"The Greatest Threat to Humanity" with Lue Elizondo

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mister Alizondo's a former intelligence officer who spent his career
working tirelessly in the shadows on sensitive national security matters,
including investigating UAPs as the head of a tip. He
performed those duties admirably. Signed Harry Reid, I do this
because I want to, and the sacrifices I've made and
my family's made because we believe in what we're doing.

(00:22):
But make no mistake, I don't work for anybody out
there who demands, whose self entitled say I demand to
know the truth. You can demand all you want. I'm
not going to do anything illegal or that hurts national
security simply because some artchair quarterback who has been sitting
in his mother's basement in his underwear demands answers for me.
Nothing's stopping you. Go join the army, to go become
an intelligence officer, Go study UAPs, and go report to

(00:44):
Congress and the executive branch, and try to thread that
needle with the American people yourself. There's nothing stopping people
from doing that. Governments aren't always truthful with their people,
with their citizens, and that's a problem because this democracy
only works because we as citizens have faith and confidence
in our institutions and those who are charged to represent us.

(01:07):
And when governments do things that are not in the
best interests of their citizens and then lie about it,
then we have a significant problem on our hands up here.
This patch Brigade twenty five oh six was the unit
that the CIA put together to launch the invasion on
the Bay of Pigs. That was my father's unit. In fact,

(01:27):
I'll share something else with you I've shared publicly, but
I asked my father a question. I want his advice.
I said, Dad, what do you think is the greatest
threat to humanity?

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Chis later Welcome to Lato Files. Okay, I'm here with
a man that I think needs no introduction on my channel,
least Lato Files. Luwell's under Thank you so much for coming.
I know you're a very busy man.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
No, my honored privilege. Look always loved what you do.
You You've got a great team. Uh, and it's really
my honored privilege to spend some time with you and
and your wonderful audience. So thank you. I certainly feel
very privileged.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Honor is definitely all mine. I guess the one question
I was just thinking about to start this is are
you recognized now? Can you Can you walk through an
airport and people will not come up to you. Does that?
Does that happen?

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Uh? Sometimes they they'll come up to me and they'll
want to shake my hand. Sometimes people will deliberately avoid me,
I suspect because if they don't want to be associated
with that, you know that that guy in the in
the UFO world.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Most of the public interaction I have is very very positive,
one on one. As you know, I've spent my entire
life in the shadows for somebody being in the intelligence community.
An inimity was always my friend, and so coming out
in kind of a little bit more of a public
way has been has taken a lot of getting you

(03:00):
to There's a lot of adjustments that that some have
to make. And look, there's both good and bad. The
best part is when someone comes up and they say, listen,
you know, my father loves hearing you talk. And they
start sharing ideas about their own experiences, right like when
I was a kid of my dad and I have
my mom and I had a UFO experience. To me,

(03:20):
it's very heartwarming and I tell people all the time. Book,
if you see me, I'm just an average dude. Tap
me on the shoulder say hey, lou what's up. Doesn't
bother me a bit, But of course there are Unfortunately,
as you probably know, being somewhat in a public sphere yourself,
there's consequences to its double edged sword. It is the
reason why I live where I live, in the middle

(03:41):
of a remote part of Wyoming, our elevations higher than
our population. I have five German shepherds. I know I
do occasionally have security concerns, and I guess that's kind
of the more dark side. And most of those security
concerns aren't from you know, everyday people who appreciate what
I'm doing or curious. They tend to be from people

(04:04):
who suffer from from truly, I believe, some sort of
mental affliction, and so it's not really their fault. I know.
It's easy for people to lay blame and say, well,
you know, there's a bunch of people out there that
are haters and they are not good people. I think
even some of the haters are probably not bad people.
And I think if there's people that you know on

(04:24):
both sides that require, you know, some sort of of
mental help, you know, we should always try to be
be as graceful as possible, and as patient as possible,
and as understanding as possible, because there are people who
do need help. Mental illness is a real thing, and
in that case, we need to really show compassion. And

(04:45):
so that's why, you know, even with some of the
threats I've received, I try not to take it personally.
I try to look at us. Maybe there's people that
have maybe some sort of trauma in their life, and so, yeah,
I guess that's a long answer to a short question.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
No, yeah, I can completely see that. You know, when
I was in fighter squadron, if we had any sort
of media, even if it's just local media, come to
the squadron and say, hey, do we want any pilots,
you know, want to give an interview or something, it
was crickets. You know, nobody wanted to have their name
out there, nobody wanted their face. So I can just imagine,
especially as in counterintelligence or covert operations. And now, you know,

(05:28):
you're one of the most recognizable people I think in
the world, at least around UAPs.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
You know, Fortunately, I don't think that's necessarily true. I
think there's a lot of people more recognizable, and I
suspect if I probably shaved this, I would be less recognizable.
My wife and just said to keep you said, have
a face of a twelve year old, So I've got
to I've got to have facial hair. Otherwise, let's just
say I don't get positive attention from my wife. So

(05:56):
I support the short beard, and I suspect that's probably
the most recognizable piece about me.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
But I think, yeah, you have mentioned threats against you.
It's been controversial. I've been really surprised that a lot
of the negative comments that you and other people have received,
like Jake Barber who came out, a lot of it
seemed like a major negative reaction. So there's still a
lot of debate in the UAP community. And I guess

(06:23):
some people feel this this is nothing.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
This is nothing new, though, to be honest with you,
I mean every person that has come out initially and
even including people like Jacques Vallet, receive their fair share
of hate. I like to think it's the vocal minority
that express their negative views for whatever reason. I think
the silent majority tend to be a little bit maybe
more level headed and less aggressive. But you're right, it's

(06:48):
a problem when we've all faced it, you know, I
think when you give a platform where everybody has a voice, Well,
the problem is anybody has a voice, and there's people
out there that feel their voice should be heard over others.
And it's a shame, but you know it is It's
human behavior, isn't it. And We've seen this over and
over and over again. We've seen it in politics, we

(07:10):
even see it in religion. So I'm not really especially
in the UAP community, which I was warned very early
on that it tends to eat itself. They were absolutely right.
I never realized just just really how vicious they can
be against and towards one another. But I've also, like
I said, I met some fantastic people I have some people,

(07:31):
believe it or not, I met online that wound up
becoming really close and good friends. So it's again it's
a double edged sword. But if I had to choose
and say, well, you know, in order to preserve my
security and my anonymity, I'm going to get off social media.
If the cost of doing that is that then I
can no longer interact with people who are you know,
good people and friends, then I'm willing to take the hits.

