July 9, 2025 • 43 mins
Today I sit down with KHQ NonStop Local News Anchor, Sean Owsley to discuss his journey to becoming one of the most renowned faces of TV in the Pacific Northwest. We dive into Sean's backstory, exploring the roots of his passion for news that began with his father all the way to where he is today.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:33 Sean's History
11:32 Sean's Rise to Fame
24:30 Influences
34:10 Backlash
39:05 Our Relationship
41:41 Outro
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34:10 Backlash
39:05 Our Relationship
41:41 Outro
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And I remember when you came in and I just said,
I said, you're right where you need to be.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Yes, that is exactly what you said.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
And I kind of looked to me like, oh, I
think we're going to get along that.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I think this is going to be if this go
work out okay, because we understood that when we were here.
You put on a face and you do what you
need to do. You check it at the door, so
to speak. Absolutely, but there was a lot going on
behind the scenes as well.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah, he would call me after I would do a
lifetime He goes, how do you how do you not stumble?
You don't stumble? And I was like, oh, I stumble,
You're just overlooking some some blemishes.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hi. I'm Leslie low Welcome to Leslie's Low Down on Life. Hi, everybody,
I have got a very special guest in the studio today.
(00:54):
I'm super excited that he's here. I mean, if you
don't know him, you should probably crawl out from that
rock you've been hiding under for how many years? But
this is my good friend Sean Owsley, also known as
my partner in crime other half. We've been hanging out
together for seventeen years now. Here. So Sean anchored the
(01:17):
wake Up Show for many years now the main Acre
and again my partner on the five, six, and six thirty.
You created the six thirty. We're going to talk more
about that. I mean, you just have such a long
history here as well as you know places like Knoxville, Tennessee,
which again we'll get to more on that here in
the Psyca. But do you remember when we first met,
(01:41):
knew I was going to put you on the spot.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Ge said, is there anything off limits? And I said, no,
We're an open book. That's what we love to be.
You know, you just have to be yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It's to fire away.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
It is weird. I'm usually asking the questions, so.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
We're gonna have to answer the question.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
It's Leslie's world and I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So I'm going to tell I'm going to start with
this because I actually met your dad before I met you.
I met your dad because he was an instructor at
the American School of Broadcast at school that I went to.
And your dad was so like, ah, he was magnetic, right,
larger than life. That's a good way to describe your dad.
But he was so proud of his son. Sean, and
(02:19):
he was so proud of all he had done, all
he had accomplished, and then he had to tell me
about want to buy a truck. I mean, we just
he used you as an example in school the entire time,
which was so much fun because I felt like I
knew you before I ever met you.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
He you know, me and my broadcasting career really from
its inception, was kind of the seed that was planted
by watching him. I was four years old. He was
in the overnight shift on radio. He went by the
nearly famous Gary Charles on radio, and I remember when
they were still together. My parents divorced when I was five,
(02:58):
so I remember when they were still together and my
mom carrying me up like midnight one am to watch
him work. And I think that's where that seed was planted.
He was he was just an open book. He was
a kind, kind human and super talented, amazing folk singer.
I mean, we can get into all of that, but
(03:21):
you know when your parents are like so proud of
you that they embarrass you. You know, both of my
parents or that way, and I loved that. Before he
passed away in two thousand and three, that I had
come back from Tennessee and I was I was, you know,
reporting and doing a little anchoring here at KHQ, and
he would call me after I would do a livestime
(03:43):
and he goes, how do you How do you not stumble?
You don't stumble? And I was like, oh, I stumble.
You're just overlooking some some blemishes that I'm working too
to get better. But he was a perfectionist. His preparation work.
He used to when he did radio, he would go
down every day and buy the US say Today paper
and come up with little tidbits for his show. And
(04:03):
he spent hours prepping for his radio show the next day.
And in the decade of the eighties, he was the
number one DJ on Katie RK for basically that whole decade.
And I miss him. But he shaped who I am,
alongside my mom and my brothers and my family, and
that legacy that's something that can never be taken away.
(04:24):
And I didn't expect this because I'm usually pretty stoic,
but when you brought him up, I got emotional because
he's been gone twenty two years now, But you know what,
You're carrying on a legacy of a kind human that
tried to make the world better in the smallest way
he could, however, he could every minute that he lived.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, it was pretty fantastic. I learned a lot from
your dad. And I remember when I left the other
station and I came to notch up Local Cage Q.
That was just the mighty cue when I got here.
But I remember walking into the newsroom and I was intimidated.
This is the place I'd always wanted to be. This
(05:03):
was like the King of Kings and Spokane, and I
watched you guys, and I was in all of you guys,
and of course when I saw you, I was like,
oh my gosh, that's Sean Ousley. That's you know, I
know his dad, and his dad is so proud. And
I was, you know, intimidated. But you were so welcoming
right off the bat. Do you remember that day?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
You were right by the entry door, over by the
file cabinet when you first walked in, And I obviously
knew some of your history, not not like we know
each other now, but and I just knew it's easy
to see talent when you watch it, even though we
didn't know each other, that it's so easy to spot talent.
(05:42):
And I think your magic was then it's even more
so now. It's just authenticity and warmth. People want to
talk to you, and I.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Know you need me to pay you now or do
you want me to pay you later.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
We're building up a big bill here, but that I
was the delivery.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It's a really good yeah, just put it on my job.
So you started here, and I want to take people
all the way back because I love I love your
career path because it is just full of tenacity and
grit and hard work. And you earned every bit of
where you are right now. But you walked in this
(06:24):
building and you were willing to do everything. So take
us from ground.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Floor ground floor. I went to Eastern studied broadcast journalism
with a radio television minor. I mean there are TV
departments not even there anymore. It became a film department.
Loved my time at Eastern. I was. I was born
in Spokane in nineteen seventy. Two older brothers, Kevin and Pete,
were all four years apart. My oldest brother, Pete and
I have same birthday on July eighth. I grew up
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in North Spokane. My parents divorced. My mom moved us
to Seattle. I grew up in Seattle. Then I came
back home. My dad was always here, so I was
back in Spokane quite a bit visiting, and then I
decided to go to Eastern. Graduated from Eastern, and at
that point I just wanted a job. I wanted to
foot in the door. I didn't care what the job was,
I didn't care what it paid, and I interned here
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my senior year. I have to shout out the director
of journalism at Eastern, Steve Blewett. He got me the internship.
He saw something in me. He's still around and I
just appreciate those are the people that make a difference
in the trajectory of your life, and so I want
to recognize Steve, but got my foot in the door.
My first job here was first day officially on the
job was January one, nineteen ninety three. I was an
(07:34):
overnight tape editor on Saturday and Sunday mornings and I
made five dollars an hour. And I couldn't have been.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Happier tape editor. Back to my good old days. Yes, yes,
be kind rewind. You know, so how did you How
were you able to keep moving up the ladder? What
did it take?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Well, you know, I think I had a little bit
of a chip on my shoulder. I was the first
one in my family to graduate college, and there's there's
there's a makeup in me that's a little bit like,
doubt me at your own peril. I will prove you wrong.
(08:16):
And I've kind of always had that little bit of
a chip on my shoulder. And I remember before I
started working at HQ, I got a job interview within
the state I won't say where, smaller market. Didn't have
a coat, borrowed a coat, it was too big for me.
Face was still breaking out. I was so young. Borrowed
(08:39):
a car, drove down there, had my ten minute video
reel that I had recorded at the KHQ studios in
my internship, and went in. The person was forty five
minutes late to our meeting, put my reel in for
ten seconds, ejected it and said, I'm gonna be real
(08:59):
with you. You don't have it. You will never work
in this business. That was my first official interview.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
How do you get past that?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
But then she said, but I'll offer you an internship,
and I was like, no, thank you. I even you know,
you know, yes, you know when to pivot. You have
to trust your instincts even if you're devastated. And I was,
I mean, I was so excited and I decided to
And this kind of tells you a little bit behind
the curtain with me. Okay, all right. I walked to
(09:33):
the station across the street without an appointment, asked to
see the news director here, welcomed me in, looked at
my stuff, and he goes, I, you know it's rough,
but I see talent there. We don't have any job openings,
but stick with me. Reach back out to me every
three months. So when one person tells you no, there's
another person around the corner that's gonna gonna lift you
(09:54):
up and going to boo you and inspire you. And
and he did. Then I ended up getting the job
here a Q.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
See this is what I love. We do have so
many similarities because I think our career paths, although different
and timing wise, like everybody told me you can't do that,
and I was like, watch me. So we both have
a little bit of a chip on her shoulder.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
And I remember when you came in and I just said,
I said, you're right where you need to be.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yes, that is exactly what you said.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, And you kind of looked at me like, Oh,
I think we're going to get along.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I think this is going to be at this go
work out okay. But you were at that point you
were anchoring part of the wake up show or the
morning show here yep for KHQ. But you went on
from intern to tape editor.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
To photographer for about almost two years. And then at
that point I had a broadcast sternalism degree. I always
knew I wanted to write. That was my passion. I
eventually wanted to report or anchor news. I didn't know which,
but I was. I was open to whatever path presented itself.
