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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I live in Portugal and you may have seen we
had a massive power outage on Monday yesterday. And it
wasn't just in Portugal. It was across all of Spain
and parts of France. So it was only a small
part of Spain that didn't get hit, and that is
just unbelievable to me. It was mayhem here. The gas
(00:20):
lines all filled up. Felt like I was back in pandemic,
like pandemic two point zero. And I was considering today
making a video about it, when Professor Simon, another YouTuber,
wrote me and asked if I wanted to chat about it.
He had some inside information he'd been researching it all day.
So I agree to him, and here is the interview.
(00:42):
Please check out Professor Simon's channel as well.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Hey, it's Chris Litero. Chris just got caught up in
an anomally. What happened yesterday, Chris.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, it was actually pretty freaky. I was just working
on my computer in the morning and at eleven thirty
eight my wife comes to tell me, Oh, the power's
gone out. And that happens a lot actually, especially at
my house. We have a breaker right at the street,
and so I went out to the breaker and it
was completely off, which is not normal. And I looked
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down the street and there were two or more people
down the street doing the same thing, and we just,
you know, looked at each other like, hey, that nothing's working, yep.
And so we walked out. We walked to the local
I walked to the local grocery store and they have
a whole host of solar panels on the roof. All
the power was there. I didn't really put two and
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two together that the whole city was down and until
coming back home and I realized it wasn't just the city,
it was the country, and it wasn't just the country,
it was a lot of southern Europe. And that was
just mind blowing to me. I couldn't believe it. Then
it was like living in the apocalypse again. It was
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like pandemic two point zero. There was a run at
the gas station, the gas station ran out of gas,
the traffic built up into the whole city. Schools was
let out, and the scariest thing really is none of
our phones worked, so we had zero communication with any
of our kids, couldn't get any information. None of my
radios actually worked. They're all digital radio, So yeah, we
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my wife had in her Amazon basket, you know, an
analog radio that runs off of batteries, but she didn't
purchase it. So yeah, it was pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Oh yeah, that's really amazing. Yeah. So, just to make
it clear of Chris lives in Portugal, and it wasn't
just portu Girl, as Chris said, it was a whole
of Spain, you know, from Gibraltar to France, including parts
of the French Pyrenees as well, and then it cascaded
over to the wonderful country of Portugal. That's a lot
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of people and a lot of business. And it was
a Monday, and it was you know, late morning, about lunchtime. Yeah,
so let's talk about what what are you hearing actually happened?
You must your TV's back on now, I hope, and
what you what are you hearing in your in the press?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, we actually filled up our baths ub with water.
You know, we filled everything with water because that was
the word here, just from word of mouth essentially, because
nothing was nobody who's communicating digitally is that the power
is going to be out for a while, they said,
and chances are we'll run out of water on Tuesday.
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So we were basically in emergency mode. I got all
my kids to go to the grocery store and we
were carrying canned goods and water back. It was actually
pretty fun. I enjoyed it, to be honest. They talked
to each other more than they have today than the
last several weeks. Like immediately the kids started playing Monopoly.
We played card games at night. It was like we
were camping. So yeah, I thought it was it was.
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It was great. Actually it was a little disappointed when
the power came back on it and night, but also
very relieved, right because you don't know, taking cold showers
would be pretty painful. And then as soon as the
water stops coming out of this tap, I think that's
when when you really panic. But everything I could find
looking this morning is they don't know, right, they don't know.
I heard fifteen gigawatts of power came off of the
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network in Spain, and that was sixty percent of all
of their traffic, and that essentially shut the whole thing down.
So from what I heard, they don't know, and everything's
on the table at this point.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I'm hearing the same. Originally, as soon as it went off,
I went, oh, cyber attack, and then Spain's power distribution
company R. E. N read Electrico said, maybe a strange
weather or meteorological or earth phenomenon. That's great. Oh that
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sounds interesting, I wondered, and it was, what's what like?
I mean, it's a nice spring day. We also live
in southwest France, which not that far from you. It's beautiful.
It was twenty it was calm, there was no great
anomalies going on. It is it the same with you.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
It was a beautiful day. I mean it was.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
It was gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
We'd had rain for so long, several months, just been raining,
and it was finally just a beautiful day. Could have
gone to the beach. It was strange. My dog was
following me around, the little white fluffy dog, Loki, and
he was scared. But I don't know if it was
just the wind, but it was strange. I noted. He
was actually really nervous and walking around. That was kind
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of the only thing out of place besides a little
bit of wind. Otherwise, it was beautiful on a very
nice day, and that made it a lot easier to
deal with. Right if it's raining or if it was
really cold, it would have been a completely different story.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, middle of winter here we forget that. We are
very blessed to have something called the North Atlantic Drift.
