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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi everybody, I'm Leslie Lill. Welcome to Leslie's Lowdown on
Live Today. We're going to talk about a little bit
heavier of a subject, but one that I think touches
every single person's life in one way or the other.
Cancer and Cancer Can't in particular, which is such a
cool organization here in the Inland Northwest. So I want
to introduce you first to Becky van Culin and then
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alongside her is Kelly Evans. First of all, Becky, you
and your husband Jonathan started this Cancer Can't in his
hospital room while he was battling cancer.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Correct correct, Yeah, yeah, he wasn't able to work anymore,
and so we had two kids at the time, two
and four, and he really needed to I think, have
a purpose for what was happening to us. And so, yeah,
from the hospital room, he filed paperwork for a five
oh one C three and did research to learn that
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there's not a lot of port in you know, the
greater Spokane area for adult oncology patients. Specifically, there's a
lot for pediatric cancer, but very little for adult patients.
And so yeah, odd statistic, but it's like one in
every thirteen people diagnosed with cancer is a child, but
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eighty percent of philanthropic funds go to pediatric cancer. So
it's this huge disparity and there is a lot of
need for adult patients.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
What was your hope, what was your initial hope to
be able to help? What was that avenue?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, well, initially it really just we were living with
this need of he had to do all of his
treatment in the hospital, and so he was at Provident
Sacred Heart and they have you know, seven South is
all of an oncology floor and going through chemo treatment
and stuff, he realized, well, when they're serving breakfast, lunch
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or dinner, I sometimes feel really crappy and I don't
feel like eating, and then it's served, you know, like
on a schedule. There's not you know, so things like
that where I didn't have a place to when he
was really sick and very critical stuff that I didn't
have a place to stay with him.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
You couldn't get to bed.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
It was there was a lot of things that we
were like, it would be nice to have a refrigerator
where I could bring him, you know, the soup that
he likes and he could eat it and heat it
up when he wanted, and you know, just give some
comforts of home. And so it really kind of just
started partnering with Providence and the Providence Foundation, and then
when we raised more money, it was like, then what's
next and what is needed in the community, And it
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just has sort of exploded and grown into what it
is today. But I don't think he ever would have
imagined what it is now.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
So he was here for the first year of cancer
can't yeah, and so he got to see it take off.
But I mean I would say, yeah, he'd probably be
pretty impressed with where you've taken this at this point.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, it's pretty humbling to know, you know, the support
from the community, all of the oncology clinics, and but
I really think it the need was there too.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah. Again, I cancer touches every single one of our lives.
I mean, I think you could probably ask anybody you
know and they know somebody who knows somebody, or is
it related to somebody who's been through cancer.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
So I want to bring in Kelly Kelly. Is Kelly Evans.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Your husband was Danny Evans, a Gonzaga basketball coach who
made such a huge impact on not just the Gonzaga community,
but hearing his story on our.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Community as a whole.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
So I want to talk about how you guys got
to know each other and kind of that world where
we help each other out and we build each other up.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, well love Kelly.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Yeah, my husband was the associate head baseball coach at Gonzaga.
He was diagnosed with stage four melanoma in twenty twenty
one and after an eleven month battle, passed away in
twenty twenty two. About a year after that, I was
just looking for a widow friend, someone who I could
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relate to, someone that shared the same story that I did.
So we were connected. Becky and I were connected by
a mutual friend, and we got together for coffee, and
you know, it's just so nice to have someone that
really gets what you're going through. And in that conversation
that day, we talked a lot about cancer can't and
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I had shared that when Danny was ill, he chose
to do some interviews here and just share his story
in hopes of touching people. And I wanted to continue that,
partly just making sense of what my life is now
and how I can try to make a difference.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
So that's how Becky and I met.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, you guys are part of a club nobody ever
wants to be a part of. I always say the
cancer club is one you just don't want to be
a part of. That Being a widow or as well
as very difficult. I can imagine you both have young
kids and so just pushing on the legacy of your.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Very expensive entry fee into the widow clubs.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Yeah, yeah, it really is.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, yeah, no, it is very It's very important to
have someone that you can sit across that says, no,
I totally understand what you're going through, and so and
Kelly just I think really understood. We both had the
same I think our husbands had the same heart for
how do we make this make sense and make it
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help someone that comes after us? And what do we
do to make an impact with this? And because so
many people are touched.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I think that's the biggest thing, right, how do we
make this make sense?
