March 16, 2025 • 55 mins
#Broncos #BroncosCountry #NFL #DenverBroncos #FreeAgency On today's episode, the LTB crew is reunited to debate what the Denver Broncos' best signing so far has been, how the Broncos defense now compares to the league's elite, and more! LTB's Free Agency Tracker: https://letstalkbroncos.com/denver-br... Check out the website: https://letstalkbroncos.com/ Altitude Adjustment Shop: https://altitudeadjustmentshop.com/ Catch the Let's Talk Broncos Podcast Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays on the Let's Talk Broncos YouTube, by clicking subscribe below and ringing the bell for notifications, or by searching 'Let's Talk Broncos' wherever you listen to podcasts!!
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
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Speaker 1 (00:36):
Oh guys, we're back. Let's talk Broncos threemacist Joey Richards,
Zack Seers, it's been a while. Welcome to the show,
at least for me. I know the boys have been
going strong, but it's free agency period, and that's why
it's important that we're all back as a trio. Lots
of things have been happening for us and the Denver Broncos,
and I'm happy to be back. So if you're in
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the chat watching, or if you're over on Twitter, you
can go on over to the YouTube and jump in
to have a conversation along with us. All Carter Sunday
Pod dub. That is true. I'm going to take a
moment right now to go on over and retweet the
show so it's available for everyone to consume, because why
else would I not be here?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Zach.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
This is your friendly reminder to you the same, gentlemen.
Don't be too excited about it. Did you enjoy your
weekends thus far? Joey, I'm gonna start with you, Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Yeah, weekend was a blast. Saint Patrick's Day always always,
always ridiculous. That's when I get into my most ridiculous
mode is during Saint Patrick's Day every year, so it
was fun. I'm a little more tired than i'd want
to be here for let's talk roncers, especially with such
a fun episode in Free Agency, but I guess couldn't
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miss it for anything, right, It's gonna be a blast.
I'm just I'm getting jacked up even just like thinking
about it right now.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I love Breeze setting us up knowing we were irresponsible
yesterday on Saint Patti's Day, and she was at home
being responsible, taking care of herself and lobbing us up
with us. So how's your guys this weekend going? Knowing
we were both violently not twelve hours ago.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Well, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I just take a
different route in life, and I was napping while you
guys were being degenerate. So I appreciate it. Thank you
for not calling me old and just calling me responsible.
I super appreciate it. Have a birthday coming up on Saturday,
so get your birthday wises in now for me and
is twenty seven years old. Finally I can get a
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rent a car without having to pay absurd amount of
insurance head on over to Let's talk moroncos dot com
if you want to track all of the free agency
and off season moves over on the free agency Tracker.
I dropped the link to the site in the comments,
but if you want to get the article, it's there
as well. Should be right there on the front page.
That seekers did a tremendous job with tracking all of
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that during the busy period. So Zach, thank you for
that that allows us to talk about it. Did you
have something to update us about on that?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I will say, like to get ready for this episode,
I was looking for like a Broncos free agency tracker
I could just easily refer to to have all the
information at hand that you know, we might be discussing
players that are leaving coming in that they had interest
in but didn't ultimately sign. All that stuff. I'm dead serious.
No other site has it. We have it on LTB.
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There is not a single free agency tracker out there
more thorough about the Broncos. Like NFL and ESPN, they
got one for all the teams. That's just like who
they all signed. They don't have who the Broncos like
interviewed or who the Broncos have been looking at or
reported to have interest in and all that jazz. I've
got it all. It's the best free agency tracker in
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Broncos country. Link is in the description below.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Check it out.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Not even being biased. When I tell you fanatic Dac said,
happy fun days. It's a fun day Sunday for me.
Was working all morning, Carter says, Zach tell everyone about
meaning bon Nix.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Oh god, dude, Okay, I'll even embarrass myself and try
and get the photo ready here. So I was at
the bars yesterday in downtown Denver for Saint Patrick's Day.
I was, I believe, the Larimer Beer Hall, and there
was this guy wearing an Organ Ducks jersey, like baseball jersey,
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and I was like he like, I knew it wasn't
bo Nix. I was like, he looks oddly like bo Nicks,
Like he looks weirdly like him, and the organ gears
a lot, and he was walking by and I was
just like hey, and before I could say another word,
he was like I know bo Nicks and like kept walking.
I was like, we must have heard it all day.
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And I embarrassed myself and was like, hey, I work
in Broncos media and I mean, it doesn't even.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Let's try to get a camera. That guy does look
so much like Bonix.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
It's actually gonna I think I don't see it.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Okay, here's my thing. It's not just me. When Brees
said that in the group chat yesterday, I was like, dang,
maybe I'm just way out of it. But he was
clearly annoyed because he had heard this all day. So
I feel like, at least I'm not crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
But you gotta go closer to the camera.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I think the selfie might not do it justice, admittedly,
but I'm telling you, guys, it was funny how much
you looked like and also how frequently he had been
getting it.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Guys, I think he could put Bonix in a crowd
and I'd be like, I don't know, maybe you know,
out of context, if he wasn't like maybe if he
had a hat on. Maybe I'm terrible at that. I'm
not somebody who's like, oh, you know who you look like?
Poor Joey gets like twelve a season on you know
who Joey Richards looks like?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
And so I do I get like twenty of those
like you said, every single year, and none of the people.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Look alike and that twice.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Edward Norton is crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, it's a lot of and then the people that
he uh is compared to don't even look alike. It's
not you know, if it's not people in the same
realm or anything.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Do you see now why I may be struggling to
see whether or not that guy resembled Bonix. I think
it's just a like, I don't know, some facial blindness
going on. But that's all right. I wanted that update, Carter,
thanks for dropping that in the chat. Oh, we got
a new one for you, Carter says, Joey. You got
some Mason Taylor and you're not gonna lie. There's a
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new one. I'm sure mus will clip them up. Give
you a little chart to go over all of those.
As I'm waiting for people to trickle in the chat.
Welcome back Freemistice and let's talk Broncos. Joey Richards and
Zack Seekers. It's been a while since I called you
guys the wrong name. I'm glad I didn't forget who
you were in my absence, but let's jump into it.
It's been a crazy time. Let's talk. Broncos dot com
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has all you need for keeping track of everything that happened,
but we do kind of want to talk about, you know,
who the Broncos were able to re sign and whether
or not there's some extensions coming down the pike. But
the additions to the Broncos defense I think are the
most popular conversation story that's going on, because on paper,
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I'm willing to bet that this Broncos defense is the
strongest in the league presently as it stands. You sign
a Drake green Law and a Fanga and you immediately
get this nastiness, this bite to this defense. And we
were talking about it last offseason that there wasn't that
sort of dog in them. There wasn't one guy who
stood out who was that heavy hitter, hard hitter who
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brought that sort of zest to the locker room. And
I think you've changed that entirely with these two editions.
And we saw the Broncos naturally kind of grow into
that with Nick Benito really taking a up and getting
kind of feisty in his comfortability in his position. But
now you've got two guys with chemistry on their former teams,
obviously being the Niners, coming in and joining a third
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nin er in DJ Jones and just sort of building
on what was already there. So the foundation has shifted.
And I'm very like, I'm not even being a homer
in this take when I say this defense could be
even scarier than they were this past season. Zach, Are
you shocked in that kind of Is that a hot
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take to you?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
No, I'm glad you brought this up. It's been something
I've been trying to get on KOA Sports or Broncos
Country Tonight this week, producing those shows and you know,
making the rundowns for those and throwing out different topics,
and we've never ended up getting to it this past week.
But a topic I kept putting on there is is
it fair to expect this Broncos defense to be the
best in the league? Which I think maybe sounds rich
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at face value, but I think when you drill down
into it, it's not that crazy. Their only lost is
Cody Barton, and they're immediately replacing that with uh Dray
Greenbott who's a better player, Like, so you're upgrading there.
We're also talking about one of the two areas of
weakness on this defense at linebacker and then its safety.
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Those are the two, and you're replacing them with high
end players. The only concerns with these players, not to
say they're perfect otherwise, but the concerns with these players
are they going to be on the field, Not like
Cody Barton, like, oh well, he's an extreme liability and
run defense, but he's a he's a solid cover guy.
That's the conversation we were having about linebacker last year.
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And you look at again the top defenses from a
season ago, it's the Chargers who lost Joey Bosa. You know,
they've added I think poona Ford if I'm remembering correctly,
or brought poon a forward back, but he was already
on their defense. It looks like they brought in Benjamin
Saint Juice Juice and Dante Jackson and.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Shot A.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Too just had a rough year, a very talented player,
but at a rough season last.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Year totally, And that's not one that I think excites
you in any sense. But they didn't add anyone serious.
The Eagles lost a ton of pieces, you know, with
Milton Williams, Josh Sweat out the door, two of the
best free agents on the market. Chiefs lost Justin Reid
that was one of the top five defenses A season ago.
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The Vikings they also maybe got better, retained a lot
of their key pieces. But of the elite defense, the
defenses from a season ago, the Broncos and Vikings are
the only ones. I think you can make the case
they got better over this past week or two and
it's very exciting. These guys also just fit the scheme
so well. I cannot wait to see them on the
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field together.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I love it. I love your excitement and your optimism. Joey,
my question, I want you to answer that as well,
whether or not you feel like this defense is even scarier.
But Zach brought up injuries which were the immediate after
effect of those two acquisitions. But we heard some really
reassuring things from Niners reporters that they aren't concerned and
they were actually devastated to see both of those players leave,
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that those injuries may not be as problematic as one
may be. Caution to make a move like that. Green
Law obviously came back in twenty twenty four. But are
you one feeling concerned about those two pieces, those injuries,
and how do you feel about the defense moving forward
for the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
I mean, yeah, I do think there is like at
least somebody. It would be wrong in me not to
acknowledge that at least that these two players have had
injury concerns. Now, Zach has brought up some interesting commentary
about the type of injuries, and it's hey, like ifung
go like last year it was, I think it was
a wrist injury was what was hampering him for most
of the time. Am I correct and that Zach was
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a rist injury?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah, risk injury.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
So I don't know, I feel like fine with that,
I do. I want to look more at the track
racker in these last two seasons is where if Inga
has had the injuries the most, it is a little scary.
I mean, the details haven't come out yet on the contracts.
That's what would decide for me whether how scary it
actually is, right if they're more easy to get out
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of sooner rather than later in their contracts, because those
injuries do start to add up. Okay, not as scary
as if you lock them up for a five year
and it's hard to get out of type deals. So
at the end of the day, though, going back to
your first question, this defense should be expected to be
better than last year's. I don't even think that's a question.
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I think that should be the expectation. Brago's defense was
really good last year. They just got better. Why would
I expect them to be any worse. The only reason
I could see that is if you either have some
regression from guys like maybe Nick Benito isn't able to
recreate how many like the amount of pressures and sacks
and big splash plays like that pick six right.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Or injuries that would be ye.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Otherwise, I am fully expecting this Broncos defense to be
one of the best in the NFL. I hope Vance
Joseph is able to do it, because I would say
for his resume, if I'm looking out for Vance Joseph
right now on his resume, that's kind of what he's missing.
He hasn't had many elite tier defenses. I think it
would also be very fair for the Broncos if that
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did happen and they have one of the best defenses
in the league this year.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Van Joseph will be hired so all the head coach.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Next year, so all the motivation for him to have
this defense flying around and being awesome as well.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I agree, and I think they've you talked about the
contract structuring there, I think they've set themselves up well.
