July 31, 2025 • 56 mins
Carl Lee, Lisa Otey, and Hollis Lewis talk football this episode, looking at several topics around the game. The discussion begins locally, discussing youth league football in the Dunbar, WV area with Courtney Williams, president of the Dunbar Football & Cheer. The discussion switches gears to the pros, with reports of NFL players and coaches possibly selling their comp tickets above market value. A spirited debate comes out for the final segment as Hollis Lewis poses the question: Is Philadelphia Eagles QB Jalen Hurts a top 10 quarterback? Let the discussion begin...
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Welcome to Let's Talk with Carl Lee. Let's Talk is
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Real results, Frank Walker Law dot Com. Let that conversation
begin on Let's Talk.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen. This is Carl Lee with Let's Talk.
And I have my co host Hollis Lewis and Lisa
Odie in the building.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
And we've got a guest that Hollis is.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Gonna introduce, and we're gonna start the day off with
a little bit of youth football conversation. So my favorite
saying yeah for sure. So we have Courtney Campbell Williams.
She is the president of Umbar Football and Cheer here
in the Kanal Valley in Dunbar, West Virginia. And the
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reason I feel like it's important to like have you
I and we're gonna get to your live here in
a second. But you know, one of the things that
I've had a big problem with is that number one,
we've in the Kanal Valley. We've gone from from you know,
we had a plethora of teams. Now we're down to,
you know, not that many teams like it was when
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we were growing up. And it seems as though every
time the City Charleston, Dunbar, South Charleston, we get in
the league and somehow these leagues find us a way
to kick us out the league for whatever reason. So
how long have you been the president of Dunbar and
how many leagues have you gone through just being a
part of.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
I've been the president of Dunbar for two years and
I was the vice president of Dunbar for two years
as well, So I've been there.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
For four years.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Four years.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
And how many different leagues have you guys been in
and out of in that time?
Speaker 7 (02:00):
This is our third league gee.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
And again, and from what I know, it's not necessarily
any fault of your own. It's just like I said,
we get in these leagues and they find a way
to to, you know, kick us out. And I've even
gotten to the point of frustration where I don't even
allow my girls to cheer anymore. Like I have you know,
six or seven year old girls and they're not even
allowed to cheer because of the controversies of what's going on.
(02:23):
So in this last issue, what could you just explain
what was the issue when, like why did you have
to switch leagues this time? And before before you say that,
I can't wait for this answer because I don't I
don't know where they come up with these things, like
like like all of what you find out is all
of a sudden, like you're just out, like they created
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they create a situation where they've got a schedule.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
And we're talking about the presidents of these other leagues.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Of the other leagues or the leagues that we were in.
Right what happens is we realized that we're not in that.
So I'm curious of what what what her what her voice,
what she's gonna say to this.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
So I just want to clarify the Dunbar Bullpups have
never been kicked out of any league or franchise.
Speaker 7 (03:16):
In the area.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
The reason why we were out of the last league
was based upon a promise that wasn't kept and I
made the decision to remove my team from that league.
So we were in the Tri State League. When the
original league that we were in it was Dunbar Charleston,
South Charleston, Saint Albans.
Speaker 7 (03:39):
And South Hills. I believe that was all that was
in our league.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
When we disbanded last year, we decided to go to
the Tri State League.
Speaker 7 (03:48):
We went to the Tri State League.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
We met with them great great people, John and Kenney.
There were great people there, but they promised us that.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
We would be able to keep our grandfather players.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
If you know anything about youth sports here in the valley,
then you know that Dunbar is the longest running youth
sports program.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
Here in the valley.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
We're the only ones that have not disbanded. We're not
We're the only ones who have not merged with anybody else.
We've always stood on our own two feet. But we're
able to do that because we are a legacy account holders.
So it's say I cheer for us, my daughter cheers
for us, then she'll bring her daughter to cheer for us.
And that's how we sustain because we keep it a
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family like atmosphere, so people keep coming and coming and coming.
But with us also being so stable and being such
a long running organization, other people from other teams have
come to us two over the years.
Speaker 7 (04:44):
From other schools that aren't technically ours.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
They have come to us school too over the years
to play for us, just because we had that stability.
And when we went to the tri State last year,
we was able to win the silver bracket turffall they
have a silver bracket, a gold bracket. We won the
silver bracket championship, we won the cheer Championship, we won
the Spirit Award, all with these different players from different teams.
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So when we went back in there in December, you know,
to regroup about the season and see what we could
make better and what changes we need to make, there
was basically our name on a whiteboard that said Dumbar
with thirteen schools. Every other school had about five or
six schools. They said, we pulled from thirteen, but we
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also have kids at private with private schools as well,
and then Dumbar you know intermediate primary.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
It's K through two and three through five.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
So it looks like we have a lot more than
what we actually had. So because of this, and because
of all the wins and things like that, we felt
like we were being targeted because we had those wins.
So what they did was was they limited our numbers
of schools.
Speaker 7 (05:53):
So they said, you can.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Have Dunbar Intermediate and Dunbar Primary, which is a K
through two and at three through five, and you can
have Shawnee School.
Speaker 7 (06:01):
And I'm like, Shawnee School hasn't been open for years.
It does not exist.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
They're like, well, still on the Kanah County website. I'm like, well,
you can drive over there if you want to. You're
not gonna see nobody in.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
The parking lot.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
It does not exist. So I can't pull from someplace
that does not exist. So they gave me Bridge Valley,
excuse me, bridge View and two other schools, But that
would have still meant that I would have had to
say goodbye to thirty seven players that have played for
me over the years. I have people who have played
for me since D team and now they're on a team,
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and I would have had to tell them goodbye.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
And I run a kid's league.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
And just to be clear, the schools, the thirteen schools
that were making up where your players are from. It's
not as though you were recruiting those kids. Those kids
were coming in because for example, I played it Kana
City coach, I played at Western Generals. Those teams don't
exist no more. And I know particularly what happened with
Western Generals is that when that organization disbanded, a lot
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of those coaches and kids went to Dunbar. Hints what
you said about stability, so in in in switching going
to now get a new league. How does that does
that hurt? How does that affect you moving forward?
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Well, it's been a great thing so due to the
conditioning and things like that. So initially I did have
to tell my kids, you know, they're not going to
let me keep my grandfather kids, but in order to
keep my program, I'm just gonna have to let you go.
And I sat on it for about two weeks and
I said, I cannot do that to them. I literally
had kids making those little kids facebooks and they were
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messaging me like, hey miss Courtney, when it is cheered
practice er. I'm like, I can't. I can't do this
to them. So I went back, you know, I try
to contact the try State. I called an emergency meeting.
I try to regroup, but try to let them know,
you know, what was going on, and they just they
just didn't want to hear it.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
I have a question for you, Courtney, and I'm sorry
you're going through this.
Speaker 8 (07:56):
I know it must be tough on the kids, an't
on you as well, but so so changing leagues that
you had to do that in order to keep all
of your kids together, which is understandable. What if, Courtney,
they would have come to you and said, Okay, we'll
let you keep these grandfathered kids in, but once those
kids run through your league, you still have to draw
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from these schools that we've assigned. Would that be a
possibility for you, guys.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
That's what I was actually hoping that they would have
countered me for. Uh huh, I I wish that would
have been the counter offer. It's easier for me to say, hey,
I've had these kids forever. I can keep them, and
I will keep the boundaries of the new kids coming
in right, and I will you know, I will try
to monitor that limit that just let me keep these kids.
And that's what I honestly thought they was going to
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let me do. But they just didn't make me that off.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
It just wasn't on the table at all.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Okay, So I want to let me ask this question.
When you the folks that you're talking about, you're talking
about the leadership of the leagues, right, yes, which typically
are the president of each one of those Leaguesidents fourteen.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Yes, So.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
For for us, I know that I don't to my
to my knowledge and you can correct me if I'm
wrong here. I don't think that we have like when
you guys were in a separate league, that conversation with
the past, the league that we were in together, the
conversation that you all had, we had no We had
no idea because we got stuck. We weren't aware of
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the last two leagues that have taken place. We had
no idea that was that was even happening. We looked
up when somebody posted here's this new league, here's the
new Canal County League.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
We were not in it. You all were not in it.
Saint Albans was not in it.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I think GW was, or South Hills was not in it.
Speaker 7 (09:58):
Just the Appalachian League.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Yes, So we did apply to the Appalachian League last
year before we applied to the Tri State League. But
just to be honest, they basically told me the only
way that they would accept.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
My program into their program.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Was if I let go of our boys coordinator at
a time, which was Seawan Tom Forte coach Cutty. And
if you know anything about dunbar football. There's no Dunbar
football without coach Cutty. And I was not willing to
make that adjustment to them.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Why would that be a demand, do you think?
Speaker 5 (10:36):
I think it's a demand because he's such, he's such
a large presence, but it's because he's a good person
and sometimes us he's very vocal about his past and
what he's done to better himself throughout. So they made
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it seem as though it may have been a background
fault of his but to our knowledge, dumbar football knowledge,
the incident that they're referring to was thirty two years old,
So that's just an.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
Excuse to me.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
I agree.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
They couldn't give me any other reason as to why
they did not want to let us in. The only
stipulation I was given was to let him go, and
I don't. We don't leave any bullpups behind and let me.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Let me let me say.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Let me say this, and I've said it on Facebook
a number of times.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
If there is.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
An individual, if there is an individual who is dedicated
sold all the way in is kids, it is cutting
John Forte. You like he he he will fight you
over his kids, you know. And he don't have to
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have no relationship with with it. He's adamant about he's
passionate about the game aim Because all of that, you
can't to me, you can't look at that person and
say you need him to go.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
What you should be doing.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Is how do I get a guy like that? That's
to me, that's the issue.
Speaker 8 (12:17):
Is there some type of in their league? That's that's
the rule, even you have some type of you know,
charge or something that you can't be a coach or
no like over riding regulations.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Of course, with every league, there's one thing that makes
sure of with every league that you're in, it's that
you're not a registered sex dependent and sometimes sometimes some
leagues have a rule where you cannot have a recent
criminal activity like a violent crush. Sure, but to my knowledge,
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that's not his background either, and it was a lot.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
To me.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
The background part of this for him makes no sense,
like there's he's been he's been coaching already for who
knows how long? So how where now does this all
of a sudden show up?
Speaker 9 (13:11):
Right?
Speaker 4 (13:11):
You know, like why would this? Why would this show up?
Speaker 3 (13:14):
If he's been able to he's been around these kids,
he's been a positive impact on these particular kids the
entire time he's been there. Right now, you're going to
hold him accountable for something from from his past to
keep him from touching those kids. But I think it's
a it's a community thing. I think when you go
from community community we have different understanding of certain things.
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But the question I want to ask is that you know,
like just moving forward from a like a sort of
a holistic bird's eye of you perspective just on you sports,
particularly here in the valley, what would you just like
to see done like in your perfect world? Like what
would what would your perfect world look like as far
as you know, kids competing in football, chair and whatever else?
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How would a league be made up?
Speaker 7 (14:03):
Let's see my perfect world. My perfect world, we would
have a sports.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Complex that would be accessible to all kids at no
costs to the franchises. So if we want to go
and have a game someplace, we have to pay to
go there.
