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October 24, 2025 โ€ข 28 mins
Summary
In this conversation, Peter discusses the current state of the crypto markets, focusing on the rise of ETFs and their implications for institutional investors and retail users. He explores the potential of Bitcoin DeFi through Cardano, the integration of decentralized domains, and the role of AI in trading. The conversation also touches on the importance of stablecoins in the ecosystem, user onboarding experiences, and the customization of NFTs, concluding with a call for community support.


Chapters
00:00 Current State of Crypto Markets and ETFs
02:50 Institutional Interest and Market Manipulation
05:59 Bitcoin DeFi and Cardano's Role
09:08 Decentralized Domains and Web3 Integration
12:02 AI in Trading and Automation
14:54 Gaming and Crypto: Cornucopius to Infinity Rising
17:48 Stablecoins and Cardano's Sovereign Wealth Fund
21:07 Onboarding Users in Crypto
23:54 NFT Customization and Community Engagement
27:08 Closing Thoughts and Community Support

Takeaways
Crypto markets are currently struggling but show potential with new ETFs.
ETFs can simplify entry into crypto for institutional investors.
Diversified crypto baskets can reduce individual asset risk.
The rise of ETFs may centralize access to decentralized systems.
Bitcoin lacks smart contracts, limiting its DeFi capabilities.
Cardano aims to enhance Bitcoin's utility through DeFi.
Decentralized domains could bridge traditional web and blockchain.
AI trading bots can automate and improve trading efficiency.
User onboarding experiences are crucial for attracting new crypto users.
NFT customization fosters community engagement and creativity.






DISCLAIMER: This content is for informational and educational purposes only and is not financial, investment, or legal advice. I am not affiliated with, nor compensated by, the project discussedโ€”no tokens, payments, or incentives received. I do not hold a stake in the project, including private or future allocations. All views are my own, based on public information. Always do your own research and consult a licensed advisor before investing. Crypto investments carry high risk, and past performance is no guarantee of future results. I am not responsible for any decisions you make based on this content.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The crypto markets aren't looking so good at the moment,
but there is a glimmer of hope here. With more
and more ETFs coming to the market, means more institutional
investors are going to have their hands on crypto assets,
and I'm going to look at what that potentially means
for all of us retail users out here that are
holding these crypto assets. I'll also be looking into what

(00:22):
is happening around Bitcoin DeFi, and also a whole bunch
of news stories around projects that are building in the
crypto space.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Let's get to it.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
I'm Peter, and if this is your first time here,
and make sure you hit that thumbs up like subscribe
notification bell on your way in works the algorithm, all
that stuff, So I really appreciate it if you take
a moment and hit that like button and I'll keep
you up to date with everything that's happening in the
crypto space. But the first news story here is this
one about pro Shares Trust submitting another ETF filing. Now,

(00:53):
this one here is the coin Desk Crypto twenty ETF.
So this particular ETF here, we'll be tracking the top
twenty tokens within the ecosystem, and this doesn't include stable
coins or meme coins, so it's the ones with a
lot of liquidity a lot of users behind them as well.

(01:14):
So I'm pretty excited about this one because anyone that
is coming into the crypto space and doesn't know what
to look into, these ETFs make it really easy for
them to come in with a large amount of money
and start getting some exposure to the cryptocurrency space. So
this is a really cool thing. It was submitted on
the twentieth of October here, so we may still have

(01:36):
a bit of time before this one gets past the SEC,
but this is definitely another avenue for more crypto investors
and especially the big financial institutions to be able to
get into the crypto markets.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Pro shares themselves, they already have a few ETFs, They
had the Bitcoin ETF back in I think it was
twenty twenty one, that have Ether, Solana, and xip all
at the moment, but this one here will just give
that bigger exposure to the rest of the cryptocurrency space. Now,
this article here from coin gate gives you a little
bit more insight about the particular product that they're launching

(02:10):
and about pro shares as well. So for those that
don't know, here's a little bit of insight for you guys.
Having launched its most popular product, Bitcoined Futures ETF in
twenty twenty one, the company keeps on adding more crypto
related investment products. The new filing indicates rising institutional interests
in a diversified crypto baskets to reduce the volatility of

