March 20, 2025 • 55 mins
In this episode of Let's Talk with Carl Lee, we begin with an insightful conversation with Bo Miller, head coach of the Spring Valley girls' basketball team, discussing their recent state championship victory and the strategies behind their success. In the latter segment, Carl, Hollis, and Lisa delve into the controversy surrounding West Virginia University's exclusion from the NCAA Tournament, highlighting Governor Patrick Morrisey's announcement of an investigation into the NCAA selection process, citing potential biases and lack of transparency. The discussion also touches on the broader implications for college athletics and the pursuit of fairness in sports.
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Speaker 5 (00:46):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen. This is Carlee with Let's Talk.
And I have my two co hosts in the building today.
Hollis Lewis, Hello, Hello, Lisa.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Odie is here.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Hello, and we are we are looking forward to a
really good show tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
We have we have the coach from Spring.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Valley that and and I want to say this just
so everybody knows I'm not Everybody knows that I'm not
really a basketball kind of guy.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Not that I don't like it. I just I wasn't
very good at it. But going to to the Spring
Valley game, the girls game, Yes, the girls game.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
Yes, I didn't pass.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah. Whatever.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
One of the interesting things that I that I saw
in the game was I loved the way that team
worked like they passed the ball and I was I was,
I was like amazing, I'm I'm tapping holes. I'm like, man,
watch the way they you know, how many times do
they pass the ball before they take a shot. And
it didn't look selfish. It looked team oriented. It just
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looked so good and it impressed me so much. I
was like, man, we need to get we need to
get the coach on, you know, so without further ado,
we will bring in a coach and uh, I don't
know if he got to hear all of that information that.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
We coach bow Miller in Spring Valley.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Coach, I just want to I just want to take
my hat off because I would tell you right now
I would love to play on a team that you coached.
And I am curious to figure out is it was
it just a.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Combination of the right mix of girls.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
And the right system that you guys were able to
literally teamwork. To me, I felt your teamwork beat beat
the team like I mean, I think y'all just won
the game.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Solely on just teamwork.
Speaker 7 (02:52):
That's what basketball supposed to be, isn't it all five
girls playing as one?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You know, that's what that's what you think.
Speaker 8 (02:57):
Anyway, we need to hit you up with the NBA.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
With that question.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
Coach, let me exactly that was going to be.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
When you look at when you look at professional basketball
or maybe even college basketball.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
And I don't know if this is a tough question
for you or not.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Do you see it like the way that because it
doesn't look like the way that you're coaching it or
the way that your young ladies are playing it. It
just it looks perfect the way your kids are playing it.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
We like to model ourselves after the European way of
playing basketball. That's where we get all our a lot
of our stuff from, yeah and the DC basketball.
Speaker 9 (03:35):
And just to let the audience know, Spring Valley girls
they won the Quad A championship against Morgantown this past Sunday. Coach,
and we're talking to coach bau Miller. You were twenty
three and two this year and you've been in the
mix the last couple of years. What picked this team
over the hump?
Speaker 7 (03:55):
Well, I think we came back with a big chip
on our shoulder for underachieved last year. All the girls
thought last year should have been our year, and we
got up here and moved ov a lay the egg
that first night, you know, and they at that after that,
they you know, put in the work and the time
they do have to sacrifice their own skills and their
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own personal goals for that one team goal. That's what
they all strive for this year.
Speaker 8 (04:20):
Awesome, that's awesome. Hi, coach, this is Lisa Odie. Thanks
for being on the show tonight.
Speaker 7 (04:25):
Oh, thanks for having me.
Speaker 8 (04:26):
Hey, So I have a question and you guys just
coming off that fresh championship and the and the the
girls basketball tournament. Something that they're talking about is the teamwork.
Unfortunately I couldn't be there to witness it, but I
have seen some clips. So how do you assess the
strengths and weaknesses of opposing teams? You know, when you're
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developing a game plan for like a championship game.
Speaker 7 (04:50):
Oh, it's a lot of scouting, a lot of filmwork.
We played Morgantown earlier in the year, so we had
already scouted them several times, so a lot of preparation
goes into it.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
Yeah. Oh, I was just going to add to it.
Speaker 8 (05:04):
So, and are there any times that you kind of
have to, like to adjust your strategies when you see
something that you weren't expecting from the other team.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
How do you handle that during a game?
Speaker 7 (05:14):
Well, our girls are pretty pretty basketball smart. Wow, So
we have to make an adjustment to the game. It's
usually just a time out and you know, we have
to write it down to show them. Sure, you get
them more exact how to go, but once they figured
it out, it's it's pretty good. Our girls are pretty.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
Smart and talented.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
And specifically with the game.
Speaker 9 (05:33):
You know, Morgantown has some very skilled athletes as far
as on that team, you had Jones, you had Killogg,
you know, a couple of the girls they are the
you know, the daughters of w VU men's and women's
basketball coach. So in trying to, you know, as Lisa mentioned,
develop a game plan to stop those skilled athletes. What
what what thought went into that?
Speaker 7 (05:53):
Well, I'm really glad that the job in Indiana his
thought about four or three against us. But yeah, I
mean we knew coming in that Killogg and Jones would
try to take over the game and we just try
to take away their strengths and kellogg strengths was getting
to the basket, and Jones's strengths is going to.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
That left block, yep.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
And we just we just sit on her left hand
the whole game. And Drea Parker did not hardly get
off her left hand the whole game. And then Sophie
Hutchison just you know, kept kell all out in front
of where to get to the rim, and her game
is getting to the rim one of the foul line.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
And and when you when you're doing when, when you're
crafting that kind of a scouting report for a team,
when when did you look at when did you look
at it and say, oh, gosh, this is really working,
Like this is like this is this is gonna this
is really hurting them, because to me, it looked like
they were struggling, and you know, it was like almost
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one on one type of situations.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Every time the ball got on their end of the court.
Speaker 7 (06:58):
Well as it helped and we picked. You know, our
post player usually doesn't really guard the other team's post player.
She kind of just plays in the lane. And if
that girl's not making shots, it makes our defense look
a lot better. When she could just stand in there
and that just happened to be that day that girl
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didn't make any shots, so she could stand there and
she was helping every time those girls would get to
the lane, just clogging everything up.
Speaker 9 (07:26):
And speaking of that postplayer, I believe her first name
is Ali, number thirty four. I mean, she has such
a Daniels, Ali Daniels. She has such a great game.
I mean, to me, she was the MVP. I mean,
I believe she had a double double. I mean she
was making shots, she was getting rebounds, she was passing
the ball, setting screens, she was doing just a little
bit of everything for you guys on Sunday. So could
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you just tell us a little bit more about her.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
Well, she's a double double Machine's she's got over a
thousand points and a thousand rebounds in our skin four years.
And that's you know, no man in our school has
ever done that, and that's really a huge accomplishment. And uh,
it's just every game she's a rebounding machine. She may
not always get double points, but her rebounds are. She's
had twenty five this year, maybe twice, and wow, it's
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every night of its every night's double double in rebounds.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And I know.
Speaker 9 (08:18):
That's one thing that we've talked about and watching specifically
women's basketball over the past year is just that I
love it because it's not always pretty, but it's always gritty.
Women's basketball, to me is just what it just looks
like the basketball at least that I grew up with.
And you girls are scraping there. They're they're really, for
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lack of better words, going hard in the paint.
Speaker 7 (08:43):
Well that's what we're hoping it is. Anyway. I like
the basketball old. I'm not such a big fan of
this new basketball they've set up there. Just chuck up
threes all day.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
I'm not in a yeah, and for me and for
me not to be a basketball player or even really
necessarily a great basketball fan, I can't watch men's basketball
because they're just shooting. And I loved like, I'm I'm
nudgeing Hollys all the whole game, just like, hey, did
you see that? Because it was just like what I
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love about it. What I absolutely love about.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
The women's game is they go hard from beginning to end.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
And one thing about our team, we do go hard.
It starts with Sophie Hutchinson. She is like, you know,
a Tasmanian devil up there. She goes hard the whole
game and gets everybody else scored.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
That's amazing anybody got anything.
Speaker 8 (09:35):
I was just gonna say so, so, coach, how did
you guys celebrate the big win as a team.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
Did you guys do anything special?
Speaker 7 (09:43):
Well, we never won once. Were we really didn't have
to celebrate, and.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
I like it.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
I mean we stopped and got something that we you know,
we haven't really done anything big yet. We're up here,
our boys are playing the night record. Okay, she'll probably
have a big cilbrace somewhere.
Speaker 9 (10:02):
And speaking of that, I mean, you guys could probably
have a County celebration because not only does Spring Valley win,
but Wayne, when I believe the double A championship, so
you guys the three.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
A championship, you want the quality championship.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
You guys did a clean so you might have a
joint parade with everybody.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
The boys went out crazy.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
Yeah, Wayne, County is celebrating this week.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Because we just wanted to reach out to you, just
give you your props and just to celebrate it. So
we appreciate you coming on and we'll be in touch
with you again.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Well I appreciate that, all right, Guys, like, at least
I'm going to say this since you didn't get to
see the game.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I was like, I.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Felt like a kid, Like I felt like maybe like
I was at a super Bowl or something like that.
Like I was like like totally enjoying what I was watching.
I mean, it was it just it like opened my eyes.
And I don't know, Hollis is probably comfortable with it.
He's probably used to it. He goes to more games
than probably that I do. But I was, I was.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Totally impressed with them.
Speaker 9 (11:13):
I mean, the women's game to me is just like
it's just I think we're at a space now where
we can really appreciate it, and I think that it's
separated itself from the men's game. Again, when I say that,
I don't necessarily mean good or worse. I just mean
it's a different game. It's not women's basketball, women's sports
in general. They are no longer trying to mimic the men.
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They're they're in into themselves. They have their brand, in
their brand, in their lane, and they're playing their game.
So it's definitely something that I enjoy at all of them.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
And it's refreshing.
Speaker 8 (11:45):
It's not something that you see, like you said, with
the men's basketball, you know, the NBA and their style
of play, it's not, you know, so much the emphasis
on the three pointer. It's about the teamwork, the passing,
the whole, you know, just the year planning that goes
into the place from the coach and from the girls.
I mean, it's not just go out there and throw
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up three pointers and see what happens.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
And you look at you know, you look at the
three point shot as the new normal shot.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Right, these girls worked, they didn't work.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
You know, you can just stand out there by the
three point like they're cutting to the basket and and
and getting passes, layups and all of that.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
That's old school basketball.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
And that's designed play.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
It's a design play. It's like you gotta play. Do
you even think that in the NBA there's actually a
play can get all the way through?
Speaker 9 (12:40):
I would say so, and and just and again I
wouldn't necessarily even call it. I know we're saying old school,
but I just it's just like it's just watchable. It's
just to the viewers, it's a better watchable game than
I think what's being presented at some different line.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
Requires more discipline too, don't you a.
Speaker 9 (12:55):
Little bit more? Like I said, this is a total
team thing. It's it's it's a team and ya right right?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I like that lista.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
I like that term discipline because when you call us,
when you're talking about like teamwork, that discipline has to
come into teamwork because the moment that you get in
your own in your own lane, you're taking the shot,
I'm not passing it, I'm not finishing the play. I'm
just gonna take my shot every time I get.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
The ball, you know. So, So all right, so I have.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
That right. It's been an interesting week in West Virginia.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yes it has.
