An Hour with NFL Hall of Famer Sterling Sharpe

In this special episode of Let’s Talk with Carl Lee, Carl, Lisa Otey, and the legendary Sterling Sharpe share an honest, hilarious, and heartfelt hour reflecting on Sterling’s journey from a South Carolina farm boy to a newly elected NFL Hall of Famer. Sterling reveals his mindset as one of the league’s toughest and most entertaining receivers, behind-the-scenes stories from his Packers days, candid moments with Carl on and off the field, and hard-earned wisdom on leadership, life ownership, and doing things your way. If you love real talk, football history, and big laughs, this is one you don’t want to miss. Presented by the all-new Quarrier Diner.

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 1 (00:51):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, This is Carl Lee with Let's
Talk with Carlee. And today I have one of my
co host in the building, Lisa Odie.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Hello, and we have a.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
We have a guest, and I'm hoping that he's probably
gonna be able to hear this part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
That I have to give him his due.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
One he's going into the Hall of Fame, and then
the other side of it, was he in my view,
he was really, really, really one of the best receivers
that I've ever gone against. But I just, I just
I can't give him his due. That I hate to
have to give him his due. But trust me, during

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this conversation, he will probably make sure he gets it.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
So I'd like to introduce Sterling Sharp.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Yeah, hello, Sterling.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
Hi. Yeah, we're gonna have to work on your intro. Okay,
there was a lot more you were supposed to.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Okay, hold on for a second.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
A much better intro.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Because I couldn't give it to me.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yes, I surely can. I surely can't.

Speaker 5 (02:14):
I raised.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
Did you raise him ride? I'm not sure he.

Speaker 5 (02:20):
Knows what I did in junior high.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
To minimize Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Look, I had already prepared myself that this like, I
can't actually give you a whole lot of credit and
do so.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
I'm Lisa has them all. I want to make sure
that the folks be nice.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
I would I would to make.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Sure that she can give you your proper I can't
give it to you. I wouldn't feel good give it
to you. So just sit back and listen and let
Lisa do her job right.

Speaker 6 (02:54):
So our esteemed guests, mister Sharp Sterling Sharp. He was
drafted in the first round of the NFL in nineteen
eighty eight, seventh overall correct seven years span in the NFL,
you were one of the only two players to achieve
at least five hundred receptions and seven thousand receiving yards
in it six year span, and the other one was

(03:16):
Jerry Rice. So you are in quite esteemed company. You had,
mister Sharp five hundred and forty receptions for seven three
hundred and forty three yards during that period. You also
were invited to the Pro Bowl more than Carl five times.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
He was lucky.

Speaker 5 (03:34):
Uh huhh.

Speaker 6 (03:36):
And you also went there's a comparison that we could
do with with Jerry Rice, one of your comrades that
you played with in the NFL. He may have outpaced
you with receiving yards, but you, mister Sharp, led him
in receptions and touchdowns much better.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
Introductions, Lisa, why I appreciate what you did. You're talking
way too fast.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
I need to slow it down.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
Huh blow down. I mean I was trying to take it,
he said. I'm like, if I had seven thousand yards,
well pull a thousand of them were against Minnesota, And yes,
I don't want to call it. I ain't calling anybody
names because I don't like putting people business in the street.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
You have to tell you see, bro, I'm gonna I'm
gonna give you this. I'm going to give you this
just because this is This is like you know, a
show that you know, we bring people on, we want
to try to.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Give them their props.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
And you know, and I get this question all the time,
who's the best receiver that you win against? And everybody
the first first person that they say is like Jerry Rice,
And I'm like, no, you know, he was a great receiver.
We shut him down one year, he blow us up
the next year.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
You know.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
So it was it was that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
But the one thing that I can honestly saying, and
as much as I hate giving any du what bothered
me about you and made me realize, like, how does
this dude do this? We're in the huddle. He comes
running through our huddle telling us, I don't even know

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why you guys are huddling up. You're just gonna play
man the man and blitz everybody, right, And and I'm
sitting there and I'm lined up over him, and he's like, bro,
don't worry about it. It's a run. It's a run,
and don't talk to me. I can't play that way.
Like I can't play. I can't play like you know,

(05:40):
I'm at an intense guy like I gotta be thinking
step punch, step punch, make sure I get my.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Hands on him.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
This guy is sitting there laughing and having the best
time playing at the highest level. And to me, that
bothered me and I and I, And now that I'm
saying it on air and telling people, I think I
even dislike it even more.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
I currently enjoyed it because Minnesota was one of the
teams where I had a lot of guys that that
would have And I call it having fun with me
because it Lisa, I hope your audience knows this is
the only thing I ever wanted to do. Like, I
didn't have a contingency plan for not making it to

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the NFL. There was no I'm going to fall back
and do this. So when I played, I enjoyed every
single snap and I would walk in there huggle and
be like, oh, well that last defense didn't work. That
I would call it. But there were so many guys
that were great players that knew what they were doing,

(06:52):
that were comfortable in who they were, that would talk
with me. Richard Dent in Chicago was one. Uh Uh.
I love Scott Studwell, uh uh, the late Chris Dolman.
Don't you know who was real? H al Noga was real.

(07:15):
He was a real football player.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yes he was. And you know he gets no credit though.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
He was a real football player. And while he didn't
have the name because he played on the defense with
some out talent, standing talent with you know, Keith Millard
and Henry Thomas and those guys, he was one that
would quietly talk with me and what I loved about
what I did. And I tell people I talked, but

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I never made it public and I never made it personal.
It was always to get us through these four quarters.
When we were done, a man, stay healthy, we'll see
you on a monk, We'll see you in two months,
or whatever the case may be. When we played against
teams in our division, but I enjoyed talking with the
people that I got a chance to line up against.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Okay, so let me let me ask you this question.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
When did you know, like coming out of college, being
drafted super early in the first round and all of
that because to what you said, I was the same guy.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
I was the exact same guy. But I didn't have
no fallback.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
My whole intentions were to play in the league, and
if I didn't play in the league, hey, I'll have
to figure that out. But I'm giving everything I got
to playing in the league.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
When when was it? When did you figure out like
that the league?

