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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We can we can start talking.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Okay, yeah, I think we are alive, but I don't
think they can hear my little melody today.
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But it's okay.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hello, well Chalom, everybody, and welcome to my segment today, Saturday,
the sixteenth of.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
What month? That were in August?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yes, tell you, I will tell you why. I have
completely forgotten what day it is. Because I have been
on the road for the past twenty I can say
twenty two.
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Hours out of forty eight. Wow.
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So I am so, so so sorry if I'm forgetting
anything today, But the grace of God is sufficient for
all of us.
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Amen.
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I want to welcome my special guests, Apostle Bob Shaw.
I met her in May at the G five summit
in Orlando, and the first thing that I thought of
when I saw her was mommy. And when she spoke,
and I remember in my first conversation with you, I
was just like, I was really, like, like a wounded kitten.
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I was like, can I talk to you?
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So I'm really and I was so honored that I
got to sit with you the whole summit, right next
to you.
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It was beautiful.
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Praise God, Praise because I'm really excited that God used
you in that summits just to you know, just to
calm me down and just to let me know that, hey, hey,
I've got people that can can you know, can bring
me back and can cut me on the shoulder and
say well done, keep going. You know, this is good.
So I'm so grateful. I'm so grateful for all that
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God is doing. So yeah, welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Thank you. I'm honored to be here, so honored to
be with you.
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And I believe that you have been everywhere. I know.
The last time I caught up with you, you had just
been to Brazil, was it?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I think so? Yes, I've been to Brazil and Costa
Rica since we talked, going to Mozambique with some friends
with Heidie Baker in November, and then in January back
to Brazil. We're taking a team of our students from
Love and Truth University to be part of a mission
school in Brazil, and then I'm going to go to
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South Africa. So I've got a busy schedule ahead.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Wow.
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Well, so what time am I going to catch up
with you in Virginia.
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Well, we will, we will sit down and put it
on the calendar. I can't wait for you to.
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Come praise God. Praise God.
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I am trying to look and see on my page
what it is looking like. Okay, we are definitely live.
I can guarantee you that praise the Lord. So we
haven't got anything to worry about. I wanted to make
sure because normally when I'm on my laptop, I can
see what's going on.
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But glory to God. So tell me what did God
do in Brazil?
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Because the whole aim of this program is to ignite
faith for healing, whether it be mental, psychological, in whatever
capacity the person needs healing for what did God do
in Brazil?
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I would like to hear it firsthand.
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Well, Brazil was a short trip this time. Usually we
don't go less than about two weeks, but this trip
was very intensive. It was sure, but there was more
fruit that was produced from a very short time with
the Lord than maybe any trip we've had. But I
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was able to teach in a mission school, and there's
some young ladies that are doing this mission school just
with beautiful hearts for the Lord, sold out for Jesus,
passionate worshipers. And after one of the night sessions, the
leader of the mission school, she wanted me to sit
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and talk with her leaders. There were seven of us
on seven seven it was July the seventh, Wow, and
we talked from nine thirty. Well, the Lord just moved
powerfully from nine thirty that evening until twenty till four
in the morning. Wow.
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Crazy.
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Yeah, And.
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It sounds like what happened when Paul was preaching and
you tak has smelled out the window.
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He had been preaching for such a long.
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Time, but people go to experience such a big miracle
way he brought you take us back to life.
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So yeah, what happened during that.
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Time, Well, we were sitting and the Lord just really
was highlighting the fivefold ministry and we talked about that.
And as it happened that four of those girls are apostles,
two of them are and the Lord was just speaking
over them, minister to them powerfully. The Holy Spirit came
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in in a big, beautiful way and was very powerful.
And one of the main reasons that we went to
Brazil was my friend Candice, which whom you know, doctor
Candace Smith, theman. She was part of one million women
last year in the United States where we gathered. It
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was actually three hundred and fifty thousand women on the
Washington Mall and there were ten million that streamed online.
And then the Lord spoke and said, this is to
go to Brazil. So we went and because I had
some connections there, I felt the Lord connect me that
I needed to connect her with We went, connections were
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made supernaturally, and this is going to Brazil on October
twenty five, twenty five this year, and they're gonna it's
an Esther Mordecai movement and just seeing the Lord restore,
brain restoration, healing, deliverance, salvation and the people of God
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are rising up and it is incredible to watch him
do what he does. The Lord is moving powerfully.
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Powerfully powerful.
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So tell me about a time when God did something
that completely just wow. Do you like a miracle or
an incident where you know it it can be absolutely anything.
I want to say something after you've you've told us
about whatever that miracle was or whatef a move that
God did that completely changed things around?
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Is this like in Brazil recently or just a testimony
from just the testimony?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Okay, I'm aware that so many people will get to
watch this. Sometimes we get like one thousand views and
people get to it at whatever time that they catch
this broadcast, I want them to just catch on to
what God is doing in this hour and what he
has done before.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Amen.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Well, I would like to share about a time that
the Lord did some healing in my heart. You had
mentioned inner healing, Yeah, And I had been in a
process with the Lord for some years of going to
him and allowing him to heal my heart, and so
there were different areas that he would work on. As
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we were going through this process. One day, while driving
down the road, the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said,
you have unforgiveness in your heart towards someone. And I
thought about it and I said, no, Lord, I don't
think I do. I think I've taken care of that.
