"I Was Telepathically Called Outside - What I Saw Changed Everything" | James Landoli - Lehto Files - Investigating UAPs

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Really what catapulted me into this in a very serious
way was a series of events that I had in
two thousand and seven, which were a series of kind
of in your face UFO experiences. And when I was
in the accident, I came out of my body and

(00:20):
I was looking down at the accident and I saw
like an ambulance and all this. All of a sudden,
I get what you can call a telepathic lock up right,
and I heard a voice say come outside. As soon

(00:42):
as I get past the trees, I look up and
less than one hundred feet in the air, I see
what looks like a hexagonal UFO. They said, who's here?
I said, just come outside. So they come outside, they
see these others crashed in the sky. And this whole
thing goes on for twenty to twenty five minutes. That

(01:07):
aspect of the consciousness says way more, is much more
profound than just like, oh, there's other intelligence in the world,
in the universe.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Chris later, Welcome to Lato Files. Hey, welcome back to
Lado Files. Today. I'm joined by James Landoli. He's a
creator and host of Engaging the Phenomenon. It's a long
running podcast and YouTube channel. That dives deep into UFOs
non human intelligence CE five contact protocols. He's actually had

(01:46):
direct personal experiences with the phenomenon, so we'll talk about
contact consciousness and what it all might mean for humanity
going forward. So thank you James for being here. How

(02:08):
are you doing today, I'm great.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Thanks for inviting me on. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, great to connect with a fellow UFO YouTuber. It's
not the easiest space to create content in. But so
what first pulled you into the UFO UEP world. Was
there a specific moment or experience that launched you on
this path?

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, I mean, for me, for sure was experiences. You know,
I had experiences going back to when I was younger,
not necessarily what I would say UFO experiences per se,
and you know, later on down the line I realized
though it could be connected. But really what catapulted me

(02:49):
into this in a very serious way was a series
of events that I had in two thousand and seven
which were a series of kind of in your face
UFO experiences. And it was at that point where this
kind of became a mission for me to be involved
in this work.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
So I'm sure you've talked about these before on your
show and other podcasts. But can you give just a
brief synopsis, I guess, or what's the most impactful event?

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Sure? You know, again, when I was younger, I had
experiences like out of body experiences and even entity experiences,
but at the time I didn't consider them UFO entity experiences.
They were more like shadows, but there was a very
high telepathic quality to it, like very directly, and that

(03:41):
was kind of frightening. But because of those experiences, I
was always interested in this kind of these kinds of
subject matters, consciousness, metaphysics, and around the age of eighteen,
I began meditating and practicing chigong and you know Chinese
martial arts, that kind of thing, some of the yogas,

(04:02):
And by two thousand and seven is when I had
this kind of series of really in your face experiences.
And you know, I'll go a quick overview because all
the events are related, and it really is an example
of the high strangeness quality, right because the first the

(04:27):
first experience, you know, I was at work. I was
working an overtime shift and a worker had said to me, Hey,
did you hear about the UFOs in Mexico? And I
didn't hear anything about it. So I thought it was
weird that he had asked me, because he's, you know,

(04:49):
our kind of conversation was, hey, how's your family, what's
going on at work kind of thing. Nothing that you know,
goes into UFOs or any anything weird. It's very served
of individual. So I thought that was weird, but I
just brushed it off, and I, you know, I went
home and it was an overnight shift, so I went
home and I went to sleep, and in you know,

(05:14):
when I went to sleep, I had this crazy vivid dream.
And in the dream, you know, I would wake up
or I become aware. In this dream, and I'm driving
down one of my old neighborhood blocks and there's a
UFO like right above my car, and it's in a dream, right,
and it's like this orange plasma electric pulsing craft. And

(05:40):
I'm driving and I can't get away from it, and
I'm like super reactive for whatever reason. I'm just trying
to get away from it and I can't. I can't,
you know, I'm driving and speeding and trying to get away,
and eventually I can't, like after maybe two and a
half minutes of this. In this dream. I wake up
out of my dream, and you know, I wake up
and it's the afternoon now, and I'm kind of collecting

(06:01):
myself like that was kind of weird. But then one
of my family members walks in the house and the
first thing they say is, hey, did you hear about
the UFOs in Mexico. So now now I'm like, you know,
this is now starting to like come together, because I
wasn't even thinking about the guy saying that and my

(06:22):
dream connecting yet. That even hadn't even dawned on me
because I just woke up. So when when they said
that to me, I was like, you know, screw this,
this is like some kind of weird thing, right. I
was just like, I don't know, this didn't make sense.
So I walk out of my house and I decided like, oh,
I'm going to go to the Chinese place down the

(06:42):
street and just like collect myself basically. And it's you know,
it's about three point thirty in the afternoon or so
in late spring, early summer, and I get into my
car and I start driving, and within a few hundred
feet of driving in a clear blue sky, I just
see a fireball and it's stationary and it's like right

(07:07):
in front of me in the sky, and I think
in my head, like, holy shit, that's a UFO. And
as soon as I think that, it starts moving and
I'm like elated, right because it's obviously not any anything else, right, Like,
it's this fireball that has like almost like a living
quality to it. I say a fireball because it's it

(07:31):
was like energetic, but it was something about it seemed
living or organic or I don't, I don't know how
you described it. It was like it had a quality
like that to it. And it clearly was not any
kind of meteor object because it was stationary. And then
it's moving, and the most remarkable thing was that it

(07:53):
responded to my thought of holy shit, that's a UFO.
And eventually it got out of site, and yeah, I
tried to chase it and like actually find try to
follow it because I was fascinated, and it got out
of my site and that was it. I was intrigued
at that point, and I was already familiar with you know,

(08:13):
UFO research and literature at that point, and I actually
live in the Hudson Valley and there was something called
the Hudson Valley UFO Wave in the in the mid
and late eighties, exactly where I live could be connected
to the nuclear facility around here Indian Point. You know,
this is all in retrospect, but so that that happened,

(08:37):
and then maybe about two months later, I ended up
getting into a car accident actually in the in the
same exact area. And again I didn't I didn't really
put the two and two together until after all this happened.
But I had gotten to a car accident in that

(08:57):
exact area basically where I had seen the UFO, and
in the car accident, I had something that I call
a trauma induced out of body experience because it was
not a true end near death experience, but it simulated
like one because I got in the accident and when
I was in the accident, I came out of my

(09:19):
body and I was looking down at the accident and
I saw like an ambulance and all this, and I
was like a point of awareness in the sky looking
down and I was thinking, like, holy shit, this is it, huh,
Like I was aware and I was conscious although I
was looking down at you know, this accident, and I

(09:40):
had thought that I had passed away because I was
conscious and out of my body, right. And you know,
before and actually before I even became that point of
awareness looking down at everything, I was in what you
can consider like an alternate realm or something, I know
how to describe it. And I was face to face

(10:01):
with this light entity. And for some reason in my
my thinking, my awareness, or I had a knowing that
this entity was somehow related to me in some way,
that it was like a part of me, or you know,
something like that. That's not that's the best way I
could describe in words. And there was this whole crystalline orchestra, right,

(10:25):
and like an angelic orchestra in like the background of
this when I'm face to face with this entity, and
it's like what people couldnsider heavenly, right. And I again,
I'm not I'm not particularly religious, you know. I went
to c CD and all that, and but I would not.
I'm not somebody who's going to church every week. But

(10:46):
in that whole thing, I heard the message of you know,
God is all there is, ever was, and ever will be,
and so that and then and then I got to
the point where I'm in the point of aware, and
it's looking down at the accident. It shifted to that,
but there was also this transitional phase where I was

(11:07):
a point of consciousness and I can see the past,
present in future simultaneously, in almost like a spherical sense,
like a spherical nonlinear point of perception, if that makes sense.
And uh. And it was at that point that I
moved to being above the accident looking down. But when

(11:27):
I when I was looking down at the accident and
I thought I had passed away, I was like in
a complete equanimity where it didn't matter, Like there was
no regret, no remorse, no contemplation, no there was no
like oh my god, I didn't do this, or oh
my I'm finished, or like it was. I was totally

(11:50):
cool with it, like at total ease, and I wouldn't
say you for it, but there was a like a
mild you four but like again, equanimity, complete, like blissful indifference.
And then all of a sudden, I just started going

(12:11):
in and boom, I'm right back to my body and
I wake up and I'm like, oh my god, I'm alive.
I didn't put the pieces together, I believe it or not,
until a few years later, but the where I was
looking down on the accident was the exact point in
the sky where I had seen the fireball UFO. And

(12:35):
again that didn't click until I was describing the story
actually to somebody years later that I said, oh my god,
that's actually where I saw the UFO was my advantage
point when I was looking down and after the accident.
But it's funny because I had the sighting first, right,
So that I mean, and I don't even know what
that means, like what does that imply? But so the

(13:00):
day after the accident, right, I'm just like, I get
out of the hospital. You know, I had a concussion,
probably nothing major. Uh, that's why I call it a
trauma and dudes out of body experience. But I was
I was just like totally you know, grateful to be alive.
Basically I felt physically different, right, and maybe maybe it's

(13:21):
because I hit my head in the accent, I don't know,
but like like I felt like high high vibrational right,
like people talk about all like you you know, raise
your vibration. Like I viscerally felt different, and I was
just grateful to be alive, Like wow, I really could
have just died, right, And it really made me think