Speaker 7 (14:20):
It would be nice if we did not have to
pay to go there.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
This is for kids, and when we're having to pay
for practices, we have to pay for games, So it
would be nice to have access to facility.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
It would be nice to Last year.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
My vice president and I we worked year round and
we raised ninety thousand dollars to get all new equipment
for our kids.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
It would be nice if, just in my perfect world,
if the.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
City of Dunbar would take some ownership and look at
their UTH sports program and.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
See what they could do to actually help us out
the way.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
We're not out here having a grind like we had
to grind, So that would be great. It would be
nice if I didn't have to charge as much as
I have to charge my kids.
Speaker 7 (14:59):
I have to charge one sixty five for cheer on
thirty for football.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
And that's also because Dunbar, the City of Dunbar doesn't
take pride and it's U sports program and provide us
with the funds to be able to do more. But
it would be great if I had if I had
more coach Cutties. It would be great if I had
more coach Grandmas. She's the equivalent to Coach Cutty, but
she's for cheerleaders. And it would be great if I
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had parents who were willing to step up and do
the work that was needed to make sure that the
programs are taken care of. I can sit here all
day long and bash a city for not taking care
of us or say, you know, I've been out here
doing this and that. But it would be great if
we had parents that said, Okay, I do have this
kid here that comes to practice every day and they
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don't have enough money for cleats, but I got an
old pair of cleats at home, or I got an
extra fifty dollars. You know, I can step in and
help those kids out. That would be my perfect world.
And another thing is it would be just so great
if adults would just let the kids do what they.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
That's always What about what about like first league wide?
Would you like to see a situation in which, you know,
it kind of almost reverted back where because I know, like,
for example, Charleston Cougar the little and I think maybe
you guys they're like traveling to Parkersburg every other week.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
And that's crazy.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
We're in the same league.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
So are you back in Okay? So yeah, we're all
in the same Okay.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Yes, So when I made the move to go to
the Ohio Valley League, it was just on Saturday, Saturday.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
We just moved Saturday, and.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
You guys have to pretty much like go back and
forth to Parkersburg every other week.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Is that Basically, we have.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Four home games that are here in Dunbar or South Charleston,
and then I have four away games. We had to
travel a lot last year due to be in the
Profit League, so we're used to it. Okay, we're just
happy to be able to play, but it would be
nice to be able to get the local teams and
things like that to get other again. But once again,
that's not going to be able to happen until certain
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adults put their egos aside, if we let until we
let go of stereotypes, because there's a stigma on certain leagues.
Dunbar is blessed enough. I don't know how to say
that the note, you know, a more classy way, but
we're the bougie black people. We're we're the boogie.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Black League in the valley.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
And then of course, you know there's another league that
is considered the ghetto black league in the valley, and
you know, people don't want to play against them, or
every time we do play against them, you know, there's
always a stigma that is there going to be a fighter,
They're going to be, you know, doing something they're not
supposed to be doing. I just think we just need
to get rid of the stigmas, get rid of the stereotypes,
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and realize that if we do not come together, these
kids ultimately will not have a place to play because
that league's done.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
We've left the Try State League.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
I'm sure we could go back if we wanted to,
but I don't want to as my kids. The o
Higher River Valley League has accepted us with open arms.
They seem like great people. But if this doesn't work out,
then what's next. We have to realize that all we
have is each other and.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
That's ultimately let me let me, let me ask her
this question. Do you think that we need outside help
to to fight this battle? Because as coaches and going
to the meetings, they're never going to really let us in.
I mean they're never you know, they're because they don't
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they don't be yes, because they don't. They don't want
to play you all, you know, they don't they don't
want to play Charleston.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
You know, they just they you know, it is.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
The quote black teams that they do not want to play.
And we're not a black team, even though we're considered
that we're not that. But it's like they won't, they
don't want to play because they don't feel like they
can win. And I think we should be playing in
the valley. If you're in the valley, you should be
playing in the ballet. I think also, man, it's ain't
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about black and white. This suit that are kids like
this should be like just for kids. And my problem
with this and all kind of the issues that's going
around with the different leagues and everything is that sports
are foundation. So whether you're talking about football, whether you're
talking about cheer, a lot of these kids black, white, otherwise, poor, rich, whatever,
this is the foundation that they're going to maintain themselves
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in school. Some of these kids are going to get scholarships.
Some of these kids are gonna go and do great
things off the backs of sports. So to your point,
coordinat like the focus are to be the kids. Yeah,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
So I don't think that we need outside help. I
don't think that we need outside help to kind of
get us together. What I think is is we need
to build an alliance within us. All the presidents in
the valley need to come together, call it a truce,
and let's start over. Because if we can't get it
together with just us, somebody coming intent every top of
our shoulder telling us what to do isn't going to
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make us any better. I'm a firm belief if you know,
if you want to play for me, you can play
for me. If you want to play somebody else, you
can play for somebody else. I want you to be happy,
and I'm not going to be happy with somebody standard
top of my back telling me how to run my program.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I love that, and I love that, and I'm not
saying that they're going to that they're going to be
overseeing your program, right, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
That's not my thing. My thing is we are all back.
If you're if your league, if your team is in
the Kanall County, if you're in Kanall County, you should
be playing in Kanall County.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Well, I think that's to a point, Like just to
her point. What she's saying is like Kanall County got
to come together first before you can just for somebody else.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
I'm with that, but we don't have that. The teams
that are in Kanall County now that are set up,
they don't want they don't they're not taking us.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
But that's her point, That's what I'm saying, So we
have to That's why I'm saying we have to get
somebody on the outside and get I get when you
say you don't want anybody on outside telling us what
to do, I'm saying saying that you can't do these things.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
You can't do these things and play on Kannall County.
Speaker 8 (21:12):
See.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
See.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
I think the complete opposite.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
I think that when you you know, you start something,
you have bylaws. It's the simplest following the rules. I
don't need you made micro management. I got a set
of bylaws.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
We're going to follow them. We can agree on them.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
Yeah, you know, we can.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Get it figured out.
Speaker 8 (21:28):
I just had a quick question for you guys. You're
all the little league gurus here.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
And I'm out here no man's land.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
But so I know, Courtney, you expressed concern about your
your perceived lack of support from from the Dunbar community.
It sounds like you don't get the level of support
that you would like. What are other little leagues, you know,
the ones that, for example, South Charleston do the cities
of those little leagues that different little leagues do they.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Support their team our city, our city.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
With finances and equipment and things that you.
Speaker 7 (21:59):
Are of Charleston his top tier.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
That man has made sure that every single little league
in his city, basketball, baseball, football, cheer is free.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
It's no extra cost of the pearance.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
And that is they have a place to play, they
have equipment that's up to date. The mayor of Charleston,
she built a field over here on North Charleston for
her team. She recognizes them even when they win a game.
She lets them come to city Hall and gets certificates
and stuff like that. For lack of better words, the
mayor of Dunbar is trash. He's never been to a practice.
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I told y'all when y'all ask me to come here,
that's gonna keep it real. He's never been to a practice,
he's never called, he's never seen when we needed.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
We've reached out several.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Times, you know, asking for just anything, and it's never
been done.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Well, you do have your delegate, so you know, I'm
a supporter and I you know, I do what I can.
And like I said, and moving forward, like I said,
if you wanted to try to facilitate that, I would
be happy to you know, be a part of that
and help that discussion. But like I said, the ultimately
the reason why I would invited you on the show
is to express the things that you've expressed, and I
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just wanted the viewers out there, if you're listening, if
we're talking about youth sports, football, basketball, baseball, cheer gymnastics, tennis, whatever,
it's about the kids. It's about kids having fun, it's
about kids developing. It's not necessarily I mean, we all
want to win, no doubt, but it ain't even about winning.
It's about the kids. And we have to bring the
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focus back to kids. I mean, if you watch social
media everyday, parents out of their minds at youth sports
and it's making it a toxic environment for everybody. Ultimately,
whether whatever whatever community were talking about, it's about kids.
I can't I can't even There's nothing I can say
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that would.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Would go against anything that you're saying.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
It's just the fact that I don't understand why we
are not focused on it.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Where are you looking like, well, where I don't know
looking Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I can't even
answer that.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
You do need all of those things in every community
to fund or to support middle.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
School, high school, you got to you've got to.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Have a system that's going to work up the up
the ladder and.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
And honestly, if you guys can't you know, work together
as teams, you know, it's going to be difficult to secure,
you know, that that type of regulation and ruling and
financial support because you know, you guys are having to,
you know, jump from league to league because you're being
told one thing from one side and another from the
other side, and so it's real difficult for you guys
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to unite because it's kind of like they've turned you
guys against each other to a degree, you know, because
of the rules and regulations, and so until you guys
can band together as a as a unit, it's it's
going to be hard, I would think, do you agree, Courtney,
I mean, it sounds to me that.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Absolutely is that way. And that's why the last week
that we were all in with Dumbar, South Charleston, Charleston,
GW and Saint Almands disbanded. It was just because we
did not come together internally. There should have been a conversation.
It shouldn't have left the way it was. Unfortunately, the
president of the league at that time didn't feel like
it was something.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
That he needed to disclose, but that definitely.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Should have been a conversation. They should have come to
the table and been like, hey, if we don't get
it together, this league is going to be done and
you guys are going to have to travel and do
all this other stuff. And I guarantee you if they
would have known what the alternative was going to be.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
So and again, so we want to leave on a
positive note. So when does Dunbar start first games? What
are you looking forward this season?
Speaker 5 (25:50):
The grid rama is August the ninth, and it is
at Herbert Hoover High School. And I believe our first
game is the seventeenth, excuse me, not October.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
August the ninth.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Is grid It's at Herbert Hoover High School. And then
our first game is August the seventeenth.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
And when his first cheer cheer competition let the girls.
Speaker 7 (26:10):
Out all it is September the twentieth.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
All right, well, thank you Corney. We appreciate you coming
on and like I said, hopefully we can get this together.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
Thank you, Courtney.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Switching switching conversation here.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah, going from U Sports citing NFL and so Hollingstad
You've got this.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
God.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
So there was a story that recently came out about
you know, NFL players hockeying their Super Bowl tickets. So
I guess NFL players up around the league or maybe
with the teams. You get a certain amount of tickets
to the Super Bowl, and the players were selling the
tickets above market value. So it was about one hundred
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players and coaches, because they just said they led the
article with players, but once you read the article, it's
players and coaches were selling their tickets above face value,
the NFL find out. So it was I think a
one hundred players from about fifteen twenty teams, something to
that effect. And so the players specifically, they were offered
either you can get a fine, which I think is
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like one and a half times the value of the
ticket or some or what you sold it for, or
if you don't get a fine, you will forfeit your
Super Bowl tickets for the next two Super Bowls. So
I'm sure you've been in this situation where you had
I ain't say you sold tickets, but where you were
a lot of tickets.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
So he was on the streets. So what happened so.
Speaker 9 (27:38):
So so for the folks who who don't know, like
how we do, how we decide on topics or whatever,
we're texting back and forth and all of that, and
then I look up and holler send this text about.
