Meet My Coach: Matt Claussen

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When training for any athletic event,a lot can go wrong. Even worse,
your mind can start playing tricks onyou. So it helps a great
deal to have a great coach guideyou on the road to become a legend.
Let's Grow Big Together, the podcastthat climbs the StairMaster along with you,

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but not on the same machine becausepeople are gonna look. I'm Fause
Refernos and I'm Mark Phillion and thisseries we're taking a look at the passion
for muscle adventures in bodybuildings, musclegods, muscle worship and pride fill advice
to put on the games today.I am just a few weeks out from
my first bodybuilding contest at a youngage of fifty one, and we're thrilled

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to introduce to you my coach,Matt Clawson. As a powerlifter, Matt
Clawson is highly regarded as a fourtime National Powerlifting champions As a bodybuilder,
Matt Clawson has won five major championships, including first place in the two thousand
and five NPC East Coast Classic,and guided over seventy five clients to get

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stage ready for their own content.Plus, are powerlifters really using butt plugs
to stabilize their core and weight liftinghorror stories to put a chill down your
spine. So is this episode sixtynine or that'll come later? Okay for

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fans of the show who know,we've been a little away for a while,
busy handling a lot of stuff ontop of the pile. For my
first time in my life, I'mdoing a bodybuilding show, the NPC Mid
American Winter Classic on December December secondright in Bloomington, Normal, Illinois.

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And it's my pleasure to introduce toyou guys today my coach who's been working
with me to get stage ready forthe competition, Matt Clawson. Welcome to
Let's Grow Big together. Hello everybodyout there, glad to be here.
Thanks guys, thanks for being mycoach. By the way, my mother
has this like a belief that yourparents can only take you so far and

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then it's the rest of your life. You have to find people to sort
of be mentors, you know,teachers, father figures, mother figures to
you to sort of complete the jobthat your parents couldn't do. So and
one thing that I've really been struckby in talking to your clients, and
you know, like John Paul whointroduced me to you. He said that

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you're a really good father figure foryour clients, that you're like you're not
just teaching them about bodybuilding, butyou're like guiding them into changing how they
think about food, nutrition, theirbodies, and their lives. What is
it that makes you want to getinto coaching as opposed to just being a
bodybuilder and a powerlifter. You know, I think it first started as a

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passion for myself. You know,I think that's where most things start,
is I had a passion for bodybuilding, fitness and everything like that, and
through training and everything that I've learned, it's just lended me an awesome opportunity
to pay it forward now and toyou know, pay it forward to with
coaching and just trying to better everybody'slife. You know where that came from.

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I mean luckily I had like reallygood parents, so I have like
an awesome father. Did it wasyour dad a lifter? My dad was
a lifter. Yeah, yeah,he was a lifter. He got me
into lifting originally, so I wouldsay, you know, a big influences
him. He's always been someone who'shad my back, been there for me,

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given me good advice, and youknow, sometimes when I'm giving advice,
I feel like I sound like him, but which is scared? Which
is scar Yeah, I like,I'll never grow up to be like that.
Suddenly you look in the mirror You'relike, oh my god, Oh
my god. But it could beworse people. So, you know,
I worked with him in the barand restaurant business growing up, So I

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think I just saw how to runa business, how to treat other people,
how to treat different types of people. You know, the bar and
restaurant business is something where you're gonnahave to deal with men, women,
all different ages, customers and uh, viewpoints, viewpoints, things like that.
And it was always treat people fairlyand know that everybody ticks a little

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bit differently, and they got toapproach things fairly. But everybody needs their
own like personal touch. You weretelling me that one client drove you crazy
because she was on her phone.Oh hire top. You were training her,
yeah, and she was like KimKardashian like, She's like, yeah,
I'm right now lifting with my couchand you're like, lady, focus

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on the lift. Yeah. Imean she would just come into the gym
and she'd be on her phone.I wouldn't even get to talk to her.
It would be on the phone fromyou know, point A, and
she'd just be like, you know, just tell me, you know,
just tell me what to do,okay, lady. I mean I'm getting
paid, she's paying me the money. Anyways, how long? How long
did that relationship last? Not long? You know, it was probably like
six months. I just stuck withit, and then after a while we

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just kind of just drifted our ownways. And she wasn't someone I was
going to like reach out and tryto connect with again. You know,
it's just not worth it. Whydo you think she behaved that way?
Was she using the phone as anemotional wall between her and her body?
I think some of the people thatI trained come from a background where they
live in a bubble and they dealingwith a normal person is just like they're

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above that, or it's they're toogood for that. Well, you're just
not. You're not just a normalperson. I mean, you've won titles
right here, you're two hundred andthirty pounds, lean, five ten and
a half in height, and likehow what how many contests have you done
in your life? Personally bodybuilding?Yeah, and powerlifting too. Yeah,

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so bodybuilding shows, I've done six, and then powerlifting, i'd really i'd
have lost I've lost count. I'dhave to really think it's over ten or
right around ten. Oh my god. So you started liking when you're in
high school. Yeah. I didmy first bodybuilding show when I was when
I was seventeen. Wow, howdid you place the first one? I
won? I won the team Yeah, I won the teen class. There

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was only a couple of people init. And then I got second in
the men's open, which this wasa natural competition, so they drug test
you and they polygraph test you,and I they do. They polygraph test
the winners and they drug test thewinners as well. And then I got
Yeah, I got second in themen's open, which was done by height,
so that wasn't even by weight atthe time. It was just done

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by height, and that kind ofjust I was hooked after that, really,
you know, the bug had gottenme. As a lot of people
say, did you have a coachfor your first contest? I did,
and it was it was a friendof yours from high school, or it
was a friend of mine from highschool. I didn't know him in high
school. He would have been whenI was like a freshman. He would
have been just graduating, so he'sa little bit older. But it was

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kind of one of those things likea friend of a friend, you know,
a guy knows him and uh,got hooked up with him and he
is actually small world. The showyou're doing, Fausto, he is the
promoter of it. Oh wow reallyyeah, Oh that's great. I was
like, I know he's cooking againstyou. Yeah, he's two fifty jacked.

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It's like you were telling me that. Like you're in high school and
you're like, hey, mom,dad, I'm going to this guy's house
and I'm going to his bedroom andtaking my clothes off and practicing both and
your parents it's you can be anyoneyou want to. Yeah. I mean
at that time, it was justlike I was so focused on the bodybuilding
stuff and I wanted to be proand I wanted to be the best I

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could be, So yeah, goingover and getting in my underwear for some
dude, it was just like,yeah, no big deal, it is
weirdn't even it didn't even seem weirdto me, But it is weird right
now because I feel like I'm wearingthe most clothes around you. Yeah,
because because every time we've been we'vebeen training. Afterwards we focus on the
coaching, And to me, I'malways like, and I imagine that all

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your clients feel this way that,Like, you know, you're wearing your
underwear in front of another guy.You know, you're like muscle posing for
the muscle posing, and you're like, oh, please be gentle. Yeah.
I mean just I think the moreyou do it, the more you
get just used to it. Now, I'm just like, just take your
clothes off, let's go, let'ssee what you got. So so,

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like, you know, when youwere telling your parents that you were like
bodybuilding competition and you were like goingto this guy's house and practicing or posing
where they're like, you know,were they wondering if you were gay or
something? Yeah? I think theywere. I don't think they were ever
wondering if I was gay. Ithink they were wondering, you know,
what the heck is this guy doingdoing like this bodybuilding stuff, flexing his
muscles, eating six times a day, and you know, not going out

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with friends, not going out withgirls, things like that, just totally
focused on the eating and lifting.Yeah, yeah, man, you should
be getting drunk on Saturdays and havingsex with as many women as you can
and skippy on your homework. That'snormal. But I have to say my
parents were really They saw that Iwas like really dedicated and focused to it,
and I think they kind of werejust like, Okay, it's positive.

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He's not out drinking, you know, he's he's in the gym,
so let's just go with it.And I was, you know, I
was as far as school goes,I was horrible, you know what I
mean. I I just probably haveundiagnosed ADHD or something like that. Just
really hard for me to concentrate.Never did good in any classes or anything
like that except physical education or eventhat. I almost I actually I almost

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flunked. I almost flunked gym,to tell you, to tell you the
truth, And it was because theyput me in weightlifting, and I was
like, what do you guys do? I don't want to. I weightlift
after or you know, after schoolat five pm. That's you know,
I'm bodybuilder, that's my schedule.I don't lift at nine am, So
I would just sit there. Whyeveryone else is lifting? I would just
sleep on the bench, I say, And the guy gave me a d.