(13:44):
deeply on that level. So you know, I get home,
and uh, you know, later in the evening, I'm just
cleaning my room kind of just like wow, like I'm
happy to be doing these menial tasks because I'm alive,
and I have this opportunity right to even just do that,
because you know, I'm contemplating I could have been dead easily, right,

(14:08):
And all of a sudden, I get what you can
call a telepathic lock on, right, and I heard a
voice say come outside. But it wasn't just it wasn't
just like an audio thing, right, Like, there was a

(14:28):
there was feeling, sensations associated with it, and there was
my eyes were open and I'm in my room, but
there was a there was an overlay, I guess you
can say, in my mind's eye where I saw these
two entities, and I hate to say this because it's
almost cliche, is that they were like white, blonde Nordic

(14:49):
entities and like these tight suits, and you know, I
felt like an extreme level of connection to them. And
there was this whole download that came with that, which
which I'm going to get into. But I the instant
that I guess you could say that connection was made,

(15:09):
I felt what people would consider like a like a
Kundalini effect. There was like an electricity through my body.
I was already feeling like the high frequency vibration thing
after the accident, which was like a mild nausea and
euphoria at the same time, if that makes sense. And uh,

(15:29):
but this when as soon as the thought and the
download and the connection hit me, I guess you can say,
I felt like this energetic Kundalini effect in my entire body.
And so i'm you know, that said come outside. So
I'm running outside, and I already knew what was going

(15:51):
to happen basically in the sense that these entities or
these beings were here, you know, whatever you want to
call them. So I run out side, and you know,
there's some trees. So I have to get past the
tree so I can look up into the sky. But
before I can even look in the sky, I hear
like a low hum. It's like very basy, It's like

(16:12):
boom boom, and every time it pulses, I can feel
the vibration or electricity in my body along with this
Kundalini type effect. And this this merged consciousness with these entities, right,
and as soon as I get past the trees, I
look up and less than one hundred feet in the air,

(16:33):
I see what looks like a hexagonal UFO in that
it's rounded like a disc, but it has flat edges
that are round it, and there's these lights going around them,
and in the center where's like a perfectly square white
light fixture. And I'm at at this point, I'm kind

(16:56):
of freaking out right, and but in a positive way.
I was elated because of the connection to these alleged entities.
And I say alleged entities because I don't know if
that is their action, if it's a literal form for them, right.
You know, again, years when this is all going on,

(17:18):
I'm taking everything very literally at face value. I'm thinking
that these are extra threshoal beings that look like us,
blonde hair, blue eyes, and what have you. But you know,
years of thinking after, I'm not sure if this is
like a representation or something that they used for something
that was relatable to me. I'm not sure. But anyway,

(17:38):
so I actually run down these stairs carefully and go
into my driveway and this hexagonal craft is just floating
above me slowly, and it has that basy hum, and
it disappeared and then instantaneously reappeared about a thousand feet away,

(18:00):
way over this man made lake across the street from
where I lived. And you know when I say it
disappeared and reappeared, it was instantaneous. There was it like
from from when it disappeared to reappeared. It was instantaneous.
It wasn't just like it moved fastly over there. It

(18:21):
dematerialized and then re materialized instantaneously. And when I saw
it over there a thousand feet away over the man
made lake, when it got to that point, that's when
my attention was in that direction. And I saw it
two other crafts like that, and again they had the
lights going around and they looked exactly the same. And

(18:44):
at this point, I'm like, like, is this actually happening
or did I did I hit my head in the
car accident the other day so bad that I'm just
like hallucinating because this is like overwhelming, right, And so
I I ran in my house and I had two
family members there, and I said, guys, you got to

(19:04):
come outside. And they said why, I said, they're here.
They said, who's here? I said, just come outside. So
they come outside and they see these these crafts in
the sky and this whole thing goes on for twenty
to twenty five minutes of these crafts just gliding the sky,
disappearing and reappearing, the lights going around and everything, And

(19:26):
in my mind, I'm thinking, like this is disclosure, right,
Like this is going to be all over the papers,
like for sure, this is like the moment of contact
kind of thing. That's That's what it felt like, is
I For some reason, I thought like everybody must know
that this is going on right now, which I apparently
not because it never was not in the papers or anything.
But you know, during this whole interaction, I received what

(19:50):
people call like a download, and I'm I'm I don't
want to say I'm skeptical, but I'm I'm cautious to
take everything literally in the sense where there's there's several
possibilities here. You know. Number one is although this whole

(20:17):
thing felt very genuine, for all, I know that it's
some kind of non human intelligence that is telling me
whatever I want to hear, rather than everything it's communicating
being literal, right, it felt genuine, It felt very heartfelt.
These entities said that they're connected to us, and they

(20:37):
actually want people to know that they're here and that
kind of thing, and it felt like that was the case.
But I don't know if even my brain's just interpreting
that somehow, or maybe it is exactly as as I
experienced it, right, But I like to keep it open
to say there could be error in my interpretation of

(21:03):
the event in the sense where like the objects were there,
that happened, they told me to come outside, and there
were UFOs, right, that happened, I'm sure of. But you know,
when it comes to experiencers and receiving messages and then
taking those messages literally, there's always I always have questions

(21:25):
because you know, everybody gets all these different messages and
there's these different beings and you know, I don't know
if if there's different messages and you know, are they
just different beings or people interpreting it wrong or it's
being filtered to our own biases, right, So I always
come back to question if all that, like the communication

(21:49):
or downloads should be taken literally at phase value or
there's just error and interpretation. So when after that series
of events happened is when I just was like I
felt obligated in a sense to participate in in the
UFO subject and with my my experience is kind of

(22:11):
being my guide, right, because that's that's what I know
for sure, and that's what I can move forward with.
So when I was hearing about the consciousness stuff, like I,
I to me, that's what made sense because that's what
I had experienced. And you know, shortly after that, I
ended up finding CE five and I really liked the

(22:34):
idea of CE five. To be quite honest, I heard
Stephen Greer talking doctor Stephen Greer, I found a disclosure project,
and I'm like, who the hell is this freaking there's
a you had all these military people and then there's
just this random doctor, right, Like, what is going on
with this doctor guy? So I looked his work up

(22:54):
and I found CE five, and you know what took
me was that the way that he, that doctor Stephen
Grier was describing contact is exactly how I had experienced it,
and I had not taught heard many people talk about
contact that way as to that point. And that was
this was about two thousand and eight too, Yeah, two

(23:17):
thousand and eight that I actually found his work. But
again the most most important for me was the idea
of CE five because when you're describing CE five I'm like,
oh my god, why didn't I think of that? Right, Like,
all my experiences had this consciousness element, you know, and
you don't have to just be a bystander. You can
actually go out and initiate interactions if you want, you know,

(23:37):
using something like CE five. So at that point I
got very involved in the CE five community. I created
the first CE five social networking groups, and I connected
with and went out into the field with hundreds of
CE five field workers over you know, the course of
some odd years, and I was I was practicing CE

(23:57):
five like for intently because you know, I wanted to
better understand my own experiences but also participate in that
conversation to the best of my ability. And it kind
of matched my experience and that you know, again, these
entities we're talking about, they wanted people to know that

(24:19):
they're here and whatnot, and they're related to us and
all that. And I thought, you know, even if I
were to tell people this kind of thing, some people
might believe it. Some people even if they believed it,
like what can they really do with that? But the
idea of CE five is, like I had the realization,
like to have that kind of transformative quality in your

(24:43):
consciousness of like what this is real? You kind of
you know, having the experience is really what does it?
Not reading a book or seeing a documentary, although that
can be compelling. When you know that UFOs are real
or non human intelligence or real matter of fact, you know,

(25:03):
through direct experience, that's that has a transformative shift in
your awareness and you know, very much akin to what
the great late doctor John Mack called the Passport to
the Cosmos.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Okay, wow, man, that was that was amazing. And I
don't like interrupting, you know when people are thinking back
to their experience. But yeah, right away, we were talking
before we before I hit record, and I was talking about, Yeah,
if you do UAP investigation as a job, it's very
difficult to lick it look into it, you know, on
your free time as a hobby or whatever. So I said, yeah,

(25:40):
and my free time I don't spend I don't spend
a lot of time looking into UFO stuff, but I
do look into NDEs. I have like the secret addiction,
you know, before I go to bed or something, I'll
see some NDE YouTuber or YouTube channel and I find
it really interesting, you know, especially after I interviewed Leslie Kane,
and she after her UFO book and her investigations into UFOs,

(26:03):
she started looking into surviving death and she brought she
wrote an amazing book Surviving Death, and then she did
the Netflix series. So I do have a secret hobby,
if you will, of looking into near death experiences. So
I thought that right away was really interesting of your
story about how you basically went to that above you know,

(26:26):
three hundred and sixty degree overhead view of the scene,
and so you were unconscious at that time? Is that
what happened?