Speaker 4 (05:41):
And then what is your hope?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Then moving forward and not only teaching your kids, but
healing your own hearts and then helping the community that
we're in.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, I mean you can share your but I mean,
like when you get a cancer diagnosis and then lose somebody,
I mean, so I'm like why why us? Why did
we go through this? And there really is no way
to make sense of it. And Kelly gets to be
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our keynote speaker this year at Cancer Camp and to
you know, now be at a point where you stand
on stage and you see nearly a thousand people out there,
and many of which are cancer families, cancer survivors, are
people that you know that we've helped or made an
impact for, like that's why. And so I've been able
to have the gift of seeing it come you know,
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full circle, to know like this was why, you know,
like this was why I lost him and where it's
come today. And so you know, Kelly will get that
gift this year. So because it is really hard for
so many years like why why Yes, because there is
nothing that makes it make sense really.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
Yeah, and I don't know that it ever will.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
I think it gives us something to hold on to
hope and give other people that.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
So that's what we're looking to do.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
They don't have to have the same story as us, No, no.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, I think everybody's story is just a little bit different,
but it's still all the same.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
It really is.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
So tell me a little bit about yours in Danny's story.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
So Danny and I met at Gonzaga. We were friends
during school and then started dating after I graduated. We
got married in two thousand and seven, and we have
two kiddos who are ten and twelve now. Yeah, Danny
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played baseball at gu and luckily after he graduated, got
an assistant position and worked his way up, So he
had been there since, you know, he graduated school. Yeah,
he really was part of Gonzaga and he was Yeah,
Gonzaga is a huge part of our life.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
And then how do your kids remember their dad?
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Well, they remember a lot about him. We talk about
him every day, like he's just part of the family still,
and he's there.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
You know, there's a lot they miss about him.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
But I think mostly we just share funny things and
funny memories that we had with him, and we.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
Just try to keep his memory alive.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, as the kids get older, you know, like one
of one of my sons will do something or even
like their voices now, like going through puberty and or
you liked her and I'm like, oh my.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Gosh, was that you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Sounds just like their.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Dad or something like, And you know, you don't know
if you say something to them about it or is
it just you know, my moment or whatever. But but yeah,
I mean he's part of our home all the time,
you know, whatever, it's not.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
You know, there's no secret of not talking about it.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
We you know, even you know if you said if
you feel uncomfortable about it.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
That's just our life. We talk about it every day.
There's really nothing off line.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
It's you know whatever that way, I think even for
the kids, you know, so we want them to remember everything.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Yeah, when you.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Ask that question or during an interview, I get so emotional.
But he is really in our like mind all day long.
And it's not it isn't emotional. It's just like he's
part of the day. So yeah, and I can.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Imagine like you, like you just said, you hear the
tone of the voice, but expressions and just like little
things that do pop up.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
So yeah, always with you.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, my boys are getting into that like preteen stage,
and they'll make it.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
That's what she said, joke. I have no idea that
their dad did that all the time. Whatever. Oh dear,
here we go.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
You know it's there, that's what you know, He's there
for sure.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
What do you think that they would think now like
watching you both and what you're doing to make a
difference and to honor their memories.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
No, I I just I think it.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Jonathan would actually laugh and be like, you know, like,
oh my gosh, I had no idea what starting this
would become and how much you know, where this has
really grown to.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I think he would be proud, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
And know that what his intention was has come to fruition,
but but also laugh in terms of like how much
work and how much you know, like really everything to
orchestrate all of this and knowing how many people that
were helping.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
But yeah, I think you would say sorry, Yeah, I mean,
I think Danny also would be proud. I'm still trying
to get my bearings because it hasn't been that long.
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There's so much that goes into being a widow that
people don't realize. So just waking up in the morning
and moving through your day is really a huge feat sometimes.
But I know that when he was sick, he really
wanted to try to use his small platform to reach others.
And I feel like that's what the kids and I
are continuing to do in any way that we can.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
And what does that look like like I know, with
the organization, obviously you've gone from getting little fridges in
the hospital rooms and making them more home like and
comfortable for families to where you are. Now, what is
that hope in looking forward that you're doing and making
that difference here?
