Coaching Matters: AD & Lakers off to a Hot Start + NBA Headlines Around the League

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to another episode of the Late Night Lake
Show Podcast at your host today, Kwame, don't worry. Ricky's
still here. He's just on the panel today and we
got our boy Raj in the building. How you doing, man,
It's been a long time since we see you. A
lot of off season, a lot of things have changed,
But welcome back to the show. How's everything going with you?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Man? Everything's good. Gotta do the Late Night Lake Show Pod.
There's no NBA Lakers season starting without hopping on the
Late Night Lake Show Podcast first, So that's one of
my things I do every season. So I'm excited to
be here.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Man.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Lakers are good. I think it's the first time in
like three years we're starting well, you know what I mean.
So I'm excited. How are y'all doing?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Man? We're good man. The joy's back in the heart.
Definitely definitely, Ricky.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
How you doing?

Speaker 1 (00:41):
How you doing?

Speaker 3 (00:42):
I'm good? Bro?

Speaker 4 (00:43):
These games, yeah, like you said, the excitement to watch
these games are definitely ye at its peak right now.
Even though I'm not going live fellas, I am really
getting watched. Like somewhere in the fourth quarter, my eyes
just close on me and then I wake up and
Phoenix is up, and now I gotta rewind it back

(01:03):
and figure.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Out what the hell happened.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
But other than that, perfect, it's all of the starts
of the season for show.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah. These are nine o'clock, nine to thirty tip games
for the Central Times on our a doozy for sure.
I can relate to you there, man, Roger, you got
a nice man. Those are primetime games for you. You know,
nice man.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
I wouldn't trade it for the world, man, I would
not trade it for the world, y'all on the wrong coast,
for sure. I tell y'all that every time.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah, we start getting it back, we start what we
got Cleveland road trip night by the time people hear
this one.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
So yeah, this is perfect. Kids, sit down, gather around
the tv. This is what legacy is about.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah right, Yeah, we get some nice six six o'clock games.
That's nice. It's not like four o'clock for y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, yeah, it's around four o'clock. Yeah. I make sure
I'm I'm around the TV, you know, I make sure
i'm there. I'm there at the TV watching.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
I'm not gonna lie there.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
You go, all right, fellas well, that's a new thing.
On the Late Night Lake Show podcast. We'll talk a
little bit headlines around the league. So we're gonna start
with Victor Weben yam all right, guys. We have the
reigning rookie of the Year on his sophomore campaign. He's
got a new addition to his team. He's got Chris
Paul playing with him, so we're expecting a big breakout
year from him. He's doing all right to start the season,

(02:16):
averaging twenty points eleven or sorry, twelve rebounds, two point
seven blocks, not too bad. Not shooting so great, so
he's he's working on it. He's trying to get his
groove together. Still early, real young team. But I think
we got we got a bone to pick here, Ricky,
You guys got something to pick with the seven foot
three big man out of France. What's going on here? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
This is probably why I'm in the pan on the
side seat today and not hosting.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
I want I want spend too long on it.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
I'm just I'm just a little disappointed in Wemby's.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Non BBU.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
And don't where I'm not talking about a BB it's BBU,
which is Big Boy University. He is letting us down
at the university and I watch these Wemby highlights.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
I caught a little bit of the Spurs.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
Game on League Pass the other night, and you could
tell he's been working with Jamal Craft.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
You could tell he's been working really hard on his handles.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
And I think I have to direct my blame and
my frustration with Kevin Durant. Kevin, this is all your fault, man,
from making these giants believe.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
That they can do what you do. The mobambas the ball,
the ball? Which one is it? Bubo is at the dad?
It's still Bubo, the same name, all right? Yeah, yeah, OK?
And Wemby.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
And I know Wenby is going to have an amazing
career Wenby's it's going to be very surprising if he's
not a Hall of Famer. But my brother, why are
you trying to tweet these small people up? Get your
seven three ass in the post and just tell him
to throw it as high as you can.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
You get frustrated when they don't do it.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Is that why you're trying to dribble and be Steph
Curry around the perimeter.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
It's unnecessary. And I just think, I don't know, I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
It's a mix between Katie's fall and STEP's fault with
giants shooting threes. I'm not trying to shoot on the man.
He's gonna have a great career, but damn it, Wemby,
have some respect for the university.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Brother.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Tu Wow, this is the evolution of the game, though, right,
the tall guys with the handles, the jimbo. I mean,
let's look at it. Wenby's seven foot three in his
second campaign. Again, this is only three games as far,
but he's averaging six to three point attempts a night.
That's that's a little crazy for a big man. It's
seven to three. You know, you should get down the paint. So,

(04:41):
I mean, hey, you see the cool highlights. You see
the fun blocks, You see the donks, the alley ups,
the handle, the threes. Rog How do you feel about
Victor weiber Yama's game? How does it resonate with you?

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah? That sounded a lot like old man yelling at clouds.
I'm not gonna lie. That's that's what that rant sounded like. Man,
You're you said a lot of universe in there, and
you know I'm with you. Some people need university, and
some people like Wemby, will never step a foot inside
of a classroom, a college classroom, in his life. He
doesn't need to, right, I think, you know, as the
evolution of the game goes, six three pointers, in my opinion,

(05:14):
is low. Like, I think that's the low end of
what he will be. Oh yeah, I don't think Wemby,
you know, trained that much to shoot without taking more
than six threes a game. And I think his like
frame is still too slide a frame to be a
guy that's gonna be banging down low. He's a guy
that wants to obviously extend his career. He's been a
professional since like fifteen or whatever it is, so he
understands what his body needs to be. And the Spurs

(05:36):
I think, have been playing that way. He is playing
the center position technically, but Harrison Barnes takes a lot
of the power for kind of assignments for them. He's starting.
He's also starting next to Chris Paul, which tells me
this is a very unseerious season for the Spurs. This
is probably their last un serious season that they have
with Wemby under a rookie deal. Right, He's going to
go and get the half a billion dollar contract that's

(05:59):
coming soon to him. Yeah, which the numbers for the
NBA are getting crazy, but yeah, I think that's where
his game is. And uh, he's already averaging liked what
you just said. The numbers there over like twenty points
a game. I think he's you know, his reboundings there,
he's in dpoy conversations that I'm not sure he deserved
to be in yet, but like I didn't. It just
shows kind of where you know, his talent is and

(06:20):
what the league sees him as. But yeah, some of
the stuff, Yeah, like the three he had one three
I forgot what what I think it was against Houston.
It's like eighteen on the clock and he's like five
foot behind the three point line and he takes it.
That's the one, Like, yeah, that's probably the one that
you can probably you know, pass up and get a
better look. But he's also like, am I about to
go and just screen for Julian Champagne who's my starting

(06:42):
point guard, and like roll to the rim and hope
he finds me, or like I got the ball, I
dribbled up, let me left over across step back because
I can do that. I think he's gonna do that.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
You'd have to be blind, to not be able to
find Wemby just to throw that bach. I think I've
watched Dwight make a whole career just throw that bitch
up there. And Dwight Howard shorter than Kevin Durant. Okay,
So I'm I get it. Call me old fashioned, but
I'm tired of watching my man so far this season

(07:15):
take eleven shots in the restricted area. Eleven shots, eleven
fucking shots in the restricted area.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
But that's just me. I'm old man. We can go
to the next topic.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
You know, I think I gotta sign a little bit
of rog there.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Man.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
I think you're you're kind of screaming from the mountain
tops here. I think I think it's cool, man. I
think it's the evolution of the game, positionless basketball bigs
that can do a little bit of everything. Could he
could he get down in the paint a little bit more, probably,
But I think I think Roge is right. I think
this is just a season where they're just gonna toy around.
He's gonna develop, He's they're not really trying to win
a bunch of games here. This is just wemb development.

(07:50):
So he's just gonna do what he wants to do
on the court, and we're gonna see what works what
doesn't work. So I think they're gonna kind of just
let that leash be very loose and just let them
play and see what they can get from it.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
So if you're guarding this first, like it's just the
starting lineup has Jeremy Sohan in it, Julian Champagne, Chris Paul, Like,
why would I guard the three point line? Like I'm
I'm packing the pain on you and like Wenby, if
you want to come drive in on like four people,
go ahead. But other than that, like you're gonna take
a lot of contact, and that's where teams can kind
of get their bumps and bruises against him. I'm women Yama, like,

(08:24):
I'm a forty three point shooter, you know eventually in
this league, and I can fire away and you can't
guard it. I'm open when I get the ball. So
I understand your point, though, I get it, like in
terms of there's a there's a level of like winning
basketball that's not going on in San Antonio, But I
just don't think that's what's being pushed. Maybe he'll take
those university classes eventually.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
It's Justaire.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
I'm just saying, when he turns to the Kevin Durant,
I don't think anybody's gonna be mad, right, you know,
people love Kevin Durant. What's the taller one.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Right, yeah, yeah, a.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
Little bit eighty and Joe Fault, Joe Fault dog just
too great?

