How Good Is Denver's 2025 NFL Draft Haul?

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#Broncos #BroncosCountry #NFL #DenverBroncos #NFLDraft On today's episode, the LTB crew looks at the Denver Broncos' 2025 NFL Draft haul and debate just how good Denver did. Check out the website: https://letstalkbroncos.com/ Altitude Adjustment Shop: https://altitudeadjustmentshop.com/ Catch the Let's Talk Broncos Podcast Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays on the Let's Talk Broncos YouTube, by clicking subscribe below and ringing the bell for notifications, or by searching 'Let's Talk Broncos' wherever you listen to podcasts!!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Oh, it looks like I took a wrong turn handed
up in the Let's Talk Broncos stream here. This is interesting,
Zach Seegers, how are you?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
I'm doing great, excited to be talking about a Broncos draft.
It's hope season, you know, off seasons, always hope season.
But you get a bunch of new players added to
the team. We can all look at it. You know,
glass half empty, glass half hole, however you want to be,
and you know, excited, excited to be back in the saddle.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
It's Schrodinger's draft. Do you have no idea how well good? Bad?
Was it good? It's neither. Right now, We're sitting pretty
here at the end of a very fast moving weekend
for Denver Broncos sports Listen. The draft was fun. Had
a ton of fun hanging out with everybody for the

(00:57):
Draft watch party down at the Rock Restaurant, Bar and Grill.
Kudos to everyone who was involved, Frankie, Abbott and Liam
who were able to make it out to join us
from out of state, including some fans of the show
and and friends of ours on Twitter. I know Dak
was out there not trying shout out to Zak, to Dak,

(01:19):
thank you for making the trip, and I've convinced myself
that it was specifically just for us, so I'm gonna
hold that very high and in regard to your your
viewership here on LTV. And then thanks to everybody else
who had a hand in getting this done, especially Mariovit
Tansy could not have done it literally without him, and

(01:41):
then everybody else was inpendance. Yeah, just absolutely rocked. It
was able to be uh the MC of the night
and honestly, that is the job he was born for.
So super happy that that happened. David Talks Broncos and
the NFL Draft finally made a live Well. Welcome David.
Good to see you always glad. I'm gonna be looking

(02:06):
at the chat quite frequently as I get my I
feel like I haven't done this in a while, so
I want to get this all.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Back under my belt.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
So I am getting my sea legs back. It's almost
overwhelming that there's so many people in here with us
to start the show. Hello, Paul, it's good to see you.
I don't know who the trig is. I've never seen
this name before, but he said green Law is injured
and the world is over. I'm we're going to get
into that here in a second. I think that's definitely
important news that we have to cover. But I think

(02:35):
what's most important is to cover the fact that the
let's talk Broncos collaborators. Just in general, we're a very
close knit type of group. As you can see, we
like to hang out with each other and all those things,
but we also like to have some conversations that end
up leaving us a little bit riled up. And I
wanted to start this evening by a conversation that's presently

(02:57):
going on in our group chat about the idea idea
that one hundred men and this is one hundred men,
maybe if your choosing whatever, the idea of average men
could not take on a singular gorilla and and snuff
the life out of them. And so there's a back

(03:18):
and forth that I quite possibly don't understand where maybe Zach,
you can shed some light on this. I feel like
they're underestimating the sheer numbers game when it comes to
taking down an animal of any size, right like ancestors
in the theory of evolution, and we're you know, uh

(03:39):
cohabitating at the time of mammoth no pun intended species
so oh and thank goodness Patrick Keyoti is here because
this is a conversation we need to have. Having this conversation.
Frankie is also here, so this is perfect, all right, guys,
So drop it in the chat while you're here. And

(04:00):
if you're not over on YouTube, you're making a mistake.
Go on over YouTube search let'stock Broncos jump on the
live stream, have this conversation along with us, and yeah,
eventually we will get to the Broncos talk, but I
don't have time for that right now. I need This
is why Zach and Breece stop responding in the chat. Yes,
we're busy, but we've brought the conversation over here. I
feel like it's extremely important.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
So seeing it wrong, that's the right. It can be
as one side if we can throw the comments up
on the screen if we want, but we can also
silent them, silence them and make it entirely one sided,
which I enjoy.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, we have full control over this.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
You got to be team human on this one. You know,
I'm not saying you'll line the people up in a
single file line and let them go one on one
with the gorilla. You know, one hundred times that's not
going to go well. But one hundred people fighting for
their lives swarming one animal. I don't know if you
guys are big history buffs at all, but that's kind

(04:57):
of how humanity started. That's kind of how civilization started.
You had a lot of animals out there, No, we
were kind of one. We got in little groups of
five or ten people people. Another fun thing, if you
ever go to an old historic site, you might notice
the doors are a lot smaller. Right, it's because we've
grown a lot bigger as we've gotten like proper nutrition

(05:19):
and we're healthier creatures, you know, just in general. So
we're talking about like ten five five dudes with an
IQ of fifty who are malnourished and have stix, and
they would take down wooly mammos to the point of extinction.
So that's what they were doing. Okay, one hundred people

(05:40):
today that are like six foot got sixty pounds on.
Those dudes, got about thirty forty IQ points. Cleaning up,
cleaning up. We're losing some along the way.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
We're losing some important point.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, some people aren't moving the same after where there's
gonna be a pre gorilla and a post gorilla for
a lot a lot of people in that group of
one hundred, but there are people standing when the gorilla
stops breathing.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
I think it's really important to note you will not
have all of your limbs. You may not have your
neighbor coming back with you. The buddy system is flawed,
and this is instance they're just they're they're not coming back. Hole. Also,
I imagine the PTSD after the gorilla post grill at
times is just it's hard to come by, right, And so.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Thank you watched Torch at the Jungle again.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Good to imagine how debilitating curious George Books would be
as you walk around the corner of your local Barnes
and Noble and you're just absolutely yeah, taken out by that. Okay,
all right, Pat said they just accepted their fate. I
don't know who that is, but right now it feels
like it's Let's Talk Broncos podcast six for joining us.
Needed to get that off our chest because we were

(06:51):
absolutely just walloped by nonsense before we got onto the
stream tonight.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yes, well it's gonna be a crazy one. We've already
got clay Web comments coming in excited for that conversation Brie,
I don't know if you're ready for that one.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
But I'm not. I don't even know what to anticipate.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Listen if you don't know what, I've got a fun
surprise for you later in the show.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Brie, Okay, fantastic. Let's uh, let's get it rolling. Now
that we're all smiling, let's take it down a notch.
I'm a little I'm a little worried about what the
news that we heard today. Right Drake green Law UH
suffering a bit of a quad injury. Zach is smiling
through the pain right now. Is a fun little surprise

