Shaw Knight - Muscle for Hire - Let's Grow Big Together

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
I'm like your mama. Bodybuilding isn't cheap. Food, gear, training
and coaching can make the road to becoming a legend
super expensive.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Now that's where the generous benefactors come in handy. Early
in their careers, famous bodybuilders like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone
and Ky Green made money as muscle for hire, and
it wasn't always as security detail.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Muscle worship and muscle posing can sometimes bring in the
bucks if you find the right audience.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Let's Grow Big Together, the podcast that invites you to
come to the muscle worship party even if you're.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
Not jacked yet.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
I'm Falstafernans and I'm Mark Fillian. In this series, we
take a look at the passion for muscle adventures and bodybuildings,
muscle gods, muscle worship, and practical advice to on the
Games Today.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Long term listener Go Go Boy.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
And musical theater enthusiast Shaw Knight takes us behind the
scenes of lavish muscle worship parties you've always heard about
but seem too wild to be true.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Plus how to develop arms like a gymnast and.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Why so many Instagram fitness influencers get asked for pictures
of their feet.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Our guest today is a blossoming bodybuilder, people person, musician
and muscle for hire Fella shaw Knight, who in the
past year has cranked up his bodybuilding career and work
as a go go boy, getting invited to decadent parties
where muscle is the main course. And like any good improv,

(01:54):
you want to say yes and welcome to Let's grow
big together, shaw Knight. Yeah, yeah, how are you doing great?
I feel great? So this past year you really made
quite a bit of transformation on your body, You've gone.
Can you talk a little bit about that, like the weight,
the size, the change.

Speaker 5 (02:14):
Of course, So I started a long time ago learning
how to do it. But until I started, Yeah, but
until I started enhancing, it wasn't really shoot enough like
I thought. I kind of hate it because I was
working so hard at the gym. Yeah, and I wasn't
I'm not working any harder than the results.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Do you feel like supplementing with the testosterone and Decca
that made a big change for you?

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Oh yeah, and with that game so much confidence? Yeah?
Well honestly because you look different. Yeah, so the mental health.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
You look great, Like I met you before and after
and stuff, and you're like making it sound like this
is magical change.

Speaker 6 (02:53):
But to me it is.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
It's the mental game, yeah, which also is hard even
with what I still have.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I mean, you look right, you look like for people
not able to see what you look like, I would
describe you as a tall Viking, you know, blonde, and
you know, all you're missing is like a spear and
a sword and some sandals and right you're ready to
pillage the village.

Speaker 5 (03:17):
Oh yeah, before that, I was a cutie element.

Speaker 6 (03:22):
I mean I looked great.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
I've never had a problem with anybody, so so, but.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
What made you decide to go you know, and you know,
to go over.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
To the dark side as bodybuilding says, you know, not
be natural anymore and doing you performance enhancing drugs?

Speaker 4 (03:36):
What got you into that space?

Speaker 5 (03:39):
I mean I kind of got to sex work because
of the mental health breakdown. Mental health breakdown pretty much,
and it came with a breakup, But that was only
part of the puzzle. I was going through a really
hard time, particularly with PTSD.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
You're former military.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
From yes, from my time in the army and just
a lot of other things going on in my life.
I've always been very a little suicidal, starting really early,
and this was a time where I just needed to win.
I went out to an Army buddy in Colorado climbed
a fourteen thousand foot mountain and that was just a

(04:13):
big win I needed. So when I came home, I
was in a different head space. I had a break
up that led me down the path to escorting a
lot of drugs unfortunately, and then a terrible relationship which
I told you a little bit about, and coming out
of that in just January, I started building that that

(04:36):
came with bodybuilding and mental health, getting right with myself.
Looking at my old patterns, particularly with relationships with men,
I was sort of looking to them for my happiness.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
There's a lot to unpact there, I know.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
So were you working out before? I mean not as
consistently because you were in the army, so they must
have made you do some kind of physical exercise at
least the beginning.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Of course, And even before that, I was very active.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
I was a mountain claimer, mountain biking in college and
that gave me the physical confidence to then join the Army.

Speaker 6 (05:10):
So it's been a life.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
And in high school I started with a yoga book
so I've been always working on my body biking at home.
I was in the woods all the time. I grew
up in central Illinois, just so much woods to run
around it, and so it was.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
Always very sass squatch. Yeah, I say Wooden imp but
sure you're kind of tall and harry and you.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Know well that I was like a little good porn
name for you.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
So before we saw that the show, you were like, well,
this is you know, this is my stage name, sew Knight.
But you're not happy with it, and so I mean
you're thinking about changing it right now.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
It's not very satisfying to me.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeahazz that like Darren Fault or Johnny Rockett or something
like that. Right, So we are turning to the listeners.
Our guest today is Shawn Knight. He hates his name
and he wants you to help him come up with
a better stage man.

Speaker 6 (06:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Yeah, I have a long list of names. I'm just
looking at street signs, like what about that one? What
about you.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Passed? Joe Chicago, Harold Fifth Street, Martin Luther King Drive.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
John Patisset, Lake Shore Drive are the great partners Platiste
lake Shore Drive? Why not? You know, drag Queens are
having kind of nonsensical names. Why can't escorts or go
go boys or anybody in that kind of line of business.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
So you got into building. So you broke up with someone, Yeah,
and that got you into the sex work or the
bodybuilding or it all kind of happened at the same time.

Speaker 6 (06:46):
God, it's always a breakup.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
My my faces are punctuated by breakups and coming out
of them and then okay, phoenix sing out of them.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
And so you break up with this guy and you're like,
I'm going to start getting the sex work because you
missed the sex you wanted, the money, you wanted the
companionship or which is something.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
Well, so that man was kind of financially helping me
out figuring out what I wanted to do. So after
that breakup, I was I had kept my apartment, so
I had a place to go, but I didn't really
have the money I needed to survive. And one of
my friends has message sex work and that turned into
the most money I've ever made in my life.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
So, and is that one of those things you like,
make a bunch of money the first year because you're
the hot new guy on the scene, and then it
kind of peters out or did you build up a clientele?
How does that help?

Speaker 5 (07:30):
I made a lot of money doing that because I
was treating it like a job. I was on twenty
four hours a day. It's called work, dude, But you
can at the beginning, though, I was like, this isn't
going to keep up, Like there's no like. This is
just like a fountain of prosperity that I had never
had before. And I thought if I quit or took
a break even that it would all fop up. I

(07:51):
can take long breaks and come back and there are
still horny men wanting to hang out with me.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
But you know, part of the peal of doing sex,
because I've done sex work in my past, is that
it's exciting. It feels that the first time you're like
you're on a vacation, it's not doesn't feel like a job.
But then when you start relying on the income and
you're not feeling like, you know, going to work in quotations,

(08:17):
then it becomes very oppressive for some people.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
I had a panic attack at one point early on
because it felt like I wasn't doing anything. It felt
like even though I was making all his money and
living this lifestyle, but I'm not working on anything like
as an artist coming into this space. It's just it's
too easy to me. And I've turned it into a
career now and I am being more picky and selective
about how I operate it.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
But you you know, you're also come from a musical
theater background, where you're sort of the training is very rigorous,
preparations very rigorous, and so for you, like any kind
of job that you're going to have, you're going to
put a lot of energy into it.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
And entertainment value, right And really, of course, I mean
it is.

Speaker 6 (08:57):
We're going to get through that totally.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
We're going to get to that part.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
And said, because you know, Mark and I, through the
years of doing this podcast, we talk to some you know,
people who are about to become famous, people are very
well established in their entertainment careers. And the one thing
that they that we always sort of pick up on
is that rich people love if they're you know, Lucy Goosey.
They tend to hire very good looking people to come

(09:22):
to their houses and be the hosts of their parties
because they don't even want to deal with the public,
even the circle of friends to come in over. So
they're like they have somebody like Shaw Knight here who
wants to be the host of the party, and so
they pay you pretty well to then show up to
their home and be like, welcome to my house. I'm

(09:45):
sew Knight, Welcome to my pool, and here's some cocktails.

Speaker 5 (09:49):
Right, and this is I'm there's another friend of mine
that operates the hosting side of it.