Speaker 8 (27:55):
I did about America just kind of was like, whoa,
this is something here, we need to talk about it.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
So I'm like I laughed when I when when she
was talking about let's let's.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Talk about it.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Because at the end of the day, Okay, this is
how I see it, and let me let me. Let
me first admit the statute of limitation have ran. I
am going to admit super bowls. For all of the
super Bowls that I got tickets for if I didn't
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go to the super Bowl, which I might have gone
to maybe two or three, maybe you know, I sold
the rest of them. Now, now, did you sell them
for market value or you were whatever it was going for?
Speaker 4 (28:48):
That's a better way.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
If I if I sell my if I sell my
s u V today, it's got a bunch of miles
on it, right, so I can't get I can't get
market value and super Bowl you might be able to
buy sell me super Bowl tickets.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Yeah, So my point was that my point, My point was.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
That the fact that I realized that my SUV can't
be market value, you get me some up to date
Super Bowl tickets. I do realize that they're going to
be above the cost that's on the ticket. And so
in most cases, players, we guys on the team would
buy your ticket.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Some would be going, some might be I don't know
what they know.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
So you're saying, guys that's playing in the game in
the super Bowl, the guys, your teammates, my teammates, you
some teammates may buy them. What they do with them,
I don't know. But there's also a market of people
who will who was there and around you in that
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in settings that are saying, hey, are you going to
the Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (29:56):
No?
Speaker 3 (29:56):
So they so they looking early like hey, you might
find them in in the parties. Yet it's not like
a dude like this is not like a football player
out on the street trying to like sell his ticket.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
So you're getting solicited.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
People you already know when you come in, if you
come in as a rookie, you make the team, you're
gonna get how many every Super Bowl tickets that that
that you're going to get from that team? You could
The very first thing you're going to see is veteran
players either buying or selling the tickets it's this is like,
it's crazy because you're trying to because what it sounds
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like the way it's coming across is like this is
like this crazy.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
They're out there peddling. That's what it's. That's the red life.
No it is.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
That's the way I read.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
That's the way I read.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I'm not saying guys are not doing that. I can't
say what they're doing now. I'm saying before I would
sell my tickets to you, and and yeah, I'm not
gonna if the ticket was ten dollars, you're probably gonna
pay me twenty got it?
Speaker 6 (30:54):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (30:55):
But but but that was that rule in place. The
rule that they got these guys with today, is that
in place back then that they had certain regulations for
the for the tickets.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
From the article, it looks like this was part of
the CBA. So I don't know if this was like
old CBA or current CBA. So they stated part of
the CBA, you can't sell your tickets. I would say this,
and I'll ask just in in in thought process, if
that was something that was so bad, would management tell
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you can't sell your tickets? Don't it's part of the CBA.
So I'm guessing players know you can't sell. But it's
written somewhere fine print.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
But I'm just saying we it was. It was, It
was a it was an easy.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Thing for us, like it was automatic, like you already knew,
like I already know the week that, the last year,
last game. Whenever you get your whenever you get your
Super Bowl tickets, the very first thing that you're gonna
hear about is.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Who do you want to buy my tickets?
Speaker 8 (31:58):
Well, let me ask you this. I'm gonna open a
Pandora's boxes. This just crossed my mind. So, okay, So
when you get these tickets, yearly tickets for the Super Bowl, right,
are you assigned a certain seat a certain section? Is
this ticket assigned to Carl Lee? This certain seat, this
certain place.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
I don't know if it has my name on it,
but it's going to have a s.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
But but there's a paper trail that leads the ticket to use.
What I'm saying correct, like, this is your seat.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
At the super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
I don't, I don't think because I don't has to be.
It has to be.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
So let's let's let's play Devil's advocate here.
Speaker 8 (32:30):
Let's say that you your teammates says, Hey, you know
you got this super Bowl ticket and you go, okay, sure,
I'll give it to you for face value. But then
your your buddy goes out there and he sells it
for a profit. Are you still held responsible for that
because it's your tickets?
Speaker 4 (32:44):
You may be, But so I would.
Speaker 8 (32:46):
Be careful about who I give that super Bowl ticket to, right, Hollis.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Yeah, and I'm guessing you're responsible there.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
There has to be some paper trail allotment of numbers
or something like these batch of tickets when this is
this team, this one to that team, and it was
distribute this way. I'm going to say, I'm going to
say I'm going to go out on a limb because again,
I think this is funny.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
I don't. I don't see this as serious as what
the league might see it. Because what I yes, the
reality of who doesn't.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
My question would be if you're not if you're not
going to the playoffs, or you're not in the playoffs,
or you don't want to go.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
To the super Bowl, who's who's not selling the tickets?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Right?
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Who's not going to sell the ticket?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
And I think the point that you made at the
on set regarding you know, like, it's not as though
players like got these on Facebook market.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Sales or Craigslist or something.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
They're like, if you're at dinner parties, if you're if
you're at dinner parties, if you're at this event, that
event is probably lawyers, c pas, doctors coming up to
you asking you and to your point as well, this
happens within the context of the locker room. So if somebody,
you know, want to bring their family or their kids
or whatever, they need a couple extray, Hey, let me
get those tickets off. And if you're a rookie on
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a rookie deal in the NFL and I can get
ten twenty thousand for this, I might want to take
that because I don't know what's going to happen, you know,
next season. And again to that's exactly how it to me.
And like I said, that's why I laughed when I
was thinking, oh yeah, we can talk about that, because
I know how casual it was.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
Here's my other question.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Who trusted these guys?
Speaker 8 (34:31):
I mean, who went to the league and said, Hey,
this guy charged me, you know more than face value.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
I want to report him.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Who would do that? Now I'm going to ask I'm
going to say this, nobody reported them. How long have
they been knowing? And now the value's gone up.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
I think probably selling them with higher the pays higher,
you know, the leagues, the money that the players are
making now they you're saying.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
The people that bought the tickets from the.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Play buy at a higher number. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
But and I think what happens to the Facebook told
on them? Because if you're if you're saying, like me,
you know what I mean? If I got the tickets
from you know, Carle, I say, hey, look super Bowl
tickets a bottom from CARLEI not even not even meaning
to like snitch, but you know, I'm on social media.
So I'm sure some of that happened and it just
got out and this is silly. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I don't even think.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
I don't even think that anybody would say because whoever,
people are definitely going to say social media they tell everything.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
Yeah, but here's the story.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
I don't Here's what I don't think.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I don't think that there's that I'm going to sell
my tickets to somebody random that I don't know, And so.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
You don't think you would know somebody you don't Some
of you don't.
Speaker 8 (35:46):
Casually know somebody money in their contract, guaranteed money.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
See for me, what I remember, and again it could
be totally different now. But what I remember was my
my tickets are gone before I even walk out the door.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
It's happening in the locker room. You know now what
they got there? And the dude who's gonna take those tickets?
I know for a fact that those tickets have some
kind of marking on it to confirm that it's it
was a player's ticket.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Right, I'm gonna assume that. And at no given time
was this an issue.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Right Again, I think the reason it is now is
because I think the money that they're asking for now
is much much higher. What if I sold my tickets
for I think I think you got four tickets, so
each player in the league gets fortunate. I think it
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was four tickets, I think. So let's assume I got four.
Speaker 8 (36:49):
Okay, that's the whole stadium, and and and and Hollis
is on the team, and Hollis is like, hey, brother,
you're going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
No I'm not going. Can I buy your tickets? Yeah?
So let's just say I just use a random number.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Let's just say the tickets were seventy five dollars a shot,
or let's just say a hundred.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
So you're gonna probably pay me seven or eight hundred.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yeah, you know, and I'm gonna take the seven or
eight hundred, give you the tickets, and bro, we happy,
everybody happy.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
I don't think it's like I said, I don't think
it's a big deal, and I don't think the league
think it's a big deal. And I would really like
just as another point, I think when you talk about
Super Bowl, Sporld Series, and I understand everybody wants to go,
but I would really like to see these leagues make
an effort to make these events more family affordable. I
think to have tickets upwards. They said some tickets in
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Super Bowl costs ten to fifteen, twenty thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
That's ridiculous, man. So I don't consider this a big deal,
and so.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
I'm gonna fall into the gambling situation. Okay, you know
you've got teams that are players that are now getting
caught and proven that they are they.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
Are the Major League, Baseball.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Baseball, football, any sport.
Speaker 8 (38:11):
Really, the most recent incidents that was Major League Baseball, correct,
just this past week.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yes, Now, when you start to think about, like the
NFL tells you that you can you cannot gamble, you
cannot bet.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
How many how many commercials.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Are about betting gambling, But here here you're making money.
You're making money on the gamblers, gambling selling all of these,
all these are your commercials, and you're gonna tell me
I can't go.
Speaker 8 (38:48):
Well, it's the same as the alcohol commercials that they
played during games.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
That doesn't mean you can go out and get a.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
D u I.
Speaker 8 (38:55):
I mean, you know that there's rules in place and
the average My problem with all of it is I
think that they need to make sure the rules. There's
obviously a problem with gambling. I mean, I think now
that it's become more commonplace for you know, the average
person to be able to go out and you pick
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your phone up and you can gamble. You don't have
to go to the casino. That's the problem. It's it's
too accessible, it's too easy, and it's it's you know,
these players are just sucked in by these you know,
these easy bets. They can get on you know, DraftKings
or whatever, or have their buddy do it.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
And if you, if you, if you, here's the thing.
If you catch a guy who is you know he's
helping himself through the gambling situation, you know he you know,
he knows what the spread is, he knows all this,
and he has a way to try to do that,
which I don't think is possible.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
I think it's proven that it's it's not impossible.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
If everybody on the whole old team has to know
because somebody's trying to play, So somebody's trying to play
to win. Somebody is not trying to get a spread.
So I don't even see how that's even an issue.
So if i'm if i'm if I'm betting on my team,
I'm not saying it's okay, we win, I make money, Okay.
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What here's the problem. The problem is that when you
talk about gambling and Talsa's point, let me say this
before you go on. I don't gamble at all. I've
never I went the biggest different even. But the problem
is is not gambling within the context of your generation
is not what it is in this generation, this generation
of young particularly young men, where the athlete non athlete,
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they're picking up their phones and they're getting the same
dopamine hit that they would do as though they're using drugs.
And the problem with the state of gambling, to Lisa's
point where or to your point where it's just everywhere,
is that it's become a cultural thing within the context
of young men, particularly in young women. So I don't know,
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and I don't have a good answer in that, how
that you police gambling out of sports where you're already
hyper competitive, where you're already you're used to those dopamine
hits at all levels, and now gambling can be added
to that. So I'm not sure when you have the
accessibility of a phone, how you adequately police it out
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of it. So I'm not saying that they should be
allotted to do it, but I'm just not sure how
you eradicate it. Don't promote something that you don't want
your players to do one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
And that's I can agree.
Speaker 8 (41:43):
With your money in that that they're not gonna they're
not gonna do that. I mean, it is embedded in ESPN,
it's embedded.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
In sports, and it's embedded in the culture.
Speaker 6 (41:50):
It's embedded in the culture.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
You're right, but how much money?
