Legends Library: Lone Wolf - A Tale of Obi-Wan and Luke - Legends Library

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Just take a moment and let's justexpand the universe a little bit, shall
we? Spoken for Audio Productions PresentsLegends Library. Now, Hi everybody,

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I'm Lisa and I'm Kyle, andyou're listening to Legends Library. We are
a podcast dedicated to the Legends lineof books for Star Wars, and here
today we are going to discuss avery anticipated one for for Kyle mostly,
but we're here to discuss Lone Wolf, a tale Obi Wan and Luke.
Before we get into that, Ijust want to, you know, see

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how Kyle, how are you doing? Oh it's fantastic. Are you talking
about Lone Wolf? Yeah? Exactly. How can it not be fantastic?
And are you looking forward to Kenobecoming out? Can I just give the
business answer and move on. I'msure they will try their best to make

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some people happy. Is that another? Yes? I like the pauses in
between there, like the inhales.Yeah, like I would. I would
love to have hope, and Iwould think that they would put in a
little bit more, but then afterthe book could be I'm like, yeah,

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well, I mean I think they'vebeen working with Kenobi and much much
longer than they have with a befet. I'm I'm resigned, but I do
hope because I love you, evenMcGregor and Hayden Christensen as we all do.
So, um, I would Iwant. I want it to be
good for the sake of everyone andall Star Wars fans. But as far

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as that's why I'm reserving further opinionbecause it's not going to be entertaining.
Well, you know, we've gotlike a week away until it's coming out,
basically, so I think I don'tknow. My dad's already like,
hey, isn't there something coming outsoon? I'm like, yes, don't
worry, I'll make sure you cansee it. Yeah, and not to

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bring it back. But isn't itfunny that you guys didn't finish Boba either?
I know, being being like incrediblylike large Mandalorian fan Lisa that I
know you are, um because wetalk about it. I would say at
least thirty percent of our conversations happento involve the Mandalorian and somewhere they are,
so they are and we love Karenand all that stuff too. Um.

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But that being said, you didn'tfinish the show. I know that
must say it's sacrilicious, but isit. No, it's not, it's
not. Oh, I just realizedyou're missing all my hand gesters. I'm
doing all these hand gusters, isit. Yeah, So for anyone who's
listening in, you can also tunein again on YouTube. Hopefully you guys

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liked that last time. I gota bit of a different backchup. Got
Babyota still with me of course,as Oh well, I think it's a
good time for us to get intoour book review. Who who So,
Kyle, if you want to takeit away and start with our journey on
Lone Wolf. A Tale of ObiWan and Luke. A Tale of Obi

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Wan and Luke Skywalker. Um,yeah, it's great. Starts on Narshada.
We're getting into the point that obiWan kenobe is it's what the first
couple days after order sixty six.Yeah, and he's obviously terrified he's got
Luke. Now that's that's where thisunique, interesting take on the whole thing.

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It's like we've had stories that involvelike baby Luke, you know,
but like here he is as aas a central character for the first time,
and you know, seeing them onthe run in Narshada of all places,
you know, that was that waspretty incredible, And so now we're
at the point that he's trying tofigure out what to do. He's obviously

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got a hot ship that he stolefrom General Grievous. I loved how they
segued that into it. And thenthere's a little bit of that Quinlan Vos
reference that we get going on too, as far as the spineless one versus
the souless one, the name ofGeneral Grievous the ship. Yeah, there
was a general theme of Caliche beinginvolved, so I thought that that was
a very nice touch on the episodethree feel and yeah, so then we

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go from that point he starts talkingBocchi to the wrong person when he lands
on Narshadah. Yeah, then goright right, and then they allude to
the fact that Bacchi is of courselike, um see trader gangster's language if
you would. Yeah, like ifyou want to buy some death sticks,
you start right. So here Obione is trying to hawk General Grieves the

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ship, you know, and he'shere because um there's a trail on and
I love this tie in two onthraw and um um forgive me, I
just uh indulged before we started throwingthalma um and which is a nice touch
because we all know at the endof um Legacy we do see throw at

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least, and we end up figuringout what happens to Tholmey. But so
he's kind of on this quest toto keep it moving. He's got h
he's got a plan, he's gotto make it to Tattooing. But this
is this is the interim. Yeah, and it's wild and it's crazy and
it's dangerous, and so again Narshada, we're selling the ship, We're trying
to get it moving. We havea possible lead on a couple of Jedi

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friends who might be able to helphim on his quest, and as we
go through it, we run intowho Liza. Oh Well, we do
do eventually meet up with the Jedi, but I want to start a little
bit back with in the docking bay. Um, like a little bit more
about that Passipith. I was alittle confused about like their species, because
they're like an elephant um package dermoidkind of creature that walks on these like

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flatterer still legs because they're rather shortand they want to actually the eye level
I guess for humans or other aliens. So it's kind of like a.
It's like a bad thing if theirlegs are visible, they're shamed of them.
But then this one lady, likeher name was good Luck. Yeah,

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she's really funny. Like so like, as we know, Narshada is
a notorious den of like you know, good and bad choices, and they're
all bad and it stills like adesperation there and of course like a place
where a few questions are ever asked. So like that's why it's easy to
hawk Grievous as ship um. Butyeah, like you know, selling the
spineless one, which she calls thesouless one, like you said from Quinlin

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Voss dubbing. I love that QuinlinVoss calls it spineless one because Grievous is
always running away from fight. Sothat's why it comes in right, yes,
but yeah, it's SNOTS, it'sis and it's short for I had
to write this one down nuts nuts, snuts, gigantic Maximaliana because bravo for

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trying her parents. She was adoptedby some squid praters and this is significant
later in the story that they weresquid um and you know, like yeah,
so like yeah, they're such aprominent role throughout the universe in the
timeline. If you really look atthe Squibs of all things, we'll do

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the squib episode. All that weshould we should do an episode about the
Squibbies. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, they make such an important
thing up. So she she like, she guides Obi One to go,
if you go up to here andturn it left here and turn right here.
I actually wrote all these directions downagain if I if I find them,

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Uh, you wrote them down.Yeah, so's run into new vertical
vertica left at the Champion Mooney,then a secondary quick left at this is
the word I couldn't get kokuaa qand then go under the crumbling meg left

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bridge, right at Nobad Nobad Nobaya, and go to Paolo's chop shop.
And that's where you will find someonewho wants to buy the ship. And
he's like, okay, cheers,thanks. But of course she's like it's
going to be for you know,she's going to get some profit off it,

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but only because she's telling people,Hey, this guy's going to sell
the ship. Makes a call andshe calls some gangsters, and of course
they're gonna jump ob One at thefirst opportunity. Yeah, another I did
write down the name her parents,because she's like, oh, my parents
would be so proud of me.So it's Jacquelin Ambella, Bessa Marte,

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and Riki Miki von Santiki the fiftyfourth. So just it's so typical of
like Star Wars authors to just continuallygive us these names, like you know,
James Acetto, salcalcac back Thack,like you know, like some of
these guys are just oh my goodness, what what are they doing to us?

