October 30, 2024 • 55 mins
This week we are speaking with Dave Falch @davefalch1038 on Youtube who is a professional FLIR camera technician and has worked on similar systems that have been known to capture UFOs like the A10 Warthog footage that came out of DHS (Department of Homeland Security). He will be going through the technology of these types of camera systems and what makes them so good at detecting things that are hard to see with the human eye.
About Director Darcy Weir
Diving into the chaos of UFOTwitter like a fearless spelunker, Darcy Weir is a documentary filmmaker who over the past two decades has chosen to explore some of the most intriguing topics of discussion today, including UFOs, Cryptids, and even Bitcoin. He has completed over 15 feature-length documentaries on these topics, all of which are available on Amazon Prime and Apple. His goal is to make the world of UFOs more accessible to the general public by shedding light on the subject in new ways. Enjoy fresh conversations with him on Twitter. Join the Twitter Space to share in the conversation.
Links
Amazon: https://amzn.to/3wHv7JJ
Apple TV: https://apple.co/3TlQQ2Q
https://x.com/occultjourneys
/ instagram: darcyweirfilms
/twitter and youtube: @occultjourneys
About Andy Marcial
Andy is a researcher of 20+ yrs who was forced down the rabbit hole after very personal and life changing close encounters which started in Puerto Rico. His entire life, all he has done, is try to understand what he saw and why he went through what he went through. It changed him and showed him that there is an entire reality out there beyond human comprehension. It also drove him to reach out to others like himself because of how psychologically damaging this can be. He also recently leaked three Department of Homeland Security videos to the public, which were controversial, but officially recognized as UAP by Customs and Border Patrol in August of 2023. Andy doesn't do what he does for any other reason than to open the minds of anyone willing to listen and to show those affected by this phenomenon that they are not alone.
Links
/ instagram and twitter: @ny_uap_discussion
/ youtube: @ufocompilation
Human Ascension
If Not God then what?
Organized religion is crumbling. People are leaving in droves. What does this mean for Humanity? What should we believe? Today’s episode explores the reasons why people are turning away from the Church and introduces the concept of anti-theism. Clips of original recordings by Christopher Hitchens sourced at @aDoseofReason and @Planet_Curious on YouTube. Link to the full 2009 debate video discussed in today’s episode can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZRcYaAYWg4
About Director Darcy Weir
Diving into the chaos of UFOTwitter like a fearless spelunker, Darcy Weir is a documentary filmmaker who over the past two decades has chosen to explore some of the most intriguing topics of discussion today, including UFOs, Cryptids, and even Bitcoin. He has completed over 15 feature-length documentaries on these topics, all of which are available on Amazon Prime and Apple. His goal is to make the world of UFOs more accessible to the general public by shedding light on the subject in new ways. Enjoy fresh conversations with him on Twitter. Join the Twitter Space to share in the conversation.
Links
Amazon: https://amzn.to/3wHv7JJ
Apple TV: https://apple.co/3TlQQ2Q
https://x.com/occultjourneys
/ instagram: darcyweirfilms
/twitter and youtube: @occultjourneys
About Andy Marcial
Andy is a researcher of 20+ yrs who was forced down the rabbit hole after very personal and life changing close encounters which started in Puerto Rico. His entire life, all he has done, is try to understand what he saw and why he went through what he went through. It changed him and showed him that there is an entire reality out there beyond human comprehension. It also drove him to reach out to others like himself because of how psychologically damaging this can be. He also recently leaked three Department of Homeland Security videos to the public, which were controversial, but officially recognized as UAP by Customs and Border Patrol in August of 2023. Andy doesn't do what he does for any other reason than to open the minds of anyone willing to listen and to show those affected by this phenomenon that they are not alone.
Links
/ instagram and twitter: @ny_uap_discussion
/ youtube: @ufocompilation
Human Ascension
If Not God then what?
Organized religion is crumbling. People are leaving in droves. What does this mean for Humanity? What should we believe? Today’s episode explores the reasons why people are turning away from the Church and introduces the concept of anti-theism. Clips of original recordings by Christopher Hitchens sourced at @aDoseofReason and @Planet_Curious on YouTube. Link to the full 2009 debate video discussed in today’s episode can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZRcYaAYWg4
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Two hundred years ago, two thousand years ago. This isn't
going to work. She's picking up a massive object in
this video. Ships that might be closed.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I can sense them in my vicinity, So I guess
I'm just very tuned in.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Bulkan Head Honcho walks out ear reveal. Yeah, the crowd goes, oh,
my God. Was to protect the secrets from the Air
Force that were not out there in public. So what's up, everybody.
(00:47):
We're back with another week of Last Night on UFO Twitter.
This is the sixth episode, I think, so we're getting
through them and every week we've been having some good
conversations with the folks from UFO Twitter. This week we're
(01:11):
talking with Dave Fulch. He's a friend of mine and
Andy's Andy Marciela is up here. I think we got
to get him to Actually, I'm going to bring in
the Twitter folks in the sec but I'll give a
bit of background about Dave. Dave is actually a Fleer
(01:33):
camera repair technician, professional in that field, and one of
the things that has made him question a bunch of
this Flear footage that exhibits what we call UAPs is
because he understands how Flear camera technology works, and he understands,
(01:59):
you know what it can ventional craft or a bird
or what have you should look like. And he did
come on one of our earlier spaces to chat for
a bit, but I figured we could you know, well,
Andy had the idea that we could have a space
(02:19):
specifically to debut a bunch of Dave's information how he
got into this, how he presents his flear analysis, and yeah,
I'm just excited to get really in the weeds on
(02:39):
this stuff. So I just waiting for and we do
have Pastor Dale. Usually Pastor Dale opens up the show
for us. So why don't we bring in the Twitter folks?
Here they are? Dale? Are you there is anybody? I'm here? Cool?
(03:06):
All right? Dale? Why don't you start off the show
as we always do, just with a bit of a message,
some kind of positivity to get us through the uh
these next election days and all the chaos that seems
to be surrounding us in the world today.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Well, thank you, Darcy.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I want to give Darcy a shout out before I
do my little message. You know, I've asked several people
to help me out and get an intro to my podcast,
and I asked Darcy and Darcy's was the only one
of all the people I asked. Maybe they got too busy.
I'm not mad at them, you know, or just simply forgot.
But you know, I'm gonna give a shout out to Darcy.
(03:53):
Darcy not only said he would do it, but he
did it, And so Darcy, I want to thank you
for that.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
You know, when you read the words I thank God
for you in a text, you know you've made a
difference in someone else's life. Those words were sent to
me on Sunday. In it together, that's what we are.
In it together. We're in this life together. The only
way we succeed is if we are in it together.
(04:23):
Last Friday, I stopped by a friend's house. I'd forgotten
something and was picking it up when my friend opened
the door. I could see panic in his eyes. Then
he went on to explain why. He said his banking
information had been hacked from his computer and the hackers
had stolen fifty seven thousand dollars from his account. My
(04:44):
friend told me his wife was on the phone with
their bank's fraud department, But the more he talked, the
more suspicious I became. He was told it was a
team of Russian hackers who had already hit six other accounts.
He was told it was an inside job and they
were closing in on the employee in the bank, and
he was not to contact his bank directly or it
(05:07):
might tip the employee off. He was told their phones
might be bugged, so they shouldn't use them, and finally
he was told how to stop the fraudulent transaction from
going through. All he needed to do was to go
to his bank and get a cashier's check and buy
fifty seven thousand dollars worth of bitcoin, which would cancel
out the first transaction and thus stop the hackers from
(05:30):
ripping him off. I told my friend it sounded like
a scam. I asked him if he had gone to
his bank, and he said yes. But later I'd learned
that it was just to find out if he could
get a cashier's check to buy bitcoin with. He wouldn't
listen to me, and I had to pick up my lunch,
so reluctantly I left. I went back to my office
(05:51):
and tried to eat my lunch, but alarm bells kept
going off in my head, so I grabbed my car
and went back over to my friend's house, determined to
make him and his wife see what was going on,
even if it cost me a friendship. Why because we
are in it together. We're in this life together. That
means that we have to look out for each other.
(06:14):
When I got there, I sat them down and laid
everything out. I told them that they weren't thinking straight
because they were put in a panic when they were
told that someone stole fifty seven thousand dollars from their account.
I told them that hackers tried to isolate them by
telling them to not use their phone or to talk
to the bank. I told him no bank would tell
(06:35):
them to pull out their life savings and buy bitcoin
to stop hackers. Finally I had their attention. I told
him to go to their bank immediately and have their
passwords change and tell the bank what was going on.
Once they got to the bank, everything I said was confirmed.
The bank told them that they had already heard of
(06:56):
the scam. It seems others were not as as they were.
You know, I told you this story for two reasons. First,
to warn you about scams like these. Never trust a
phone number you're given online in regard to fraud prevention,
call your bank or google the number.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Never assume these people are who they claim to be.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
My friend did that and it almost cost him fifty
seven thousand dollars. You know, the other reason I told
you the story is to remind you we are in
it together. Or as Darcy said to me recently, we
have to look out for each other, and we do.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
That reminds me of the old movie Boys Town. In
the movie, Father flanagain asked Reuben Granger, one of the
older boys, if carrying Howard was hard. The reason Ruben
was carrying Howard was because Howard had polio. Ruben replied
by saying, he ain't heavy, Father, He's my brother. Just remember,
(07:59):
when it comes to life, we are in it together.