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Again, the question becomes is is promoting gambling promoting alcohol?
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Is that? Do you need that to have to make
the money that you need? Yeah, and you could drop
those probably you could drop those two things. You could
drop those two things. And I think that you could.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Go but to and I agree with you Coach that
you cannot you you cannot say you cannot promote it.
I mean it's ESPN has their own book. ESPN has
their own Gamblely book. So you can't promote it to
that level and then tell people not to do it.
Speaker 8 (42:25):
That's kind of and then to your point about alcohol,
here we are we're just ganging up on Carlton have
to go.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
I'm in agreement with that. I'm in agreement with He's right.
You can't promote it and then tell people not that
you can do it.
Speaker 8 (42:37):
Okay, yeah, okay, But but you said could they get
away completely from the advertising or did I hear that wrong?
Speaker 6 (42:43):
Are you saying they.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Should be saying they should dump it?
Speaker 6 (42:46):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (42:47):
So what is the Super Bowl commercials without the Budweiser Clydesdale.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
So we have or Taco Bell, right, I mean people people.
Speaker 6 (42:57):
Talk about that, and that's related to ocohol.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
So I get that. I don't. I'm not. I'm not
saying that that's.
Speaker 6 (43:05):
That's not going away.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
That's what I want. I don't think it's gonna go
away either. They can.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
They can.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
They can talk about the players all they want, but
you know that they're not gonna because they're not gonna
give up the money. The organizations, the professional organizations in
sports care about them. The players are secondary and every
time that a player, there's an opportunity for players to
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to do something. You know, Let's just again, if I'm
gambling and you're thinking I'm making money, how dare me
do that when I'm gonna shoot every other commercial alcohol?
I agree with you on that, man. And if you
have a gambling problem called one gambling, well, I'm gonna
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we're gonna have to bring this back up because because
we're gonna have to come back.
Speaker 6 (43:57):
I'm myself and my I like it that way.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
It's okay, guys, All right, well, ladies and gentlemen, we
will take a quick break and we'll be right back.
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Speaker 4 (45:29):
Right, ladies and gentlemen, we're back.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Hollis is gonna try to create another issue. Yeah, so
it's gonna be fun It's a little barbershop.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
It's gonna be funny.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
So there's been a lot, there's been a lot of
discussion about whether Jalen Hurts, super Bowl winning quarterback for
the Philadelphia Eagles, is a top ten quarterback. And I
find the discussion ridiculous, right because he's certainly in today's
this year, you know, moving into this season, he's certainly
a top ten quarterback to me. So I want you
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guys opinion. And these are the quarterbacks that kind of
people are considering. Of course, you got Lamar Jackson, you
got Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Jalen Daniels, you got Joe Burrow,
Baker Mayfield, Justin Herbert, Dak Prescott, Jared Goff, Jordan Love.
So within those do we feel like and I would
say Jayalen Hurts is a top three quarterback within those?
Speaker 4 (46:22):
So what do you guys think?
Speaker 3 (46:26):
I don't know how you don't you know, you got
to look at super bowls. You gotta get there and
you gotta win them.
Speaker 6 (46:33):
He's done that, Patrick, I know, but I'm just.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Saying I get that. I'm just saying to me, I'm
a Patrick Mahomes. Well, he's number one. He's off the list,
so we don't need to discuss him. I mean, if
he ain't number one, so he's off the board, I
think we all agree he's number one. Move on, all right,
I'll go. I'll go with Lamar Jackson, like, okay, number two. Yeah,
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I got number two?
Speaker 6 (46:56):
What you got I would get, I would go. I
don't understand why Jalen's not on the list.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
I'm still I don't understand.
Speaker 8 (47:03):
I mean, I'm looking at all these qualifications of a
of a goat quarterback and he's not He's not quite
the threshold, but.
Speaker 6 (47:09):
He's getting there.
Speaker 8 (47:10):
He's getting there, and I don't understand how he could
not be a part of the top ten. I mean,
I'm a I'm a Packer fan, and I'm kind of
amazed at George love is. I'm going to ignore that
statement for coming from a Viking player. I'm amazed that
Jordan Love considering his accomplishments over the years, and I
(47:31):
think if they've been in the league about the same
moment he rank above Jalen.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
I mean in some people's list, he does. I mean,
like I said this, and this originated from Cam Newton.
He's on his podcast and he was having a discussion,
and you know, it's that time of season, everybody's sort
of ranking their quarterbacks there.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
And yeah, in the jersey's over the button up switch.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
I don't know, but he's basically, but basically he said
Jalen Hurts was not in his top ten. And we're
talking about just current quarterbacks. And I'm astounded because when
you look at what we look at, what's a good quarterback? Right,
A good quarterback is going to number one. You gotta win,
and you gotta win super Bowls. He's been to one
super Bowl and and here's the point. In both super
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Bowls that he went to, although he's won and one
he out played Patrick Mahome. Yeah both, Yeah, unfortunately he
paid out. He clearly out played him in both games.
And a lot of times what people are doing, they're saying, well,
he has a superior team defense on line, different things
like that.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
But you name me somebody who didn't win with the
superior team.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
And last point, and a lot of good A lot
of quarterbacks can mess up that team too, you know,
So it's not it's not a given just because you
got a good players around him.
Speaker 8 (48:39):
He doesn't come across to me as a diva at
all either, Like I feel like he's a team player.
I mean, look at the push, you know, the guys
is out there to win. I mean he's he's not
all about himself. So to me, that that was a
that was a faux Paul. He should have been in
there somewhere.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
I gotta my my only the only question that I have.
Oh maybe it's two h Prescott.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
You hate that Prescott with everything? Yes, you do. Don't
you Hatecott? I just I just don't. I don't. I
don't see him.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Don't you get a subjective So I don't really see him.
I see him being a great player. What I don't
see is I don't see him being a great leader.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
That's that that.
Speaker 8 (49:28):
That's because he can't be a great leader because he's
got Jerry James quarterback.
Speaker 4 (49:34):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
Part of it, that part of it, I'm gonna. I'm
gonna Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
That's crazy to know. How do you have Baker Mayfield?
I don't understand that.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
I don't know who's behind him, that he he's not.
Speaker 4 (49:56):
He's not in this list. He's not. And I love
Baker Mayfield, but he's not. He's not. He's not on
that list.
Speaker 6 (50:02):
He's not.
Speaker 4 (50:03):
He's not.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
And I again, I don't know how you And then
so let me ask you.
Speaker 6 (50:07):
He's not even a dual threat type.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
He can move a little bit. I like berkha mouth can.
He can move, but he's not gonna wave you. Yeah, okay,
if he's gonna throw you some pits. Okay, So here's
what you gotta learn. Okay, I'm getting to teach you.
So go ahead, you can teach me. Try to anyway
in today's game when you have to say okay, but yeah,
but he can kind of do something else, and that's yeah, okay,
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but let me let me let me ask you this.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
Let me ask you.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
This is Joe Burrow. Should he be considered top five?
We could say he's top ten, but because he's missed
the playoff, I think the last two years he put
up amazing stats. But what somebody pointed out was that, yeah,
those stats were good because a lot of time was
spent coming back. So you have to pass in order
to try to catch up. So is he and he
he made the Super Bowl one year, So is he
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on this list?
Speaker 4 (50:58):
Again? My question, my question will go in a different.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
See that's what he does. He take a question and yeah,
he asked his own question. You should be a politician.
I want to I want to figure out again, I'm
looking at when I'm thinking quarterback, I'm the guy sitting
on the sideline because I'm on defense now, so and
I'm watching my quarterback.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
He's got to be the leader, Like, he's got to
be a.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
Dude who is like yelling and screaming and telling dudes
what to do and they gonna do it.
Speaker 4 (51:28):
I don't like.
Speaker 6 (51:29):
You don't see Joe Burrow doing that.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
I don't know. I like, I like like, I like him.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
I don't have anything against him. I just think he
plays that list. I'm looking at a list of guys
who I think are super talented, great quarterbacks, dual threats.
But I don't know, I don't know if is there
anybody really like on this list. When I'm going back
to Patrick Mahomes, who I think is a true straight
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up leader. But I think you got leaders on here.
But I don't think you can mistake leadership for talent.
I think Patrick Mahomes is a once in a generation talent.
Speaker 4 (52:09):
He's give that.
Speaker 3 (52:10):
Talent wise, he's the best quarterback I've ever seen. Talent wise,
I think the thing that hurts or separates like a
Joe Burrow and Jalen Hurts is Unfortunately Joe Burrow plays
for a terrible franchise who makes terrible decisions consistently, where
the Philadelphia Eagles they are a much better rand fanchise.
So that's why talent wise, I was still having more there.
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But I don't think I think he's and this is
just my prediction. I think eventually he'll have to get
traded in order to really go to the next level
because Cincinnati Bingles are terrible franchise. To that conversation you
just had, like I'm going to go Somebody's not on
the list and somebody who I played with, Tommy crameer. Okay,
Tommy Kramer had a major drinking issue and all of those.
Speaker 4 (52:55):
Kind of things.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
His skill set was it necessarily great throws, he was,
he was a he was a good guy to he can.
Speaker 4 (53:06):
Move around enough. But Brian a leader.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
When you start talking about and see, and I think
when I think about quarterback, I'm thinking about like I
think the first thing.
Speaker 4 (53:19):
Comes to my mind is Tommy Kramer, because you ain't.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
You ain't getting away with anything like he'll come cuss
you out face to face and you ain't and you
ain't throwing no blows, like you ain't gonna.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
Be like you ain't talking to me that way. Yes
he is. I think it's different leaders though. I think
that's just a leadership style.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Well and but but again when I look at that,
and I say, Okay, that leadership style has a has
a has a place can put you over just skill set.
You know, skill set is great.
Speaker 6 (53:53):
I think you have both.
Speaker 8 (53:54):
I mean you have to have skill set and leadership skills.
I mean otherwise you're not going to be one of
the great ones because I think Eli man.
Speaker 3 (54:00):
Right right, Yeah, And you're looking at some of these
guys who didn't have the athletic ability to run the ball,
so they're not really quote a dual threat. But what
they brought in the pocket, how they handled themselves, how
they handled their team, that's the key.
Speaker 4 (54:15):
How does that quarterback handle that his teams. That's a
good point.
Speaker 6 (54:18):
That's a good point.
Speaker 8 (54:19):
Let me ask you this then, if these are all
these are all active quarterbacks in them. Okay, So so
where's Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 4 (54:27):
Stop? All right, that's a good show. Thank you for listening.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
And Lord, but before we go, give me give me
your top five, top five, top five my Homes Jackson,
uh Burrol, Okay, Hurts, I think that's five.
Speaker 4 (55:03):
Okay, what you got.
Speaker 8 (55:04):
Oh, let's see, I'm gonna have to Jalen Hurts. I'm
gonna put it. He's already on here. Okay, Jalen Hurts
is one. Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes of course, Lamar Jackson
for sure, and Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
Okay, I would go, of course, Patrick Mahomes, I'm going, uh,
Jayalen Hurts, I'm going to Lamar Jackson, I would go
Josh Allen, and I would go Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 4 (55:29):
You see, you can also throw C. J.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
Stroud on there. I mean, it's some arguments for that. Yeah.
