They Found a Hidden Chamber — Egypt Denies Everything | Trevor Grassi Interview - Lehto Files - Investigating UAPs

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do you know about the Osira's shaft, how they've got
a I you did right? Do you know that they
use this tomographic No?

Speaker 2 (00:09):
No, I am the one who found it.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
This is no.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
I understand you found it, but they also discovered it.
They showed that it exists using the same technique.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
No, no, this is wrong, this is not true at all.
I can tell you how I found that. I tell
you how can I find that shot?

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Saying that you didn't find it. It's under the papers
signature aperture radar Doppler tomography by Filippo Bondi. And if
you scroll down, Jamie, you'll see an image, and this
image is of the Osiris shaft, which shows that they
got an accurate depiction of that from space. That's not sat.

(00:50):
It's not true. So what are you saying that they're lying?

Speaker 2 (00:52):
They're lying here lying.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
But if they're showing using these techniques things that we
know that you discovered that absolutely exists.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Now, these techniques, as I told you, scientists said that
these techniques cannot show six hundred feet under the pyramid.
The Osari shaft that they found was only fifty feet.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
And it's showing at least for fifty feet that this
is accurate. What makes you believe those scientists rather than
these guys from Italy.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Because because the scientists are scientists, for these are scientists
as well. They are they are not showing their techniques carefree.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
They have not you mean they're not showing Take.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
The techniques that they said and show it to any scientist,
no one, No one can tell you this is accurate.
I I ask it. Every person who knows about tradear ultrasound.
All the people work with me the Scan Pyramid project,
they said, this is bullshit. It cannot happen at all.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
I am to say that technology works. Why because if
the people and the scientific community can spend just two
seconds to watch the structure of the tombob Osiris and
it's the correspective tomography, it's very clear that the technology works.

(02:21):
It's very clear because the tomography exactly to the structure
of the tomb Osiris. The only difference is that we
discover that the tomb goes straight in the deep of
the earth. It's two hundred meters down where there is
another chamber to you to investigate.

Speaker 5 (02:44):
That's too radically different takes on the same claim one
was from Egypt's most famous archaeologist, Sahi Hawas, and the
other was from a leading advocate of the radar tomography data,
so one of the Italian scientists. So what's really going
on with the Osiris shaft? To dig deeper? I spoke
with Trevor Grossi, a researcher who's been working directly with

(03:07):
the team behind the scans and who's been following this
story from the start.

Speaker 6 (03:12):
Why are you preventing further research from taking place when
we at least clearly have enough evidence to suggest it
requires an on site investigation. It's obvious to everyone who
would be against that, whether they believe these scans or not.
We have the anomalies, we have GPR views of these

(03:32):
entrances into the chambers.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
The Coffer projects showing us.

Speaker 6 (03:35):
Now, I'll tell you something that I haven't said publicly
at all yet, but I brought my owner scope last trip.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
And I did.

Speaker 6 (03:47):
Along the entire Sphinx causeway.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
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Trevor Grassi he's an independent researcher. He's spent nearly two
decades investigating the underground mysteries of Giza. He's also visited
over one hundred ancient sites across a dozen countries. He's

(05:24):
worked closely with civil engineer Bill Brown on ground penetrating
radar scans at Giza and is currently producing the Secret
Underworld of Giza documentary series. So while Trevor isn't directly
involved in the specific sar tomography controversy, I think you're
definitely attached to it. So you know, he's been exploring

(05:46):
these underground claims from the ground level. Literally when we
were just talking to BEYONDI actually showed up and they
were talking about actual videos on the ground around Giza.
So I think Trevor's working with this for or so
he's been down in the tunnel's worked with the radar
data and has a unique perspective. So this is some
some behind the scenes content.

Speaker 6 (06:08):
Yeah, absolutely, there is a lot of content context behind
this that could be I think very interesting to a
lot of the patrons. And I want to thank you
too for making a great film about this when everyone
was going crazy over it. And yeah, like we've been
talking about, nobody really has much of an idea that
there's a lot of disinformation and ideas being thrown around

(06:32):
at there. But yeah, you know, I have worked with
like Bill what he's been doing for twenty years there,
he was doing GPR scan. So we're talking on the ground,
actual ground penetrating radar. But so much of what we
have done already correlates with what the Coffer Project is
doing now, so happy to talk about a little bit.

Speaker 7 (06:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
I actually had a video all scripted and ready to
record and everything, and then I ended up doing the
GfK files. But it was on the Osiris shaft, you know,
because I was I was amazed. Again we were talking before,
like all these people that have no authority or no
knowledge on any of this stuff say it can't be possible.

(07:15):
So this scan which came from the end of their
initial press conference, you know, the the fifteen March press conference,
and then Rogan brought it up with Zahi Hawas. That's
I was so stoked to have that interview with Beyond
dey Man. It was the timing was just amazing. When
Hawass is on there saying it's bullshit and they're they're

(07:38):
completely lying, just these amazing claims that then and Rogan's like,
but what about the Osiris shaft?

Speaker 6 (07:45):
You know, you know, he kept saying like, well, they
scanned it, and Zahi ke keeps going, I discovered it,
I found and Rogan is just trying to say not
that they discovered the Assire's chef, but that they used
as is proof of the method, and Zadi's just not
getting it. And yeah, besides the fact that Zahi did

(08:09):
not discover the Ossire's cheft, you know, Slim Hassan, a great,
great Egyptologist, he discovered it back in nineteen thirty three.
It was known about in ancient history, but it was
Slim Hassan who discovered it. And then it was other
friends of mine who discovered the third part, the third level.
And I'm going to get into very deep into the

(08:32):
Osire's Chef very soon in a couple different films, actually
one whole film just about that and the people who
originally discovered the sarcophagus on the third level. And then yeah,
it's also going to be in this film I'm getting
ready to release, hopefully this weekend.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
It's going to be.

Speaker 6 (08:51):
A whole full documentary about the Copper project and all
the evidence that people aren't seeing yet, contradicting all these
critics who are trying to bring arguments that meet nothing,
and like you say, people are out there being like this,
this can't happen.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
It's impossible.

Speaker 6 (09:08):
You can't even do that with say, are there's no
way you could adapt it, even they have no clue
what they're talking about.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Meanwhile, we're seeing it working right before our.

Speaker 6 (09:16):
Eyes, and the other Irish shaft here is just one
of the examples to show that. So it's it's getting
comical that people are still denying it when they're seeing
it work.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
And that's why I guess I'm not concerned. You know,
if the technology is is real, and it certainly looks
that way, then it'll just continue like it'll be, it'll
be proven out as true. And that's kind of the
impression I got just talking with Beyondy for those first
few minutes, just a few minutes. Is he didn't he

(09:47):
seemed overtasked. Obviously, it seems like this a ton of
stuff going on, But it's him like working, you know,
like working through more examples.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
And yeah, well, I don't think he's very worried about it.

Speaker 6 (09:59):
I think all all of us on the inside close
to it really know that time is going to tell,
you know, these people are going to figure it out eventually.
But he doesn't have to worry about that. He's not
trying to protect any illusion here. He's got the truth
and the truth can stand on its own, it doesn't really,
you know. So yeah, I think he's calm, but he's

(10:20):
also very overwhelmed.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
You know. They've got so much. I know because I'm
giving them half that. You know.

Speaker 6 (10:25):
People are coming through me to be like, can you
invite the guys to this conference or to an interview
or different things, And I'm sending him all these offers,
the whole team, you know, and I can tell that
it's been harder for them to get back to me
quick more recently. They're getting swamped and flooded with so much,

(10:46):
so many different things to take care of, I know.
But yeah, I think they're very confident, you know, that
it's going to stand on its own.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Especially you know.