And he said, no, you haven't. You still have unforget
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There's still some more there. And he said, and you've
allowed this person to treat you this way. And I
was kind of shocked, because sometimes when we're being treated
away or being hurt or abused or wounded, we tend
to think it's the other person's fault. But the Lord
has empowered us and so we don't necessarily have to
be a victim. We can have we can be a
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powerful person and set boundaries and things like that. So
the Lord was speaking to me and then he led
me into a fast. I chose to forgive, I said, Lord,
I choose to forgive. And also I just want to
mention this. You know, sometimes when we've been through things
in our life, people have told me. I've had many
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people that have said to me, I can't forgive them.
You don't know what they did to me. And this
is what the Lord says about that. He would never
ask you to do something you weren't capable of doing.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
That's right.
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Wow. Forgiveness is not a feeling. It is a choice
of obedience to the Lord.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Amen. I love that. I love that. I need to
write that down.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Can you say that again.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That's a powerful statement right there.
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Yes, Obedience is not a feeling. I mean a forgiveness
is not a feeling. Forgiveness isn't a feeling. We feel
like that we have to feel like everything's okay. No,
it's not a feeling. Forgiveness is a choice to obey God.
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Is a choice to obey God. I think that's the
most powerful thing I've heard today. Obedience is not a feeling.
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It's a choice to obey God.
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So I believe that there are some people who are
watching right now who need it to hear this.
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Amen. Yes, I feel the Holy Spirit right now, because
this is the thing. When we hold on to the unforgiveness,
it ties the Lord's hands from moving. It's almost as
if he's waiting. He's standing, he's with you, he's waiting,
he feels, he feels for you, he loves you. He's
not okay that you've been heard and wounded. But unless
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you forgive, you're holding onto the situation. You're trying to
control the situation, and he's not going to move until
you release it. And the forgiveness is a means to
release it to the Lord. And so when you forgive,
it releases the Lord to move in that situation. And
so I chose to forgive. And when I did, I
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had two weeks Israel of downloads from Heaven that were
so powerful, that were so life changing, encounters with Heaven
and understanding the realm of the Spirit and how closely
we're connected to it, and the access we have to
the Kingdom of God that is within us and all
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around us continually, and so and then I went into
a fast. But it wasn't food. He asked me to
fast distractions any kind of TV, any movies, social media, books,
anything that would take me away from the Word of
God and Jesus. My focus was to be on the
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Word of God in Jesus for the next forty days.
And so I said, yes, Lord, and then he led
me to the scripture in Isaiah. I'm going to just
read this really quickly because when we forgive, he and
if this wasn't even part of my notes Israel, the
Lord's just going in another direction here.
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But I love.
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It because we let him be in charge, because he
knows what's best, right.
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And then.
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Okay, in Isaiah fifty eight he has and it's starting
in verse six. It says, is this not the fast
that I have chosen to loose the bonds of wickedness,
to undo the heavy burdens, to let the oppress go free,
and that you broke break every yoke. And so he
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gave me that scripture for this fast, and every day
I was quoting that scripture, reading that scripture, meditating on
that scripture, and I thought, oh, well, he's gonna, he's
gonna he wants to do this for someone, and I'm
probably gonna help that person, you know. And then after
a couple of weeks he said, no, honey, this is
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for you. This is what I'm gonna do for you.
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But let me just stop you there, Bob, because my mind,
my mind has been blown away by something that you said.
You said, once you had forgiven this person, Oh glory
to God, thank you.
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Jesus, you started having downloads from heaven.
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Yes, yes, and you began to be opened up into
a realm of heaven that you had not been to
because you had this thing of unforgiveness. So unforgiveness is
literally a blockage to to to us.
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Can I say service or to our relationship with God?
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Yes it is, yes, yes, And this is the thing.
I didn't even know I had unforgiveness because I had
worked through some things with this individual, but I didn't
know that there was still something else there. So sometimes
we actually have to ask, Holy Spirit, is there anyone
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I need to forgive? Because you know, the enemy, he's
very he's very deceiving, and he likes to hide in
the shadows because he never wants to be found out
because once he's found out, he can be dealt with.
Once the light shines on him. Then he's found out
and then that can be taken care of very easily
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with the Lord. But he will things will be hidden
below the surface. And so the Lord brought it to
my attention and I even thought, well, no, you know,
I don't, but he said, yes, there's still some more there.
And when I was just obedient in following the Lord's lead,
it was incredible what happened in my life. After two
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weeks of reading this scripture, I want to read it
one more time?
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Is real?
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If it's okay? Yeah, no, absolutely, just because someone may
need to hear this.
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I feel the Holy Spirit on Dishonestly, I just feel
the anointing on this.
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Oh thank you Jesus. It's like today when I woke
up right, I was like, I did.
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A short little video just before we came live, and
I said, healing just doesn't refer to the physical.
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It's reversus the mental. And you've just brought this on it.
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I had not spoken to you about what we are
going nothing.
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So most of my notes, yeah, most of my notes
had to do with physical.
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Uh.
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This the Lord's just taking us on another another path
right now. But this is the thing is reel the Lord.
The Lord loves his people so much. Papa loves us
so big. We it's hard for us to even comprehend
it really is. And these are things I didn't even
know I needed. I went into this past. I didn't
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know that I needed the bonds of wickedness to be undone.
I didn't know that I needed heavy burdens to be loosed.