All right, Well that was a good fight.
Speaker 4 (55:39):
The ring.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we hope you enjoyed the show,
and we will be back next week.
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Welcome to Let's Talk with Carl Lee. Let's Talk is
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Speaker 3 (00:36):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen. This is Carl Lee with Let's Talk.
And I have my co host Hollis Lewis and Lisa
Odie in the building.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
And we've got a guest that Hollis is.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Gonna introduce, and we're gonna start the day off with
a little bit of youth football conversation. So my favorite
saying yeah for sure. So we have Courtney Campbell Williams.
She is the president of Umbar Football and Cheer here
in the Kanal Valley in Dunbar, West Virginia. And the
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reason I feel like it's important to like have you
I and we're gonna get to your live here in
a second. But you know, one of the things that
I've had a big problem with is that number one,
we've in the Kanal Valley. We've gone from from you know,
we had a plethora of teams. Now we're down to,
you know, not that many teams like it was when
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we were growing up. And it seems as though every
time the City Charleston, Dunbar, South Charleston, we get in
the league and somehow these leagues find us a way
to kick us out the league for whatever reason. So
how long have you been the president of Dunbar and
how many leagues have you gone through just being a
part of.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
I've been the president of Dunbar for two years and
I was the vice president of Dunbar for two years
as well, So I've been there.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
For four years.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Four years.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
And how many different leagues have you guys been in
and out of in that time?
Speaker 7 (02:00):
This is our third league gee.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
And again, and from what I know, it's not necessarily
any fault of your own. It's just like I said,
we get in these leagues and they find a way
to to, you know, kick us out. And I've even
gotten to the point of frustration where I don't even
allow my girls to cheer anymore. Like I have you know,
six or seven year old girls and they're not even
allowed to cheer because of the controversies of what's going on.
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So in this last issue, what could you just explain
what was the issue when, like why did you have
to switch leagues this time? And before before you say that,
I can't wait for this answer because I don't I
don't know where they come up with these things, like
like like all of what you find out is all
of a sudden, like you're just out, like they created
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they create a situation where they've got a schedule.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
And we're talking about the presidents of these other leagues.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Of the other leagues or the leagues that we were in.
Right what happens is we realized that we're not in that.
So I'm curious of what what what her what her voice,
what she's gonna say to this.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
So I just want to clarify the Dunbar Bullpups have
never been kicked out of any league or franchise.
Speaker 7 (03:16):
In the area.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
The reason why we were out of the last league
was based upon a promise that wasn't kept and I
made the decision to remove my team from that league.
So we were in the Tri State League. When the
original league that we were in it was Dunbar Charleston,
South Charleston, Saint Albans.
Speaker 7 (03:39):
And South Hills. I believe that was all that was
in our league.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
When we disbanded last year, we decided to go to
the Tri State League.
Speaker 7 (03:48):
We went to the Tri State League.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
We met with them great great people, John and Kenney.
There were great people there, but they promised us that.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
We would be able to keep our grandfather players.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
If you know anything about youth sports here in the valley,
then you know that Dunbar is the longest running youth
sports program.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
Here in the valley.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
We're the only ones that have not disbanded. We're not
We're the only ones who have not merged with anybody else.
We've always stood on our own two feet. But we're
able to do that because we are a legacy account holders.
So it's say I cheer for us, my daughter cheers
for us, then she'll bring her daughter to cheer for us.
And that's how we sustain because we keep it a
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family like atmosphere, so people keep coming and coming and coming.
But with us also being so stable and being such
a long running organization, other people from other teams have
come to us two over the years.
Speaker 7 (04:44):
From other schools that aren't technically ours.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
They have come to us school too over the years
to play for us, just because we had that stability.
And when we went to the tri State last year,
we was able to win the silver bracket turffall they
have a silver bracket, a gold bracket. We won the
silver bracket championship, we won the cheer Championship, we won
the Spirit Award, all with these different players from different teams.
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So when we went back in there in December, you know,
to regroup about the season and see what we could
make better and what changes we need to make, there
was basically our name on a whiteboard that said Dumbar
with thirteen schools. Every other school had about five or
six schools. They said, we pulled from thirteen, but we
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also have kids at private with private schools as well,
and then Dumbar you know intermediate primary.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
It's K through two and three through five.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
So it looks like we have a lot more than
what we actually had. So because of this, and because
of all the wins and things like that, we felt
like we were being targeted because we had those wins.
So what they did was was they limited our numbers
of schools.
Speaker 7 (05:53):
So they said, you can.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Have Dunbar Intermediate and Dunbar Primary, which is a K
through two and at three through five, and you can
have Shawnee School.
Speaker 7 (06:01):
And I'm like, Shawnee School hasn't been open for years.
It does not exist.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
They're like, well, still on the Kanah County website. I'm like, well,
you can drive over there if you want to. You're
not gonna see nobody in.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
The parking lot.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
It does not exist. So I can't pull from someplace
that does not exist. So they gave me Bridge Valley,
excuse me, bridge View and two other schools, But that
would have still meant that I would have had to
say goodbye to thirty seven players that have played for
me over the years. I have people who have played
for me since D team and now they're on a team,
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and I would have had to tell them goodbye.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
And I run a kid's league.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
And just to be clear, the schools, the thirteen schools
that were making up where your players are from. It's
not as though you were recruiting those kids. Those kids
were coming in because for example, I played it Kana
City coach, I played at Western Generals. Those teams don't
exist no more. And I know particularly what happened with
Western Generals is that when that organization disbanded, a lot
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of those coaches and kids went to Dunbar. Hints what
you said about stability, so in in in switching going
to now get a new league. How does that does
that hurt? How does that affect you moving forward?
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Well, it's been a great thing so due to the
conditioning and things like that. So initially I did have
to tell my kids, you know, they're not going to
let me keep my grandfather kids, but in order to
keep my program, I'm just gonna have to let you go.
And I sat on it for about two weeks and
I said, I cannot do that to them. I literally
had kids making those little kids facebooks and they were
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messaging me like, hey miss Courtney, when it is cheered
practice er. I'm like, I can't. I can't do this
to them. So I went back, you know, I try
to contact the try State. I called an emergency meeting.
I try to regroup, but try to let them know,
you know, what was going on, and they just they
just didn't want to hear it.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
I have a question for you, Courtney, and I'm sorry
you're going through this.
Speaker 8 (07:56):
I know it must be tough on the kids, an't
on you as well, but so so changing leagues that
you had to do that in order to keep all
of your kids together, which is understandable. What if, Courtney,
they would have come to you and said, Okay, we'll
let you keep these grandfathered kids in, but once those
kids run through your league, you still have to draw
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from these schools that we've assigned. Would that be a
possibility for you, guys.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
That's what I was actually hoping that they would have
countered me for. Uh huh, I I wish that would
have been the counter offer. It's easier for me to say, hey,
I've had these kids forever. I can keep them, and
I will keep the boundaries of the new kids coming
in right, and I will you know, I will try
to monitor that limit that just let me keep these kids.
And that's what I honestly thought they was going to
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let me do. But they just didn't make me that off.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
It just wasn't on the table at all.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Okay, So I want to let me ask this question.
When you the folks that you're talking about, you're talking
about the leadership of the leagues, right, yes, which typically
are the president of each one of those Leaguesidents fourteen.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Yes, So.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
For for us, I know that I don't to my
to my knowledge and you can correct me if I'm
wrong here. I don't think that we have like when
you guys were in a separate league, that conversation with
the past, the league that we were in together, the
conversation that you all had, we had no We had
no idea because we got stuck. We weren't aware of
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the last two leagues that have taken place. We had
no idea that was that was even happening. We looked
up when somebody posted here's this new league, here's the
new Canal County League.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
We were not in it. You all were not in it.
Saint Albans was not in it.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I think GW was, or South Hills was not in it.
Speaker 7 (09:58):
Just the Appalachian League.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Yes, So we did apply to the Appalachian League last
year before we applied to the Tri State League. But
just to be honest, they basically told me the only
way that they would accept.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
My program into their program.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Was if I let go of our boys coordinator at
a time, which was Seawan Tom Forte coach Cutty. And
if you know anything about dunbar football. There's no Dunbar
football without coach Cutty. And I was not willing to
make that adjustment to them.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Why would that be a demand, do you think?
Speaker 5 (10:36):
I think it's a demand because he's such, he's such
a large presence, but it's because he's a good person
and sometimes us he's very vocal about his past and
what he's done to better himself throughout. So they made
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it seem as though it may have been a background
fault of his but to our knowledge, dumbar football knowledge,
the incident that they're referring to was thirty two years old,
So that's just an.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
Excuse to me.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
I agree.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
They couldn't give me any other reason as to why
they did not want to let us in. The only
stipulation I was given was to let him go, and
I don't. We don't leave any bullpups behind and let me.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Let me let me say.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Let me say this, and I've said it on Facebook
a number of times.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
If there is.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
An individual, if there is an individual who is dedicated
sold all the way in is kids, it is cutting
John Forte. You like he he he will fight you
over his kids, you know. And he don't have to
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have no relationship with with it. He's adamant about he's
passionate about the game aim Because all of that, you
can't to me, you can't look at that person and
say you need him to go.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
What you should be doing.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Is how do I get a guy like that? That's
to me, that's the issue.
Speaker 8 (12:17):
Is there some type of in their league? That's that's
the rule, even you have some type of you know,
charge or something that you can't be a coach or
no like over riding regulations.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Of course, with every league, there's one thing that makes
sure of with every league that you're in, it's that
you're not a registered sex dependent and sometimes sometimes some
leagues have a rule where you cannot have a recent
criminal activity like a violent crush. Sure, but to my knowledge,
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that's not his background either, and it was a lot.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
To me.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
The background part of this for him makes no sense,
like there's he's been he's been coaching already for who
knows how long? So how where now does this all
of a sudden show up?
Speaker 9 (13:11):
Right?
Speaker 4 (13:11):
You know, like why would this? Why would this show up?
Speaker 3 (13:14):
If he's been able to he's been around these kids,
he's been a positive impact on these particular kids the
entire time he's been there. Right now, you're going to
hold him accountable for something from from his past to
keep him from touching those kids. But I think it's
a it's a community thing. I think when you go
from community community we have different understanding of certain things.
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But the question I want to ask is that you know,
like just moving forward from a like a sort of
a holistic bird's eye of you perspective just on you sports,
particularly here in the valley, what would you just like
to see done like in your perfect world? Like what
would what would your perfect world look like as far
as you know, kids competing in football, chair and whatever else?
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How would a league be made up?
Speaker 7 (14:03):
Let's see my perfect world. My perfect world, we would
have a sports.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Complex that would be accessible to all kids at no
costs to the franchises. So if we want to go
and have a game someplace, we have to pay to
go there.