(07:38):
later I'm terrified. This is why I can't do this show.
With the comments just streaming across the screen. I'm like this,
I'm scared. I'm distracted. But Okay, our worst fears have happened. Zac.
We talked about it when the acquisition happened. If Droy
Greenlaw from the Niners was somewhat of uh an injury
history and a concern there. Initial reports were a little

(07:59):
bit I think overwhelming with the idea that this would
impact his season, and it's only April. Now we're onto
the conversation that it looks like denver z owne Benjamin
alvart is saying that it is a minor strain and
not a quad tear, which is good news. It won't
necessarily impact his season. It's a close call, and I

(08:22):
think I'm feeling a little bit of a shockwave from it.
Zach get Us started with kind of how you took
the news and where you're at with how that impacts
our off season here heading into twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, you know, I think the great thing is Drake
green Law will probably be unaffected by this as far
as you know the twenty twenty five season is concerned.
But I do think this should affect the Denver Broncos
off season. You know, the linebackers an important position I think,
or a position they were weaker at last year, one
of the weakest spots on the team. And you're, you know,

(08:58):
you replace Cody Barton with Drake Law, but you do
not have a lot of great options outside that lead dog.
And if Dray Greenlaw goes down, I think there's a
reason why all of Broncos country collectively had like a
panic moment because it's like, oh my god, if he's down,
we're really screwed it. Inside linebacker and you know there's

(09:19):
a good chance he goes down. He part of the
reason you got Dray Greenlaw at the price you got
him is because there's some concerns that he might have
reoccurring injuries. He might miss time a fair amount of
time over these next two three years, however long he's
on that deal. So you should probably have a good
insurance plan. And I think in a way, maybe this

(09:39):
cat strain was a blessing in disguise, because maybe it
gave everyone in Dove Valley a second of like, oh
my god, and now they can, you know, reflect on
that and hopefully add another veteran body to the room.
There aren't great options out there, but I do think
there's options where you feel you're further away from disaster

(10:00):
than the Broncos currently are.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it.
It will be another time will tell endeavor here for
the Broncos. Hopefully there's enough depth in what they presently
have if that were to carry over to the season.
Our resident health expert here, Mario Batanza, could jump in
at any time and kind of let us understand how
soft tissue injuries seem to affect players going forward. Or

(10:25):
perhaps Mario is already on the case. I don't know
that for sure, and making up rumors here love on.
Let's talk Broncos. The chat is killing me and I
feel good.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
About I love it because they're not saying they're not
specifically saying what it is, so they're just getting to
build your dread more and more. That's going to be
a fun reveal once we get through the seventh round
pick because udfas guys, we don't talk about udfa's until
after the seventh round, So you got to you gotta
stick around for the clay Web story.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, you got to give it time to kind of
work itself through my brain, and then while I'm listening
to you talk, I can google it into my absolute horror.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Have you read it?

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah? I did, Yeah, I did. I already read it
and I scrolled in A. I feel like there's no
straight face that can be kept during tonight's show, and
it's going to seem like there's this inside joke that
nobody knows about, but.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Everyone's having their Walter White moment watching watching Hank get
asked WHOA, yeah, wow, totally off the rails. I love it.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
No, it's early. You know, if Joey was here, I'm
not quite sure what he would say, but he would
rescue me. Right now, it's just unfortunate. Right, let's get started.
You got to start with the number one pick. I
want to first and foremost I had. I tweeted out,
I posted oro on X whatever we're calling it these days.

(11:56):
The idea that I feel like this draft of the
Denver Broncos was it was disciplined and it was in
a way where I was excited to see just how
far they were willing to go to stay to whatever
strategy they had agreed upon at the start of this draft,
which was, you know, trading back when when they saw fit.
The Broncos are in a great position where they're no

(12:19):
longer in a they can have a sense of urgency
without clamoring for this splashy pick in the first round.
You know, there was the thought of them trading back.
There was a thought of them going you know, most
needed position at number twenty. There was the thought of
them chasing and moving up in the draft. And it

(12:40):
just felt for me, and I'm speaking obviously just for
myself and not the LTB contingent, but I felt it
was definitely disciplined, Victory Lap says, or was it a
little bit disappointing. I wasn't disappointed. I was actually really
enamored by the movement that was happening consistently. Trading back
tells me that they had a plan and they wanted

(13:02):
to stick with it, and they wanted to see who
fell to them, and they had their tier graded out
systems that made sense for whatever the patents in the
organization had agreed upon. Right, So that number one pick
being Zade Baron is shocking, and in the moment, I
was like, there's no way. There is absolutely no way.
But I had joked about it a little bit with

(13:22):
Patrick Keyoti, and I was like, what if they're in
such a position. You know, you need offensive weaponry, you
know you need that spark for BO. But what if
they go best player available on the defense, just like
they did Patrick's ertan, How could that possibly be the
wrong answer? When bolstering your defense is ensuring that your
offense has an extra step ahead, they have an advantage.

(13:44):
So I just want to give my initial thoughts on
kind of where I'm sitting with this draft. In particular,
I'm very happy with what they were able to do,
and honestly, had they continued to trade out there towards
the end, there was still a ton of talent that
they could have picked up in the those last couple
of picks. So, Zach, do you want to give me
your kind of overall idea of how you felt just

(14:06):
just watching that play out, and then we can roll
into pick number one.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah. I think I was higher on it than consensus,
just because I liked some of the players better than
I think they were ranked on you know, consensus boards
or you know, fan mock drafts. You'll see the same
names pop up, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh round over and
over again, and I think you know that can always
be a trap for fans to maybe get their expectations

(14:31):
set a little too high. We do always see players fall,
but it's rarely ever the players that are falling in
those mock draft sims. You know, like the guy who
you are seeing consistently fall to the seventh and you go,
oh my god, what an incredible value. This guy's a
fifth round talent. If you're figuring that out, man, NFL
gms with an entire support staff of scouts are also

(14:54):
probably figuring that one out. So I think that's an
element of it, But I am frustrated that I don't
think they maximized value. I wonder if they could have
traded back a little more, just because relative to consensus boards,
which for people that don't know, it's taking kind of
all the draft big boards we have publicly available and

(15:17):
averaging them down to get a consensus. It's a fairly
predictive tool of how drafts turn out. Now, that's comparing
it to a business where if you go fifty to
fifty you might be headed for the Hall of Fame.
So relatively predictive doesn't mean a lot. It said Luke
Wattenberg in twenty twenty two, is a terrible pick. You
look at the value of the Broncos have gotten out