Speaker 9 (13:31):
Okay, So well let's set it up because, for those
who don't know West Virginia WVU men's basketball, the pick
the tournament teams were picked on selection Sunday, and WVU
and a lot of people's mind got snubbed for UNC
Tar Hills. So again WVU didn't make the tournament. They've
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getting invited to the n I t they didn't choose
to go. So I'll and I'll kick it off from there.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
All right.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
First, I'm again I'm gonna I'm gonna touch turning down
any post season.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Well, yeah, we'll talk about that later. Let's getta talk
to the beat.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
First.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
You gonna play the cliff, Yeah to click. All right,
let's play the clip and then we'll come back. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (14:15):
In all seriousness, Uh, it's embarrassing for an elected official
to take the position that he's taken, you know, literally
calling for an investigation. You could complain, and he has
legitimacy with his complaints, but to go this far and
to really really try to force an investigation, it's utterly ridiculous.
It's childish, and you would like to think our elected
officials have something better to do with their time on
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behalf of their consent they don't see than something of
this magnitude. Clearly he does not. The bottom line is
they were nineteen and thirteen, they were ten and ten
in their own conference, and when they went into the
Big twelve tournament, they lost the very first game of
the tournament to last place Colorado. You know, there there
is is a rare occasion when it is justified to
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tell a politician sit your ass down. This is one
of those situations. Sit your ass down. This is not
something at warrant an investigation.
Speaker 9 (15:10):
All right, Oh, that's a lot. Okay, So what do
you want to start with. I don't know where to.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Let's start with the actual press conference, because let's just
picture this.
Speaker 8 (15:21):
And I don't know if people actually saw the press conference,
but there was a sign on the podium that literally
said National Corrupt Athletic Association. Yes, this was the part
of their news conference, Pat moo and the AG McCuskey,
and basically what they said it was. And I'm not
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making judgment. I'm stating facts right now. Okay, no judgment,
no judgment. Okay, try not to judge anyway. But it
was almost like out of a dramatic play, the things
that Morris that came out of Patrick or not Patrick
Patrick Morrisey's mouth, the things he said. This is this
is an actual verbatim quote, okay, part of the part
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of the presser. West Virginia deserved to be in attorney
and this was a miscarriage of justice and robbery at
the highest levels. Yeah, okay. They stopped short of saying
they would foul an actual law suit, but they were
asking for information. That's what Stephen A. Smith is referring to.
And what do you guys think.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Well, okay, so here's the thing, all right, Now again
I think that serious and again serious, WU we could
it's it's a debatable question as to whether they deserve
that slot over the Tar Hills in light of the
ad of the Tar Hills being on the selection committee,
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which I will talk about later. That's a problematic in
and so again, so again, you as the head of state, you,
as the head of the governor of the state of
West Virginia. He should have said he was disappointed, He
should have should have said all the things that somebody
in his position should say in this circumstances. Now you
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calling a press conference, you quote unquote launching an investigation
in light of all the plethor problems that the State
of West Virginia currently faces.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Is it's not it's not just make a tweet. Do
you even have to do that?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I think you do? You definitely do do you definitely?
Speaker 8 (17:35):
Do you remember other governors ever doing We've been left
out of tournaments, Marshall or WBU.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
And it's happened in the past. It's not anything new.
I mean, it's happened.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
You're right, But if to the point, if you decide
you're going to say something, yeah, right to me, like
state Fox that are that are unquestionable. Look at your record,
look at look at the numbers.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Right now, again, I get the whole North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
You got to coach on the on the selection committee,
blah blah blah blah, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
But really, like, why would you come out like why
would you?
Speaker 5 (18:18):
I would want to say I'm disappointed because we did
not we were not part of and and leave it
at that.
Speaker 9 (18:26):
What investigation are you going to do? And that's the part.
It's great politics. So you come out and you say, oh,
I'm disappointed we should have got in. This is unfair.
And again I've had my criticisms, went n Cuba, I've
had my criticism. Everybody has right, but you don't go that.
You're talking about lawsuits, investigations. We got stuff we need
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to handle here. We ain't got time for that.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Right now.
Speaker 9 (18:49):
You come out, you say what you got to say,
then you move bout today or heck, you ain't even
got to say that, make a tweet and move on.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
I mean, and let's be factual about this part too.
And Stephen A.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
Smith emphasize this and I agree with him totally on
this part. I mean, I do feel like there were
the quad wins when you know the comparison and quad
winds are basically when you beat a ranked team and
you get so and some people may not know That's
why I'm throwing it out there, but you get so
many points for if you beat the team at home
or if you beat them on a neutral court, which
I didn't realize this, and there's differences in point points
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given for.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Where they play where they achieved the victory.
Speaker 8 (19:22):
But what I'm saying is I know that there were
differences large that there were huge discrepancies between the quad
wins with North Carolina and West Virginia. I think North
Carolina only had like one in West Virginia had like
six out of ten.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
I get that.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
But the dagger that the dagger in everything was when
they went to the Big twelve tournament. They had a
buy and they lose to the last place team. You
just don't do that, especially when you're a Targill.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
But the tar Hills didn't win that tournament.
Speaker 9 (19:50):
The Duke, yeah, they lost like the first did they
make the championship game?
Speaker 6 (19:55):
I think I don't know how far they got. They
did lose. The Duke won it didn't when no win.
Speaker 8 (20:02):
Okay, so that's a difference, like they they West Virginia
lost in Colorado. I mean that that is that's and
plus the way they were playing at the end of
the season was not stellar. I mean they were losing
games and they just didn't look like the same team
as they did at.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
The beginning of the year when they were beating quad teams.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Let me, let me, let me, let me ask this question. Okay,
Let's just say that he is. Everything that he's stating
is correct.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Everything that he's saying the coach for w U is
but everything that he's saying somebody, the governor, I mean
the governor government.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Everything that the governor is saying is legit. Okay, it's
legit and it's and it's meaningful.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
The question I ask is when has it, like when where.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
What prompted you to think that this would be something
that you should come out with and see. I'd be
okay if the if the coach said it, I'd be
okay if.
Speaker 9 (20:57):
They said, here's the thing, though, what he said is
gonna have legs with some people. In light of the
North Carolina tar Hills, a d being on the selection committee.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
And and and.
Speaker 9 (21:14):
Receiving a bonus for them getting in and them getting
in directly over w You see, I'm saying like he's
playing politics here because some people are gonna that he's
talking to his base. He's not talking to necessarily me
and you, because talking to his base and his base
is gonna cheer that on, particularly when they find out
that the u n c's AD is in network quote
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unquote in the room, out the room. And that brings
me to my other point. Why are ads on the
selection committy? And what I'm saying you give credence to
everything he just said in some people's mind, Why why
isn't there a selection committee? Third party non ex excuse me, directly,
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non affiliate because you might be an alumni somewhere, but
you're not currently affiliated in a significant manner with the
athletic program that can currently get in or get out
of the tournament. It should be a total board, a
body that's no affiliated directly because everything he said is
some people's mind is gonna be like he is one
hundred percent right.
Speaker 8 (22:16):
But the next question is, and I think you're right,
but I mean the next question is who would be
on the committee who would you bring in to judge
who gets in the tournament, because then they're going to argue, well,
they don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
They're not former players, former coaches, just.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
But they're still you're still alumni.
Speaker 9 (22:34):
Saying somebody who's not actively getting paid. Yeah, okay, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
And what's interesting to me about this and and my
argument with most of these.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Sports decision making processes, you don't know who's on the board,
you know what I'm saying, Like, in most cases, you
don't even know who's actually.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
On these boards who are making these decisions.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
I think, and again, I would want an open I'd
want to know who's on the board, who's making these votes,
who's gonna make these decisions.
Speaker 9 (23:07):
Well, I think I think college football does it good
because we know who's on the board, and they start
having these discussions the seasons winding. Now to your point,
it needs to be an open process and we need
to start tracking like, Okay, this week is this week,
this week is this discussion, this week that week, and
we can go from at least the middle of the
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season all the way to selection Sunday to we already
kind of have an idea of how they're thinking about it. Well,
I was gonna say yes to your to your point,
I think, as you look at this, this should be
something that everybody it's kind of almost visible who's gonna
be picked because of this, Because.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Of that they won this game, they lost this game,
they're gonna be out. I think everybody ought to be
able to sit and at home if you choose to
follow your team and then try to figure out, Okay,
they're not gonna get.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
In what they gonna get it.
Speaker 9 (23:59):
I think I think we kind of got that with
the quad ones and all that sort of thing. The
problem is is that the people in the room are
too tied to the teams that can be chosen or not.
You don't need to be the ad of making decision.
You don't need to be ad of a university making
a decision. You don't.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
I totally agree with that, but also you need to
It's kind of like what we've talked about before. You
don't let referees win or lose a game for you.
You basically need to go out there and win a
couple of games in the Big twelve.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
And they're in.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
I mean, they kind of had their own fate in
their hands. I mean, they shouldn't have come down to
whether or not North Carolina had more quad wins or
less wins or they're you know, if they would have
put a better body of work out there, maybe winning
at least I guarantee if they'd won at least two
of the Big twelve check conference championship games, they would
have been in hands down.
Speaker 9 (24:49):
But some people would say in spite of that, they
still had a better resume than U and C.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Some people would argue.
Speaker 8 (24:55):
Well, and then the other argument was that the injury
to the one player, Oh shoot our son, I think
he's been out. Yeah, So that that was something that
they threw into the mix as well, saying well he's
out hurt, and that changed the whole dynamic of the team.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
So, I don't know. I mean, it's just it's so complex,
there's so many layers to this.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
It's it's just been great and then they end up losing,
they end up losing their coach, well and Andiana, so
that the other.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, Hollid, I'm gonna ask you this question.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
In these types of whether it's whether it's tournament stuff,
all star stuff, shouldn't it be shouldn't every pick, every
decision be something that the public should see, should hear,
should know you should hear the conversation between someone somewhere,
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some form of the conversation, some form of who voted
for who you see.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I'm saying like like.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Like it's it seems like we accountability, accountability for these
decisions that people are making, especially when it's judgmental.
Speaker 9 (26:06):
Yes, is like the legislative. If you want to, you
can see all our votes. You can see exactly how
we voted on everything. So yes, to answer your question,
one hundred percent, it should one hundred percent be like that.
And I would add to what you're saying, it also
should be individuals who are reasonably objective, who aren't directly tied.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
To a specific school.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
So should.
Speaker 9 (26:30):
Definitely a record like you voted for this team, you
voted for that team. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
And and to to your point, like if if there's
a record, and every time I voted for Marshall, you.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Can't, you can't be on the committee.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
You can't, you're off, you're out.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
And I think that I think that there's a reality
to that of you kind of gotta you kind of
gotta get folks that are unaffiliated with.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
Schools.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (27:00):
But but but even to your point, even if you're
not unaffiliated, and we can clearly see your voting record,
particularly if you've been on this door for you know,
five years or whatever, we clearly see your pattern of voting,
then we we then we know how you are thinking
the Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
And to that point, how many times was your team
in there and you didn't vote for them? I think
that's that's true, you know, cause you you you know,
if my team ain't in there, I can be good.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (27:27):
But and then and then he tried to say, like,
and we're talking about the ad of the Tar Hills.