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Like is it on purpose that theydo this for fans? Is it
like a continuous joke? I don'tget it. Like, but so Ben
when he's walking through nar should out, you know, he's getting lots of
curious looks from him and like it'sraining, like you know, yet like
you said, it's just like daysafter Order sixty six and like just like

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probably the hours after like pad me, you know, giving birth and dying
and broken heart is a total thingyou can definitely die from. I just
don't believe that a mother could diefrom after giving birth and having twins and
then having her heart grow. Ijust yeah, but we saw that in
real life though. I Mean,that's that's like the that magical cinematic angle

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to the whole deal, now,right, is that Debbie Reynolds actually passed
away of a broken heart, butshe died because her daughter died. Like
I know, I've had two childrenand then instantly died. It just as
it's like the nurture instinct, itdoesn't makes sense for r We joked about
this um me and Patrick actually recentlyfrom the praxiom and it's just like and

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I think you too. Actually onething just chriorgetically freezer at that point,
like I mean, all right,well, yeah, I don't know the
carbonite like that. That's terrible,right, yeah, that's terrible. So

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as Obi Wan's following the path ofSchnotzitski to to go find polish shop shop,
you know, he's getting all theselike looks of like who's that guy?
And like why does he have thisbaby? And yeah, so he
meets up with this random guy,like you're saying in the street, a
Rakhan if you remember this, thisis a really disgusting moment. The guy's
like how much you know, howmuch for their little child? And she's

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just like excuse me. He's like, I give excellent price per grab Instantly,
yeah, instantly just like you.He wants to eat Luke. This
guy is trying to buy the babyfor a snack and yeah, and what
better way to paint that picture?Right as far as Narshad, Yeah,

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just adds to the scumbness of theworld. Yeah, it's everything I hoped
it would be a terrible evil place. If if you've ever, like I'm
sure you've seen the concept arts andall that kind of stuff and then screenshots
from the video games, and it'sjust fielded that whole imagery of the planet
is deaf only painted beautifully by misterPena. Well, putting those kind of

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creepers in there definitely adds to thelegit feel of that horrible city. Yeah.
Well, and that's the thing,you know. Obiman obviously says no,
like, I'm not selling the ChosenOne, son or the new Chosen
One, however you want to interpretit to you so you can snack on
him. And the guy's like whyyou don't, like, no, No,
he's going to go to a houseI swear, And he's like no,

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still no, And he's like,oh oh, there's hundreds of other
you guys like selling. At thatpoint, I love this moment. Obi
One's just like, so you're gonnaalways like tell the authorities on these people.
Now, you're going to report everysingle one that you come across.
And he's like, but there areno authorities here. And he's like,
you're going to tell a concern bountyhudger or whatever. Yes, yes,

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that was a cool little line.Huh. Yeah, and he's like,
I will go tell a concern bounty. Still goes on his way to like
go and like swindle other people,but at least not buying babies to eat.
Oh my goodness. Yeah, andthat's a theme. Yeah, it's
we're gonna see a lot of umof Obie's obi Wan's struggle with with using

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those powers gem mind control and whatnot. It's gonna be And it was a
nice callback to episode two in thebeginning of the story here, but then
we see it develops further later.Yeah, we can see it like he's
he's willing to do all these thingsand it kind of reflects, like in
part four two, um, hiswillingness to do some some dark side stuff

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on the fly like that. Yeah, we're seeing a change in obi Wan
Kenobie. Well, he's at avery pivotal moment in his life where everyone
that he loved is dead. Everythinghe believed in it has been a race
and made illegal. So like heasked a question, what his what he's
going to do for the order oror what he can do, And obviously
his only mission now is protect Lukebecause Luke's the single most important thing in

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the galaxy because one day he willdefeat the emperor in theory and the and
it's I want to put it outthere too today at this point to make
everybody interested in reading it to you, Like, you know, we're really
in his head about all of this. We're gonna see constant callbacks, even
if we don't talk about every singleone of them, constant callbacks episode three.
Everything else is going on, everythingLisa just said. So he's like

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struggling with himself and that whole Uhwhat's what's the words for? It's a
sense of urgency, sense of danger? It's there, yeah, go on.
So after that encounter, he's like, I need a drink, and
he's like, what I wouldn't givefor a spice lafe, spice lace deltron
wine And that's what I kind ofwould wait, you get wine with spice

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in it, like oobing Wood,what kind of parting are you doing?
Yeah? Yeah, he's a gentleman'sclub now, you know, he knows
what's good this. This is anold school you know, war torn It's
like that's how I'm picture. Yeah, like that's absolute or whatever. He's
drinking. Yeah, yeah, he'sjust he's over it only legal in one

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country basically, like yeah, nowhe's like I'll flirt with the dark sye
even if I'm not gonna say ita little bit, Like even when he's
looking at this cantina like pub,he's just like, I really miss drinking
with Anakin. Yeah. We recentlydid an episode on Practice Check Guys,
and we talked to all things withPnobe, and I made a point of

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like can you imagine stuff those twoused to do at bars together, because
like they he was like remembering fondlyhow much like they would have fun,
and like, let's be real,if you would hang out with Obi one
first of all, gift a gap, like he could just like talk everyone
and the bar would be enthralled.But then Anakin, who's like this handsome
I'm gonna just drink you all underthe table kind of guy, Like they

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must a party like nothing else,like and then there's even a comment with
Obi Wan here where like he's talkingabout his affection towards Luke and he's like,
you know, I may never havehad a kid and and won't ever
have a kid. You know.I was kind of like, what what
did you guys get up to someof those nights, because let's be real,
like I know Annakin love pat me, but there was a time where

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they were together. Oh yeah,oh my gosh, yeah, absolutely,
and all those those wartime disconnects,like you know, we we know,
we saw episode two. We knowhe's very direct. Though the deleted the
deleted scenes would have made that alittle bit easier going for the record,

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but like but still though, likeyeah, I can see your points very
yeah, very well. Yeah whendancers and stuff just to have fun all
that stuff, who knows, likeoh we want canoe just looking at him
like and he's just like Obi wantsgo to drink is spiced wine? Like

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that's yeah, like whatever spice in, Like I don't know if we've ever
determined what spice really is, Likeis it supposed to be like cocaine or
heroine or that's the general idea it'slike, you know, as far as
like real world equivalent math whatever.Yeah, so wine and that damn obi
One just saying, yeah, that'sa heck of a drink. But then

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again he's been through a lot recently, so I would say he really does
this. Poor poor guy. Sooutside this cantina, the Hoary Feiffer Hoary
with joy r why he sees thislike crumpled mess of a pile of this
like decrepit woman who's just like,you know, a beggar woman basically,

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and he, obviously, being obiOne, takes pity on her and gives
her some money and she's like,thank you, Jedi, and he immediately
it's like how did you know?It's like, well, obviously you're you're
still in the robe, like everyoneknows the Jedi robe tail tale. Um.
Yeah, but Kyle, if youwon't explain who this woman was that

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he accidentally needs, it's Vima VimaBoda, what a name. Yes,
they tied her in beautifully. Um, what a conversation that was that they
had together for the sake of thelisteners and whatnot. Um, Like you
said, Lisa, he's absolutely terrifiedand she's she's she goes on um more

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or less to like give up alittle bit of intel, saying that,
like, you know again kind oflike that that threat of the thraw and
Full may have been there. Yeahmentioned. Yeah, basically there was too
Jedi that were supposedly on our shootout just before Order exactly six, so
he's kind of like hoping to findthem too at the same time. Yeah,
yeah, which is um ah.And what a couple they were to