Speaker 6 (09:54):
I am more in the.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Corral of men the entertainment.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
Yes that he is.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
U because of your theater theatrical background, that you would
be really good this, you know, just because it's like
a lot of people don't understand. You have to make
eye contact, you have to smile, you have to ask
them about themselves, and some athletes just don't have those
kind of skills or experience.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
Yeah, as much I as much time as I've spent
on stage, I still have a really hard time lying
to people because if I have a script, sure that's
a person that I'm right, I'm it's somebody else's working
as a composer's work and somebody else and I'm trying
to honor all that.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Just remember they're in on it too. Because the order
for a lie to succeed, two people have to be
on it the one person who said it and the
other person who doesn't challenge it. So if they don't
challenge it, it's not really a lie.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
Of course, there's always a level of fantasy.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
It's true, making amuses great.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
And the way you get around lies when people are
lying to you is just keep asking questions. You just
keep asking questions, and then you will eventually you will
get to some kind of truth. Yeah, Whereas that's why
people who are lying, they don't want to add your questions.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
I know, But I just think part of my success
is my authenticity. People want to hire me because I'm
just some guy.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
You're a lot of them my clients, Shawn and I
soon to change to Rusty Point. Yeah that's a terrible name,
by the way, but I hate it.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
That is not what I will being Rusty Points.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, Rusty Warren was a good name, though, you know,
I Spike, I'm still done with Rusty Spike. No, rust
I will not be Rusty Spike.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
Spike is just I'm not.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
That edgy Fike Lemonade. You know.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
It has to be like Josh Adams for me, because
look at me, I'm just that's.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Some bored Wait weigh right now, by the way, two thirty.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
That's good weight to be.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
How tall are you six two six two two thirty
when I first met you? How much did you.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
Weigh between two and twenty?

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Okay, so it's been about a ten to fifteen pound
weight gain and muscle.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
Yeah, and that's been enough.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
Yeah that's in a year yet.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
So yeah, So tell us about the first party you
hosted or you were involved with. Right, they they said, hey,
we're going to give you several grand come to you know,
this exclusive Beverly Hills estate. I'm thinking about like luxurious
places and and come show up in your speedo and
just have fun.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
It's basically the job, right.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
Yeah, they're also different, but this one the most recent
one actually, that one, like I said, it had competition
aspects to it. There was a gladiator competition where we
all dressed as gladiators.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
So we just went up to the one of the
bedrooms where.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Was was this It like it was somebody's house. It
was a rented hotel.

Speaker 5 (12:41):
So this was in bel air. It was a mention
that these men.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Had fresh prints.

Speaker 6 (12:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
It was like the TV show.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
It had like a servants quarters to a library, pool,
the bedroom. The primary bedroom was incredible, with like two
giant bathrooms on either side, his and hers bathroom rooms,
which was the size of my apartment.

Speaker 6 (13:01):
Wow. Looking over the pool, of course you'd.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
See the men swimming. Yeah, the gladiator contest. What did
that involved? Just dressing up his gladiators to lines Christians?
Or oh it was so boring something like that and
the other.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
In all No, no, no, but they had you in
like a sexy gladiator outfit.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
And so do you guys show up?

Speaker 2 (13:26):
How many people were like bodybuilders were there and gladiator outfits.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
Twelve of us were hired for this twelve.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Okay, so did you feel like a little bit of
an impostor syndrome, like I don't belong here, like if
they only knew what I really looked like.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
Oh so at one point the guy looked at me
and was like, you're I'm so glad you're here because
I asked for just a normal, like midwestern, corn fed
guy to be here. I was the smallest one in
this room. Okay, these men were enormous muscle. Wow, I
can show you pictures debscribe.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
For the listeners.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, tan us a picture.

Speaker 5 (14:02):
So apparently abs are out. We just don't do abs anymore,
Thank god. I know it's all chess and ass and
these chess and ass yeah says we're uh pop Staniel.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
I don't know who likes the only things that I do, and.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
Certainly, oh you and I are just the little little
were the little for the runs of the litter.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
I'm not working hard and feeling good and then I'm
standing in this room like, oh my god, I have
a long way to go.

Speaker 6 (14:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
That's the thing about it is sometimes like the other
the bodybuilders will see what you have. Like when I
did that contest and I didn't, I was like, oh
my god, I'm going to get obliterated. But so what
you know, I'm surrounded by gorgeous men.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
Well it's part of my success in sex work too,
is they don't want those guys.

Speaker 6 (14:48):
Those guys are intimidating. I'm somebody more. That's real. That's
why I have.

Speaker 5 (14:52):
The conversations, That's why I stay authentic, just because I
do have something to offer in that aspect that is
beyond what they can because I have a very nice
package to deliver.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
But I mean, it's not looking at a dick right now.
But it's not like porn star level.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Like, but you're you're you're the like, you're you're going
more for the like girl next door as opposed to
the movie star.

Speaker 6 (15:16):
Yeah, I'm more of a starter.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
The Marianne as opposed to the ginger. Yeah, you're the
you're the relatable, the girl you have a crush on
from high school, the guy, the guy next door, And
so you're not the impossibly beautiful movie star that gives
you ice, you know, because you know, with some people
with the muscle worship, they want humiliation. And there was

(15:40):
this one guy who was paying me pretty good money
ten dollars, you know, to insult him. And to me,
I'm like, it felt like you're doing almost like a
comedy roast, which is my husband.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
I'm pretty good that it's really good to that. My
Twitter handle was insults until until.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Some porn so I stole it.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, I think just Twitter took it over and assigned
it to a Russian bought probably because you're like, this
is too good of a name for anybody to have.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
I know, and so you know, like that this guy
was just like sending me money and I just kept
insulting him, and it was like and felt with me
I'm like, oh my god. You know, it's like he's
going to put screenshots of this and put.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
It all over the internet.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
And so I started reading like the comments that I wrote,
and I was like, and so people find out about that,
they'll think I'm cool. You were saying, like, you don't
realize what you're doing is not as shocking as people
would think it is, if that makes any sense. And
so you're at this party and you're like, surround, you
feel like he's snuck in. You feel like you almost

(16:44):
like an imposter syndrome. And at a certain point in
the party, you realize I'm the special one.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
I'm the unique person there.

Speaker 6 (16:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:53):
Yeah, these guys were so uninterested because they are so gorgeous.
They are basically hired to stand in a room and
look pretty. And I'm actually getting.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
You're excited to be there. I like it.

Speaker 6 (17:03):
I like talking to the clients.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
I like giving them what they want, you know, and whatever.
What does the clients want a lot of things, and
it's all different. People have asked me, what is the
the similarity between the clients. There's none, hardly any other
than they want to let's get back.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
To this party. So there's you and twelve porn stars.
So it's kind of like the last suppurb. You're in Jesus,
they're the twelve porn star. So how many people are
at the party though? Is it all gay men?

Speaker 5 (17:28):
Just the fourteen of us? The two clients and them though?
Oh so twelve of us?

Speaker 1 (17:32):
So you had you guys were two clients. You had
two clients shared among thirteen people. So it's fifteen all day?

Speaker 5 (17:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Is that right?

Speaker 6 (17:41):
Fourteen fourteen all day?

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Oh? Okay. I thought maybe they were inviting their friends
over too or something like that.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
No, not for this one. This was a birthday okay.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
So this is a very special birthday weekend.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (17:51):
Yeah, one hundred and six thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
And so that people like oil each other up and
they fly you out for his class flexing.

Speaker 6 (17:58):
No, but they fly me out, and.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
So is it people oil each other up?

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Did you do any kind of flex thing and stuff?

Speaker 6 (18:05):
Yeah? There was a lineup.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
They he had a favorite color, so we all dressed.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
In that for one of our looks and just like
green blue or whatever.

Speaker 6 (18:13):
Yeah, it was world.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
Okay, I don't I don't want to give too many
details about these people.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
It's that party yeah, not the purple party.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
It was the right.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
You can always just make stuff up too. Fossil believes
that aneathing you tellent.

Speaker 6 (18:24):
I just told you.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
I prefer to be authentic, and I'm terrible light.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
It's not lie believe.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
So you got insided to the to this party, which
was basically a birthday celebration for a couple. And they
brought in fourteen bodybuilders. Twelve bodybuilders and we'll figure that.
And so they're there. Are they just moralesy marveling? Are
they like doing muscle worship or they're oiling each other up?

Speaker 4 (18:51):
Or are all the above?

Speaker 5 (18:54):
They dressed as Caesar for the gladiator competition.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Oh my god, that's so hilarious.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
And so he's going like here, y, yeah, gladiators, y'all,
I'm a little tired tonight. Send to home and have
the rest come to my quarters to unentertain me.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
That's not quite what these people were skilled out.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
But you got to go, Hail Caesar, we who are
about to fuck salute you.