Speaker 3 (09:03):
That all right?

Speaker 1 (09:05):
All right? Well, moving on, we got we have another
young star coming up in the league, Pollo Van Caro Man.
This guy, former number one pick in the twenty twenty
two draft, just came off a fifty burger fifty points,
thirteen rebounds, and he wasn't just hogging the ball. He
gave out nine assists, shooting sixty one and a half
percent from the floor to lead the Magic to a

(09:26):
win over the Pacers. Gentlemen, this guy has been on
a lot of people's radar. Just more than just an
upcoming star. You know, he's a score. He seems to
carry a love of maturity, seems to really know the game.
He is a great, great young player, and I think
this is just the tip of the iceberger what we're
gonna see from years to come from this young man.
So I'm curious, what are you guys thoughts about pollow
what you've seen from his game in his early career

(09:48):
that can continue to fester into a superstar of the future. Rick,
We'll start with you.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
It's all on the film of us.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
The ball handed, the downhill force, the train that you
hear coming that sounds like a hurricane, all to just
stop on the dimond, pull up in the mid range,
make you feel stupid.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Hollo ban Kara.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
Is our greatest underclassmen right now with Bbu.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
This is what we talk about when we speak about
Bbu greatness.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
The man is a three level score.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
And I don't know if you notice, Fellas he's taking
the page out of Bronnie's book, not Broni's book, Lebron's book,
I can't even call it, but out of Lebron's book
and putting a left shoulder in somebody's stern them and
telling them stop me if you can't.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
This is the ship I'm talking about. Man, I'm not
gonna lie.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
I used to love love me some, Julius Rambon right
til these shots just continue to just get moreed and
more outrageous. Right, this is what I thought you would
turn into. Now, this is what I think Julius thinks
he's turned into. But Paolo Bank Carol is doing exactly
what the number one overall pick should do. And if
this is his leap year at twenty eight and five,

(11:13):
nine and six on forty eight percent shooting from the field,
I can only sit and wait for the day that
he follows the great Orlando Biggs and decides to take
his talents to Hollywood. Yeah, propaganda train already, can't stop,
can't stop, won't stop still.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
I mean we still centers from Orlando, so you know,
he's kind of more of a forward, so you know
what I mean, So I'm not sure he undred fits that.
My favorite thing about Paulo, and I think this is
one of my favorite traits on young players is guys
who play in the summer willingly like he goes and
plays in these pro am tournaments and stuff like that,

(11:57):
and to me, that shows a guy that really loves Whoop.
I don't feel comfortable saying the you know, acronym big
boy University, so I'll just say it out loud, feel
comfortable saying that the short version of it. But yeah,
this dude that loves the post, very physical guy. I
thought the playoffs showed a lot he really struggled in
Game seven. I believe it was last year shooting the ball,

(12:19):
but I think he had a huge first half. Second
half kind of struggled, but yeah, he's a guy that
gets to the free throw line. I'm still like a
guy who doesn't shoot the three as well as like
is in a three point thread at you know, as
he was last year. Like I have concerns about him
being a full time on ball guy, but him and
Franz are like a wonderful combination so far. He had

(12:41):
fifty last night. I think he had thirty two at
the half. Had a great game opening night against Miami
as well. Who's who's fallen off in a strange way,
But now Apaula is awesome man and huge break I
thought his breakout season was last year, honestly, but this
year's kind of ascending to that all NBA level. And look, man,
they got KCP, Like that's you know that CACP seems

(13:04):
to continues to travel the teams and you know, pushes
them past their you know, whatever their limit was. But no,
Lorenando's fun. I like their team a lot. I think
they're like fourth in the East to me when everyone's healthy.
But yeah, Paulo is awesome. And this is a dude
that plays defense too. Yeah, that's a guy that plays
both sides, which is rare. And like young players who

(13:26):
have the ball a lot, players like that Brandon ingram Right,
they pretty much lose their abillity Julius Rando, they lose
all the the want to play defense. Paulo is a
guy that locks up, so great, great start for.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Him, I would agree. Paula definitely is a guy like
you said, Roger strikes me. He's like he really loves
to compete in the game of basketball. He said, he's
playing pick up runs. He competes on both ends. Just
the way he plays the aggression, the tenasty like every
trip down like he's playing with purpose. So I agree.
I think he's one of these young players that is
really going to continue to move that needle and I'm

(13:59):
excited to see what what what becomes of it. I
think we see a many many time All Star before
us and Orlando got themselves a good one. And like
you said, the pairing with him in Franz, that's a
good young team down there, man, a good young team.
They compete. Interesting to see, you know, how how they
fare in this Eastern Conference, but they have a very,
very bright future ahead of them, so I'm excited for that.

(14:19):
Now let's move on to the next topic. We have
Raj's biggest non Laker storyline. We didn't discuss this pre show,
so we have no idea what rage is gonna hit
us with Raj. What's your biggest storyline? Go ahead and tell.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Us so I have too, but I'll start with the player.
And I think I think this. I think there's one
player in the league that can like really change a
lot of team's fortunes. And I'm not sure if you
guys have been on this agenda or not, but I'm
seeing Lakers Twitter kind of slowly get to hear. Is
Zach Lavine really healthy? Like I like, I'm I'm super

(14:53):
fascinated with that. He's averaging like twenty six a game
on like forty two from like just ridiculous three point percentage.
His legs look real, he's dunking, he's moving, he's coming
off screens. That's a guy that I'm worried some team
like the Clippers, who are like who do this a lot?
They steal players for way undervalue, right, like they just

(15:15):
get deals done where you know, the value just does
not match. Zack Lavine, in my opinion, is going to
go for pennies to somebody, and I'm interested in kind
of what happens with him. I think the Lakers have
a zach Lavine like on their whiteboard. It's kind of like,
if zach Lavine's healthy, then this is what we would
give up, and if he's not healthy, this is what
we give up. I think there are like two options there,

(15:37):
But I mean you look at zach Lavine that like,
I still I think he's still like twenty eight years old,
multiple time All Star, Like those guys just don't hit
the market at the kind of cost that he would.
Doesn't really fit to me on Okac, doesn't really fit
to me on Boston. So there's this like chasm of
teams who are in this middle pack that can go

(15:58):
trade for him. Imagine tomorrow if Denver goes and trades
for zach Vine, like I you know, so like that.
That's one of my biggest stories. And the other, like
the second one is uh man, the West feels wide open,
Like I watched Denver. Yes, I'm not sure if they're
losing or not to Brooklyn, but I watched Denver play,
I watched we just watched Phoenix play Dallas, like the Pelicans,

(16:19):
the Clippers, the Wolves, who are two and one. Like
I just look at the whole West and it feels
wide open. I think we need to stop Boston from
repeating this year. That needs to be a collective goal
from everybody, and I think somebody in the West has
to get it done. And I'm looking and I watched
Boston play. I know we don't like obviously we don't
like them on this show, but they have a level

(16:40):
of baseline they get to then I'm not sure many
West teams can reach without the star power. So yeah,
those are my kind of two. You guys take those
wherever we want. But Zach Vine and then just in
wide open Western Conference, for like the first time in
a very long time, Denver was like on the top
of this hill looking down and they've you know, cut
their own leg off basically and said, you know, now

(17:02):
we're the same height, and it's like all right, well, okay,
so he's at the top technically, but you know, they
don't really have their climbing boots yet, like they've never
really been through the snow. Uh So it's kind of
this huge pack of teams I'm interested in anyone makes
a move.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Thoughts. Yeah, I mean going back to the zach Lavine trade.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
Now we got we got Raj on the on the
call here, what what would you give up for a
healthy zach Levine? One of them young little, young, nice
Caucasian man would have to be in the package. Unfortunately,
that breaks my heart, especially because Dalton's showing to be
that he he gonna be one of the ones, and
you know for show they're gonna they're not really gonna

(17:44):
have that much of a conversation if Austin's name is
not somewhere involved in it. So where where do you
sit at a comfort level with the zach Lavine trade.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
It's tough because his contract still comes into play. Where
like that's what the negative, which is where I think
you can keep both Caucasians out of it. Maybe if
you're able to, you know, put in two first round picks,
and I think that's where it is. I value Austin
and Dalton more than both of those first round like
in terms of both first round picks, I would rather

