June 13, 2024 • 44 mins
Grammy nominated and multi-platinum selling musician and singer John Ford Coley, best known as one half of the '70's duo England Dan and John Ford Coley. Their hits included:
I'd Really Love to See You Tonight, We'll Never Have to Say Goodbye, and Love is the Answer.
Listen to the show to the end and hear John's philosophy of Eat, Drink and Be Merry.
HEAR HIS PHILOSOPHY ABOUT "LET HER EAT THE DAMN PIECE OF CHOCOLATE."
John Ford Coley debuts Sketches Volume 1 with songs recorded throughout his storied career, but never released until 2021 including "Falling" which he wrote with former bandmate Dan Seals before he died in 2009.
In partnersbhip with Starvista Music, three additional albums are digitally released featuring "Long Way Home (Live in Israel and L.A.) and the Very Best of John Ford Coley.
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I'd Really Love to See You Tonight, We'll Never Have to Say Goodbye, and Love is the Answer.
Listen to the show to the end and hear John's philosophy of Eat, Drink and Be Merry.
HEAR HIS PHILOSOPHY ABOUT "LET HER EAT THE DAMN PIECE OF CHOCOLATE."
John Ford Coley debuts Sketches Volume 1 with songs recorded throughout his storied career, but never released until 2021 including "Falling" which he wrote with former bandmate Dan Seals before he died in 2009.
In partnersbhip with Starvista Music, three additional albums are digitally released featuring "Long Way Home (Live in Israel and L.A.) and the Very Best of John Ford Coley.
Stream/listen to Sketches Vol. 1: lnk.to/JFCSketchesVol1
Stream/listen to Eclectic: lnk.to/JFCEclectic
Stream/listen to Long Way Home (Live): lnk.to/JFCLongWayHomeLive
Stream/listen to The Very Best of John Ford Coley: lnk.to/TheVeryBestofJohnFordColey
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/legends-extraordinary-lives--5351541/support.
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the easy way around. And lightof the world shine on me, Lodes
and welcome back to Success made thelast Legends. I'm Rick Tokinny. The
show is brought to you by gracefulof yours greeting cards along with the right
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one. Hey. On today's show, we have one fantastic guest. It's
Grammy nominated in multi platinum selling artistJohn Ford Coley, best known for his
early career work as one half ofthe seventies duo England Dan and john Ford
Coley. Their hits included I'd reallylove to see you tonight, We'll never
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have to say goodbye again, andlove is the Answer. As you heard
in the intro. Music Today,he's here to talk about his latest album,
Sketches, Volume one, that willbe available for streaming now on Star
Vista Music, and you're going toreally enjoy the songs. We'll also be
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talking to him about the special lastsong that he wrote with Dan Seals called
Falling. John Ford Coley, Welcometo Success, Legends, Thank you very
much. Nice to be here andtell us your background story, including where
are you from. Originally, OriginallyI came from Dallas, Texas. I
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say that I was about twenty one. Then I moved to Los Angeles with
Dan and my wife, and therest is just kind of, you know,
boring all along the way. Youknow, I just bumbled and stumbled,
and you know, here ended uphere. You're from Dallas, I'm
from Sherman. What part of Dallasare you from? Exactly? I was
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over in Pleasant Grove, over kindof close to Mesquite. You're in Sherman.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,Okay, I just went through there
the other night, going to thecasino. Well, I'm glad that you
hopefully didn't get stopped by the localcops. Well, fortunately enough, I've
been pretty good about that. Youknow, I just telling my Texas history,
and I've got the accents I getby. I just love that.
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Who were your early musical influencers growingup in a Pleasant Grove? You know,
when I was a kid, Iwas trained classically, So I'm in
bach In, Beethoven and Chopin andpeople like that. I played classical music,
gosh, and competitions and stuff.So I was about fifteen, and
then I got into the band withDan, and then I was hit a
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whole other influence of people, peoplelike Buffalo Springfield and you know, the
Young Rascals and the Beach Boys.I've always been a fan of the Beach
Boys, so we had that rockand roll kind of an influence. Then
Dan and I we would follow thetrends. So one time we're playing you
know, the Righteous Brothers type music, and then we're thrown into the soul
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era with Wilson Pickett, and thenyou've got the Black Latin Parachutes, the
psychedelic stuff. So we just kindof would go with the trends. But
Dan and I actually ended believe itor not, we ended up playing fusion
jazz, so I mean, youknow, we were kind of serious players.
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Dan played sacks, I played piano, and we were just changed with
the band and ended up opening upfor a lot of people like Led Zeppelin
or Three Dog Night or Vanilla Fudgeand Paul Revere and the Raiders. We
just kind of went, you know, with whatever was available. Truly amazing
and what is for our listening audience, Tell them what jazz means to you
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and what in the world is fusionjazz. Well, it's kind of like
there was a lot of time changes. So there was a lot of nights
and various chords that were not justyour regular one, three, five chords.
You know, like a C chord, it would be a C with
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a D and maybe you know anadage sixth or something like that. It's
all musician talk, but so itwasn't just your regular basic keyboard stuff.
It was went along. See,I had a piano teacher that wanted to
teach me to play. You wantedme to do the competitions with him,
and I said, okay, goodif I will do that, if you'll
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teach me rock and roll because heplayed in the band. So I got
that kind of you know, education, which was great because I wasn't just
playing the normal stuff. Oh mygoodness. Few people appreciate jazz and your
journey into and through it and playingit. How does it come out today
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in especially in a new album likeEclectic, Well, there's a song let
me see on Eclectic, maybe itwould come out in odd Man Out.
I don't stay within the normal rangeof what people expect. I jump around
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because I get bored. I'm trainedclassically, like I said, you know,
it's so funny because if I've gotto play with the band, the
first person that I go to isthe drummer, and I look at him
and I introduce myself and I go, okay, I'm classically trained. What
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that means to you is that timedoesn't mean a damn thing to me.
You follow me, Okay, we'regonna speed up, we're gonna slow down,
we're gonna feel. We're not gonnago dun dun dun, dun,
dun dunt. It's gonna be allover the place. You just follow me.
And I've had, guys, go, I haven't had that kind of
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fun, you know, in years, because I have to really, you
know, play with you. Andit's not just locking it in. I
mean, that's one of the thingsI kind of do a little step thing
on now. Uh, when Iplay live, I go classical. If
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you've got a drum, it's likefor Moonlight Sonati, it would be done,
But then you hit classical and it'swhatever you feel. It's not what
the time signature says. It's whatyou feel. And that's how I prefer
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to play. That's why I playby myself. Ninety nine percent of the
time. Oh my goodness. Well, you're talking to a drummer who's been
in band since nineteen seventy. You'rethe first person who's ever described it as
such. God bless you. Thatyou're doing is you're asking a drummer to
listen and to feel and to getout of rudiments and caenance. Uh huh.