That means we need to look out for each other.
Like Rubin looked out for Howard, and like I looked
out for my friend and his wife. Let me say
it again, we are in it together.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
We are in this life together, live together, die alone,
as they say, and he ain't heavy, he's my brother.
I love that line. Look, I mean, we do have
to look out for each other, and not everybody that
(08:36):
you meet is going to be your people. You know,
an old friend said to me oh, well, that person's
not my people. And it kind of resonated with me
a long time ago, because you're not going to get
along with everybody. Not everybody's going to like you or
(08:57):
love you. But when you find some Boddy that you
can call a friend that likes you, or you know,
you could almost call family chosen family that loves you,
you know you should try to look out for them.
And I feel like that goes both ways. Usually you
(09:20):
try to surround yourself with people that look out for you. Right,
So thanks for those words man, that that was really
impactful and cool, and it's great that you did that
for your your friend and saved his family a whole
lot of hardship and loss of financial savings. Like that's
(09:46):
The scams that are going on right now are just
outrageous in terms of crypto too. You know, I'm involved
in crypto and I believe in it, and I think
on fortunately, the FIAT money system that we all use
is kind of like on the way out. It's over leveraged,
(10:10):
there's a lot of debt and stuff behind it, and
it's not looking too good for the different types of
dollars coming out of world economies. But crypto is kind
of like this new start, this fresh start in terms
(10:32):
of like storing value and accountability, but unfortunately it's also
the wild West, and you get these really savvy scammers
that don't want to work an honest day job. They
rather go around tricking vulnerable people like the elderly, who
(10:55):
don't quite understand this technology, don't quite understand social engineering
techniques or tactics, and they pray on people. They basically
get them to relinquish their hard earned money to them.
(11:16):
So it's scary. It's a scary world we're living in.
But you know, there's some hope, and there's some cool
things that people like Pastor Dale do to protect others.
And I think we all should look out for each
other when we know some like really whax stuff might
be happening behind the scenes. But look, let's talk to
(11:43):
Dave fault Cheer. Dave, thanks so much for coming and
joining the space today and being kind of the center
point for the subject here, the science behind Flear camera video.
Can you tell us like how you got into becoming
(12:07):
like a professional Flear camera repair technician?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Hey, Darthy, thanks for having me. Sure did you hear me?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Okay, yeah, you sound like you're a little bit far
away from the.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Mic, But yeah, all right, is this better?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
That's better?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
All right. It's actually kind of a strange story.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
It starts off with, you know, me growing up in
Saint Louis, going through high school, not really finding my
way going to college, getting an English degree because that
was what I was good.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
At in high school, was English.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
So I just kind of picked that for a degree,
not really having any kind of destination with it.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
So I was.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Doing restaurant work and I was bartending, doing that kind
of thing, and then I just kind of up and
joined the Navy. So in doing that, I learned a
lot of electronics, aviation electronics, i should say, and just
I just had a good talent with that. It was
(13:16):
a good association for my skills. So I started getting
involved in that kind of field, which was nothing what
I was doing before. It was a completely different field,
but it was something I was good at. So I
started doing that and then moved down to Florida to
be with my wife. Essentially, you know, we were just
(13:37):
friends at the time, kind of a love story thing
going on there, but we.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Followed your heart, that's what you gave.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Yeah, I just picked up everything out of Saint Louis
and I left and I started working on phones electronics,
you know, with with phones when they were foot phones,
and then started or like it was kind of like
refurbishing them, and it wasn't. It was a brief gig.
(14:09):
And then I started doing work in like a cubicle farm, uh,
for a government contractor that worked for the Navy. They
did publications. I was very boring. So then I found
a job doing aviation electronics like I was doing in
the Navy. And every day I was still bored with
this job, I would look for another job and I
(14:31):
stumbled upon Flear and I I was like, I remember
Fleer from the Navy.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I didn't do too much with it.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I just talked to some guys in the shop and
had a vague sense of what it was.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
But I applied for the job and went for the
interview and they hired me and the rest is history.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So you your education was nothing related to fixing electronics,
am I right?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Yes, with the exception of the education that the Navy
gave me.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Okay, Like, what were you doing in the Navy. You
were just getting your hands on that sort of like
getting on ships and fixing their electronics on those or something.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Well, when you join the Navy, you can either be undesignated,
meaning you don't have a rate, or you can select
a rate depending.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
On how well you do on an ASVAB test. So
you take this test before you go.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
In, and you get a score and they say, well,
you scored well enough to do these different job functions,
but not well enough to do thets. They pretty much
said I could do any job function and they're kind
of pushing me to do a nuclear kind.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Of thing, but I didn't want to do that.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
I didn't want to be in a submarine, so I said, yeah,
that sounds great, but I want to be like electronics.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I just thought it would be a cool thing to do.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
And so after you go through boot camp, then they
train you in an A school, so it gives you
it's like a general electronics training. And then after the
A school you go to a C school in which
they give you a specific training for you know, whatever
aviation electronics platform you're working on, Like I was a
(16:25):
mad Tech which is magnetic anomaly detector.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
So then you do cross training. When you get into
the Navy.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Actually you're at your duty station and you're working on
the gear. That's when they do cross training and teach
you other platforms to get you more versatile.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
So what does a mag tech do, Like, what would
be a magnetic detection that you'd be looking out for
and what could cause that?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
So that's actually an anti submarine warfare. What it does is,
if you've ever seen a P three, there's a magnetic book.
There's a boom that sticks out the back of a
P three or now they're P eights, but anyway, it
detects deviations in the Earth's magnetic field and what you're
(17:19):
looking at is for submarines. So we pretty much have
the Earth's magnetic field mapped, so to say, and then
when you see a deviation, it'll record themike, well, it's
a chart recorder. So anyway, it's a type of avionics
that will show you the deviation. You're like, oh, okay,
(17:39):
there's a submarine right here, and you're flying over so
you're kind of doing a pattern over a certain area
to see if you're detecting a submarine. So that's that's
pretty much the essence of that. And you can do
that also with helicopters in which you lower down a
mad boom out of the helicopter via a inch and
(18:01):
you know, a cable and there's different variations of it,
but you're detecting Uh well yeah, just pretty much submarines.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Interesting, very cool. I guess you know you got the
job because A you're a smart guy. Anybody can tell
that by the way that you go about analyzing your
Fleer videos and just you know, describing technology that you've
worked with. And B because you've got good experience working
(18:35):
with electronics. So tell us a bit about the Flear
camera technology that you've been repairing. And before we start
talking about like the UAP videos that you've done analysis
of that are shot in Flear tech, Flear camera tech,
(18:56):
can you tell us like what they are, like what Lear,
how it was invented? If you know that, and I
guess what are some novel features of the technology.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Two, let's go back to the basics.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I guess to answer your latter question is that a
lot of people are confused on what is infrared and
what was near in fred, what's night vision and that
kind of stuff, because all of this terminology kind of
gets overlapped and jumbled up. So if you look at
the electromagnetic spectrum. They actually feel the vision like if.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
You're looking at the vision as we see.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yes, from queen blue to purple.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Right, yeah, it's like ultra violet to red.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
It's like from point four microns too point seven microns.
And they when you start to get into the near
infrared or the low light some people call it, it's
kind of what your cameras will see that are mounted
outside for security cameras, they amplify with those little LEDs
(20:16):
that are.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Around the camera.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
They amplify the light and they see this spectrum to
like zero point seventy five to like maybe one point
something one point five. And then you get into SWEAR,
which is shortwave infrared. That's also kind of an extension
of the visible not invisible range. It's not quite frmal yet.
(20:40):
It's you're still using daylight camera, electric electronics and optics.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Okay, so door your doorbell camera or your basic like
Nest cam that you've got mounted somewhere in your house.
When when low light environments trigger that camera, it's it's
usually just recording in short infrared. Is that like more
(21:14):
accurate description? Like it's not full on flear, but it's
like amplifying the light that's already there.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Yes, but I wouldn't use short wave because short wave
isn't really used that much. Let's kind of stick to
near infrared.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
That's a good Yeah, okay, near infrared. I thought, I,
you know, short near. I should have said near.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
My bad, it's confusing.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
So so, yeah, didn't you get into After the short wave?
You get into the midwave and long wave, which are
what you would call like a thermal imaging device. So
that is when there's typically cryogenically cooled infrared detector. It's
(22:00):
a do or electronics module. It's going to be a
different type of camera than what's typically used on a
civilian basis. It's pretty much on military and three letter
agency kind of apparatus. So I mean, I'm sure they're
(22:21):
available out there for civilian use, but they're they tend
to be very expensive and you don't see a lot
of people using them except for maybe on high end boats.
You might see one, like I did see one on
a Carnival cruise. They had a couple of them, but
they were just kind of the lower range ones.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
And they're using that what to spot things in the
water that might damage the cruise ship or something.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Yeah, you know, to see other ships or to see
the ports coming up, or you know, situational awareness that
kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, it's just you know, stronger observs
with a better with a light spectrum camera that we
can't even see in It's it's better awareness of your surroundings.
