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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome back, Welcome back, welcome back. I am Pastor T
and we are so excited to have you with us
today for Sisters and Ministry, our podcast with my sister,
Minister D. Welcome everyone, and yeah, we're happy to be back.
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We had a few days of just getting settled. You know,
we've been lifing. That's as the kids say, we've been
lifing everything from you know, from school, going back to school.
Ministry is the teacher to us, doing different things in ministry,
expanding the ministry, growing, So it's been a lot of
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things that we've been busy getting done for the Lord,
as well as doing our other jobs and things that
we do in conjunction with that. Minister D, do you
want to welcome everybody and tell them what we're talking
about out today?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Oh, welcome everyone.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I'm glad to be back, happy to be here to
be on there with my sister. Okay, I think I'll
go ahead and let you. I got a bit distracted,
so I let you listen and then listen. We're today
we are talking about navigating change, adapting to life's transition.
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We have been just going going, I can tell you
by the time we get to you and you all
see us on that we've done four or five things
that day, and so I'm just so excited that I
still have this opportunity to come on with my sister
and for us to share in this topic that we're
talking about today. We're emphasizing how change is an inevitable
part of life and an inablele part part of ministry.
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So Minnester d if you don't mind, I'm gonna hop
right in and we're we're gonna talk about the first
part because we really want to encourage those that are
in ministry and kind of give them some ways that
they can navigate major life transitions in their life. So
we're gonna start out with just talking about significant life transition.
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Our discussion. We're gonna tacknowledge that life is full of
Let me just start by saying that full of changes,
whether it's moving to a new city, starting a new job,
or experiencing shifts in our ministry focus. Life transitions, you
better hear me today can be challenging but also present
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opportunities for personal and spiritual growth. Right now, we're gonna
just hop in and talk about some things about examples
of how transitioning in our life and in the ministry,
what that looks like and how you as a leader,
how you can adapt to the change in your life.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yes, and this go ahead?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
What do you think about that? Some important changes and
what can we tell leaders in reference to what happens
when you have to readjust and move and do a
big life transitions. Yes, well it's not always easy. I
will say that from the jump, it's not easy. A
lot of times you have to.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
First. You have to always put God first and uh
some of the.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Tests that you're getting ready to endeavor and endure as
far as transitioning, sometimes can be a bit overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
But I think that if you know you are planning
and all of that, you know, sometimes we don't.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
We can't plan because you get to you have your
plans and then life has its own plans. I could
just as far as going back to school, I thought
I was going to be able to do the the
PD days and also go to prayer and do all
the things that I usually do, and it didn't quite
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work out like that because it ran over. So when
you're when you're planning to uh do your ministry and
things like that, you always have to have a plan
in place, just in case that don't follow you can't
follow through with the original plans.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
So I would recommend for.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Those that are in charge of ministries, that have ministries
that partner in ministry to always just keep a plan
in place in case they're not able to make it,
or just whatever might come up in transitioning, whether it's
you're moving somewhere else, or work or whatever it is,
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just keep a plan in play and always have someone
in place that you can depend on to do what
you need done in case, you know, life happens. Yes,
and one thing that I would suggest as well, I
agree with you wholeheartedly, Minister d. Another thing is is
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that we as leaders, we have to remember sometimes that
things that they will get off track, it won't be
at that same time for some unforeseen reason. We may
have to change the time. We have to learn to
be flexible. We can't be so tied in and so
in that if it doesn't go off at that time,
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if it doesn't happen the way that we wanted it
to happen, then oh my goodness, we just you know,
just thrown off track and we can't get it done.
While in ministry, yes, what we do is important. Where
when it solds for Christ. That's what we do, that's
what we've been called to do, to share the Word
of God with others. Alongside that, and you're doing a
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regular job as well as we call it in your career,
and as my assistant, Minister d A stated, you are lifing.
Then you have to really, really, as she said, have
plans in plays. I learned Minister D over time in
that that I had to learn how to if I
can't do it, get someone else to do it, or
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if it looks like it won't happen, reschedule it. It's
nothing wrong with saying, hey, it can't happen this time,
I have to reschedule right or some unforeseen reason you decide,
hey it would be better if I did it at
a letter time. This be flexible, be open, as Minister
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D was stating, and allow the Holy Spirit to direct you. Yeah,
there is some calmness in the madness. You can calm
down and say, hey, you know, I can get a
handle on this. But if you think as a leader
that every time things are going to go this way,
that way, this way, that it won't happen that way.
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So yeah you will and then sometimes like me, I
can feel like, hey, I can do it all. When
it started out that morning, by the end of the day,
I discovered that I overloaded my plate. It was too much,
and so something wounds up falling through the cracks. Minister
d Yes, I agree with everything that you have said,
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but I feel that if the planning is proper, you know,
if you just go ahead and make a plan, make
a plan, get your people, help people in place where
you don't have to worry about it. You can call
them at a moment's notice because they already know what's
going on.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Is I think great teamwork.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
It's the success of any ministry or any kind of
ministry that you want to do, any activities in the
ministry life that you want to try to pursue, you
always have to have an action plan. So I would recommend,
like uh, Minister Pastor Ta, I'm sorry, Pastor T said, you.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Know, planning.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yes, that's that's exactly what you have to do, and
that's what need to be done. And you might not
get everything still done, but it'll be in place and
it'll work out better if you have a plan in place.
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I agree with you. Yes, if you're not if you're
not having a plan, then you're planning to fail. And
so that's what my pastor uh bitch body Chimes would
always say. If you if you don't plan, then what
you're doing is planning to fall. And I love what
you said. TeamWorks, people, teamwork. There's no iron team. Teamwork
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it makes the dream work and so all of us
working together, we can get it done. Now. I can
be extensive when it comes down to planning. I have
calendars on the walls and all that kind of stuff
where everybody's like, oh my goodness, I have, you know,
short term, midterm, term, long range goals. But that's how
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I kind of keep everything in this proper perspective. Now
does that mean that things don't fall through the crack, Well,
of course it doesn't, because life happens. And when that happens,
I agree with Minister d that you have to have
people in place that you can count on, that you
can call and say, hey, I was supposed to teach
this Bible study. I was supposed to do this prayer meeting.