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Absolutely absolutely. It's not one twothree four five six. It's one
two three four five six, youknow, And that just it just feels
better. I mean, I've listenedto things like Eclectic. There was one
song that both of them odd ManOut and one called Dreamings All You Got,
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And it's supposed to be locked in, but I'm a little bit short.
I come in a little bit quick, I come in a little bit
late when I'm playing by myself,And then the drummer had to lock into
me. And what really messed himup because I had to sit there and
direct him because on that particular song, the snare didn't hit on two and
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four. It hit on two fourand a half, so it was one
two three four and one two threefour and one two And I had to
sit there and direct them, tellhim when to hit it. It's crazy
yeah, but that's what that's thebeauty of your your music, and with
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the basis of it being classical,then that's that gives me an explanation behind
some of your great hits, likeI'd really love to see you tonight,
will never have to say good byagain. There's something that's consistent throughout all
of them. And now I havethat better understanding. And this hand selected
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archives and the songs on Sketches volumenumber one, I understand we're recorded throughout
your storied career but never released untiltwenty twenty one. And there's a special
song in there called Falling tell usabout well, Dan and I wrote Falling,
so that's probably going to be thatat the time was the last song
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that you were going to hear thatDan and I had written together, and
so we never recorded it because thelyric content was about being out on the
road and our producer was sensitive that. He says, well, you want
to be out on the road.Now, you're upset because you're out on
the road because you're missing somebody backhome. You can't have both, You've
got to have one or the other, and so he says, So I
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don't like the lyric content of thesong. Well, I love the song.
We never recorded it, so Idecided to record it. Dan always
sing lead, or always, butninety percent of the time sing lead and
I sang harmony. So on thisparticular song, I sang lead and the
harmony on top of it. Now, when Dan and I played together,
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because Dan didn't sing harmony, ifI sang a song on one of the
records, I guarantee you I sangharmony on it too. So it's beautiful
what you two produced and what youcontinue to produce. And I got to
stop you to say that. Weread a book recently called Smarter Collaboration.
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They define you and Dan, andI'd love to get your perspective on why
you guys were maybe not even smart, but bordering on brilliant as a collaboration.
Well, another funny thing about Danand I, especially the first several
albums that we did, we hadthe McCartney Lennen style. It didn't matter
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who wrote the song, we bothtook credit for it. So there are
some songs that Dan and I wroteindependently of one another, then we came
together and it became the song.Or one of us would start a song
and we would write together. Itjust depended. And now when we came
into the era of really love tosee it tonight, we stopped doing that.
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Dan's songs became his songs, Mysongs became mine. We even got
down to the point of splitting songsseventy five twenty five, sixty forty kind
of a thing. Sometimes it's fiftyto fifty, but depending on who brought
in the song, etc. Wejust kind of changed it along that model.
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I don't want to get soft onyou, but I have fallen in
love while listening to your songs.Do you realize that the genre that you
and Dan helped creating a pioneer helppeople find the right one? Well,
I don't know. You know,it's uh, you're like sad to belong
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you're talking about that, you knowwhat I tell people? Now? I
noticed it the end, seriously.I noticed that there was there was contention
between couples sometimes because I always goout in front and talk to people and
there would be a little bit oftension and I couldn't figure it out because
again, you know, the songsthat we do are not supposed to be
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something that's going to divide people.It kind of unites people. And one
day I was talking to this ladyand her husband is standing next to her,
and she's going on and on andon, and my boyfriend and I
back in high school. And whenthis song came out, you know,
my boyfriend and I back in highschool, and I'm just kind of going
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along with it. And I seeher husband roll his eyes and he went
geeh, and I went, okay, I get it. So I tell
everybody the chances tonight are fairly decentthat the person you came with might not
necessarily be thinking about you during thisparticular song. And it's okay, let
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it go. You want, Okay, it's gone. It's like everybody's got
a past. Let them enjoy theirpast. Yeah, oh man, that's
it. That's exactly right. Letthem. Let them kind of bask in
that moment of their past. Absolutelywell, you know, for me,
it's all going down memory lane.Now. I play a couple of songs
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because when people come, they expectto hear songs that they recognize. I
get that. So I play acouple of songs that are new. By
and large, everything else is somethingthat they might have recalled off one of
the records. That's just the wayit is, and so we don't we
just go down memory lane. Yeah, and when you think about us and
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the audience and and a fanlin me, that's what we want to hear because
it takes us back to a moreinnocent time, right, and when things
were not as divisive. And it'snot like we're in this love fest because
the Beatles and all you need islove. But let's face it, your
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music unites people. It moves people. And I wonder, from a musician's
perspective and songwriter's perspective, do youever sort of just pinch yourself and go
hold it? I actually created aripple effect in the lives of a lot
of people. You do periodically youthink about something like that. I don't
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know, honestly, over the years, I've become much more cynical about a
lot of these things and go,well, you know, it's it works
in theory. But then again,everything works in theory. So it's like
when people go but yeah, yeah, but like love is the answered,
and you go, well, foryou, it is these guys that are
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sitting over here throwing bullets at oneanother. Doesn't appear to be that that
simple and cut and dry, cutand dried for them. You know,
it's a little bit different. Yeahit is. Well, we're going to
take a quick commercial break and we'llbe right back and I'll throw it to
you. First, tell our listenerswhere they can listen to Eclectic and uh
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stay informed about where you're in concertand all things. John Ford Coley,
Well, I've got the website Johnfordcolidot com and you can find uh these
shows, tour dates. Uh,you can find uh books, t shirts,
merchandise, you know, and youcan buy the physical copies of the
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records, uh CDs. And thenon the streaming I'm just I'm just signed
with Starvista. Yeah, Starvist somemusic and so you can look up starvis
So this a streaming device like Spotifyor Apple, and that way you can
get these new records as well.That's terrific. Okay, we will be
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I'm sitting here talking to him,and I guess the second thing. I
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can't believe he's from Pleasant Grove.Yeah grove, not a pleasant grove,
Well not anymore. I mean it'schanged dramatically. When I left Dallas in
nineteen seventy one to move to California, there was about six hundred thousand people
then. To tell vision show,Dallas kind of spoiled all that, and
there's an excess of seven million inDallas. Now I go down there quite
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a bit. I tell everyone thatwhen I go I watched The Fifth Element,
the beginning of The Fifth Element withBruce Willis just to know what I'm
going into, you know, becauseit's like seventy five is the auto bond.
Six thirty five's the block. Youknow You're never going to get anywhere
on that place. So it's everyplace changes it does it does? I
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want to spend the last few minutesof the show asking you some more philosophical
questions, but I would be remissif I didn't mention a few names from
the past, and I'd love toknow get your reaction if you remember when
I mentioned the name Ron Chapman,What is it with you? Oh?
Ron was a great source of helpfor us when he went over and he
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took over the radio station. Heplayed us all the time we used to
be on the Something Else program.He was the in many cases. He
would be the MC for a showwhen somebody came in and we would play.
You know, he knew us andhe was very very helpful for us.