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you, by the way, I'mso glad that happened in the EU.
Yeah, Master Thorm and Trasa andthey were they become lovers obviously, and
one of them is the Master toQuinlan uh and you know, we all
love our Quinlan boss and any ofcourse he's even kind of like mentioned a
little bit in this story. Umyeah, nice little tie into all of

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the Republic comics. Yeah, therewas definitely a lot of um name dropping
going on, and and Vima wasgreat, um because by the end,
you know, even though she's sheshe like deprecates herself for what happened to
her daughter. Um. Vima wasa Jedi for the listeners who don't know
who she was. Yeah, anda major character and a lot of other

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stories too. So yeah, wecan cover it if you want. But
at the same token, so soshe wants to offer help and aid and
she at first like I read itlike she offered her blade as like and
then then you know, then you'resupposed to read it that way, Um,
that she was actually going to getup and go with him to protect
him. And then obviously like youknow, um, but it seemed like

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she was just he was just givinga blade and noble One's like, now
you know, I'm good. Andthen yeah, she's like to take it
for locally, Yeah, take thetake the lightsaber for the baby, because
she realizes it's a Jedi and thatthis is most likely a Jedi. And
of course, like she connects withthe fact that she herself had had a
child against the Jedi way and it'sher role to like she Vima knew instantly

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that it was her role to toin destiny to protect it. Yeah,
this baby and um, so forso for a little background, um,
her daughter Nemah died at the handsof her lover and horribly horribly rain coors
all that. Yeah, they changeher up and two raincorps ate her and

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she was pregnant. Yeah, sopretty terrible and to this point. So
the reason why Vima is now decrepit, that that pile of you know,
human shapes on the floor, um, is because she lives with that and
she's been making. She knits andshe just makes all these little things and

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she she made this up. Yeah, and she made like more or less
a harness for a child. Andshe said that she made it all the
time, which so you know,she's obviously just in a loop, which
is so tragic. Um. Andyeah, and it was perfect though,
because it's like, all right,cool, So now we have we have

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after Vima gives Kenobi this wonderful giftand it has Nima's name on it,
by the way, which is likea fun little Yeah, it's a little
fun thing that we do. We'reto play with later on in the story
too. Um. But yeah,so so now it's like, you know,
it's not Luke and Yoda backed up, are backpacked up. It's it's
over wan Kenobi and Luke like yeah, straight up, and then then we

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take off from that point. Lisa. I think it was so touching that
she, you know, gives himthe credible board because like, you know,
instead of paying well, like hegives her money of course, because
you know she she does deserve it. But yeah, and there's like that
beautiful sketching like carved into it oflike two jedium. I mean, it's
kind of a giveaway for Obi Wanto be carrying it around. But but

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like a credile board for those whodon't know, it's basically like a backpack
for like a baby. One thingI did want to just mention quickly about
Old Vima. So she does comefrom the Dark Empire comics, and she
was born in one ninety b by. She is significant because later she
comes back into the stories and sheteaches Kip Draan guys while he was on

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Castle for a little while at somepoint we don't know exactly when, and
she does kind of in a wayteach Leia and gives Leia lightsaber. So
you know, it's she's a significantcharacter that comes back. So it's a
nice little tie in and like evenher own like relatives, she comes from
Nami Son writer, Yeah, waspart of the Great sixth Wars against x

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Arkun. So like lots of theselittle tie ins with the story, which
is really cool. I really enjoyedthat they're certain bloodlines in the EU there's
several of them, but they spanyeah, quite a breath of time.
Yeah. One significant lingue that shesays here is the fact that she has
seen too Jedi a male and female. So Obi wants like gets like I

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get some help, like you know, at this point, his inner monologue
is a little bit kind of likemaybe like Owen and Bru won't want the
baby because I'm starting to like havethese feelings like he he obviously loved his
brother like Anakin, you know,and I say brother in quotations like he
became a brother. We all knowthat scene, like you were my brother

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Anakin. I love to and theytalk about like able Pena talks about this
in the story and like having likethe I hate you, like just on
the page and just reading it likeit just like it kills you. And
like even just hear the rage that'sstill echoing in Obi Wan's mind, and
you know, like I can understandwhy now He's just like I want to

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protect this child and love this child, and maybe this is what I like
I'm destined to do from this pointonward. So and UM, forgive me
if we're not in our notes.I don't have the notes in front of
me right now. But um,we're not at the point when when we
have those allusions to to the Larsyet, right, No, but he

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he didn't mention we'll get there.Yeah, he doesn't mention that when he
was younger, he had had visionsof his parents and he talked to like
Qui Gon about it, and healso supposedly had a vision of a brother.
And this is what's interesting, Yeah, because it was a brother named
Owen, and you know, andI liked it. I liked it because

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like, actually, if you readthe original like Return of the Jedi novelization,
it does say in the book that, like, oh, my brother
Owen. So he does refer toOwen as a brother. But of course
in here it's from a certain pointof view standpoint that Owen is a brother
because Owen and Anakin are you know, they've got that connection, and obviously

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Anakin was seen as his brother.Yeah, that was pretty cool. I
liked it, enjoy it. Soanother thing with Vima, this is kind
of crazy. He's like, canI trust you? And she's like,
yeah, you know, I wasa Jedi, you can trust me.
Like the spark may be out ofme, but you can still all keep
your secret, and he's like,the Force has no secrets. And this

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is when everyone's like kind of superdark mode because he goes super dark here.
Like basically he was going to erasethe memory this whole that's a general
theme of this whole thing is himcoming to grips with the fact that he's
actually he can't tell like if it'sbecause of the kid or not, but
like he is actually slipping and he'srecognizing it and he's trying to because he

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stops. Yeah, he stops inthe middle of it. He doesn't wipe
her mind. Well, he alsodoesn't wipe her mind because he believes that
she won't. Yeah, Like hegoes in and like searches and he's like,
okay, like I feel that Ican trust you now, and she
was like I Like her thought isbasically I'll die before revealing that you've been
here, and he's like and thenin the end he does promise to her

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that if I find my friends,I'll have them come back for you,
which is nice. Forty five minuteslater of a walk through Narshada so Obi
Wan, you know, he's reflectinga little bit on missing his barractyl Boga
and because like he had such anamazing connection with this barractol and who sacrifice.
I never actually clued in that shejumped in front of the fire like

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and like took it. I thinkmy brain was like I want to see
this skip skip skip, so likeyeah, yeah right, it's like these
little these little little nuances you sogreat. Yeah, it's heartbreaking, like
it is to have an animal sacrifice, like and that's where it's like the
bond between like a writer and aJedi, like this is it's so much

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stronger than like any of us canwant to plate Like I don't know a
cat that would jump in my harm'sway, Like they're like, no,
you you go ahead, look yeahyeah, not too many step up for
the challenge. There a cat.They're gonna be like, dog, you
do it. Yeah, it's sendthe dog. At first, like he'll

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be fine. It's so funny,but then he has his thought. He's
like, is this what it meansto be lonely? Because he's like longing
for like his his animals, hisfriends or everything that he like has had
ripped away from him because of Palpatinein everything is gone, you know.