I mean we're, you know, at the Gulf Stream. You know,
we're at the same lastic years here in my part
of Frances as Illinois Wassen, you know, but we don't
get that weather. You're you're a lot further south, but still,
you know, you would, you know, it's it's nicely here
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because we have that. So let's talk about what they're saying.
Immediately I thought what could have happened. The report says
that a the frequency of the grid in Spain took
a massive hit of about twelve thirty two, where the
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fifty herts where we both live in Europe frequency either
went up or dipped a massive amount, and the grid
compensated for it, which it needs to do. I mean,
you know us in Europe wont fifty hurts in US
sixty And I mean, for example, I know that a
TV won't work, you know, at sixty herts if you
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live in Europe, so I mean it must be within
the like forty five fifty five range. Anyway, they've got
a massive spike, and you can compensate for that by
switching automatically switching because it's instantaneous the grid how it works.
But then there was another one and the grid protected
itself supposedly and started cascades shut down, which is really
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difficult to restart. You can't just switch it all on again.
There's an awful lot of stuff to switch on. And
originally I was quite intrigued that it might be an
emp natural event and an electromagnetic pulse like a Carrington
event or something. But it wasn't global. It was only
in the Iberian Peninsula, and as Chris just said, the
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weather was fine. With some talk about heat on the
transmission network, it doesn't make sense. So the next the
next obvious thing is a cyber attack. You know, are
you hearing anything? I mean, what's what Spain and portug
Old Girl been doing to upset anybody recently? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, it was interesting because right away they said it's
not a cyber attack, before they really even knew what
it is. Right and now they're saying, okay, we don't know,
we have no real clue what it was, but it
definitely wasn't a cyber attack. So they said that right
out of the gates, and in the news that I
saw is you know, Spain has has endorsed the Ukraine,
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and I know they've they've had a lot of bullets.
They were they were selling bullets to Israel, I believe.
So there are some controversial claims that Spain has supported
war efforts. And this did happen in the past. You
remember there was a train attack, yeah, Spain, and they
end up pulling out of out of Iraq, So you
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know there is precedent for some sort of terrorist activity
in Spain.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, I think great infrastructure is an obvious target. I
mean banks, els, risky, water supply, aviation. You know, they're
all have been in the past, very vulnerable. I've certainly
worked in films, frontline, PBS about that and with people
who know what they're talking about. And at one time,
you know, you could switch off and on your water
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a pumping station with your laptop and that doesn't happened anyway.
It got really hardened that certainly in the US it
was very hardened. So you know, I'm sure Spain and
Europe have a hardened system against cyber attack on that
and there wasn't Although we're living right now in a
time of increased solar activity. There wasn't any giant magnetic storm.
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That wasn't possible. I don't think, although it could be.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
That was the one thing or the first thing I
thought is I shared an on X. I made a
post I believe on the twenty second because once in
a while I follow geophysicist Stefan Burns, and he showed
a huge Coriolis hole, so basically a giant hole in
the Sun at April twenty second, and he has basically
(10:05):
correlated that with giant magnitude earthquakes in the past. So
I said, hey, look out on you can go back
and check my X account saying that basically there could
be large earthquakes coming up. And then in the following
days there was a five zero I believe in Alaska magnitude,
and then there was a six point two magnitude to
the six point two magnitude quake in Istanbul. That's right,
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I remember, And so that was my first thought is
could this be related. It's such a mass area, like
how did how to two and a half nations power
grids go down? You know, however many seventy or eighty
million people lost power. It's just it's just insane. So
that was the first thought I had. But I think
you could correlate that with the geomatic magnetic storms. You know,
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did the satellites actually go out or was the mother
Brooklyn current that we don't know about.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, there would be as a effects that somebody would
mention or maybe keep a secret. No, I agree, Yeah,
I remember seeing that giant coronal hole. The interesting thing
about these, you know, about a mass coronal ejection which
would emanate out of from our Sun from a coronal hole,
is that the Earth and the Sun have to line up,
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and if a massive pulse comes from the Sun, you know,
the Earth's move, the Earth's moving and it has to
hit it cloth and coronal plumes have come out from
the Sun, but the Earth just not in the right place.