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Luckily the teacher liked me. He'slike, I should give you an
F because you did absolutely nothing thissemester. He's like, but I'm going
to give you a D minus.So you probably had the best body in
the class. I did, sohe's like, I can't flunk you.
It's like I got to give youa D minus. That was the same
experience for me. Like I wasgoing to gyms and lifting weights in eighth
grade and the pe teacher was justlike, you know, one hundred and

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twenty five pounds, wet guy whowould bring a bunch of volleyballs out.
Actually reconnected him with Facebook this week. I said with him, I was
like, what was your obsession withvolleyballs and stuff? And he's like,
eh, the kids liked and Icould read my morning paper and drink of
coffee, you know, And hesaid he actually apologized. He was like,

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I'm sorry that I don't dodge verymuch in the schools in volleyball.
Volley yeah, yeah, not dodgeball. That was traumatic and stuff. But
but you know, like all thekids are like, oh, you go
to the gym, so they wouldget into an arm wrestling contest and I
always win because these kids are inPuerto Rico, they eat a lot of
fried food, so nutrition's not atthe top of the game. And my
older sister, she had this bookby Gail olik Nikova, well called Legs,

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and she was a female bodybuilder inthe nineteen eighties. She was kind
of like a contemporary of Corey Everson. And in there we were like,
it was the first bodybuilding book thatwe ever had, and we read that
like a bible. It was awomen's bodybuilding book. But for me,
I was like, okay, sothis makes sense. So we understood like
protein and nutrition at a very youngage, you know. And for me
it was like throughout the course ofmy life there was just so much misinformation

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and so much you know, evenlike today when you tell people like I'm
getting ready for a bodybuilding contest,they just spew all this kind of nonsense
at you. Yeah bro science.Well before bro science existed, you know,
before Internet existed, people will likestill have this. How do you
navigate all that like misinformation because somuch of the stuff is anecdotal. Still,

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yeah, I think you got tostick with the evidence based stuff.
You know, you got to getdown and dirty into the details. Read
some of the studies, or atleast follow somebody who is actually looking at
the studies and the actual science ofwhat's going on. I think it's important
to realize that the ideas of fitness, building, muscle, nutrition, the
supplements, the drugs you know thatgo into it, not much has changed

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in the last you know, twentyfive thirty years. We've got some different
supplements, you know, We've gotdifferent compounds guys are using, some people
are doing high carbs, lower carbs, But at the end of the day,
it's all the still, the staplesare still all. It seems much
more readily available because before you'd haveto go and buy, like, you
know, buy a book, ormaybe you'd have to subscribe to a magazine,

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and now you can just find thingson the internet. On Instagram is
such an influence on everyone and fitness. Yeah, I think Instagram, social
media. It's one of those thingswhere it's great because everybody has a voice,
and then it's also bad because everybodyhas a voice. You're trying to,
like, like you were saying,kind of like search through all the
noise and all the static to getto like the meat and potatoes of what

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it takes to build muscle and tolose fat and to look good and feel
good. But conversely, there's youknow, for a lot of people who
can't afford a coach. Yeah,you know how most of the listeners and
myself we went into forums and we'relike, oh, this is you know,
and in these forums there was allkinds and there still is a lot
of outrageous information. Sure. Onethat I stumbled upon last week was powerlifters

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putting butt plugs. Butt plug buttplugs, you know, a rubber shape
dildo up their butt to prevent forstability. Now is it a dildo or
we're talking a plug more of aplug. Yeah, so to know what
a butt plug looks like. It'skind of like a pyramid with like a
little So basically, the idea isto prevent your blowout from crapping in your

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pants. And they're like arguing thatit also helps to stabilize your urine,
and like women and men do this, and I was just like and I
started digging around on the internet andenough people either sarcastically or practically said yeah,
I've tried it and it does work, but it's not for everything.
The idea is like, because youif you power if you're gonna blow,

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you could blow your sphincter or something, right, or you're prolapsed not real
I have now there is a pictureof it online of someone who supposedly I
mean it's with yeah, the prolapsedand it's uh, he blew right through
his pants. I don't know ifthe picture is real, but you know,

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the butt plug it might work forsome people. It might be a
motivation if nothing else feel good?Right? I mean, well, what
do you say, like if yourclient's like, hey, you know,
man, I'm gonna try this,I would say, you know, go
for it. You know how itturns out. Well, aren't you gonna
as a coach, don't you haveto like try the things that you're clienting.

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I'll I'll just take their word forit. Maybe my girlfriend might try
it so well. Because you've dateda lot of women bodybuilders and powerlifters too,
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'vedated. Yeah, I've been in
that in that realm for sure.Dated my fair share that you ever dated
a woman who was stronger than you, good question, No, but I

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did date a girl who powerlifted,and she bodybuilt, and she could lift,
she could out Honestly, she couldprobably not outlunge me, but she
would do more lunges than I wouldwant to do in a workout. You
know, she could do like fiftysixty pound dumbells just up and down you
know, the gym floor, andI'd be like dying after like one or
two sets. Well, like atAmerica's gym, we see these like really

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strong women who you know, lookfantastic. It's say women have more endurance,
right, especially lower body stuff.I think for marathons and walking and
all that. Yeah, you findthat women have more endurance, and they
also can just be punished more asfar as threshold. Yeah for that that
that so domestic violence isn't really bigdeal. They yeah, they can take

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a beating. I mean they're reallygood, but they do they just seem
I think it actually has to dowith like going back to childbirth, like
having that they have to have thatreally strong nervous system to be able to
handle that. And uh yeah,in the training they can really just they
can do a lot more just morevolume than guys can do. And it
probably has to do with the factthat they're lifting usually less weights. So

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if you're lifting less weight, you'regonna be able to do more volume.
I don't know. I'm telling youhip thrusts and women, well that's what
I mean. They beat men allin strength. It's all across the board,
you know, Chris Palmstead versus likesome of these chicks at America's Gym.
You're like, I've never seen anybodylike do five or six plates.

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Just it was like death by snoozsnow, you know, and I've seen
yeah, yeah, I know agirl I mean one hundred and thirty two
pounds squatted over four hundred pounds insane. Wow, So that would be equivalent
of like a two hundred pound guysquatting like six eight pounds. Yeah,
it would be something yeah, probablyin the six six fifty seven hundred something

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like that. Yeah, I meanextremely strong, Yeah, very strong.
And when you were a bodybuilding youwere also working as a bouncer at your
dad's bar as well. Yes,So when I was doing both, I
mean I was bodybuilding and powerlifting andI was bouncing at Hawkeyes Bar and grill.
Where's that at fourteen fifty eight WestTaylor Street in Chicago, Illinois.

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West Taylor, Yeah, that's downtownpretty much was like South South looflets like
Taylor and Laughlin is the actual twostreets, but you're Taylor and Ashland uic
is right. How do you havepeople the bums rush out the door?
Yeah, yeah, you gotta.You know. My thing was I was
always big, obviously, just fromworking out, and I was always calm.

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That's just like my demeanor. AndI would just go up to people
and just start talking to them ifthey were drunk and they needed to leave,
instead of like grabbing them and beingall rough with them, be hey,
you know, put your drink downfor a second, let me talk
to you. And I just kindof nudge him towards the door and we
would just be having a conversation backand forth, you know, small talk,
and before he knew it, wewere at the door. And at

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that point, I'm like, allright, if I got to push this
guy out, no good deal.And I would just kind of let him
out the door. Most of thetime, it would just let him out
the door. Hey, you've gota bartending When you cut somebody off,
a lot of times they're really likeyou're doing me a face. Yeah,
nine times out of ten. Everynow and then there's somebody that's a real
asshole. Yeah, And I wouldtry to just keep it at that.
I just found that trying to gettough with these guys certain people. You

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know, you know that you knowthe person if you see him. It's
just like it's gonna be better ifI just try to talk to this guy.
But basically, if you can getthrow hands behind their back and you
can just push them right out rightup, yeah, it's easy enough.
Or you get someone else to puttheir hands behind their back and you punch
them in the face, and youknow that works too. I mean,
well, because I imagine if youknow, and I've observed this, like
in the viral videos of Arnold Schwarzenegger, is like, you know Arnold,

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now, is how old is?He's like yeah, I think he's now.
Yeah. Yeah, he's a silveror Fox, right, And so
he's out in public meeting people,and inevitably somebody tries to beat him up.
Did you see that video where theguy got he got like drop kicked.
Yeah, the guy drop kicked himand and Arnold didn't even notice.

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Yeah, he like just took it. He turned around and he was just
like I'll be back. His securityguide was just like pushing his face into
the into the gym court, Yeahit was, but you did any has
anyone like try to like attack youbecause they saw you jacked and they're like,
I could take this guard down onein the bar A couple of times

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I just got like cold cocked,like trying to kick people out of the
bar, like you get like,you know, just a punch from the
side, and you don't even know, like your ears ringing, you're not
sure where it came from, typeof thing. And then I mean one
time, this is when I wasvery young, twenty one or twenty two,
we were at is U and meand a bunch of friends and my
friend basically got punched at a frathouse. And I didn't know. I'm

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twenty one years old, I didn'tgo to college. I don't know how
all this college stuff works. SoI end up just punching the guy who
punches my friend, my best friendin the face, and the whole like
frat house erupts, basically because Imean, because they're all you know,
because I exactly I punched the fratboy in the face. Oh wow,
And so we're just I'm rolling onthe ground with one guy. My friends

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are all dart and everywhere trying toget out of there. I get up
in a hallway in the doorframe,and I'm like trying to talk to the
guy. I'm like, you don'twant to do this, you know,
you don't want to fuck with me. Look at the size of me.
And he just looks and he's like, all right, get out of here,
and so I run. I runout the door, and we get
into a car, and then wejust see like kind of like, you

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know, the house, like awave of people exiting the house as we're
in the car leaving. And weget back to my friend's house and we're
there and then two of these fratguys decide to come back. They're coming
back looking for me because I punchedtheir buddy in the face. Were at
my friend's girlfriend's house at the time. And they come up the stairwell and
he's got a We met him inthe in the stairwell. So we see

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them coming from the balcony. Sowe go out into the hallway going into
the stairwell. We meet him inthe stairwell. We're right there and the
guy has a beer bottle in hishand. A guy has a beer bottle
in his hand and he swings hitsme over the head with a beer bottle.
It cracks on my head and luckilyit didn't cut my head. It
slit my wrist open a little bit. Do you still have the scar from

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it? Just on my finger,you can see there's some stitches. I
had four stitches on my finger.It cut me here, not too bad,
and it cut me along the sidethere. And then yeah, there
was a fight that ensued and theother guys didn't end up very good.
We ended up better than the othertwo. It was four on two in
a stairwell. Because you know,like on my heaviest it's like people have