Speaker 1 (26:35):
So that's the thing. I was not unconscious. My body
was unconscious apparently, but my awareness was not exactly.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah. Yeah, And that's what they find with the near
death experience. There's a lot of data where basically the
person will be flatlined essentially where they have proof that
there was no brain activity. But then the person will
recount in the you know afterwards that no, I had
this experience, you know, I was above, saw the doctor
doing this. I saw that. So you had a similar

(27:02):
thing really where you were you were aware.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah, And even with the near death experience, they see
like whatever it is the shoe on the roof of
the hospital kind of thing. And you know, yeah, Leslie
is a close friend of mine and I'm going to
actually talk with her on my I have a newer
channel called Exploring Higher Realities that gets a little bit
away from UFOs and more into the conscious side of things.

(27:26):
But you would be surprised, you know, there was a
research study done people. Yeah, people have issues with how
the data was collected and all that, but it's called
the Free Research u the Foundation for the Reality of
Extraordinary Experiences, and then it became changes name recently, but

(27:50):
Ray Hernandez started the organization but it became the Edgar
Mitchell Foundation because Ray Hernandez was working with doctor Edgar Mitchell,
who founded I the Institute for the Study of Neuetic Sciences,
and that the there's a there's a high level of
correlation with you know, it's not just like, oh, somebody

(28:14):
has a UFO experiences and and then somebody has like
PSI experiences or somebody has an ND experience for for
whatever reason. If if somebody has an ND experience, which
is a very small population of the planet, right uh,
they there's a high correlation that that individual is going

(28:34):
to have a UFO experience as well. And vice versa,
so that there's been studies on that, and that's a Again,
it's a fascinating correlation. And I think it has to
do with the opening of somebody's awareness, right. I think
whether once you have a UFO experience or an ND experience,
it opens you up to a broader, you know, range

(28:58):
of reality. They say, we only perceive, you know, a
fraction of reality, like less than five percent of actual reality,
because that's what our brains are designed to filter our
information that doesn't affect our survival or whatever it is.
You know, we don't see ultraviolet and infrared and much

(29:21):
more than that. But I think once you're again, whether
it's through like intensive meditation somebody has, like even psychedelics, right,
or or near death experience or UFO encounter or some
kind of spontaneous psychic experience, it opens the aperture of
your awareness up to what people consider subtle realities.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Okay, that's really interesting. I remember when I talked to
Lesley Kane. That's what she said. Also is that when
people have near death experiences or when they're passing, they'll
also see UAPs. And if and even when people see
UAP they'll sometimes or I don't maybe often see ghosts,

(30:05):
if you will, or dead relatives or something. They'll basically
it crosses both realms like you just said. And I
even had my own kind of like Kundalini experience, if
you will, And that was eighteen months ago. I don't
know if I'd recommend that to anyone else, But since then,

(30:27):
I haven't had itt ufolks. You know I've tried. I
go to like I went to Area fifty one, you know,
I went to Vernald Valley, Hestlin. I did see an
orb on the distance in Hestolin, and the project director
was there and he said, no, there's no aircraft there,
et cetera. But I've yet to experience something like like
you've had directly. So if we go back to your

(30:49):
your experience, so, do you have any corroborating information? You know,
a lot of the near death experiences will have information
that they couldn't have known really while they were unconscious.
You may in the shoe there I think that was
in Leslie Kane's book is about the shoe where the
where the shoe was located in the hospital. A person
during any saw that and was able to point it out.
Did you have any data you know, we're able to

(31:11):
say there were four ambulances there or something that that
blew anyone.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
I mean just that the scene itself was simple. And
I didn't like interview people afterwards or you know, I
was in the mix of it. But it as far
as I know, the scene was accurate to what I
had seen, and like it was my car there and
the ambulance there and what have you?

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Okay, And then how did you correlate it to the
actual location of the fireball? Because when I when you
went through your when you saw the fireball, could you
tell easily, like how far away it was? Could you
tell distance? Because normally that's a difficult thing to determine.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
It was hard to tell. I mean, I couldn't tell
you the exact distance I could you know, again I
don't I don't know the size of the object. But
it was very easy because it was in the accame location.
It was all this happened within like basically a block
or two of my house of where I lived, and

(32:08):
the accident was right there. And again when when I
saw the object in the sky, it's it's from the
exact location where the car accident was.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Okay, And is that do you go that way like
every day. Is it just because or was there anything
different today? Well?

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, I live in a different location now, but I did. Yeah,
I did, okay, because it was just it was on
the block of where I lived.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
And so when you met the entities when you were
unconscious or during the accident, conscious but not conscious, your
body wasn't conscious. Was it the same entities that later
communicated with you? Did you get the same visual No? No?

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah? Which I you know again, when during during that
that accident, the trauma induced out of body experience, it
was like a light entity.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
I mean again, somebody somebody might call that like angelic
being or spirit guide or higher self. I don't. I
don't know what to call it other than a light being.
And that again, for some reason, I and again I
was absorbed in the experience, but somehow it felt like

(33:24):
that being was not separate from me.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Okay, And that does sound like a lot of the
near death experience accounts. But either they talk about a oneness,
they talk about time basically not having any meaning. There's
the euphoria like they don't want to go back into
their body. Did you have any feelings like you didn't
want to go back into your body.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
There was not even a resist There was not a
resistance to that because I, in that sense, I didn't
have time to consider it. I was not in my
mind I there. I didn't even think that I had
the option to do that, right I would For some
reason that didn't come up, and I was basically cool
with whatever would happened. That's how, like I said, I

(34:11):
was in a complete equanimity, so I didn't If it
makes sense, I didn't care one way or the other. Really, yeah,
but you know, going back, like thinking about that state, like, yeah,
I mean there was no there was no stress or
resistance or inertia. It was just like a feeling of

(34:31):
complete freedom.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Okay. And then I'm sure because people say in the comments,
you know, you were sober at the time in the accident.
You didn't mention the accident or anything, but I'm assuming.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, I was working another overnight, and I was working
seven days a week at that point. I was really
not getting much sleep, and it was like the middle
of the day, I was up the whole night and
I was like, I'm just going to go out right,
And I don't even recall where I was going at
the time. But yeah, it was like it was actually

(35:07):
in the middle of the day and I had not slept, okay,
so it was like sleep deprivation thing, And I mean
that could have added to the experience as well.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
And when I had my crazy kind of leaning experience,
actually it was I wasn't sleeping very much. I think
a lot of it was just lack of sleep. I
don't know if that.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah, I mean I wouldn't I would not advise sleep deprivation,
but it is actually something that's utilized in different practices,
like sleep deprivation to induce altered states.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, it makes sense, I think. I know in the military,
it's one of the approved torture techniques actually to keep
people awake from extended periods of time, because I guess
they believe and I've made videos before against any sort
of CI torture programs, et cetera. Shure this video get

(36:05):
less views because I'm mentioning this, But they they do
actually keep people awake for extended periods of time to
induce kind of altered states and maybe get them to
give up information, et cetera. So yeah, and you can die.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Yeah, yeah, well, even in esthetic practices, right, like sleep deprivation, fasting,
you know, basically not eating, long periods of meditation, all
that kind of stuff. You know, you use that for
like Native American journeys and what have you.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Okay, all right, well cool, let's let's go back to this.
These experiences. So you survive and you're you're very happy
that you survived, and you mentioned that afterwards. After this
experience and and you meet this the entity in your
back your body, you felt a higher vibration and that

(37:03):
people talk about that a lot, like you know, raising
your vibration or you know, negative evil thoughts or whatever,
or this low vibration. Can you put any sort of
descriptive words to that? What does that mean?

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, I mean it's it's a lightness, a quality of lightness.
And you know in the Yogas they would call this saphik, right,
it's very stik, which is that kind of energy quality
has to do with clarity basically non stress. So for me,

(37:42):
it felt visceral in the sense that there was like
a mild tangling. I felt awake and aware, very peaceful,
not stressed, less tension in the in the mind, if
that makes sense. Like generally speaking, like when we go

(38:03):
through our normal day. We're in you know what people
call like a beta brainwave pattern, and we're reactive, and
it's good to be in that, especially if you're working
and doing whatever task you're supposed to be doing. But
it was very you know, I felt like I was
in a super tranquil meditative state without having done meditation,

(38:24):
if that makes sense, you know. And I felt again,
very light and clear and unbothered.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Okay, and at a lot of people say as well
that the experience is realer than real or definitely realer
than a dream, And Jim semi Van said realer than real,
if that makes sense. Did you have that sort of
impression either time?

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, I mean, I mean in that sense, it's it's
super meaningful and it's so direct that I just I
you know what Jim means. And you know, I've spoken
to Jim a number of times, you know, about all
these different topics there's Yeah, I mean, it feels like

(39:12):
the quality of it, it feels like you're experiencing reality
directly without the filters of the brain, right if I
can say it like that, hmm, Like your judge, your
judgments and biases are not as I mean, this is
how I felt we're not like as overlaid on the
experience rather than having an experience of pure experience.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
The two encounters, did you feel like they were similar?

