Did The Broncos Draft The Rookie Of The Year?

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#Broncos #BroncosCountry #NFL #DenverBroncos #NFLDraft On today's episode, the LTB crew reviews the Denver Broncos' 2025 NFL Draft class and assigns grades to each selection! Check out the website: https://letstalkbroncos.com/ Altitude Adjustment Shop: https://altitudeadjustmentshop.com/ Catch the Let's Talk Broncos Podcast Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays on the Let's Talk Broncos YouTube, by clicking subscribe below and ringing the bell for notifications, or by searching 'Let's Talk Broncos' wherever you listen to podcasts!!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Does it go.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
Hello, everybody, welcome, It's another edition of Less Talk Broncos.
We're back.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
We are rolling every Sunday as you guys have been
getting this offseason, super fun stuff. Rookie minni caamp is here.
I am more happy than ever not to be a
fan of the Cleveland Browns pennicamp.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
It's a shit show out there. Honestly, the BRONC is one.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
It seems like it's a lot like of a tighter ship.
It's not as much of as a media frenzy. And yeah,
I'm just excited to see how the rookies are doing.
And I'm happy that we're not breaking down every single
clip and being like, oh, how's Dylan Gabriel doing.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I'm happy, man.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
And you got a field level view of like mini
camp drills where they're going up against guys who aren't
even Udfa's guys that are just there for rookie mini
camp tryouts. And then you see beat riders, not in
Denver because they just they can't really eat out clips,
but Cleveland and in other areas making sweeping determinations on

(01:05):
players based on like the most meaningless practice reps there are.
So you know, this is then installing stuff, learning what
the routine is like at the Broncos facility, and like
just learning the ropes so when the Vets get there,
everyone can just hit the ground running. It's I mean
it is uh yeah, No one's really doing that in Denver,

(01:29):
but I have seen some people being like way too
dramatic about what's happening in rookie camp and everybody just
hold off on any any takes. I'd say until at
least training camp.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
So I think you said it right, let's ut the
stage for it. I think mini camp for these rookies.
I mean, we've all had a job.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Right your first.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Second day on the job, you don't know what the
hell's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:52):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (01:52):
It's the same thing. It's training. That's pretty much what
these guys are going through right now in your day job,
when you're training for your new job. That's what these
guys are doing. It's installing, it's getting familiar with things.
That's the importance of Rooky mini camp. That's why they're
earlier there, earlier than the Vets, because they need that
installation so that they can go and hit the ground running.

(02:15):
Win training camp does come around, you know, it's just
it's just getting familiar with things in the in the facility,
with the playbook, with coaches, expectations, things like that is
the main point of this. It is it's exciting to see,
you know, our Broncos back out there. I think there
are some things it's like, man, oh, he looks bigger
than we thought. You know, there's certain things that you

(02:36):
can pull.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Harvey's squads. Harvey's squads are goofy man. I don't know
if you've seen the photos.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah, he made he made Chris Simm's All leg and
ass Team this aasseason, so he has a theme for
that every year of the rookies and r J. Harvey
was the running back for that one.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
I think it's just like you said, orientation and then like, uh,
keep bonding and camaraderie. I think that all that's really
all they're getting out of it.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well, I think some other things we can get out
of it are Zach. Are these rookies and you know,
we get to see them in the pressors. This is
our first time get to see them talk to to
Broncos media, see how they interact with our media, see
what our media can pull out of these rookies, and
I kind of want to get into some of these.
We're going to react to four clips before we get

(03:26):
into the meat and potatoes of this episode. This first
one is John A. Baron kind of speaking about getting
to know the other rookies on the team and you know,
bonding with everybody.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
So let's play it.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
I mean, right now, we're in a hotel together.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
We're always together, so you know that kind of that
kind of forms it, but it takes a personal level
for you to go talk to those guys.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Getting the code, tub with those guys and just enjoy it.
But we're all enjoying the process.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
We're all we're all truly blessed to be here undrafted
to draft it. If everybody has the same opportunity, the
same chance to be somewhere where they want to be
in life. So just to just to take full full
throttle on what you have the opportunity to do.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Is this amazing. So everybody's just here trying to control
the controllables.

Speaker 5 (04:05):
But I mean, we're all day, we're eating together, were
just means together, so we're just having a good time.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Zach.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
I think with this one kind of just points to
as the type of person you're getting with joad A Baron,
I think you're getting an excellent locker room guy. Even
going to the media and being one of your first
statements is just how much you're enjoying your teammates right
off the bat. It speaks to some of that leadership
stuff that we were talking about, not being shy, not
going in there and being like, hey, I don't know

(04:32):
who to interact with who I don't He's going in
there and trying to make friends right away with the
locker room It's a small thing. It's it's not a
huge thing, but something that kind of shows what like,
it's part of the reason why he killed those pre
draft interviews. That's something everyone always talks about with Barons man.
You had him in those interviews and he killed every
last one of them.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah, and you got to see some of it too
when he was interacting with Harvey. I think after they
were done talking with Baron, they talked with hert and
he joined the media, you know, and was like, why
do you have to juke out John A barn like that,
you know, talking to the third person, and got Harvey
to crack up with it and I don't know, I

(05:13):
just think the character obviously, that's been something that's been
talked about a lot coming out of the draft, but
now we're getting to see it for ourselves. And just
as someone who's been in these scrums, been in the
locker room and everything, players don't always act that way.
Like some players are more reserved. Some players are straight
up uncomfortable and don't you know, more introverted, right And

(05:36):
I think you can see already like R. J. Harvey
has a good personality. We'll get to some clips in
a second here. Pat Bryants Victory lap is saying in
the comments that looks great. You know, he's very affable.
And you know Jeremy Crosshaw, we interviewed him on KOA,
he was very affable. I'm sure it goes for the

(05:57):
rest of the bunch too. They clearly have a vision
in terms of the type of people they're looking for
in the draft.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Absolutely Well to the football player. You know, we just
got a sneak peek on him as the person the
football player. Sean Payton spoke about that. Let's let's see, well.

Speaker 6 (06:13):
The same things again. You know, we're putting in some
bass coverages. I would say, exactly what we saw on tape,
smart savvy. If you're watching closely, some people transition and
stop very quickly. He's got really quick twitch.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
It's a sticky in coverage.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
But I think.

