Tyler Fluitt on Harm Reduction for Steroids

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Almost a third of American gymgoers willuse performance enhancing substances at some point in
their lives. There's always a riskto consider when supplementing to get big muscles,
and many doctors just don't have thetraining or knowledge to help prevent serious
complications. So what do you do? Let's Grow Big Together. It's the

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podcast that squeezes the juice to thelast drop. I'm Faust Ferns and I'm
Mark william In this series, we'retaking a look at the passion for muscle
adventures in bodybuilding, muscle gods,muscle worship, and practical advice. Dum
put on the Game Today, bodybuildingcoach Tyler Fluett joins us to look at
harm reduction for anabolic steroids and performanceenhancing drugs. Tyler specializes in training natural

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athletes to compete in bodybuilding, aswell as helping enhanced athletes compete in safer
ways. Tyler is a popular bodybuildingcoach in Nashville, Tennessee, and now
is training for his nineteenth competition.Plus, new DEA rules could make it
harder for everyone to get telemedicine fortestosterone replacement therapy. There, Hi is

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this Tyler Fluett? Yeah, what'sup? This is faster right? Yeah?
And Mark from Let's Grow Big Together. Hi, you are on the
show. You sound great, Tyler, I'm live. Huh you are a
lot Well it's pretty recorded, butyeah, somebody who is alive, well
at one point in time, listento you cool man. Thanks thanks for

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having me on. Man. Thisis uh. These are always a lot
of fun and I appreciate you guysreaching out. Well, you know,
we started doing this podcast because itwas really something our audience was asking us
to do, is to talk aboutbuilding muscle and the lives of bodybuilder,
not just in what they do,you know, in the art and sport

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and science of building muscle, butalso their lives outside of the gym.
Sure. Yeah, and I'm curiousthat you know, you're really great coach.
I gotta say, like, Ihave friends who train with you,
and you're you know, really providedso much many people the information, the
inspiration, the knowledge and the wisdomto transforming their bodies and their lives.

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Yeah, well that's the goal.One. I appreciate you recognizing that and
affirming I'm doing the right thing.You know, I'm really extremely grateful for
you know, what I get todo, and you know, just being
able to work in something I'm passionateabout that really moves the needle for a
lot of people is incredibly It's incrediblypowerful, it's very it's very rewarding.

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Man. Well, you're the reallygood at it or you're good at faking
it. Well, I guess bothof them works. So well, that's
the thing about it, is right. It's like sometimes you know, people
going to the gym, they starta new fitness program and they're just you
know, going through the motions becausethey they know there's something wrong. They

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want to change their bodies, theirseat. You know, I want to
look like the girls or the menand the magazines. And I'm like,
it's okay not to look like thegirls or the guys in the magazines.
But fortunately I do, and theydon't, you know, know what to
do, and they get frustrated andthey quit. You know, we don't
have our educational systems, our doctors. You know, people just don't know

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what to do. A lot ofthis is anecdotal, right, Yeah,
I would agree, but there's somany people out there, and there's so
many good resources, and there's somany amazing advocates for both the sport and
just physic enhancement in general that areare creating the dialogue and pushing this forward

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for a lot of people. Andyou know, this is something that's become
extremely popular, and you know,thank Instagram and just being generally more of
an image driven world, which Ithink is okay. But there's there's plenty
of people out there doing doing goodwork, and they're doing it in a
way that's responsible, and you know, I want to be on that side.

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I want to be you know,part of the guy's spirit. Guys
and girls kind of spirit hitting headinga little bit of reform in this industry.
That's my main goal because you know, you guys are bodybuilders. You
know how dark this kind of thisstuff can get, and you know how
unhealthy it can get. So mygoal is just to encourage a healthy mindset

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around it and push for more healthyways to look good. Right, if
you're healthy, you're going to lookgood and vice versa. Well, it's
a lot easier to build muscle whenyour body is working and healthy as opposed
to when you're like, you knowright. I know some people who are
bodybuilders and in the middle of theirworkout they go outside of the gym to

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smoke a pack of cigarettes and theylook right. I did that back in
the day. I'd be like assoon as I got out, I'm like,
have a cigarette before I get intothe gym, and have one afterwards.
But definitely killed my gains for sure. That's like, that's the ultimate
pre workout. Just just rip asig before. Well, the young people
today they use those uh vapors.Yeah, the jewels and the vanilla and

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cherry and you know, pumpkin spiceand shit like that. Yeah, it's
just it's like a potpourri. Anytimeyou're around them, you don't know what
you're gonna get. It may belike a you know, an orange sherbet,
or you know, maybe I wasin bodybuilding forums, and you know,
when people want to build muscle,they're willing to do anything it takes,

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you know, and I appreciate thatmindset, that relentlessness. You know,
I was ready about bodybuilders in Ithink it was an Iran who were
using as a pre workout smoking math. I'm sure there are plenty of people
that take a little hit from thepipe and or do a little snort because
they're like, this is really goingto get me jacked and maybe burn off

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a little fat. And I knowone guy, he had to look tyler
on his face. He looked likehe was going to kill somebody, and
he was on something that he shouldn'thave been on, and he looked like
he was about to pass out.But you know what, he was cutting
and doing an hour and a halfof a steady you know, walking cardio

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at the gym at around midnight.And I was just like, man,
this guy, you know, hemay be drop dead, but he's going
to leave a beautiful corpse. Yeah, Yeah, he'll be jack and tan
on the way down for sure.Yeah, he's tanning before, he's doing
cardio and he's you know, allin all to get ready for a contest.
And you know the art of bodybuildingor the support of bodybuilding in a

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contest really is sort of building asmuch mass as you can and then you
know, three months would you say, five months beforehand, uh, starting
to strip away the fat, andthat process can lead to you know,
unexpected consequences and definitely putting pressure onyour body not to be healthy, you
know, right, Yeah, there'salways healthy aspects of bodybuilding. You know,

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lifting weights, I firmly believe it'sone of the healthiest thing you can
do. But with anything, itcan get excessive. So and it's easy
for it to get excessive, andI think you have to have a I
think health needs to be your priority, right And I've been known in bodybuilding
competitions or preparations to push things alittle outside of my comfort zone as far

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as health goes. But you know, when you get to that level,
it does get a little bit murkyand you do have to kind of,
you know, separate yourself from beingoptimally healthy. And even in the off
season. Man, it's it's justyou know, I'm not a real big
guy. You know, I wasat a little guy growing up, but
you know, me having to pushto two hundred and forty pounds is you

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know, I just felt, youknow, I felt awful. But there's
a lot of aspects about bulking twothat just it really puts a lot of
strain on your body. So butman, that's how you are. So
people get kind of visualized like whattwo hundred and forty pounds might be.
Well, I'm about five ten,five eleven, so to forty is not
you know, I'm not a massmonster by any means, but for my

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bone structure, that's that's pushing someweight. So but yeah, yeah,
chonky life, Yeah, chalk life. Did you I mean, you know,
did you get hit on more oftenor do people not care? Did
you feel sexier about yourself at twoforty No? No, I felt I
just felt like I took up space. It wasn't like you know, it's

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and you know what I've noticed iswomen really like they kind of like a
little bit softer, you know,kind of more approachable, strong look generally
speaking, And I think when youget like competition lean. You kind of
just look scary and unapproachable and weirdto women. But luckily I'm married,

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so I don't have to. Youknow, I can kind of look how
I want, and my wife's goingto be totally okay with us. You's
supportive, which doesn't give me anexcuse to get fat, but I got
to keep that. But is yourwife's like secretly like you thick and curvy,
and she's like, have some icecream tiler? No, she she

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has not tried to sabotage me,thank thank goodness. But not about sabotaging.
I mean, you look great.I've seen some of your pictures and
that's what part of the reason Istarted following you is because you're a good
looking guy and you had that youknow, that chonky build that a lot
of gay guys are just like droolingover, you know. And and there
is an element on Instagram that youknow and certainly we mark and I rely

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on this and to get people interestedin the show, too, is just
posting a photo of you that's sexuallyappealing in order to sort of get people
interested in the more challenging things about. Let's talk about nutrition and responsibility and
compliance. The bait and switch pull, grab the attention, and then hit

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him with some some knowledge, hitthem with the boring stuff. So I
mean, I'm almost to have onemillion people be empowered through the course of
your lifetime, and I imagine thata lot of the clients that come to
you there are sometimes they're like,oh, Tyler, this is so much
work. What do you say tothem? Well, I work with with

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anyone, and what we do iswe take these bodybuilding concepts and we apply
them to the individual, the context, and the goal. Right. So
I understand that everyone's not going tocome to me ready to eat chicken six
times a day until you know,the wills fall off. I understand that.

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So my goal is just to getthem from point A to point B
and to find a way to doit using these concepts that fits their life.
So with that, you know,I've studied a whole lot about the
x's and o's and the science.Over the last couple of years, I've
really focused a lot on being abetter coach and finding what motivates people,

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finding how to move people in theright direction and lead them right. And
that's a way bigger challenge because personalities, discipline the things that people want are
all different and on a spectrum.So you have to find what really pushes
that person forward, for example,one being you know, how how do

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you how do you push people?How do you motivate them? Right?
And and there's those clients that youknow, I have a client that's become
a pretty good friend, and hegets motivated when I like pick on him,
like when i'm if I tell himhe looks small, like I will
get the best check in the nextweek. Like he feeds off of that.