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I was supposed to, you know, teach this. I was
supposed to preach this, not getting to do it. Hey,
I'm going to send you my notes. Can you please
pitch it for me today. And it makes a world
of difference when you have someone that you can count
on to do that. So I agree with you wholeheartedly
in reference to that. And then for those that may
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be facing transitions like this very moment, meaning things like
they may be I have had a significant loss, yeah,
something like that. You know, Isaiah forty says, it reminds
us of His strength and of God's presence in our life. Listen,
losing loved ones, all of that is a part of
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our life journey, growing and witnessing how God can do
things in a new way in our life. That's something
that's you know, that goes along with life. Then having
some patience and trusting in God's timing, that's very crucial
as a leader, as one that's in ministry. And then
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a lot of times, you know, I can feel like
things are very uncertain. But if we keep our eyes
on God and trust Him and be open and available,
that's the part, open and available, then you will be
able to face any kind of transition as a leader,
As a ministry leader, and as you know, anyone that's
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doing ministry as you are going forth, what do you
have to say ministry. Do you what do you think? Yes,
I think it's most important to always keep the mindset
of God being the head of everything. I think a
lot of times I have so much going on and
I might have to go and someone wants you to
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pray or do something, and you're going and you're you know,
you're always anxious.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I know that I'm always anxious when it comes to
doing ministry.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
And I said, oh God, I don't think I've prepared myself,
prepared myself another to do this and when I get there,
because you have to keep your relationship solid with God,
and God just take over. He take over and everything
falls into place. So if you keep your relationship with
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God first, everything else will fall in place. What needs
to be said can be said, what needs to be
done can be done, and I think it will it will,
all you know work out, And just.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Keep yourself prayed up, keep yourself, study.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Your word, do all those things where when you feel
like you can't get it together and it's too much,
you'll walk in the room and God, I have it
all ready for you.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
To just open your mouth and what you need to say,
what you need to do will work out.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So that's past that well before we go ahead, and
when this happened earlier, when I was on another podcast
with our brother earlier with his new show that he
came out with, someone wrote from the gaming platform. Remember
now we're not just connected through YouTube, We're not just
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looking through Facebook, but also the gaming And so Amanda said,
are you guys sisters? Yes, we're not just taking sisters
and ministry. We really are sisters. Sisters. We had the
same parents, had the same parents, and so we are.
So I'm the older sister and this is my beautiful
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baby sister, Minister d and so yes, we are really
sisters and ministry doing ministry together. So thank you for
your question. We always want to stop and just say
acknowledge you guys. When you're tuning in, you ask us questions,
but yes, answer your question. Yes we are really sisters.
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Were Minister dem Al cut you off when you were sharing.
I agree with you and all the things that you
were saying. You know, life can be so uncertain when
you're doing things, especially when you're trying to because with us,
we were raised with excellence. Everything that you do was
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it had to be done. The next we had a
mama that you weren't gonna do whatever you want to do,
the late lady ben Rose at more Merriwell, you were
gonna do what you wanted to do. You were gonna
dress the way you were supposed to, You were going
to do what you were supposed to do, what was
expected of you. And you know, growing up, you know,
I didn't see it for what it was, uh, not
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knowing that it was preparing us for all the things
that we were going to have to do ministry, and
to do it at a level that would be exceptional.
And so I thank them for that. I think my
mother for that. You know that she made us God
fearing women, and she taught us how to be women
of God, and so I think and praise God for that.
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But she also taught us how to navigate things when
we face them in our life strong and to stay
strong and to be okay with things, and that she
reminded us constantly, whatever great person to talk to if
you were going through something, because she was going to
remind you that you are victorious and that you can
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do it. Minister d h, Yes, I agree. We were
most definitely raised in excellence. Everything about my mom. You know,
if you're in church and your doing something. She had
a look about herself that you knew that you were,
you were getting ready to mess up, or you had
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already messed up. So all of that helped, Like my
sister said, all that helped shape us into who we are.
And you know, not so long ago, I went back
home for a women's conference and I really not only
did they raise us in excellence, but the churches that
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my father pastored.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
When I look at everything and I was able to.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Just really see, I realized we were even raised up
under people in the church that were of excellence. But
sometimes it takes you growing and too mature to realize that.
And it was just an extreme honor to know. And
I said, man, my dad, he really had it together.
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My mom, he really chose and he was really careful
about who he had us, had us around, so we
couldn't do anything but be excellent in the end because
we were under a lot of great people. And I
just thank God for my parents for every thing that
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they taught. My mom, Yes, she was very strict when
it came to church. Everything we've done, we had to
do it in excellence. When it came to my mother,
she wouldn't accept any less, we had to do it
decency and in order. She was a great steward of time.
She was a great steward of things, carried out things
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in order, in an orderly fashion, and she groomed us
in that way, whereas we knew the proper way of
doing things. I tell you, you have no idea When
I was, I think I was about fifteen, meybe fourteen,
I don't know. I went to miss miss Manners School
of Manners. I said, oh my lord, it was a
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lot and I had to learn how to walk. I
had to put this book on my head and walk.
I learned how to, you know, to walk the proper way,
how to cross my legs the proper way, just and
I said, my goodness, it was a lot of stuff too,
all of that. And I thought myself when it was happening,
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because my mom realized one day we were going to
transition from being children, young ladies, to women, to wives,
to all these things that we're doing now. And I
couldn't see it again. I thought that lady is crazy.
She didn't actually found a class to put me in.
When I'm sitting here, But you know what, it really
just groomed me and it is. It really caused me
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to be able when I'm in situations when i'm I
remember when I went to the President's Prayer breakfast and
I was serving on that team. I was just in
all how she had prepared us. I knew exactly what
to do, how to sit, how to e spawn you know,
how to engage. It was just to think back over
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our life. I was like, gosh, I never would have
imagined that this, all this preparation would lead to these
types of things in our life. I mean, they were
truly truly visionaries that see things I feel in the spirit.
They could see shifts and mud, things that we should
be doing and what we would become. I think they
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knew that, yes, I have to agree with you, and
she's just speaking lightly, you guys, because during that time,
at being the age fifteen and by me being the
youngest sister, of course, I've admired everything my big sister
was doing.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
And yes, Mom had her in a lot of things
because she was always in beauty pageants and different things
like that.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
And guess what she won.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
She would win, It would it would all everything.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
That was going on. She would always come home with
the trophy. So or whatever they were doing, she was
always first place. So for I think about what five
six years was running straight she won every time.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
All that I think prepared her to do what she
needed to do in those times.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
So it was a lot into all the things that
my mom was, you know, having us to do and
things that we learned. So she she don't talk about
that part, but yeah, she she won every beauty contest
that she was in. So that was those things were.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
At that time.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
That was that was excellent. So I have to tell you,
my sister. I have to tell you, my sister. I
didn't go into the Beauty Passion knowing that I was
gonna win the Beauty Passions because well one of our
members didn't. They just for me. They put me in
the pageant, right, And when they put me on the pageant,
I was like, oh my goodness. I thought it was
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like a talent thing because that was my thing. I
wanted to sing, and I thought I was, you know same,
and I was gonna get to do all those kind
of things. That's what I thought everything was. And so
when I got to doing all of these different things,
I said, man, and my mom said, and you remember
the things and when you go there, listen. You wanted
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to make sure you did the things you were supposed
to do because you wanted to really excel and for
your parents to shine. I wanted my parents to shine.