We don't have the Greenlock guarantees yet, but it does
seem like they're set up well to get out of
the Hafanga and the Greenlaw deals if they were to
go south. A twenty million guaranteed on the Hufanga deal
and he's making around the chefter report said up to fifteen,
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so we still don't know if it's maybe a little
less than all the reporting I've seen since says fifteen.
So they're probably on the hook for a year, and
then if you wanted to get out of it after
this first year, you're going to be dealing with like
somewhere between five and ten million dollars a dead cap
just because the first year won't be fully guaranteed, you know.
So that's not bad at all. We just felt with
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eighty some with RUSS, so that five to ten million
not that bad there. Green Law we don't know the
same thing. I'm thinking that there's only like the Hafangadi,
it's probably a year or a year and a half guaranteed.
And I think that's really impressive. Because I'm behind on
my NFL podcast and I've been listening to him, and
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they're all projecting dra Greenlaw signs like a one year,
ten million dollar deal, twelve million dollars like around the
AAV he signed with the Broncos, and then hopefully he
can be healthy and then sign a much bigger extension
a year from now, which I think would have happened
if he was able to stay on the field. All
these free ages players have something wrong with them for
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like lack of a better term. There's some reason why
they were allowed to hit the market, and I think
the least problematic reasons are the team that used to
have them had too many other good players and just
couldn't afford to keep these guys anymore. That applies to
green Law and Hufanga, And as Joey brought up, the
injury concerns, I don't think are too too bad. We've
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seen green Law off the achilles he was moving really
really well before going back out again, and then Hufanga
he had the acl But outside of that it's been
like the wrist injury. I'm not worried about that recurring.
And we had a forty nine ers beat rider Matt
Barrows from the Athletic on Broncos Country or koa Sports
this week, and he talked about the risk injury and
described it as a freak accident whenever it happened, and
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something that wouldn't happen again. So I think maybe two
guys with bad luck and the Broncos will get great value.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Brent town says some used cars with some upside jokes aside, Zach,
That's what I was referring to. I said, yeah, maybe
some of those concerns maybe aren't as large as they
should be. But the Broncos made smart and strategic moves
during this free agency period that put them in a
space well above where I was anticipating them to go.
And there was another acquisition I will get to. But
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that's when I will switch to the offense, because I
have a couple of questions centered around, okay, great, now
what but overall, are you guys giving them an A,
A B for this free agency period? Joey, do you
have a letter grade you want to throw out there?
It can be arbitrary, it can be completely rhetorical because
the score doesn't matter here.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
I think I think I'm going B on both because
I like the players a lot, right.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
The players are really good.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
I think the value on the contract if they stay
healthy is really.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Good as well.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
The only reason I feel like they both aren't getting
paid even higher than what the Broncos ended up giving
them were because of the injuries, like the market value
reflected off of that. So I would give them bes.
And the only reason it's not in A is because
it's not perfect. You didn't get somebody that doesn't have
any question marks at all. So still really solid and
I like it a lot.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And wait and on free agency as a whole, are
these two signings.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
He either I, again, we're just doing.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Es Man got you in general, I think it's a
dang like a B plus A. Honestly, if we're going
in general, i'd probably give them an A. You know,
overall these two signings, I'm probably with Joey's kind of
on the B plus A minus tier. For me, I
want to see those green lad guarantees. I think that's
a huge difference maker. If you're able to get out
of that after one season, awesome, you know, like you
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there's very minimal risk in that deal. If you're kind
of on the hook for two, I think it's a
little more complicated, but it's hard to drop my phone.
It's hard for me to find moves they made that
I have a problem with. The move I dislike the
most is re signing Mitchell FORBONI to be like, I
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looked at it like the fifteenth highest paid long snapper
and Breeze laughing because it's such a trivial thing. And
that's kind of the point. I gave it like a
C grade because I was like, I don't know what
to give this, and you know how much credit am
I supposed to give you for like spending a lot
of money on long snapper I was getting.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I was more gass that we made it seventeen minutes
and forty four seconds in before Zach went special teams
long snapper, punter kicker offended. But Zach are right because
of the minutia of all those deals, it's a pretty
it's pretty hard to find a concern here as you
look through what they were able to do, even as
we saw, you know, like Trent Sherfield's contract come through,
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and then the signing with Evan Ingram, which I do
want to get to, but I did want to say,
I'm a little sad that we saw Cody Barton walk.
I know that we got improvement there with Drake Greenlaw,
but that loss there for a position group that needs
the depth and the ability to really stand firm and
with the concerns that we've had in the secondary scene
some Grussia ever since Justin Simmons left, like there's just
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a little bit of a concern on what they need
to do. And my brain goes immediately to the idea
that you draft the best lineman, the best defensive lineman,
whoever wherever they may be, and you prevent any of
that from bleeding through because you're gonna need the depth there,
even with bringing DJ Jones back. But because I mentioned them,
and I'm all over the place here because we have
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a lot of news and I feel like I'm new here,
Let's talk about Joe. You mentioned Benito, Benito, Zach Allen
and Jonathan Franklin Myers will all be important conversations moving forward.
When it comes to money, are you now concerned with
you know who will get retained past the twenty twenty
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five season. Zach, you're the money, the numbers, the stats guy.
Which one concerns you the most? Because I know Jonathan
Franklin Myers has been verbal about his need to have
an additional contract, and I think he's been here about
a year now. I want to highlight I believe all
of them are imperative, and I want to keep everyone.
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But that's not always the name of the game here
at NFL INC. Zach, what does it look like to you?
Speaker 3 (20:11):
I actually think John Franklin Myers is the least concerning one.
I think it's the most combustible, but it's the one
I am by far least worried about combusting. I think
you want Nick Benito part of your long term plans.
I know something that's what you aren't in the same
vote there, Zach Allen too where and I get what
you mean, Like I think JFM is the one that's
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teetering the most, that's the one in the greatest danger
of going bad. Even with that in mind, I wonder
if jfm's in their long term plans, you might not
want to re up him in the first place. So
that one is probably the least important. I'd say the
one I'm most concerned with, or the least concerning to be,
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just because I'm not worried if he leaves. Frankly, I
think you need to replace him with some sort of
series investment, like you said, for your first round pick
or some thing. But I think they're maybe even planning
on him leaving. Zach Allen to me, still has some
questions that I think he has to prove some stuff.
Zach Allen is only getting better year over literally over
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his entire career. You could go back to his rookie
year in Arizona. Every year he's just gotten a little
bit better, and it's an amazing talent. One of the
best defensive players in the league. He deserved some defensive player.
I think all the defensive player of the year buzz
that Benito got last year should have been going to Allen.
I think the Broncos should have had two defenders getting
some love in that conversation, but the second one should
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have been Allen. He not Chris Jones level, but just
a shade under it. I mean, remarkable talent. That interior
pressure is so incredibly valuable too. I just you gotta
lock him up and then tackle Benito, and then maybe
you can move some guarantees around to give Jonathan frankl
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Meyer some guarantee money this year or something, and hope
appeas in that way.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
I also agree with everything Zach said.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Literally all of it.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Atomic says he doesn't like how Vocal JFM has been
through the whole ordeal. This guy's in LTB underscore Joey's
comments section, letting it be known how irritated he is
with his contract situation. He's in mind like it is
a little much, I think, And I don't know how
much this actually helps get a deal done. It just
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makes it more worried for me that I don't think
it's going to happen. If I'm being honest, I think
that's the one that you have to watch out for me.
And I have nothing against John fredend Myers, by the way.
I think he's an extremely good football player. Like I
think he was one of the more underrated additions to
this team and quite a bit this last season. But yeah, no,
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I think that he is the one you have to
watch out for out of all of them, as the
most likely to leave. And then I would go Nick
Benito in a world where I'm trying to sell high,
I do think there's a possibility that high is now.
I do think that, not saying that I want him
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off the team or anything like that, I just don't
know if he's going to be able to like replicate
what he did last year. That's just a question mark
I have. Whereas Zach Allen, I've seen players look like this,
play like that, like, play with that style like and
be successful a lot. Nick Benito is more of a
speed rushy doesn't set the edge very great in the run,
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but really good at getting pressure to the quarterback. He's
also good when they drop him back into coverage as well.
I just think there's more questions in spots in his
game than Zach Allen.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah, and I think that regression could possibly happen. I mean,
we've seen it with a guy like Vic Beasley before,
who led the league in sacks and then never got
close to it again. I don't think that'll be his trajectory,
but that one, I do think it makes more sense
to wait and see on I wonder if that could
trade him John Franklin Myers.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
That is, I would keep him this year, man next
year you get rid of him, like I think.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
If he's disgruntled, you could flip him for something if
you're planning on letting him walk anyways. I mean, that's
how they acquire JFM in the first place.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
YEA.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Also, I wonder if some of it's not also players
that some of them like to be a little more
online than others, and that it is perhaps just just
a just a way that he handles stuff. Some of
them don't check their Twitter account, and some of them
are on there, you know, daily finding in name searching,
which is which is fine. I just don't know if
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there's really a level of I don't know. Some of
the responses have been like, Okay, we'll see, and I
don't know if I can directly comment on whether or
not that's just an individual who really knows their worth
and is going to be vocal about it, or someone
who sits in the in the in the back and
lets the agent sort of work with the team to
figure that out and isn't involved so much on vocalizing that.
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So I think it's just different strokes for different folks.
I want to keep them all. I don't like when
the defense has turnover because I feel like that is
such a sticky situation to get yourself into. Zach, I
think you're going to say something, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I'll just say George Peyton has pretty consistently to his
credit dealt with these different financial frustrations that have cropped
up before camp. You know, we see plenty of teams
around the league. This rages through training camp, through the preseason.
You know, maybe it's even a sticking point throughout the
regular season. I think Peyton has done a really good job,
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like with Sutton last year, finding a way. Okay, how
can we free up a few more million dollars to
give you to make you happy and keep you around
this year without necessarily frying us on the back end.
So I'm optimistic they'll even with JFM, I think they'll
find something to get them through this upcoming season.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I think you gotta do it all right, guys, We're
going to switch over to the other side of the
ball because it is time. Although I could talk about
defense for the rest of the show and be just fine.
Browntown had a question, it's what's the LTB microscope on
wide receiver Trent Sherfield. I know this news kind of
broke when Zach and I were doing some Broncos country tonight.
He was in my ear saying that there was a
big move or a move. The Trent Sherfield kind of
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came out of left field for me. I wasn't expecting it,
but turns out it's a pretty contract appropriate Special Teams moved.
My question to you both before you get into the
nitty gritty of talking about this prospect in general, this
new Denver bronco is do you feel like this is
a Darren Rizzy signing specifically you think he asked specifically
for a player or this player in general, giving him
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taking over Special teams in assistant head coaching, Joey, I'm
gonna start with.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
You, I would think that he would have say in
a move like this, Bree, I think if you're a
special team's coach, you have an eye out for this.
Like I don't necessarily think Sean Payton is looking at
Special Teams players and being like that's the one we need, right,
I do think that they have people in place to
go and find players like this. Now, where I do
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think Sean Payton might have some say so specifically with
Sherfield is he's a tremendous blocker at the wide receiver position.