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He loves it and he thinks it'shilarious. So but I can't,
you know, I can't have oneof my female clients and I tell them,
hey, look a little fat thisweek. Let's let's see if we
can clean it. Just it doesn'twork. What was that girl? Humiliation
fetish? You know, they wantto be talked down to or you know,

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peede on or whatever. Well,you got to find people's love language.
And sometimes that love language is abuse. Well, and like we were
at the Arnold X Bone and wewere talking to some guys who had like
this this program. They were like, you know, and even like twenty
three and meters does some kind oflike genetic test to see how your body
might respond to certain types of stimulus. Like one person is saying, like

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you're genetically predisposed to like you youneed somebody riding on your ass all the
time to get you to the gym. You need to work towards a goal.
You have to be in a competition, Like that's what your kind of
thing is. So that's the kindof thing that you're going for as well.
Yeah, yeah, And everyone's different, and you know, the level
of patients that you apply to certainpeople is different too, and certain people

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need more patients encouragement, and certainpeople need you to bust their balls every
week. Right. So that's mygoal. And if I find that one
thing is not working, I haveto, you know, continue pulling out
tools and figuring out what's going tomove the needle and practicing that over time
and getting better at that. Youknow, Man, my results just just

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across the board. And I meanthis with humility, Like across the board,
everyone makes progress. And I thinkthat's what separates high level coaches from
normal coaches. And everybody's wondering,you know, what is this coach doing
that. I'm not what you know, what what drugs? What cardio what
food And I hate to say it, everyone's eating chicken and rice. Like,

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everyone's doing mostly the same stuff.The difference is those high level coaches,
they know what makes people tick.They know how to get more out
of that person. So that's whatI've really been focusing on. And man,
like, my people make me lookgood. I'm just so proud of
them. And yeah, man,it's just they present us so well and

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they're excited about their results and whatwe do, and they, you know,
just really have a lot of buyin, and you have to have
buy in if you want to goto the distance. Well, I was
looking at your Instagram and you hadone client. I don't want to get
too person like, give away toomuch personal information about anybody. This was
a guy who was like sixty fiveyears old and he looked like have you
set And then it looked like youhad a really great body transformation. Looked

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like he lost a kind a lotof fatty tissue and built up some muscle.
How do you, how do youhow how can you kind of talk
generally about what you did for thattype of client. Yeah, So that
was my latest post. And sothis guy, he started this journey about
three years ago, he you know, went to the doctor and he's he's

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in the medical field and went tothe doctor and they had that hard talk
about hey, listen, you're you'recoming up on you know, mid sixties.
You know, here's your health markers. Everything's not you know, things
aren't going super well. You needto concentrate on this. And April first,
in twenty twenty, you know,started walking, started slow, didn't

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overdo it, started with what hecould handle, and just kind of scaled
up over time. So we metabout seven months ago and he had already
lost a good amount of weight,and he basically came to us, want
to go to the next level,right, So I was, you know,
really honored that he came to usand he decided to do a bodybuilding

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competition that's I think sixty five,which is like, is that like double
masters? I mean because his mastersis over fifty, right, yeah,
I don't know, four over fortyover forty yeah, And so they have
okay, yeah, I think thirtyfive, and then there's a forty five
and fifty five class. I wantto say, there's sixty five to two.
And there's some different divisions, likedifferent contests have different categories. Like

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then PC that I'm doing this yearis my first contest and the division is
over the age of fifty. Okay, but like other contests and you know
have at fifty five, forty fiveand so on. Yeah, so first
show at fifty congrats, that's awesome. I know. I'm so like,
I'm gonna make a They're all gonnalaugh at me, like Carrie, They're

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gonna screen plug it up, plugit up. Well, it was something
tells me you're used to being onthe spotlight. I'm sure you're gonna be
fine. Yeah, I mean,you know, it's like I like impossible
and ridiculous goals, and this isas about as impossible as ridiculous as it
gets. And you really it's notabout you know, And I tell this.

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I learned this as a young kidstudying music. The goal of studying
music or learning is not to makeyou a professional at that field, but
to enrich your life so you canbe the best you can be at the
field that you do go in.I love that. I love that.
Yeah. And so for Brian whois sixty four, he's sixty four years

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old, and I mean, helooks funny. How do you do in
the contest. So he's competing inSt. Peter Bury in October. So
we got some time and you know, he drops some weight, we're building
them up and we're going to cuthim. I think I think he's got
about four or eight, four tosix weeks something like that, and we're
going to start to cut for ashow. I think we're doing a twenty

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week prep. And yeah, I'mexcited for him. You know, one
hundred percent natural, very very healthy. His testopter own levels are naturally amazing.
I mean they just he turned thissituation around completely and he did that,
you know, by taking control.And that's why I'm really inspired by
him, and I'm proud that he'spart of our team. Is you know,

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I want to encourage other people totake control because when it comes down
to it, we're all just aproduct of our habits and what we do
and the way we think. Right, So you know, if you can
take control of your environment and applythe process, you know, I firmly
believe anyone can do anything that theyreally put their mind to. And I
know that has become like, youknow, just a real hokey thing to

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say, but I truly believe thateverything is just practice and repetition and dedication,
and like you said, it enrichesyour life. So I think,
you know, I'm very proud ofhim, and he's such an integral part
of our team. You know,he didn't have much experience coming in.
He started working out with us atthe gym down in a factory Jim in

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Austin, and you know, justsuch such a quick learner. And you
know, I'm in Nashville now,but I talked to my other coach running
you know, the show in Austin, and Brian's like leading workouts and you
know, teaching other people's stuff,you know. So he's just he's really
taken off and happy to have himon board with him. It's it's important
to have a good gym and goodcommunity, you know. And part of

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the challenge here, like I've noticedin Chicago, is that when you go
to the suburbs, you have alot of options for body good bodybuilding gems
where the equipment is geared towards buildingmuscle. The equipment is maintained, it's
clean, it's new, the peoplewho go to the gym are encouraging,
you know. And then in thecity and the inner city, it's usually

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like a lot of you know,corporate franchise gyms where half of the equipment
is broken. La Fitness I meanthis is like we went to the the
Arnold Expo in Columbus, Ohio,and export is like the discount flavor of
La Fitness, and they spent Idon't know how much they You know,

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Chris Bums charges to do a photoshoot and a public appearance at your gym,
But the irony did not escape methat, you know, the world's
top physique competitor is at a gymposing with leg exercises with leg equipment that
is rusted or literally has a signnext to it that says out of service

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and they have to photoshop the signout of the ad. And I'm just
like, man, where are ourpriorities here? And it's like it almost
feels like you have to move torural America and that there's this weird like
you know, blue state, redstate, inner city suburban dichotomy, the

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division right between when you have accessto the tools that you need to build
muscle. Yeah, I don't.I don't get that at all. Can
you maybe have some insight to that? I think you know, if you
want to go to one of thoserusty gyms. There's a difference between like
being negligent and like you want ahardcore rusty you know, dumb bells,

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go up to two hundred pounds,cobwebs everywhere kind of experience. Like that's
the hardcore gym versus you know,the corporate gym that they just you know,
like you said, don't have theirpriorities, right. But I actually
competed in Chicago. I didn't realizeyou guys were in Chicago. I love
Chicago, man, and I thinkthere's I think there's a good bodybuilding seen

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there because they used to have anational competition there and I think they move
that one to Chattanooga. It's inthe burbs though, I mean, we
have quads in the city. Butit's like most of the you know,
there's a lot of stuff in Wisconsin. And here's an example, Like the
gym's typically in Chicago close at tenor eleven pm. You go up to
Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan, Iowa, all the gym's closed up midnight.

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And so there's this idea of like, you know, and maybe that's just
that people who live in rural communitiesjust have more time or more space market.
You have a theory that when youlive in a crowded space, you
know, our body like a goldfish. You know, you play goldfish in
a bowl, it's not going togrow, but you give it a pond,
it'll get big. And in thecity you're just a little more congested.

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Plus also too, like the gymsare going to be small in the
city because the price of real estateis going up and all your costs,
your costs in the city are areare big more, and so it's easier
to kind of start a gym likeout in the boondocks or in the suburbs.
Yeah, and I also wonder,you know how much of that is
just there's a bunch of you know, corn fed people out in the Midwest

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that just you know, that's that'sthe market there, you know. I
know in Texas, I mean,you know, it's such a great bodybuilding
state, and it's just it's areally great place to nurture bodybuilders. And
no doubt in my mind that's whyTexas is very, very high level when
it comes to bodybuilders. So Ireally think just with anything, man,

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the environment kind of feeds the culture, and the culture kind of feeds the
results. Right, So you know, you have a lot of great bodybuilders
there. New York has some amazingbodybuilders, which you know is the city
as well. But that's that's kindof a that's become like kind of a
hot spot for bodybuilding. I saybecoming. It's it's like old school has

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been around forever. But it's interestingthat the culture is just so different.
I know here in Nashville, itdoesn't seem to be as big. You
know, in Austin, there's somany coaches and there's a lot of amazing
coaches, and everyone's just kind ofbumping elbows, and you know, clients
are kind of you know with thiscoach and that coach, and you know,
I love all those guys. I'msupportive of them. But you come
to Tennessee and there's like there's liketwo bodyboding coaches here that it's accessible.