And I remember I went to then news director Patricia
McCrae and I just said, look, I want to wear
(11:06):
a tie, I want to write, I want to come
in and she said, give me some writing samples. And
you know, she took a chance on me, and it
really changed the game because she gave me a day
side producing job, which usually if you don't have producing experience.
You started on the weekends back in and I think
that was ninety four and I was producing the six
o'clock show out of the gate. Did I make mistakes? Absolutely?
(11:30):
Was I green? Yes, But you're not going to outwork
me and and I will I will learn, and I
will close those loops and I will get better. And
that was my mindset and that really kind of changed it.
And then a little bit later they asked me to
come and do some sports emergency fill in and that's
when I first got in front of the camera.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Okay, so tell me about it, because you were producing
for some strong personalities.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Sure, so how.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Did how did that role shape you into your on
because I would imagine that it has to give some
kind of a feed to what you're doing. I mean,
because you see both roles behind the camera and then
now you're in front of the camera. How did that
shape that?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I think all of it. You know, it's kind of
a recipe that all gets cooked for a while and
you come out of it with your own identity, your
own voice. And I think, like you said, there were
some real strong personalities that I was producing the show for.
Some of them were tougher on me than others. Some
of them were very very guiding and kind, and you
kind of take all of that and then you decide
(12:32):
how do you want to do the job, And based
on how you were treated, how do you want to
treat people that are coming up and learning, and that
was really important to me, and I just I'm not
one to raise my voice. I always find if there's
somebody that's learning, it's super important me to teach. And
I think I get bullied by that by taking somebody
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and say this didn't work. But instead of making them
feel feel bad, you show them the process so they
learn and nine times out of ten, if you're inspiring somebody,
they'll buy in. They don't repeat those mistakes. So those
that have lived it, we have to share it.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, and I think that that makes it a big difference.
Having been in so many different roles, you understand what
it means to be in that role.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
So everybody's trying to do their best, yes, and everybody
has going to make mistakes. We still make mistakes.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
We do.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I still make mistakes. Make That's why this works, right,
unless he's like, oh, yeah, that's my guy.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
True, true. Okay, So you've been in the business now
for over thirty years, which again you started when you're five. Yes, Yes,
you started when you're five, which is amazing to me.
You're barely out of diverse and you're in the business.
I mean, you left to Spokane. Let's talk about that
(13:56):
for a second, because that was something I didn't I
don't think I fully understood until a couple of years
working with you that you and your family moved. You
moved to Knoxville, Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, so I was reporting here. I was a general
Simon reporter. I was the web designer. But you know,
we had a long, long term, established anchors and there
wasn't room to grow. And I'm one that I was.
I always have to be growing some way, even now
to this current day. How can I challenge myself? How
can I be better than I was yesterday? And that's
kind of always been my mindset, and there was it
(14:32):
was kind of locked in here as far as the
anchor stable, and I wanted to anchor. I knew that's
what I wanted to do. So I sent videotapes back then,
you know VHS reel, and I just I looked for
job openings. There was a site called TV jobs and
they listed all the job openings, and I just I
(14:54):
was willing to move anywhere. I was willing to because
I had to get some anchoring experience wherever somebody would
take a chance on me to do that. That's where
I was at that it was kind of a crossroads
for me. And I got a call from one of
the kindest people ever. Name is Brian Traring. He was
a news director in Knoxville, and he said, I'd like
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to fly in And I was like, Knoxville, what's it yet?
You know where is that? You know I'm looking at
the day, I was like, whoa, that's that's way down
in the south, just above Georgia, you know. And I'd
never been out of Washington State, and I was like,
I flew down and the audition went well, and they
had already hired the female co anchor for the morning
(15:34):
show there, and you know, I I was not back
a few days where they called made me a job offer,
and it was it was a little scary because I
was leaving my home base, my foundation. Spokane or Seattle
had been my home base my entire life. But and
this is something that I share with with the younger
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generation coming up. It was one of the biggest and
the best growth periods of my life because really, you
and your close family that you're with's that's all you
have in the immediate vicinity. And it was just a
great opportunity at wat E TV down there, anchored there
for almost three years. My son Ryan was born in Knoxville,
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and that's when at that time, me and his mother
decided to come back home and we came back with it.
I didn't have a job, and I was interviewed and
offered a job at a different station here, and Patricia
reached out and said, please talk to me before you
do anything, and I said okay, And and it was
(16:40):
the absolute right choice because look at the longevity and
the and the great people that I work with. And
you know, I don't ever take for granted what we do.
It's personal for me and it does make me a
little emotional because I'm appreciative every day of what we do.
And it's not easy, and we take arrows, but if
(17:04):
you stick to integrity, doing the absolute best you can
and class, I think it all washes out in the end.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah. If this is something you have to have passion
for to do, you can't just want to see your
face on TV. There has to be a passion and
a drive behind it to sustain it.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, we've been through a lot together, So let's talk
about that the morning show, Because you were on a
very successful morning show with some of the greatest of
the great you know that.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
It was you know what I loved about that team
obviously George and Dave, Shelley, Matt It you never knew
what was going to happen next. Oh no, there was
this spontaneity that's really hard to create in broadcasting, and
it was some of the best times I've ever had
in my career, I tell you what. You never knew
(18:02):
where George was going to go next.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
That was the best part about it, and.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
It was he was the funniest person you will ever
be around.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, George Moppin was one of a kindly was Yeah,
he's an institution. He is an institution out of his
own booth at the fair and George.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Everybody wanted to hug George and every time just hug
him long enough for it to get awkward and like
George too far.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
But that's what made George George.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
He was just a special special talent.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
So they they that morning show every you know people
moved on. They needed to reconfigure everything, and so then
they brought me down from nights where I was with
Dan and Stephanie, and they brought in CALLI Chalk, and
we started a brand new morning show called twenty fourteen
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Wakeup Show.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I want to say twenty four somewhere around there.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I want to say maybe I thought we were on
it for like ten years, or I was on it
for like ten years or something like that.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Well, when you get up a two thirty AM, it
feels like.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Twenty, so maybe thirty, but we're only twenty. But we
are twenty. Don't forget that. But we had a great
run with that show. That was something we created and
we did and we had a great time. We had
a lot of fun, We made some memories. But then
there came a time that you decided it was time
(19:27):
to move on.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Well, I had done combined with Tennessee and then back
in Spokane. I had done the morning shift for twenty years. Yeah,
twenty one and the two thirty wake Up. I had
a lot of people to say, oh, it must get easier,
and I was like, no, it gets harder as you go.
And I just, you know, just for where I was
in life, I just felt I needed to do something else,
(19:56):
and I felt strongly about that. But it was we
had created something so magical and so fun, and we
had a great chemistry and so it's hard to leave
something that's successful, but doesn't mean it's not right to
leave something that's successful. You have to trust your instinct.
I've always done that, and there was really nowhere else
(20:16):
for me to go. And you know, I had a
good rapport with management here and we had some really
hard conversations and we had agreed that I was there.
There had been some rumors that I was retiring, which
was really never really the truth, but I was going
to take the summer off from broadcasting and I was
at peace with that. I just was I was like,
(20:39):
I need to reset here and kind of fill the
gas tank back up personally, and that was the plan,
and I never I never got to the summer because
in the middle of May, Patricia and Tracy reached out
and Neil and they said, you know, I had done
(20:59):
invest north West for about a decade and it was
a very successful kind of longer form, in depth interview show.