I didn't know that I was oppressed and needed to
be free. I didn't know that I was under a
heavy yoke. But the scripture said, is this not the
fast that I have chosen to loose the bonds of wickedness,
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to undo the heavy burdens, to let the oppressed go free,
and that you break every yoke. Jesus led me into
a fast because he wanted to set me free from wickedness,
from a heavy burden, from being oppressed, and he wanted
to break that yoke of bondage off of my life
that I did not even realize I was carrying.
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Wow, So we went.
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So we could be We could technically, as Christians, be
going about saying, I am the righteousness of God and
do all these things, and yet we are tormented, press
and all of these things we are bound, and we
need Jesus to let us lose because we are living
in unforgiveness.
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Right. Yes, I'm here today, Yes, yes we we. He
died for us to be free, and he's very passionate
about us being free. And all our part is is
to yield to the Holy Spirit, and when he reveals things,
to just yield to that and allow him to lead us.
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And he will lead us right into the very thing
that we have need of. We don't have to strive,
we don't have to struggle, we don't have to figure
it out, we don't have to make it happen. He
will do it if our hearts are open and willing.
So when he told me I had unforgiveness, you know,
I'm like, I didn't think I did. But then he
said yes, and he said you've allowed this person to
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treat you this way. And then he was nudging me
and showing me he wanted me to do this fast.
I yielded to the fast. Then he sent me to
this scripture and then that started to unfold. That unfolded
in my life in a big way. Israel. Through that
forty days, the Lord, this lady here who had become
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a little mouse, in the corner. I had lost my voice,
I had lost even the ability to have an opinion.
I had lost my courage. I wasn't living out of
the fullness of who He created me to be. Wow,
the lion of the tribe of Judah, through this fast
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rose up in me and I stood encourage in the
power of the Holy Spirit. And the Lord did these
things in my life. He broke those things in my life,
and tremendous freedom came. Tremendous freedom my life. This was
in twenty thirteen Israel when this happened. This changed my life,
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so Drafts, my life has never been the same. And
I want you to know that the very person that
I had to forgive because I got freedom, and because
the Lord healed me later they were able to receive freedom. Amen,
do you understand if we don't allow Jesus to heal us,
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some of the people around us will never receive their healing.
God wants to use us. God wants to use us
as agents of healing, and so if we allow him
to heal us, whether it's physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, people
are broken. They have heard in their hearts about churches
and they've been abused by leadership and things financially. People
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are hurt, they're wounded because of financial things and just
wrong mindsets Cnemeny. In all of these areas, the Lord
wants us whole. He wants us free, and he wants
us whole. And if we will yield to him, Israel,
he does it, He will do the work, and he
will set us so gloriously free. This fast was not
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just about emotional healing. I want you to tell tell
you what happened on the very last day of this
fast I had I had before you say it.
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Can I just ask everyone who is watching right now
to share the link because what we are receiving right
now feels like manna from heaven. And I believe that
there are a lot of people out there who.
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Really need to hear it.
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Maybe they couldn't receive this message coming.
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From you, who is watching right now, but.
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When they watch this, they're going to receive it from
someone else and it will speak directly into their lives
and they will also be set free. And remember what
she's just said, Bob just said that if we don't
get set free by Christ, those who have been wounded
along in our lives, they won't receive their healing too.
So I'd love for you to just share this linkuid
as many people as you can, so that many people
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will hear what happened on the last day of the
first going Bob.
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Yes, well, yeah, well I want to I'm going to
back up just a little bit before the last day.
It was a very intense forty days, okay, And the
Lord was walking me through these scriptures and I was
decreting them, and then and then finally, you know, the
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Lord gave me courage that I had not had for many, many,
many years, and I was able to confront and address
things being led by the Spirit of God, and through
those things, I was getting breakthrough. And then one Sunday
I had gone to church and there was a book
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table and you could leave books and you could take books.
And I saw a little book and it said Receiving
Christ's Love, and so I picked up that book. That afternoon,
I went home and I'm reading this booklet, and I
started to weep and I started to sob reading this
little booklet about receiving Christ's Love, and the Lord spoke
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to me and he said, and I said, Lord, this
is what you've done for me, I've received your love,
I understand, and he said, yes, but this person has
never received my love. That's why they do what they do.
And a shift came in my heart of great compassion
and love for the person that had hurt me, and
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that yes, So there was this great shift in my
heart to see them the way God saw them. He
loved them, but their heart had not been able to
receive his love. Wow. So he gave me understanding. And
so then from there, the day before the last day
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of my fast, this person came to me and they said,
I want to ask you to forgive me.
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Oh wow. Yeah.
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On day thirty nine, they came to me and they said,
I want to ask you to forgive me. I have
treated you very badly and I want you to forgive me.
I'm sorry for all the things I've done, all the
things I've said. I'm sorry.
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Wow.
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And because the Lord had allowed me to read that booklet,
I had the love of Christ for them, and I said,
it's okay, it's all right. And I said, I said,
what you don't understand is I have a whole lot
of love I want to give you, but you haven't
been able to receive it. And this person said, will
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you help me receive it?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Wow?
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Wow, So Israel, the last day of mine.
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Became instrumental in this person's love for God. Oh Jesus, Wow,
crase break, thank you Jesus Alilia.
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Wow, I'm blown away. I'm completely blown away.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah, and it's all you know. I could not Israel.
There's no way I could have figured this out in
my own I could have never made any of this happen.