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He's a good guy. And forthose that don't know what something else
is, tell them about what happenedthere. At North Park, they had
a show kind of along the lineof American Bandstand. He would have dancers
and Joni Praither who went on Ithink it was to eight is Enough.
She was one of the dancers there. And so they would have the local
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talent come in. They would playlive, which was great because you know,
very few people played live. Iremember one of the shows that we
did Alvid who was our guitar player. Instead of playing guitar, he was
going to actually stand up and sing. Well. We had a lady that
made our costumes. During that timeperiod, people buying large were costumes you
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know that that that were nice.Everybody was uniform uniforms, that's what we
called them. And so we hada lady who made stripper outfits, you
know. So she said it wouldlook cleaner if you were to put the
zipper on the side of your pants. You know, it's just just clean
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in the front. So we boughtinto that, and so we're going on
to something else. And just beforewe went on, I leaned over to
Alvid and I said, oh,but your zippers down. He's flipping.
He's trying to find it in thefront, but it's on the side.
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And I was joking, and heleaned over and he went, I'm gonna
get you for that. Well,when Dan passed away, Alvid flies into
Nashville because we're all going to thefuneral. We went to eat in Son
of a Gun. Forty fifty yearslater, my zipper broke. God,
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I'm like going somet'm trying to hideenand it's like he finally got me after
all that time. Oh man,thank you for sharing that. And I
want to talk about Dan a littlebit. And if Dan were with us
today, and he is in spirit, if he were on this show with
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us today, what would he say? It was the most absolute best part
of his friendship with you. Gosh, you know that's kind of a toughness.
It's hard to speak for Dan inthat sense. But when Dan and
I really connected, and that wasbecause again at first, we didn't get
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along because he didn't want me inthe band. He wanted a guitar player,
another guitar player, and I'm akeyboard player. Was the fact that
we had become so close and wespent so much time with one another.
We could literally read one another's minds, and that was that was very refreshing
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because Dan and I didn't fight.We never fought. Dan was very reasonable,
I was reasonable. We were bothsolution oriented, so it's like,
this is the problem, Let's getthis sucker solved because I'm hungry, you
know, that kind of an attitude. So we saw things very quick.
We talked stuff out, we didn'targue with it, and we didn't have
those kinds of problems until later whenother people started getting involved in our career
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and they kind of weave their wayin and they kind of divide things.
So it was so interesting to mebecause last night I just you know Srey
Curry is. She was in theRunaways, the lead singer for that.
We have known one another fifteen years. We talked a couple of times a
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month, but we didn't meet untillast Saturday. That's the first time we've
set eyes on one another. Iwas in Burbank in California. I cast
a shriet in town seat come onI want to meet. We did first
time. I've watched The Runaways lastnight, same behavior. Everything's like this,
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and then somebody sneaks in, andthen this one sneaks in, and
then all of a sudden, everythinggoes like this. So that's you know,
Dan and I had a cohesive unituntil the very end. I really
appreciate you saying that my experience withbands that have not been of your commercial
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success has been exactly the same thing. It's a pattern, and there was
the original core DNA and then somethinghappens, and there was a person or
someone that entered it who interjected moreego and greed, and then it blew
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up. Yeah, it's so predictable, it really is. I'm known for
saying I make a lot of peopleangry sometimes when I say things, because
I'll talk to classes occasionally and Isay, here's how you do it.
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Keep your wives and your girlfriends outof your business. Keep your husbands and
your boyfriends out of your business.That's rule number one. Rule number two,
keep your stupid wives and girlfriends andyour stupid husbands and boyfriends out of
your business. Rule number three,keep your stupid, ignorant, well meaning
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but divisive girlfriends and boyfriends out ofyour business because it's like you got a
great group. This guy's guirl friendgets in a fight with this guy's girl
friend. Now you're involved, andit's like the band goes to hell in
a handcart over people that are involved, and you go, wait a minute,
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I just want to play music.I don't have time for this.
I don't mean you figured out,you know, I saw that happen so
many times, just so many times. Could we call that the Yoko Ono
syndrome. I think we probably coulddo it. Syndrome might be a good
word for it too. Maybe shedidn't pioneer it, because I think there
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were some divisive girlfriends amongst the animalsor and amongst the stones. But I
think you nailed it. I waswondering what that third adjective was going to
be. It's like, keep yourstupid ass girlfriends and boyfriends and husbands because
it's a oh my gosh. Whatwhat can you do to hold the family
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and the band together and put almosta fence around it so it stays pure.
Yeah, it's very very difficult.It truly lives. This is why
I tell everybody. Now I playby myself. I go out by myself,
I travel alone. I get alongwith me very very well. You
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know, I don't. I don't. I love my boss. My boss.
I love my boss. You know. He lets me come in and
take late lunches. He doesn't getangry at me if I come in late.
I mean, you know, it'sit's it's kind of advantages. Yeah,
that's right. I don't fight withanybody. Well, see, that's
it. You just fight within yourselfto be the best, best musician and
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put on the best show for yourfans. Yeah. Final question for you
is around significants, and I swear, John, I'm fixated on this.
I don't know when it happened,but moving our lives from just mere living
to giving. And maybe it's becauseI'm approaching seventy and I'm thinking about how
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to spend the last year's how everyyears God wants to give me for the
betterment of somebody else. And soI'm wondering, have you pondered your own
legacy and your own significance and whatdo you want to give back over the
last years of your life? Youknow, I don't really go that deep
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into that. For the reason thatyou continue to contribute. You can't.
For me, I don't set goalsand say this is what I'm going to
achieve in my years. It's like, look, I believe in behavior.
You can tell me all day long, well, this religion is this,
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and this is that. And ifyou don't do this, and if you
don't and my attitude is look,it's all about behavior for me. I
don't care what you say. Idon't care what you preach. I don't
care what you try to shove downmy throat. I'm just gonna watch how
you behave. That's all I needto know. And I tell my children
there's two things that I want youto get from me and incorporate it into
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your life. Just two things.Number One, I don't care. Okay,
I don't care. It's not thatI don't care, it's just that
I don't care. Okay, youwant to think the world's flat, knock
yourself out, I don't care.And the other one is I am the
world's best. There's no one betterat this than me, and that's leaving
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other people the hell alone. I'mreally good at it. You know,
you want to go off and youwant to do these things. You want
to play this I don't care.Go ahead and knock yourself out. You
know, I'm not going to tellyou how to live your life. I
do that. You know I've gotfriends. They know this is what I
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would do for me. You dowhat you know what's right for you.
If I tell you something, theonly thing I'm gonna do is be confirming
maybe something you've already thought. That'sit. If you want my advice,
take it. If you don't,don't. This is your life, it's
not mine. So that's the thingsthat have actually kept me seeing because there's
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so many people. Again, likeI said, I'm just gonna watch.
That's all I gotta do. Youremind me that the only Shakespeare that I
remember from college, which was tothine own self be true? Right.