Speaker 5 (19:16):
Yeah. I actually was trying to act a little of
my mind was more of a barbarian gladiator, because I
really did not put that much thought into this look
until I got to my friends in La.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
Oh you had to provide your own costume.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
And I was like, oh man, these guys went off.
So I went to a costume store in LA and
just put something together.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
So it's b yoc bring your own costume.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
Right. It was a competition. It was for twenty five
hundred dollars. Oh did you win the best? No?

Speaker 4 (19:39):
I just said I pieced together from some costume store.

Speaker 6 (19:42):
Was cute.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
They probably a little liked you. Oh, let's give it
to him.

Speaker 5 (19:45):
He also told you these men were monsters. These guys like.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
So, who are the biggest one?

Speaker 4 (19:50):
So the biggest guy that like, what kind of person want?
He had a really great look, he was he's so gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, so it was they paid you guys. In addition
to that, they made you like, you know, made it
interest like the best the best royal blue.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
In the costume even got fifteen hundred.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Oh wow, did you win anything?

Speaker 6 (20:11):
I won?

Speaker 4 (20:11):
You won their hearts.

Speaker 6 (20:12):
Tip I got, I got a good tip.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
I got a thousand dollars tip.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:17):
And after the initial price, it became hourly and a
lot of guys had other plans, so they left and
I was in La from Chicago, so yeah, they I
just stayed.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
All all weekend affair just the.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
Day a day party.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah wow, because we you know, know about like lesbian
pool parties where like famous lesbians like Ellen or Rosie
invite women over and it's usually more about networking. But
when you ask the like the women that went to
these parties like who was there, what was said and stuff,
they're like, what pool party? They act like it didn't exist, right,

(20:55):
And it's really important to have that privacy there. So
are you working?

Speaker 6 (21:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (21:00):
I know heard that I.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Heard got into trouble by talking about this. I should
have talked to my quote unquote boss.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
So well, you're not giving away any details here, so
you know. And so in terms of like you know,
thinking about like Arnold Schwarzenegger or Silvester Salone, who got
their bodybuilding careers early.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
On, you know, doing this kind of work.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
You know, we were at the gym the other day
and a friend of mine said, oh, yeah, this like
this friend of oes and I we got into a
three way and it got ugly, and you know, the
couple broke up and I said, oh, it's too bad.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
You know, it's like I'm sorry to hear that.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Well if you like him so much, you can pay
two hundred dollars an hour and you can have sex
with them. And I was like, so, so he sends
me his profile and I send it to Mark, and
Mark says, like all those guys that we work out
with the gym, most of the bodybuilders with except you
and I so far, are are doing some kind of

(22:01):
go go boying or escorting or something. Massage massage, Yeah,
some kind of pre and interest.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
It takes a lot of money to look that good though,
you know.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
And that's the thing we don't talk about, you know,
with bodybuilding, it's like it's a financial sacrifice.

Speaker 5 (22:13):
It's a sucker and time too. I mean, guys with
forty hour a week jobs can't do this. I know
people who do make it work. You know, not everybody
is the same. But why would they be like getting
hired to do these things if they have that much money?

Speaker 1 (22:28):
I mean they are there are not doing sex or
not doing sex with They're able to bodybuild because they
you know, they you know, because you can bodybuild on
three four days a week as easily, you know, and
if you just do the if once you've built it
and just kind of maintaining it. That's a different thing
than you know, if you now say you're a mass
monster and you just kind of will keep on wanting
getting big and big and big, and you're over the
age of fifty and it's an uphill battle.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
Then I thought you made they were doing that, and
they were doing those jobs and doing the I'm sure
some people.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
Are well, Arnold said.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
You know that it was very clear that you know,
even though the muscle for higher business was helped them
survive early on, it was really getting into real estate
that turned his life around. And selling and buying you know,
properties in Los Angeles at a time when nobody wanted
to live in LA was something that really made a
big difference in his financial security. And you know, in

(23:20):
terms of like the people we interview on the show,
they're either like coach full time coaches, or like me
or or or you know, Matt Clawson, or there are
people who are like doing some kind of sex work
on the side, just because this is so demanding mentally, physically, emotionally,
and financially, you know, and then when you're going to

(23:41):
the gym and you're putting that much energy, it's like
you have to have some kind of ecosystem, that's why.
So you know, and we've got to talk about this
in the Olympics. It's like every person that competes in
the Olympics, there's like fifty people behind them, of course,
helping make that happen. And so everybody's like, ah, so
who cares. And I'm like, this is like a community

(24:03):
coming together. So this one individual could swim really fast,
or run really fast, or throw a shot put accurately
very far. And we don't have that kind of vocabulary
to talk about the sacrifice the glory because you know,
ultimately there's no money to be made in all this,

(24:23):
you know, And so where we're doing is we're doing
this because we love to build muscle. We love looking
at guys that have muscle and women and who have muscle,
and we want to celebrate that and make that happen for.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Them and for you.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Like you know, now that you're sort of like gotten
into the world, it's like you're getting invited to more
events and parties and traveling around. It's like, how's that changed,
like your motivation to build muscle or now that you
sort of like got into the inner circle already.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
Yeah, Well, first of all, there's a concetant education, so
I'm able to talk to guys that have been doing
this for years and that's always beneficial. And another one
of my friends recently used the Another one of my
friends recently used the term community visibility. Just getting out
to those parties, whether you're getting paid or not, is
also just networking. That's how I got the gig in California.

(25:17):
It was through this guy that I met at a
party and I'm out and he liked me. We hit
it off and he had We were talking about how
we get to LA and he said, why don't you
do this party? And at the time, I had to
be in Tampa for another party the day after what
he said, So I was like, I don't know about that.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
And then you mentioned the money. I was like, oh,
I can make that. I was like, okay, we can
do it in La hop to Tampa kind of weekend.

Speaker 6 (25:39):
It's a good weekend.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
That's amazing. And so in terms of can we talk
about this relationship or.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
Yeah, he is my really best friend, Like he and
his group of LA guys have gotten me to go
back to LA at least once a month now, Like
I plan on that's like I have a community in
La now wow through this.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah, well, at the right time, with the right We've
had a friends come on the show that they organize
like you know, muscle worship parties. There's Flex in San Francisco.
Andrew Drumball organizes that. One of our listeners, Polly Pocket
King Shane, just went to and said he had a
marvelous time.

Speaker 5 (26:19):
Yeah. Well another part of the community visibility is I
met another guy. I am now doing the sex show
at cell Block for the load parties.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
And what does that involve?

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Like you just go there and you wear your skimpy
clothes and you oil up and dance around.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
Or I was just excited to do anything like this.
It was my first time. So there's one twenty minute
set of go going in the cage if you know,
sub block, and then twenty minute sex show and then
another twenty minute go go and that's the gig. It's
not that bad.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Sex show and tail like you're just stroking a dick
or you no sex.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
Pound yeah oh my god, wow yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
You you don't get stayed try or anything like that,
or you know.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
There are ways to ensure that.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Try mix Baby's success people are not listening.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
We don't know what tri mix.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
What is tri mix is something? It's a mixture of
three different things and it's a try mix and you
inject it into your penis and it gives you an
erection lasting four hours.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
And you can do this wrong and have to go
to the hospital. Yes, so you have to be very careful.
Well how do you do it wrong?

Speaker 5 (27:25):
Uh, it's a problem if you reach four hours, they say, yeah,
and it gets painful.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
I the one way to get rid of it. I
think who was the we had one point star on
I forget what his name was. He said, but the
try mixing, he goes. The best thing to do to
get rid of it, get in the jacuzzi. The jacuzi
will make it go down, or any kind of spot,
maybe even hot bath or something like that. Yeah, after
four hours, I talked. I talked to a guy who
was a urologist and he said he had a guy
come in. He was a young, young guy, young African

(27:52):
American guy, and he's like, this guy had a dick.
It was so big, like it went beyond his belly
button when he was laying down, and he had been
hard for like forty eight hours, and I was just like,
what the He's just like, yeah, he said he didn't
take anything, but I'm pretty sure he took He must
have taken something. And we're like, he might lose his penis.

(28:12):
How often how often you have to remove a penis?
He's like more often than you think, because you can
get penis cancer. And I'm like, well, how do you
prevent penis cancer? He's like, well, the number one you know,
cause of penis cancers with guys who have a foreskin.
So being circumcised is better for you in that respect.
But the rate of penile cancers compared to breast cancer

(28:33):
is significantly significantly lower. So I mean, you know, you
don't see women just chopping off their breasts left and right.
I mean, on occasion, some people that genetically test for it,
they take off they remove their breasts preemptively, like Angeline
and Joeye, because otherwise that cancer can spread to other
places and you can die. But there's a lot of
people walking around without dicks.