And they said, what if we launched the six thirty
and we'll let you and the producer and Tracy kind
of come up with the template for.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
It, and we should say that Neil and Patricia and
Tracy are our bosses. Yes, so they're at the top
of that triangle right there.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Well, and they just no broadcast their instincts. You can
trust their instincts. And this is a is a business
that ebbs and flows and changes, especially with the introduction
of tech and smartphones and web and streaming. But they
they they their compass is usually spot on.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
The other thing, I want to kind of just put
in here and tell me if I'm not remembering this
all correctly, but it was COVID, and so we had
kind of launched into a six thirty to give information
on COVID.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, COVID hit early on. I think the first case
was over like in Snohomish County in February of wind
I believe Mary and I came off the morning show
in May. Yes, and so once the time we launched
the six thirty June one of twenty twenty, and we
were in the middle of a pandemic and that was
important to just get information out at that time, and
(22:14):
that was kind of the focus of the show and
it became successful. People connected to it for whatever.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Reason, And why do you think that is? And when
you were putting this six thirty, because it was your
baby this is your baby, the six thirty and so
it's kind of your love child, your brain child. What
I mean when you came up with that format, what
were you thinking of? What were you going to give
the viewers?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
You know, I just tried to be like detailed, direct information,
give them as much information, tap experts to interview that
will educate somebody if they want to learn about certain something.
And that was kind of the whole focus of the
of the show. And then the rest of the show
(22:58):
was we like to call it just a freight of news.
We're not going to waste your time. That was our
model when we launched the show, and it was really
just we're we have a twenty two minute news window
outside of the commercials, and we're just going to give
you is We're going to overload you with information and
hopefully it'll stick. That was the thought process organically at
(23:18):
the beginning of the stage.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
And I'm saying, getting you got to the point, and
I don't mean that like as direct as it sounds,
but I think people wanted that. They wanted that tell
me what I need to know.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I think there were a number of things, a number
of factors that were in that that moment and I
just said, I want to drive back down to fundamental journalism, conversations,
question and answer. My opinions do not matter. And that
(23:50):
was kind of the premise and we kind of just
nurtured that and grew that from there. And people did
they they they do the hard think.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
No, I'll go ahead and say it for him. Your
show has been number one for years now and just
one of the I think, such a well done show,
and I understand why people latched onto that because you
are giving an extra I say extra. And this is
where I'm going to transition a little bit. And if
you haven't gotten to know Sean in the last minutes
(24:25):
that we've been talking, I'm going to tell you a
little bit about him. What drives Sean is passion, passion,
just passion, grit, integrity. You are if you're in, you're in,
you are all in in this business. And we talked
a little bit about where some of that comes from.
(24:46):
You come with that little bit of a chip on
your shoulder, you come with that drive. But who were
your influences? Who did you draw inspiration from? And then
I want to talk about I want to talk about
who Sean is.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Well, my influencers were my parents, both strong personalities. My
dad was in broadcasting. My mom was was born in Germany.
English is or second language. She moved to Spokane when
she was twenty six, did not know English. But she
is a fiery, wait bright personality and just there's a.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
There's a she's amazing.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
There is a foundation and a determination in her that
is second to none. And I am a mama's boy.
I love my mama. And I was the youngest of
three boys too, and so you know, and my older
brothers and my oldest brother, Pete, he worked for Boeing
for years. Just brilliant, smart, but so different than I am.
(25:42):
He's an introvert. I'm not necessarily an introvert. And and
so those were kind of the the personal influences that
were kind of formed who I was when I was
really young, and I was observing and absorbing at that time.
So I would say, you know, close family at that.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Point, depth comes from life experience and you have a
lot of depth. Well that's where we connect because we've
been through the fire in different levels in our personal lives.
And I think that that's how we've been able to
support each other because we understood that when we were here.
(26:22):
You put on a face and you do what you
need to do. You check it at the door, so
to speak. Absolutely, But there is a lot going on
behind the scenes as well.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah. Well, you know, if you've had adverse times, you
know it's like, why is this happening to me? Or
what is this? And we've been there for each other
in tough times, and luckily we have other people around
us that have as well. But I do when you
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get out on the other side of it, you do
realize that you grew as an individual, and it creates layers,
and it creates death, and it also is like a
big exclamation point on you getting out of your own bubble.
And I think that was the biggest takeaway for me.
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I appreciate each day. I appreciate the gifts I have
in my life so much deeper than I did before
adverse things happen in my life. You know, my son's mom,
Ryan's mom passed away and I have I'm remarried to Sarah,
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who I've known since nineteen eighty four. We were always friends.
There was no you know, dating or anything where just
there was a deep respect and we kind of always
stayed in touch and without her. Yeah, I mean that
was just a hard, hard thing on my son. And
luckily he has Sarah has four kids, and so Ryan
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has four siblings now and they're all thriving. And at
the end of the day, when you take stock and
what you're doing in life and what it means to you,
and you look at your kids and they're thriving, and
more importantly, they're good human beings and they're outside of
themselves and they help others. To me, that is the
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true foundation and common denominator that we should all strive for.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Well, we were working together when everything happened with Katie,
with Ryan's mom. And it can drive you in two
different directions, right, because it can make you a little
bit like edgy. I know this just from my own experiences.
It can create an edge, but it also creates this
(28:47):
extreme softness because all of a sudden, you're understanding things
that you didn't want to really be a part of understanding, Right,
there comes new depth with that. You're also like realizing
that that's most important.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
The things that frustrated you before no longer frustrate you.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Amen, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Absolutely, And you know you just life presents you challenges.
It is what you make it, and that was my mindset.
And Sarah's just a rock star and just just as
grounded and supportive as you'll ever find. And the kids
and Clayton and Mitchell and Isabella and Maria and Ryan.
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You know, that's my family. And I do think I
ended up where I was supposed to be. And I'm
still very good friends with Ryan's mom's family, and we
stay in touch and there's a respect and you know,
you can go through tough things in life, but they
don't have to define you. They can help you become
a better person. And I would say that's the best
way I can describe it. And I just appreciate things
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so much much deeper. I always was appreciative, but it's
just a completely different level. And you know, you've had
really tough life experiences as well, and that's but I
love that I get to come to work with you
every day, and that's that's what makes the team. What
you see on the air, you know, you can see
good broadcasters, whatever, but there's a there's an authentic and
genuine friendship here. Good and bad. This spar we we laugh.
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I mean it runs the entire but that's when you're
that way, it's authentic, it's real.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Well, I would definitely say our relationship is incredibly real.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Unless it tells me what to do. No, that's what
I do.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Oh no, definitely not.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
No.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I think that our I mean, we've been through the
highs and the lows, so to speak, like we've moved
on in life, you know, together with you and Sarah.
I love Sarah's sh she loves you a little bit.
I do love her lots. When I first met her,
I was like, yes, that is like the perfect match
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for you, and I think that you guys support each
other just so well in life in general.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
We were laughing the other day because we're talking. We're like,
we're both kind of dominant personalities, but it works.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
But it does work well.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
As my mom says, she's great for you, but you're
great for her too.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yes, you know that is that's what we call win wins.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
It was a win win yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, so okay, yurki. Yeah. I think you both are
very lucky and I love seeing you so happy.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
And I well, I appreciate that, Leslie, but like you've
seen the darkest days behind the scenes, and you don't
see that on the news, but you know, and I
had only known you a couple of years. But you know,
I've mentioned a couple of times, but I usually don't
if you watch some news, I rarely, rarely talk about
myself purposefully. It's that get out of your own bubble thing.
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And you know, my brother committed suicide in twenty ten
overdosed on pills, and he had struggled for a long time.
And when things like that happen, it resets you in
such a deep way that if you're not listening, you're
losing you know what I'm saying. And every time there's
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been one of those instances in my life, I stop
and I reflect and I chew on it and I
work through it and I process it and I'm not
afraid to and I went to counseling, and I'm not
afraid of that. I think that is you have to
really dig in and confront the things that are hurdles
in your life to overcome what has happened to you.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Those are two huge, enormous losses to go through in
one lifetime. Yeah, yeah, two very personal, you know losses
to go through. It really hard. It also connects you
to people and That's why I think you connect to
people because you're not just start reading a story. You're
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connecting and you're telling that story and you understand it.