(07:53):
It's okay, It's worth it because I think overall we're
making collectively, folks like you, me, your audience, we all
have a part in this disclosure movement, and I think
it all voices matter, even the ones that are hateful
sometimes and I disagree with what they're doing and more
importantly how they're doing it, you know, their voice counts too,
and so we have to we have to remember that,
especially in a democracy, which which you and I have

(08:16):
both defended at times, even even violently. It's it's part
of it's part of our society, whether we like it
or not, and I think it's worth preserving.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, I agree, it seems like our society had gotten
I don't want to say overly woke, but it seems
like everything can be an insult at these points. And
so I'm just my own personal viewpoint as I'm trying to,
like you said, even take the negative comments with a
grain of salt. Again, it's just it's just a comment,
it's just a thought, and you know it can just

(08:51):
be referenced and then moved on.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
It's hard. There's a lot of maliciousness out there, a lot,
especially if people who've never served their country before. And
I understand that because maybe this is a topic that
scares them. Maybe they've been personally involved in some way
or shape or form, or you know, in some cases,
as I've seen, people have made a cottage industry for
themselves for many, many years. It's not decades. And now

(09:13):
you know, someone comes in from the governments, which, by
the way, I find very funny and ironic because of
this entire time, all you all, you, if you followed,
you wanted was somebody from the inside to come out
and tell the truth. And now that they have that,
you know, no I misinformation. No, you know, you're you're
you're out there trying to fool us. But I think again,

(09:35):
it's part of our democracy and we have to embrace it,
whether we like some of the comments or not. Uh.
And we have to be able to recognize when there
are some voices out there that frankly, truly need help.
This is this is the way life is now, whether
you are again a public figure in the media, public
figure in politics, even a public figure in religion. Believe

(09:57):
it or not, we see a lot of that. So anyways,
for what it's worth, it's it's worth it to me
to engage. There's a lot of things happening this year,
A lot of exciting things happening. Been to DC quite
a bit, a lot of things going on overseas, so
you know, there's there's a lot to be uh to
be thankful about.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Well, I saw recently and I thought it was settled,
But I've seen posts on X that are still questioning
your role in a tip. You know, you do you
know where this is coming from? Or can you clarify
once and for all you know what was your role.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
I mean, look, I've got got documentation after documentation. I
can pull some of it up right now on my
phone and and show folks a lot of it is
coming from I think those those what I said before,
people who have specific agendas, they like creating consternation. And
let's pull this up here. Okay, So here we go.

(10:55):
Everybody knows who Harry Reid is. Harry Reid was the
original sponsor for ASAP and a TIP. He was also
the Senate Majority Leader, and he was, if you will,
the owner of a TIP. This is a letter from him,
signed by him, dated April twenty six, twenty one, with

(11:16):
his letterhead and his signature, to whom it may concern,
as United States Senate Majority Leader. I worked with Republican
Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska and Democratic Senator Dan Inuey
of Hawaii to secure twenty two million of funding for
what would become known as the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program,
an unclassified but unpublicized investigatory effort dedicated to studying unidentified

(11:42):
aerial phenomena. As one of the original sponsors of ATIP,
I can state as a matter of record Luis Alessandro's
involvement and leadership role in this program. Mister Alexando's a
former intelligence officer who spent his career working tirelessly in
the shadows on sensitive national security matters, including investigating UAPs.
As the head of a TIP, he performed those duties admirably.

(12:06):
Signed Harry Reid. So that's just, you know, one of
the many examples I have of documentation, copious amounts of
documentation establishing establishing who I am. I've got other letters
and memorandes which I will not share right now publicly,
but if I ever need to, I certainly will UH
and copious amounts of emails and other documentations from the

(12:28):
Department of Defense itself establishing for the record my role
in a TIP at this point, I think if people
want to argue that, then you know, want to waste
your time be my guest. But we've we've kind of
moved on from that argument. You know, there's people who
even a question at won't point my military service and
question whether or not I worked in intelligence or before

(12:48):
I worked at USDI or any of these other places
I work at. If I spend my time, you know,
biting off these ankle biters, that is going to distract
me from from the bigger sha that I have, and
that is fighting for transparency and disclosure for the American
people and trying to ultimately get the government to do

(13:08):
what it is supposed to do. And that disclosure shouldn't
be coming from me, it should be coming from our government.
And so that's what I'm trying to do, is work
very hard to help our government figure out a way
to have this conversation with the American people, a conversation
I think we're long overdue, a conversation that I think
we deserve, A conversation that had been paid for, the

(13:30):
results of which have been paid for by tax payer money.
And so I think I think the time has come
for elements, not the whole government. I'm not blaming the
whole government here, but elements of our government to finally
come clean about what it knows within reason about this
incredible enigma we've been dealing with called UAP for decades.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah, it seems like some of the frustration, right is
many many listeners ask, you know, why haven't we seen
the craft or the bodies? You know, it seems like
Louel is Ondo, you are required to present these bodies
of this craft, the or the hard evidence. You know,
they'll say why doesn't they present the hard evidence? But
I guess you know, what can you say to those

(14:15):
people who are frustrated by having to wait for the government, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
If they have a security clearance in they need to
know it can come into a skip with me. Then
they'll see it. You know. I'll also remind certain people
that I don't work for you. Sorry, you don't pay
my bills, you don't pay my mortgage. I owe you nothing.
I do this because I want to, and the sacrifices
I've made and my family's made because we believe in
what we're doing. But make no mistake, I don't work
for anybody out thereho demands whose self entitled say I

(14:40):
demand to know the truth. You can demand all you want.
My job is very simple. My job is not to
come out and necessarily reveal everything to American people. My
job is very simple, and that is to help our
government be truthful and more transparent with the American people.
It's not my job to provide that information to you.
It's your government's job. And I am not going to
go go ahead and go out of bounds and talk

(15:03):
about things that can get me in trouble. I still
maintain my security clearance and that means something to me.
And I know for a lot of people who never
had a security clarents or never serve the country, that
doesn't mean anything, and I can't help that. But to
those of us who have served, that does mean something.
In fact, a lot of us put our lives on
the line because of what we believe in, our ideals
and our values. And that's one of my core values
is to make sure that I don't color outside the line.

(15:26):
I'm willing to go right up to that line, no problem,
but I'm not going to cross it. I'm not going
to do anything illegal or that hurts national security simply
because some ardchair quarterback who has been sitting in his
mother's basement in his underwear, demands answers from me. You know,
if you think you can do a better job than
get your butt out of the chair. Go get a
job and put some clothes on and do it yourself.
Nothing stopping you. Go join the army, Go become an

(15:48):
intelligence officer, Go study UAPs, and go report to Congress
and the executive branch, and try to thread that needle
with the American people yourself. There's nothing stopping people from
doing that. They're more than welcome to do it. The
thing they can do a better job than me, then
be my guest. I'm not stopping anybody from doing that.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
It's amazing. And you mentioned earlier how people don't trust
like people such as yourself. I seek, you know, debate
against your credibility, et cetera, because you come from the government.
And yet it seems that the government is where all
this information is kept, or at least the vast bulk
of the information it's kept right right.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
And you know, it just so happened. Look, I didn't
ask for the job an a tip, you know, I
was brought in and recruited into it, you know, and
I decided to come out and be forthcoming about what
we found. You know that alone, I could have walked
after twenty seventeen and just after the New York Times article,
just walked away, throw my hands up and say mission success.