Speaker 5 (28:54):
I just heard of a story recently where he had
a metal cockering on and then he did the draymax
and that was they have to oh my god, they
have to drain the blood out of it if it
gets that bad. Oh wow, and then obviously cut that
thing off.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
So that's why I use silicone cock rings. Right, I
like metal.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
You like the metal?

Speaker 5 (29:13):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
What's a cockring do for you? What do you like
about it?

Speaker 5 (29:17):
Everything that got green supposed to It holds the blood
in and with trimex, like you said, if it is silicone,
it's good, but it does also it does the same thing.
It holds not only the tri mix but also the
blood itself. I can go like seven hours at a
sex party if it's going so.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
People not familiar with with cock rings. It keeps the
blood from leaving your penis, and so it allows you
to sustain a boner for longer.

Speaker 5 (29:42):
Right, and you obviously still have to get yourself turned on,
but after you get turned on, it helps keep that
blood there longer, Yeah, and stronger.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
What's the most outrageous thing you've seen at one of
these parties?

Speaker 5 (29:55):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (29:55):
No, why are you thinking that?

Speaker 4 (29:58):
Sound?

Speaker 6 (29:59):
There's too many A lot of it.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, the people like that. When the boundaries come down,
do they start acting out in unusual ways?

Speaker 5 (30:06):
Or I've never been afraid. I've never been scared of anything.
Just like the way some guys, just the way they
have sexes can get like definitely getting physical is new
to me, so getting like into this smacking around kind
of thing.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
Also like I want you to slap them in the face.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
Yeah, yeah I can. I can stretch my mind enough
to make Are you good at.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
A harming or humiliating somebody?

Speaker 5 (30:33):
I am? But I'm as with any kink. It is
safety first. And I do check in, you know.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
With because people people don't like being slapped without warning.

Speaker 6 (30:44):
No, it's always consent.

Speaker 5 (30:45):
Consent first, yes, yeah, let's say, and continual exceps like
checking in and making sure that consent is maintained. Well.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Like one thing like someone paid me to basically like
you know, humiliate them or boss them around. And I
and I said, okay, I want you to like eat
a balanced, nutritious diet. I want you to go to
bed early. You think you can do that, huh? And
it's like, and I want you to go work out
and put in a lot of sweat equity into the

(31:15):
gym and take care of yourself and then go see
a therapist and like reflect on your relationships.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Huh, you can think.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Of you do that and He's like, this is just
like you're tricking me into going like taking care of myself,
you know.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Well they're like, this is not what I want to
don't want humiliation, not self care, you know.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
And and part of it is like, you know, is
there a pattern of behavior when you're humiliating somebody that
you can't like trick them into taking better care of themselves.

Speaker 5 (31:45):
Well, no matter what, with any kink, there has to
be some form of aftercare. There is a lot of
danger in just psychologically breaking people. And I've been My
first time being flogged was not successful just because of.

Speaker 6 (31:57):
Who I was doing, who I was dealing with was.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
As advanced in this and knowledgeable as they needed to be. Yeah,
so I actually got really psychologically broke down. I imagine
flogging the situation because you're up there, you don't know.
They didn't know quite what that scene entailed. There was
no real conversation and it just wasn't done right. And
I was even coming I was on a st. Andrew's cross.
I was even coming in out of consciousness at one point,

(32:21):
but just with their front.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
So people don't know what that is.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
It's it's a it's an X that you tie your
arms and kind of like the Christian Cross, but instead
of a tea, it's an atrap.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
St Andrew was crucified on a cross like.

Speaker 6 (32:34):
That, but he didn't want to be.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
He didn't want to be. It's called Andrew's Cross because
he didn't.

Speaker 5 (32:37):
Want to be crucified like Jesus on the same cross.
So he created that cross. So yeah, oh really, that's
why it's called St. Andrews Cross.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
So St Andrew's got to pick what he was crucial.

Speaker 5 (32:46):
Well, he thought it was blasphemous to be crucified the
same way as Jesus.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
He thought that elevated him too much.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
But they don't care.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
State of Scotland, I believe.

Speaker 6 (32:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
But so the people who are trying to kill St. Andrews,
they don't give a fuck what. They're like, we're going
to kill you the way we want to.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
You know, it's not well he had final.

Speaker 6 (33:02):
Request and they honored.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
It's like, flog me on this and then crucify me
and then nail me hard, just like our friend Shaw here.

Speaker 5 (33:13):
Yeah, bye, have a conversation with the people. Do it
only with people you trust. Don't involve drugs your first
time too? Yeah of course.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Well I mean, you've seen you know, people turning to
uh like k and hallucinogenic mushrooms as a type of
therapy to dealing with post traumatic stress disorder or any
kind of traumas. What's you know, and and and sort
of the line start to get blurred with sexual play
and that kind of stuff. What do you make about

(33:43):
this change in the way we're dealing with trauma.

Speaker 5 (33:47):
That's the difference between abusing a drug and obviously medically
being monitored while you're using it. You're not just handing
ketamine to people and saying go off into the world.
You're sitting down with them and having an intentional session
with these drugs. Even with psychedelics, you're in a controlled
environment being studied with people.

Speaker 6 (34:07):
So that's the difference.

Speaker 5 (34:08):
I mean, people are just running off and doing drugs,
even steroids. I'm not under a medical supervision in the
way that they're intended.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
But it's like, do you think that it's promising like that,
you know, dealing with like you know, a doctor, a
psychologist and doing like ketamine therapy or something like that.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
Do you think there's this promise.

Speaker 5 (34:26):
For Obviously on the medical side, it looks like there
is I'm not qualified to decide whether it is or not.
I have done a ketamine session and it was it
didn't help.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
It did.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
Yeah, it doesn't last forever, but it does redirect the
mental pathways that you've already had set. Even with psychedelics,
it sort of just mixes things up because your brain
wants to go the most efficient way from one point
to another. So once you have like potato chips in
the morning, you wake up every morning wanting to pay
potato chips in the morning until you break that neural pathway.
But it's really hard to break and easier to do

(34:56):
with something like I take psychedelics.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
I heard one of you guys he was on acid
and he's his entire life and then he was able
to like during his acid chip, it was just like
I don't need to smoke, and then he just never
smoked again. Yeah, like that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Well, they even say, you know, Alan Carr's method for
quitting smoking actually is very effective for people who are
dealing with substance or trauma addictions or any kind of
like traumatic pass that still haunts them. They describe it
as that, and part of that is, like, you know,
using sort of cognitive cognitive psycho therapy as a way

(35:34):
of sort of understanding the mechanism of why they're haunted
by their addiction and sort of giving them the pathways
to coming off of that. And in terms of bodybuilding,
you know, you guys have listened to the show. Pretty
much every single successful bodybuilder has like a tale of
woe that ignites that journey. And for you, you've had quite

(35:54):
a bit of woe. So it's really happy and inspiring
to see you living your best life and having fun
and making money and looking good.

Speaker 5 (36:04):
It's so good. Life is so good to me now.
I mean I was so hard on myself. I mean
even before all that, I tested positive for HIV and
I trust killed myself. And now I think of it like,
would you have done that to a friend even at
the time. No, I would not have spoken to any
one of my friends. I would have been supportive. I
would have sent them love and said it's going to

(36:24):
be okay. But I just could not say that to
myself at the time. Self compassion or grace, whatever you
want to call it, it is a practice you have
to learn and practice every day.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
They say you're your own worst enemy. You can just
get outside of your own ego and you can do things.
You know.

Speaker 5 (36:39):
Honestly, that was probably the biggest flip switch I flipped.
And I always said if I started steroids, I would
do it right. I wouldn't just do steroids and have
the same lifestyle. I would really gun it at the gym.
So it was not only a goal but an incentive.
Once I started to really hit it hard.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
And before we started recording, talked about how you had
been working out, but it was the nutrition really eating.
You just weren't eating before. What was your diet like
before and what's it like now?

Speaker 5 (37:07):
Yeah, well I ran into fosto. Actually, instead mentioned that
I had gone onto another cycle.

Speaker 6 (37:11):
And I had just forgotten to eat.

Speaker 5 (37:14):
I don't forget to eat because I had sort of
been wrapped up in so many other things and sort
of let that all go, And so once I started eating,
it just blew up again.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
Yeah, but like, what kind of changes in your food
were you?