Speaker 1 (39:39):
They? I mean, they definitely had different qualities to them.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Uhh.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
And I was in like, I guess you could say,
different states of awareness within the experiences. Uh, there was
a similar feeling, right, like the even gratitude you can say,
right like it was one of one of the those
kind of underlying feelings. Yeah. This again, this this awareness

(40:07):
of like a unity consciousness kind of thing without getting
too wu. Those kind of feelings were there, right, But
the experiences themselves were very different because one was in
an almost liminal type state and the other was I
was in like a very like three D consensus reality scenario.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
When you get this telepathic communication, had you had anything before?
I guess how did you know it wasn't your own thoughts?
You know, I'll have thoughts in my brand bike. How
do you even know if you're having telepathic communication you're
not just thinking to yourself because you.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Know, I mean, it's that obvious, it's that different. And
again I actually, yeah, when I was younger, I had
a telepathic experience with again non human entities. And I
guess somebody can say that's the case, you're imagining it.
It really didn't feel that way. And I, you know,

(41:05):
I saw these shadow type entities and it was again
it was super telepathic. And the first thing that those
entities had said was he could see us, and that
that freaked me out. But that was the only thing
experienced before I had of telepathy. But just like like
when I heard the telepathy tapes, right, the way that

(41:27):
the people in the telepathy tapes are describing telepathy is exactly,
you know, how how I would describe how teleopathy happens.
And it's it's more. Again, It's more than just an
auditorial auditory thing. It wasn't just like I heard a
voice or words, right. There was this entire complex, comprehensive

(41:53):
like a merger of consciousness. Right. It was not just
like there was no question in my mind that I
was going on, if that makes sense, right, Like I
I hear my voice in my head all day every
day when I'm thinking things. This was a magnitude different
in order.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Okay, that's great to hear, Yeah that I'm glad. That
clears up a lot of questions so then when you
when you get this telepathic communication, you said you could
actually see the entities, or you at least you got
a visual impression of what eats a good way you
learned later what what they sent you. I guess what

(42:36):
they wanted you to see.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
That all happened. It wasn't later. It was everything at once.
When I'm describing it, it sounds like I'm saying it's
later because that's the only way I can describe it
as linearly. But it was everything at once, simultaneous.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Okay. And you said the classic Nordic right, So, blonde hair,
blue eyes like like me, I guess, but pretty much
with longer hair. Okay, they had long hair. Okay, that's
why I'm growing.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
There was a male and a female and like this
almost lightish blue gray, a typical like spacesuit kind of
thing that you would see depictions of Nordic etis. Yeah.
And again I don't know if that is actually what
they looked like or they were. That was some kind
of representation that would make sense to me, and that's

(43:26):
why they use that form. I really don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Okay. And then so when you you run outside and
you see this craft, I thought it was really interesting
that it's hexagonal shaped, like my Carrera basically said, and
that and the eight gone that Jake Barbara was talking about,
what did you think about those?

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Or so they they they described that as an eight
gone And in my experience, this was in two thousand
and seven, I say it was like a hexagon because
I didn't I didn't count the side right, it didn't
seem I'm just like, you know, it could have been pentagonal,
but hexagon is what stood out to me, just because

(44:09):
of how even it was hexagonal and it was round
and it had the flatter edges. So I don't, you know,
I have no way to relate what I experienced to
what they had seen. I really I don't know what
to make of that.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Okay. And then you said you had two family members
come out, and did they see exactly the same, Like
they fully corroborated that the craft were there and they
could see the shape and everything.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Yeah, but well by the time they came out, it
wasn't as close because they had moved across, like maybe
a thousand feet away at least, but they saw what
I was.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Seeing, Okay. And then they did you guys watched it together,
I guess for like twenty minutes. Yeah, okay, what did
they do? Did they move around or do any anything?

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Yeah, so the crafts were moving around, disappearing and then reappearing. Okay,
and you know we were fascinated. And you know, my
family actually two same family members and one other family
member were with me a few years later for what
you can consider like a high level CE five experience,

(45:16):
where that experience I did not initiate that as far
as I know, right, if people want to get into
some kind of deeper like soul contract thing, I have
no idea, right, I didn't in my conscious awareness, I
didn't intend for those experiences to happen, but they did.
But later on and getting into CE five, I got
into experiences where I did facilitate the experience, and on

(45:44):
a few occasions they were like really like tremendous experiences.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
So it sounds like, yeah, if your family members participated,
it sounds like I'm assuming here that this event had
some effect on them as well.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Well. So the funny thing is the the like one
of the pretty tremendous experiences that happened during CE five,
which like generally speaking with CE five, it's I I
found that they're not as as kind of in your
face as people having a spontaneous experience right when non

(46:23):
human intelligence or the phenomenon decides to just do what
it does and interact with individuals per se. But that's
not to say that like a C five experience can't
be completely incredible. But during during that C five experience,
it was me and somebody else and it was just

(46:44):
the two of us doing the C five and it
was actually their first CE five and they I because
they had no like prior training. I was telling them like, listen,
don't get your hopes up. I don't know, you know how.
You know, in my mind, I'm thinking they're not that experienced,
but uh, you know, so I didn't want them to

(47:05):
have high expectations. So I said, you know, we'll do
this whenever. And the way the the other family members
were kind of there as witnesses. Again they were not
participating in the CE five, but again they were here
for another experience regardless.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Okay, and so what do they think? What's their views
on the phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
They they don't again, they don't like research or look
into it, but they know it's real. They completely support
what I do because they were there for those experiences
and they understand why I'm so driven to do everything
I do, and like to them, it's they don't think
much about like they're not on a daily basis thinking

(47:52):
about UFOs as far as I know, but they know
it's absolutely real. There's no question to them. And the
the that C five experience though the you know, we
were doing the C five all around like nine pm
at night, and we did about a twenty minute CE
five meditation and process, and again I didn't have high expectations.

(48:14):
But when me and this family member we got out
of the room, it was dark in the house because
my other two family members were watching a movie. And
as soon as I stepped out of the room, they said, hey,
somebody's taking pictures outside, like in the house or something.
So I said, what do you mean. They said, there's flashing.
And right after they said there's flashing, I saw the

(48:36):
flash come in the house. It looked like lightning. So
I'm like not sure, I'm not at that. When I
saw the flash, I'm like it, like is that lightning?
Because it again the light came in and like it
lit up the whole room for just for a flash.
Of a second like lightning would, and so I'm like, okay,

(48:57):
I want to see what's going on. So I ran out,
you know, go to run outside, and I see another
flash and uh, I actually had my laser point already
because this was a CE five. I was gonna signal, right,
And I don't advise people use lasers. I know I
was using it, but again, lasers are not a joke.
They're a safety issue. They're not a toy. I just

(49:19):
want to put that in there as a disclaimer, but
I did. I going outside, and the one person who
was doing the CE five process with me followed me,
and we go outside and there was these two craft
or it looked like craft like they like light orbs whatever.
They weren't like physical craft like the other ones I saw.
But there were two crafts in the sky as I'm

(49:39):
trying to get to sound like in here, and they
were moving like this, and I flashed the laser, the
green laser, in the center of them, and then they
one flashed and then the other flashed. So I'm like,
you know, it was like holy crap, right, like, okay,
that that seems like something's going on here, right, Like
it seemed like it was in response to our CE five,

(50:00):
like two random satellites, right and from that point, like
there there was a whole like cascade of UFOs, if
you want to call it that. Right, Like, the sky
was alive with UAPs of all different colors, different they're
doing different things. People call these things like a flashbulb,

(50:25):
so they'll be like a flash of light in a
single spot, and you know whether it's a single or
double flash or flashes here and then flashes there. There
were lights in the sky like a purple one here,
a red one here, a green one here, what people
call streakers, which it looks like a meteor comet, but

(50:45):
it's zigzagging in the sky. And you know what people
call power ups, right like it looks like a satellite
that's lighting up. And everywhere you looked in the sky
there was something different going on. And again this was
another event that went on for maybe twenty five minutes.
Right from the start, this is going on and again

(51:07):
I went into my house and I got my family members.
I said, you guys got to come out here. And
at this point they knew I was doing CE five
and stuff, so I said, you know, I just did
a CE five and there's some stuff out heres, and
they came out and they were seeing all this and this,
this again, this, I for whatever reason, during this event,

(51:28):
I did have another like Kundalini type effect and just
in the yard I saw yellow orbs and almost in
like the structure of a pyramid, if that makes sense,
and like they were in the yard because this was

(51:50):
in my backyard. So you know, this was another incredible event,
mostly because it was a CE five and I was
not expecting this kind of response. Number one, because the
person that was doing it with me was like a beginner.
This was their first CE five, and also because it
was so in your face and all the things that

(52:12):
were happening in the sky. Again, this is going on
for twenty five minutes, and everywhere you looked, there was
something going on. And this is another event where I thought,
like somebody else has to be seeing this because it's
so incredible. And if I were to count the UFOs
that were there for that twenty five minute period of
all this going on, it would have been hundreds of UFOs.