Speaker 7 (14:20):
It would be nice if we did not have to
pay to go there.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
This is for kids, and when we're having to pay
for practices, we have to pay for games, So it
would be nice to have access to facility.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
It would be nice to Last year.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
My vice president and I we worked year round and
we raised ninety thousand dollars to get all new equipment
for our kids.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
It would be nice if, just in my perfect world,
if the.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
City of Dunbar would take some ownership and look at
their UTH sports program and.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
See what they could do to actually help us out
the way.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
We're not out here having a grind like we had
to grind, So that would be great. It would be
nice if I didn't have to charge as much as
I have to charge my kids.
Speaker 7 (14:59):
I have to charge one sixty five for cheer on
thirty for football.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
And that's also because Dunbar, the City of Dunbar doesn't
take pride and it's U sports program and provide us
with the funds to be able to do more. But
it would be great if I had if I had
more coach Cutties. It would be great if I had
more coach Grandmas. She's the equivalent to Coach Cutty, but
she's for cheerleaders. And it would be great if I
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had parents who were willing to step up and do
the work that was needed to make sure that the
programs are taken care of. I can sit here all
day long and bash a city for not taking care
of us or say, you know, I've been out here
doing this and that. But it would be great if
we had parents that said, Okay, I do have this
kid here that comes to practice every day and they
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don't have enough money for cleats, but I got an
old pair of cleats at home, or I got an
extra fifty dollars. You know, I can step in and
help those kids out. That would be my perfect world.
And another thing is it would be just so great
if adults would just let the kids do what they.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
That's always What about what about like first league wide?
Would you like to see a situation in which, you know,
it kind of almost reverted back where because I know, like,
for example, Charleston Cougar the little and I think maybe
you guys they're like traveling to Parkersburg every other week.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
And that's crazy.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
We're in the same league.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
So are you back in Okay? So yeah, we're all
in the same Okay.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Yes, So when I made the move to go to
the Ohio Valley League, it was just on Saturday, Saturday.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
We just moved Saturday, and.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
You guys have to pretty much like go back and
forth to Parkersburg every other week.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Is that Basically, we have.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Four home games that are here in Dunbar or South Charleston,
and then I have four away games. We had to
travel a lot last year due to be in the
Profit League, so we're used to it. Okay, we're just
happy to be able to play, but it would be
nice to be able to get the local teams and
things like that to get other again. But once again,
that's not going to be able to happen until certain
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adults put their egos aside, if we let until we
let go of stereotypes, because there's a stigma on certain leagues.
Dunbar is blessed enough. I don't know how to say
that the note, you know, a more classy way, but
we're the bougie black people. We're we're the boogie.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Black League in the valley.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
And then of course, you know there's another league that
is considered the ghetto black league in the valley, and
you know, people don't want to play against them, or
every time we do play against them, you know, there's
always a stigma that is there going to be a fighter,
They're going to be, you know, doing something they're not
supposed to be doing. I just think we just need
to get rid of the stigmas, get rid of the stereotypes,
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and realize that if we do not come together, these
kids ultimately will not have a place to play because
that league's done.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
We've left the Try State League.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
I'm sure we could go back if we wanted to,
but I don't want to as my kids. The o
Higher River Valley League has accepted us with open arms.
They seem like great people. But if this doesn't work out,
then what's next. We have to realize that all we
have is each other and.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
That's ultimately let me let me, let me ask her
this question. Do you think that we need outside help
to to fight this battle? Because as coaches and going
to the meetings, they're never going to really let us in.
I mean they're never you know, they're because they don't
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they don't be yes, because they don't. They don't want
to play you all, you know, they don't they don't
want to play Charleston.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
You know, they just they you know, it is.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
The quote black teams that they do not want to play.
And we're not a black team, even though we're considered
that we're not that. But it's like they won't, they
don't want to play because they don't feel like they
can win. And I think we should be playing in
the valley. If you're in the valley, you should be
playing in the ballet. I think also, man, it's ain't
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about black and white. This suit that are kids like
this should be like just for kids. And my problem
with this and all kind of the issues that's going
around with the different leagues and everything is that sports
are foundation. So whether you're talking about football, whether you're
talking about cheer, a lot of these kids black, white, otherwise, poor, rich, whatever,
this is the foundation that they're going to maintain themselves
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in school. Some of these kids are going to get scholarships.
Some of these kids are gonna go and do great
things off the backs of sports. So to your point,
coordinat like the focus are to be the kids. Yeah,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
So I don't think that we need outside help. I
don't think that we need outside help to kind of
get us together. What I think is is we need
to build an alliance within us. All the presidents in
the valley need to come together, call it a truce,
and let's start over. Because if we can't get it
together with just us, somebody coming intent every top of
our shoulder telling us what to do isn't going to
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make us any better. I'm a firm belief if you know,
if you want to play for me, you can play
for me. If you want to play somebody else, you
can play for somebody else. I want you to be happy,
and I'm not going to be happy with somebody standard
top of my back telling me how to run my program.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I love that, and I love that, and I'm not
saying that they're going to that they're going to be
overseeing your program, right, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
That's not my thing. My thing is we are all back.
If you're if your league, if your team is in
the Kanall County, if you're in Kanall County, you should
be playing in Kanall County.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Well, I think that's to a point, Like just to
her point. What she's saying is like Kanall County got
to come together first before you can just for somebody else.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
I'm with that, but we don't have that. The teams
that are in Kanall County now that are set up,
they don't want they don't they're not taking us.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
But that's her point, That's what I'm saying, So we
have to That's why I'm saying we have to get
somebody on the outside and get I get when you
say you don't want anybody on outside telling us what
to do, I'm saying saying that you can't do these things.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
You can't do these things and play on Kannall County.
Speaker 8 (21:12):
See.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
See.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
I think the complete opposite.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
I think that when you you know, you start something,
you have bylaws. It's the simplest following the rules. I
don't need you made micro management. I got a set
of bylaws.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
We're going to follow them. We can agree on them.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
Yeah, you know, we can.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Get it figured out.
Speaker 8 (21:28):
I just had a quick question for you guys. You're
all the little league gurus here.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
And I'm out here no man's land.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
But so I know, Courtney, you expressed concern about your
your perceived lack of support from from the Dunbar community.
It sounds like you don't get the level of support
that you would like. What are other little leagues, you know,
the ones that, for example, South Charleston do the cities
of those little leagues that different little leagues do they.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Support their team our city, our city.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
With finances and equipment and things that you.
Speaker 7 (21:59):
Are of Charleston his top tier.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
That man has made sure that every single little league
in his city, basketball, baseball, football, cheer is free.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
It's no extra cost of the pearance.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
And that is they have a place to play, they
have equipment that's up to date. The mayor of Charleston,
she built a field over here on North Charleston for
her team. She recognizes them even when they win a game.
She lets them come to city Hall and gets certificates
and stuff like that. For lack of better words, the
mayor of Dunbar is trash. He's never been to a practice.
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I told y'all when y'all ask me to come here,
that's gonna keep it real. He's never been to a practice,
he's never called, he's never seen when we needed.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
We've reached out several.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Times, you know, asking for just anything, and it's never
been done.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Well, you do have your delegate, so you know, I'm
a supporter and I you know, I do what I can.
And like I said, and moving forward, like I said,
if you wanted to try to facilitate that, I would
be happy to you know, be a part of that
and help that discussion. But like I said, the ultimately
the reason why I would invited you on the show
is to express the things that you've expressed, and I
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just wanted the viewers out there, if you're listening, if
we're talking about youth sports, football, basketball, baseball, cheer gymnastics, tennis, whatever,
it's about the kids. It's about kids having fun, it's
about kids developing. It's not necessarily I mean, we all
want to win, no doubt, but it ain't even about winning.
It's about the kids. And we have to bring the
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focus back to kids. I mean, if you watch social
media everyday, parents out of their minds at youth sports
and it's making it a toxic environment for everybody. Ultimately,
whether whatever whatever community were talking about, it's about kids.
I can't I can't even There's nothing I can say
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that would.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Would go against anything that you're saying.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
It's just the fact that I don't understand why we
are not focused on it.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Where are you looking like, well, where I don't know
looking Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I can't even
answer that.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
You do need all of those things in every community
to fund or to support middle.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
School, high school, you got to you've got to.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Have a system that's going to work up the up
the ladder and.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
And honestly, if you guys can't you know, work together
as teams, you know, it's going to be difficult to secure,
you know, that that type of regulation and ruling and
financial support because you know, you guys are having to,
you know, jump from league to league because you're being
told one thing from one side and another from the
other side, and so it's real difficult for you guys
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to unite because it's kind of like they've turned you
guys against each other to a degree, you know, because
of the rules and regulations, and so until you guys
can band together as a as a unit, it's it's
going to be hard, I would think, do you agree, Courtney,
I mean, it sounds to me that.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Absolutely is that way. And that's why the last week
that we were all in with Dumbar, South Charleston, Charleston,
GW and Saint Almands disbanded. It was just because we
did not come together internally. There should have been a conversation.
It shouldn't have left the way it was. Unfortunately, the
president of the league at that time didn't feel like
it was something.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
That he needed to disclose, but that definitely.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Should have been a conversation. They should have come to
the table and been like, hey, if we don't get
it together, this league is going to be done and
you guys are going to have to travel and do
all this other stuff. And I guarantee you if they
would have known what the alternative was going to be.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
So and again, so we want to leave on a
positive note. So when does Dunbar start first games? What
are you looking forward this season?
Speaker 5 (25:50):
The grid rama is August the ninth, and it is
at Herbert Hoover High School. And I believe our first
game is the seventeenth, excuse me, not October.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
August the ninth.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Is grid It's at Herbert Hoover High School. And then
our first game is August the seventeenth.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
And when his first cheer cheer competition let the girls.
Speaker 7 (26:10):
Out all it is September the twentieth.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
All right, well, thank you Corney. We appreciate you coming
on and like I said, hopefully we can get this together.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
Thank you, Courtney.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Switching switching conversation here.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah, going from U Sports citing NFL and so Hollingstad
You've got this.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
God.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
So there was a story that recently came out about
you know, NFL players hockeying their Super Bowl tickets. So
I guess NFL players up around the league or maybe
with the teams. You get a certain amount of tickets
to the Super Bowl, and the players were selling the
tickets above market value. So it was about one hundred
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players and coaches, because they just said they led the
article with players, but once you read the article, it's
players and coaches were selling their tickets above face value,
the NFL find out. So it was I think a
one hundred players from about fifteen twenty teams, something to
that effect. And so the players specifically, they were offered
either you can get a fine, which I think is
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like one and a half times the value of the
ticket or some or what you sold it for, or
if you don't get a fine, you will forfeit your
Super Bowl tickets for the next two Super Bowls. So
I'm sure you've been in this situation where you had
I ain't say you sold tickets, but where you were
a lot of tickets.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
So he was on the streets. So what happened so.
Speaker 9 (27:38):
So so for the folks who who don't know, like
how we do, how we decide on topics or whatever,
we're texting back and forth and all of that, and
then I look up and holler send this text about.
Speaker 8 (27:55):
I did about America just kind of was like, whoa,
this is something here, we need to talk about it.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
So I'm like I laughed when I when when she
was talking about let's let's.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Talk about it.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Because at the end of the day, Okay, this is
how I see it, and let me let me. Let
me first admit the statute of limitation have ran. I
am going to admit super bowls. For all of the
super Bowls that I got tickets for if I didn't
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go to the super Bowl, which I might have gone
to maybe two or three, maybe you know, I sold
the rest of them. Now, now, did you sell them
for market value or you were whatever it was going for?