(15:37):
of that, it's a pretty damn good pick actually, so
none of its gospel. But relative to consensus boards, the
Broncos had the thirtieth best draft in the NFL. I
get the disappointment around that. In spite of that, I'm
okay with the draft because I get every single pick.
John D. Barron, I see what they're going for there. RJ. Harvey,

(15:59):
I very serious, clearly see what they're going for there.
Even less popular picks like Pat Bryant or Qugh Robinson.
I can very easily see, like Hugh Robinson elite special teamer.
They need to replace some special team's help. And he's
got traits you just don't see an edge rushers in
the fifth round. Like that's a swing for the fences
with also a pretty high floor. You know, typically fifth

(16:21):
round edges are going to be guys with extremely limited traits.
He's not that at all, and he gives you a
high floor as an awesome special teamer. Nick Saban said,
this guy is the best special teams player he's ever coached.
So like that one on the consensus boards is a
major reach. I'm not that mad about it. I see
why it happened. I can get why they did it.

(16:43):
Punter was a big need. I know some people are
upset about taking the punter in the sixth round. He
was projected to go at the end of the sixth round.
They took him with the last pick in the sixth round.
That seems like fine value to me. And then what's
the last guy loner? That one's weird. I think odds
are that doesn't work out, but you know, incredibly high

(17:04):
upside swing at picked two forty one. I'm fine with it,
especially because the buzz is the Broncos had a pretty
good word that Loner was going to go off the
board in one of those sixteen picks after them, so
he wasn't going to be available as a UDFA, and
if they wanted him, they had to draft him with
pick two forty one and take you know whoever they

(17:27):
maybe else would have wanted it two forty one and
hope they wind it up or wound up becoming a UDFA.
So I think there's problems with it in terms of
maximizing overall value. I don't take much issue with any
of the picks I on it. I would give it
like a bnus B draft. I like. I ultimately like
what they did. I don't think they maximize their opportunities.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
And I totally hear that. But I think I am
in a position where I can say, uh F your
value because if they got the guys that they wanted
and this turns out to be stellar, which we don't
get to grade this out until eighteen twenty months from now,
I'm excited about it. I'm very intrigued by that tight
end pick because one year of college football, but also

(18:13):
being just an athletic anomaly and being able to play
at that level for a year is pretty pretty interesting
to me. I want to hope that the experiment works out,
especially as it translates to big guy football in the NFL.
I think that is a crash course, cut your teeth

(18:34):
kind of solution for that position, but I think they
were in a position to do so. I just want
to really place a lot of emphasis on the comfortability
factor of Yes, we realize that the hope is high. Right,
the circumstances allow the Broncos to take some risks here
being at a comfortable position in which they are finding

(18:56):
a franchise QB, but it doesn't release the sense of
urgency window now and it's a it's a cheap window
with bon Nicks, but it also comes with a lot
of questions that need to be answered moving forward, like
were there some missed opportunities to go along in the
trenches a little bit more? Possibly? But I think they
have time to rectify that moving forward. Zach, I think

(19:17):
you wanted to take that in a little bit of
a different direction. Did you have something else to add, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Think just some interesting loaner Nuggets because he's the guy
that no one really knows about. Interesting details. You know,
four catches his college career, all four went for touchdowns.
That's that that's gone around there a little bit. People
might know that. Doing Koa's Day three coverage. I actually
got to ask him a question during like a little interview,

(19:42):
or asked him a couple of questions, but one of
them I asked, you know, before going to Utah this
last season to play football because they recruited him from Baylor.
He was a basketball player at Baylor. Utah recruits him
to play on their basketball team and their football team.
He's like, sure why they talked him into it. They
made him think it was a good idea. I mean,
clearly it was. He's now drafted into the NFL, so

(20:04):
he goes for it. Prior to the twenty twenty four season,
he hadn't played football since the seventh grade. So I
think that's just a remarkable little detail there. You know,
who knows if it'll work out. I think the fact
that the Broncos have a Utah tie. I saw Paul

(20:26):
commenting about a lot of Utah players getting drafted by
the Broncos, and I like Devon Vallet. Jonah ellis now,
of course loner. I think there's a reason for that.
I've I think George Peyton has a pretty has pretty
good insight into the Utah program, and I think you'll
continue to see them target utes in part because I

(20:47):
think they have more information on them than most teams,
and I think that might cut both ways. They might
avoid a ute that everyone else is expecting them to
take because they have some information that other teams don't.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
I love that little nugget. Zach seekers are resident insider.
Pretty cool interview. You do what you can, you do
your best, and we appreciate it that you would take
the time to join us on a Sunday evening just
to talk about the Denver Broncos. So your check is
in the mail. There's Zach. Let's let's let's do a

(21:23):
little bit of overview. I know I said we were
going to start at the first. We're hopping around all over,
but I do want to just say the pick at
twenty for today, it fits the defense nicely, and I
think the versatility is the theme with Sean Payton that
you're going to see here in this pick. And then
moving forward, you know, the ability to play in multiple spots.

(21:43):
I think what goes without saying is the ability to
be somewhat of a turnover machine. Right, This level of anticipation,
the ferocity in his methods of attack, eight turnovers, three
of those for interceptions in a three year period really
points to maybe possibly advance Joseph finding a way to
maximize a type of player at that caliber. And I

(22:06):
think just in combination with what the secondary is already doing,
the Broncos are in a great spot to be successful here.
I'm not quite sure what this is in reference to,
but yes, whatever I said, I meant it quite literally.
Kodiak Broncos Podcast. Thank you l Tob for letting me
or appear on Engage eight. You're welcome, Kodiak, thank you.