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always wanted to punch me. Yeah, well they want to punch you in
the chest. Yeah they see that, they see your chest and they just
want to come up and hit it. And I'm always like, I'm made
out of glass. This is forshow, not for go. You know,
I'm like, I choose piece.Do they hit it with a fist
or they come like with an openhand and they hit it with the fist

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all of the and I'm like,you know, the weirdest thing is there
was this one woman at work,and for every day I come into work,
she grabs my biceps, and Iwas like, and she's young,
you know, she's like nineteen yearseighteen years old, you know, so
she's a kid, you know.And I was just like and she was
just obsessed with my muscles and stuff. And I'm you know, I'm not,

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I'm no, you know, zandchicken. But she was like,
you know, she she was justand then she tells me that she's a
lesbian, and I was like,that is the weirdest thing. And you
know that muscle is kind of thisuniversal language that even that crosses boundaries of
sexual orientation and gender. Old woman, she was like a grandma. Was
like, was checking out my bicepone day and she looked like she was

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about to touch it and I lookedat it and she stopped and I looked
away. And then she's like Icouldn't resist. And I was just like
what, well, and you knowwhat we see, I mean what we
work out at America's Gym together,and there's like, you know, that's
a serious, hardcore bodybuilding gym andyou see, you know, the future
champions lifting there, and you're justlike, wow, I'm never going to

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get to that point. But it'slike it's it's a marvel to see that,
you know, and you know,and I'm wondering, like from your
vantage point as a heterosexual susgendered guy, Like you know, you see all
those like people kind of like cruisingand checking each other out and stuff,
Like what do you make of allthat as far as just everyone checking each
other out? Yeah? Like itbecause there's this a weird like kind of

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like it's you know, it's asport, but there's a sexual aspect to
it that like if we were playingyou know, volleyball for example, maybe
that might not be the case.Yeah, yeah, you know. I
mean when I'm at the gym,I'm usually just just in the zone,
you know. So I mean thereis that sexual aspect when it comes to
the competitive end of it, youknow, stage and getting judged by people

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with no clothes on. But it'slike anything else, there's like there's multiple
aspects to you know, everything thatyou're going to get into. So there's
like obviously that that side of it, and then there's just the sports side
of it. For me, Ijust got in when I'm in the gym,
I gotta stay focused on the gymbecause yeah, too many tight yoga
pants and good looking good looking people, I will be easily distracted in there.

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Oh, he said, people genderneutral because you're a good look a
guy with a phenomenal body, andI imagine that intimidates people. Yeah,
and so like here straight and straightwomen think you're gay. But it's like
possibly possibly right. And in termsof like the women that you've dated,
like you know that that approached you, like do you approach them or how

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how does that is it online stuff? Or yeah, you know, I
yeah it's online usually now we're atthe gym, but like personally, like
in the past before there was liketender all that stuff. Oh yeah,
I mean in the gym or reallyanywhere. I think naturally me as a
person, I'm a shy, likeintroverted person. So growing up, I
mean luckily I had women who wouldhit on me, you know what I

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mean. So you didn't have todo that. I didn't have to do
a lot of the work. They'renot really shot, yeah, especially this
day and age. So yeah,my hair. If they liked you,
they let you know. And Iworked in a bar from like twenty one
to like thirty, so maybe itwas a little like jaded too. It
was my dad's bar, I workedthere with a bunch of women, so
it was like there, I can't, can I grab it? It wasn't

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Yeah, I didn't have to doit. Let's go. Yeah. And
I worked right upstairs too. Ohreally, I lived I lived upstairs.
I lived upstairs. Yeah, sothe bar was downstairs and I literally would
leave the bar walk to my leftand the next door was it. Yeah
likely actually exactly. So you hadafter hours in your place. We would
do a little bit of that hereand there. Yeah, yeah, a

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little bit of that. And oneof your ex girlfriends most famously worked online,
and I guess it would have beendescribed her as a like a muscle
dominetrix or dom top. Yeah,I mean she did. I mean it
was more like before OnlyFans. Youknow, all the girls now are doing
the only fans stuff. So beforeonly fans there was like just webcamming.

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People do only fans because they getto keep more of the money and they
get to control hot than they postcontent. Yeah. Yeah, And I
don't know if only fans just isjust I think it's more than just video.
You can do anything. You cando anything you want. Yeah,
so you can sing. Yeah,so she was doing before. I mean
that's the way I would describe itas you know before OnlyFans. You know,
it was a site you could goon, you could pay money,

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and yeah, it was kind oflike girls flexing and lo bodybuilders female do
this, you know. Yeah,and you could get paid good money to
go on there. And yeah,guys would pay or whoever would pay you
to look at you. Because ifI go on, like on Instagram and
I see a bodybuilders in Dubai,he's either rich or he's being paid to

(26:57):
be there for sex work. AndI mean, if you're a competitor and
you're dieting and you're competing a coupleof times a year, it's like you
want to you don't want to doa nine to five job, you know
what I mean. If you cansit at home and make money and and
and do your do your thing,you know, more power to you,
you know what I mean? Doit? And what were some of the
things that your girlfriend got into,Like I know that some of these women

(27:18):
like they get paid to crack awatermelon between her legs. Yeah, a
lot of it was more you know, she wouldn't do the webcamming as much.
She was more the administrator. Okay, So she would look over,
you know, all the other girls. But a lot of guys seem to
be into like dirtied underwear if that'sa strength, and stuff like that too,

(27:41):
or they would do some more fetishlike I'm gonna sit on like a
pile of balloons, and it wouldprobably be more like something like that,
Yeah, like the balloon thing,or let me see where I can stick
this cucumber, you know, thingslike that, or even like skatological stuff
like you wanted them to poop onthem? Or yeah, oh yeah,
I was gonna say it would belike soiled Yeah, soiled underwear, poop

(28:03):
in a box and send it tome. Oh wow, yeah yeah yeah.
I swear to god she would showme these messages too. Did you
ever poop in the box? Four? Like one for you? This is
Valentine's. I'm working up a month. It's a big one, so it's
one of my protein lugs. Ilove you, honey. You're like,

(28:25):
oh, you shouldn't have really now. One time I was at the gym
and I was like working out andI had pulled in a full day's work
and I open up the you know, grinder, and this guy's like I'm
watching you from the other side ofthe room. Oh yeah. And I
was like okay, you know,and and he's like, how much will
you uh, how much will canI pay you for your underwear? And

(28:51):
I you know, I work inretail, so I'm like seventy five dollars
shipping handling included, and not realizinghe's in the in the chair, you
know, and and he's like,well, me in the lockers. And
I was like okay. And Igo over there and I'm like, all
right, you know, do youask him if you booped at him,
would like skid mark? Wanted likethat may me extra stinky? Yeah,

(29:11):
like twenty bucks and I'll give yousome skid marks, go up charge them.
That's why my fear is like somebody'sgoing to use the DNA and plant
planet a crime scene and suddenly thecops are knocking on my Yeah, yeah,
I gotta be careful. So thisguy like he's like there and I'm
like, okay, seventy five bucks, give me the money or I'm walking
out, you know. And he'slike oh yeah, you know. And

(29:32):
I'm saying unkind things to him becausethat turns him on, you know,
umulation. I'm like all right.You know, so if you could sell
like three pairs of underwear a day, you could really be you know,
I kind of could be a fulltime. This could be a full time
for you. No. But seriously, like you know, when we were
like in production of the show,it's about, you know, once every

(29:56):
three weeks, somebody like you know, wants to do underwear. And I
even said, like, you know, for fall, it's a pumpkin spice,
you know, so I put alittle pumpkin spice in it, you
know, and stuff, and yeah, I've sold t shirts, tank tops,
underwear, you know, but thistime, I was like it was
the first time, and I wasso excited. And you know, this

(30:18):
is like underwear that I bought atTarget, you know, grandpa underwear.
I was old. It wasn't fashionable, it wasn't sexy, and I was
just like I took it off andI was like so thrilled that I went
to work the next day and Iwas telling everybody at work I sold my
underwear at the gym for seventy fivebucks. And the manager's like, you
got paid more than that coming intowork, you know, yeah, and
she's I was like, yeah,but it was underwear. And it was

(30:41):
the transaction was like ten minutes.And I see how good I am selling
things? No, well, youknow the value of stuff. We have
a friend who's incredibly hot, talented, gorgeous man, beautiful muscles. I'm
not saying his name because it's thisprivate stuff. He told you. I
just overheard the conversation. I don'tremind peeding it. So he's a famous
body. He had a fan whoreally was hot. For me. He's

(31:04):
like, can I buy your underwear? He's just like, oh yeah,
I don't. It's just like okay, so you know, I'll mail it
to you. Just tell me whatyou feel is you know appropriate? You
know what I mean? And I'mlike, oh, he's probably gonna give
a bunch of money because he's sofar hot, and I how fuss is
like how much did you get?And he goes eleven dollars? And I
was just like I just started laughing. He's like, come on, boy,

(31:26):
dollars. You and I have talkedabout it. Yeah, yeah,
you can't even go to McDonald's orthat he has a phenomenal body. Yeah.
And another guy, another zero,throws it all out the window.
You know what I'm saying, notgood in nutrition, likes to you know,
Rick Card likes to party. Yeah, and while he's at the gym.