(18:17):
give up the picks and give up those two players.
I think Austin's the best value contract in the league.
Like I just I think he's the best young player
we've ever had. I don't know if that's controversial or not,
But like Brendon Ingram, Julius Randall, Delo, he's been in
del Alonzo, I think he's kind of past Lonzo in
the in their career, So I like i'd have a
hard time. Dalton is tough, like maybe they'd require Dalton,

(18:40):
but his salary is so low that you kind of
get it done in other ways. And I just don't
know what Zach Levine goes for in the league, which
is why I think someone's gonna steal him for pennies.
But if zac Lyveen's healthy and it shows this like
he has like three years left on his deal, but
the Lakers are paying lebron Ady the max anyway, so
your salaries don't really matter in that point. But I

(19:01):
gotta see it, man, I like those legs scar Me,
I gotta see it for like at least till February
before I do anything. But I think you got I
think I think you gotta take a look, like if
the scoring is this future at times, like you had
a twenty five point of game score for I don't
know Gabe and whatever salaries am I guy JHS like

(19:21):
you Goes, you cobble those salaries up.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
I would think about it, Zach Coop like this until
February that that take it gonna be gonna be christy, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
I think so. Uh but yeah, no, you're right.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
I forget that they used to call his contract like
one of the worst contracts in the league.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
I completely about that. Then the salary cap just keeps
going up, and it does it doesn't matter, does matter?

Speaker 4 (19:46):
But yeah, no, we we getting after it in the West,
and I think we're about to start getting to our
Laker topics. But yeah, thanks Denver, appreciate y'all. I'm sure
they're gonna be aggressive and trying to write this ship
in some type of transaction. So I think that teams
are going to be aggressive. You you know, OKAC has
already started rumbling around looking for another swap up. They

(20:08):
sleep they got the assets, right, they still have all
the assets because they didn't trade anything for Alex Caruso,
just open so and they got hard stile So you know, okay,
see will have a say in any big name, middle name,
small name trade because they got the money to put

(20:29):
up in the assets. So kwahma will say you about
the west side, and where's the standing, how the things
are looking these days?

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I agree with man, the west is wide open, and
I think that even plays into the other point of
zach Lavine's possible market value. There's could be a lot
of teams that are like, we're kind of jammed here.
We can make this trade and that can push us
right there. So I think his market might be hot
if he can sustain this level of play. I think
there'll be a lot of interest for him again in
the in the wide open West, if it seems as

(20:59):
close as it may be. A player like that, he
completely changed that landscape, So I think that's I think
he's very He'll be a hot commodity provided he can
stay healthy. I don't. I think the bulls really want
to move on from him and Lonzo, so I think
it'll be interesting to see, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Really quickly, I did this exercise a couple days ago
as a sicko, but like I just went down and like,
look at the shooting guards on all these teams. The
thunder have Jalen Williams, right, I don't think they want
another two guard with him. The Sons have Devin Booker,
I don't think they want they already and Bradley Gal
who might have the worst contract in the league. The
Lakers obviously have an open two guard spot, you know,
Max Christie trying to fill that role. But we'll get

(21:35):
back to that. The Mavericks have Kyrie Irving and Luca
Doncs and just paid Klay Thompson. The Pelicans just paid
Just Trader for Johntra Maury, who is out. But I mean,
maybe there's they got CJ. Maybe there's a brandon Ingram
for Levine swapped there. But I just I just don't
see them do that. The Clippers, I think, are just
trying to get through this year. I Kawhi is still
not I.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Have no idea why shout out Kawhi.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah, And the Wolves have Anthony Edwards, Like you know,
I just like, I'm looking at the league and I'm like,
I just don't know where the market is for a
guy who makes forty five million dollars unless you think
you're a contender. Yeah, and the Lakers are kind of
the only one that fits that bill. You could do
the East. You can do the East too. Calves have
Garland and Mitchell locked up. Celtics aren't touching that locker room.

(22:19):
I don't think Orlando are doing anything. I don't think
the Heat are in that position. And then you keep
going down like I'm just saying, I don't think his
market is as you know, hot as I think it's
being I'm sure the Bulls would like that, but they
also just created the out screws, so for a bag
of chips, Like, I don't trust that front office to
do anything smart, and I think there's a world where
fraud Pelinka has his head on straight. You could steal

(22:41):
Levigne for you know, a package that's less than he's
probably worth.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
But yeah, that's yeah. I mean, I think the Bulls
are definitely trying to do a soft reboot if nothing else.
So like that, I think the I think some if
we were to throw in two first round picks, they
gotta listen, right, they gotta listen, So I think that
that could be an option. So, like I said, I
guess we'll see Zach's timeline as well as what the
Lakers are looking like. But speaking of the Lakers, when

(23:07):
we come back from our break, we'll take a look
into what's going on. We're off till three and one start,
but we'll be back in a moment. Late Night Lake
Show get you a second.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Hey, what's going on y'all?

Speaker 4 (23:16):
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Speaker 1 (24:14):
All right, Late Night Lake Show we're back Lakers. Lakers,
Lakers three to one start. Man, Man, it was the
last time this team started three and a one. I mean,
we've just game off three though by twelve. Man, it
how nice is it to feel like our team can
win games guys like that? That's amazing. Man, I felt
like robbed of this joy for so long. It's amazing

(24:36):
to have it back. But we'd be nothing without our
star players, right And I think one in particularly we
need to talk about is Anthony Davis. This guy, Hey,
last year he was on a monster tear. The team was,
you know, up and down, so he didn't get the
proper recognition, but we saw in the Olympics he was fantastic.
Comes into the season absolutely dominating. This guy's usage rate, Man,

(24:57):
up to thirty five point three. That's that's his USU
rating right now, the highest at this point through three games.
It's still early, but the highest of his entire career. Man,
I think he is doing phenomenalies. Averaging thirty two point
eight points, twelve rebounds on fifty five percent from the field,
add two and a half blocks a game. He's looking
like an all world player on both ends of the

(25:18):
floor and we have a system that's utilizing him. No
more are we having second hads where Anthony Davis isn't
touching the ball. We're running through him as much as possible.
It's and it's showing. And we all knew Anthony Davis
had it in him, but now we're starting to highlight it.
So I like to hear what your you fellas have
to say on the crazy start that Anthony Davis has
had on this season. Roger's start with you what he

(25:38):
had to say about Anthony Davis.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Man, I think he looks like the best player in
the league. And you know, there's a lot of conversations
about him being in the DPOI conversation and he's kind
of skipped over that and got right into MVP conversations.
This is the best he's looked. And I've said this
on many other shows, but I don't think it's a
coincidence that this is following Olympic run. Like I think

(26:02):
Anthony Davis really comes in and you know he had
that I've forgot what summer it was where you know,
everyone went crazy because he said he didn't touch a
basketball for two months. He was playing what did the
kids play? Call? Of duty or whatever they like. I
forgot what, do know what game he was playing, but
he was like streaming and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
But no, he was in shape.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
He had to like guard Kevin Durant all summer, he
had to guard Anthony Edwards all summer in practice, he
had to, you know, stay in shape for an Olympic
run and be a huge part of that. And I
think he came in with momentum. And I'm not saying
he comes into camp out of shape, but he definitely
doesn't come in to camp in like prime condition shape.
And he looks in prime condition shape right now. I've

(26:40):
always wondered what an AD run offense would look like,
and I think, you know, people have different kind of
imaginations of what that is. I think you're kind of
seeing what it means to run through Ad. And that
doesn't mean let Ad run every pick and roll. It
doesn't mean let Ad shoot three hundred times. But it
does mean, like, hey, if he's at the high post,
let him get the ball and let the offense kind
of work around him. People screen around him, We have

(27:02):
our guards screening for him. He's getting downhill. He played
against three centers. Honestly, that give him trouble. Gobert not really,
but you know, Sabonis and Nurkic are both guys that
give eighty trouble, especially in the past, especially even last season.
But to see him run through both of those guys,
I mean, he made Nerk pretty much unplayable where they
had to go to plumb Lee and then had to

(27:23):
go to really Katie and Royce O'Neil at the center position,
and I thought we took too many jump shots. We
can get into that later, but yeah, he looks awesome.
Man looks amazing, and I think he's gonna have to
I think Lebron is gonna really work his way into
like he's gonna load manage quarters, which is like unprecedented stuff,