So let's skip forward a bit. You're working on camera
systems that come off of things like a CBP plane
(23:19):
like Customs and Border Patrol plane, or you know.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
A.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Coastguard boat or you know something from DHS. How much
of those systems costs, Like if if you are one
of these agencies that needed to order a new.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
One, typically I've seen them run.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
I'm just given a rough estimate is like about a
million dollars and the associated cables or I don't know,
twenty to thirty thousand dollars. And then you have training
that goes.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Along with it.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
You'll have to fly to the service center the manufacturer
and you know, get trained on that specific equipment.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
To become a FLEAR camera operator.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Correct, I mean not all of us, it's just the
people that work on the equipment because then we can
train people.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
They give out manuals.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
To teach people how to do the actual operating operation
of the system. But yeah, if you're doing the in
depth it gets pretty technical.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
But if you do the in.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Depth repairs, then they need to have an authorized you know,
service center. You need to have some kind of verification
that you know how to work on the equipment.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Interesting, So that's a lot of money. I was thinking
like a Flear camera might be I don't know, twenty
thirty k or something, but a million only reiche that's well.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
It depends on the Flear system in question. I mean,
if you're looking at a long range standoff, like something
used for surveillance that you can't even see the aircraft
up in the sky, then that's when we're talking the
high money. But if you're looking for something like you're
just gonna mount on a helicopter that you might see
on an episode of Cops, then that might be twenty
(25:23):
or thirty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
So what you won't Yeah, what you go.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
On what about the what about the flea camera on
the on the on the buboscope trucks that the that
we're captured by, well you know that captured the objects.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Those are the high end ones, but they're mounted on
the telescoping poles. So those are still gonna be like
the aircraft mounted ones, but they're just used in a
different platform, in a different operation.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
And so you think that might be a west Cam
system an MX fifteen.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
I would say it's either A fifteen I or twenty
in regards to the jellyfish video. But I know for
sure that the Labruja, rubber Duck and the A ten
were Fleer systems, most likely a three ADHD by Westcamp
No no no by Flear system is now called Teledyne
(26:26):
oh Teldyne.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Okay, they're actually the guys that invented the Fleer system, or.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
They're the leaders as far as I'm concerned, and the technology.
I don't know the whole backstory, so I can't really
say for sure, but.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
That's kind of the assumption that I get.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Interesting. Just back to something you were saying earlier. You know,
people throw around infrared, they say vision camera or flear.
So when we're looking at a object in a Gen
(27:11):
four night vision camera, what light spectrum is that actually
amplifying everything in?
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Are you talking about like a night vision kind of thing?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, like the green and the green and black and
white little monoculars you usually can get. I think they
say that Gen four is around like a four thousand
or six thousand dollars system these days.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Yeah, yeah, and so those I think are probably going
to be like you could either call them near infrared
or night scope or yeah, you're.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Low light because.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
I have one of those that my dad gave me
and I kind of tried it out, and it's actually
to mount on a rifle, and I checked it out,
and yeah, it's you're just amplifying the ambient light of
the area, So you're not it's not actually thermally, it's
not a thermal imager.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Right, And so when we get into the systems you're
talking about the systems that you repair professionally, those systems
that are like a million bucks or you know, hundreds
of thousands of dollars, they're actually thermal detectors. Like they're
(28:32):
they're in a totally different ballpark.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Yes, they use different type of optics as far as
like you know, windows and mirrors and magnification lenses.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
That kind of thing is completely different optics that you
would see on a daylight.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
So, Dave, I got a quick question, Yeah, go for
the jump. What do you look? I'm sorry jump in anytime. Sorry,
because my Twitter is like glitching out and I can't
even see whose hands are up or whatever. So all right,
it's just a quick question.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
I just want to say.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
So, when when you when you use when you.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Do these videos, right, what is it that you look
for to to basically.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Determine whether something is odd where something is not conventional?
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Well, the first thing I look for is to try
to determine what kind of detector we're looking at. You know,
are we looking at what we don't discussed earlier with
near infrared? Are we're looking at an actual government system?
Is there symbology? Has it airborne? Is it mounted on
(29:47):
a pole? As it mounted on somebody's house?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
You know, what are we looking at? So that's the
first thing I looked for, And second I kind of
looked for just things that just stand out.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
It's kind of hard to explain, but if you work
these systems a lot, you just notice certain things they
just stand out, like like the linear travel of an
aircraft or the erratic movement of a bird. It's just
it's kind of all encompassing, just based kind of on experience,
(30:24):
but not all.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Does that make any sense?
Speaker 6 (30:28):
Yes, Well, use use for example, that the object that
you've captured that you were only able to see under
if you're read, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
At work, right, Yeah, that one was.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
I didn't even really I wasn't the person that actually
saw it to begin with.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
It was a co worker and he was He had.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
A like a west cam I think it was in
X fifteen. He had a pointed outside and he said, yeah,
you need to come take a look at this ship
because it's it's really strange.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
He has this deep voice. He's like, Oh, it's really strange.
You gonna come out here look at this. So I
came out and looked him, and I was like, I
don't get it. It's not moving.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
He's like, yeah, that's that's the point, because you know,
when you're looking at an aircraft, you'll see like the uh,
twinkling of the glare off the back of the jet engine,
or you'll see it kind of moving in one direction
left or right. You rarely see it just sitting in
one spot, you know, slowly fading out.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
So that's why I was like, I don't I don't
get that. What is that? And he's like, I don't know.
I tried to hit it with the LRF, the laser
range finder, and it didn't do anything. So he gave me.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
The hand controller and I looked at it in the
two different daylight cameras and there was nothing to be
seen there when it would just definitely in the range the.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Visible range of those two cameras.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
So that's why I said, I don't I'm not getting this.
It's not this isn't anything seen before. And so that's
what kind of piqued my interest in the whole thing
was it was just fascinating to me that this thing
just sat there for fifteen minutes in the sky, didn't move,
didn't change its thermal image at all or thermal signature, and.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
It was the weirdest thing I've ever seen. So basically
you're saying it was invisible.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Yeah, to daylight cameras. You could see it with a
thermal imager, but you could not see it with the
daylight cameras.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
And it was kind of geosynchronously locked, right.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yes, yes, because you'll see I mean, even if you're
looking at the Moon, you just put it like on
the inertial point. You'll just put your system on the
moon and you'll see the moon slowly move as things
move in the universe, you'll see this big object moving
very slowly across the sky and you're like, okay, everything's
(33:01):
pretty normal. You never see anything just sit in the
sky for ten to fifteen minutes doing nothing. It's just
unless it's like a drone. But this was far too
big to be a drone or a blamp. I just
recently got a Fleer video with a blamp I put
on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
It wasn't anything like a blump. It was it was
just the most unnatural theorie thing I've seen.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah, that is really cool. I want people to definitely
head over to your YouTube. So if people want to
follow his research and what he's been doing as a
analyst of Fleer video publicly, his sign or his channel
(33:46):
idea is at Dave Dave Fault falcch ten thirty eight
and it's pretty cool. I was actually on it taking
look at a video you put up a month ago,
but the Chilean UAP Fleer video. This is for people
(34:10):
who don't know this video. It looks like this, you know,
pill shaped object or almost like a donut in this guy.
You know, we're going to talk about food to describe UFOs.
Since Dave Fraber went public in twenty seventeen, I guess,
and it almost looks like this object is sitting geosynchrodously locked,
(34:36):
but then it's drawing out kind of these vapor trails
or these like clouds in the sky behind it. And
believe it or not, this is actually something people have
reported before that UFOs can be seen sometimes almost creating
their own fog cover, their own like cloud And what
(35:02):
better place to stay hidden kind of right above our
heads if you've got the ability to create cloud cover.
But what do you think of that video, Dave? I
was checking it out. You were talking about the way
the camera operator was working, that the cameras seemed to
(35:27):
be in slave mode, which means the two different lenses
on the camera, are you know if one zooms in,
the other one zooms in by default at the same rate.
We're talking about the Fleer spectrum camera and the non
flear spectrum camera. Can I let you take it over
(35:48):
from there?
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
I think what I was speculating was they were kind
of moving in and out with the infrared camera and
the EO camera wasn't slave to the infrared camera, meaning
when you zoom into like let's say two times or
four times magnification for the infrared camera. It's telling the
(36:15):
EO or the daylight camera to catch up, saying, hey,
you also need to be at this particular focal range
or your zoom range in focal range. So it's saying, hey,
you need to be at the same point. So we're
seeing the same object at the same magnification. And that's
one of the characteristics of fleers, and that's what they do.
(36:37):
But it didn't seem like they.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Had that.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Selected.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
So I was kind of thinking, you know, I'm thinking,
in prosaic explanations, what would make that big vapor trail
because it kind of does look like a plane. I'm
not gonna lie. It does look like a plane from
and this is an older system. It looks like maybe
a Star two or Star three.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
It looks like.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
They were just kind of having how I forgot what
was It has something to do with the engine where
the engine kind of bursts. I forget the terminology for that.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
But like a like one of their wing turbines is
basically like dying.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Not dying, but it has like a stutter. It's I
forgot the name of this.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Is what year was that video? Captured.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Do you know, I don't remember offhand. I just have
gone through so many videos it's hard to retain the specifics.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
But it just it kind of looked to me like
it was just kind of like a backfire of the
jet engine, and you know, maybe a couple of them.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
And that was my supposed hypothesis. But then the only.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Kind of pseudo explanation to it all was from our
old buddy, you know, mech And he was saying that
he found a particular aircraft that matched the flight path
and the destination and whatnot, but it was ninety miles
away or one hundred miles away at some point. And
(38:22):
I said, that's an impossibility, because the fleers don't have
that range. It's like trying to use a camcorder to see,
you know, a couple miles away down the street. It's
just it's not plausible or possible. It's I was telling
him this, but he's sticking to his theory. So I said, well,
(38:46):
all right, you know, I agree with you that it
does look like an aircraft, but you got the wrong
aircraft if it is. That so it's kind of an
unknown to me right now, okay.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
And you know, since we're discussing Mick Mick West, you
did originally start working with him when you were looking
at UAP videos in the public, Am I right? Can
you kind of discuss a bit of your background with
Mick West?
