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January 4, 2022 • 104 mins
The long months in the making episode of X Wing: Rogue Squadron is finally here!!! Well, part one of this iconic series. Join Kyle and Liisa as they break into the much-anticipated X Wing series and plunge into the Galaxy at war still with the Empire led by the fierce Ysanne Isard.

In this episode, we announced a giveaway contest plus the very exciting announcement on the Conclave. Update: Sadly the Praxeum will not be moving forward.

Join us as we kick off the X Wing series!

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host, We surmount title roles andwelcome to Legends Library. We are the
podcast dedicated to the Legends line ofStar Wars books. And I'm Lisa and

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I'm Pyle, and we're here todayafter a little bit of a long hiatus,
but we're here today to talk aboutX Swing Rogue Squadron, so book
one of the X Swing series.We're going to finally we're going to finally
attempt this one. It's been quitea while, so I'm glad to be
back in the game with you,Lisa. And yes, we're going to

(01:34):
take down the first installment of RogueSquadron. Yeah, I'm excited just to
kind of, you know, listenersto wonder where we've been for the last
few months. So recently, like, well, not recently, a few
months ago, I decided to basicallyorder sixty six my relationship and kind of

(01:56):
start life over a little bit differently. So that really kind of just like
set me off on a self journey, you know, like Darth Bain,
you know, having to go intothe Valley of the Dark Lords and things
like that. I definitely listened toa lot of Darth Bain while I was
riding my motorcycle. And then lateron in the summer, I may or

(02:17):
may not have come off my motorcycleand a rainstorm and fractured my or microfractured
my knee in a couple of spots. So that was basically the rest of
my year. So when from thatsituation to that, so it's been a
lot of self healing mentally and physically. Unfortunately. Yeah, I'm glad.

(02:43):
I'm still glad. You're all right? That was That was a scary time,
Lisa. Yeah. I wasn't toohappy. And the worst part is
like we were actually going to recordthe night before and then I was like,
well, I'm going to do thismotorcycle trip tomorrow, so you know,
let's postpone it. So this episodeguys was like months ago in the
making, and all that stuff happened, and it's just it's been the theme

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of the year. Lisa had herhorrific accident and then I also went through
a pretty significant breakup. And thenright shortly after Lisa had her situation,
one of my friends also passed froma motorcycle accident. So that kind of
put me in those dark welves ofCorban as well. Yeah and uh yeah,

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so we were both kind of KOedfor a little while there. But
we're back. We're back, andwe're here to talk about Star Wars.
Yes we are. I have tosay I've been missing it. I have
read this book three times, butit's definitely been the longest book it's taken
me ever to read for Star Wars. You know, like some books like

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I've read in like a day anda half, I'm like, it's so
good, but this one, I'mlike, life struggles everything up. I
think it was the pacing, tobe honest, because there's a special place
in our hearts for this era ofStar Wars, this era of the way
that they wrote the sci fi forus at that time, and when when

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things are so tumultuous in our personallives. Getting into the flow of that
is just difficult. Yeah, exactly. I definitely can conquer with that.
Yeah. I think that's a politicalway to put it right, you know,
politically correct way to put it.Yeah, it's our nice way of
saying things here on Legend's Library.But you know, before we get into

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we did want to talk a littlebit about some news. So Kyle,
if you could, let's talk aboutthe announcement. Oh. Yes, I
have very exciting news to share withyou today. It was last month or
so, perhaps longer than that,that I was invited via p see through
Job and Jorno to join this groupcalled the Jedi Conclave, And they're also

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known as the Jedi Praxium. They'resynonymous, but they are in a nonprofit
organization who is gathering funds and spendinga great deal of their time to bring
us a true specifically Legends Star Warsconvention. Yeah, it's a Star Wars

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convention that will be based in Baltimore, Maryland, in the year twenty twenty
three. It's going to be quitea special occasion. I believe that these
people are more than capable of bringingthis off the ground. I've been very
impressed from what I've been hearing sofar. They're very organized. They are
a formal nonprofit at this point.You can find them on Twitter. You

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can find them on Reddit. Ifyou type in Jedi Praxium, they will
come up. Yeah, it's it'svery exciting times and at the end of
the broadcast, I will provide specificaddresses to reach them. Okay, if
you're curious about anything going on withthat, it's going to be great.
It's gonna be twenty twenty three Baltimore, Maryland. Put it on your calendars

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for that summer and we'll post alink of where you can donate. Is
that what it's going to be like? People are going to be donating or
for fundraising it or what is it? There's going to be that. There's
going to be memberships which will involveexclusive Star Wars memorabiliate that they are trying
to put together at this at thisvery moment. Yeah, yes, and

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hopefully discounts to do other things withinthe community as well as as details release.
I'll be sure to keep you appraised, Lisa, of course, and
which also miss Lisa very well.Maybe joining that board of directors yay,
Yes, which is another announced initself. The Legends Library will be uh

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ina hoots with with the Jedi Conclaveslash Praxium, and we shall hopefully have
quite a pivotal role in the developmentof this Legends convention. And it's going
to be definitely a unique occasion thatcannot be missed. And I will there,

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yes, across the border, yes, and hopefully people from around the
country will be showing up, becausethat seems to be what's going on at
the moment. That's the buzz isthe members of the board will be will
be coming. It's it's going tobe caused quite the stir and I don't
want to give away anybody who willbe there as of right now, but

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vendors are also apt to apply ifthey wish to participate. Again, that
will leave you the contact details atthe end of the show. I'm very
excited, and you know, hopefullyyou get some listeners coming out and saying
hi, and maybe we can doour own panel or or even just kind
of like a group of meet upafterwards. We'll see what happens. And

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you know, how many listeners maybethree, because I think we really have
ten and they're just as important asa thousand, every single one of them.
Yes, yes, and thank youfor listening to us. And i
know it's been a while, soand I'm very happy and excited to be
back finally. In my Dark Times, I did write a little bit about

(08:31):
Dark Sato, so I'm kind ofplaying around with that character and seeing what
she's all about. Yes, andI must say that, Lisa, you
did leave on a pretty good noteas well though, with that epic episode
with Alan Dean Foster. So eventhough there's been a hiatus of Legends Library,
what a good cliffhanger before. Thankyou. That was such a fun

(08:52):
interview and he's such a lovely man. It was pretty fun talking music with
him. So if the listeners,if you haven't checked that out before,
check that out, you know,maybe go back and take a listen to
that as well. And then yeah, we do have more news, but
we're gonna stay with for another episodewhen it's like, got a little bit

(09:13):
more information to share in a littlebit more time, and it's it's gonna
be very exciting. Yeah, we'lljust leave it on another cliffhanger. But
I did want to talk briefly aboutthe fact that there was the new video
game that's coming out, which isEclipse, and I, you know,

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I was excited because anything really kindof Star Wars obviously, I'm always going
to be excited and watching. Youknow, I don't play the video games
myself, because I'm not someone who'sever played video games except for one level
of Vader Immortal. That's it.That's all I've ever done. But I
always watched them. I watched itin like when people play it and post

(09:54):
it on YouTube. I watched itin real time and things like that,
because it's just I want to knowwhat happens and things like that. But
there was kind of just some informationthat came out on Twitter. I saw
that Star Wars Explained posted it aboutone of the guys involved in the project
in the company in Montreal, whichhe doesn't sound And I'm not happy about

(10:15):
this because it's like he said,he's said a lot of things. He's
caused toxic work atmosphere, and it'sjust it's disappointing that they hire someone that
is going to do this. Solike he was saying that, and excuse
my language, you were writing aquote, um um that all women in
video games are hors. So it'slike Okay, so that's already your your
mindset towards half of your audience.Okay, great, he was also so

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it was a lot of misogyny,anti gay comments. Um, he would
put pictures of his employees on Nazisand like photoshop them and things like that,
and like some people quit because ofthis. So it's just like men,
doesn't he This is really what youwant to keep tying yourself too.
And you were saying to me earlierabout something with one of Harvey Weinstein's employees.

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Yeah, forgive me, I can'tremember what show she's directing out of
the twenty that are supposedly coming out, if they come out, but it's
the one that's supposed to be setin the High Republic. So that was
its own bit of news. That'sa little bit old at this point,
but yeah, it is upsetting.It is upsetting that she was the chosen

(11:26):
one to go forward and direct inthis show. Yeah, given you know
about the Harvey Weinstein institution, Wellit started to me too, movement,
and it's just like especially like nowtoday with everything that's going on, and
like women's rights are just getting evenpushed for them further back. Like look,
what's going on in the States,Look, what's going on in Afghanistan.

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And even this book addresses things likethat where you know, like it
was a very sexist, anti womenand anti alien kind of environment, and
you know, like and it continuallykeeps happening, and it's just like,
how are you going to keep womeninterested in Star Wars if you're if you're
going to have this kind of thing, And people are going on, I'm
not gonna play the video game nowbecause of this guy. And it's just

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like, I wouldn't want to buyanything from, you know, a company
that would have this as like,obviously we can't control or know this kind
of stuff, but like, comeon, it's like it's public knowledge.
All you gotta do is just likegoogle somebody's name and then don't hire them.
It's not that hurt. Yeah,I think a proven record of comparisons

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to Nazis with your employees is apr nightmare waiting to happen. So I
also don't know why they would goforward with such a character. There are
certain things that you can't do becauseof the platform that you're on. Exactly,
social media doesn't necessarily matter for themost common lay person and whatnot.