(22:27):
We appreciate you hit it. Dak pick one. I have
your reaction. I have your reaction on video, and I
think everybody was sort of wide eyed, and but it
wasn't a bad one, right. It wasn't like a disgust.
It was a like, oh wow, was not anticipating that.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
I think, yeah, the shock was negative at first, just
because it was such a surprise and it was like
what are they thinking here? Like corner really like, that's
not really a premium position, and then I think as
you digest it more and more, it became more and
more appealing. It's one of my favorite picks of the draft.
I think he's an awesome talent. I think, you know,

(23:09):
top ten fifteen talent in this draft at worst. I
believe them that they had a top ten grade on
the guy. I think, you see, it's not a pick
that you make if he's not your best player available.
They weren't reaching for a need here or anything. I
think they just weren't expecting him to be there. He
suddenly was there. It seems like the in league thought,

(23:32):
based on just what I've heard on you know, different shows,
and you know from the Broncos themselves in their press
conferences and interviews, is that everyone seemed to think that
Baron was going thirteen to the Dolphins, and when Kenneth
Brant went there instead, it was like, WHOA, we might
be able to get something special here, and I think

(23:53):
it's I think his impact on the team should be
pretty great too. He doesn't really have to come off
the field for you ever, because he's so versatile, you
know you need help at safety. He can do that.
You need help at Nickel. He can do that. You're
in a base defense, Look, he can and you don't
want him at safety for whatever reason. He can be
your boundary corner opposite Sirtan. So the versatility is incredibly

(24:17):
valuable there. I think someone like Trent McDuffie, that's the
high end version of what he could be, but kind
of gives you that idea of an elite, shutdown Nickel
presence who can also play on the outside and that's
not his specialty, but he can be respectable out there.
I really love it though. The element I really love

(24:39):
is you go to NFL teams want to get their
best weapons away from Patrick Sirtan for obvious reasons, and
the easiest way to do that is to line up
your weapon in the slot. Outside extreme examples like Jamar Chase,
Sirtan isn't gonna follow those elite weapons into the slot.
Broca don't have to worry about that anymore. They at

(25:02):
least they hope they think, have an elite weapon of
their own now as a slot defender to shut those
guys down. That's a detail I really really love.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
I love that you bring that up right. It's The
whole thing when we go into our bold predictions to
the game is who who's going to line up with
PS two? And now it's almost like, how are they
going to avoid that? That absolute lights out defense that
we're seeing in the making on paper right is yet
to be seen. But I feel really good about this pick.

(25:32):
I feel really good about what happened after this pick too.
Right round two, the Broncos acquired picks fifty seven to
seventy four, one eleven, and two thirty from the Panthers,
exchanging out their bevy there. So they traded back just
a little bit, and then a second trade as we
all waited in anticipation for them to pick again, they
traded back three to sixty and one thirty from the

(25:53):
Lions shouts out to them in exchange for picks fifty
seven and two thirty. So with that number sixty overall. RJ.
Harvey from UCF is a new running back edition for
the ground game for the Denver Broncos. Maybe not the
name de Broncos Country was anticipating, however, I think there's
some really great highlights that we've been seeing over the

(26:15):
last couple of days being posted from Harvey or of
Harvey that indicate that even though with a smaller frame,
when you're looking at measurables, he moves big. I don't
think that's necessarily a concern that should be had. It's
not one that I have necessarily because of the movement
you see on the field right, his ability to break

(26:38):
tackles it is still there. Reminds me of kind of
like a very stout runner. So I'm not concerned about size.
But I know that has been brought up kind of
since the pick happened. Zach, what was your initial response
to the Harvey pick.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
I'm a huge fan of it. I think I might
have been higher on RJ. Harvey than anyone in Broncos
country pre draft. We did our consensus big board exercise
for Let's Talk Broncos, and I had him ranked forty
on mine. I had no problem with him going sixty.
Consensus big boards disagree. I don't want to act like
everyone had him that high. Consensus Sports have him around

(27:17):
one hundred. They do think it's a pretty sizable reach
by the Broncos, so that's worth considering. But yeah, I
think he's a really exciting talent. I see some Alvin
Kamara to his game. I think the receiving ability is
a lot of projection, but you see a player who

(27:38):
is incredibly fast, and the accelerations there too. It's not
just build speed. He can be very fast in the
short area. The cuts. Like you said, he cuts and
slices through the defense very effortlessly. I think something that
really gets you excited about him is his vision. His
vision is up near the top options in this draft class,

(27:59):
where he's so good in the congested spaces, setting up
his blockers and really tempoing his speed. He understands, hey,
I've got a convoy of guys around me right now.
I don't have to use that four to three speed.
I can run with them, use my blockers, wait for
that little crease to open up, and then I'm going
to gun it. And you know you talked about the

(28:21):
ability to bounce off some tacklers, some contact balance. Sixty
nine missed tackles force. Now that's also counting some elusiveness.
If you juke a guy out, that counts too, But
sixty nine missed tackles forced. This past year, Amari and
Hampton was third in the class. And we all know
a Marian Hampton's play style physical, knocking over guys, running

(28:43):
over them, shaking them off. He had seventy three. R. J.
Harvey had sixty nine. So a guy who in his
own right has solid contact balance at five fot eight,
he's two hundred and five pounds maybe even two oh eight.
That is a very round body. He is a pinball.

(29:04):
As Joey said on our Friday night show, instantly reacting
to the pick, I just I think maybe the big
question is going to be his pass game impact. The
pass protection is a negative right now. He has the frame,
he's not different that different in terms of size from
a Trayvon Henderson from Ashton gent Those are maybe the

(29:25):
two best pass protecting backs in this draft. So he
can get better there. It's not a lack of physical ability,
but he's not there right now. So that's going to
be problem Area number one. Area number two is he's
not super proven as a receiver. What he's shown on
tape is really promising, but he only had I think
twenty nine or thirty receptions last year, and so he

(29:48):
has to demonstrate a little more there now. Travon Henderson,
the amazing receiver we've all talked about, right he had
thirty last year too, so a little people are getting
discussed differently based on what they're pre draft profile was
for sure, But yeah, I think r J. Harvey is
borderline of steel. That wasn't Concetsu's opinion, but I think

(30:09):
he is going to be very dynamic presence in this
Broncos offense from day one. I'll stop gushing now, Brie,
I just I love the kid.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
I can't help myself, no, and I appreciate that because
that's why I'm looking to you to sort of paint
the picture in a different light. I know there is
a lot of frustration, but this is this is what happens, right.
You get your hopes up for a specific player, you
have your draft crush, you fall in love with that,
you find every possible way to map that journey to
your team, and then that's not what happens. I don't
blame the emotional responses, but I do love the idea

(30:40):
that if you instantly comp a player like RJ. Harvey
to Alvin Kamara, my brain instantly lights up, right, like,
what sort of impact are you seeing for that? We're
already going to anticipate kind of this exponential lift in
the run game for the Denver Broncos, which is we've
been clamoring for. We are a very thirsty crew when

(31:01):
it comes to the ground game, and I think it's
important to know how we get there. Now. Might it
possibly be that oddric Est Tomay is kind of that
other piece to the puzzle. Yes, quite possibly, And there's
some other moves that they could make. There's some free
agents that still loom that I'll need to be picked up,
and there's a lot of you guys know how this goes.
I'm only explaining what you've already seen before. But there's