And then my mom always reminded me, as the oldest daughter,
I was setting the example for my baby sister and
also for my brother and things that were to come
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behind us. So it was a lot of responsibility. She
would always say, she and my dad, to whom much
is given, much is required. So I would constantly think, hey,
I've got to do this the right way. I got
to make sure that I try to do my best
and try to win. If I don't win, at least
place and those kind of things. And so there was
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so much that was, you know, really going on during
that time. But she was really really preparing us as
I look, because she was such a woman of God.
She talked. If people don't know, she talked Sunday school.
I mean faithfully, I taught Sunday school. She would speak
and share not just in the town, but everywhere she
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was how they say, they were requesting her all over
the place, and she would go and she'd have a
lineup and she contact me, and she said, Okay, now
this Saturday, you won't be able to reach me because
I'll be in Birmingham or I'll be over at this place.
So I'm gonna be down in hospital, and so you
will have to, you know, try to get with me
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later because I've got to do so and so and
this and that. And never knowing that we were gonna
turn into those church ladies because I used to say,
well go on church and lady and I would laugh
and all those kinds of things, and not knowing that, hey,
part of what she was doing would be come part
of our destiny and who we are, right right, Yeah,
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you were there more I think at the end for
the a lot of the things that she really once
my father passed that she began to do. I think
she began to you know, have even more engagements during
that time.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I would travel with her because I wanted to make
sure that she was okay, because she was so used
to having my dad, and you know, when you have
that spouse that is uh, that's for whatever you do,
and they're always there and you lose them, Uh, that's
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a big transition. So I would do my best to
try to make myself available, and you know, I wasn't
the only one that just you know, saying about her
as far as those things. You also came home sometimes
just to be with their on things. So during those times,
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I think we were there when she needed us most. Yes,
I think you were, but you were there most of
the day to day because you lived there and you
were with her, and it was she would always say, well,
and your sister's going and I'm gonna call up to sing,
you know, she I'm gonna call up to sing or
they they She say, well, no, we got there and
D had to sing, and D had to introduce me,
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and then D had to do something else on the
program as well.
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And I said, did they give her Honorario And she said, well, no,
she came with me And I said, okay, Mom, And
so you know, just our whole life, because I think
a lot of times when people hear us talk and
we talk about it, and we're still focused on transitioning because.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
We're sharing with you on our life from where we
came from to where we're going and how you can
do that, and then sometimes how you don't see what's
going on that's actually going on in the background. That's
transitioning you into different things. Listen, it's not happenstance that
you got that promotion at your job. It's not having
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stance that you've been called into the ministry. Is not
happenstance that they appointed you over the particular ministry that
you're over there at the church or within the ministry
where you're serving. None of that is happenstands. The thing
is learning to be open to that transition because it'll
be a moment of transition and of change, and it
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may stretch you way more than you thought was possible
for you to do. But I tell you what, when
he opens that door, and I'm talking about the Lord,
when he opens that door for you to walk through, Listen,
if you say yes and walk through that door and
you look back, you'll say, man, this way right. And
then transitioning, I guess one of the biggest things is
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do not get discouraged because a lot of times, when
you're in church and your transition and God's getting ready
to elevate you and move you to new things, it
seemed like everything at church just go crazy. It seemed
like people that you're normally okay with that church and
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Sometimes it's not the people. Sometimes it's you know, you yourself,
but you have to stop and really really just look
at the situation. But a lot of times in transitioning,
you get discouraged. You feel like, oh my God, what
is going on here at church? Everybody's changing, everybody is
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But what God is doing, he is preparing you for
your new endeavor with him. He's getting you ready because
a lot of times we have to get over the hurt,
the hurtful part of things before we can even go
to a different level. And I'm speaking from experience because
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I had to learn everything thing that happened in church
is not to harm you. It is to help build
that character that you need is to help make you stronger.
And when situations come your way, you don't break in
that moment. You know how to handle it and you
know how to say, Okay, God, I need you to
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give me the words to speak to this person because
they have really hurt.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Me or they have really been rude to me.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
So it's just a when when you're transitioning, just remember,
like Pastor T said, it's your transitioning. So all that
come along with transitioning, So don't forget that I agree,
go ahead, mister b No, okay, so and then listen.
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In transitioning, sometimes there's a as you said, that things change,
but that changes now necessary. Sometimes it's a breaking away
of people that used to be your le's boon cooon
all of a sudden. No, it seems like, hey, I'm
calling you and I can't get you on the phone.
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You don't see anything lining up, not even just that
some of the things that you used to making your
routine all of a sudden, it doesn't make any sense.
And you mean, well, you're transitioning to something else. Just
because you can't see it doesn't mean that something isn't happening.
And so what I learned to do is say, okay, Lord,
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even though I don't know as a leader where this
is going, you're placing this in my heart and for
me to do. I am going to be obedient and
I'm going to step out on faith because and I
am going to do it. I can tell you there's
been times when we talked as sisters, real sisters and ministry,
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and we've talked about things with the ministry, things that
we're doing trying to do, and we're going, wow, that's
a lot that may be too much to do, and
then the Lord will open that door. He'll he'll make
that way and we'll say, wow, this is what it
was all along in our lives, in our careers, in
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our everything that we're doing, doors will open. I guess
what I'm trying to say to you. And sometimes we'll
be very hesitant. We won't want to pull away from
the norm. Okay, we're gonna go into the area now, minister,
to do where we don't like, to be uncomfortable for us,
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comfortable feeling right. I don't know what's going on. This
is what I'm not used to. You have some as leaders,
they will shut down because it's like, oh, my goodness,
you asked me to do something else. Or if you've
been a regular I don't mean it in a bad way,
just someone that and you serve on the others, and
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then all of a sudden, you're being elevated to be
the one that's the leader and you kind of shut down. No,
it's during those moments that you need to see that
in order for you to be who it is that
God has called you to be right right, you have
to be uncomfortable. Yes, to be uncomfortable, yes, yes, yes,
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I agree Pastor Tea with that, but I guess I
would tell everyone don't give up, because again, really hard
during those times. If you have people that you can
talk to for spiritual help, spiritual guidance, that's great.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I was able to have my sister, and you know
I have brothers as well.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
But I've talked to her a lot about things at
church and times that I have God discourage.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
You know, she just kind of give it.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
To me the way it really is.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I can recall that I was at a revival, I think,
and I was talking to her.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
About it and I really really was wanting a word
from God and I really felt like, you know, they
didn't give me my word. And I told her, I said,
I felt like they just you know, wouldn't giving me
my word. And she put a question out there for
me that was real, and that made me realize that, Okay,
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you know, sometimes it's just is not about you. That
word is not for you.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
And then she came back and asked a question, so
what so what they didn't give you that word?