Speaker 6 (10:54):
One of the things is everyone's being like, how did
they get from this image to this whole model? And
people are red and saying two or three of these
scans of the interior of the Coffer pyramid specifically from
the original project abstract, and saying like, how did they
build this whole model? People are not realizing this is
one of the most foolish, you know, challenges to bring

(11:16):
to it because obviously they're not saying they built these
models based on these two pictures, which were a sample
that they originally showed, and like he just told us
both a couple of minutes ago, they well, like he
said in the interview with Jay Anderson, he said, we're
working with about two hundred tomographies, tomographic lines, two hundred

(11:41):
angles and images to build those models. So he said,
like what they've revealed so far is about five percent
of the actual scan.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Images that they have.

Speaker 6 (11:51):
You know, none of us have seen how much data
they're working with, and I know that the all so
many more of these scan images will be presented it
alongside their models when they come out with their written
report about it, which Flipo had said in my interview
he said, this would be out probably by June or July,

(12:12):
but we'll have to see because again he's so busy.
So they're working really hard on this and they're going
to have a lot more stuff coming out soon.

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(12:41):
scammed Pyramids? Like, do you know any of the guys
on the team?

Speaker 3 (12:44):
And I know doctor Hawas not personally.

Speaker 6 (12:51):
We are going to be meeting this year and we
are going to be talking with them, and we are
going to be actually Beyondy and Armando May and myself
at least, They're going to be speaking at a conference
with doctor Hawas in September in Dubai.

Speaker 7 (13:08):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
This is a pretty big one that was only just released.

Speaker 6 (13:12):
The poster for this actually came out the same day
as his Rogan interview, which was really wow, what a synchronicity,
because Joe Rogan actually forced Sahi to say basically, he
was like, well, what if you could talk to them?
Would you talk to them? Would you speak to the
Copper Project?

Speaker 7 (13:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (13:29):
And Haas basically had to say, sure, okay, yeah I would.
But I don't think he realized, I mean he did
realize he signed up for this, you know conference we're
doing it's called the Galactic Discoveries Exchange in Dubai September, oh, no,
November eighth through ninth, And so this came out the

(13:52):
very same day he ended up saying I would speak
to them. And another mutual friend of mine and Hawas
is going to be there, Elena Dennan, who he has
worked with in Egypt. She spent nine years basically working
in Egypt from the nineties, And yeah, we have a
very unique opportunity to speak with him about that. But

(14:15):
you know, technically he is at the head of the
Scan Pyramids project, and the Scan Pyramids project has been
working for a decade already. You know, I was in
the Great Pyramid in the subterranean chamber seeing their scan
equipment running. It was like these huge machines. You know,
most of it's not machinery, it's just plates that are

(14:36):
sensors picking up the mulons that moved through the stone.
But yeah, we were in there when they were doing
all this work. I was there with doctor Robert Shock,
geophysicist geologist, doctor Robert Shock who analyzed all the subsurface
streat of the Sphinx, analyzed all the precipitation induced weathering

(14:57):
on the Sphinx courtyard, did all this work with on
Anthony West, who was my first real friend and teacher,
got me a guide for me as I first started
learning all of this. So I've been following Shock forever
and he's one of the people to ask, you know,
when it comes to geology and stone. As I'm saying, like,

(15:17):
how accurate are the Muon scans? Is that really going
to give us an idea of everything that's left? But
the fact is the Scamp Pyramids team has come up
with practically nothing over ten years, using not only Muon scanning,
but thermal imaging and like these X ray type, all
different remote sensing technologies that you can use from the ground,

(15:40):
and with all of these techniques that are literally just
showing us at the end these two hazes and owns
that have some they're not even showing us the orientation,
the size, shape, location. They're giving us very rough idea,
this big void over the Grand Gallery and this hazy
zone of the north Face corridor, which finally they did

(16:03):
get the endoscope footage of which you covered very well
and you know, describing how before twenty twenty three, the
north Face Corridor was, according to the Scan Pyramids team,
this amorphous blob of area that could have something empty
up or down or over. They didn't know the size, shape,

(16:24):
you know, exact location, but as you pointed out, it
wasn't the Coffer project, but two of them, at least
Coroto and Flipo before Armando joined them. They gave us
these perfect like measurements in meters, these you know, how
big it was, that it was square, that it was
coming straight back. They gave us all these details, and

(16:45):
you're one of the only people who really acknowledged and
gave him credit for that.

Speaker 5 (16:50):
I think that was one of my questions, was to ask,
because I didn't know if there was communication, like did
Filipo and Cororado did they did they know there was
a small quarter there? I guess I wanted to get
the intel, like you just said, I didn't have the
background intel and how much they knew. I knew they
didn't endoscope it until February twenty three, and that Filipo's

(17:12):
paper came out in October twenty two. But I was
curious if there was like chatter among the teams, you know,
like they use their GPR so they knew there was
some quarter back there, or was it like you said,
like it's this nebulous blob and then all of a sudden,
Filipo just nails it down as this two meter you
know by two meter quarter.

Speaker 6 (17:35):
Yeah, I mean they were watching the Scamp Pyramids team,
I'm sure. And if the Scam Pyramids team had come
out with something real before then, they were already years
into their project and they had said, there's maybe this
thing behind the SHD runs here, but we don't really
know what it is.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (17:52):
I imagine Felipo and Crodo just got sick of waiting
and being.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Like, come on, guys.

Speaker 6 (17:57):
And you know, they might not have bothered doing all
this if they had actually gotten results, you know, seen
results from the Scam Pyramids project. But after all these
years with nothing, they were just like, all right, well,
we've got a brilliant new technology that can do this.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Let's show the world what's really inside the Great Pyramid.

Speaker 6 (18:15):
And of course, when you have the Ministry in charge
of a project Hawas at the head of it these
you know, it's a cooperation between the University of Cairo
and a couple Japanese universities.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
The Scam Pyramids team is so that kind of thing.
When it's an.

Speaker 6 (18:33):
Official project, it has to go through the official channels
of the Ministry. They're going to censor the reports, they're
gonna hut down as much as they can out of
it at first at least, and if they ever plan
on releasing any parts of what they've really understood, they're
going to do it very gradually and say okay, here's
one more piece and wait a year. And they want

(18:53):
to slowly trickle it out so they can get more
continuous booms to the tourism. And you know, if they
are willing to share any of it, they'll do it
very slowly. And you know, this is why circumventing that
entire system is what allowed the Italian team to drop

(19:14):
this like it's hot back in twenty twenty two and
be like, hey, we found it all.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
We didn't need permission.

Speaker 6 (19:22):
You know, this is for you know, if you it's
not like they didn't try to work with the ministry.
They did send their information to the current minister at
that time.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
They didn't get responses.

Speaker 6 (19:34):
You know, it's expected the ministry is not interested in
anyone who's not working through their system that they can
control and make sure the media is what they wanted
to be. So you know, a few rogues coming in
from another country that don't need on site access, that

(19:54):
are academically trained, you know, real scientists, but independence who
who are willing to just go for it and say, look,
we don't need the on site permission, we don't need
the permit.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Here it is world. This is what we're seeing.

Speaker 6 (20:08):
We're using free data from these great you know, Capella
Space and Umbra giving away the SAAR data for free.
So yeah, basically all they had to put in was
their own time and their own energy to do this project,
which you know, they've given years to this and they
are giving it to the world for free. So they

(20:29):
absolutely just smashed the you know, Scam Pyramids team right
out of the water. There's no comparison. You know, after
ten years they've given us two hazy zones to look at.
The Cough project gave us twenty well defined structures within
the Great Pyramids that no one has ever seen, including
the two that the Scam Pyramids showed, but in much

(20:51):
greater detail.

Speaker 5 (20:52):
Well that was amazing because the endoscoped it. Have any
of the other interior areas been confirmed data that they
said or even consider.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Well, that's part of it.