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I'm like, what do people justnot? What are they doing here?
You know? Austin. I thinkAustin definitely has that culture though, of
of bodybuilding and fitness. I thinka lot of it has to do maybe
with the university there and the sportsprograms and all the people associated with that.
It just it kind of builds thatwhole thing up. And when you
like sit like on a ut Austinbus with somebody from the football team and

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that guy is taking up four seatsand you're like, is it possible for
a human being to be this big? Yeah? And those guys make,
you know, Chris Bumstead look likea ninety eight pound weekling. Like it's
yeah, they're so big, it'sthey're almost you know, they don't look
human. Yeah, there's a lotof big people in Texas. I don't

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I think we just we like toeat and we just I don't know,
like you know, work on ranches. I don't know what it is,
man, but it's it's a lotof big folks. And here in Tennessee,
everyone's like, you know, shreddedand streamlined and like, you know,
it's just a totally different experience.So I'm still kind of learning the
bodybuilding culture here, but I thinkit's growing rapidly, and I think it's

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grown worldwide and nationwide particularly, Soit's a really exciting time to be working
in it. And I know foryou coming up on your first competition,
I mean that's got to be excitingbecause the culture has grown so much.
There's more competition more opportunity for youguys to put your out yourself out there.
So when you're fifty, there's nota lot of competition, but there

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will be, like in ten years. You know it's going to change,
but it is that kind of likea Chicago election. You got to make
sure that your opponent doesn't you know, get disqualified or something. You know,
you know, in some degree,it's like part of the reason that
I am doing it at the ageof fifty is because you know, I
saw other people who are competing andI was like, oh, this is
not so intimidating, you know,right, And you know, as more

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people do bodybuilding, as more peopleare having Instagram influencer accounts, Like somebody
said that as a to me,as an insult what they called you an
influencer. They called me an influencer. I was like, well, you
know, we're all influencing somebody.Sure, it's you know, more and
more people. I think there's onestudy that over the course of a lifetime,

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a third of people who go tothe gym will be using steroids,
performance enhancing substances ssarms, peptides,human growth hormone whatever you know, to
build muscle, and you know,a lot of people don't tell their doctor
because they're worried that the doctor isjust going to like yell at them,

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or they don't tell their loved ones, they don't tell anybody, and a
lot of them, you know,do a lot of harm, sure,
because they're just you know, ina space of immorance. And so when
you bring it out into the sun. And this is what I really appreciate
about bodybuilding culture today is that youngpeople who are using steroids are open and

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talking about it. Sure, Andthere's all these people that are like going
about you know, there's podcasts andblogs and forums and they're all sharing all
this great information. And I knowthat you have you work not just with
natural bodybuilders, but both people whoare you know, enhanced, and I
just kind of wanted to get youon the show to really sort of like

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look, pull a lot of thisinformation apart, and so as you know,
see like if there's any besides youknow, hiring a coach like you
to sort of go in deeper.But at like you know, I guess,
you know, is it possible tobuild muscle at the age of fifty
without using steroids in an effective way? Yeah? I think, And yeah,

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it is. But I posted aboutthis not too long ago on my
Instagram story, And what I've seenover the years is, you know,
the people that just respond so well. You know, we always talk about
like, oh man, this personjust responds so well. But you know,
chances are if you look back atthat person's life, they've probably been
active. They probably were you know, in sports or military, they exerted

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theirself in their whole life. SoI think so much of what you do
when you're younger dictates how well yourespond to the stimulus, and as you
get older, you know, youkind of lose some of that. So
it is more difficult if you were, you know, not very active as
a child and you start working outat fifty. But you know, no
doubt in my mind, like ifyou apply the process, and so much

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of this comes down to effort,you know, and effort is everything,
and you know, working out isone thing, but working out with intention
and high intensity that's a different ballgame. And I think if people apply those
processes, everyone can build muscle.I had a guy I worked with for
a number of years and I thinkhe started he started working out of fifty

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completely inactive, you know, computerguy absolute genius. I mean, the
guy had like twenty patents for software, like just just an amazing wealth of
knowledge. But what I noticed isis he just didn't have much of like
a central nervous system to like exerthimself. It was it was bizarre.

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It was like his mechanics were bad. He didn't learn very quickly. He
had a hell of a time buildingmuscle, and he didn't build muscle over
time. But so much of thatwas breaking down a lot of the things
that he came to believe, like, you know, carbs were bad and
I'm like, man, look yougotta eat carbs. You're never going to
grow unless you eat carbs. Soover time, you know, these people

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start to drop some of those misconceptionsthey used to have and they see progress.
But there's definitely something to it,man, like what you're exposed to
when you're younger, and what youexpose yourself to and your exertion levels,
and that all makes a difference.So I think if you're an active kid,
if you played sports, you know, military guys and girls respond incredibly

(30:21):
well. And I think there's alsoa mental component to that, where people
that play sports, people that arein the military, they know how to
exert theirself. They know how toget uncomfortable, they know how to push
into having painful sets and really pushingtheir body to failure. And I think
at the end of the day,that's going to be the biggest driver that

(30:41):
helps anybody grow muscle, you know, no matter how old you are.
I mean for me, you know, and I'm very comfortable in talking about
this, is like there's a sexualcomponent. You know. The pump makes
your muscles look bigger, sure,and if having bigger muscles is sexually arousing
to you, then getting that pumpand working out, even if it's a

(31:02):
temporary thing, is going to getyou moving in that direction, right.
And for some other people, likethey're not in touch with their bodies at
all in that way, and soit's like speaking a foreign language. So
you know, that's why I'm alwayslike sexualize the process because sex is a
powerful motivator for people. And ifyou know, getting aroused by eating right

(31:26):
and going to bed early and liftingweights is then whatever it takes to get
you changing and moving in that direction, it's going to be good. But
you know, we have a societythat is just geared to keeping people sick
and scared. Sure, And here'san example, like you know, in
terms of like anabolic steroids and whydo we have testosterone replacement therapy clinics,

(31:52):
And it's really tied to the historyof HIV and AIDS in this country.
And so you know, in thenineteen eighties, at the of the AIDS
crisis, sorry, late eighties,early nineties, you had a lot of
bodybuilders with HIV who are not dying, and doctors were like, what are
you doing that's keeping you alive?And They're like, I'm juicing my head

(32:15):
out because I'm going to die andI'm going to leave a beautiful hempse And
they were like, well, let'sgive anovhar. Actually was the first stuff,
and then testosterone came afterwards to peoplewho were at AIDS and these clinics,
and there was the patients responded sowell that a whole industry started bubbling
up in prescribing what was at onepoint in time made illegal anabolic steroids to

(32:39):
people who are not performance enhancing butjust to live. And then as a
consequence of that, trans people transmitalso turned to hormone resplacement therapy to change
their physical appearance. Now this week, the DA the war on drugs is
still rachel even though drugs are winning, passing new rules to make it harder

(33:06):
to get testosterone for people who livein rural areas. So you know,
tsostom has a Schedule three controlled substance. It's non addictive, while estrogen is
not. And so this rule,this new rule that's being proposed, could
have a devastating impact on trans peoplewho take the hormone and bodybuilders and people

(33:27):
with immunocompromised or chronic infections like HIVsure And you know, part of it
is like in this country, it'sjust really, really, really hard to
get the health care that you need. And if you live in an area
of the country where you don't haveaccess to a doctor that understands what anabolic
steroids are and how to use them, then you have to rely on telehealth.

(33:50):
And telehealth had a real boon duringthe COVID pandemic because people couldn't see
their doctors at all. Right,And now with the Biden administration lifting a
lot of those restrictions on COVID,than the da is swooping in because they
want to put people in prison orthey want to make it harder for people
to get the stuff they need,and as a consequence, the policy may

(34:15):
make it more difficult or more expensivefor people to just get to stosterrun in
their hands injecting into their bodies.Right, I think, you know,
I kind of look at this bothways. And when we think about the
DA, their main job is tocontrol drugs and you know, elicited use

(34:37):
of drugs or inappropriate use of drugs. And you know, we've had steroids
for so long and there's amazing applicationfor anabolic steroids and muscle wasting, like
you said, an HIV and musclewasting there and other you know, just
increase in vitality, burn victims,you know, people that are sick that

(34:58):
can't move their body, and youknow, as we lose muscle, you
know, vitality goes down. Ijust think the general strength of your body
to fight infection goes down. AndI think there's so many clinical applications and
that's why a lot of this stuffwas pioneered. And then also you know
breast cancer as well, right,So there's a place for this stuff.

(35:19):
And I think the main role forthe DA is just to make sure that
it's not being inappropriately used for physicenhancement, which I can get behind,
and I can get behind because Ido think I think it's kind of gotten
a little out of hand. Imean, i'll give you an example,

(35:42):
you know, TikTok. I seeseventeen year olds juicing out of their minds,
you know, talking about steroids,have no clue what they're talking about,
and they're posting their pumps and it'sgreat. I'm really glad that young
people are lifting weights. I reallysupport that. But is that an appropriate
age? Is that an appropriate applicationof that? Are they Are they being
responsible? You know, these kidshave a platform and they're you know,

(36:06):
they're teaching other kids this stuff.And I think that's where it gets a
little bit muddy, and I thinkthat there is some room to maybe tighten
some of this stuff up. AndTRT clinics have it's kind of the Wild
West, man. I mean,I know TR and T clinics giving drugs
out that, you know, intotally irresponsible ways if you ask me,

(36:28):
and it's a money you know,it's a it's a money driver, right.
So I do think on one end, the DA is acting, you
know, for better or worse,for the interest of people to more safely
use this. On the other end, you have people that and you guys
are probably aware of this, likehypogonadism is an epidemic, like people men

(36:51):
and women across the boarder experiencing lowtestosterone, right, And what we have
to understand about lo tustosterone it's it'syou know, in line with blood pressure.
I mean, it's it's a it'sa metric for all calls mortality.
Right, We're you know, seeingmore cardiac issues related to low testosterolone,