Speaker 1 (08:41):
You could play in this league and not only could
you play, but you could be good, great, and now
a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
When did you know that? How long did it take
you to figure that out?

Speaker 5 (08:54):
I never figured that out. Never, you know, Carl and
I one, I came in highly touted because I got drafted.
I was seventh in the first round in a draft
with six receivers. Tim Brown went in front of me,
Michael Evern went behind me, so there were six of

(09:15):
us in the first round. I never figured it out.
My whole thing was, and I've said this a thousand
times since being selected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
I never wanted anything else when I played football. It
wasn't about the team's success, my success going to the

(09:35):
Pro Bowl. Oh, Jerry's got fifty, Chris Carter's got fifty catches,
I got forty nine. I gotta do. No. I was playing, man,
I was a kid, and I was like, I'm enjoying
every single snap of this. And it's so funny that
you asked that question, because when my career ended, there
was only one person half year that I wasn't playing

(09:57):
football anymore, and that was the doctor. He was the
only person ever was more happy than me that I
wasn't playing anymore, because I was like, I did what
I wanted to do. I didn't ask God to play
for fifteen years. I didn't ask God to win five
Super Bowls. I didn't move the gold posts and say
I want to be a six time All Pro and
a seven time Pro Bowl. No, I just want to play.

(10:19):
And I got a chance to lead the league and
catches my second year in the league. I got to
go to the Pro Bowl with some outstanding talent, and
you get a chance to watch and learn and adapt
and adjust and to steal from those players. I never
figured out what a good player was at my position.

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I knew Jerry Rice was the best I'd ever seen
at my position, but I didn't know. I never figured
out that I was one of them. Never dawned on me.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Okay, so when you get to the Pro Bowl, now
this is me, okay, and I'm trying to figure this
out when you talk about that when you go to
the Pro Bowl and you're looking at the guys that
you're that's at your position, you know. So I'm looking
at the corners and it's nothing but bump and run corners,
and I'm trying to, you know, figure out, you know,

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what do they do, how do they do it? How
does it compare to me? And and for me, like
I was interested in trying to figure out am I
better than that guy? Or or or what so are
you saying to me? Or in that in that spill
there that at the Pro Bowl. In games, it didn't
bother you about the other receivers. You didn't you didn't

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judge them. You just did your thing.

Speaker 5 (11:41):
No, carl I learned when you're an old Georgia farm boy,
when you're working on the farm. My grandfather used to
ask me to say this being a being a military guy.
Carl I said that I say this every day every morning.
This is my life. There are many like it, but
this one is mine. Now I can live my life

(12:01):
your way. I can live my life at least this way.
But am I living my life? And so when I played,
and I'll let you in on some things in my
growth as an NFL receiver, I had technicians, I had philosophers.
I had John Gruten was the first guy to make

(12:25):
me study the other receivers, which was really fine. My
last two years in football. I had John Gruden as
a position coach for two years. My last few years
in football, every route I ran, I was someone else because, Okay,
we're playing Tampa. They played Chris Carter last week, so
you're going to be in the slought a lot look
at Chris and how he runs this route in this route.

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So against Tampa when we played him, I was Chris Carter.
When we played New England, I was Andre Reid work
in the middle. When we played Detroit, I was Michael
Irvin because Dallas had played them the week before. So
I never really learned to study other players until John Gruden.

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And it's funny when I had Buddy, Buddy took me
as high as I could. I went to two Pro
Bowls under him, led the league on I got Sherm Lewis.
I was fortunate enough with my teammates to win the
Triple Crown. With Charm lead the league and catches. I
led the league and catches for John Gruden. They all
took my game to another level. And it was almost

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like when my game the football god said your game
is not gonna get any better. Time for you to go,
because all I wanted to do was play. So I
never really got caught up in the numbers or the
accolades or the actions. And let me tell you, I
never understood how me and you can play on the
same team. We could win the same games, we can
lose the same games. But at the end of the year,

(13:52):
you the MVP. Wait what and then if I tried
to be the MVP. Now I'm selfish. I never I
never liked recognition, and you've known me forever. I still don't.
I never liked recognition because there are too many people

(14:15):
that have to do their jobs. Selmi. I well, for
you to have a successful play offensively, it used to
be four yards was a successful play. You tried to
get somewhere around eight yards for a successful play in
the past game. So I never liked that. So I
never interested myself in numbers. You know, I always was like, Hey,

(14:36):
I'm playing. This is what I'm doing. That's why I
never missed a game. There were times where I probably
shouldn't have played, and I think if I would have
stopped playing against Atlanta when I had the worst severe
ankle injury that of my career, I probably would have
played another five more years. But I didn't pay attention

(14:57):
to what I was there for, and that was to play.
So I love playing football, man, I really did. And
when I got to Pro Bowls, you probably helped me
more because I watched how you guys treated me. You
had been in the league for what four or five

(15:17):
six years, and the way you guys treated me was like,
you know what, man, we had our two battles. You
know what, we played against each other, the home and home.
We're the best of the best in the NFC. We here,
we're gonna enjoy each other. We're gonna enjoy ourselves. My

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first Pro Bow, John Robinson was our head coach. OOP said,
I got a team time in twenty minutes, and I
think our practices, our practice lasted seventeen minutes. And that's
when the Pro Bowl was like the Super Bowl because

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five thousand to the loser and ten thousands of the winter,
and back in those days, you know, pooring was hard
to come by, so you got your head knocked off
in the Pro Bowl and there was no apologies made.
So I enjoyed just just I'll say this just to
end that car. I think the biggest thing I learned

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was you have to learn to follow before you can leave.
And watching you guys and how you did your business
when it was you know, you might be talking to
somebody behind the huddle, but in one on one when
it was time to go or you were locked in.
And when I watched Jerry run a route, Jerry had
just won a Super Bowl, so they had played a

(16:43):
couple of games one week play and he was like,
oh man, I'm so tired and I'm gonna let you
young guys have all these reps. And he did one
on one and he was shot out of a cannon
and I was like, Wow, what that showing me is
is he's letting us know he's the best at what
he does. Now, what does that fit in or does

(17:07):
that affect me? No, it doesn't because I'm my own standard.
And when I was my own as my own standard,
I never failed. Now I could fail being Jerry Rice,
and I could fail being Chris Carter, and I probably
have failed being Andre Reid or Michael Irvin. I ain't
ever failed athletically and being Sterling Sharp, I've always been

(17:28):
a really good like that.