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Like going to you know, McDonald's and spending forty dollars
for a burger and fries.

Speaker 5 (37:33):
I know, no, I'm so hard on myself if I
go to McDonald's.

Speaker 6 (37:38):
I'm not so hard on myself.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
But I do cook at home, mostly a ton of chicken, breast, chicken, vegetables.

Speaker 6 (37:43):
I mean that really is just the goal.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
And you really know how to hustle with an air fryer, yes,
I do.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Now, in fact, for the listener of the show, please
get yourself an air fryer. Mark has a really good
trick on how to find an air fryer, really inexpensively.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Well, the first one I bought was a thrift because
people always getting rid of them, And.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
So if you live near a thrift store, go look
there first, because you can get those air ninjas sometimes
for like twenty bucks or something really ridiculously cheap, you know,
and those on Amazon they're like two hundred dollars, you know.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
So it's like thrift stores is a great place to go.

Speaker 5 (38:19):
Yeah, And I think I've heard you talk about this
with other people that you it doesn't have to be
a lot of money, and just learn how to cook,
Like you can cook yourself something really good and flavorful
like any restaurant, but from home, and it'll just be
better for you.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, And you know, and part of it is like
the money that you would be spending going out to eat,
spend some of that money into higher quality foods because literally,
your job now is to build muscle, and I say
tweet it like a job, you know, meaning that you
want to have the best food. You're the Lamborghini. You
want to put the fancy gas in because that gas

(38:53):
translates to better muscle. And too many people they're just
you know, once they start their first aeroid cycle, they're
like they're kind of like Homer Simpson trying to climb
the Tibetan Mountain's letting the steroids do the heavy work
and not the nutrition, the sleeping, the eating and stuff
like that. And in terms of like, you know, the

(39:14):
the changes in your mind, you know. And I always
tell people it's like, look, if you're HIV positive, you're
you know, you're working out of the gym. Talk to
your doctor about testosterone replacement therapy because that can be
really great at mitigating some of the side effects of
the medication or the HIV because most doctors are treating

(39:35):
their symptoms only about the T cell count and that's it.
They don't look at anything else. Literally, they run and
have some clients, you know, like their doctors run medical
tests on a wide variety of markers and the doctors
just like shrug it off because it's like, well, it's
not the end of the world. And I'm like, you know,

(39:56):
you want to be in a situation where you want
to thrive.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
You don't want to just stay alive.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
It's like, put that paradigm in the past.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
You know, that's the nineties.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
We're here to like live good lives, and I want
everybody who listens to the show to live their best life,
whatever shape that takes in. And so for you know,
in terms of testosterone replacement therapy, it can boost your
red cell count and so a lot of the anemia
that for example, that comes with HIV and AIDS and
that you know, or cancer can be mitigated by just

(40:26):
increasing the blood cells in your body.

Speaker 5 (40:29):
Yeah. Who knows what T cells or what testosterone levels
were in the past or whatnot. But it just feels
like once I started, I just felt so confident. It
changed my mental stay completely. With testosterone.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Well, you know, testosterone replacement therapy is also going to
give you the vocabulary to express yourself. It gives you,
you know, sort of takes some of the adrenaline and
gives you the confidence to speak.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Your mind and to ask for or relationships.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
You know. And it's when you talk to trans people too.
A lot of them to say the first time I
took that estrogen or testosteroe, They're just like, this is
what my body needed, this is what I wanted. And
I don't know, you know, is like that's what they
really feel. I mean, you know, is it really you know,
so I don't know.

Speaker 6 (41:16):
It is gender affirm character.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Yeah, and so in many ways, it's like your body
knows what it wants and what it needs.

Speaker 5 (41:22):
Yeah, I've always been I always know I was gay
when once I found out you know what that word was,
and but I've always been a boy, like I never
had a problem with my gender, and so I'm lucky
I feel in that way.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
But definitely only wearing heels and makeup.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
But it just makes it easier. I mean it's definitely
a privilege. But yeah, right, I mean there's.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
Definitely been how comfortable in the gender do you want
to be? Today?

Speaker 2 (41:45):
And I'm part of it is like you're defining gender
on your own terms, not somebody else is getting to
do that, So you're being yourself still.

Speaker 5 (41:54):
Yeah yeah, but I'm I'm just a man, you know,
And I do like playing with clothes and things, but
that is a costume that I'm putting on. I have
many friends that are that is who they are, and
I'm not trying to imitate them. I'm not trying to
beat them, because they are who they are and that's
very specific to them, and I'm very proud of them
for finding that and living as outrageously and brightly as

(42:16):
they possibly can. But I just like to do it
for fun. I'm a boy. You know, I've never so
to me with your own gender, right, I'm enhancing my gender,
which you know.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
The Olympics are on full bloom this week and one
of the the a lot of the men's Olympic athletes
are you know, complaining that they you know, it's twenty
twenty four, let us compete without clothing on.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Well, I think it's the gymnast so that they could
do a better job, because I think they find the
clothing to be well shirtless. They specifically they want to
be without a shirt. I support, Hell, yeah, they were
so hard, you can do it.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Why not that it is weird that you know that
there is certain threat, you know, dressing thresholds, like you
can wear shirts here, but not there, and it's ironically
like men's swimming has gotten there wearing these units harts
now that it's like and it's hiding the goods. And
I'm like, hey, people, it is the sport of show

(43:27):
show it.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Did they have the shower cam like they had it then?
It was it the Beijing remember that at the Beijing Olympics.
It was like the shower cam.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Good for them, But it was a gay man that
came up with that.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Ye let's watch them shower. I was just like, this
is really happening, really really.

Speaker 5 (43:41):
I did just see an Iran though, they actually have
censor blocks over like just runners, so they have like
a full block over all of the runners and like
individual but the black there's genitalia in those spandex even
in Iran.

Speaker 6 (43:57):
That's too much. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Well I did go on scruff and I tried to
get into like the Olympic village on scruff, but my
scruff was having a problem. I couldn't load it up.
And I did look on Sniffy's though. And you know,
I'm not saying anybody, It's like I'm an Olympic athlete
and looking to get laid on the ilsandanis.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
Well grinder blocked egg ye grinder grinder.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Yeah. So the organizers that the Olympics have work in
cooperation with some of the dating apps Grinder, Tender, Sniffies
and so on, scruff and they are at the Olympic village.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
You can't launch those apps.

Speaker 5 (44:35):
Because in the past some people have been outed as
being gay.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
I mean I did during the Socio Olympics and I
actually talked to some people in Sochi at the time
and they're just like, I'm not getting any action. It's
so homophobic here.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (44:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Now, for people who are wanting to develop gymnast arms,
train like a gymnast dips. A lot of what makes
gymnast arms so thick and beautifully bulbusts in those biceps
and triceps is because they're using their arms to stabilize
while the arm.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
Itself is stretched out.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
So dips, chin ups, planks, hanging leg raises, anything where
you're sort of like having to you know, hang off
of something or stabilize yourself on a bar is going
to help build those gymnast arms that are so luscious
and beautiful, you know. And part of it is also
these guys are young, but you know, you can see

(45:30):
like someone like John Meadow's Rest in Peace who has
a background in gymnastics and then went on to be
a bodybuilder, or any bodybuilder that has a background in gymnastics,
you can see that their biceps and triceps are much
more developed, you know. And so for me it's like,
I don't think of my arms it's that big, but
or my chest is that big. But going to the

(45:52):
bodybuilding contests having people backstage be like, you know, for
your size, your chest and arms are really really well developed.
And so if you want to get bigger, you have
to look at the smaller muscles in your body and
train for those because the other muscles are going to
then move along with it. And so for you right now,
you're said you were doing medicine ball squats to build

(46:15):
your glutes.

Speaker 6 (46:18):
Oh yeah, yeah, really focusing on the glues.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Do you have really really well developed legs and you
have those nice veins that everybody likes.

Speaker 6 (46:25):
Yeah, I've always had the good lower body.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
To get a ball. You want to get a bounced.

Speaker 6 (46:34):
High water I want to sell that booty.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Why do you call it a high water booty because
because when the water raises high it's above the water line.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
And so you're you're just doing medicine ball squats. Are
you doing anything else to?

Speaker 5 (46:47):
Oh no, lot, the split lunch has been a good one.
That one hurts, definitely hip thrust.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
So that's that you're doing when you're putting your foot
on on like a bench or a stabilizing But.