(37:12):
not to mention decrease vitality. Andthere's plenty of research to show that these
guys and girls that are supplementing thisat least to a physiologically normal level,
are living longer, happier, betterquality of life. And you know,
I have to ask myself, likeis that really do we really need to
go in the office to look atblood work and talk about our symptoms to

(37:36):
decide if someone needs TRT? Imean, what's going to change from somebody
going to an office versus a telemedicinecall. It just does just the vibe
I get is, you know,instead of giving people access to healthcare so
they can work, I'm getting TRTwith a doctor and they can transition or
they can get vitality or address youknow, low from levels. And this

(38:00):
is not just for men, andnot just for trans people, not just
for seniors and juice heads. Thisis also for women. Women get prescribed
to stosterone when especially when they're postamount apuzzle and they're saying that's basically like
a little mix of estrogen and tostone and something else like progester and or
something. And it's for the womenthat I've talked to, it transforms their

(38:23):
lives because one they lose interest insex, and all of a sudden,
they're like, what's fuck, youknow, and it's like, it's about
the quality of life. And sohere we are sort of going, you
know, And this is like aforce in the United States that I'd like
to counteract, which is people loveto punish, people love to do things

(38:46):
based on fear, and they don'tlike to find solutions and help others.
And that's why I think I'm veryattracted to bodybuilding and trainers in the mindset
is because you're not trying to punishyour clients, You're trying to motivate them
and help them. Sure, andif the government and if we all had

(39:06):
the mindset of a coach, ofa good coach, the world would be
so much a better place. Howcan we help other people? How can
we reduce harm to them? Well, I think the solution of most modern
problems is education across the board,poverty, money management, credit, how

(39:29):
to pay your taxes, which nobodyeven tells us how to do that,
right, So there's just such alack of education. And I think when
it comes down to it, ifpeople want to use these pds, they're
probably going to find a way.And if they don't have that knowledge to
back that them, they're probably goingto do it irresponsibly, or they're going
to do it. You know,they may not mean to do it irresponsibly,

(39:52):
but they may just not know.And I think it's extremely important for
me as a coach to educate peoplebefore even get into that world. Like
you may not even need to getinto this world, and most of my
people don't. But are we experiencingwhat are we experiencing? Are you having
some hypogonadal symptoms? If so,here's some options. Maybe we start supplementation,

(40:14):
maybe we go to peptide therapy,maybe we go straight to your tee.
But's it's a delicate thing. Asa coach, because as a coach,
you don't you just don't want topush a bunch of drugs on people.
At least I don't because you know, there's liability associated and I got
to sleep at night. Right.So, in the scope of what I
do and having to have integrity andwhat I do and feel good about what

(40:37):
I do helping people, my mainjob is an educator, and I need
to educate not only my clients,but anybody out there that doesn't know because
there needs to be more information.People need to know what this stuff is
and if they decide to use it, how to use it safely, how
to use it under the advice ofa physician, you know, hopefully,

(41:00):
and that's not you know, judgingyou for these decisions, someone that's actually
helpful and trying to, you know, put you in a position to do
things as responsible as possible. Solook, if your doctor is judging you,
find another doctor the doctor. Yeah. And if your coach is judging
you that way, if you feelfind another coach, you know. Yeah,

(41:21):
yeah, I think I think doctors, you know, they need to
kind of step their game up witheducating. And you know, we can
talk for days on how the healthcareis in this country is coming up short.
But I think the more information wecan get out the better, because
you know, I used to lookat guys and putting out information. I'm
like, man, that's just wrong, Like I know that's not true.

(41:45):
Like, so I took it uponmyself. If there's going to be you
know, ten guys out there notputting out good information, it's my responsibility.
If I know something through the researchthat I need to put it out
there. So that's kind of beenthe a big driver of my business,
and I've been really fortunate because peoplehave kind of lashed onto that, like
I'm uncovering I think a lot ofmystery for a lot of people. And

(42:09):
you know, you also got toknow what you're talking about, which is
I think people need to do alittle more research before they just start putting
stuff out out there. But Ilove talking about this stuff. And to
me, it's like part of itis that there is a like a witchcraft
aspect to this, Like you're readingsomebody and they're like, I'm taking beetroot

(42:30):
powder to lower my blood pressure,right right. That's Wesley Vissers is a
big proponent of that. Sure,what do you think about beatproot prowder as
a way to lower your blood pressure. Is there any truth to that?
Because bodybuilders love beats. They lovetheir beats. I cannot That's the one

(42:51):
food I cannot stand, not evenbeat juice. No, No, it's
it's just it tastes like it tasteslike dirt. I don't get it like
that. But they say it's goodfor endurance too, it's just general body
welfare. Well, my understanding isis boxers have been using that stuff for
a long time, and I actuallyhave used it for a good, good

(43:12):
little while. And I think themain mechanism here is beats, along with
some other red fruits, tend toincrease nitric oxide in the blood. And
we know like that is a contributorto a pump that is a contributor to
some orgogenic or like endurance as well. So you know, if there's a
natural way to do that, Ithink that's great. That's not when I

(43:37):
dove into the research about enough tobe like, hey, I know research
is one hundred percent on this,but I think it's got a pretty good
track record. So you know,I mean there's plenty of things that help
out and I think supplementation is agood place to start, and TRT and
getting into the drug realm, youknow, kicked down the road a little

(44:00):
while. You know, let's dowhat's legal first, Let's do what's you
know, probably healthy first, andthen you can always look at that stuff
later. What are some recommendations whenyou see when you have a client who
says, you know, I likejuicing, I'm I'm going to juice,
the juice is loose, my bloodpressure is high. You know. I

(44:22):
always tell people, hey, getto your doctor if you can get the
sartin or some sure, but interms of like you know, the Whole
Foods route, the Amazon vitamin shop, what are some things you recommend they
look into or try. Yeah,I have a lot of clients like this.

(44:44):
You know. They come to meand they're on seven hundred and fifty
milligrams a test and five hundred milligramsa trend and I'm like, are you
actively competing? Like like what areyou doing? And they're just like blindly
taking loads of gear. So Iknow that as a coach, their risk
factor is going to be a lothigher, or their risk tolerance is going

(45:05):
to be higher. So probably nota great thing would be to take them
off of a bunch of drugs,and they're not going to trust me.
So my goal with a client likethat is like, let's get you in
with a doc. Let's get yourlevels down to t r T. Where
can you manage? What can weput in that's going to lower your risk
factor but also bring similar results?And yeah, I mean some sometimes natural

(45:29):
supplementation will move the needle a littlebit, but definitely the Sartaint group for
blood pressure. And I was born, you know, congenital heart or congenital
blood pressure issues, my dad,you know, all the men in my
family. So for me, Ihave to be very careful. And that's

(45:49):
why you know, I can't gettoo big. I'm afraid of what is
going to do to my heart.So tell them A Sartan is one I
used for probably about two years.And that's a that's a huge tool that
I use in many, many casesto lower the risk factor for anyone that
wants to use this stuff, becauseyou know, there's so much good research
not only about you know, notonly for blood pressure, but you know

(46:14):
you can use that to decrease bloodvolume, which is going to be a
driver of blood pressure. You know, keep off inflammation, excess water,
excrete, sodium better. You know, there's also some a general like lean
leaner state. It's the kind ofdrive some fat loss too. And you
know, the risk factor for thatdrug is so low. So that's a

(46:37):
tool I often get people to asktheir doctor about because I truly definitely believe
that I'm glad that you guys areusing that and people are people are talking
about that one, and you know, there's a lot of guys that are
pushing for the sartans. And uh, I took a took an arb.
Uh see ARBs are the sartants.I took how to beta blocker. I

(47:01):
can't remember what the other one is, but angioe SADIN receptor blockers, Yes,
have it written down, so that'swhy they work on similar mechanisms.
But but I'm glad that people aretaking this for you know, precautionary measures
or you know, to keep goodhealth while they're doing things to push their

(47:23):
physique. So I always tell people, listen, if you're going to be
juicing, get yourself a blood pressuremonitor, cuff, and the minute that
number starts getting looking scary, youknow, cut it out, reduce it,
talk to your doctor because you know, that's a that's a that's really
like when we talk about the damagethat anabolic steroids do, it's really blood

(47:45):
pressure and that's a consequence. Likeanybody that I've ever known personally that's had
been hospitalized, it's because they damagetheir kidneys from high blood pressure. You
know, some of these young guys, like the TikTok crowd, they're they're
juicing, they look great, andwhat do they do. They got hit
the clubs and drink a bottle ofrum, you know. And I mean

(48:08):
we saw this one guy. Hewas like always jacked and he was always
drunk at the beach and sure enough, like a couple of years later,
he needed to get his kidneys replaced. So the blood pressure is like and
you know, avoid alcohol, likewhether you're juicing or not. It's like
all the bodybuilders out there, likethey're like a smoke crack over over drinking

(48:34):
a shop. It's a killer,it's a games killer. Yeah. Alcohol
is like probably the worst thing youcan take. And there's now and you
know, the alcohol industry is reallyfighting this really hard. There's talk about
putting warning labels on booze the waythey've done with cigarettes. Yeah, yeah,
I think it's it's probably the worst, one of the worst things that

(48:57):
you can do for your body,and it's it's such a sick irony because
you know, you work out sohard to look good, and then what
are you going to do with yourbody? You want to go to the
beach, you want to go tothe club, you want to drink,
you want to hang out with,you know, sex, the same sex,
whoever you're interested in. Like,what's the point looking good if you
can't party, right, So there'salways kind of that, But yeah,

(49:20):
it's just it's just not good reallyfor anybody. And you know, I've
spent my years in college, youknow, drinking like a fish, and
as I've gotten older, it's justI don't know, I think I used
it in the past to kind ofescape my reality or distract myself from the
reality that I didn't really like.And as I've built a job I like,