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But when you are leading the chargefor a multi international project such as this,
I think that those kind of thingsshould be considered, especially given the
times, and especially given the politicalsituations that they have continuously forced a fan
fan base to subject themselves too.Exactly, absolutely, and I am biased,

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but I am trying to remain asobjective as possible and just look at
what look at the facts and whatI see, keep my own opinion out
of it. But this is it'sit's really difficult to remain that way.
Yeah, Like I'm not normally thisopinionated saying like don't follow something or don't
do it because of this reason,but it's like for me, it's just
like it's just another thing against womenat this point that I'm like, come

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on, like I'm tired of it. Like it's just there's no reason for
this to keep keep happening, especiallythis day and age, but yet it's
just continuing, and I just findit very frustrating. And like one thing
I noticed significantly, So We've talkedabout this before. I'm a big follower
of the Star Wars tops card tradingapp and U sometimes they do some stuff

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for women, but it's only oneyou really like push back. And they
were doing this like monthly event thingwhere they would have like character of the
month, and for all the monthsthey had one female and it got to
like eight male characters and one female, and I kept like calling them out
on it, and I even putit on Twitter, and they just ignored
me, being like why are youonly featuring male characters? Like you know,

(14:20):
you only did subbine at one point, and I was like what,
like what, there's a disconnect,and like that's what I'm saying. You
need to address the disconnect and whyyou're doing this. And while you think
it's okay, because obviously you thinkyou don't think it's a problem, but
it is a problem. That's why, like this video game it like it
irked me. And I'm I apologizelisteners that I'm going on a little bit

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about this, but like, comeon, just knock it off. This
is what I'm saying. Let mejust enjoy Star Wars because I want to
enjoy Star Wars right Like I'm hereand I get it. And to get
back to the topic of the gameactually coming out, I'm very excited that
the community is excited. It's notmy cup of tea because you already know

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my feelings on the matter with whenit comes to what's going on now versus
the Lucas verse. But at thesame token, it is difficult to get
excited over a cinematic trailer because that'sanybody can make that look amazing. Who
knows what the actual game is goingto be. But I am glad that
the community is has something to lookforward to. Unfortunately it's fired by the
political associations tied to it. Buttrying to make you know, a little

(15:28):
bit of light here on the matterfor fans who are excited about the game
exactly, it does look a littlelike Nemoidian kind of base. There's the
villains. Yeah, there's a lotof theories going on. I was looking
at the fact that I'm pretty surethat some of it just reminded me of
the Alien anthology, But I mean, who am I to judge those kind

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of things. I'll keep my opinionsout of it. But it was like,
okay, okay, I enjoyed themusic that they put along to it.
That was cool, cinematic, kindof expected as a video games out
there. Now, Yeah, Iwas excited. And when I saw that
on Twitter, I was like,oh boo, like so yeah, oh
well, yeah, I'm more excitedabout the codeer remake that they're doing,

(16:12):
but I'm afraid that they're just goingto destroy it by altering the game itself
and the core storyline, which I'msure is what's happening. I've purposely been
trying to stay away from the newsand the power battles going on on social
media when it comes to that game, But as a whole, that seems
to be more exciting to me,hopefully, as long as they don't completely

(16:32):
butcher it um in terms of thevideo game world than what they're doing currently.
But that's that's just an opinion offand I guess any fans who are
excited, I'm very glad that you'rethat you are excited and looking forward to
new Star Wars games because you deserveit. After that whole Battlefront, you
deserve it was the Jedi phone order, you're saying, or was the Battlefront?

(16:55):
Well yeah, Battlefront right? Battlefrontwas increases your costs and all that.
Yeah, Oh my gosh, yes, that was the most incomplete expensive
video game that you could buy.And just to get two maps you would
have to do fifteen dollars. Imean, I'm talking when it first came
out. I'm sure things have evolved. I haven't really been staying up on
the video game world, but Idid spend two hours playing that Fall in

(17:18):
order. And people will argue withme because, of course the mechanics aren't
the exact same and it's not theexact same carbon copy, but this game
has already been done by the StarWars genre of that arguably did it better
in my opinion, given the timesthat they had in the mechanics that they
had to work with. I thinkthey did a better job at their time
with when it came to Lucas ArtSenior. So I think that they already

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made that video game and they werejust kind of cashing out on the exact
same thing that's been going on foryears. Wasn't really anything innovative to me.
I did really enjoy the character fromI Forgive Me. I can't remember
his name. He was on Shamelessand he also played the Joker on Gotham,
the red Haired Gentleman. He wasvery It was very nice to see
him be involved in that universe,and I actually enjoyed the art book that

(18:02):
they created for it. Oh Alcustus. I know that, but yeah,
the art book was ironically made bydark Horse. Isn't that strange? You
know, that's pretty cool. Ilike that. Yeah, it was very
strange. If you look on theirtheir listing of novels published or graphic novels,
comics and whatever fallen orders there aftera couple of year hiatus, and

(18:25):
it's just it was very interesting tosee that trying to bring out some positives
with what they're doing with the videogames instead of just going on a montage.
How disappointing that it's been because that'sa separate podcast all in itself.
We don't do like that anyways,exactly, keeping it like, keeping it
lightly said, yeah, exactly.Well, I thought I saw something the

(18:45):
news again about dark Horse. Maybeit was to do with that, about
how they were doing something, andI was like, oh cool, you
know, but I it was onlyjust like in a feed and I didn't
click on it, so it wasprobably that. Hopefully it's better news than
what happened Scott Alley a couple ofyears ago. I don't know that.
What was that. That's old news. We'll discuss it later. Okay,

(19:11):
he doesn't merit anymore of Legend's Library'stime. I already mentioned the same that
was already giving him too much credit. Let's just leave. Okay, you'll
have to explain to me later becauseI'm totally on the outs of this one.
So I will and maybe our listenerswill look it up and also understand
why we're just going to move alongalong. Well, I think that's you

(19:32):
know what we kind of want tocover for the nudes for the time being.
Um, after I ranted a littlebit and you ranted a little bit.
So oh and also, um,we are in the final editing run
for Supernatural Encounters with Joe Majorna.Oh yeah, please something to look forward
to. Yeah, please elaborate onthis. It will be released early twenty

(19:52):
twenty two. I would be veryexcited. The book will be fully available
on Joe's website. Please expect updates if you follow him on Star Wars
Timeline dot net. Also, MattWilkins over at the Expanded Universe dot com
is covering a lot of news onSupernatural Encounters as well as as we get

(20:14):
it. So keep your scopes onon that novel because it's going to be
coming very shortly and it's going tobe mind blowing and how long is it?
So far? I am at libertyto say that the book surpasses a
thousand pages. I'm sorry, that'sa lot. Yes, it's a lot

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to look forward to. I'm veryexcited. Yes every everyone should be,
but yes it's There has been recentnews on that matter as well to discuss
before we move along, and Idon't want to harp on it too much
because I think that people are simplywaiting for people like Joe and my fellow

(21:06):
editing partners who are working on thisproject. I feel that people are waiting
for us to say negative things inpushback, but that's not our way,
so there will not be nothing negativesaid. However, there was a discrepancy
on social media with one of themembers of their or their Star Wars story

(21:29):
group, and it has been handledand resolved online with full transparency from mister
bonjour now. So if anybody isfeeling a certain way about any of that,
I hope that you can see whereJoe is coming from, and please
feel free to reach out to himor myself at darn Tarn on Twitter if

(21:52):
you're curious about anything that you've beenseeing in social media as of late,
and I'll leave it at that.But please, I haven't, I don't.
I'm terrible with social media. Ithink everyone knows that it forced Joe
to be more transparent than any otherauthor that I have ever known. Oh

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okay, and the facts are outthere on the Internet. The proof is
there. And if people and Iguess, I will just say if if
Wikipedia wants to be difficult, thenthat is their right, that is their
association, but they are not thelaw of Star Wars. I will put
that out there as well, andI will leave it at that because I
don't want to garnish any other negativeattention directed at the subject. But it

(22:38):
is a shame if people can't seethe greatness of the project that is Supernatural
Encounters, because it is made forthe fans. Well, is being worked
on every day by a very dedicatedgroup of people for free, to enable
them to have the story that theyneeded, that they deserved that obviously,

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the current administration is not interested intelling nor ever giving them. So hopefully
they can see past everything and theycan appreciate the project for what it is.
It's for you, It's for thefans exactly. Well. I mean,
I have nothing but excitement for thisproject for a multitude of reasons.
And then if anyone wants to knowjust kind of a little bit more about

(23:22):
what Kyle is talking about the hedid have. We have an article on
our website Legends Library podcast dot com. Please go read it and read any
the other articles that I put outthere, because I don't write a lot
on there, but when we do, it's pretty awesome. Thank you,
and you've made the website look soamazing that you really thank you. It

(23:42):
took me, like PAVs, veryslow with this kind of stuff because I'm
not very well, as Kyle knows, I'm not very technologically capable in certain
things. Other stuff amazing. Ican do a lot of stuff, but
yeah, my my dark side comesout very quickly when it comes to like,
oh no, no, that's notwe need you need to do this,

(24:03):
and there's eight thousand steps and I'mlike no. Hence the reason everyone
that yes, the video podcast willbe coming exactly various formats, but for
now we are sticking to simply theaudio formats. But we are ready when
when Miss Lisa is ready to pushthrough all of those thousands of steps,
we will get there. Okay,just to give everyone context. We spend

(24:26):
a day. It was a wholeday from like ten am to three pm
trying to set up everything on mycomputer. And it was so many steps
that like, and Kyle has thepatience of just like our two D two,
Like it was just they worked perfectly, but like I could not handle
it. I was very like Kilain some moments of like I just want

(24:47):
to destroy this elevator, like,so you know, and I always like
respect the fact that you know,I'm sure your patience comes a lot from
your job that you do, soso I thank you again for working through
that with me. But by theend, I was like I can't handle
this. And we didn't even endup recording after all, And it's okay,

(25:11):
and you're so welcome, thank you. Yeah, we just haven't even
finished it. That's the worst part, guys. We'll get there. So
we're going to take a little shortbreak before we get into our audio or
podcast, which is going to beall about x Wing row Squadrons. So

(25:32):
coming right up and we're back.So today we're talking about x Wing Rogue
Squadron, which came out on Januaryone, nineteen ninety six. Written by
Michael a stackpoole. It starts sixpoint five, aby, so we get,
you know, a bit of postEmpire kind of stuff into the story.