(52:33):
And you know, I jokingly called it like an intergalactic initiation.
And you know, the only reason it stopped as far
as I know is because I left because I wanted
to go get my friend because he was supposed to
be joining us for the CE five. So I'm like,
i gotta go get my friend Dave, because he's the
one who does CE five with me on like on
a daily basis at that point, so I wanted him

(52:55):
to see this. And even as I'm leaving, I'm seeing
like streaks, like as I'm leaving my driveway, and you know,
even when my family members said, oh, when you left,
they followed you. But after I left my house in
my backyard, the apparently the event ended. I don't know
because I was driving and after I was driving down

(53:19):
the road, I didn't see anything else. I'm paying attention
to the road, not the sky. But apparently when I left,
the interaction ended and that was it. And when I
brought my friend back, nothing happened. So I was I
was a little like I kicked myself because I wonder
what happened if I would have just stayed there and

(53:39):
never left, right, because it was a pretty incredible event,
And then again there was this there was another like
energetic Kundalini quality to this experience as well.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
And I'm sure there'll be many questions in the comments,
is you know, if this event's going on for twenty minutes.
The normal question I see all the time is you know,
where's the proof? Where's the evidence? You know, they ask
why don't we see all the videos? And I've looked
in many videos, and you know, people send me videos
all the time and it's either a satellite or they

(54:15):
won't see it when they actually are taking a picture
and what turns out to be some sort of lens Claire,
that's just an artifact when they took the camera. So
can you talk about or explain why we don't see
all the videos like this encounter online?

Speaker 1 (54:31):
I mean, for me, when I was, when I was
in this kind of experience that I was totally there,
like totally, I didn't I wasn't stopping and you know,
other than when I left, which was a dumb thing
to do, I think now that I think back on it,
you know, I was immersed in the experience, right, I

(54:51):
didn't even want to stop for anything. I was just
trying to absorb what was going on. The videos that
are out right there, there's plenty of misidentification videos. There
are there are some good videos, right I put together
a video on my channel called Examples of CE five footage,

(55:12):
and it shows pretty good UFO footage from Mission RAMA,
which was like a c SETI type group, or you
know c SETI being the Center for the Study of
Extraterrestrial Intelligence, which was Stephen Greer's CE five group, but

(55:32):
thirty years twenty years before that was Mission RAMA in
South America in Lima, Peru six to pas Wells was
like the Stephen Greer of Peru and he's doing contact
modalities to interact with the UFOs and the mainstream media.
He got a local media to come and visit one

(55:53):
of these events and he actually got decent footage of
Again it's in the late seventies or early eighties. I
think of this footage when this footage was taken, and
you know, again there were not drones out in the
public then and these these the way these objects were
moving like that was either advanced drone tech in the

(56:13):
late seventies doing what it's doing, or it's a UFO,
and you know, either would be interesting. But so there's
some good footage, but you have to know what to
look for, right and people might not like this answer,
but if you want to know what to look for.
That a tip did a good job at categorizing the
five or actually the six observables. So again, a genuine

(56:38):
UFO video probably going to have that distortion right from
the get go, and people are not gonna like that.
But it seems like the technology creates a distortion in
space time, right, so that that would actually be a
telltell for me of the video. Is like of a
genuine UFO, there's some energetic quality going around the physical object, right,
Like if I see a black triangle and it doesn't

(57:00):
have some kind of bubble or field around it, it's
probably man made tech, right, something reverse engineered or or
you know, classified technology that's not reverse engineered, but just
classified tech. And the number one tale sign of something
like that is also that in the video somehow you

(57:23):
can tell that the object is interacting with the individual recording, right.
So those there are such videos, right, And again it's
years ago now and the technology was not great. But
Dorothysat or dorothy is At, I think, is an extraordinary

(57:43):
case of somebody who was having these kind of interactions regularly,
and she recorded a lot of it in pictures and videos,
and I absolutely do not think that she faked the video, right,
And there's really interesting video footage there. Right, there's other

(58:04):
video footage out there that again, nobody's ever debunked the
Turkish UFO case. That's an extremely odd one. But there
are a ton of like probably ninety to ninety five
percent of the videos out there are misidentifications. And even
people who go out to do contact work and see five.

(58:26):
When you first go out there, you know, everything's a UFO, right,
And I understand, like you're excited whatever, and it's usually
brought on by a genuine UFO experience. But most people
are just not familiar with how much is going on
in our skies, especially nowadays, right, compared to decades ago,
we have like starlink and satellites and drones. Now it's

(58:52):
it's probably become way harder to discern. Right. You can
use applications, but there's there's always going to be room
for misidentification.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Another question I get, and I thought while you were
telling your experience is if the NHI wants us to
know about them, you know, why why is it so
difficult to find any sort of evidence for them? You know,
couldn't they just come on our TV or you know,
show up on the White House lawn, et cetera. Why

(59:23):
don't why don't we have more overt shows of them?

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Yeah, that's a great question. And again I I I
always leave a room for error and translation in the
message I received, and I put message in quotes because
again I I'm open to it being a misinterpretation or
even I you know, I don't think. Again, my experience

(59:53):
seemed positive in many ways, but I don't if there
was a non human intelligence, they can make or they
can make me see or feel whatever they want me
to write. As as Jim semi Van, I'm sure would
uh would point in that direction with his his background
and his experience was not as pleasant. But I don't

(01:00:15):
know the answer to that, and it might. My own
impression is that they're they're not going to force their
reality on us, that we have to be open and
willing to to their presence. Right they've they've done or
you know, seemingly there's been different UFO events that were

(01:00:38):
more public. I mean, if you consider the Fatoma incident
right in Portugal where thousands of people saw UFO, this
tremendous UFO and you know the Phoenix lights or you
know the Hudson Value UFO wave even right here where
for almost a decade, you know, people hundreds of people

(01:00:58):
were pulled over on the Taconic State Parkway to see
this huge boomerange craft. You know, I don't know if
that was non human intelligence or some kind of I mean,
I don't know why you would showcase some kind of
classified technology like that and just you know, put it
out in the media. But if that was a genuine event,

(01:01:20):
right there, there's been you know, the Stevensville event in
two thousand and eight, right there's there's been major UFO
events where there's been mass sightings, and you know, to
the extent, I can only speculate that non human intelligence
wants us to be aware without forcing their presence on us, right.

(01:01:41):
I mean, some people will say that doesn't make sense
or or scrutinize it, and it makes sense to me.
And it does seem like that non human intelligence does
interact with with people, right selectively or you know, for
whatever reason. But there are such events and even again

(01:02:03):
it's it's not just ideological, because some of these events
have physical effects, right, so that we know that it's
going on. So I don't truly know, I can only speculate,
and I'd say they don't want to force their presence
on us, But I mean that that's an easy excuse
for for trying to make the you know that idea resonate.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
And so you've been an experiencer for you know, multiple
decades and investigating it, really looking into it, talking to
these people running a podcast, what what what do you
think of Jake Barber's account on what came out? And
why do you think if true, why would the government
keep its secret at such high costs?

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
I mean, Jake Barber's account is extraordinary in a number
of ways. You know. Not only is he an experiencer,
right and had this this consciousness interface, which to me
is something that's a telltale sign of a genuine non
human intelligence experience rather than just being exposed to classify technology.

(01:03:14):
But he was part of a retrieval team, right, which
is you know, doubly extraordinary. And you know what's actually
really weird or interesting is there was allegedly a story
leaked into the UFO community in the late nineties about
a crash retrieval program called Zodiac. And in this you

(01:03:40):
know UFO story, it's probably partially true, probably part I
don't want to say disinformation, but other information put in
there to not fully expose the program, you know, allegedly
that you know, they said the CIA took over the
crash retrieval portfolio in the seventies. And what was interesting

(01:04:04):
about that story is that the retrieval team there was
a there's a crash retrieval team, and the retrieval team
in this story all had consciousness interface and experience with
non human intelligence. You know, again, it's just a story
and you have to take it with a grain of salt.
But allegedly it was it was leaked through a valid

(01:04:27):
source defense contractors, through this corporate lawyer. And you know,
if you look in the the Davis Wilson notes and
then the alien autopsy information that came out the alien
autopsy email chain through the Edgar the Edgar Mitchell files,

(01:04:50):
like there's preferal information in there about it, where like
how put off and was the one talking about this
this h story that came out, But there was a
consciousness interface with the crash retrieval team. So that always
was interesting to me, especially when when Jake Barber came

(01:05:10):
out and he's telling his story. I think that the
whole idea of the consciousness interface is compelling. You know,
the experience that that Jake Barber had, I mean if
you look at him when he's telling the story story
that it clearly affected this man, right, It had a

(01:05:32):
powerful effect. It brought him to tears. Right, Uh, he
felt a connection with this non human intelligence or even
the craft, right, which could be conscious itself. So that
you know, why would they cover that up? I mean,
number one, the crash retrieval thing, right is one aspect.

(01:05:53):
The other is this consciousness interface aspect that that wholenciousness interface,
and UFOs has been there from the very beginning, right
even in like the nineteen fifties memos where they're talking
about anomaloust mental phenomena. Is you know, clearly the at

(01:06:13):
least the US government knew about that very early on.
And you know, if you get into the Phil Corso story,
you know Phil Courso was talking about how the being
itself seemed to be part of the craft or part
of the technology, where the being's consciousness seemed maybe somehow
to interface with the craft. So there's like threads and

(01:06:38):
breadcrumbs that have been there for decades. As far as
Jake Barber himself. It seems to be that he was
where he said he was, at least and doing the
job he said he was, So that seems very credible.
The whole thing about the psionics, I'm glad that came

(01:07:01):
out in a more public way. Probably in some way
people feel that that took away from the story of
the actual crash retrieval. But I'm glad that he told
the story as he knew it. And I'm glad that
that aspect is being looked into in a more serious
way with psionics, the cognitive human interface, because I think

(01:07:24):
that's with that part of the phenomenon, you're getting closer
to the to the root of the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
And did you have any experiences after your you know,
initial the siding with the craft, with the multiple craft,
did you have any direct, in your face type experiences again.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
So that the other experience I told you, which was
a C five was was pretty was pretty in your
face and direct, although the none of the craft seemed
like metal, right, I had orbs within a few feetom
and this whole again electrical thing through my body. So

(01:08:06):
that was very direct. And that was in twenty ten
or twenty eleven, And you know at that part it's
hard to differentiate because in two thousand and eight, two
thousand and nine, I started CE five. So at what
point does it become that you initiated it or now

(01:08:29):
the non human intelligence is engaging with you intermittently, right,
Because there's been plenty of times I had interactions after that,
but all of those ones that were really in your face,
like the one with the metal objects and stuff like that.