(31:22):
some players that won't perform and won't get retained by
a team in the final that you could see the
Broncos possibly making a move for. So the search is
not over, but the anticipatory relationship with the draft is
sort of kind of feeding what I see is maybe
a little bit of disappointment that doesn't necessarily need to
be there. But again, I don't like to tell you

(31:44):
had a fan. I'm just letting you know I do
want to see though, Zach. I think the only concern
I have is I want to see that same speed
that he showed in college translate to the NFL. Super
productive and I think he's right up the Broncos alley,
and I think that's why he was Sean Payton's feeling,
as though you really touched on it when we were

(32:04):
talking about the number seventy four pick. They're in round
three for the Broncos. This one I think caught some
people off guard, but it was in a weird sense,
right there was a clamoring for well, we got to
go offense, we have to go what about its tight end?
And then ultimately knowing that a wide receiver could be

(32:24):
in the mix, maybe Pat Bryant wasn't the player that
all of Broncos Country was hoping for at pick seventy four.
I was talking to the UK Roar of the Lions
podcast and this was one of their guys specifically for
the Lions, and they wanted to know. They were kind

(32:45):
of jealous and green with envy that the Broncos got them.
So I wanted to know why, right, Like, what makes
that Sean Payton himself is quoting the resemblance of a
Michael Thomas, So what are are we missing something? Because
I think that he is your lower I think you
were a little bit lower on Pat Bryant, but not

(33:07):
necessarily with a low grade. Is that summarizing it completely?

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, he admittedly didn't make my rankings. He was a
guy I watched and I was like, I don't know,
and then so I'll kind of do a curse rewatch
of a bunch of guys and I kind of get
my short list down of like, Okay, I like these ones,
and then I'll go in and watch some more of them.
And Pat Bryan didn't make that first cut, but I've
gone back, I've watched some more since, and uh oh

(33:35):
oh man, Kyle Mnungai was not a better prospect than
Odra Guest. Not to go down that rabbit hole really quick,
but uh yeah, Pat Bryan, I think it was maybe
a bit of a reach, but there are some things
about him that I can't overlook. Not to shout out
another podcast, but I would implore everybody to go check out,

(33:58):
you know, on the KOA Sports Feed, the interview they
did with Pat Bryant, Like, oh my god, that guy.
The way he talks is like it's it's a different
end of the spectrum than jah Day barn. He's not
like Jaday Baron. You were talked about his mom and
everything and that's a wow. Like his humbleness, his maturity

(34:19):
and everything Pat Bryant is, like his confidence and his
uh willingness to do whatever he's got to do stands out.
He loves blocking, He loves being physical and dominating the defense.
He talked about how he wants to, you know, really
bully and beat up on whoever is covering and whoever's

(34:39):
lining up opposite him the entire game. And that's a
defined part of his personality that he not only loves
making big plays. You know, he averaged like twenty yards perception,
so he was that big play target in Illinois offense.
Not only does he love making big plays, he loves
setting up the blocks that allow the guys behind him
to have big plays to And he talked about cherishing

(35:03):
that similarly, So that stood out to me. I thought
that was really cool. The other thing I think is
far out with him and his tape. Again, I think
it's fine. I'm kind of with the general consensus that
maybe he was more of a round four guy and
they reached taking him in round three. That said, I
have a sinking feeling I might be wrong because some

(35:25):
of his like looking at the numbers, the numbers are ridiculous,
especially considering the quarterback play he had. He had some
of the worst quarterback play in the Power four. And
he is more productive than just about any receiver that
goes before him yard yards after the catch per reception.

(35:45):
He's a four to six guy. You don't expect that
to be a strong suit. He is better than everyone
drafted before him outside Trey Harris and Kyle Williams. Contested
catch rate, way better than everyone drafted before him. He
ranked like even in all of college football last season
in that category. Completes seventy percent. That's a ridiculous number,

(36:07):
by the way, seventy percent of his contested catch opportunities.
Right like Bo Nicks. Everyone was freaking out about him
completing seventy percent of his passes overall as a prospect. Right,
this guy's doing that on contested catch situations exclusively. Ted McMillan,
the guy who went at the top of the draft
whose specialty was contested catch situations, he's at sixty percent.

(36:30):
Jaden Higgins goes at pick thirty five. I believe because
he's so great in contested catch situations. His catch rate
is fifty eight percent. Drop rate only Jack Besh out
of the guys drafted before him, performed better than Pat
Bryant one point eight percent drop rate, Incredibly reliable in
that regard, good blocker. As I already said, I think

(36:53):
he's going to be a great red zone target. Kind
of clearly fits what Sean Payton is looking for in that,
like Marcus Colston, Michael Thomas archetype, you know, Cortland Sutton's
coming up with a deal after this year, and they
kind of could use a backup plan for you know,
their ex receiver long term. So even though I felt

(37:15):
like this is a reach and maybe my least favorite
part of the Broncos draft, I can wrap my head
around it pretty easily and I can see the upside
even if it's not what I would have done.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
I think that takes an ultra amount of awareness, Sach.
I think that you can say, although it's not in
line with what you would have done, that there is
a vision for kind of what to see out of
Pat Bryant. Hopefully route running is one of those specifically
they'll see. We'll see some separation in the ranks as well,
because there is a concern and we talked about to

(37:49):
start the show of the positional value there. How does
he sort of separate himself and get crack the top
three of the receiver room for the Denver Broncos. And
I think H. D. Bronx made that point, but I
cannot find it at this time. I am getting in
undated with comments, but I just wanted to throw that

(38:09):
out there that I think there's ultimately enough question marks
in that current room where we're sort of still seeing
the horse race happen for who's really going to shine
as as one of the top three receivers here for
the Denver Broncos. It's it's an open Uh, it's an
open game for everyone. The dude is stop by. Hello everyone,

(38:30):
Happy Sunday. Just going to random teens fan feeds to
see their draft reactions. Welcome dude, if you feel so
obliged to go ahead and subscribe. This is let's talk Broncos.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
This is our third season, fourth season, This is our
third off season, fourth season upcoming right?