Speaker 6 (06:40):
You know he's he's one of those players that already
at a young age, understands splits. You know. I worry
sometimes with the corners that defend. If you're defending every route,
you're defending no route. And he's real savvy as to
a tight split. He eliminates eighty percent of what could
be run, you know. And so man, you feel a

(07:03):
veteran player.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
This clip is from Luca Evans of the Denver Post Sack.
What did you get from that one?

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (07:11):
I think you just one the testing thing I think
stands that are not testing. But the agility, the short
area quickness, the stop start ability stands out because that's
one testing data point we didn't have on Johday. Baron.
He didn't do any of the agility testing throughout the process,
which did surprise me because it did look good on tape.

(07:32):
The fact that the coaches are seeing it and it's
looking good now in practice, and of course these coaches
lie I think to specifically go out of your way
to point it out after the first practice, it's one
of the first things you highlight with the player. I
don't think you're highlighting a point of weakness as a
point of strength like that. Like, I don't think that's
the type of lie you see in these press conferences.

(07:54):
So I think that's nice to hear that, not that
it was a major concern, but just a little a
question mark I had that I feel more secure in now,
and then, you know, I think it just confirms kind
of what we thought about the play already. You know,
the last clip we talked about how we thought Baron
was this great guy. This clip kind of evidence is it? Well,

(08:16):
we thought Baron had a high football IQ, had great
instincts and feel for the position. And you know, after
what two practices, Sean Payton is praising it to the media.
And Peyton's not a guy like outside Bowen Nicks. He's
not a guy who's super effusive with his praise towards
players in the media.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
No, he's definitely not. He's definitely not. He's one of
those guys. I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't know
the names some of the bottom of the rockster guys
or some debinely some of these udfas, he's gonna bey
fifty six.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
That's how he's.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Gonna be addressed in some of the dudes out there.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
But no, I think what stood out to me is
the you know, speaking a little about how he plays
like a vet. I think that's that's what most stands out.
It's notice belond tape. But to hear it early while
you're in rookie mini camp, it's I praise from your coach,
I you know. I think I think a lot of
the time you go in with these rookies and you
expect it to be a learning curve right off the bat.

(09:11):
So for him to be hey, he plays like a
veteran player at the end, it's a big deal.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
I like that quote.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Let's move on to r J. Harvey though we got
two clips from RJ Harvey as well, or about RJ Harvey.
We'll go to the first one, iss Sean Payton talking
about him in Passpro about Frost.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
When it comes to pass protection and running back.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
So at what point will you be able to know
that you trust Harvey and Passpro?

Speaker 4 (09:35):
Did it take all of that?

Speaker 6 (09:36):
Yeah, well, when you think think about this and look
at Sprolls Camara, there's a lot of different backs we've
had that we can create different protections to make sure
that the matchup's right. You know, we'll have a handful
of different because I know the question is he a
three down back, Well, he's gonna play on third down

(09:58):
and and then but he could play on third down
where the tight end is in protection opical. So there's
a lot we can do relative to really suit his strengths.
And it would happen occasionally with Darren where you know,
I'd say to them, every once in a while, you
might get matched up on Navarro, Bowman or Willis and

(10:22):
I'm not going to make a habit of doing that.
But but if you watch his stature, and I mean
he's put together pretty well. So there's a difference between
a small runner and a short runner. We're not interested
in the small runners, but we're okay with the short runners.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
That question is from Andrew Maas. I got to give
him credit on that one because that's a good question.
That's something I think everyone is questioning with the draft
pick mostly is okay, So what are you planning on
doing him? With him on third DAP. Now, I found
this interesting because you know, he brought up Zach about, hey,
we can do different things, right, it's not all the
time the running back has to be the one the

(11:00):
extra pass protector back there. We could keep the tight
end in and you know, he brought up, oh, well,
that's what we did without Alvin Kamara and Darren Sproles,
and we've done different creative things like that. It makes
a ton of sense. But with that, the way you
validate doing that is if R. J. Harvey is a
real deal pass catcher. That's how you validate that. Yeah,

(11:24):
because you're you're you're pulling in your tight end who
is a pass catcher most of the time, and you's
you're using your running back as the pass catcher. You're
you have to validate it somehow. I find it interesting.
I I just it's curious because the pass catching stuff.
You know, he has all the tools and makings of
a really good pass catcher in the NFL. I think

(11:45):
he just wasn't utilized as it as that type of
guy at UCF. So it's a projection, but clearly the
Broncos are putting.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Him in that bucket.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
You know, that he's being mentioned with Sproles and Kamara,
which I have interesting.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
Yeah, and you know, we'll have another clip here in
a second, but Peyton and him sat down and watched
Sprolls and Kamara tape together. So clearly Peyton's trying to
kind of hammer this into him too, not only mentioning,
mentioning it publicly to the press. So yeah, I think
that's the role they're going to have him, and he
seems to be the joker. I hate to say it,

(12:24):
but you know, I think, I know that's been such
a headache, but uh yeah, I just I'm excited to
see that this season. You know, his impact in the
receiving game, and it is a projection, but I think
what you saw at UCF is really promising. You know,
he I think only had one less target. It's one lesser,

(12:46):
one more target than Trevion Henderson last year, you know,
who's described as a like ready made pass catching back,
and it might not be, he might not be quite
at that level, but I think it looked pretty good,
you know, from a route running perspective, not that he's
running like super advanced things, but you see him cut well.

(13:06):
I think on angles he can run a wheel down
the sidelines, he tracks the ball well, I think he's
a fairly natural catcher of the football. So it is
a projection there, but I think it's a fairly safe bet.
And the part of that clip I really loved is
what he said at the end with the you know,
we're not interested in small backs, but shortbacks we don't mind.

(13:26):
And that's important to remember with R. J. Harvey, he's
from like, yeah, no exactly. From a height and weight perspective,
he's not that different from Ashton gent or Trevion Henderson,
who are the two best pass protecting backs in this
draft class. You know, he's he's not the pass protector
that they are, but it's not because he doesn't have
the physical ability. And look at the quad photos. I

(13:47):
know we mentioned him before, like that's a guy who
can lay like set up a solid foundation or like
a solid based like plant anchor, and you know helps
him as a as a blocker.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Well, I think like the part that people tend to
realize about those is too like being shorter at running
back is usually a good thing. It's just usually when
you're shorter, you're weighing less as well. Where it gets
a problem is honestly the opposite direction. If you're you
could be too tall at running back. You don't want
a running back running straight up and down. That's not

(14:19):
what you want. You want someone that's able to run
behind their pads, like.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
So many of the.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Like, uh, you know, Sean Pagne used one. Mark Ingram
is a great example. Would we describe mark Ingram as
a small running back? No, he's just a.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Shorter running back, is CJ. Anderson?