If you go online, you type in his name on
Twitter and you start looking at the clips, all the
clips are going to be blocking reps from him, which
is something we all know. Sean Payton values a ton
and That's why little Jordan Humphrey has a spot on
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this team and gets as much playing time as he
does is because he's a great, great blocker. Yeah, he's saying,
you're right here. Could he take Humphrey's job as an
elite blocker. I think there's a possibility that he could
slide into that role. I don't necessarily, I don't know.
I think that's going to be more of a camp
battle right there between those two. I would say only
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one of them makes it. Now, with Sherfield having the
special teams value he does, he might have the slide
edge even but Sherfield will also now be competing snaps
with Evan Ingram, which is someone little Jordan Humphrey, which
is someone we haven't really talked about yet.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
To this tight end comment here, there's been reports about
Little Jordan Humphrey currently trying to bulk up to make
a move to tight end, which I also think tells
you he pretty much is. Yeah, But that I also
think tells you Sherfield's yeah, kind of a replacement for
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that role, at least in the receiver room, because Little
Jordan Humphrey didn't just do that on a win that
happened because his receiver coach or the offensive coordinator or
Sean Payton had a conversation with him about, hey, your
best chance to make the roster next year, just so
you know, is going to be bulking up and being
like a move.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Tight end for us.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
That's your best chance. And then they signed this guy
who does a lot of the same stuff LITL Jordan
Humphrey was doing last year wide receiver and offers special
teams value that LITL Jordan Humphrey never did. I think
this is like a Treymont Smith, and if the signing
goes to plan, which these things don't plenty of times,
I think the vision is he is replacing Little Jordan
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Humphrey and Treymont Smith. He's giving you that like a
scunner that Tremont Smith was for much of last year,
and he's hopefully giving you that blocking presence on early
downs as a slot receiver which lild Jordan Umphrey was
helping you out with last year. I think that's the vision.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
I do think even if Little Jordan Humphrey bulks up,
and I mean I was talking with you guys in
the group chat about this, there's so much in between
world that we don't talk about with this tight end
and wide receiver thing. Lil Jordan Humphrey dem Well could
have been listed as tight end last year, like he
could bulk up, get bigger.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I think his role.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
If fifteen pounds heavier, is the exact same thing we
saw this last year. All you're doing is just switching
the title of it. Like when I first read that,
I was like, he is playing like move tight end already,
Like what That's what he did last year. They just
want him to be bigger in that role. That's the
way I looked at it.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
No, that makes sense. It just man, I don't think
position changes are ever a good omen for players, you
know what I mean? Sometimes they work out, but we
hear Drew Sanders, I think it's typically not about I
think you're really good at this other thing and more ooh,
we don't want you here anymore. So let's see if
we can make this work a different way.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Can it be also the emphasis that we take players
and place them into positions. Joey's been talking about it
a lot on the emphasis of a tight end and
what that role is and the difference in the roles
when you're considering the position. But why can't we have
the variability and the versatility with Swiss Army knife players
like a little Jordan Humphrey and a Marvin Mims and etcetera,
et cetera, et cetera, where we're not trying to pigeonhole
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them on what those responsibilities should look like as you
consider them, Like we're talking about moving little Jordan Humphrey
to a position that would then require long term development
in three different facets of the game, a tight end, right,
So I think that maybe it's less about trying to
make the pieces fit. And I'm very logical and analytical
where I struggle with that, but I'm trying to be
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more open minded in the idea where we're not necessarily
looking at individuals for where they're placed, but what their
speciality and skill set is. I'm not saying you guys, aren't.
I'm just walking through where my brain is going with
this conversation of it's a really interesting concept to consider
who's really good at the certain things the Broncos are
lacking when you look at the tight end group that
we've been frustrated with for two and a half years,
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in even longer because I start going back to a
Noah fan in albert O Kuebnam, like there were question
marks on what their strong points were, and we were
trying to force them into this hole and fit them
into this area in which they just were not going
to have success in.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Yeah, I think that's kind of like what Seohan Payton's
saying with the joker thing. I don't even know if
he really has a full fleshed out thought or like
idea of if I'm talking about a guy that can
play running back or he's a tight end. Joker pretty
much just means mismatch, like you know what I mean,
Like the he's calling a running back and a tight
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end a joker, but have any of the same responsibilities
at all.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
At all in the middle of the field that uses
that space and it was for a time, and it
was Jimmy Graham for a time, and I think.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
It's Yeah, No, I just don't think it's like a
position like people are making it sound necessarily like I
I that's where it's more of a description of a
type of player. They're looking for a guy that can
do this and that could happen at multiple positions, Like
going back to the the whole tight end imagine if
little Jordan Humphrey was just listed as tight end this year,
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I don't think there would be nearly as many people
saying we need little Jordan Humphrey off the field because
because people want it looks like he's competing against Marvin Mims.
Their responsibilities aren't the same. It's or Courtland Sutton. Their
responsibilities aren't the same if you now put him in
the bucket of Adam Trautman.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
So like, Okay, yeah, no, I think he could's he
might be a little better than that guy. You know,
it's just.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I think so, oh go ahead, sorry, Just.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
To your point about the positional versatility, where I think
the problem just comes into if you have too many
one trick ponies, like definitely you want to get everybody
in their right role. I think the over like do
you need a Trent Surfield and a little Jordan Humphrey
on your offense when this team has never, at least
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my knowledge, rostered six receivers on a Final fifty three
under Sean Payton. So you got Sudden, you got Vallet,
you got Nim's, you got h Franklin, You've got who
am I forgetting? I know, I'm forgetting an obvious one.
We've got those four his locks you can just start
there or relative locks. Franklin might get pushed off, but
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got those four. That leaves Surfield in Humphrey kind of competing.
To Joey's point, the label and a wide receiver, a
tight and label Surefield, whatever though you want to label them,
they're gonna be I think in that same kind of
offensive role. And I think the problem is do you
need to guys in that role. You want the Swiss
Army Knights to your point, but you want the guys
that can offer you more, and I think Surefield offers
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them more, and that's why the ultimately w.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Multiple facets for the price point. I know Nick Ferguson
and I were talking about that. You want to be
able to get the most out of your choice and
whoever fits that many roles. I think we're seeing that
also the progression of like the athlete, you want to
be good at a multitude things. You want to specialize
in something. You want to be the best at what
you can do, but that oftentimes means grabbing onto two
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different skills there and not trying to man explain what
versatility is. However, I did want to jump on over.
Jo always said the magic word, which I was trying
to prevent myself from saying in my own right, I know,
and I do too, because honestly, my idea of what
that role is is somebody organically growing into it. But
we've jumped. We've jumped the shark ladies and gentlemen because
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the Broncos signed Evan Ingram, a tight end who now
may have been specifically told that that is the role
that they are going to be playing. And I'm okay
with it, and I'm gonna tell you why, because when
that gift was posted over on X, I lost my mind.
Like it gave me the goose bumps, it gave me
the feels. I'm all about how something resonates within me,
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and that got me, as Joey likes to put it,
jacked up for this upcoming season. And so Atomic six
twenty six says, Yeah, I don't think Ingram was a joker,
but considering his post, I'm guessing Sean told him otherwise.
And that's okay, because we're going to lean into the
vibes now like that. That is where we have to
be in this decision making process. First and foremost Zach,
I'm gonna throw it over to you just just firstly,
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but I Evan Ingram and you know, having different players
sort of linked to the Broncos, maybe maybe not. This
offseason has been very tight lipped and zipped up, so
we didn't really have an idea of who the Broncos
traditionally were interested in, but we heard players being connected
to the Broncos, amongst that being Juwan Johnson. We can
throw in like a Cooper Coup. We can throw in
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a bevy of other individuals who were available in the
free agency period that started to get lapped up. But
I feel like Evan Ingram was sort of the guy
Sean Payton saw and needed and had to have, and
it just took a while for the sides to come together.
He obviously left the facility and then a deal was done.
So how do you feel about Evan Ingram becoming a
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Bronco and what role do you see in? And try
not to say the Jay word because I just want
to know a simplicity standpoint, does this make the offense? Yeah?
Was he What is he going to bring to this table?
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah, He's going to be that Heath Ledger. He's going
to be that Jared Leto. You know, he's he's going
to be that Jack Nicholson and I and I know
everyone's tired with it, I think. And here's why everybody's
tired with it, because Sean Payton kind of threw out
a pretty simplistic concept but through an exciting buzzword on it.
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And so now it's like, oh, who's the joker going
to be? If you listen to the whole quote he
kind of to what you guys are saying, it's a
receiver that's going to exploit the middle of the field
because we currently have these uh you know, did too
high shell coverages. That's what a lot of the league
is doing what's kind of in vogue right now. And
as a result of those split safety coverages either cover
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for or cover two, what's known as the middle of
the field open looks right that if you think about it, right,
if you've got like the one safety high, they're in
the middle of the field. If you got the two,
there's that lane in the middle. Like that's so as
a result, there's that that hole in the middle. Also,
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these defenses are trying to keep everything in front of them,
they're playing further off there's a natural void, like the
soft belly of the defense, and we're seeing some teams
exploit that with the run game. The Broncos are also
trying to do that. But how do you exploit that
area through the passing game with a play that catches
balls there? You know, that's the joker, the guy who
is where because you're boundary receiver, he's not doing that,
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or your two boundary receivers they're not doing it. Your
slot receiver could maybe do it. That's what Jimmy Graham
was doing when he was at tight end. You know,
running backs have done it in the past. That's that's
what it is, and that's what Ingram's gonna do in
this offense. He's going to be used in that intermediate
part of the field, and I think that's a great
role for him right now. I think he's very strong
at the catch point. A lot of what the Jags
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were doing with him last season was like, let's get
this guy the ball in the flat or on a
screen and just let him create after the catch, which
is crazy at the tight end position like Broncos. The
Broncos haven't had anything like that was supposed to be that,
but I don't think they've had anything like that since
Julius Thomas, and I don't think Thomas was even that
dynamic after they probably since like Shannon Sharp. So I
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think if hits a natural role, I think he's going
to be that plug and play Harvey Dent or not
Harvey Dnister, true my batman there, that plug and play
Jack Nicholson figure. But I think they'll probably draft someone too,
probably not in the first round at this point, but
in the middle rounds. It's just tight end is a
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developmental position. I don't think this incredibly pressing need is
something you want to target with or fill with a
mid round rookie.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
I am really happy about this signing to put this
in perspective for people. And he's obviously older now he's
gotten to thirty, But when Evan Ingram was coming out
of college, this is a four four to two athlete
in that big of a body. Ridiculous ceticism. Yeah, you
have faster than Judy.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Right, Judy was a four or five, So that's that's
a hair faster four.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Four five Yeah, and yeah, Ingram is a four to
four to two guy coming out of oil miss. Supremely
great athlete there and I think he's going to be
serving more of a similar role to what Lil Jordan
Humphrey did last year. I've said that multiple times. I
think that is kind of the role more similar he'd
be playing. And then it just adds so much more
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to that role being the receiver he is. He eclipses
Little Jordan Humphrey as a receiver absolutely, and man Sehn's
gonna have him going running across the field just being
a mismatch the entire year. It's really gonna be great.