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah, wait what did Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
That's insane because one year Drew Locke Drew is our
first year.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
So we're going and know we've already done here for
we're going into year five.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
I'm gonna vomit.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
That's crazy to think about. I like this comment from
Judson Cake here because Pat is so good at blocking.
I do think for some of the Broncos fans pushing
back on this, and you know, you do want to
do better than this, probably, but at worst case, he's
going to be a sizeable upgrade on little Jordan Humphrey

(39:26):
in that same role. So I think that's something you
could look forward to. Shout out to my mom in
the chat, Love you, mom, good seeing you today.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
I wasn't going to call you out, but it was
too cute.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
I know I've got a highlight.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
I know she's been so good to us and you,
I guess when you're not pestering her too to the
most of it. I don't know what this is in
response to, but we'll highlight it as mama sure, and
I guess exactly. It still counts though, all right, trades,
trades trades right number one oh one. I again, I

(40:03):
love the movement here. I love that it was more defense.
I think that there's obviously some questions of not necessarily fit.
It's just it's not who I thought they were going
to go when they went there, right, So with with
one oh one, I think they could have gone like,
if you wanted to go in this direction, I think

(40:23):
a better player to take was Jordan Birch, who was
still available with the seventy fourth pick. That makes that
makes me just just feel like they really liked the
wide receiver when they did, So that's okay, but I
selfishly wanted that because I like his style. Right but
into the meteor part of the draft, they score Saviian
Jones from LSU, another pretty stark athletic build sixty five

(40:46):
two eighty defensive end. I think now we're talking right like,
now we're getting into you know, what is the what
is the plan for the defense? It's a reassuring move
because you've got some contracts looming obviously across the defensive line.
Maybe not a day one starter, but it does allow
for the idea that if they do move on from
some of those guys in the trenches, this is insurance

(41:09):
creating a ton of pressure being able to play outside
of just defense. So he was consistent and impactful in
past rushing. So my hope is the continued like development
and maybe there is a plan for some versatility for
moving into the interior because I think that's what the
Broncos are so hungry for and desperate for. Zach, What

(41:30):
did you think of the pick? Is this actually a
contingency for possibly not being able to retain some of
the present edges that are in the room.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah, And I think it's more John Franklin Myers personally,
because he is that edge right now. But I think
when you check him out, I hate his edge stuff,
I really do. I do not like it at all.
They also played him inside a good bits kind of
that for eye. We see a lot of college teams use,
and I think that's where he really thrived, where he

(42:01):
was able to work inside, use his kind of height,
weight length combination a little more. That's kind of his
selling point. I think he's another kind of traits guy.
You don't see guys with his traits on the defensive
front often available in round four, you know, thirty four
in charms, well built body, inconsistent burst off the line,

(42:25):
but you see the flashes of it being really good
and if he can do it once, he can do it,
you know, repeatedly, if you're able to coach that out
of him, as the old scouting scouting adage goes. So
I like it. I think the coolest part of it
is it sets you up perfectly for John Franklin Myers departure,

(42:48):
because you know John Franklin Myers kind of an edge
or that's how he entered the NFL. He's kind of
moved inside this kind of hybrid body type bit of betweener.
That's what Savean Jones is you see JFF coming up
on a contract, You're wanting a new contract. Broncos haven't
entered negotiations with him. They draft this kid that speaks volumes.

(43:10):
So you know, time will tell if it works out
or not. But I think you know it's good to
insulate yourself against him potentially leaving. And then also, we've
talked a lot about the snap counts along that defensive
line and how a lot of those guys were having
to absorb way too many snaps, way too much wear
and tear. This should help spread it out a little more.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
I kind of love that point above all else, there's
a split in the chat right now that I want
to I guess point out. Andy. Thank you so much
for comment. It's good to see you. If you haven't already,
go check out Andy over on the socials. Andy feel
free to drop your handles. I give you permission to
do so. But de Bronc said, I didn't go why

(43:54):
they kept trading down and not adding and not adding picks.
They essentially moved back in round two to move their
other picks up and then drafted guys way over consensus.
This was the most puzzling thing about those moves. Ac.
Did you want to shed light on kind of where
D Bronx is going with us.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
I'm totally with d Bronx. I think it's frustrating. I
think the one area it's pretty excusable is where they
go from sixth all the way up to the fourth
like that, that's good value created. You look at the
guys that were there in the sixth round, I think
you compare them to Ke Robinson and you like that

(44:32):
pick for the Broncos. Outside of that, I'm with him.
You know they they are going against the consensus board
and that can work out. Again, that's fairly predictive, but
it certainly can work out to buck that trend and go, hey,
I know more than you guys, I'm smarter than general consensus.
It's not a great strategy, but it obviously can work out.

(44:55):
I just think, if you're going to do it, get
yourself a lot of roles of the dis because playing
a strategy that maybe has a lesser hit rate, a
hit rate of forty or thirty percent or whatever it
might be. And ultimately, at the end of the day,
your rate isn't what matters. It's how many quality players
are you adding to the roster, how many contributors are

(45:18):
you adding to the roster. So if you're gonna take
these lower percentage swings, at least make sure you're taking
a lot of them. And by prioritizing moving up in
the draft in those trades rather than adding extra capital,
they didn't do that, and so it's fressuring that they. Okay,
it's one thing to prioritize moving up if you're gonna
take guys you can't get later on to in those

(45:40):
trade backs, go oh, we gotta be moving up with
these picks, And then with those picks draft guys that
could have been available later, it's like, dang, why did
we even get that extra capital? So I get where
de Bronks is coming from. There. That's again why despite
me liking a lot of the picks, and I know
I'm in the minority there. It's like a B minus
to me instead of a BB plus draft. I don't
think they maximize their value or maximize their opportunities.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Sure, and unless we were privy to the conversations, are
the right or wrongness? I think of the conversation is
where I get stuck on right. I also like it
when you start jumping into the yeah, but in the
valuation and then in the consensus sports. But Sean Payton
made Sean Payton went specifically after these players for whatever reason,

(46:26):
and I hope that it pays off. And that's a lot.
That's a lot of trust there coming from somebody who
is still on the lower end of the whole Sean
Payton conversation. And I can say, I gotta watch, I
gotta see that vision play out, and then I can
judge it after the fact. But we shall see. I
think I did love what he said though, was if
you continue to pick good players, you know, you start

(46:49):
making your team better and you start ending up with
a good football team. That's how I see it. We're yeah, go.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Ahead, sorry really quick. I just yeah, I agree with
your Sean Payton point fully. I think that's a really
good point.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Oh, I wasn't expecting that. Thank you, Zach, I appreciate it.
I would bow, but I'm sitting the TOPA king said,
really interested by KEW Robinson came into Alabama under two
twenty and buried behind future first and second rounders, but
showed flashes this year before getting hurt base Immedia Athletics
special teamer. I wanted to start with this comment because

(47:22):
at one thirty four they take another linebacker Kei Robinson
from Alabama. I I don't have a great hold on
kind of what this means, but I think if you
are taking into consideration the ability to make an impact

(47:45):
on special teams, and we don't want to see the
turnover there in that positional grouping because of the turnover
and the coaching staff right, so they're paying special mind.
What I liked about this draft in general was that
there was a smattering of talent taken and it was
isn't too heavily weighted in either direction. And I think
this pick really highlights that. Zach, what do you have

(48:07):
on Q and how do you think this plays out
for Sean Payton?