(27:43):
Like he's gonna load manage minutes. He's gonna load manage
parts of quarters. Like I think he's really gonna see
what his body reacts to eighties the thirty year old.
You know, do you know who the highest paid player
in the league is, by the way, Danthony Davis. He's
making sixty million dollars this year is the leading He's
the highest.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Salary, all right, the face of the franchise.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
These are the expectations of the highest page. I'm not
saying he's not deserving. He's deserving every penny, but I'm
saying these are the expectations best defensive player of the
league and a guy who averages twenty five to twenty
eight a game. And I think the usage point is great. Uh,
he's getting a lot of touches. He's getting a lot
of tounches in different areas. JJ Reddick's atos have been
really you know, I have been really great to start

(28:27):
and there seems to be a real emphasis on getting
him the ball, so hopefully it continues. I think he's
the first Laker just like Cap thirty and ten in
each of the first four games since like Wilter Shock
or whatever it was. Yeah, he's just been amazing. He's
in a he's in best Player in the World combos,
which is what you want from your stars.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Man, coming off the championship run, I mean, the Anthony
Davis we expected to see was the DPO Y, the
MVP Anthony Davis, and we saw that in flashes and
we feel like, again the team's success took away from
the individual play that we saw from Anthony Davis. But again, man,
I think the way again, if the Lakers record can
uphold it. I know the media doesn't like to give
the Lakers awards, but what's keeping Anthony Davis out of

(29:08):
these conversations? If he continues playing this way, I find
it hard to keep him out. But Rick, what do
you say? What do you think about Anthony Davis? Now
he's been playing, man.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
This is this has been my guy since since he
joined the Lakers, well even before that, Kwame, I know,
you get on you get on me, and when he struggles,
you'd say that's your favorite player in the league.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
But Ad is one of the ones.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Man.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
It just when he's on the shit don't make sense
when you look at it, especially when you see him
blocking shots, running to the other end the court, either
catching libs or I mean even this season, man, the
eighty three's don't sound like like we are at war,
you know it does.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
I trust him.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
I trust that at least we're going to get a
great effort shot, and that's something that we haven't been
too comfortable with the last couple of seasons. Eighties up
to twenty field goal attempts per game, the most since
I started looking back. I'm back all the way to
the twenty two to twenty three season, and I know
obviously a lot of that has to do with the
changing of the guards between him and Lebron, But at

(30:11):
the same time, this is clearly by design.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
We could have seen this same story last season.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
We were having conversations on lenls to start the season
about Lebron's slower starts and is this signs of things
to come right? But we see with scheme and preparation
and everybody being on the same page, pulling on the
same end of the rope, Anthony Davis is the focal point.
Anthony Davis does not look human when he is just

(30:40):
as good as Rudy Gobert on the defensive end, more
versatile than him, turns around and is more versatile than
Bam out of value on the offensive end, and it's
not even close. And then you just start looking at
your top bigs on both fans in the league. It's
Anthony Davis in the rest of the field. And I
think he's showing you guys, that showing the lead league

(31:00):
that through these first four games, and you know that's
you know, that's.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Top dog over there.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Man. The thing I love about it most is he
seems like he got a little bit of a chip
on the shoulder, like a big chip on the shoulder.
This season, we haven't seen really a d talk greasy
h to the media. It almost it almost feels like
he would be pouting more than anything. But now he's
straight up throwing shade at you know. This is yeah,
this would be what a defensive Player of the Year

(31:28):
should look like right in his postgame interviews.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
That's the ship I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
Man, get let that, let that shine through, and after
you've done dominating these fools on the court, let the
media know that you see them seeing you do this.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Right, So you know you mentioned the threes breaking up,
I've been pushing like, I really don't care about the
three pointers and JJ Reddick and the headlines where you
know JJ's gonna bet eighty taking threes, right, I want
him taking four or five threes Darvin at training camp
last year or two years ago. I want him taking
six threes a game. I don't know, I don't remember
who mentioned it, but you said he's taking twenty shots

(32:03):
a game. That's what like eighty shots In four games
he's taken seven threes total. You know, since he's the
start So to me, it's not the threes, it's the
mid range. So that's important, like the mid range, pop
picking pop at the free throw line, the step back jumpers,
even if those don't go in. To me, like it's
so important for him to be in a rhythm, right,
like he just having the ball, touching the ball, and

(32:24):
like last year, a lot of times, like fourth quarter
comes it's like Ady hasn't scored in a fourth quarter
in five straight games, right or something with some crazy
stat like that. And to me, the reason was is
because he wouldn't shoot outside the paint. So when like
you limit yourself to restricted area field goals, it's very
hard to shoot twenty times a game. Ridy Gobert takes
like ten shots a game because like he can't shoot
outside of well, he could barely shoot in the paint,

(32:46):
but like he can't shoot outside the restricted area. But
Ad opens himself with floaters, with step backs, with fadeaways,
with you know, shots that you know he can kind
of get into his arsenal. The threes will come and go.
He had a clutch three against Phoenix a couple nights ago,
or against Sacramento. I forgot which one, but yeah, to me,
it's not the threes, it's all the other stuff. It's
the mid range is to handle, and JJ's really kind

(33:07):
of leveraged eighties handle in a way where he doesn't
have to, you know, do too much. They have the
guard screen for him kind of at the frea throw
line where it's tougher to you know, switch or you
know or drop back and you can kind of get
eighty going into people's chests and stuff like that. But yeah,
the scheme is kind of working with the player, which
it seems like they have a nice match together so far.

(33:28):
And yeah, he's been great. So I don't think he's
gonna average thirty three a game this season, like that
would be nuts. He's averaging thirty three a game right now.
He's averaging thirty three and twelve, which is just like
that nutty, which I don't think he'll he'll average that,
but you know, around that twenty eight and like eleven
and you know and three blocks. I think he can
do that for a season. Played what seventy six games

(33:50):
last year. I doubt it'll be that high, but you know,
somewhere in the sixty eight to seventy two range, that's
MVP man if the Lakers can stay at like the
three to one to three seeds, he can he can
get himself, you know, an MVP award.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, I would agree, the engine of the offense and
the defensive hub all in one for the Lakers. And
ross your point. He's had to go up against three
tough Western Conference centers. You know, he had to go
against Gobert nurkiced twice and Sabonis who has historically owned him,
so to speak, and he held his own and have
phenomenal games against all of them. It feels like again
a season to exercise some demons for Anthony Davis. It

(34:27):
feels like he's coming in with a different, different mentality
and he's not He's not settling for mediocre games, it seems.
And again, like I said, it's still early, but I
really like the way he's looking in the way they're
playing through him. Again, even if he's not the one
taking the shots, he's getting the ball. He's a constant
threat on the offense, whether they have emotion, moving, cutting
to the rim. You have to pay attention to Anthony
Davis at all times, and I think that's helped open

(34:49):
up the offense a ton. But it's been good, man,
it's been good. It's been a pleasure to see Anthony
Davis be this good so early, and hopefully that continues.
But let's talk about our other our other Lakers star
Lebron James man gonna be for we let.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
You clear out.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
We're gonna We're gonna clear out and let you cook
for this one man, Lebron. Lebron is your top dog
entertainment bro and folks saying that the man is he's
in a wheelchair pulling up to these games.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
What's up, bro?

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Hey, he lost against Father Time last night. I'll say
that he did not look very good. It was a
it was a bit of a struggle. He didn't shoot
the ball super well. Sometimes he looked a little disengaged,
looks like he had like low energy. It seemed like
there's a lot of time. Yeah, he did, he did.
He said he had a bit of a nasal passage
or someone was going on with him. But like I said,

(35:38):
he he didn't look he didn't look to be his
usual Lebron's self. But again, this feels like just another
outlier to me. I'm not ready to overreact. I'm not
ready to think like, oh my gosh, Lebron, He's he's done,
Like we what are we? What are we gonna do?
I mean, we just came off a night where he
scored thirty two points fourteen rebounds. Tennis is absolutely cooked,
like we just literally before literally we saw his run

(36:02):
in the Olympics. I think obviously he still has that gear.
Sustaining it night in and night out probably wouldn't happen,
but we shouldn't expect that to happen. To this point,
I think he's gonna carry his weight more times than not.
I think, like I said, I think that was an outlier,
And to be honest, as bad as he played, we
still had an opportunity to win that game, several opportunities,
So to be honest, I'm not that disappointed at it.