(16:48):
You know now, no, it's over to you, folks. But
I didn't do that, and I continue to do what
I was doing and trying to push for advocacy, even
at my own expense. You know, this has not been
a a an endeavor that's been necessarily profitable for me.
You know, it made it very clear. I lived for
years in a trailer with my wife. My wife had

(17:09):
to work at Target and at home Depot just to
help to pay the bills. And you know, we were
in executive level equivalents working for the state of Maryland,
my wife and myself working for the US government. You know,
fortunately things are a little better for us now, but
by no means you know, my living in a rock

(17:29):
star mansion and driving you know, Mercedes and Porsches and
things like that. You know, I drove a pickup truck,
you know, a very normal life. I still have bills
I have to pay. I'm not financially independent, so when
I'm not doing disclosure. I'm still having to earn a
living and I have to find ways to do that

(17:49):
in a way that is symbiotic with what I'm trying
to achieve, which is greater transparency, and that's not always easy.
You know. There's a reason why they call that they
use the term starving artists because it might be a
passion to be an artist, but chances are you not
going to make a lot of money unless you're very,
very very lucky and very successful, and I'm neither. I'm
neither lucky nor successful. So that leaves hard work and

(18:11):
I got to figure out ways to continue to feed
my family, and my wife does too, and you know,
we are very ordinary people. I think people in social media,
for some reason, feel very embolden when they're behind a
keyboard and they're pretty sure they're anonymous, you know, they're
very quick to attack others. In the words of Mike Tyson,

(18:33):
it's pretty amazing what people are willing to say when
they're pretty sure they're not going to get punched in
the mouth. You know. And by the way, I'm not
espousing any type of violence, but it's true people think
when there's no consequences, then then they're free to defame
and lie about people and say whatever they want. And
there's a difference. By the way, I'm all for, you know,

(18:54):
free speech, it's one of our sacred constitutional rights is
free speech. Free speech doesn't include slander, it doesn't include
defamation and lies and false accusations, which is exactly what
we're seeing. Then you furthermore, you have some quote unquote
journalists out there who, in my opinion, are not journalists.

(19:16):
You know, trash tabloid type, you know, bottom feeders that
are into sensationalism, and they will they will twist and
say things and do things and manipulate things in a
way that are inconsistent with what true journalists do. You know,
I've had videos that people interviews taken of me where

(19:38):
the people have literally edited them to make it say
like I'm saying something else, And only when the full
video comes out do people realize that it's being manipulated. Right,
But there's no consequences for those people. Why because we
live in a society where free speech is protected, which
I agree with, But there's no consequences. And people say, well,
why don't you sow them? Well, because it costs a

(19:59):
hundred one thousand dollars each time, and most of these
people don't have one hundred thousand dollars to even collect,
so you know, I would be chasing my tail and
spending millions going out and trying to defend myself from
defamation and suing these people. So I have to be
very careful and figure out, Okay, if I eventually sue somebody,
I got to figure out, you know, who's really worth
it and who can I make a statement with and

(20:21):
who will people look at and say, Wow, that was
a hell of a lesson that that was taught. So
that's kind of the way the calculus works. There are
some people on my radar I will say that that
I'm watching very closely, and if they step over the
line too many times, they're going to find out. They're
going to find out what happens when that When when

(20:42):
when they do that?

Speaker 2 (20:44):
I think there's like a weird phenomenon, like like road rage.
You know, you'll see, like the nicest people all of
us have probably dealt with it is you get in
a car and when you're driving, something else happens. You're
not like a normal regular person more your normal and
you're a person in a car.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Hey, I'm guilty.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Come something else, and people go nuts over simple slights,
et cetera.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Absolutely, I'm guilty of that myself. You know, someone is
driving like a well driving and let's just saying considerate uh,
and they're doing it deliberately. I get infuriated. That's that's
one of my one of my my hot bune. In fact,
my wife will often refuse to drive in a car
with me, sometimes simply because when I get into a
major metropolitan area and I see people driving that way,

(21:28):
it infuriates me. People, for example, dumb things right like
blocking the box. You know a lot of people do it,
but the question is why you know you're doing something
that's skinny and convenience one hundred people that are trying
to get across, but for some reason you're more important,
right yeah. Or people who get in the left lane.
This is another thing that I you know, one proposal,
if I ever went back to the government and had

(21:50):
a chance to make a recommendation, I would tell people, look,
the left lane is for passing only, and if you
camp out in the left lane, you're going to get
a huge ticket. People often say, well, I'm doing five
miles an hour, of the speed limit. So I'm going
fast enough. Well, don't look now, but you're being hypocritical.
One mile an hour over the speed limit is breaking
the law. So you don't set the moral speed limit, right,

(22:12):
you know, you don't set the moral guidelines of how
much faster everybody is allowed to break the law. And
you're going to break it, and everybody's going to only
be able to break it as much as you. Right. Look,
bottom line is get your butt over and let people
that are passing pass.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
But they can just say off the hot button for me.
I start something, say, I think that's what happens people
see something, right, well, because what if they're going faster
than the speed limit, you know, at all, then they
shouldn't be passed. You know, someone gets mad and then they,
like you said, there's minimal consequences, and all of a
sudden they just start typing you know, who knows what

(22:45):
in the middle of the night.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
So that's why it's important you I admit I have,
you know, I have my fair degree of road rage myself,
you know, or call it infuriation, right, So I get it.
I get And there's hot button topics, and especially in
the topic of UFOs. There's a lot of people that
have been investing many years of their life and a
lot of emotion into this, and when information comes out

(23:09):
that doesn't necessarily comport with their pre existing narrative, then
they react, and sometimes they react poorly.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
They're going too fast in the left lane, faster than
I want it, but are going too slow? Are going
too slow? So you mentioned there and I that was
one of the big things I got out of reading
Imminent your book Amazing Success, I believe bestseller from last August.
I recommend everyone watching to to read it. It's amazing

(23:40):
or listen to it on audiobook. That's what I learned
in that is really the hardships that you went through
to do the job that you're doing now. Right when
you really just left you send in your resignation letter.
That must have been extremely difficult, you know, telling your wife,
going through all that discussion as you relay in the book,
and then going out on a limb really you know,

