S5: EP #129 with Mark Murphy former Green Bay Packers President (Part 1)

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Speaker 3 (02:23):
Welcome to the Lead thirty six podcasts, and today we
got a special guest and it's not Gary, trust.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
You not Gary.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
I didn't notice. The next young man went to Georgetown Law.
He went to a college just named after toothpaste? Can
you guess it? Kogate And that's one of the hardest
schools to get into it by the way, right.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Mart Murphy?

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Yeah, how's it going on?

Speaker 5 (02:49):
I know I have to disagree with young shot seventy
years old. Young man, Well, it's great to be here.
I've heard good things about the podcast.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Oh that's a drop.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, and of course we got about co ho Gary Ellison.
Now if you don't like these topics, blame Gary.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yeah, he's in.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Charge of that.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, okay, you know we got is that Jacob Jeff?
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Because that's Jake. Yeah, because he's been missing.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, Jake, you Bicky from Charles Olla Brewing Company is right?

Speaker 6 (03:22):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:24):
Every time Garry calls me you big, I don't call
him Jake.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
What a name? Like? How you're bigger? I'm sure you're
not married?

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Right? You know I'm married?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Can you go along with the content?

Speaker 6 (03:36):
Well, you know, I'm married to Brandame Martinez.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Right, I don't want.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
No smoke Mark.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
She didn't take no.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Shout out for her, shout out to her. Two things
you could be happily married, Yeah, and not take his name.

Speaker 7 (03:56):
We actually just celebrated our anniversary on Saturday, went out graduate.
We went up and saw the Black Crows up at field.
Oh it's one of Rena's favorite songs that that band plays,
so on our anniversary she got to hear the song
she loves so, thank you Green Bay Packers here.

Speaker 6 (04:15):
So it's eleven married, but we've been together.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
To count the morning years ago, twenty years. That's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
You have a due yeah, math on camera.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yeah, it's a tree and something she's gotten there to
throw the months in that.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
But you have you're a real bird, you know that.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Just say how how?

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:38):
You took your wife on your anniversary to something that
was free?

Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah? Well man, yeah anything.

Speaker 6 (04:46):
I've been on the Leap thirty six podcast for two
years now. I picked up.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Nobody Women Women on scholarship here, Nobody.

Speaker 5 (05:01):
Those those concerts that title town are pretty special.

Speaker 6 (05:04):
Was We were thoroughly impressed.

Speaker 7 (05:07):
We told everybody everybody about it, like if there's a
show you want to see, go see it.

Speaker 6 (05:11):
It was really approachable. It was so much fun. I
mean there was families there, everything, so great time.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Also good smart man.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
Yeah, and the weather was purpose right Yeah, yeah it
was how it.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Was that you do worry about how do you guys
do that? Margins they go through you guys. Do you
guys organize that? How does that work?

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (05:31):
No, it's the Packers.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
Yeah, Gabrielle now uh overseas it and we try to
have one major concert.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
It's kind of the kickoff concert.

Speaker 5 (05:40):
Yeah, but then we we've had other concerts in in
the stadium.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
Right right, Yes, no, and you know some of the others. Yeah,
those are nice.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, normally were great.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
It's great for the community, it really is.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, it's read in your backyard.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
And yeah, normally we would get into the interview. But
this last game, Mark triggered me the one team and
I got on these guys and there I do not
like Detroit.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
So we got to talk about the gig and this
happens that been.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
Yeah, you know, I was to be quite honestly, I
know Matt said this. I was really surprised how many
Lions fans were there.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
Come on.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
Yeah, But the great thing was they were not a
factor at all.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
But you know what, they never left now, stayed the
whole quarter.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yes, I don't know if they were shocked or stunt
or punts struck or whatever, but they never left. They
stayed the four corners, which is amazing. Now a worse
since a.

Speaker 5 (06:45):
Lot of the Lions fans their fairweather, right, I mean, well,
two years they've been good.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
I haven't seen four years.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
I haven't seen them, and I go to get the
pinching from them, so given.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah, I hate.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah. I did play for the Lions, and the only
actually when I played with the Lions, for the people
in the stands fighting each other. That was the game
to back back then.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
But I tell you though, I mean it was. That's impressive.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
You think you know the Lions were fifteen to two
last year they were, Yeah, I mean, and to beat
them the way we did that was very impressive.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
I thought, Yeah, great one.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
I was excited.