(31:48):
Sometimes you know, the people whoyou know, as far as like
bodybuilding goes and physique wise, peoplewith the best genetics sometimes they have it
not the hardest, but they haveit the easiest in the sense where they
don't have to really do much correctto get a good physique, and that
can kind of backfire on them,you know eventually in the hair, right,
Yeah, if you put in thework, and you put in the

(32:09):
work and you keep it consistent,it's going to pay off. We'll pay
off. And then also just youcould look healthy and not be healthy,
you know what I mean. Soyeah, it's a double edged sword there.
Well, it's you know, thepeople don't realize and that they are
in a really good shape already andlike eight weeks of conditioning. They could

(32:30):
step on any stage if they knewhow to pose, they could win.
But like you know, and partof it is like that bodybuilding contests are
so intimidating to people, mostly becausethey've never been to one, you know,
and and if people knew that itwas you know, there's different ages
and sizes and you know styles ofbodybuilding that people would participate. Yeah,

(32:52):
I mean I would. I wouldtell anybody who's curious of it to go
to a show, you know,first and check it out, especially one
of these low I don't think you'llbe that intimidated, especially if you have
some workout background and some basis there. Even if you don't, you can
go and enjoy the posing and justenjoy the experience. Yeah, check it
out, you know, go andcheck it out. People who kind of

(33:13):
condemn the sport as a vanity ornarcissism, I would say, try it,
you know what I mean. Doa twelve sixteen week diet and do
everything, and tell me it's justabout vanity and that you know you are
going to get. Part of itis going to be how you look,
and part of it's going to bevanity. But the person you're going to

(33:35):
become along the way, and thecharacter you're gonna have to build, the
discipline you're gonna have to do,all those things, you know, are
not in vain in a sense,you know what I mean. So there's
two sides of it, you know. But at the same time, like
I've talked about this with you whilewe're lifting and you're like, yeah,
yeah, yeah that the bodybuilders getvery philosophical or very like self gelatory,

(33:59):
right, they're all high on theroads, you know. But it's like
a like, and I said thisto a lot of people, it's like,
you know, when you change,if you are what you eat,
and you change what you eat,you change who you are. Yeah,
And that's a profound spiritual journey foranybody to take. And I think you
know as Westerners and especially like Icome from a culture where everything's deep fried.

(34:22):
You know, in Puerto Rico,we deep fried dessert, breakfast,
lunch and dinner. Bananas. Banana'sa big meat, plantings everything. God
bless you guys. Love. Butyou know, it comes with the consequences,
and so changing that is spiritually reallyhard for a lot of people.

(34:44):
It's so hard. It's a spiritualthing. It's also just a genetic hard
wire thing, you know what Imean. Like the hunger and why you
to eat tasty things. It's stuffthat's just hardwired in us. Like when
it's cold, you go get ablanket and put a jacket in. Like
the hunger, the wanting to eatthings when you know, when you're dieting
and being in a calorie deficit.Yeah, you're fighting against every basic human

(35:08):
instinct you have. But yeah,it is spiritual if you can kind of
fight that, because I think whatyou're doing is you're kind of just saying
I'm going to be more disciplined thanmy own desires. And when you do
that, you feel empowered. Youkind of feel like, shit, I'm
in control now, you know whatI mean? My life isn't you know
taking me? I'm taking the bowlby the horns? Repeat that I am.

(35:29):
I am more than my desires.Yeah, like, when you're disciplined,
you know you're going to be ableto be more than what your desires
are. You're going to say,hey, I'm going to delay the gratification
right now for a later goal.The marshmallow test, Yeah, yeah,
all the all the kids that couldsay the marshmallow became serial killers. They

(35:50):
waited. Remember that that study thatwas up marketed. So there's this study
that's like said, if you don'teat this marshmallow will give you two or
some people. A lot of kidswant to I just ate the originally,
and then they did some kind ofstudy about them. But they found out
that this study was like really kindof fake. But the ones yeah yeah,
but the ones who did eat itright away were serial curls. Yeah
they were likeths. Okay, Ihave heard you know IQ IQ like in

(36:15):
kids is a way to test itis by delayed gratification. If you can
tell somebody, hey, yeah,don't eat this now and you'll have more
later. You know, Well,what for you as a kid, was
that hard? Like? Were youthe marshmallow gobbling kid or are the one
who waited? I yeah, Ithink I would have been the one who
waited. I think that's kind oflike I think everybody has, Like I
really believe this. Everybody has likesuperpower. You know, every human being

(36:38):
has like these, has a skillor has an ability that is going to
be better than most anybody else you'regoing to meet or come across. And
I think one of my superpowers isjust like my discipline is just to be
able to just shut off the world, shut off everybody, and just do
whatever it takes. They said thatif you can do a proper bodybuilding workout

(36:59):
without any pre workout, caffeinated drinksor music, you really are doing it.
Oh god, I mean I coulddo that all day. That's like
every that's like every workout pre twothousand. No, I mean you love
your pre workout? Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah, can I do you
remember? Yeah? I mean maybedoes coffee count as a pre workout?

(37:20):
Now? Oh god? Maybe no, I mean maybe not maybe not now
when I was when I was twentyone, yeah, yeah, I could
work out no music, no nothing. I mean we didn't have music.
That's the day. That's what Imean. There was no music. There
was no Did you walk men?Yeah no, because why did we use
the walkman at the gym? Becauseit was it was clumsy. It was

(37:42):
like this big box that you had. Yeah, but as soon as the
iPod came out, you had dipodgame do you remember the CD? The
Walkman like CD players, And thenyou had the case. You had your
little like it was like a neoprenlike little case. You could put it
in and wear it around like almostlike a fanny pack. Well, what
we would do is go to thegym and the person at the front desk
you would give them your CDs andthey would play them in the sound system.

(38:06):
Yes, and you're like can youplay Delight but you know, care
and stuff like that, and itwas like, this is my jam.
You know they got the ten toten CD shuffler. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. And then you know,pre workouts started coming into the market,
and especially with jacked spelled with Athree, yes, which is dime methyl
d m A. It's diet yeah, d m A A, which is

(38:29):
dime methyla. Mean, what doesd A d m A stand for.
Let's google that exactly right. That'swhy we call it d m A so
we don't have to say that realpre workout is dime methyla die meth thal
loah, my la mean won threeand it has meth in it. Good

(38:52):
stuff, great work, one ofthe best pre workouts. And some stupid
kids took half the ball and died. It says meth I'm taking it,
so they made that illegal. Thenthey there was zena Dream that was great.
Yeah. I think I think theXena Dren came first, like the
Eca stacks because we're talking man,that had to go go that's twenty years

(39:15):
yeah, for sure. They hadto band it probably eighteen twenty years ago.
Fen Fenn the fen Fen Yeah,and then came like the first pre
workouts I remember, I don't knowabout you guys, was the BSN Yes,
that was fuzzy, you know,your orange. Yeah, and you'd
put it in your shaker. Itwould be all fizzy and you know,
pop the top off or explode.Yeah. And there was a there was

(39:37):
something called special or Agent Orange Ithink was BSM that did that was East
that had originally had a vedron init as well, and that got banned.
And then there was no explode andyou took that because you went to
the bathroom because it's your pants explode. Yeah, it would be an explosion,
explosive diarrhea. And then after that, you know, the big thing
was later on was a DMAA thatcame in after that, and I thought

(40:00):
that was the best out of allof them. Oh, it was one
just the focus and it didn't makeyou and it didn't make you jittery compared
to some of the other ones.Well, and today I think, you
know, this is not this isobviously underground or you know your doctor is
going to frown upon it. Butusing like asthma medication like clem butuderol is

(40:21):
some people use it as a preworkout, you know, they you know,
shouldn't do it all year long,but they use it to burn fat.
And I think like now, Ironically, when we went to the Arnold
Expo, a lot of these preworkout companies are like, this is stimulant
free now, and you're like,what's the point? Yeah, yeah,
exactly. I think there's just somany stimulant formulas out there right now,

(40:44):
so you're going to get some pushbackwith the non stimulant stuff, which I
think for some people, especially bodybuilders, if you're dealing with like high blood
pressure things like that, stimulants aresomething you really got to be careful with
and and and limit or don't doit all. So because some of the
yeah, the non stimulant stuff,and then even the these cordicoid mushrooms are

(41:06):
really kind of MUTI for some Isaw a lot of the lions, the
lion's maine and things like that.It's just for focus. I never heard
of this alpha brain is one reallyis a one that has a bunch of
different ones in there. H there'sa lot of nootropics. Nootropics exactly,
that's what I exactly, that's theword, the cordicoid mushrooms, the neotropic
stuff. So yeah, you wantto say to like young people who are

(41:28):
like young, you know, datingapps or Instagram or like they're buried in
their phones. Like there's this oneguy we call him Goosebumps because he wears
a goose bump sweater. Don't he'sgonna listen to this. He's not gonna
hear. But like last night Igot into a fight with him because he
was like hogging up the t bartrying to film himself for his Instagram,
you know, and I'm like,buddy, you gotta let me work in.

(41:50):
You know. It's like, yeah, it was late at night,
there was nobody at the gem andthis kid, you know, he looks
great, he's a phenomenal bodybuilder,and he was hogging up the thing and
in between set, his rest timeswere like five ten minutes, and he's
just like, you know, checkingwho's like to status on Instagram. It's
like, what's wrong with letting someonework in? Just work it? Hey,
you want to work in the armies, germs, germs, you have

(42:14):
to go. You talked about bloodpressure because that's something that a lot of
bodybuilders have to deal with because alot of them they are on gear and
their bodies are so swollen, andtheir hearts gets swollen. Their body weights
just high too, and it's justhigh and so blood pressure through the roof,
Well, what do you do aboutthat? I mean, yeah,
I control that. So I thinkthere's a lot of different avenues to go.