(25:53):
And this is the perst time I'veread this series, so it's been
pretty interesting for me start so far. Um, it's different, and it's
significantly different because it's all about thepilots and has nothing to do with Jedi,
which is pretty neat. Oh yes, what are your initial first thoughts
leading into this book? My initialthoughts going into the book was, it's

(26:18):
been many years since I've read theseries, and I remember very much loving
it, Yeah, and being farmore excited to see everything that was tied
to it within the New Jedi outOrder than the actual experience of reading these
books because they had never worked quitemy favorite. I know that they're they're
milestones within the within the community,but I do they do have a special
place in my heart. Yeah,okay, that's good. Yeah. And

(26:41):
basically this this book is like thestart of or the reformation of Roe Squadron.
And obviously we all know Roe Squadronfrom um, the original movies,
oh yes, and the significance ofthat, and obviously you know Rogue one
and blah, blah blah blah.But basically this book is like the equivalent

(27:02):
of Top Gun, which I stillhaven't watched yet. I was going to
watch the trailer before we recorded,so I at least kind of like understood
what they're about, but like Ididn't do that. But I know that's
about Tom Cruise and all about wearing, all about sunglasses and planes, right,
and like this is pretty much whatthis book is about too. Sure,

(27:26):
that's you know what that's that's aperfect way to summarize Coplin. And
don't forget the modern hat that youhave to wear. This just simply says
Top Gun. Fact. So startinginto this story, um, let's just
quickly, I'm going to run overthe dramatis person I m mostly because a
lot of these characters have like maybeone or two scenes or one line and

(27:51):
we never really hear from them againin the series. So on Rogue Squadron
itself, we get characters like CommanderWedge Antilles, who's known as Rogue one,
um, Captain Tycoo. Is itColchu or Chelchulch? I usually say
Calchu, but that sometimes I sayChelju. In my mind, I say
celch you or Calchu. Yeah,okay, I go with the hard Sea,

(28:14):
just like Caliburn from Lord of theRings, because like it's it's based
off of like old Latin Germanic umwhere that C would be like a k
sound but he's from Alderon. Lieutenantcorn Horne who we all know later on
in the series, who is aJedi from Karelia, so he is number
nine. Oral crieg Agand from gandNoir. Then a Twilight from rylof Rights

(28:41):
out is it you ner you nery n r. I don't know human
female from Bastin broor Jays who's ahuman male from Thaifera Irisi de Lar from
Thaifera Pashristic a bathm from Batawi,Gavin Darth Lighter we all know who he
is, and Tattoo Rabil Shistavanian maleLuge who is a human from Castle and

(29:07):
Andre who who's a Roodium and he'snumber twelve. We get some like side
characters, so we get like aVerpine who is like all of three lines
and doesn't really matter. M threePo who's basically the story C three Po
Whistler Korn's R two and Minog whosewedges are two. We get other characters
like Adamiral Akbar and some other generalsyou know, the typical kind of you

(29:32):
know, rebel leaders at this pointyeah Borsk, yes, yes, Borsk
silly Borsk Yeah. And then weget some surprise characters, but I'm not
going to spoil that yet because they'resignificant later. And then the Dark Side
without Dark Side, so the ImperialForces, we get zan Is is it

(29:56):
Isaan or eas bizarre again? Ma mind, I always say he's on
okay? Is that Anisard, directorof the Imperial Intelligence, who's from Chorus
on this well, Kirton Lore whois an intelligent agent from Cherba, General
Ivir Derrik Coat who's a human malefrom Kala. And then a couple I
added some characters because this book didn'twrite them down, um Adro Davilia,

(30:18):
which is like a very on thenose dark side kind of name. Human
Captain la Iliore who captain's the BlackWasp, and Captain Rohan who captains six
Expeditious. So basically the story startsand actually um it opens up like the
first chapter is all about a simulatorgame that a bunch of rebel you know,

(30:40):
pilots are playing and what they're doing. So it's like corn Horn,
Whistler, Earl Cree, Rosati,Noir Ven, Poor Jason, and it's
it's based on the PC game Thex wing Um and they're basically doing the
Redemption run scenario. So it's theBattle of Briggia when it's like the Imperials
versus Rebels and things like that.So they're all, you know, having

(31:03):
a great time until somebody like showsup and starts kicking everyone's button in the
tie, and of course that endsup being Wedge and Chillies and everyone's just
like fanboying at this moment because Wedgeis like top you know, he's the
top gun at this in this story. Is that a thing? I don't
know it whenever having watched that movieagain, apologies, and like, you

(31:30):
know, it's kind of like thiskind of very much. A lot of
this book is about flying, talking, drinking at the bar, and then
briefings to like what their mission isgoing to be. Themes that are generally
found throughout Star Wars as well,just usually with more themes on top.
Yeah, like there's other like sideplots, but there really isn't in this.

(31:52):
It's just like what the rebel pilot'sroke Squadron is doing versus That's pretty
much it, and I do enjoythis aspect to it. It really is
just military, and I think thatspawned its own obviously, it did spawned
its own realm of fans as well, people who really really enjoyed the X

(32:12):
Wing series. Also, the BlackFleet Crisis was very much written in this
kind of a vein. Okay,yeah, and they're they're based on a
world. So they're on Fullar Base, which is a moon of Commonore,
and everyone knows Commonore. It's likean old mine kind of system that had
once been hit by like meteorites duringlike the Sith Empire, so it's kind

(32:32):
of like where they've settled their baseand like even though at this point so
it's still rebels versus Empire like.And that's one thing that they talk about
in this book is like they thinkthat star or the war ended or the
Imperials ended when Poppatine Invader died,but yet it didn't. You know,

(32:52):
it continued for many years, whichis why we get the story. So
Wedge, he meets up, theyhave a meeting with this General Horton Psalm,
the human from Norwall too, andhe's kind of like this grumpy like
how would you describe him? Like, oh, like he's someone who like

(33:15):
causes kind of like no, youcan't do this, Like he's like the
officer who always disagrees with what youcan do. Apologies, I had to
turn away from the microphone for amoment. Oh, I'm sorry, I
tried muting. I'm sorry. Well, what a moment for me to ask
you a question? Then, ofcourse, can you repeat the question please.

(33:37):
I was just talking about General Horton'spsalm and if you remember that guy,
like he's like he just he's kindof like the grumpy character of all
the generals, like doesn't agree withanything that they do, you know,
like I'm too old for this kindof shit kind of mentality. You know.
That's deenerally what I caught from him. Just a grumpy old man.

(33:59):
Yeah, but like another part,another aspect of this story which will come
out soon, you know, Andyou have to be always suspicious of all
these people. So they're talking,yeah, exactly. So they're talking about
the reformation of Roe Squadron, andthey're kind of deciding the characters, so
like Gavin dark Lighter and you know, and they're they're like for sure,
like his appearances of what he justdid in that little you know simulator,

(34:22):
he was pretty good, but obviouslythe best one was corn Horne for obvious
reasons. And and here's where wewere introduced to Wedge's executive officer who he
wants to be the exo officer,which is Tykuklchu. And this part of
the story I just couldn't really followalong with, like the blame and the

(34:45):
hate that they put on Tycho.I wasn't a fan as well. I
know we're not there yet, butthe situations that they would put him through
simply seemed so extreme for even therebels to, you know, regardless of
whether or not they were part ofthe Empire or not. It didn't really
strike me as very exactly, youknow, it didn't really strike me like

(35:10):
New Republic values. But that's whatwe got. Yeah, So if you
want to explain basically why there's thissuspicion upon this pilot, Keelchi was formerly
an Imperial pilot and to put along story short in a nutshell, discovered
that all Duran was destroyed by theEmpire and that was his family, and

(35:37):
he did decide to leave the Empireand join the rebel cause for very good
reasons, and was constantly looked uponas a turncoat slash spy. They were
very fearful that he was a spyand that he was he was there for
all the wrong reasons, And itdid felt rather shoehorned in the way that

(36:00):
they brought him in, and itseemed like a definitely an over exaggeration of
things, because I'm struggling to rememberthe exact story and how he proved that
he could be, you know,a very beneficial member of the Alliance.
But he already did it well.He was already one of the og Rogue
Squadron members, Like there really wasn'tmuch a question about him. But then

(36:24):
what happened was like he went todo another mission and he got caught and
then on cores on, but escapedin recent exactly. That's why we don't
trust you. It's like, yeah, but he did what every amazing officer
did, is he escaped exactly.And so I kind of felt that the
time that we spent in the storyinvestigating him and being wary, like I

(36:47):
understand that you had to have somebodyelse to suspect to keep the mystery afloat,
but I think that it was alittle bit overdone. Yeah, and
immediately like General Psalm it like rejectsthe idea of having him, oh yes,
executive officer, and he's like,there's just there's too much, like
too many things and wedges like,well, Tycho's agreed to like this absurd

(37:07):
list of stuff that like you know, will he won't like he'll eat where
you say, he'll eat what youlike Wantum, he won't have any lasers
on any of his ships, likeany like just all these extremes like constantly
monitored, and agrees to all that, and they're like, okay, but
that's still not good enough. Andit's like they did all these extremities to

(37:30):
one guy, but like not tothe other people, right, and not
to get ahead of you either.But when they put him out in active
fire without any weaponry, he hasno guns, it's insanity. Yeah,
they're fighting against ties and he's like, can't help you. And because like
they're more concerned about him shooting himand and they're they're still looking at him
funny after that point. So again, maybe that's why it was overdone a

(37:55):
little bit. Yeah, So yeah, this clearly and bother us at all
at all. Uh yeah, andlike yeah, they're also going to check
his emails and all that, youknow, like they're really gonna be like
like check mark all is done.And Akbar is like, yeah, no,

(38:15):
he's a great guy. And soi'm's like, yeah, maybe this
will said is fine my suspicions,but I doubt it. Um. But
when it, you know there therethere's something out with these guys. But
let's turn now to the imperials.So we go to the Expeditious Ship Imperial

(38:37):
ship which is a krot class likecruiser um, and within the bellies of
it, in the detention cells,we meet our kind of um. You
know, because of my motorcycle thing, I watched the office recently healing and
it came to me yesterday that KirtonLore, the Imperial Intelligence agent, kind

(39:00):
of reminds me a little bit ofDwight Truth. Yes, then you represent
now I can't I can't look atthe character any differently. Thanks for that.
That made this a lot better.Actually, I wish you would have
said this last year when we startedreading this almost last year. Anyway,