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Yeah, you know, because I don't have anything really bad
to say about him except for his methodology.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
It's just we started.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
He wanted me to do some experiments with the Fleer
cameras and you know, in my shop, which I did
a few, and some people reached out to me, like
some people from the SCU or some other random people
I knew from social media, and they said, you might
want to watch out for this guy. He's kind of
got an agenda. And I said, well, I'll determine that
(39:47):
as as it comes at me, which was kind of
stupid in retrospect, but yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Know, he he was.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
We kind of lost communication when he was telling I
didn't really know what I was talking about in regards
to Flear and I said, well, you know, I've been
working on these at that time, it might have been
twelve thirteen years.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Now it's about nineteen years. But said, well, if that's.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
How you view me, then there's really no point in
carrying on this type of communication, and I'm sure it
was not as pleasant as I just described. There was
probably some unpleasantries exchanged, but not anything so much to wheres.
You know, I don't block him because I still kind
of want to see what he says, but I don't
(40:36):
really hold him in any regard.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah, that's fine. You know, we all know he's a
debunker in the field of ufology. That's where he that's
his lane's let's see. You know, he found a stick
and he's sticking to it. That's fine. You know, there's
people that find it different lane and do their thing too,
(41:02):
And we do need people to debunk bad UFO videos
or fake fake news, you know, so there is a
time and place for all of that. And uh, you know,
let's go back to your some of your analysis. I
(41:23):
don't know if you caught this, but have you been
watching Sarah gam Uh. She was actually working on the
u u AP Task Force and you know, which is
where David Grush was working. And she's come out publicly recently.
She was on my friend Matt Ford's show and she
(41:47):
spoke there. She was on the my other friend Andy
mcgrillan's Uh you u a p podcast. What do you
think of Sarah And did you catch some of her
comments on the Jellyfish UAP video, and that from what
(42:10):
I gathered, she was saying that this video was leaked, right,
meaning somebody had seen it that was getting exposed to
this UAP footage from withinside intelligence defense community. They leaked it.
It was an unauthorized leak, but they knew what that
(42:35):
video was, is what she insinuated, and it was not
like a real UAP.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
I do vaguely kind of remember that I've seen the
video you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
It was rather vague for any kind of assessment.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
But you know, I did a video of that, of
course on my YouTube video to which my big debunking
of the debunk was a lot of people thought it
was just a conglomeration of like balloons like Latex and
mil Are balloons. And so I'm kind of like a scientific,
(43:18):
scientific method type of person where I like to compare, Okay,
let's see what it actually looks like with the equipment.
So and that's what I did with it, you know,
flears and also thermographers and that kind of thing. So
I don't know if she if she has an idea
of what that could be.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Then that's pretty interesting. I have no idea what it
could be.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
It just it doesn't look like anything that's condition conventionally flown,
you know, like a drone or something like that.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
I don't see any propulsion.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
I don't see anything other than the wind kind of
taking it.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
It doesn't look like anything. It's very anomaloust I don't
get it.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, wasn't it also changing like temperature?
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yeah, that kind of thing was. It was changing with
the scene as it was going along.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
It was like an auto gain level that was going on,
and it was kind of changing with that, which would
be typical of I don't know, maybe a certain type
of balloon. But it was just I don't understand the
ten rolls, and I don't understand why it didn't have
the reflectibility that the mylar balloons have or the almost
(44:32):
invisibility that a latex balloon would have.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
It didn't seem.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
Like it matched the description or I don't know. That's
why I could only hypothesize it was some kind of
darper project that.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Maybe they have going on that I don't know about.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, and I remember you did mention that in your
analysis that it could even be some kind of like
DARPA tech that you know, the public doesn't know about
because it's for defense purposes and you don't want your
enemies to know about that, right. But just interesting that
she has made a point to comments on that. I've
(45:09):
spoken her. She's very nice. I don't she doesn't seem
to be disingenuous about that at all. And I think
she does think that there are credible UAP videos out there.
Just maybe this one was not, which she considered to be,
you know, something anomalous.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
But that's a possibility. I'm willing to accept that.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah, let's talk about FLEAR. Let's talk about the TIC TAC.
Can we talk about that and and some of the
things that Mick West has thrown at that, and how
you would debunk the debunk.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
So what kind of said?
Speaker 1 (46:00):
First of all, it's start off with the type of
camera if you could maybe you know how much how
much is it worth? Uh? What kind of technology is
that camera capable of or what kind of abilities does
that camera have in terms of FLEAR tech.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
Okay, so I can give you a generality of that
type of It would be a GNAT FLEAR Advanced Targeting FLEAR.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
So you would have that like mounted underneath.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
The wing of an F eighteen or some kind of
fighter plane, and it's going to have a different type
of rotation as a surveillance flear So instead of having
an asthmith left right and an elevation up down, it's
going to have more of like a roll to it
as the aircraft rules, and then it's going to have
an up down, So it's going to be a little
(46:52):
bit different and its capabilities.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
It's kind of a it's got its like a built
in gimbal you're kind of saying to steady cam the
footage as the plane roles and stuff.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
Yeah, it's going to have it's going to have that. Typically,
there's gyroscopes that assist in like a feedback system that
will assist the pod to you know, if you want
to maintain a horizon or something like that, you can
flip a switch and it's going to maintain a horizon.
Meaning if you turn like to the left, it's still
(47:27):
going to it'll compensate for that and it'll look at
a horizon. So there is that kind of stuff, But
as far as the TIC TAC, I'm limited on what
I can say on that. He might want to refer
to like Chris Laedo, who you know, the fighter pilot's he's.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
Good at doing the analysis on that.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
When we're talking about stuff like go Fast or especially
the gimbal, I can make more comments on that because
the the movements and what I see in those latter
two videos are stuff that I've never seen. And I
told Chris when I was talking to him, I was like,
when I first saw the gimbal.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
The object move and the rotation, I gasped. I actually was.
I was like, what the high hell is it? Because
being at the narrow field of view.
Speaker 4 (48:20):
And it's it was so unnatural. It was like what
I seen out back with my own system.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
It was.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
In fact, I think that's probably one of my favorites
besides Le Bruja, but so fascinating.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
So tell me, like, why the motion of that object
was so odd?
Speaker 4 (48:43):
Well, this is the long running argument between Mick and I.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
Did I since have just kind of given up on
but it's been going on for years that he is.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
Saying it's a flaring of the engine that's kind of
blooming and masking the actual.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Shape of the craft.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
Yeah, the shape of the aircraft itself. So I'm saying
that's not how the nearer infrared or the I'm sorry,
the narrow field of view works. You can still see
the shape of the craft maybe at like the wide
field of view or maybe the medium view, but when
you're zoomed in, you are past that optics. It's like
if you were looking at the moon and you put
(49:27):
in a two times magnification and then at four times
and at eight times magnification, there's differences in what you're
going to see. You're kind of looking past a certain
focal length and looking past the atmosphere and you're zooming in.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
On it again. It kind of comes down to experience.
Speaker 4 (49:47):
And I'm not an optical you know, expert in this,
but I'm just kind of relying this on experience. Is
no when I see these things all the time coming
out of nas jacks, I watch jets go, come and
go every day for you know, however long, for years,
I see.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
This that I'm like, that doesn't match up.
Speaker 5 (50:09):
Even when I see airborne videos where they're following different
aircrafts and they're zooming in, it doesn't match up.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
As far as the thermal signature.
Speaker 4 (50:18):
And when this thing rotates to the left and has
this kind of erratic movement, like it's banking to the left,
but it doesn't bank to the left. It stays in
the same position, but it looks like it's banking to
the left.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
It almost like strapes to the left.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
Like just yeah, I'm like, well, it should when it
does that, it should change not only thermal signature. You
would be able to see the jet at that point
because it's going to sharply bank to the left, and
the exhaust is going to move from your seeing it
from behind to seeing it from the side, and you're
(50:54):
seeing now the aircraft and the side.
Speaker 3 (50:57):
You know, jet.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Exhaust would shoot to the right.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
Yeah, and you don't see any of that. It doesn't
change at all. I'm like that that doesn't make sense.
It doesn't comprehend. So, yeah, I don't have any answers.
I don't say it's aliens. I don't say I don't know.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
It just doesn't seem to be like a conventional craft,
is what you're saying. It shouldn't be like another Faten
or something exactly. Okay. Interesting. I sat down with Seth
Showstack to talk about I think the the tiktak and
(51:39):
the gimbal and he was like kind of basically he
was basically debunking it by saying, Oh, it's so easy
to make a little peanut artifact show up in smear
camera tech these days. And I was like, excuse me,
Like how does that work? And I wanted to talk
to Merek about that. I hope one day I can.
(52:01):
He's a he's got a wealth of information on the
systems that were used and uh, you know, the radar
information and all that stuff regarding the tiktac And I
know he's had an open debate with Mick West on
his channel, so that was pretty cool. But I'd like
to to sort of get his comments on other people
(52:24):
that have tried to debunk from and why you know
those debunks just don't work.