Speaker 7 (17:32):
And and.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
To that Pro Bowl situation and meeting you, My purpose
in getting to know certain people was the guys like
that I played against and guys that I felt like
I enjoyed playing with, and they kind of also gave

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me some kind.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Of a feel like we could be we could be cool.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
So getting to know you was was was like an
easy thing.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
And and but we like hung out the whole time.
But that was like that.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
But but for whatever good that you felt, it was,
you know, you gotta look and and I'm bro I
was a dude coming out of Marshall University. Nobody even
I wasn't even supposed to even be on a team
more or less be in a Pro Bowl.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
You know. I used to say that.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
You're not supposed to agree with beyond that, but but
but I truly truly enjoyed one of that was probably
the best thing the Pro Bowls, probably at least back
in our day, was one of the best ways to
get to know guys, and and I felt like in
that situation we found ourselves and and and and buddied

(18:53):
up and the rest of our career playing against each
other was always.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
Fun that you know, when I said following lead. When
I would watch you guys interacted with each other, it
was never I did this to you, or I'm better
at this than you, And I would always look and
be like, you know what, the older guys just enjoy

(19:17):
being around other guys. I came in the league at
the time where I don't have to show you what
I'm doing and how I'm doing, because I'm going to
tell you what I'm doing and how I'm doing. When
I watched you older guys interacting, the LT's and the
Singletary's and the dent and you know, the Jerry Rice

(19:38):
as John Taylor was on that one of my favorite
receivers to watch. I was amazed at how much respect
not was earned, but was given to everybody that was
in that room. You know, when we were getting dressed
for practice, I'm watching how this offensive lineman with a

(20:01):
redskin helmet is talking to that offensive lineman with a
bare helme, and I'm watching how this defensive back with
a redskin helmet is talking to a dude who plays
in Minnesota, and I was just like, I love that
those guys respect each other's craft. And I don't know
what each one of them did to get here, but

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the thing is is it was enough for them to
get here. And I always and so I tried to
be when I went back the next year, I tried
to be that way with the younger guys, like, hey, man,
enjoy this. Watch Guys. Just pay attention because you're going
to see so much that you may think you know

(20:43):
or want to be, and you're gonna find out that
your best is actually good enough.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Great.

Speaker 5 (20:50):
You know, you don't have to do anymore. You don't
have to be anymore. You don't have to really let
people know how good you are or talk about your
game because those of us who played football, oh, we
know football, we know players. And I've always that's all
I cared about. I wanted a guy to see me.

(21:12):
He's sitting with his son in church and he sees
me and he be like a son. I played against
that guy right there, and he was, Hell, that's all
I've ever wanted to say.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
That's perfect.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
The rest of it I appreciate. I appreciate the Hall
of Fame. I really appreciate being the first brothers in
the pro football now. I really appreciate that. But I
appreciated the guys that saw me play, played with me,
and played against me. I appreciate the things that they

(21:43):
have had and have to say about how I was
as a player and how I played. Again.

Speaker 6 (21:49):
Hey, hey, Sterling, and I just have a quick question
for you. And I'm sure Carl's really going to enjoy
this question because we all know that he is a
closet Packer fan.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
Go, I know, right.

Speaker 6 (22:00):
I mean, I wear my hat because I'm a huge
Packer fan. I didn't know if you knew that, but
I'm a huge, huge Packer fan. And so when I
wear my shirt or my hat, I've been given a
dress code now for podcasts.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
Just so you know.

Speaker 6 (22:11):
But anyway, So you were part of that the Packers
so called rebirth in the nineties, and you played alongside
Brett Farv. You were part of bringing back the traditions
of winning at lambeau Field. Just to just tell us
a little bit about how that felt, well, walk us
through that time period for.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
You, Okay, for me, when I got there, we weren't
really good, right, That's not my job. My job is
not to look out and say we're not very good.
My job is to when we call fifty bandon or
extern z EQS, be where I'm supposed to be, when
I'm supposed to be there. We got better when we

(22:53):
got hope. Yes, when I first got there, I came
in at the tail lind of the old Guard. Whereas
if you made the team in September, you were on
the team all year and guys would do everything they
could to make the team, but you kind of didn't

(23:14):
get that same energy and excitement once they made the team.
When I got Mike Holmgren, two things happened. There was
hope because he brought a system that allowed many of
us to not have to change or adapt who we were.

(23:37):
I don't need motivation to go out and rip calls,
jerseys off, jersey off per text.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
I did that, Yes you did, Yes, you did that.

Speaker 5 (23:46):
I don't. I don't need motivation for that. There was
a play call. I got to get somewhere. He's standing there. Okay,
it's his versus mind. When Mike brought that system, I
got to watch every route that Jerry Rice and John
Taylor ran. But more importantly, I got to see what

(24:10):
the other people got to do. Mike Holmgreen gave me
menership of that system. Mike would ask me during the game, Hey,
what are they doing out there? Coach? You know, they're
doing a lot of the same things. We're getting straight
up bump and run on first down, they're doing a
lot of off I got the safety trying to run
underneath a slant or an out on second down. So

(24:33):
what do you like? And I'm standing there going like, wait, what?
And what I've learned? What I learned from Mike Holmgreen,
and I don't think I've ever said this publicly. I
learned that in leadership you don't have to be out front.
You can be in the back and be the leader.
Because if you're in the back and you're the leader,

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you get to see what everybody else is doing. And Mike,
Mike would give me ownership and would just as a coach,
as a head coach, and he called the place. He
would talk to me like we were standing in line
at Starbucks, and we would be doing this during the game.
I would always sit on the bench for the towel

(25:16):
over my head and enjoy the crowd, because remember, all
I want to do is play. So I would sit
and be like, if I were a fan, what would
that be like? Because I'm not a football fan, but
if I were a fan, I would watch games and
be like, Wow, that was okay? Would I stand to Oh,
I'm gonna spill my beer? I see a guy drop
a hot dog. I'm doing all this during the game,

(25:39):
and Mike Homgern would come over or he would get
on the headset and tell me to get on the phone,
and then he would say, come and stand next to me,
and I would go stand over and he would just
talk to me, just like me and you were talking
right now. So when I got Hope, I got a
really good system. And then I got ownership. And I'm
speaking for me, person know I got ownership of that system.