That's so significant for you to saythat, because I think people don't want
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to be preached at or beaten overthe head with any philosophy. I think
they want to be introduced to somethingthen figure it out for themselves. Well,
I've studied in synagogues for the lasttwenty years. I've been involved in
Christianity, Judaism, another religion.I've always been philosophical and religious and spiritual
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in those ways. But the mainthing that I've learned in the last so
many years have come to the conclusionof is that probably ninety nine percent of
everything that I've read or understood,I've probably misunderstood because it changes you can't
apply it. It's like everything worksin theory. Let's be honest. You
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know, you say this is thisand somebody goes, well, you've got
to do it this way, andI go, why would I do it
that way? It clearly is notworking for you. Why are you trying
to convince me of this? Leaveme alone? And I listen to things
I've studied, I've learned, andI've got more questions, and I'll ever
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have answers. I read through stuff. If the world's a big place,
it's a big place. And whensomebody goes it's this, and I go
for you, you knuck yourself out. You know it doesn't work that way
for me. Wow, those greatwords of wisdom. It really is about
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respecting other people absolutely, let them, let them be their best whatever that
is right now. And I reallyI hate misquotes because again, like I
said, I've been in the synagoguestudying for twenty years. Because it's foundational.
You know, and I look forthe foundational aspects of something so that
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something else makes sense. And youstart to read these things and go,
well, wait a minute, thisis a lot deeper than we're just kind
of, you know, cursory doingit. I remember I. I would
be in the studying and something wouldbe read and it literally, I mean
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literally it would be like a tenfont in that in that book, and
it would jump at it me,a thirty six double bolded font, and
I'd go, whoa, whoa,whoa, Wait, what's that saying Hebrew?
Right? And then they would readit and they go, well,
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it's not quite the says, Well, tell me what it says. And
so then I started learning those kindsof things, and you just look at
it now and go, Okay,it might say this, but what does
it mean? And what's it goingto mean in six months? Can I
throw out a bus questions to you? Sure? So? I have been
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reading Proverbs and Psalms and from aguy that I've become friends with, his
doctor, and he says, sometimesin Hebrew there's three or four, up
to six different definitions for a particularword, right, And this is the
one I want to throw out atyou. And then I have a comment.
There's something in Proverbs that I thinksays, don't let the sun set
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on your anger. Uh huh,what do you think that that means to
you? Now? Aside from theHebrew derivation of that, well, we
see what anger does to the humanbody. You know, this stress level
that it creates a cortisol, Itaffects your heart, It affects so many
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different things. So there's again,it's a wide range. It's not just
a simple sentence. If you goto bed angry, you're gonna wake up
angry. It's just like God,man, you get to a point where
you have to ask yourself, isit really worth it? Really worth it?
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I read Cohelis quite well, I'msorry Ecclesiastes quite a bit, and
I ran across the line of eat, drink and be joyful, because I
went, man, okay, I'mgoing with this. When the heck was
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enjoy the fruit of your labors.You know, you work hard, you
do all these things, and you'restill angry. It's like, okay,
is it really worth it? Ifyou want it? It's like I was
telling somebody the other I put iton Facebook. I said, I've come
to a point in my life towhere everything you're told you can't do and
you're unhappy because it's either fattening,illegal or immoral. And do you realize
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how it's sick. It's got tobe to be considerably moral in this society.
Right. You can't do this,you can't do that. This is
wrong, this is sinful. It'slike, if you want the damn twinkie,
eat the damn twinkie, You're gonnadie, Okay, you think when
thing's gonnas gonna stop you. You'rewalking around angry all the time because you've
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been denied this. And what Idiscovered which blew me away was the fact
that a study serial killers quite abit. I've got a friend who's a
detective, a PI. She gotme into the serial killers, and what
knocked me backwards was that we havea thing in our brain called the hypothalamus.
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That hypothalamus is the seed of desire. They call it the master of
the brain, the brain of thebrain. It's it's it just it.
You wants, your needs, etcetera. If you want something and you
get told no, that thing goesbloom, but it comes back, and
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serial killers, it generally goes bloom. And it sticks right now. This
thing causes you to want anything fromsex to the twinkie. That's the way
it is. And I'm sitting andthey were talking about and God says,
be perfect, des I am perfect, and I went, okay, wait
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a minute, time out here,be perfect, des I am perfect,
because again you got that choice.However, that hypothalamus God created and put
in your brain to put you waita minute, how are you going to
rationalize keeping this thing all the wayover here? When you're always wanting something
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and somebody says no, and yougo off and you get angry and you
go to bed angry. I wantedthat peanut butter and Joey sandwich, but
the doctor said, you know,and it drew me back to when my
mother in law was passing away.She was dying, and she wanted a
piece of the chocolate. And mywife said, well, you know,
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mamma, you've already had you know, your your piece of chocolate. And
the doctor said, you know,you should only have this much. And
I stood there and I said,can I talk to you for a minute?
Walk with me. We went offand I said, your mom is
dying, give her the damn pieceof chocolate, crying out loud, what
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is this? And we get stuckand now she's now she's happy because she
got her needs and her you knowthings satisfied to where now before she was
just angry. I can't have this, I can't have that, and it's
like God's light, now come die. Okay, you don't get to vote.
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So that's my take on her.What was yours on that particular statement.
I've learned over the course of theyears that if you try to just
get that anger off your heart butyou never cleared it up carried over to
the next day, that's an healthyYeah. So sometimes you just can't clear
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everything up in one night, andI think my mom and dad tried to
and it made them unhealthy. MWell, it definitely. I mean,
you see what the stress level doesthe court isol I continually in the center
of my hands and on the bottomof my feet, a studed reflexology for
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for a long time, I've alwaysloved alternative medisine. I am constantly digging
in to the center of my palm, pressing as hard as I can,
because that's where the adrenals are located, and the adrenals are the thing that
you know they store that cartasol.They they spend that cortisol, and then
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your adrenals become depleted. You're tired, you can't function, you can't think
straight because your adrenals are shot.So I keep revitalizing them all the time.
We don't realize the things that goon with us, and we try
to mask it with some kind ofdrug, and you get hooked on the
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drug, you know, in pharmaceutical, whatever it is, and then you
try to come off of that,but you never got to the root problem.
So it's the same thing mentally.I look at that with religion.
I look at it with virtually everything. If the root cause is not addressed,
it's going to go on. Youcan mask it, but it's going
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to continue. It'll just pop upin another form exactly. Hey, this
last bonus section ended up being themost fun. Thank you, no,
thank you for your It was greatto meet you. And hang on just
one second after this, and Iwant to tell you one other thing.