(24:02):
putting your pension essentially aside and going to the Stars Academy,
you know, and that amazing risk. You know, can you
do you think it's paid off? You know, would you
do that again? If you had to give everything up
like that to go down this route.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Well, hindsight is always twenty twenty. Would I make the
sacrifices again? Absolutely, But now knowing what I know, would
I do it a different way? Potentially? I'm sure in
certain circumstances there's decisions I would have made. Forgive me,
there's decisions I would have made a little bit differently.
But we have no way of knowing until you know

(24:40):
we've done it already once before. And that's why I think,
you know, as equally important as success is, failure is
very important. Failure is a wonderful, wonderful teaching tool. And
oftentimes when I would recruit somebody into the Pentagon or
into the intelligence community, questions weren't always how many successes

(25:02):
have you had? A lot of them have been how
many failures have you had? And usually the more failures
are the better, because that means they've risked and they have,
under trial and error, done things, and I've learned a
good lesson from that, and so I'm okay with that.
I think you know, the key to failure is not
giving up. Everybody fails. If you don't fail, you don't try,

(25:23):
You're not trying so failure is equally important, if not
in some cases even more important than success. So those
are very valuable lessons.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
I think your book in and it was definitely a success.
It's a bestseller. You know, there's so many key points
in there. One of the main points.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
You know why it's a best seller. Right. I can't
take credit for it. You guys, you made it a
best seller, not me. I just wrote my life as
it happened, and it became a bestseller because it shows
that people were interested in this topic, not necessarily interested
in me, but interested in this topic and they want
to know more. And so the reason why this book
became the number one New York Times bestseller and Londay

(26:03):
Times bestseller Sunday Times again, it's not because of me.
It's it's because of you, because of your your audience,
because of readers that that are tired of being lied
to by certain elements within our authority apparatus, within our government.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
I was impressed by a tip you guys went and
actually investigated the nimics. And that's really the story that
turned me around. When I saw Fraver's interviews on several
podcasts Rogan, etc. And since I was a fighter pilot.
I just instantly related to him. You know, he seemed
like one of the many amazing commanders I had, one
of the leaders. It was him, you know, I didn't

(26:43):
know him, but that's exactly what it felt like.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Him and Ally and Chad. I mean, they are of
rare cloth. These folks are no nonsense. You know, they're
not conspiracy theorists. Didn't believe in UFOs, but they decided
to be courageous and tell their truth the American people.
And by the way, there are hundreds of those pilots.
Look at Ryan Graves and what he's been able to

(27:06):
achieve as well for this topic with his Americans for space,
for say Fero space. Look at Admiral gay Udatt, who's
now focusing on the topic of USOS. Look at Mike
Gold at NASA. Right, A lot of people that are
willing to come out now and put their credibility and
even their careers on the line. Look at you, right,

(27:28):
you could be covering anything you want out there with
your successful background and as a fighter pilot and all
the other stuff you've done. You don't have to cover
this topic, but you are, and you're doing it because
you feel it's the right thing to do, so I
agree with you. I think, you know, Nimitz was the
first one. It was one of the gold standard investigations
conducted by one of my colleagues. I think they did
a very good job. I had a copy of the

(27:49):
actual investigation. But then there's a lot of other stuff too,
from other pilots that we're seeing and other intelligence collectors.
And by the way, some of the videos are extremely compelled.
I mean, like they're not grainy, blurry things on a
flear pod. They are right there, up close and personal.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, that's I mean, that's amazing to hear. Because Aero
comes out and releases there there most debunked videos essentially,
you know, the only ones we've seen are ones that
they can definitively prove are not UAPs, and the ones
that the big questions I have, you know, are like
Bob Solas where you have the nuclear incidents, the nimts

(28:31):
and gimbal you know those three. Really we just hear
dead silence from the government, you know, from Aero.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Well, and let's face it, from the new I mean,
Aero has kind of done a one eighty in the
last year under this new leadership, you know, whereas the
last leadership is like, got nothing to see here, folks,
You always have prosaic explanations if you don't know what
even though we don't know what they are. The new
guy says, look, with my background of physics, which by
the way, is a lot, there's things that we are
seeing that define my current understanding and our understanding of

(29:00):
state of the art technology and physics. We can't explain
it right. So there are things out there that you know,
in essence go bump in the night that we don't
know what they are. They're not balloons, and they're not helicopters,
they're not drones, they're not planes, they're not missiles, and
they're performing in ways that defy our current understanding of
of aerospace and those types of those types of those

(29:24):
types of physics. And so I think if people pay
attention to read between the lines, I'll see that. You know,
I think there's arrows is actually might be turning in
a corner a little bit, and I want to give
them a fair chance. They do seem to be trying
to do the right thing now, and as a result,
I want to make sure you know I don't I

(29:44):
try not to beat them up too bad because their
heart seems to be in the right place.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah. I interviewed James Fox and he said the current
director told him he couldn't part his own hair without
getting approval from the Pentagon.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah. Yeah, I heard something very similar, and you know,
that's very common of the Pentagon bureaucracy. That's why I
had to leave. That's why I had to resign was
because of that, because it wasn't allowing us to do
the thing that the American taxpayer were paying us to
do in Congress expected us to do. They weren't allowing
us to report, and they weren't allowing us to make

(30:19):
you know, they didn't They didn't want to make any decisions.
They wanted those decisions to be made at our level,
and that was completely inappropriate. They needed to be made
at a much more senior level. And so again one
of the motivations for me to have to resign my position.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Are there any stories in imminent or insights that you
feel were underappreciated by the public or media.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
You know what, I don't really know, and I never
really paid attention to the reviews. My focus is really
on these one on one interactions like with yourself. If
there's a question you or somebody you know, your listeners
have a question us them directly. As for the back
and forth online and about my book, unless somebody asked

(31:08):
me the question directly, I usually don't address it because
I just simply don't have the bandwidth. I'd be spending
all my time each day answering questions out of that
particular out of that particular book. I did think it
was very important that I look it was very hypocrit
I decided it early on. I was going to be
very forthcoming in that book a lot about my own
personal self as well, And even though I know it

(31:29):
would expose me to additional scrutiny, which it did, I
felt a need to do it. Why because I can't
very well it's very hypocritical of me. I can't very
well expect transparency from our own government if I'm not
willing to be transparent myself in my own book. So
that's why you see a lot of anecdotes and experiences

(31:52):
there that might not necessarily be related to UAP specifically,
but I think it was important to put it in
there so people know, you know little bit who lu
Elisondo is, who am I and at the end of
the day, I'm just an ordinary dude like you and
everybody else. I tell people, if you wanted to capture
me in a subtitle of anything, probably the most accurate

(32:13):
portrayal of me would be an unexceptional man living through
exceptional times. That's how I would characterize myself. I'm not
doing anything that anybody else wouldn't do if they were
in my position. If you took the same secrecy oath
as I did, you would protect that information. But if
you also took the same oath to protect our country
from all the enemies, foreign and domestic, then you've got

(32:34):
to figure out a way to do that because sometimes
the two are inconsistent, because sometimes the enemy is the
bureaucracy itself, right, the same bureaucracy that tells us what
to do and how to do it. So, how do
you continue to do a job where you are looking
out for the best interests of the American people, but
at the same time, you know, not doing anything that's
inconsistent with your other oath, which is to you know,

(32:57):
follow the rules of the chain of command. The two
aren't always consistent, believe it or not. And you know
there's an old saying sometimes to be patriotic, you have
to do things that don't seem very patriotic at the time.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, as an officer in the Air Force, all of
our oaths were sworn to the constitution actually, so none
of it was sworn to the biocracy. Like you mentioned,
we have these all these agencies in say CIA, they've
been caught kind of red handed, I think, doing some
really undemocratic things, if you will. For instance, the JFK files.