(39:22):
it's like a motorcycle crashed for meto come to this epiphany, So fare
well, at least there was positiveout of the whole thing. Yeah,
exactly, Yeah, one thing,Oh my goodness. Yeah. I always

(39:42):
like to look for the small positiveout of the many negatives. So Kirton
lore in the detention cells, likeat holding cell number three, is he
starts to interrogate a wanted former colleague. Now this is kind of where the
story gets a little interesting. Sowe learned that he worked alongside the Krelian
security, like he was still theImperial but he worked with them. And

(40:07):
are they basically they're basically police orhow would you kind of like FBI,
how would you call them? Yeah, I would say that at the term
FBI would be analogous to it.Yeah, okay, So he worked alongside
him Gil Bastra, who's the manis currently being held in the terrogation sale
and cor and Horn and Kirton reallydeveloped this whole like Dwight shoot kind of

(40:32):
hatred towards these men, and theywould always like undercut him and disrespect him
and like just humiliate him in theoffice like day to date. And it
got so bad that they all decidedthat they were going to like fake their
deaths and get the hell out ofthere. So like that's how much they

(40:53):
did not like this guy basically.So yeah, that was my moment of
like, oh that's where he is. But so there, you know,
Kirton's happy he's got this guy.He's finally caught him after two years,
finally caught him, and but hedoesn't know that like Gilbasha took like this

(41:14):
time, like taking a bunch ofthis lature meine, which like a drug
that basically will counteract and make youhave an allergic reaction of when you get
put into back to Yeah, whichwas a great reversal of the cyanide kind
of tactic hunt. Yeah exactly.So they like torture him to a point,

(41:34):
but then when they put him inback to he dies. It was
very cool. Yeah. So butlike he has this whole line of like
you know, I'm going to breakyou and you know the last thing is
going to be me and then likeGilbashor's like when I'm dead, I'll be
laughing all eternity. He went outlike a g I must say. Yeah,

(42:00):
definitely, like what a way tobe like ha ha, you thought
you're healing me, but you're killingme. Yeah, that's jokes there was
an interesting just the line in herethough that Kirton Lore says when he goes
Vader was the last Jedi, rightthat that was a very interesting remark that

(42:20):
I met because we've we've talked aboutthis before as far as what is public
knowledge when it comes to Anakin,and it's it's always somewhat a gray area
depending on the point of view exactly. Yeah, like because he's in Imperial
you know, and kind of likein a division where they look up information,
you know, is it because ofthat or was it again, like

(42:42):
is it public knowledge at this pointnow that like we you know, in
the in the New Canada, obviouslywe see that that does happen to Leah
where it wasn't known and then itwas brought into public light like decades later.
People were shocked that she never disclosedit. She knew and like so
like obviously to like keep her ownreputation, she wasn't going to admit to

(43:06):
that. But yeah, like howmuch was known? It seems like it's
known, Yeah, and the EUit was. I still believed that most
people understood that Vader was their father, even if they don't understand. Even
if they don't understand that Vader wasAnakin per se. Well, but then
there's also the fact that just beingthe only Jedi, they all the public

(43:27):
knew was the Jedi for many centuriesand the Sith were gone, and so
they didn't know about the Sith becausethe Jedi didn't let people know about the
Sith because they didn't want more Sithto be around. So why I'll let
that knowledge be right? And it'swith the Imperial propaganda machine. It's very
difficult to understand exactly, but theGalactic Populace believed exactly. So it's just

(43:52):
an interesting line for it is withmany interpretations of what that could be.
Yeah. Yeah, So back atFuller Boy Base. Sorry, so Corn,
he's working on his Corsack X wingso he's it's kind of weird like
he's part of about to be he'spart of the rebels, but he doesn't

(44:13):
fly or use their equipment. Hehas his own ship and that's where Wi
Whissler came with him as well,and he immediately gets chastised by lu Jane
Forge, who's the human female fromCastle, saying that you know, like,
did you target me during the practicescenario we were going through because it
seems like, you know, youdeliberately attacked me, and he's like what,

(44:35):
Like, I don't, I don'tknow what you're talking about. And
her whole thing is like, well, because your corsack and what you guys
do is you always throw you know, anyone from Castle to you as a
prisoner, because that's what Castle isknown for is basically being like the Australia
of Star Wars, right, youknow, you put all your prisoner in
college. No offense to any Australianlisteners, whatever they know what they are.

(45:02):
I'm going to stay out of this. This is between you and them
now, Serda history book whis notlike it's not. Her point is like
my parents were put into jail,so are you treating me like I'm a
prisoner because I come from a prisoncolony. And he was just like,
man, you're so out of line. I'm just super antisocial and spent the

(45:22):
last few years like not talking toanyone. So you know, you also
find that that scene in particular waskind of just shoehorned a little bit.
Yeah yeah, yeah, that Imean. And again, I'm glad that
the dialogue was able to keep meengaged, but I was definitely a little
bit blindsided by that. Yeah,well I just thought it was a really

(45:44):
weird thing for somebody to randomly walkup and accuse him of that when he
was just like, I'm just workingon my ship right now, right,
someone pass me that wrench, likeyou know, so, but yeah,
like she's not kidding, then fine. He's like no, like it's that's
not what it is. Like,I'm just doing my job and being an

(46:06):
ACE pilot basically, And she's like, Okay, I accept that apology,
but you still need to come tolike our down downtime, which is the
local bar where they spend a lotof time in this place. So you're
kind of like, all right,I agree, and then they meet so
you meet Oral mostly at this partof the story, and there's this whole
long conversation about with cans if youwant to talk about like the namings.

(46:30):
Oh I loved it. I knowthat it's confusing, but that was Actually
that's the alien lore of Star Wars, those aspects to the EU that I
really enjoy, and the whole socialposition and who you're speaking to as far
as your sure name and what nameyou use, that's that's a verily foreign

(46:51):
concept to us. Westerners, butit's it's an ancient concept in the other
parts of the world, and Ithought that it was really cool to see
that displayed in the our Wars universeas well. And the Gand we're really
mysterious, and these are things thatare built upon on their lore in particular
over the year, over the years, not only in the Dark Horse comics

(47:13):
and the Bounty Hunter novels and allthat kind of fun stuff. But if
there's a funny section out of CouterOne, I believe it may have been
too forgiven me. My mind isa little foggy. But the Gand operate
in much the same way, andyou know, are we learn in that
way that our friend here in RogueSquadron is kind of out of the norm,
if you would, for being alittle bit more social due to his

(47:36):
occupation than most of his fellow compatriotsseemed to be. But they're a very
quiet group. They talk as acollective, they're very secretive, and it's
a very it's a I think thatthis helped. Obviously it did help because
it has kind of established their loredevelop a really unique specie for us to

(47:57):
enjoy in the Star Wars universe.Yeah, and I really felt for him
when the scene arrives later on whenwe talk about it, I've really felt
for him. M yes. Ialso for some reason I told you this
last time, was I forgot thathe was a gand and I got him

(48:17):
with a different species. And forlike the first time reading the book,
I pictured him as the Holy differentspecies until you mentioned something and I was
like, wait what, And thenI was like, oh no, it
was like the ones with the threeeyes the Grand. I thought he was
a friend, so a little different. Yeah, it was like super different.

(48:38):
So that must have been from ourlast book that we covered, Dark
Dark Rendezvous. Yeah, Axlem wasa grand and we spent a lot of
time with that specie. I don'tknow why I did it, but yeah,
eventually, yeah, but it wasonly until you told me, and
I was like, oh no,totally changes everything that I pictured with that

(49:02):
character. So yeah. Then theygo to downtime the pub and they basically
talked about like the flight scores andwho be who, and Wedge introduces himself
with a little bit more thoroughly.We do get a little bit of like
Koran's back history for a moment,so like his dad Halhorn, who Yeah,

(49:25):
so who investigated who killed Wedge's parents? So like Corn and Wedge have
obviously a little bit of a youknow, a personal relationship more than others.
Agreed. Yeah, And I enjoyedHal's involvement here as well. Um,

(49:47):
and his story and what's going onwith him is further explored in other
short stories throughout the EU as well. Yeah, so that's there's more contact
to it for fans who enjoyed thosereferences and whatnot to the Koran family or
to the Horn family. Yeah,I definitely want to know more about their

(50:07):
family, like does he have anykind of inclination or is that obvious or
is this something that only came aboutwith co Can you rephrase the question?
Well, I mean like because eventuallywith Korn he develops forced powers and becomes

(50:27):
a Jedi. Oh oh that wasnot the way for his father. But
interesting. Yeah, but and thereis there is Um, there's more connections
that were discovered with the Housians aswell with the Horns. We can get
that's like a separate episode altogether.We'll get there with the family tree and
yeah, and mister Kuran here.Yeah, so we have a little funny

(50:52):
moment now when we learn more aboutKorn and what happened to him. Um
when M Tree the C three pojoid or whatever M three po Um basically
says like, oh, by theway, you have like a death what
is it? Like a death markon you? Death mark? Yeah?