Speaker 1 (31:50):
I mean, I mean, she just put it out there
in a way that it made me realize, well, you
know what, She's right and then to go on and
make me understand that, you know, even though you're wanting
that word, the word just was not that they were given.
You know how they go around and let me clarify
what I'm talking about. When they go around and they say,
you know, God told me to tell you so and so,
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so and so or whatever, the message is that they're
giving different ones. And I was like, God, you know,
I'm waiting on a word from you. I'm waiting on
a word, and they every night no word from God.
But I didn't realize in that time that God, that
was not the way God was gonna give me that word.
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And it was just in that moment she made me realize, Okay,
well you know it's not gonna be about you all
the time. And I was like, okay, because a lot
of people get discouraged if the pastor has a word
for a special person or someone tells someone different things
and they're in the transitioning phase of change and they
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feel like, okay, God, I didn't get a word. They
just kept word. They didn't want to give me that word.
But no, they really didn't have a word for you.
They gave the word to who they had the word
for or from God. So a lot of times we
get caught up in that. And I don't want anyone
to feel discouraged because if someone said I have a word,
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you don't receive that word. Because those are some of
the issues that I had as I got further into ministry.
I was still kind of at the baby stage with that,
but as I grew and grew, I figured out that, hey,
you know, if God have a word for you, he'll
get that word to you.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
So just remember that.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
And I'm speaking on the church part because I based
a lot of my decisions off what happened at church,
and I don't want anyone else to ever do that
because that's not God.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Elevating you by what the people think or what the
people have to say about you.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
So just remember that in your transition when you're transitioning
to new and different things. Pastors, Yeah, I agree with you.
It's so important. We've all experienced, and you know, I've
been writing on a book here this summer about getting
past church hurts so that it won't stop you from
being who God has called you to be and doing
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the things that He has assigned to your hands. Because
here's what I've learned over time is never going to
come the way I thought it was going to come.
It's never going to happen that way and so, and
then once it happens, you look back and you say, wow,
I never saw it come in that way. Okay, Lord
on that time when you know, I was at church
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and I couldn't believe they did so and so. I
couldn't believe they said so and so, and I can't
believe they gave that to somebody else. And I've been
doing so and so and so and so. I can't
tell you how many times I've experienced that over my lifetime.
But guess what, God had something else in mind. And
I had to learn during that waiting season, doing that
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transition season, somebody else may be in summer, and he
got you still over in women, and it's okay to
be in wonder because it's not time for you to
be in summer yet. So I had to learn over
time to be okay, now, do we have those moments?
Come on? Leaders, I know where you're in the leader's meeting,
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and it seems like the leader if you're not the
pastor because I'm talking to everybody, if you're not the
pastor or a minister. But you're a ministry leader and
you feel like the pastor is always calling on this
other person. That's because they're calling on this other person.
It does not mean that you're not valuable on the team.
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Sometimes it's a work that's being worked inside of you.
And I said, Lord, I tell him that work though
that's inside of you. It can feel like a lot.
So I agree with you, mister d It can be hurt.
It can hurt you. It can make you feel rejected,
It can make you feel like wanting to give up. No,
you have to stay course, but a lot of it
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when you're going through. Remember, now you gotta grow. You
can't get you how am I going to have a
testimony but never a test I can't get you a
testimony without having a test I can't stay that he'll
bring you through something if I never went through anything.
I can't say that he'll open doors and make a
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way if I've never experienced thinking that the door may
not open, that this way may not come. And so
in life, in order to grow as a leader, in
order to grow in ministry, in order to grow in
your spiritual walk, you have to know that every single time,
as you stated, and I agree with you. It's not
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about you. It's all up about out him. And remember
his thoughts are not your thoughts. His ways are not
your ways. And so you will not be able to
time and make a deal in a bargain with God
to try to get what you want. It won't go
when it's time, it's time. And here's the thing I love,
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minister D, is that when it happens, it happens in
a glorious way that you know Holy God could have
done it. You feel like just shouting and running and
hollering when it happened, like I can't know. I never
would have thought, Jesus, this is what it was. Lord, Okay,
So I just I agree with you. Don't give up, yeah,
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and don't go defeat it because if he said it,
if he revealed that to you, it's coming. That day
is coming right today, and you have to be okay
with that, right right, that's right. Well, let's see, Minister D,
I talked a lot about that. Let me see here. Yeah,
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we didn't went on on We've been just really talking here.
Let's see. I want to make sure that everyone kind
of got the main points that we were sharing, which
was that we were talking about navigating change as a leader,
as a pastor, as a minister, adapting to life transitions,
be it at home, school of playing. We talked about
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some of the stories and shared some significant life transitions
that we've experienced in our life. Planning that that will
help you as a leader to adjust or wanted ministry
as you are growing strategy for adapting to change. He
gave you some of those. Minister d reminded us that
we be to a plan. We have to plan. We
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have to plan, we have to plan. And then we
did encouragement for those facing transitions. We gave some very
opening on this conversation and reference to things we had experience.
And then we even had a listener to come on
and say hey and say are you guys sisters? Yes,
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we are sisters. I don't know about you, Minister Dave,
but I really enjoyed this podcast on today and sharing
with every one. You know, Our hoping desire is that
you will hear something on this podcast that will really
cause you to get up and going with your life
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knowing that all things are possible through Christ, that you
can partner with your sister, that you can partner with
your brothers, that you can partner with your aunts and
uncles and ministry, and that it can be successful, it
can go forth the way that God has planned for
it to do. If you had ask my sister and
I if we were going to be doing a podcast
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a year this time last year, we'd have been like,
what a podcast?
Speaker 2 (39:54):
And not because of her, but because of me. So
because I you know, I just never saw myself right here.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
You know, She's always been the very outgoing one, and
things like this I just don't usually do but transitioning.
And you know, when she came up with this idea,
I was like, Okay, so it seems to be working
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really well. So it's yeah, I think it's really coming along.
We're getting stronger and stronger, more comfortable as we come
on each and every time. We're still trying to feel,
you know, our way of what works for the podcast,
what to share and all those kind of things. And
so I'm just so very grateful but that I have
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my sister, Minister d my real sister not just in ministry,
but my baby sister, to really do ministry with me. So, Minister,
did is anything you want to say before we bid?
Them very well. For today, I would just tell you
know everybody that always keep God first, and keeping God first,
you can be successful at anything that you have going
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on in your life. I agree with you, So until
next time, we want to encourage you to continue to
be blessed of the Lord.
Welcome back, Welcome back, welcome back. I am Pastor T
and we are so excited to have you with us
today for Sisters and Ministry, our podcast with my sister,
Minister D. Welcome everyone, and yeah, we're happy to be back.