He tried to say that, you know, he left the room,
and I'm like, bro, you can you can whip votes
that don't really that don't move me.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
I thinking that you're gonna vote. When I come back in,
I'm like looking at you, like are we good?
Speaker 6 (27:44):
That was at our text conversation. You said, you know
he could whip the vote.
Speaker 8 (27:47):
Now I said, he's whipping all the way to the
bank now with that bonus he got. But yeah, it's
just that's been a complex I don't know's there's so
many facets to this, and I guess then the question
now is do you think how bears coming back?
Speaker 9 (28:01):
That's the question because I know Wu's coach went to Indiana.
That's a dream job. You can't turn it down. So
I don't think anybody can begrudge him for doing that.
I think people are I don't see how. I mean,
he's a mid West guy.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
Well, I think not just that part of it.
Speaker 8 (28:15):
I think that they feel like maybe he's had leanings
of leaving all season long, and that maybe you know,
he red shirted his son knowing that he's going to
be going to Indiana or I think it was Iowa at.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
One point, right, Yeah, I think he's from Iowa. Yeah, yeah,
I don't like. I don't like how all that sounds.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
But yeah, you gotta go. I mean, yeah, yeah, you know,
it is what it is.
Speaker 9 (28:35):
But it's like, if you get a chance to coach
Notre Dame or USC you're a football guy, you got
to you got to go.
Speaker 8 (28:41):
But I think that's why, you know, the joke on
on social media has been you got you got huffed.
Oh sorry, you got huffed, because that's what happened to Marshall. Basically,
you know he left for a job that you know
he felt like would be better.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
He didn't have the success of huffing.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
No, no, You're all right, ladies.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
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Speaker 2 (29:59):
Now, all right, so I have made it very clear for.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Every opportunity I've had to be on radio, television, interview
or whatever, I am.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I am not a Kirk Cousins fan.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
He's a hater.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Somebody actually might actually feel that I am actually a hater.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Okay, I don't really want to consider myself a hater.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
But I've seen this on on Facebook the other day,
and it's the pay that Kirk Cousins has has made
over his career, and they say it is comparable to
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Tom Brady more it may it may be more.
Speaker 9 (30:56):
He's got a guarantee and it's in Kirk cousins career.
I believe it's a guaranteed money. This isn't outside, but
it's just just guarantee.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Go ahead and read. You got it.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Okay, you got it. So twenty twelve, give us the total, Well,
I'm gonna give you that. I'm gonna give you the total.
He had a four year rookie deal. They didn't specify
how much that was. Okay, Okay, twenty sixteen nineteen point
nine million fully guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, we're just talking guaranteed money.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
Yeah, yeah, twenty or twenty seventeen, twenty three point nine
fully guaranteed. Now this is from sixteen to seventeen, all
right now, eighteen eighty four million fully guaranteed, twenty twenty
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sixty six fully guaranteed, twenty twenty two, thirty five.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
Fully guaranteed, unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
Twenty two, twenty four, one hundred and fifty with one
hundred fully guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
And he just got ten million last week.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
That's millions, millions of dollars. What's the total career forty
one million through twenty twenty seven, three hundred and twenty
nine of that has been fully guaranteed for three hundred
and twenty nine million, And I think you got to
add ten on to that because yeah.
Speaker 8 (32:26):
He's got a brother, he's got an agent, he's got
like an Inny given Sunday, Tom Cruise shoving the money agent.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
So what's the caveat what's the caveat to all that that?
Tom Braden? No, No, no, what's the caveat to all that?
He won?
Speaker 11 (32:39):
What?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
How many playoff games? One? How many Super Bowls?
Speaker 4 (32:42):
None?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
How many conference championships.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
None, Player of the Year none, Tom rated quarterback. No,
he won one playoff game and he got a guarantee?
Is a three hundred and plus one?
Speaker 6 (33:00):
What in the world? How is this possible? How is
it possible?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I want to make it clear. Lease do that. I've
played a very long time.
Speaker 9 (33:10):
See that's what he went back pay, that's what he
want playing the game.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
And and and I'm and I'm looking at a dude who.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Can't take his team. He can't. He's not a.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
He's with the Falcons right now, right, Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 9 (33:32):
They were looking to moving before they for the guaranteed
kicked in, for the bonus kicked in, they had to
pay him the ten and I think they're still gonna
end up trading.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
My question is is why what did you see? Filmwork
is a major thing in professional sports.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Who's not looking at the field because but I'll tell
you this why. Here's why. Here's what's telling me. Here's why.
Speaker 9 (33:56):
Number one quarterback is an ever increasingly difficult position to
play in sports. It is, I believe, and Kirk Cousins
is serviceable and he's a company guy. You're not going
to have to worry about Kirk Cousins causing those storm.
His teammates love him, and he can be a guy
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in spite of whatever he lacks that can just help
you because he had some winning seasons in there. Again,
nothing crazy when he's and I'm talking regular seasons, but
he's a guy who can win small games, come in
and get you over the hump why you're either developing
or finding a quarterback. Well, and again, when you look
at guys like Cam Newton, these aren't good company guys.
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We could throw Cousins out there. He's gonna smiles, got
the family. He's a company man and that's why he
has that. And again, timing has been perfect for him too,
because those spots where he had those good seasons, he
was able to leverage that for some of them big
contracts that you just mentioned, leverage it by what win
in some regular season games.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Babe.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
I can remember going in I remember I can remember
going in for a contract with with with Mike Lynn
rest his soul, knowing that this is going to be
a difficult thing.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Now I've got I've got some crack, I got some
accolades behind me.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
And there was not even like that had nothing to
do with where he was. That had nothing to do
with what.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
It's a different time. You can't pre pay that, yes,
I can. You can't. You ain't let me did it? Okay? Okay?
And so I understand.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
I understand the reality of what it, what it takes,
what it what it takes to get to those kinds
of money situations for me to get to the money
that I saw that somebody else was making that I
felt like I wanted to make. You had to perform,
and performance for me had to be interceptions, you know,
(35:58):
getting all conference stuff, all that kind of stuff. All
those things matter, Okay. And and I'm trying to figure
out what are they viewing for Kirk Cousins because he's
got one playoff win. Yeah, and he hasn't been player
(36:19):
of the year, he hasn't been quarterback of the year.
Speaker 8 (36:23):
I think now they do want to get out of
the contract, correct, because there's been some controversy.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I mean, how'd you get in it?
Speaker 6 (36:31):
I mean, I totally agree with I don't know how
that even I don't know how.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
I told you how he got in it.
Speaker 9 (36:37):
Again, there's not a lot of good quarterbacks in the
NFL or on the NFL level. I'll say, there's not
just a plethor guy. It's not like you can just
go and just find a guy. This ain't that for
that money.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
There's a whole lot of guys who are playing somewhere
else that that's contract is up that you can throw
that at and you and you're throwing it as a guarantee.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
And they're going to do him. I don't how can
you say that because to me, I don't know.
Speaker 9 (37:07):
But he's got you. What I'm saying is like we
we the one playoff win. Yes, but he's gotten teams
to the playoffs, and I think that's what they're counting.
They're looking, Okay, he's pitting us in the mix. He
winning once we get there. But any's serviceable and we
talked about that before that. That's part of the resume.
The playoffs. It doesn't matter if you win.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah, because it's just not a lot of guys out
there who can do this.
Speaker 8 (37:30):
Teams like the Falcons, I mean they that's that's their
goal to make the playoffs, to make a wild card.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
They're not in the mix a lot. Well, it's been
a minute.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
I think coach is taking this person. Is he it's personal?
Speaker 5 (37:44):
Maybe maybe because because again I'm trying to think of
like a number of quarterbacks that well, let's just say this,
how can he be close to Tom Brady?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
How is it?
Speaker 5 (38:02):
How could his money money for any for any reason
that you all.
Speaker 6 (38:07):
Have made it. He's just got the better agent. I'm
telling you.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I'm trying to figure out, like, what are the g
got thinking? What are that?
Speaker 11 (38:14):
What?
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Like? Oh, this is the guy?
Speaker 9 (38:16):
Because i mean, let's look at his record. Right, he's
twenty fifteen, He's nine and seven with the Commanders. He
was able to leverage that. Then they go they have
ninety seven ninety seven, and you got leverage with a
team who you gotta remember twenty fifteen the Commanders were
an awful franchise with Snyder and all them. Right, So,
and he has a couple more mediocre seasons with Washington
(38:39):
in Minnesota than in twenty nineteen. He's ten and five
mint with Minnesota. Then twenty twenty two is thirteen and
four with Minnesota. So I'm saying what he was Remember
what year was that with Minnesota?
Speaker 5 (38:52):
Of sixteen, nineteen and twenty two, nineteen and twenty two,
so nineteen, so look at the year after that probably,
so look at forty six million.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
So what I'm saying, so, is he sixty did he
improve sixty six million guaranteed?
Speaker 9 (39:08):
No, The answer is no, and I'm not justifying that.
But what I'm saying is like he had leverage. He
showed some glimbers of hope and they was like, well, wow,
maybe we could do something with that. And he made
the playoffs in twenty twelve, in twenty fifteen, twenty nineteen,
in twenty twenty two, so he had four playoffs.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
He seasons.
Speaker 6 (39:30):
He's not stellar, He's steady.
Speaker 9 (39:32):
He's steady, steady Freddy. Yeah, you know, he's the boy
next door. He's the guy you can always count on.
Speaker 8 (39:37):
It still blows my mind when you hear the amount
they had total amounts, but I think different teams probably
don't look at what each other's I don't know, it's
just they don't really look at what they're offering him,
I guess, and then it all adds up little.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
I mean not none of it's little, but.
Speaker 8 (39:51):
I mean, you know, this amount and this amount, when
you start looking at it from different aspects and different teams,
it adds up to a lot.
Speaker 6 (39:58):
So I don't know, he's one in three in the playoffs. See,
do you.
Speaker 8 (40:01):
Think that there's any possibility that maybe the Falcons will
just keep him and like take a cap head.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
No, they got parallel, they got the other kid, they
got the young cat care.
Speaker 8 (40:10):
So they'll definitely get rid of it because there are
he's already saying he's not gonna attend into the opposite.
Speaker 9 (40:15):
But the problem is that they may have to eat
that kind. Like I said, they already eight the ten millions,
so they may have to eat some more money if
they think, you know, don't get the trade that they
want if they're releasing.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
And my question really.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
Is who's gonna take that?
Speaker 5 (40:27):
That's that's That's where I'm at. Somebody gonna take it.
He's gonna be a good backup. I don't think I
think it's starting days in the NFL are done. Oh no,
nothink he's done on Henna.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
He's gonna take.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
I don't see him taking less money because he's not
gonna it's over. You're gonna have to take less money.
You ain't getting them bags no more. He already committed.
How look, you gotta stop. You already robbed enough.
Speaker 8 (40:53):
Off into the sunset To be honest, I mean to
me and Aaron Rodgers can get horses together.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
I'm glad you brought that up, because literally, those are
like two quarterbacks that really just.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Like, hey guys, let's go go get.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
In the booth somewhere and and and ride off into
the sunset and celebrate your career, you know, announcing. I
mean even and look and you know, just to defend
Kirk Cousin, I mean you even look at his playoff record, right,
I mean it's one in three, but statistically, I mean,
he had a ninety three QBR, he got five touchdowns,
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the one pick in his player and excuse me, in
his playoff career, he's sixty six percent passing completion percentage
thousand yards. I mean, like I'm saying, I think teams again,
this is the problem with stuff like advanced analytics, because
they look at all this stuff.