It was being surrendered and yielding to the spirit of
God and allowing him to lead me. If we stay
in this place with him, just yielded and surrendered, he
will lead us in a life that we can't even fathom. Wow.
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So the very last day, Israel, of this vast someone
came up to me and they wanted to bless me.
And it was the exact amount for credit card some
credit cards I had nineteen thousand, three hundred dollars paid
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in for the last day of my fast.
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Wow. Wow, Wow, that is mind blowing. Yeah.
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I can't even have a commentary on that because that's
just that's just mind blowing.
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That's God. You can.
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That's that's incredible. I hope you guys who are watching
are listening. To this, you have we have to walk
in unforgiveness. I think it was one of the great
church leaders of our time that says work in advanced forgiveness.
Don't have that time to even harbor, you know, unforgiveness.
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In your heart.
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And you know, I think God led you to this
platform today because people needed to hear this.
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They just so needed to hear this, And I'm so grateful.
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Do you just want to, you know, pray for those
who are watching and those who watches concerning what you've
just told us.
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Yes, I would love to do that. Father. I just
thank you so much. I thank you, Papa, that you
love us with a love that is so big, that
is so great, that is so all consuming and overwhelming
that we can't hardly even begin to fathom the greatness
of your love for us. And Lord, where there have
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been areas in our life that hurt has come in,
where there have been people that have wounded us through words,
through deeds, people that have spoken word curses over us,
people that have abused us, Lord, traumas that we have
lived through, Father, where there has been rejection, where there's
been abandonment, where there has been just very deep emotional
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pain and wounds in our heart. Lord, sometimes even physical
pain that people have perpetrated against your people, even a
sexual abuse. God, all of these things, they were never
your will, that was never your plan for their lives.
And God, we know that your ways are higher than
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our ways, and that you are so wise and all knowing,
and that you have designed this so that when we
choose to follow you and obey and forgive, that freedom
comes into our life. And so Lord, I just pray
for those today that feel like they can't forgive, because
that's a lie from the enemy. You would never tell
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us to forgive if we couldn't do it, But your
spirit and your power helps us to forgive when we
don't feel like we can. We know, Lord, that forgiveness
is not about a feeling, but it's about obeying you.
And when we just take that step of faith, obeying you,
you will show up in a mighty way to bring
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freedom and deliverance in our life and in others' lives.
And so God, I pray for those that have been
hurt and wounded today. I pray over their hearts. I
thank you Jesus that you came to heal the broke
and hearted and to set the captives free, those that
have been in bondage with heavy burdens, and those that
have been under a yoke of bondage. And sometimes we
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don't even know that we're oppressed and all of these
things because of the hurt and the pain other people
have caused us. But Lord, you want to set the
captives free. And so Jesus, I just thank you today
that everyone who's willing to surrender to you, everyone who's
willing to obey your word and choose to forgive that God,
great and mighty things will be done on their behalf.
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You will start to move and work in the situations
in their lives, and God, freedom will come. And Lord,
I thank you that as on a daily basis, sometimes
we have to make a daily choice to forgive that Lord,
as they continue to walk it out forgiving, choosing forgiveness,
choosing forgiveness, that the feelings will come. They will have
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the feelings, Lord, that will catch up and they will
have those feelings as well. They will feel the forgiveness
towards that person. And so I just released them today.
And Holy Spirit, right now, I ask that you would
reveal to each individual's heart. We're going to just stop
and take a moment, Holy Spirit, is there anyone we
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need to forgive Jesus, Wow, Holy Spirit, If there's anyone
we need to forgive, speak that person to us so
that we can be obedient. O Israel. Would it be
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okay if we just go through a prayer of forgiveness
right now with those who maybe heard someone's name.
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This is exactly what Holy Spirit wants for today, So
go ahead, okay.
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So I'm just going to look into the camera if
if you have someone that has come to mind when
you ask Holy Spirit and he's brought someone or maybe
more than one person, maybe multiple people to your mind.
Right now, we're just going to walk through a prayer forgiveness,
and if you're willing and your heart is ready to
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obey the Lord's command to forgive, then we will walk
through that with you. So Father, I just thank you
right now for each individual and your love for them.
We come to you, Father, knowing that you are wise
and that you love us, and that you have good
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plans for our lives, and we want to obey you
and follow you with our whole hearts because we really
do trust that you have good plans for us, and
we don't want anything bitterness, anger, resentment, hurt, pain holding
us back from what you have for our lives. And
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so today, Father, using to obey your command to forgive
those people that have hurt us. So right now, Father,
I choose to forgive, and I want you all to
just put the names of the people in there. We're
going to be silent for just a couple minutes and
allow you to name those people to the Lord. Lord,
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I choose to forgive, Jesus, and Father, I choose to
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forgive them for doing and you can just list the
things that they've done that have hurt you. I choose
to forgive them for the things they've done. Go ahead
and do that. Thank you, Lord, Jesus, Thank you Jesus.
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And Lord, your word says that we should pray for
our enemies. And so right now, Lord, those that have
hurt us, we just choose to bless them. We choose
to release a blessing from the Lord over them, and
we choose to release them and put them in your hands.