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We had a few days of just getting settled. You know,
we've been lifing. That's as the kids say, we've been
lifing everything from you know, from school, going back to school.
Ministry is the teacher to us, doing different things in ministry,
expanding the ministry, growing, So it's been a lot of
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things that we've been busy getting done for the Lord,
as well as doing our other jobs and things that
we do in conjunction with that. Minister D, do you
want to welcome everybody and tell them what we're talking
about out today?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Oh, welcome everyone.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I'm glad to be back, happy to be here to
be on there with my sister. Okay, I think I'll
go ahead and let you. I got a bit distracted,
so I let you listen and then listen. We're today
we are talking about navigating change, adapting to life's transition.
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We have been just going going, I can tell you
by the time we get to you and you all
see us on that we've done four or five things
that day, and so I'm just so excited that I
still have this opportunity to come on with my sister
and for us to share in this topic that we're
talking about today. We're emphasizing how change is an inevitable
part of life and an inablele part part of ministry.
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So Minnester d if you don't mind, I'm gonna hop
right in and we're we're gonna talk about the first
part because we really want to encourage those that are
in ministry and kind of give them some ways that
they can navigate major life transitions in their life. So
we're gonna start out with just talking about significant life transition.
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Our discussion. We're gonna tacknowledge that life is full of
Let me just start by saying that full of changes,
whether it's moving to a new city, starting a new job,
or experiencing shifts in our ministry focus. Life transitions, you
better hear me today can be challenging but also present
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opportunities for personal and spiritual growth. Right now, we're gonna
just hop in and talk about some things about examples
of how transitioning in our life and in the ministry,
what that looks like and how you as a leader,
how you can adapt to the change in your life.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yes, and this go ahead?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
What do you think about that? Some important changes and
what can we tell leaders in reference to what happens
when you have to readjust and move and do a
big life transitions. Yes, well it's not always easy. I
will say that from the jump, it's not easy. A
lot of times you have to.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
First. You have to always put God first and uh
some of the.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Tests that you're getting ready to endeavor and endure as
far as transitioning, sometimes can be a bit overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
But I think that if you know you are planning
and all of that, you know, sometimes we don't.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
We can't plan because you get to you have your
plans and then life has its own plans. I could
just as far as going back to school, I thought
I was going to be able to do the the
PD days and also go to prayer and do all
the things that I usually do, and it didn't quite
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work out like that because it ran over. So when
you're when you're planning to uh do your ministry and
things like that, you always have to have a plan
in place, just in case that don't follow you can't
follow through with the original plans.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
So I would recommend for.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Those that are in charge of ministries, that have ministries
that partner in ministry to always just keep a plan
in place in case they're not able to make it,
or just whatever might come up in transitioning, whether it's
you're moving somewhere else, or work or whatever it is,
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just keep a plan in play and always have someone
in place that you can depend on to do what
you need done in case, you know, life happens. Yes,
and one thing that I would suggest as well, I
agree with you wholeheartedly, Minister d. Another thing is is
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that we as leaders, we have to remember sometimes that
things that they will get off track, it won't be
at that same time for some unforeseen reason. We may
have to change the time. We have to learn to
be flexible. We can't be so tied in and so
in that if it doesn't go off at that time,
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if it doesn't happen the way that we wanted it
to happen, then oh my goodness, we just you know,
just thrown off track and we can't get it done.
While in ministry, yes, what we do is important. Where
when it solds for Christ. That's what we do, that's
what we've been called to do, to share the Word
of God with others. Alongside that, and you're doing a
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regular job as well as we call it in your career,
and as my assistant, Minister d A stated, you are lifing.
Then you have to really, really, as she said, have
plans in plays. I learned Minister D over time in
that that I had to learn how to if I
can't do it, get someone else to do it, or
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if it looks like it won't happen, reschedule it. It's
nothing wrong with saying, hey, it can't happen this time,
I have to reschedule right or some unforeseen reason you decide,
hey it would be better if I did it at
a letter time. This be flexible, be open, as Minister
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D was stating, and allow the Holy Spirit to direct you. Yeah,
there is some calmness in the madness. You can calm
down and say, hey, you know, I can get a
handle on this. But if you think as a leader
that every time things are going to go this way,
that way, this way, that it won't happen that way.
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So yeah you will and then sometimes like me, I
can feel like, hey, I can do it all. When
it started out that morning, by the end of the day,
I discovered that I overloaded my plate. It was too much,
and so something wounds up falling through the cracks. Minister
d Yes, I agree with everything that you have said,
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but I feel that if the planning is proper, you know,
if you just go ahead and make a plan, make
a plan, get your people, help people in place where
you don't have to worry about it. You can call
them at a moment's notice because they already know what's
going on.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Is I think great teamwork.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
It's the success of any ministry or any kind of
ministry that you want to do, any activities in the
ministry life that you want to try to pursue, you
always have to have an action plan. So I would recommend,
like uh, Minister Pastor Ta, I'm sorry, Pastor T said, you.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Know, planning.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yes, that's that's exactly what you have to do, and
that's what need to be done. And you might not
get everything still done, but it'll be in place and
it'll work out better if you have a plan in place.
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I agree with you. Yes, if you're not if you're
not having a plan, then you're planning to fail. And
so that's what my pastor uh bitch body Chimes would
always say. If you if you don't plan, then what
you're doing is planning to fall. And I love what
you said. TeamWorks, people, teamwork. There's no iron team. Teamwork
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it makes the dream work and so all of us
working together, we can get it done. Now. I can
be extensive when it comes down to planning. I have
calendars on the walls and all that kind of stuff
where everybody's like, oh my goodness, I have, you know,
short term, midterm, term, long range goals. But that's how
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I kind of keep everything in this proper perspective. Now
does that mean that things don't fall through the crack, Well,
of course it doesn't, because life happens. And when that happens,
I agree with Minister d that you have to have
people in place that you can count on, that you
can call and say, hey, I was supposed to teach
this Bible study. I was supposed to do this prayer meeting.