Speaker 6 (07:23):
Yeah, the whole energy just.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
And the crowd, crowd was great. Yeah, that was funny.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
You know. No longer being president, I watched the game,
very difference. It's a whole different perspective.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Where did you watch the game.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
I have a suite, watched it, watched the sweet you
got it, watched it with my two of my uh,
two of my kids, my oldest two daughters, their families
and friends, and it was it was Yeah, it was
a great evening.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
You and your wife have been an amazing host for
the last what's fourteen years long?

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Seventeen almost eighteen? Yeah, almost eighteen. Now.

Speaker 5 (08:01):
My wife Laurie is tremendous. She's done so much in
the community.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
It's a better half. Yeah, Yeah, she's amazing.

Speaker 5 (08:07):
Yeah, she's and so many different chara charitable organizations and
uh the Jazz House for kids who have aged out
of the foster foster foster care system.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
Yeah, we had.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
Foster We had a couple of foster care uh children
and saw the need who had eighteen is ready to.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
Live on their own, right, No, I wasn't in college.

Speaker 5 (08:32):
In college absolutely, even though Colgate's a good school, there's
a lot of knuckleheads.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeah, yeah, okay, there can.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Be everywhere, Okay, everywhere. That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
You know, Mark, A lot of people and loys frigued
about New Troupe. But you know what a lot of
people don't talk about you as if you played in
the NFL.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
I think you got a whole of the career over here.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
But I think a lot of you forget that you
late it was very successful.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
Well well the people here, wo do.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
But not Washington they do like, no, you grew hair, you.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Still got it right? Right? Right? So how did that?
You're right?

Speaker 5 (09:16):
I've had a lot of fans say, oh, I didn't
know you played in the NFL, but yeah, it was quite.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
A while ago, right, But wasn't drafted about a coldgate?

Speaker 6 (09:24):
Right?

Speaker 1 (09:24):
I was undrafted? Right? So how did that process? Because
that was free agency? There was it still a free agency?

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Man? Was it twelve rounds?

Speaker 3 (09:30):
In?

Speaker 4 (09:31):
What was it? And the draft was twelve rounds? That's
how bad I was? Right, we drafted twelve rounds? Now,
you you hadn't heard my store my draft day story.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
No, please drafted all all.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
Because we all have one. I have one as well,
but yeah, go ahead, this is one. It's hard top, right.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
So nineteen seventy seven draft is over held over two days,
six rounds each day, twelve rounds and the very first
day of the draft, and I thought I was get drafted,
but I wasn't sure back then. You know there wasn't
all the media covered. Yes, but you know Colgate we
were really good. We were there wasn't one A in
one double A. Our biggest rival was Rutgers, oh wow yeah,

(10:15):
and we played yeah and uh so you know it
was you know, played at a high level and had
a lot of success.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
As a team.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
And so the very first day of the draft, I
get a call from George Allen, head coach of the
Washington Redskins, and he said, Mark, and we're going to
draft you. We were going to fly you down. And
I mean I was in heaven. It's like Washington Redskins
and Georgeorgia. Yeah, and you know I was in Hamilton.
So I drove up to Syracuse. Uh you know, kept listening,

(10:49):
you know, thinking to when I might get drafted. So
I wasn't drafted the first day, but they got me
on an airplane and flew down to Washington.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
D c uh.

Speaker 5 (10:56):
You know, then that second morning I got I got
up like I couldn't sleep.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
I got like six gris like so excited.

Speaker 5 (11:02):
So we get into Washington and they put me in
a car and we flew into Dallas Airport, which is
pretty far out in Virginia, close to where the Redskins
facility was.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
They took me into Washington, d C.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
Forty five minutes away, and it was which was I'd
never been to Washington, d C.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
It was great.

Speaker 5 (11:20):
So I got to see the Washington Monument and the Capitol,
and they kept driving around. Finally, then then they took
me to lunch in downtown Washington, d C. And they
didn't have cell phones in so the person that was
driving the car kept stopping and going to a phone booth.

(11:41):
So finally about four o'clock pulled me into the Redskins facility.
So I get out, go up into George Allen's office
and he says, Mark draft just ended. You weren't drafted.
Here's a contract. Why don't you take a minute read
through it and sign it. And then he turns his
to assist it and he says, you know, if Mark
doesn't sign that contract, get that safety from Oklahoma like

(12:01):
so much.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
So you're sided.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
So I called back to my apartment and my girlfriend,
who's my wife now, is what do you where?