(49:45):
you know, wife, I lovea life that I really like,
there's there's really no reason to escape, right, So my alcohol consumption is
just it's not as attractive to me. So yeah, definitely, you know,
strain the kidney, straining the liver, and there's already very liver toxic
antabolic steroids out there, you know. You know, windstraws is one that's
just used like like crazy, andwinstraw is probably one of the more damaging

(50:08):
drugs out there. It's just becauseit raises athol cholesterol. Yeah, it
destroys celesterol h yeah, and itdestroys HDL, and most antabolics do that.
It speeds up to the degradation ofHDL. So yeah, that's that's
definitely something to consider and when usingantabolics, I would say the biggest thing

(50:32):
that's at risk is the heart.You know, hypertrophy of the heart,
blood cells, thickening of the blood, and that's all going to drive blood
pressure. And you know, ifyou're walking around two hundred and eighty pounds,
you know your your heart's already workingover time to feed blood to all
that muscle. You know. Soit's kind of a perfect storm, you

(50:52):
know, being big, being muscularusing these drugs. And that's why unfortunately,
you know, we're seeing so manyamazing you know, not only bodybuilders,
but people just dropping dead at youngages. And as as bad as
that is, I think that itis starting to wake a lot of our

(51:14):
community up. And I think we'restarting to have those conversations and you're starting
to have the people in the industrythat that are trying to keep people safe.
And I was very fortunate. Igot to work with John Jewett,
who's really spearheading safer use and usingVictor Blacks safer use models with drugs,

(51:35):
and I got to mentor and coachunder him, or not coach under him,
but he coached me. And Ijust learned so much, man,
and I learned just healthier ways todo things. And I also learned,
you know, it doesn't take alot of drugs. It doesn't take you
know, beating your body up.You have to be smart, you have
to be healthy, and you reallyjust got to you got to work hard.
That's really what it comes down to. Yeah, poly systhamia, this

(51:59):
is true for especially for trans peoplewho are a long lifelong to software and
replacement therapy. Too many red bloodcells, your blood gets thick and uh,
you know, unfortunately, when you'regoing to a blood donation clinic,
if you are going to donate blood, you have to lie to basically say

(52:19):
you're like, I'm a Christian,white male who doesn't do anything, never
had sex in my life. Neverhad sex with a I'm a priest,
and you know, not lee priest, and you know, but a lot
of good doctors clinics. And thisis why, you know the irony of
living in an urban environment where youhave less access to bodybuilding gyms. However

(52:45):
you have more access to really gooddoctors. A phlebotomy, which is removing
blood. You could do this.Some doctor clinics do it every other month.
I got a leader taken out oneday. Leader. Back when I
used to donate blood, you know, they would take a little they take
a pint out right. It wasn'ttoo much. Maybe it was even a
little bit more than pint. I'mnot sure, but like to milk carton

(53:06):
Leader, it was a lot.And it took a good forty five minutes
to fill up that bag. Igot to tell you, though I didn't
I lost a little color in myface, but I was a little tired
that day. But I feel likeit was better in the long run.
Well, the old days, thewas it a barber. The reason that
the barber stripes as a red polewould do blood letting, they would because

(53:29):
it was healthy. And we gotaway from that. Now you just go
get your perm and lowers the bloodpressure. Yeah, so that's probably the
reason why they did that. AndI think it also can lower body temperature
as well. But it reduces inflammationtoo. That's interesting. Yeah, yeah,
maybe you should just bring bring backleeches and some people, you know

(53:51):
what, some people use leeches forit. Like there's been people that have,
like, you know, I've seena couple of news articles about people
who've gotten like black eyes, likethe weak for their wedding, or a
few days before their wedding, oreven like the day before, and so
they'll go to the bait and tackleshop, get a leech, stick it
on there, and the leech willlike suck will suck it out. But
also it produces it sticks a chemicalin there, so it doesn't the blood

(54:15):
doesn't coagulate, and so it alsohelps like remove that and so you know,
you can get a lot of thatkind of swelling down from the leeches
sucking the blood out. I'm curiouswho has black eyes before the like who's
oh, you know people you knowthey went to the roadhouse you lived in
Texas. You know how these thingsgo down over a movie? Come on,

(54:39):
yeah, one week before the wedding. Just yeah, the bachelor party.
The Bachelor Las Vegas is an industry, and you know this is the
thing too, is a lot ofthose anti aging clinics too. They'll give
you like a pint of a salinesolution with stuff in it to basically detox
you from time to time. Well, also like for hangover, because you

(55:00):
know, when you drink too much, your brain basically shrinks a little bit
right at the back of the brainstem gets dehydrated, and so this is
the way of getting the hydration backinto your system. One thing that I
found out this past year that iswe're actually starting a podcast about this is
walking is magical. It's a spiritualpractice. It reduces inflammation, it heals

(55:24):
joint issues, like lubricates your joints. Yeah, stretches your muscles. Tyler,
your a big proponent on walking asa practice. Can you talk a
lot about that. I love hearingpeople talking about walking. Yeah, And
I implement this, you know,pretty much in everyone's plan. And I
think if we really think about it, we're meant to walk. That's how

(55:45):
we evolve. You know, walkingyou know, very very long distances,
and you know it's just not goodfor the body to sit and like just
get stagnant, right, So youknow, with walking, it's it's one
of the best cardio ways to getcardios, just getting steps because you know,
it doesn't fatigue you. You know, even if you're doing steady state,

(56:07):
that's going to add fatigue. Andsometimes we need to reduce fatigue if
we're gonna give it all in thegym, right, So that's always kind
of first step. Let's get somewalking practices in not to mention, you
know, keeping the fluids moving,like lymphatic drainage, you know, keeping
blood flow good. It's fantastic forblood sugar, regulating blood sugar, especially

(56:30):
after meals. Yeah, just Ithink it's such a great natural healer,
and you know, unfortunately we justdon't do a lot of it. So
definitely a big part of my programming. And there's also steady state cardio and
very rare cases maybe some hit butI don't use that one very often,
but you use the muscle to hitit. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

(56:57):
If you search like podcasts and walking, like half of them are like getting
closer to God through walking and aspiritual practice of walking. And so there's
this whole sect of you know,Buddhism and Christianity and New Age religions and
Old Age religions of associated walking witha type of prayer and meditation because it

(57:22):
you know, and this is oneyou know, harm reduction for anabolic steroids
is the mental impact sure that theanabolic steroids do is that it increases stress
hormones in your body. It turnsoff your flight or flight response, so
you're more likely to get into aargument with somebody that you normally wouldn't argue
with. And so walking in termsof harm reduction is a really powerful tool

(57:47):
just to bring in mental wellness intoyour life. Yeah, I could see
that. I've never thought about themental implications. You know, it's one
of those like rare, you know, you don't think about it as cardio,
but it's like because it's not fatiguing, but that's that's kind of the
point. It's it's almost anti fatiguing, right, So increased activity anti fatigue.

(58:08):
I mean, that's fantastic for bodybuilding. And there's definitely I could definitely
see a mental implication and spiritual youknow, I haven't had a you know,
closer to God moment walking I don'tbelieve, but I don't know.
Maybe maybe if I walk fifty milesa day. Maybe I would, I

(58:29):
don't know. I was listening toPatty LaBelle, who's a gospel singer and
a pop star, and she doesa podcast with Apple Podcasts on walking,
and she talked about the day shefound out that she had diabetes. And
she's walking in nature and you canhear the birds chirping and background, and
she says like it was a veryspiritual moment for her. And she's talking

(58:52):
about this like, you know,when we really talk about spirituality and faith
and religion all that stuff, we'rereally talking about like what is the purpose
of our lives? What is thehow do we make sense of death?
How do we find connection to eachother? And here she's like talking about
all these things in a really beautifulway as she's actually doing it. Sure,

(59:15):
and I love the idea of,you know, like going to the
Like there are some I don't knowif you're familiar with the eighties, the
powerlifters. They were religious Jesus fundamentalistguys who are powerlifting for Jesus, and
so they would get on stage andthey're like, I want to lift,
you know, have five hundred pounds, you know, God bless blah blah

(59:38):
blah, and they're like, ah, lifting all this stuff. And part
of it is there's like, youknow, action can be a powerful tool
to finding connection, to finding purpose. And that's why like people, you
know, they say that going tothe gym is the temple. You know,
the gym gives a lot of peoplesaw us and clarity. And again

(59:59):
this is something that sounds, youknow, hokey, but the physical body
and the mental body and the spiritualbody are all connected and and I think
you know, when all those thingsare balanced, when they're well balanced,
you know, that's that's a sweetspot. That's when you know you have
more of a spiritual mental, physicalhealth and extremely important and you know,

(01:00:20):
I love to push my body.It's just I don't know what it is.
Man. If I wasn't bodybuilding,you know, i'd be I'd be
doing something. I wouldn't be runningmarathons because I think that's just dumb for
me. I never want to dothat, but I get people do it.
Yeah, doing doing something adventurous andpushing my body because there's just you
know, there's so much peace init, and there's so much confidence to
be built through that, you know, and what's a life without challenge.

(01:00:45):
And that's the way I look atit, Like, I think we're all
on this planet to challenge ourselves andpush ourselves and and and create a better
version of ourselves. And I thinkthat can be done, you know,
in the gym. It can alsobe done in the church of your choice,
or through meditation and mental practice.And I think all that's important.