Speaker 5 (46:58):
I'm so big. For big people, that's just way too
much balance. Like little guys can do a lot more
in termally bad sticking their legs out. I don't know
I feel that way anyway. I'm just so big. So
that's my version of the split Romanian.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
I don't have the best balance either.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
So and yeah, because I'm so big well, And part
of it is, like you know, with this journey here
the reason it's called the journey, because you're discovering things
about yourself. I mean it's like, you know, for me,
it's just like one thing is like when I get ABS,
those people that hate me or.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
Don't show an difference to me are going to change
their tune.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
And I had ABS and I want a second place
metal and those assholes are still assholes. You cannot if
someone is prejudiced or hates you for any reason, no
matter what you look like, it's not going to change them.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
You can only change you, no, but you can change
your body for them.

Speaker 6 (47:55):
And because I.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Thought these people will reject you no matter what, because
it's on them.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
It's not how you look. But on the other side,
you thought it was. I've been partying around these people
for years, and they're.

Speaker 6 (48:07):
Like, they're never talking to me, like they've yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
And they've they're talking to me like they're meeting me
and never, and I guess I was just sort of
hanging out observing them, and now that they're talking.

Speaker 6 (48:17):
To me, it's kind of like, oh, okay, you had
your chance.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
Lets see Sean. It goes in both directions. It's like
they don't.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Remember me, but I remember that exactly very well.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
Yeah, and they're acting like they're suddenly interested. I'm like,
here's just a big phony.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
That's like they suddenly are interested.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
So you're not about the substance at all.

Speaker 6 (48:37):
You're just about how I look, which is.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
When you live in a place. Because Fast and I've
both been in Chicago like almost thirty years now, so
it's kind of like these people were hot thirty years ago.
They didn't want anything to do with you, and now
they're just old man and now they want to have
sex to you. I'm like fifteen years ago.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
But part you know, man's rejections, God's protection. And it's
like some if you said yes to every person that
wanted to.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
Have sex with you, you'd be dead.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
You know, I would be dead if I did that.
And it's like it's just not realistic or and so
then asking somebody to show sexual interest in somebody else
as a form of liberation, to me is really misguided. Now,
showing social interest, that's a different thing. Being polite, being kind,
being curious. I think that's something that everybody wants to develop,

(49:27):
because it's like it's about your health. There's new studies
that come out that if your thyroid is compromised, not
only is your cholesterol level is going to be higher
because your body can't convert the cholesterol into t stosterone,
for example, but also your curiosity starts to get diminished,
and so your appetite for learning, for meeting new people,

(49:52):
for all those kind of things gets severely compromised.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
So do you think a lot of these MAGA people
just have thyroid disorders?

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Name we don't know, you know, but you know, think
about some gay guys you know who are like their
health is not that great, but it's like their thyroid's
all fucked up and you know, and that's why they're
just like they don't have any energy to meet new
people or want any to deal with new ideas and things.
And so, you know, if you feel like you used

(50:18):
to be, you know, this old dog new tricks kind
of thing. It may be a situation where the thyroid
and finding a wellness doctor as opposed to just a
regular doctor who can look into that and make course corrections.
And it may be something as simple as getting iodized salt.
It's that easy, like because everybody's like, oh, we can't
have salt in our diet, and I'm like, yeah, but

(50:40):
by cutting out salt, you're also cutting out iodine. So
you can take iodine supplementation, but that might not be
effective for what you need. So that's why you want
to work with a doctor that knows about these things.
And you know, unfortunately a lot of people don't even
ask their health insurance provider for find a wellness doctor

(51:01):
that's covered on their plan.

Speaker 5 (51:03):
Right, A lot of the things you've brought up take
a lot of research. To get to and just without
that curiosity, it's difficult to get there at all.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
That's why I'm available ninety nine bucks an hour.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
You can an hour about an hour, it's an hour.

Speaker 5 (51:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Oh, if you're premium for the first consult.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
For the consultation, you can hire me or other you
know Shaw Knight for other things.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
But ongoing coaching is ongoing coaching.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
It's two hundred dollars a month, and we talk four
times a week and a month four times there, four
times a month.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
Once you need an hour a week, I probably need one.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Yeah, so we we Basically it's two hundred dollars a month.
We talk an hour a week and we go over everything.
The consultation is just one of those ninety nine dollars
and we look at everything you've been doing and make
recommendations for you to take your bodybuilding to the next level.

(51:56):
And a lot of people don't don't They just don't
ask their doctors for these things. And you know, here's
this little secret word. It doesn't feel safe. That's all.
That's all you have to say to your doctor to
get your doctor wake up. Because like if you're if
your blood pressure is too high or thyroid markers are
off and the doctor's like, eh, whatever, you know, just

(52:18):
say are you sure?

Speaker 4 (52:20):
It just doesn't feel safe?

Speaker 1 (52:21):
What it's going to do?

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Those are trigger words that they have to.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
They have to do something about it. They have to
do something you can control. A doctor, you'd be like.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Well, you can take them to take something more serious,
because you know, in this, in this kind of situation,
you have to you know, impress upon them that you
really want them to take action and not just be
like deferring to their you know, a doctor is always
going to be like, nah, it just takes two aspirin
and call me in the morning, you know, and stuff.
And it's like your testosterone levels are like like mine.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
When I first before I started TRT, I was.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
One fifty and you know, and I know that for
my father's background, he had a bunch of like medical
issues that at my age now I don't have. And
that's because of the result of the to software replacements.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Well, and also strength building and strength training, because you know,
when you build muscles, muscles that they've just discovered this recently,
is they your muscles when they contract force broken pieces
of cell outside of the cell, so they can be
cleared out of your system. And so if you're not exercising,
if you're not doing resistance training, your cells have a
lot of broken stuff inside them just waiting to get released.

Speaker 5 (53:33):
Yeah, totally. And back to you plugging yourself. I have been.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
I've been in front of yours for a while.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
You I always.

Speaker 6 (53:39):
I love having conversation with you.

Speaker 5 (53:40):
There's a lot of things that you've told me that
have helped me out long term.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
I know, I try to get you as a client.
I know that's what I'm glad to do. It didn't
bite well.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
You're doing a great job on your own, and part
of it is like my my philosophy is like get
you up and running on your own.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
And you know, it's like, I'm so happy.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
That you've like, you know, cross these thresholds and got
in your body building to the next level.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
Are you thinking about doing a contest at all? That's
long term to me. I feel like I'm alone. You
could do it in a year. You could do it
in a year.

Speaker 6 (54:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (54:12):
My schedule has just gone so great.

Speaker 6 (54:13):
I'm thirty nine. I just turned thirty nine.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
So once you turn forty, then do your contest.

Speaker 6 (54:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Yeah, because the thing about it is is like most
people quit in their forties.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
So yeah, in their forties, Like there's a lot of.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Guys up on those that stage in their forties who
looked fucking spectactically. Oh yeah, well when faster it was
on the stage in the fifties. How many people were
in that contest? Six?

Speaker 2 (54:33):
In my category there were eight and I was second.
And in terms of the the people for my weight class,
it was thirty two.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
And that was overall general over the over fifty mass.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Number fifty, it was about eight and then I and
I was second place. And then of my weight class
it was thirty two contestants and I was also a
number eight on that as well. So and I was like,
I was shocked, And I was like, I did I
didn't that I was going to get somebody.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Some of these guys in your weight class were in
their twenties. Yes, so you beat out guys who were
like thirty years.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
Year correct, But they didn't look that good.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
So yeah, they looked like they had lost a bet.
And I said to my I said to my coach,
I'm like, I just don't want to look like a loss.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Of bet because we've seen that.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Yeah, we went to the Gay Games, which is sort
of the two two thousand and six, and we went
to see the bodybuilding competition and some of these guys
they just look like they did not belong there. And
one guy looked like he was trying to hatch an egg,
you know, he just squat there, went onto the stage
and just squatted down the floor. And I could have swore,

(55:42):
you know, Sean, I swore that he was just going
to lay a TRD on that stage.

Speaker 5 (55:47):
You know, everyone's on their own journey, no judgments.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
No judgments, contests, you know, and I was just like,
you know, I was really uh, you know. And part
of it is, like I like situations where everybody's invited
to participate, and so I appreciated that he was there,
and some of these contestants were there and they were
just looking for the experience to be humanly.