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I was supposed to, you know, teach this. I was
supposed to preach this, not getting to do it. Hey,
I'm going to send you my notes. Can you please
pitch it for me today. And it makes a world
of difference when you have someone that you can count
on to do that. So I agree with you wholeheartedly
in reference to that. And then for those that may
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be facing transitions like this very moment, meaning things like
they may be I have had a significant loss, yeah,
something like that. You know, Isaiah forty says, it reminds
us of His strength and of God's presence in our life. Listen,
losing loved ones, all of that is a part of
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our life journey, growing and witnessing how God can do
things in a new way in our life. That's something
that's you know, that goes along with life. Then having
some patience and trusting in God's timing, that's very crucial
as a leader, as one that's in ministry. And then
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a lot of times, you know, I can feel like
things are very uncertain. But if we keep our eyes
on God and trust Him and be open and available,
that's the part, open and available, then you will be
able to face any kind of transition as a leader,
As a ministry leader, and as you know, anyone that's
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doing ministry as you are going forth, what do you
have to say ministry. Do you what do you think? Yes,
I think it's most important to always keep the mindset
of God being the head of everything. I think a
lot of times I have so much going on and
I might have to go and someone wants you to
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pray or do something, and you're going and you're you know,
you're always anxious.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I know that I'm always anxious when it comes to
doing ministry.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
And I said, oh God, I don't think I've prepared myself,
prepared myself another to do this and when I get there,
because you have to keep your relationship solid with God,
and God just take over. He take over and everything
falls into place. So if you keep your relationship with
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God first, everything else will fall in place. What needs
to be said can be said, what needs to be
done can be done, and I think it will it will,
all you know work out, And just.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Keep yourself prayed up, keep yourself, study.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Your word, do all those things where when you feel
like you can't get it together and it's too much,
you'll walk in the room and God, I have it
all ready for you.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
To just open your mouth and what you need to say,
what you need to do will work out.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So that's past that well before we go ahead, and
when this happened earlier, when I was on another podcast
with our brother earlier with his new show that he
came out with, someone wrote from the gaming platform. Remember
now we're not just connected through YouTube, We're not just
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looking through Facebook, but also the gaming And so Amanda said,
are you guys sisters? Yes, we're not just taking sisters
and ministry. We really are sisters. Sisters. We had the
same parents, had the same parents, and so we are.
So I'm the older sister and this is my beautiful
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baby sister, Minister d and so yes, we are really
sisters and ministry doing ministry together. So thank you for
your question. We always want to stop and just say
acknowledge you guys. When you're tuning in, you ask us questions,
but yes, answer your question. Yes we are really sisters.
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Were Minister dem Al cut you off when you were sharing.
I agree with you and all the things that you
were saying. You know, life can be so uncertain when
you're doing things, especially when you're trying to because with us,
we were raised with excellence. Everything that you do was
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it had to be done. The next we had a
mama that you weren't gonna do whatever you want to do,
the late lady ben Rose at more Merriwell, you were
gonna do what you wanted to do. You were gonna
dress the way you were supposed to, You were going
to do what you were supposed to do, what was
expected of you. And you know, growing up, you know,
I didn't see it for what it was, uh, not
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knowing that it was preparing us for all the things
that we were going to have to do ministry, and
to do it at a level that would be exceptional.
And so I thank them for that. I think my
mother for that. You know that she made us God
fearing women, and she taught us how to be women
of God, and so I think and praise God for that.
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But she also taught us how to navigate things when
we face them in our life strong and to stay
strong and to be okay with things, and that she
reminded us constantly, whatever great person to talk to if
you were going through something, because she was going to
remind you that you are victorious and that you can
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do it. Minister d h, Yes, I agree. We were
most definitely raised in excellence. Everything about my mom. You know,
if you're in church and your doing something. She had
a look about herself that you knew that you were,
you were getting ready to mess up, or you had
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already messed up. So all of that helped, Like my
sister said, all that helped shape us into who we are.
And you know, not so long ago, I went back
home for a women's conference and I really not only
did they raise us in excellence, but the churches that
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my father pastored.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
When I look at everything and I was able to.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Just really see, I realized we were even raised up
under people in the church that were of excellence. But
sometimes it takes you growing and too mature to realize that.
And it was just an extreme honor to know. And
I said, man, my dad, he really had it together.
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My mom, he really chose and he was really careful
about who he had us, had us around, so we
couldn't do anything but be excellent in the end because
we were under a lot of great people. And I
just thank God for my parents for every thing that
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they taught. My mom, Yes, she was very strict when
it came to church. Everything we've done, we had to
do it in excellence. When it came to my mother,
she wouldn't accept any less, we had to do it
decency and in order. She was a great steward of time.
She was a great steward of things, carried out things
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in order, in an orderly fashion, and she groomed us
in that way, whereas we knew the proper way of
doing things. I tell you, you have no idea When
I was, I think I was about fifteen, meybe fourteen,
I don't know. I went to miss miss Manners School
of Manners. I said, oh my lord, it was a
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lot and I had to learn how to walk. I
had to put this book on my head and walk.
I learned how to, you know, to walk the proper way,
how to cross my legs the proper way, just and
I said, my goodness, it was a lot of stuff too,
all of that. And I thought myself when it was happening,
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because my mom realized one day we were going to
transition from being children, young ladies, to women, to wives,
to all these things that we're doing now. And I
couldn't see it again. I thought that lady is crazy.
She didn't actually found a class to put me in.
When I'm sitting here, But you know what, it really
just groomed me and it is. It really caused me
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to be able when I'm in situations when i'm I
remember when I went to the President's Prayer breakfast and
I was serving on that team. I was just in
all how she had prepared us. I knew exactly what
to do, how to sit, how to e spawn you know,
how to engage. It was just to think back over
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our life. I was like, gosh, I never would have
imagined that this, all this preparation would lead to these
types of things in our life. I mean, they were
truly truly visionaries that see things I feel in the spirit.
They could see shifts and mud, things that we should
be doing and what we would become. I think they
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knew that, yes, I have to agree with you, and
she's just speaking lightly, you guys, because during that time,
at being the age fifteen and by me being the
youngest sister, of course, I've admired everything my big sister
was doing.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
And yes, Mom had her in a lot of things
because she was always in beauty pageants and different things
like that.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
And guess what she won.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
She would win, It would it would all everything.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
That was going on. She would always come home with
the trophy. So or whatever they were doing, she was
always first place. So for I think about what five
six years was running straight she won every time.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
All that I think prepared her to do what she
needed to do in those times.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
So it was a lot into all the things that
my mom was, you know, having us to do and
things that we learned. So she she don't talk about
that part, but yeah, she she won every beauty contest
that she was in. So that was those things were.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
At that time.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
That was that was excellent. So I have to tell you,
my sister. I have to tell you, my sister. I
didn't go into the Beauty Passion knowing that I was
gonna win the Beauty Passions because well one of our
members didn't. They just for me. They put me in
the pageant, right, And when they put me on the pageant,
I was like, oh my goodness. I thought it was
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like a talent thing because that was my thing. I
wanted to sing, and I thought I was, you know same,
and I was gonna get to do all those kind
of things. That's what I thought everything was. And so
when I got to doing all of these different things,
I said, man, and my mom said, and you remember
the things and when you go there, listen. You wanted
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to make sure you did the things you were supposed
to do because you wanted to really excel and for
your parents to shine. I wanted my parents to shine.