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Okay, I hope that you've enjoyedour legend show today. He is the
one and only John Fourcully and hislateness is eclectic and you can go to
start best the music and listen toall of his latest Thank you, mister
john Ford Coley, that was fantastic. Thank you appreciate it, you bet
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and folks, as we always say, we wish you success. But on
your way to significance, na pricethe ticket to pass past. I can't
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stay here any more, and ibletime I've been shored cured. Sure your
beast a short cut out of fun, but that is the easy way around
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it. At a blue world,shine on me, Dougust, shine on
us all, said Steed. Dougasyis oh news wine some baby allmost you're
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all as boys and girls that weare never heard gets such alone and alle
and all peopleoth turn and get somefuncal back, tell me isn't bad just
another the chi at a new worldand Augusty get a shot on the side,
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said speed Bogasy. Fell me bealive, hard just to die in
land as the man body it whenyou been a bread, when you lost
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you wait and when you're home,and when you're bad, and when Nick
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the cons the answer lot of theworld, Shine on the best game,
Shout on the saw, said lads. Shut on the saun said stinging
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note of the world, shining shardof the fall said stead, not of
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the world shine side of the fall,
Christ the ticket to fasts, Ican't stay more and able time. I've
been shored short show if that's ashort cut out of brown, but that's
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the easy way around. And lightof the world shine on me, Lodes
and welcome back to Success made thelast Legends. I'm Rick Tokinny. The
show is brought to you by gracefulof yours greeting cards along with the right
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one. Hey. On today's show, we have one fantastic guest. It's
Grammy nominated in multi platinum selling artistJohn Ford Coley, best known for his
early career work as one half ofthe seventies duo England Dan and john Ford
Coley. Their hits included I'd reallylove to see you tonight, We'll never
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have to say goodbye again, andlove is the Answer. As you heard
in the intro. Music Today,he's here to talk about his latest album,
Sketches, Volume one, that willbe available for streaming now on Star
Vista Music, and you're going toreally enjoy the songs. We'll also be
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talking to him about the special lastsong that he wrote with Dan Seals called
Falling. John Ford Coley, Welcometo Success, Legends, Thank you very
much. Nice to be here andtell us your background story, including where
are you from. Originally, OriginallyI came from Dallas, Texas. I
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say that I was about twenty one. Then I moved to Los Angeles with
Dan and my wife, and therest is just kind of, you know,
boring all along the way. Youknow, I just bumbled and stumbled,
and you know, here ended uphere. You're from Dallas, I'm
from Sherman. What part of Dallasare you from? Exactly? I was
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over in Pleasant Grove, over kindof close to Mesquite. You're in Sherman.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,Okay, I just went through there
the other night, going to thecasino. Well, I'm glad that you
hopefully didn't get stopped by the localcops. Well, fortunately enough, I've
been pretty good about that. Youknow, I just telling my Texas history,
and I've got the accents I getby. I just love that.
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Who were your early musical influencers growingup in a Pleasant Grove? You know,
when I was a kid, Iwas trained classically, So I'm in
bach In, Beethoven and Chopin andpeople like that. I played classical music,
gosh, and competitions and stuff.So I was about fifteen, and
then I got into the band withDan, and then I was hit a
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whole other influence of people, peoplelike Buffalo Springfield and you know, the
Young Rascals and the Beach Boys.I've always been a fan of the Beach
Boys, so we had that rockand roll kind of an influence. Then
Dan and I we would follow thetrends. So one time we're playing you
know, the Righteous Brothers type music, and then we're thrown into the soul
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era with Wilson Pickett, and thenyou've got the Black Latin Parachutes, the
psychedelic stuff. So we just kindof would go with the trends. But
Dan and I actually ended believe itor not, we ended up playing fusion
jazz, so I mean, youknow, we were kind of serious players.
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Dan played sacks, I played piano, and we were just changed with
the band and ended up opening upfor a lot of people like Led Zeppelin
or Three Dog Night or Vanilla Fudgeand Paul Revere and the Raiders. We
just kind of went, you know, with whatever was available. Truly amazing
and what is for our listening audience, Tell them what jazz means to you
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and what in the world is fusionjazz. Well, it's kind of like
there was a lot of time changes. So there was a lot of nights
and various chords that were not justyour regular one, three, five chords.
You know, like a C chord, it would be a C with
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a D and maybe you know anadage sixth or something like that. It's
all musician talk, but so itwasn't just your regular basic keyboard stuff.
It was went along. See,I had a piano teacher that wanted to
teach me to play. You wantedme to do the competitions with him,
and I said, okay, goodif I will do that, if you'll
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teach me rock and roll because heplayed in the band. So I got
that kind of you know, education, which was great because I wasn't just
playing the normal stuff. Oh mygoodness. Few people appreciate jazz and your
journey into and through it and playingit. How does it come out today
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in especially in a new album likeEclectic, Well, there's a song let
me see on Eclectic, maybe itwould come out in odd Man Out.
I don't stay within the normal rangeof what people expect. I jump around
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because I get bored. I'm trainedclassically, like I said, you know,
it's so funny because if I've gotto play with the band, the
first person that I go to isthe drummer, and I look at him
and I introduce myself and I go, okay, I'm classically trained. What
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that means to you is that timedoesn't mean a damn thing to me.
You follow me, Okay, we'regonna speed up, we're gonna slow down,
we're gonna feel. We're not gonnago dun dun dun, dun,
dun dunt. It's gonna be allover the place. You just follow me.
And I've had, guys, go, I haven't had that kind of
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fun, you know, in years, because I have to really, you
know, play with you. Andit's not just locking it in. I
mean, that's one of the thingsI kind of do a little step thing
on now. Uh, when Iplay live, I go classical. If
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you've got a drum, it's likefor Moonlight Sonati, it would be done,
But then you hit classical and it'swhatever you feel. It's not what
the time signature says. It's whatyou feel. And that's how I prefer
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to play. That's why I playby myself. Ninety nine percent of the
time. Oh my goodness. Well, you're talking to a drummer who's been
in band since nineteen seventy. You'rethe first person who's ever described it as
such. God bless you. Thatyou're doing is you're asking a drummer to
listen and to feel and to getout of rudiments and caenance. Uh huh.
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Absolutely absolutely. It's not one twothree four five six. It's one
two three four five six, youknow, And that just it just feels
better. I mean, I've listenedto things like Eclectic. There was one
song that both of them odd ManOut and one called Dreamings All You Got,
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And it's supposed to be locked in, but I'm a little bit short.
I come in a little bit quick, I come in a little bit
late when I'm playing by myself,And then the drummer had to lock into
me. And what really messed himup because I had to sit there and
direct him because on that particular song, the snare didn't hit on two and
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four. It hit on two fourand a half, so it was one
two three four and one two threefour and one two And I had to
sit there and direct them, tellhim when to hit it. It's crazy
yeah, but that's what that's thebeauty of your your music, and with
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the basis of it being classical,then that's that gives me an explanation behind
some of your great hits, likeI'd really love to see you tonight,
will never have to say good byagain. There's something that's consistent throughout all
of them. And now I havethat better understanding. And this hand selected
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archives and the songs on Sketches volumenumber one, I understand we're recorded throughout
your storied career but never released untiltwenty twenty one. And there's a special
song in there called Falling tell usabout well, Dan and I wrote Falling,
so that's probably going to be thatat the time was the last song
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that you were going to hear thatDan and I had written together, and
so we never recorded it because thelyric content was about being out on the
road and our producer was sensitive that. He says, well, you want
to be out on the road.Now, you're upset because you're out on
the road because you're missing somebody backhome. You can't have both, You've
got to have one or the other, and so he says, So I
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don't like the lyric content of thesong. Well, I love the song.