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Um, And like I don't thinkJedi really understand the concept of a loneness
and no, no, all right, there's there's this take that um Obi
one. It's like, Okay,at the end of episode three, of
course he's going to care for thekids, and like he goes to tattooing
to watch over him and he'll justmake sure. And that's of course implied

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because like you know, it isa son, but this story gives us
that in depth, like mania,like he is wounded and like on on
the run, and I know thatI've explained this before, but um,
the whole reason why, like everythingelse in the verse makes sense. You
know, we never really got thispart of the story before. Um.
And it's like, you know,it's not just him in the desert like

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okay, hiding out while at thesame time like of course just looking out
for him. No, it's like, um that he a night one duty
yeah right right, but like theactual love that we see born for him,
and it makes tales like Kenobi andeverything else that much more stronger.
Yeah, um, because like it'snot just like he has a charge,

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it's it didn't start the same waythat it started with Anakin, Like Okay,
I have to do this because Ipromised a loved one or like an
obligation of love means that I haveto do this. It's it's it's different
this time around, and I'm soglad that we got this story because we
yeah, you know, it's it'sit's the only thing that he has left
in the entire universe. And hehe questions what love truly is for the

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first time. I think, yeah, no, for sure, he has
definitely some person in this story.Yeah, and like when he's walking,
what's really nice. It's like Lukefalls asleep and something that um Ema has
said to him was like he's likea white current, this child, and
Luke or obi Wan didn't quite understandit until like he actually she senses him

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and like he kind of goes intohis mind here when he's sleeping, and
he's like it's a supernova of luminosity, which is such a nice way to
describe it. Yes, and ina moment pause for for baby Luke,
like the character development for him fora baby and infant, you really feel
like, you you know, Imean, besides obviously knowing Huluke Skywalker is

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like, yeah, he's got alot of interesting roles in the story.
Itself. Yeah exactly, And Ilike when he reflects on like what master
Yoda said he was dreams. MasterYoda had said, we're a transconsciousness gateway
to unifying force. Yes, yes, yeah, which is interesting back to
a lot of different things. Exactly. We don't have time to do a

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whole all on dreams, all incaves, all on dreams all yeah,
yes, there's that like the herdDreamers and all that. Like we're gonna
get into it, but it's you. You're gonna need to explain that a
little bit more because I was alittle um, we need to do We'll
do our own episode on it soonbecause it's it's everything that comes together at

(31:11):
the end, like well we'll haveto go into a greater detail than this
episode's going to allow. But goon, So going on with what you're
saying with like the love he's startingto feel. He's like, you know,
you are the first of the newJedi, Luke. And when he's
like waiting into Luke's mind, likehe gets like a reciprocal kind of it's
coming back to him too, andhe's like, oh wow, like I

(31:33):
can feel Luke's power and he likeyou know, breaks away without saying anything,
and he's just like, wow,this is intense. Um. Finally
he arrives at Paolo's shop and ofcourse at that moment, out stomps this
gigantic color and yes, it's great. It's like, I don't know what

(31:55):
to do of what is epic.He's like, I got one of your
kind's ship out, you know,I'm trying to hawk it right now.
And you don't see Galisian the galaxy? No, yeah, not at all
U And of course like this instantlyhe's just like, I, you know,

(32:15):
general grieves kind of feelings. Andthe guy just like walks up to
him and just goes like and sniffship, and then Twayne runs away and
everyone's like like is this like howdeals are done? Here? One bad
whip and like you're out, Likeso outwalks this other alien. We don't

(32:38):
know what exactly what species it is. I couldn't figure it out. But
her name is Zegundas and she's notPaolo. She took over the shop,
but you know, you can dowhatever negotiations with her. And he's like,
oh, well I was referred byand she's like okay, well that's
a pretty good chip. Sorry,po's trying to pipe trying to kill so

(33:01):
and she's like okay, uh,what are you looking for? He's like
one hundred thousand and she's like fiftythousand. Like you know, they're like
debating. She's like, you're delirious. You can't like you can feel the
bathroom foddered tourists like get at ithere? What does she start calling him
like, oh, flat master,flat flat flash. Yeah, yes,

(33:24):
and he's kind of looking at herlike okay, and she's like, oh,
by the way, like I've heardthat the Empire is like offering.
There's like all these like most wantedposters that are like out and about and
he's like uh huh, and whyare you saying this to me. I'm
just trying to sell a ship,you know. So of course, you

(33:47):
know, like he's like maybe tosab in a dark baby, the Master's
just a coincidence. But eventually,like they agree on sixty five thousand credits
and she's like, do you acceptcredit bouchers. He's like, glad ever
work and she's like there's a gungun born every minute, Like all of

(34:08):
Penis stories are, it's spot on. We're going but not at all silly
sody. So in the end,she offers erodium to him as a payment,
and he's like, one last editionhas to happen, Like what's that
And immediately he lunges at her andlike grabs her head and just you know,

(34:31):
he's like, I'm sorry, andye starts to racing her memory into
oblivion, and then the story kindof yeah, yeah, it is.
It's crazy. It's a little bitlike like um as her memory unraveled or
what was that in that that lineit was it was beautiful how yeah,

(34:54):
yeah, it was beautiful how heworded it. So everyone's new reality is
like he's forever an outlaw and atthis point, like he just kind of
did something to a lady who didn'treally quite deserve it, but so he
quickens the pace. This is whenhe noticed that he's being followed and he's
about to be approached, and he'skind of like doing all these like lists

(35:15):
of like the first mistake was this, the first? Second mistake was it?
Yeah, So he spins to findthat three Gammarians from earlier from outside
the pub when he met with Femaand a couple of the other people who
were hanging around there are now approachinghim, and he's like, oh,
shoot, quickly ducks as like thisblack razor brimmed sombrero. It says sombrero

(35:37):
and I was like, oh,I guess they have some burros. And
the story it cuts above him.It's very like it reminds me that Austin
powers like throwing the shoe. Yeahyeah, and like it's the it's the
characters that um what's his name created? Flon he created, right, Yeah,
they're cuss yeah with frog dogs.This was three cuosas frog dogs,

(36:00):
three gamrihans. So after like thehat is thrown, Um, the three
frog dogs is kind of funny.So there's they have Cyborean rabies, so
you really don't want to get closeto those things. And of course,
like in obi Wan's assessment, he'slooking at the kozos and he realized that

(36:21):
these are gozeki, which are likethis high impressive they know, martial art
gangsters and their honor fanatics, solike you don't want anything to do with
them. Basically, so he's likecursing Vima. He's like, gosh,
she did she did betray me?You know, or like or paranoia that
that's sense of urgency and dangers youmean, paranoia from having spice in your

(36:46):
system. Yeah, just you know. But it's like he knows for a
fact that that she wouldn't say anything, and yet his mind immediately jumps to
it the first thought, I noticedthat exactly. But and then he did
not notice the the shig nash whichare approaching if everyone who if you remember

(37:06):
what those are. They're like arachnoidkind of guy, and of course they've
got these like impressive guns and theyhave the ability to what is it that
they can do, like they couldspit like this venom kind of yeah,
and you don't want to catch thaton on you. So it's like three
three in two. And then thedog so he's very grassly outnumbered at this