Speaker 9 (41:50):
They're just not looking at the one in three. They're
looking at Okay, what was his quarterback rating? What was
his touchdown interception? They're looking at all these look yeah,
they're looking at all these.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
Little nuanced stats and saying sixty six million equals sixty
six million.
Speaker 6 (42:05):
Somebody needs to make me a statue.
Speaker 5 (42:08):
See my thing to that is it's like, okay, so
you you you look at all the analytics and you
you know all the facts, right, yeah, there is no
bigger there is no bigger stat than winning loss.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
You're right about that. But they consider everything else now.
Speaker 6 (42:25):
Not now, Yeah, they consider all that.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Other stuff because they're not just looking at the main.
Speaker 8 (42:31):
Thing when the combine rolls around, they're looking at all
the different It's not just one aspect of a player.
They analyze all the whole athletic package. Now it's it's
it's amazing.
Speaker 9 (42:41):
Yeah, but let me ask you that, do you think
the combine is still worth it now considering that we
got like because back in the day, like when you
were gearing up for it, there might there may have
been teams that didn't have a whole bunch of tape
on you right right, But now like we can pretty
much you could just pull up every single game it's
probably been paid playing in the last ten years.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
If you're yeah, yeah, if you're a.
Speaker 9 (43:03):
Player, do you even need to like, if you, like
I said, if you are all America, you got proven, thatsed,
you got wins and losses all that, do you need
to even go there?
Speaker 5 (43:12):
You had talked about the draft, like I think last
week about talking about it, and I don't think we
got to it. So that's that's actually a good a
good way to work through the rest of the show.
My problem, my problem with the draft is the is
actually now is the process because what's happening now, Like
(43:33):
I can remember, you know, someone calling and telling me like, hey,
there's a scout from such and such or a regional
scout or a team scout. They're gonna come work you
out after practice today, you know, or you know, we
could have been done with football and at whatever time
they coming, you had to get down, get on the field,
(43:54):
get loose and run.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
For the.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Combine itself.
Speaker 5 (44:00):
A lot of these top players are not wanting to
do it for two reasons. One, they don't think they
have to because they've already proven themselves on the field,
which I can't argue that. And the other side of
that is what if I run a slow forty What
if I have a bad broad jump?
Speaker 2 (44:21):
What if I have you know, a bad stand that day? Yes, now,
all of a.
Speaker 5 (44:26):
Sudden, your stock drops, And to me, I would like
everybody to go through the combine, but I understand that
the reality of it is it can hurt you just
as much as it can help you.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
But if you're a top guy, if you're a top guy, why.
Speaker 9 (44:47):
But what I'm saying is like if you at Marshall,
Now let's say you have a twelve pick season, you
are All American, all Conference, You've done all the things,
you get all the accolades, and you're you know, you
got size. All that, like I said, is the thought process. Now, like, man,
just turn on the film. Like I don't have to
(45:07):
do all these bench press and all this stuff that
it really ain't football related. I don't need to do that.
Turn on the film. Judge me against the best competition.
Do I need to do? Do I need to do
all that?
Speaker 8 (45:17):
Maybe maybe for those smaller schools that don't have as
much media, so those guys they need that opportunity. There's
not gonna be as much film and media coverage.
Speaker 5 (45:27):
Well, but to Hollis, there's gonna be film work. I mean,
everybody's on huddle, everybody's gonna have the competition.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
I think competition.
Speaker 5 (45:36):
So to me, I think there's never gonna be a
space for let's say somebody from let's say West Virginia State.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Is not gonna have to they have to go there.
You're gonna have to go.
Speaker 5 (45:49):
They're gonna have to, or they're gonna come and somebody
who's really interested in you is gonna come and work
you out and get their information.
Speaker 9 (45:56):
And I'm talking like the Notre Dames, the Florida's, the Alabama,
That's what I'm talking like those guys. Yeah, do I
need to come to And I'm and I'm gonna start it,
and I got all the accolades and I've done everything.
Speaker 5 (46:06):
I think your mindset is gonna be like, no, I'm
not gonna. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna. There's no
reason for me to do that.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
I think. I think the combine is is on? Is
on a down side?
Speaker 6 (46:17):
Do you think they'll do away with it?
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Because I think that they have to. I just think
it's on.
Speaker 5 (46:21):
When I say downside, the top players are not interested
in doing it because everybody wants to see.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
You know, the top players, how how fast are they?
You know?
Speaker 5 (46:33):
Can they run a four to two, four to one?
You know all this kind of crazy numbers. How many
times can they bench press? And and you know, and
what's happening even more so is you don't. No one's
talking about, you know, the broad jumps or anything anything
other than what forty that that that that's That's basically it.
So even if you cut it to that, I ain't running.
(46:59):
I'm gonna let you got to figure out if I
do I look fast enough on the film to be
your number one draft pick.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 9 (47:07):
It just seems like, like I said, if I'm at
a big school and I've been played against the best
competition in the country, and I've shown and proved that
I've like I said, I've got statistics to back it up,
I've got awards to back it up. I'm just thinking
at this point and do I need to even do this? Like,
is this like Travis Hunter, is it necessary for him
to go to the combine?
Speaker 8 (47:29):
Well, I think it depends on on what teams want
out of the draft. I mean because basically, you know,
some teams you know that are solid in you know
where they are as far as like you know, the
their their whole structure, like the Chiefs so to speak.
You know they're going to be looking at like, you know,
the long term. They're not going to be looking for
what's available to help positions of need, although they may
(47:51):
need offensive line. We talked about that, yeah for sure,
But you know, I think it depends on what the
team needs out of the draft. Is it something that
they just want some potential for long term, you know,
longevity from a player that looks like they have potential
and they can develop that player, or is it something
they need immediate help with.
Speaker 9 (48:08):
That's true, And I know, like the Rams, they didn't
even intend to draft. I don't think really yeah, I
mean that again, I don't think they had like a first, second,
third round pick, but I don't think they even sent
a scout.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
So some teams didn't even tend anybody. So let me
ask this question. It's just gonna this. This would be shocked.
You'll both be kind of shocked that I'm gonna.
Speaker 5 (48:27):
Ask this question. Are you gonna take Dion? Are you
gonna take let's just say, are you gonna Are you
gonna take them? Do you feel like you're gonna have
an issue with with with Dion?
Speaker 2 (48:40):
If yeah, I.
Speaker 9 (48:43):
Don't think I would. I don't think you're gonna have
that issue because I think probably that it seems like
they both mutually agreed like it's time to let go now.
The questions I have are just more base than to
again something that you said, you know at the beginning
of this past football season, is that again, when we
look at top quarterbacks, they all are quick, fast and
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can reerly run the ball, not just scramble, but they
can run the ball in design run plays. Like I
said when we mentioned those top quarterbacks in the league
now who are having a success, And the question is
can you do that? And is your skill set good
enough to take us over the hump? Is your skill
set currently because really you can't run the ball. We
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know that's what you can't do. Or is that something
that you'll be adding to your game? So that that
would be my question with him, And again I think
I would have the locker room question. Is he's a
guy that can you know that other guys would following
leads stuff like that. But even bigger than those questions physically,
can you do what we need you to do to win.
Speaker 5 (49:44):
Because it's different. It's different no matter who you played against.
It's different when you get there.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
And he showed he's tough at nails.
Speaker 9 (49:52):
Yeah, you can talk all the arrogant stuff, that kid
is tough as nails because he took some blows over
the last couple of seasons. But can you run rock?
Can we can? We can we give you a quarterback counter.
That's my question.
Speaker 5 (50:06):
See, I'm gonna I'm gonna say he's gonna think that
he can't now whether he you know, just.
Speaker 8 (50:14):
Comes with immaturity and just you know, your college days
and confidence from that and you know he's been successful.
Speaker 9 (50:21):
But if we do that in college, that's what I'm saying.
It ain't like he was, you know, doing what Jayleen
Hurston was doing in college.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
He wasn't. He wasn't like.
Speaker 6 (50:30):
Winning, I think is the point. I don't know. I
don't know.
Speaker 8 (50:35):
I mean, he looks like if a team feels like
they're confident enough in him, in his talents and what
he does have, they can develop the other parts is
what they would be thinking.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
I could buy that.
Speaker 5 (50:44):
I'm gonna say this because you look like that expressed
us to me isself a smaller I think I think
my fear that what I hope doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Okay, now I'm gonna put that out first. I think
he could end up becoming a locker room issue. I mean, well,
I can see that.
Speaker 6 (51:05):
Again because of Dad or why why do you.
Speaker 5 (51:07):
Think that I think I think I think Dad could be.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
I think that's brash.
Speaker 5 (51:18):
I would say that you can, you can, you can
be self confident in the locker room, but you can't
be you can't you It took well, let me rephrase that,
when we had the big trade and we got herschel Walker,
that locker.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Room never was ever comfortable, never recovered. It never recovered.
Speaker 5 (51:44):
Why we lost a ton of players that we were
buddies with and so on and so forth, and all
of a sudden, now we we've we've traded those guys off,
and we've got this one guy, herschel Walker, Like, dude,
what are you gonna do?
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Are you gonna help us on the whole team? You know?
Speaker 5 (52:00):
And again and then you're not Then you're not sociable either,
And again I get it that you're he's new to
the team, so he's he's kind of just kind of
walking around trying to figure things out. You know, who
can who's gonna talk to him, Who's gonna be his buddy?
Speaker 2 (52:14):
But I feel like.
Speaker 5 (52:16):
I feel like this is kind of the herschel Walker
kind of thing to where all of a sudden you
have all of these negative things behind him, you know,
because so there's gonna be some players who's gonna automatically
think Dad had something in this.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
I don't think you can beat that. You know, well,
they will say, I mean he's shown to improve on
the field.
Speaker 5 (52:36):
I mean, nobody cares about what you showed in college.
When you get there, you gotta show it. You gotta
show it in camp. You got to show it in camp.
And if he shows it, he'll get to do that
he deserves. If he doesn't that, there's gonna be a
locker room issue.
Speaker 8 (52:55):
Do you think he's gonna be drafted first or second
or even further back?
Speaker 2 (52:59):
I think so.
Speaker 9 (53:00):
I think it's gonna be down. I can see late round.
I can almost. I won't say I could. I almost
see second round a little bit. But I don't think
it's gonna be top ten. I don't either. But I
think people are thinking.
Speaker 7 (53:13):
Ward.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (53:13):
I think the first quarterback down. I'm curious of how
late he could go or even how early.
Speaker 9 (53:24):
Yeah, Because I think teams now you just can't afford
to blunder up these pics. You have to get guys
that can really come in and play like you know,
if you're like a for example, like a Cleveland Browns,
you gotta get a guy who can come in and
contribute today.
Speaker 6 (53:36):
You don't have time to really, you.
Speaker 9 (53:40):
Are weekend and I'm just not like I said, and
it's just outside of everything else. To me, it's just
the physical ability because I'm to me, I'm not. It's
not a one to one comparison. But he's a lot
like Dak Prescott in that. Again, I think he has
better accuracy and he has elite ball play. He doesn't
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have a strong arm, and he just he's not immobile.
But he's not a runner.
Speaker 6 (54:07):
Well that's the truth, that's true.