We never recorded it, so Idecided to record it. Dan always
sing lead, or always, butninety percent of the time sing lead and
I sang harmony. So on thisparticular song, I sang lead and the
harmony on top of it. Now, when Dan and I played together,
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because Dan didn't sing harmony, ifI sang a song on one of the
records, I guarantee you I sangharmony on it too. So it's beautiful
what you two produced and what youcontinue to produce. And I got to
stop you to say that. Weread a book recently called Smarter Collaboration.
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They define you and Dan, andI'd love to get your perspective on why
you guys were maybe not even smart, but bordering on brilliant as a collaboration.
Well, another funny thing about Danand I, especially the first several
albums that we did, we hadthe McCartney Lennen style. It didn't matter
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who wrote the song, we bothtook credit for it. So there are
some songs that Dan and I wroteindependently of one another, then we came
together and it became the song.Or one of us would start a song
and we would write together. Itjust depended. And now when we came
into the era of really love tosee it tonight, we stopped doing that.
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Dan's songs became his songs, Mysongs became mine. We even got
down to the point of splitting songsseventy five twenty five, sixty forty kind
of a thing. Sometimes it's fiftyto fifty, but depending on who brought
in the song, etc. Wejust kind of changed it along that model.
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I don't want to get soft onyou, but I have fallen in
love while listening to your songs.Do you realize that the genre that you
and Dan helped creating a pioneer helppeople find the right one? Well,
I don't know. You know,it's uh, you're like sad to belong
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you're talking about that, you knowwhat I tell people? Now? I
noticed it the end, seriously.I noticed that there was there was contention
between couples sometimes because I always goout in front and talk to people and
there would be a little bit oftension and I couldn't figure it out because
again, you know, the songsthat we do are not supposed to be
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something that's going to divide people.It kind of unites people. And one
day I was talking to this ladyand her husband is standing next to her,
and she's going on and on andon, and my boyfriend and I
back in high school. And whenthis song came out, you know,
my boyfriend and I back in highschool, and I'm just kind of going
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along with it. And I seeher husband roll his eyes and he went
geeh, and I went, okay, I get it. So I tell
everybody the chances tonight are fairly decentthat the person you came with might not
necessarily be thinking about you during thisparticular song. And it's okay, let
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it go. You want, Okay, it's gone. It's like everybody's got
a past. Let them enjoy theirpast. Yeah, oh man, that's
it. That's exactly right. Letthem. Let them kind of bask in
that moment of their past. Absolutelywell, you know, for me,
it's all going down memory lane.Now. I play a couple of songs
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because when people come, they expectto hear songs that they recognize. I
get that. So I play acouple of songs that are new. By
and large, everything else is somethingthat they might have recalled off one of
the records. That's just the wayit is, and so we don't we
just go down memory lane. Yeah, and when you think about us and
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the audience and and a fanlin me, that's what we want to hear because
it takes us back to a moreinnocent time, right, and when things
were not as divisive. And it'snot like we're in this love fest because
the Beatles and all you need islove. But let's face it, your
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music unites people. It moves people. And I wonder, from a musician's
perspective and songwriter's perspective, do youever sort of just pinch yourself and go
hold it? I actually created aripple effect in the lives of a lot
of people. You do periodically youthink about something like that. I don't
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know, honestly, over the years, I've become much more cynical about a
lot of these things and go,well, you know, it's it works
in theory. But then again,everything works in theory. So it's like
when people go but yeah, yeah, but like love is the answered,
and you go, well, foryou, it is these guys that are
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sitting over here throwing bullets at oneanother. Doesn't appear to be that that
simple and cut and dry, cutand dried for them. You know,
it's a little bit different. Yeahit is. Well, we're going to
take a quick commercial break and we'llbe right back and I'll throw it to
you. First, tell our listenerswhere they can listen to Eclectic and uh
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stay informed about where you're in concertand all things. John Ford Coley,
Well, I've got the website Johnfordcolidot com and you can find uh these
shows, tour dates. Uh,you can find uh books, t shirts,
merchandise, you know, and youcan buy the physical copies of the
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records, uh CDs. And thenon the streaming I'm just I'm just signed
with Starvista. Yeah, Starvist somemusic and so you can look up starvis
So this a streaming device like Spotifyor Apple, and that way you can
get these new records as well.That's terrific. Okay, we will be
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I'm sitting here talking to him,and I guess the second thing. I
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can't believe he's from Pleasant Grove.Yeah grove, not a pleasant grove,
Well not anymore. I mean it'schanged dramatically. When I left Dallas in
nineteen seventy one to move to California, there was about six hundred thousand people
then. To tell vision show,Dallas kind of spoiled all that, and
there's an excess of seven million inDallas. Now I go down there quite
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a bit. I tell everyone thatwhen I go I watched The Fifth Element,
the beginning of The Fifth Element withBruce Willis just to know what I'm
going into, you know, becauseit's like seventy five is the auto bond.
Six thirty five's the block. Youknow You're never going to get anywhere
on that place. So it's everyplace changes it does it does? I
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want to spend the last few minutesof the show asking you some more philosophical
questions, but I would be remissif I didn't mention a few names from
the past, and I'd love toknow get your reaction if you remember when
I mentioned the name Ron Chapman,What is it with you? Oh?
Ron was a great source of helpfor us when he went over and he
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took over the radio station. Heplayed us all the time we used to
be on the Something Else program.He was the in many cases. He
would be the MC for a showwhen somebody came in and we would play.
You know, he knew us andhe was very very helpful for us.
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He's a good guy. And forthose that don't know what something else
is, tell them about what happenedthere. At North Park, they had
a show kind of along the lineof American Bandstand. He would have dancers
and Joni Praither who went on Ithink it was to eight is Enough.
She was one of the dancers there. And so they would have the local
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talent come in. They would playlive, which was great because you know,
very few people played live. Iremember one of the shows that we
did Alvid who was our guitar player. Instead of playing guitar, he was
going to actually stand up and sing. Well. We had a lady that
made our costumes. During that timeperiod, people buying large were costumes you
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know that that that were nice.Everybody was uniform uniforms, that's what we
called them. And so we hada lady who made stripper outfits, you
know. So she said it wouldlook cleaner if you were to put the
zipper on the side of your pants. You know, it's just just clean
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in the front. So we boughtinto that, and so we're going on
to something else. And just beforewe went on, I leaned over to
Alvid and I said, oh,but your zippers down. He's flipping.
He's trying to find it in thefront, but it's on the side.