(26:03):
And I know what Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen felt
in the triangle offense in Chicago. I know what Steph
Curry and kd felt in the triangle system in Golden State.
I know what the late Kobe Bryant felt being in

(26:23):
that system in LA I know what that feels like
when you only have to focus on being yourself. That
alleviates a whole lot of mental gymnastics that slow you
down from being the best player you can be.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
And to that point, bruh, Like Pete Carroll was my coach,
and when he came, you know, prior to him coming,
like they didn't even know really what to do with me.
But then Pete puts us in the bump and run,
teaches us all the steps and punching and all that
kind of stuff. And to your point of whether you

(27:01):
make a mistake or you know, like you like, I learned,
like what the step, the step, the punch, read the
route based on how he's pressing against pressing back up
against me, all of those kinds of little techniques. And
I'm like thinking, well, wait a minute, I kind of
like this, and I think I can I can learn this,

(27:22):
and I could get good at this, and and I
can remember getting beat you know, rarely, especially if we're
playing the Packers, I would be I would I would
go to the sideline and you know, and Pete would
you know, look at you and say, you know.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
What happened, Oh okay, just just fix it.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
And and and in that process he's walking away and
I'm like thinking, well, you know, I was expecting to
get maybe yelled at, or I was looking to get
somebody to start from the beginning and give me the whole.
But but what that what that is is that's you
being accountable.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah, yes, I gave it to you, and now you
have to be the one to do it. And if
you can't make it work.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
I can't do it.

Speaker 5 (28:12):
Yes, yes, And I think.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
That's and see, And I think that is something that
I think coaches today they don't understand. I think they
kind of buy into the idea that my coaching is
going to be the thing that's going to get you
any success and or make us win.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
No, Okay, that player has got to be accounting.

Speaker 5 (28:34):
Let's look at let's let's look at what Kansas City's doing.
You know, Andy Reid was in Green Bay with me.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Oh that's right.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
I don't know all of their new verbic, but I
know most of it. The system, the system Philadelphia. I
don't know all of Philly's calls, but I know most
of it. The system allows you to not have to
change who you What did Jalen Hurts do that that

(29:03):
he did was so different that he did at Alabama
or at Oklahoma nothing. He looks just like the same
guy because the system allows him to play his way confidently.
And so the thing about a mistake is it's only
a mistake if you do it twice. It ain't a

(29:25):
mistake if you do it one time. It's only a mistake.
That's interesting, only a mistake if you do it twice. Now, Carl,
if you play bump and run and you let me
grab the outside of that jersey and yank it down,
and you go over to the referee and be like, bruh,
the play. My shirt wasn't like this when the play started, Lisa,

(29:49):
let me explain.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Let me explain this, Let me explain this play.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
And I know you were yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
I should have This should have been the end of
our relationship.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
Right. So so I'm.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Pressed up against him, you know, and he shakes and like,
and I reached my arm out to punch to get
to his shoulder, and he grabs me and literally like
pulls my jersey like almost over my helmet.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
No, and I'm guessing that was part of the system.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah, that's part of his system. He So he takes off,
it's a great throw. He dies and catch it. I
try to dive. I'm about four yards behind him, I'm
lunging for it.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
He makes the catch.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
I get up and I'm looking at the official and
I'm like, how did my jersey get like this? Because
my whole shoulder pad is showing and he's and you're saying, yes, that's.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Cheeting, Is that Lambeau? Or was this okay?

Speaker 2 (31:00):
I thought it was yeah, So then okay. It makes
it even worse.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
It makes it even worse because you all, because you
all had had the officials.

Speaker 5 (31:11):
You're on the same sideline, that's right. So I was
just like, you know, bro, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
There was no sorry. There was no sorry in that.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
I was thinking it. Bro read the mind. Bro read
the mind. I was thinking it.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Was that's probably the worst play and or for sure
the one play I will never ever ever forget. And
I don't even know if it's just because we're friends
now or just because it was like, how does somebody
do this to me?

Speaker 5 (31:50):
I will tell you that Eric Allen, who is also
a twenty twenty five member of the Pro Football Hall
of Fame, I did it to him too, and he
said the exact same thing you said, mister. My jersey
wasn't like this was to play star.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
But you don't feel you don't feel like no kind
of like like you don't feel bad about this, like
you know, we we well past our game.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
You could say you're sorry?

Speaker 4 (32:19):
Who won the game?

Speaker 5 (32:20):
You know what I'm gonna do? You know where You're
gonna get off the phone a little prayer chare, I'm
gonna pray about it. Okay, I'm gonna feel good.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
You know what he's doing? The Lord, you might be right.

Speaker 5 (32:32):
I'm gonna go with my little prayer chair and I'm
gonna sit down and have a talk. And like I said,
only I'm gonna say.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
But who won the game? Stirling? Who won the game?

Speaker 5 (32:43):
They won the game? Wait a minute, I believe they
won the game. Okay, really I think they won a game.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
You think Carl would remember that?

Speaker 5 (32:52):
No?

Speaker 2 (32:52):
I remember the play?

Speaker 4 (32:53):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Oh no, I don't get you know what. And to
to that, to that question of like who won do
you remember like a lot of games that you won
or lost?