So it was you know, the famous so called Carrington
event in nineteenth century is when we got you know,
hit broadside with with that, and it's it's certainly worrying
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how we would survive that type of event if it
occurred again with our modern technology. As you said, you know, oh,
hang on a minute, even the phones and the radio
don't work, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Gas Stephan Burns has actually predicted a couple of the earthquakes.
I remember last in November, I was going to share
on x that, hey, it looks like there could be
a possibility of an earthquake based on the Sun the
Moon system lining up. It usually happens when when there's
high tides or low tides, you know, when when the
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Moon and the Sun system has a lot of tension
in it. But I didn't share it on X. I
was like, no, you know who predicts earthquakes. That's all pseudoscience.
It's controversial. It's sure enough. In a couple of days
there was there was a massive earthquake. So now I
do post it, and I've only I've posted twice. Now.
The first time there was not an earthquake, but then
this second time there was. There was, like I said,
(12:36):
a six point two magnitudequake in Istanbul, which just would
be horrendous if it was any larger than that is,
Tembul is not ready for it. I think hundreds of
thousands of people would perish. Unfortunately, So I don't know it.
It's controversial and they say it's not related, but I
think you know, they also said the Auroras were not related,
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you know, when the Sun and the Earth were not
connected and Berkeley and scientists from Norway. He was saying
that many decades ago, I believe over seventy eighty years
ago he was saying that, and finally it came out true.
But initially they said it was pseudoscience.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Oh no, far from it. Yeah. No, Although humans mess
with our ionosphere and our magnetosphere, the Sun certainly messes
with the Earth far more. You know, the Aurora borealis
is definitely caused by ejections from the Sun and ionizing
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our upper atmosphere. Yeah, no, the correlations absolutely. And then
of course it's funny you're mentioning that because I'm working
on a film about atmospheric nuclear testing and the possibility
that exploding ATM bombs in our atmosphere might attract you ap.
The whole UFO community are full of that right now.
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And of course the correlation to atmosphere nuclear testing. If
you remember, in the Pacific and Hawaii, they called them
rainbow bombs because they made Aurora borealis type Northern Lights
effects by ionizing the atmosphere near the explosion. So that's yeah,
it's just there's more to that that meets the eye.
(14:18):
My film's going to go into how when atmospheric testing
of nuclear bombs was stopped in nineteen sixty two, non
nuclear emp pulse devices needed to be built, and looking
at where they might be built in Suffolk is the
conspiracy to that, And there's pretty good evidence that things
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did go on. So the other as today has developed
about the Iberian power cut, there's another interesting thing which
I don't fully understand, and let's talk about it. They
they now think that the original cascade event originated southwest Spain,
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which has a lot of solar farms, perfect place. But
why I've never really understood is that course a wind
turbine can have an AC motory, it's a you know,
rotating thing. But a solar panel is going to be
d C. How do you put you know, how do
you put d C massive amount of megawats of solar
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into into the grid. I mean, there must be. My
wife's very smart. She knows about these. She's an environmentalist,
so she knows about this. And she said, oh, there's
a giant inverters. Look at the software of the inverter.
I think she's probably nailed there. I mean, it has
to turn DC into a C to feed the grid,
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and you know their their software driven big electronic units
for the solar could be.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
I just couldn't believe it was connected to you know,
one thousand miles away. Yeah, some sort of connection, like
we have the wind turbines here and we have the
solar panels here, you drive by them just a few
miles away. I can't believe that somehow that in the
inverters or Harvard the system works in Spain, not even
(16:16):
in Spain, but you know, hundreds and thousands of miles away,
which shut down our network. Is just unbelievable to me.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah, no, I agree. I think that GRIDG service networks
that really have to look into that. Years and years ago,
I worked on James Brooke film about a power cut
in New York and that was caused by an ice storm,
I think, causing a substation to trip and then it
had a cascade effect until the whole of the East
Coast was switched off.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
And it was.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Interesting because they were filming a series of James Brooke's
connections and they weren't going to do that. That wasn't
the film. They will have a film crew in New
York when the power cut happened, and they brilliantly it
was one of the best episodes, turned into a film
about people living like You've just done through a massive
bar cut. It was in winter, you know, it was
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at nights. You were in New York with a film crew,
so he did pieces of camera walking around in darkness.
It was really interesting. But you're right. The technology behind
a cascade event, I don't know. Supposedly, I'm hearing. This
frequency of a power grade, which needs to maintain within parameters,
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is why it can self protect itself. I think when
it goes outside of a parameter frequency parameter, individual substations
shut down, and then when you've lost a certain percentage
of interconnect and power, the whole thing then must just collapse.