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And I was joking, and heleaned over and he went, I'm gonna
get you for that. Well,when Dan passed away, Alvid flies into
Nashville because we're all going to thefuneral. We went to eat in Son
of a Gun. Forty fifty yearslater, my zipper broke. God,
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I'm like going somet'm trying to hideenand it's like he finally got me after
all that time. Oh man,thank you for sharing that. And I
want to talk about Dan a littlebit. And if Dan were with us
today, and he is in spirit, if he were on this show with
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us today, what would he say? It was the most absolute best part
of his friendship with you. Gosh, you know that's kind of a toughness.
It's hard to speak for Dan inthat sense. But when Dan and
I really connected, and that wasbecause again at first, we didn't get
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along because he didn't want me inthe band. He wanted a guitar player,
another guitar player, and I'm akeyboard player. Was the fact that
we had become so close and wespent so much time with one another.
We could literally read one another's minds, and that was that was very refreshing
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because Dan and I didn't fight.We never fought. Dan was very reasonable,
I was reasonable. We were bothsolution oriented, so it's like,
this is the problem, Let's getthis sucker solved because I'm hungry, you
know, that kind of an attitude. So we saw things very quick.
We talked stuff out, we didn'targue with it, and we didn't have
those kinds of problems until later whenother people started getting involved in our career
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and they kind of weave their wayin and they kind of divide things.
So it was so interesting to mebecause last night I just you know Srey
Curry is. She was in theRunaways, the lead singer for that.
We have known one another fifteen years. We talked a couple of times a
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month, but we didn't meet untillast Saturday. That's the first time we've
set eyes on one another. Iwas in Burbank in California. I cast
a shriet in town seat come onI want to meet. We did first
time. I've watched The Runaways lastnight, same behavior. Everything's like this,
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and then somebody sneaks in, andthen this one sneaks in, and
then all of a sudden, everythinggoes like this. So that's you know,
Dan and I had a cohesive unituntil the very end. I really
appreciate you saying that my experience withbands that have not been of your commercial
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success has been exactly the same thing. It's a pattern, and there was
the original core DNA and then somethinghappens, and there was a person or
someone that entered it who interjected moreego and greed, and then it blew
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up. Yeah, it's so predictable, it really is. I'm known for
saying I make a lot of peopleangry sometimes when I say things, because
I'll talk to classes occasionally and Isay, here's how you do it.
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Keep your wives and your girlfriends outof your business. Keep your husbands and
your boyfriends out of your business.That's rule number one. Rule number two,
keep your stupid wives and girlfriends andyour stupid husbands and boyfriends out of
your business. Rule number three,keep your stupid, ignorant, well meaning
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but divisive girlfriends and boyfriends out ofyour business because it's like you got a
great group. This guy's guirl friendgets in a fight with this guy's girl
friend. Now you're involved, andit's like the band goes to hell in
a handcart over people that are involved, and you go, wait a minute,
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I just want to play music.I don't have time for this.
I don't mean you figured out,you know, I saw that happen so
many times, just so many times. Could we call that the Yoko Ono
syndrome. I think we probably coulddo it. Syndrome might be a good
word for it too. Maybe shedidn't pioneer it, because I think there
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were some divisive girlfriends amongst the animalsor and amongst the stones. But I
think you nailed it. I waswondering what that third adjective was going to
be. It's like, keep yourstupid ass girlfriends and boyfriends and husbands because
it's a oh my gosh. Whatwhat can you do to hold the family
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and the band together and put almosta fence around it so it stays pure.
Yeah, it's very very difficult.It truly lives. This is why
I tell everybody. Now I playby myself. I go out by myself,
I travel alone. I get alongwith me very very well. You
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know, I don't. I don't. I love my boss. My boss.
I love my boss. You know. He lets me come in and
take late lunches. He doesn't getangry at me if I come in late.
I mean, you know, it'sit's it's kind of advantages. Yeah,
that's right. I don't fight withanybody. Well, see, that's
it. You just fight within yourselfto be the best, best musician and
(26:53):
put on the best show for yourfans. Yeah. Final question for you
is around significants, and I swear, John, I'm fixated on this.
I don't know when it happened,but moving our lives from just mere living
to giving. And maybe it's becauseI'm approaching seventy and I'm thinking about how
(27:15):
to spend the last year's how everyyears God wants to give me for the
betterment of somebody else. And soI'm wondering, have you pondered your own
legacy and your own significance and whatdo you want to give back over the
last years of your life? Youknow, I don't really go that deep
(27:41):
into that. For the reason thatyou continue to contribute. You can't.
For me, I don't set goalsand say this is what I'm going to
achieve in my years. It's like, look, I believe in behavior.
You can tell me all day long, well, this religion is this,
(28:02):
and this is that. And ifyou don't do this, and if you
don't and my attitude is look,it's all about behavior for me. I
don't care what you say. Idon't care what you preach. I don't
care what you try to shove downmy throat. I'm just gonna watch how
you behave. That's all I needto know. And I tell my children
there's two things that I want youto get from me and incorporate it into
(28:23):
your life. Just two things.Number One, I don't care. Okay,
I don't care. It's not thatI don't care, it's just that
I don't care. Okay, youwant to think the world's flat, knock
yourself out, I don't care.And the other one is I am the
world's best. There's no one betterat this than me, and that's leaving
(28:45):
other people the hell alone. I'mreally good at it. You know,
you want to go off and youwant to do these things. You want
to play this I don't care.Go ahead and knock yourself out. You
know, I'm not going to tellyou how to live your life. I
do that. You know I've gotfriends. They know this is what I
(29:06):
would do for me. You dowhat you know what's right for you.
If I tell you something, theonly thing I'm gonna do is be confirming
maybe something you've already thought. That'sit. If you want my advice,
take it. If you don't,don't. This is your life, it's
not mine. So that's the thingsthat have actually kept me seeing because there's
(29:29):
so many people. Again, likeI said, I'm just gonna watch.
That's all I gotta do. Youremind me that the only Shakespeare that I
remember from college, which was tothine own self be true? Right.
That's so significant for you to saythat, because I think people don't want
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to be preached at or beaten overthe head with any philosophy. I think
they want to be introduced to somethingthen figure it out for themselves. Well,
I've studied in synagogues for the lasttwenty years. I've been involved in
Christianity, Judaism, another religion.I've always been philosophical and religious and spiritual
(30:12):
in those ways. But the mainthing that I've learned in the last so
many years have come to the conclusionof is that probably ninety nine percent of
everything that I've read or understood,I've probably misunderstood because it changes you can't
apply it. It's like everything worksin theory. Let's be honest. You
(30:34):
know, you say this is thisand somebody goes, well, you've got
to do it this way, andI go, why would I do it
that way? It clearly is notworking for you. Why are you trying
to convince me of this? Leaveme alone? And I listen to things
I've studied, I've learned, andI've got more questions, and I'll ever
(30:57):
have answers. I read through stuff. If the world's a big place,
it's a big place. And whensomebody goes it's this, and I go
for you, you knuck yourself out. You know it doesn't work that way
for me. Wow, those greatwords of wisdom. It really is about
(31:22):
respecting other people absolutely, let them, let them be their best whatever that
is right now. And I reallyI hate misquotes because again, like I
said, I've been in the synagoguestudying for twenty years. Because it's foundational.