(02:32):
individual assets. And that's what I was saying before. Having
an index or a basket of tokens to get into
really reduces the amount of risk and exposure you have
to one single currency. Maybe something like Solata goes down
for ten days and absolutely tanks that particular token, and
as a result, the price of it goes down, and
if you're heavily exposed to that, you would lose a

(02:55):
lot of money. So having a diversified basket will help
reduce that kind of risk. That's really really important. If
you're interested in reading the article, or put a link
down below for you guys who can learn a little
bit more about what's going on there.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Now.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
The downside to all of this is that it is
starting to centralize the access to a decentralized system. Here
the whole point of crypto was that we are trying
to get away from the banks, away from the institutions
here and be in control of our own financial sovereignty.

(03:28):
And giving these brokerages access with ETFs to bring in
institutional funds. Sure it means potentially more money into the
ecosystem in crypto in general, that could also mean that
they can dump on us at any time they want.
We're seeing more and more market manipulation. We can see
the crypto markets being tanked dramatically after a pump or something.

(03:53):
You know, some leader of a particular country would say
something about I don't know what it is about bitcoin,
it suddenly spikes and then you see a massive sell
off afterwards, or you see someone shortening the market based
on some news that it was about.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
To come out.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
So we're seeing all this type of manipulation, and the
institutions now have access to this type of volatile assets
to be able to make quick money off, and that's
one thing I have a massive problem with. So I
know a lot of people really excited to see all
these ETFs, but I am very wary because it gives

(04:33):
institutional investors with massive amounts of money to extract liquidity
from the retail users. Leave a comment down below let
me know what you guys think about that. Is the
institutional investors a good thing for cryptospace or should it
be left in the hands of retail users. Now Here
is a bit of a visual to give you guys

(04:54):
an idea of potentially what you could look into when
doing your research. Across the top now the top ten here.
Out of them, there are three that have a fixed
supply of assets. That means they're not printing.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
More of those assets.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
It's a deflationary currency, like the fiat currency is the
US dollar, the Australian dollar where I am, they can
print more at any time they want. Remember COVID, they
printed money like crazy and it caused a massive amount inflation.
And that's what we're experiencing now. These currencies here, Ada, BTC,
and XIP, they have a fixed supply, meaning that there

(05:34):
won't be any more of these tokens in the future ever.
And as we see the scarcity of it come into
play into the markets, we see the price of these
particular tokens go up. So when you're looking at the
particular tokens that you may want to get into, this
is a consideration that you might want to think about

(05:55):
other tokens such as ether from Ethereum, soul from Slanna.
They don't have a fixed supply of tokens and they
continuously inflate over the years, So in twenty years time,
there may be so many more of those tokens that
has devalued the worth of those particular assets. So it's

(06:16):
something to think about here when you're looking into the token.
So my money, my bet personally myself is into the
fixed supply currencies for that deflationary aspect of them. I'll
make sure I'll leave a comment down blow for you guys,
so you know which ones have a fixed supply, but
please also do research behind that. The next topic I
want to talk about here is bitcoin DeFi. So Bitcoin

(06:40):
is one of the assets that everyone knows about in
the cryptocurrency space, but it is one of those older
ones that doesn't really do anything. Bitcoin doesn't have smart
contracts directly, unlike Ethereum, Solanadano or the other chains out
there that you can do something with those assets. We
have programmable money coin doesn't have that. But Cadana is

(07:02):
coming into the picture here to deliver bitcoin DeFi decentralized finance.
And this is a comment here from Brandon Wolf, who's
the general manager of Lace Wallet. Lace wallet is an
absolutely brilliant wallet to use. It's a multi chained wallet.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Here.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
I'll put links down below for you guys again so
you can check it out. I'm not sponsored by them
or anything, but check it out. But I just want
to play this so you get a bit of an
insight into what's happening around the Bitcoin DeFi space.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
My name is Brandon Wolf. I'm the general manager of
the lace wallet. Within input output, Bitcoin DeFi is a
very exciting opportunity that we'res undertaking to unlock the massive
value and power of bitcoin by using cardono as a
computational layer. Bitcoin has been traditionally a bridge of value
by using.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Sorry, I just had to stop it. There is Brandon's
set up here is amazing. That computer setup, but not
just the computer setup, but the background here his studio
is amazing. Sorry, let me just continue playing that additional layer.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Bitcoin has been traditionally a storage of value. By using
a Bitcoin DeFi framework that we're putting together, it allows
users to then unlock the storage value that and put
it to use for yielding, staking, lending and borrowing. I
think bitcoin DeFi it plays a lot into Charles Hoskinson
vision of how to bring the type of volume and
liquidity into the cardono ecosystem that is really going to