I think that this is a great pairing. I'm gonna
be curious to.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
See his numbers at the end of the year.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
You know, I don't necessarily think this is a guy
that's going to serve maybe like a I don't know
if this is a nine hundred yard guy, but I
think he maybe comes in at more of like a
six hundred yard per season player here for Avenue Grim
and that's gonna help a lot. I mean, this receiver
room needs it, and that's kind of where I consider
him as more than a tight end.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
You get Jackson the chat here saying, big body receiver,
You're going to create a lot of separation and see
a lot of buttery routes, and that's what I'm excited
about because it's going to be a little bit different
than what we've seen in the past when you're thinking
about routes run by a Troutman or a Adkins or
a Kroll. I'm just looking for a little bit more
spice coming out of this Broncos offense. And that's what
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the hopes of these signings they're hoping to do. You
get another target for bon Nicks, and you get a
comfortability standpoint because Cortland Sutton is still up in the air.
And I don't see how the Broncos don't draft a
wide receiver, but I think they have the opportunity to
go hard on offense. And gentlemen, my kind of final
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question to you is, now that this has all transpired,
they're in a great position to now seek depth in
positions that were a need. I still feel like there's
a little bit of help there needed on the edge,
but I've already had my d line soapbox moment. Talk
to me about an all offense draft. You know, obviously
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the best player available is in a defensive alignment. Are
you going tight end, tight end, running back, running back
and just like loading it on because the break even
point is sort of where we're at now. But Javonte
Williams goes to the Cowboys. We kind of knew he
was long for not on the Denver Bronco's roster, but
afric estimate did not come along in the way in
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which we had hoped for. But there's time, right, There's
there's time. But the window is now. So how do
they attack this draft? Joey? Is it all all offense
all the time? Here? Is that what you're you're seeing
now that they've made these moves.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
I think I still think I could see, especially we
talked about the John Franklin Myers thing. I could see
a defensive lineman Gobrie, and that would make you happy.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
I could definitely see that.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
It's a strong defensive line draft from what you like,
a lot of people like a lot of defensive linemen
in the early rounds here, So I could see the
Broncos go twenty.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Maybe it's an interior defensive lineman. That is a door.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
You just want to keep feeding that group because it's
right when you think that you're going to be really
solid there.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
And we don't.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
We don't have to worry about it is where you
fuck up, because the year after that, you're definitely gonna
have a problem. Somebody's gonna be hurt, somebody's gonna regress
with older age, somebody's gonna leave in free agency. There's
always gonna be something that happens in a group where
you really need, like, you know, like five guys to
rotate in right there for your interior. So it's the
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same thing with offensive line. But I do think I
would prefer offense. If the perfect player at running back
fell to you at twenty I just think that that
would help this season more than any other position you
could possibly add on the broncice so and again very strong,
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So I would be looking at running back. It just
makes too much sense in my head, especially now that
they haven't addressed it. All that's happened is the running
back room has gotten worse. They had a player leave,
and it was already maybe the one of the worst,
if not the worst running back group in the league
last year.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
So yeah, I think the running back could have a
you know, Zeke Elliott in twenty sixteen, you know, to
go away from like the veteran Saquon Barkley example, but
like Zee Elliot twenty sixteen type impact on the Broncos offense.
I think it's the could be the rug that puts
the whole pulls the whole room together. You know, he's
a big Lebowski reference. I think that might be ideal
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if you get Gentee or Hampton or like really those
two that I think are legit worthy of top twenty picks.
I think defensive line would also be a great first
round selection. Though we talked about JFM. I think there's
a great chance he's out the door. Honestly, probably more
likely than not. I think it's hard to imagine paying
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fifteen million to him and you know, twenty five million
to Zach Allen. I think they'll probably I could be wrong.
I think they're gonna let JFM walk, and it's great
to have him for this season, but that's going to
be an expensive need in the very near future. And
if this season goes to plan, you're going to be
drafting in the mid twenties next year, you know, not
at twenty, especially in a weaker defensive line class too.
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If you want to get an awesome defensive lineman, this
awesome cheap defensive lineman, this year's first round is probably
going to be the Broncos' best opportunity for the foreseeable future.
So I think it makes a lot of sense there
a guy like a Walter Nolan or I see Derek
Harmon getting mentioned by LTV mus who could fill like
just slot in behind those guys. And also there is
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an immediate need for it, because Zach Allen was playing
something like just an absurd snap right. I forget the
exact numbers, but way more snaps per game than any
other defensive lineman total snaps. He was second barely to
Chris Jones, and Chris Jones played all those extra games
trying to win a Super Bowl. You cannot do that
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again to Zach Allen, Drafting a defensive lineman in the
first round would take a lot off his play and
a lot off jfm's play and allow you to get
the best versions of all the players. They could also
use cornerback help later, maybe sech help later, developmental linebacker later.
So not offense all the time, but I'm with Joey,
I would like them to lean offense overall.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yeah, definitely Atomic six to twenty six. I did want
to ask one more question because everything has spurred one
more question from me. I think a dominant run game
can help your defense by keeping them off the field
a dominate time of possession. Yeah, we've seen the struggles
and we've seen how they're all interconnected on the success
of the Steenver Broncos team. You got a tired defense.
It's not going to be great, need more turnovers in general.
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But the run game has been so explicitly not neglected
because there have been efforts made to ramp this up,
but there's not a whole lot of long standing trust
in the current room or in the current room as
it stood and now as it stands. So the idea
is you're obviously going to want to tackle that in
the draft. But would adding Denest Johnson or JK. Dobbins
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or I think even Gus Edwards is out there right like,
would a veteran running back presence help give a safety
net given the correct price, in order to ensure that
you're at least not falling through the floor of what
was already a really bad run game for the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Sack dang it. I would like to see them at
a veteran.
Speaker 4 (47:19):
Guys, you know what, you know, you're just like all
three of us weren't here for quite a while.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
But we are back. Baby. You just see that. That's
what's happening. We're back. That was it back moment ever?
Dang it?
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Uh oh JK Dobbins. I think it'd be a good signing.
I think I want to see them at a veteran
to the room, just so they're not forced to double
up on running back in the draft. I would kind
of like to see them double up on running back
at the draft, but I don't think they don't have
a ton of picks. They have I think seven in total.
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You know that's they've got enough needs that it's kind
of hard to double up on running back with that
number of picks. I don't want them to be forced
to do that because they didn't address it sooner. Veteran
like JK. Dobbins, who will be even another year removed
from his achilles injury, maybe looks even better. I think
is literally the perfect signing. Pree and your point about
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atomics point about kind of the ball control style of
play we're seeing enter the game, I just as the
analytics stork, I gotta geek out for a second. That
is something we're seeing. We're seeing way fewer drives per
game and like fewer possessions per game, and as a result,
the value of every possession is so much higher. So
that means drive changing moments, like an explosive play that
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makes it dramatically more likely you're going to score, or
a sack or a takeaway that on one play ends
a drive. Those are becoming Obviously they're already valuable, they're
becoming more and more value valuable because there's a lesser supply,
we're having less plays, so those really noisy spikes are
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getting even more weight to them. So there's absolutely value
and substance in getting that kind of physical ball control
style team. And it's the reason you're seeing a lot
of teams do it right now.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
I just I say this all the time, but I
feel like it's ignored sometimes just from everybody in Broncos country,
even more than even more than Like, the Broncos are
going to draft a running back that is going to
like that they think is really good at running the
ball this year.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
I think that's fair.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
Where it's where I have doubts is any of these
running backs coming in year one?
Speaker 2 (49:32):
And what's up?
Speaker 4 (49:35):
I have serious dazz of any of these running backs
coming in year one and being able to pass protect
or the coaching staff having any faith in them pass protect.
It's more than just being big and physical. I need
to know what the quarterbacks say. I need to be
able to actually slide and get into the spot and
know which guy I'm picking up, and to be able
to process all of that coming at you have running
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back position.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
It's a lot.
Speaker 4 (49:59):
I would put my faith in a rookie to be
able to do that consistently, which is where someone like
I don't know some of those people you just named
Plaka Gusa Edwards.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Maybe I don't.
Speaker 4 (50:10):
I would have to watch the film to know how
they are in past profs. Well, yeah, that's why I
wasn't opposed to saying, hey, Javonte, come back for a
year for the three million dollars or whatever. You're really
not gonna run the ball much anyways. I just want
you here for the pass protection moments. They need that
even more than a vet that's really good at running
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right now, because they're gonna be able to draft a
guy that does that.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
I think that's a great point. That said, not Nick Chubb.
I see love for Nick Chubb cropping up guys. I
loved him myself. He was a great player.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
Man.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
He had a much more gruesome injury than Javonte Williams
and was considerably worse than Javonte Williams last year. It
didn't play nearly as much. But if you include him
and like any of those stats like EPA per rush
or success Rader, like trying to look at what he
was bringing to the table. He was one of the
worst running backs in football last year. And I mean
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his niece. His leg snapped in half the wrong way,
you know, and he's a running running back, Like, that's
not good. I don't and he's already getting up there
even if he was totally healthy. Just there's fifteen options
I could probably name that are better than Nick chobb.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Uh snapping your leg in the right way, I don't
think exists. But now the visual is stuck in my
brain and I don't want to think about it anymore.
I just recalled Deanis Johnston running crazy on this Broncos team,
and the Broncos played the Browns. He had like all
of the yards and we did nothing to stop him.
So I recall that. But yeah, as far as past
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protection goes, not sure. Joey, I think we should do
some digging there next up. Wanted to get to a
super chat and I think it's just great that it's
in time with my first show back on Let's Talk
Broncos Kodiak Broncos Podcast A fort ninety nine. Don't to
make sure that I continue to do this show. That's
what I'm considering it. Signing Domins makes a ton of sense.
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Other running back free agents free agent options at point
at this point are atrocious and Hebrew ide stability if
the rookie we draft needs time to address or rookies.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
Joey, I I think one thing here you know in
the statement, other running back free agent options at this
point are atrocious.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
I agree with this.
Speaker 4 (52:26):
Now here's something I also think that we can keep
in mind though There's going to be a lot of
running backs that are dropped come training camp time, and
I think there is a good shot yeah and post draft, yeah,
especially with the influx of amount of draft doable running
backs are coming in the league right now and a
lot of them will need a roster spot because it's
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just that talented of a group. I wouldn't be mad
if the Broncos just sat through this period and started
to see, Okay, what other moves are happening out there
before we make a decision at for the vet option
of the room. I think that that would be a
fair thing from Sean Payton, and it might even be
better because, like you said, I don't think any of
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the running back like available running backs at the moment
are like pushing the needle at all in any direction.
Speaker 3 (53:15):
It's just like, Okay, we got that guy.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Whatever.
Speaker 4 (53:17):
It's not a big deal and.
Speaker 3 (53:20):
It doesn't matter at all this year because the Broncos
they're not getting any compics for this year. They lost
no big free agents. They've signed a few anyways. But
there's also value for waiting in those years when you
can get compics because signings made after the draft. I
forget the exact date, but it's you know, later in
free agency or after the draft don't count against the
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compensatory formula. You kind of get this second wave of
signings all of a sudden because teams are like, hey,
we want to design this player. Didn't want to hurt
our chances of getting like an extra seventh round pick,
so we waited a week, but now we'll bring him in.
So another motivation for waiting.
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continue to have a conversation of what's to look forward to.
The Broncos have made many moves, but there's still a
lot to come and then it's going to be training
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stay tuned for coverage from that event. We're still working
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all of you because we know that's what you're looking
forward to gentlemen, I am going to bow out gracefully
and trying not to ramble off of this podcast. Good night,
we bid you farewell, and we'll be back soon. Take
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care of go brocks.