(01:08:51):
The one in two ten, twenty eleven again was really
kind of in your face in a different way. It
was overwhelming. It was a different kind of experience for sure,
just because the it didn't have the exact telepathic download quality,
although there was a similar one, but it definitely not
as direct. But since then I have not had one

(01:09:16):
that is as in your face as those other ones.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
And when you were in the house and you had
the telepathic communication, were you in the same kind of
lack of sleep condition or were you well rested?

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
It was the day after I got to the hospital. Okay,
yeah I was. I was rested, but it was it.
It was within the same week. So unless you're getting
like like several days of of like a lot of sleep,
you're probably not recovering from the sleep deprivation on the

(01:09:50):
daylight sighting to the to the accident was about two
months the accident to the the telepathic download and the
metal craft and all that, which was like a dark right,
that was the day after.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Okay, I see. So just for the timeline, So you
saw the fireball, and then two months later you had
the accident, You go to the hospital, and the next
day you get you get out, or the day after
you get out of the hospital you have the telepathic encounter.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Yeah. Well I got out of the hospital the next
day and then later the night I had that experience.
And again I think there was something to the trauma
induced out of body experience that simulated like an ND had.
It must have had something to do with all that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
Oh okay, okay, I see. So they were right next
to each other or within a relative timeframe within a day, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
And so now you've been looking at the subject for
many years now, over almost twenty years since that encounter.
What do you tell people is the best evidence? You know,
when you meet someone who's incredulous, which I'm sure you've
come across a few of those over the years, you
know what do you what do you tell them is

(01:11:14):
the best evidence that that's out there? And then what
could they maybe do to find their own experience or
to prove it to themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
I mean again, and you have you have to meet
people where they are. So if it's somebody that's that's
not like really deep into it, I'll say, look at
the literature that's out there, right, Like look at Richard
Dolan's UFOs and the National Security State books. Those are
fantastic accounts of Like if you want to make a
good case for the reality of UFOs, just as a

(01:11:45):
basic like first layer, right, if somebody has kind of
a basic level of well, yeah, there might be something
to UFOs, you can look at like the whistleblower testimony, right,
which is not just within the past few years, right,
for decades there's been people coming that have been going

(01:12:08):
on the record about this, right, and some are more
questionable than others, and maybe some are intentionally put that
out there by the intelligence community to muck things up, right, Like,
there that does exist, but you know, to the extent
that an individual is actually going to go out and
do a CE five is probably like a much lesser

(01:12:32):
percentage of just trying to make a good case for
the reality of UFO. So it's like, to what level
are you trying to You know, I would never try
to persuade anybody to do contact work that wasn't willing
or that didn't have their own inclination to do so,
because again, you can have a completely positive contact experience

(01:12:52):
and it can still be disruptive to your life even
if it's completely positive. Right, Like you could just be like, oh,
I'm going to do a CE five and then you
have an encounter and depending on what level, like there's
no doubt in your mind that UFOs exist, and maybe
even you thought you received some kind of message from

(01:13:13):
the UFO and now you're going to quit your job
and leave your family and go to India and study
in an ashram and do meditation and discover all the
secrets of the universe, right or who knows, right? Or
you might just want to do UFOs full time when
you have a perfectly great career. You know, I wouldn't
advise that particularly, right, I still work my regular job
and do this. But you know, to to the extent

(01:13:37):
the individual is seeking, right, there's there's different levels of
evidence all the way from a firsthand UFO experience from
a contact modality or just doing basic research or seeing
the information that you know, the basic literature or material

(01:13:58):
as out there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Nowadays, Uh, somebody can go to Chris Leto's YouTube channel
and watch some interviews and get a good idea of like, Okay,
it sounds like there's a there's a fundamental reality, like
there's there's there's something going on right, whether it's government
programs or non human intelligence and anomalous craft in the sky.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
You know, but somebody might want to go deeper than
that and do the research that Okay, well, people have
UFO encounters, but then there's all this psychic phenomenon in
UFO experiences and what almost could be categorized as religious
or spiritual experiences and paradigm shift right where somebody's consciousness

(01:14:43):
is completely transformed, you know, in a way that you know,
Jacques Vallet in The Invisible College talks about this doctor
X who is a medical doctor who's again just a
kind of like regular medical doctor and has an entire
spiritual transformation after having these UFOE encounters. So you know,
to the extent that you want to make the case

(01:15:04):
for basic evidence of the UFO reality all the way
to that. If somebody wants to have their own experience
is a big question is you know, where's that person
coming from, and how far are they willing to go
and basically how much they want to erect their lives?

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Yeah, I guess how bad is your life? Your life situation?
I do recommend if people are not happy to do
something different, to make a change, to do something different.
You know, life, I think doesn't need to be this
painful experience. If it is for you, I would change something.
You know, if it's like, what's the definition of stupid

(01:15:44):
is doing the same thing over and over again expecting
a different result, you know, So I would recommend changing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Yeah, yeah, and again I mean UFOs it can be
super interesting. It could be compelling. Yeah, so could meditation
and that kind of thing. You know, but there there
is there is also you know we talked about like, oh,
if you're gonna do UFOs full time, it could drive
you a little crazy, just because there's intentional disinformation that's
seeded within within the subject itself. Right, So you could

(01:16:17):
you could drive yourself a little crazy if you're just
doing nothing but UFO research, because you know, some disinformation
is is just there to provide a steady stream of confusion.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
And I've been practicing meditation I guess now for three years,
and I've noted benefits definitely. You mentioned, you know, feeling
more clear, uh, less tension, less stress, et cetera. Do
you think for people that do want to attempt some

(01:16:52):
sort of contact, do you think meditation is the right avenue?

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
I do so. So the way I would talk about
that is you don't have to be an adept in
meditation to do contact modalities, but it's certainly helpful in
a lot of ways. You know. Number one, it helps
you get into the state of consciousness or awareness that
I think is productive to actually having successful contact or

(01:17:22):
with contact modalities, but also to have a level of discernment.
Right say, if you are getting impressions of whatever kind,
if you haven't been practicing meditation a lot, you might
have more questions of it. Where did this thought come from?
Is it my own thought? Kind of thing, like, what

(01:17:44):
is this impression? And what do I do with it?
Meditation is going to help you be more discerning and
less reactive, you know. So there's a number of reasons
why I would recommend meditation if you were interested in
something like contact modalities or C five. But in a
general sense, I'd recommend meditation to anyone in a general

(01:18:06):
sense anyways, Right, it's like an exercise for your mind.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Yeah, I would as well. And you don't need that
much for me. At ten minutes. If you can do
it consistently, I think is enough. And I've heard even
less works. I think it's more. Consistency is the issue.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Consistency is absolutely the key. And you know whether you're
doing ten minutes to day or twenty minutes a day,
there's all different levels. I mean, you can do meditation
for stress reduction. You could do meditation for like really
high levels of concentration if you're doing Johnic practices right,

(01:18:51):
or SOMEBODI type experiences. So there's and there's different meditation
practices which will heighten your senses in different aspects depending
on like what path of development you're going on with
meditation for like an open awareness or a more deep
concentrative type as well.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
And so you've dealt with experiencers at least I know
you've investigated it through your channel. I'm sure you've talked
of many experiences on your own podcast. What do you
consider of the negative experiences? You know, I'll get a
lot of comments from experiencers who are really seems like
suffering from from the encounters that they're dealing with, or

(01:19:39):
at least they firmly believe that they're dealing with. You know,
do you think disclosure could possibly help that? Is there
any motivations for why you're doing this to try and
present information to help disclosure or is it to maybe
help these experiencers? I guess what's your thoughts on that?