Speaker 4 (12:10):
What are you doing?

Speaker 5 (12:11):
I said, what do you mean? I've been trying to
get in touch with you all day and no, none
of the Redskins wouldn't let anybody get through. Nobody could cry.
They basically hit me out.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Does she ask you, did you have a signing bones?

Speaker 4 (12:23):
I just got a sign bonus twenty twenty five hundred bucks.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
That's all we are now.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
Yeah, two years ago, twenty one, twenty six thousand, I
had a lot of leverage.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
You know, It's funny because there were there were some
other teams that were calling, trying to get in touch
with me, right, but all the other teams wanted to
move me from safety to linebacker.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Because he's six four.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
There was a guy who played in the league, Brad
van Pelt. He was a safety in college and swift
linebacker and it was great for this.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Did you play for the Giants?

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Yeah, Yeah. He was a great, great player. He was
a really great player.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
But I felt much more comfortable staying at safety. So yeah,
And you know, I didn't like what George Allen did
to me. He was a brilliant defensive coach. And just
even though I was only only played for George for
one year, I learned so much, uh and really was
really helpful to me and for the rest.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Of my career.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
Yeah, did you enjoy your time, my time with the Redskins.

Speaker 5 (13:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably looking back on it, you know,
actually the next head coach was Jack Pardee, who was
a great player, great coach. Oh yeah, yeah, I had
a I really loved my secondary coach, man named Richie Pettibone. Yes, yes, great,
great player, kind of like me, like a big, slow

(13:46):
white guy he can relate to.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, right right, but no, everybody was supposed to be
And yeah, I looked back.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
The best thing I happened to me was about halfway
through my career the Redskins hired Joe Gibbs. Yes, and suddenly, no,
I shouldn't say suddenly. People forget this. Joe Gibbs's first
year nineteen eighty one, the Redskins started out on five
and you know then, but.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
We were in every game it was closed.

Speaker 5 (14:15):
We ended up going eight and three to end the
season and then won the Super Bowl next year.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
Wow. And the eighty two season was a strike year. Yeah,
that's a big turn.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
Yeah, and that was that was a really challenging time
for me because I was Redskins player rep. And I
was vice president of the union, and I was actively
involved in all the negotiations and great great experience, but
it was Yeah, that was just kind of a whirlwind.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
You know.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
We went, we played two games, and then we went
on strike for fifty seven days, right, and then they
then you ended up we played. I think they ended
up because the owners kept saying we're going to cancel
the season, We're going to season, but they ended up
salvaging the season. We had nine games total and we
ended up being the number one seed. And then that
was the first ever I think sixteen teams made it

(15:02):
into the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
They got the Super Bowl. Yeah, so we had three straight.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
Home games and then you know, I ended up going
to Pasadena and beating Miami in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Well, being a player rep is tough because I remember
when James Laughton was our player repeh when I was
in Green Bay, and I can remember, for some strange reason,
all of a sudden, white coats came into our locker room.
They want to do a year analysis test, little season randomly,
just random ye, and Forrest, everybody's going in. We're going

(15:36):
in the back room where everybody's being and then James.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Goes, no, we're not.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, I got en up.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
No one for me anything.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Nobody's no, no, nobody's moving so like, and Forrest never
came into the locker room. This is one of a
few times that he actually then had to come in
the locker room and says, yeah, we're peeing, and James says, no,
we're not. I haven't heard, and they and it with
James come to my office.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
And so we're just sitting there just waiting to see
the verdict.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
So James didn't come back down to the locker room, goes,
we're not peing until I hear otherwise. So if they
want to go to practice, we'll go to practice, but
we're not. So that that's a tough thing to navigate.
Well back then, now, were you.

Speaker 5 (16:24):
Guys playing in eighty seven or that was before you
that was yes, we were, yes, because in eighty seven
I was working at the NFL PA. Yes, and I
remember I went up to Green Bay and did a
team visit and getting through because remember there was a
lockout and yes even yes, yes, yes, but anyway, I
remember working with James.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah, but that was a tough dynamic to be the
rep and then to oh to try to hold everybody
accountable and then you're responsible to all the players.