And I think when you're looking at that camera, it's
like you're looking at anybody who's going through that and
saying I got you.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Well it just I think in this role, and we're
lucky to do what we do. We are, especially with
the longevity and you know, and we stand on the
shoulders of people that came for us and Dan and
Stephanie and what a legacy there and if you don't
respect that, then what are you doing? You know? And
so I take it super serious. It's a huge responsibility.
(33:36):
But I always try if somebody messages me, I try
to respond with social media. It can be hard, but like,
if somebody sends me a thoughtful message, even if they're
critical of what we're doing, if they're not just flamethrowering
you if there if it's a critical message, but it's
thought out, I'm like yeah, and I'll write them back
and I said, you know what, I see your point.
(33:57):
Let's talk this through. And I think there's that's important.
You can't just think you're doing a great job into
nowhere and let it fall into the abyss. You have
to have those barometers and check and balances to make
sure you're staying true to the idea of the job
when you first took it.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, you brought up social media, so I'm going to
go there.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Everybody's lived that. Anybody listening is late.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, you know, and I will say that's been. That
was kind of a game changer, I think, because we
also went through that transition of social media, uh in
our in our careers together, because that was that was
non existent when we were starting out and now is
just such a prevalent thing in what we do on
a daily basis, and talking about people reaching out to you,
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and that can be overwhelming and great and difficult all
at the same time. And I say overwhelming because it
can be a lot. I say great because people can
be amazing and we really do want to hear your feedback.
We do, and we will look at it objectively, and
we will if there is something legitimate that we want
to change or need to listen to, we will do it.
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But then there's the hurtful stuff that comes in and
to me, I'm just like, oh, that's killed me. At times.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah, well, we've spent many hours talking about this and
and things that have been said to you or things
that have been said to me, and it's you. It
ebbs and flows based on your daily mood and how
you're going to absorb what somebody says and how you're
going to interpret it. And I tell you, for a
long time for me, I mean that would those those
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hateful comments would they would They would slow me way down.
I won't, they wouldn't stop me in my tracks, but
they would slow me way down.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Kind a place in your hand I do.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
And it's like you're just out here, given everything you
have to try and do a good job and try
and you know, bring some kindness and light in the world.
And you know there are those that will just just
take out any way they can. And I've gotten better
at it. I'm not saying, you know, there are days
it still gets me. I mean, if I'm just going
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to be real and authentic, and but then you realize,
would they say that to your face? I don't think
they would say that to your face. And if they
said it to your face, the response you're going to
give is going to be a lot stronger than again,
on a keyboard.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
It's true. I've learned the art of block. I think
you have too, because I am super sensitive, so it
takes a.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Lot for me to block somebody because I always try
to say, look at a different perspective. But there definitely
is that breaking point where.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
We're done, yes, and you don't need to be subject
to that. I call it abuse. It's online abuse. It
really it can be depending, you know, and I guess.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
It crescendos into abuse.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yes, But I always say I live by now and
I know you know this. It's like the players aren't
going to criticize because they're on the field, they're playing
the game, they know how hard it is. It is
the people in the chief seats that are going to criticize, why, well,
the seats are cheap, they're great. They have no clue.
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They're just sitting up at thirty thousand feet looking down
criticizing because they have no clue what it takes to
do whatever they're criticizing.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
I couldn't agree stronger. And I'm going to say this.
I think if I was just to put a percentage
on it right now, I would say eighty five percent
of the people that respond to us on social media
are fantastic, amazing, And that doesn't mean they're building us
or telling us how great they are. But there's a
real dialogue about news content or weather or community events
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that we're part of and appreciate you guys being part
of Bloom's Day or Hoopfest or the Lilac Parade, which
we're doing here this year. And fifteen, maybe even ten
percent are the ones that, for whatever reason, it builds
them up to take somebody else down.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yeah, and you have to think about that.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
You try to maintain that perspective. I think some of
the social media platforms are a little kinder than the others.
And I'll just leave it.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah, that's probably good. Yeah, that's good for me.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
I'm not used to being interviewed.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
I'm used to do. It's so fun.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
It is fun. And thanks for having me on. And
can I just say super proud of what you're doing here.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Your workload is massive right now. And I texted you
that on Saturday and I said, I see you.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Thank you, And I do appreciate that because you do.
You do see what it takes to do all of this,
and I want to say thank you to you for
the years of just being my friend, being an incredible coworker.
You've taught me a lot over the years, and you've
also been there for me in some of my darkest
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days where I wonder do I want to keep doing this?
And you've always been a cheerleader. So thank you for that,
and thank you for what you do for the integrity
of news every single day. Thanks, because I don't think
it's an easy place to say these.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Days, it's not, but it's important.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
But it's important.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
And I'm as passionate as I've ever been. And I've
always said I if I start to feel that passion waning,
it might be time to pivot out. But I'm not there.
In fact, i'm more passionate than i've ever been. And
thanks to you for being a friend. And we have
a good relationship because here's the foundation of it, which
we don't talk about a lot of TV. But I'm
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not going to tell you what you want to hear.
I'm going to tell you what you need to hear.
I'm going to tell you the truth, and sometimes it's
like a velvet hammer, but you do the same for me.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
That's true. I think that's one thing. Yeah, I think
that's very correct, and it took me a little bit
longer to get to that place. But I think that
we have that relationship now and it's not we've been
through a lot. Yeah right, I would say that we
are very much like brother and sister, where sometimes I
walk her away, I'm like kind regards.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
You know, and then I just put my head down, put.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Your head done, or you know, vice versa. But we
we've had our moments where we've disagreed, we butted heads.
That's just normal though, because we work so closely together
and we both have a huge passage.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Would you rather have it that way than tip tone
around emotions and stuff?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (40:17):
I mean serious, No, I did, like, if I can,
if somebody is super direct with me, at least you
know where you stand. I work with that all day
every day. Yeah, it's the ones that don't say the
direct things to you, you know, and we just are
not that way. It's a very very candid related. There
are times where like we get going, but we're the
fiery personalities. But look at you know, I'm I'm not
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successful because of me. I'm successful because our team, the
the you know, the legacy. Like I said of the
anchors before, us, the reporter, forced the producers that worked
with me when I was producing, the kind people that
I work with like you, and you know, the younger generation.
We have some really talent people. And I've always said,
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you know, it's funny when they come in the door
and they've watched us for years and they kind of.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Like tiptoe, like should I go talk to me?
Speaker 1 (41:09):
And then they're like, oh my gosh, yeah, you're cool,
you know. And I said, look, and I always say
the same thing. If you want to learn and you
want to absorb, I will go out of my way
to help you. If you come in entitled, I don't
have any time for that. And I'm very direct that way.
And so many of them want to just learn, and
I said, I will help you get to where you
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want to get to with whatever knowledge I can give
you that I've picked up from other people along the way.
But there were people that always went way outside of
their comfort zone to help me. And I think you
have to double down and return that favor to the
younger generations that are coming up.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Yeah, I think that makes a big difference. And if
they can learn by example, which we try to be
an example, and they carry on what we've learned. So
I call it legacy. Yeah, legacy for sure. All right, Well,
we have newscasts that we have to go do, so
you know, I think we should leave it a go
big or go home. Yeah, so cheers, cheers, And I.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Just want to say thanks for having me on and
thanks to all of you for supporting Leslie's podcast. This
is the company pitch part where they told me I
had to do right.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
I'm paying you right here.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
No, but seriously, and I just I want to end
with I appreciate you, good times bad. We're here. We
do care about each other. You care about my family,
I care about your family, and we care about you.
You do feel like family. Many of you say that
to us. I don't know if that's because we're good
at our job or we've just been around.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
A while for a minute.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Not bad for a kid that used to run the
streets in North Spokane with his brothers and go to
North Town when it was still an outdoor mall. And
you know, we have ties this community and that matters.
And I just think I thank you for just being
a friend along the way.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Well, I thank you for being a friend along the
way as well. I appreciate you and all that you bring.
And I appreciate you for taking the time out of
your day to day because it's busy day as well.