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Would you describe him as a small running back or
a shorter running back? Like, there's these guys. It's it's
honestly a good thing when they're shorter, because it's it's
harder to get a hit on them.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
It's harder to chop their legs.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
He's got better leverage because he's so short. In like
this fucking fire hydrant.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
It's u the best example I have of the straight
up and down running. Whenever I think of it, the
guy comes in my head. You remember Ryan Matthews on
the Chargers.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
Yeah, the San Diego guy. Yeah?

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, Ryan Matthews was the most straight up and down
runner I feel like I ever saw man. And what
came with that a shit ton of injuries same thing
with uh Darren McFadden. Darren McFadden, straight up and down
runner when they're getting open field, they are going right,
but man, they are easy to chop down from the legs.
You want a guy that's able to run behind his

(15:31):
pats and protect himself, fight for those extra yards and
stuff like that. We have another clip here though, let
me pull it up real quick. It's r J Harvey
now talking about the roles.

Speaker 7 (15:41):
I want to be like those guys, you know, like
Darren Spots, like mad he went crazy with the Saints,
Comarra too. So I want to be better than those guys.
So I'm gonna work to you know, work every day,
get better and uh, you know, just prove myself to
all of its and uh the coaches and uh you know,
I want to make a.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Media impact in this league.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
So yeah, I mean I love it. It's really interesting.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
You brought up how Sean Payton was watching the film
of those guys with r J.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Harvey.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Kind of shows you, right. I think I don't think
Sean Payton's sitting down to watch the film with.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Any of the other guys past r J.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Harvey maybe a little maybe a little, right.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
But like it shows like, oh, you have a real
place here. This is uh.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
I am envisioning you, envisioning you in this offense, and
this is the role right now. I'm envisioning you in it.
Get used to it because this is your role and
it's just taking time out of your head. Coaches, they
to watch film with a rookie right away is pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
Yeah, I agree, And I also love at the end
him talking about, you know, wanting to and looking forward
to making an instant impact in the league right away,
because that's what the Brockets are gonna need from him.
They're gonna need him to be a very large part
of this offense right away. You know, he as a rookie,
they're going to probably ask for him to contribute one
thousand plus yards and thousands probably on the lower end there.

(17:09):
How many players in this offense are going to generate
a thousand yards Sutton probably, you'd figure, and then who
else would you really guarantee beyond that? Like RJ. Harvey
could easily be the like number two weapon in this offense.
So gonna need to be an instant impact player. I
think he's got the potential to follow through on that promise.
So Yeah, I just I can't wait for even the

(17:30):
preseason to get here. I think running back is one
of the positions in the NFL where you can spot
it the quickest, even sometimes in the preseason, just like
this guy has it, this guy doesn't. And so I
just can't wait to get our eyes on RJ. Harvey.
I hope it's positive. No, not trading camp. Yeah, I assure.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Emphasize this right now before everyone. If I see you
people going out there talking about, you know, r J.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Harvey is actually going to be the one that looks
great estimate.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
It's gonna be estimate because there's gonna be no no tack,
lead or whatever, and it's gonna be or no because
Williams always Javonte Alway struggled in camp. That's what it was.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yeah, quote unquote struggled. It's just like, you know, he's
a fucking bulling ball dude, that's.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
His game. Yeah, there's no contact in that.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
R J.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
Harvey is gonna be electric. He's gonna look like Barry
Sanders training camp.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
I'll tell you, man, if you guys ever played high
school football, you know exactly what I'm talking about. In
the non contact practices before the season began, you had
that one dude on the team that was really small
and was hitting the craziest jokes on air you ever
saw in your life.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
You're like, damn, he's gonna be so good. And then
the moment.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Contact starts coming around, it's a little different. Montre Washington
number one example.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
Yeah, yes, it was like, damn, they might have found
something here, and then it's like they did not.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
No, No, he's just crazy at juking.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
That's what that.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
He's crazy and it makes it look good anyway.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
But now that we're done with with the clips here,
what Zach and I want to do is we're gonna
go down the rookie class. We're gonna start to pick one.
We're gonna kind of project the role are they starting
right away? What type of season are they gonna have
as far as like production, different things like that.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Zach, So, let's did I make that? Claire, Zach, do
you think? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Absolutely? And also really quick people watching after the fact
or in the livestream, let us know if you liked
the clips off the top, I think we might do
more of that, you know, as we start getting more
interviews with these players and everything. But if you guys
don't enjoy it, we won't do it, so let us
know one way or the other. But yeah, I think

(19:42):
now that they're starting to get on the field, we
can start to figure out how these guys might impact
the team in twenty twenty five. And I also think
trying to look at the roster and just like the
path to playing time for all these players is really
important for you know, just what kind of impact they'll

(20:02):
have and what their path to development and you know
role with the team might be. You know, like Jeremy
Crosshaw not take it away ahead of us here, but
Jeremy Crashaw is gonna have one of the biggest Ricky
impacts on this team just by being the second to
last pick. So I think he.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Already won his job.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
It's funny, all right, let's get it started right off
the top, Round one pick twenty Jad Barn We watched
the clips. You know, Sean Payton described him as a
player that reminds me of a vet right away as
a rookie. Zach, I mean, I think this one's pretty simple.
I'm gonna just say he's a starter right off the bat. Now,
role is where I think there's a little discourse I've

(20:43):
seen online on where do you play him? Is he
outside corner? Is he a nickel corner? Is he kind
of a hybrid. I've even seen some people say, man,
maybe he plays some safety. That was something that I
saw a popular come out of the draft. When he
was coming out of the draft, I think what you
see here from Johnny Barron, I've said it on the

(21:03):
podcast before, but for those that haven't heard it, I
think he's gonna be in a similar role to what
Trent McDuffie plays for plays in the Chiefs. Where in
base so base two corners, right, you don't have a
nickel in there, you don't have an inside corner.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
He will be an.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Outside corner opposite Patrick's ortan. But the moment you hop
into any sub packages so nickel dime, anything like that,
you're gonna see him play the nickel spot. Riley Moss
play the outside. I think this for a variety of reasons.
I just think he projects better as a nickel corner
than living on the outside due to some of the
length concerns. And then also if he had one weakness,

(21:45):
it was getting beat deep down the sidelines. And I
think being in the nickel he could be a headsy player.
You want him around the line of scrimmage with his tackling.
You know, Van Choseph is gonna blitz him. If you
went back and watched his junior tape, he Texas blitzed
him a ton from that nickel spot. So that's something
that translates to the Broncos right away. So that's kind

(22:07):
of the role I see him in, Zach.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Do you agree with me?