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Speaker 1 (00:36):
Oh guys, we're back. Let's talk Broncos threemacist Joey Richards,
Zack Seers, it's been a while. Welcome to the show,
at least for me. I know the boys have been
going strong, but it's free agency period, and that's why
it's important that we're all back as a trio. Lots
of things have been happening for us and the Denver Broncos,
and I'm happy to be back. So if you're in
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the chat watching, or if you're over on Twitter, you
can go on over to the YouTube and jump in
to have a conversation along with us. All Carter Sunday
Pod dub. That is true. I'm going to take a
moment right now to go on over and retweet the
show so it's available for everyone to consume, because why
else would I not be here?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Zach.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
This is your friendly reminder to you the same, gentlemen.
Don't be too excited about it. Did you enjoy your
weekends thus far? Joey, I'm gonna start with you, Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Yeah, weekend was a blast. Saint Patrick's Day always always,
always ridiculous. That's when I get into my most ridiculous
mode is during Saint Patrick's Day every year, so it
was fun. I'm a little more tired than i'd want
to be here for let's talk roncers, especially with such
a fun episode in Free Agency, but I guess couldn't
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miss it for anything, right, It's gonna be a blast.
I'm just I'm getting jacked up even just like thinking
about it right now.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I love Breeze setting us up knowing we were irresponsible
yesterday on Saint Patti's Day, and she was at home
being responsible, taking care of herself and lobbing us up
with us. So how's your guys this weekend going? Knowing
we were both violently not twelve hours ago.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Well, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I just take a
different route in life, and I was napping while you
guys were being degenerate. So I appreciate it. Thank you
for not calling me old and just calling me responsible.
I super appreciate it. Have a birthday coming up on Saturday,
so get your birthday wises in now for me and
is twenty seven years old. Finally I can get a
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rent a car without having to pay absurd amount of
insurance head on over to Let's talk moroncos dot com
if you want to track all of the free agency
and off season moves over on the free agency Tracker.
I dropped the link to the site in the comments,
but if you want to get the article, it's there
as well. Should be right there on the front page.
That seekers did a tremendous job with tracking all of
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that during the busy period. So Zach, thank you for
that that allows us to talk about it. Did you
have something to update us about on that?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I will say, like to get ready for this episode,
I was looking for like a Broncos free agency tracker
I could just easily refer to to have all the
information at hand that you know, we might be discussing
players that are leaving coming in that they had interest
in but didn't ultimately sign. All that stuff. I'm dead serious.
No other site has it. We have it on LTB.
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There is not a single free agency tracker out there
more thorough about the Broncos. Like NFL and ESPN, they
got one for all the teams. That's just like who
they all signed. They don't have who the Broncos like
interviewed or who the Broncos have been looking at or
reported to have interest in and all that jazz. I've
got it all. It's the best free agency tracker in
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Broncos country. Link is in the description below.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Check it out.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Not even being biased. When I tell you fanatic Dac said,
happy fun days. It's a fun day Sunday for me.
Was working all morning, Carter says, Zach tell everyone about
meaning bon Nix.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Oh god, dude, Okay, I'll even embarrass myself and try
and get the photo ready here. So I was at
the bars yesterday in downtown Denver for Saint Patrick's Day.
I was, I believe, the Larimer Beer Hall, and there
was this guy wearing an Organ Ducks jersey, like baseball jersey,
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and I was like he like, I knew it wasn't
bo Nix. I was like, he looks oddly like bo Nicks,
Like he looks weirdly like him, and the organ gears
a lot, and he was walking by and I was
just like hey, and before I could say another word,
he was like I know bo Nicks and like kept walking.
I was like, we must have heard it all day.
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And I embarrassed myself and was like, hey, I work
in Broncos media and I mean, it doesn't even.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Let's try to get a camera. That guy does look
so much like Bonix.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
It's actually gonna I think I don't see it.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Okay, here's my thing. It's not just me. When Brees
said that in the group chat yesterday, I was like, dang,
maybe I'm just way out of it. But he was
clearly annoyed because he had heard this all day. So
I feel like, at least I'm not crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
But you gotta go closer to the camera.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I think the selfie might not do it justice, admittedly,
but I'm telling you, guys, it was funny how much
you looked like and also how frequently he had been
getting it.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Guys, I think he could put Bonix in a crowd
and I'd be like, I don't know, maybe you know,
out of context, if he wasn't like maybe if he
had a hat on. Maybe I'm terrible at that. I'm
not somebody who's like, oh, you know who you look like?
Poor Joey gets like twelve a season on you know
who Joey Richards looks like?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
And so I do I get like twenty of those
like you said, every single year, and none of the people.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Look alike and that twice.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Edward Norton is crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, it's a lot of and then the people that
he uh is compared to don't even look alike. It's
not you know, if it's not people in the same
realm or anything.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Do you see now why I may be struggling to
see whether or not that guy resembled Bonix. I think
it's just a like, I don't know, some facial blindness
going on. But that's all right. I wanted that update, Carter,
thanks for dropping that in the chat. Oh, we got
a new one for you, Carter says, Joey. You got
some Mason Taylor and you're not gonna lie. There's a
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new one. I'm sure mus will clip them up. Give
you a little chart to go over all of those.
As I'm waiting for people to trickle in the chat.
Welcome back Freemistice and let's talk Broncos. Joey Richards and
Zack Seekers. It's been a while since I called you
guys the wrong name. I'm glad I didn't forget who
you were in my absence, but let's jump into it.
It's been a crazy time. Let's talk. Broncos dot com
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has all you need for keeping track of everything that happened,
but we do kind of want to talk about, you know,
who the Broncos were able to re sign and whether
or not there's some extensions coming down the pike. But
the additions to the Broncos defense I think are the
most popular conversation story that's going on, because on paper,
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I'm willing to bet that this Broncos defense is the
strongest in the league presently as it stands. You sign
a Drake green Law and a Fanga and you immediately
get this nastiness, this bite to this defense. And we
were talking about it last offseason that there wasn't that
sort of dog in them. There wasn't one guy who
stood out who was that heavy hitter, hard hitter who
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brought that sort of zest to the locker room. And
I think you've changed that entirely with these two editions.
And we saw the Broncos naturally kind of grow into
that with Nick Benito really taking a up and getting
kind of feisty in his comfortability in his position. But
now you've got two guys with chemistry on their former teams,
obviously being the Niners, coming in and joining a third
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nin er in DJ Jones and just sort of building
on what was already there. So the foundation has shifted.
And I'm very like, I'm not even being a homer
in this take when I say this defense could be
even scarier than they were this past season. Zach, Are
you shocked in that kind of Is that a hot
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take to you?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
No, I'm glad you brought this up. It's been something
I've been trying to get on KOA Sports or Broncos
Country Tonight this week, producing those shows and you know,
making the rundowns for those and throwing out different topics,
and we've never ended up getting to it this past week.
But a topic I kept putting on there is is
it fair to expect this Broncos defense to be the
best in the league? Which I think maybe sounds rich
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at face value, but I think when you drill down
into it, it's not that crazy. Their only lost is
Cody Barton, and they're immediately replacing that with uh Dray
Greenbott who's a better player, Like, so you're upgrading there.
We're also talking about one of the two areas of
weakness on this defense at linebacker and then its safety.
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Those are the two, and you're replacing them with high
end players. The only concerns with these players, not to
say they're perfect otherwise, but the concerns with these players
are they going to be on the field, Not like
Cody Barton, like, oh well, he's an extreme liability and
run defense, but he's a he's a solid cover guy.
That's the conversation we were having about linebacker last year.
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And you look at again the top defenses from a
season ago, it's the Chargers who lost Joey Bosa. You know,
they've added I think poona Ford if I'm remembering correctly,
or brought poon a forward back, but he was already
on their defense. It looks like they brought in Benjamin
Saint Juice Juice and Dante Jackson and.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Shot A.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Too just had a rough year, a very talented player,
but at a rough season last.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Year totally, And that's not one that I think excites
you in any sense. But they didn't add anyone serious.
The Eagles lost a ton of pieces, you know, with
Milton Williams, Josh Sweat out the door, two of the
best free agents on the market. Chiefs lost Justin Reid
that was one of the top five defenses A season ago.
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The Vikings they also maybe got better, retained a lot
of their key pieces. But of the elite defense, the
defenses from a season ago, the Broncos and Vikings are
the only ones. I think you can make the case
they got better over this past week or two and
it's very exciting. These guys also just fit the scheme
so well. I cannot wait to see them on the
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field together.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I love it. I love your excitement and your optimism. Joey,
my question, I want you to answer that as well,
whether or not you feel like this defense is even scarier.
But Zach brought up injuries which were the immediate after
effect of those two acquisitions. But we heard some really
reassuring things from Niners reporters that they aren't concerned and
they were actually devastated to see both of those players leave,
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that those injuries may not be as problematic as one
may be. Caution to make a move like that. Green
Law obviously came back in twenty twenty four. But are
you one feeling concerned about those two pieces, those injuries,
and how do you feel about the defense moving forward
for the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
I mean, yeah, I do think there is like at
least somebody. It would be wrong in me not to
acknowledge that at least that these two players have had
injury concerns. Now, Zach has brought up some interesting commentary
about the type of injuries, and it's hey, like ifung
go like last year it was, I think it was
a wrist injury was what was hampering him for most
of the time. Am I correct and that Zach was
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a rist injury?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah, risk injury.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
So I don't know, I feel like fine with that,
I do. I want to look more at the track
racker in these last two seasons is where if Inga
has had the injuries the most, it is a little scary.
I mean, the details haven't come out yet on the contracts.
That's what would decide for me whether how scary it
actually is, right if they're more easy to get out
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of sooner rather than later in their contracts, because those
injuries do start to add up. Okay, not as scary
as if you lock them up for a five year
and it's hard to get out of type deals. So
at the end of the day, though, going back to
your first question, this defense should be expected to be
better than last year's. I don't even think that's a question.
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I think that should be the expectation. Brago's defense was
really good last year. They just got better. Why would
I expect them to be any worse. The only reason
I could see that is if you either have some
regression from guys like maybe Nick Benito isn't able to
recreate how many like the amount of pressures and sacks
and big splash plays like that pick six right.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Or injuries that would be ye.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Otherwise, I am fully expecting this Broncos defense to be
one of the best in the NFL. I hope Vance
Joseph is able to do it, because I would say
for his resume, if I'm looking out for Vance Joseph
right now on his resume, that's kind of what he's missing.
He hasn't had many elite tier defenses. I think it
would also be very fair for the Broncos if that
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did happen and they have one of the best defenses
in the league this year.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Van Joseph will be hired so all the head coach.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Next year, so all the motivation for him to have
this defense flying around and being awesome as well.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I agree, and I think they've you talked about the
contract structuring there, I think they've set themselves up well.
We don't have the Greenlock guarantees yet, but it does
seem like they're set up well to get out of
the Hafanga and the Greenlaw deals if they were to
go south. A twenty million guaranteed on the Hufanga deal
and he's making around the chefter report said up to fifteen,
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so we still don't know if it's maybe a little
less than all the reporting I've seen since says fifteen.
So they're probably on the hook for a year, and
then if you wanted to get out of it after
this first year, you're going to be dealing with like
somewhere between five and ten million dollars a dead cap
just because the first year won't be fully guaranteed, you know.
So that's not bad at all. We just felt with
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eighty some with RUSS, so that five to ten million
not that bad there. Green Law we don't know the
same thing. I'm thinking that there's only like the Hafangadi,
it's probably a year or a year and a half guaranteed.