(42:37):
Sorry, it's my mother called sorrymom, So blood pressure. Yeah,
you want to get your mom outhere. You want to talk about
you know what I would say,she says, my father would be really
proud, which is a really sweetthing. The only time my father's ever
been proud of me is that hecaught me. He came to pick me
up at the gym and he satdown and waited watch as I finished my

(43:00):
workout, and he was like,my son, that's great. I know.
Otherwise he was always like your disappointment, but that one time he was
just like super proud. But yeah, the blood pressure's there's a few different
avenues you could go. So Ithink one is taking a baby aspirin.
I know that's something that's really simplethat you can do, but it's shown
it's going to help with thin yourblood out, doing some blood drops,

(43:22):
drawing blood out, donating blood.It's another thing that can help. But
where you really want to start isstart with what you're taking. If you're
a bodybuilder and you're taking supplements,you're taking gear, you know, testosterone,
other things. Try to find compoundsat a dose that you can take
where you're not going to have thosetype of issues, or where they those

(43:43):
issues can be limited. A lotof compounds are going to cause high blood
pressure, can cause high blood pressurefor people. We're other ones where it
may not, or it's going tobe a very limited amount if it's still
an issue. If you do thosetwo three things for then medication. Medication
is an easy and it's a foreshoreroute to go to solve that problem for

(44:07):
pretty much everybody. Tell tell marsand if anyone's listening, I would tell
me, oh yeah, sorry,I'm bad with pronunciations of that. Yeah,
but like I like doctors don't wantto the doctor's like where's your gut?
Your off this care and stuff likethat, and you're just like,
oh my god, you know,and tell them A Sartin as a blood
pressure medication is relatively new, andit's something that's very powerful in terms of

(44:29):
just like the side effects are reallygood for you in terms of like burning
fat and lowering cholesterol. There's likeall these really great things about it.
And for the other Sartans don't.Yeah, And and for bodybuilding, it's
just one of those things where don'tlet this go unchecked. Or anybody who's
anybody, Yeah, anybody who's inthe fitness industry or doing this or listening

(44:50):
who has high blood pressure. It'sit's a silent killer. If you let
it go, it's going to destroyyour kidneys. And then you're yeah,
and you're it's a it's going tobe a mess. My blood pressure is
pretty much on in control now,but it's just like it physically just makes
you feel terrible. Yeah, brainfog, you know, you make irrational
decisions to anger, all sorts ofstuff. And so it's just one of

(45:13):
those things where it's like, ifyou could just take a pill and I
could literally just save your life,do it? Do it not? Why
not? I Mean, if we'regonna do this and we're gonna take these
compounds that are going to change thechemistry and our bodies, let's do it
right. Let's do it with theleast harm that we can do. Harm
reduction is the key here. Howmany clients have you had it collectively in

(45:37):
your life? Like probably at leastthrough three hundred, yeah, more than
no, more than that. Imean probably in the five to five hundred
range and over the way, Ilearned so much from observing their behavior at
least, like that's been the casewith me. Like you know, when
I consult with people and say workwith Matt, they're always like, well,
you know, people are very youknow, people have the have money

(46:00):
still are very cautious or intimidated towork with a coach. Yeah. And
the one thing that I see andmaybe you can talk to this more because
you've worked with more bodybuilders, theylove to run gearway too high. It's
like unnecessarily high. Yes, Ithink it's something that has really ramped up

(46:22):
the last ten years, and Ithink the last couple of years, since
we've seen some bodybuilders deaths, peoplehave kind of taken the like I was
saying, the harm reduction type ofroute and taken their health more. We're
taking their health in the more ofa consideration. But yeah, I think
that is a mindset thing, andit comes down to as a bodybuilder,

(46:46):
you want to always do more,you always want to be better, you
always want to lift more. Butsteroids are fun. Yeah, exactly.
Well, it's just that mindset thenthat mindset and that mentality then goes into
your gear used too, where it'slike I just I need to do more.
If I just do another CC,you know, that's going to bring

(47:07):
out that extra definition that's going tomake me freaky in full on stage,
that's going to give me the edgethat the other guy doesn't have. And
the reality is like, there's goingto be a limit for everybody as far
as like steroid gear use goes.It's all going to be kind of genetic
and different, but you're going tofind a limit that you can do healthily
and that's going to be it,and more isn't going to be better.

(47:29):
So I mean, I have generalguidelines of where everyone usually falls. You
know, it's usually in the oneto two grams of total gear use if
they're a bodybuilder, more or lessthan that. Yeah, you know,
it's usually somewhere in that ballpark.But it is interesting, like, you
know, we live in a timeperiod where you know, when I first
started bodybuilding, talking about anabolic steroidswas like a death you know, like

(47:54):
a taboo thing. You know,It's like it was like coming out of
the closet is gay in the eighties. You know, some people would accept
you, but most people would shunyou. And now you know, being
LGBT or admitting that you use anabolicsubstances is not a taboo subject anymore,

(48:14):
which I think is really healthy becauseyou know, the more we can objectively
talk about the things that we doour bodies, the more we can you
know, work to mitigate that harm. Yeah, and how about we even
talk about low testosterone. We talkabout doing testosterone and high testosterone. Maybe
there's you know, there's dangers inyour testosterone being too high, but the
dangers of low testosterone mentally physically isterrible as well. And yeah, you're

(48:38):
doing problems depression. Wait, Imean yeah, and then that that transfers
right to how you look and thenmore to the depression and things like that.
But yeah, teaching people the correctway to do things and getting them
in a healthy range. I'm talkingabout for the non competitor, someone who
just wants to feel health healthy,or feel like they're twenty five or thirty

(49:01):
years old again, you know,when they're fifty or sixty. That's a
possibility today. You know, ifyou do things correctly, if you know
what you're doing. But so manyof these like health clinics or you know,
anti aging clinics like you know,take advantage of people's desperation and stuff,
and they charge a lot of moneyor they like prescribe. Like one

(49:22):
common mistake that I see them isthat they want to and they want to
be in charge of the injections,and they charge you, you know,
like one hundred and seventy five dollarsfor one injection, which is crazy.
And I'm like telling everybody is like, you know, you can do this
on your own. It's not likethat big of a deal, you know.
Yeah, And I think that's thefuture. I think we're at the

(49:42):
point where we have these clinics nowopening up. I think another five ten
years from now, we're going tobe at the point where people are just
gonna be self administering in their house. It's going to be a non non
issue. And once the senators andpoliticians realize that they're going to be able
to get boners, they're gonna,yeah, they're gonna, they're gonna they're
gonna pass, they're gonna legalize allthis. And Joe Biden are juicing,

(50:06):
I mean, yeah McDonald's maybe Idon't know, but you know, they
got Trump and and Joe Biden theretaking maybe maybe g H Yeah, there's
an article on GQ going around.They're like, why are all these older
rich men have these jacked bodies?Basically they're all you know, they're going
to these consultants and getting on testosteronaand other things. Look at Jeff Bezos.

(50:28):
Have you guys seen this guy inthe last like five years. He's
jacked. He looks like ten yearsyounger. He's running around with like twenty
five year old supermodels. It's likeMark Zuckerberg, Yeah, exactly. These
guys are all and then there's youknow, mister X that's his name,
Elon Musk. Oh. He needsyeah, he needs some trend. He
needs that platform. Man Like he'sgot the minas touch but for shit.

(50:51):
But he takes trend. He'll belike in a rocket chip going to Mars,
like next week. He'll be like, let's go. You go to
first, we'll leave them up there, you know. In terms of like,
hey, I'm I'm six weeks awayfrom stepping on stage, you know,
and in my mind I'm just likegoing, oh my god, you

(51:12):
know what I'm I'm They're all gonnalaugh at me, like Carrie, you
know, aren't you supposed to becut for the contests, like, look,
you have like not a lot ofbody fat. You know, how's
that, Matt, how's that goingto happen? We Well, he hasn't
looked at the new diet I senthim, So there's some massive not massive

(51:34):
changes, but changes coming up thelast you know, six eight weeks and
on in it's where the most changeshappen. I was telling him, we're
going to be doing updates, youknow, three days a week, so
you'd be getting pictures more often andmaking adjustments more often. You know.
It's not like you know people whoget into or looking at the outside looking
in, it's not I think theyfeel like it's a cookie cutter thing,

(51:58):
like I'm just going to send Faustoa die it. He's just going to
follow it and magic's going to happen. And that's really not what coaching is.
Coaching is this communication between two peopleand an underth a learning and an
understanding of their body and what worksbest for you. I'm very concerned that
he's not going to lose a lotof the fatty tissue before that. Well,
maybe we'll do something, I am. Yeah, And he's not been

(52:20):
using the waist trainer like you've askedhim to Okay, well, we definitely
I feel we definitely need to gethim. He does put it on and
start singing rocky horror pictures, sweettranss. That was it. I'm no
stranger. This is the first timein my life that I've shaved my legs
to look more masculine as opposed tobe more feminine. Well, we could
say there's good. Yeah, therewill be adjustments weekly, weekly till till

(52:43):
we hit the show, because theidea is you want a small waste.
Yes, we are as opposed towhat he has. Now, Yeah,
should I just more like a Victorianyou know thing and just cinch my?
I mean the Waiste trainer just helps. It's one of those things. Do
I think you're burning more fat wearinga waiste trainer? No, it's like
we're going back to like bro sin. I assume it keeps you less less
so you're not hungry, right,It's kind of like a gastric bypass,

(53:06):
but on the outside it probably cando that a little bit. For more
than anything, it's just for posturereasons, to just constantly be in that
state of like stomach sucked in,chest up, walking around kind of like
that because that's how you're going tobe on stage. Yeah, and if
you can just get that that feeling, if you get that feeling of that
posture constantly, it's going to carryover to you doing it on stage and