(51:15):
I believe that's what she said.Yeah he said yeah? Or Sam sorry
yeah? Um? And he andlike Coren's immediate reaction is like he's laughing,
and like all found him are likewhy are you laughing that you have
a death mark on you? Andhe's like yeah, and he's like yeah,
you've got like you're wanted for sixmurders, but acts pretty nonchalant about

(51:38):
it. Yeah, Like i'd belike, whoa hold on, Like it's
not what you think. I didn'tkill six people, But instead he laughs,
being like yeah right. And wasn'tit odd that the same kind and
even though it was disproven and whatnot, wasn't it odd that the same that
now marks of murder were looked uponand kind of just easily shoved off more

(52:01):
so than anything when it's concerned withwith h Yeah, isn't that strange?
Like yeah, like, well that'swhat I mean. Corn has a death
mark for and wanted for six murders, but like no one's watching him and
they're watching at all, Like that'swhat I mean, Like it's the double

(52:22):
standard. Where is it? Whereare you drawing your line? Like I
don't understand um anyways, but likeso he laughs and then explains that no,
he didn't actually kill six people.He was one of the six people
that you know he's killed, butit's all of them as um, all
the people who left the office toget away from Kirton Lore basically, so

(52:43):
he gives a little bit more oflike a back kind of like this guy's
this guy who's got like this hardon for tarkan Um and you know,
and even Kirton talks guy like I'msorry, oh yeah, but like but
gilbast like publicly accused like cord ofthe murders and things like that. So

(53:04):
anyway, so um, but likeit's like not really big shock to Korn,
but it's kind of a shocking forother ones. And then like and
things like that. But oh wedo. We do learn that Koran's grandfather
was also in Corseck, and Vadereven Um used Corseck like resources, so
he met Koran's grandfather to hunt theJedi. It's all very symbolic. Huh

(53:30):
yeah, so big circle. Yeahagain, we'll have to do an episode
just on the family trees. Oh, that'd be a really good one to
go into. Yeah, I thinkthat Korn's would be substantial alone. Yeah,
yeah, definitely. I conquer soWedge Now, So back to Wedge.

(53:52):
So, like he's talking to mTree and there's like this funny moment
where he's like, I wish Ihad a sister that I could like dump
this droid off of like obviously whatLuke does. We I though that was
kind of funny. And they're justmostly talking about like the fight exercises and
things like that. So like again, like it's a lot of just like

(54:13):
talking throughout the story, you learnsome stuff, but like you don't really
know what else is going on inthe galaxy, Like we don't know what
Luke's doing really at this point,or Leia or any of that, because
like we don't really talk about it, like they just they briefly mentioned Leia
or like, you know, it'llbe wedged thinking about Luke for like a
momentum. But it was kind ofrefreshing right that we it was it was

(54:35):
developing the lower in a completely differentway and at a time that there really
wasn't all this information. So it'skind of painful. That's a bad word
to use. It's kind of um. It can be off putting for a
little bit if you're not into technicalspecs of things. But it's one of
those, hindsight a paramount novels inregard to developing what we conceive of when

(55:00):
we think of star wars and shipsin battle. It was important for its
time, however difficult it is toget through for fans who are not exactly
interested in every single aspect of Yeah, exactly not everyone sits around and writes

(55:22):
jot notes about a whole book likeI do, so, but you know
there are there is that that sectionof fans that are dedicated heavily to blueprints,
ship all that, and this isright up there alley. So that's
why, like, I'm happy totalk about this series because like, I
don't think a lot of people talkabout it. Yeah, everyone seems to
have love for it, but wedon't actually get into the meat of it

(55:45):
anywhere. It seems I've been looking. I've been looking in Yeah, lots
of dead threads. But so that'swhy. I'm glad that we're coming back
to it as well, and alsoI'm so sorry that this is kind of
I'm shoehorning a little factoid any wayas well. I just wanted to kind
of bring the light that Joe Bunjorogave him, gave the author the timeline

(56:07):
because he created it before he wrotethis book. So I just wanted to
shoehorn mister Bonjordo's efforts into this wholenovel as well, at before we get
back into the story. I likethat fun fact that's good. Yeah,
Yeah, it's a little out thereright now, because you know, we're
trying to get to get to thestory here itself, but yeah, I

(56:27):
figured I would throw that out therea little bit. Yeah, So moving
on with the story, moving on, So they do another kind of like
exercise, and after they were sayinglike, okay, you guys are the
official members of our squadron. Let'sdo an exercise. And Corn goes first
and like does this like kick buttkind of move. Then everyone's like,
yo, that's what we need todo, and then copied him. But

(56:52):
then Wedge also said, yeah,actually that's what you should do to like
get through this maneuver, and theneveryone and officially beat Koran's score and he
came last, even though he wasthe one who went first and like solved
the problem, and he was likesuper embarrassed and you kind of feel bad
for him, where he's just like, oh, I don't deserve to be

(57:14):
in the squadron because obviously I'm notthat good if everyone else so easily beat
me. Yeah, I remember thatthat situation. Yeah, but then you
know, the squadron comes to him. Well, actually it was it received
Delaret who comes to him, andit just says, like, you know,
like it's it's not really what youthink. It's like Wedge said,

(57:36):
yeah, that's the best maneuver.So we all did it, so thank
you, thank you for making usgreat basically, and then she starts flirting
and hitting on him kind of yeyeah, I'm not too crazy about this
character. It's mostly when you interactwith her, it's just her like heavily

(57:57):
hitting on him, and that's it, really, top gun. Just chalk
it up the top gun. Ohokay, is that what happens? Great?
Sure, But like she herself isan interesting character and that's probably like
I feel like they devalued her sofar in this story. So she's basically

(58:20):
known as like the back to queenaka like her family owns it the industry,
so she's like mad money, right, Yeah, and they're like she's
the best one to have on ourside because she can get us all the
back to we need. Yeah,and I enjoyed that aspect of it.
To the decisions that we're um utilizedto pull the squadron together. We're actually

(58:45):
political, not necessarily skill. I'msure that they had to be like the
best of their region, but doyou remember that angle to things that they
like the taipe Erans, they pulled, They pulled people from particular groups of
of famous rebel allies, Okay,to create a so like dark Lighter because

(59:07):
of the legend named only really right, and that to strike the fear in
the hearts of the enemy. Sothe sociological and fear Okay, No,
that makes me look like it makessense because like when you look at her
as a character, you would thinkof be odd that a female who is
like an heiress essentially would be apilot, where like your success rate is

(59:29):
like very low and like you're mostlikely going to to perish doing this as
a job because you do maybe fouror five successful runs and on your tenth
you're dead. Yeah, and it'sit's all it's like testaments to each of
their characters, you know, becausewith for her, she's putting that aside
to fight for the cause, andthen Kuran is actually turning that down knowing

(59:53):
that that's solid money right there.It's you know, which is that's a
character trait too. So it's it'san interesting, if not kind of cheesy
way of well. I mean,yeah, he's also like a reason for
not pairing up with her and coupling. It's he didn't want to have to
like be distracted and have his hismind elsewhere while they're in a battle,

(01:00:16):
because obviously you're going to be moreupset if somebody kills that person that you're
having a passionate affair with, LikeI would be upset too, So that
makes sense. Yeah, But Imean they could have just had her a
little bit more. I don't know, a little bit more, That's what

(01:00:36):
I'm trying to say, I think, Yeah, fair statement. Yeah.
So back at Imperial Center, soKirsten lures being shuttled in a shuttle Abjurium
and he's like super rude to thepilot. He's like cursing and swearing at
him for like no reason of himbeing like, oh, you made a
very you know, inaccurate left turnor whatever, you know, you listed

(01:00:59):
gently to the left, being DwightTrout. Yeah, being Dwight Trout that
he is. Oh my god,it really is now that I see it.
At least I've got a voice nowfor the character in my mind.
So they're heading to coordinates, soTower seventy eight, level four, fourth

(01:01:20):
three, day two, and thepilot's like, yo, the only time
I've ever gone there was to bringVader so Curton like, you know,
a little bit of a like wedgiein his pants situation, Like I don't
know what's going to happen to me, but that seems super serial. Yeah,
and the pilots just kind of like, yeah, that's what you get

(01:01:40):
talking to me like that kind ofbad chicken the you know, the ship
a little but that's what I wouldhave done. Yeah, some turbulence here.
Yeah, but this is where bypage one hundred ten, we've only
made it a third of the quarterof the way through the story. Guys,

(01:02:04):
I apologize. We meet our villainesszen Izard Isa Easard, the imperial
intelligence leader, and essentially she's kindof now in control of the empire sort
of ish, I would argue thatat this point, Yeah, she is

(01:02:24):
the strongest and a fact from thefrom the empire that that remains at this
point in time. Yeah, yeah, like her intelligence, her father.
Yeah, it's it's that little manydynasty if you would, within the imperial
families. Oh yeah, see thiscan go with our whole dynasty episode.

(01:02:45):
Oh that's what we're going to callit, dynasty a perfect absolutely perfect.
But but yeah, like she obviouslylike she's in charge, but no one
else is really there to really belike a counterintuitive leader. But her interests,
like in the Empire, is notto be the ruler, like how

(01:03:08):
Palpatine was emperor, Like she justwants to restore the empire and then whoever
should be the actual leader would bethe one in control. Which was a
refreshing take when you look at dayAllah, you know, because people seem
to be confused with that and itsays that they are a completely separate character,
not fighting for the same goals atall. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

(01:03:32):
she doesn't seem like she has personalvendetta. She just does this as
a job for now, we'll getthere with their character. Yeah, well
I'm sure. Yeah, everyone developsan enemy at some point in this book.
Oh yeah. So and it's herjust mostly saying to him like,

(01:03:53):
oh but she betrayed her own father, didn't she. Yes, yeah,
that's interesting. Yeah again, morething, more stock for our Dynasty episode
because yeah, I just interesting yeah. Um. And like it's just basically
her telling like Kirton lore Of,like, um, you know, like

(01:04:15):
she's questioning him on like what happenedwith Gilbastra and you know, like why
did he die? And obviously it'syour foolish mistake that you did this?
And I had more expectations of you, Kirton Lore Um. And he's just
like, oh my goodness, youknow, kind of pooping his pants of,
like I'm a little nervous. Butshe's like, but I have bigger
plans for you, like I'm goingto make you be the one who hunts

(01:04:35):
down Rogue Squadron essentially hum. Andshe's like she's famous for her eyes,
right, one blue and then theother not being real? Yes, the
the David Bowie eyes and the roguefrom X Men and hair. Yeah,

(01:04:58):
and she definitely humiliated. It's curetonlore pretty good in this. So like
for all that stuff he's been doingto people, she like does it right
back at him and just like,no, you're not that smart. Like
if you had done things, youwould have seen that Gilbaster was going to
basically run away if you had actuallybeen paying attention and not sleeping with Angela
in the storage warehouse. There wego. That's not off. It's reference,

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thank you. And she does havean interesting line here as well.
So she goes the Emperor likewise assumedthat if he destroyed all the Jedi Knights,
that his Jedi knights. So Ithink this goes kind of goes back
to the line that everyone maybe justthinks they're all Jedi and a handful of
force trained special agents would be sufficientto control the galaxy. He did not

(01:05:48):
see, though, I warned himthe impossibility of proving that all the Jedi
had been destroyed and that no otherJedi could rise against him. Powerful statement,
Very powerful. Yeah, So yeah, she's I think she's going to

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be an interesting villain in this story. Um, you know, like her
goal is just to destroy the rebellionand restore the empire. So it's like
it's a refreshing take um the earlystages of what Palpatine would have wanted.
And then she also, yeah,exactly, there weren't there weren't female characters
in the older you and it's like, get over it. Are you serious?