(37:28):
point and he's carrying a baby.You know, he may be a Jedi.
So he does that decision though,and oh sorry, this is where
he realizes that one of them isusing a squib pencer rifle. So that's
like callback to the squib and hegoes, ah, it was SnO sisky
like it was it was nuts,it was not fema. And he's like

(37:51):
okay, okay, okay. Sohe like jumps behind this wall like around
the quarter, and of course thatwas the final mistake, was making a
deal on our shut up. Theyimmediately like, hey, we know you
just you've got a lot of money, so hand it over. And he's
like, I'm sure we can anofficial agreement, and they're like, can
you not see there's nothing. Yeah. Everyone the negotiator like, oh,

(38:15):
and so the Chicknas are like yeah, no, So this is what's interesting
about them. They also have amind control when they when you get stung,
so they become like anyone who's stungbecomes like a warrior drone for them
for like six days, and thenthey just stay in a vegetative state at
that point. So everyone it kindof appears like the Gamahans are under the

(38:38):
state from the Chicknas, which ispretty interesting. Luke is awake, but
silent, like he's just like uhlike like you're saying, he's very aware
of the situation. And in thedistance. I love this. You can
hear like lead my Nova, whichis a song just like yeah, yeah,

(39:00):
yeah, that was great. Yeah, And there's like musical references in
both stories Skywalkers and um Lone Wolf. I thought that was pretty cool too.
I'm glad you noticed that yeah,yeah, yeah, he just puts
track titles in. I'm like,that's great. I love that stuff so
much. Yeah, so like it'sover and he's like not from my point
of view. And then yeah,they released the dogs the frog Dog and

(39:22):
of course, you know, ObiWan being a smart fighter, hass to
use lightsaber at this point and it'sraining and say you know that there's like
the smoke pouring off of the bladeexactly all that. There was that moment
of tension before it all went down, just like you know, I felt
like we were right in shatter pointwith Mace Wind. It's just like,
oh man, oh man, he'sabout to kill everyone, Chuck Norris,

(39:45):
you and he's got a baby.I'm like, is it Silvester Stallone or
is it still you and McGregor atthis point yeah, and then a of
course, amazingly enough, two morelights flight up and you're kind of like

(40:07):
hooray Master Thom and trussas here likeyeah, God is about to happen and
yeah, and he's just like,oh wait, I don't think I know
he used to and everything like allyou know, it goes to like all
pelps, all pulps and breaks looseand these Jedi just start annihilating everyone.

(40:30):
And when I say Jedi, that'sgoing to be infatience again. So I
love when like the female Gammahans theystarted like charging at Obi Wan and he
kind of like pulls them towards himand then steps out away and they just
completely go so much into the wall. Oh it's such as like yes,
you know, letting the inertia inits own force. So funny, Um,

(40:51):
Luke is now passive style, youknow. Yeah, and like Luke's
panic crying, like panic crying.Obi One's like, Okay, something's wrong,
something's wrong. Looks at them,blues in that these are not just
Jedi, their dark Jedi. Soif Kyle, if you want to explain
a little bit about um the darkDark the dark Jedi, they're both from

(41:14):
um different cults, if you would. So there's a bit fash which we
know them from other tales UM andthen they what is it the genis Sari?
Was it the Genaria the Genesis Sari? Because yeah, there you go.
I'm sorry I should know that offthe top of my head. But
um, and we will see moreof these and supernational encounters. By the

(41:37):
way, there's a lot of morecovered on this, but um yeah,
so more or less, there's beena lot of people that that obi Wan
is killed, and in the CloneWars we learned they do kind of like
draw it out a little bit sowe understand eventually who these people are.
It's like this, It's like,who are these mysterious dark Jedi? And
it's cool, there's a backstory.Um Obi Wan ended up killing how we

(42:00):
know may and Falmador is his nameright for the the bit fash her lover
Famad thank you. Um again,I don't have my notes in front of
the apologies, but so you know, they've come together pretty much because like
the Jedi waged war on a lotof different kind of like cults, force

(42:23):
users, some whatnot who aligned themselveswith separatists throughout the stories the lore and
um so, this is kind ofone of those why now, why now
moments for obi Wan Kenobi and hereflects on the fact that he's killed so
many people and he doesn't really spenda lot of time thinking about how many
people who have been orphaned, ifnot you know, at least like their

(42:46):
fathers are gone, their their familiesgone, et cetera. And um so
that's all up in his face too, so you know, now we're mixing
in all the regret and the realityof who he is now. It's like
that general comes at a that thattitle. It's like it's a little bit
heavier than just like a military rank. And you know the PTSD from going

(43:07):
through it, it's the how youstand in the world after the whole thing,
and it's like, yeah, youknow, and that was an interesting
moment of self reflection for obi Wanbecause you understand, like now how he's
just like he's also understanding he's teeteringon the dark side and what he is.
So it's it's a it's a lotof self actualization moments at this point.
And so yeah, May is herefor revenge, as is her lover

(43:32):
Um. Yes, against the Jedi, and obviously, like you know,
obi Wan Kenobe was personally slay May'sfather Um in a crisis during the Clone
Wars, and this is a revengemoment out of nowhere because you know,
obviously are our friend from the beginningof the tale tipped off through through the

(43:54):
back channels and they figured out thatObi Wan was here. You know,
they were kind of like waiting,I think to be honest, I think
they were on the on the huntfor Fresa and Foley if I remember correctly,
in the first place. So itkind of seems like it was a
happy coincidence that they were able todouble back on Obi Row. Yeah,

(44:15):
what's what's it significant about? Likethe Bifaci. They're an old enemy of
the Jedi, and they're often livingin the Slui sector, which is home
of Dagaba. So Obi one's alsolike, oh my gosh, if there's
like a ton of these around,like his Yoda in trouble because that's where
Yoda is, and he's like,but I have no way being able to
contact him or you know, findhim. And yeah, there's a lot

(44:37):
of mamages to that, like howhe just has to kind of learn how
to like let go. He can'tbe um, he's got all these crises
and all these dark like sudden,oh my god, panic moments and he
can't do a thing about it becauseevery second is crises, like in real
time, real time crisis. Yeah, and so now like a woman like
may she calls him a murderer.She's like, you don't know me,

(44:59):
like you killed my father basically,And yeah, he's just like how many
people have I orphaned over the years, Like you would think you'd be so
accustomed to death because of all thepeople he's ever loved have died in his
arms. Um Sarasti, satine Quigone like almost anakins like you know,
he's just living with ghosts at thispoint exactly. So the Bifasci Famatu,

(45:21):
he's like as part of the likehis capability starts throwing force illusion at Obi
one. So he's just he's seeingsuddenly like Yoda, Sirie, anakin h
like all of them kind of likein the rain as the rain drops down,
like you know, appearing like justlike to throw Obi went off because
of course, like you want totake down this Jedi and they want to
take him apart what what is cool? And there's another little reference here.

(45:45):
So when he went to the worldto kill May's like and accidentally killed May's
father, it was on Sassafe andthere was two others that had gone with
him at that point. It wasHalcion And for the guys who don't know
who Master Halcyon is, that isthe grandfather of corn Horn and Woo.