Speaker 6 (52:30):
Yeah, for sure, Dave, I got a quick question, what's
your what's your take on on.
Speaker 3 (52:37):
Them now saying that?
Speaker 6 (52:39):
Or actually Dushi, who's the who's that individual that we
were told supposed to was coming out with some kind
of debunking of calling it a pelican.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
He's not gonna calling it a bird. They didn't even
say they didn't even say it was like a pelican.
You know, I would hope that if they're going to
call it a bird. They got to tell us the species,
what what flight like, angle, it was ad and all
this stuff. But from what I know, uh, they just
(53:11):
say a bird, very generic in their description of the
Ugwada footage. And it's two individuals. One of them was
the former director Kirkpatrick of Kirkpatrick. Yeah, but the other
one is like a physicist that works for university that
(53:35):
was part of the the NASA UAP panel debunk So yeah,
look out for that. That'll be many months from now.
But once that comes out then I can talk a
bit a bit more about it.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
So do you agree with that they've.
Speaker 4 (53:55):
Now what you're talking about?
Speaker 6 (53:58):
No?
Speaker 3 (53:59):
No, the oh the ugly idea.
Speaker 5 (54:02):
See, the most plausible explanation would be the mylar balloon,
but because of the emissivity and the reflectibility, it didn't
seem to me like it was, especially when it hit
the water and turned it into two different things.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
I mean, come on, So I'm.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
Going to be honest when people, let's say you have
this high title of you know, professor of this or
director of that, if you don't actually work on Fleer cameras,
I don't care about your title because.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
Yeah, yeah, you don't know. It's like working on a Jaguar.
Speaker 4 (54:41):
You know, you could say, well, I'm you know, I
have a professor of this, and that if you don't
actually work on the equipment, you don't really know what
you're doing.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
Yeah, you can say the specificity about these systems.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
I hate to cut you off, but I have to
punch out here from kg R real quick. I'm just
gonna say everybody, thanks for tuning in. Head over to
Twitter spaces. You can jump into the Twitter space and
interact speak with us. We're going to continue to go
for a little bit longer, but yeah, KGRA signing off.
(55:17):
Thanks again for another episode. Go follow Dave on YouTube
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Andy n y UAP Discussion and Observer of Anomalous Objects
Pastor Dale. We're going to get some more questions and
(55:39):
stuff for you right after we punch out here, but
I'm going to say goodbye and end the stream with
KGr
Two hundred years ago, two thousand years ago. This isn't
going to work. She's picking up a massive object in
this video. Ships that might be closed.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I can sense them in my vicinity, So I guess
I'm just very tuned in.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Bulkan Head Honcho walks out ear reveal. Yeah, the crowd goes, oh,
my God. Was to protect the secrets from the Air
Force that were not out there in public. So what's up, everybody.
(00:47):
We're back with another week of Last Night on UFO Twitter.
This is the sixth episode, I think, so we're getting
through them and every week we've been having some good
conversations with the folks from UFO Twitter. This week we're
(01:11):
talking with Dave Fulch. He's a friend of mine and
Andy's Andy Marciela is up here. I think we got
to get him to Actually, I'm going to bring in
the Twitter folks in the sec but I'll give a
bit of background about Dave. Dave is actually a Fleer
(01:33):
camera repair technician, professional in that field, and one of
the things that has made him question a bunch of
this Flear footage that exhibits what we call UAPs is
because he understands how Flear camera technology works, and he understands,
(01:59):
you know what it can ventional craft or a bird
or what have you should look like. And he did
come on one of our earlier spaces to chat for
a bit, but I figured we could you know, well,
Andy had the idea that we could have a space
(02:19):
specifically to debut a bunch of Dave's information how he
got into this, how he presents his flear analysis, and yeah,
I'm just excited to get really in the weeds on
(02:39):
this stuff. So I just waiting for and we do
have Pastor Dale. Usually Pastor Dale opens up the show
for us. So why don't we bring in the Twitter folks?
Here they are? Dale? Are you there is anybody? I'm here? Cool?
(03:06):
All right? Dale? Why don't you start off the show
as we always do, just with a bit of a message,
some kind of positivity to get us through the uh
these next election days and all the chaos that seems
to be surrounding us in the world today.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Well, thank you, Darcy.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I want to give Darcy a shout out before I
do my little message. You know, I've asked several people
to help me out and get an intro to my podcast,
and I asked Darcy and Darcy's was the only one
of all the people I asked. Maybe they got too busy.
I'm not mad at them, you know, or just simply forgot.
But you know, I'm gonna give a shout out to Darcy.
(03:53):
Darcy not only said he would do it, but he
did it, And so Darcy, I want to thank you
for that.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
You know, when you read the words I thank God
for you in a text, you know you've made a
difference in someone else's life. Those words were sent to
me on Sunday. In it together, that's what we are.
In it together. We're in this life together. The only
way we succeed is if we are in it together.
(04:23):
Last Friday, I stopped by a friend's house. I'd forgotten
something and was picking it up when my friend opened
the door. I could see panic in his eyes. Then
he went on to explain why. He said his banking
information had been hacked from his computer and the hackers
had stolen fifty seven thousand dollars from his account. My
(04:44):
friend told me his wife was on the phone with
their bank's fraud department, But the more he talked, the
more suspicious I became. He was told it was a
team of Russian hackers who had already hit six other accounts.
He was told it was an inside job and they
were closing in on the employee in the bank, and
he was not to contact his bank directly or it
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might tip the employee off. He was told their phones
might be bugged, so they shouldn't use them, and finally
he was told how to stop the fraudulent transaction from
going through. All he needed to do was to go
to his bank and get a cashier's check and buy
fifty seven thousand dollars worth of bitcoin, which would cancel
out the first transaction and thus stop the hackers from
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ripping him off. I told my friend it sounded like
a scam. I asked him if he had gone to
his bank, and he said yes. But later I'd learned
that it was just to find out if he could
get a cashier's check to buy bitcoin with. He wouldn't
listen to me, and I had to pick up my lunch,
so reluctantly I left. I went back to my office
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and tried to eat my lunch, but alarm bells kept
going off in my head, so I grabbed my car
and went back over to my friend's house, determined to
make him and his wife see what was going on,
even if it cost me a friendship. Why because we
are in it together. We're in this life together. That
means that we have to look out for each other.
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When I got there, I sat them down and laid
everything out. I told them that they weren't thinking straight
because they were put in a panic when they were
told that someone stole fifty seven thousand dollars from their account.
I told them that hackers tried to isolate them by
telling them to not use their phone or to talk
to the bank. I told him no bank would tell
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them to pull out their life savings and buy bitcoin
to stop hackers. Finally I had their attention. I told
him to go to their bank immediately and have their
passwords change and tell the bank what was going on.
Once they got to the bank, everything I said was confirmed.
The bank told them that they had already heard of
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the scam. It seems others were not as as they were.
You know, I told you this story for two reasons. First,
to warn you about scams like these. Never trust a
phone number you're given online in regard to fraud prevention,
call your bank or google the number.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Never assume these people are who they claim to be.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
My friend did that and it almost cost him fifty
seven thousand dollars. You know, the other reason I told
you the story is to remind you we are in
it together. Or as Darcy said to me recently, we
have to look out for each other, and we do.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
That reminds me of the old movie Boys Town. In
the movie, Father flanagain asked Reuben Granger, one of the
older boys, if carrying Howard was hard. The reason Ruben
was carrying Howard was because Howard had polio. Ruben replied
by saying, he ain't heavy, Father, He's my brother. Just remember,
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when it comes to life, we are in it together.
That means we need to look out for each other.
Like Rubin looked out for Howard, and like I looked
out for my friend and his wife. Let me say
it again, we are in it together.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
We are in this life together, live together, die alone,
as they say, and he ain't heavy, he's my brother.
I love that line. Look, I mean, we do have
to look out for each other, and not everybody that
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you meet is going to be your people. You know,
an old friend said to me oh, well, that person's
not my people. And it kind of resonated with me
a long time ago, because you're not going to get
along with everybody. Not everybody's going to like you or
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love you. But when you find some Boddy that you
can call a friend that likes you, or you know,
you could almost call family chosen family that loves you,
you know you should try to look out for them.
And I feel like that goes both ways. Usually you
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try to surround yourself with people that look out for you. Right,
So thanks for those words man, that that was really
impactful and cool, and it's great that you did that
for your your friend and saved his family a whole
lot of hardship and loss of financial savings. Like that's
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The scams that are going on right now are just
outrageous in terms of crypto too. You know, I'm involved
in crypto and I believe in it, and I think
on fortunately, the FIAT money system that we all use
is kind of like on the way out. It's over leveraged,
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there's a lot of debt and stuff behind it, and
it's not looking too good for the different types of
dollars coming out of world economies. But crypto is kind
of like this new start, this fresh start in terms
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of like storing value and accountability, but unfortunately it's also
the wild West, and you get these really savvy scammers
that don't want to work an honest day job. They
rather go around tricking vulnerable people like the elderly, who
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don't quite understand this technology, don't quite understand social engineering
techniques or tactics, and they pray on people. They basically
get them to relinquish their hard earned money to them.
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So it's scary. It's a scary world we're living in.
But you know, there's some hope, and there's some cool
things that people like Pastor Dale do to protect others.
And I think we all should look out for each
other when we know some like really whax stuff might
be happening behind the scenes. But look, let's talk to
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Dave fault Cheer. Dave, thanks so much for coming and
joining the space today and being kind of the center
point for the subject here, the science behind Flear camera video.