Speaker 6 (21:04):
Like, you know, for one thing, they said they didn't
have to harm the pyramid in any way to get
that endoscope in there, which means why wouldn't they have
done that years ago or decades ago? Endoscopes are out
of new technology. What or did they do it a
long time ago? Did they already know? You know, that's

(21:26):
something to consider as well. But you know, have they
had that endoscope footage before and didn't want to release
until they had to and were just playing that they
didn't really know what it looked like.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Maybe not.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
But what's really important was when they released that press
conference right in front of the pyramids and Zahi got
up on stage and he said, this is what he said.
He said, there's one part in the floor that was
not stone and that could be continuously escavated. So he
said there was you know, at least one escavatable material.

(21:58):
That means there's a can continued path from the north
Face corridor. And for one thing, how does he know
that if they haven't actually been inside. I couldn't see
anything indianniscote footage that indicated a dirt spot or a
sand or something that could be cleared out. So, first
of all, how did he know that without them actually

(22:18):
being inside? Second of all, he basically said back then
that we could expect within months to be seeing additional
chambers past that point.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
So we're going on years.

Speaker 6 (22:33):
Now, but still nothing, nothing more about that. In fact, ah,
he's diverting our tension down to Luxor, to his new
Golden city, things that are being discovered in other places.
And yeah, I'm still waiting for him to answer. He said,
within months, we could probably be you know, finding way
he's calling potentially the Tomb of Cufu because he's still

(22:57):
on this tomb idea. But yeah, we think the Tomb
of Kufu is somewhere around there, but it's not going
to be inside the pyramid, so yeah, I don't know.
He told us that we could expect to get into
further spaces through the North Face Corridor within months. Those
were his words in twenty twenty three. So I'm still waiting.

(23:19):
You know, this happens often. This happened with the Assire
Shaft as well. When he went in there, you know,
he took over the whole third level, saying it was
the greatest discovery of his life, when really it was
it was Slim Hassan originally, and then it was Boris
Aid and jj Hrtek really responsible for the expedition that

(23:40):
found a lot of what was on the third level.
And that's something I'll explain to some of my films soon.
But you know, that's another example. When he went in there,
he took over, you know, the escavate, the entire project
at the bottom, and there's this this mud tunnel we
call it, leading out from the third level and after
a little ways it splits off in two. And the

(24:01):
only person who has ever documented that tunnel and publicly
revealed it is Richard Gabriel, who I'm working with my
film Revealing NC two and he's working with Bill and I.
He's one of the three of us who we've just
been really diving deep trying to get real evidence and documentation.
But he actually went into that tunnel, photographed it, took

(24:25):
note of the angles in the direction it was going.
No one has done that at all except Zahi said.
You know, he sent in a young boy, like a
really a small child, so to see how far he
could crawl in. And then after that he brought in
the Japanese university to do an endoscope test of these
mud tunnels from the third level, and they went way

(24:48):
way deep down into these tunnels, like I don't we
don't know from that.

Speaker 5 (24:53):
Is that from the osirishaft. You mean like a third
level from.

Speaker 6 (24:55):
Here, Yeah, right from that third level there the tunnels
come at the side. Yeah, they'd never been documented. And
then the Japanese endoscope footage, which went we don't know,
fifty meters one hundred meters.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
It went pretty deep down.

Speaker 6 (25:10):
I don't really know exactly how far, but it ended
up breaking into this little cave structure.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
But even that, the footage never came out.

Speaker 6 (25:21):
Hawa never released a report, He never told us anything
more about it, and it's like, why why not? We
got Richard Gabriel going in there, crawling, cramming himself into
this skinny little tunnel as far as he could go
to document it. But he's the only one who's ever
done that. So yeah, that's why Richard's one of my friends.

(25:41):
And that's why I'm not expecting Zahi to come forward
with the reports he promised, because he hasn't done it
in the past. When he does get to the bottom
of these things, we end up just sitting here waiting, like,
where's that, where's that next announcement you said we'd get
He's going back to the air shafts and diverting attention
to other things. It's like you said, within months we'd

(26:03):
see more.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
Is he still in charge? I thought there was a
new guy in charge, and.

Speaker 7 (26:09):
So he.

Speaker 6 (26:12):
Has not had an official position within the ministry since
twenty eleven when he was fired and arrested.

Speaker 7 (26:19):
Really, man, I don't know any of this town.

Speaker 6 (26:22):
That's officially what happened, and it was because of being
caught up in some artifacts being sold like illegally.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
He got in trouble for.

Speaker 6 (26:32):
That, and yet he still retains power. How does that work? Well,
it's unofficial forms of power. He has things over people
in the ministry. No one in the Council of the
Ministry who gives permission for the permits is going to
go against him, basically. But yeah, there was Mustavo Wazii

(26:56):
took over as the head of the ministry and then
he actually got kicked out. And I'm not actually I can't.
I'm not actually sure who technically is the head of
the ministry right now. But Wazeri was there until a
year a couple of years ago maybe, But yeah, I
don't know. He is not Hawas has not had official

(27:17):
power for a long time within the ministry.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
He gets all these.

Speaker 6 (27:20):
Projects and he's the head of all the projects. But yeah,
that's been since twenty eleven, he has not been the
Minister of Antiquities or the titles keep changing. It became
the Supreme Council of Antiquities, which he was the Minister
of or something, and then they've changed the name now

(27:42):
it's the Ministry of Antiquities and Tourism officially. So yeah,
it's the way the power works is. It's more through
unofficial channels than official ones. It's about who, you know,
It's about who has dirt on who, who has blackmail
you know, who's got the endorsements of the afias and
secret societies, and who's playing ball with the people that

(28:04):
are going to allow them to get you know, be
basically understood to be as someone who can control the
narrative in the way that the people up in the
top want it to look. That's pretty much and Zah
he's always played that role. He's always gotten these contracts
with National Geographic and Smithsonian and things because he does

(28:27):
a job of maintaining what kind of information comes out.
You know, if he suddenly went against the timeline that
the mainstream academia wants to keep in place, they would
destroy and it just destroy his reputation. They would threaten him.

(28:48):
You know, it's a cutthroat game in there.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
It's like.

Speaker 6 (28:54):
Very complex mix of people within good people within the
ministry too, you know. I'd like to make a point
of saying that that even very high up, even in
some of these Egyptian royal families and high in the government,
there are actually good people, some of them who know
us and are working with us and want to help us.
So that's part of the shifting dynamic of what's going

(29:17):
on in the ministry and in the government that's potentially
going to make this possible for us. There are some
things we can do now without Pasi's permission, but for
the most part, if we want to get the official
permit to work where we want to work, we will
need to either have him sign off on it or

(29:37):
circumvent his ability to block it, because he has been
the one blocking our permit basically for the last few
years that we've been trying to get. But there are
other reasons as well. We haven't really had the money
upfront to show, which is a pretty important part of it.
You have to have the money to present with the application.
So hopefully a few of those things are shifting this year,

(30:00):
and we are very close now to getting our permit
to work in some of the places you can see
in secret Underworld of Giza.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
The locations we're working.

Speaker 6 (30:09):
On, which are technically two spots which are off the
eastern wall of the plateau, which also makes it a
little more possible. It's not technically within the plateau wall itself,
so we're looking at tunnels that come in from the
east from the village of naza elsam on there.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
So, yeah, when did you go with Robert Chalk.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
In twenty nineteen?

Speaker 6 (30:36):
I first met him in twenty eighteen, but I knew
of his work way back.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
You know.

Speaker 6 (30:41):
Two thousand and six was when I first met John
Anthony West, and I knew about Robert back then. So yeah,
it was actually at John west Memorial at his property
with his family that I first met Robert Schock. And
then the next year. I've been trying to save up
my money for for a dozen years at that point

(31:03):
because I wanted to go with John. Of course, I
wanted that to be my first trip. I knew that
he was the best of the best, and I knew
him personally, so there was you know, it was the
obvious choice, but I kind of saved up enough money
to do a trip just as he got sick and
passed in twenty eighteen, and so Robert actually stepped up

(31:26):
and said, all right, I know so many of you
wanted to go with John and didn't get your chance,
and he said, I'll do a tour to Egypt next year.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
And this was with.