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Yeah? I who knows if he realizes all the edge
rushing potential, He's only started five games for Alabama as
that edge rusher. Now again, he's got traits that are
are special. He was recruited to Alabama to play edge,
a spot where we see kind of to this comments
pointing out did they churn out first and second round

(48:31):
talents there NonStop?

Speaker 1 (48:35):
So?

Speaker 2 (48:36):
And the reason they do that is because they're recruiting
some high school guys with awesome traits, and ke Robinson
falls into that bucket stylistically a similar type to like Benito.
He's going to try and beat you with his burst
off the line. He's bendy, and I think you'd love
to see that. You don't see guys with his first
step edge defenders with that, with his first step and

(48:58):
his bend available in the fifth round. Why was he there, Well,
because he's barely played defense in college. You know, like
that's a big reason why he falls. But I think
taking the bet on those traits there, I like he's
actually one of my more favorite picks in this class.
I think him and Harvey outside the first round are
probably my favorite picks because not only are you getting

(49:20):
that upside potential at edge, you are getting the guy
who Nick Saban has lauded as the best special teams
player he's ever coached, Like, Nick Saban's coached a lot
of dudes, Like even before Alabama, this guy was, you know,
the Browns defensive coordinator under Bill Belichick. He's been around,
He's coached a lot of special teams players. And again,

(49:43):
kind of going back to that Bama recruiting point, if
you get recruited to Bama and you're a five star freshman,
there's a good chance you're not getting on the field.
And you're not getting on the field on offense or defense.
Guess what saw or Nick Saban's gonna ask you to do?
Play special teams. Jamison Williams that like, he's a very
very obvious example that jumps out, you know, top eleven

(50:03):
pick the super star wide receiver for the Crimson Tide.
He was also a shut down, like game changing gunner
for them, who would use that four to two speed
to fly down the field and blow up a punt
returner before he had a chance to do anything. Nick
Saban's recruit has coached special teams units that were fucking
eleven to five stars top to bottom, and he goes

(50:24):
this Keu Robinson kid, He's the best I've ever seen
do it that to me, people ever look special teams
in the value there. I remember three four years ago
when everyone was furious about how the Broncos Special Teams
unit was costing them points on a weekly basis. Investing
in players like Hugh Robinson is how you don't only
avoid those horrible mistakes, but you make your special teams

(50:50):
unit in actual like benefit a factor to your team's
ability to win games.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
I love the way that you put that I was
distracted because there's a comment in here that I'm just
going to call out real quick and then we're going
to get back on track because we don't have time.
But Will Toppers has found your comments on early man
and their low IQs and their abilities to take on gorillas.
So I just wanted to point out that the conversation
is strong and it is still going. So shouts out

(51:19):
to Will and his doubt on or maybe his doubt
on the gorilla. I don't know at this point where
he stands.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
I guess it would be kind of done in the
gorilla giving I don't know, giving cavemen more credit. We
can't give them IQ tests, so it's hard to say,
but there is the Flynn theory or the Flynn theorem,
which is that and it's pretty proven dating back to

(51:45):
like nineteen hundred that every decade humanity, you know, just
with generations going on, you know, us being able to
speak and everything, we pass on our knowledge to the
next generation. That's why we evolved the ability to speak
and why it's been so valuable to us. We can
and you know, pass on information to each other, make
others smarter than we are. Shout out to Let'slock Bronco's podcast.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Am I right?

Speaker 2 (52:10):
But so like, yeah, every ten or so years you
see the IQ raised by three points. Now, obviously that
doesn't go back to cavemen times because we'd be looking
at negative three thousand IQ. But the idea that you know,
if we hover around one hundred on average, that they
fall fell, you know, sixty seventy. I don't think that's
far fetched in the slightest They were just getting out

(52:32):
of the trees. That's not true. That's that part's wrong.
Don't listen to that part. But everything else I said
was accurate.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
You are on such a roll there, d Bronx said,
just saying the Jeremy Cross Shop pick better get as
long as this segment is Q all right, well you
ask and ye shall receive the assie from the EMU planes. EMU, EMU, EMU.
Why can't Why is that word.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
You were MoU?

Speaker 1 (53:04):
It's mew. It's got to be emo from the EMU planes. Listen.
I know Patrick Keyoti was excited about this pic. Punter,
you needed a punter. There may not be a punter
battle for training camp, which I think this is the
saddest thing to come out of this pick that we
just don't have to wait to see that play itself
out here in the summer months as we get ramped

(53:26):
up for twenty twenty five. Uh, really excited about this. Yes,
Australia did fight in a war against emu's and many
a life were lost, which is a perfect opportunity to
talk more about the idea that could one hundred people
take on a singular EMU easily.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
I will say, Uh, you can look up the EMU War.
It lasted I think one one month, one week, one day,
or one year, one month, one week. I forget it's
something easy like that. But uh, the humans gave up.
The Australia conceded the EMU war, which is a very
depressing detail. If you ever need a talk shit to

(54:05):
an ossie, I'd start there. But Jeremy Kroshaw, you know,
I like it. I think he's the best punter in
this draft. And it was a position of need for
the Broncos. No one likes to think about specialists, and
understandably so. But their punter going into this or going
into the draft was Matt Hawk, brother of Mike, who

(54:27):
has never done or not never hasn't been a starter
in the NFL each of the last three seasons, I believe,
definitely not the last two. I think it's three. He's
been called into action as like the guy team's sign
when their punter gets hurt. So he's not one of
the thirty two best punters in the world, and he

(54:48):
was the only punter of the Broncos hat so absolutely
an area they probably needed to improve. Absolutely an area
they needed to improve. Yeah, this guy's the best put
in the draft. I'm not going to act like I
was breaking down punter film, but the twenty eight punts
inside the twenty to only four touchbacks to be that

(55:10):
speaks to precision. He had a down year in terms
of net average this year, and he was at thirteenth
in all of college football and that metric. So talking
about a guy who can boom it and seemingly boom
it accurately. So let's go Jeremy crash Off. That's not
a punter, that's a punter.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
You know this is all d Bronk's fault because he
specifically requested that Sta vamp into the punter skid. But
all right, the dude. Everyone complains about taking a punter
until you end up with the worst average starting field
position in the league when the season is done. Congratulations
for the comments of the night, the dude, I think
you're absolutely right when it.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Comes to that. Sorry, comments like that pulled the whole
room together. Sorry, I need you.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
I appreciate that more than anything. So thank you for
interrupting me before I did last piece. And I want
you to take it into undrafted free agents. We already
talked a little bit about Caleb Loher. I just wanted
to know if you had anything to add before I
asked you, what was your favorite acquisition after the draft
had ended.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Ooh, let me get a different udfa's name in my brain,
because I can only think of the one right now,
and he was not my favorite. I do think we
let's talk about Clay Web a little bit. We already
talked about Loan, but Clay Web, for those that don't know,
was a five star offensive line recruit to the University