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Yeah, I do think that transparency is important, that being
one of the reasons, right. I mean I spoke to
Jim Semivan about this as well. It's like, you know,
you know, who were you not Jim, but like whoever's
gatekeeping or high you know, withholding this information, you know,
to have the world look at these people like they

(01:20:21):
don't know what they're talking about, just because you don't
want to disclose information like these. If anybody were to
have a right to disclosure, I mean I think everybody does,
but for experiences especially right, it's like, you know, you're
denying their experiences to them, and often experiencers will struggle

(01:20:43):
with their own size, you know, psychology thinking like they
have to question it. They know what happened, but there's
still a part of them that has to question the
consensus reality of the government saying this never happened, which
is which is insane, right that they would have to
even feel like that. I don't want to I don't

(01:21:06):
want to make the associations to all these other things.
But that's like telling somebody like racism doesn't exist or
rape doesn't exist, and you have people who have experienced
that and deeply affected them and you're telling them it
doesn't exist. That's that's absolute absurdness, you know. So I
think transparency is important, you know, definitely so these people

(01:21:29):
because you know, once there is like some kind of disclosure,
now you have to take all these accounts seriously. But
also you can provide resources for these people, right, Like
who do these people talk to? Right? And And in
a way, I guess it would be validating for people
who have had such experiences because it's almost like they've

(01:21:52):
had their reality denied, right in a consensus way. And
now you have people who have an experience, they can't
just go out and talk about it. I mean, some
of them are brave enough to write, but like you
don't want to necessarily talk about the stuff at work
and whatever, so you're you have you have a compartmentalized

(01:22:13):
aspect of your reality that you're you're holding within you,
and that that could be like psychologically damaging. Right, So
to me, it's absurd that that that reality is denied
to experiences, especially right. But at the same time, without transparency,
it's like we're living in like on flat earth, Like

(01:22:36):
you're literally hiding an aspect of reality that's fundamental to
our existence from your worthholding that from the people. I
think that's that it's it's detrimental in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
So you're a proponent of disclosure because you think in
the end it's detrimental to humanity and our system in general.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
I mean, just you know, there's a lot of ways
you can explore that conversation, even if you're just looking
from like a functional government way. Like it's obvious to
anybody watching the ship show going on with Congress and
the whole thing now that this thing has been a
cancer withinside the United States government and probably other governments
that's eroded any type of what we consider democracy, right

(01:23:22):
and oversight and normal functioning government. The whole you know
that that's a whole conversation with them itself. At the
same time, like we need UFO disclosure and transparency. But
at the same time, even if there was such a thing,
like we have to really consider that we're going to

(01:23:44):
be receiving this disclosure from the same people who withheld
it this whole time. So even if there is like
a kind of disclosure, everybody, you know, nobody's guards should
be let down, right, people still have to be have
a sense of caution to whatever information is being disclosed,

(01:24:07):
because you know, I'm skeptical to the level of disclosure
that we're going to receive and what the intention is
behind it, right, Like, are we going to receive disclosure
because it's the right thing to do, or we're going
to disclosure because get disclosure because there's some kind of
alternative ulterior motives. And I'm sure there's there's a mix

(01:24:31):
of all of those things, because I'm sure that there
are people in in you know, within those groups that
want disclosure for the right reasons. But I'm also sure
that there's others that will only utilize disclosure for whether
it's defense contracts or whatever their agenda.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Is without a doubt and I receive a lot of
comments from after the Jim semi Van We mentioned him
a couple of times after that interview. Is people, you know,
sincerely distrust anyone who had worked in the government before
they When Louel Zondo came out, you get so many

(01:25:08):
haters against Louil Zondo because he's counterintelligence, which he was.
You could Jake Barber, so many people came out against
him because you know, he says he was actually red teaming.
Was he went to collect information at Stephen Greer's disclosure
event in twenty twenty three, and that's how he saw
my Carrera. But my Carera's testimony changed his mind. You

(01:25:31):
had Jim semi Van right, he was in the CIA
for thirty four years. I get those comments a lot.
You know, was a spook, always a spook. So you
really highlighted this this tension between If the government is
hiding these programs, the crash, the tribal programs, it certainly
appears that way, then the only people that are going

(01:25:52):
to really give us that information as whistleblowers will be
people that were in the program. Right, So how do
we how can we get in each trustible information or
information that we can consider credible if it's from the
same people that are coming from this organization that has
been withholding the information for so many decades. I don't know,

(01:26:12):
do you think we can trust any of these guys.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
I think that they're like just that phase value. They're
people just like us. Right, there's people within the government
that are experiencers, so the first things versus their people, right, Like,
I would never aim to dehumanize anybody. You know, there's
to the extent that you understand their function and their role.

(01:26:40):
That's something that you have to keep in mind. You
have to evaluate whatever information comes forward, and and I mean,
what else can you do, right, Like, I don't think
Phil Corso was some kind of syop So there's going
to be different people with different intentions, and you just
have to try to judge, evaluate and validate whatever you

(01:27:03):
can of whatever information becomes out and is available. I
think that, like good information stands the test of time.
Of course, you know, we can only have patience with that,
so you know, ultimately, I've heard people say that disclosure
has to come from the people, and you know, to

(01:27:25):
the extent that can happen, great, I don't know to
what extent that can happen ultimately, And you know, my
friend Ryan Robbins will often point this out is you know,
people call him, you know he's at UFO Jesus post
disclosure world. You know, the phenomenon could end disclosure tomorrow, right, Like, ultimately,

(01:27:47):
the phenomenon is running the show. As far as disclosure. Obviously,
our government, United States government or other governments could disclose.
And even even let's say whistleblowers or insiders, they only
have compartmentalized information that they were exposed to, so they

(01:28:08):
don't even have the full truth. Number one. Number two
is certain whistle blowers or any whistle blower could be
given certain information, particularly because they might come out with
it right. So you could have somebody who's in intelligence
who's completely they're they're completely well meaning and they are

(01:28:32):
trying to put forward information, but they've been given information
that was given to them so because so they would
put it out right. So yeah, this is it's it's
a it's a growing, it's evolving process, and it's it's
hard to imagine that it's gonna happen anytime within the
like if something were to be disclosed, like within the
next year or some kind of thing like that, you

(01:28:55):
have to remain skeptical. But you also, I mean, I
don't think you should dehumanize any of these individuals, right.
I think some of them definitely do want some level
of disclosure. But again, we can never know somebody's intentions,
so you just have to evaluate the information for what

(01:29:17):
it is and see if it checks out.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
Yeah, and I say that as Devil's advocate. You know,
I'm a huge, very appreciative of all those people. I mentioned,
all the whistleblowers coming out, and like you said, I
think you're probably correct. And I've been shown in the
past to be true that we've had disinformation campaigns, that
there has been syops, but I would argue that they're

(01:29:42):
on little small cases. You know, you have like Richard Dody,
where you have small operations. I think the preponderance of
whistleblowers is going to be in the end, I hope
some sort of like tidal wave effect, whereas you can't
disinformation to symformize everything. Right, that made up that verb

(01:30:04):
at some point, Yeah, like you said that it will
endure the test at time, and I think like we're
finding now, we're finding serial killers, you know, from fifty
sixty years ago. Now they track them down because you know,
somebody's their cousin went and got a DNA test, and
so there's technology that they didn't know about at that time.

(01:30:24):
Right they're clearing their fingerprints. They know how to clear
the you know, to wipe the information clean based on
the technology known at that time. But as we move forward, Oh,
we learned about DNA and it turns out, oh, actually
your DNA can be tested at a certain level, you know,
way way more accurate than your than your fingerprints, and

(01:30:44):
it can link through your genetics. So I personally think
with with AI, as we get more information, I think
AI is going to be a great equalizer and anything
going on now. I mean, just imagine all the cameras,
everything out there. There's going to be new technology that
we don't know about yet. So in the future, I

(01:31:04):
think all of this is going to come out. It'll
just be how long do we have to wait? You know,
is it going to have to be another seventy years?
Is it going to be seven? I keep hearing twenty
twenty seven. That's going to be like this magical year
or something. Some crazy events going to happen in twenty
twenty seven. So I don't know. I hope something happens,
but personally, I think it has to do with more

(01:31:27):
than we can currently perceive, you know, I get a
it seems like there's two camps on my channel. Is
there's like the nuts and bolts camp, and then there's
the people that will accept more WU, you know, and
the nuts and bolts people don't like the consciousness discussions,
I think, or you know, it gets too wo it's
too subjective. There's not the hard evidence that they're looking for.

(01:31:51):
But it seems like everything's pointing to a deeper reality
than we can just measure with nuts and bolts.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
Yeah, I mean, And the funny part about that is
like I almost think that there's more evidence for psychic
research if you look at like Dean Rating's work and
many others Ryan and that there is for for the
nuts in both UFOs and crash retrievals, right, And not
to say that there's no evidence, but there's a tremendous
amount of research being done on parapsychology or psychic phenomenon

(01:32:22):
and I really hope something comes out with this the
telepathy tapes that speaks more to that. You know in
some recent interviews I did, I interviewed this woman and
you know she was doing the scene without eyes thing,
and I know people are going to be extremely skeptical
about that, and I understand it, right, But you know

(01:32:45):
the work that that doctor Diane Hennessy Powell is doing
with like the telepathy tapes and studying that phenomena, that
that stuff might be come out first before disclosure, then
what right? And really in a vast majority of close encountercases,

(01:33:07):
people have this consciousness connection, and I mean some of
it it might be facilitated through technology, right, like with
non human intelligence technology rather than just straight up mental
telepathy using just the mind or consciousness. So I think

(01:33:28):
there's different levels and layers to that. I mean, even
with today's technology. If you look at slide nine, right,
the A tip briefing slide, it talks about cognitive human interface,
which when I interviewed Louell Zondo, he said, that's basically
like your CE five, right, But on that slide they're

(01:33:49):
also talking about psychotronics and technology or even mental influence
over world leaders. Right. It's talking about in a specific way,
but in the fine writing and the fine print it
says that DoD already has these capabilities and they've been
experimenting with it. So you have the technological psychotronic way