(36:23):
I get it. I know people are used to the
crazy Lebron performances, and I think that's kind of taken
hold of our minds. We're just used to these crazy performances.
We're not used to average, We're not used to subpar.
But I think we're gonna start seeing some of these
games a little more frequently. But I don't expect him
to be this bad again for a long time. I
just think it was again on the on the scale,

(36:43):
a bit of an anomaly. I think it was an outlier.
I'm not ready to overreact. I think he's gonna be
good for us the whole season and when the playoffs come.
We've seen he could still play very, very high level basketball.
Saw did the Olympics. I'm not worried about it. I
think we just got to get him healthy to the playoffs.
And you know, I think he's still one of the
When he turns it on a top five player in
the game, easy, easy, we just like.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
My only point, I'll kick it over you. So like
you just said, you saw it the night before, and
he was.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
The fucking most outstanding player at the Olympics, Like, whatever
the hell the award is for the best Olympic basketball
player men's basketball player.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
He got it. He got it. Not Kevin Durant, not
Anthony Davis, not Anthony Edwards, not Seph.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
Curry, none of these elite all worldly NBA players, not Jokic,
your great hope from Serbia, none of them. Lebron James
got it. And then the season starts and then react like,
oh my god, so.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
What are we gonna do?

Speaker 4 (37:48):
You gotta relax, man, the car is still gonna get
you up to one hundred and ten. You just gotta
let it warm up sometimes like it's a long season.
And I just saw him hit the turbo button, and
how magnificent that looks. You're gonna have to excuse me
for giving him a pass if the next day he
looks like Diet Lebron.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's fair. I also think, like
older cars, you know, he needs an old change sometimes
a little bit, a little bit more often, you know.
So like I'm with you, I think you know, I
don't have any concerns about Lebron. I would say that
I think you're gonna see not to that level, because
I thought last night was probably like probably his most
one of his worst offensive games and couldn't get by

(38:28):
his guy. Uh some of those calls you could, you know,
you can question whether he got fouled, but obviously the
jumper wasn't. He wasn't getting the lift on his jump
shot that he got against Sacramento. I feel like those
things only happened as Sacramento, Like Sacramento got a twenty
straight Lebron run and at age at age thirty nine,
that just feels like something that happens to that franchise,
you know, they just like there's some.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Type of bond.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah, something about DeRozan and Lebron embarrassing performances that just
are match made in heaven. But I do think like
the something about Lebron. Uh, it's eighty two game rent grind, right,
Like even the Olympics are a short tenure where also
are do or die games, right, you lose and you're out.
The eighty two game season is not that. So like
I'm sure he went into Phoenix and he's like, yeah,

(39:15):
I can play, but I'm not kicking the turbo button
Numbrong because I don't respect this Sun's team like that
at number two. I really don't like we just beature
as a couple of days ago, right, Like I'm really
not pushing my guy. Austin's cooking Rui's cooking eighties cooking.
Delo hit some shots like I really don't need to
turn it on, and he tried to, I thought in

(39:35):
the fourth and just didn't have it again. I thought
eighty got fouled, which got proven true by the un
you know, the unnecessary last two minute report that comes
out the next day. But but yeah, that's that's where
I'm man. I think Lebron's fine. It's just I think
that in this marathon, you're gonna see a few and
more of these kind of where Lebron walks a mile,
you know, like like there's some of these miles he's

(39:56):
gonna walk, and sometimes it's gonna look like this where
the other team is sprinting and Lebron's like, I'm not
running with you. I like, I'm not this. I'm trying
to get down there and like you're sprinting at the
you know, the quarter mark. So I think you're gonna
see a couple performances like that. But he's fine, looks good,
looks in physical shape, which is just doesn't make any sense.

(40:19):
Saw him in person on Friday, and you could think
you're watching Lebron from six years ago. It's like, doesn't
look he doesn't look any different. Still dunking on guys.
It's it's absurd. But yeah, I'm with you, don't call me.
There's no panic button on Lebron. Somehow still got the
ten point streak.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Like barely. Hey, hey, he that's not gonna break. He's
not gonna break that. He will get about of here before.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Hot water, he's scoring them ten points.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
The only thing that I think about these days with
Lebron and as I saw, you know, the not best
performance by him, right is I was in sixth grade
Lebron's rookie season, right. My son just turned six in
Lebron's twenty second season. It would be very disingenuous of

(41:11):
me if my ass who gets out there for Thursdays
and Saturday runs huffing and puffing, didn't cut the guy
a break who's been doing this literally my entire childhood
adult in now fatherhood life. I just you just won't
see me get mad at Lebron, like y'all do. I
hold him to a high standard, but.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
He is a made man. Deal with it like it.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
It's an honor.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
It's an honor and a privilege to watch you struggle
for a game, Lebron, thank you for coming to the Lakers.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Goddamn.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Hey, man, I agree with you. I also think, you know,
Lebron said it himself. This team isn't constructed this way
for him to have to go off for you know,
thirty points every night. We got guys that have these
opportunities to really share the scoring burden, and like I said,
he played an abysmal game by Lebron's standards last night,

(42:11):
and we were still in that game till the very
very end. So I think, honestly, that was an optimistic
thing for me because you're used to if you if
you were to think at any other point Lebron's tenure,
if he had a stat line like that, you would
think they got the doors blown off them, you know
what I'm saying. And we held that together. So to
be honest, I think that's very optimistic from the outlook
of the team in totality. So I'm not concerned about it.

(42:33):
I'm not concerned about the team. It's just one of
those games. It's a long season. Nobody goes eighty two
and oh, I'm okay, I'm not gonna stress too much
about it. But speaking of the team, guys, I think
we need to we need to call something on in
our starting line up here a little bit. D'Angelo Russell.
I'm curious about what his role is supposed to be

(42:53):
on this team, right He's not really the lead guard.
I think it's looked very apparent in these first four
games that JJ really wants the ball in Austin Reeves
hands rightfully. So he's shown a tremendous amount of growth
in being kind of that lead guard. We've seen him
kind of work through that role in the past two seasons,
but he feels really, really comfortable with the ball in
his hands. This season, his chemistry with Anthony Davis off

(43:15):
the charts. They've had some really great highlight plays. Where
does de Loo fit in this offense? Is he a
spot up shooter? Is he because again he's like what
a tertiary ball handler in our starting lineup. He's not
really leading bench units. You know, he's not bringing defensive intensity.
You know, right now he's averaging eleven points, about six assists,

(43:35):
shooting forty percent from the field. His uches rate is
the lowest in his entire career. Again, it's still very
early in the season, but you know, he's he's only
a twenty one for his usage ratings, so he's not
really seeing the ball a ton. I don't know where
he really fits in this team's plan long terms. I
know a lot of the concerns is are backcourts, athleticism
at times, and again I feel like Austin Reeves isn't

(43:57):
the guy you're gonna pull out of that out of
that group, if it's one of the two with those guys,
would it make sense to make a trade for a
more defensive guard or something. I don't know. I don't know.
I'm kind of curious just what you guys think on
D'Angelo Russell, where he fits in the team now, and
what is his long term look on this team. Rog
We'll start with you.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yeah, it's funny because I think, you know, again not
comparing it, but I feel like last year, in the
last few years, it's been a lot of two people
driving a car and kind of like, hey, let me
get out, let me get out the passenger seat. You
come in the passenger seat and you run the car
for a little bit, and we've kind of just had
one driver for a while now. And it's just kind
of like Austin's really taking that range. And it's funny

(44:35):
because again at the Sun's game on Friday, and like
you see Lebron walking up on the left side and
you see ad walking up in the middle and the
balls in Austin's hand, it's like a two point game
late in the fourth quarter. And that's not because Austin's
having a good game. That's just what we do in
fourth quarters is we have Austin kind of as the

(44:56):
entry point against the defense, but no with Dilo. But
like again with that backdrop, where is that pud'angelo Russell
or that puts him where his only shots come from
three point land right, So like now not only is
Dilo a streaky shooter, now his only contributions come when
he's hitting shots right. All the playmaking's kind of gone.
It's not gone, but like he's a you mentioned tertiary ballhandler.

(45:19):
He's kind of this ball swings and he's kind of
the guy that has to make the second or third
swing pass and look, that doesn't show up in a
box score like that. Sometimes the hockey assist is something
that doesn't really show up. So like it's tough for
him as well to stay in a rhythm. So he
took he took thirteen shots last night, nine of number
from three and like that split to me, he's just

(45:40):
not hot enough to be, you know, shooting at that level.
But yeah, it puts him in a tough spot where
he just doesn't contribute at all defensively, and it's loud,
like especially with Austin's improvement on the defensive end. We're
throwing Austin on Devin Booker on Anthony Edwards. He watched
Delo can't stay in front of Kevin Herder. It's like, like,
you know, it's just it's frustrating. It's why Gabe Vincent,

(46:04):
who can't like throw a rock into an ocean, is
closing games at six four Like it's closing games because
he defends, you know, at a at a baseline level
that helps you win. It's just deals in a tricky spot.
I think he's being told, don't worry about your offense,
which to the fan base, we don't care. Like you're

(46:25):
averaging eleven points a game, and you're shooting thirty percent
from three, like it's not enough for a player making
eighteen million dollars this year. But I think he's kind
of in this spot trying to pick his spots and
doesn't really know where his shots come from. I'm sure
that relationship will get better, but yeah, you're right. The
second unit is him, Lebron, Gabe, Max and Jackson Hayes.