And then my mom always reminded me, as the oldest daughter,
I was setting the example for my baby sister and
also for my brother and things that were to come
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behind us. So it was a lot of responsibility. She
would always say, she and my dad, to whom much
is given, much is required. So I would constantly think, hey,
I've got to do this the right way. I got
to make sure that I try to do my best
and try to win. If I don't win, at least
place and those kind of things. And so there was
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so much that was, you know, really going on during
that time. But she was really really preparing us as
I look, because she was such a woman of God.
She talked. If people don't know, she talked Sunday school.
I mean faithfully, I taught Sunday school. She would speak
and share not just in the town, but everywhere she
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was how they say, they were requesting her all over
the place, and she would go and she'd have a
lineup and she contact me, and she said, Okay, now
this Saturday, you won't be able to reach me because
I'll be in Birmingham or I'll be over at this place.
So I'm gonna be down in hospital, and so you
will have to, you know, try to get with me
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later because I've got to do so and so and
this and that. And never knowing that we were gonna
turn into those church ladies because I used to say,
well go on church and lady and I would laugh
and all those kinds of things, and not knowing that, hey,
part of what she was doing would be come part
of our destiny and who we are, right right, Yeah,
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you were there more I think at the end for
the a lot of the things that she really once
my father passed that she began to do. I think
she began to you know, have even more engagements during
that time.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I would travel with her because I wanted to make
sure that she was okay, because she was so used
to having my dad, and you know, when you have
that spouse that is uh, that's for whatever you do,
and they're always there and you lose them, Uh, that's
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a big transition. So I would do my best to
try to make myself available, and you know, I wasn't
the only one that just you know, saying about her
as far as those things. You also came home sometimes
just to be with their on things. So during those times,
(24:04):
I think we were there when she needed us most. Yes,
I think you were, but you were there most of
the day to day because you lived there and you
were with her, and it was she would always say, well,
and your sister's going and I'm gonna call up to sing,
you know, she I'm gonna call up to sing or
they they She say, well, no, we got there and
D had to sing, and D had to introduce me,
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and then D had to do something else on the
program as well.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
And I said, did they give her Honorario And she said, well, no,
she came with me And I said, okay, Mom, And
so you know, just our whole life, because I think
a lot of times when people hear us talk and
we talk about it, and we're still focused on transitioning because.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
We're sharing with you on our life from where we
came from to where we're going and how you can
do that, and then sometimes how you don't see what's
going on that's actually going on in the background. That's
transitioning you into different things. Listen, it's not happenstance that
you got that promotion at your job. It's not having
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stance that you've been called into the ministry. Is not
happenstance that they appointed you over the particular ministry that
you're over there at the church or within the ministry
where you're serving. None of that is happenstands. The thing
is learning to be open to that transition because it'll
be a moment of transition and of change, and it
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may stretch you way more than you thought was possible
for you to do. But I tell you what, when
he opens that door, and I'm talking about the Lord,
when he opens that door for you to walk through, Listen,
if you say yes and walk through that door and
you look back, you'll say, man, this way right. And
then transitioning, I guess one of the biggest things is
(25:54):
do not get discouraged because a lot of times, when
you're in church and your transition and God's getting ready
to elevate you and move you to new things, it
seemed like everything at church just go crazy. It seemed
like people that you're normally okay with that church and
(26:16):
Sometimes it's not the people. Sometimes it's you know, you yourself,
but you have to stop and really really just look
at the situation. But a lot of times in transitioning,
you get discouraged. You feel like, oh my God, what
is going on here at church? Everybody's changing, everybody is
(26:36):
But what God is doing, he is preparing you for
your new endeavor with him. He's getting you ready because
a lot of times we have to get over the hurt,
the hurtful part of things before we can even go
to a different level. And I'm speaking from experience because
(26:58):
I had to learn everything thing that happened in church
is not to harm you. It is to help build
that character that you need is to help make you stronger.
And when situations come your way, you don't break in
that moment. You know how to handle it and you
know how to say, Okay, God, I need you to
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give me the words to speak to this person because
they have really hurt.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Me or they have really been rude to me.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
So it's just a when when you're transitioning, just remember,
like Pastor T said, it's your transitioning. So all that
come along with transitioning, So don't forget that I agree,
go ahead, mister b No, okay, so and then listen.
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In transitioning, sometimes there's a as you said, that things change,
but that changes now necessary. Sometimes it's a breaking away
of people that used to be your le's boon cooon
all of a sudden. No, it seems like, hey, I'm
calling you and I can't get you on the phone.
(28:11):
You don't see anything lining up, not even just that
some of the things that you used to making your
routine all of a sudden, it doesn't make any sense.
And you mean, well, you're transitioning to something else. Just
because you can't see it doesn't mean that something isn't happening.
And so what I learned to do is say, okay, Lord,
(28:34):
even though I don't know as a leader where this
is going, you're placing this in my heart and for
me to do. I am going to be obedient and
I'm going to step out on faith because and I
am going to do it. I can tell you there's
been times when we talked as sisters, real sisters and ministry,
(28:55):
and we've talked about things with the ministry, things that
we're doing trying to do, and we're going, wow, that's
a lot that may be too much to do, and
then the Lord will open that door. He'll he'll make
that way and we'll say, wow, this is what it
was all along in our lives, in our careers, in
(29:17):
our everything that we're doing, doors will open. I guess
what I'm trying to say to you. And sometimes we'll
be very hesitant. We won't want to pull away from
the norm. Okay, we're gonna go into the area now, minister,
to do where we don't like, to be uncomfortable for us,
(29:39):
comfortable feeling right. I don't know what's going on. This
is what I'm not used to. You have some as leaders,
they will shut down because it's like, oh, my goodness,
you asked me to do something else. Or if you've
been a regular I don't mean it in a bad way,
just someone that and you serve on the others, and
(30:02):
then all of a sudden, you're being elevated to be
the one that's the leader and you kind of shut down. No,
it's during those moments that you need to see that
in order for you to be who it is that
God has called you to be right right, you have
to be uncomfortable. Yes, to be uncomfortable, yes, yes, yes,
(30:24):
I agree Pastor Tea with that, but I guess I
would tell everyone don't give up, because again, really hard
during those times. If you have people that you can
talk to for spiritual help, spiritual guidance, that's great.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I was able to have my sister, and you know
I have brothers as well.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
But I've talked to her a lot about things at
church and times that I have God discourage.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
You know, she just kind of give it.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
To me the way it really is.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I can recall that I was at a revival, I think,
and I was talking to her.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
About it and I really really was wanting a word
from God and I really felt like, you know, they
didn't give me my word. And I told her, I said,
I felt like they just you know, wouldn't giving me
my word. And she put a question out there for
me that was real, and that made me realize that, Okay,
(31:34):
you know, sometimes it's just is not about you. That
word is not for you.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
And then she came back and asked a question, so
what so what they didn't give you that word?