(33:37):
The hearing just came out, it was two weeks ago,
and I was interested to hear that. Again, the CIA
had three top officials that had lied and looking into
the the whole JFK case goes to Cuba, and I
was very interested to hear in your Sean Ryan interview
about your your father, who actually spent two years in

(33:58):
a Cuban prison. That is just amazing.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
See up here this patch Brigade twenty five oh six
was the unit that the CIA put together to launch
the invasion on the Bay of Pigs. That was my
father's unit. In fact, I'll share something else with you
I've shared publicly, but when my father was exiled, Castro
had called uh declared everybody traders who participated in the

(34:27):
Bay of pigs and called them call them worms. So
as kind of the rally call here you see this,
this is a little worm here saying, uh, you know,
let's let's go, let's rock and roll, let's go back
and do what we need to do. Yeah, governments aren't

(34:48):
always truthful with their people, with their citizens, and that's
a problem because this democracy only works because we as
citizens have faith and confidence in our institutions and those
who are charged to represent us. And when governments do
things that are not in the best interests of their
citizens and then lie about it, then we have a

(35:11):
significant problem on our hands. My father passed away. In
my book, I'd talked about my mother, my mother passing
away some years ago from cancer, but my father passed
away two years ago on Father's Day. And my father
had a very significant, had very significant influence in my life.
He was unabashedly patriotic towards this country, although sometimes very

(35:33):
critical of it. You know, because I asked him on
a road trip, I knew it was about two months
before he passed, and I knew it was going to be.
He never told me he had what he had, but
I could tell by his physique he was he didn't
have law, and he just didn't want to tell me that.
So I had It was fortunate enough to have a
three day road trip from here in Wyoming to drive
down to South Florida with him, and I knew it'd

(35:55):
probably be my last time to really spend time with him.
And about halfway through the drive, maybe somewhere by answers
or something, I asked my father a question, And looking back,
I feel a little little guilty about it because I
said it almost flippantly. I want his advice, I said, Dad,
what do you think is the greatest threat to humanity? Now,
in my mind, I'm thinking maybe it's some sort of

(36:16):
national pandemic, right, or biological or virus that's been released
to the population. Maybe it's terrorism. My father thought for
a moment. He looked to me and he said, he
used to call me Chino as as a kid, and
that's my nickname Gino or pon Poncho as well, And
he said, Gino, it's it's the greatest threat to humanity

(36:41):
is corruption. Forgive me, I'm kind of now releaving this
a little bit. He said, his corruption, And so I
thought to myself when I said, Dad, you mean like
financial corruption, like religious corruption, And he said, no, son,
any form of corruption. Corruption is the act of giving away,
trading away, selling off one of your core values in

(37:02):
exchange for something else, whether it be monetary or be
any something else. And so when you have that in
a government, when you have corruption in a government, then
it begins to very quickly chip away erode the very
foundation of democracy. And when that happens, it's a very
quick and very slippery slope into utter tyranny. And so

(37:23):
my father happened to know a little bit about that
and what that looks like because he lived through it,
and I never forgot that. And it turned out that
when you have corruption again in our own government, not
necessarily monetarily, but someone is doing something for purposes that
go against the ethos of our nation, then that's a problem.

(37:45):
People are making decisions and doing things that they don't
have the authority to do, not legally and certainly not ethically.
And those are the enemies of the state, those people.
When you learn that there was a plan by the CIA,
there was a time I worked a little bit with
that organization. When you find out that there was a

(38:05):
plan to literally blow up a US Navy vessel in
Havana Harbor and then use that as a predicate to
blame the Cuban people and use that as a purpose
for invading Cuba. When you yourself are the ones who put
the bomb and kill people Americans to do that, that's
not democracy. That is not democracy. I don't know what

(38:28):
it is, but it's certainly not democracy. And we have
a history of doing that. You can look at things
like the mk Ultra experiments where the CIA had distributed
LSD to unsuspecting people and some of them, some of
them wound up dead. Look at the Tuskegee experiments where
we allowed human beings, fellow Americans, to go through the

(38:49):
full process of syphilis, a disease that ravages you over
a long period of time, and we allowed fellow Americans
to die from a disease that we already had to
care for. Right. So, we've got problems, and the purpose
is to make sure that we never repeat those same mistakes.

(39:12):
We have to have watchdogs, We have to have people
that are vigilant making sure that these things don't happen again,
and when they do happen, we hold people accountable.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
For them.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
And so anyways, long long way to kind of talk about,
you know, the enemy of bureaucracy and people like you
and me swearing an allegiance and an oath to our nation.
But that's an oath that's taken very seriously and the
best of my knowledge. I don't know about you, but
I was never relieved of that oath when I left government, were.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
You No, No, you're not.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yeah, right, And so I guess the point is is
that we're still obliged and we're held accountable to that oath.
And I'm okay with that. I believe in that oath.
I think every American should feel that way personally, but
I guess not everybody does.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
I get Yeah, I guess my personal viewpoint is more
of a disappointment, you know. It's like the disappointed parent
or something, where I just know the country can and
should do better, and I just and I hope we
see that in the future. But I had that reminds
me of a question. Ali and Justin. They run our
UAP Society news show, it's our sister channel, and they

(40:29):
actually met you. You made a great impression on them,
and they wanted me to ask, actually, is what is
your greatest hope for the future of humanity since we're
talking about the.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Wow for all of humanity. Yeah, that's so much question,
that's beyond uap Cleirdly, I think the greatest hope of humanity.
I think ninety five percent of our issues as a
species comes from our inherent propensity to move towards violence
when we don't get our way, when we don't understand something,

(41:02):
what we are afraid of something. If we could learn
to be a kinder species. I often tell people who
you say, well, what do I need to know? If
you know I came across an nhi, you know, how
would I relate and interact? And I always tell people
the same thing. Look, I think before you you try
to understand what is out there and what is definitively
not human, you first need to understand what's in here

(41:24):
and what makes us human and where are those limitations.
I would love to see humanity for once at peace.
I would love to see humanity not be violent. I
would love to see humanity respect one another in a way,