(46:47):
It's a tough unit to be successful with that. It
just is. It's especially with Max's struggles on offense, Gabe struggles.
Gabe is averaging three points a game and twenty minutes
three points a game in twenty minutes a night.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
I don't care how shoots it, like twice, like I
don't have the stats in front of you, Like he
barely shoots that bitch.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Right and one of them and one of them was
because the shot clock was going out, like he took that. Like,
so yeah, it's a it's a tough place for deal
to be in. I understand fans or like, hey, you
have the ball, now score like this what you wanted, right,
is what you wanted, but like that's not really how
it works, Like you know, it's tough. I'm sure for him,
and I'm not making excuses for him. I just I
can tell the type of player he is, where like

(47:27):
he loses some engagement when he's not engaged, Like other
players can kind of not touch the ball for like
many plays and still be engaged on where they're supposed
to be. But Delo's like, man, I haven't the ball
in three months. Who's courtside? Like it's like it's a
five point game, what are you doing? So that's kind
of where I think his place, his place is, right

(47:48):
now on the team.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Rick, what are your thoughts? Where where's del fit on this?

Speaker 4 (47:52):
On this team, man, I'm not allowed to say that
Dangel Russell is struggling or I'm going to get yeall
that on social media, So I'll just say when his
shots start falling, this will feel a lot better to me. Yes,
he is a very liked teammate, that is clear, right,

(48:14):
he is seems like a locker room lubricator, you know.
But at the end of the day, man, it's a
it's a yeah, you know, like that.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
One locker room lubricator, all right.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Mane like that one you use.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
I need to sleep. They're not hidden like they need
to be. But no, at the end of the day, man,
I just I think Austin, you know, he took his
lunch money. This is clearly something that is moving in
the direction that it's Austin shipped to have the ball
in his hands. I'll never forget Dlo's line when they're
talking about his fit on the team.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
He said, I'm just I'm just a hooper. I'm just
a ballplayer.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Right.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
That was very passive aggressive because up until that point
it was like you got de Loo the distributor, the
maestro of the orchestra.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Right, So I really don't know. I don't know how
this manifests itself.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
I would hope that when the shots start falling, everything
starts looking.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Plentiful.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Right.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
I think del right now seems like the cherry on
top of the finishing like that puts you over the top.
Yet it doesn't seem like you're going to really need
or rely on him for huge scoring outputs, especially with
how Ruy is holding down scoring to start this season. Man,
But obviously we need we need these threes to start

(49:45):
start rolling.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Yeah, Delo is a smart guy too, Like I'm sure
he's looking at the lay of the land and going, wait,
they're taking the ball out of my hands. Ye, Like
I'm not closing games, like you know, Like so I'm sure,
and like I'm on an expiring contract, and like so
I'm sure he's doing the math too. And I'm not
saying I'm not saying they've lost him, and JJ's kind

(50:07):
of really propped him up in post game and training
camp and all this stuff. It's just I think the
human element of it is, like, like my roles continued
to getting diminished. I'm not closing for a guy whoever
just three points a game like I gotten. So I'm
sure like some of that comes with him. But I
mean he's, like, let's be frank, he's the tradable piece
on the team, Like look at the roster. He's the

(50:29):
eighty million dollars salary that fits whatever in Brooklyn or
wherever you want to go get pieces. That's the improvement.
Austin's not getting moved. Dilo knows that. The whole world
knows that, but Delo knows that. Like, so, I think
I think there's a part of this too where you know,
the honeymoon honeymoon phase was there last February and it's

(50:50):
continued to kind of fizzle out. Now both of them
are like do we want a divorce? The kids are winning,
but like do we want to? Like you know, so
it's I think I think that's I think that's where
they're at. That's where Delos at.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Yeah, I would agree. I think I think Dlo has
to has to see what's going on. And like I said,
you know, it's it's even harder when the shots aren't falling,
there's no defensitive intensity. It's like, well then what are
you giving us?

Speaker 2 (51:14):
You know?

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Because everything he was supposed to have given us could
be given to us by Austin or Lebron in that
starting lineup. So I don't I don't mean to say
this is Delo is like a bad player or anything.
He just doesn't have a great fit with our current
roster and his his skill set feels a bit redundant
at the current moment. So we'll see how it progresses.
Like I said, we're winning basketball team, so and maybe
maybe it's just maybe he's just a here for the

(51:36):
ride and the hell he'll continue to sit on as
long as he can. We did talk a little bit
about our bench union, that lack of production, so jj
Reddick talked about how he wants to have a nine
man rotation. So obviously we have our starting five. We
all know that Hayes, Vincent, Christie, and Connect so far
rounded out the nine man rotation. Interesting batch here. We

(51:59):
talked to already about Gay Vincent's exhilarating three points per
game that he's been averaging. Max Christy has struggling on
the offensive end, and we expected a really big jump there.
Connect has actually been pretty good for whatever limited minutes
he's had. I wish he could carve out a little
bit more of a role, but we'll see how that
goes throughout the season. I actually think Hayes hasn't been
that bad in totality. I think he's been pretty good

(52:20):
where he needs to be, been a good energy guy.
I think they're incorporating his athletic abilities a little bit
more in the half court set. So I'll be honest,
I'm not mad at what I've seen from Hayes thus far.
But you know, when you look at the long term
of that bench, nothing is really screaming outstanding here, so
to speak. So I'm curious what do you guys think.
Do you guys have any concerns about our bench production

(52:40):
as we go through this season? Rick, We'll start with
you on this one.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
The only reason why I'm saying no right now is
I think, again, I hate to go back to the starters,
but I think because of the contribution that Ruly is making,
like I feel like it's covering up some of the
struggles on the offensive end by our you know, our
second unit. I don't know what's left to believe in

(53:06):
With Gabe. He seems like he's hustling, so I appreciate that,
right but I think I said earlier. I don't see
him shooting a lot, and I thought we were getting
a streaky three point shooter. You gotta get on some streaks.
You gotta shoot to be streaky, right. So and Grandson, Grandson,
it's getting dark, the street lights are out.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
You either are gonna have to be a big boy and.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
Say you staying outside and earning your right in that lineup,
You're gonna have to come inside, son and have a
seat and figure it out. Because it does seem like,
and I think you said it, Roger, it does feel
like Max is just still a half step slow in
his processing.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
It's clear.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
I think it's clear, and it's disappointing because he seems
like a very he seems like a natural glue guy.
But that means you have to be that much on
it when you're not looked at as one of the
guys to carry the offensive way.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Right, I feel like his mind is behind his body, right,
Like I think the athlete is there. The physical tools
are there, but like the processing speed is just not
at NBA level speed, which again is sad because you
would have liked these reps to happen last year, right,
Like he gets all these out the way, all those

(54:28):
growing pains. So now this year he can jump right
into this role. But you can tell he's like, where
do my shots come from? What am I in this league?
Am I a guy who takes a three right when
I get it? Am I guy that tacks closeouts? Am
I guy that can hit a dump off pass? Do
I have the law pass in me? These are things
that like you don't know in NBA speed until like

(54:49):
you do this a billion times, and you can tell
he's thinking out there a lot. His only three he made,
I believe in the last few games, at least last
game was when the shot clock was going out, similar
to Gabe, kind of a free shot, you know, very loose,
I have to shoot it type of shot. So yeah,
that that Banjo. I'm concerned that we're having Lebron and
Dlo try to carry that offense in the second unit.