Speaker 4 (22:10):
Yeah, I think that's the role we're going to see.
But I do think it's something worth monitoring throughout camp
because there's also the path to play potentially at safety,
because McMillan is a solid nickel option they might have
faith in there. We know that second linebacker spot is
a big question mark. Do they feel like, hey, in

(22:32):
certain situations, maybe like clear passing situations, rather than putting
in Singleton out there next to green Law, let's put
like a coverage guy out there. So let's have Ufanga
be that player next to green Law, and we can
have Baron take kufangas spot at safety because he should
project fairly well at safety. Didn't do it in college,
but it should be something he's able to do pretty well?

(22:56):
Is he better there? Is he better at boundary?

Speaker 1 (22:59):
You know?

Speaker 4 (22:59):
I think that's to be a determining factor in terms
of how many snaps he plays. Ja Kwon McMillan last
year healthy for all eighteen games, was like a true
pure nickel cornerback. He played nine hundred ish snaps, just
around nine hundred. Certanne played around ten fifty. There's probably
twelve hundred or so defensive snaps out there, so it's

(23:21):
just where does it fall in that range between like
seventy five percent of the defensive snaps and one hundred
percent of the defensive snaps. You know, Moss being a
guy who's also you know, closer to that like one
hundred percent line. How much are they using him? And
as a rookie, I think is the biggest thing to
watch for because he has so many different avenues to

(23:43):
put potential playing time. I bet he's out there for
ninety plus percent of the snaps he's healthy for.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
I think it's silly to do stats for defensive players really,
and maybe maybe edge rushers we could do like sacks
or something like that. I think for I feel like
it's silly I'm not gonna make any I mean, in
a really great world, guys, honestly, Well, I guess he's
playing closer to.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
The box so he will get more taxes. But I
was gonna.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Say at corner, I don't want much production though, only production.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
I want R PBUs and I m t s. That's
about it.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
And I think and I fully agree. I think it's different.
I guess not that point. But in terms of we
might be calling Baron's name a lot because he's playing
next to Certan. You know, normally it is the corners
doing their job. If you're not hearing, you know, from
them a lot cliche. He could be doing a great
job and we'll still hear his name called plenty just

(24:40):
because he's not Pat Certan. So I think that's gonna
be something I'm interested to watch too. I think, yeah,
like he said, we can't really do stats, it's gonna
be more rules. I think he's gonna be that nickel
guy bounces around some at boundary, some at safety in
base defense looks and then he probably what you know,

(25:01):
I think he plays that role pretty well. Is one
of the better defensive rookies in this class. Being a
corner I don't expect him to get too much Rookie
of the Year buzz, but I think he'll be one
of the better defenders in this class.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
I'd be sick man.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
The BRONCOSCA is just what they need to add to
this pass defense, right. They already had such a great
pass rush last year, especially in the third and long
scenarios where their dressers could just pin their ears back.
Just adding a corner is only going to help. Adding
another cover guy. George Patin says it all the time,
you can't have enough cover guys. I think that statement
is a whole lot of ways true. Let's move on here,

(25:34):
r J.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Harvey right.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
We also watched clips of him round two, pick sixty, Zach.
I think I think the idea of starting running back
people could get that confused, especially in the Broncos where
it's kind of be a split backfield. But I think
r J o' harvey eats a healthy amount of snaps
for this for this running back team or for this
team at running back, I think he eats a very

(25:57):
very healthy amount of snaps. I think the most on
the team. If he starts all or if he plays
in all the games, is healthy The whole year for me, Zach,
I've been thinking about what my projected stat line for
him would be. Let me know if I'm off base here.
I'm looking at this as somewhere around nine hundred yards

(26:17):
rushing and then another three hundred yards receiving.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
My off, Sorry say that again. Nine hundred yards rushing
and three hundred yards receiving.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, my off.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
I don't think you're that far off. I was pulling
up the stats last year from last year's backs to
see what they had. They had about three hundred and
fifty carries to the running backs last year, maybe a
little under that, like three forty. You know, it was

(26:47):
a weird, weird backfield situation, though they probably weren't going
to run it as much as they wanted to if
they had a better running back situation. We don't know
if that'll be the case this year. Hopefully it is.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
I'll tell you right now. If the Broncos feel comfortable
in RJ. Harvey, the Broncos will run the ball more
than they did last year. So many games last year,
so many games last year, Zach, those wide receiver screens
were just in there because the Broncos didn't have any
faith in their run game at all. It was wide
receiver screen that we're using this as an extension as
the run. So I would bet heavy that the Broncos

(27:22):
run the ball more if RJ. Harvey is worth the
pick here in the second round.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
Yeah, you know, I think Javante Williams was getting like
what five point fifty this recent year, and he was
benched effectively like the last three four games of this year,
and he got seven fifty in twenty twenty three when
he was also fairly ineffective. I think Harvey can get you,
you know, up to nine hundred there. The three hundred
rushing yards is also in line with what I mean

(27:47):
Javonte had even two years ago when he was competing
with Smagi p Ryan for that role. P Ryan had
nearly five hundred. Javante had three hundred and fifty last year.
So I'd say maybe, if anything, the rushing number might
be a little high, the receiving number might be a
little low. Yes, it's a projection, but I mean if
Javonte was getting three hundred and fifty receiving yards in

(28:09):
this offense last year when he was just like catch
a checkdown and fall over guy, I think because Harvey
can take those on occasion twenty yards thirty yards, maybe
something like eight point fifty and four fifty might be
more of a four fifty is getting up to where
p run was like eight fifty and four hundred or