Speaker 6 (31:36):
ORACLE, which is an abbreviation of the Organization for the
Research of Ancient Cultures CEUL, and that involved a couple
other people Catherine ulyssi Shock's wife, and we went with
We had three Egyptian guides, Mohammed Ibrahim and a couple
of others under him.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
Cool. So he did the same tour I did, but
back in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Yeah, he released one.

Speaker 6 (32:02):
It sold out immediately, so he did a second one
after it that sold out immediately, and then he doubled
the occupancy of the second one and that sold out immediately,
and then one person canceled and there was a spot
for me. I got the very last seat on the
whole thing, so I got to go on the second
of the two. But it was an amazing tour, I mean,

(32:23):
two weeks with doctor Shock all over Egypt. Yeah, it's
something I do recommend if people are going to go
for their first time, save up the money and do
it with a group. Your second time, no, just go
just go rogue, just go free, you know, solo. But
your first time, not to worry about the language, the transportation,

(32:44):
the ticketing, the lodging, all of that stuff, food. Just
have it all taken care of. It's worth it to
get a panorama of the whole country and just be
able to focus on being in the temples, at the
pyramids and taking it all in with that stressing about anything.
I do recommend because you're also going to support whatever

(33:04):
researcher is hosting the trip. So I think it's a
great idea to go your first time at least save
up and do a real tour, because afterwards you're going
to have lists of Okay, I got to go back
to this temple, that temple. I'm going to need a
week over here, and yeah, you're going to be drawn
to it. If you're the kind of person like me,
if you just pulled to Egypt, you have to know

(33:27):
you have to find the truth. You have to see
it and experience it. You're never going to understand Egypt
from pictures and videos. You can get an idea, but
you'll never really feel what's going on there.

Speaker 7 (33:39):
It was so big.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
Yeah, I mean I was expecting like like in Europe,
you know, you go to an ancient site and they'll
be one wall, you know, and they're like, oh, here's
you know, the paintings from like fifteen hundred years ago
or something or the there's no hieroglyphics, but you know
a few statues. But then you go to Egypt and
it was like giant temples just covered with the stuff.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
You know.

Speaker 5 (34:04):
Everywhere you look is like, you know, our hieroglyphics, more statues,
more towers, and it's just amazing because it's so dry.
I guess it just keeps it perfectly. It never rains,
so it's just.

Speaker 7 (34:20):
Yeah, that was amazed.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Well, like compared to Greece even or things.

Speaker 6 (34:24):
It's like, you know, not to downplay any of these
other civilizations the game later, but they're all mimicking Egypt.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Everyone's trying to copy Egypt.

Speaker 6 (34:33):
Everyone's in the ancient world even you know that when
they want real wisdom, they're going to this source, which
is Egypt because it has these things you know, even
if things are carved so beautifully in other countries as well,
and Egypt, you're seeing it in these stones that you
can just visually, unconsciously at least tell these things are

(34:54):
extremely hard stones. The things that the Greeks did with marble,
for instance, the Egyptians have with granite.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
You know.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
Diaright, yeah, yeah, amazing statue is just the black diary
you say, diar write or is it dear right?

Speaker 6 (35:10):
I think it's either yeah, you know diaryct. Granted we're
talking seven to eight on the most scale. We're approaching
diamond here, you know, copper tools for instance there, I
think down in the two to three or four.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
It's like it's just insane when you say that that's
what carving Diar write or de Wright.

Speaker 6 (35:35):
And best all and you know, some of these stones.
It's just there must have been a reason for you.
I mean, the reason for one thing was that they
had this obsession with eternity and what they wanted to
set in stone.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Literally they wanted that to last forever.

Speaker 6 (35:51):
There was a reason for that, and there's a reason
why it's so mysterious that people who go back now
and you know, you just have this reaction to it,
whether or not you understand what's happening to you, at
least on a subconscious level and on an emotional and
vibrational level, these stones are actually interacting with your own

(36:13):
bodies field and making you feel. You know, whether or
not you understand what's going on, You're actually interacting with
the temple when you're inside of it, and it's changing
you in certain ways that are designed specifically to affect
your consciousness and to bring forward these emotional and spiritual
revelations and reactions.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
So like, and again I don't know, but I felt
like my teeth tingling in certain sites like the Step
Pyramid and in a few of the temples. I don't
know if just higher energy or something, or if I
was imagining that, but it's not normal.

Speaker 7 (36:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
And the value of the kings. When I walked inside
the Giant it's like whenever I'm in a giant limestone
structure or in or near Yeah, that was it near
the Step Pyramid. When i'me ember near a giant limestone
structure inside of it, it actually was weird. When I
went in the Step Pyramid, I felt nothing, and then
when I went back outside it was like I could

(37:12):
feel my teeth like ah angling again Like yeah, like
like I was cold, like it was out in cold
wind or something, but it wasn't.

Speaker 6 (37:22):
Well, there's actually, uh, there's there's what's called a vibrational
hospital or a frequency hospital.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
It's a healing center.

Speaker 6 (37:31):
That's it's kind of you know, if you have the
Joseph pyramid, the step pyramid.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
It's off to the side there.

Speaker 7 (37:37):
Yeah, it's like the fourteen.

Speaker 5 (37:38):
Lean your head in and do the the frequencies.

Speaker 6 (37:42):
There are these niches. You can stick your head into
some of them and it's like you can hum and
it'll reverberate back into your head and into your whole body.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
And these are you.

Speaker 6 (37:52):
Can there are different ways certain certain parts of that
area work.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
Some of them.

Speaker 6 (37:58):
There's one at least that you can stick your head
into and you don't have to make any sin to yourself.
You'll hear like it sounds like a jumbo jets flying
over all of a sudden.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
When you pull your head out, it's gone. You stick
your head back in.

Speaker 6 (38:11):
This is either something some vibrations coming up from the
planet naturally, or water moving underneath it perhaps or something
you're hearing this incredibly loud vibration that's coming from something
you don't have the source, but when you stick your
head in this hole, you hear it. And yeah, other
ones are like certain ones are tuned to specific frequencies.

(38:34):
It might be for specific diseases or you know, things
like that. Like today we know specific frequencies will wipe
out specific diseases, cancers, things like that.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
But it was considered to be a hospital. You know.

Speaker 6 (38:50):
I was walking through there with my friend Patricia Albijan,
who's you know, trained under Abdel Jakim al Yan, who's
a very respected elder past a decade or so ago.
But you know, he spoke a lot about this thing
and how it worked. Actually, he said, there's one area
it's kind of you know, might be not make sense

(39:12):
to some people, but the way it works. He's describing
that someone would lay it on the table in the front,
and then the healer would go in to these places
in behind it and actually somehow be able to see
what's going on in the body of the person lying
down on the table in order to help and run
frequencies through their body as part of the healing process,

(39:38):
which is very interesting to think about as well, but
I'm not describing that well enough to actually explain.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
But if I'm actually gonna put out.

Speaker 6 (39:48):
A video with Patricia when I was walking around there
with her and she was explaining it soon.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
And you can see that was just in November, right,
You were just there at the same time as me,
I guess, or maybe the week after.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (40:01):
Yeah, well you were there in I mean the first
two weeks in November.

Speaker 7 (40:06):
I was there one to twelve November.

Speaker 6 (40:09):
Oh okay, yeah, I was there last in November to
December of twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
But yeah, you went with JP Haig and russ coltheart.
That's yeah. I've been talking with JP a lot.

Speaker 6 (40:22):
He's been very supportive of our project and.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Russ colt Art as well.

Speaker 6 (40:29):
He's he's been open to trying to help us with
an interview at some point. We haven't set anything up yet,
but he said he's open to covering this story.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
So yeah, at the same time.