Can you tell us like how you got into becoming
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like a professional Flear camera repair technician?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Hey, Darthy, thanks for having me. Sure did you hear me?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Okay, yeah, you sound like you're a little bit far
away from the.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Mic, But yeah, all right, is this better?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
That's better?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
All right. It's actually kind of a strange story.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
It starts off with, you know, me growing up in
Saint Louis, going through high school, not really finding my
way going to college, getting an English degree because that
was what I was good.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
At in high school, was English.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
So I just kind of picked that for a degree,
not really having any kind of destination with it.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
So I was.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Doing restaurant work and I was bartending, doing that kind
of thing, and then I just kind of up and
joined the Navy. So in doing that, I learned a
lot of electronics, aviation electronics, i should say, and just
I just had a good talent with that. It was
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a good association for my skills. So I started getting
involved in that kind of field, which was nothing what
I was doing before. It was a completely different field,
but it was something I was good at. So I
started doing that and then moved down to Florida to
be with my wife. Essentially, you know, we were just
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friends at the time, kind of a love story thing
going on there, but we.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Followed your heart, that's what you gave.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Yeah, I just picked up everything out of Saint Louis
and I left and I started working on phones electronics,
you know, with with phones when they were foot phones,
and then started or like it was kind of like
refurbishing them, and it wasn't. It was a brief gig.
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And then I started doing work in like a cubicle farm, uh,
for a government contractor that worked for the Navy. They
did publications. I was very boring. So then I found
a job doing aviation electronics like I was doing in
the Navy. And every day I was still bored with
this job, I would look for another job and I
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stumbled upon Flear and I I was like, I remember
Fleer from the Navy.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I didn't do too much with it.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I just talked to some guys in the shop and
had a vague sense of what it was.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
But I applied for the job and went for the
interview and they hired me and the rest is history.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So you your education was nothing related to fixing electronics,
am I right?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Yes, with the exception of the education that the Navy
gave me.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Okay, Like, what were you doing in the Navy. You
were just getting your hands on that sort of like
getting on ships and fixing their electronics on those or something.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Well, when you join the Navy, you can either be undesignated,
meaning you don't have a rate, or you can select
a rate depending.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
On how well you do on an ASVAB test. So
you take this test before you go.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
In, and you get a score and they say, well,
you scored well enough to do these different job functions,
but not well enough to do thets. They pretty much
said I could do any job function and they're kind
of pushing me to do a nuclear kind.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Of thing, but I didn't want to do that.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
I didn't want to be in a submarine, so I said, yeah,
that sounds great, but I want to be like electronics.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I just thought it would be a cool thing to do.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
And so after you go through boot camp, then they
train you in an A school, so it gives you
it's like a general electronics training. And then after the
A school you go to a C school in which
they give you a specific training for you know, whatever
aviation electronics platform you're working on, Like I was a
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mad Tech which is magnetic anomaly detector.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
So then you do cross training. When you get into
the Navy.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Actually you're at your duty station and you're working on
the gear. That's when they do cross training and teach
you other platforms to get you more versatile.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
So what does a mag tech do, Like, what would
be a magnetic detection that you'd be looking out for
and what could cause that?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
So that's actually an anti submarine warfare. What it does is,
if you've ever seen a P three, there's a magnetic book.
There's a boom that sticks out the back of a
P three or now they're P eights, but anyway, it
detects deviations in the Earth's magnetic field and what you're
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looking at is for submarines. So we pretty much have
the Earth's magnetic field mapped, so to say, and then
when you see a deviation, it'll record themike, well, it's
a chart recorder. So anyway, it's a type of avionics
that will show you the deviation. You're like, oh, okay,
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there's a submarine right here, and you're flying over so
you're kind of doing a pattern over a certain area
to see if you're detecting a submarine. So that's that's
pretty much the essence of that. And you can do
that also with helicopters in which you lower down a
mad boom out of the helicopter via a inch and
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you know, a cable and there's different variations of it,
but you're detecting Uh well yeah, just pretty much submarines.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Interesting, very cool. I guess you know you got the
job because A you're a smart guy. Anybody can tell
that by the way that you go about analyzing your
Fleer videos and just you know, describing technology that you've
worked with. And B because you've got good experience working
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with electronics. So tell us a bit about the Flear
camera technology that you've been repairing. And before we start
talking about like the UAP videos that you've done analysis
of that are shot in Flear tech, Flear camera tech,
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can you tell us like what they are, like what Lear,
how it was invented? If you know that, and I
guess what are some novel features of the technology.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Two, let's go back to the basics.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I guess to answer your latter question is that a
lot of people are confused on what is infrared and
what was near in fred, what's night vision and that
kind of stuff, because all of this terminology kind of
gets overlapped and jumbled up. So if you look at
the electromagnetic spectrum. They actually feel the vision like if.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
You're looking at the vision as we see.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yes, from queen blue to purple.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Right, yeah, it's like ultra violet to red.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
It's like from point four microns too point seven microns.
And they when you start to get into the near
infrared or the low light some people call it, it's
kind of what your cameras will see that are mounted
outside for security cameras, they amplify with those little LEDs
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that are.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Around the camera.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
They amplify the light and they see this spectrum to
like zero point seventy five to like maybe one point
something one point five. And then you get into SWEAR,
which is shortwave infrared. That's also kind of an extension
of the visible not invisible range. It's not quite frmal yet.
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It's you're still using daylight camera, electric electronics and optics.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Okay, so door your doorbell camera or your basic like
Nest cam that you've got mounted somewhere in your house.
When when low light environments trigger that camera, it's it's
usually just recording in short infrared. Is that like more
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accurate description? Like it's not full on flear, but it's
like amplifying the light that's already there.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Yes, but I wouldn't use short wave because short wave
isn't really used that much. Let's kind of stick to
near infrared.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
That's a good Yeah, okay, near infrared. I thought, I,
you know, short near. I should have said near.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
My bad, it's confusing.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
So so, yeah, didn't you get into After the short wave?
You get into the midwave and long wave, which are
what you would call like a thermal imaging device. So
that is when there's typically cryogenically cooled infrared detector. It's
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a do or electronics module. It's going to be a
different type of camera than what's typically used on a
civilian basis. It's pretty much on military and three letter
agency kind of apparatus. So I mean, I'm sure they're
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available out there for civilian use, but they're they tend
to be very expensive and you don't see a lot
of people using them except for maybe on high end boats.
You might see one, like I did see one on
a Carnival cruise. They had a couple of them, but
they were just kind of the lower range ones.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
And they're using that what to spot things in the
water that might damage the cruise ship or something.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Yeah, you know, to see other ships or to see
the ports coming up, or you know, situational awareness that
kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, it's just you know, stronger observs
with a better with a light spectrum camera that we
can't even see in It's it's better awareness of your surroundings.
So let's skip forward a bit. You're working on camera
systems that come off of things like a CBP plane
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like Customs and Border Patrol plane, or you know.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
A.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Coastguard boat or you know something from DHS. How much
of those systems costs, Like if if you are one
of these agencies that needed to order a new.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
One, typically I've seen them run.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
I'm just given a rough estimate is like about a
million dollars and the associated cables or I don't know,
twenty to thirty thousand dollars. And then you have training
that goes.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Along with it.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
You'll have to fly to the service center the manufacturer
and you know, get trained on that specific equipment.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
To become a FLEAR camera operator.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Correct, I mean not all of us, it's just the
people that work on the equipment because then we can
train people.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
They give out manuals.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
To teach people how to do the actual operating operation
of the system. But yeah, if you're doing the in
depth it gets pretty technical.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
But if you do the in.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Depth repairs, then they need to have an authorized you know,
service center. You need to have some kind of verification
that you know how to work on the equipment.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Interesting, So that's a lot of money. I was thinking
like a Flear camera might be I don't know, twenty
thirty k or something, but a million only reiche that's well.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
It depends on the Flear system in question. I mean,
if you're looking at a long range standoff, like something
used for surveillance that you can't even see the aircraft
up in the sky, then that's when we're talking the
high money. But if you're looking for something like you're
just gonna mount on a helicopter that you might see
on an episode of Cops, then that might be twenty
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or thirty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
So what you won't Yeah, what you go.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
On what about the what about the flea camera on
the on the on the buboscope trucks that the that
we're captured by, well you know that captured the objects.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Those are the high end ones, but they're mounted on
the telescoping poles. So those are still gonna be like
the aircraft mounted ones, but they're just used in a
different platform, in a different operation.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
And so you think that might be a west Cam
system an MX fifteen.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
I would say it's either A fifteen I or twenty
in regards to the jellyfish video. But I know for
sure that the Labruja, rubber Duck and the A ten
were Fleer systems, most likely a three ADHD by Westcamp
No no no by Flear system is now called Teledyne
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oh Teldyne.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Okay, they're actually the guys that invented the Fleer system, or.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
They're the leaders as far as I'm concerned, and the technology.
I don't know the whole backstory, so I can't really
say for sure, but.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
That's kind of the assumption that I get.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Interesting. Just back to something you were saying earlier. You know,
people throw around infrared, they say vision camera or flear.
So when we're looking at a object in a Gen
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four night vision camera, what light spectrum is that actually
amplifying everything in?