(08:21):
be helpful to the end users. As a driver of
the Lace wallet, we're always focused on the end users
and how users can adopt this. By bringing bitcoin DeFi
to then we essentially move the power away from the
banks who take your money, deposit it, use it for
lending and borrowing, and then also take money on top
of that, and we put that back into the hands
of the users. It very much follows Charles's decentralized vision
of the world. I have a lot of hobbies. I

(08:42):
think one of the most surprising is that I do paaramotoring,
which is flying around in the sky with a two
stroke motor on your back and a canopy and it's
just you and a chair in the sky and it's amazing.
It gives me the freedom that I love. I've always
been fascinated with with flight and it's a bit of
a workout, but it's something that brings me a lot
of happiness. Bitcoin DeFi aligns with my personal value of
self determination and the freedom of choice. Bitcoin defive solves

(09:05):
a long standing interoperability issue with a clear philosophical goal
in mind, putting power back into the hands of the
asset holder.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Now I love that, putting the power back into the
hands of the asset holder. So, like I was saying before,
the Bitcoin ETFs, the crypto ETFs gives exposure to the
institutional investors. Sure, there's a lot of money coming in,
a lot of a lot of investment there, but it
takes away that power from the retail user, the r

(09:37):
own hands. So it's interesting here to see what the
team are building, and hopefully we do see more of this.
I didn't get to token twenty forty nine to see
what they were doing here, but we'll see more and
more of this bitcoin layer being built on top of
cadano so that we can actually see DeFi borrowing, lending,
and all these other really cool aspects bitcoin holders can

(10:02):
do on a DeFi layer. Now you think, okay, why
would you want this? Why would you want bitcoin? It's
a very valuable asset. You can just hold it and
eventually the value of it go up. But what if
you could hold it but then also stake it to
a smart contract or lend it out potentially maybe just

(10:23):
a small portion of it where you can actually earn
some more revenue from it. So it unlocks that level
of liquidity that you have there. Sure you're holding onto it, Well,
what are you doing with it? You're just going to
hold onto it for another ten years. If you hold
onto it but then earn some revenue off it, at
the same time, you're still holding onto it, you still
control your asset, but you actually can unlock that value

(10:46):
and earn some revenue off it. So that's the whole
idea of the defile side of things. That's why a
lot of people play around with decentralized finance on all
these blockchains. So you can have these assets and you
can actually do something with it other than just staking it.
You can put it into a brain lending protocol, there's
so many different things, but it gives you those opportunities.
And that's why this is so exciting because there's a

(11:07):
lot of bitcoin holders out there that just don't know
what to do with their assets and having the bitcoin
defile layer and Cadana is going to do some amazing things.
So do check out that video. There's there's more to it,
but I'll put the links to all that's lace wallet
and everything else, so if you want to learn more,
you can do. So. This new story here I thought
was really interesting, and this was from the Kadana Foundation

(11:30):
bringing in potentially bring in top level domains for dot
aida and dot cardano so I can This is the
big international body that looks after all the domain names
in the world such as dot com, dot org, dot info, etcetera.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
You know all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
So they open up submissions so that you can add
in brand new domains such as potentially dot aida or kadano.
So if you are wanting someone like this.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
This is when you submit in. It costs a lot
of money.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
It has a centralized player out there that controls and
manages all these particular aspects. You need that centralized database
for this. So the idea here is that the Kadana Foundation,
I think this is what I think they're doing.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
They're trying to bridge.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
The Web two space, which is the general web as
we see it now with the Web three the blockchain
side of things, and giving users exposure to a potential
domain name like this that exposes them to the crypto
space is a big marketing play to try and reach
retail and regular users that don't know much about blockchain,