(53:29):
it's just being more natural for it. And so Dave contest is like enemas
and laxatives and stuff like that.You know, if it ain't broke,
don't fix it. So you know, we'll see where he looks in like
five or six weeks. The lastweek peak week. It's not magic,
but we will do some like watercutting, sodium manipulation, but all that
stuff's the last like, yeah,just a couple of days. You have

(53:50):
to figure out what it is,right, Yeah, Yeah, you don't
want to do like you know,with competing, you could do things that
like the last week that could makeyou like one or two percent better,
but then could make you twenty percentworse. So it's like weighing out,
like is it worth trying to dosomething risky to just try to get a
little bit better or we like wecould wear last week too, right,

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or yeah, yeah you are liftingweights. I mean the last six weeks
is really depending well, yeah,you're lifting weights, all the way up
to the end. You know,your age comes into a fact or two
of how we approach training and thingslike that getting ready for a show.
So I mean fausto, he's justin an age group where we have Scott

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to make sure it's first. Atthis point, six weeks out in the
most important just to stay healthy.You know, we're not trying to die.
Don't die exactly, We're not tryinglike cause six weeks out in,
you know, six weeks out in, you know, you get an injury
that could just that might you know, be it you know what I mean,
may not be able to recover.Like you're twenty one years old.
So at this point it's about youknow, you reach over forty years old

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and you're six weeks from a show. It's get to the show healthy.
Building muscle is second now, youknow, well like you compared to me
twenty one, where it's like buildingmuscle first, staying healthy. You had
an injury one time before a show, Yeah, I mean the stage.
I still did well. I didn'twin, I got second place. I
think if I I I mean Itore my hamstring bad about six weeks out

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from a show. Hack squatting nineplates on either side, and I just
remember I got a spotter for ittoo, because I knew it was heavy.
I could do it, and Idid three reps clean. I remember
on the fourth rep going down andcoming up and just feeling the side of
my hamstring just just like unzip likea zipper, just on zipping down the

(55:45):
back of my leg. It wasit was like this three different zipper pulling
feelings, and the guy helped merack it and I just just like feel
from something, do you have toget surgery or just it wasn't off the
bone, So I mean for somethinglike that, the general thing with tears
is if it's not off the bone, if you didn't tear it from an

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insertion point, you just let itheal. If you tore it from an
insertion point, then you can reattachit and anchor it back down. So
all these were intermuscular tears, soit was just a matter of like letting
out your muscle bigger over time.Right. Yeah, I tore my bicep
and I tore my bicep, andyeah I did do it. Did do
that. I have a better peekon my one bicep from tearing it.

(56:28):
But that one was rough, andI still did the show that was six
weeks out. I was doing likean hour cardio every day, so I
would just I think I took oneday off a cardio and the rest I
just kind of like limped and didcardio and I did just I just did
what I could do. Basically.It wasn't one hundred percent, it wasn't
pretty, but I did what Icould do. I got on stage.

(56:51):
I had to get on stage forthat show because there was a show prior
to that that I had, Uh, I guess back out of I guess
that is what I did. Ijust decided I wasn't going to do it.
I should have, but I justdecided I wasn't going to do it.
So this show was just like nomatter what, I'm getting on stage,
like I can't let myself down toyou kind of competing again in the

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future or those days behind you,we'll see, we'll see. I mean,
my my health is good, likeI just did my blood work.
Everything is good, so maybe youknow what I mean. I've always said
I would get back on stage aslong as my health is good. But
I'm also telling me, like ifI die, I die, Yeah,
like have a very very nihilistic viewsometimes. Yeah, I mean I have

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this ye when it comes to competing, I have this like warrior like mode.
I go into where it's just like, yeah, I just don't care.
It's not that I don't care,it's just like I'm just like a
warrior, you know what I mean. It's just like I'm going to sleep
on the floor. I'm gonna freakingjust battle every day. It's uh,
I like that challenge. I likethat battle. I like that the suffering

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important is it to set expectations withyour clients, because I've observed this with
other bodybuilding coaches, is that theirclients are mad because they're like I should
be and I followed everything you said, and it's you know, they're mad
because they're not getting the results theywanted even though they followed all the advice

(58:22):
to the letter. Yeah. Imean, like you're saying, you have
to be realistic with people when youstart working with them. Maybe not right
away. You don't need to likeput people down, but like, if
you're not going to be a probodybuilder and you don't have the genetics to
do that and to be at thatlevel, just just level with your client,
be like, listen, We're gonnado the best that you can do.

(58:43):
Don't compare yourself to other people.As hard as that is, I
tell you all the time. Youknow, comparison is the thief of joy
and it is try to just bea better version of yourself. And if
you can do that, you're goingto enjoy the process like so much more
than comparison, end of it.I mean, even me, I was
looking back at some photos a fewyears ago from when I was competing,

(59:06):
and like, the one thing now, looking back on it, I say,
is like, man, I wishI could have enjoyed that physique,
if you know what I mean,Like I didn't enjoy that, Like I
was so in the moment and socaught up in being this like you know,
competing and winning. I didn't evenI didn't get to enjoy as much
of that body as I wish Idid, you know, with pictures and

(59:27):
just having fun a little bit.But yeah, I mean he's got like
getting with the clients. You gottajust just be realistically. That makes me
a little sad though, like tobe like I wasn't able to enjoy it.
But it's it's I tell it asa lesson to other people out there.
If you're doing the same thing I'mdoing, just do it differently.
Enjoy yourself more. I have fundoing this first, because like the chance

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you're going to make a living andmoney being a pro bodybuilder is like probably
pretty slim. Well, even thepro bodybuilders are like hustling and struggling.
And you know, like Mike Metzer, who's a huge influence and you know,
one of the godfathers, you know, founding fathers of modern body building.
Yeah, lived in a van bythe river and probably was gay and

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died struggling with a crippling meth addiction, you know. And he and he
made like record albums that were likeproto podcasts of all this like wild advice,
like I only do one set workouts. You go to the gym and
do one set cold, one set. I think even his nutrition advice was
he had some interesting nutrition stuff aboutnot having to eat that much. Yeah.

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I think Metzer was revolutionary in histhinking with the hit training and I
think you know, Dorian Yates wasafter Menzer, and Dorian Yates, who
was mister Olympia. Menzer was oneof his idols, and Dorian Yates's training
was based around the HIT principles thathe learned from Mike Metzer. So and

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for people don't know, HIT standsfor high intensity just training training. Yeah,
and then there's HI, which ishigh intensity interval training. And yeah,
Mike Mentzer incorporated both of those things. But without Mike Mentzer, we
wouldn't have the a lot of theconcepts of doing shorter workouts and keeping our

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workouts to you know, ninety minutes, you know, or not being in
the gym to three hours a day, multiple sessions, because that's what the
guys in the seventies and eighties weredoing. They were in the gym forever,
all day long, you know.And certainly as a trend that I
see myself, it's like more isn'talways more, Yeah, it's not,
especially as we age and we getolder. Like you, we have to

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recover, you know what I mean. You have to recover to be able
to grow and to continue. Butyou live in your own body, so
sometimes like seeing that change isn't asobvious to you as it is to somebody
else, you know, Like Idon't think of myself as the muscular person,
and then i'm you know, Iwork, I'm the most muscular person
at work, but outside at thegym, I'm like, you know,
I'm on the middle tier, youknow what I'm saying. And it's like,

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and it depends on the gym too, you know, Like if I
go to the Cheetah gym here inAndersonville, I'm usually in the top five,
but if I go to America's gym, I'm in the you know,
middle of that of that range.And you know, it's like in terms
of like comparing yourself to others,you know, sometimes I think that actually
can be a healthy motivator for people, because it's like, you know,

(01:02:27):
you get inspired by seeing somebody that'ssimilar to you. Like I have a
friend of mine who's an electrician who'sthe same age as me, and his
body is phenomenal and he's like Ialmost died of COVID. You know.
He's Polish, sorry doing a Russianaccent, but he's like, I cannot
taste food. I hate eating food. And he looks just like muscles.

(01:02:51):
He sneezes and his muscle's are big, you know, And I'm like,
and so for me, I'm justlike, well, this guy has,
you know, had every challenge thrownat him. He's still just to show
up at the gym. And onetrend that I'm noticing and I wanted to
do you to comment on, isthat somebody said we tend to over emphasize
warming up to our sets. Ifyou know, you can do a ninety

(01:03:13):
pound dumbbell, why don't you andyou're already warmed up, why don't you
just start with that? Yeah,I think that that's a fine idea in
principle, I think it depends onthe individual. Like the older you get,
injuries happen. Injuries happen, soI would always err on the side
of a little bit more caution soyou don't get injured well. And also,

(01:03:35):
what's your idea of warming up?You know, if you if you
walk to the gym, you know, do you have a physical job or
are you coming straight from there orare you sit at a desk all day
and then you're heading to the genYeah, so you probably might already be
warmed up by the time you getthere. Yeah, I think you know,
when it comes to like actual youdefinitely could already be warmed up,
right, But when it comes toactually like the lifting of heavy weights,
I mean, yeah, you shouldprogressively add weight to your sets, to

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get up to a heavy to aheavy top set. And that's why writing
it down is so important. Yeah, because your mind plays tricks on you.
Or and two because you got tothink to in like a six to
eight week period. You don't wantto just like be one of these yolo
lifters who like just goes into thegym and it's like, oh today I
feel good, you know what Imean, look at those hundreds. I
think I've only done sixties, butI feel like I could do one hundreds

(01:04:24):
today. It's like, yeah,that's how you end up in the hospital,
you know, with a torn peck. So it's all about you know,
like you say, writing things down, progressing slowly. And have you
ever witnessed like a really terrible accidentat the gym, saw something lose a
finger once? Oh? My,that story? Do you want to hear

(01:04:44):
it? Yeah, let's hear itwas this in a squat rack. No,
okay, it was you know howyou always hear at the gyms,
rewrap your weights. Yeah, andthis is the moral. Never I've never
heard that kids gather around here.So it was at a lay fitness called
before it was that anything. Thiswas a Bally's Fitness on Washington and it
was a guy, you know,in his sixties, corporate executive type,

(01:05:06):
you know, coked out lunchtime weightlifter. Yeah, and a total asshole.
And he wanted to have every singleweight around him like he was like a
dragon with money or eggs. Youknow. He hoarded dumbbells. And I
was just like looking in and Iand in my mind, I'm just going,
man, that's an accident waiting tohappen. And I turned my head.