If you put in a lot down there to hang
out with me up here, I'd loved it.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
All right, everybody, go make the rest of your days
the best of your days. You know we're going to,
so we'll see you tonight.
And I remember when you came in and I just said,
I said, you're right where you need to be.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Yes, that is exactly what you said.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
And I kind of looked to me like, oh, I
think we're going to get along that.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I think this is going to be if this go
work out okay, because we understood that when we were here.
You put on a face and you do what you
need to do. You check it at the door, so
to speak. Absolutely, but there was a lot going on
behind the scenes as well.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah, he would call me after I would do a
lifetime He goes, how do you how do you not stumble?
You don't stumble? And I was like, oh, I stumble,
You're just overlooking some some blemishes.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hi. I'm Leslie low Welcome to Leslie's Low Down on Life. Hi, everybody,
I have got a very special guest in the studio today.
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I'm super excited that he's here. I mean, if you
don't know him, you should probably crawl out from that
rock you've been hiding under for how many years? But
this is my good friend Sean Owsley, also known as
my partner in crime other half. We've been hanging out
together for seventeen years now. Here. So Sean anchored the
(01:17):
wake Up Show for many years now the main Acre
and again my partner on the five, six, and six thirty.
You created the six thirty. We're going to talk more
about that. I mean, you just have such a long
history here as well as you know places like Knoxville, Tennessee,
which again we'll get to more on that here in
the Psyca. But do you remember when we first met,
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knew I was going to put you on the spot.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Ge said, is there anything off limits? And I said, no,
We're an open book. That's what we love to be.
You know, you just have to be yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It's to fire away.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
It is weird. I'm usually asking the questions, so.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
We're gonna have to answer the question.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
It's Leslie's world and I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So I'm going to tell I'm going to start with
this because I actually met your dad before I met you.
I met your dad because he was an instructor at
the American School of Broadcast at school that I went to.
And your dad was so like, ah, he was magnetic, right,
larger than life. That's a good way to describe your dad.
But he was so proud of his son. Sean, and
(02:19):
he was so proud of all he had done, all
he had accomplished, and then he had to tell me
about want to buy a truck. I mean, we just
he used you as an example in school the entire time,
which was so much fun because I felt like I
knew you before I ever met you.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
He you know, me and my broadcasting career really from
its inception, was kind of the seed that was planted
by watching him. I was four years old. He was
in the overnight shift on radio. He went by the
nearly famous Gary Charles on radio, and I remember when
they were still together. My parents divorced when I was five,
(02:58):
so I remember when they were still together and my
mom carrying me up like midnight one am to watch
him work. And I think that's where that seed was planted.
He was he was just an open book. He was
a kind, kind human and super talented, amazing folk singer.
I mean, we can get into all of that, but
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you know when your parents are like so proud of
you that they embarrass you. You know, both of my
parents or that way, and I loved that. Before he
passed away in two thousand and three, that I had
come back from Tennessee and I was I was, you know,
reporting and doing a little anchoring here at KHQ, and
he would call me after I would do a livestime
(03:43):
and he goes, how do you How do you not stumble?
You don't stumble? And I was like, oh, I stumble.
You're just overlooking some some blemishes that I'm working too
to get better. But he was a perfectionist. His preparation work.
He used to when he did radio, he would go
down every day and buy the US say Today paper
and come up with little tidbits for his show. And
(04:03):
he spent hours prepping for his radio show the next day.
And in the decade of the eighties, he was the
number one DJ on Katie RK for basically that whole decade.
And I miss him. But he shaped who I am,
alongside my mom and my brothers and my family, and
that legacy that's something that can never be taken away.
(04:24):
And I didn't expect this because I'm usually pretty stoic,
but when you brought him up, I got emotional because
he's been gone twenty two years now, But you know what,
You're carrying on a legacy of a kind human that
tried to make the world better in the smallest way
he could, however, he could every minute that he lived.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, it was pretty fantastic. I learned a lot from
your dad. And I remember when I left the other
station and I came to notch up Local Cage Q.
That was just the mighty cue when I got here.
But I remember walking into the newsroom and I was intimidated.
This is the place I'd always wanted to be. This
(05:03):
was like the King of Kings and Spokane, and I
watched you guys, and I was in all of you guys,
and of course when I saw you, I was like,
oh my gosh, that's Sean Ousley. That's you know, I
know his dad, and his dad is so proud. And
I was, you know, intimidated. But you were so welcoming
right off the bat. Do you remember that day?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
You were right by the entry door, over by the
file cabinet when you first walked in, And I obviously
knew some of your history, not not like we know
each other now, but and I just knew it's easy
to see talent when you watch it, even though we
didn't know each other, that it's so easy to spot talent.
(05:42):
And I think your magic was then it's even more
so now. It's just authenticity and warmth. People want to
talk to you, and I.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Know you need me to pay you now or do
you want me to pay you later.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
We're building up a big bill here, but that I
was the delivery.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It's a really good yeah, just put it on my job.
So you started here, and I want to take people
all the way back because I love I love your
career path because it is just full of tenacity and
grit and hard work. And you earned every bit of
where you are right now. But you walked in this
(06:24):
building and you were willing to do everything. So take
us from ground.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Floor ground floor. I went to Eastern studied broadcast journalism
with a radio television minor. I mean there are TV
departments not even there anymore. It became a film department.
Loved my time at Eastern. I was. I was born
in Spokane in nineteen seventy. Two older brothers, Kevin and Pete,
were all four years apart. My oldest brother, Pete and
I have same birthday on July eighth. I grew up
(06:50):
in North Spokane. My parents divorced. My mom moved us
to Seattle. I grew up in Seattle. Then I came
back home. My dad was always here, so I was
back in Spokane quite a bit visiting, and then I
decided to go to Eastern. Graduated from Eastern, and at
that point I just wanted a job. I wanted to
foot in the door. I didn't care what the job was,
I didn't care what it paid, and I interned here
(07:12):
my senior year. I have to shout out the director
of journalism at Eastern, Steve Blewett. He got me the internship.
He saw something in me. He's still around and I
just appreciate those are the people that make a difference
in the trajectory of your life, and so I want
to recognize Steve, but got my foot in the door.
My first job here was first day officially on the
job was January one, nineteen ninety three. I was an
(07:34):
overnight tape editor on Saturday and Sunday mornings and I
made five dollars an hour. And I couldn't have been.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Happier tape editor. Back to my good old days. Yes, yes,
be kind rewind. You know, so how did you How
were you able to keep moving up the ladder? What
did it take?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Well, you know, I think I had a little bit
of a chip on my shoulder. I was the first
one in my family to graduate college, and there's there's
there's a makeup in me that's a little bit like,
doubt me at your own peril. I will prove you wrong.
(08:16):
And I've kind of always had that little bit of
a chip on my shoulder. And I remember before I
started working at HQ, I got a job interview within
the state I won't say where, smaller market. Didn't have
a coat, borrowed a coat, it was too big for me.
Face was still breaking out. I was so young. Borrowed
(08:39):
a car, drove down there, had my ten minute video
reel that I had recorded at the KHQ studios in
my internship, and went in. The person was forty five
minutes late to our meeting, put my reel in for
ten seconds, ejected it and said, I'm gonna be real
(08:59):
with you. You don't have it. You will never work
in this business. That was my first official interview.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
How do you get past that?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
But then she said, but I'll offer you an internship,
and I was like, no, thank you. I even you know,
you know, yes, you know when to pivot. You have
to trust your instincts even if you're devastated. And I was,
I mean, I was so excited and I decided to
And this kind of tells you a little bit behind
the curtain with me. Okay, all right. I walked to
(09:33):
the station across the street without an appointment, asked to
see the news director here, welcomed me in, looked at
my stuff, and he goes, I, you know it's rough,
but I see talent there. We don't have any job openings,
but stick with me. Reach back out to me every
three months. So when one person tells you no, there's
another person around the corner that's gonna gonna lift you
(09:54):
up and going to boo you and inspire you. And
and he did. Then I ended up getting the job
here a Q.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
See this is what I love. We do have so
many similarities because I think our career paths, although different
and timing wise, like everybody told me you can't do that,
and I was like, watch me. So we both have
a little bit of a chip on her shoulder.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
And I remember when you came in and I just said,
I said, you're right where you need to be.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yes, that is exactly what you said.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, And you kind of looked at me like, Oh,
I think we're going to get along.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I think this is going to be at this go
work out okay. But you were at that point you
were anchoring part of the wake up show or the
morning show here yep for KHQ. But you went on
from intern to tape editor.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
To photographer for about almost two years. And then at
that point I had a broadcast sternalism degree. I always
knew I wanted to write. That was my passion. I
eventually wanted to report or anchor news. I didn't know which,
but I was. I was open to whatever path presented itself.