(46:06):
And of course like that significant becausewe're covering X wing theories. So you
guys can turn into those episodes andwe'll talk more about kind of see where
we're going with all this. There'sgoing to be a grand, a grand
episode where we tire all the familiestogether, So maybe we'll keep touching on
these certain highlights beforehand to get itprepared exactly exactly. So, and I

(46:29):
did wanted to say, like Ihad been sitting in like going, why
do I know the name Halcyon?And Halcyon it comes like, first of
all, it's in Greek mythology.It's a story. It's a beautiful and
sad story of like a woman andher her lover and he dies and she
jumps off the cliff to like toget his body, but suddenly she turns

(46:50):
into a bird and then cradles himin her wing, and when she's like
trying to kiss and revive him,the gods are so touched by this that
they also turn him into a birdso that she carries him away um to
like funeral pyre basically, So basicallya halcyon is like the Greek for a
kingfisher. So and there's been acouple of ships over time, but the

(47:14):
whole word terminology of like the HalcyonDays, which is like the seven days
before and after the winter solstice wherewaters, so it's like it's it's a
seafaring kind of term. However,it's now a ship in Star Wars and
that Disney is now using as theirhotel and it's where you know Leah really.

(47:43):
So that's just my little fun factabout the name Helston mm hmm.
And like, you know, ashout out to um Tanusia too, because
he was like he was amazing.Yeah. Yeah. So when Obi Want's
kind of like standing off, he'she's being very kind of pragmatic with how

(48:06):
he has to deal with these twodark Jedi, Like he's kind of keeping
them both in his in his face, you know, so that they can't
get around him. And he's apologizingto her for killing her father and he's
like, but the Jinsai were misled, so like you're a refusion of Jedi
and Sith. So I'm sorry,but this was like bound to happen,

(48:27):
and this angers her, like eventhough she had been kind of apologize like
understanding you know, she gave hername and then famaters like don't tell him
that. Yeah, he's such adouche. Yeah, sorry, I get
it though. He's just he's likeclearly the boyfriend. Yeah, it was
painted well for him too, exactly. Yeah, He's like, I'm here,
I'm probably gonna get messed up,but you have to do the whole

(48:49):
honor thing well. And May hadsaved for Madou from suicide because when his
brother had died, like he wasdefinitely gonna do it. And then so
then they shared this bond and theyhave like a mental bond where they can
like communicate through. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty cool. They're like children
of war in their own right.Yeah, which was kind of like a
cool angle too. Right. Wesee a lot of that in Fate of
the Jedi, so we see alittle bit of that going on here,

(49:12):
even though it's not Sith per se. Yeah. I do like that they
talk a little bit more about Sothis is kind of new to me,
and this is about the your dreamsthat you were mentioning m where they talk
about chaos and again that goes backto like Greek mythology like when when chaos
started you get through chaos, itwas darkness. So you get nicks and

(49:36):
erebus, which is darkness and whatthe dark jed I are here saying that
through chaos, Um, darkness wasthe first thing to derive. There was
no light, just true. Soeverything is going to go back darkness.
So it's kind of like their interpretationlike how the cysts are like coming back
and that's for the fact in mythought. Yeah again, that's I want

(50:01):
to say so much, we're gonnaWe're gonna table it and make another episode
just on that. Yeah. SoMatt is like, hand over the babe
and we will take care of himand we will show him the truth.
And Obi One's like and then runsaway. Yes, yes, and it
talks. It's so awesome how he'slike literally ripping himself apart running and there's

(50:25):
those points that um that he he'slike, I'm not running for Quigan,
you know, he's not running foranything else, but he's running to save
that child. And there's that thatfunny moment when um him and from Uh
they meet up kind of you know, it almost catches him. Yeah,
exactly. Well, I like theelaborate on that. Well you get to

(50:49):
tie in with the title of thebook, um, the Blood Wolf.
So and like the blood Wolf issignificant to comparing it to Obi Wan in
this moment because this type of animumis very patriotic and patriotic sorry, and
protective and as a brood father,it's more protective than anything, and we'll
kill everything and everything or its offspringum and can also run really really really

(51:15):
fast, hence why obi Wan ison his like fast mode and he's like
running like one hundred seventy kilometers sixhundred kilometers. He's going faster than like
the planet basically, and he's like, am I flying pretty much? But
yeah, he's like I can't.He's like I know they're following me,
and yeah, like there's a onepoint where just like an impossible corner and

(51:35):
then you're yeah, you're right frommotto And where else do they go?
But like down into like the rottingup part of the city, Like he's
a way shot. You alluded toit being like it's been called like you
know, mini chorus on kind ofidea. Yeah, and then we get
that for sure, yeah, andum yeah, now we're down here in

(51:59):
the under ally. It's so crazy, like they're following like falling, falling,
falling, and you just get likethe emerald green light like closer and
closer to him. Yeah, uh, and of course they like they go
into their own battle. So butbefore like yeah, May, she has
this kind of moment before like anythinghappens between yeah, and she knows.

(52:21):
She knows that her lover is goingto die. And that's that's the whole
your is it you are dream oryour I don't know you are you are
a dream? Okay, if youwant to just say er, I say
er er dream. But um yeahyeah so um so she knows and inevitably,

(52:42):
um, everyone beheads him. Yeahyou know, and then there's this
this moment when she's really coming togrips with it, and back to that
whole idea of of like um obione really this is where he kind of
like has the some of all partsmomentum May standing before him. Well,
don't get too far ahead. Ifyou could explain what your dream is,

(53:06):
right she it's like a little premonitionin this in this case, Yeah,
like what how he described it waslike before and beyond all things in which
some of realities interbreed. So it'skind of like what Obi Wan was saying,
like there's truth and dream, um, and there's one other little thing.
I just wanted to say. I'msorry to interrupt you, but she

(53:27):
was thinking about like the relationship thetwo of them have, and it's just
such a perfect way to describe adisgusting boyfriend girlfriend pairing up. Where they
were they're like two perfect black holessucking at each other. Yeah most people.
Yeah, the destructive, very destructiverelationship right from the beginning. And

(53:47):
and like you're saying, when theywere doing the fall, like that's when
he beheads him. But how hebeheads them is he taps into Luke and
yeah, Loop's energy because obi Wan'sgetting tired, tired, tired, tired.
He hasn't really slept or done anythingsince like the fight from the Anakin
and and who knows before that evenand he like uses Luke's energy and then

(54:12):
gives the off the illusion that he'sFamatu's brother, and that's when he's yeah,
oh yeah, that is right.That yeah, and like that's when
he's able to the head of sorryand then you know, French, they
land on the ground and the headbasically cracks open from ye and he thought
that Luke was dead for a second, and he's like waiting for the heartbeat

(54:36):
of Luke to shut up again,and and then suddenly there's like a loud
thud of revenge coming behind him,which he knows as May right, and
she discovers that horrible, you know, crunched out head of her lover and
vombits I mean rightly, So it'spretty pretty foul. And that's where that
that moment is because you know,we're we have at this point too,

(55:00):
because like, you know, everythingthat he's been conjuring up about his place
in the galaxy, we have thefact that like Quigan's actually spoken to him
and the only source in the entirelore besides TCW. Like, so there's
all this stuff going in his mind, and he has that realization that he
is on the precipice of the darkSide because May is goading him into this

(55:22):
final showdown and he just won't.Yeah, he just won't. Instead of
despite and they talk about you know, you mentioned the blood Wolf that was
its own page just describing that,and despite everything, all of those emotions
that he he was feeling like Ihave to kill this these people, you
know what I mean, like obviously, because he wants to protect Luke.