(55:11):
And again when Lebron goes through these spells of I'm
not pushing on the brakes, then that puts a lot
on d Lo as well. And like Delo looks, he's
very again, he's very relying on if he's if his
jump shot is going. This is what I thought again
against Phoenix like I saw where Vando was missed heavily,
like we were switching Gabe onto Kevin Durant, which is

(55:32):
a real sentence that happened, but like that was kind
of what we're doing is having like gab Vincent try
to stay in pester Katie, and Katie's like, you're seven
inches shorter than me, Like there's just nothing you can do.
I'm I'm shooting right over. The Dalton versus like Max
saying is fascinating to me though, because I you know,
I didn't expect Dalton to look this good this early,

(55:54):
especially if Dalton's gonna guard at this baseline level, then
I just see no use not to make it mean,
but like see really no minutes for Max and even Gaye,
to be honest, like Dalton played eleven minutes yesterday, and
JJ Reddick has this strict role where he doesn't play
the first and third quarters, which essentially, if you break

(56:15):
that down, that means he plays with very few of
the starters, right, and so Phoenix who obviously they played
the Lakers already, so Dalton connect is even he's in
bold on their white board, right if you can bowl
a white board. But he was being face he was
being face guarded. Yeah, he's being face guarded. And you
can do that when you play next to Gabe and Max,
because who are you worried about? And the other guy

(56:37):
on the floor of Jackson Hayes. So the only shooter
is like Lebron and Di Lo, which is like again,
I just I think it makes it really tough on Dalton.
And he got like two shot attempts against the Suns
because they're really holding on to him. I don't think
Dalton's gonna sit at eleven minutes for long. And then
when Vanda comes back, Yeah, this bench gets interesting. I
just I think right now we have to play Gabe

(56:57):
and Max together because we don't have anything else coming
on the bench. And I agree with you, I think
I think. I think Hayes has been fine in his
role minimum center. I think that's all you can ask.
I like the role that he's in. We have him
switching more instead of in the drop coverage, which is
really kind of elevated his defensive impact. But yeah, that
bench scoring is concerned. We had fourteen points in the

(57:19):
second quarter, which that's why you lost. He had an
eighteen point lead and you were down two at halftime,
So yeah, the bench will be interesting.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Yeah, I see a lot of what you see Raj
in terms of if Lebron is not going to essentially,
you know, raise the floor of that bench unit, I
don't know what like those are gonna be some dark
spells if Dlo is not going to turn it up.
So maybe that is Delo's role. Maybe he's you know,
the second spark plug with that second unit. But I
don't know, man, It's it troubles me a little bit. Again,

(57:52):
It's it's still early. Like I said, we'll see what
happens with Vanda comes back, but he's not really a
score guy either, so I don't he doesn't really show
up what we're looking for on that. And I'll be honest,
I think this season we're probably, unless you know, barring
some trade, with our current roster we're looking at, I
think we're really going to have to depend on the
starters heavily for offensive production. I don't necessarily think that's
a bad thing. I think we have the talent there

(58:13):
and definitely you know guys who can get buckets really
really fast, So I don't think it's an issue. It's
just I don't know, looking at it. Nothing wiles me
when I look at our bench and you know, you
look at a couple of other teams bench, you know
there's a guy It's like, Ah, that guy you really
have to worry about. I don't know if I see
that for us yet. And to your point, Raj, maybe
Dalton connect could be that guy, considering hopefully his development
goes as planned. So what to see there? Speaking of

(58:38):
our our team in totally how things have changed, man,
JJ Reddick feels like a breath of fresh air. You know,
for the most part, we didn't really change the roster
a ton. We kind of left things as is. But man,
we've seen a lot. We've seen and heard a lot
of praise for JJ Reddick very early from our Lakers teams.
Going through training camp. We're hearing how there's a system now,
how you know there's some schemes being built, how the

(59:01):
coaching staff is really prepared, how guys know what they're
doing on both ends of the floor. We've heard this
from basically the whole roster top to bottom thus far,
and the results are translating to on the court. We're
seeing it. We're seeing it early. So I'm just curious, man, Raj,
What are your thoughts when we look at the difference
between Darwin and JJ and how our offense looks a little,
a little vitalized. Is that just the players believing in

(59:24):
him more? Is it the actual system? What are you
saying from our Lakers team? Because again, not much change,
but something's changed.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
On that court. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
So I'm usually I try to be nice on Twitter.
I just I don't like that every positive JJ thing
I say is taken as like a you know, attack
Ti Darvin Haam. Yeah, like it doesn't have to be.
You know, they both can you know, have their own
ways coaching. No, I'd love to know what JJ's whispering
in Ruie's ear, Like, I would love to know what
he's saying, because this is a that's been like the

(59:53):
biggest change to me is ruy Hachamuras. Maybe it was
just not starting the inferior player. Maybe that's just all
it is for, you know, to get really become the
player he is. But he has him rebounding, offensive, rebounding, aggressive,
attacking the rim. I think what JJ's done is really
put I don't think it's very complicated offense, but it's structured, right,
So it's simple but structured is what I kind of

(01:00:14):
see with JJ and a lot of stuff, a lot
of half court sets, a lot of plays being run,
very few freelance stuff. Every time we do freelance, you'll
hear JJ in the post game like, yeah, we freelanced
that quarter and that's why, you know, the offense kind
of stagnated. That's basically what I see. The atos have
been really good and it's very clear JJ is a
psycho in preparation. But you know, the car wash story

(01:00:35):
is funny, and you know it's I just don't know
how you're getting the Wi Fi at a car wash
to rewatch games and any you know, I gotcha. Yeah,
it probably has a special iPad or something that that
has the film. I'd like one of those. By the way,
if JJ is listening, like just she fells over, send
me one of those with the with the film already

(01:00:58):
on there. But no, it's very psycho and in terms
of his preparation and stuff like that, you could tell,
like just the he's kind of modernized our team I
think in a way that you know, Darvin just never
got to And the postgame comments are what they are,
but it feels like we're a very modernized team, very
much in the attack and driving kick game very much,

(01:01:19):
and you know, trying to limit as many post ups
as that we do, just modernize our offense, and I
think it's really worked well for Austin very much. Again,
clear structure, No more of this freelancing Austin and Di
Loo taking turns playing hot potato. It's very much Austin,
you have the ball. This is our offense, is what
we run. These are our set plays and you know
a lot of that. For Dalton, is weird watching a

(01:01:40):
rookie get as many play calls as he has, But yeah,
JJ's been good. Man won his first three games. I
think the first rookie head coach to do that in
a very long time. And three and one is a
hell of a start and it really buys you belief.
If they're zero and three, then I think these conversations
are very different. Right, if you lose the Sacramento game,
if you don't come back from twenty two on Phoenix, right,

(01:02:04):
you're or if you're one and three or whatever it was,
these conversations are very different. Because they did win. We
you can speak in a little bit more positive light,
but uh yeah, J has been great so far, and
it's early. Uh, no one turns on coaches faster than
like there's just no position in sports where a coach
is turned on or a person is turned on faster

(01:02:24):
than a coach. So it can be great, it can
be kumbaya now and in six months, you know, you
could be seeing a meme of Lebron looking at JJ
in a strange way and everyone thinking he's getting fired.
So but he's been great so far. JJ looks like
the real deal, which is which is important?

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Yeah, Lebron's podcast hosts man burned coach, what do you remember?
You remember the dialogue during the summer. But looks like
he's he's fit the bill pretty well.

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Looks like he's done what he's had to do. He
does have great assistance, So I don't want to I
don't want to be remissis about that. He has some
really good assistants and I think are helping that transition
into an NBA head coach go alot smoother. But again,
I really like what I'm seeing from JJ, and I
like what we're seeing in our offense. There's a few
points of concern. I think our transition is one of
those spots. I feel like we crash very hard on

(01:03:13):
the offensive glass, which has helped us in some ways,
but sometimes it leaves our back court is the only
guys back in. You know, there's a bit of an
athleticism gap there, so you really don't want to be
looking at the transition opportunity with dlo is the only
man back. But outside of that, again it's a very
small sample size, but I think what we're seeing is
really good. Rick, what you what do you have to
say about JJ Redick and his four game career start.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Yeah, No, I think you guys hit on all the
points with them.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
I think you know Roger at the very top, which
you said whatever he said to Roy to get Roy
thinking that he's about to rip down the rim anytimes
he's in the paint again another big boy university member.
I guess I gotta say the full name now. I've
had too many mistakes this pod. So everything JJ's doing,
keep doing it. I love the accountability after the game, right,

(01:03:58):
and that's it's like people joke, but you can tell
there are some clear things that Darvinham wasn't doing last season,
and I think one of them, whether it's very important
or not, very important is he didn't really read the
temperature of the role when things were when it was
time to fall on the sword. He would never do

(01:04:19):
it as a head coach. And it seems like JJ
right off the top is like, yeah, that game, I
think it's my fault. And here's why I think it's
my fault.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
So you know, that's that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
That's always refreshing to see, you know, folks taking accountability
when they're in the position that they're in. All I'll
say with that is, let's give it, what a couple
more weeks whatever, we need to get it upbout our system.
But my plea to Lakers fans, let's stop talking about swine.
Let's let's let's leave that in the past.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
We could definitely laugh at the Milwaukee Bucks not being
not being shipped. We could definitely at that him and
Doc Rivers being to get stop mentioning that man's name
with the head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
I don't like that. Yeah, let's just we're done with it.
It's all over.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
It's over right, Yeah, you know it's crazy though, Like again,
I know, I think the way you put that is
how most Laker fans feel Nightmare in Lakerland is a
conference finals visit, Like that's other teams like dream, you
know what I mean. Like I so I hear the
way that he's spoken about it, Like I'm pretty sure
like some coaches are just meant to be assistants, right,

(01:05:29):
And I think that's I think that's fine. I forgot
the name of the Bucks. The previous Bucks coach, Adrian
Griffind was thirty two to ten when they fired him.
Most people are like, and most people are like, that's
the right move, and that's fair if you think that's
the right move. I just think, like, if you're going
to fire that guy, but then to bring in Doc Rivers,
it just doesn't like again, like it just doesn't make sense.
It doesn't compute for me. But yeah, I'm with you.