Speaker 8 (54:09):
Then you know Jerry Jones is gonna snap him right,
he'll be all over that.
Speaker 5 (54:16):
Well, we'll see, I will tell you, ladies and gentlemen,
we're gonna get out of here.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
We appreciate your time. We will see you next week.
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Speaker 5 (00:46):
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And I have my two co hosts in the building today.
Hollis Lewis, Hello, Hello, Lisa.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Odie is here.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Hello, and we are we are looking forward to a
really good show tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
We have we have the coach from Spring.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Valley that and and I want to say this just
so everybody knows I'm not Everybody knows that I'm not
really a basketball kind of guy.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Not that I don't like it. I just I wasn't
very good at it. But going to to the Spring
Valley game, the girls game, Yes, the girls game.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
Yes, I didn't pass.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah. Whatever.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
One of the interesting things that I that I saw
in the game was I loved the way that team
worked like they passed the ball and I was I was,
I was like amazing, I'm I'm tapping holes. I'm like, man,
watch the way they you know, how many times do
they pass the ball before they take a shot. And
it didn't look selfish. It looked team oriented. It just
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looked so good and it impressed me so much. I
was like, man, we need to get we need to
get the coach on, you know, so without further ado,
we will bring in a coach and uh, I don't
know if he got to hear all of that information that.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
We coach bow Miller in Spring Valley.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Coach, I just want to I just want to take
my hat off because I would tell you right now
I would love to play on a team that you coached.
And I am curious to figure out is it was
it just a.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Combination of the right mix of girls.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
And the right system that you guys were able to
literally teamwork. To me, I felt your teamwork beat beat
the team like I mean, I think y'all just won
the game.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Solely on just teamwork.
Speaker 7 (02:52):
That's what basketball supposed to be, isn't it all five
girls playing as one?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You know, that's what that's what you think.
Speaker 8 (02:57):
Anyway, we need to hit you up with the NBA.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
With that question.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
Coach, let me exactly that was going to be.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
When you look at when you look at professional basketball
or maybe even college basketball.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
And I don't know if this is a tough question
for you or not.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Do you see it like the way that because it
doesn't look like the way that you're coaching it or
the way that your young ladies are playing it. It
just it looks perfect the way your kids are playing it.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
We like to model ourselves after the European way of
playing basketball. That's where we get all our a lot
of our stuff from, yeah and the DC basketball.
Speaker 9 (03:35):
And just to let the audience know, Spring Valley girls
they won the Quad A championship against Morgantown this past Sunday. Coach,
and we're talking to coach bau Miller. You were twenty
three and two this year and you've been in the
mix the last couple of years. What picked this team
over the hump?
Speaker 7 (03:55):
Well, I think we came back with a big chip
on our shoulder for underachieved last year. All the girls
thought last year should have been our year, and we
got up here and moved ov a lay the egg
that first night, you know, and they at that after that,
they you know, put in the work and the time
they do have to sacrifice their own skills and their
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own personal goals for that one team goal. That's what
they all strive for this year.
Speaker 8 (04:20):
Awesome, that's awesome. Hi, coach, this is Lisa Odie. Thanks
for being on the show tonight.
Speaker 7 (04:25):
Oh, thanks for having me.
Speaker 8 (04:26):
Hey, So I have a question and you guys just
coming off that fresh championship and the and the the
girls basketball tournament. Something that they're talking about is the teamwork.
Unfortunately I couldn't be there to witness it, but I
have seen some clips. So how do you assess the
strengths and weaknesses of opposing teams? You know, when you're
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developing a game plan for like a championship game.
Speaker 7 (04:50):
Oh, it's a lot of scouting, a lot of filmwork.
We played Morgantown earlier in the year, so we had
already scouted them several times, so a lot of preparation
goes into it.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
Yeah. Oh, I was just going to add to it.
Speaker 8 (05:04):
So, and are there any times that you kind of
have to, like to adjust your strategies when you see
something that you weren't expecting from the other team.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
How do you handle that during a game?
Speaker 7 (05:14):
Well, our girls are pretty pretty basketball smart. Wow, So
we have to make an adjustment to the game. It's
usually just a time out and you know, we have
to write it down to show them. Sure, you get
them more exact how to go, but once they figured
it out, it's it's pretty good. Our girls are pretty.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
Smart and talented.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
And specifically with the game.
Speaker 9 (05:33):
You know, Morgantown has some very skilled athletes as far
as on that team, you had Jones, you had Killogg,
you know, a couple of the girls they are the
you know, the daughters of w VU men's and women's
basketball coach. So in trying to, you know, as Lisa mentioned,
develop a game plan to stop those skilled athletes. What
what what thought went into that?
Speaker 7 (05:53):
Well, I'm really glad that the job in Indiana his
thought about four or three against us. But yeah, I
mean we knew coming in that Killogg and Jones would
try to take over the game and we just try
to take away their strengths and kellogg strengths was getting
to the basket, and Jones's strengths is going to.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
That left block, yep.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
And we just we just sit on her left hand
the whole game. And Drea Parker did not hardly get
off her left hand the whole game. And then Sophie
Hutchison just you know, kept kell all out in front
of where to get to the rim, and her game
is getting to the rim one of the foul line.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
And and when you when you're doing when, when you're
crafting that kind of a scouting report for a team,
when when did you look at when did you look
at it and say, oh, gosh, this is really working,
Like this is like this is this is gonna this
is really hurting them, because to me, it looked like
they were struggling, and you know, it was like almost
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one on one type of situations.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Every time the ball got on their end of the court.
Speaker 7 (06:58):
Well as it helped and we picked. You know, our
post player usually doesn't really guard the other team's post player.
She kind of just plays in the lane. And if
that girl's not making shots, it makes our defense look
a lot better. When she could just stand in there
and that just happened to be that day that girl
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didn't make any shots, so she could stand there and
she was helping every time those girls would get to
the lane, just clogging everything up.
Speaker 9 (07:26):
And speaking of that postplayer, I believe her first name
is Ali, number thirty four. I mean, she has such
a Daniels, Ali Daniels. She has such a great game.
I mean, to me, she was the MVP. I mean,
I believe she had a double double. I mean she
was making shots, she was getting rebounds, she was passing
the ball, setting screens, she was doing just a little
bit of everything for you guys on Sunday. So could
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you just tell us a little bit more about her.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
Well, she's a double double Machine's she's got over a
thousand points and a thousand rebounds in our skin four years.
And that's you know, no man in our school has
ever done that, and that's really a huge accomplishment. And uh,
it's just every game she's a rebounding machine. She may
not always get double points, but her rebounds are. She's
had twenty five this year, maybe twice, and wow, it's
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every night of its every night's double double in rebounds.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And I know.
Speaker 9 (08:18):
That's one thing that we've talked about and watching specifically
women's basketball over the past year is just that I
love it because it's not always pretty, but it's always gritty.
Women's basketball, to me is just what it just looks
like the basketball at least that I grew up with.
And you girls are scraping there. They're they're really, for
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lack of better words, going hard in the paint.
Speaker 7 (08:43):
Well that's what we're hoping it is. Anyway. I like
the basketball old. I'm not such a big fan of
this new basketball they've set up there. Just chuck up
threes all day.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
I'm not in a yeah, and for me and for
me not to be a basketball player or even really
necessarily a great basketball fan, I can't watch men's basketball
because they're just shooting. And I loved like, I'm I'm
nudgeing Hollys all the whole game, just like, hey, did
you see that? Because it was just like what I
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love about it. What I absolutely love about.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
The women's game is they go hard from beginning to end.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
And one thing about our team, we do go hard.
It starts with Sophie Hutchinson. She is like, you know,
a Tasmanian devil up there. She goes hard the whole
game and gets everybody else scored.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
That's amazing anybody got anything.
Speaker 8 (09:35):
I was just gonna say so, so, coach, how did
you guys celebrate the big win as a team.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
Did you guys do anything special?
Speaker 7 (09:43):
Well, we never won once. Were we really didn't have
to celebrate, and.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
I like it.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
I mean we stopped and got something that we you know,
we haven't really done anything big yet. We're up here,
our boys are playing the night record. Okay, she'll probably
have a big cilbrace somewhere.
Speaker 9 (10:02):
And speaking of that, I mean, you guys could probably
have a County celebration because not only does Spring Valley win,
but Wayne, when I believe the double A championship, so
you guys the three.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
A championship, you want the quality championship.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
You guys did a clean so you might have a
joint parade with everybody.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
The boys went out crazy.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
Yeah, Wayne, County is celebrating this week.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Because we just wanted to reach out to you, just
give you your props and just to celebrate it. So
we appreciate you coming on and we'll be in touch
with you again.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Well I appreciate that, all right, Guys, like, at least
I'm going to say this since you didn't get to
see the game.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I was like, I.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Felt like a kid, Like I felt like maybe like
I was at a super Bowl or something like that.
Like I was like like totally enjoying what I was watching.
I mean, it was it just it like opened my eyes.
And I don't know, Hollis is probably comfortable with it.
He's probably used to it. He goes to more games
than probably that I do. But I was, I was.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Totally impressed with them.
Speaker 9 (11:13):
I mean, the women's game to me is just like
it's just I think we're at a space now where
we can really appreciate it, and I think that it's
separated itself from the men's game. Again, when I say that,
I don't necessarily mean good or worse. I just mean
it's a different game. It's not women's basketball, women's sports
in general. They are no longer trying to mimic the men.
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They're they're in into themselves. They have their brand, in
their brand, in their lane, and they're playing their game.
So it's definitely something that I enjoy at all of them.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
And it's refreshing.
Speaker 8 (11:45):
It's not something that you see, like you said, with
the men's basketball, you know, the NBA and their style
of play, it's not, you know, so much the emphasis
on the three pointer. It's about the teamwork, the passing,
the whole, you know, just the year planning that goes
into the place from the coach and from the girls.
I mean, it's not just go out there and throw
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up three pointers and see what happens.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
And you look at you know, you look at the
three point shot as the new normal shot.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Right, these girls worked, they didn't work.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
You know, you can just stand out there by the
three point like they're cutting to the basket and and
and getting passes, layups and all of that.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
That's old school basketball.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
And that's designed play.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
It's a design play. It's like you gotta play. Do
you even think that in the NBA there's actually a
play can get all the way through?
Speaker 9 (12:40):
I would say so, and and just and again I
wouldn't necessarily even call it. I know we're saying old school,
but I just it's just like it's just watchable. It's
just to the viewers, it's a better watchable game than
I think what's being presented at some different line.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
Requires more discipline too, don't you a.
Speaker 9 (12:55):
Little bit more? Like I said, this is a total
team thing. It's it's it's a team and ya right right?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I like that lista.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
I like that term discipline because when you call us,
when you're talking about like teamwork, that discipline has to
come into teamwork because the moment that you get in
your own in your own lane, you're taking the shot,
I'm not passing it, I'm not finishing the play. I'm
just gonna take my shot every time I get.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
The ball, you know. So, So all right, so I have.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
That right. It's been an interesting week in West Virginia.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yes it has.