(41:47):
whether it's religious acceptance, political acceptance, lifestyle acceptance, live and
let live, do no harm to anyone else. And I
know that sounds weird from a guy like this that's
got a you know, a background full of patches and
military stuff, right, But I have. I have. I've been

(42:12):
part of an apparatus that really focused in in in
tearing human beings apart, and I'd like to spend the
rest of my life perhaps help putting them back together.
Let's make no qualms about it. You know, when you're
in national security, when you're in the Department of Defense,
which is to some degree little different than the intelligence community,

(42:35):
but your job is very simple. You're not peacekeepers. You're
not there, you're not the State Department. You were there
to fight and win wars. And ultimately that means killing
more of the enemy than they kill of yourselves. And
that's what warfare is, and it should always be a
last result. Nobody wins in warfare. There's just some that

(42:56):
lose more than others. War is a terrible thing and violence,
and whether it's war on the battlefield or it's war
in your household where spouses aren't getting along and people
are saying ugly things to each other, because there's consequences,
because there's there's in one in one instance, when you're
talking a warfare and on a geopolitical scale, you have

(43:17):
citizens that are hurting. But when you have warfare in
a household, you have children that are hurting. You have
children that see this behavior and then think that this
is normal and this is a way that that that
relationships work, and it's not. It's very dysfunctional. And we're
we're not doing a good job policing ourselves. We're just not.
We We rely on everybody else to do our own work.

(43:41):
We are a very entitled society. We forget what it
is to suffer and struggle and sacrifice, and we want
everybody else to pay the bill. But us. We are
used to, you know, creating laws that apply to everybody
else but myself. You know, I'm a special categor story
that doesn't apply to me. And when you do that,

(44:04):
you start going down a very slippery slope. Again, As
I said, you know, laws should be inclusive, not exclusive.
I disagree with exclusive lawmaking, where laws apply to one
group of people but not another. I think all laws
apply to all people fairly and equally, and I think
we were going down the wrong path and we think

(44:26):
we can carve out exceptions for different people. You know,
I'm Hispanic certainly on my father's side. I don't expect
any special privilege. You know. When I first went to
the University of Miami, they wanted me to fill out
an application for a scholarship where I could get financial scholarship,
simply because of the fact that I was Cuban, and

(44:48):
I refused to. I thought it was terrible. First of all,
I don't know if you know this, but Cubans in
Miami are not a minority. I think there's more of
us living in Miami than there are in Cuba. But secondly,
I don't think it's fair that simply because I was
born one way or the other, that now I should
have special privilege. It's also another reason why I decided

(45:11):
when I went into the Army, I went enlisted. I
could have gone in as an officer because of my
my my medical training, in my background, but my father
told me at a very taught me at a very
young age. He said, son, in order to be a
good leader, you first need to know what it is
to follow, and you need to be a good follower.
And so one of the reasons why I decided to
go enlist it. I have no regrets about it, you know,

(45:35):
I've I had a colleague not too long ago. I
won't say who, said, you know, oh, Lou, you're you're
thinking about this topic. You're you're you need to think
like an officer, You're thinking like an enlisted And I
told him, I said, thank you. That's one of the
greatest compliments you could ever have paid me. Telling me
I think like an enlisted person. That doesn't bother me.

(45:55):
You know, I've worn the rank of officer on the
civilian side, a very senior for a long time. But
you know, that's not what made me who I am.
What made me who I am was when I was enlisted,
being called up at three o'clock in the morning to
go on the middle of the snow and start up
a hum V and get the AM and the cingars
radio going. Meanwhile, I look inside the hooch and all

(46:17):
the NCOs and officers are sitting there drinking coffee, watching
us work. I realized that is not the way leaders
do things. You wanted to be a leader, you better
be the first one out there. There's a saying the
original and I love this sayings all shared the original
founder of Suffrages department store in London and by the

(46:40):
way this was remarkable of a fart's time, because there
was never anything like that in London before. This was
like a superstore where you could get everything, hardware and
fashion and everything so suffrages. He said. One of his
understandings of leadership right. Where a manager will often tell
people go and do it, a leader says, let's go

(47:02):
and do it, and I'll add on one more to that.
In my opinion, a great leader says, I'll be the
first one to go. I think. I think that's that's
kind of the way I like to look at things.
In my my my understanding of leadership. A lot of
people claim to be leaders. True leaders never claim to

(47:25):
be leaders. They're recognized as leaders by their peers, by
their by their supervisors, and by their subordinates. A true
leader never has to say their leader. A true leader
never uses the word me, minor I, this is my office,
this is my staff. That's not a leader. A leader
will say us, we in ours. A real leader will

(47:45):
accept all responsibility when things go bad and not blame
anybody but themselves. And a real leader will give credit
when things happen that are good, even if they give
credit to people that even if those people didn't do
all the work, you still give credit, and I think
that's important. We forgot what real leadership is about. You know,
being in the Air force, you've seen leadership and you've

(48:08):
also seen I'm sure bad examples of leadership, right it seems.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, in generals especially, there's like a one general just
be amazing, one of the you know, incredible, incredible leader,
and then the next one will just be horrible. It's amazing, right.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
No, you're you're right. And and but remember what I
said in the very beginning of this discussion with you
that that sometimes failure is one of the best ways
to learn a lesson. And so if you see a
bad leader, learn from that, right, don't be like that person.
If they are a bad leader, understand why, what are
the aspects that make them bad? Or performance? And learn
from that, right, and then it becomes a positive experience. Yeah,

(48:46):
you had to deal with a bad leader, but guess
what you learned a good lesson hopefully on how not
to be.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
So look, getting back to your book and UAPs that
amazing discussion, Thank you, thank you. As far as the book,
I was really impressed. And you've mentioned before about remote viewing,
and it seems like a very controversial topic. You know,
as soon as you start getting into any discussions of
consciousness or something that's not in nuts and bolts. It's

(49:16):
called the WU for a lot of reasons. We even
had I watched a full interview with Joe mcmonagall and
he's been an amazing remote viewer. He was talking about
seeing describing ancient structures on Mars and connections to Earth's pyramids,
and he was actually hired by the CAA. I couldn't

(49:37):
believe it, because once you start looking into this stuff,
you see that actually the CI did.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
He was he was hired by the CI. We had
remote viewers doing that, and in fact, there's there's some
very interesting things where we were doing. There was some
remote viewers looking at a Russian submarine, remote viewing and
a remote view to a UFO tracking it like basically
shadowing aaa Russian submarine. There's been a long interest by

(50:03):
our intelligence apparatus in the topic of UAP and has
been for a very very long time. And that's one
of I think the biggest revelations over the last couple
of years is that you know, this is not new.
We've been dealing with this for a very long time,
and we have been dealing with things that seem quote
unquote paranormal at the time, but have been substantiated to
yield real results. And I'll tell you to share a

(50:25):
story with you that I've been recently sharing about about
how do we change our paradigm because we are a
species that suffers from the consequences of hubris all the time.
And if there's one thing we've learned a lesson here
is that most of the time we're wrong. The first
time we look at a topic, we're usually wrong about it.