But it needs to be more robust, definitely.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
And it made me think of your favorite scientist Faraday.
I believe, right as any Michael Faraday. Didn't he find
that if you move a magnet through a magnetic field,
it will create a charge or I guess.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Any, Yeah that's Michael. Yeah, I know. He was a
He was a dyslexic kid who got a job as
a janitor in this London place called the Royal Institution,
and he was so brilliant. He did experiments, and yeah, no,
he discovered the induction of magnets and coils.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
So what happens if you spin the Earth through the
very intense magnetic field of the Sun.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Oh well, right, Well, we are a magnetosphere. I mean,
the Earth is protected by its magnetosphere, and we are
in a giant magnetic environment of our own magnetic field,
and and everything else. How the magnetic I don't I'm
not sure if the magnetic sphere of the Sun as
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a magnetic kind of you know, induction from the Sun
actually affects the Earth. I just don't know, but certainly
our our field is extremely strong. And I've just been
recently working with this guy from Princeton who has gone
back to Michael Faraday's experiments and thinks that the Faraday
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said that the magnetic field from a magnet isn't connected
to the magnet. It's induced by the magnet, and if
you move the magnet, this field will move, but it's
not in lockstep. It's the movement of the magnet that
moves the fields. It's almost the same. But it's really
subtly important because it would be possible, and it's been
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proven pretty well that it is possible that you can
actually generate a power on Earth by having basically a
stater on Earth, and the coil is the Earth going round.
So the rotation of the Earth, especially at the equator,
is enough to induce magnet a power into into a generator.
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That was very little power.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Pardon Basically that was Chris Chaiber right, proving general electricity
from the spin of the Earth exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I mean, it's incredibly small induced power. But he wasn't
trying to make a project. He's not trying to make
a generator. He was proving. In fact, my comparative is
very subtle semantic argument that the Earth's magnetic field is
separate from the actual Earth. There is the rotation of
the Earth that caused and there's a delay in an
offset and as you know, you know, we the magnetic
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pole as a as a pilot isn't isn't aligned with
the geographic pole, and that offset supposedly is also makes
say an offset to where we are, So the field
kind of has a movement through through something you've lived,
You've lived at a time where you've seen your magnetic
pole move, haven't you over your years of four.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, definitely, that's why they have to change the runway numbers.
Once in a while, you'll see they change the the
runway because it moves, and they have to repaint the
numbers onto the runway, and they have to change all
the documents because instead of runway two one zero, now
it's two zero to zero zero.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah. I remember learning to fly on on. I think
it was runway one one, and it was so easy
to remember. And if I go back then now I
think it's one two and it keeps on moving. It's
just yeah, yeah. And then of course also when navigating,
if you were you out in the in the West
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coast of the United States, you've got like an almost
a ten degree magnetic offset, haven't you. For I remember
in my CFI telling me in Wisconsin that it's zero,
so you're lucky.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, it was systems. I remember it being like eight
between four to eight, but I can't remember. We just
always used magnetic, you know, we never used true Yeah.
But I speculated based off your initial video that what
I thought was interesting is the pyramids right, the Great
peer bit of Giza. I went there in November, and
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it's perfectly aligned to true North right, which is based
on the actual spin axis of the earthen right, yeah,
and so yeah, I speculated, how would they know the
perfect spin axis of the Earth, right, they're not using magnets.
If they were using magnets, then it would be too
magnetic north, but instead it's too true. So I just
speculated maybe they knew about this sort of technology that
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Chris Chaiba found is that they were possibly again total speculation,
they've been using the actual spin of the Earth to
generate something. You know.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, well I love it. I think it's it seems
to be an obvious connection and I would love to
see it. It would be true. The history of why
we science doesn't accept that, or for many years hasn't
accepted and maybe it's going to come back, was because
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a scientist did an experiment and said it doesn't matter.
A Frenchman. He said, it doesn't matter. It's the same
the offset of a magnetic field from spinning magnet, whether
it's in lockstep or whether it spins in the same
way because it's spinning, doesn't matter. So all the equations
that came in afterwards, I believe just ignored what Maxwell had,
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you know, I mean, what fire Day had found, and
they went with the Maxwell theory, which is what we
used today. But maybe, as with a lot of science,
you know, you and I are going to be talking
about the origin of the universe later in the year.
We you know, were we got it wrong? You know,
science has to keep on reinventing itself.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I thought it was amazing too, Chris Chaiber he wrote
his initial paper I think in twenty sixteen. Was that
when they said the theoretical paper, and no one did
anything right. No one tried to actually replicate the experiment.