And I remember I went to then news director Patricia
McCrae and I just said, look, I want to wear
(11:06):
a tie, I want to write, I want to come
in and she said, give me some writing samples. And
you know, she took a chance on me, and it
really changed the game because she gave me a day
side producing job, which usually if you don't have producing experience.
You started on the weekends back in and I think
that was ninety four and I was producing the six
o'clock show out of the gate. Did I make mistakes? Absolutely?
(11:30):
Was I green? Yes, But you're not going to outwork
me and and I will I will learn, and I
will close those loops and I will get better. And
that was my mindset and that really kind of changed it.
And then a little bit later they asked me to
come and do some sports emergency fill in and that's
when I first got in front of the camera.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Okay, so tell me about it, because you were producing
for some strong personalities.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Sure, so how.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Did how did that role shape you into your on
because I would imagine that it has to give some
kind of a feed to what you're doing. I mean,
because you see both roles behind the camera and then
now you're in front of the camera. How did that
shape that?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I think all of it. You know, it's kind of
a recipe that all gets cooked for a while and
you come out of it with your own identity, your
own voice. And I think, like you said, there were
some real strong personalities that I was producing the show for.
Some of them were tougher on me than others. Some
of them were very very guiding and kind, and you
kind of take all of that and then you decide
(12:32):
how do you want to do the job, And based
on how you were treated, how do you want to
treat people that are coming up and learning, and that
was really important to me, and I just I'm not
one to raise my voice. I always find if there's
somebody that's learning, it's super important me to teach. And
I think I get bullied by that by taking somebody
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and say this didn't work. But instead of making them
feel feel bad, you show them the process so they
learn and nine times out of ten, if you're inspiring somebody,
they'll buy in. They don't repeat those mistakes. So those
that have lived it, we have to share it.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, and I think that that makes it a big difference.
Having been in so many different roles, you understand what
it means to be in that role.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
So everybody's trying to do their best, yes, and everybody
has going to make mistakes. We still make mistakes.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
We do.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I still make mistakes. Make That's why this works, right,
unless he's like, oh, yeah, that's my guy.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
True, true. Okay, So you've been in the business now
for over thirty years, which again you started when you're five. Yes, Yes,
you started when you're five, which is amazing to me.
You're barely out of diverse and you're in the business.
I mean, you left to Spokane. Let's talk about that
(13:56):
for a second, because that was something I didn't I
don't think I fully understood until a couple of years
working with you that you and your family moved. You
moved to Knoxville, Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, so I was reporting here. I was a general
Simon reporter. I was the web designer. But you know,
we had a long, long term, established anchors and there
wasn't room to grow. And I'm one that I was.
I always have to be growing some way, even now
to this current day. How can I challenge myself? How
can I be better than I was yesterday? And that's
kind of always been my mindset, and there was it
(14:32):
was kind of locked in here as far as the
anchor stable, and I wanted to anchor. I knew that's
what I wanted to do. So I sent videotapes back then,
you know VHS reel, and I just I looked for
job openings. There was a site called TV jobs and
they listed all the job openings, and I just I
(14:54):
was willing to move anywhere. I was willing to because
I had to get some anchoring experience wherever somebody would
take a chance on me to do that. That's where
I was at that it was kind of a crossroads
for me. And I got a call from one of
the kindest people ever. Name is Brian Traring. He was
a news director in Knoxville, and he said, I'd like
(15:14):
to fly in And I was like, Knoxville, what's it yet?
You know where is that? You know I'm looking at
the day, I was like, whoa, that's that's way down
in the south, just above Georgia, you know. And I'd
never been out of Washington State, and I was like,
I flew down and the audition went well, and they
had already hired the female co anchor for the morning
(15:34):
show there, and you know, I I was not back
a few days where they called made me a job offer,
and it was it was a little scary because I
was leaving my home base, my foundation. Spokane or Seattle
had been my home base my entire life. But and
this is something that I share with with the younger
(15:57):
generation coming up. It was one of the biggest and
the best growth periods of my life because really, you
and your close family that you're with's that's all you
have in the immediate vicinity. And it was just a
great opportunity at wat E TV down there, anchored there
for almost three years. My son Ryan was born in Knoxville,
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and that's when at that time, me and his mother
decided to come back home and we came back with it.
I didn't have a job, and I was interviewed and
offered a job at a different station here, and Patricia
reached out and said, please talk to me before you
do anything, and I said okay, And and it was
(16:40):
the absolute right choice because look at the longevity and
the and the great people that I work with. And
you know, I don't ever take for granted what we do.
It's personal for me and it does make me a
little emotional because I'm appreciative every day of what we do.
And it's not easy, and we take arrows, but if
(17:04):
you stick to integrity, doing the absolute best you can
and class, I think it all washes out in the end.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah. If this is something you have to have passion
for to do, you can't just want to see your
face on TV. There has to be a passion and
a drive behind it to sustain it.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, we've been through a lot together, So let's talk
about that the morning show, Because you were on a
very successful morning show with some of the greatest of
the great you know that.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
It was you know what I loved about that team
obviously George and Dave, Shelley, Matt It you never knew
what was going to happen next. Oh no, there was
this spontaneity that's really hard to create in broadcasting, and
it was some of the best times I've ever had
in my career, I tell you what. You never knew
(18:02):
where George was going to go next.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
That was the best part about it, and.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
It was he was the funniest person you will ever
be around.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, George Moppin was one of a kindly was Yeah,
he's an institution. He is an institution out of his
own booth at the fair and George.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Everybody wanted to hug George and every time just hug
him long enough for it to get awkward and like
George too far.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
But that's what made George George.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
He was just a special special talent.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
So they they that morning show every you know people
moved on. They needed to reconfigure everything, and so then
they brought me down from nights where I was with
Dan and Stephanie, and they brought in CALLI Chalk, and
we started a brand new morning show called twenty fourteen
(18:54):
Wakeup Show.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I want to say twenty four somewhere around there.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I want to say maybe I thought we were on
it for like ten years, or I was on it
for like ten years or something like that.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Well, when you get up a two thirty AM, it
feels like.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Twenty, so maybe thirty, but we're only twenty. But we
are twenty. Don't forget that. But we had a great
run with that show. That was something we created and
we did and we had a great time. We had
a lot of fun, We made some memories. But then
there came a time that you decided it was time
(19:27):
to move on.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Well, I had done combined with Tennessee and then back
in Spokane. I had done the morning shift for twenty years. Yeah,
twenty one and the two thirty wake Up. I had
a lot of people to say, oh, it must get easier,
and I was like, no, it gets harder as you go.
And I just, you know, just for where I was
in life, I just felt I needed to do something else,
(19:56):
and I felt strongly about that. But it was we
had created something so magical and so fun, and we
had a great chemistry and so it's hard to leave
something that's successful, but doesn't mean it's not right to
leave something that's successful. You have to trust your instinct.
I've always done that, and there was really nowhere else
(20:16):
for me to go. And you know, I had a
good rapport with management here and we had some really
hard conversations and we had agreed that I was there.
There had been some rumors that I was retiring, which
was really never really the truth, but I was going
to take the summer off from broadcasting and I was
at peace with that. I just was I was like,
(20:39):
I need to reset here and kind of fill the
gas tank back up personally, and that was the plan,
and I never I never got to the summer because
in the middle of May, Patricia and Tracy reached out
and Neil and they said, you know, I had done
(20:59):
invest north West for about a decade and it was
a very successful kind of longer form, in depth interview show.