(12:45):
so it gives them that extra reach of marketing out there.
So I thought this was a pretty interesting idea. Now
at the moment, it's being submitted as a proposal on
chain for part of the governance in the Cadana eCos
system as an INFO action, and this is just purely
to gauge interest from the community and see if there's

(13:06):
enough support for it. If it doesn't make it past
this info action, it probably won't make it to the
stage where they actually put in a finalized proposal to
withdraw money from the treasury to make this happen. So
we'll see how this one goes. I'm not too sure
if it will get through, but there is a lot
of interest around it now. There is a bit of

(13:26):
Web three tech behind this as well, and the guys
from blink Labs. Chris Here is a founder of blink Labs.
I do have an interview lined up with him later
tonight where we're going to talk about some of the
tech that is behind this to make it actually happen
in a decentralized way. So, Chris Here, let me just
read this out for you for the audio listeners. We

(13:47):
have been working as advisors with the CF on this
for months. We're excited to see this announcement and now
we can integrate it with our decentralized DNS service powered
by Kadana ant funded by Eye Catalyst. It's always DNS,
so this ties into something called handshake. And if you

(14:08):
want to learn more about the technical aspects around this,
watch that interview coming up as soon as it's released.
I'll put it down the show notes below, but you'll
be able to get a better understanding of how the
decentralized aspects, how it ties into Cadano, and how we
could potentially have a domain name powered by blockchain all

(14:28):
tied back into the Cadana ecosystem. So this is pretty
interesting stuff. This new story here ties into AI and trading,
and this is something I'm playing around with myself. I
set up my own trading bot to automate some trades
on the Cadana blockchain and it's doing fairly well. It's
not making me millions of Ada, but it's definitely generating

(14:49):
a bit of revenue and I kind of like it.
But this one here, this is what decimalist has been
working on for months, and this is a GENTI. Yeah,
you may have seen this on X It engages automatically
with a lot of users on X, but this is
their AI trading bot and they've built a dashboard that

(15:12):
you can use. You can set up the bot and
it will automatically trade based on various market conditions and
its own AI algorithms, and from what I understand, it's
doing really well.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Now.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
I do have an interview lined up with Decimalists next
week where he's going to go through the platform and
we're going to get a better understanding of how to
use it, how it works, what's under the hood, and
what potential outcomes you can get from it by using
the platform itself. So I'm pretty excited about that. I
started in the crypto space back in twenty seventeen and

(15:48):
I worked with a team to build a crypto trading bot,
and that was the whole idea of it. Crypto is
a twenty four hour thing, seven days a week, three
sixty five days a year, so you need to be
always on. And when I was trying to trade back then,
it really burnt me out being up at three am,
four am here in Australia. Trying to trade against or

(16:11):
with the markets in the US and Europe was pretty
much impossible, so having some automation behind it really really helped.
And this is something I'm really excited about. So we'll
see how this one goes and watch that.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Interview as well.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
I think you'll learn quite a bit about the platform
and probably a little bit more about AI trading as well.
So really excited about that one. This is a shout
up for the team at Cornucopius. They're building an absolutely
amazing game. This is a Tier one Triple A game
that is built on Unity five. I think it's Unity five.
I think that's the engine. So it looks absolutely amazing.

(16:47):
But they've gone through a massive rebrand from Cornucopias to
Infinity Rising. I think that's a brilliant name change. I
never really liked Cornucopius in the beginning the name, but
in Finishy Rising, I think encompasses the feel of the
game and everything else around it. If you haven't seen it,

(17:08):
put a links down blow so you can get a
bit of an idea about what Cornucopius is. But that
is a really cool name change, and hopefully I can
get the guys also on a podcast interviews so we
can get a big update about everything that's happening. But Josh,
who is another Dono content creator, he covers a lot
in infinishy Rising, so i'll put links down blow to

(17:29):
his latest video that goes over the big updates that
they've done.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Now.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Over the previous weekend, there was a really big event
in Barcelona. It was in Barcelona, somewhere in Spain. It
was a new Lunar event and there were a lot
of people there and one of the cool things that
I saw was a brand new crypto card from Jero Wallet.
So this is another card that's been pulled out there
that will allow you to spend your crypto assets directly