(56:41):
of Georgia. Right, how did this guy end up at
a small school and going undrafted. Well, he decided in
high school before he got to the University of Georgia
that it would be a funny idea along with some classmates.
He was the one who did the act, but some
other classmates egged on the drink to drink it. But
he painted a bottle of power aid. I think you guys,

(57:05):
if someone wants to figure out how he painted it,
feel free to google that he painted a bottle of
power aid. And yeah, reading the story made me feel
a littlequeasy. Him and a group of other high schoolers
convinced a different high schooler to drink it and led
to a whole lawsuit situation. Does seem like there were
maybe additional field concerns there with him too, not aware

(57:30):
what those are. I'm only aware of the one thing.
But if you know, one undrafted free agent is going
to make the roster, I hate to say it, the
Broncos knee depth on the interior offensive line, that's where
this guy plays, and he was a five star that
was headed to Georgia. I haven't watched any Jacksonville State
offensive line film, but the pedigree is there that it

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suggests to me that maybe he's the guy that makes
it out of the bunch, the one I'll be rooting for. Though,
where was it Arkansas State wide receiver Courtney Jackson. Understandably,
people aren't overly excited with the wide receiver edition of

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Pat Bryant. Courtney Jackson is a fun you know, bet on,
an athlete out of Arkansas State. See what happens, you
know I And he didn't commit a really heinous gross crime.
So he is the guy I will highlight.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Yeah, when you talk about character concerns, when they come
to the egregiousness of the right, I don't know, man.
I'm sad that I found this out today. I'm sad
that I found it out here live on Let's Talk Broncos.
But I also can't stop but laugh at what the
chat is doing right now. So you're missing out if
you're watching anywhere else but overr on YouTube search. Let's

(58:55):
Talk Broncos and during the conversation.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Jason's comments, great, that's really good. I'll I'll say Zan
shout out to ZANB twenty one on Twitter forgiving me
for putting out the tweet that made me the most
queasy in a long time. It was like, what was it?
Teams was like a Broncos coaches after they cut Clay

(59:22):
Web and it was like them all eating donuts and man,
that was a foul video. I cannot handle it. Uh
but no, yeah, it was. It was gross. Don't like
that one overall. My favorite pick away from the UDFA,
my favorite pick I think I go John A.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Barron.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
There's just a lot of elements of it I think
are really exciting with what he allows you to do defensively,
and if he lives up to his potential, it only
makes certain more deadly and it makes life for offenses
in the passing game very very difficult, where whoever your
top boundary guy is or whatever you want to do
on the boundary, Sir Tan can lock that down, and

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whatever you want to do in the slot, Baron can
lock that down, and it really leaves you with one option.
And like, Sir Tan's value isn't just he shuts down
a guy, it's hey, we've got one on one and
now we can shift our math elsewhere. He changes the
math for a defense and allows you to deploy your
other ten players differently. If you've got that with one

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defensive back and that with another defensive back, where they're
each taking away more than just their one man, you know,
and changing the math for the defense, you can have
a tremendous coverage advantage with the other nine guys covering
the other three. And obviously not all of those nine

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guys are dropping back in coverage, but with the other
nine players rushing the passer slash, dropping back and coverage
to defend the other three eligible receivers, it's it really
is game changing. So that idea it's not going to
be their Week one, but knowing that it could get
there has me very, very excited to watch Baron's career

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play out.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
I love that I have nothing to add to that pick.
I think that's my ultimate favorite. But d Cole brings
up a very great point that I want to end on.
I heard good things about Utah linebacker Korean Read and
with green Law being injured injury prone, he's got a
shot to make the roster. In my opinion, I'm on
that train if you are d Cole. But I'm also
under the idea that all of the cornerbacks and safeties

(01:01:30):
that you can possibly amass on your offseason workout undrafted
rookie camp Sota's et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. If
we can just have them stalked to the brim, I'm
going to feel really good about going into this twenty
twenty five season. Justin Neale said, if this defense is
below top five, should advance be fired. It's so early

(01:01:51):
for that conversation, Jason Yale, I think, but Zach, I'll
let you end on that note. We'll get out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Sure. No. I now, expectations for this defense should be high.
I think like fans should demand this defense is at
least a top three unit with how much they've invested
in it. That said, defense, like year to year, defensive
play is one of the least sticky stats we see

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in the league. Offense year to year is pretty sticky.
You got a good offensive play caller, you got a
good quarterback. Those two elements have such a dramatic impact
on how the entire unit plays, and if you've got
good ones, they often stay entrenched, so good offense one
year is oftentimes a good offense the next year. Defense, though,

(01:02:39):
because it's not just the eleven starters, You've got sub
package players and you need depth in case of injuries.
It's a rotating cast of fifteen sixteen characters who all
have a more or less equal impact on things. Defense
is just there's such a wide amount of variance year

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year when it comes to defensive performance. That said, they
got to be at least top ten. They've invested too
much in this defense for them to not be clearly
in above average unit. If they finished the year and
they're like thirteenth, I don't think it's crazy to go.
We need to be getting more out of our investments.

(01:03:20):
Let's not let Jim Leonard leave the building. Let's promote
him to defensive coordinator. I don't think that'll come to
fruition though. I think Vance is gonna have a top
three defense in the league this year. Maybe get a
head coaching job and things will work out pretty nicely.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
I love it, No, Paul, You're the best the dude.
Wait for it before you go. Last Bronco's Last Chance
Broncos Nation. Well, that's already strike one for you, straight
head coaching, swap shot and shot in Himer for baiton. Yes, yes, yes, no.
The answer the final answer is no. Thank you though

(01:03:56):
for asking.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
I don't blame the Cowboys fan for trying. It is
amazing Cowboys didn't wind up with Sean Payton when Jerry
Jones had that plan for seemingly like a half decade
and then eventually it was like, nah, Mike McCarthy, we
got to go that route instead, And you know it
did not really work out for him, but fingers crossed
for you, the dude Hope Javonte as well for you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Yeah, I get it right. It's Bronco Land, just kidding.
Broncos Country will bid you a do and we'll see
Saint Bos Broncos