(50:46):
And so when as most anthropologists will agree, as an example,
modern human beings, Homo sapien sapien has been around roughly
between the last two hundred and four hundred thousand years,
and so if you take a twenty four hour clock,
it was really only in the last maybe ten minutes
or so of our existence, towards the stroke of midnight

(51:08):
about two thousand years ago, we met we realized the
two fundamental life forms on this planet. And it was
the Greeks that basically suggested you are either a plant
or you are be an animal. And it wasn't until
maybe the last fifteen seconds ten seconds of our existence

(51:28):
during the Renaissance, roughly three hundred and fifty years ago,
that we realized there was this other form of life
that's been on this planet all along, that is neither
plant nor animal, and it was the world of fungus.
And so we all, as I've said before, we kind
of tap ourselves on the shoulder and say, what clever
little monkeys we are. And yet it was the last
second and a half of our existence. Think about this,

(51:50):
in the last one hundred and twenty years, that we
actually discovered the true alpha, the true dominant life form
on this planet that's been here all along. And in fact,
if you take all the biomass of every plant, and
all the biomass of every animal, and all the biomass
of every fungus and add it all up together, it

(52:10):
still doesn't add up to the biomass of this hidden
life form that's been here all along. And it wasn't
until we had the technology to curve glass and put
it in a little metal tube and famously shout the words,
little beastis, Little beastis, then we discover the world of microorganisms,
and in fact, a form of life that is so
pervasive it is inside every human being. It comprises of

(52:31):
who we are and what we are. It survives in
areas that we thought were completely inhospitable to life, areas
such as like the skin of the ISS space station,
where the radiation is incredibly high. It survives miles beneath
the crushing depth of the Arctic ice. It is everywhere,
and so we're always learning something new. We're always having

(52:52):
to redefine our paradigm and our existence, what it means
to be human. So is it really that far fetch?
Could it be that these uap are actually just as
normal to Earth as we are. Maybe we're just at
a point where technologically we begin to interact, We can
begin to interact with them. Maybe they've been from under
the oceans this entire time, and we're just now beginning

(53:13):
to realize what these things are. Maybe they are from
outer space. But this is why I've always said that,
you know, we have to keep all options on the
table until they're no longer on the table. Maybe they're
from outer space, innerspace or the space in between. Maybe
they're hyperdimensional. We are now realizing, through certain models of
quantum mechanics that it's quite possible that there are other realities,

(53:38):
other dimensions that exists. And so when we go back to,
you know, looking at the CIA and its use of
remote viewing and some of these other capabilities, it's really
not that far fetched. We have seen the Russians when
they were developing in the sixties seventies what they call
their psychotronic Weapons development programs, where they were trying to

(54:01):
enhance remote viewing capabilities and even delve into the to
the idea of telekinesis. These were funded programs by other
foreign governments that were real programs that arguably may have
yielded some results. So yeah, sometimes, you know, sometimes the
truth can be stranger than fiction.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Yeah, it makes me think of two points. The first
is it was Antoine von Lewinhook in sixteen eighty three,
really that I think said these are the micro animals.
Actually it was Robert Hook before that, but he hadn't
confirmed him as animals. So if you think about it
sixteen eighty three, you know, doctors didn't start washing their

(54:44):
hands till two hundred years later, till they ate late
late eighteen hundreds, so they could see the little animals,
they could see the microscopic life. In the sixteen eighties,
but it took.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
It pretty felosious. Yeah, we didn't people were being We
thought up until until this last century that tuberculosis was
was something that people got genetically right and didn't realize
that it's actually an airborne uh via aerosol uh you know,
micro organism.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
There was an And that brings me to another amazing thought.
A statement you've said that really stuck in my mind
is you had the sailors of old you know, when
they go out and they'd see some some sea beast
and didn't know what it was. And I actually last
week I was lucky enough. We went to spring break.
We went to the Azores and we went out on
a boat and I.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Thought, az Hors is gorgeous. You lucky guy, It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Yeah, from I live in Portugal, so it's it's an
easy uh uh cheap light out there. But was lucky
enough to see a blue whale. Actually there was two
next to each other, and that's that's why we went.
I really wanted to see it show my family, you know,
if we had the chance, and I swear it looked
exactly like a purple sea serpent, you know, because they
come up quickly they're not there long, and it's just

(56:00):
this giant purple the largest animal that's ever lived on Earth,
and it looks like a sea serpent, and it's gone,
you know, so I could completely I just when I
saw that, it was an amazing experience, and I thought
of that statement you've made where you know, in the
past sailors thought it was sea serpents and then they learn, hey,
this is just a part of life, a part of

(56:20):
earth life.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
That's right, our new exc I mean, if you have
very average scuba diver, like like I am. I mean,
if you want to see an alien, look at an octopus.
I mean, wow, you know, talk about a life form
that doesn't fit really any mold. Yeah, it's a lot
of it is is is our interpretation of things. And
again it's our ignorance that light leads us down these

(56:42):
these these false trails and these false conclusions. But at
the end of the day, it's really just part of
our our new our new understanding, our new our new paradigm, right,
our new reality. And it's not really sea monsters, it's
just nature. Uh, And and we can understand them and
study them now, whereas before we could just sit back
and mark and speculate.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Final question, Lou, you know I'm back in twenty twenty two.
I believe you said the kind of a famous line,
you know, come back in five years, which would bring
us to twenty twenty seven. I know you're going into
the skiff with Christopher Mellan and David Grush if you
can get a security clearance.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Has that come out already?