Speaker 6 (56:12):
YEA good for well yeah, well some people pay for it.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
And that's part of it is it's like, you know,
I'm thinking, you know, somebody who really gets off on
being humiliated and public, like justin Jedlicka is somebody who's
open about the human ken doll, Like I could see
him getting into a bodybuilding contest and people be like, oh,
this is disgusting.

Speaker 4 (56:33):
I can't believe it.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Why would you?

Speaker 4 (56:37):
You know?

Speaker 1 (56:37):
I meanwhile, he's jerking off backstage like yes.

Speaker 5 (56:43):
For me.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
And so in terms of so you're not going to
do a contest anytime soon, but you got a lot
of gigs. As a go go boy, I do a
go go man.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
I mean, you know, when you hit forty, can you
use the term go go boy? But luckily I look young.

Speaker 5 (57:00):
I've always had that.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Going for Can I use the term go go boy?

Speaker 4 (57:02):
Be like, go go Grandpa, go go person. I'm a
go go person. I'm a go go many.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
So please go go human, Go go humans, Go go humans.
Let's go go Kamala Harris.

Speaker 5 (57:17):
There's no fabulous performers. I just saw some in LA
and San Francisco.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
You did, yeah, I mean non binary bodybuilders or what.

Speaker 5 (57:26):
I'm sorry I mentioned men of a certain age up
on stage, particularly at the Eagle.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
Oh yeah, well that's gonna happen.

Speaker 6 (57:32):
And the Bears and just guys with big dicks were already.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
See a lot more representation, a lot of more variety,
you know, and I love it. Yeah, I think it's fantastic.
You know, I just think about men all the time,
don't you. Yeah, it's not like that. Barbara Aiden, Uh,
what is it? Gloria Swanson and Brookshields. You can watch
them on YouTube. They're doing singing about men, men men men. Oh,

(57:59):
it's wonderful.

Speaker 5 (57:59):
But it's great to not have a type, especially for
the work I do. But you get to taste so
many different flavors. You're like, why limit yourself? You wind
the variety.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
I love the variety. If you're a good person, you're
a good person.

Speaker 5 (58:11):
If you're hot, you're hot. I you know, if it works,
it works.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
So you know, do you do you think of yourself
as a hot person?

Speaker 6 (58:19):
I have been Yeah.

Speaker 5 (58:20):
Yeah, it's easy to look at my boyfriend and say
I must be hot if he's with me.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
So well, somebody said to me, it's like, are you're
looking great? And I said, yes, you are correct.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
Where do I get that from? Mark?

Speaker 1 (58:32):
You have good taste, your vision is excellent.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
I agree with you. Now you still haven't done in OnlyFans.

Speaker 6 (58:42):
I'm working on it.

Speaker 5 (58:43):
That's what the name conversation is going to be about.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
So people got away in what is shaw Knight's shug
Knights like a blake? A Blake.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Okay, Blake, maybe I like that. Do you like Blake?

Speaker 4 (58:54):
I don't mind Blake. I can work with Blake.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
I don't know if it's a first name or last name.

Speaker 5 (58:58):
I feel like a Blake Blake blade Blade. I like
Rusty Warren. I have a Blade on my list. I
had Ridge on my list. Well what name should I have?
Because I was going to do it?

Speaker 2 (59:12):
People asking me, like a writer, do you have an
only only fans? I said no, I have an only
flonds and Sean, will you come on my only flonds
and eat custard?

Speaker 5 (59:24):
Fully committed? My sweet tooth is insatiable.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
It is inble.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
I'm not going to smart and I will make a
really nice custard for you to gobble up in front of.

Speaker 6 (59:33):
It will be gobble.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
You can sit on it or eat it, which which
to do first.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
But one thing that you got to asked a lot
from people is photos of and you have beautiful legs
and big giant feet, but you don't want to give
out photos of your feet. Why is that?

Speaker 5 (59:52):
Well, that's a conversation. If I'm talking to a client,
I haven't met them. I don't know this person.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
They're usually just getting what they need out of.

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
The conversation, and I don't get any money. Never hear
from them again, particularly if I send pictures. So if
they ask for a picture of anything, I always say,
it's on my profile everything you need to see. If
you need to see more, you can pay me otherwise,
And they that usually scares them.

Speaker 6 (01:00:15):
What they know what they're doing, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
They know what they're they know they're fishing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Yeah, yeah, Well part of it is like you know,
some people want to just and every single day they go, Hi,
what's up, what's happening?

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
And I'm like, the same thing that was happening yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
I know, I'm not going to talk about my personal
private life, whether you're a complete stranger. You know, right,
you're giving me a dollar, right, If you want to
talk about how frustrated I am with the world or
my relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
We can talk about anything you want. We can talk
about romance, politics, revolutions. Just make sure the money comes through, right,
And so for.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Me, I'm just like, look, if you want me to
talk about engage with you, you know understand that I
have to do things in my life well.

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
And another problem is getting hired. And then they think
it was such a great time, and if I do
my job right, it looks like I really liked them
in like the time, And so they're so confused why
they're not able to just become one of my friends
in my group that I hang out with.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
I'm like, come on, technically, are your friends, but not
all your friends do the same thing.

Speaker 5 (01:01:16):
I can care about you and still have that that
boundary of we met as this, I'm not going to
turn you into that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
That's such an awkward thing to.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Now you feel you feel like that if you do
a certain kind of if you do anything pornographic, sexual
in front of video or cameras with the with the
person that's not meeting the expectations of your fan base,
that it's that can compromise your future in that field.

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
That's advice I have received. Yeah, is yeah, if you're
going to do gay porn, do gay porn. If you're
going to do a kink, do the kink. But if
you choose one community, the communities don't really it'll make
I want you to move on to something else.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
So if you're doing furries like dressing up as you know,
miss Piggy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
So once he gets to this flaw racket, he can't
go over there like pies or cakes anything. He's stuck
with flawn Flons.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
Baby, I will live by the flawn dive from the
f I.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
Was born a flon man.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
I like flawn, I can't, I do not lie. I
love caramel custard.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Man, It's like it's so simple and it's so delicious.

Speaker 5 (01:02:30):
Can the best they can you describe a flawn? I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Yeah, it's like a crumblet but less exciting.

Speaker 6 (01:02:38):
Can it be lemon?

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Yeah? Of course it can favors. So here's the thing
flon lends itself to. It's a custard, right, so it's eggs, sugar.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
Milk, it and a vanilla.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
And the thing about it is caramel is gives it
that richness.

Speaker 6 (01:02:55):
Oh so maybe not lemon then.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
So you can make a lemon version if if the
lemon goes well with the.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Caramel and the camels on the pan, right, so the
sugar's on the pan, then you put the caramel and
then you cook it in the oven with okay, and
a dish with water.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
So basically I'm getting that that lemon's my favorite. So
if you're gonna do it flows for me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
If you make a chocolate. The chocolate really makes it thick.

Speaker 6 (01:03:14):
I do want a chocolate flow?

Speaker 5 (01:03:16):
You don't?

Speaker 6 (01:03:17):
I do? Know, Yes you do. It's sound so good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Pumpkin Pie flawn which is a pumpkin pie filling but
cooked like a flawn is. We have a video with
Pandora Box from Rapulse Drag Race and Mark and Iron
Drag for this and you can watch it on YouTube
and back. It was filmed a long time ago, but
it's still I run into people all the time. They're like,
you're the puplkad pie flying guy And I was like,

(01:03:45):
how in hell did you recognize me with a beard?
And you know, because I was like, you know, probably
twenty five pounds later there.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
You never know if you put yourself out there. I
had some random guys Bobby at IML and take a
picture of me. I was like, what is going on?

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
He's like I never I never thought I'd be.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
Able to like touch you. I was like, how did you? Oh?
You must have found me online.

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
Don't have the money, don't want to pay pay me?

Speaker 5 (01:04:06):
Damn it?

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Well, maybe can you make it like a sliding scale?
Like it doesn't have to be cash, It could be
in kind like a RuPaul's Drag Race.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Just they have like booths set up and you just
have you know, meet and greets.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
Is on my tour dates.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
These are my March go visit my website, follow me
on Snapchat, Instagram, boy Ahoy, scruff Grinder, BGC's.

Speaker 5 (01:04:35):
I'll get it, all of that sort of slowly getting
into all of these things. Only fans is next. I've
already started filming with.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
So what is going to be? I say, Rusty Warren
is a good Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Not like other people like I'm not I'm not shooting porn.
I'm just recording the sex I have. And I'm like, oh,
that's a nice sentiment.