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Are you talking about like a night vision kind of thing?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, like the green and the green and black and
white little monoculars you usually can get. I think they
say that Gen four is around like a four thousand
or six thousand dollars system these days.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Yeah, yeah, and so those I think are probably going
to be like you could either call them near infrared
or night scope or yeah, you're.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Low light because.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
I have one of those that my dad gave me
and I kind of tried it out, and it's actually
to mount on a rifle, and I checked it out,
and yeah, it's you're just amplifying the ambient light of
the area, So you're not it's not actually thermally, it's
not a thermal imager.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Right, And so when we get into the systems you're
talking about the systems that you repair professionally, those systems
that are like a million bucks or you know, hundreds
of thousands of dollars, they're actually thermal detectors. Like they're
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they're in a totally different ballpark.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Yes, they use different type of optics as far as
like you know, windows and mirrors and magnification lenses.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
That kind of thing is completely different optics that you
would see on a daylight.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
So, Dave, I got a quick question, Yeah, go for
the jump. What do you look? I'm sorry jump in anytime. Sorry,
because my Twitter is like glitching out and I can't
even see whose hands are up or whatever. So all right,
it's just a quick question.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
I just want to say.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
So, when when you when you use when you.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Do these videos, right, what is it that you look
for to to basically.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Determine whether something is odd where something is not conventional?
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Well, the first thing I look for is to try
to determine what kind of detector we're looking at. You know,
are we looking at what we don't discussed earlier with
near infrared? Are we're looking at an actual government system?
Is there symbology? Has it airborne? Is it mounted on
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a pole? As it mounted on somebody's house?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
You know, what are we looking at? So that's the
first thing I looked for, And second I kind of
looked for just things that just stand out.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
It's kind of hard to explain, but if you work
these systems a lot, you just notice certain things they
just stand out, like like the linear travel of an
aircraft or the erratic movement of a bird. It's just
it's kind of all encompassing, just based kind of on experience,
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but not all.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Does that make any sense?
Speaker 6 (30:28):
Yes, Well, use use for example, that the object that
you've captured that you were only able to see under
if you're read, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
At work, right, Yeah, that one was.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
I didn't even really I wasn't the person that actually
saw it to begin with.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
It was a co worker and he was He had.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
A like a west cam I think it was in
X fifteen. He had a pointed outside and he said, yeah,
you need to come take a look at this ship
because it's it's really strange.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
He has this deep voice. He's like, Oh, it's really strange.
You gonna come out here look at this. So I
came out and looked him, and I was like, I
don't get it. It's not moving.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
He's like, yeah, that's that's the point, because you know,
when you're looking at an aircraft, you'll see like the uh,
twinkling of the glare off the back of the jet engine,
or you'll see it kind of moving in one direction
left or right. You rarely see it just sitting in
one spot, you know, slowly fading out.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
So that's why I was like, I don't I don't
get that. What is that? And he's like, I don't know.
I tried to hit it with the LRF, the laser
range finder, and it didn't do anything. So he gave me.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
The hand controller and I looked at it in the
two different daylight cameras and there was nothing to be
seen there when it would just definitely in the range the.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Visible range of those two cameras.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
So that's why I said, I don't I'm not getting this.
It's not this isn't anything seen before. And so that's
what kind of piqued my interest in the whole thing
was it was just fascinating to me that this thing
just sat there for fifteen minutes in the sky, didn't move,
didn't change its thermal image at all or thermal signature, and.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
It was the weirdest thing I've ever seen. So basically
you're saying it was invisible.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Yeah, to daylight cameras. You could see it with a
thermal imager, but you could not see it with the
daylight cameras.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
And it was kind of geosynchronously locked, right.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yes, yes, because you'll see I mean, even if you're
looking at the Moon, you just put it like on
the inertial point. You'll just put your system on the
moon and you'll see the moon slowly move as things
move in the universe, you'll see this big object moving
very slowly across the sky and you're like, okay, everything's
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pretty normal. You never see anything just sit in the
sky for ten to fifteen minutes doing nothing. It's just
unless it's like a drone. But this was far too
big to be a drone or a blamp. I just
recently got a Fleer video with a blamp I put
on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
It wasn't anything like a blump. It was it was
just the most unnatural theorie thing I've seen.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah, that is really cool. I want people to definitely
head over to your YouTube. So if people want to
follow his research and what he's been doing as a
analyst of Fleer video publicly, his sign or his channel
(33:46):
idea is at Dave Dave Fault falcch ten thirty eight
and it's pretty cool. I was actually on it taking
look at a video you put up a month ago,
but the Chilean UAP Fleer video. This is for people
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who don't know this video. It looks like this, you know,
pill shaped object or almost like a donut in this guy.
You know, we're going to talk about food to describe UFOs.
Since Dave Fraber went public in twenty seventeen, I guess,
and it almost looks like this object is sitting geosynchrodously locked,
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but then it's drawing out kind of these vapor trails
or these like clouds in the sky behind it. And
believe it or not, this is actually something people have
reported before that UFOs can be seen sometimes almost creating
their own fog cover, their own like cloud And what
(35:02):
better place to stay hidden kind of right above our
heads if you've got the ability to create cloud cover.
But what do you think of that video, Dave? I
was checking it out. You were talking about the way
the camera operator was working, that the cameras seemed to
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be in slave mode, which means the two different lenses
on the camera, are you know if one zooms in,
the other one zooms in by default at the same rate.
We're talking about the Fleer spectrum camera and the non
flear spectrum camera. Can I let you take it over
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from there?
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
I think what I was speculating was they were kind
of moving in and out with the infrared camera and
the EO camera wasn't slave to the infrared camera, meaning
when you zoom into like let's say two times or
four times magnification for the infrared camera. It's telling the
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EO or the daylight camera to catch up, saying, hey,
you also need to be at this particular focal range
or your zoom range in focal range. So it's saying, hey,
you need to be at the same point. So we're
seeing the same object at the same magnification. And that's
one of the characteristics of fleers, and that's what they do.
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But it didn't seem like they.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Had that.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Selected.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
So I was kind of thinking, you know, I'm thinking,
in prosaic explanations, what would make that big vapor trail
because it kind of does look like a plane. I'm
not gonna lie. It does look like a plane from
and this is an older system. It looks like maybe
a Star two or Star three.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
It looks like.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
They were just kind of having how I forgot what
was It has something to do with the engine where
the engine kind of bursts. I forget the terminology for that.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
But like a like one of their wing turbines is
basically like dying.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Not dying, but it has like a stutter. It's I
forgot the name of this.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Is what year was that video? Captured.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Do you know, I don't remember offhand. I just have
gone through so many videos it's hard to retain the specifics.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
But it just it kind of looked to me like
it was just kind of like a backfire of the
jet engine, and you know, maybe a couple of them.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
And that was my supposed hypothesis. But then the only.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Kind of pseudo explanation to it all was from our
old buddy, you know, mech And he was saying that
he found a particular aircraft that matched the flight path
and the destination and whatnot, but it was ninety miles
away or one hundred miles away at some point. And
(38:22):
I said, that's an impossibility, because the fleers don't have
that range. It's like trying to use a camcorder to see,
you know, a couple miles away down the street. It's
just it's not plausible or possible. It's I was telling
him this, but he's sticking to his theory. So I said, well,
(38:46):
all right, you know, I agree with you that it
does look like an aircraft, but you got the wrong
aircraft if it is. That so it's kind of an
unknown to me right now, okay.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
And you know, since we're discussing Mick Mick West, you
did originally start working with him when you were looking
at UAP videos in the public, Am I right? Can
you kind of discuss a bit of your background with
Mick West?
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Yeah, you know, because I don't have anything really bad
to say about him except for his methodology.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
It's just we started.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
He wanted me to do some experiments with the Fleer
cameras and you know, in my shop, which I did
a few, and some people reached out to me, like
some people from the SCU or some other random people
I knew from social media, and they said, you might
want to watch out for this guy. He's kind of
got an agenda. And I said, well, I'll determine that
(39:47):
as as it comes at me, which was kind of
stupid in retrospect, but yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Know, he he was.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
We kind of lost communication when he was telling I
didn't really know what I was talking about in regards
to Flear and I said, well, you know, I've been
working on these at that time, it might have been
twelve thirteen years.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Now it's about nineteen years. But said, well, if that's.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
How you view me, then there's really no point in
carrying on this type of communication, and I'm sure it
was not as pleasant as I just described. There was
probably some unpleasantries exchanged, but not anything so much to wheres.
You know, I don't block him because I still kind
of want to see what he says, but I don't
(40:36):
really hold him in any regard.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah, that's fine. You know, we all know he's a
debunker in the field of ufology. That's where he that's
his lane's let's see. You know, he found a stick
and he's sticking to it. That's fine. You know, there's
people that find it different lane and do their thing too,
(41:02):
And we do need people to debunk bad UFO videos
or fake fake news, you know, so there is a
time and place for all of that. And uh, you know,
let's go back to your some of your analysis. I
(41:23):
don't know if you caught this, but have you been
watching Sarah gam Uh. She was actually working on the
u u AP Task Force and you know, which is
where David Grush was working. And she's come out publicly recently.
She was on my friend Matt Ford's show and she
(41:47):
spoke there. She was on the my other friend Andy
mcgrillan's Uh you u a p podcast. What do you
think of Sarah And did you catch some of her
comments on the Jellyfish UAP video, and that from what
(42:10):
I gathered, she was saying that this video was leaked, right,
meaning somebody had seen it that was getting exposed to
this UAP footage from withinside intelligence defense community. They leaked it.