Speaker 5 (33:05):
I don't even like, like I never concerned myself with winning.
That wasn't my job. I mean I didn't. I didn't
bring in this defensive line from Kansas City I didn't
bring you in, this linebacker from Pittsburgh. So I don't
know how you or what they how they are going

(33:27):
to figure into helping us be better than we were
a week ago, a month ago, or a year ago.
I never concerned myself with winning and losing. I couldn't.
I was so giddy that I had fooled them. And
then for another week that I get to play, and

(33:47):
people think that I'm I'm making this up, and I'm like, no,
y'all don't understand. You see when and that's all I
ever wanted to do was play. Now, I don't know
how I'm gonna ave this, but I know I'm on
the right path because I'm playing high school football. I
know I'm on the right path because I'm playing college football. Okay,

(34:10):
now I'm in the NFL. I don't have to stay here.
I don't have to stay here ten years. I don't
have to stay here for twenty years. I guess what.
I just want to play. So if it's if it's
to play for two years, you may say, well your
career was cut short. Well based on who Once again,

(34:33):
this is my life. There are many like it, but
this one is mine and I think where we fall
short as sports fans is we are so quick to
pin my expectations on you. True, and so I don't know.
I used to hear stories about how Jerry trained, and

(34:55):
I would be like that, that's great, But there are days.
There are days in this South Carolina heat and Carl,
you and I used to do my football camp for
the seventy ten years I did it, and we would
work out during lunch and in this South Carolina heat
where it's one hundred and five and one hundred and
fifteen the humidity, and Carl's like, yeah, we're gonna run

(35:16):
eight two hundred. We're gonna run eight hundreds, and we're
gonna run six fishes. And I was like, bro, I
thought the Santa Monica Tract Club was in California what
we do. But I'm like, oh, so this is how
they are training. This is how he's training. Well, if
he's training this way, he ain't training to tackle, he

(35:39):
ain't training to score touchdown. He training so he can
do battle with you. I'm learning something. And so now
I got to watch him and Leroy Butler talk about
how they split and how they're trying to use the
outside hand and bump how they're trying to force you.
So when you start to pick up on, you want

(36:00):
stuff and you have the ability. And when I say ability,
I'm not talking about the skills set. I'm saying just
the ability of going. Oh so that's what you don't
want me to do. Well, my job is to figure
out how to get there. You don't want me inside,
then I got to get there. So it's no longer.
It's a lot less physical and it's more mental. And

(36:23):
I learned so much from football camps talking listening to
these were talking about football pro bols getting an opportunity.
I got a chance to. I think my first autograph
session was in Minnesota because Carl was like, hey man,
you know we have an autograph session up here and
a guy on a Green Bay packer, can you make it?

(36:45):
What do you do at autograph session? You sign autographs? Oh?
Because I never did it, because I never did that,
and in person in Green Bay. I never signed autographs
in person. I never said no because no eliminates options.
I never said no. I always said not right now,

(37:06):
not right now, wow, because no, don't, won't and can't
eliminates options. I never said those words. So I learned
more so how to lead by following. And what I
realized is is by following, I was actually leading. And

(37:29):
it's kind of a weird dynamic. And my brother has
brought this to my attention on several occasions because I
never really taught my brother anything. I never really showed
my brother anything. I never really told him, I think
only two times what he was going to do in
our life. But he was watching, and I never paid

(37:51):
attention to that. So I was so thankful that I
was watching. Based on being a but I would consider
a good follower and learning to follow my grandfather, my grandmother,
my mom did a tremendous job. My mom didn't get
anywhere near the credit by letting us leave Chicago and

(38:12):
go live in Georgia with our grandparents. People don't understand
what that dynamic is like when you get a chance
to get out of the hustle and bustle and get
somewhere slow. Where you got, you didn't have chores, It
was who you were. You know, you had ownership. And
I say that all the time. I'm so glad that
I had ownership. I didn't own any hogs, or any tobacco,

(38:33):
or any corn or any soybeans. But I had ownership
of every one of those fields that we worked in.
And when you have and carl and I used to
have Bible talks all the time. When I would be
in Charleston. We would go to service and come back
and tear the service apart or the lesson or the
message apart. There's a difference between possession and ownership. Yeah,

(38:58):
possession tells you it's yours, but you got to go
take ownership of it. God said it is yours, but
I was laying as yours. All that's yours, But you
got to take possession of it. And I was able
to own my dream. An older gentleman, I will say
this being in the South. I'm not racist, but I
got to say it this way because an older gentleman,
older white gentleman said it. He said hey, and he

(39:22):
added the word boy. He said, hey, you you you
you you you over there at Carolina And I said yes, sir.
And he said, oh, so you you fulfilling your dream?
I said yep. He said you know where to dream is,
don't you. I said, well, you know, I kind of.
He said, a dream is a gift that you give
to yourself and I was able to fulfill mine by

(39:45):
just playing the game of football high school. I played
one year JV. Four years of high school. I was
in college for five, that was in the NFL for seven,
and I got to fulfilled and live my dream. And
I might not have done it the way others would have,
but I did it my way. And when you're your

(40:06):
own standard, you've never failed.

Speaker 6 (40:08):
So, Sterling, you've taught me a new phrase. Not right now,
So that's going to be like that. I'm going to
live by that. I mean, that's perfect, not right now.
It doesn't eliminate the options. That's perfect. Well, I just
want to do a little, you know, play pretend here
and just ask you. I mean, you know there's been
changes to the game that coaches and owners you know

(40:30):
of the NFL have have played a part in ot rules, kickoffs, replay,
assist all those things that they've played a part in
making change. Let's just pretend if you were an owner
or a coach, what would be some of the changes
you would make to the game.