Speaker 4 (28:48):
That's a better way.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
If I if I sell my if I sell my
s u V today, it's got a bunch of miles
on it, right, so I can't get I can't get
market value and super Bowl you might be able to
buy sell me super Bowl tickets.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Yeah, So my point was that my point, My point was.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
That the fact that I realized that my SUV can't
be market value, you get me some up to date
Super Bowl tickets. I do realize that they're going to
be above the cost that's on the ticket. And so
in most cases, players, we guys on the team would
buy your ticket.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Some would be going, some might be I don't know
what they know.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
So you're saying, guys that's playing in the game in
the super Bowl, the guys, your teammates, my teammates, you
some teammates may buy them. What they do with them,
I don't know. But there's also a market of people
who will who was there and around you in that
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in settings that are saying, hey, are you going to
the Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (29:56):
No?
Speaker 3 (29:56):
So they so they looking early like hey, you might
find them in in the parties. Yet it's not like
a dude like this is not like a football player
out on the street trying to like sell his ticket.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
So you're getting solicited.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
People you already know when you come in, if you
come in as a rookie, you make the team, you're
gonna get how many every Super Bowl tickets that that
that you're going to get from that team? You could
The very first thing you're going to see is veteran
players either buying or selling the tickets it's this is like,
it's crazy because you're trying to because what it sounds
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like the way it's coming across is like this is
like this crazy.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
They're out there peddling. That's what it's. That's the red life.
No it is.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
That's the way I read.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
That's the way I read.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I'm not saying guys are not doing that. I can't
say what they're doing now. I'm saying before I would
sell my tickets to you, and and yeah, I'm not
gonna if the ticket was ten dollars, you're probably gonna
pay me twenty got it?
Speaker 6 (30:54):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (30:55):
But but but that was that rule in place. The
rule that they got these guys with today, is that
in place back then that they had certain regulations for
the for the tickets.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
From the article, it looks like this was part of
the CBA. So I don't know if this was like
old CBA or current CBA. So they stated part of
the CBA, you can't sell your tickets. I would say this,
and I'll ask just in in in thought process, if
that was something that was so bad, would management tell
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you can't sell your tickets? Don't it's part of the CBA.
So I'm guessing players know you can't sell. But it's
written somewhere fine print.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
But I'm just saying we it was. It was, It
was a it was an easy.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Thing for us, like it was automatic, like you already knew,
like I already know the week that, the last year,
last game. Whenever you get your whenever you get your
Super Bowl tickets, the very first thing that you're gonna
hear about is.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Who do you want to buy my tickets?
Speaker 8 (31:58):
Well, let me ask you this. I'm gonna open a
Pandora's boxes. This just crossed my mind. So, okay, So
when you get these tickets, yearly tickets for the Super Bowl, right,
are you assigned a certain seat a certain section? Is
this ticket assigned to Carl Lee? This certain seat, this
certain place.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
I don't know if it has my name on it,
but it's going to have a s.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
But but there's a paper trail that leads the ticket to use.
What I'm saying correct, like, this is your seat.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
At the super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
I don't, I don't think because I don't has to be.
It has to be.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
So let's let's let's play Devil's advocate here.
Speaker 8 (32:30):
Let's say that you your teammates says, Hey, you know
you got this super Bowl ticket and you go, okay, sure,
I'll give it to you for face value. But then
your your buddy goes out there and he sells it
for a profit. Are you still held responsible for that
because it's your tickets?
Speaker 4 (32:44):
You may be, But so I would.
Speaker 8 (32:46):
Be careful about who I give that super Bowl ticket to, right, Hollis.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Yeah, and I'm guessing you're responsible there.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
There has to be some paper trail allotment of numbers
or something like these batch of tickets when this is
this team, this one to that team, and it was
distribute this way. I'm going to say, I'm going to
say I'm going to go out on a limb because again,
I think this is funny.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
I don't. I don't see this as serious as what
the league might see it. Because what I yes, the
reality of who doesn't.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
My question would be if you're not if you're not
going to the playoffs, or you're not in the playoffs,
or you don't want to go.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
To the super Bowl, who's who's not selling the tickets?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Right?
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Who's not going to sell the ticket?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
And I think the point that you made at the
on set regarding you know, like, it's not as though
players like got these on Facebook market.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Sales or Craigslist or something.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
They're like, if you're at dinner parties, if you're if
you're at dinner parties, if you're at this event, that
event is probably lawyers, c pas, doctors coming up to
you asking you and to your point as well, this
happens within the context of the locker room. So if somebody,
you know, want to bring their family or their kids
or whatever, they need a couple extray, Hey, let me
get those tickets off. And if you're a rookie on
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a rookie deal in the NFL and I can get
ten twenty thousand for this, I might want to take
that because I don't know what's going to happen, you know,
next season. And again to that's exactly how it to me.
And like I said, that's why I laughed when I
was thinking, oh yeah, we can talk about that, because
I know how casual it was.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
Here's my other question.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Who trusted these guys?
Speaker 8 (34:31):
I mean, who went to the league and said, Hey,
this guy charged me, you know more than face value.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
I want to report him.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Who would do that? Now I'm going to ask I'm
going to say this, nobody reported them. How long have
they been knowing? And now the value's gone up.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
I think probably selling them with higher the pays higher,
you know, the leagues, the money that the players are
making now they you're saying.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
The people that bought the tickets from the.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Play buy at a higher number. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
But and I think what happens to the Facebook told
on them? Because if you're if you're saying, like me,
you know what I mean? If I got the tickets
from you know, Carle, I say, hey, look super Bowl
tickets a bottom from CARLEI not even not even meaning
to like snitch, but you know, I'm on social media.
So I'm sure some of that happened and it just
got out and this is silly. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I don't even think.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
I don't even think that anybody would say because whoever,
people are definitely going to say social media they tell everything.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
Yeah, but here's the story.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
I don't Here's what I don't think.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I don't think that there's that I'm going to sell
my tickets to somebody random that I don't know, And so.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
You don't think you would know somebody you don't Some
of you don't.
Speaker 8 (35:46):
Casually know somebody money in their contract, guaranteed money.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
See for me, what I remember, and again it could
be totally different now. But what I remember was my
my tickets are gone before I even walk out the door.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
It's happening in the locker room. You know now what
they got there? And the dude who's gonna take those tickets?
I know for a fact that those tickets have some
kind of marking on it to confirm that it's it
was a player's ticket.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Right, I'm gonna assume that. And at no given time
was this an issue.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Right Again, I think the reason it is now is
because I think the money that they're asking for now
is much much higher. What if I sold my tickets
for I think I think you got four tickets, so
each player in the league gets fortunate. I think it
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was four tickets, I think. So let's assume I got four.
Speaker 8 (36:49):
Okay, that's the whole stadium, and and and and Hollis
is on the team, and Hollis is like, hey, brother,
you're going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
No I'm not going. Can I buy your tickets? Yeah?
So let's just say I just use a random number.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Let's just say the tickets were seventy five dollars a shot,
or let's just say a hundred.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
So you're gonna probably pay me seven or eight hundred.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yeah, you know, and I'm gonna take the seven or
eight hundred, give you the tickets, and bro, we happy,
everybody happy.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
I don't think it's like I said, I don't think
it's a big deal, and I don't think the league
think it's a big deal. And I would really like
just as another point, I think when you talk about
Super Bowl, Sporld Series, and I understand everybody wants to go,
but I would really like to see these leagues make
an effort to make these events more family affordable. I
think to have tickets upwards. They said some tickets in
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Super Bowl costs ten to fifteen, twenty thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
That's ridiculous, man. So I don't consider this a big deal,
and so.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
I'm gonna fall into the gambling situation. Okay, you know
you've got teams that are players that are now getting
caught and proven that they are they.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
Are the Major League, Baseball.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Baseball, football, any sport.
Speaker 8 (38:11):
Really, the most recent incidents that was Major League Baseball, correct,
just this past week.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yes, Now, when you start to think about, like the
NFL tells you that you can you cannot gamble, you
cannot bet.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
How many how many commercials.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Are about betting gambling, But here here you're making money.
You're making money on the gamblers, gambling selling all of these,
all these are your commercials, and you're gonna tell me
I can't go.
Speaker 8 (38:48):
Well, it's the same as the alcohol commercials that they
played during games.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
That doesn't mean you can go out and get a.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
D u I.
Speaker 8 (38:55):
I mean, you know that there's rules in place and
the average My problem with all of it is I
think that they need to make sure the rules. There's
obviously a problem with gambling. I mean, I think now
that it's become more commonplace for you know, the average
person to be able to go out and you pick
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your phone up and you can gamble. You don't have
to go to the casino. That's the problem. It's it's
too accessible, it's too easy, and it's it's you know,
these players are just sucked in by these you know,
these easy bets. They can get on you know, DraftKings
or whatever, or have their buddy do it.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
And if you, if you, if you, here's the thing.
If you catch a guy who is you know he's
helping himself through the gambling situation, you know he you know,
he knows what the spread is, he knows all this,
and he has a way to try to do that,
which I don't think is possible.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
I think it's proven that it's it's not impossible.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
If everybody on the whole old team has to know
because somebody's trying to play, So somebody's trying to play
to win. Somebody is not trying to get a spread.
So I don't even see how that's even an issue.
So if i'm if i'm if I'm betting on my team,
I'm not saying it's okay, we win, I make money, Okay.
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What here's the problem. The problem is that when you
talk about gambling and Talsa's point, let me say this
before you go on. I don't gamble at all. I've
never I went the biggest different even. But the problem
is is not gambling within the context of your generation
is not what it is in this generation, this generation
of young particularly young men, where the athlete non athlete,
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they're picking up their phones and they're getting the same
dopamine hit that they would do as though they're using drugs.
And the problem with the state of gambling, to Lisa's
point where or to your point where it's just everywhere,
is that it's become a cultural thing within the context
of young men, particularly in young women. So I don't know,
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and I don't have a good answer in that, how
that you police gambling out of sports where you're already
hyper competitive, where you're already you're used to those dopamine
hits at all levels, and now gambling can be added
to that. So I'm not sure when you have the
accessibility of a phone, how you adequately police it out
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of it. So I'm not saying that they should be
allotted to do it, but I'm just not sure how
you eradicate it. Don't promote something that you don't want
your players to do one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
And that's I can agree.
Speaker 8 (41:43):
With your money in that that they're not gonna they're
not gonna do that. I mean, it is embedded in ESPN,
it's embedded.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
In sports, and it's embedded in the culture.
Speaker 6 (41:50):
It's embedded in the culture.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
You're right, but how much money?
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Again, the question becomes is is promoting gambling promoting alcohol?
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Is that? Do you need that to have to make
the money that you need? Yeah, and you could drop
those probably you could drop those two things. You could
drop those two things. And I think that you could.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Go but to and I agree with you Coach that
you cannot you you cannot say you cannot promote it.