Speaker 5 (16:53):
And back then, especially in eighty two if you were
if you were the player rep, you were viewed as
a radical.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yes, he was a trouble maker.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, yeah, I tried to get the rookies to join.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
I'll tell you the story that.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
So the owner of the the owner of the Redskins
was a man named Jack can Cook. Wealthy, wealthy man. So, uh,
we're we had they used to have a welcome home luncheon.
So after training camp we'd come back from Carlisle, and
so everybody was kind of focused on you know, there
could be a strike here, and so the luncheon Jack

(17:28):
and Cook goes. Mark Murphy is a fine young man,
but I do not want him as my partner. So
we're all who but you know, I mean it's and
so what we and at give I give that Ed
Garvey and Gene upshow credits so that the rallying cry

(17:51):
was percentage of the gross. Yes, I wanted a percentage
of we wanted a percentage of the revenue. And it's
funny now we have it and we all all celebrated.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, no question, the CB is it's hard, especially when
you think about the guys who're playing before you. But
you you guys really laid the groundwork.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
But to be where they are now, don't think I
have it.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
I don't like about your marden. Y'all beat my Cowboys.
Growing up.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
A huge cowboy, I gotta nineteen eighty two, so and
that was a huge rivalry. Yeah yeah, well you know
rfk rfk rfk, phenomenal, unbelievable atmosphere.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
Grace. Yeah, by the way, whatever they have now, I
don't know what to name. I don't know what is
the worst. Yeah, yeah, that.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
Actually it's just the worst. So in uh, in nineteen
eighty two, we're, you know, the number one seed. So
we win our second playoff game, and we know that
we're going to host the Cowboys, and so I think
we're beaten. I think we beat the Lions and the
same in second round of the playoffs. I'll never forget

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looking up in the stands and all of our fans
started chatting, we want Dallas.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
The leachers there because it was an old baseball stay
and Dallas. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
And then so then next week we play Dallas and
before the game, our fans start changing, we want Dallas again.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
Wow, And it was I looked at that and I thought,
there's no way we're losing.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Right, what was it called the NFCA.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
There was five teams and.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, right, yeah, because we had Tampa at one point, yes,
and was Central, Yeah it was.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
I couldn't call it North Yeah that yeah, now that
but the Redskins Cowboys that was That's.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
That was it. Yeah, I mean just one of the
biggest things.

Speaker 5 (19:51):
You're too young, but like Roger Staubach, what a phenomenal player.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Now that's the go to me.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah, yeah, I knew only twenty I was not. I
was the first time finalists, was first time finals the
Hall of Fame. I kind of knew I wasn't getting in,
but I saw the goat getting out of a car.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
Sometimes sat box with it.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Sometimes, well my hero was Drew Pearson. That's my hero.
But sometimes when you meet guys, it can go bad.
They're not real nice.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
Oh, Roger, it's great.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
I go up to him, I.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Said, mister Starbuck, I just it say hey, Leroy, congratulations
of being a final I just melted.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
I thought that I was talking, but it was so nice.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
It was just the nicest guy. It meant a lot
to me.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
And I told my wife that Gary, I don't care
if I get in, never think you'll see people you
root for and now you know he was getting out
of car. He could have easily said, now get away
from me, but he was very nice. So you basically
go from that to be a president.

Speaker 5 (21:06):
It was.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
Trained.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
How that transition that you go to.

Speaker 5 (21:12):
That, well you know that, Yeah, that I'm a union leader. Yeah,
and then on management the other side. So you training,
but there were probably over twenty years in between. So
I was a lawyer for the Justice Department for about
five years, and then I was the athletic director Kolgate
for twelve, yes, and then athletic director in Northwestern for

(21:34):
five years.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Talk about Northwestern real quick, because that was a transition obviously,
from Northwestern to year.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Yes, you were there for how long? Five football season?
Five season?

Speaker 2 (21:45):
And then.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Did you have interest all along that you knew that
you wanted to be where you are at this point?

Speaker 2 (21:51):
No.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
I was very happy as a college athletic director. Loved
loved it at Northwestern. Yes, you know, car I love Calgate,
but you know it's kind of at Colgate. I was
almost twelve years. You know, I think it felt like
I accomplished as much as I was gonna able to do,
and it was it was exciting to go to a
higher level, the Big Ten when they actually had ten teams.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
We got to make the money. Everybody make money, Jesus.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
But yeah, no, in Northwestern I wasn't looking to leave,
but uh, you know, when the opportunity and I give
a man named Jed Hughes, he handled the search for
the Packers.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
Yes, well, of course, you know, I.