And we break all ties with holding on to unforgiveness,
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and we put them in your hands, and we ask
you God to have your will and your way in
their lives and to bless them. Thank you for setting
me free today. Lord, Thank you for cleansing my heart
of any unforgiveness and releasing me to live in the
fullness of who you created me to be. Thank you,
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Thank you, Father and Jesus name. Amen Amen, Amen, Wow,
wow wow wow.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
You know the presence of God that was on this
platform ever since we started. It's just something that is
just amazing. And you know, speaking about forgiving people, I
remember when the Lord spoke to me about forgiving people,
and he said to me, I cannot use you unless
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you forgive people.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
And he made me just like what you said.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
He told me to write the list down of everyone
who had done things to me, you know, hurtful things
or whatever. And I remember writing down each person's name,
and then he said, now tell me what they've done,
you know. So I remember sitting there and I was
saying sorry, and so they did this, and they did that,
and I went down my little list and then he said,
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now tear out that page and green burn it. Tear
it out, and when burn it and forgive them, let
them go. And you know, at that time, I didn't
feel I didn't feel like i'd forgiven. I didn't feel
like i'd been But when I woke up the next day,
I felt so light, I felt so free, I felt
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so you know, And it's it's liberating to be able
to let go of people who have hurt you. Now
some people might say, yes, but you don't know what
they did. They raped me when.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
I was a child, and they did this, and they
did that.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
But the principle remains the same, that obedience is not
a feeling. It is a choice to obey God, like
you said so beautiful at the beginning of this segment,
and we choose to forgive.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
It's a choice.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Don't feel like it. Like you said, you may not
feel like it. I loved, I absolutely loved. And I
believe this is a word that is in season. And
there are some people who have been hurt rightly you
said in the prayer, that have been hurt by church.
You know, church leadership has hurt people. And believe us
to walk away grumpy and you know, feeling very resentful
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towards church.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
And some people have not gone to church for weeks, yes,
you know. And this message is for everyone.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
This message that Bob and I have just been going
through has been for everyone, And I'm just so grateful that.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
We've had a chance to have this.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Can we call it like the heart to heart session
where people got to hear this amazing, amazing testimony. So
it's not just about healing. God doesn't want to just
heal our external infirmities the things that we can see,
but he also wants to heal our hearts, our minds.
You know, everything to do with that amazing, amazing Israel.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
You know that.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Concerning our hearts being healed, when we forgive, that opens
the door for the healing and our hearts to take place.
And I have seen over the years many many times
people that have sicknesses and illnesses it's tied to heart issues, right,
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It's tied to wounds in their heart and their body
is being affected. We're three parts. We're body, We're soul,
which is our mind, our will and our emotions, and
then we're spirit and we're all those three are connected
and so our When our soul is not prospering and
it's hurt and it's wound, did then what happens is
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it will affect our body sometimes and even unforgiveness and
things can open the door for for things to attach
to us that are not from God. And so I
have seen people healed because they forgave, physically healed, physically healed,
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and set free because they they forgave, and the forgiveness
was what was blocking their healing in the physical. Wow,
these things are at.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
This hearing this, this is this is like, this is
like priceless. What's what Apostle Bob is talking about. It's priceless.
If you're harboring unforgiveness, it can actually block even your
physical healing.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Wow, it can't. Wow, I've seen it. I have seen
a lot of people get healing because they they chose
to forgive. Like we prayed for them, the healing wasn't coming,
and then ask Holy Spirit and it was all they
need to forgive someone they forgive and then the healing comes.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Yes, forgiveness. Forgiveness will block your healing in the physical
as well. And so it's very important to walk in
because this is the thing. Unforgiveness is poison. It is poison.
And the Lord knew that, and that's why he commands
us to forgive. If you want to be forgiven, he says, forgive.
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He knew it was poison for our bodies for our spirit,
our soul. He doesn't want those things affecting us, so
he says to forgive, and that poison, you know, affects us.
I heard the same years ago. People would say it,
it's not biblical, but they say it. They said, unforgiveness
is like drinking poison and waiting for the other person
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to die. Have you ever heard that Israel? Yeah, I've
heard that set and it's very it's somewhat of a
true statement. And you know, the Word of God says
in First John it talks about or maybe it's Second John,
but it says, I wish above all things, brethren, that
you prosper and be in good health as your soul prospers.
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So when we get our souls healed, and we get
our hearts healed, we let go of the yucky emotions
and the hurt, and the maybe we're feeling resentful, our
bitterness towards someone. If we hang on to those things,
it turns it gets worse. It only gets worse. We
get rid of those things, We get those out of
our heart and our soul, and we allow Jesus to
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come in and fill us with his love, with his joy,
with his peace and stand in that righteousness that He's
purchased for us. Then we will see the Lord prospering
our bodies and our health the same way that our
souls are prospering.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
I can I ask you a question while sure now, say,
for example, the person who's hurt you. And I'm asking
this because you know, I'm putting myself out there as
somebody who's watching, was not able to ask the question.
If this person has since died, but they hurt me
really really bad, how does that help me to forgive them?
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But they're not here anymore for me to tell them
that I've forgiven them.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
This is the thing. The Lord doesn't always ask us
to go to those people and ask for forgiveness.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
M h.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
This was this was a This was a hard thing
between me and the Lord, me and Jesus. This was
between the two of us. And I made the choice
to forgive. And when I did that, I didn't go
to that person and tell them you've done this to me,
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You've done this to me, you've hurt me, You've I didn't.