Speaker 5 (40:43):
Because my buddy, his dream is to go to Egypt,
and I've been pushing him and I got to talk
to him into getting his passport renewed and everything, and
he was looking for a trip and I said, I'm
planning I was doing, going to do Turkey in October
twenty six, and then it'll be Egypt in the spring.
I think it'd be so it was so fun as

(41:05):
a group, you know, like I didn't have to explain myself,
Like they knew more about UFOs and stuff than I did.
You know, a lot of them were like just up
to date, like addicts on the all the information, and
so I'd ask them, you know, oh what about this?

Speaker 7 (41:21):
It was really good.

Speaker 6 (41:22):
Yeah, I've ended up having some really good talks with
people on Egypt Tois about that stuff too, which is
is cool. But yeah, I'm working on setting up my
own tour there, hopefully soon. I've been working on it
for years. I have a dream tour and yeah, honestly,
Armando and Felipo have said they're open to setting up

(41:45):
something with me.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
We could do one together, which would be very cool.
But yeah, I'm not sure if it can work out
for this year or not. I could.

Speaker 6 (41:55):
I have two different guides that could possibly use for
November or just member of this year, but basically I'd
have to figure it out now. I'm trying to see
if it's possible. Otherwise we'll look at the spring or
next fall maybe, but it would be amazing to go
with those two guys, and probably Bill and Richard as

(42:16):
well from my you know films.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
That's my team.

Speaker 6 (42:20):
You know, it's like we're three, We're two different trios
that are are joining forces now between the Coffer Project
and you know, I've just been working with Bill and Richard.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
That we're in my films.

Speaker 6 (42:32):
But it would be cool to join them all up
and do a mega tour, you know, with add ons
to I want to I want to do a tour
that actually goes, for one thing, the main tour to
Amarna and to Fayoum, which almost no one goes to.
It's between the south and the North in this stretch
of the Nile that most people just fly to the

(42:53):
south and then fly back to the north. So theramids
are basically in the north and all the temples in
the south. But we're actually going to go by ground
along the Nile so that we can stop at Fayum
and Amarna, which are very important almost never included on
the tours, and then have an add on also at
least one to go into the western desert from Cairo,

(43:15):
which is really beautiful.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Either the oasis or the Seawell Oasis where you just
go out.

Speaker 6 (43:24):
Into I mean, we would be able to probably be
a smaller group as the after or before tour add on,
but you know, we'd be able to go and camp
with the bed wind in the desert, which is otherworldly.
It's amazing experience. So yeah, I'm working on a pretty
exciting tour. We'll see when it can come out. But

(43:44):
I might be able to join some other friends tours
this year at least, if not set up my own, but.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Lots of plans for that, so we'll see.

Speaker 5 (43:53):
Do you know what the what is the deal with
the they maintain the tomb story? You know, like I
didn't get any impress at all that any of the
pyramids were tombs.

Speaker 7 (44:02):
They didn't think.

Speaker 5 (44:04):
They haven't even found a body, right, I think they
found like one sarcophagus in a pyramid once.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
They've never found anyone. I mean, well, they.

Speaker 6 (44:16):
Did find these boxes in all three. Actually, sadly, the
one from Mencor's Pyramid was actually pulled out by Colonel
Howard Weiss in the eighteen hundreds and they shipped it
off to the British Museum and guess what, the ship sank.

Speaker 7 (44:33):
Ship wreck. Wow.

Speaker 6 (44:34):
The sarcophagus, the box that was in Mencorus Pyramid and
it's King's Chamber if you want to call it, that
gone bottom of the ocean, lost it on the British Museum,
and that one actually had these amazing inscriptions on it.
The a symbol that I call the Hall of Records
cliff because it's what's on the king topmost of forced

(44:57):
dream steel right in the sinks's front pause is this symbol,
and I think that ties into these archives or record
halls that were underneath, and there was clues to it,
you know, there was that same pattern shown on the
box that's now dropped. But I'm hesitant to call them
sarcophag guy, because I don't think that's really was their function.

(45:19):
It did play that role potentially in some sense, metaphysically
or metaphorically. But these things, these boxes, they had many functions.
They could heal you. You know, if you lay down in
the King's Chamber in that box, especially when the pyramid
was at full force, really put together and all the

(45:39):
components in place, I think you would have been healed
for one thing, of almost any disease just by laying
down in that box. For some time, and it was
also used for ritual initiations of the adepts and the
mystery schools. That's what it was. Really, it was a ceremony.

(46:00):
All you would go in there and you would basically
it's these boxes also I think serve as like psychic
enhancement or thought enhancements. They could enhance your own clairvoyant
faculties and abilities, so you know, they could be used

(46:20):
in essence to be training you in remote you know,
astral projection or remote viewing. That's part of what these
initiations were about, is basically training you and teaching you
what you are outside of your body, what your astral
form is. And this was part of the tests and
initiations is you know in according to one stories, I

(46:43):
don't even remember which, but I'd heard him at one
point that one of the tests would be you would
have to lay down in that box and the lid
that used to exist to it supposedly would be placed
over top it. You'd be pitch black sealed into that box,
and you'd have to report on things that were happening
in the far corners of Egypt from there in order

(47:04):
to prove that you could leave the body you could
separate yourself from the body and actually remote view projected out.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
So yeah, no, they're not tombs. You know, the idea
that the.

Speaker 6 (47:17):
Pyramids themselves are tombs is ridiculously absurdly outdated. I mean,
by the time I was born, they should have already
been over that long time ago. But it's not to
say that it has nothing to do with death. They
call it the Giza Necropolis. It does have something to
do with death. And the underworld of Giza is the

(47:40):
underworld that you're going to traverse after death.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
It's a physical replica.

Speaker 6 (47:45):
And you know, you have these underground pitch black labyrinths
all over the world, and the ancient Greek mysteries, the
Orphic and Eleusinian mysteries in Mexico, for instance, that Meetla.
There's another in Shove into Juan Tar in Peru, all
these poulteris around the world. Not only have these elaborate

(48:08):
underground mazes that you have to traverse in some of
these rituals initiations, but a lot of times there's also
patterns and motifs carved into the stone that are suggestive
of they're kind of psychedelic, you know, they're kind of
indicating the use of psychotropic plants, medicines, things as if

(48:34):
you were in you know, as if the intention is
for you to actually enter into a different state of consciousness,
go down underground and pitch black and solve this labyrinth
that you can't even see.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
If you think.

Speaker 6 (48:49):
About what could actually induce the state, the mental state
of comprehending what you are outside your body, it's beyond
something like a sensory deprivation chamber. You have to navigate
a labyrinth and pitch black, not seeing it, you know,
just feeling. It's a simulation of death essentially, and when

(49:11):
you pass through that, you end up learning something about
your own soul. So that's something globally present that all
these shamanic cultures, animistic religions of the world, they were
all doing things like that. And I think Giza is
kind of the master copy of that idea, that is
the ultimate underworld down there, and the pyramids were a

(49:34):
part of that process of bringing you through that whole
transition to understanding who and.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
What you really are.

Speaker 6 (49:40):
So yeah, there are hundreds of tombs at Giza underneath
the ground, but no, the three Pyramids are not tombs
and they never were there are many things, but tombs
is one of the only things they are not, I
would say, So that's my take, yeah, generally on it.

Speaker 7 (49:58):
That was definitely my impression. And going inside in.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
All the temples, you remember, they have like the woman
or man or god or whatever holding like a vial,
you know, and out of the vial be like some
some smoke or essence or something that could easily be
some sort of psychotropic.

Speaker 7 (50:17):
Drug. You know. Like that's kind of what I considered it.

Speaker 6 (50:21):
Well, I think, yeah, there were there were times where
we can find even some of these cups that have
remnants of certain chemicals in them, and we can definitely
say that there were substances like that used at least
at certain times in certain places with some of the
cults that were prevalent at the time. But also I think,

(50:44):
you know, for the most part, the Egyptians were doing
it in ways that didn't the earliest and the most
pure of the mystery schools.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
At the earliest.