(01:06:33):
Well again, how could you putdown women in Star Wars when you
got us an admir like Dahlia uLeiah. Well, you know, just
tune into our Women's of Star Warsor Women's of Legends episode where we had
our guest host Jay Krebs, andyou can hear us talk about all the

(01:06:54):
amazing women characters in very fun episode. That was a great episode. I
had so much fun. He's Annaas well. So she reveals to Kirschen
Laura at this point that she hasa source within rogue squadrons. So there
is a spy. So now wekind of go, okay, okay,
so that's why Tycho is really gettinga lot of heat on him. But

(01:07:16):
then why would there be heat onhim if somebody who doesn't put the heat
on him knows that there's a spyin the squadron, Right, that's you
know, like there's a lot ofreasons, like we can be suspicious of
people. So like at this point, you know, I was suspicious of
the Droids, so m M threepo the Verpine because they only had one

(01:07:36):
line and Psalm General psalm because hejust doesn't seem trustworthy. But obviously it's
not the main guys, Like weknow it's not a corn horn, or
if it is, you know,he always has a redemption moment, but
obviously it's not a corn horn,right, not Wedge because Wedge is Wedge,

(01:08:00):
right, you would hope not.Well, I mean it seems like
a giveaway even for the times thatthe book came out, that it was
not going to be Wedged right.So yeah, like if you I think
if you were to make the SpyWedge fandom would have just like burned down
the publishing house. Yeah, Ithink so too, just not having it.

(01:08:23):
So back on Fuller. So they'reout for another flight and Korn's kind
of like lost and thoughts while he'sfine, you know, and they're speculating
like where they're going to be jumpingbecause like we don't they're not always told
ahead of time, like where they'regoing to be going on their missions and
things like that, but they're theybasically have been pushed up at this point
saying, you know, like andit was it was Borsvela who had persuaded

(01:08:45):
them, you know, or orat least persuaded mom Mathma because he has
her ear to help get the deploymentof the rope squadron going, and much
too, like Wedge and Acbar,is kind of like they're not ready.
It's only been like three months theyor not even and it's been like one
month of training and they need atleast three right, And here you can
see the early manipulations of the bothins, and I enjoy the fact that everybody

(01:09:12):
seems to be poking at the Bothonsduring this book as well, because we're,
you know, we're we're told tolook at them in one way given
the cinematic universe. But then herewe see the meat of what was going
on. And it is interesting thatBorisk and Craife were both in that same
room that they met with everybody,so knowing how everything plays out in the

(01:09:35):
future of the Verse, I thinkit was really cool to look at this
as the start more or less forBorisk and all of his crazy machinations that
really did do a lot of damageto the New Republic. From the get
go. So it's an interesting wayto look at it now that we know
the end and the beginning, youknow, yeah, exactly, and we

(01:09:58):
we are you know, we do. You get some reveal that they're going
to till a Sea, which isthe fourth planet in the Morobe System,
a farming colony that had once atone point been destroyed by Vader because they
helped the rebels. So it's youknow, you're so right with like what
you're saying. Though, it's likeseeing Bors coming in and you know,

(01:10:21):
starting his like persuasiveness and like havingthe ear of mom Mathma, Like why
is it that they had her attentionso much? Like it's very interesting for
that, and then you know,like what we see with him later on
obviously like in New Jedi Order,it's almost like a Rasputin effect, you
know, almost oh good character analysts. Yeah, I like that, thank

(01:10:45):
you, thank you, thank you. He always gave me those vibes.
And then that that thought came tome when we were reading this book.
It's just like, look at thisguy right from the break right from them,
you know, almost beginning, you'reso right, so um so they
so they're jumping in space now sowe got the squadron going out and they

(01:11:08):
suddenly accidentally, um surprised, likerun into the space where an imperial interdictor
the Black Asp is waiting, andthey're like, oh, whoops. You
know, all these ties are comingin. It like basically the first fight
that we get in the book,so a little bit finally some excitement into
the story. It was the carscenes. Um, yeah, it's a

(01:11:31):
pretty good scene and like, um, corn, like his starboard engine gets
hit by iron blasts and like hishis stick like jams into his breastbones.
So he's all like knocked out andhe goes into like a flat spin and
whistlers like freaking out and like likeit's it's it's pretty intense. Um,
and like hits his helmet and likebut like shuts off somehow. I think

(01:11:51):
he shut off the engines or ifyou remember, I believe that's how it
went. Yeah. So basically likehe has to manually land his ship.
Um. So that's pretty intense thiswhole scene. But then like he can

(01:12:11):
get his ship basically rebooted by Tychoright who was out there without any weapons.
I believe if that was the scene, wasn't it? Yeah? Yeah,
he's like I'll behind them as likeI've got all your backpacks, guys,
like while you're fighting, like I'vegot exactly and he's like, don't
worry, Korn, Like I'll justlike you know, turn it off and

(01:12:33):
on again and your ship will befine, and like the sensor digitally like
they I don't turn back on andKorn then at that point blows up like
two ties um with some missiles andor like and so he actually like he
got the most hits, but onlybecause Tycho saved him in that moment.

(01:12:56):
Right, Yeah, So it's anintense scene and so thankfully Tycho was there
even though no one dressed him.Right yeah. Um, let's talk about
when they're in the Ratric sector,so they're on the world. Is it
Cho X or core AX. Idon't know, it's like blow X that's

(01:13:16):
first. I like, let's saycore AX, but like it's it's up
to interpretation at this point. Yeah. So, like also didn't get through
that awful audio book that they madefor it, then you know we could
get the spelling that they used,but yeah, I did not. I
did start the audiobook, guys,Um it's there if you want to listen.
To it. It's abridged, soI did not enjoy it, and

(01:13:43):
I just didn't enjoy the production,I have to say. So I turned
it off and I never listened toit, which is unfortunate because I love
listening to the audiobooks. I thinkthey're phenomenal pieces of art that everyone should
definitely listen to the audiobooks or StarWars, you know, things like darth
Plagus. What a production if youhaven't listened to it. Oh my goodness,
listen to that. And I pushedit all the time, but doesn't

(01:14:04):
the production that is? Yeah,Daniel Davies, right, Daniel Davies,
Yes, plays who plays the butlerin The Nanny Guys, exactly. I
love that show. She's my birthday, did you know that? Yeah,

(01:14:25):
it's it's like the strangest people toshare my birthday. Fran Drasher, Mark
Boland, Buddy Rich. It's verystrange. But go on, Napoleon died
on my birthday. Oh but also, guys, my birthday is Revenge of
the Fifth, So hair flip there, thank you very much, Dark Lisa

(01:14:47):
so on the tour sector. Soeverything's fine. But like Corn, even
though he had like kind of rebootedhis ship, like he was still needed
to be carried in and he waspicked up by by the also our skate
And this is where things get interestingin the story for for Court, at
least because we find it it waspiloted by Miracs Terek, and we all

(01:15:10):
know who Miracs is. That iseventually spoilers his future wife who you know,
so we you know, I wasa little like, oh when we
got her in the story, Ididn't know we meeting her so soon.
Essentially, it's nice, right becausewe finished a great deal of the end
of the EU, so now you'reseeing her young for the first time,

(01:15:31):
you know, in this setting anyway, with with Karan when it all began,
because we were just at that sceneit seems what a year and a
half ago when they were both cryingtogether because of Dala and now we're now
we're to the front in the beginningexactly. Yeah, Like my last kind
of moment with her was when shewas wailing seeing her children mounted on the

(01:15:51):
wall in carbonite like that. ThatI don't think I'm ever going to forget
that, Like it's it definitely hauntedme as a still. One of the
most chilling scenes from that entire series. Yeah, and then she decks the
guy. I love that. Yes, she's gout Spice. I like her
character obviously, so if you cangive a little bit of a bad history

(01:16:16):
of who she is and why theywould not get along? Who would not
get along? Corn and her,the Terris and the Horns, Oh,
completely opposite. Again, this ispart of our Dynasty episode coming up,
because they're they're so intermingled in thefuture. But Booster Boosts, you know,

(01:16:39):
he's more or less like a smugglerslash criminal, however you want to
interpret his character. Daughter thereof standingright here in the same room next to
more or less like we called themthe FBI for analogoust term. But Corsac
is you know that that region ofa space police force, like you were
talking about earlier. Who and they'reall from the same obviously the same planets,

(01:17:03):
So you have a cops and robbersituation, you know, except for
now we have the and their fathersboth had already had plenty of entanglements,
and now we have their offspring rightup at the front. So it's kind
of a nice little romantic interest.You got conflict, you know, you
got differences of opinion, So oppositesattract, so that's what we're seeing.

(01:17:26):
And it worked really well very Romeoand Juliet exactly, very much, very
much. So yes, except theylike clearly don't like each other at the
start. So like when he realizesit was her who brought it him in,
he was like just polite and youknow kind of like okay, thank
you very much, you know,and the Empires changed everything for both of

(01:17:47):
them, so yeah, you know, kind of forcing them to have a
common enemy exactly, which obviously strengthenstheir bond. And she's not happy like
when she really eyes is who shebrought in either the funnier part of it
too, but you know, theykind of have this moment of like,

(01:18:08):
uh, you know, a slightconflict and then you know, Wedge at
least defends like Booster, who alsohelped track down the pirates who killed Wedge's
parents, so like, you know, like Wedges like I can see why,
you know, blah blah blah,but like it's all good, like
and like obviously she's mad at himbecause her his dad arrested her dad,

(01:18:29):
so it's all about like the youknow, the families and things. Yeah,
and everyone now being a criminal soit's all irrelevant. Exactly. Well,
they're only criminals until they can gettheir capital world back, right right,
And that's that being said. Buteach one of that, each one
of these members of the Squadron andanybody associated to them are all typically felons.