And I think that's really impressive. Because I'm behind on
my NFL podcast and I've been listening to him, and
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they're all projecting dra Greenlaw signs like a one year,
ten million dollar deal, twelve million dollars like around the
AAV he signed with the Broncos, and then hopefully he
can be healthy and then sign a much bigger extension
a year from now, which I think would have happened
if he was able to stay on the field. All
these free ages players have something wrong with them for
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like lack of a better term. There's some reason why
they were allowed to hit the market, and I think
the least problematic reasons are the team that used to
have them had too many other good players and just
couldn't afford to keep these guys anymore. That applies to
green Law and Hufanga, And as Joey brought up, the
injury concerns, I don't think are too too bad. We've
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seen green Law off the achilles he was moving really
really well before going back out again, and then Hufanga
he had the acl But outside of that it's been
like the wrist injury. I'm not worried about that recurring.
And we had a forty nine ers beat rider Matt
Barrows from the Athletic on Broncos Country or koa Sports
this week, and he talked about the risk injury and
described it as a freak accident whenever it happened, and
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something that wouldn't happen again. So I think maybe two
guys with bad luck and the Broncos will get great value.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Brent town says some used cars with some upside jokes aside, Zach,
That's what I was referring to. I said, yeah, maybe
some of those concerns maybe aren't as large as they
should be. But the Broncos made smart and strategic moves
during this free agency period that put them in a
space well above where I was anticipating them to go.
And there was another acquisition I will get to. But
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that's when I will switch to the offense, because I
have a couple of questions centered around, okay, great, now
what but overall, are you guys giving them an A,
A B for this free agency period? Joey, do you
have a letter grade you want to throw out there?
It can be arbitrary, it can be completely rhetorical because
the score doesn't matter here.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
I think I think I'm going B on both because
I like the players a lot, right.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
The players are really good.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
I think the value on the contract if they stay
healthy is really.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Good as well.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
The only reason I feel like they both aren't getting
paid even higher than what the Broncos ended up giving
them were because of the injuries, like the market value
reflected off of that. So I would give them bes.
And the only reason it's not in A is because
it's not perfect. You didn't get somebody that doesn't have
any question marks at all. So still really solid and
I like it a lot.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And wait and on free agency as a whole, are
these two signings.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
He either I, again, we're just doing.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Es Man got you in general, I think it's a
dang like a B plus A. Honestly, if we're going
in general, i'd probably give them an A. You know,
overall these two signings, I'm probably with Joey's kind of
on the B plus A minus tier. For me, I
want to see those green lad guarantees. I think that's
a huge difference maker. If you're able to get out
of that after one season, awesome, you know, like you
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there's very minimal risk in that deal. If you're kind
of on the hook for two, I think it's a
little more complicated, but it's hard to drop my phone.
It's hard for me to find moves they made that
I have a problem with. The move I dislike the
most is re signing Mitchell FORBONI to be like, I
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looked at it like the fifteenth highest paid long snapper
and Breeze laughing because it's such a trivial thing. And
that's kind of the point. I gave it like a
C grade because I was like, I don't know what
to give this, and you know how much credit am
I supposed to give you for like spending a lot
of money on long snapper I was getting.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I was more gass that we made it seventeen minutes
and forty four seconds in before Zach went special teams
long snapper, punter kicker offended. But Zach are right because
of the minutia of all those deals, it's a pretty
it's pretty hard to find a concern here as you
look through what they were able to do, even as
we saw, you know, like Trent Sherfield's contract come through,
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and then the signing with Evan Ingram, which I do
want to get to, but I did want to say,
I'm a little sad that we saw Cody Barton walk.
I know that we got improvement there with Drake Greenlaw,
but that loss there for a position group that needs
the depth and the ability to really stand firm and
with the concerns that we've had in the secondary scene
some Grussia ever since Justin Simmons left, like there's just
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a little bit of a concern on what they need
to do. And my brain goes immediately to the idea
that you draft the best lineman, the best defensive lineman,
whoever wherever they may be, and you prevent any of
that from bleeding through because you're gonna need the depth there,
even with bringing DJ Jones back. But because I mentioned them,
and I'm all over the place here because we have
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a lot of news and I feel like I'm new here,
Let's talk about Joe. You mentioned Benito, Benito, Zach Allen
and Jonathan Franklin Myers will all be important conversations moving forward.
When it comes to money, are you now concerned with
you know who will get retained past the twenty twenty
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five season. Zach, you're the money, the numbers, the stats guy.
Which one concerns you the most? Because I know Jonathan
Franklin Myers has been verbal about his need to have
an additional contract, and I think he's been here about
a year now. I want to highlight I believe all
of them are imperative, and I want to keep everyone.
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But that's not always the name of the game here
at NFL INC. Zach, what does it look like to you?
Speaker 3 (20:11):
I actually think John Franklin Myers is the least concerning one.
I think it's the most combustible, but it's the one
I am by far least worried about combusting. I think
you want Nick Benito part of your long term plans.
I know something that's what you aren't in the same
vote there, Zach Allen too where and I get what
you mean, Like I think JFM is the one that's
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teetering the most, that's the one in the greatest danger
of going bad. Even with that in mind, I wonder
if jfm's in their long term plans, you might not
want to re up him in the first place. So
that one is probably the least important. I'd say the
one I'm most concerned with, or the least concerning to be,
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just because I'm not worried if he leaves. Frankly, I
think you need to replace him with some sort of
series investment, like you said, for your first round pick
or some thing. But I think they're maybe even planning
on him leaving. Zach Allen to me, still has some
questions that I think he has to prove some stuff.
Zach Allen is only getting better year over literally over
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his entire career. You could go back to his rookie
year in Arizona. Every year he's just gotten a little
bit better, and it's an amazing talent. One of the
best defensive players in the league. He deserved some defensive player.
I think all the defensive player of the year buzz
that Benito got last year should have been going to Allen.
I think the Broncos should have had two defenders getting
some love in that conversation, but the second one should
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have been Allen. He not Chris Jones level, but just
a shade under it. I mean, remarkable talent. That interior
pressure is so incredibly valuable too. I just you gotta
lock him up and then tackle Benito, and then maybe
you can move some guarantees around to give Jonathan frankl
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Meyer some guarantee money this year or something, and hope
appeas in that way.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
I also agree with everything Zach said.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Literally all of it.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Atomic says he doesn't like how Vocal JFM has been
through the whole ordeal. This guy's in LTB underscore Joey's
comments section, letting it be known how irritated he is
with his contract situation. He's in mind like it is
a little much, I think, And I don't know how
much this actually helps get a deal done. It just
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makes it more worried for me that I don't think
it's going to happen. If I'm being honest, I think
that's the one that you have to watch out for me.
And I have nothing against John fredend Myers, by the way.
I think he's an extremely good football player. Like I
think he was one of the more underrated additions to
this team and quite a bit this last season. But yeah, no,
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I think that he is the one you have to
watch out for out of all of them, as the
most likely to leave. And then I would go Nick
Benito in a world where I'm trying to sell high,
I do think there's a possibility that high is now.
I do think that, not saying that I want him
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off the team or anything like that, I just don't
know if he's going to be able to like replicate
what he did last year. That's just a question mark
I have. Whereas Zach Allen, I've seen players look like this,
play like that, like, play with that style like and
be successful a lot. Nick Benito is more of a
speed rushy doesn't set the edge very great in the run,
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but really good at getting pressure to the quarterback. He's
also good when they drop him back into coverage as well.
I just think there's more questions in spots in his
game than Zach Allen.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah, and I think that regression could possibly happen. I mean,
we've seen it with a guy like Vic Beasley before,
who led the league in sacks and then never got
close to it again. I don't think that'll be his trajectory,
but that one, I do think it makes more sense
to wait and see on I wonder if that could
trade him John Franklin Myers.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
That is, I would keep him this year, man next
year you get rid of him, like I think.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
If he's disgruntled, you could flip him for something if
you're planning on letting him walk anyways. I mean, that's
how they acquire JFM in the first place.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
YEA.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Also, I wonder if some of it's not also players
that some of them like to be a little more
online than others, and that it is perhaps just just
a just a way that he handles stuff. Some of
them don't check their Twitter account, and some of them
are on there, you know, daily finding in name searching,
which is which is fine. I just don't know if
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there's really a level of I don't know. Some of
the responses have been like, Okay, we'll see, and I
don't know if I can directly comment on whether or
not that's just an individual who really knows their worth
and is going to be vocal about it, or someone
who sits in the in the in the back and
lets the agent sort of work with the team to
figure that out and isn't involved so much on vocalizing that.
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So I think it's just different strokes for different folks.
I want to keep them all. I don't like when
the defense has turnover because I feel like that is
such a sticky situation to get yourself into. Zach, I
think you're going to say something, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I'll just say George Peyton has pretty consistently to his
credit dealt with these different financial frustrations that have cropped
up before camp. You know, we see plenty of teams
around the league. This rages through training camp, through the preseason.
You know, maybe it's even a sticking point throughout the
regular season. I think Peyton has done a really good job,
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like with Sutton last year, finding a way. Okay, how
can we free up a few more million dollars to
give you to make you happy and keep you around
this year without necessarily frying us on the back end.
So I'm optimistic they'll even with JFM, I think they'll
find something to get them through this upcoming season.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I think you gotta do it all right, guys, We're
going to switch over to the other side of the
ball because it is time. Although I could talk about
defense for the rest of the show and be just fine.
Browntown had a question, it's what's the LTB microscope on
wide receiver Trent Sherfield. I know this news kind of
broke when Zach and I were doing some Broncos country tonight.
He was in my ear saying that there was a
big move or a move. The Trent Sherfield kind of
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came out of left field for me. I wasn't expecting it,
but turns out it's a pretty contract appropriate Special Teams moved.
My question to you both before you get into the
nitty gritty of talking about this prospect in general, this
new Denver bronco is do you feel like this is
a Darren Rizzy signing specifically you think he asked specifically
for a player or this player in general, giving him
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taking over Special teams in assistant head coaching, Joey, I'm
gonna start with.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
You, I would think that he would have say in
a move like this, Bree, I think if you're a
special team's coach, you have an eye out for this.
Like I don't necessarily think Sean Payton is looking at
Special Teams players and being like that's the one we need, right,
I do think that they have people in place to
go and find players like this. Now, where I do
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think Sean Payton might have some say so specifically with
Sherfield is he's a tremendous blocker at the wide receiver position.
If you go online, you type in his name on
Twitter and you start looking at the clips, all the
clips are going to be blocking reps from him, which
is something we all know. Sean Payton values a ton
and That's why little Jordan Humphrey has a spot on
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this team and gets as much playing time as he
does is because he's a great, great blocker. Yeah, he's saying,
you're right here. Could he take Humphrey's job as an
elite blocker. I think there's a possibility that he could
slide into that role. I don't necessarily, I don't know.