Speaker 6 (50:52):
Times, I think it didn't necessarily involve drugs like that,
but probably more in later ages they were using substances
to enhance that ritual. But we know that at least
the acacia tree, for one thing was extremely revered by

(51:12):
the Egyptians, and that does have a very high DNT
content in it. The white and blue lotus both have
certain they've yeah, bordering on psychedelic hallucinogenic properties, but more
they just give energy and they give i'd call them,

(51:35):
I don't know, consciousness altering. I think it would be
fair to say that there they have certain properties like that,
but very powerful and pure kind of plants that were
considered extremely sacred. Some of them did have some of
these chemicals in them, so you have to fit that in.

(51:55):
But yeah, I think the ultimate goal of it was
to teach you how to access these other states of
consciousness without needing substances. But they were tools used at
certain times or places, certainly in other countries. You know,
the Greeks used what they called soma, which was this mixture.
You know, there's some recipe, a secret concoction of different

(52:17):
things that was clearly hallucinogenic in some sense. So yeah,
there's a lot of you know, you can look at
Terrens McKenna talking about the food of the Gods and
showing all these you know how we've always had a
relationship with some of these plants and substances and chemicals
that can be extracted from them. But yeah, there were

(52:39):
things in Egypt that went beyond that even and showed
people how to had reached those states without using drugs
or things like that. But in a lot of times
they were considered sacred.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
You know.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
The other thing I was kind of surprised by was
the astrological signs, where everywhere, you know, we're just not
trained at all on the zodiac. You know, you don't
learn anything about it through any sort of schooling, and
then it's in the newspaper, but it's like as a joke,
you know, like, oh, I'm going to read that. But

(53:12):
when I got to Egypt, it was like everywhere and
I was like, holy shit, you know this is this
was Egyptian. I didn't know the zodiac was a big
Egyptian thing. What was your take on that? And like
when you went on the Abraham tour as well, like
the stargates, you know, do you think it's something related
to transporting maybe astral projecting to like these other these

(53:34):
other star systems or something.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
I think that's definitely yeah, I do believe it.

Speaker 6 (53:43):
I was gonna say it's definitely possible, but I'd say,
based on what I know, it's it's more than more
probable and likely that there were stargates. Yeah, they literally
write the word stargate on so many of these temples.
If you did too, Muhammad, he probably showed you a
few places where it actually you see a star and
a gate and like a leg saying you can walk

(54:05):
through this. Like sometimes they are literally laying out very
very obviously, but it's you know, people are gonna not,
you know, have a hard time understanding how this. You
see these boxes like I'm talking about, I believe those
are a form of if if you want to talk

(54:28):
from quantum mechanics quantum physics, we could call it being
quantum entanglement. That's, you know, that's another word for sympathetic resonance.
When you have these stones that you pull up from
the ground. Let's say you pull two of these massive
stones from the same bedrock and you put one of
them on Mars and one in the Great Pyramid. They

(54:52):
are built of the exact same mother stone. They have
the exact same vibratory frequency. It is not impossible, I'll say,
at least for someone to lay down in the box
at Giza and be instantly psychically connected to someone who's
laying down in a box on another planet, even or
in other places on our planet. You know, we find

(55:13):
these boxes in Cambodia, in Peru, in Mexico. These could
have been like a psychic telephone line, almost just through
the frequency, instantly being able to connect to someone in
another one, which be connecting your consciousness, not physically, not
you go in and suddenly you pop out over there,
although that kind of thing can happen too, I believe

(55:35):
in some cases not maybe through the boxes, but you know,
this idea of sympathetic resonance, of quantum entanglement, where these
you know, vibrations are identical, they will create a link
through time and space that's you know, can be instantly
a connection potentially, yeah, between other planets, between even other

(55:58):
star systems. So when you understand how advanced this stuff is,
at the pyramids, how these chefs pinpoint and hit specific stars,
how all of them are the constellation is actually laid
out on the ground, not just the three pyramids in Orion,
which most people know about, but you know, there's fifty
or sixty of the pyramids in Lower Egypt are all

(56:20):
laid out along the Nile, with the nile being the
Milky Way and these being the brightest stars above it.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
And you're totally right.

Speaker 6 (56:28):
You see the zodiacal signs all over the place, and
ceiling of the Temple of Esna, the Temple of Canoum.
That one has amazingly just been restored. It was all
blacked out when I first saw it, and they've just
restored all the colors.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
You have the Dendarra zodiac.

Speaker 6 (56:47):
All of these are actually much later too, compared to
the sphinx itself for instance, which I believe is a
marker of the Age of Leo, which is putting it
back at the very most recent to about ten thy
five hundred BC, as Vival and Hancock and everyone discussed,
that was the most recent dawn of the Age of Leo,

(57:09):
or the last time when the sphinx would have been
looking at the heliacal rising of Leo, which means when
it rises right with the sun. That only happens once
every processional cycle of twenty six twenty five, nine twenty years,
so there's only one time every twenty six thousand years

(57:30):
when the sun actually sees when the sphinx actually sees
was considered the birth of Leo when it rises with
the sun on the equinox. So nobody has really addressed
that before as much as John Anthony West himself. You know,
he was the one before he wrote his book called

(57:51):
The Serpent in the Sky, he wrote a book called
The Case for Astrology. This one is really important because
he shows why the zodiac is so important to the Egyptians.
He shows that the zodiac symbols we have today actually
go back way earlier than the first written languages. Those

(58:11):
symbols go all the way back through you know, into
sumer and stuff, the lion, the scorpion, the bowl. You know,
they were followed every two thousand years plus they would
shift their symbolism the statuary, the temples. You know, they
would shift from the bowl to the ram to the fish,

(58:35):
and every couple thousand years they would switch the ruling
deity that the sun came through. It was a solar
power ruling through a specific sign of the zodiac. And
if you're not recognizing that the Egyptians were working on
those kinds of time scales and that they did have
this whole set of zodiacal symbols laid out long before

(58:56):
they even had written language. As far as we know,
you're missing a very huge central part of what Egypt
is because, yeah, people take it as a joke these days.
If they, you know, understand the influences, they might take
it a little more seriously. But most everyone, you know,
practically no one understands that these signs were extremely important

(59:19):
and they do go all the way back to the
beginning of human culture, and they were considered the most
important things back then. They did have meaning, you know,
So yeah, it's a good point to bring up. Appreciate
you saying that.

Speaker 5 (59:34):
Yeah, that blew my mind, the zodiac signs. And then
kind of the final thing was you mentioned there about
the sphinxx ten than five hundred years I was blown
away obviously about the Great Pyramid, the blocks, moving the stones,
that's all crazy. But even if they had built it,
like I was just amazed, there was not a single

(59:54):
drawing or like, there wasn't a there wasn't a single
hieroglyph of like them like loading a stone, you know,
or like cut like one one picture anything a papyrus
drawing of them like knocking a stone out, you know,
or like carrying the stone, or there was nothing, you know,
have you heard of any single like plan or something like,

(01:00:18):
how are you going to build a giant pyramid with
no plans like written anywhere drawn down or like bureaucracy.
It would take huge bureaucracy to just organize that. Many
people like, is there any documentation at all?

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
There is?

Speaker 6 (01:00:32):
There is very little into you know, there's some release
that show blocks being moved by boats, you know at times,
things like that, but as far as being connected directly
to records of the pyramids themselves being built, there's practically
basically nothing, basically nothing there are like you know, there

(01:00:53):
are a couple cartouches and names written, for instance, in
the relieving chambers above the King's chamber, which are are
controversial and not verified, and a lot of people think
we're graffiti fakes when these chambers were first discovered, but
they say supposedly the names of some of the workers
of the Gang of Cufu talking about working on it,

(01:01:15):
but that obviously could have been added much later when
it was first discovered. Even and they won't let us
do any testing on the paint or the pigment, you know,
so it's like there are no higher glaphs anywhere on
any of the pyramids themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
At Giza, there's.