Speaker 4 (11:43):
What's that next step?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Gosh, it's a big question.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
It's a big question.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, no, well, I mean I was just thinking about
Kelly kind of coming into cancer Camp this year, and
really as we grow, I've ended every board meeting, we're like, Okay,
what's what's going on in the community, what crazy idea, like,
what's the need that we could maybe do to make
a difference, and and really even getting our kids involved.
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So one of the things, like Kelly, for example, I
think your kids did elimonade stand that they donated all
their money to, you know, you know, cancer foundation type
thing or whatever. And so coming up on August eighth,
kind of an honor of Danny's baseball number was eight,
you know, so on eight eight, you know, we're doing
elimonade stand across town. So any kids or whatever that
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want to get involved. I think that is also a
struggle for a lot of families, you know, like how
do you get your children involved in understanding giving back
to the community and and so to do you know,
just something where kids can do a lemonade stand and
you know, donate the money back and so those are
sort of things like what are other things that we
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can be doing that are just small but then maybe
turn into to something.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I imagine though too that it's such a big piece of.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
The healing process for them, right mm hmm.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Yeah, they are very excited about the lemonade stand, and
like Becky said, it's a great chance for kids to
be able to participate even if they don't quite understand
cancer and what comes with that. I think it allows
them to you know, create a small business model and
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give back to to something super important. For my kids,
they know the importance of some of the services that
cancer can't offer, so it's easier for them to know
what an impact that that will have.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know my kids have gotten involved
in terms of we do a big fundraising gala in
September and so the Black and White galas on September
thirteenth this year, and so my kids come and sell
raffle tickets and.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
You know, different things like that. To get involved. But yeah,
we have all kinds of programs and stuff and so.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Gosh, I don't even know talk about some of the
programs though.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, so I guess our biggest program is actually we
have the Cancer Can't Transportation Program and so we have
you know, so if there's anybody out there that wants
to volunteer and really get involved. This is not for kids,
but for adults. Volunteer drivers. So getting patients to and
from treatment. So if your support person has to work,
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or maybe you don't have a support person and you're
battling cancer by yourself, oftentimes patients can't drive, and so
getting them to and from treatment is a big deal.
And so we have volunteer drivers that kind of like
we have our own little like uber app almost that
we throw out this is what appointments are, and you
can just sign up if it fits your schedule to
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drive the patient to treatment or get.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Them home from treatment.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
And so sometimes we're giving up words of five hundred
rides in a month to get patients to a treatment,
and so it really has become a resource with the
clinics and even hospitals rely on to help with oncology patients.
So that's you know, probably our biggest program. We have
partnered with Cancer Care Northwest and we have a grant
program and help manage funds from from their foundation as
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well as ours to get patients emergent funds upon diagnosis
or different things when your max out of pocket is
quite high and stuff.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
So that's a program.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
We do lodging where patients that are coming from rural communities,
so really we're starting to serve even more patients even
outside of just the greater Spokane area, but Spokane is
really a medical hub for oncology patients, and so we're
seeing patients travel from you know, rural communities all the
way into Montana, you know, like Canada. We really get
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a large geographical area of patients that are coming into
Spokane for treatment, and so they need a place to stay.
So we're doing lodging and that has become something that
has become a really big need that we can't meet,
and so that has moved into us building a lodging facility.
And so we for the last couple of years have
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had a capital campaign going on. We've purchased land in
the Kendle Yards area and so hopefully within the next
year we'll be seeing a lodging facility go up to
help lodge patients that are traveling from you know, rural areas,
and so we really do have quite a few different
programs or different things that are serving patients in different.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Ways, and honestly, that really is so amazing.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
The transportation piece in itself is huge, but then you
think about again, we're kind of a hub for all
the rural communities and people do have to travel, and
then you do have to think about if you've got
a family bringing your children and where you going to stay,
and that gets expensive and then the out of pocket
cost anyway insurance doesn't cover for you know, medical cost
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is overwhelming and it's it can just feel like your
life is sinking. So to have that base, that support system,
that place that you can go to where you feel
like somebody has got you.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah right, yeah, No, I mean it's really cool to
when you get thank you cards or different things from
people that you really know that you're you're making an impact.