(01:05:51):
I don't think we need to bring up Darvin every time.
I get he had his faults as as a head coach.
I also don't think he was like Byron Scott, like,
so I go, you know, he's probably not going to
get a head coaching job for a very long time.
But yeah, those two together, Darvin back in Milwaukee Withtorium Prince,
it just doesn't It's just it's crazy, but yeah, let's
leave that. I do.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
I watch a hard knocks of the Milwaukee Bucks.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
Now that I alas don't really fuck with each other
like that. Please get me the behind the scenes of
Doc trying to mediate a conversation between those two.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
So, yeah, they couldn't figure out a time. We're either
both busy, you know what I mean, couldn't hang out
in the summer. There was no time, there were no.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
Planes, and the game couldn't beyond European standard time.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
So I don't know, it's unfortunate. Our stars are best buddies,
so you know, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Definitely, definitely well, I agree with you guys. I think
this is an opportunity where again, let's leave the past
in the past. They don't need to talk about number
zero or our former head coach. Those are all days
in the past.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
It looks to a future.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
It looks let's look for days and greener pastures. I
think that's what we can all look for. The Lakers
have gone off to a great start, so let's just
enjoy it. We don't need to relish about the dark days.
Let's look towards a bright future.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
And like I said, you know, Hey, those guys had
their faults, but they weren't the only problem, so to speak.
So it is what it is, but to kind of
wrap us out at the end of the show. Lakers
got a little bit of news today from Shan Sharanya
reported that Christian Koloko has been medically cleared to play
by the NBA's Fitness to Play panel, so he'd signed
a two way contract with the Lakers this offseason. Played

(01:07:32):
three seasons at the University of Arizona, played for the
Toronto Raptors, but had to sit due to a blood
clotting issue. Again, this is a seven footer. Him being
on a two way just tells me that this is
probably more of a developmental thing than any real pathway
two minutes but I'm curious what do we think Christian
Coloco could do for our team? Again, some people may
not be too familiar with him. Again, he didn't play

(01:07:54):
a ton in his lone season back in twenty twenty two.
But I mean, he's a sun flitter, so that's something
to look forward to.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
Right. Does he shoot threes primarily? That's all I want
to know, does at all?

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Post does not? Does not shoot threes at all? And
in my opinion, this is where I'm with you. I
don't want my center shooting threes. I don't like, unless
you're win Minyama, like unless you yes these like generational centers,
I don't want you shooting threes. I'm so glad Jackson
Hayes doesn't try to shoot threes, like I'm I'm very
glad and Coloco's kind of in that. To me, Coloco

(01:08:31):
right now is Jackson Hayes insurance right like that? To me,
that's what he is currently. He's I think he's more
of like an NBA talent than Hayes's. I think there's
a lot there's a higher ceiling there. It's kind of
I don't know any other team the league that was
willing to take a risk on a player and with
blood clot issues like that's scary, Like he just got
cleared now. They signed him, like weeks ago, he averaged

(01:08:53):
three points a game in Toronto, like very raptor fans
liked him. They said there was a lot of you know,
learning curve with him, a lot of young mistakes. And again,
this is a position of need I think the Lakers
have had for years, and it's pretty frustrating. That like
our answer to maybe our biggest like if you're gonna
get like your most important insurance is like your house insurance, right,

(01:09:15):
Anthony Davis is your house. Our house insurance is Jackson
Hayes and Christian Colloco. Like I think, I like that's
a little bit of an issue to me, So, like
I don't really look at Colloco as a solve there.
But young guy two way, we'll see what he is.
I think he's playing in the G League before he
ever touches the Laker court, just to get his conditioning right.
But yeah, it doesn't take threes, Ricky don't have to

(01:09:35):
worry about that. Long center can has a huge catch radius. Legit,
seven foot guy, and Lakers are hoping like they hit
big on a guy who was drafted, you know, close
to first round less than two years ago, played three
years in college, so a little bit more seasoned as
a big man. But yeah, bigs are kind of hit

(01:09:57):
or missed. Right, there's one Derek for ten. You know,
name your athletic center that's out of the league. I
guess it's it's just it's a it's a tough comment, right,
Colin Castleton just got traded. Uh got traded in the
from G League t the G League team, which is
you know, just which is. I'm sure sad for a

(01:10:20):
guy like Colin who felt like he had a chance
to play on the Lakers roster last year. Right Lakers
had backup center needs and Colin just could not fit
the physical profile. But now he's on the Brooklyn G
League team, which I guess has breaking news for you guys.
But but yeah, he got traded. He got traded I
think a couple of days ago.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Yeah, man, Rick, what do you have to say about
Christian Gloco? Man, do you have anything to say? Any thoughts?
I mean, is he our first stint Damian Jones? We're
looking for what's going on with this guy?

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
All I can say is brownis finally going to have
his big man down there for South Bay. So I'm
looking forward to that that they can some chemistry, you know.
And uh, we didn't even talk about Bronnie. It sounds
like Bronni is going to play tonight with Lebron in Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Yeah, so that would be cool.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
Right, And then it sounds like Bronnie is gonna head
down for the start of the G League season, which
is pretty early in November, right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Raj yep, coming up about a week.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Yeah, well there we go.

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
So I think that's the time that Bronnie's gonna get
a lot of his reps in, and I think Christian
Cloco is going to be in similar situations on this
on this two way deal.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
So not much for me for the big fellow, but hey,
welcome aboard and all the best.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
Hey, we got Bronnie playing in Cleveland as these are
all just shots for the documentary, guys, like you're gonna
see it in like ten years ago. Oh that's why
he played in that game. They just wanted to do
a shot. It's at home kids from akron X two.
You know, the whole fun the whole fun thing. So uh,
it'll be good, man, it'll be good. But prank well
that that will wrap it up for us here the
Late Night Lake Show Podcast. Appreciate you all for tuning in.

(01:11:59):
God the Lakers we played tonight. We played the Cleveland
Cavaliers early game for our West Coasters, Thank you Jesus.
Game for us in the Midwest. So we're excited for
hopefully the Lakers can get back to their winning ways
and improve to a four in one record. But before
we take off, Raj, tell the people what you're working
on and where they can find you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Oh yeah, I mean I've been on this pod enough.
The listeners that follow you follow me, I'm sure. But
you know, at Raj topollow on Twitter, follow me on TikTok,
i''s starting to grow pretty nicely on there. So same
name at Roger. Follow Lakers, detailed Lakers. Yeah, Lakers Lounge.
We're all over. Man, it's time. It's Lakers. This is
the most beautiful time in the world. So these next

(01:12:41):
seven eight months, Uh, this is what I live for.
So I'm excited to be back in the ground dancing. No,
I don't don't dance, and that's that's not for metok.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
You're not stitching together reaction videos, you know, like oh no, keeping.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Straight Lakers. Yeah, video breakdown. It's actually a really nice
kind of platform to be able to kind of zoom
in and you know, break down play by play, and
you know, TikTok has more of a h attention span
for that. You don't want you don't want to put
three minute videos on TikTok. So it's nice you can
get content up pretty quickly there. But yeah, follow me
on there, and we're back on the NBA grind Man.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Well, Ra, thank you again for joving us a friend
of the show. We appreciate having you do it for
us here at the Late Night Lake Show podcast. Appreciate
you guys again for listening with us for Kwame, Ricky RAJ.
Let's go Lakers, Baby. You guys have a good one.
We'll get you later.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
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