(55:42):
And at that moment, though,he realizes, like, this is the
dark side, this is my attachmentand he actually, you know, this
whole book, he's just been goingboard forward and he pauses and we see
the Obi one we know again shinethrough in that moment, and he throws
the lightsaber blade down. Yeah,and it wasn't even his lightsaber blade.

(56:04):
He had picked up thematus and she'slike supurpissed about that. And he's like
trying to like first of all,say like let's not fight, but he
sees that yeah, there's they're goingto both die in the confrontation. Um,
there's no way going around it.Like he kind of goes into his
own like you know, like sequenceof how how am I going to see
this happening? And yeah, um, there's this beautiful moment where he takes

(56:30):
Luke and he's describes it as thefirst and last kiss that he's given to
Luke and like props like the cradleboard against the wall and yeah, like
he's standing before her going like no, like I won't I won't fight you.
Um. But then he asks her, because he knows he's going to

(56:50):
die, that if I die,you have to take loop and you have
to bring him to his final destination. And she's like what no, and
he's like this is the only wayI'll fight and like that's just crazy,
like that you have to convince yourenemy to take this babe and bring him
to tattooed and she she agrees though, which is trying to where I do

(57:13):
see some good in you, andshe's like there's like, yeah, you
don't know me. There's moments likethat, right, It's it's not quite
the same situation at all. Butthe first time I read that, I
was like, there's that moment andkill Bill. Um what two no one
one when she realizes that she's pregnant, even though the assassin's there to murder
her, and they both just backaway from the situation. It's like obviously

(57:37):
that you know she's not going toback away, but that same like realization,
like they had their own time out. You know. It's one of
those surreal kind of situations. Congratulations, I love that sooner kill Bill,
like the door slam shut, likeyeah, yeah, after she Yeah,

(57:57):
that was such a funny moment,like yeah but she remember like beautrius,
she just dropped the pregnants. YeahI was behind. Oh what a great
movie. Yeah, I also causedplay that open guys, and if only
she would have realized. You know, it's just like, yeah, she
should have just walked away, liketaken the deal and like just walked away.

(58:21):
Yeah, but of course that's that'snot the way of this story.
So you know, when he refusesto fight with Omato's lightsaber, she then
takes it too, like back tothe dark Side, and May like she
removes a rope and she's got alllike the sixth armor, like all and
spiky and everything and like super cool, and she like jumps to the wall

(58:42):
and like grabs Luke, and immediais like, you know, fight me,
and everyone's panic, you know,panics. Yeah, like don't like
no, like give like give himto me. She's like fight me.
And Luke's eyes open like wide,beautiful blue eyes and like stars at May,
and May's like like kind of takenaback in this moment. And suddenly

(59:05):
the last kind of failsafe that Obewanhad set up, Anakin's lightsaber goes and
like goes right through her chin likea head, and Obi wants, like
what just happened? Because I didn'ttrigger that. That was that moment of
I immediately thought of Rogue Planet whenwhen Anakin just stares and it's like that

(59:27):
evil you know moment that happens therewith the blood Carver. The first time
I read it, that's the firstinstinct I had, was like that my
first memory, and I was like, oh my gosh. And then and
then of course, of course,like who steps out of the shadows but
old Vima and yeah, like yeah, um like and you're like, oh,

(59:52):
okay, was it Vima or wasit Luke that did it? And
obi Wan even says like, waswas that you? And she doesn't really
end sir, so yeah, youshould have taken my second offer, which
was, uh that was the offerto help with the fight and whatnot.
Okay, yeah, that's kind ofhow she says it, but she she

(01:00:14):
does kind of leave it open ended. It could be debated from a certain
point of view. Yeah, andyou know she does say like, oh,
well, this is my home inthe underworld though, like this is
fine. Yeah, I'm pretty sureshe spiked it, but you can't tell.
Yeah, I don't know. Ilike to think it's her where she's
getting her powers back, but it'salso like, if it's Luke, that's
pretty cool too, but it's anEU who shot first moment will never be

(01:00:40):
able to know so she like givesLuke a little pad on the head and
you know, gives him the castum. He is recovering, like he's
still now. Luke is a weakbecause obi One had to tap into his
energy. But in time she's like, you know, I could heal you
both, and Obie One's like,I I've been only had like four hours
from the guy go to like getonto that other ship um to head towards

(01:01:02):
Quinn Station, So I we haveto. He does kind of like wonder
a bit more like now that they'releaving this evil world and like they're finally
heading to quin Station, he's thinkingabout full Contrasa and like if they escaped
and what happened to them, um, you know, like or if Ma
and Famatu had found them. Buthe won't he won't know. He won't

(01:01:25):
know if Yodo's okay, he won'tknow, but all these things. But
he has to go now to Quinstation, which will take him to Tattooin and
from there live his life as asolitary Jedi. What is fun though he
did have some comfort that Vima wasplanning to give a house call to Schnats,

(01:01:46):
So there's like, uh, that'swhen such a wonderful character to have
in this story. It's cool.It's cool to get all these little characters
like coming in. There's one littlenote here, and I just wanted to

(01:02:07):
discuss this because I thought was avery bizarre thing because he's feeding Luke with
a sponge crate milk. Now,if anyone knows what a crate is,
it's a dragon. And this isthe only time it's ever mentioned to drink
crate milk is in this story andin Dark Empire two. So I was

(01:02:29):
very much like, is that atypo? Or do you forget that a
crate was a dragon? Because Icannot imagine milking a dragon. It's just
it's a two. Yeah. Soin the end, like when he had
said to May, like you'll beable to find the coordinates, like if

(01:02:49):
he had died to take Luke toand what had happened was he had a
lightsaber. Like the lightsaber within ithas a Kiber memory crystal that R two
D two had gave him with theLars Homesteads coordinates. I just thought that
was really sweet that like our twoI think, consciously gave him the information
that he needed. Right. Ohyeah, yeah, are two central to

(01:03:13):
the whole thing. Huh. Imean yeah, I he never died,
and of course he's having this littlelast moment like will they let me train
him? Perhaps not? Yeah,yeah, And we retouched the idea of
you know, the Owen and thebrother um yea brotherhood angle to it too,

(01:03:34):
so that kind of leaves it opento interpretation. Um, I've heard
speculation too, do you know that. It's like, you know, ob
one could have been biologically they're allthat kind of stuff. So like,
actually brothers with Owen too, There'sthere's been speculation. Wow, you'll have
to follow up, Evan. Idon't like, I know it says in

(01:04:00):
return of that, I get abrother. But again it's it's it's been
out there and I'm like, Iwould like to believe that that would that
would be kind of how everything gottied together, but then that would actually
make Annak and his brother and thenit's weird. Yeah, I just liked
the illusion. It's yeah, Ithought it was kind of an interesting take.