But yeah, we really try to offer these services to
you know, to little to no cost for patients at all.
And so this lodging facility is a kind of a
cool business model. I think our board is really proud
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of kind of the idea that we've come up with
in terms of partnering with corporate rentals with other medical providers,
whether it's transplant patients or cardiac patients, and so getting
a corporate rentals that produce revenue so that cancer patients
can stay for free and you know, doing short term
rentals when patients radiation patients are driving home. So you know,
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for people even that are coming to Spokane for Hoofest
or Bloom's Day or something like that on a weekend,
to say, well, all stay in this facility, it's basically
a donation. And because it's paying for a cancer patient
to stay during the week after me and so and
so we.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Really think that this is going to work.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
That we would be able to you know, we've done
feasibility studies and stuff like that that it's kind of
an interesting medical model to be able to support patients
where they're not having to pay for this stuff. Because
you're right, you know, hotel costs are not covered necessarily
by insurance and so a lot of people don't think
about with a cancer diagnosis, you potentially lose and you
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potentially lose an income now you're paying max out of
pocket because you have to reach your deductibles. And then
there's all these additional expenses that are not covered by
insurance like travel and how how do you not sink
you know whatever, And so really supporting patients in these
different ways that's really our goal, so that they can
get through day to day and just take a little
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bit of stress off.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, and it does make a big difference because it's
all those little things that add up over time. So
you've built quite the village around you to really make
this huge impact on this community.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
So, Kelly, you're a new member of the board, is
that right?
Speaker 6 (19:06):
I am, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
I joined the board in November of twenty twenty four. Okay, yeah,
just learning all the ropes and so proud to be
a part of it.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
And then do you guys have any special stories? I mean,
sharing your stories connects you with other people, But are
there stories that you've heard that you take into you
and I'll just use boardroom that say Okay, we need
to do this or maybe we didn't look at that.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Well, I one of the things that I love about
what cancer Can't has become is it's kind of like
this pay it forward movement, you know, like cancer can't
really isn't about my husband. It's not necessarily about Danny either,
because you know, one in two men will receive a
cancer diagnosis in their lifetime one in three women, Like
you said starting the show, you're literally not touched by kid.
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You know, everyone has a cancer story, and so making
a difference in terms of I just think about a
story where we have a volunteer driver who picks up
a patient and while driving them, realizes they moved to Spokane.
A young married couple moved to Spokane because she's going
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through breast cancer treatment and as just drive, she.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Would drive her regularly.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
So you develop like a relationship and then learned, oh
my gosh, they're sleeping on the floor. They don't even
have a mattress because like moving here, and so then
reaching out to us to say, kay, can can I
recommend the grant program and would you guys buy or
a mattress so at least you know, and then and
then to learn while she's having you know, some dental issues,
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she can't do her chemo because she has an infection
that's coming in her mouth.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
And so then we partner.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
With local dentists that then donate things for like cleanings
and things like that, and so then oh, you know,
so just like having people that understand and then they
put themselves in this position to volunteer and then know
what the resources are to kind of forward people along
to be like, well, so we helped her get a mattress,
then we got our teeth cleaned so she could continue chemo,
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and you know, and we're driving her and that sort
of stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
That it's just like, what are all of the resources
or a way that we.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Can plug people in And when you've lived through it
and you're you know, developing those relationships with patients, oftentimes
volunteers will say like I got more out of this
than than the patient did. So I guess that's a
story that kind of comes to mind. But it does
remind me of kind of just like Kelly, you know,
like you get involved and you you know, you just
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she's just reaching for a widow friend, you know whatever,
and then realize, gosh, this is really my heart too,
Like I would love to help others I know stuff now,
like I should be sharing this information with other people
that this horrible thing is happening to them. How do
I do that, and that's I guess that's really what
cancer can't is.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
You know, I was just going to say cancer can't
What does that mean to you?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I mean, well, yeah, Jonathan named it, and it really
came from a poem that he read because it feels
like every day there is something that can't. Like we
we lost something, you know, like from his ability to
walk normally. He then couldn't tee up his ball anymore
when he's playing call, you know, like just simple little things,
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but you know, to remind you of the things that
cancer can't take from you. You know, cancer can't take
your joy, it can't take hope, it can't take your family,
you know, like just all of those sort of things.