Speaker 5 (40:46):
I would really love to answer that. I'm not sure
that I can, Okay. The reason being is I have
great memories of the way the game was played when
I'm I would relish those rules. I understand the safety

(41:09):
of the game. Let me tell you, the players today
are bigger, they're stronger, and they're faster. The players today
have more access to a system that fits who they
are and what they do than we did. The players
today are better conditioned, They're put in better situations. They're

(41:33):
better prepared than we ever were. I don't want to
change their game because it's their game right now. I
relish the way the rules in what I played, and
I came into the game at I got the last
three years of straight up I don't need to go
to the huddle, bump and run. It's me versus you

(41:56):
for four quarters and you are constantly filing away information.
With the advent of the new spread offense, where we
got run passed options on everything, I think the players
now have to be more, have to be smarter than
they do athletics. In my day, you had to be

(42:17):
athletics and you had to be mentally and I'm not
challenging anyone's mental capacity. You had to be mentally strong.
Because I'm straight up, bump and run on every single
play and we ain't calling nothing. Okay, we ain't calling anything.
I don't want to change the rules of today because

(42:38):
I don't play today. The memories I have of football
are when I played the rules that I played under.
I didn't complain, and I would tell the officials, look,
don't call anything on him, because I'm gonna do so
much stuff to him as gonna have a guy. Don't
call the thing. I would really be not the one

(43:01):
to ask that question because I remember my playing days
and I wouldn't change the ruling. Or I played in
an era where defenses could impose their will on you.
I played in defenses work. I played against defenses where
they made you make decisions. You knew when the play

(43:24):
was called if you were going to make the right
decision or not. They were able to impose their physical
strength on you. Can't do that now, and so it's
a little different now. I don't dislike what little football
I see, but I'm not gonna cheapen their game by

(43:44):
saying my game was better. I just loved the era
in which I played, and that's the memories I have.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
I'm going to take the case, make the case that
it was it was better.

Speaker 5 (43:55):
Back then. Yes, yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Just because of the but and unfortunately. I hate to
say it this way, but the physicality of it and
the way players played, they went out knowing that that
was how the game was gonna be. You you came
into the game and, like you say, like you know
that there's gonna be bumping run the whole game. I
know I got to chase you all day. You know,

(44:20):
I know I'm gonna win. I know I'm gonna lose.
I know there's gonna be a tie, there's gonna you know,
and you you accept that as what the game is today.
I think they're better athletes. I think everything that you said,
I think is exactly right. I just don't know if
they can appreciate what what the game was.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
I think it's your the further back you go.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
But but but that's the thing. They don't have to.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
They don't have to.

Speaker 5 (44:43):
They don't. You're right because when I when I came
in the league, I can't imagine Jim Marshall clothes line
to me just because I'm standing that I'm right, right, right,
And so I I think we as older players have
to be careful because they have made or attempted to

(45:09):
make our game safer. Yes, not for the players playing
right now. But for when they retire and they get
to be my age at sixty, you know, what are
they going through? I loved at two hundred and twenty
four pounds. I was like, you're gonna stand there for
four quarters? Oh this getting ready to be real good.

(45:31):
Wait a minute, I want to see what you look
like after standing there for four quarters. And so now
you know, remember the corners were long, they were big,
they were physical. The safeties were even bigger. So when
you had the force block and you went in and

(45:52):
Joey Browner saw you coming, You're like, well, guess what
the decision is? Broh. The fine print say I got
to come in there. So that's what the fine president.
You know what, man, that was a physical game. Who
you got next week? We got Denver, We got Steve
at Warris, Dennis Fithh never got back. Hey, hey, thank

(46:16):
god we get to go home next week. Who you
got David Foulcher? Oh my god? You got rock at
two sixty? You know. But the thing is is, that's
the is I appreciate. That's what I had to do
to play in that game. That's what my level of
I came into the league going no contact. I actually

(46:38):
like contact. You can't I can't quit on contact being
an old Georgia farm board work. This ain't worked. Work
is when you don't have a shirt on. Work is
when you're standing out there and all you see is
hate and or tobacco. Work. Work is when you doing
it for the family. When you work for the family,

(47:01):
guess what you don't get You don't get paid work.
This here is not work. So I can stand a
Mike singletary. This is a slant. I'm coming in there
and guess what. You can't hit me. You don't have
to tackle me because if you hit me, there's gonna
be a gain of thirty because if you don't make

(47:22):
the tackle, Ronnie Lott certainly ain't making it. Okay. So
that was the mentality that I had, which I love because,
like I said, respect is given. The Bible teaches us that.
I learned to respect everybody that was at that level
because even though it wasn't my journey, everybody went on

(47:44):
a journey to get there, and I appreciate everybody's journey.
I really did.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Sterling. This is producer Matt.

Speaker 7 (47:51):
My family's all from up in Wisconsin, so we're all packers.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Fans, I didn't.

Speaker 5 (47:55):
Really know you are.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
You were in the minority here.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
I love it much.

Speaker 7 (48:01):
So you were talking a little bit ago about when
coach Mike Holmbrin came in and how that kind of
changed and a new system was put in place. I'm
curious that for a couple of years there, you also
got to play with Brett Farv when he took over
his quarterback. In fact, he caught forty five touchdowns from him.
I'm curious what things were like when he took over

(48:23):
his quarterback. Did did that change the way that you
played the game any or what was kind of the
team vibe there.

Speaker 5 (48:31):
No, I'm going to speak for me because I've had
this question before. First of all, when Brett became our quarterback,
he was just another quarterback.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
That's fair.

Speaker 5 (48:40):
He was just another guy. What I love playing with
him was he threw firmer, not harder. He threw firmer.
I played a lot with my back to the defense,
so I played a lot in the middle. You know,
you're running stops and in between linebackers, and skinny scene
means you want to be able to cheat. That's why

(49:03):
I've never been hit in the face. When you can
cheat because you know a ball is not going to
move because it's Wendy and Lambeau. The ball's not going
to move. One of the windier games we played in well,
we played in New York, I think in ninety two
or ninety three, and it was really Wendy and I
caught I think eleven, but I caught eleven because he

(49:26):
could throw it through the wind. And so playing with
you know, I'm going to combine Mike because he brought hope.
When I say hope, he came from San Francisco, you
would be foolish not to know what they accomplished by
the time we got Mike in nineteen ninety two, and
you knew he was calling to play. So he was.