(01:05:29):
I just hear crack and I'm likeooh. And he landed his dumb
bells he was doing I think itwas a you know, dumbbell incline press.
And he didn't drop the dumb bells. He held onto them and they
just happened. His right hand landedon the edge of another dumbbell that was

(01:05:50):
on the floor and it popped hisfigure right off. Wow, And it
was like a horror film. Bloodstarted gush gush saying, and he just
he was like, uh, Ithink I mistake And he just grabs this
his finger and the and the youknow, one of the staff there and

(01:06:11):
there's just a trail of blood leavingthe gym. Now did you reattached.
Yeah, did you see did yousee this guy? A? Yeah?
I think it's uh he you know, because I see these things on like
Instagram, these gym fails and stuff. I can't look at it. I
can't look at it. But oneguy was carrying, like rewrack your weights,
a forty five pound plate and thenhe was walking and then it just
looked like he intentionally dropped it onsome dude's face. It was all hoot

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on camera, and that guy goton like he got in trouble. Yeah,
that you can mess yourself up tohimsol. What's the worst thing you've
seen? The worst thing that I'veseen is a really bad uh pectair.
I've seen another couple of funny things, but yeah, the pectaar was when

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I was powerlifting. I was trainingwith the lily Bridges. That's the family.
You could do. Anyone who's onhere could google or Eric lily Bridge.
Yeah, I do Eric lily Bridgeshit. And yeah, he was
the world record holder at the time. I think he still is the all

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time world record holder at three oheight for powerlifting. Why is his wife
the number one CEO? I don'tknow. Yeah, so yeah, no
no Trump, Yeah no, chumpat all world a real world record holder,
So like, yeah, no chumpat all. And we were all
benching and Eric had benched five hundredthat day. I had benched five hundred

(01:07:36):
that day. We had another couplelifters in there. We all like four
or five of us bench five hundred, which was a big for powerlifting,
a raw bench of five hundred benches. You know, it's a good day.
I ye, it's a lot ofwaight. I just opened the status
update referring to the story you're justtelling really on Instagram. Oh shit,

(01:07:57):
about three and a half weeks ago, I tore my benching. I woke
up and took this photo of thebruising pool. Oh my god, that's
crazy that that's exactly a senior Erniesenior right, yeah, yeah, he
looks like Barney. Yeah. Yeah, he's a good looking guy. You
know. I've been rehaving the injuryand it's feeling better now by Steff long
Legs to go to. With myrecovery, I've been injecting BPC one five

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seven and TB five hundred. Greatare what are those exactly? That's they're
peptidestiz Yeah yeah, and they're goodfor you. Know both of those right
there are great for joint ligament,muscle tears and things like that. But
okay, I tried it. I'vehad a lot of stuff on your knee.
I had a lot of success.Okay, it's expensive and it's like

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you know it was. But Eric, So that's Eric. Yeah yeah,
his dad himself too. His dadwas the guy who actually hurt himself.
So that's his that's Eric, theson the dad who it's a curse.
Yeah yeah, yeah. I mean, tearing your muscles is pretty common,
but that was the worst. Sohe came down. He wanted to try
five hundred. The father, Erniesr Age. He was about forty two

(01:09:01):
forty three relatively, yeah, yeah, And I remember him putting it on
the bar and we were all likeCoach because we all called him coach.
He was our coach. He's likeJim Dad. He's Jim Dad or Coach,
one of the two. We're bothreally important person in my life,
honestly, and we're like, areyou sure you want to do this?
Coach? You're sure you got this? I got this. Don't worry,

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I got this. Just spot me, make sure you spot me. We
got this. And I remember himunracking it and just starting to go down,
and he starting to go down.He got it about halfway and I
just remember hearing a p and justthis guy was like the toughest MF or
one of the toughest guys I know, and I just heard him scream,
like a curdling death scream, likehe was dying. And we racked the

(01:09:47):
weight and he was just like oh, you know, and we sat him
down and he just went like ghostlywhite. We sat him in the chair,
and it was just kind of traumatic, you know, that whole experience.
And it ended up up the nextday he had to go back to
the hospital because he had blood poisoningso so much blood. Yes, the

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muscle tore in the inside, sohe's bleeding from the inside from the muscle
and there was so much blood itwas poisoning him. Oh jeez, that
it leaked out into his system.Damn. Yeah. I think it might
have been the lead in the bloodor something. I'm not sure exactly,
but just to show you how seriousit was, I mean, it was
a serious tear and he was purplefrom there's some pictures in h It was

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a complete tear of the laborum completetear of the peck major in the peck
minor. So they reattached, attachedit all. And he was benching again
six months later, and he benched. He benched close to five hundred again
after that. Like, I mean, I wouldn't advise that, but he
he did it. He did it. It's possible. Well, that's just
one thing I've learned this past yearis like, you know that those hammer

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strength machines, if you only wantto push your strength or size, there's
a lot more safety. Yeah,especially where Yeah, I mean with that
situation. We're talking about powerlifting.So we're talking about the sport of the
squat bench and the deadlift. Soyou if you if it's the sport of
the squad bench deadlift, you obviouslyhave to do a lot of squat benching
and deadlifting. Bodybuilding doesn't require that. You know, you need to obviously

(01:11:16):
stimulate the muscle, but you canincorporate a lot more machines, a lot
more repetitions, a lot more variationyou know, can be done in the
bodybuilding. Can we end the warbetween powerlifters, crossfitters and bodybuilders? Is
there a war? There's a coldwar crapping on each other. Yeah.
Yeah, it's like powerlifters crap onbodybuilders. Bodybuilders crap on crossfitters. Crossfitters

(01:11:42):
crap on everybody. So I feltlike there was some like joining of the
forces there for a little bit withCrossFit and powerlifting. Yeah, because there
is some there's a overlap, alot of overlap there. There really is.
And I trained acrossfit chym for alittle bit there, and the power
lifters and crossfitters were able to getalong all right. Now there just seems

(01:12:03):
to be more of a divide.I think there's just more cross fitters are
like I do functional stuff, Likeyou know, they don't want pretty muscles,
it's functional muscles. Well, youknow, how do you know how
to tell someone does CrossFit? Oh, they won't shut up about it.
They'll tell you, they'll tell you. Well, that's those things like you

(01:12:24):
know, when you're changing your food. I feel I sound like a vegan
because I'm like obsessed about what I'meating right now, you know. But
the thing with CrossFit, though,though you know, I recommend it,
especially for somebody if you're new toa new place, a new town or
something like that might be because there'sit seems like there's a lot of community
around it, whereas like bodybuilding canbe much more of a solitary kind of
thing, or you might do itwith a buddy, that kind of thing,

(01:12:44):
but you're on your own. Butlike you know, CrossFit, you're
taking in class, you're doing groups, you're doing competitions among your in the
gym itself. So I think,you know, for somebody who's wanting to
make new friends and new acquaintances,it's a good way to go. Yeah,
I could say one of the hugedifferences, because I did both,
with body building on the powerlifting isthe powerlifting there's a lot more community involved
with it, just on the basisalone that if you're going to squat a

(01:13:06):
ton of weight, you need yourbuddies. There a group of guys to
just make sure you don't kill yourself. Where the bodybuilding is, yeah,
it's a little just more I don'twant to call it secretive, but everyone's
kind of doing their own thing.You know, do you really want to
tell the other guy what you're doing? You know, what your coach is
having you do. So it's definitelymore of a solo endeavor. But well

(01:13:29):
they think you should shout, likewhat the contests you're doing so much because
people are going to be like,you know, if he's doing that contest,
I'm going to do that contest.Yeah, I honestly think. Yeah,
it's like a Chicago election. Youjust got to make sure eliminate your
competition. I tell all, likeI tell my clients, I think you're
getting ready for a show. Ithink post stuff like your pictures in the
gym working out, But like doyou tell them yeah, or like you're

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posting all your update pictures like thesame stuff you send to your coach.
It's like, all you're going toget is like that one idiot in your
DM telling you like you're out ofshape or you look like shit, or
you're no good. It's like,do you really need that negativity? It's
like I just save some of that. Yeah, I mean that's you should.