(28:30):
nine hundred and four hundred something like that.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Crazy you could have around per run though, I don't know.
I mean, if they the way they're talking about him,
it's like, man, they're gonna really really really get this
guy the ball on the receiving game, it's.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
Just and I fully agree the p Ryne numbers are
just that was so weird, you know, I'm just like,
that's not happening because it was just like wait till
the defense goes into prevent and then just like check
down to p run your way down the field, which
was crazy. But I do think he is so dynamic
after the catch. He can create some explosives in the

(29:05):
passing game. I think, yeah, he probably gets over four
hundred receiving a rounder. Over four hundred receiving.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
That'd be awesome. Man. And one thing about r J.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
Harvey two I've seen I think some people here's my
issue with the especially the Darren Sproles.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
One.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
This was a like sub package type of running back.
This was a guy that was in there for specific packages.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
I think RJ.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Harvey is less the receiver than Alvin Kamara, but more
the runner.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
But what I'm trying to say is that I think.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
He is.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
He is a lot more of a every down back
than it Darren Sproles was in his career. I mean, like,
this is where it starts to become what Sean Payton
said earlier in the clip that we play. He's not
a small running back. He's a short running back, and
he's proved it through his collegiate career. This is the
guy that got a ton of carries, a ton of
carries two hundred and twenty six carries in twenty twenty

(29:58):
three and two hundred and thirty t who.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Carries in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
I mean, the guy was their horse back there at UCF.
He was the guy their lead back, ran the hell out.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Of him and stayed healthy.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
He had an injury early in his career, but and
then came back and for two years in a row
was a horse for the Golden Knights. So I don't
think that it's an issue of hey, we can't get
him the ball a lot. His body won't be able
to hold up through it. I don't think that's J R. J.
Harvey's game. I think the Darren Sproules thing is a
little disservice if you're using it as a comp I

(30:33):
think i'd agree.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
I fully agree with that point. As for like projections
for this year, I think he could push for Offensive
Rookie of the Year. I think there's some clear people
that will be favored ahead of him, and for good reason.
Ashton Genty we all know why. Cam Ward, you know,
because he's a quarterback. I think he's got a great

(30:56):
chance Amari and Hampton and that Chargers offense that's going
to give three hundred carries this season, I think he's
got a great chance to compete for it. After that, though,
I think Harvey not that he's maybe the fourth option.
I think he's in a similar tier with everyone out
of those after those top three. When you look at
the line, he's going to be able to run around

(31:17):
or run behind, and just like the running ecosystem he'll
be in and the talent he has where I think
it could really really pop to maybe we're talking about
one thousand rushing yards and five hundred receiving yards or
eleven hundred rushing yards and five hundred receiving yards, which
isn't that dialed up from what we were just talking

(31:38):
about with like our realistic conversation, and would be right
in line with what got Alvin Kamara Offensive Rookie of
the Year. So I wouldn't say he's the guy I'd
picked to win it, but I would not be surprised
at all if we're in December and Broncos fans are
talking about r J. Harvey, how like Bucks fans were
about Bucky Irving last year, being like, this guy deserve

(32:00):
more love for Offensive Rookie of the Year, but he
might not have necessarily been getting there.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
One question I have for you, Zach on this.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
I think it's kind of interesting. The most carries Gravante
Williams had in the year was two one hundred and seventeen.
That was in twenty twenty three, so Sean Payne's first
year as a head coach. To break that down, he
was averaging around thirteen and a half carries per game.
Do you think that is attainable for R J.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Harvey?

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Do you think over under Dravante Williams career high in
rushing at times.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
Man, I mean the smart money would be on the under, right,
he is typically hesitant to trust rookies. We're talking about
the career high of a different player who was already
more established in the league, even if he was struggling,
So the smart bet would probably be under I think
it's extremely achievable for him to hit that. Maybe even

(32:52):
go over it, though, because who is competing with him
for those touches? Maybe Odrick estimate, but he you know,
struggled to leached them from Javante last year. If Harvey
lives up to I think Peyton's pre draft expectations, I
think they will feed him a lot. In terms of
total carries, it probably will be under that. In terms

(33:14):
of total touches, I bet it's over that.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Okay, I like it. I like it.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
And again, r J.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Harvey the last two years of college football had more
carries than Gravante Williams has had in his career as
a NFL player, Just to kind of show you that
he is a workhorse for those guys. Anyways, anyways, anyways,
Round three. Pat Bryant, wide receiver, Illinois. This one's a
little interesting, Zach, what do you see here for him

(33:42):
in his role.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
Yeah, I think it's going to be a smaller role admittedly,
just because how many snaps do you ultimately have to
go around, you know, in that receiving room. Not that
like it's stacked with a plus options right now, but
I do think it's fairly crowded. I think there is
room he could make up though, just because Little George

(34:06):
Humphrey's gone for now at least we'll see. But little
Jeorge Humphrey's gone. That's five hundred and fifty snaps, you know.
I it's how the slot snaps get broken out is
going to be really interesting. And then I think you
also you'll rotate some with Sutton and probably place them
at the X. I'm trying to see. Uh, Troy Franklin

(34:30):
played four hundred snaps last year and then wasn't very productive.
I'd say that's kind to be my floor for Pat Bryant.
I think Pat Bryant's much more of a Sean Payne
receiver than Franklin. Franklin spent what two thirds of last
year three quarters of last year it felt like in
the doghouse, where like he couldn't even get on the

(34:51):
field that Yeah, no kidding, but like just could not
get on the field, and so I wonder, like I
think at least, like I put the floor around what
Troy Franklin's role last year, which was what thirty receptions
for three hundred yards and then the three touchdowns, I'd

(35:13):
say he's yeah, very similar. There is going to be
used in a very different way, of course, and then
you're also going to see him more in the run game.
He's going to be a very impactful blocker on this team.
Wide receiver two might be a little rich for me.
I think Sutton and Valley are probably the top two guys,
and that's also why it's tough for Bryan, Like what

(35:35):
is Brian either the X or the big slot? Well,
who are probably the Broncos two best receivers, like true
wide receivers Sutton and Vlay where likes x's or power slots.
And then if you wanted to say three, you probably
throw in Evan Ingram, who as we talked about, who
plays some in line but he's kind of that power
slot type two. So how much how many of those

(35:57):
snaps can Bryant pull away?