And they said, what if we launched the six thirty
and we'll let you and the producer and Tracy kind
of come up with the template for.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
It, and we should say that Neil and Patricia and
Tracy are our bosses. Yes, so they're at the top
of that triangle right there.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Well, and they just no broadcast their instincts. You can
trust their instincts. And this is a is a business
that ebbs and flows and changes, especially with the introduction
of tech and smartphones and web and streaming. But they
they they their compass is usually spot on.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
The other thing, I want to kind of just put
in here and tell me if I'm not remembering this
all correctly, but it was COVID, and so we had
kind of launched into a six thirty to give information
on COVID.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, COVID hit early on. I think the first case
was over like in Snohomish County in February of wind
I believe Mary and I came off the morning show
in May. Yes, and so once the time we launched
the six thirty June one of twenty twenty, and we
were in the middle of a pandemic and that was
important to just get information out at that time, and
(22:14):
that was kind of the focus of the show and
it became successful. People connected to it for whatever.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Reason, And why do you think that is? And when
you were putting this six thirty, because it was your
baby this is your baby, the six thirty and so
it's kind of your love child, your brain child. What
I mean when you came up with that format, what
were you thinking of? What were you going to give
the viewers?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
You know, I just tried to be like detailed, direct information,
give them as much information, tap experts to interview that
will educate somebody if they want to learn about certain something.
And that was kind of the whole focus of the
of the show. And then the rest of the show
(22:58):
was we like to call it just a freight of news.
We're not going to waste your time. That was our
model when we launched the show, and it was really
just we're we have a twenty two minute news window
outside of the commercials, and we're just going to give
you is We're going to overload you with information and
hopefully it'll stick. That was the thought process organically at
(23:18):
the beginning of the stage.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
And I'm saying, getting you got to the point, and
I don't mean that like as direct as it sounds,
but I think people wanted that. They wanted that tell
me what I need to know.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I think there were a number of things, a number
of factors that were in that that moment and I
just said, I want to drive back down to fundamental journalism, conversations,
question and answer. My opinions do not matter. And that
(23:50):
was kind of the premise and we kind of just
nurtured that and grew that from there. And people did
they they they do the hard think.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
No, I'll go ahead and say it for him. Your
show has been number one for years now and just
one of the I think, such a well done show,
and I understand why people latched onto that because you
are giving an extra I say extra. And this is
where I'm going to transition a little bit. And if
you haven't gotten to know Sean in the last minutes
(24:25):
that we've been talking, I'm going to tell you a
little bit about him. What drives Sean is passion, passion,
just passion, grit, integrity. You are if you're in, you're in,
you are all in in this business. And we talked
a little bit about where some of that comes from.
(24:46):
You come with that little bit of a chip on
your shoulder, you come with that drive. But who were
your influences? Who did you draw inspiration from? And then
I want to talk about I want to talk about
who Sean is.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Well, my influencers were my parents, both strong personalities. My
dad was in broadcasting. My mom was was born in Germany.
English is or second language. She moved to Spokane when
she was twenty six, did not know English. But she
is a fiery, wait bright personality and just there's a.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
There's a she's amazing.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
There is a foundation and a determination in her that
is second to none. And I am a mama's boy.
I love my mama. And I was the youngest of
three boys too, and so you know, and my older
brothers and my oldest brother, Pete, he worked for Boeing
for years. Just brilliant, smart, but so different than I am.
(25:42):
He's an introvert. I'm not necessarily an introvert. And and
so those were kind of the the personal influences that
were kind of formed who I was when I was
really young, and I was observing and absorbing at that time.
So I would say, you know, close family at that.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Point, depth comes from life experience and you have a
lot of depth. Well that's where we connect because we've
been through the fire in different levels in our personal lives.
And I think that that's how we've been able to
support each other because we understood that when we were here.
(26:22):
You put on a face and you do what you
need to do. You check it at the door, so
to speak. Absolutely, But there is a lot going on
behind the scenes as well.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah. Well, you know, if you've had adverse times, you
know it's like, why is this happening to me? Or
what is this? And we've been there for each other
in tough times, and luckily we have other people around
us that have as well. But I do when you
(26:51):
get out on the other side of it, you do
realize that you grew as an individual, and it creates layers,
and it creates death, and it also is like a
big exclamation point on you getting out of your own bubble.
And I think that was the biggest takeaway for me.
(27:14):
I appreciate each day. I appreciate the gifts I have
in my life so much deeper than I did before
adverse things happen in my life. You know, my son's mom,
Ryan's mom passed away and I have I'm remarried to Sarah,
(27:36):
who I've known since nineteen eighty four. We were always friends.
There was no you know, dating or anything where just
there was a deep respect and we kind of always
stayed in touch and without her. Yeah, I mean that
was just a hard, hard thing on my son. And
luckily he has Sarah has four kids, and so Ryan
(27:57):
has four siblings now and they're all thriving. And at
the end of the day, when you take stock and
what you're doing in life and what it means to you,
and you look at your kids and they're thriving, and
more importantly, they're good human beings and they're outside of
themselves and they help others. To me, that is the
(28:20):
true foundation and common denominator that we should all strive for.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Well, we were working together when everything happened with Katie,
with Ryan's mom. And it can drive you in two
different directions, right, because it can make you a little
bit like edgy. I know this just from my own experiences.
It can create an edge, but it also creates this
(28:47):
extreme softness because all of a sudden, you're understanding things
that you didn't want to really be a part of understanding, Right,
there comes new depth with that. You're also like realizing
that that's most important.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
The things that frustrated you before no longer frustrate you.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Amen, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Absolutely, And you know you just life presents you challenges.
It is what you make it, and that was my mindset.
And Sarah's just a rock star and just just as
grounded and supportive as you'll ever find. And the kids
and Clayton and Mitchell and Isabella and Maria and Ryan.
(29:35):
You know, that's my family. And I do think I
ended up where I was supposed to be. And I'm
still very good friends with Ryan's mom's family, and we
stay in touch and there's a respect and you know,
you can go through tough things in life, but they
don't have to define you. They can help you become
a better person. And I would say that's the best
way I can describe it. And I just appreciate things
(29:59):
so much much deeper. I always was appreciative, but it's
just a completely different level. And you know, you've had
really tough life experiences as well, and that's but I
love that I get to come to work with you
every day, and that's that's what makes the team. What
you see on the air, you know, you can see
good broadcasters, whatever, but there's a there's an authentic and
genuine friendship here. Good and bad. This spar we we laugh.
(30:25):
I mean it runs the entire but that's when you're
that way, it's authentic, it's real.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Well, I would definitely say our relationship is incredibly real.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Unless it tells me what to do. No, that's what
I do.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Oh no, definitely not.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
No.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I think that our I mean, we've been through the
highs and the lows, so to speak, like we've moved
on in life, you know, together with you and Sarah.
I love Sarah's sh she loves you a little bit.
I do love her lots. When I first met her,
I was like, yes, that is like the perfect match
(31:08):
for you, and I think that you guys support each
other just so well in life in general.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
We were laughing the other day because we're talking. We're like,
we're both kind of dominant personalities, but it works.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
But it does work well.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
As my mom says, she's great for you, but you're
great for her too.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yes, you know that is that's what we call win wins.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
It was a win win yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, so okay, yurki. Yeah. I think you both are
very lucky and I love seeing you so happy.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
And I well, I appreciate that, Leslie, but like you've
seen the darkest days behind the scenes, and you don't
see that on the news, but you know, and I
had only known you a couple of years. But you know,
I've mentioned a couple of times, but I usually don't
if you watch some news, I rarely, rarely talk about
myself purposefully. It's that get out of your own bubble thing.
(31:54):
And you know, my brother committed suicide in twenty ten
overdosed on pills, and he had struggled for a long time.
And when things like that happen, it resets you in
such a deep way that if you're not listening, you're
losing you know what I'm saying. And every time there's
(32:16):
been one of those instances in my life, I stop
and I reflect and I chew on it and I
work through it and I process it and I'm not
afraid to and I went to counseling, and I'm not
afraid of that. I think that is you have to
really dig in and confront the things that are hurdles
in your life to overcome what has happened to you.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Those are two huge, enormous losses to go through in
one lifetime. Yeah, yeah, two very personal, you know losses
to go through. It really hard. It also connects you
to people and That's why I think you connect to
people because you're not just start reading a story. You're
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connecting and you're telling that story and you understand it.