Speaker 9 (13:31):
Okay, So well let's set it up because, for those
who don't know West Virginia WVU men's basketball, the pick
the tournament teams were picked on selection Sunday, and WVU
and a lot of people's mind got snubbed for UNC
Tar Hills. So again WVU didn't make the tournament. They've
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getting invited to the n I t they didn't choose
to go. So I'll and I'll kick it off from there.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
All right.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
First, I'm again I'm gonna I'm gonna touch turning down
any post season.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Well, yeah, we'll talk about that later. Let's getta talk
to the beat.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
First.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
You gonna play the cliff, Yeah to click. All right,
let's play the clip and then we'll come back. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (14:15):
In all seriousness, Uh, it's embarrassing for an elected official
to take the position that he's taken, you know, literally
calling for an investigation. You could complain, and he has
legitimacy with his complaints, but to go this far and
to really really try to force an investigation, it's utterly ridiculous.
It's childish, and you would like to think our elected
officials have something better to do with their time on
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behalf of their consent they don't see than something of
this magnitude. Clearly he does not. The bottom line is
they were nineteen and thirteen, they were ten and ten
in their own conference, and when they went into the
Big twelve tournament, they lost the very first game of
the tournament to last place Colorado. You know, there there
is is a rare occasion when it is justified to
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tell a politician sit your ass down. This is one
of those situations. Sit your ass down. This is not
something at warrant an investigation.
Speaker 9 (15:10):
All right, Oh, that's a lot. Okay, So what do
you want to start with. I don't know where to.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Let's start with the actual press conference, because let's just
picture this.
Speaker 8 (15:21):
And I don't know if people actually saw the press conference,
but there was a sign on the podium that literally
said National Corrupt Athletic Association. Yes, this was the part
of their news conference, Pat moo and the AG McCuskey,
and basically what they said it was. And I'm not
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making judgment. I'm stating facts right now. Okay, no judgment,
no judgment. Okay, try not to judge anyway. But it
was almost like out of a dramatic play, the things
that Morris that came out of Patrick or not Patrick
Patrick Morrisey's mouth, the things he said. This is this
is an actual verbatim quote, okay, part of the part
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of the presser. West Virginia deserved to be in attorney
and this was a miscarriage of justice and robbery at
the highest levels. Yeah, okay. They stopped short of saying
they would foul an actual law suit, but they were
asking for information. That's what Stephen A. Smith is referring to.
And what do you guys think.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Well, okay, so here's the thing, all right, Now again
I think that serious and again serious, WU we could
it's it's a debatable question as to whether they deserve
that slot over the Tar Hills in light of the
ad of the Tar Hills being on the selection committee,
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which I will talk about later. That's a problematic in
and so again, so again, you as the head of state, you,
as the head of the governor of the state of
West Virginia. He should have said he was disappointed, He
should have should have said all the things that somebody
in his position should say in this circumstances. Now you
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calling a press conference, you quote unquote launching an investigation
in light of all the plethor problems that the State
of West Virginia currently faces.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Is it's not it's not just make a tweet. Do
you even have to do that?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I think you do? You definitely do do you definitely?
Speaker 8 (17:35):
Do you remember other governors ever doing We've been left
out of tournaments, Marshall or WBU.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
And it's happened in the past. It's not anything new.
I mean, it's happened.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
You're right, But if to the point, if you decide
you're going to say something, yeah, right to me, like
state Fox that are that are unquestionable. Look at your record,
look at look at the numbers.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Right now, again, I get the whole North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
You got to coach on the on the selection committee,
blah blah blah blah, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
But really, like, why would you come out like why
would you?
Speaker 5 (18:18):
I would want to say I'm disappointed because we did
not we were not part of and and leave it
at that.
Speaker 9 (18:26):
What investigation are you going to do? And that's the part.
It's great politics. So you come out and you say, oh,
I'm disappointed we should have got in. This is unfair.
And again I've had my criticisms, went n Cuba, I've
had my criticism. Everybody has right, but you don't go that.
You're talking about lawsuits, investigations. We got stuff we need
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to handle here. We ain't got time for that.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Right now.
Speaker 9 (18:49):
You come out, you say what you got to say,
then you move bout today or heck, you ain't even
got to say that, make a tweet and move on.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
I mean, and let's be factual about this part too.
And Stephen A.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
Smith emphasize this and I agree with him totally on
this part. I mean, I do feel like there were
the quad wins when you know the comparison and quad
winds are basically when you beat a ranked team and
you get so and some people may not know That's
why I'm throwing it out there, but you get so
many points for if you beat the team at home
or if you beat them on a neutral court, which
I didn't realize this, and there's differences in point points
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given for.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Where they play where they achieved the victory.
Speaker 8 (19:22):
But what I'm saying is I know that there were
differences large that there were huge discrepancies between the quad
wins with North Carolina and West Virginia. I think North
Carolina only had like one in West Virginia had like
six out of ten.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
I get that.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
But the dagger that the dagger in everything was when
they went to the Big twelve tournament. They had a
buy and they lose to the last place team. You
just don't do that, especially when you're a Targill.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
But the tar Hills didn't win that tournament.
Speaker 9 (19:50):
The Duke, yeah, they lost like the first did they
make the championship game?
Speaker 6 (19:55):
I think I don't know how far they got. They
did lose. The Duke won it didn't when no win.
Speaker 8 (20:02):
Okay, so that's a difference, like they they West Virginia
lost in Colorado. I mean that that is that's and
plus the way they were playing at the end of
the season was not stellar. I mean they were losing
games and they just didn't look like the same team
as they did at.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
The beginning of the year when they were beating quad teams.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Let me, let me, let me, let me ask this question. Okay,
Let's just say that he is. Everything that he's stating
is correct.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Everything that he's saying the coach for w U is
but everything that he's saying somebody, the governor, I mean
the governor government.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Everything that the governor is saying is legit. Okay, it's
legit and it's and it's meaningful.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
The question I ask is when has it, like when where.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
What prompted you to think that this would be something
that you should come out with and see. I'd be
okay if the if the coach said it, I'd be
okay if.
Speaker 9 (20:57):
They said, here's the thing, though, what he said is
gonna have legs with some people. In light of the
North Carolina tar Hills, a d being on the selection committee.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
And and and.
Speaker 9 (21:14):
Receiving a bonus for them getting in and them getting
in directly over w You see, I'm saying like he's
playing politics here because some people are gonna that he's
talking to his base. He's not talking to necessarily me
and you, because talking to his base and his base
is gonna cheer that on, particularly when they find out
that the u n c's AD is in network quote
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unquote in the room, out the room. And that brings
me to my other point. Why are ads on the
selection committy? And what I'm saying you give credence to
everything he just said in some people's mind, Why why
isn't there a selection committee? Third party non ex excuse me, directly,
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non affiliate because you might be an alumni somewhere, but
you're not currently affiliated in a significant manner with the
athletic program that can currently get in or get out
of the tournament. It should be a total board, a
body that's no affiliated directly because everything he said is
some people's mind is gonna be like he is one
hundred percent right.
Speaker 8 (22:16):
But the next question is, and I think you're right,
but I mean the next question is who would be
on the committee who would you bring in to judge
who gets in the tournament, because then they're going to argue, well,
they don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
They're not former players, former coaches, just.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
But they're still you're still alumni.
Speaker 9 (22:34):
Saying somebody who's not actively getting paid. Yeah, okay, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
And what's interesting to me about this and and my
argument with most of these.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Sports decision making processes, you don't know who's on the board,
you know what I'm saying, Like, in most cases, you
don't even know who's actually.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
On these boards who are making these decisions.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
I think, and again, I would want an open I'd
want to know who's on the board, who's making these votes,
who's gonna make these decisions.
Speaker 9 (23:07):
Well, I think I think college football does it good
because we know who's on the board, and they start
having these discussions the seasons winding. Now to your point,
it needs to be an open process and we need
to start tracking like, Okay, this week is this week,
this week is this discussion, this week that week, and
we can go from at least the middle of the
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season all the way to selection Sunday to we already
kind of have an idea of how they're thinking about it. Well,
I was gonna say yes to your to your point,
I think, as you look at this, this should be
something that everybody it's kind of almost visible who's gonna
be picked because of this, Because.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Of that they won this game, they lost this game,
they're gonna be out. I think everybody ought to be
able to sit and at home if you choose to
follow your team and then try to figure out, Okay,
they're not gonna get.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
In what they gonna get it.
Speaker 9 (23:59):
I think I think we kind of got that with
the quad ones and all that sort of thing. The
problem is is that the people in the room are
too tied to the teams that can be chosen or not.
You don't need to be the ad of making decision.
You don't need to be ad of a university making
a decision. You don't.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
I totally agree with that, but also you need to
It's kind of like what we've talked about before. You
don't let referees win or lose a game for you.
You basically need to go out there and win a
couple of games in the Big twelve.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
And they're in.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
I mean, they kind of had their own fate in
their hands. I mean, they shouldn't have come down to
whether or not North Carolina had more quad wins or
less wins or they're you know, if they would have
put a better body of work out there, maybe winning
at least I guarantee if they'd won at least two
of the Big twelve check conference championship games, they would
have been in hands down.
Speaker 9 (24:49):
But some people would say in spite of that, they
still had a better resume than U and C.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Some people would argue.
Speaker 8 (24:55):
Well, and then the other argument was that the injury
to the one player, Oh shoot our son, I think
he's been out. Yeah, So that that was something that
they threw into the mix as well, saying well he's
out hurt, and that changed the whole dynamic of the team.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
So, I don't know. I mean, it's just it's so complex,
there's so many layers to this.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
It's it's just been great and then they end up losing,
they end up losing their coach, well and Andiana, so
that the other.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, Hollid, I'm gonna ask you this question.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
In these types of whether it's whether it's tournament stuff,
all star stuff, shouldn't it be shouldn't every pick, every
decision be something that the public should see, should hear,
should know you should hear the conversation between someone somewhere,
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some form of the conversation, some form of who voted
for who you see.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I'm saying like like.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Like it's it seems like we accountability, accountability for these
decisions that people are making, especially when it's judgmental.
Speaker 9 (26:06):
Yes, is like the legislative. If you want to, you
can see all our votes. You can see exactly how
we voted on everything. So yes, to answer your question,
one hundred percent, it should one hundred percent be like that.
And I would add to what you're saying, it also
should be individuals who are reasonably objective, who aren't directly tied.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
To a specific school.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
So should.
Speaker 9 (26:30):
Definitely a record like you voted for this team, you
voted for that team. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
And and to to your point, like if if there's
a record, and every time I voted for Marshall, you.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Can't, you can't be on the committee.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
You can't, you're off, you're out.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
And I think that I think that there's a reality
to that of you kind of gotta you kind of
gotta get folks that are unaffiliated with.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
Schools.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (27:00):
But but but even to your point, even if you're
not unaffiliated, and we can clearly see your voting record,
particularly if you've been on this door for you know,
five years or whatever, we clearly see your pattern of voting,
then we we then we know how you are thinking
the Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
And to that point, how many times was your team
in there and you didn't vote for them? I think
that's that's true, you know, cause you you you know,
if my team ain't in there, I can be good.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (27:27):
But and then and then he tried to say, like,
and we're talking about the ad of the Tar Hills.
He tried to say that, you know, he left the room,
and I'm like, bro, you can you can whip votes
that don't really that don't move me.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
I thinking that you're gonna vote. When I come back in,
I'm like looking at you, like are we good?
Speaker 6 (27:44):
That was at our text conversation. You said, you know
he could whip the vote.
Speaker 8 (27:47):
Now I said, he's whipping all the way to the
bank now with that bonus he got. But yeah, it's
just that's been a complex I don't know's there's so
many facets to this, and I guess then the question
now is do you think how bears coming back?