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yeah, are going to be broken up, and I think
Evan Ingram eats most of those. I think like a
good good portion of that. I think Evan Ingram works
because I have a really hard time in Sean Payton
offense seeing Evan Ingram playing many inline snaps over Troutman,
who's just the much better run blocker there are just

(36:21):
blocker in general.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
I have a hard time seeing it.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
I don't think your run game at all with Evan
Ingram in there as your inline tight end, and you're
getting the same matchups when he's a power slot.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
So I think.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
But and then if I have him at the power slot,
he can be a useful blocker. I can use him
as just kind of a space player like Little Jordan
Humphrey was last year. Right, you saw Little Jordan Humphrey
beat effectively what was like their move tight end and
a lot of scenarios, which is what Evan Ingram would.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Be in that.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Okay, now I'm out in the power slot. Now I'm moving.
He has me motioning around and blocking in space. That's
gonna be Evan Ingram's role. Pat Bryant's going to be
interesting because of that. That's kind of where I envision
Evan Ingram getting most of his snaps so it's it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
I think he's a talented player.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
I think he's a guy that Sean Payton's are really
going to like and want to get on the field
a time. With that being said, like, I don't think
I see Pat Bryant taking many of the snaps at
outside wide receiver at either X or C this year.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
No, I do think this is why it's important that
Mims develops better as an outside receiver. Now. He can
be a good player without doing that, but there are
a lot of guys to feed that are maybe best
utilized in the slot in this Broncos offense right now.
And so I do think a big way to serve

(37:51):
or like to fix that problem or to help alleviate
that problem. I wouldn't fix it, but to help alleviate
it would be if Mims proves he could be primarily
used Outie Awesome Sutton's the X, Mims is the Z,
and then you have this platoon of varied power slot
options that we know Peyton likes, and I think that's
a group he'd be happy with, you know, let's roll. Yeah,

(38:15):
it is interesting to your point about him kind of
being that move tight end guy, I think, yeah, he
can be a mismatch weapon for Peyton, which we know
he loves on the inside, but in the sense where, hey,
if you put a cornerback on him to you know,
because he's not the fastest mover, you put a nickel
on him to try and lock him down in coverage,
He's gonna buoy the shit out of that guy in
the run game. You put a larger body on him

(38:39):
to help in the run fit, and he can maybe
abuse them in the passing game. So I wonder if
that gets utilized for Peyton.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
No, And I know, even like him competing on the
outside stack, Zach, I think Vala takes more of those
than he does. I think Troy Franklin as the Z
takes more of those than Pat Bryant does. I think
Marvin Mims and I think he's kind of buried more there.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
It's hard. It's hard to see you like he's gonna
have to climb frank.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
Snapping. Do you think Franklin wire old snapping this?

Speaker 3 (39:10):
No, because I think Pat Brian is more utility. I
think I could play.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Him at more spots than I can Troy Franklin.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Yeah, but I do think like if it's in a
scenario where I'm looking for a Z, I could see
Troy Franklin being the preferred option over at Pat Bryant.
That that's kind of my point, Like if I'm looking
at him at those spots like he is, it's hard
to see him climb up the ranks there. I think

(39:38):
even like the big slot, did you mention mentioned Trent Sherfield,
Like that's a.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
Guy he's And that's the other thing. He's also going
to be probably taking some snaps there. I think they've
added so much he'll be largely special teams, but he's
a he's a good enough blocker. I bet he's he
some work well.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
I And you know what, if he goes out there
and has like a really good training camp, I don't
see like Trent Surfield's not taking Pat Bryant snaps.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
If Pat Bryant is just.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Really good at the gate, right, Like that's that's something
we have to anticipate for as well. Or even I
could see it being a situation where Sherfield looks amazing
out of camp, and it's like man Vala looks like val.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
At, but.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Pat Bryant looks damn good. You might have to take
some of those Snaps. You know, training camp can change
some of this stuff. I don't think this while I'm
saying all of this, it's a tough climb up. But
none of these guys outside Courtland Sutton are good enough
right now to be like, if Pat Bryant, no one's
keeping him down, he can climb his way up. If
he's just really good like that, that's something could happen.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Certainly.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
I do think he's got a tougher path though than Franklin,
and I agree, I think he'll outsnap Franklin this year.
But at Z, like just looking at the Broncos depth
right receiver or who they have on the roster receiver,
that's not just like a camp body or Michael Bandy, Sutton, Mims, Valet, Bryant, Franklin,

(41:05):
Sherfield at Perry and then hell, let's throw in Michael
Bandy who's competing for Z Snaps, Mims and Franklin, and
that's probably I mean, maybe a little Valet well yeah, yeah,
but I mean, I don't know. I think there's a
much clearer path for those options than Slot just because

(41:27):
you're competing with Evan Ingram, with Valay, with Mims, with
Pat Bryant and then Sherfield too, who's a significant signing.
I saw some people saying, oh, well, this will all
get solved some when Sherfield gets cut. Sherfield's probably not
getting cut.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Three four or five six man six wide receivers make
the roster this year. That's interesting. That would be the
most in the Broncos Peyton air. I believe, right remember
five well, and then first year it was three.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Really some of that just because of how bad it's been.
And then like you would, Jim Franklin getting injured and
so he was an ir guy.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
But yeah, yeah, I mean, and I think all of
these are pretty much locks. I think Troy Franklin's the
most on the roster bubble out of.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
All these guys.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
I'm going through Sutton mems val at, Pat Bryant, Sherfield,
and then Franklin. I think Franklin would be the one
to watch in a.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
Training Surefield and Franklin are in a similar tier by
app Surefield's probably a little safer and then and then
but who's pushing for it? You know, like at Perry,
I know fans got excited with that idea. He's not
pushing those guys for that spot. Michael Bandy's not pushing
those guys.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Well, no, I mean, it could just be that they
want to keep five wide receivers instead of six, like
because they want to extra lineman or something.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
You know, you know, this thing could go different ways.
All right, Okay, we talked enough about that, bro round three. No,
We're all good. I'm having fun with the conversation.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Savian Jones defensive end LSU kind of an edge, kind
of hybrid interior, four eye guy that the Broncos drafted,
really long arms, big frame. I think, really good senior
ball from what I understand. I don't know how much