Speaker 6 (01:01:35):
One symbol technically that's actually right in front of the
north face corridor going in, which is the Aqet symbol,
which is these two mounds with the sun rising in
between them. And that's a very important symbol which represents
the horizon. And I think it's telling you the Great
Pyramid is sometimes called Aket Cufu, and that Akeett is

(01:01:58):
meaning the horizon of Cufu or Kufu on the horizon
or something like that, which is telling you that the
Great Pyramid is a device that uses the horizon, that
it is looking towards, you know, the horizon, or in
some sense it's connected to that. But yeah, there are
no there are no records, for instance, of Kufu building

(01:02:18):
the Great Pyramid. There are no records of Kaufer building
the Sphinx or the Second Pyramid or mencor There is
nothing directly stating that these structures came from them. And
I do concede that it's very likely that these Fourth
Dynasty kings worked on the pyramids, you know, did something there,

(01:02:39):
added their own thing to it. It's very possible. Tafra
was in charge of overseeing the renovation of reconstruction, the
recarving of the Sphinx's head, for instance. But I've just
talked to many safe today about this who is He's
done the most amazing research to discover that there are

(01:03:00):
all of these references and records of this fully lioness
statue before the Sphinx, before it had this human head.
It was a lioness, female lion named Mehat who was
considered the guardian of the royal archives underneath it. It
was there at least five hundred years before Kaufer's time,

(01:03:21):
being referenced in hieroglyphic depictions image all of this stuff,
I mean, being referenced in context saying this is a
statue that was placed at the peak at the point
of the Delta denile that was facing east, that had
all these things.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
It's nailing it out. This statue was there.

Speaker 6 (01:03:46):
It has linguistic connections to a great flood, to a
great deluge or catastrophe, all of this stuff in his
book Under the Sphinx.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
We just went over all this material in.

Speaker 6 (01:03:58):
A video I did with him, and we actually did
two in a row, and the second one was more
about the Temple of Edfu, which was also confirming all
these stories of Atlantis, basically of Plato's Atlantis, of some
of this Edgar Casey information, and it's kind of, I
don't know, meandering away from the question you asked me,

(01:04:20):
but there's a lot of information there that actually gives
a lot of context to who the first people of
Egypt were, who the first immigrants were coming in and
literally referencing the word Atlantis itself as an island that
went through this catastrophe and these beings came from the
root at least of the word Atlantis, which was at

(01:04:43):
land basically, and the Greeks would always add this is
to a lot of the words.

Speaker 5 (01:04:49):
I thought, Yeah, I remember now temple edfu or is it? Yeah,
it's the really tall walled ones, huge, huge, yeah, giant wall.

Speaker 7 (01:04:59):
That one was super cool. That's right.

Speaker 5 (01:05:01):
I remember talked about people coming from Atlantis, maybe like
these are the immigrants.

Speaker 6 (01:05:08):
Yeah, a lot of correspondences in the timeline as well
to what Plato has said, you know, through say lining
up perfectly.

Speaker 7 (01:05:17):
That's crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
Well awesome, man, thanks a lot for your for your
extra time. Yeah, yeah, for setting up the beyond the interview.

Speaker 7 (01:05:27):
That was great. Too bad it didn't work.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Oh yeah, well, we'll get that done.

Speaker 6 (01:05:32):
And uh yeah, I know, I'm going to let you
bring most of the questions to him when we get
to talk to him on the ninth. I know he
was he was excited to do this with us too,
but he said something came up.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Today that he really had to take care of. So
we understand because he's they're all really busy.

Speaker 5 (01:05:49):
But have you seen any UFOs like I have to
ask for my audience, you know my patron's YouTube. Have
you seen any I remember that Danan interview? Were you
at that event? And did like a bunch of UEP
show up? Are UFOs?

Speaker 6 (01:06:06):
I went to the first and second annual Galactic and
Spiritual Informers Connection. That's the conference set up by my
friend Danny Henderson, and I did a bunch of interviews
with Danny and I just recently did one with Elena
as well.

Speaker 5 (01:06:23):
But that was a really good one. Yeah, you explained
a lot of this, a lot of your background every then.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
Yeah. Thanks.

Speaker 6 (01:06:30):
I didn't go to the third one though in Colorado
last year, and I didn't go to the one that
just happened in the UK a couple of weeks ago,
but I did see Yeah, there was a bunch of
craft showed up to the first one. I have footage
of all these lights in the clouds moving around, and
the very first annual one on the third year, Elena
actually said, we've got confirmation from my people upstairs. They're

(01:06:53):
going to show up with a whole fleet and a
TR three B, which, for you know, maybe your audience
knows what those are, but that's the triangular reverse engineered craft,
which are definitely not extraterrestrial. They are human made craft
that are reverse engineered from supposedly XET ships that have

(01:07:16):
been found. But they're very easy to distinguish, especially when
they fly this low because they're triangular.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
They always have these three lights in the corners.

Speaker 7 (01:07:25):
In a red idle.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
I think, yeah, you could.

Speaker 6 (01:07:28):
See, you know, not only these fleets flying in formation
much higher over and this was in Colorado in a
no fly zone, by the way, and then this TR
three B roll right over top where it's it's down
low enough for you to see that it's a triangle.
So I have never ever in history heard of anyone
calling out in advance a mass sighting and saying, come

(01:07:52):
to this conference in Colorado and you're going to see
a whole fleet.

Speaker 5 (01:07:55):
Uppear, So there's got to be videos or something. I
haven't seen any of the videos or anything.

Speaker 7 (01:07:59):
I didn't even hear about it.

Speaker 6 (01:08:01):
Like there's a thousand people saw that one after Elena
said it was going to happen, and those videos are
on Danny and Elena's channel.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
I could send you some of the links there.

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
Yeah, I totally need to check that out because I
saw that you mentioned in the interview with the Elena
and I was like, what is this?

Speaker 6 (01:08:19):
Yeah, well she said something like I mean, yeah, I
guess some more showed up in this one a couple
of weeks ago in the UK. But I told her, yeah,
she was joking about it something some people were calling
it like geese and fluorescent pants or something.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
I'm like, okay, sure, but I was joking back.

Speaker 6 (01:08:39):
You were in a comment like I hope the Galactic
Federation of Geese and Fluorescent Pants show up to our
conference in Dubai because I would love to see some
ships when Zahi's right there next to us and he
can see them too.

Speaker 5 (01:08:52):
To be honest, if all those people are going to
be there, I could do interviews and maybe maybe I'll
be back with the travel.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
Well that's going to be.

Speaker 6 (01:09:02):
Me, Armando Felipo, Sasha Stone, Elena Dennan, Dan Willis, all
of whom are friends of mine, and then Zachi, who
I haven't met yet but hopefully we'll be friends. Yeah, hopefully,
you know, I'm just yeah, It's like, I'm hoping we

(01:09:23):
have a chance to have a real respectful dialogue with him,
is what I'm saying, Because you can have conversations with him,
he can be reasonable to people. That does happen. It
has happened, especially more so off camera. You know, if
you have him on camera, he's really.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Going to have to play his role.

Speaker 6 (01:09:42):
But people who have talked to him, you know after
the fact, having dinner, having a cup of wine or something,
laying low, he does speak a little differently, quite a
bit differently off camera than he does on And I'm
definitely not going to try and come at him with
on attack journalism. I want to respectfully open him up, like,

(01:10:05):
you know, thank him for some of the work he
has done.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
That is, you know, he's.

Speaker 6 (01:10:09):
Provided a lot more evidence and things to look at
than a lot of these alternative researchers have. You know,
whether or not he deserves credit for all of them
or whether or not he's right in preventing all these
other researchers from being able to get the access to
do that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
Kind of work.

Speaker 6 (01:10:27):
In the end, he is sharing, you know, he's bringing
some things out and some new stuff that's exciting, which
I admit, but.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
We all know he's a gatekeeper. He's the guy.

Speaker 6 (01:10:40):
And it doesn't even matter what you think of Zahi,
It doesn't matter what you think of him personally.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
The fact is no one on earth should have that
much power over this situation.