Speaker 9 (28:01):
That's the question because I know Wu's coach went to Indiana.
That's a dream job. You can't turn it down. So
I don't think anybody can begrudge him for doing that.
I think people are I don't see how. I mean,
he's a mid West guy.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
Well, I think not just that part of it.
Speaker 8 (28:15):
I think that they feel like maybe he's had leanings
of leaving all season long, and that maybe you know,
he red shirted his son knowing that he's going to
be going to Indiana or I think it was Iowa at.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
One point, right, Yeah, I think he's from Iowa. Yeah, yeah,
I don't like. I don't like how all that sounds.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
But yeah, you gotta go. I mean, yeah, yeah, you know,
it is what it is.
Speaker 9 (28:35):
But it's like, if you get a chance to coach
Notre Dame or USC you're a football guy, you got
to you got to go.
Speaker 8 (28:41):
But I think that's why, you know, the joke on
on social media has been you got you got huffed.
Oh sorry, you got huffed, because that's what happened to Marshall. Basically,
you know he left for a job that you know
he felt like would be better.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
He didn't have the success of huffing.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
No, no, You're all right, ladies.
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Speaker 2 (29:59):
Now, all right, so I have made it very clear for.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Every opportunity I've had to be on radio, television, interview
or whatever, I am.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I am not a Kirk Cousins fan.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
He's a hater.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Somebody actually might actually feel that I am actually a hater.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Okay, I don't really want to consider myself a hater.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
But I've seen this on on Facebook the other day,
and it's the pay that Kirk Cousins has has made
over his career, and they say it is comparable to
(30:51):
Tom Brady more it may it may be more.
Speaker 9 (30:56):
He's got a guarantee and it's in Kirk cousins career.
I believe it's a guaranteed money. This isn't outside, but
it's just just guarantee.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Go ahead and read. You got it.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Okay, you got it. So twenty twelve, give us the total, Well,
I'm gonna give you that. I'm gonna give you the total.
He had a four year rookie deal. They didn't specify
how much that was. Okay, Okay, twenty sixteen nineteen point
nine million fully guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, we're just talking guaranteed money.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
Yeah, yeah, twenty or twenty seventeen, twenty three point nine
fully guaranteed. Now this is from sixteen to seventeen, all
right now, eighteen eighty four million fully guaranteed, twenty twenty
(31:47):
sixty six fully guaranteed, twenty twenty two, thirty five.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
Fully guaranteed, unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
Twenty two, twenty four, one hundred and fifty with one
hundred fully guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
And he just got ten million last week.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
That's millions, millions of dollars. What's the total career forty
one million through twenty twenty seven, three hundred and twenty
nine of that has been fully guaranteed for three hundred
and twenty nine million, And I think you got to
add ten on to that because yeah.
Speaker 8 (32:26):
He's got a brother, he's got an agent, he's got
like an Inny given Sunday, Tom Cruise shoving the money agent.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
So what's the caveat what's the caveat to all that that?
Tom Braden? No, No, no, what's the caveat to all that?
He won?
Speaker 11 (32:39):
What?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
How many playoff games? One? How many Super Bowls?
Speaker 4 (32:42):
None?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
How many conference championships.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
None, Player of the Year none, Tom rated quarterback. No,
he won one playoff game and he got a guarantee?
Is a three hundred and plus one?
Speaker 6 (33:00):
What in the world? How is this possible? How is
it possible?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I want to make it clear. Lease do that. I've
played a very long time.
Speaker 9 (33:10):
See that's what he went back pay, that's what he
want playing the game.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
And and and I'm and I'm looking at a dude who.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Can't take his team. He can't. He's not a.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
He's with the Falcons right now, right, Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 9 (33:32):
They were looking to moving before they for the guaranteed
kicked in, for the bonus kicked in, they had to
pay him the ten and I think they're still gonna
end up trading.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
My question is is why what did you see? Filmwork
is a major thing in professional sports.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Who's not looking at the field because but I'll tell
you this why. Here's why. Here's what's telling me. Here's why.
Speaker 9 (33:56):
Number one quarterback is an ever increasingly difficult position to
play in sports. It is, I believe, and Kirk Cousins
is serviceable and he's a company guy. You're not going
to have to worry about Kirk Cousins causing those storm.
His teammates love him, and he can be a guy
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in spite of whatever he lacks that can just help
you because he had some winning seasons in there. Again,
nothing crazy when he's and I'm talking regular seasons, but
he's a guy who can win small games, come in
and get you over the hump why you're either developing
or finding a quarterback. Well, and again, when you look
at guys like Cam Newton, these aren't good company guys.
(34:40):
We could throw Cousins out there. He's gonna smiles, got
the family. He's a company man and that's why he
has that. And again, timing has been perfect for him too,
because those spots where he had those good seasons, he
was able to leverage that for some of them big
contracts that you just mentioned, leverage it by what win
in some regular season games.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Babe.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
I can remember going in I remember I can remember
going in for a contract with with with Mike Lynn
rest his soul, knowing that this is going to be
a difficult thing.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Now I've got I've got some crack, I got some
accolades behind me.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
And there was not even like that had nothing to
do with where he was. That had nothing to do
with what.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
It's a different time. You can't pre pay that, yes,
I can. You can't. You ain't let me did it? Okay? Okay?
And so I understand.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
I understand the reality of what it, what it takes,
what it what it takes to get to those kinds
of money situations for me to get to the money
that I saw that somebody else was making that I
felt like I wanted to make. You had to perform,
and performance for me had to be interceptions, you know,
(35:58):
getting all conference stuff, all that kind of stuff. All
those things matter, Okay. And and I'm trying to figure
out what are they viewing for Kirk Cousins because he's
got one playoff win. Yeah, and he hasn't been player
(36:19):
of the year, he hasn't been quarterback of the year.
Speaker 8 (36:23):
I think now they do want to get out of
the contract, correct, because there's been some controversy.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I mean, how'd you get in it?
Speaker 6 (36:31):
I mean, I totally agree with I don't know how
that even I don't know how.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
I told you how he got in it.
Speaker 9 (36:37):
Again, there's not a lot of good quarterbacks in the
NFL or on the NFL level. I'll say, there's not
just a plethor guy. It's not like you can just
go and just find a guy. This ain't that for
that money.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
There's a whole lot of guys who are playing somewhere
else that that's contract is up that you can throw
that at and you and you're throwing it as a guarantee.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
And they're going to do him. I don't how can
you say that because to me, I don't know.
Speaker 9 (37:07):
But he's got you. What I'm saying is like we
we the one playoff win. Yes, but he's gotten teams
to the playoffs, and I think that's what they're counting.
They're looking, Okay, he's pitting us in the mix. He
winning once we get there. But any's serviceable and we
talked about that before that. That's part of the resume.
The playoffs. It doesn't matter if you win.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah, because it's just not a lot of guys out
there who can do this.
Speaker 8 (37:30):
Teams like the Falcons, I mean they that's that's their
goal to make the playoffs, to make a wild card.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
They're not in the mix a lot. Well, it's been
a minute.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
I think coach is taking this person. Is he it's personal?
Speaker 5 (37:44):
Maybe maybe because because again I'm trying to think of
like a number of quarterbacks that well, let's just say this,
how can he be close to Tom Brady?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
How is it?
Speaker 5 (38:02):
How could his money money for any for any reason
that you all.
Speaker 6 (38:07):
Have made it. He's just got the better agent. I'm
telling you.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I'm trying to figure out, like, what are the g
got thinking? What are that?
Speaker 11 (38:14):
What?
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Like? Oh, this is the guy?
Speaker 9 (38:16):
Because i mean, let's look at his record. Right, he's
twenty fifteen, He's nine and seven with the Commanders. He
was able to leverage that. Then they go they have
ninety seven ninety seven, and you got leverage with a
team who you gotta remember twenty fifteen the Commanders were
an awful franchise with Snyder and all them. Right, So,
and he has a couple more mediocre seasons with Washington
(38:39):
in Minnesota than in twenty nineteen. He's ten and five
mint with Minnesota. Then twenty twenty two is thirteen and
four with Minnesota. So I'm saying what he was Remember
what year was that with Minnesota?
Speaker 5 (38:52):
Of sixteen, nineteen and twenty two, nineteen and twenty two,
so nineteen, so look at the year after that probably,
so look at forty six million.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
So what I'm saying, so, is he sixty did he
improve sixty six million guaranteed?
Speaker 9 (39:08):
No, The answer is no, and I'm not justifying that.
But what I'm saying is like he had leverage. He
showed some glimbers of hope and they was like, well, wow,
maybe we could do something with that. And he made
the playoffs in twenty twelve, in twenty fifteen, twenty nineteen,
in twenty twenty two, so he had four playoffs.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
He seasons.
Speaker 6 (39:30):
He's not stellar, He's steady.
Speaker 9 (39:32):
He's steady, steady Freddy. Yeah, you know, he's the boy
next door. He's the guy you can always count on.
Speaker 8 (39:37):
It still blows my mind when you hear the amount
they had total amounts, but I think different teams probably
don't look at what each other's I don't know, it's
just they don't really look at what they're offering him,
I guess, and then it all adds up little.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
I mean not none of it's little, but.
Speaker 8 (39:51):
I mean, you know, this amount and this amount, when
you start looking at it from different aspects and different teams,
it adds up to a lot.
Speaker 6 (39:58):
So I don't know, he's one in three in the playoffs. See,
do you.
Speaker 8 (40:01):
Think that there's any possibility that maybe the Falcons will
just keep him and like take a cap head.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
No, they got parallel, they got the other kid, they
got the young cat care.
Speaker 8 (40:10):
So they'll definitely get rid of it because there are
he's already saying he's not gonna attend into the opposite.
Speaker 9 (40:15):
But the problem is that they may have to eat
that kind. Like I said, they already eight the ten millions,
so they may have to eat some more money if
they think, you know, don't get the trade that they
want if they're releasing.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
And my question really.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
Is who's gonna take that?
Speaker 5 (40:27):
That's that's That's where I'm at. Somebody gonna take it.
He's gonna be a good backup. I don't think I
think it's starting days in the NFL are done. Oh no,
nothink he's done on Henna.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
He's gonna take.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
I don't see him taking less money because he's not
gonna it's over. You're gonna have to take less money.
You ain't getting them bags no more. He already committed.
How look, you gotta stop. You already robbed enough.
Speaker 8 (40:53):
Off into the sunset To be honest, I mean to
me and Aaron Rodgers can get horses together.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
I'm glad you brought that up, because literally, those are
like two quarterbacks that really just.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Like, hey guys, let's go go get.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
In the booth somewhere and and and ride off into
the sunset and celebrate your career, you know, announcing. I
mean even and look and you know, just to defend
Kirk Cousin, I mean you even look at his playoff record, right,
I mean it's one in three, but statistically, I mean,
he had a ninety three QBR, he got five touchdowns,
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the one pick in his player and excuse me, in
his playoff career, he's sixty six percent passing completion percentage
thousand yards. I mean, like I'm saying, I think teams again,
this is the problem with stuff like advanced analytics, because
they look at all this stuff.
Speaker 9 (41:50):
They're just not looking at the one in three. They're
looking at Okay, what was his quarterback rating? What was
his touchdown interception? They're looking at all these look yeah,
they're looking at all these.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
Little nuanced stats and saying sixty six million equals sixty
six million.