(43:20):
I see him playing in year one. I think he
will play some snaps. I just I don't think I
think he plays snaps in a situation where we kind
of have injuries or something like that, because I don't
think I want to see him year one. I don't
think he's ready yet. If I'm being honest with you,
I think Savian Jones is a developmental piece, has a

(43:43):
lot of tools, and a guy that I'm looking forward
to the Broncos going out there and developing really good.
I think they needed that extra weight from a guy
that can kick to the edge place. I mean, you
saw in the Buffalo game, right, what happened in that
we got our teeth kicked in in the run games
like crazy.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
They needed this exercise.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
So I liked the pick. I just think he has
a little developing to go. I don't think unless he
exceeds my expectations, totally possible. I'm not always right. I
have to throw that out there. I don't want people
thinking that I think I'm always right, But I just
think he needs a little more development until I want
to see him on the.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Field of time.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
Yeah, i'd agree. I don't think you want him starting.
I do think you want to develop him some this
season in season or play him some. So you know, hey,
if Slash, when John Franklin Myers leaves after twenty twenty five,
what type of shape are we in at in that
role on the defensive line? You know, can Saveon Jones

(44:46):
be the ready made replacement or is he not ready
for that and maybe we have to replace it in
the aggregate or something, you know, to use the moneyballism.
But I do think he'll play a fairly good bit though,
just because we've talked so much about how man they
put a lot on Zach Allen. They need to spread
the snap count out more this year. And between Jordan

(45:10):
Jackson and Waza Rique last year that those two played
three hundred and seventy five snaps on defense. So I
think there is a sizable role, and again we're probably
saying that role should inflate and expand Jazerrik only got
snaps when things were bumped up and he became that
number five guy instead of Jordan Jackson. But so again

(45:31):
there's nearly four hundred snaps there in the defense, and
that role probably should be bigger. So you're not putting
so many so much weight on the starters, who you know,
are aging and all that. So I think he'll hopefully
be ready for such a role. But like you said,

(45:51):
he was kind of a trades pick, so we got
to see him put it together in camp, and you know,
I think Broncos Country should cross their fingers and hope
he's ready to absorb some of that workload because I
think that's an important factor for the team this year.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
I just think also too, like it's I do think
it's gonna be kind of like I don't see him
getting edge snaps. I don't see that at all. I
don't see that unless there's like a few injuries in
the edge group, I could see him get some interior snaps.
That's just kind of like he's a really big edge
and he's kind of a smaller interior player. It's how

(46:27):
does he stand up there? Are they gonna want lean towards, Hey,
we need some more beef, or we're gonna play a
Waza rique or something like that on the interior. I
could see that in a lot of scenarios, Like I
don't think. I think the reason I love the pick
is because they got their teeth kicked into the edge
spot last year. I don't see him getting the snaps.
Does he help your run defense as an interior alignment

(46:47):
right now? I don't think so. You know, that's where
it gets confusing. I think he is a trades pick
and I want him to He has an automatic roster
spot on this team. He's gonna be developed. I need
to see him, you know, put some things together. It's
it's a fun pick. You Robinson is up next, outside
linebacker pass rusher from Alabama special teams ace as well.

(47:13):
I think year one you're looking at him is exactly
what I said is a special teams ace. This is
part of the Broncoso special teams coordinator rebuilding that special
team's room. You've seen a few signings like it in
the offseason. Trent Sherfield and we talked about being one
of them, Ke Robinson being a pick for that unit
as well. Uh so year one not seeing the field

(47:34):
on defense? I don't think. I don't think so at all,
But I do think I don't I don't think so.
I mean, who do you have him playing over?

Speaker 1 (47:43):
No? One?

Speaker 4 (47:43):
But I think he'll see the field some just injuries attrition,
being somewhat in that rotation.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
But like I think we even forget, like would he
play edge snapped over the guy we just.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Talked about, Savian Jones? I think so you think so?

Speaker 4 (48:02):
Do you think like the circumstance, I think they're different.
I think he's more of a DPR and than Savian
Jones is like an early down guy. Now they have
more of a need for the early down guy. So
you're probably right, Jones is probably getting more of those snaps.
But I think as one of those lighter bodies, he

(48:23):
could maybe see the fields as a designated pass rusher.
I don't think it'd be a large role at all.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Because he's he would be a number five.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
Your last man Elis played four hundred and fifty snaps
last year, it wouldn't be that big. Or on defense
last year, it wouldn't be that big of a role.
But Tillman was two hundred and fifty, probably wouldn't even
be that big. But could he have like one hundred
one hundred and fifty snaps here or there. I think
that's achievable.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Interesting, Okay, I think he makes the team off of
special teams this year, and you're hoping that that's why
he's making your team. Yes, and then he has some
cool traits to him that you really like as a
pass rusher that you're keeping around, and you know he's
a he's a wild card. Maybe he turns into a
designated pass rush type of guy.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Now you can tell what the BRONC is.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
The Van Joseph Soule's defensives, what most teams would describe
as designated pass rushers. Those are just edge rushers for
Vance Joseph and his defense man. Those those aren't designated.

Speaker 5 (49:26):
Uh uh.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Those guys are playing the entire way through. I think
ke Robinson very very much fills the role of what
Vance Joseph loves as an edge rusher too. I think
he is exactly that. I'm looking at some of them recently.
It's like, I mean, Nick Benito, I don't know how
we didn't see that when like they have Brian Burns, right,
Vance Joseph or his son Raddick, like these type of dudes,

(49:52):
these smaller edge rushers.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
That's that's just the type of guy he wants.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
Yeah, I agree what he he likes and what Peyton
likes because he was drafting the Benito pick was before
Joseph even ribes, so similar similar types there.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Interesting, Yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right. Rounds or
let's get to the comments here real quick. Let's see
tw Ke Robinson inside linebacker maybe twenty six, twenty seven.
I mean he is at a stage and raw enough
and stuff like that that if they did it early
enough in his career and they're like this in tier
pass rush, thing's not working out, but we still really

(50:29):
love them on special teams. That's how he's going to
continue to make this team. Uh, maybe he can cover
his role out at inside linebacker. I wouldn't be like
extremely mad at it. But that's under the scenario that
they look at the edge rusher thing and they're like,
it's not working.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
Yeah, And so he played that wolf role in the
Bama defense, so he was off ball. Some I think
he could maybe expand that role some, but I I
think it's more like, Wow, this is an edge rusher
who we can trust. Is a drop in coverage here
and there, think yeah, exactly, like he's the Benito some

(51:07):
you look at Benito's tape at Oklahoma. You've pointed this
out in the past, and he's lined up at inside
linebacker on occasion it was a curveball day throughout there.
I think that's probably the extent of it. You know,
maybe for a NASCAR package, if you want him as
the inside linebacker, like a Blitzen inside linebacker, they've got
I think other alternatives there, like Drew Sanders and whatnot.