(01:01:06):
And you know, I'm happy togo, you know, bust my legs
up for three hours. But youknow, it's really challenging for me to
sit there and meditate for ten minutes. But I know the benefits of it,
so I you know, I'll twistmy arm long enough to you know,
maybe do five minutes. But anyway, five minutes makes a difference.
But well, if meditation is notyour thing, you know, walking can

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be meditation. Yeah, that's true, that's true. I do. I
do like walking, but I don'tI don't have a lot of time to
walk thirty miles or however long ittakes to to meet God. I'm not
really sure. But even a littlebit helps, you know, Like,
even if like and this is happeningat work, I'm convincing all my people
that I work with during their lunchbreak. You know, you have an

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hour for lunch. You're not goingto spend the whole hour eating. Spend
ten minutes of your lunch just youknow, walking around indoor or outdoors wherever
you feel comfortable and safe and andjust don't don't bring your phone. Yeah,
yeah, disconnect or reconnect really iswhat you're doing. Reconnect to your
surroundings. I know you're competing.If have you started prepping? If so,

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is are you doing a lot ofwalking and tracking your steps. I've
always been tracking my steps. Ihad a foot injury because I got a
new shoes, and uh so thewalking and I'll tell you what, you
know, not being able to walkfor two weeks, it definitely impacted my
mental and physical health. And youknow, I see I weigh myself every

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day and I see that the poundsgoing up. You know. So now
that I'm back on track, it'slike it's you know, walking, it's
to me, I'm like almost it'sit's that that fifth element. You know,
the fifth element is love. Butit's that fifth element of bodybuilding or
fitness that we really don't consider toooften, is that it's not even I

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don't even describe walking as cardio.It's almost like it's it's reconnecting, sure,
yeah, kind of that mental mentalunplugging, that mental refresh. Yeah,
and I've definitely experienced a lot ofthat. I used to live on
Sixth Street in Austin and you knowwalking part. Yeah right, Well I

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lived on the hipster side on theeast side of Sixth Street, yeah,
which has become the tech pro sidenow. But anyway, but yeah,
part of my whole process was twowalks or one walk in the morning,
one in the evening. And yeah, there's just something about starting your day
with a you know, one milewalk, nothing crazy and just kind of,

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you know, leave the phone behind, connect with your surroundings. And
this is the noisy city too,so you know, I'm sure nature is
even more calming. But man,I've never felt better. And I think
that's probably why people are like runningtoo. And I hate the physical activity
of running, it's it's painful,buys it. But the mental, like

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the mental things that you get fromrunning is like it's amazing. Man.
It's like you get that runners high. You just did. You feel good,
You feel like you can conquer theworld. You have so much confidence,
you feel clean you feel like,you know, it's almost like a
spiritual cleaning as well. Out ofexperience too. So but yeah, running

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is a lot more fatiguing, especiallywhen you're you know, a big,
big chunk run into the city.So I can't make it that far.
But but that is like people say, you walk in, you know,
two dred and forty pounds walking downon sixth Street. It's like people could
be like, who is that?You know? Yeah, yeah, And
I don't even I'm not, likeI said, I'm not a huge guy.

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I can imagine, like, youknow, like like the looks J
Cutler gets, like the judgment,like the big guys get, like they
just stand out so much it's crazy, and I don't I don't know if
I envy it. You know,it's like sometimes I want to blend it.
You know, Oh, I knowwhat you're saying. It's like,
you know, this is the weirdestthing is like the more muscle I build

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I get. You know, I'marea attuned to attention from men because I'm
gay, But it's like I startednoticing that women hit on me and even
like bisexual women, and I wasjust like, I don't even know what
the hell is going on. I'mlike my cat like a dog looking at
the TV set, you know,I'm like, is this people like?

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And and there's this one girl thatI see on a uh you know,
at work and outside, and she'salways grabbing my biceps and stuff. And
I'm like and then and later Ifound out that she was she was mostly
into women. Okay. And youknow this is like the muscle. You
know, White people put themselves indanger and harm's way is because they're getting
validation about their bodies. And we'resuch a body negative society and culture that

(01:05:54):
when we can like find things thatare going to like validate us as human
beings, even it's completely like thewarning sign is saying, don't do this,
it's going to harm you. Youknow, I can't understand why an
eighteen year old is going to beordering you know, a little testosterone and
deckard and train and I mean,to me, I'm almost like amazed that

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somebody who's eighteen years old is livingwith their parents is able to cut the
stuff and like hide it from them. You know, yeah, where do
they get the money? I don'tlike, drugs are expensive, man,
Well the parents give them money.And you know with Venmo and PayPal and
cash app and all that stuff.It's like, you know, they're pretty
resourceful. Young people today are sotech savvy and resourceful. It's amazing.

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Oh yeah, it is very amazing. I'm very very impressed with that generation.
And by that genimate ration, Imean anyone that's remotely younger than me.
They're they're extremely resourceful, and they'reso big, even the guys who
are natty. It's like, Imean, because I know a lot of
the guys at my gym, andI'm just like, like, how is

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this Like when I was eighteen yearsold, no one was lifting weights.
You know, it's amazing, andI'm really excited, Like you know,
and I think the younger generation isalways going to kind of irk you and
like annoy you, and you know, I get a little tired of seeing
all the tripods. But at thesame time, I'm really happy that so

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many people are, like young peopleare getting into fitness and also women too,
Like this is something that you know, weightlifting wasn't a thing, you
know, as much when I wasgrowing up, and it definitely wasn't a
thing for women. And I think, you know, it's maybe because of
Instagram it's becoming like you know,putting people's face and they're starting to understand
it and learn about it. Andthere's no doubt in my mind, like

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anyone younger than me, that thatgeneration gen Z, whatever you want to
call them, like that is thegreatest bodybuilding generation in the making as we
speak. These kids are insane,and I have a couple of them that
are like I've coached a teenager acouple of years ago, and I mean,
this kid was incredible. You know, a lot of my guys are

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like twenty twenty one, twenty two, and they're just freaks, even natural
they're just freaks, man. Soit's really exciting to see, you know,
younger generations getting on board with this. And you know, I do
think it's a healthy practice for themost part, and I'm excited to see
what bodybuilding is going to become.And I think we're we're much closer to

(01:08:30):
bodybuilding being you know, on ABCSports or in the Olympics, like we're
I think we're getting close to wherepeople are understanding and accepting it and it's
not this freak weird thing. Andthat's great for coaches for me because job
security and I get to continue doingwhat I love. But it's also it's
good for the industry. But it'salso I think it's good for kids.

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I think it you know, it'sgreat for building confidence, it's great for
you know, and there's negative sidestoo, but you know, I'm just
really thrilled that it's it's just morecommon these days. You know, is
really beautiful to see somebody who's like, you know, posing in such an
advanced level that it almost you know, everybody talks about bodybuilding as a sport,

(01:09:15):
but I'm like, it's as muchas sport as it is an art
form. And some of these posersare like amazing dancers, and I'm just
like, you know, my friendCarter Kissick up in Canada, he's an
extraordinary poser, and I'm like,please continue doing these videos. And you
know, thank God that we havethe social media for people to express themselves

(01:09:39):
creatively with their bodies and to showcasethat and not just be like this is
for sex, to get my dicksucked or whatever, but you know,
it's it's to really get connected withthe universe around us. Yeah, I
think it's a very positive mode ofself expression, and you know, it's

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it's still it's macho, it's beautiful, it's you know, and I love
the art form of it. AndI consider it a sport because you know,
bodybuilding takes practice, you know,the way that you lift, the
intention, the execution, the intensity. That stuff takes practice. It's not
just moved from point A to pointB. And I think it's such a
unique sport. And you know,the good guy the guys that are really

(01:10:24):
good at it, like have amazingbody awareness, Like they are like dancers,
they are like, you know,high level, high level athletes.
So there's there's a huge athletic componentthat a lot of people don't realize.
They just think, you know,people are just dumb, dumb blocks of
meat, you know. But there'sthere's a lot more depth to it,
and there's a lot more depth tobodybuilders, and I'm glad that I think

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as a culture, we're starting toopen up to it more. You know.
I've had phone calls consultations with withlike kids, parents, and they're
like, he's starting to bodybuild.I'm really excited. I want to support
him, I want to pay forcoaching, I want you to help him.
And I'm like, this is likeI didn't know this was a thing.
Like you know, even parents areexcited to like support their kids doing

(01:11:08):
this stuff. So hey, I'mreally excited about the future. And you'd
be like, well, if yourson come outs at gay, this is
how you Yeah, I had nothingto do with that. Okay, he
was born that way. He's staringat other men's bodies and he's not gay.
But this is interesting. You're like, you know, like I know

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so many guys who are heterosexual chasinggirls, and at the same time they're
like, oh if I only hadyou know, uh, Chris bum says,
but there was a line at theArnold Expo to meet Chris Bumstead that
was three hours long, and itwas every personal walk of life. And
it wasn't cheap. It was likeone hundred bucks. Okay, it was

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crazy. And you know when youmeet Chris bum said, it's like,
thank you very much, here's thepoto, Okay, thanks, have a
good day by it like it's fourseconds. Yeah, and everybody's trying to
out angle Chris bump said. Youknow, yeah, just just don't just
don't do that. It's a tradition. Yeah, if you meet your heroes

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and they're bigger than you, youhave to out angle them. That's how
it works, Yes, the illusion. Yeah last, but not at least
Tyler a hair loss for a lotof guys as they get older, you
know, or they're juicing, Uh, the hair starts go because the hormones
get whack a doodle. Finasterid nyserlmonoxidil Mark turned discovered something about micro need

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People are micro needling their their scalpsnow, like what people have been doing
their face for a while now.And what that does is it kind of
if you use the right kind ofcerums, you can deliver that serum into
your skin. But also it's knownfor building up the collagen levels underneath the
level of your skin, and soI think they're finding some results with that

(01:13:01):
for hair loss as well. SoI think if you have a good skin
foundation, it's going to hold outof the hair that you do have.
Yeah, it's definitely something I've sufferedfrom, some thinning, some crowning.
And you know, I look atmy brother, you know, never done
steroids that you know, he doesn'tbodybuilt. You know, he's suffering.