It was an unauthorized leak, but they knew what that
(42:35):
video was, is what she insinuated, and it was not
like a real UAP.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
I do vaguely kind of remember that I've seen the
video you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
It was rather vague for any kind of assessment.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
But you know, I did a video of that, of
course on my YouTube video to which my big debunking
of the debunk was a lot of people thought it
was just a conglomeration of like balloons like Latex and
mil Are balloons. And so I'm kind of like a scientific,
(43:18):
scientific method type of person where I like to compare, Okay,
let's see what it actually looks like with the equipment.
So and that's what I did with it, you know,
flears and also thermographers and that kind of thing. So
I don't know if she if she has an idea
of what that could be.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Then that's pretty interesting. I have no idea what it
could be.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
It just it doesn't look like anything that's condition conventionally flown,
you know, like a drone or something like that.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
I don't see any propulsion.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
I don't see anything other than the wind kind of
taking it.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
It doesn't look like anything. It's very anomaloust I don't
get it.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, wasn't it also changing like temperature?
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yeah, that kind of thing was. It was changing with
the scene as it was going along.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
It was like an auto gain level that was going on,
and it was kind of changing with that, which would
be typical of I don't know, maybe a certain type
of balloon. But it was just I don't understand the
ten rolls, and I don't understand why it didn't have
the reflectibility that the mylar balloons have or the almost
(44:32):
invisibility that a latex balloon would have.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
It didn't seem.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
Like it matched the description or I don't know. That's
why I could only hypothesize it was some kind of
darper project that.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Maybe they have going on that I don't know about.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, and I remember you did mention that in your
analysis that it could even be some kind of like
DARPA tech that you know, the public doesn't know about
because it's for defense purposes and you don't want your
enemies to know about that, right. But just interesting that
she has made a point to comments on that. I've
(45:09):
spoken her. She's very nice. I don't she doesn't seem
to be disingenuous about that at all. And I think
she does think that there are credible UAP videos out there.
Just maybe this one was not, which she considered to be,
you know, something anomalous.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
But that's a possibility. I'm willing to accept that.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah, let's talk about FLEAR. Let's talk about the TIC TAC.
Can we talk about that and and some of the
things that Mick West has thrown at that, and how
you would debunk the debunk.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
So what kind of said?
Speaker 1 (46:00):
First of all, it's start off with the type of
camera if you could maybe you know how much how
much is it worth? Uh? What kind of technology is
that camera capable of or what kind of abilities does
that camera have in terms of FLEAR tech.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
Okay, so I can give you a generality of that
type of It would be a GNAT FLEAR Advanced Targeting FLEAR.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
So you would have that like mounted underneath.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
The wing of an F eighteen or some kind of
fighter plane, and it's going to have a different type
of rotation as a surveillance flear So instead of having
an asthmith left right and an elevation up down, it's
going to have more of like a roll to it
as the aircraft rules, and then it's going to have
an up down, So it's going to be a little
(46:52):
bit different and its capabilities.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
It's kind of a it's got its like a built
in gimbal you're kind of saying to steady cam the
footage as the plane roles and stuff.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
Yeah, it's going to have it's going to have that. Typically,
there's gyroscopes that assist in like a feedback system that
will assist the pod to you know, if you want
to maintain a horizon or something like that, you can
flip a switch and it's going to maintain a horizon.
Meaning if you turn like to the left, it's still
(47:27):
going to it'll compensate for that and it'll look at
a horizon. So there is that kind of stuff, But
as far as the TIC TAC, I'm limited on what
I can say on that. He might want to refer
to like Chris Laedo, who you know, the fighter pilot's he's.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
Good at doing the analysis on that.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
When we're talking about stuff like go Fast or especially
the gimbal, I can make more comments on that because
the the movements and what I see in those latter
two videos are stuff that I've never seen. And I
told Chris when I was talking to him, I was like,
when I first saw the gimbal.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
The object move and the rotation, I gasped. I actually was.
I was like, what the high hell is it? Because
being at the narrow field of view.
Speaker 4 (48:20):
And it's it was so unnatural. It was like what
I seen out back with my own system.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
It was.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
In fact, I think that's probably one of my favorites
besides Le Bruja, but so fascinating.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
So tell me, like, why the motion of that object
was so odd?
Speaker 4 (48:43):
Well, this is the long running argument between Mick and I.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
Did I since have just kind of given up on
but it's been going on for years that he is.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
Saying it's a flaring of the engine that's kind of
blooming and masking the actual.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Shape of the craft.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
Yeah, the shape of the aircraft itself. So I'm saying
that's not how the nearer infrared or the I'm sorry,
the narrow field of view works. You can still see
the shape of the craft maybe at like the wide
field of view or maybe the medium view, but when
you're zoomed in, you are past that optics. It's like
if you were looking at the moon and you put
(49:27):
in a two times magnification and then at four times
and at eight times magnification, there's differences in what you're
going to see. You're kind of looking past a certain
focal length and looking past the atmosphere and you're zooming in.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
On it again. It kind of comes down to experience.
Speaker 4 (49:47):
And I'm not an optical you know, expert in this,
but I'm just kind of relying this on experience. Is
no when I see these things all the time coming
out of nas jacks, I watch jets go, come and
go every day for you know, however long, for years,
I see.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
This that I'm like, that doesn't match up.
Speaker 5 (50:09):
Even when I see airborne videos where they're following different
aircrafts and they're zooming in, it doesn't match up.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
As far as the thermal signature.
Speaker 4 (50:18):
And when this thing rotates to the left and has
this kind of erratic movement, like it's banking to the left,
but it doesn't bank to the left. It stays in
the same position, but it looks like it's banking to
the left.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
It almost like strapes to the left.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
Like just yeah, I'm like, well, it should when it
does that, it should change not only thermal signature. You
would be able to see the jet at that point
because it's going to sharply bank to the left, and
the exhaust is going to move from your seeing it
from behind to seeing it from the side, and you're
(50:54):
seeing now the aircraft and the side.
Speaker 3 (50:57):
You know, jet.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Exhaust would shoot to the right.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
Yeah, and you don't see any of that. It doesn't
change at all. I'm like that that doesn't make sense.
It doesn't comprehend. So, yeah, I don't have any answers.
I don't say it's aliens. I don't say I don't know.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
It just doesn't seem to be like a conventional craft,
is what you're saying. It shouldn't be like another Faten
or something exactly. Okay. Interesting. I sat down with Seth
Showstack to talk about I think the the tiktak and
(51:39):
the gimbal and he was like kind of basically he
was basically debunking it by saying, Oh, it's so easy
to make a little peanut artifact show up in smear
camera tech these days. And I was like, excuse me,
Like how does that work? And I wanted to talk
to Merek about that. I hope one day I can.
(52:01):
He's a he's got a wealth of information on the
systems that were used and uh, you know, the radar
information and all that stuff regarding the tiktac And I
know he's had an open debate with Mick West on
his channel, so that was pretty cool. But I'd like
to to sort of get his comments on other people
(52:24):
that have tried to debunk from and why you know
those debunks just don't work.
Speaker 6 (52:30):
Yeah, for sure, Dave, I got a quick question, what's
your what's your take on on.
Speaker 3 (52:37):
Them now saying that?
Speaker 6 (52:39):
Or actually Dushi, who's the who's that individual that we
were told supposed to was coming out with some kind
of debunking of calling it a pelican.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
He's not gonna calling it a bird. They didn't even
say they didn't even say it was like a pelican.
You know, I would hope that if they're going to
call it a bird. They got to tell us the species,
what what flight like, angle, it was ad and all
this stuff. But from what I know, uh, they just
(53:11):
say a bird, very generic in their description of the
Ugwada footage. And it's two individuals. One of them was
the former director Kirkpatrick of Kirkpatrick. Yeah, but the other
one is like a physicist that works for university that
(53:35):
was part of the the NASA UAP panel debunk So yeah,
look out for that. That'll be many months from now.
But once that comes out then I can talk a
bit a bit more about it.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
So do you agree with that they've.
Speaker 4 (53:55):
Now what you're talking about?
Speaker 6 (53:58):
No?
Speaker 3 (53:59):
No, the oh the ugly idea.
Speaker 5 (54:02):
See, the most plausible explanation would be the mylar balloon,
but because of the emissivity and the reflectibility, it didn't
seem to me like it was, especially when it hit
the water and turned it into two different things.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
I mean, come on, So I'm.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
Going to be honest when people, let's say you have
this high title of you know, professor of this or
director of that, if you don't actually work on Fleer cameras,
I don't care about your title because.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
Yeah, yeah, you don't know. It's like working on a Jaguar.
Speaker 4 (54:41):
You know, you could say, well, I'm you know, I
have a professor of this, and that if you don't
actually work on the equipment, you don't really know what
you're doing.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
Yeah, you can say the specificity about these systems.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
I hate to cut you off, but I have to
punch out here from kg R real quick. I'm just
gonna say everybody, thanks for tuning in. Head over to
Twitter spaces. You can jump into the Twitter space and
interact speak with us. We're going to continue to go
for a little bit longer, but yeah, KGRA signing off.
(55:17):
Thanks again for another episode. Go follow Dave on YouTube
and he goes by just at Dave Faulch on Twitter.
Andy n y UAP Discussion and Observer of Anomalous Objects
Pastor Dale. We're going to get some more questions and
(55:39):
stuff for you right after we punch out here, but
I'm going to say goodbye and end the stream with
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