(17:53):
from the wallet. I kind of like this one from
what I've seen. You can fund your desktop wallet in Jerro,
then have the card so you can use it and
start paying for things all over the place. They have
cash back systems and all sorts of things, so it's
quite a good ecosystem to play around with. I'm going
to dig into that one a little bit more and
if I find something really cool, I'll start creating video

(18:16):
tours for you guys. So if you haven't tried out
Jerro watt or if you're a big fan, please let
me know down below. Should I do video to toils
on it? I think it looks pretty good. And being
able to have a debit card to actually spend your
cryptocurrency from every now and then when you need to
might be a good thing. So check that one out, guys. Now,

(18:36):
one of the big things in crypto is stable coins.
If you don't have a large amount of stable coin
liquidity within the ecosystem DeFi and everything else, it's just
that little bit harder. You look at Ethereum, you look
at Solana, they all have really big stable coin ecosystems.
In fact, their TVL is probably higher in stable coins

(18:59):
than their own token, and that is a really important thing. Kadano,
on the other side, doesn't have a big, big exposure
to all of these stable coins, and for all various
different reasons that we could probably dig into but never
find out the truth about, we are just lacking in

(19:19):
the attractiveness to pull in players like Tether and Circle
onto the chain. So what the community has done is
put together a Kadano Sovereign Wealth Fund. Now, this is
pulling in treasury funds from the Cardana Treasury and putting
it into their own wealth fund to try and help

(19:40):
stimulate the stable coin defy ecosystem. So this is the
Interim Cardano Sovereign Wealth Fund Committee. There are a lot
of Kadano names out there and some really good experience
in the ecosystem in general. But they'll be forming the
group now to try and attract more stable coins to
the the ecosystem. I know a lot of the treasury

(20:03):
withdrawal that they're going for will be used to stimulate
the ecosystem in general, So they'll be minting I think USDM,
USDA probably as well maybe some other ones in the
Cadana ecosystem, but then using that to hopefully attract more
stable coin liquidity. So good luck to the team. I'm
really happy that this one passed, and we'll see how

(20:25):
they go. I'll keep an eye on this one and
I'll update you guys. But this is a really interesting experiment.
We don't have the liquidity, we don't have that exposures
to stable coins. Can this be the tipping point for
the ecosystem? Fingers crossed, guys. I really hope it is
a few more news stories for you guys. Now, this
one's about onboarding users. And I've used a lot of

(20:48):
platforms now across different ecosystems, and probably my favorite onboarding
experience recently was on Solana. And this is earned from
the super team dot fund, So I earned dot Fund
and this is a content creation platform out there where
projects will put up bounties. This bounty here you can see,

(21:08):
is twenty thousand USDC and if you go through this
particular bounty, create some This one's a hacker on, but
there's other ones where they'll ask you to create a
video do some content creation for them, and aware you go,
you could potentially get into that bounty and win and

(21:28):
get that to one thousand USDC. So it's a really
nice platform. But the onboarding process of it, I thought
was absolutely amazing. If you're not a part of a
content creator or part of the Slana ecosystem, just give
this one a go. You can sign up using your
email and just authenticate you through, create yourself a Salanna

(21:49):
wallet in the back end, and be controlled on the website.
But you can use those funds that you earned from
the platform and send it anywhere else. So it's a
really nice and smooth onboarding experience, and that only took
like a few seconds to really get in there and
start getting into the platform and being on chain as well.
Now this here is an equivalent experience on the curve

(22:13):
Dino blockchain and jingles here he has put together a
very similar experience. And I'll just open up this video
so you can see what's going on here. But here
we are, we're logging into the website using connect wallet,
so tapping into sign and his signing in with his
Discord account. So a lot of us in the crypto
space we have X accounts, we have Discord, we have Gmail,

(22:35):
whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
And using that.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Type of authentication in this case a pass key, which
we're all used to using in the web two space
to then log into a crypto platform, I think is
really really important. A lot of times when you sign
up for a brand new crypto wallet, you have to
sign up for a brand new wallet, open up, download
the application you're on desk or mobile, you have to