I didn't have to defend myself. I didn't have to
get justification or or anything for myself based on what
they've done to me. I just needed to release them
to the Lord. Now, there are times when the Lord
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will ask us to go and ask, you know, confront
the person about forgiveness. Sometimes the Lord will ask us
to like you said, write it down, yeah, you know,
releasing those things. But the Lord also wants us not
to put ourselves in danger again. Sometimes healthy boundaries are
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good and you're not supposed to be connected with that
individual anymore. Right, So if someone you you know that
has hurts you has died and they're gone, if the
Lord brought unforgiveness, this is between you and the Lord, right,
So you just make things right this way and the
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Lord will take care of it. Amen, the Lord will
take care of it.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
That that's powerful because they're not there anymore. It comes
between something between you and God. Because you still have
you still have you still alive. You still need to
deal with the things that can actually pretend you to
stop you from being with God.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
In the fad that you know, you're like your time
on earth has ended.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Wow, this is this is just this is just so incredible.
This is just so incredible. Somebody, somebody here has put
us a comment saying that I was hurt by pastors.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
I know how that feels. And then there's like a
crying emoji. This is powerful.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
And I suppose they're talking about this session that we
are doing and I'm going to do what apostle is
that I was made to do, write names and what
they did to me and tearing it off and burning it.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
So this is this is this is.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Just Unfortunately from my phone, I can't somebody thinking this
is powerful segment and they are different things.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
I love this.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
The Lord brought me through healing in the area of
forgiveness before receiving the physical healing.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
So there you are, Bob.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
What we're saying here is actually something that is very real,
you know. So this is so so good, they said,
so praise God.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Amen.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Amen, Amen, thank you.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Just to forgive everyone who has hurt me.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Oh, this is praise God.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Thank you, Thank you Jesus. Praise God, Thank you Jesus.
There's so much freedom, so much freedom, amen. And walking
with the Lord. He knows why he asked us to
do these things. Even if we don't know why, He understands,
and when we follow him, amazing things happen.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Amen.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
And now I just want to share very quickly and
a testimony that will inspire somebody out there. Now you've
all been listening to everything that apossible, and I had
to share regarding healing. Mostly she was doing the sharing,
and what a powerful share that was. And so we
are looking at God healing us from our hearts because
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we have been unforgiving. But this is like what Barba
has been sharing is like a word of knowledge that
dropped into her spirit because she said that this is.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Not what she intended to share. She had a lot
of physical healings that she.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Wanted to share with us, but the spirit of the
Lord came upon her to share something that was different.
Because this message is for such a time as this.
Now if it is a word of knowledge, like God
giving her because somebody out there needed to hear it.
Right now, I'm going to tell you what happened in
the Revival meeting in Derbyshire.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Now, the Lord used me to give a word.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Of knowledge, and I remember saying it this way, that
God is healing someone with HIV and this person needs
to go back to their doctor to have another test done,
and you'll find that when the results come back, there
will be no trace of HIV in your blood. Now,
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would you know, somebody who was listening in Kenya got
hold of this word and they had been from birth.
They had been diagnosed with HIV and not a single
time in their life had the blood results come back
saying it was undetectable.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
There was always some kind of amount of viral load.
It was always being detected.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
For eighteen years, eighteen years, eight months, it was always
being detected. But this time they got a hold of
that word. They went back to their doctor and said
they wanted to be tested. Apostle, I tell you, on Monday,
I got the word that said this young lady who
had been HIV positive for eighteen years and eight months
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went back to her doctor and the doctor said, we
cannot find any HIV in your banking trance.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
God you, thank God, Wow, thank you.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
This segment has been like that. If you've been under
the sound of our voices and you've heard this, this
testimony of the fact that there was some unforgiveness and
that she was not even aware of it. That first
prayer that we that she prayed about Holy Spirit, show
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me the people that I need to forgive, and then
after that getting the instructions to go on that first,
and then after the first all of the things that happened,
and even during the First the fact that God began
to open up revelations of heaven and just a different,
different experience of God. So I want you guys who
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are watching this to really just take this word and
I want you to post it on as many groups
as you can.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
This is not about me. It is not about apostle Bob.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
It's about you and your relationship with God and knowing
what to what it feels like to walk in complete
unforgiveness of all the people that have done something that
is wrong, that you know something wrong to you, the
freedom of walking in Christ Jesus in the absolute one
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hundred percent forgiveness. So you need to share this. We
need as many people to know about the consequences of
unforgiveness and about what it is like after you have
released those people and forgiven you know, I couldn't be
more grateful to God today regarding this. And I know
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a few people that I'm just gonna scatter this all
over because sometimes when you when you minister to people
about unforgiveness, they're not really paying attention because ah, well,
it's just Bob.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Ah it's Israel, you know.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
But when somebody else shays the way that you have done,
you know what in that atmosphere that the Holy Spirit
just created in that instant, when you begin to speak
about it means that it is a thing that God
wants people to hear.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
About today Israel, I have to share this as well.
At the end of that fast, I knew that I
was never going to be abused again, verbally or emotionally.
I knew my life I was set free exactly what
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he said in Isaiah fifty eight six. He loosed the
bonds of wickedness, he undid the heavy burdens. He set
me free from oppression, and he broke the yoke. I
knew at that point I would never be abused again,
and I have not.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
That's powerful, man, that is powerful. That is also there
is also a reward or forgiven.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
Wow, it's the freedom that we get to walk in
when we forgive amen. Yeah wow, wow Wow.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
This has been so so, so, so so useful, and I'm
glad that maybe we didn't concentrate so much on physical healing.