(01:34:14):
where in ten years we're gonna you might be able
to just beam technology. You might just be able to
beam your thoughts to somebody through neuralink. Right. Elon Musk
created the like a patent called telepathy or something like that,
but also the very like human innate quality of telepathy

(01:34:35):
or precognition or you know, these different things that people
experience during near death experiences. I think that, you know,
both are fascinating, and I think that the consciousness nature
reality aspect is is kind of like the big takeaway
from UFOs, right, because the idea that that there's UFOs,

(01:34:59):
like there's metalcraft and there's aliens from some other planet
or star system. It's fascinating, right, But we almost take
that kind of idea from granted, you know, via sci
fi right, like would not be shocking to anybody, but
that there's this idea that there's like these other dimensions
and that time is not what you think it is

(01:35:20):
and everybody is intimately connected on the consciousness level is
a much deeper paradigm shift, I think, and even for
me when I had the daylight UFO siding thing, right, Like,
seeing the UFO and broad daylight was like was I

(01:35:40):
guess like shocking and really cool and all that. But
the part of that experience that blow me away was
not seeing a UFO and broad daylight and maybe there's
some entities there or not. What blew me away was
the chain of events that occurred for deciding to happen, right, like,
what does that even mean? How were these people telling
me these things? And then I had this crazy dream

(01:36:02):
and then I saw the UFO, right like, what the
hell was all that about? So I think that that
aspect of the consciousness says way more, is much more
profound than just like, oh, there's other intelligence in the
world and in the universe.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
Yeah, I'm just finishing it edit on a video that'll
come out before this one. So if you are interested
in evidence for telepathy, then check out my last video.
But it basically what I found is the Gunsfeld experiments,
which is where one person imagines to try and pass

(01:36:42):
information to another person and they'll put the other person
in fara day cage, et cetera. So no actual electromagnetic
interactions should be passed along. But these have been done
for many years and you have many different studies. There's
meta studies on it. But basically there is higher statistical
evidence up to five point four to eight sigma for
these telepathy experiments than there is for the Higgs boson,

(01:37:04):
which was sigma five point zero. Also interesting is they
call all these telepathy experiments pseudoscience, right, and they say
that there's they came up with the actual statistical analysis
was flawed because they combined statistics from multiple studies. Well,
it turns out that the Higgs boson did exactly the

(01:37:25):
same thing, right to reach five sigma. They actually combined
CMS and ATLAS, so two different experiments that didn't have
five sigma right, they had a three point two and
I think at two point six something like that, but
they combined these other two experiments together to create that
five sigma proof, which five sigma standard deviations is basically

(01:37:46):
statistical proof and physics that it's real. So that proved
the higg Boson to five used the same exact statistical
analysis techniques for telepathy, you get a higher sigma five
point four to eight, and yet that's pseudoscience, and higgs
boson they get Nobel prizes and fifty billion dollars total investment,

(01:38:09):
and you mentioned there's all this money being devoted to
SI experiments, and there absolutely is not. Like I think,
annually it's less than two point three million dollars, which
is essentially pittance if you look, you know, for quantum computers,
I believe there's over two billion dollars a year, and
there's zero practical applications right now for quantum computers. And

(01:38:33):
just like fusion, it's been you know, twenty or twenty
years away. Jensen, CEO of Nvidia, just recently said, you know,
we're you know, fifteen years is probably too soon for
quantum computers, and thirty years is probably too late. So
just like fusion, which has been the same thing for
seventy years, it's always twenty years away. And so we're

(01:38:53):
kind of the same cycle epicycle, if you will, for
UFO research, as we are for telepathy research, where it's
just called pseudoscience by the mainstream. And meanwhile, they'll promote
science to a lower statistical level and give Nobel prizes
to each other and congratulate each other and give each

(01:39:15):
other billions of dollars when they have received zero technical applications.
So I think you bring up a great point, and
that's really why I've been really interested, or one of
the reasons in these the telepathy tapes as well as
telepathy in general. I know Rupert Sheldric, He's done a
bunch of work on this as well, and again everyone
calls it pseudoscience. He gets zero funding, he's ostracized. So

(01:39:40):
I guess I see that as the next big breakthrough
is telepathy with physics. I think that's also been in
the same boat. You can lump mainstream physics. I mentioned
the Higgs boson, I mentioned fusion. It's also those are
just blowing billions of dollars. I mentioned quantum computers, blowing
billion of dollars on these projects that haven't worked for

(01:40:02):
literally decades, multiple decades, thirty years with quantum computers, seventy
years for fusion Higgs bosons, twenty years. We haven't received
any technical applications. And yet all these other things, telepathy,
conscious interactions, near death experiences, we're not going to look

(01:40:23):
into that at all. You know, that has nothing to
do with reality or the human condition, which I think
is just ridiculous. So I see that hopefully changing in
the near future, and so thanks for all your work
and everything you've done looking into this subject. It's very
interesting as well as a final question, you know, what

(01:40:43):
do you see or what are you excited about for
the future of humanity in full? What do you think
it is it means to be a human and what
do you think what would you speculate the future of
humanity looks like?

Speaker 1 (01:40:59):
Complete? Utope? I mean I would hope, right, I mean,
I think that we'll make it, right. I'm generally an
optimistic person. And again I think we're we're you know,
over time, we're going to greatly you know, discover who
we are right this, you know, the UAP question is

(01:41:24):
like this question ultimately, like are we alone in the universe? Right? Ultimately,
That's what it comes down to. And the answer to that,
I think, in my opinion and experience is no, We're
not alone.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
You know Number two, the whole telepathy thing, right, like
the telepathy tapes.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
You know there's doing studies at Stanford and Harvard. I
believe on that and that information is going to come out.
So you have like this you the UFO reality thing, Uh,
this kind of telepathy consciousness thing, and even like the
stuff that I Another thing I found fascinating that I
think is tied in with all of that is our

(01:42:04):
ancient history thing. And I think like, like these things
are all coming out right. Like again, like you said,
there's no way if this is all true, it's you
can't hide it in the in the world that we're
coming into with AI and and the nature of the
Internet and the nature of things coming out like ultimately,
like we have people like you know, Jake barber And

(01:42:24):
and Louel Lazando, Jim Semi, Van Jay Stratton, these people
are coming forward in the right way. You know what
if one day one of some whistleblower from one of
these programs just says, ef it, I'm just gonna throw
everything on the line and bypass every safety measure and
just put everything I know out on a video on

(01:42:45):
the Internet, and just like catastrophic disclosure, right, that could happen.
But again, I think that all these things are coming
out or you know, we're learning more about it what
it means to be human, right, and I hope that
that ultimately, you know, leads to us being kinder to

(01:43:08):
one another. Right, Like in the UFO space, there's a
lot of people jabbing at each other and riff raffing,
and that's human nature and tribalism. And I get that.
But if you if we can't get along amongst each
other and be decent, like what the hell is the reason?
You know, what's the point of disclosure? Anyways? Like you
think we're gonna be able to get along with those

(01:43:29):
entities if we can't even get our own stuff together
and like be nice to one one another. So, I mean,
I think just general decency and kindness towards one another
is like just like basic humanity stuff. I mean, none,
none of this other stuff matters if we can't do that, right, Like,
what's the point of having zero point energy if we're

(01:43:52):
just gonna use it against each other? Right? Like, So
my ultimate takeaway with that is like be a decent
person and you know, but also ultimately, like just like
my experience has showed me like it's a miracle to
be even to even be here, to be alive, you know,
just appreciate that and make the best of it. Because

(01:44:14):
if you're not making the best of it, you're not
gonna have the best time, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
I think make a change. I will say one comment
you know, you hear about this this idea that everything
is one, that we're all connected, and I and I
tend to think if everything is one, then maybe we
are alone. And that's why, that's what this whole reality is.
You know, maybe we're just tired of being alone. Yeah,

(01:44:43):
so we split, you know, you split yourself. But anyway,
that's just a fanciful thinking, if you will.

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
But I dig that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
But thank you so much, James, Thanks for your time.
Please go and check out Engaging the Phenomenon anything else
you want to say you but you have a new
podcast as well.

Speaker 1 (01:45:03):
Yeah, I do have a new podcast for people who
want to go deep on the consciousness end of things
and even into like meditative practices. I'm gonna have meditation
teachers on there of like, how can you actually if
you're interested in consciousness, you know, how can you actually
practically get involved in that space right through a regular
practice or philosophy. And that's called exploring higher realities? And

(01:45:27):
that that's like a new channel I have going right now.
So again that is me exploring the consciousness aspect of
things without necessarily having to tie it to UFOs. A
lot of people are on the Engaging the Phenomenon Channel
and podcasts because it's coming at it from a UFO angle,

(01:45:47):
but it doesn't always have to necessarily be that way.
And again I'm gonna have Leslie Kanan soon to talk
about surviving death, to talk about near death experience, but
unfortunately we're not going to talk about UFOs there. So
you know, not everything has to be UFO centric. I
wanted a space where I can do that and focus
more on whether it's spiritual development or consciousness development.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
Okay, excellent, Well check it out then. Links are all
in the description and have a great yesterday. Thanks James,
thanks for having me

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