Speaker 5 (01:04:57):
Yeah, of the films are of the videos I've already
made it. There's only one where we had like a
setup of any kind of a script and it was
just improv But others, yes, otherwise, just take your clothes
off and have sex.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Do you feel like bodybuildings getting gayer? Just based on
what we see like on Instagram?

Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
Don't you think everything's getting gayer?

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Yea, some more than others and some faster than others.

Speaker 5 (01:05:20):
Maga's getting gear and gear by the day. How so,
I mean they're dressing like him. They're they're following a mandic,
sexualizing him and like making him bigger than God. I
feel like they have a boner for Trump more than anything.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Well, he gives them permission to just be terrible people.
He releases there is an ego or the ID. I
don't know what he does, but he just allows them
to be the terrible, terrible, the.

Speaker 6 (01:05:46):
Drama.

Speaker 5 (01:05:47):
It's just so gay to me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
It's weird. I like weird rebranding, Like we're just gonna
start calling them weird because it is fucking its.

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
Weird, Like wearing diapers because he wears diapers. Have you
seen those pictures? She was gold diapers, like proud of
him for being a diaper man. And then the ear
patches on the ear question.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
It's like you see these guys talking to Faust, like
these guys that I aml and stuff like that. You
see them they're into like a baby play and so
they wear these diapers. But I think some of them
were wearing diapers because you know, those loads are leaking
out and something's got to catch.

Speaker 6 (01:06:16):
It, right, Trump brand.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
Diapers, you know I mean that, you know, make it
make it rain.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
I guess Oh no, astely listen you know, if it
was just a cult that was into wearing diapers, I'd
be fine with it, you know. And there's plenty of a
lot of the cults that are into diapers that I
am l right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
But they're trying to run your life.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
But they're trying to ruin your life, and they're trying
to run the country. So, uh, next week, we are
going to be doing a podcast on HIV and bodybuilding.
They're twins, They're they're intertwined. That we would not have
bodybuilding be as accessible as it is today if it
was not for the history of doctors and people treating

(01:07:03):
people with HIV and vice versa.

Speaker 5 (01:07:05):
Fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
So we're gonna look into like ways you can benefit
if you're HIV positive by getting into bodybuilding and you
know how to prevent HIV from happening, and also how
to treat HIV with the same tools that bodybuilders do
if you do become positive. You know, And one thing
I tell everybody, take your creating. That's bad advice I've

(01:07:26):
given people in the past. I tell people it's like,
creating is not that big of a deal, but in
terms of like your mental health, in terms of your ability,
your body's ability to be resilient. There's no other supplements
that's been as studied and analyze as much as Creating,
and so in terms of like people are HIV positive,
it's like taking Creating can be extremely powerful to helping

(01:07:50):
you live your best life.

Speaker 5 (01:07:51):
I bought that supplement in high school for the first time,
and it is the only thing that, over that amount
of time is the most consistent in the research.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
Well, you know, and in the early history of using Creating,
it was sold with dextros and so it was like
you were putting all this sugar into your body when
you were taking it, because the idea was that you
were going to open up the pathways for the creatine
to go into your cells. But right now it's been
shown that basically, if you're taking creatine, it's eventually going

(01:08:18):
to make its way into your cells and be better
for you.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
So that's one thing you can do.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
And you know, testosterone replacement therapy if for people who
have a.

Speaker 4 (01:08:27):
Low anemia, you know, low red.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Blood cell count, can be a really effective way of
raising your red blood cells and.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
A bunch of other things we're going to be talking
about there with Brian.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
So stick around honeys okay, and people can follow shaw
Knight on social media.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Through what channel?

Speaker 5 (01:08:46):
Leave me alone?

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
No, they want you to. I don't have anything up yet.

Speaker 5 (01:08:50):
We're either going to change my name and I'm going
to rebrand and you can all find me there, or
bug shaw Knight.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
I will rent man Chicago?

Speaker 6 (01:08:58):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 5 (01:08:59):
Reman? I don't know that I should be pluging that,
you know, I mean, you are just spending money for
the time.

Speaker 6 (01:09:07):
Nothing else is there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
It's legal only to unless you choose to make it illegal,
So you know you're paying for the time, not the
the fun.

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
That is a way to reach out to me, yes, O, yeah,
but they have to pay they sure.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
What do you think that people misunderstand about you and
the work that you do?

Speaker 5 (01:09:28):
The most I have. It's been a roller coaster of
a year and a half to two years on this.
The I'm just over being mean to myself about it,
and the guilt that came with it early on is
nearly gone now that I have so many friends, you know,
my boyfriends in the industry too. It just makes it

(01:09:49):
so easy to be with people that are living their
best lives. I just I love it. I love what
I do. It's fun. I like meeting new people. I
like working in this way.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
I like, you're kind of like on vacation right now.

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
Is kind of difficult.

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
Like I said, I had a little bit of a
breakdown because it just felt like I wasn't doing anything,
but I had all this money.

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
I was like, but it is work.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Well, if you ever need to get rid of some
of this money.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
How do people get rid of that?

Speaker 6 (01:10:20):
Dirty? Dirty?

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
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Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
Wait to get that, honey. Before I met you, guys,
you were listening to the show.

Speaker 6 (01:10:55):
It was your.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Result of this, of this podcast.

Speaker 6 (01:10:58):
It gave me the confidence I'm so sorry. It was
part of that education for sure. Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
How did you come across it?

Speaker 6 (01:11:05):
I don't remember.

Speaker 5 (01:11:07):
I don't remember. I just I think it was just
when in twenty twenty, I was looking at podcasts and
walking my dog a lot, and it's just one that
came up. I had recognized you, at least from conversations
we'd had other than.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
On rentman dot com or Dingles.

Speaker 6 (01:11:28):
I used to live north right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
We've always been here.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
I've been stuck in the twenty years. Yeah, in this neighborhood,
and that will die in this neighborhood.

Speaker 5 (01:11:35):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Yeah, we were close enough that you popped up on
my Mandersonville for your plebeians.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Maybe he was at a gym up north or something.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Maybe we used to work out at the La Fitness
in Evanstone. That would do it, you know, back in
the day.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
I was fifty five, six years ago. When did that close?

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
Eight or eight?

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
Well, the one on Howard, did you?

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
Yeah? So then, yeah, I lived.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
Right there one, But you also used to go to
the one in Evanston because that was open till midnight. Yeah,
so we used to drive up there and then it
started closing an eleven and then it just closed all together.
And one time I was like, yeah, now Export is
La Fitness here in Chicago, and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Vasa Fitness just open in the suburbs and stuff. So
the the gym landscape in the Midwest is changing quickly.
You know, they were playing, because you know the gyms,
they play these weird songs that you don't normally listen to.
And Nellie's like, it's getting hot in here, so take
off all your clothes and there's this like really hot

(01:12:30):
guy and I'm just looking at him and to go
sorry the song. You know, come on, do it follow
the instructions. Thank you so much for coming on the show, Shaw,
This is.

Speaker 6 (01:12:44):
So much fun.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Thank you, And of course, you know, folks, if you
do want to know mom or about bodybuildings, seriously, you
can hit me up on Instagram. That's Foulstope Furnos and
the links to that are on the show notes and
if Shaw wants anybody to hit them up, you'll put
that in. And if not, thanks for sharing all the dirt,
all the fun adventures you've been you've had where where

(01:13:08):
where is your next adventure going to be?

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
I'm selling here.

Speaker 5 (01:13:11):
Market Days is coming up for that, so I've got
it coming, uh cain. Yeah, So we're, like I said,
we're doing the sex show for that. That's next. I'll
be yeah, walk for load.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
So you're going to go basically a drying to you know,
scissor sister each other on the stage. Oh yeah, and
have some fun.

Speaker 5 (01:13:39):
I'm always happy when i'll make some money doing it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
You're putt any lotion on your body or anything like
that to be shinier, you can give up coconut oil
and I'll do it for you.

Speaker 5 (01:13:50):
I won't do that for you.

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
What works? Well, Like you're the pro here, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:13:55):
So, I mean it's cell.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Block, there's not it's not to show up and you're like,
I'm ready to go.

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
Give me worth when you wake up like this, I
ain't coming.

Speaker 6 (01:14:05):
You don't.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
You don't you don't like prepare or anything like that or.

Speaker 5 (01:14:10):
No, I'm ready.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
You just show up.

Speaker 5 (01:14:12):
But I'm pretty much ready to have sex that any moment.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
I like that.

Speaker 5 (01:14:18):
I like that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
Thank you so much for coming on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Thanks everybody, Thank you. Bye bye.

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