The thing that makes us be able to love God
is a hot thing, yes, and that's kind of like
what we talked about.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Today, how to thing hard to hurt with God.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
I remember this morning I was talking to one of
my students and I said, you know, every time I pray,
I pray that God, I would want to know your heart.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
I want to be obedient to what.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Is on your heart, on the heart of God, you know.
And this is a major thing because even when the
Lord spoke about the what we call the Lord's Prayer,
he said that we would forgive so that you know,
we can be forgiven. And you know, it's it's a
God thing to forgive. It's a God thing, you know,
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because if He counted us with every sin and never
forgave us, we could never touch Heaven, we could never
touch God, we could never have a relationship with God.
So it is an absolute requirement of us as God's
children to walk in the past that Jesus did. And
even at the Cross we hear him saying, forgive them
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for they know.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Not what they do.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
Yes, Yes, praise God, Praise God. Yeah, and Israel, do
we have a little bit more time? I would like
to just maybe share a couple things on physical healing,
go for it. Did we have time?
Speaker 1 (49:47):
We do yep, okay.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
One. The very first thing that I felt like the
Lord had put in my heart is to help people understand.
So many people don't know if it's the of God
to heal. They come and they're like, well, I'm not
sure you know, and they'll pray for people. Well, Lord,
if it's your if it's your will, we have to
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be grounded in the fact of knowing that our Father
is love, He is good always, and it is his
heart to heal always, he heals. He is a healing god.
In Exodus fifteen twenty six, it says, for I am
this is actually who he is. I am the Lord
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who heals you. And then in verse in Isaiah fifty three,
verse five, it says, but he was wounded for our transgressions.
He was bruised for our iniquities. The chastisement for our
peace was upon him, and by his stripes we are healed.
Jesus suffered a very cruel death where his body was
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the flesh was ripped from his body, and those stripes
were for our healing. He came to heal us. And
there were so many scriptures in Isaiah, I mean not Isaiah,
but so three it says Bless the Lord all my
soul and all that is within me. Bless his holy name.
Bless the Lord on my soul, who forgives all of
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our iniquities, and who heals all our diseases, and he
redeems us from our life from destruction and crowns us
with loving kindness and tender mercies. That's beautiful what he
promises us. And he also promises to redeem us from
the curse. Jesus actually became the curse on the cross,
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and all the sickness and disease is from It's from
the demonic realm, and it is from the curse. And
Jesus came to break the power of the curse over
our lives so that we could walk in divine health.
And so if we align our hearts in our life
with the truth of what God says and know the
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Lord is not punishing people with illness. He's not putting
sickness on people to teach them a lesson. Those are
lies from the enemy. We as parents, I can tell
you as a mama and a mimi, I have grandchildren.
I would never do anything to harm my children or grandchildren.
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Do I correct them and lead them in the right way,
and yes there's correction, but never putting anything harmful or
hurtful on them. We would never do that as earthly parents.
How much more our heavenly father does not do those
kind of things. But some people have grown up believing
these things, Israel, they have, and it's kept them. It's
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kept them from walking and healing and wholeness.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (52:57):
Yes, so that's one of the very first things we
have to know that we know that, we know it
is always God's will to heal. And in the scripture,
I want to read this if I could really quickly.
This scripture is so powerful. Israel's one of my favorites.
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The Lord gave it to me years ago. I've used
it so many times for different things. But it's in
First John and is chapter five and his verses fourteen
and fifteen. It says, now, this is a confidence that
we have in Him that if we ask anything according
to his will, he hears us.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
Amen. I love that.
Speaker 3 (53:41):
And if we know that he hears us, we have
whatever we ask. We know that we have the petitions
we ask of him. So if our hearts are settled
on the truth, the truth of God's word, that it
is his will to heal. What the scripture is saying
that we can have confidence in God when we go
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to him and we ask for healing. It is his will.
He's hearing what we're speaking, and we have the petitions
we ask of him.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Amen.
Speaker 3 (54:11):
Amen, Amen, is so powerful. And so those were just
a couple of the things I wanted to share. And
then just believing and receiving. And I don't know, I'm
not sure how much time we have, but I really
wanted to let people know. You know, the Bible says
that Jesus went around doing good, healing all who were
sick and oppressed of the devil. Because God was with him,
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he healed all sickness and disease. This is in the Gospels.
You can read it. He's the same yesterday, today and
forever forever. Amen. Amen.
Speaker 2 (54:47):
It's so critical for people to know that that he
is the same yesterday, today and forever.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
He has not changed.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
You know, sometimes I say to my menties, and I've
heard I believe it was Robert Leaden who likes using
this statement.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
Read your Bible. It will bless you. You know, it's
the same. He's the same God, he is the same.
He has not changed.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
We have about five minutes left, so you can use
the five minutes to share whatever else God has put
on your hearts.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
Well, I would like to share this for those who
are needing healing, or maybe maybe you need healing in
your finances, maybe you need healing in some relationships with children,
maybe that are are a strange from you. Maybe you
need physical healing in your body, or maybe even mental
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healing over your mind. The Lord has provided us with
everything we need pertaining to life and godliness. He did
not leave us here without the help that we needed.
Everything we need already resides on the inside of us.