(01:18:53):
And that's the whole fun part aboutthe rebels as a whole, right,
Like exactly, I like that Coredoes admit to Wedge though, he's
like, I think I would havebeen nice to her if I had known,
like her dad actually did stuff tohelp, like you know, like
like yeah, like my bad,my bad. So anyways, but like

(01:19:15):
there's kind of an interesting moment here, and like so I like this though.
Wedge did say that Miracs is kindof like a sister, so like,
you know, kind of foreshouting likeI think you two would get along
really well together, you know kindof thing. Ha ha, yeah,
I'll destroy you. So there's thismoment with m Try the droid where like

(01:19:40):
he gets ditched by Wedge to Cornand Corn's like, oh man, now
I'm stuck with this really talkative droidand that, like, you know,
I think that's what they always dowith those kind of three po droids,
you like, you just don't wantthem around. Um, but he's complaining
that he needs some parts for hisship and Mtry He's like, well,
we can't get you parts because youofficially haven't signed your ship over to the
the Rebellion, So like in theory, sorry, you're on a huge long

(01:20:04):
wait list to get these parts.Instead, like if you sign your ship
over, you know you could haveit maybe tomorrow. And Korn's like,
I don't want you to do that. Why can't you just like scrounge the
parts? And then the droid hasthis weird like eye flashy moment and like,
you know, all these sensors arekind of like you know, whirling

(01:20:26):
around, and Korne's like, buddy, are you okay? And then like
switch, like his mode switched.He's in a different kind of mode and
he's like, I'll get you thosepoints. Consider it done, and like
the Korn's like, did that droidjust wink at me? So it's like
this weird little moment, and youknow, this also adds to like the
mystery of like what's going on behindscenes and you know, like the spies

(01:20:51):
and things like that. It alsoadds to me that that undercurrent theme of
droid intelligence speckled throughout not necessarily everyStar Wars book, but it's a very
large theme that kind of goes unnoticed. Absolutely, But go on, I
don't want to tear you anymore further, but I just want to I so

(01:21:12):
agree, like droids are very alwaysoverlooked, you know, because it's they're
just so used to having them theydon't really think about it anymore. Whereas
like we as a society that doesn'thave that kind of you know, best
friend companion that could save me froma burning fire, like you know,
we would notice that. And it'skind of funny too as time goes on,

(01:21:34):
Like that's how we are looking startingto look at things because our freaking
fridges talk, you know, ourtoasters are on our Wi Fi system.
So we're kind of getting that mentality. Yeah, you know, except me
because I got my phone from likeeight years ago. Yeah, you know,
it's like, oh the toothbrush istalking. Just shush up already.

(01:21:55):
And it's kind of the same mentalitythat we're seeing through through these kind of
things, I think, Yeah,but go on, go on, ye
seeing on the basically, it's likeall right, they go to bed and
everything's fine. Um, so moreon back to the Imperials, so on
the world debt, so in theRATCHUK system. In a match in Creton,

(01:22:15):
Lure he's hanging out with his AdmiralDavilia. So the first appearance for
this character as well, it waslike a short, kind of bulbous,
you know, gray haired, kindof the typical admiral at this kind of
for Imperial's level, and they're justchatting about like the black ass recent flight
and you know, for the reasonof like Lure's presence essentially he's there to

(01:22:39):
you know, to start tracking downthe Row squadron, and he suspected that,
like Dabliau was discomforted in the wholesituation, was not was also because
like this female captain that the captainblack Ass, and Davilia was like not
comfortable talking to her about the wholesituation. So it was like, so

(01:23:00):
this is where we get like thebeginnings of like the bias towards female characters
and females in any kind of militaryrole or things like that. Like I
didn't really notice it until this particularseries I found anyways, because most of
the books I had been reading atthat point was like female jedis and things

(01:23:20):
like that, and like you don'treally get that kind of sexist mentality when
it comes to the Jedi, becausethe Sho's a Jedi. She can kick
your button no matter what you say. So and the Empire at this point
in time, you know, becauseunder Palpatine things were a certain way.
So you're still having those who aremore modern when it comes to their their

(01:23:46):
thoughts and ways they conduct themselves versusthe old school, I think in this
situation, so you know, kindof like it's reflective of modern times when
it's it's a generational gap and youcan see that the that the Empire is
struggling to hold together. So Ithink a lot of these a lot of
these uh scenes. I wonder ifit's social commentary and social comparisons to events

(01:24:12):
in real time in that way.Well, that's what I was going to
ask, like at this point inthe other books that were at least out
at that time, was that fromyour readings something you had picked up on
before as well, or is thislike oh yeah, yeah, because they
alla had one heck of a timecoming up through the ranks, But you
know it might she also was ableto do it, and because things were

(01:24:32):
changing. So the Empire in itselfdid change, and especially once Palaeon actually
you know, took control over things. That's when you start to see when
you finally start to see a grandchange when it comes to the way that
females are perceived, and you startto see it here too, obviously because

(01:24:55):
who's given the orders the same,you know, So it's not that they're
not there yet at this point,you can tell that they're still in there.
They're still struggling to get to wherethey'll be in the future. When
it comes to allowing aliens females andall that kind of stuff. It's happening,
but it's not happening for everyone.Does that make sense? Yeah,
it does, Like for me whereit comes to stand like in the books

(01:25:15):
I've read of this era, sobasically it was like anything before Empire Strikes
Back I've read, but including Erto the Empire series and then everything else
in between that and New Jedi OrderI haven't read yet, so I got
really gap in my knowledge of thebooks. Well, like I mean,
I know what happens through Wikipedia,but like I just haven't read all the

(01:25:38):
books. So like, if itmakes sense, it's like Throng comes along.
First, there's a Sayne who's afemale in charge there. Throng comes
along and when he reunites everything thatchanges the game entirely, right because obviously
he's been employed before all that,but you know that's an alien basically heading
the empire. And then after thatyou have Daala with the with that trilogy.

(01:26:01):
So it is happening. Yeah,we'll get there eventually. Eventually,
eventually there won't be any long hiatus. Is like this, this guy's again,
So don't worry, guys, we'regoing to be back on top of
all this. Oh yeah, backin back in action exactly. So going

(01:26:23):
on, So they're discussing with CaptainIlliart like the recent basic as they look
at it, ambush. So it'sit's kind of interesting because they said it
was an ambush, but then therebels thought it was an ambush on them,
and then it was like was ita whole like spy situation and it's
like just a little like unclear,but they like they don't believe the captain

(01:26:45):
that it was that the rebels attackedthem and like that they didn't know this,
so they like don't trust her andthings like that. But he's like
I'm not really worried about like theimpact, but he does hear some of
like the footage, and then youknow, they were saying things like over
the calm, like rogue, youknow, rogue one or you know,
row gay and things like that.So he's like, yes, I'm like,
I'm on my path to finding them, and so he's at least happy

(01:27:10):
that he's on their trail. Yeah, and he made sure to make note
of the entry vector in the velocity, so you know, starting there he
can backtrack and figure out where they'rethey're base at this point. Yeah,
and we finally see what his trueimportance is and the fact that he really

(01:27:30):
is intelligent and he's in yeah,yeah, exactly. Know, sometimes imperials
or push over and you just followthem and you're like, this guy's so
linear, But this guy actually doeshave skill, so that's that's a plus.
Yeah, he's just like a littlelame like Dwight Trude, you know,
yeah exactly, but you know,Dwight was actually really, really really
good at the job, right.He eventually got became the manager at the

(01:27:51):
very end in the season nine,So it's like, you know, so
it's like there's there's a reason heactually is good. He's just Dwight right.
Yeah. So about two weeks laterin the Hens Theyer system first also
its first appearance, so they goesto like Mentry getting the parts for corn

(01:28:14):
and Oran's like, wow, youactually got all this stuff from my ship
and was like impressed. Did taketwo weeks, but he got it.
Anyways, their whole plan is togo to the small jungle world and to
basically relieve or to track down somerebels that had been lost in like the
chaos after the Havoc. A strikecruiser attack them, so they escape and

(01:28:36):
sunk into a lake. So therogue's mission is basically go pick up these
people with the Pulsar skate and theEri Daan, which is a Karelian corvette.
So when they they jumped into thesystem, that's where like Havoc,
the strike cruiser was still there andthey're like, oh, like thirty six
tie six bombers, twenty four starfightersand they all come out and it's like

(01:28:59):
rose watching. How many members islike eight? Nine? I think nine
by this point, yeah, Ithink ten if you consider Tycho because he's
not right but not like he cando anything. Yeah, he's got all
that artillery. Yeah, yeah,exactly. So they're doing great, Like
they're kicking butt and like Corn's happy, which is like, don't worry,

(01:29:24):
this will soon change. And it'slike, oh, okay, thanks for
reminding us that will like die soonpotentially. Oh yeah. Yeah. So
they're back at talessee, so theformer planetary, so the Governor's palace,
so it's like Wedge Tycho Captain Affionof the Erideon and you know, like

(01:29:45):
he's also up from Alderon. They'rejust discussing more things. So they're talking
about like Luke and the Death Starand Clone Wars and so this is back
to our like you know, itwas exciting moment. Now back to talking
and just like discuss dialogue is good, Lisa, I'm sorry, guys,

(01:30:09):
I seem critical again. I'm justteasing. But they're like yeah, so
they're basically just discussing like the killnumbers and like who ranks who at this
point because now they've gone through thetwo battles. Um, Corn's kind of
leading, but like um brace Joor, like the Fiferian like he's also doing
pretty good. Um but like sothey agree that because of like how things

(01:30:32):
have lined up that they're like they'retied, the two of them um.
And then all the while, soKirton Lore he's been studying like the Hensara
battle and things like that, andhe's narrowing down at them and he and
he concludes that they're in the Taalaseesystem. Um. It's either yeah,

(01:30:53):
that Morou and Talisee. So whilethey're on Tlese, there's this horrible scene
when they're all in bed and suddenlyCorn has woken up and he's like startled
awake, and like he looks besidehim like orals like m Ia from because
they generally court like cordon together,quarters together. If you want to explain

(01:31:15):
what happened in this moment. Yeah, they were under ambush and being murdered
in their sleep. So that's whenthey lost the first member of the squadron.
Koran eventually gets his wits about himand him and the Shistavan shistavn Um

(01:31:35):
what's his name? I just blinkedtold on let me look it up.
It's okay. It's okay because theboth of them they kind of couple up
together and you know, they're goingthrough this facility under nightfall and taking out
their assailants that have chosen to ambushthem in their sleep. Yeah, and
by this sad conclusion after after thestorm, he's an everyone are taken care

(01:32:00):
of, they discover that they lostone of their members. And the irony
here, I think was that shedid not die in space fighting imperials.
She somehow died in her sleep reallya vicious way. So that was that
there was some symbolism there, anduh, you know, I think that's
it also might be a point inforeshadowing that the Quran simply woke up.