And so we you know, one of our programs is
cancer can't take Christmas. And you know where we sponsor
where we have sponsor families with other families to kind
of provide gifts for children of you know, parents that
are battling and stuff like that. And so that's what
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his intention of what it means. But I don't know,
what do you what.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Does it mean to you? Well?
Speaker 5 (22:47):
I can't I can't add anything more to what you
have said. Uh, but I will say that when Danny
was diagnosed because of who he was, we had so
many people calling different doctors and making phone calls for
us and flying us to Seattle and getting us a
second opinion. And the majority of people don't have that team.
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And I think Becky and the Board of Cancer Can't
serves as that for people who don't have that group
around them. I know that you have gotten people into
different doctors and different second opinions, and truly it's what matters.
One of my favorite parts of being a part of
Cancer Can't is being connected to other people in my situation.
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And I think cancer Can't stands for hope. But once
in a while we don't get so lucky. And so
it's been great for me to meet with new widows
or I've met with people whose person is currently going
through cancer, and it makes me feel like I can
give some perspective back to them.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
There's a lot of power behind those two words cancer.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Can't you know it?
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Can't you know? Anyway I'm gonna cry?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Okay, so let's wrap with.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Let's talk about the biggest fundraiser that you guys have
yeah in the year, which is September thirteenth, it's coming up.
How can people get involved because you started at like
what two hundred people with your first one, and now
we're talking about one thousand potentially.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, so far we've sold seven hundred tickets and we
still have a couple months to go before the galist
So it's yeah, it's on September thirteenth.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
It is going to be.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
At the Davenport Grand and it is a huge silent
auction all kinds of stuff everything you know, you can
bid online and stuff, and then live auction and a
paddle raise that the funds for the paddle rays will
go towards our capital campaign for building the lodging facility.
But it really is a fun night where a lot
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of people get to come together and you know, hug
people and see people going through a lot of doctors.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
You know, might might see your doctor there.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
So but but yeah, it's a really fun event that
definitely comes with a purpose and a mission. And we
really have one big fundraiser that supports all of our
programs and so all of the live and silent auction
funds go to help pay for the lodging program and
the transportation program and all of these sort of program stuff,
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and so we really rely on the funds from this
gala to really support patients. And we we really are
a fairly small nonprofit in terms of we have six
staff members that are all part time that work from home.
One of the things that I am most proud of
about Cancer Cant is we have a very low overhead
and so and I think people that come to our gala,
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you know, we don't have a two hundred and fifty
dollars centerpiece sitting at the table, you know, like it's
a free you know, basically something that we do everything
we can to get as much money to patients and
programs that we possibly can. And because it's really personal
to everybody in the room and they know it and
so and you feel it when you come.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
And so we.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Would love to have people there, and we would love
to get people involved. You can donate auction items that
then we we auction off and so that is really helpful. Yeah,
coming and just supporting if you can, inviting your friends,
buy a table or whatever.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
How do you buy a table and how do you
buy a ticket.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah, So if you go to cancercant dot com, just
click on events and it'll be right there. For the
Galen it'll you know, purchase a ticket and even there,
I think you can click on donate. In terms of it,
it brings you through a thing to donate an item
if that's what you want to do as well.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
So yeah, pretty incredible organization, pretty incredible event. Cancer can't Yeah,
cancer can't. So we hope that you'll join us. We're
gonna be there with you, yeaheah.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
We're really excited.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Stephanie Vigils going to this year and she's bringing all
of her friends, so it's yeah, you'll be starstruck to
come and have all of the spotters and stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
It should be a really fun night.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
And we've got the dueling pianos and stuff, so lots.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Of you know, lots of cocktails and drinks. It'll be,
you know, like we have a good time.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
We have a great time. So I can't promise you
that you won't cry. There is you know, some but
there's also a lot of laughing and a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Ye So, and that's what it's all about, supporting each other,
helping each other get through it.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
So let's all do this together.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
We can. I think your husband's will be so incredibly
proud of what you're doing to make a difference in
so many lives. Yeah, so thank you for what you're doing,
and thank you for being here today. And I can't
wait to see you guys on the thirteenth. And I'll
just end with I'm really sorry for all you've been through.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
Yeah, yeah, thank you, thank you for having us, thank you.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Yeah,