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And a lot of my ment,the men and my family have suffered and
yeah, man, it's it's it'skind of it. For me, it's
been a little bit difficult to dealwith. You know. It's it's like,
man, you know, if youreally identified with your hair, like
sorry, you know you got musclesnow, but now you're bald. But
uh, I think for me overover the you know, as I started

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noticing that, I'm just not reallyattached to it. I don't really care.
I mean, number one, I'mmarried, so like you know,
number two, my best friend's baldand he's not jacked, and he gets
more women than anybody I've ever seen, and I don't understand it. So
like I think, like, dude, you're ugly, You're so hideous.
Why are you getting all this?I just I don't think women care about

(01:14:08):
I look so much. No,they you guys are more oriented on your
parents than But a hot guy that'sbald is still going to be hot,
you know what I mean. Butsome people, you know, are attractive
with hair, and then they losetheir hair and you're like, oh,
they don't look so good. Butother people it doesn't matter. So it
all kind of depends on what youwhat you have going on there. But
you know, some of that,it's like you say, from these chemicals

(01:14:29):
but a lot of it is areyou eating right or do you have the
right nutrients? Is your thyroid incheck? You know, especially for a
lot of women, they experience hairloss because of their thyroid's gotten out of
whack. And I've heard that somepeople like to kelp as a supplement and
it helps their thyroid be healthier.Has right, it's bioavailable, and then

(01:14:51):
people get stressed out and they losetheir hair. So you know, it's
it's like multifaceted, and that's backto walking, you know. Yeah,
it is kind of you know,and in terms of sexual dysfunction and getting
older, uh, talk to yourdoctor and you know, get looking.
See I feel like with viagrant,say alice and all that stuff. And

(01:15:14):
you know, if you're on hormonesand you're hornier, uh, you tend
to take more risks because your fightor flight is turned off. Sure.
Sure, And so I tell everybodywhether gear straight, get on prep,
get on truevada, because you know, HIV is no picnic. It's a
gains killer. It's a gains killer. And don't you know you can prevent

(01:15:34):
HIV and you can prevent you knowa lot of this stuff just by talking
to a doctor, having a gooddoctor. Yeah, and I think prep's
so widely available. I think it'smore you know, continuing to get the
word out and and you know,hi, HIV used to be you know,
incredibly devastating, and you know itstill is, but I think there's

(01:15:57):
been a lot of medicine and practicepioneer to take a lot of the scariness
out of it and have you know, number one, we can avoid it,
and number two, you know,it's something you acquire and you have
but you you know, you keepon living and you work around it.
And I have a little bit ofexperience with clients with that, and you

(01:16:17):
know, it's it's it's heartbreaking,you know when they find that out.
But I think we've come so farand being able to control it and live
with it, and that's that's exciting. Yeah, I'm really happy that you
know, we're moving the needle onthat and it's it's not a death wish
like it used to be. Wellnow you can, just like birth control,

(01:16:38):
you can get it injected into yourbody and it lasts how long it
mark, I'm not sure it's likea month or so or or some period
of time. So because a lotof problems that people forget to take the
pills right right, just like birthcontrol. Yeah, oh honey, I
I misplaced the birth control pill andnow I'm laid on my period. Yeah,

(01:17:02):
and you're like, no, yeah, yeah, I forget to take
my vitamins and prescriptions too. Soany way to make it easier is definitely
a step in the right direction.So that's and the last, but not
least, the golden vitamin who's apro hormone is vitamin D. And I'm
not talking about DIX, but thesunshine and the pill. Yeah, I

(01:17:29):
mean, so many people can benefitjust by getting their vitamin D levels measured
or a little bit of vitamin Dsupplementation. Some people are big fans of
six thousand I use a day.Yeah, yeah, it's a little high.
You know, what about you?What are you? What are your
thoughts on the D, the D, the big D. So yeah,
big vitamin D. It's it's it'sjust all of my clients take it.

(01:17:53):
It's it's a no brainer. It'sit's you know, whether you're optimal or
not, let's cover our basis andthat maybe two thousand I use it,
maybe as high as five thousand.You know, a lot of times the
race will dictate that because we know, you know, darker skin tense to
not absorbit quite as well. Lighterskin people don't need as much sun.

(01:18:14):
And I think just like low testosteroneis an epidemic, I mean, low
low vitamin D is much more common. And I'm seeing that on blood work.
You know, we're just not gettingoutside men, and you know we're
so removed from our natural environment,and it's just an easy thing to just
put in, just cover your bases. Hey, multi vitamin, vitamin D

(01:18:35):
D. You know, here's acouple other things. Let's make sure we're
of good health. Right. SoI think it's a no brainer for pretty
much anybody. I mean, evenif you get a lot of sun.
You know, why not. It'scheap, you know, it's it's easy.
Why not. I know it's along, intimidating, but take a
deep breath and swallow the D.Yeah. It's a small field though,

(01:18:59):
so you'll be all right about whatfive thousand six I use, six thousand
I use a day. They comein two thousand IU increments usually, and
so three of those pills. Butother people think that's too much. Some
people have the thought about k withdu to the K helps to prevent I

(01:19:20):
guess some build up of the badcholesterol in your arteries. And if you're
eating a lot of green leafy vegetables, you should be getting plenty of K.
So if you're eating your broccoli,if you're eating your spinach, you
should be all right. I knowsome people who would literally look at vegetables
and they're like never, never.Yeah, I don't get that. We
don't look at it for too longbecause they're not you know, it's hard

(01:19:41):
to survive without eating vegetables. Oh, Tyler, well, I have you
on the phone. So natural bodybuilderAaron Curtis says that not enough people,
especially natural bodybuilders, eat enough protein. Sure, and he says, some
people can you know, like onehundred and eighty pound person can easily do
three hundred four hundred grams of proteina day, more than double their body

(01:20:04):
weight and pounds into grams. What'syour thoughts on that. I think this
is one of those great examples ofthe research not lining up with the anecdote,
because there's just we're limited on bodybuildingdata and anyone you talk to who
is going to say one gram ofpound is more than you need. I

(01:20:25):
generally adhere to that. You know, all of my guys and girls are
going to eat one gram per pound. I usually overshoot that, maybe one
ten to you know, protein's goodfor a lot of things, satiety specifically
guys that do are doing t rT or they decide to take anabolics responsibly.

(01:20:46):
Of course, you know, Ithink the protein synthesis rate. You
know, that's such a powerful hormonalsignal that's going to drive a much faster
protein synthesis. Right. I don'tforesee one gram per pound optimizing either the
putting tissue on or keeping tissue onat one grand per pound, So that's

(01:21:08):
a situation I'll usually shoot. Youknow, sometimes it's high as one point
five, as far as two tothree times. I don't know, I
don't I'd have to look at thatresearch. I know a lot of guys
in the industry swear by it.I could see, you know, I
could possibly see a case for it. I do know. Protein is it's
you know, such a magic macronutrient, not only for body composition but for

(01:21:30):
dieting, not only because of satiety. But you know, it's pretty tough
for our body to break down.So you know, every four grams or
every four calories program is you know, eighty percent of that is just you
know, or you're going to losetwenty percent by just your body heating up
and processing it and breaking it down. So it's just a great way to

(01:21:51):
keep food volume high. And Ithink I started to prep about five weeks
ago, and I think I'm outabout two hundred and twenty pounds and I
don't know about three hundred and twentygrams of protein something like that. And
you know, annecdotally, I couldsay I see a really great, great
response. You know, of coursethat's you know, t your tea and

(01:22:14):
stuff like that. So but yeah, I just I feel like the muscle
sticks, you know. But that'sthat's kind of the always the debate.
You know, what's the research sayingand what what do people in the bodybuilding
realm actually see? You know,some bodybuilders are like fuck science. Yeah,
but you know, like one guywas like on on YouTube he was

(01:22:36):
taking poached chicken breasts. So theblandest chicken you can make. That's throwing
it in a blender with pink lemonadesugar free powder, so like you know,
like Country Time lemonade. Yeah,sugar free like crystal light stuff and
blending that and making a chicken breastpink lemonade beverage. Yeah, that sounds

(01:22:59):
awesome, And I was like,I don't know, I kind of want
to try it on camera, justto see how you just swallow it and
just keep on going with your day. I can imagine do it because you
know, chicken breast is going tohave a lot of protein it and I
mean, I could see the benefitof that, but man, that's a
that's a gag. Yeah, Idon't know. I wondered how much of

(01:23:21):
that is like this is like afunny thing for attention to post, and
how much of that's you know,we could easily just do two scoop scoops
of protein powder here. I don'tI don't know if I see a benefit
of actually using you know, chickenbreast over protein powder. But you know,

(01:23:42):
until the research comes out, Igotta I guess I gotta stay neutral
on it. Well, how muchprotein is in like an ain't ounce chicken
breast, you know, it's aboutfifty grands of protein, so two scoops
is going to be about the same. Yeah, probably so, and a
lot cheaper to get two scoops ofprotein. Waey. You know these days,
I mean, gosh, the priceof eggs. Yeah, and way

(01:24:03):
it's gotten is more expensive now thanit was a few years ago. I
know, if you ain't got acostco membership, the gains on the table.
I don't know what happened to Creating. People say it's a supply thing,
but man, I'm going to theyou know, I'm going to the
supplement store, and Creating is likefifty dollars for thirty thirty servings. It's

(01:24:25):
like this was like five dollars whenI was growing up, and like nobody
took it. It was like aweird It's like it was a weird thing.
Now it's just like I blame TikTokman. Everybody talks about Creating on
TikTok, so I think all thekids are buying it and hoarding it.
Well, you remember eas Nutrition andthey were one of the first companies to
sell Creating, and they were sellingit with I believe sugar in it.