You know, and I look forthe foundational aspects of something so that
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something else makes sense. And youstart to read these things and go,
well, wait a minute, thisis a lot deeper than we're just kind
of, you know, cursory doingit. I remember I. I would
be in the studying and something wouldbe read and it literally, I mean
(32:07):
literally it would be like a tenfont in that in that book, and
it would jump at it me,a thirty six double bolded font, and
I'd go, whoa, whoa,whoa, Wait, what's that saying Hebrew?
Right? And then they would readit and they go, well,
(32:27):
it's not quite the says, Well, tell me what it says. And
so then I started learning those kindsof things, and you just look at
it now and go, Okay,it might say this, but what does
it mean? And what's it goingto mean in six months? Can I
throw out a bus questions to you? Sure? So? I have been
(32:52):
reading Proverbs and Psalms and from aguy that I've become friends with, his
doctor, and he says, sometimesin Hebrew there's three or four, up
to six different definitions for a particularword, right, And this is the
one I want to throw out atyou. And then I have a comment.
There's something in Proverbs that I thinksays, don't let the sun set
(33:15):
on your anger. Uh huh,what do you think that that means to
you? Now? Aside from theHebrew derivation of that, well, we
see what anger does to the humanbody. You know, this stress level
that it creates a cortisol, Itaffects your heart, It affects so many
(33:37):
different things. So there's again,it's a wide range. It's not just
a simple sentence. If you goto bed angry, you're gonna wake up
angry. It's just like God,man, you get to a point where
you have to ask yourself, isit really worth it? Really worth it?
(33:59):
I read Cohelis quite well, I'msorry Ecclesiastes quite a bit, and
I ran across the line of eat, drink and be joyful, because I
went, man, okay, I'mgoing with this. When the heck was
(34:20):
enjoy the fruit of your labors.You know, you work hard, you
do all these things, and you'restill angry. It's like, okay,
is it really worth it? Ifyou want it? It's like I was
telling somebody the other I put iton Facebook. I said, I've come
to a point in my life towhere everything you're told you can't do and
you're unhappy because it's either fattening,illegal or immoral. And do you realize
(34:44):
how it's sick. It's got tobe to be considerably moral in this society.
Right. You can't do this,you can't do that. This is
wrong, this is sinful. It'slike, if you want the damn twinkie,
eat the damn twinkie, You're gonnadie, Okay, you think when
thing's gonnas gonna stop you. You'rewalking around angry all the time because you've
(35:05):
been denied this. And what Idiscovered which blew me away was the fact
that a study serial killers quite abit. I've got a friend who's a
detective, a PI. She gotme into the serial killers, and what
knocked me backwards was that we havea thing in our brain called the hypothalamus.
(35:27):
That hypothalamus is the seed of desire. They call it the master of
the brain, the brain of thebrain. It's it's it just it.
You wants, your needs, etcetera. If you want something and you
get told no, that thing goesbloom, but it comes back, and
(35:49):
serial killers, it generally goes bloom. And it sticks right now. This
thing causes you to want anything fromsex to the twinkie. That's the way
it is. And I'm sitting andthey were talking about and God says,
be perfect, des I am perfect, and I went, okay, wait
(36:09):
a minute, time out here,be perfect, des I am perfect,
because again you got that choice.However, that hypothalamus God created and put
in your brain to put you waita minute, how are you going to
rationalize keeping this thing all the wayover here? When you're always wanting something
(36:36):
and somebody says no, and yougo off and you get angry and you
go to bed angry. I wantedthat peanut butter and Joey sandwich, but
the doctor said, you know,and it drew me back to when my
mother in law was passing away.She was dying, and she wanted a
piece of the chocolate. And mywife said, well, you know,
(36:58):
mamma, you've already had you know, your your piece of chocolate. And
the doctor said, you know,you should only have this much. And
I stood there and I said,can I talk to you for a minute?
Walk with me. We went offand I said, your mom is
dying, give her the damn pieceof chocolate, crying out loud, what
(37:20):
is this? And we get stuckand now she's now she's happy because she
got her needs and her you knowthings satisfied to where now before she was
just angry. I can't have this, I can't have that, and it's
like God's light, now come die. Okay, you don't get to vote.
(37:42):
So that's my take on her.What was yours on that particular statement.
I've learned over the course of theyears that if you try to just
get that anger off your heart butyou never cleared it up carried over to
the next day, that's an healthyYeah. So sometimes you just can't clear
(38:02):
everything up in one night, andI think my mom and dad tried to
and it made them unhealthy. MWell, it definitely. I mean,
you see what the stress level doesthe court isol I continually in the center
of my hands and on the bottomof my feet, a studed reflexology for
(38:24):
for a long time, I've alwaysloved alternative medisine. I am constantly digging
in to the center of my palm, pressing as hard as I can,
because that's where the adrenals are located, and the adrenals are the thing that
you know they store that cartasol.They they spend that cortisol, and then
(38:45):
your adrenals become depleted. You're tired, you can't function, you can't think
straight because your adrenals are shot.So I keep revitalizing them all the time.
We don't realize the things that goon with us, and we try
to mask it with some kind ofdrug, and you get hooked on the
(39:06):
drug, you know, in pharmaceutical, whatever it is, and then you
try to come off of that,but you never got to the root problem.
So it's the same thing mentally.I look at that with religion.
I look at it with virtually everything. If the root cause is not addressed,
it's going to go on. Youcan mask it, but it's going
(39:28):
to continue. It'll just pop upin another form exactly. Hey, this
last bonus section ended up being themost fun. Thank you, no,
thank you for your It was greatto meet you. And hang on just
one second after this, and Iwant to tell you one other thing.
(39:49):
Okay, I hope that you've enjoyedour legend show today. He is the
one and only John Fourcully and hislateness is eclectic and you can go to
start best the music and listen toall of his latest Thank you, mister
john Ford Coley, that was fantastic. Thank you appreciate it, you bet
(40:10):
and folks, as we always say, we wish you success. But on
your way to significance, na pricethe ticket to pass past. I can't
(40:42):
stay here any more, and ibletime I've been shored cured. Sure your
beast a short cut out of fun, but that is the easy way around
(41:04):
it. At a blue world,shine on me, Dougust, shine on
us all, said Steed. Dougasyis oh news wine some baby allmost you're
(41:34):
all as boys and girls that weare never heard gets such alone and alle
and all peopleoth turn and get somefuncal back, tell me isn't bad just
another the chi at a new worldand Augusty get a shot on the side,
(42:08):
said speed Bogasy. Fell me bealive, hard just to die in
land as the man body it whenyou been a bread, when you lost
(42:45):
you wait and when you're home,and when you're bad, and when Nick
(43:17):
the cons the answer lot of theworld, Shine on the best game,
Shout on the saw, said lads. Shut on the saun said stinging
(44:01):
note of the world, shining shardof the fall said stead, not of
(44:22):
the world shine side of the fall,
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