Speaker 1 (31:50):
I mean, I mean, she just put it out there
in a way that it made me realize, well, you
know what, She's right and then to go on and
make me understand that, you know, even though you're wanting
that word, the word just was not that they were given.
You know how they go around and let me clarify
what I'm talking about. When they go around and they say,
you know, God told me to tell you so and so,
(32:12):
so and so or whatever, the message is that they're
giving different ones. And I was like, God, you know,
I'm waiting on a word from you. I'm waiting on
a word, and they every night no word from God.
But I didn't realize in that time that God, that
was not the way God was gonna give me that word.
(32:34):
And it was just in that moment she made me realize, Okay,
well you know it's not gonna be about you all
the time. And I was like, okay, because a lot
of people get discouraged if the pastor has a word
for a special person or someone tells someone different things
and they're in the transitioning phase of change and they
(32:56):
feel like, okay, God, I didn't get a word. They
just kept word. They didn't want to give me that word.
But no, they really didn't have a word for you.
They gave the word to who they had the word
for or from God. So a lot of times we
get caught up in that. And I don't want anyone
to feel discouraged because if someone said I have a word,
(33:18):
you don't receive that word. Because those are some of
the issues that I had as I got further into ministry.
I was still kind of at the baby stage with that,
but as I grew and grew, I figured out that, hey,
you know, if God have a word for you, he'll
get that word to you.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
So just remember that.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
And I'm speaking on the church part because I based
a lot of my decisions off what happened at church,
and I don't want anyone else to ever do that
because that's not God.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Elevating you by what the people think or what the
people have to say about you.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
So just remember that in your transition when you're transitioning
to new and different things. Pastors, Yeah, I agree with you.
It's so important. We've all experienced, and you know, I've
been writing on a book here this summer about getting
past church hurts so that it won't stop you from
being who God has called you to be and doing
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the things that He has assigned to your hands. Because
here's what I've learned over time is never going to
come the way I thought it was going to come.
It's never going to happen that way and so, and
then once it happens, you look back and you say, wow,
I never saw it come in that way. Okay, Lord
on that time when you know, I was at church
(34:44):
and I couldn't believe they did so and so. I
couldn't believe they said so and so, and I can't
believe they gave that to somebody else. And I've been
doing so and so and so and so. I can't
tell you how many times I've experienced that over my lifetime.
But guess what, God had something else in mind. And
I had to learn during that waiting season, doing that
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transition season, somebody else may be in summer, and he
got you still over in women, and it's okay to
be in wonder because it's not time for you to
be in summer yet. So I had to learn over
time to be okay, now, do we have those moments?
Come on? Leaders, I know where you're in the leader's meeting,
(35:27):
and it seems like the leader if you're not the
pastor because I'm talking to everybody, if you're not the
pastor or a minister. But you're a ministry leader and
you feel like the pastor is always calling on this
other person. That's because they're calling on this other person.
It does not mean that you're not valuable on the team.
(35:48):
Sometimes it's a work that's being worked inside of you.
And I said, Lord, I tell him that work though
that's inside of you. It can feel like a lot.
So I agree with you, mister d It can be hurt.
It can hurt you. It can make you feel rejected,
It can make you feel like wanting to give up. No,
you have to stay course, but a lot of it
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when you're going through. Remember, now you gotta grow. You
can't get you how am I going to have a
testimony but never a test I can't get you a
testimony without having a test I can't stay that he'll
bring you through something if I never went through anything.
I can't say that he'll open doors and make a
(36:34):
way if I've never experienced thinking that the door may
not open, that this way may not come. And so
in life, in order to grow as a leader, in
order to grow in ministry, in order to grow in
your spiritual walk, you have to know that every single time,
as you stated, and I agree with you. It's not
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about you. It's all up about out him. And remember
his thoughts are not your thoughts. His ways are not
your ways. And so you will not be able to
time and make a deal in a bargain with God
to try to get what you want. It won't go
when it's time, it's time. And here's the thing I love,
(37:20):
minister D, is that when it happens, it happens in
a glorious way that you know Holy God could have
done it. You feel like just shouting and running and
hollering when it happened, like I can't know. I never
would have thought, Jesus, this is what it was. Lord, Okay,
So I just I agree with you. Don't give up, yeah,
(37:40):
and don't go defeat it because if he said it,
if he revealed that to you, it's coming. That day
is coming right today, and you have to be okay
with that, right right, that's right. Well, let's see, Minister D,
I talked a lot about that. Let me see here. Yeah,
(38:03):
we didn't went on on We've been just really talking here.
Let's see. I want to make sure that everyone kind
of got the main points that we were sharing, which
was that we were talking about navigating change as a leader,
as a pastor, as a minister, adapting to life transitions,
be it at home, school of playing. We talked about
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some of the stories and shared some significant life transitions
that we've experienced in our life. Planning that that will
help you as a leader to adjust or wanted ministry
as you are growing strategy for adapting to change. He
gave you some of those. Minister d reminded us that
we be to a plan. We have to plan. We
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have to plan, we have to plan. And then we
did encouragement for those facing transitions. We gave some very
opening on this conversation and reference to things we had experience.
And then we even had a listener to come on
and say hey and say are you guys sisters? Yes,
(39:07):
we are sisters. I don't know about you, Minister Dave,
but I really enjoyed this podcast on today and sharing
with every one. You know, Our hoping desire is that
you will hear something on this podcast that will really
cause you to get up and going with your life
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knowing that all things are possible through Christ, that you
can partner with your sister, that you can partner with
your brothers, that you can partner with your aunts and
uncles and ministry, and that it can be successful, it
can go forth the way that God has planned for
it to do. If you had ask my sister and
I if we were going to be doing a podcast
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a year this time last year, we'd have been like,
what a podcast?
Speaker 2 (39:54):
And not because of her, but because of me. So
because I you know, I just never saw myself right here.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
You know, She's always been the very outgoing one, and
things like this I just don't usually do but transitioning.
And you know, when she came up with this idea,
I was like, Okay, so it seems to be working
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really well. So it's yeah, I think it's really coming along.
We're getting stronger and stronger, more comfortable as we come
on each and every time. We're still trying to feel,
you know, our way of what works for the podcast,
what to share and all those kind of things. And
so I'm just so very grateful but that I have
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my sister, Minister d my real sister not just in ministry,
but my baby sister, to really do ministry with me. So, Minister,
did is anything you want to say before we bid?
Them very well. For today, I would just tell you
know everybody that always keep God first, and keeping God first,
you can be successful at anything that you have going
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on in your life. I agree with you, So until
next time, we want to encourage you to continue to
be blessed of the Lord.
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