(01:24:53):
I don't know. And because theidea was that by sort of pushing using
the bodies on insulin to push creatineinto a cell, it would help,
you know, pump up your musclesmore. But I don't know that that
was like in hindsight such a Iguess the studies since of them have come
out and says, you know,creatine's gonna do its thing whether you preload

(01:25:15):
or not load it, or putit with food or not with food.
It's it's not doesn't work that way, you know. Yeah, well,
there's definitely something to a simple carbpre or during a workout. As far
as creatine delivery, man, Idon't know about that. There is some
really good research on simple sugars andessential amino acids with some untrained people,

(01:25:44):
and I want to say, liketaking in a simple carb like a juice
and then essential amino acids double theprotein synthesis, right, and people just
you know, inherently gain so muchmore muscle. And I think it's a
pretty rock solid stuff. So youknow, I put that in most of
my clients regiments Like A I likea pomegranate juice with a cential amino acid

(01:26:08):
just because pomegranate red juice probably asimilar effect to like the beet juice.
And it also gives some pretty gnarlypumps, so I mean it sounds delicious.
It's pretty good yeah, it's prettygood. Yeah, the pumps are
great. It you know, ifyou've got a longer workout, that simple
sugar really kind of pushes you through. So yeah, that's that's one I

(01:26:30):
still use an off season. It'salso a really easy way to get carbs
in. So for clients pushing youknow, I got a guy eating sixty
three hundred calories and he's you know, two hundred and thirty pounds sixty one
men's physique, like, you know, not a three hundred pound guy,
and you know, at some pointlike you just can't eat. So it's

(01:26:51):
easier to you know, drink juicethroughout your workout or pre workout juices.
You know, that's always an easyway to just get those carbs up.
Well. Also, hard cherry juiceis also really effective at lowering your blood
pressure too. Yeah yeah, yeah, I think that's all similar to beat,

(01:27:11):
you know, increasing the arginine andnitric oxide in the blood. So
well, Tyler, thank you somuch for taking us into your wonderful world
of building muscle. Yeah, andnow you used to be based out of
Austin, Texas, but now youlive in Nashville. Yeah, so our
company is still based in Austin,Texas. So I have another coach,

(01:27:33):
Randall Royal, who's a phenomenal coach. He's a former collegiate football player,
natural bodybuilder, you know, justreally encouraging, awesome, awesome guy.
So he's running the show out inAustin. My wife and I moved to
Nashville about two months ago. Ijust saw this as a really great market

(01:27:54):
to start level up here. SoI'm starting from the ground up. I'm
training and m the the guys atQuantum were really uh gracious to give me
a spot there, So I'm kindof taking clients there, getting my name
out there, and kind of buildingeverything up from scratch here. Well,
whatever you do, don't do anydrag shows. I just actually saw a

(01:28:17):
drag drag show, uh bus.I guess it was a drag show tour
bus drive by. I'm looking outthe window right now. This is that's
like a big culture here. Sooh that's interesting. So the so the
the anti drag laws have incurbed anything, huh in Tennessee. Maybe in Nashville.
I feel like they're gonna they're gonnafight tooth and nail. I mean,

(01:28:40):
it's the Bachelor atte capital of theWorld. Oh god. Oh yeahs
has a huge party scene, likebecause of the music and everything and leeches.
Leeches, Yeah, you're post bacheloretteparty needs and long walks, definitely
long walks. Well, good goodluck with all all the stuff, and
a big hug to you and yourwife and you know, and to your

(01:29:03):
clients. Good luck with getting amillion people's lives transformed. How many of
you gotten so far? We're inthe thousands, and I think if we
want to get to a million,we're going to have to We're trying to
figure that out. We're trying tofigure out how to market to you know,

(01:29:24):
the broad public, possibly go atbase with some of our stuff.
And for now, you know,we'll take take a couple hundred a year
until we can figure that out.But right, but yeah, we'll figure
it out. Well, I mean, considering there's currently three hundred and thirty
six million Americans, that's about onein three of three hundred people will be

(01:29:46):
one of your clients. Yeah,I mean one in three hundred is not
that's not too bad, right,You're like, I'm really busy right now.
I'll call you in six years.Yeah, yeah, I just want
to you know, a million peopleobviously a lot of those are going to
be more intimately that work with medirectly. But you know, there's so
much information that I can put outto a lot of people, and a

(01:30:10):
million people is a lot. ButI made this really stupid meme on Instagram
and a million people watched it,and I was like, I don't think
this really qualifies, but like,okay, now a million is making more
sense to me, So we'll see, We'll see what happens. It is
very humbling, right because in theold days, pre Internet, you'd be
like, Wow, one hundred peoplecame to my drag showy or my event

(01:30:31):
or speak you know, you'd belike, wow, it's sold out,
you know, And now we're talkingyou know, thirteen thousand people are following
you on Instagram, and they followyou because they love you and love the
information that you provide for them,and so you know, it's it's a
very humbling opportunity to really speak tothe loved, the lives of everyday people.

(01:30:55):
Yeah, one hundred percent and nota day goes by. I'm not
grateful for that. Uh. AndI know that you know, you guys
are doing the same, and youguys seem to have an audience that loves
what y'all are doing and putting outgood information and you know it's uh,
it's a group effort. No oneperson can can, you know, do

(01:31:15):
this thing? But I think ifenough of us want to do it,
then yeah, we'll reach the masses. So let's just keep doing. Hey,
man, brother, that's why wecall it. Let's grow big together.
That's right, grow big. Ilove it, man, Well,
thanks thanks for having me all manthis These are always so much fun.
And I'm always so grateful to tellmy story and what I do to more

(01:31:38):
people. And you know, it'sI'm so appreciative of it. Thank you
guys so much for reaching out,Thank you for coming on the podcast.
To appreciate you coming on. Comeback anytime. Sure, and you guys
are in Chicago, but yeah,let's let's go. Let's grow Big together
next time you're in town. Yeah, man, I love Chicago. I
will not go in the winter,but one of my favorite cities in the

(01:31:59):
summer. It's amaze, that's right. Winter comes around, it lit to
November. Even December is pretty okay, but January, February, March and
March is rough because it's just it'scold. And just when's it gonna get
warm? You're like, Austin lookspretty good right now. Yeah, Austin
is it's it's fickle. It's it'sup and down, cold and hot and
knot. So it's, uh,you gotta roll with the punches there in

(01:32:21):
Austin. Nashville is pretty similar toBut it's been beautiful the last two weeks
in Nashville, so I think it'llhold. Oh my god. Yeah,
the Woodberry Mountains over there is juststunning. And know I have a lot
of friends who live up there,so yeah, I had to visit them
in years, decades, but reallyamazing communities and great people there. Yeah.
Well you guys got another friend now, So okay, I'm staying sleep

(01:32:45):
on your couch, so you're welcome. All right, we get share out
of the bed. Uh, Tyler, thank you so much for coming on
the show man. Thank you,Tyler, Thank you guys in touch.
Appreciate it. Okay. By TylerFluett lives in Nashville, Tennessee. Level
underscore up Underscore Physiques. Follow himon Instagram, social media everywhere. Really

(01:33:12):
great posts and my goodness, youknow, the transformation on his clients is
one of the most impressive personal trainersthat I've ever followed, and who has
all this really great information and justyou know, it breaks my heart sometimes
whether we talk to so many greatcoaches and personal trainers on the show,
and it's like, you know,I wish I could work with all of

(01:33:33):
them, you know. Yeah,he seems really like a kind and genuine
and just so well spoken. Yeah. Yeah, And we really just scratch
a surface in terms of harm reductionwith anabolic steroids, and you know,
if that's something that you're doing andyou want to talk about it, We've
collected a lot of great information.A lot of it is anecdotal and there's

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some studies behind it. But ifyou want to talk to me, it's
a ninety nine dollars for an hour. We'll go over everything from you know,
your best blood pressure, you checkin photos, hormonal imbalance, reduce
liver function, your heart tissue,reducing inflammation, thickening of your blood,
the mental impacts, the sexual dysfunction, too much sex to little sex,

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hair loss, all the things youcan do to make your life and if
you are going to be using anobolicsteroids, you know to do it so
it has the minimum impact on yourbody, and you know, food,
exercise and rest and walking is powerful, you know. Now, I want
everybody who's listening to the show togo to Apple Podcasts and post a review.

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it, tell us that too.We want to hear from you. You're
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That's an endorsement, you know,or it's really helpful. And I've
put on ten pounds of muscle,you know, or one hundred pounds of
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wanted you to have ties to yourCanadian My father's my grandfather's name was Marcellus
Marcellus, so he was Marcellus William. But nobody wanted a long ass name
like that Marcellus Mark. Mark wasalso like the second most popular name of
the year I was born, andmy mother gave me the name Fausto because

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she didn't want us to have nicknamedbut my father called me Kermit the frog
when I was like, oh hillo, I am k I'm fauster forernos daddy.
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