And I think when you're looking at that camera, it's
like you're looking at anybody who's going through that and
saying I got you.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Well it just I think in this role, and we're
lucky to do what we do. We are, especially with
the longevity and you know, and we stand on the
shoulders of people that came for us and Dan and
Stephanie and what a legacy there and if you don't
respect that, then what are you doing? You know? And
so I take it super serious. It's a huge responsibility.
(33:36):
But I always try if somebody messages me, I try
to respond with social media. It can be hard, but like,
if somebody sends me a thoughtful message, even if they're
critical of what we're doing, if they're not just flamethrowering
you if there if it's a critical message, but it's
thought out, I'm like yeah, and I'll write them back
and I said, you know what, I see your point.
(33:57):
Let's talk this through. And I think there's that's important.
You can't just think you're doing a great job into
nowhere and let it fall into the abyss. You have
to have those barometers and check and balances to make
sure you're staying true to the idea of the job
when you first took it.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, you brought up social media, so I'm going to
go there.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Everybody's lived that. Anybody listening is late.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, you know, and I will say that's been. That
was kind of a game changer, I think, because we
also went through that transition of social media, uh in
our in our careers together, because that was that was
non existent when we were starting out and now is
just such a prevalent thing in what we do on
a daily basis, and talking about people reaching out to you,
(34:48):
and that can be overwhelming and great and difficult all
at the same time. And I say overwhelming because it
can be a lot. I say great because people can
be amazing and we really do want to hear your feedback.
We do, and we will look at it objectively, and
we will if there is something legitimate that we want
to change or need to listen to, we will do it.
(35:08):
But then there's the hurtful stuff that comes in and
to me, I'm just like, oh, that's killed me. At times.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah, well, we've spent many hours talking about this and
and things that have been said to you or things
that have been said to me, and it's you. It
ebbs and flows based on your daily mood and how
you're going to absorb what somebody says and how you're
going to interpret it. And I tell you, for a
long time for me, I mean that would those those
(35:38):
hateful comments would they would They would slow me way down.
I won't, they wouldn't stop me in my tracks, but
they would slow me way down.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Kind a place in your hand I do.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
And it's like you're just out here, given everything you
have to try and do a good job and try
and you know, bring some kindness and light in the world.
And you know there are those that will just just
take out any way they can. And I've gotten better
at it. I'm not saying, you know, there are days
it still gets me. I mean, if I'm just going
(36:07):
to be real and authentic, and but then you realize,
would they say that to your face? I don't think
they would say that to your face. And if they
said it to your face, the response you're going to
give is going to be a lot stronger than again,
on a keyboard.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
It's true. I've learned the art of block. I think
you have too, because I am super sensitive, so it
takes a.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Lot for me to block somebody because I always try
to say, look at a different perspective. But there definitely
is that breaking point where.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
We're done, yes, and you don't need to be subject
to that. I call it abuse. It's online abuse. It
really it can be depending, you know, and I guess.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
It crescendos into abuse.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yes, But I always say I live by now and
I know you know this. It's like the players aren't
going to criticize because they're on the field, they're playing
the game, they know how hard it is. It is
the people in the chief seats that are going to criticize, why, well,
the seats are cheap, they're great. They have no clue.
(37:13):
They're just sitting up at thirty thousand feet looking down
criticizing because they have no clue what it takes to
do whatever they're criticizing.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
I couldn't agree stronger. And I'm going to say this.
I think if I was just to put a percentage
on it right now, I would say eighty five percent
of the people that respond to us on social media
are fantastic, amazing, And that doesn't mean they're building us
or telling us how great they are. But there's a
real dialogue about news content or weather or community events
(37:42):
that we're part of and appreciate you guys being part
of Bloom's Day or Hoopfest or the Lilac Parade, which
we're doing here this year. And fifteen, maybe even ten
percent are the ones that, for whatever reason, it builds
them up to take somebody else down.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yeah, and you have to think about that.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
You try to maintain that perspective. I think some of
the social media platforms are a little kinder than the others.
And I'll just leave it.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah, that's probably good. Yeah, that's good for me.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
I'm not used to being interviewed.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
I'm used to do. It's so fun.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
It is fun. And thanks for having me on. And
can I just say super proud of what you're doing here.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Your workload is massive right now. And I texted you
that on Saturday and I said, I see you.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Thank you, And I do appreciate that because you do.
You do see what it takes to do all of this,
and I want to say thank you to you for
the years of just being my friend, being an incredible coworker.
You've taught me a lot over the years, and you've
also been there for me in some of my darkest
(38:50):
days where I wonder do I want to keep doing this?
And you've always been a cheerleader. So thank you for that,
and thank you for what you do for the integrity
of news every single day. Thanks, because I don't think
it's an easy place to say these.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Days, it's not, but it's important.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
But it's important.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
And I'm as passionate as I've ever been. And I've
always said I if I start to feel that passion waning,
it might be time to pivot out. But I'm not there.
In fact, i'm more passionate than i've ever been. And
thanks to you for being a friend. And we have
a good relationship because here's the foundation of it, which
we don't talk about a lot of TV. But I'm
(39:30):
not going to tell you what you want to hear.
I'm going to tell you what you need to hear.
I'm going to tell you the truth, and sometimes it's
like a velvet hammer, but you do the same for me.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
That's true. I think that's one thing. Yeah, I think
that's very correct, and it took me a little bit
longer to get to that place. But I think that
we have that relationship now and it's not we've been
through a lot. Yeah right, I would say that we
are very much like brother and sister, where sometimes I
walk her away, I'm like kind regards.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
You know, and then I just put my head down, put.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Your head done, or you know, vice versa. But we
we've had our moments where we've disagreed, we butted heads.
That's just normal though, because we work so closely together
and we both have a huge passage.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Would you rather have it that way than tip tone
around emotions and stuff?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (40:17):
I mean serious, No, I did, like, if I can,
if somebody is super direct with me, at least you
know where you stand. I work with that all day
every day. Yeah, it's the ones that don't say the
direct things to you, you know, and we just are
not that way. It's a very very candid related. There
are times where like we get going, but we're the
fiery personalities. But look at you know, I'm I'm not
(40:41):
successful because of me. I'm successful because our team, the
the you know, the legacy. Like I said of the
anchors before, us, the reporter, forced the producers that worked
with me when I was producing, the kind people that
I work with like you, and you know, the younger generation.
We have some really talent people. And I've always said,
(41:01):
you know, it's funny when they come in the door
and they've watched us for years and they kind of.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Like tiptoe, like should I go talk to me?
Speaker 1 (41:09):
And then they're like, oh my gosh, yeah, you're cool,
you know. And I said, look, and I always say
the same thing. If you want to learn and you
want to absorb, I will go out of my way
to help you. If you come in entitled, I don't
have any time for that. And I'm very direct that way.
And so many of them want to just learn, and
I said, I will help you get to where you
(41:31):
want to get to with whatever knowledge I can give
you that I've picked up from other people along the way.
But there were people that always went way outside of
their comfort zone to help me. And I think you
have to double down and return that favor to the
younger generations that are coming up.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Yeah, I think that makes a big difference. And if
they can learn by example, which we try to be
an example, and they carry on what we've learned. So
I call it legacy. Yeah, legacy for sure. All right, Well,
we have newscasts that we have to go do, so
you know, I think we should leave it a go
big or go home. Yeah, so cheers, cheers, And I.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Just want to say thanks for having me on and
thanks to all of you for supporting Leslie's podcast. This
is the company pitch part where they told me I
had to do right.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
I'm paying you right here.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
No, but seriously, and I just I want to end
with I appreciate you, good times bad. We're here. We
do care about each other. You care about my family,
I care about your family, and we care about you.
You do feel like family. Many of you say that
to us. I don't know if that's because we're good
at our job or we've just been around.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
A while for a minute.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Not bad for a kid that used to run the
streets in North Spokane with his brothers and go to
North Town when it was still an outdoor mall. And
you know, we have ties this community and that matters.
And I just think I thank you for just being
a friend along the way.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Well, I thank you for being a friend along the
way as well. I appreciate you and all that you bring.
And I appreciate you for taking the time out of
your day to day because it's busy day as well.
If you put in a lot down there to hang
out with me up here, I'd loved it.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
All right, everybody, go make the rest of your days
the best of your days. You know we're going to,
so we'll see you tonight.
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