So he did it basically on his own. It sounds
like in his garage it was, and through Princeton. Really,
he just happens to work at Princeton, and he essentially
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proved it right with this, with this science experiment, and
then we've just heard nothing right. It's been complete crickets.
It seems like the only person I know that's had
him on any sort of interviews is you. Like, I mean,
in all due respect it, I love your channel and
it's quite big, but I think this is like a
big national world news. You know, you can create electricity
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from the spin of the Earth. That seems like that
would revolutionize our understanding of physics. And yet they're just
you know, they don't want to hear it like we
believe it.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
That's what Chris said exactly. It was twenty sixteen. He
did collaborate with something I think from JPL and if
you look at his experiments, it's a piece of wood
with PLESI class and they did in the basement. Yeah. No,
I'm not sure what Princeton's involvement. I mean, he teaches
at Princeton. But you're right, and to this day he
said that he's very keen for other people to repeat
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the experiment. You think they would be building something.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah, or it would have made national news or something.
I thought it was just mind blowing, you know. I
think it will go down in history as a momentous day.
I think, yeah, it's amazing, But I think it goes
against our current mainstream physics, which I think it really
points toward there being an actual ether, because how can
the Earth spin and the magnetic field stays static? You know,
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what is it staying static in relation to? If it's
not spinning with the Earth and it's staying static, then
you know that goes back to inertia. And if you
look at our current scientific models, they just take inertia
as a given. It's it's just the given in the problem.
And they say, yes, inertia exists, and it's related to
space time, and and that's where inertia comes from. It's
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it's mass, and mass has inertia.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
That's the start.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
And I think they just can't even see how kind
of preposterous that argument is.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Completely agreat if you have to wear one T shirt,
people out there, buy a T shirt that says, what
is a inertia? Go and solve it. I mean, really,
it's such a simple word, but its implications of understanding
its true meaning is brilliant. Well said Chris. Yeah, and
just to make it clear, the Princeton experiment was just
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to prove the point. He didn't even he knows how
to scale it up potentially, but he doesn't. You know,
he didn't want to. He wasn't building a piece of kit.
He says, interestingly, making the generator bigger wouldn't work. He
actually needs to make it nanosized. And he made his
his chokes of of material like the antenna of a
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of an old radio. He made them very very resistant
to slow down the movement of electrons. I'm being oversimplified here.
So he got an actual potential difference, he said, to
make it more powerful. You wouldn't want that the resistance
that he had, so metal, very very very tiny meta
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material could have induced power by being on Earth due
to Earth spin. Come on, people, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah. I thought that was amazing because, yeah, if you
think about it, if you make it smaller, it gives
you more power. So imagine, you know, imagine you have
millions or billions of these little power generators. What if
you could tap into some sort of material which had
could create little microgenerators like he's talking about. And that
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again speculation going back to the pyramids, et cetera. But
I just think it's it's a great point to show
that our science still doesn't know everything, and actually there's
huge gaps in our knowledge. And I and that was
my initial thought is could this power failure? Could it
be related to some sort of unknown normally if you will,
(28:01):
natural normally related to the Earth and the magnetic field
and electricity in the sun, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, I think it could well be. I think it
could have been just one of those events that everything
came together and for some reason the system didn't cope
with it or coped with it very badly. Yeah, I
hope people really look into what it was, and certainly
I hope it wasn't a cyber attack. And I completely agree, Chris.
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You know, we're good. We're clever enough bunnies to build
an F sixteen, you know. But do we really know
how it flies? Well? You know, yeah, it changes, it
keeps changing, It keeps changing. Why it flies?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
How you know how it flies for sure, very accurately.
But why it flies? No, that that keeps changing?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Why? Yeah? All right, Well there's a great talking to you, Chris,
and I please the powers back on and you haven't
gone back into lockdown. That's great.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, although it was very nice. We played cards, bike, candlelight,
talk about my kids more in a day than a week,
so I enjoyed it. Actually, I think it's not so
bad getting disconnected.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
No splitch off everybody, it's not watching. Yeahbye, all right,
thanks Chris.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Always a pleasure talking to Professor Simon. If you want
to check out what he would do differently, go to
his channel. I think he will edit that differently. We'll
see what happens. But after I saw that Portuguese grid
operator Arin suggested that a rare atmospheric phenomenon possibly associated
with extreme temperature induced vibrations destabilized high voltage lines. So
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was a interesting pandemic like situation, but like I said,
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always exciting. So have a great rest of your day.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Peace,