I think that's going to be more of a camp
battle right there between those two. I would say only
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one of them makes it. Now, with Sherfield having the
special teams value he does, he might have the slide
edge even but Sherfield will also now be competing snaps
with Evan Ingram, which is someone little Jordan Humphrey, which
is someone we haven't really talked about yet.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
To this tight end comment here, there's been reports about
Little Jordan Humphrey currently trying to bulk up to make
a move to tight end, which I also think tells
you he pretty much is. Yeah, But that I also
think tells you Sherfield's yeah, kind of a replacement for
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that role, at least in the receiver room, because Little
Jordan Humphrey didn't just do that on a win that
happened because his receiver coach or the offensive coordinator or
Sean Payton had a conversation with him about, hey, your
best chance to make the roster next year, just so
you know, is going to be bulking up and being
like a move.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Tight end for us.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
That's your best chance. And then they signed this guy
who does a lot of the same stuff LITL Jordan
Humphrey was doing last year wide receiver and offers special
teams value that LITL Jordan Humphrey never did. I think
this is like a Treymont Smith, and if the signing
goes to plan, which these things don't plenty of times,
I think the vision is he is replacing Little Jordan
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Humphrey and Treymont Smith. He's giving you that like a
scunner that Tremont Smith was for much of last year,
and he's hopefully giving you that blocking presence on early
downs as a slot receiver which lild Jordan Umphrey was
helping you out with last year. I think that's the vision.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
I do think even if Little Jordan Humphrey bulks up,
and I mean I was talking with you guys in
the group chat about this, there's so much in between
world that we don't talk about with this tight end
and wide receiver thing. Lil Jordan Humphrey dem Well could
have been listed as tight end last year, like he
could bulk up, get bigger.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I think his role.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
If fifteen pounds heavier, is the exact same thing we
saw this last year. All you're doing is just switching
the title of it. Like when I first read that,
I was like, he is playing like move tight end already,
Like what That's what he did last year. They just
want him to be bigger in that role. That's the
way I looked at it.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
No, that makes sense. It just man, I don't think
position changes are ever a good omen for players, you
know what I mean? Sometimes they work out, but we
hear Drew Sanders, I think it's typically not about I
think you're really good at this other thing and more ooh,
we don't want you here anymore. So let's see if
we can make this work a different way.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Can it be also the emphasis that we take players
and place them into positions. Joey's been talking about it
a lot on the emphasis of a tight end and
what that role is and the difference in the roles
when you're considering the position. But why can't we have
the variability and the versatility with Swiss Army knife players
like a little Jordan Humphrey and a Marvin Mims and etcetera,
et cetera, et cetera, where we're not trying to pigeonhole
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them on what those responsibilities should look like as you
consider them, Like we're talking about moving little Jordan Humphrey
to a position that would then require long term development
in three different facets of the game, a tight end, right,
So I think that maybe it's less about trying to
make the pieces fit. And I'm very logical and analytical
where I struggle with that, but I'm trying to be
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more open minded in the idea where we're not necessarily
looking at individuals for where they're placed, but what their
speciality and skill set is. I'm not saying you guys, aren't.
I'm just walking through where my brain is going with
this conversation of it's a really interesting concept to consider
who's really good at the certain things the Broncos are
lacking when you look at the tight end group that
we've been frustrated with for two and a half years,
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in even longer because I start going back to a
Noah fan in albert O Kuebnam, like there were question
marks on what their strong points were, and we were
trying to force them into this hole and fit them
into this area in which they just were not going
to have success in.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Yeah, I think that's kind of like what Seohan Payton's
saying with the joker thing. I don't even know if
he really has a full fleshed out thought or like
idea of if I'm talking about a guy that can
play running back or he's a tight end. Joker pretty
much just means mismatch, like you know what I mean,
Like the he's calling a running back and a tight
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end a joker, but have any of the same responsibilities
at all.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
At all in the middle of the field that uses
that space and it was for a time, and it
was Jimmy Graham for a time, and I think.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
It's Yeah, No, I just don't think it's like a
position like people are making it sound necessarily like I
I that's where it's more of a description of a
type of player. They're looking for a guy that can
do this and that could happen at multiple positions, Like
going back to the the whole tight end imagine if
little Jordan Humphrey was just listed as tight end this year,
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I don't think there would be nearly as many people
saying we need little Jordan Humphrey off the field because
because people want it looks like he's competing against Marvin Mims.
Their responsibilities aren't the same. It's or Courtland Sutton. Their
responsibilities aren't the same if you now put him in
the bucket of Adam Trautman.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
So like, Okay, yeah, no, I think he could's he
might be a little better than that guy. You know,
it's just.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I think so, oh go ahead, sorry, Just.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
To your point about the positional versatility, where I think
the problem just comes into if you have too many
one trick ponies, like definitely you want to get everybody
in their right role. I think the over like do
you need a Trent Surfield and a little Jordan Humphrey
on your offense when this team has never, at least
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my knowledge, rostered six receivers on a Final fifty three
under Sean Payton. So you got Sudden, you got Vallet,
you got Nim's, you got h Franklin, You've got who
am I forgetting? I know, I'm forgetting an obvious one.
We've got those four his locks you can just start
there or relative locks. Franklin might get pushed off, but
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got those four. That leaves Surfield in Humphrey kind of competing.
To Joey's point, the label and a wide receiver, a
tight and label Surefield, whatever though you want to label them,
they're gonna be I think in that same kind of
offensive role. And I think the problem is do you
need to guys in that role. You want the Swiss
Army Knights to your point, but you want the guys
that can offer you more, and I think Surefield offers
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them more, and that's why the ultimately w.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Multiple facets for the price point. I know Nick Ferguson
and I were talking about that. You want to be
able to get the most out of your choice and
whoever fits that many roles. I think we're seeing that
also the progression of like the athlete, you want to
be good at a multitude things. You want to specialize
in something. You want to be the best at what
you can do, but that oftentimes means grabbing onto two
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different skills there and not trying to man explain what
versatility is. However, I did want to jump on over.
Jo always said the magic word, which I was trying
to prevent myself from saying in my own right, I know,
and I do too, because honestly, my idea of what
that role is is somebody organically growing into it. But
we've jumped. We've jumped the shark ladies and gentlemen because
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the Broncos signed Evan Ingram, a tight end who now
may have been specifically told that that is the role
that they are going to be playing. And I'm okay
with it, and I'm gonna tell you why, because when
that gift was posted over on X, I lost my mind.
Like it gave me the goose bumps, it gave me
the feels. I'm all about how something resonates within me,
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and that got me, as Joey likes to put it,
jacked up for this upcoming season. And so Atomic six
twenty six says, Yeah, I don't think Ingram was a joker,
but considering his post, I'm guessing Sean told him otherwise.
And that's okay, because we're going to lean into the
vibes now like that. That is where we have to
be in this decision making process. First and foremost Zach,
I'm gonna throw it over to you just just firstly,
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but I Evan Ingram and you know, having different players
sort of linked to the Broncos, maybe maybe not. This
offseason has been very tight lipped and zipped up, so
we didn't really have an idea of who the Broncos
traditionally were interested in, but we heard players being connected
to the Broncos, amongst that being Juwan Johnson. We can
throw in like a Cooper Coup. We can throw in
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a bevy of other individuals who were available in the
free agency period that started to get lapped up. But
I feel like Evan Ingram was sort of the guy
Sean Payton saw and needed and had to have, and
it just took a while for the sides to come together.
He obviously left the facility and then a deal was done.
So how do you feel about Evan Ingram becoming a
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Bronco and what role do you see in? And try
not to say the Jay word because I just want
to know a simplicity standpoint, does this make the offense? Yeah?
Was he What is he going to bring to this table?
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah, He's going to be that Heath Ledger. He's going
to be that Jared Leto. You know, he's he's going
to be that Jack Nicholson and I and I know
everyone's tired with it, I think. And here's why everybody's
tired with it, because Sean Payton kind of threw out
a pretty simplistic concept but through an exciting buzzword on it.
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And so now it's like, oh, who's the joker going
to be? If you listen to the whole quote he
kind of to what you guys are saying, it's a
receiver that's going to exploit the middle of the field
because we currently have these uh you know, did too
high shell coverages. That's what a lot of the league
is doing what's kind of in vogue right now. And
as a result of those split safety coverages either cover
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for or cover two, what's known as the middle of
the field open looks right that if you think about it, right,
if you've got like the one safety high, they're in
the middle of the field. If you got the two,
there's that lane in the middle. Like that's so as
a result, there's that that hole in the middle. Also,
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these defenses are trying to keep everything in front of them,
they're playing further off there's a natural void, like the
soft belly of the defense, and we're seeing some teams
exploit that with the run game. The Broncos are also
trying to do that. But how do you exploit that
area through the passing game with a play that catches
balls there? You know, that's the joker, the guy who
is where because you're boundary receiver, he's not doing that,
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or your two boundary receivers they're not doing it. Your
slot receiver could maybe do it. That's what Jimmy Graham
was doing when he was at tight end. You know,
running backs have done it in the past. That's that's
what it is, and that's what Ingram's gonna do in
this offense. He's going to be used in that intermediate
part of the field, and I think that's a great
role for him right now. I think he's very strong
at the catch point. A lot of what the Jags
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were doing with him last season was like, let's get
this guy the ball in the flat or on a
screen and just let him create after the catch, which
is crazy at the tight end position like Broncos. The
Broncos haven't had anything like that was supposed to be that,
but I don't think they've had anything like that since
Julius Thomas, and I don't think Thomas was even that
dynamic after they probably since like Shannon Sharp. So I
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think if hits a natural role, I think he's going
to be that plug and play Harvey Dent or not
Harvey Dnister, true my batman there, that plug and play
Jack Nicholson figure. But I think they'll probably draft someone too,
probably not in the first round at this point, but
in the middle rounds. It's just tight end is a
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developmental position. I don't think this incredibly pressing need is
something you want to target with or fill with a
mid round rookie.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
I am really happy about this signing to put this
in perspective for people. And he's obviously older now he's
gotten to thirty, But when Evan Ingram was coming out
of college, this is a four four to two athlete
in that big of a body. Ridiculous ceticism. Yeah, you
have faster than Judy.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Right, Judy was a four or five, So that's that's
a hair faster four.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Four five Yeah, and yeah, Ingram is a four to
four to two guy coming out of oil miss. Supremely
great athlete there and I think he's going to be
serving more of a similar role to what Lil Jordan
Humphrey did last year. I've said that multiple times. I
think that is kind of the role more similar he'd
be playing. And then it just adds so much more
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to that role being the receiver he is. He eclipses
Little Jordan Humphrey as a receiver absolutely, and man Sehn's
gonna have him going running across the field just being
a mismatch the entire year. It's really gonna be great.
I think that this is a great pairing. I'm gonna
be curious to.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
See his numbers at the end of the year.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
You know, I don't necessarily think this is a guy
that's going to serve maybe like a I don't know
if this is a nine hundred yard guy, but I
think he maybe comes in at more of like a
six hundred yard per season player here for Avenue Grim
and that's gonna help a lot. I mean, this receiver
room needs it, and that's kind of where I consider
him as more than a tight end.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
You get Jackson the chat here saying, big body receiver,
You're going to create a lot of separation and see
a lot of buttery routes, and that's what I'm excited
about because it's going to be a little bit different
than what we've seen in the past when you're thinking
about routes run by a Troutman or a Adkins or
a Kroll. I'm just looking for a little bit more
spice coming out of this Broncos offense. And that's what
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the hopes of these signings they're hoping to do. You
get another target for bon Nicks, and you get a
comfortability standpoint because Cortland Sutton is still up in the air.