(23:01):
create a brand new seed phrase, you have to save
that seed phrase somewhere, keep it secure. This here allows
you to do it all via an existing log in
and using pass keys. Pass keys are a really secure
way of logging into any of the platforms. So I
thought this was absolutely brilliant to see. And I think

(23:21):
this is just being built recently, so hopefully it goes
out into production and we'll be able to use ourselves
in some of the websites that we built. So this
is really cool tech and in terms of onboarding users
essential the faster, the easier, the less friction that we
have there, the more chance we have.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
To onboard users.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
You don't want to be at a conference and you're
doing a giveaway of an NFT and you go, yeah,
I'll send you the NFT from my wallet to yours.
Oh you don't have one, great, Okay, go away for
half an hour, I'll set up your wallet, come back
and I'll can send it to you. That is not
the type experience that you want for a new person
coming into the crypto space. You just want to them
to come to the website entering that email address which

(24:03):
they should have, and then that will automatically on board themselves.
So that is a brilliant user experience and I can't
wait to see more of that. Now.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
A couple more new stories for you guys here.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
This is just a bit of fun, but Intersect have
put out a way to create your own Claymate and
mint it as an NFT. So this is build your
own Claymates NFT and you can see here you can
customize the NFT, the background, the skin, the clothing, whatever
it might be, and then you can mint that on
chain and have that as your PfP or a profile

(24:37):
picture on whatever platform using So these claymates they were
minting years back, four years now, and they saw it
out a massive collection and that was really cool. I
absolutely loved that. But now you can actually mint your own,
design your own and customize it to however you like.
So this is really cool. Links down blow for you guys.

(24:59):
I don't think the mint is too expensive. Let me
just check it. If I can find the link. You
can see all these other people that have minted there.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
There's here.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
No, I can't see the link at the moment, but
when I find out, I'll put a link down below
and might do a little demo as well of how
it actually works. But I thought that was really cool,
and try it out for yourselves. If it's not too
expensive and you have the spare aida, go ahead mint one.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Otherwise, save you aider.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
It's a bit of a bear marker at the moment,
so might be better spent elsewhere. Now this last one here,
this is just for anyone else that is wanting to
have interviews on this podcast. Previously I had an NFT
gated paywall to get to the booking form. That is,
you'd have to have this particular NFT. You could dine

(25:46):
apress Wapoo, which is my NFTY collection. I didn't sell
too many of them, only sold about two hundred and
sixty or so, but that particular NFT you need to
have in your wallet then connect to that website to
be able to make a booking. Now there aren't too
many people that do book interviews, but I thought it
might be a good idea to put this paywall back

(26:08):
up so that people start purchasing these NFTs again. Now
they're going for really cheap. You can see here this
one here is only five eight or so roughly five
Australian dollars less in USD so it's not too expensive
to get that up and running, and then putting the
paywall back in and then people if they want to

(26:29):
come in and book an interview, sure, go ahead. I
want your opinion. Should I put this back on or
should I just make it frictionless and just go to
the form. I've got to think of ways to actually
try and generate some revenue and give some value back
to these holders of these NFTs. So if I could
open that up again, maybe the price will increase.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Not too sure.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
I'm not the biggest NFTY collection type of guy. Managing
these NFTY collections and being the owner of them is
fairly new to me still, so love your opinion, guys.
I'd love to crowdsource some ideas. Let me know in
the comments down below. If you do want to get one,
you can get one at jpigs store. Like I said,

(27:12):
this one's all for really cheap, but the floor price
for other ones are a little bit higher. Better From
time to time you can get one for dirt cheap.
Now that's it for this particular podcast update. Thank you
guys for watching to the end here, and thank you
so much for the support. If you haven't hit that
thumbs up yet, please do. And if you want to
be a really big supporter, you can also be a

(27:34):
channel member. The channel members get early access to various
bits of content. I got all these interviews backed up,
and you guys as members get access.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
To all of them first.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
I've also got links now to Patreon and buy me
a Coffee, so there's other platforms that you can tap
into to try and support the channel as well. So
anything that you guys can do very much appreciate it.
I'll see you guys in the next one

Speaker 3 (28:01):
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