(01:14:11):
You should block them, but savesome of that just just for the
show. Don't let that negativity reachin. And I think if you can
do that and you can totally blockthat out, great, But if you
know, if you're gonna get workedup a little bit by what other people
think, maybe just yeah, maybejust keep it under wraps until you get
to the show. Well, likenegativity does it like in violence? You
know, It's like some people arelike put that into your workout, you

(01:14:34):
know, and I'm like, anytimeI've been upset about something at work or
somebody like fucked with me, myworkouts are shit. Yeah. Yeah,
I think everybody's kind of like different. I do know people who definitely can
take that like anger and then turnit into some you know, just use
that. I'm not like that.I've always worked out better had when I'm

(01:14:56):
just happy. You know, mylife is like balanced and everything's good,
Like those are my workouts. Idon't want to be angry either, come
on, like right, I don'twant to have to be pissed off to
like go to the gym to bemotivated. Like that sounds terrible, but
like the music they're playing at thegym, especially like a place like America's
gym is like, you know,you're just like, can we get a
little Dolly parton? You know?I mean I might be looking into it

(01:15:19):
too much, but I think ifyou're constantly like that, you're constantly in
this like animalistic anger road. Imean, that's only a matter of time
till that's going to carry over intoyour regular life. Where you're just kind
of a little too like intense.It's like we had to live with and
he would come into the gym kindof like angry and pissed off, and
we're like, don't talk to himtill he's into because like as he would

(01:15:39):
work out, who would become friendlyor nicer, we get rid of whatever
it is was bothering him and therest of the world. Well, he
gave us the name of the podcast, Let's Grow Big Together. He did.
He would text me, Let's growBig Together, Let's go to the
gym and and and that's where wecame up with the name of the show.
It also is like code I getit, Do you get it?
LGBT, Let's get bits together togetherquietly, quickly, quickly. O Queen,

(01:16:09):
you are a wonderful coach, andI just want to thank you so
much for you know, getting methis far. And you know I always
recommend you to the people that Iconsult with. How do people you know,
spent save money and not hire mejust tire talk to you? So
yeah, the easiest way to gethold of me is through my Instagram.

(01:16:30):
So if people who have Instagram,it's at Matt Clawson. Just shoot me
a d M. I'll get backto you as soon as I can.
I also have Facebook my name samething, Matt Clawson, M A T
T C L A U S SE N. And you can find my
actually I think my phone numbers onthere and my email. You can them
both. So feel free. It'sas dangerous as that sounds. Don't what

(01:16:53):
are you wearing? Yeah, Iknow, right opposing. Don't send me
any boop pictures. You know.Also, if you are listening to the
show and just scroll down on theshow notes, there's a link to it.
Yeah, great, because you know, sometimes when you're listening to a
podcasts, you want to see whatthe person looks like or follow them and

(01:17:14):
you're just like, I'm driving oron the bus, and you know,
I do look like I work out. Thanks. Good. Well, some
coaches are you know, they're likea retired ballet teachers in a wheelchair and
they're like you must lift, youknow, from but they don't do it
themselves. I mean I don't.Yeah, I don't understand the coaches who
just don't obviously like some that justdon't lift at all. It's like,

(01:17:36):
I don't know, I don't getthat practice. What you preach at least
a little, right, I wouldthink. You know Susanne Summer, she
used her thigh master. Yeah,yeah, well she just passed away.
She made like three hundred million dollarsfrom that thing. She passed away today
today today, Yeah, the thighmaster one. How old was she she

(01:17:59):
died from. She's been battling breastcancer her entire life. Wow. So
when she was on Three's company,she had breast cancer really and she did
a lot of alternative therapies too.I'm not doing chemo, I'm doing a
bunch of other stuff. So alot of people were like, she was
a big proponent, celebrity proponent ofhormone replacement therapy. Actually, well,
God bless her, she made itthat far. I mean, it's never

(01:18:20):
good to die, but it's notbad for having breast cancer your whole life.
Well yeah, and you know theworst thing about having cancer is everybody
wants to tell you about what todo when you have cancer. You know,
last, but not least, becauseI want to leave this. You
know, one thing that Mark andI've been really excited about is posing.

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And you know, everybody start offocuses on the the and Shaye Manchak,
who as a guest, she's afemale bodybuilder and coach herself. She said,
bodybuilding is the art of creating anillusion that you're more muscular than you
really are. Yeah, but canyou talk a little bit about the role
post and practicing posing has in acontest. Well, yeah, I mean,

(01:19:02):
and to that point that you wassaying, it's it's showing your strengths
and being able to hide your weaknessesbecause we all have strengths and we all
have weaknesses, and it's you know, same on stage. The importance of
it is you need to be ableto show your physique in the correct way.
And you could do a front doublebicep and which is a pose where

(01:19:23):
you're you know, the flexing yourover your head, your hands over your
head, showing your arms people whoaren't sure, and you could do it
the wrong way and you could totallymiss out on showing off your physique and
showing off the certain things that ina bodybuilding show they're looking for. So
in a show that there's symmetry,there's muscularity, and there's conditioning. So

(01:19:45):
if you're not able to show offyour physique in a certain way, you're
not gonna be able to show offthat symmetry, the conditioning and all those
things. So but the something thatposing also kind of trains you to lift
better, don't you think it givesyou that mind muscle connection. So yeah,
the people who are really good atposing usually have really good mind muscle
connection also when they're training, andit definitely helps with that. And it's

(01:20:11):
a good workout too. I mean, when you're getting ready for a show
and you know, spending twenty minutesa day doing posing, that's you know,
it's a really good workout. AndI think the if you do,
the more posing you do. Thisis why it's important to do when you're
getting ready for a show. Isit's going to help bring out those muscles
a little bit better. Not evenif it's necessarily the posing is bringing out

(01:20:31):
the muscles. It's just getting thatbetter contraction and learning how to contract and
squeeze the muscles correctly. That's allstuff that takes time. All it's all
part of the posing, you know, and learning it how to do it
correctly. One thing that helped mea lot was thinking about posing not as
a static thing but something where you'removing into the pose and moving out of

(01:20:51):
it. Yeah, I mean weyou know, Fous was saying we were
working on that with him too,just the transitions which is in between the
poses, making things look you know, I like to call it flowy,
making it look not robotic, andjust making it all kind of blend together.
But you see sometimes people are likepopping and locking, and yeah,
they do the pop. I meanthat's I've seen the I've seen the yeah,

(01:21:14):
the popping and locking. And thenI've seen people who are like so
stiff and so uncomfortable up there thatit just doesn't it's got to cost them,
right, it costs. I mean, it's just an overall like like
when you see somebody up there whojust looks like they are are effortlessly moving
and they're making it like it justmakes it look easy. You know,

(01:21:36):
that's a that's an art, youknow, and it will just draw the
judge's attention to you, you know, having that confidence, having that that
that just ability to show off yourphysique correctly, mark you believe that like
the bones change that the bones Iwas asking mat about that too, is
like the old style bodybuilders, theysaid that they would work on increasing the

(01:21:57):
mass of their actual physical chest,like there try and like use the muscles
to kind of like pull that apartto spread it out more, because you
know, your your bones are dynamicto a certain degree, they aren't just
set in stone. Yeah, Ithink Arnold was doing like dumbbell pullovers and
he said that helped expand his ribcage. I think a lot of those guys

(01:22:17):
back then, ye had they workedlike you could see when they were posing
it was like very much a upperupper chest filling the chest up like a
blowfish. A blowfish, right,The guys don't do that quite as much
as they do as they used to. Arnold always said Dumbo pullovers. You
know, you can read it asencyclopedia. That's what he talked about,
doing pollovers for expanding the rib cage. So there might be something to it,

(01:22:41):
you know. Follow us on InstagramFausto Fernos and Mark feel In,
Matt Clawson, Matt Clawson and ofcourse if you like, let's grow big
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the show, also tell us becausewe uh you know that. Yeah,
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it. Of course, it's engagementactually, you know, and it's like

(01:23:03):
for us, it's like it's aconversation between us and the listeners. But
people have been so mad because wehaven't had on any shows because I'm getting
ready for this contest, and so, you know, I just appreciate all
the training and all the effort thatyou put in into getting me ready and
all all the clients, and youknow, shout out to John Paul who
introduced you to us, another oneof my clients. Yeah, John Paul

(01:23:25):
competitors as well. He was oneof the best, was one of the
best posing routines I've I've I've beenpart of. It was great, he
was awesome. Yeah, but yeah, thanks for having me. Guys.
I really appreciate it. And Ithink after your show we should do a
follow up. Let's do it aslong as you still like me. I
don't know, Oh, I loveit. Like this guy's terrible. I'm

(01:23:46):
starving mid mid December. Like hemade me eat one piece of lettuce and
the chicken breast. What's your firstmeal going to be after the contest?
Sushi and pizza? Yeah, yeah, of course, what else is there?
You know, you're like a bigfan of sushi. I am I
don't know if that would be thefirst thing I eat after what would you

(01:24:06):
eat, like, bowl of soup? Yeah, donuts, probably donuts and
then pizza. There's a donuts rightafter. Yeah, when I get cancer,
we go get doughnuts. Did thiscontest? Yeah yeah yeah, so
it's like, yeah, so thecancer is all done and it's in the

(01:24:28):
clare and now we're ready to snatchthe defeat from the jaws of victory or
the other way around. We're justyeah, we're going for the w Yes,
yes, we're going for a sword. What does it mean that that
it is a qualifier? It's anational so it's a regional show. It's
a national qualifier, meaning if youget first or second in one of the
open divisions, then you're qualified todo a national show. Wow. So

(01:24:54):
christ Bumpstead, I'm coming after youopen right, No, I'm not,
yeah, doing Novice. So we'regonna do Novice because it's his first show.
That's the best way to go.But then yeah, then the next
step up is then open you.Yeah, it's uh just like teen and
some other teen and junior sometimes,but then you have Novice and then you

(01:25:14):
have the open classes. Well,thank you, So much for coming on
the show, and thanks everybody forlistening. We'll be posting more episodes coming
up here with other legendary bodybuilders onLet's Grow Big Together. Thank you,
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