Speaker 5 (22:36):
Think if John Jones, John Jones was was all set
to become the president and he had health issues.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Yeah, so then they.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
Opened it up and Jed was running the search and
he and I had gotten to know each other over
the years both he was a coach in the NFL,
coached for the Vikings and kind of the same time
that I was playing with the Redskins. So I had
a lot of a lot of common interests and yeah,
so we had a lot in common. And he called

(23:03):
me out and said, you know, I'm doing search for
the Packers. Would be be interested? And I was like, well,
of course, thinking you know, it's a long shot. But
you know, as I think, what really helped me and
this kind of the irony is I think my involvement
with the union. It's very valuable because uh, the league

(23:25):
was heading into a situation where I was likely going
to have negotiations, I think, coming up to the end
of collective bargain. So I think that my experience, so
I think that my experience was a real benefit. But
uh yeah, yeah. So it wasn't like I went in
the union. So so, I mean basically I was I

(23:47):
was in management as an ad for did they call
you or did you reach out to the Packers? Okay,
but you trying to be president one day?

Speaker 4 (23:57):
No, I'm good, I'm good. Mark.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Well I'm going to be governor. Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah, and then of course we speak through what But
but Mark, when you got here, it was a lot
going on.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
I mean you well, yeah, I wasn't real five, right,
I mean you didn't just lay up.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
Well you're right. Well, I'll tell you. So I started
at the end. I ended up starting right at the
end of the two thousand and seventh season, right, yes,
And uh, you know, the.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
Packers are hosting the NFC Championship. I think we're gonna
go to the Super Bowl. My first week's on the job.
Then God is good.

Speaker 5 (24:38):
But obviously we end out a month later, you know,
far announce his retirement.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
So right away.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
I'm thinking, all right, well we're gonna let's set up,
we're gonna retire his number, let's let's celebrate him, and
we install Aaron Rodgers as is starting. But do you
want to come back then about ju It was right
before we were about to go on the two K tour. Yeah,
perfect timing. We get a call from fire and he says,
I got an inch.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
Thin, No way, what do you mean because I mentioned
to play everything.

Speaker 5 (25:21):
So uh, yeah, obviously you know, we end up trading
into the jets.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
And but he flew he very back, yes, because I
think and I thought I saw him up into Yeah,
he was up.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
He was in for the shareholder, Yes, so he was level.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
They knew that that would put on I think what
they wanted they wanted to pressure us into just releasing it.
And I mean our thought was, well, there'sn't still value, right,
I think we ended up getting a pretty good draft.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
You did, Yeah, but Mike, uh and of course we
we thought Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Was but yeah, you know you never know, that's right.
But Mike said, the train has left the station. That's
a T shirt. Hold the station and and to boot
the interception.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Oh you're thinking, so Ted got to do something, He's
put on a tough spot.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
And then the jest thing happened pretty quickly.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
And then now you give Aaron the keys to the franchise,
you can't take them back.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
It's like a sixteen year old you can go drive wait, wait,
give me the keys back out of my dead cold hands.

Speaker 5 (26:36):
But really split well it did, I'd say, majority of
the fans, well, you know, look at all he's done
for the organization. Bring him back, let him compete with Aaron,
you know. But you know, I think, uh, I look
back on it, I think that was a challenging time,
but it really forced uh, the three of us to

(26:56):
work very closely together. Well and also Russ Baul but
you know, Ted, Mike and I and we were all
on the same page.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Listen, ye rus Ball, you don't talk about rus baller, No,
we don't rus Ball story. But uh, well I'm a
bigger rest ball I love. But getting back to that,
because there was much made of Mark, the the hierarchy. Yeah,
now traditional.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
Okay, we got a podcast. We love what we do.
You know, we're not really in the media. All the
media people like, what's Mark thinking? So why is he
this man, do what you want to do. It's it's
different than what we've seen. Change is hard.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
So when your thought of the hierarchy came into play,
what was your thinking, Well.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
That was when the change was made.

Speaker 5 (27:52):
Yeah, And my thought was, you know, Brian Gootens is
a relatively goo goody who's phenomenal job, but a relatively
young general manager, so to take off and you know,
and quite honestly, I'd supervised and uh, you know, worked

(28:13):
with coaches for a long time, not only football coaches,
but you know, all different kinds of head coaches for
many years. So it wasn't an ego play. I just
thought it was better for the organization. Uh, so that
Brian could really focus on football and draft the draft
and making personnel moves. And you know, it's it's been

(28:36):
so it's been in place since we hired Matt. Now
I think Matt's going into a seventeer.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
It's hard to believe it's been that long.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah,

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