(49:48):
He wasn't the architect of the system, but he was
the architect of what they were doing. And so the
hope was, we're going to score points. We are not
going to lose games seventeen, fourteen, thirteen, ten, nine, seven.
We ain't losing those games. We're not gonna have any

(50:08):
more of those. So he changed that hope. Okay, now
if we're if we can score twenty eight, where does
that put us. We know we're gonna get off, We're
gonna probably score twenty four. Now twenty four in the nineties.
Let me tell you something, not the track that would
attract me tonight. If you're going to score twenty four,

(50:28):
that's attract me. So when when when Mike and Brett
and all of that hope came together, we had to
take off because now you got to look. Reggie White
wants to come play with you. Sean Jones, Sean Jones
wants to come play with you. People don't remember Seawn
Jones in Houston. Sehn Jones was a monster. John Jones

(50:51):
wants to come to Green Bay. You know, I made it.
I always tell a story. If you've seen what love
got to do with it with Phil told said that
he wanted to do a song with Tina. I was like,
I turned it. Yeah, Reggie White want to make a
song when I can see him? Yeah, you know, Sean
Jones want to come to Green Bay and play with
I can Tina. You know. So the hope changed because

(51:16):
now these people want to come to Green Bay and
play football. Green Bay when I first got there was
the NFL graveyard. If you went to Green Bay as
a veteran, your career was over. Laying his simple, short
and sweet, and so all that hope and change kind

(51:36):
of happened at once, and so now you start to
get the free Hey look remember now Charles Woodson came
to green Bay and played. Yeah. You see, when you
start to change the hope and you start to change
the mentality of the players to where not we wish

(51:58):
or we hope we can win, it's like, well, they
are going to score thirty, we just have to give
up twenty nine. We give up twenty nine, we win.
And so all that rush kind of started to flow
into green Bay from about ninety three on until I'll

(52:20):
say ar left a couple of years ago. And so
when you have that, and I think, when I look
at my green Bay Packers, now I'm saying this, I
don't watch a lot of football, but they are two
players away of hope to where they get in the
game against Philly and they're not trying to win or

(52:43):
hoping to win. They go out do what they need
to do. They are two players a way of changing
that mentality, I believe. And I don't know what position
those two players are. I'm just saying that's what I
know because I lived I lived it. Here at South Carolina.
I lived it when I came here. I've lived it
in Green Bay, and I think when you can get that,

(53:04):
we got a Brett Farr. Nobody knew who he was,
what he brought to the table. He was a lot
like me, enjoyed playing football. It wasn't a game. It
wasn't work. It wasn't oh I'm just hey man, hey
Sterre you running the curl? Yeah? I mean you know.
And I've told this story, well, Brett told this story first.
I would have never told this story when his first

(53:27):
when he first came in the game against Cincinnati in
nineteen ninety two, he didn't know the signals. I called
all the players and they couldn't understand. Mike couldn't understand
how I knew the signals. And I wasn't, of course
back beat root. But the thing was, it was so
wonderful to be in that group with Brett and John Mkowski,

(53:52):
Ty Detmer, Mark Brunnell, Kurt Warner. I had Kurt Warner
for a training camp man. Just being around guys like that,
learning and more importantly laughing, because trying to win a
game wasn't a struggle. Trying to win a game was fun.
I mean in the nineties, my last few years playing

(54:12):
foot trying to win a game was fun because we
knew we had a system offensively, We knew we were
building a system defensively. We had Reggie White and Sean Jones,
just to name a few, the right butler in the backfield.
It was just a matter of time before it came together.

(54:33):
And when it came together, you're like, they're gonna be
here for a while now, I mean, this ain't the
one This ain't the one hit wonder. When this comes together,
they gonna be here for a while.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (54:43):
I have one last question for you, Sterling, because we
know you have you're a busy guy.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
You have lots to do.

Speaker 6 (54:51):
Actually, everybody, okay, well we'll let you get ready, We'll
let you well, let's watch Jeopardy.

Speaker 4 (54:59):
Whatever does you have to do?

Speaker 6 (55:00):
But so my question is, I know that after you retired,
you entered the broadcast booth and you were an analyst
for ESPN for a few years, and then you were
also a studio analyst for the NFL network.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Are you still currently doing that? I thought you were,
but maybe not.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
No, I am completely retired. Okay, you guys have bothered me.

Speaker 6 (55:23):
I was just I was going to ask you, so,
did you have any challenges moving from the field to
the broadcast booth?

Speaker 4 (55:31):
But did you find that not at all?

Speaker 5 (55:34):
No, you know, and I don't mean to sound racial,
but I came up in racial times, right. The white
American dream was you go to college, you get your
degree so you can compete for a job. Okay, I
did that. I just happened to play football on the side.
I got my degree. I don't know what I can do,

(55:58):
but you said that this will allow me to knock
on someone's door and say this is what I can
do for your company. To show you how ironic my
life is has been will be. I didn't talk to
the press as a media, and when I played, I
didn't talk to the media. So how did I end
up at ESDN Because it wasn't that I couldn't talk.

(56:23):
I just didn't think that I as a player, as
a young player, I didn't think I was being treated
fairly when you asked me a question, if you say
to me, Carl said that you might have been the
slowest receiver he ever covered. I got to address what
Carl said. You're not asking me about me and my

(56:44):
struggles when I'm dealing with what I'm going through. So
if you come to me and say, my head coach
says that two twenty you're too big to play receiver,
what am I going to say? You don't know what
he's talking about. You know what we need to do
is to get a new head coach up in here.
I'm going to address that. If he said that, then
I guess we need to get on a plane where

(57:06):
we can lose some weights. I just thought it was
unfair to me. If you want to know about me
leading me with someone else's question. That was half of it.
The other half is when I left South Carolina after
training in the heat and understanding what the NFL brought
to the table and what it was, and I was

(57:27):
comfortable in our system, I was like, they're gonna want
to talk to me and I ain't gonna have none
to say. But I never said no. I would always
say not right now, Hey, Starlett, can we talk to you?
Not right now? Guys. I would go get in the
shower and get dressed, and the guys would be like, hey,
can we talk to you not right now? Guys. I
get my car and go home, come back the next day. Hey, Starling,

(57:51):
Kimp not right now. That's how I.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
Love that prase Iver.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
I have heard him say that to a thousand and
people with me and him be together.