(01:32:25):
Um. I don't know if thatwas truly there, but that's my my,
my, you know, personal fantake on it. No, I
agree, Yeah, her death wasan ignominious death, like it was unprecedented.
Um, you're definitely right because hesaid he felt her death. Mum.
So I think that is like oneof the if not the first stage
that we see him kind of evendo anything Jedi like yep. Um,

(01:32:50):
yeah, because I've been trying tokeep track of like the moments where like
it seems like he has something whatis the final trigger and I think hers,
Yeah, you're so right there,Yeah, every once in a while,
but it was it was it wasone of my favorite scenes within the
book because of the reaction from everyonefelt genuine and you know, they were

(01:33:15):
doing so good this whole time.And Wedge said that it would happened,
but the characters and the readers included, would have assumed that that would have
happened out there in battle or somethingcompletely tragic and screwed up would have happened,
and it would have been one ofthose just you know, shaking your
head kind of situations. But andthat did happen, but in this way,

(01:33:36):
you know, it was it felta lot more tragic because she didn't
even stand a chance. Yeah.I found the way that it was written
though, because it was more orless like a side note later, yeah,
had died. Like I didn't likethat, Like it could have been
like they would have run into theroom and had seen her like that and
have been like struck, horrified kindof thing. But it was just like

(01:33:59):
it only was revealed afterwards that it'slike, oh, she died. And
part of it's all just I getwhat you're saying with that too, And
I think part of it is reallyto convey that that real human experience of
war when when things just go awryand there actually isn't any there actually isn't
any moment that you can grasp to. It really is just like you just

(01:34:23):
hear it that your friend died,and that's how it is, you know,
and then you're expected to just keepeating, go back to bed,
whatever else happens. You know.That's kind of in a war, this
greedy. It's sometimes you don't actuallyeven get to see the real event.
You know, it's just one morething, just keep flying. M oh,

(01:34:44):
that's going to be my head.But then they all do swear to
retaliate together and like strike back.Oh yes, but the name wrote squadron
more into public and like so thatthey fear them. Yea, their reprisal
is a little biblical. Yeah,So well their luck doesn't run out just

(01:35:14):
yet. So now we get alittle bit of a like fan moment where
we were actually on home one.So Wedge observes Mtry's character change and you
know he So now it's back tolike suspicion and normal things like that.
So Psalam which akber tyco. They'reall discussing the possible leak, yeah,
and that their security is still tightbut like nothing's noticed, and they were

(01:35:40):
like there's just can't be one,like, how could anyone be like getting
past their defenses or sensors blah blahblah and things like that. So they
don't really know how they were attackedso easily. But all it really came
down to was that Kirton Lore hadactually just backtracked where they jumped out of
space and made an assumption and wascorrect. So he was definitely the imperial

(01:36:02):
to put on the job, eventhough he, like you know, has
some sort of shortcoming. So thetheir next plan is they wanted to cripple
the world blood debt, and theyagree to that. M let's talk a
little bit about the funeral. It'sit's just very brief in the story where

(01:36:24):
they draped like a white cloth overher and then they actually shoot her into
space towards a red Dwarf. Ilove that scene. Yeah, I thought
that was really cool. Yeah.I know a lot of franchises adopt a
very similar kind of story, butit was really important to see um the

(01:36:46):
formal aspects of the New Republic militaryand that these kind of glimpses into it.
You know, there's there's other homagesmuch much the same to it or
similar to it. Rather in otherbooks, but here given the times that
we actually, you know, asfans, were able to finally see these

(01:37:06):
kind of things, it was verycool. Yeah. Well, we had
discussed guys that we're going to bedoing this in two parts, so I
think this is where we're going totake a break in our story and come
back in about a week two weeksand put out the next episode. How

(01:37:29):
how do you feel about that,Kyle? I think that that sounds great.
Lisa, very excited, very veryexcited. I'm glad you're excited.
Yes, so you're Yeah, whatare your what is your thoughts so far
in this story? I love thebook once it got rolland by this point

(01:37:51):
of the story, um, evendespite all of the things that we had
to go through in our life too. Yeah, we had to calm our
minds to be able to appreciate it. By this point of the story,
I was completely immersed, and muchlike anything, it did not take me
much more than two days to justfinish the book because I was I was

(01:38:12):
in it, and and and foranybody listening, please like just because it's
not necessarily one of my favorite StarWars novels, if you put anything else
in from me, I will readit five times versus anything else that you
give me, just because I dolove anything to Star Wars. So please
don't take any of my little quippyremarks or anything, because every Star Wars

(01:38:32):
book, in my mind, isbetter than than reading any other kind of
fiction. So you know, Ireally enjoyed the story, especially by the
time we got through it and ourour personal story to go along with it.
You know, we were really wewere really going through it, and
it was a good time for usto bond. And um, Miss Lisa

(01:38:54):
made me a formal co host duringthis time too. So this, this,
this story is going to day inmy mind for a long time.
Oh well, it's been a heckof a year, that's for sure.
Oh yeah, yeah, well I'mglad we're back. Um, for sure,
I definitely enjoyed this story. There'sa lot of moments where I struggle

(01:39:16):
through it, um, partially becauseof my personal experiences and partially because sometimes
I would just be like, oh, they're at the bar again, Okay,
look, just give me something else, Like come on, but I
know it's book one out of whatnine fourteen I can't remember. And if

(01:39:39):
you, if you, if youinclude Mercy kill which you should, and
then well, which we will,don't worry. And then one can also
argue that books out of the NewJanet Order should kind account, but obviously
that's that's stretching it a little bit. Well why wouldn't it. I mean,

(01:40:00):
it's not formally part of the series, but they characters from the series
are heavily featured throughout the novels.You know, there's nineteen and jo books,
so there was a couple of themto feature these guys heavily. Oh
sorry, I totally didn't understand whatyou meant. I thought you meant the
New Jedo Order wasn't part of theLegends. I was like, wait what,
oh woh no, absolutely not.It was probably one of the most

(01:40:24):
exciting times of Legends. I'd argue, I quite like the storyline. I
know it's a long series, butit's a very interesting concept and that I
do not not ever enjoy the StarWars books. There's certainly some that I
struggled through. Um, this wasa little bit one of them. However,

(01:40:45):
again, like I know, it'sbook one out of out of X
amount of books, which I'm finewith and I'm looking forward to getting more
into these characters. Learning more aboutCorn. I'm hoping we're going to see
more other other characters, maybe somethingcool with like Mirax. Definitely want to

(01:41:06):
learn more about Eza and Izard becauseshe seems like she's gonna be badass.
So I'm all for, you know, strong female characters. Obviously, hence
my rants during this episode, butlike, come on, guys, I'm
ranting for a reason, and I'msure everyone has their own big see it

(01:41:27):
in news and everything like that,So I apologize if it's a little too
much. But if it's too much, then why are you listening to me
talk? So I don't know.Anyways, I'm really happy to be back.
I'm so glad to be bringing Legendsback, and I'm excited for a
lot that's going to be coming inthe future and for our next announcements.

(01:41:48):
Guys, it's gonna be pretty cool. Um something that's that's going to be
happening, and we'll we'll get tothat, and we're gonna eventually have our
new format where we're gonna be visibleon YouTube so you can see me with
my cats and stuff like that.Well while we record, and I do
want to do a giveaway because Ihad announced it on Facebook that I would

(01:42:10):
give away at least a book.Um, I was going to give away
the Heart of the Jedi copy.So hopefully whoever give that away too,
they don't go ahead and like sellit on eBay or something three, because
I will stay true to my wordfor that. Um. But yeah,
so thanks everyone for listening again,Kyle. If you want to say how

(01:42:31):
everyone can get ahold of you,oh for sure. Um, you can
get a hold of me at Darndarn qatarn on Twitter. Just you use
my name on Facebook, you canfind me there. You can get a
hold of me via proxy through theStar Wars timeline dot net, but that
is mainly job and Jora, butstill, you know, um can just

(01:42:55):
through that that avenue as well,and through at Legend's Library podcast on Twitter
and Instagram exactly, and also ouremail guys, if you ever want to
send me an email, I doread them and write them. It may
not be immediates, but Legends LibraryPodcast at gmail dot com, or you
can write to our website what LegendsLibrary podcast dot com and just you know

(01:43:17):
check out the articles. Um.I'm going to have one out about Bain
soon because I think a lot aboutBain you do Bain Bain, Bain Pain.
It's like Bain Vader, Batman.There's a lot of man in my
head that should be shouldn't be there. And do feel free to check out

(01:43:40):
the Conclave guys. Yes, absolutely, If you do at Jedi Conclave two
on Twitter, that will pull uptheir page and then they are the Jedi
Praxium via Reddit. Awesome. Well, thanks everyone for listening, and we'll
come back soon with our part twoof X Wing Rogue Squadron. So Lisa
and up Kyley, the Force bewith you. That concludes this edition of

(01:44:05):
Legends Library. To join the discussion, please email the show at Legends Library
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