I mean it's ESPN has their own book. ESPN has
their own Gamblely book. So you can't promote it to
that level and then tell people not to do it.
Speaker 8 (42:25):
That's kind of and then to your point about alcohol,
here we are we're just ganging up on Carlton have
to go.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
I'm in agreement with that. I'm in agreement with He's right.
You can't promote it and then tell people not that
you can do it.
Speaker 8 (42:37):
Okay, yeah, okay, But but you said could they get
away completely from the advertising or did I hear that wrong?
Speaker 6 (42:43):
Are you saying they.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Should be saying they should dump it?
Speaker 6 (42:46):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (42:47):
So what is the Super Bowl commercials without the Budweiser Clydesdale.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
So we have or Taco Bell, right, I mean people people.
Speaker 6 (42:57):
Talk about that, and that's related to ocohol.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
So I get that. I don't. I'm not. I'm not
saying that that's.
Speaker 6 (43:05):
That's not going away.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
That's what I want. I don't think it's gonna go
away either. They can.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
They can.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
They can talk about the players all they want, but
you know that they're not gonna because they're not gonna
give up the money. The organizations, the professional organizations in
sports care about them. The players are secondary and every
time that a player, there's an opportunity for players to
(43:29):
to do something. You know, Let's just again, if I'm
gambling and you're thinking I'm making money, how dare me
do that when I'm gonna shoot every other commercial alcohol?
I agree with you on that, man. And if you
have a gambling problem called one gambling, well, I'm gonna
(43:53):
we're gonna have to bring this back up because because
we're gonna have to come back.
Speaker 6 (43:57):
I'm myself and my I like it that way.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
It's okay, guys, All right, well, ladies and gentlemen, we
will take a quick break and we'll be right back.
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Speaker 4 (45:29):
Right, ladies and gentlemen, we're back.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Hollis is gonna try to create another issue. Yeah, so
it's gonna be fun It's a little barbershop.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
It's gonna be funny.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
So there's been a lot, there's been a lot of
discussion about whether Jalen Hurts, super Bowl winning quarterback for
the Philadelphia Eagles, is a top ten quarterback. And I
find the discussion ridiculous, right because he's certainly in today's
this year, you know, moving into this season, he's certainly
a top ten quarterback to me. So I want you
(46:01):
guys opinion. And these are the quarterbacks that kind of
people are considering. Of course, you got Lamar Jackson, you
got Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Jalen Daniels, you got Joe Burrow,
Baker Mayfield, Justin Herbert, Dak Prescott, Jared Goff, Jordan Love.
So within those do we feel like and I would
say Jayalen Hurts is a top three quarterback within those?
Speaker 4 (46:22):
So what do you guys think?
Speaker 3 (46:26):
I don't know how you don't you know, you got
to look at super bowls. You gotta get there and
you gotta win them.
Speaker 6 (46:33):
He's done that, Patrick, I know, but I'm just.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Saying I get that. I'm just saying to me, I'm
a Patrick Mahomes. Well, he's number one. He's off the list,
so we don't need to discuss him. I mean, if
he ain't number one, so he's off the board, I
think we all agree he's number one. Move on, all right,
I'll go. I'll go with Lamar Jackson, like, okay, number two. Yeah,
(46:55):
I got number two?
Speaker 6 (46:56):
What you got I would get, I would go. I
don't understand why Jalen's not on the list.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
I'm still I don't understand.
Speaker 8 (47:03):
I mean, I'm looking at all these qualifications of a
of a goat quarterback and he's not He's not quite
the threshold, but.
Speaker 6 (47:09):
He's getting there.
Speaker 8 (47:10):
He's getting there, and I don't understand how he could
not be a part of the top ten. I mean,
I'm a I'm a Packer fan, and I'm kind of
amazed at George love is. I'm going to ignore that
statement for coming from a Viking player. I'm amazed that
Jordan Love considering his accomplishments over the years, and I
(47:31):
think if they've been in the league about the same
moment he rank above Jalen.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
I mean in some people's list, he does. I mean,
like I said this, and this originated from Cam Newton.
He's on his podcast and he was having a discussion,
and you know, it's that time of season, everybody's sort
of ranking their quarterbacks there.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
And yeah, in the jersey's over the button up switch.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
I don't know, but he's basically, but basically he said
Jalen Hurts was not in his top ten. And we're
talking about just current quarterbacks. And I'm astounded because when
you look at what we look at, what's a good quarterback? Right,
A good quarterback is going to number one. You gotta win,
and you gotta win super Bowls. He's been to one
super Bowl and and here's the point. In both super
(48:12):
Bowls that he went to, although he's won and one
he out played Patrick Mahome. Yeah both, Yeah, unfortunately he
paid out. He clearly out played him in both games.
And a lot of times what people are doing, they're saying, well,
he has a superior team defense on line, different things
like that.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
But you name me somebody who didn't win with the
superior team.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
And last point, and a lot of good A lot
of quarterbacks can mess up that team too, you know,
So it's not it's not a given just because you
got a good players around him.
Speaker 8 (48:39):
He doesn't come across to me as a diva at
all either, Like I feel like he's a team player.
I mean, look at the push, you know, the guys
is out there to win. I mean he's he's not
all about himself. So to me, that that was a
that was a faux Paul. He should have been in
there somewhere.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
I gotta my my only the only question that I have.
Oh maybe it's two h Prescott.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
You hate that Prescott with everything? Yes, you do. Don't
you Hatecott? I just I just don't. I don't. I
don't see him.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Don't you get a subjective So I don't really see him.
I see him being a great player. What I don't
see is I don't see him being a great leader.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
That's that that.
Speaker 8 (49:28):
That's because he can't be a great leader because he's
got Jerry James quarterback.
Speaker 4 (49:34):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
Part of it, that part of it, I'm gonna. I'm
gonna Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
That's crazy to know. How do you have Baker Mayfield?
I don't understand that.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
I don't know who's behind him, that he he's not.
Speaker 4 (49:56):
He's not in this list. He's not. And I love
Baker Mayfield, but he's not. He's not. He's not on
that list.
Speaker 6 (50:02):
He's not.
Speaker 4 (50:03):
He's not.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
And I again, I don't know how you And then
so let me ask you.
Speaker 6 (50:07):
He's not even a dual threat type.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
He can move a little bit. I like berkha mouth can.
He can move, but he's not gonna wave you. Yeah, okay,
if he's gonna throw you some pits. Okay, So here's
what you gotta learn. Okay, I'm getting to teach you.
So go ahead, you can teach me. Try to anyway
in today's game when you have to say okay, but yeah,
but he can kind of do something else, and that's yeah, okay,
(50:34):
but let me let me let me ask you this.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
Let me ask you.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
This is Joe Burrow. Should he be considered top five?
We could say he's top ten, but because he's missed
the playoff, I think the last two years he put
up amazing stats. But what somebody pointed out was that, yeah,
those stats were good because a lot of time was
spent coming back. So you have to pass in order
to try to catch up. So is he and he
he made the Super Bowl one year, So is he
(50:57):
on this list?
Speaker 4 (50:58):
Again? My question, my question will go in a different.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
See that's what he does. He take a question and yeah,
he asked his own question. You should be a politician.
I want to I want to figure out again, I'm
looking at when I'm thinking quarterback, I'm the guy sitting
on the sideline because I'm on defense now, so and
I'm watching my quarterback.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
He's got to be the leader, Like, he's got to
be a.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
Dude who is like yelling and screaming and telling dudes
what to do and they gonna do it.
Speaker 4 (51:28):
I don't like.
Speaker 6 (51:29):
You don't see Joe Burrow doing that.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
I don't know. I like, I like like, I like him.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
I don't have anything against him. I just think he
plays that list. I'm looking at a list of guys
who I think are super talented, great quarterbacks, dual threats.
But I don't know, I don't know if is there
anybody really like on this list. When I'm going back
to Patrick Mahomes, who I think is a true straight
(51:58):
up leader. But I think you got leaders on here.
But I don't think you can mistake leadership for talent.
I think Patrick Mahomes is a once in a generation talent.
Speaker 4 (52:09):
He's give that.
Speaker 3 (52:10):
Talent wise, he's the best quarterback I've ever seen. Talent wise,
I think the thing that hurts or separates like a
Joe Burrow and Jalen Hurts is Unfortunately Joe Burrow plays
for a terrible franchise who makes terrible decisions consistently, where
the Philadelphia Eagles they are a much better rand fanchise.
So that's why talent wise, I was still having more there.
(52:32):
But I don't think I think he's and this is
just my prediction. I think eventually he'll have to get
traded in order to really go to the next level
because Cincinnati Bingles are terrible franchise. To that conversation you
just had, like I'm going to go Somebody's not on
the list and somebody who I played with, Tommy crameer. Okay,
Tommy Kramer had a major drinking issue and all of those.
Speaker 4 (52:55):
Kind of things.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
His skill set was it necessarily great throws, he was,
he was a he was a good guy to he can.
Speaker 4 (53:06):
Move around enough. But Brian a leader.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
When you start talking about and see, and I think
when I think about quarterback, I'm thinking about like I
think the first thing.
Speaker 4 (53:19):
Comes to my mind is Tommy Kramer, because you ain't.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
You ain't getting away with anything like he'll come cuss
you out face to face and you ain't and you
ain't throwing no blows, like you ain't gonna.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
Be like you ain't talking to me that way. Yes
he is. I think it's different leaders though. I think
that's just a leadership style.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Well and but but again when I look at that,
and I say, Okay, that leadership style has a has
a has a place can put you over just skill set.
You know, skill set is great.
Speaker 6 (53:53):
I think you have both.
Speaker 8 (53:54):
I mean you have to have skill set and leadership skills.
I mean otherwise you're not going to be one of
the great ones because I think Eli man.
Speaker 3 (54:00):
Right right, Yeah, And you're looking at some of these
guys who didn't have the athletic ability to run the ball,
so they're not really quote a dual threat. But what
they brought in the pocket, how they handled themselves, how
they handled their team, that's the key.
Speaker 4 (54:15):
How does that quarterback handle that his teams. That's a
good point.
Speaker 6 (54:18):
That's a good point.
Speaker 8 (54:19):
Let me ask you this then, if these are all
these are all active quarterbacks in them. Okay, So so
where's Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 4 (54:27):
Stop? All right, that's a good show. Thank you for listening.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
And Lord, but before we go, give me give me
your top five, top five, top five my Homes Jackson,
uh Burrol, Okay, Hurts, I think that's five.
Speaker 4 (55:03):
Okay, what you got.
Speaker 8 (55:04):
Oh, let's see, I'm gonna have to Jalen Hurts. I'm
gonna put it. He's already on here. Okay, Jalen Hurts
is one. Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes of course, Lamar Jackson
for sure, and Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
Okay, I would go, of course, Patrick Mahomes, I'm going, uh,
Jayalen Hurts, I'm going to Lamar Jackson, I would go
Josh Allen, and I would go Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 4 (55:29):
You see, you can also throw C. J.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
Stroud on there. I mean, it's some arguments for that. Yeah.
All right, Well that was a good fight.
Speaker 4 (55:39):
The ring.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we hope you enjoyed the show,
and we will be back next week.
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