(51:29):
But like, I think that would kind of be the
extent of the inside linebacker role unless the edge experiment
fails and they're like, uh, how else are we going
to get this guy on the field. I don't know,
let's try this. I think it'd be a backup plan.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Even Benito this last year, I mean not playing edge
but dropping back and covers a lot, or not playing
inside linebacker but dropping.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
Back to cover six is of course two big plays.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
That's part of his role there, part of the team,
and it's true. I think ke Robinson fits that same
type of role. Round six, Pick two six team, Jeremy Crosshaw, Hunter, Florida.
This is your starter. I mean, they cut the guy
that they signed this offseason to draft him.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
He is your starter starting punter.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Jacob and Frankie were talking about him at Senior bull
which I thought was funny. I'm like, why are you
guys talking me about this punter? And then the Broncos drafted.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Him, so he's on the team now.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Yeah, I mean I just think he's your starting punter.
I don't know, Zach, I don't you have more info
on this guy. I have not looked much into him.
I just I can't get myself righted around.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
It to do it. Do you think he has a
good or bad season? Just let me know.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
I think he's a solid punter right off the bat.
You know, not many punters get drafted every year, and
it's not like kickers. Like kickers such a mental position.
I think sometimes you see guys get the yips when
they get into the NFL. There's like so much pressure
on him. They're kicking for their job with every field goal.
You have such a small sample size to try and
you know, keep like a roster spot. You know, punting's

(53:00):
just liability. I don't think you see punters get the
yips as much if I can't think of a time
I've seen it happen. And he was a really good
punter in college. There's a reason why he was the
consensus top punter in this draft. Net was top ten
in all of college football last year. Inside the twenty

(53:21):
to touchback ratio was top ten last year, So he's
kicking it really far. He's also able to consistently pin
opponents inside the twenty without it going into the end
zone for a touchback. It's all you want from your punter,
So good promising signs there. I also think the fact
that the Broncos cut Matt Hawk right after the first

(53:43):
day of rookie mini camp is maybe the loudest data
point we need to hear. They kept Matt. They signed
Matt Hawk as the insurance option. They kept him after
the draft until they got Jeremy Crawshaw in the building
for one day. I imagine they saw him punt during
that one day and then they went, all right, we
can wrap that up. That's our new punter. We no

(54:04):
no competition needed.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Like, damn, this was the easiest paycheck I evergot. I
didn't even have to do it. I didn't I didn't
even show up. I show up to one practice. I
got a fat paycheck. I mean, that guy's living the life.
I don't feel bad for him at all.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
He's making a living here as a backup punter though
for four years. That's that's that's pretty damn good. How
many people are able to do that good drift?

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Yeah, everyone talking about backup quarterback being the best job
in the NFL. What about the punter that gets cut
before practices start and was signed that same season.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
I think that's the best job right there. I mean personally, Uh,
all right.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Last one here, Caleb Loner tight end Utah. Like no
production in college from this guy. The Broncos are drafting
him purely off traits. Uh former basket ball player. There
was a play.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
I think everyone saw.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
It if you've looked up anything on Caleb Loners him
boxing a dude out on a little fade route in
the back of the end zone, and I mean it
was total box out. It was literally basketball, get a
guy on my back right there. Touchdown. It's what he's
done so far. Sean Payton said he likes the traits.
They're exciting. This is a roster bubble guy. To me,

(55:24):
I would lean on that he doesn't make the roster,
but I do think there is a chance that he does.
If he does make the roster, I would say almost
no production.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
Yeah, I agree, almost no production. I do think he
might get like a touchdown or two in there. Just
because we know Peyton loves like his shiny toys, then
this guy is a shiny new toy, you know, like
just crazy measurables and you look at you know. Not
that I think he's gonna have like anything dynamic, but

(55:53):
just like run a fade route with the guy and
just like, hey, good luck garden this monster. I don't
know how much development he needs to be able to
do that, to be like an effective tight end, Yeah,
he needs a lot of development. But to have like
one or two gadget plays like hey, let's use our
mismatch freak in the playbook, I wouldn't be surprised.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
If I see him on the field. I'm in there
for somebody else that I like.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
I'll be honest with you, I I think it's very possible.
I mean, Nate Adkins had like five receiving touchdowns on
this team last year. Like I, I just think the
opportunities will be there. I think it's a very small role,
kind of like we were talking about with ke Robinson.
I think it'll honestly be more gimmick snaps than anything.
It's kind of what I'm getting at. But I think

(56:42):
you'll see point in time. I wouldn't be surprised if
he has a touchdown this year for that reason, because
I think he's going to be used in those kind
of like schemed up let's use this weird asset we
have ways. I think it's kind of fifty to fifty
as to whether or not he makes the roster. All
the point you laid out are a great reason for
why he could be cut. That tight end room is

(57:05):
wide open after Troutman and Ingram is my thing. You've
got Kroll and you've got Nate Adkins. Adkins maybe they keep,
but they could move on from Burton. I don't think
they will but they could and have Adkins be the
fullback that would open up a third spot in that

(57:25):
tight end room for him. I think he's easily going
to beat out Kroul. Adkins. Also, maybe they view him
as redundant with Burton because he kind of has been.
I mean, he's the best blocking Titan. I think he's
probably safe, but it's Nate Adkins. I don't think he's
cemented into a roster spot. So I wouldn't be surprised
if you if either of those guys get pushed them.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
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It's coming soon. I had to take a little vacation
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I was exhausted working on the grades article right now,
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Speaker 3 (58:27):
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