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Yeah? I saw. I don't know, man, I can't hide anything. Well,
at least I thought it was public knowledge.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Now I mean obviously it is so, but yes, you're right,
Please continue. I'm sorry I digress.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
So I guess you know, can you give us any
insight or insight into what you think will happen? You know,
will we get some sort of amazing you know, path
towards disclosure this year or next year? Do you think
twenty twenty seven is a.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Year, Well, it's every year. Is the year. There's things
happening every year, and depending on you know, what you're expecting,
some people they're never going to get what they want.
Other people have already gotten the confirmation that they were
looking for. I've said before that disclosure is a process.
It's a lengthy process, takes a lot of real hard

(58:14):
work to it, and it's not just show voting and
telling everybody that you're doing something behind the scenes and whatnot.
If you notice, I tend to be rather quiet about
what we do on the Hill and what we do
with the administration and those officials, because it's really about results.
It's not about taking credit for things. There's a lot
of people out there in this UFO community that love

(58:36):
to take credit, and most of them take credit for
things they're not even responsible for. They take credit for
stuff that we're doing. But I think it's important that
these conversations happen that we're having on Capitol Hill, because ultimately,
it's not my job to tell the American people the truth.
It's the government's job to help to tell the American

(58:57):
people the truth. And so this is why I do
what I do. I'm trying to help that process in
a way where people don't have to hear it from me.
They can hear from Congress, they can hear from other mustleblowers,
they can hear from administration officials. Right. Think about when
Radcliffe came out and said that, yeah, these UAP are real,
there's something to it. Right, This is the director of
National Intelligences. Now, by the way, the director of the CIA,

(59:19):
you have a lot of people like that in administrations
making statements like that. You know, ten years ago that
would have been unheard of. Nobody would have they said, Man,
if I heard that before, that would have been disclosure.
We're done. But I think people are used to now
this conversation evolving and it's becoming more and more accepted.
So I think people are expecting more and more. Right,

(59:41):
It's kind of like it's almost like that dopamine hit.
I want to see another video, I want to see
another report. Well, at the end of the day, it's
really not about more videos. It's not about more reports.
I know that satisfies the idle curiosity of a lot
of people, but at the end of the day, that's
not what takes this topic and pushes it over the line.
It's getting people that were involved in the Legacy program

(01:00:03):
to to become completely forthcoming and transparent with Congress, which
therefore they can then translate to the American people and
provide that information the way it's supposed to work. Right.
So that's that's kind of kind of what we're doing
and why we're doing it, and I'm working with organizations
like a UAPDF UAP It's basically it's a it's a

(01:00:26):
disclosure fund to help pay for people's travels so they
can go to and from whistleblowers and talk to Congress.
And I'm also working with quite well with with Ryan
Grave's organization. I'm not really integra integrally involved in it,
but I'm a huge supporter of what he's doing with
the Americans for Safe Aerospace. You know, he's like you,

(01:00:49):
He's a former fighter pilot and decided, you know, take
the talk conversation to the streets and do something about
it and be an activist. I applaud him for that.
You know, he's in the same category as Dave Favor
and Alex due can Chat Underwood and the other two individuals,
which I Don'm not sure if they're comfortable with me
saying their name, so I won't. But there's there's countless
of people like that, patriots that want to do the

(01:01:09):
right thing and are actually making a difference. And by
the way, don't look now, but you're part of that
category yourself. You know, you've gotten fair share of You've
been beaten up a lot for expressing your views on
this topic just like I have. And yet here you
are right, you're still doing it. So you know, when
you stop doing it, that's when they win. So you know,

(01:01:32):
I don't know if I answered your question, but that's
that's what we're doing, Capitol Hill. That's really our primary motivation.
Getting into a classified environment allows us to speak a
little bit more freely. Obviously, there's still some concerns considerations,
because just because your security clearance doesn't mean you have
the right read ons, does mean you ow the need
to know, doesn't mean you have all these other things.

(01:01:52):
And you have to go back to the Reginal Classification
Authority of the OCA and say, hey, can these people
be briefed into it? Half the time they say no,
they can't. It's just kind of this this tug of war,
bureaucratic tug of war and give and take, and so
finally you settle on Okay, you can say this, but
you can't say that, and that's kind of where they
draw the lines. And then once you say that or
you say this, then over time you can start pushing

(01:02:14):
those boundaries. Right, well, they already know this, so can
we talk about maybe this other category? And that takes
you know, a lot of a lot of discussions, and
I think Dave Brush is going to be very helpful
in this. He has a lot of institutional knowledge. You know.
The way he was treated after he came became public
was terrible, same way they treated me, and it wasn't

(01:02:38):
fair and unjust. So I'm glad to see David finally
in a position that he deserves and he earned. I
think he is going to be a great credit and
service to the American people. But with that said, we
still have rules we have to play by. Just because
Dave Brush is there, just because I'm up in a skiff,
doesn't mean that everything is going to be said all

(01:02:59):
at once. It doesn't work that way, especially when you're
in the room with other elements of the US government
as well. I'm not going to say who they might be,
you know, you have to. You have to consider what
their equities are. There's no way around it. You have to.
And so that's kind of that's kind of the process.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
I'd like to say that thank you so much for
all that you've done, though I know, least speaking for
myself and many people in my audience, we really appreciate it,
and I love that hat too. Thank you for wearing
that hat.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Yeah, you know, I'm I am unapologetically patriotic. That's I
can't help it. Man, I am who I am. You're
not going to see me in a in a Valentino
suit or VERSACEI suit. I'm more of a jeans and
a fruit of the loom T shirt kind of guy,
you know, kind of wear a suit. Yeah, but this
is this is who I am. And I appreciate what

(01:03:56):
you're doing, and I really appreciate your audience. You've got
a great audience. I would encourage you to continue to
pursue this topic and talk to some of the other
people that are doing incredible work in this arena. I
cannot and will not take the credit for things that
other people have been responsible for, people like Chris Mellon.
There's some attorneys that are working very hard behind the

(01:04:17):
scenes to try to untangle some of the more complex
national security legal issues. You've got some wonderful, wonderful human beings,
and then you've got some very brief people in Congress
right now that are willing to put their political careers
on the line for this topic. So people like Luna
and Burshad and Burlison, and on the Senate side, of course,

(01:04:38):
Marco Rubio and Senator Rounds and even Schumer and folks
like that. This is a bipartisan issue, and it really is,
and we're even seeing that even on the House side. Again,
I'm not going to kiss and tell specifically you know
who I'm referring to, but there's a lot of synergy
and support to have greater transparency into this topic. And

(01:05:01):
I think there might even be a willingness now in
certain elements of our government to maybe start sharing some
of what they know and what they knew in the past.
And I'm very encouraged by that. I think that's I think,
that's that's great. I think, I think, I think the
I think the home team is winning here, and I
expect a lot more in the way of revelations in

(01:05:24):
the near term.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Okay, thank you so much, Lou, thanks your time, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Thank you, thank you for your great audience and appreciating big, big,
big hats off to your staff there. They were wonderful
to meet in person. I was very surprised that they
showed up, but it was very nice and so please
pass on my my regards as well to them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Without a doubt. All right, thank you. Here were you
guys surprised by Lou's greatest threat to humanity? That it
is corruption? I wasn't actually, although it was a little
at the time, but thinking back on it, and I said,
I was disappointed as a parent, but I think it's
the reverse. I'm actually a disappointed kid in the organization

(01:06:11):
that created me, you know, and basically was created by America,
went through twenty four years of intense military training, and
I believed it, you know, integrity first, service before self
excellence and all we do. And I just feel like
it hasn't been reciprocated and I would love to see
some actual integrity first from our government in these institutions.

(01:06:32):
So thanks for all your support. Please go to patreon
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