Speaker 5 (58:03):
Yeah, yeah, literally. What about my other favorite? How can
you tell a kid no? Well, first of all, I
didn't tell you kid no, and I say no to
my kids. If I could say no to my kids,
it's really easy to tell your kid you're just gonna

(58:24):
have to hang in there.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
See me. At another time, I might say.

Speaker 5 (58:29):
Yes exactly, but no, my my, my NFL career, my
time playing football has been so wonderful, and like I said,
I've made some tremendous friends, and carl Lee and his
wife Donna, and son Dominique and his mom and his
family have been wonderful to me. And the years and
the summers and the springs I would come up to

(58:51):
Charleston when he was coaching at uh AT in Charleston.
There at the school West Virginia State. It was just
so much fun to be around people that loved doing
what they were doing. And it's you know, there's a
lot of people doing a job, but they're not doing
what they want to do. When you're around people who
do what they want to do. It's infectious. You want

(59:13):
to be around that. You want to understand their journey,
and they're walking, you want to go. You know, well,
I don't want to make my walk better. I just
want to know about your walk and how you did
this and how you got here, and you know what
heels and did you have any obstacles and all. I mean,
it was just so, you know, and like Carl, And
I can't even tell you the last time I saw Carl,

(59:33):
But anytime we get on the phone, it's fifteen seconds
is serious, and forty five seconds, forty five minutes the
last you know. It's just that's just the way we are.
And I don't have to talk to him for another
two months, and it's just like I talked to him yesterday.
But that's what I learned about life in sports, is

(59:56):
that if you end up chasing someone else's dream, you
were gonna be a miserable cuss when it's all sit
and doune, and you're gonna feel like you're gonna hate
people for not seeing your career the way you see it.
You're gonna hate people for thinking that. As a matter
of fact, I was in the doctor's office today, and
the guy was like, Hey, can I bring my buddy

(01:00:17):
in here? Who he's just signed in to be a
doctor here. I'm like sure, doctor goes, hey, name the
three greatest game cops. He goes George Rogers, Sidney Wright,
Alexon Jeffert. Then he walked in and sees me and
he goes, Oh my god. I can't believe I why
that's your listen. I can't be mad as your listen.

(01:00:40):
I just want you to know, though, ain't nobody wore
number eighty, nobody wore number two since nineteen eighty seven.
I ain't saying those other guys ain't good that nobody's
worn number two since nineteen eighty. Now George's number is
retired and the number two is retired. Those other guys
are outstanding players. But I like your list. I like

(01:01:05):
your list.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Well, let me let me let us let me close
us out by first, Sterling. I want to I want
to make sure people are are aware if our friendship
has been started on the field but ended up. I
really believe in his opportunity to come to West Virginia

(01:01:27):
State when I was the head coach.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
He brought uniforms home and away. Oh wow, we'd played.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
We played a couple of games down in South Carolina,
or maybe it was in North Carolina, and yeah, we can't. Yes,
so he put us up like the whole hotel bill.
He covered it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:52):
To me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
When you look at that, that told me then if
I didn't know on the field, the fun that we
had on the field, the conversations that we had after that,
if I didn't know he was a friend and a
great friend and a great person, that would have that
That was enough because who does that?

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
You know what I'm saying, and come down?

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
He could have said right now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Exactly. And the guys that that played, you know, snooty,
aren't they?

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
All those guys they what.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
Hollis?

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Yes, I mean those guys remember us. Yes, Hollis was
there too. And all those guys remember that. And and
what I'm proud of is for them they're thinking in
their mind. Man, we met Sterling Shaw, and not only
did we meet him, we became his friend. He became
our friend, and he did all these things for us.

(01:02:57):
He'd show up on the way games anywhere close to
South Carolina, North Carolina, he was gonna show up. He
was going to be at the hotel, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
To aim to an October game at Wesen.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Not gonna do that again.

Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
But yeah, came to a winter.

Speaker 6 (01:03:15):
Day like what, I hope they bought you, like a
yellow jacket, jersey or something.

Speaker 5 (01:03:22):
He said, you know what, Carl that and that had
nothing to do with me or you, because me and
you were both those guys. We were the Siegs man.
We were looking for help. I'm like, you know, I
went from when I was younger, based on how we
grew up and where we came from. I was looking
for a hand and I think based on how I

(01:03:48):
saw our situation or how we saw our situation, that
looking for a hand turned into a handout because that's
what we need. And we went from a handout to
a hand And I didn't have to bow or had
to promise or you know, if I ever, I don't
have to do that. I'm like, look, somebody asked me

(01:04:09):
for help. I'm helping. Now. I might not be able
to help the way you won't, but I'm gonna help.
And I just think that is a direct result in
how we were raised. That's a direct result of the
people that were in my life. As like I said,
when I was following. I got a chance to follow
some tremendous leaders who did not lead from the front.

(01:04:30):
I wish young people would stop believing that to be
a leader, you gotta yell the loudest, you got to
run the fastest, or you got to lift the most weights.
You don't get to pick and choose when you're gonna
be a leader. You can't be a leader if you're
flunking algebra. It's not possible. It don't work that way, Carl,

(01:04:50):
be a leader if you're not going to listen to
your parents, Okay, don't work that way. You can't be
a leader if you can't lead devotional service on Sunday
at your church. You don't get to pick and choose
when you're going to be a leader. You either are
or you are acting.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
I like it.

Speaker 5 (01:05:10):
There are many like it, but this one is yours.
And a lot of people have possessed have ownership. They
just don't take possession of their own line.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Well, Brad, we I truly, truly, truly appreciate you coming
on and.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
Uh, thank you so much and we'll catch up again.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:05:31):
Hey, Uh, As a matter of fact, I need to
get that some of that money back I'm glad you
brought that up. There's a couple of hotel bills I'm
gonna need right now. You know, I didn't I didn't
want to say anything publicly, but you're trying to rush
me off.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
The phone, ready to be in the mail. It's in
the mail.

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
Yeah, thank you for having me on a play. All right,
all right, great night.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna close out Lisa.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
I mean, I don't know what else we could say.

Speaker 6 (01:06:09):
I mean, that's an amazing soul right there. Yes, it
is the whole story.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
All right. We will get back with you again next week.

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