It's the spirit of the Living God. Jesus Christ, our Savior,
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our Lord, our Deliverer, has everything that we have need of,
and so we have to go to his word. And
his word is where we can stand on. His word
is life giving and it's powerful. Could you give me
one moment, please, it's a blessing, he said, I'm sorry,
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that's my little granddaughter. She I told her, just another minute.
Believing the word of God. When we take the scripture
and we use it as a sword, when we when
we go before the Lord with the word of God,
and we this is so important Israel, the Lord taught me,
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when we speak the word of God out of our mouth,
it is just as powerful as the Lord speaking the
word of God. Our words prophesy our future. So when
we're speaking the word of God out of our mouth
out loud, what happens is the angels of God boom.
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They go into they're activated. The word of God gets
their attention, and they are sent to see that that
word is accomplished. The Lord said that he would watch
over his word to accomplish it. He also said that
his word would not return void, but it would accomplish
the very thing he sent it to do. He said
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that the angels of God attend and hearken unto the
word of God. So when the word is spoken, they're
moving on your behalf to see that that word comes
to pass. And so when we are in a situation
and there's areas of our life that we need the
Lord to do a miracle in. You get the word
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of God out, you find what the scripture says concerning
those things, and then you start decreeing and declaring and
releasing the word of God out of your mouth. God's
not asking us to beg him for anything. Israel, so
many people are begging God all the time for things. Wow,
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And and He's like, I've given you everything, Why are
you begging me? It's my pleasure to give you the kingdom.
He is the most He is the most giving being
in the entire universe.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
He gives it.
Speaker 3 (58:31):
He gives, and he gives, Like, we don't have to
beg for anything. It's already been given. It's been given.
We just come into agreement with his word. We stand
that that word of God has a power to break
the very thing that the enemy is trying to bring
against our life. The word of God has the power
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to destroy the plans of the enemy. To speak that
word of God out of your mouth and proclaim it,
prophesy your future with the word of God. Watch the
Lord move on your behalf and accomplish that word in
your life.
Speaker 2 (59:07):
Wow, Praise God. I think you all were listening to
what she just said. You find the scriptures that concern
the situation, and you speak those scriptures. Don't be going
about having a pity party and speaking words that are
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not helpful to the situation.
Speaker 1 (59:30):
But the word of God.
Speaker 2 (59:32):
Because as you heard her say, that God has already
declared in his word that you will hasten his word
to perform it, and that his word will not return
to him void.
Speaker 1 (59:41):
So what is that situation that is in your life?
Speaker 2 (59:45):
You need to start looking into the word of God
and then speaking that word and then letting God take
that word and not letting it.
Speaker 1 (59:53):
Return to him void.
Speaker 2 (59:55):
People of God, if you were with us today, this
has been a very very very powerful, very very powerful segment.
And I'm so honored and so excited that i have
the privilege of being able to listen to this before
I go to bed again tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
So listen to it again and again and again and again.
Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
You may have missed something, you may have come into
the program late, but listen to it and begin to
do those things that you had Apostle Bob share with
us today.
Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
They're so key. Let go of unforgiveness.
Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Let Holy Spirit show you the people that you need
to forgive, and let you know, let them go, release
them back to God.
Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
If they have died. It becomes between you and God.
Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
And when you release them, then even your physical healing
does not become an issue.
Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
It becomes you know, you become a whole in Christ.
Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Because now you're walking in a place of forgiveness.
Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
I have so enjoyed this session.
Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
I wish I could go on for two hours, three hours,
but we need to remember that there's a young lady,
your granddaughter, who just came in to say, hey.
Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Grandma, it's my turn. It's my time with you. Then
Praise God, Praise God.
Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
So I want to thank you, Apostle, for joining me
this afternoon, and for those of you who will be
joining us next week. Guess who I'm gonna have next week, Apostle.
I'm gonna have Candace next week, Doctor.
Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Candace, you will be so blessed.
Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Next thing is gonna be another Powerpeck sessions going to.
Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Be so powerful that lady's carrying so much in the
spirit and your your your people will be less beyond measure. Israel.
They need to they need to tune in next week
to hear this. It's gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Praise the Lord. So remember to really listen to this segment.
Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
It is live on Facebook, my personal Facebook, and on
our YouTube channel. Just share with as many people as
you can because this was a word in season.
Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Apostle.
Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
I want to thank you, and I want to thank
our Lord and safe yeah Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Because You're not a work in the people's hearts today.
Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
So Father, we thank you, we glorify your name, we
exhort you, we praise you, and even thank you for
apostles granddaughter who's not going to be spending some much
needed time with your grandmama. And we just thank you,
Father God for everyone who's been under the sound of
our voices. Let this word, Lord go and let it
touch the hearts of people, and let it come back
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to you having fulfilled everything that you have paposed for
it to do in Jesus Mighty name. And God's people said,
amen and amen, and I will be catching up with
you after grand baby's time.
Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Praise the Lord.
Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
Okay, a big hug to you, Israel, and send me
the link because I'd like to share it too with
some people.
Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
That was blessed to all of your beautiful people. It
was an honor to be with you today. God bless you.
Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Shalom Shallom, shalom, Halleluijah.
Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Now I have to figure out how to to to
stop this.
Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Life session, but you are free to go. Let me
let me do.
Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Oh, I love you, is This was so much fun.
God bless you. Let's chat about you coming okay.
Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Yes, and you coming onto the mentorship is mind blowing
for me right now, Okay, I figured it out, So
shall them tell them to everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
God bless you, Bye bye