And I don't see how the Broncos don't draft a
wide receiver, but I think they have the opportunity to
go hard on offense. And gentlemen, my kind of final
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question to you is, now that this has all transpired,
they're in a great position to now seek depth in
positions that were a need. I still feel like there's
a little bit of help there needed on the edge,
but I've already had my d line soapbox moment. Talk
to me about an all offense draft. You know, obviously
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the best player available is in a defensive alignment. Are
you going tight end, tight end, running back, running back
and just like loading it on because the break even
point is sort of where we're at now. But Javonte
Williams goes to the Cowboys. We kind of knew he
was long for not on the Denver Bronco's roster, but
afric estimate did not come along in the way in
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which we had hoped for. But there's time, right, There's
there's time. But the window is now. So how do
they attack this draft? Joey? Is it all all offense
all the time? Here? Is that what you're you're seeing
now that they've made these moves.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
I think I still think I could see, especially we
talked about the John Franklin Myers thing. I could see
a defensive lineman Gobrie, and that would make you happy.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
I could definitely see that.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
It's a strong defensive line draft from what you like,
a lot of people like a lot of defensive linemen
in the early rounds here, So I could see the
Broncos go twenty.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Maybe it's an interior defensive lineman. That is a door.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
You just want to keep feeding that group because it's
right when you think that you're going to be really
solid there.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
And we don't.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
We don't have to worry about it is where you
fuck up, because the year after that, you're definitely gonna
have a problem. Somebody's gonna be hurt, somebody's gonna regress
with older age, somebody's gonna leave in free agency. There's
always gonna be something that happens in a group where
you really need, like, you know, like five guys to
rotate in right there for your interior. So it's the
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same thing with offensive line. But I do think I
would prefer offense. If the perfect player at running back
fell to you at twenty I just think that that
would help this season more than any other position you
could possibly add on the broncice so and again very strong,
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So I would be looking at running back. It just
makes too much sense in my head, especially now that
they haven't addressed it. All that's happened is the running
back room has gotten worse. They had a player leave,
and it was already maybe the one of the worst,
if not the worst running back group in the league
last year.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
So yeah, I think the running back could have a
you know, Zeke Elliott in twenty sixteen, you know, to
go away from like the veteran Saquon Barkley example, but
like Zee Elliot twenty sixteen type impact on the Broncos offense.
I think it's the could be the rug that puts
the whole pulls the whole room together. You know, he's
a big Lebowski reference. I think that might be ideal
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if you get Gentee or Hampton or like really those
two that I think are legit worthy of top twenty picks.
I think defensive line would also be a great first
round selection. Though we talked about JFM. I think there's
a great chance he's out the door. Honestly, probably more
likely than not. I think it's hard to imagine paying
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fifteen million to him and you know, twenty five million
to Zach Allen. I think they'll probably I could be wrong.
I think they're gonna let JFM walk, and it's great
to have him for this season, but that's going to
be an expensive need in the very near future. And
if this season goes to plan, you're going to be
drafting in the mid twenties next year, you know, not
at twenty, especially in a weaker defensive line class too.
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If you want to get an awesome defensive lineman, this
awesome cheap defensive lineman, this year's first round is probably
going to be the Broncos' best opportunity for the foreseeable future.
So I think it makes a lot of sense there
a guy like a Walter Nolan or I see Derek
Harmon getting mentioned by LTV mus who could fill like
just slot in behind those guys. And also there is
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an immediate need for it, because Zach Allen was playing
something like just an absurd snap right. I forget the
exact numbers, but way more snaps per game than any
other defensive lineman total snaps. He was second barely to
Chris Jones, and Chris Jones played all those extra games
trying to win a Super Bowl. You cannot do that
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again to Zach Allen, Drafting a defensive lineman in the
first round would take a lot off his play and
a lot off jfm's play and allow you to get
the best versions of all the players. They could also
use cornerback help later, maybe sech help later, developmental linebacker later.
So not offense all the time, but I'm with Joey,
I would like them to lean offense overall.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yeah, definitely Atomic six to twenty six. I did want
to ask one more question because everything has spurred one
more question from me. I think a dominant run game
can help your defense by keeping them off the field
a dominate time of possession. Yeah, we've seen the struggles
and we've seen how they're all interconnected on the success
of the Steenver Broncos team. You got a tired defense.
It's not going to be great, need more turnovers in general.
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But the run game has been so explicitly not neglected
because there have been efforts made to ramp this up,
but there's not a whole lot of long standing trust
in the current room or in the current room as
it stood and now as it stands. So the idea
is you're obviously going to want to tackle that in
the draft. But would adding Denest Johnson or JK. Dobbins
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or I think even Gus Edwards is out there right like,
would a veteran running back presence help give a safety
net given the correct price, in order to ensure that
you're at least not falling through the floor of what
was already a really bad run game for the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Sack dang it. I would like to see them at
a veteran.
Speaker 4 (47:19):
Guys, you know what, you know, you're just like all
three of us weren't here for quite a while.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
But we are back. Baby. You just see that. That's
what's happening. We're back. That was it back moment ever?
Dang it?
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Uh oh JK Dobbins. I think it'd be a good signing.
I think I want to see them at a veteran
to the room, just so they're not forced to double
up on running back in the draft. I would kind
of like to see them double up on running back
at the draft, but I don't think they don't have
a ton of picks. They have I think seven in total.
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You know that's they've got enough needs that it's kind
of hard to double up on running back with that
number of picks. I don't want them to be forced
to do that because they didn't address it sooner. Veteran
like JK. Dobbins, who will be even another year removed
from his achilles injury, maybe looks even better. I think
is literally the perfect signing. Pree and your point about
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atomics point about kind of the ball control style of
play we're seeing enter the game, I just as the
analytics stork, I gotta geek out for a second. That
is something we're seeing. We're seeing way fewer drives per
game and like fewer possessions per game, and as a result,
the value of every possession is so much higher. So
that means drive changing moments, like an explosive play that
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makes it dramatically more likely you're going to score, or
a sack or a takeaway that on one play ends
a drive. Those are becoming Obviously they're already valuable, they're
becoming more and more value valuable because there's a lesser supply,
we're having less plays, so those really noisy spikes are
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getting even more weight to them. So there's absolutely value
and substance in getting that kind of physical ball control
style team. And it's the reason you're seeing a lot
of teams do it right now.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
I just I say this all the time, but I
feel like it's ignored sometimes just from everybody in Broncos country,
even more than even more than Like, the Broncos are
going to draft a running back that is going to
like that they think is really good at running the
ball this year.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
I think that's fair.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
Where it's where I have doubts is any of these
running backs coming in year one?
Speaker 2 (49:32):
And what's up?
Speaker 4 (49:35):
I have serious dazz of any of these running backs
coming in year one and being able to pass protect
or the coaching staff having any faith in them pass protect.
It's more than just being big and physical. I need
to know what the quarterbacks say. I need to be
able to actually slide and get into the spot and
know which guy I'm picking up, and to be able
to process all of that coming at you have running
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back position.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
It's a lot.
Speaker 4 (49:59):
I would put my faith in a rookie to be
able to do that consistently, which is where someone like
I don't know some of those people you just named
Plaka Gusa Edwards.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Maybe I don't.
Speaker 4 (50:10):
I would have to watch the film to know how
they are in past profs. Well, yeah, that's why I
wasn't opposed to saying, hey, Javonte, come back for a
year for the three million dollars or whatever. You're really
not gonna run the ball much anyways. I just want
you here for the pass protection moments. They need that
even more than a vet that's really good at running
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right now, because they're gonna be able to draft a
guy that does that.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
I think that's a great point. That said, not Nick Chubb.
I see love for Nick Chubb cropping up guys. I
loved him myself. He was a great player.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
Man.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
He had a much more gruesome injury than Javonte Williams
and was considerably worse than Javonte Williams last year. It
didn't play nearly as much. But if you include him
and like any of those stats like EPA per rush
or success Rader, like trying to look at what he
was bringing to the table. He was one of the
worst running backs in football last year. And I mean
(51:06):
his niece. His leg snapped in half the wrong way,
you know, and he's a running running back, Like, that's
not good. I don't and he's already getting up there
even if he was totally healthy. Just there's fifteen options
I could probably name that are better than Nick chobb.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Uh snapping your leg in the right way, I don't
think exists. But now the visual is stuck in my
brain and I don't want to think about it anymore.
I just recalled Deanis Johnston running crazy on this Broncos team,
and the Broncos played the Browns. He had like all
of the yards and we did nothing to stop him.
So I recall that. But yeah, as far as past
(51:45):
protection goes, not sure. Joey, I think we should do
some digging there next up. Wanted to get to a
super chat and I think it's just great that it's
in time with my first show back on Let's Talk
Broncos Kodiak Broncos Podcast A fort ninety nine. Don't to
make sure that I continue to do this show. That's
what I'm considering it. Signing Domins makes a ton of sense.
(52:06):
Other running back free agents free agent options at point
at this point are atrocious and Hebrew ide stability if
the rookie we draft needs time to address or rookies.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
Joey, I I think one thing here you know in
the statement, other running back free agent options at this
point are atrocious.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
I agree with this.
Speaker 4 (52:26):
Now here's something I also think that we can keep
in mind though There's going to be a lot of
running backs that are dropped come training camp time, and
I think there is a good shot yeah and post draft, yeah,
especially with the influx of amount of draft doable running
backs are coming in the league right now and a
lot of them will need a roster spot because it's
(52:47):
just that talented of a group. I wouldn't be mad
if the Broncos just sat through this period and started
to see, Okay, what other moves are happening out there
before we make a decision at for the vet option
of the room. I think that that would be a
fair thing from Sean Payton, and it might even be
better because, like you said, I don't think any of
(53:08):
the running back like available running backs at the moment
are like pushing the needle at all in any direction.
Speaker 3 (53:15):
It's just like, Okay, we got that guy.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Whatever.
Speaker 4 (53:17):
It's not a big deal and.
Speaker 3 (53:20):
It doesn't matter at all this year because the Broncos
they're not getting any compics for this year. They lost
no big free agents. They've signed a few anyways. But
there's also value for waiting in those years when you
can get compics because signings made after the draft. I
forget the exact date, but it's you know, later in
free agency or after the draft don't count against the
(53:42):
compensatory formula. You kind of get this second wave of
signings all of a sudden because teams are like, hey,
we want to design this player. Didn't want to hurt
our chances of getting like an extra seventh round pick,
so we waited a week, but now we'll bring him in.
So another motivation for waiting.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
Yeah. Absolutely. Going over to Cody ik Broncos podcast, give
like some videos over there. Thank you for your donation.
We appreciate you so very much. That is awesome and
I put a smile on my face. Going over to
Let's Talk Broncos dot com. Read all the articles we
got posting over there. If you're still eyeing who the
Broncos could add in the draft, chat running back in
tight end, we got you covered as well, and we'll
(54:19):
continue to have a conversation of what's to look forward to.
The Broncos have made many moves, but there's still a
lot to come and then it's going to be training
camp before we know it. If you don't have plans
for the first round of the draft, make sure that
you're hanging out with us. That's a Thursday, five thirty
pm at The Rock Restaurant, Bar and Grill in Aurora, Colorado,
And if you're not going to be in the immediate area,
(54:41):
stay tuned for coverage from that event. We're still working
on the details of what that entails, but we want
to make sure that we have LGB coverage ready for
all of you because we know that's what you're looking
forward to gentlemen, I am going to bow out gracefully
and trying not to ramble off of this podcast. Good night,
we bid you farewell, and we'll be back soon. Take
(55:03):
care of go brocks.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
M m hm
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Hm
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