(01:04:24):
I was like, okay, yeah, see me, that could possibly
go. And that's the wonderful writingof Abel is like, you know,
a lot of things are just kindof purposely vague in just the right way.
Yeah, and Kyle, I lovedhow it kind of ended, like
he's now leaving um Narshouda. He'sglad to never see such a wretched home
high of scum and villainy ever again. But of course, you know that's

(01:04:47):
his fate is to live it.But I like that he calls himself.
He's like, you know, butuncle ben if if if Luke wants to
call me that, I'm definitely right. Beautiful story. Yeah. I really
enjoyed this story. Probably if youcould explain where to listeners to find it
and a little bit of the badhistory about it as well. Absolutely,

(01:05:10):
um yeah, absolutely it's it's nowavailable. You can find it. Um.
I don't believe to Abel host itanymore. You can keep searching on
Google, or you can just goto Star Wars timeline dot net and Joe
has Um Skywalkers and uh Lone Wolfas a single pdf kind of how it
was originally released available there for free. Um. It's it's an easiest way

(01:05:31):
to look it up. Otherwise youget a lot of strange stuff on Google.
Yeah, um, yeah, whichis the reason why it was kind
of cool. I mean, meand Joy were talking one day and it's
like, hey, can you hostit there because Abel's kind of walked um
off the Star Wars scene for now. Yeah, he doesn't really, he
didn't. He was one of theauthors too that didn't really take this whole
um Um retcon well and afterwards,you know, like they this project year

(01:06:00):
as well as Skywalker Yeah, andlike as well as Skywalkers was um you
know, never formally published in anphysical media forum, and you know,
and he kind of just after thewhole situation, I think that he felt
really sour about everything because he wasreally deeply involved in like West End games
and everything else. A lot ofthe Star Wars inside our articles that are

(01:06:21):
some of the most favored and remembered, he wrote. You know, him
and Joe Bonjoura had have had afunctional m friendship for quite some time and
all that too, and um soI kind of see where he's coming from.
Yeah. Um. But the historyof this whole thing, the reason

(01:06:41):
why it's uh might I talked aboutit and then together in particular in the
situation is because when the reboot occurredand um Disney was taking over everything and
squashing everything, they were both approachedAbel Pina and Joe and Jorno on the
the idea that they were just goingto publish these stories Supernatural Encounters as well

(01:07:02):
as Skywalkers, as well as umlone Wolf. They're just going to publish
them through star Wars dot com andthat would be that, and Abel was
okay with that. So these storieswere put on star wars dot com.
They they no longer do host themthough, um they're also star Wars dot

(01:07:24):
com is unfortunately deleting on a it'sabout a ten years cycle. They are
deleting a lot of the stuff thatused to be on the site. So
that's a separate topic. But um, yeah. And then job Bonjourno's work,
they sanctioned it to be published onStar Wars timeline dot net for any
people who need this to be clearedup. And so because of the breath
of Supernatural Encounters, that's where insteadof cutting it down because they couldn't publish

(01:07:47):
it on star warstime dot com becauseof the length, he was like,
can I hosted on my site?And they said that's fine. So these
are the last legend stories that wereformally sanctioned by Lucasfilm at that time.
You know, since then, we'vehad what a couple short stories now on

(01:08:08):
the Swodor website, and we hadthat just recently. By the way,
those are the first published little shortstories that were like, I think a
page or two out of nowhere latbetween last year and this year. I
believe there was. They might haveall been this year, all the same,
not too long ago, and wehad one oh eight by Marvel,
but there hasn't been anything since thesetwo stories. These were the formal formal

(01:08:30):
clothes to the EU, and unfortunately, able Pena never really got a whole
lot of recognition for this work,despite it being published on star Wars dot
Com. Nobody questions the legitimacy ofthese stories. People just don't know them.
And so it's kind of like away you can look at these two
tales to able wrote and compare thatto the whole discussion about kinicity canonicity in

(01:08:56):
regard to supernatural encounters. It's kindof like what wages everything. So there's
a lot of like political reasons whythis story is is crucial to the EU
as a whole um. It's it'sa market history, so we're talking about
it. It's like it is ashort novella as is Skywalkers, but they're
incredibly important where they stand in inthe makeup of everything. Um, we

(01:09:23):
choose to continue on here in ourplatform and the Praxium and everything else.
You know, these were the finalstories and uh, this one was one
hell of a banger in my opinion. Um, you know, so I'm
really happy with the tales that wedid get before um, they wiped out
everything we love over there. Sorry, I mean before before they cut corporate

(01:09:45):
costs or whatever they decided to do, you know, before whatever it is
that they've made this I'm not gonnakeep talking, it's gonna digress, but
yeah, it's it's wonderful. Andagain, anybody who asked questions about see
Supernatural Encounters can look to this storyas well as Skywalkers and be like,

(01:10:06):
oh, okay, so now youknow what actually happened, rather than listening
to the smear campaign that's been goingon for the past eight years on the
internet. So yeah, it's veryimportant. Yeah, I'm sure that job
and Joiner I would answer any questionsin regard to anything I just said if
you ask him, and good luckreaching able. But yeah, it was

(01:10:29):
like formally recognized on the website aswell. So well, it's a heck
of a tale. I quite enjoyedit. It is I mean, it
isn't want more. Will be one. Like I said earlier, we recently
did an episode on Practice Chat onall things Kenobi and well, doing my
notes, I I was like,you know, this is going to take

(01:10:53):
me a while if I write everythingthat will be One has ever done,
because like he does everything. Let'sbe real, guys. And I printed
out like all the books, comics, video games, everything that is listed
on Wikipedia, and it's fourteen pageslong of everything he's ever done in particular.

(01:11:18):
But oh my goodness, I ranout of time. I was like,
I got to like page Obi one. We did a lot in eury
short poor period of time. Yeah, we all love you. And you
know, like I've been listening againto Nobi the the audiobook, just because

(01:11:38):
it's such an amazing production, youknow, and just like hearing him talk,
feeling like you said with this story, like you get um Qui gone
actually responding to him and saying likeyou're not a failure, whereas in Kenobi,
like he you know, he's onlyever monologuing too too Wi gone.
But and that's that's like something thatwe were talking talking about before we tape

(01:12:00):
to a monumental thing that was justput into the story. Yeah, it
was freaking awesome. We finally getthat. And I know that there was
like the whole TCW episode, whichis fine, but but for people who
wanted it in the lore itself,like there you go. Well, I
think it was a great story everyone. I'll post the link for you to

(01:12:21):
listen to it again. I alsoposted the pdf in our discord, so
everyone, if you want to geta hold of that, you can go
to our discord in the link,or check out ww dot Legends Library podcast
dot com or follow us on Twitter, Facebook, and Kyle, you want
to let people to know how theycan get a hold of you, sure

(01:12:43):
you can find me at darn Katarnon Twitter and Left Hand Path twenty three
on Instagram, as well as onthe Supernatural Encounters, the Sifth Council Discord,
the Jedi Praxium Discord, Legends LiveVery discord. Of course, like
Lisa said, yeah, we're wehave our hands in a lot of pies

(01:13:04):
these days. Yeah, we're allover the place. We're kind of like,
you know, not to get offtrack, but before finishing closers like
check out the Jedi Praxium as well, or that just the praxium rather.
Yeah, because we're heavily involved inthere, and a lot of the themes
that we're going to be discussing withLegends Libraries are a Legend Library is going

(01:13:26):
to be reflected over there as well. Should be a good time. Yeah,
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