Speaker 6 (01:10:50):
No one should be the gatekeeper of Giza, you know,
no matter if they're you know JFK or the most
noble ruler, you know, Plato himself. It's like, no one
should should be able to say that, you know, you
need this person to like you if you want to
do working Giza. That should never be the case. It

(01:11:12):
should be merit based, it should be evidence base. We
are bringing forward so much evidence before the Coffer project
even happened that for them to still be denying our permit,
especially when we're showing that it isn't an area that
poses absolutely no risk to any of the monuments there,
which was a big one they used back in the nineties. Oh,
we can't let everyone drill right around the sphinx. No,

(01:11:34):
we're talking about a pile of rubble off to the
east of the wall where it can't possibly hurt anything,
and we know there's tunnels. So the more evidence we're
bringing forward, the more difficult it is for them to
be blocking our permit, especially if the world takes note
of this, If the world realizes and gets behind us
and says, look, we think these guys should be able

(01:11:56):
to just go look down there. What is stopping them
from you know, what's stopping you? Why are you preventing
further research from taking place when we at least clearly
have enough evidence to suggest it requires an on site investigation.
It's obvious to everyone who would be against that, whether
they believe these scans or not. You know, what could

(01:12:19):
possibly be the excuse not to do an on site
investigation if it's not going to pose any risk to
any of the monuments whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
If we bring our own money, if we bring.

Speaker 6 (01:12:30):
The top archaeologists, all the right people, all the right equipment,
So it's getting harder and harder for them to say
no to us. Basically, and at certain point we're going
to hit that sweet spot where they have to say yes,
so sweet man.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
Wish us luck with that, everybody.

Speaker 7 (01:12:47):
Yeah, good luck.

Speaker 5 (01:12:48):
I saw just my own research, you could do an
endoscope below the cybershaft pretty much wouldn't damage anything.

Speaker 6 (01:12:57):
I'll tell you something that I haven't said publicly at
all yet, but I brought my own a scope last trip.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
And I did.

Speaker 6 (01:13:08):
Along the entire Sphinx Causeway. There are some holes in
the Sphinx Causeway between the stones, and Yusufaien really brought
this forward on Ben van Kirkwick's channel with Ben Uncharted X.
They've done some videos about this where Yusuf was showing
him you can push sand into these little holes on

(01:13:29):
the Sphinx Causeway, you know, which is where the Osira
shaft is, and the sand keeps filling into the holes.
After thousands of years of sands blowing over, something is
still not full down there. Yeah, okay, so that's that's
really important. And yeah, the last time I was there,

(01:13:51):
I did bring my endo scope.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
We did.

Speaker 6 (01:13:56):
I'll show some of this but it very soon in
one of the episodes of Secret Underworld coming up. But
Bill and I did actually just take a little water break.
You know, sit down on the causeway and I'm just
cramming this and the scope camera down into some of
those holes. So we really wanted to see if we
could get it down deep enough where would actually break

(01:14:17):
into some of the chambers that we already had the
GPR scans of.

Speaker 5 (01:14:21):
So you have the radar scans. Yep, that's awesome because.

Speaker 6 (01:14:26):
They had already indicated some very interesting stuff all along
the Sphinx Causeway.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
And also very close.

Speaker 6 (01:14:34):
I mean, we did the whole eastern base edge of
the Kaffer pyramid. We have the anomalies, We have GPR
views of these entrances into the chambers the Kaffer projects
showing us.

Speaker 7 (01:14:45):
Now, wow, not so matched.

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
You're saying that the star scan the tomography matched what
you guys found.

Speaker 6 (01:14:53):
Yes, it looked very much like there's two entrances in
the front of the eastern bas edge and they have
two tunnels coming out from the jed structures they're talking
about right in front of those two. I'll show some
of that in my documentary. It should be out on
Sunday that I finally have a good three hour chunk
of the most important material regarding the whole Coffer project.

(01:15:18):
And then we'll get a little further into it. Probably that'll,
i think will be Part four of The Secret Underworld
of Visa and then part five we'll be bringing William
and Richard back on and we're going to probably show
that endoscope footage in that one and a few other
things about the proofs that there is a tunnel actually

(01:15:39):
going straight from the Sphinx to the Kaffer Pyramid, and
that's our entrance.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
That's how we get into this stuff under the Kaffer Pyramid.

Speaker 6 (01:15:46):
But we'll also be revisiting the tunnel we know that
goes straight into the Great Pyramid as well, the entrance
that probably exists on the southwest.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
Corner of the Great Pyramid as well.

Speaker 6 (01:15:57):
So we have five, six seven different entrances into the
structures they're showing us both in the Kafra and Kufu Pyramids,
and we're going to get a lot more into that.

Speaker 5 (01:16:08):
And so all of it matches up with the sartomographies.

Speaker 6 (01:16:12):
Yes, especially this one tunnel from the temple complex in
the east to the Great Pyramid. This is what part
three of the Secret Underworld shows. It's on their twenty
twenty two report that was before this new stuff. But yeah,
we had a view of this tunnel coming in from
the east. That I was one of like three or

(01:16:34):
four people alive who William had trusted with this model
that he had built based on eyewitness account from a
friend of ours who actually was digging under his basement
and found this entire temple complex and described it firsthand.
But that actually the tunnel itself that's running from there
was discovered in nineteen eighty two.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
They knew about this tunnel back then, so some of
them did.

Speaker 6 (01:17:01):
And they've been they've never mentioned it, they've never been
telling anyone. So this is part of the reason why
we expose that an entire temple complex in part three.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
We would have been more careful about that, except.

Speaker 6 (01:17:13):
We know that they already know, and they're already in there,
rating it and robbing it and stealing the heritage of humanity,
the most important artifacts on earth. They are secretly attempting
to get into all of these chambers inside the Great Pyramid,
and that's why we're in a race against the black market,

(01:17:33):
against the corrupt parts of the ministry that choose to
work in the shadows and hide ale this. So we
want to get in there before they steal everything. Basically,
and we want to prove what's there because if they
already know it's there, then it's not going to hurt us.
We're not going to give them more information to help
them rate it quicker.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
They're already in there.

Speaker 6 (01:17:54):
So we showed everyone the exact locations in secret underworld
because can't hurt to tell the world, you know, the
bad guys already know. So yeah, well it's cool to
talk about a little of this beforehand, and you know,
then when we chat, you know, I'll come back for
the ninth we'll have this discussion with Felipo, and I

(01:18:15):
hope you can bring a lot of the questions for
about the radar and stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:18:20):
Yeah, definitely, Yeah, check out.

Speaker 5 (01:18:22):
I hadn't watched part three, so it'll be cool to
check that out. And then yeah, that saw the BEYONDI
protocol either but that's my two hour interview with Felipo
and Armando.

Speaker 7 (01:18:38):
I watched that as well.

Speaker 5 (01:18:39):
That's I think that's where I know. I didn't get
this quote from here, but yeah, I watched that as well.
So have you had Maloga? Have you interviewed him?

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:18:50):
Yeah, not yet.

Speaker 6 (01:18:52):
I've been speaking to him, but I don't think he
speaks English really, so he's not been part of any
of these English interviews, yes, but hopefully we can do
a translated one with him soon.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
Hopefully. Yeah, we're actually talking about.

Speaker 6 (01:19:06):
Setting up an official English channel for the team that
would be continuously ongoing, and we might We've got some
pretty big other names want to get into interviews with
them that I might be and.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
Also which could be cool. Yeah, hopefully coming soon.

Speaker 5 (01:19:23):
All right, Well, yeah, thanks again, and we'll see at
least on the ninth. I'll check out your work and
just keep an email touched before before that.

Speaker 7 (01:19:31):
Good luck with all your work, all.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
Right, thank you so much, really appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (01:19:36):
All right, thanks man.

Speaker 5 (01:19:38):
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on Rogan I didn't know all that background information and
what might actually lie beneath the Giza plateau. Next up,
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