Speaker 6 (42:05):
Somebody needs to make me a statue.
Speaker 5 (42:08):
See my thing to that is it's like, okay, so
you you you look at all the analytics and you
you know all the facts, right, yeah, there is no
bigger there is no bigger stat than winning loss.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
You're right about that. But they consider everything else now.
Speaker 6 (42:25):
Not now, Yeah, they consider all that.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Other stuff because they're not just looking at the main.
Speaker 8 (42:31):
Thing when the combine rolls around, they're looking at all
the different It's not just one aspect of a player.
They analyze all the whole athletic package. Now it's it's
it's amazing.
Speaker 9 (42:41):
Yeah, but let me ask you that, do you think
the combine is still worth it now considering that we
got like because back in the day, like when you
were gearing up for it, there might there may have
been teams that didn't have a whole bunch of tape
on you right right, But now like we can pretty
much you could just pull up every single game it's
probably been paid playing in the last ten years.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
If you're yeah, yeah, if you're a.
Speaker 9 (43:03):
Player, do you even need to like, if you, like
I said, if you are all America, you got proven, thatsed,
you got wins and losses all that, do you need
to even go there?
Speaker 5 (43:12):
You had talked about the draft, like I think last
week about talking about it, and I don't think we
got to it. So that's that's actually a good a
good way to work through the rest of the show.
My problem, my problem with the draft is the is
actually now is the process because what's happening now, Like
(43:33):
I can remember, you know, someone calling and telling me like, hey,
there's a scout from such and such or a regional
scout or a team scout. They're gonna come work you
out after practice today, you know, or you know, we
could have been done with football and at whatever time
they coming, you had to get down, get on the field,
(43:54):
get loose and run.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
For the.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Combine itself.
Speaker 5 (44:00):
A lot of these top players are not wanting to
do it for two reasons. One, they don't think they
have to because they've already proven themselves on the field,
which I can't argue that. And the other side of
that is what if I run a slow forty What
if I have a bad broad jump?
Speaker 2 (44:21):
What if I have you know, a bad stand that day? Yes, now,
all of a.
Speaker 5 (44:26):
Sudden, your stock drops, And to me, I would like
everybody to go through the combine, but I understand that
the reality of it is it can hurt you just
as much as it can help you.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
But if you're a top guy, if you're a top guy, why.
Speaker 9 (44:47):
But what I'm saying is like if you at Marshall,
Now let's say you have a twelve pick season, you
are All American, all Conference, You've done all the things,
you get all the accolades, and you're you know, you
got size. All that, like I said, is the thought process. Now, like, man,
just turn on the film. Like I don't have to
(45:07):
do all these bench press and all this stuff that
it really ain't football related. I don't need to do that.
Turn on the film. Judge me against the best competition.
Do I need to do? Do I need to do
all that?
Speaker 8 (45:17):
Maybe maybe for those smaller schools that don't have as
much media, so those guys they need that opportunity. There's
not gonna be as much film and media coverage.
Speaker 5 (45:27):
Well, but to Hollis, there's gonna be film work. I mean,
everybody's on huddle, everybody's gonna have the competition.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
I think competition.
Speaker 5 (45:36):
So to me, I think there's never gonna be a
space for let's say somebody from let's say West Virginia State.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Is not gonna have to they have to go there.
You're gonna have to go.
Speaker 5 (45:49):
They're gonna have to, or they're gonna come and somebody
who's really interested in you is gonna come and work
you out and get their information.
Speaker 9 (45:56):
And I'm talking like the Notre Dames, the Florida's, the Alabama,
That's what I'm talking like those guys. Yeah, do I
need to come to And I'm and I'm gonna start it,
and I got all the accolades and I've done everything.
Speaker 5 (46:06):
I think your mindset is gonna be like, no, I'm
not gonna. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna. There's no
reason for me to do that.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
I think. I think the combine is is on? Is
on a down side?
Speaker 6 (46:17):
Do you think they'll do away with it?
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Because I think that they have to. I just think
it's on.
Speaker 5 (46:21):
When I say downside, the top players are not interested
in doing it because everybody wants to see.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
You know, the top players, how how fast are they?
You know?
Speaker 5 (46:33):
Can they run a four to two, four to one?
You know all this kind of crazy numbers. How many
times can they bench press? And and you know, and
what's happening even more so is you don't. No one's
talking about, you know, the broad jumps or anything anything
other than what forty that that that that's That's basically it.
So even if you cut it to that, I ain't running.
(46:59):
I'm gonna let you got to figure out if I
do I look fast enough on the film to be
your number one draft pick.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 9 (47:07):
It just seems like, like I said, if I'm at
a big school and I've been played against the best
competition in the country, and I've shown and proved that
I've like I said, I've got statistics to back it up,
I've got awards to back it up. I'm just thinking
at this point and do I need to even do this? Like,
is this like Travis Hunter, is it necessary for him
to go to the combine?
Speaker 8 (47:29):
Well, I think it depends on on what teams want
out of the draft. I mean because basically, you know,
some teams you know that are solid in you know
where they are as far as like you know, the
their their whole structure, like the Chiefs so to speak.
You know they're going to be looking at like, you know,
the long term. They're not going to be looking for
what's available to help positions of need, although they may
(47:51):
need offensive line. We talked about that, yeah for sure,
But you know, I think it depends on what the
team needs out of the draft. Is it something that
they just want some potential for long term, you know,
longevity from a player that looks like they have potential
and they can develop that player, or is it something
they need immediate help with.
Speaker 9 (48:08):
That's true, And I know, like the Rams, they didn't
even intend to draft. I don't think really yeah, I
mean that again, I don't think they had like a first, second,
third round pick, but I don't think they even sent
a scout.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
So some teams didn't even tend anybody. So let me
ask this question. It's just gonna this. This would be shocked.
You'll both be kind of shocked that I'm gonna.
Speaker 5 (48:27):
Ask this question. Are you gonna take Dion? Are you
gonna take let's just say, are you gonna Are you
gonna take them? Do you feel like you're gonna have
an issue with with with Dion?
Speaker 2 (48:40):
If yeah, I.
Speaker 9 (48:43):
Don't think I would. I don't think you're gonna have
that issue because I think probably that it seems like
they both mutually agreed like it's time to let go now.
The questions I have are just more base than to
again something that you said, you know at the beginning
of this past football season, is that again, when we
look at top quarterbacks, they all are quick, fast and
(49:04):
can reerly run the ball, not just scramble, but they
can run the ball in design run plays. Like I
said when we mentioned those top quarterbacks in the league
now who are having a success, And the question is
can you do that? And is your skill set good
enough to take us over the hump? Is your skill
set currently because really you can't run the ball. We
(49:25):
know that's what you can't do. Or is that something
that you'll be adding to your game? So that that
would be my question with him, And again I think
I would have the locker room question. Is he's a
guy that can you know that other guys would following
leads stuff like that. But even bigger than those questions physically,
can you do what we need you to do to win.
Speaker 5 (49:44):
Because it's different. It's different no matter who you played against.
It's different when you get there.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
And he showed he's tough at nails.
Speaker 9 (49:52):
Yeah, you can talk all the arrogant stuff, that kid
is tough as nails because he took some blows over
the last couple of seasons. But can you run rock?
Can we can? We can we give you a quarterback counter.
That's my question.
Speaker 5 (50:06):
See, I'm gonna I'm gonna say he's gonna think that
he can't now whether he you know, just.
Speaker 8 (50:14):
Comes with immaturity and just you know, your college days
and confidence from that and you know he's been successful.
Speaker 9 (50:21):
But if we do that in college, that's what I'm saying.
It ain't like he was, you know, doing what Jayleen
Hurston was doing in college.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
He wasn't. He wasn't like.
Speaker 6 (50:30):
Winning, I think is the point. I don't know. I
don't know.
Speaker 8 (50:35):
I mean, he looks like if a team feels like
they're confident enough in him, in his talents and what
he does have, they can develop the other parts is
what they would be thinking.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
I could buy that.
Speaker 5 (50:44):
I'm gonna say this because you look like that expressed
us to me isself a smaller I think I think
my fear that what I hope doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Okay, now I'm gonna put that out first. I think
he could end up becoming a locker room issue. I mean, well,
I can see that.
Speaker 6 (51:05):
Again because of Dad or why why do you.
Speaker 5 (51:07):
Think that I think I think I think Dad could be.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
I think that's brash.
Speaker 5 (51:18):
I would say that you can, you can, you can
be self confident in the locker room, but you can't
be you can't you It took well, let me rephrase that,
when we had the big trade and we got herschel Walker,
that locker.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Room never was ever comfortable, never recovered. It never recovered.
Speaker 5 (51:44):
Why we lost a ton of players that we were
buddies with and so on and so forth, and all
of a sudden, now we we've we've traded those guys off,
and we've got this one guy, herschel Walker, Like, dude,
what are you gonna do?
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Are you gonna help us on the whole team? You know?
Speaker 5 (52:00):
And again and then you're not Then you're not sociable either,
And again I get it that you're he's new to
the team, so he's he's kind of just kind of
walking around trying to figure things out. You know, who
can who's gonna talk to him, Who's gonna be his buddy?
Speaker 2 (52:14):
But I feel like.
Speaker 5 (52:16):
I feel like this is kind of the herschel Walker
kind of thing to where all of a sudden you
have all of these negative things behind him, you know,
because so there's gonna be some players who's gonna automatically
think Dad had something in this.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
I don't think you can beat that. You know, well,
they will say, I mean he's shown to improve on
the field.
Speaker 5 (52:36):
I mean, nobody cares about what you showed in college.
When you get there, you gotta show it. You gotta
show it in camp. You got to show it in camp.
And if he shows it, he'll get to do that
he deserves. If he doesn't that, there's gonna be a
locker room issue.
Speaker 8 (52:55):
Do you think he's gonna be drafted first or second
or even further back?
Speaker 2 (52:59):
I think so.
Speaker 9 (53:00):
I think it's gonna be down. I can see late round.
I can almost. I won't say I could. I almost
see second round a little bit. But I don't think
it's gonna be top ten. I don't either. But I
think people are thinking.
Speaker 7 (53:13):
Ward.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (53:13):
I think the first quarterback down. I'm curious of how
late he could go or even how early.
Speaker 9 (53:24):
Yeah, Because I think teams now you just can't afford
to blunder up these pics. You have to get guys
that can really come in and play like you know,
if you're like a for example, like a Cleveland Browns,
you gotta get a guy who can come in and
contribute today.
Speaker 6 (53:36):
You don't have time to really, you.
Speaker 9 (53:40):
Are weekend and I'm just not like I said, and
it's just outside of everything else. To me, it's just
the physical ability because I'm to me, I'm not. It's
not a one to one comparison. But he's a lot
like Dak Prescott in that. Again, I think he has
better accuracy and he has elite ball play. He doesn't
(54:01):
have a strong arm, and he just he's not immobile.
But he's not a runner.
Speaker 6 (54:07):
Well that's the truth, that's true.
Speaker 8 (54:09):
Then you know Jerry Jones is gonna snap him right,
he'll be all over that.
Speaker 5 (54:16):
Well, we'll see, I will tell you, ladies and gentlemen,
we're gonna get out of here.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
We appreciate your time. We will see you next week.
Speaker 4 (54:26):
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your feet, anything will be aware, yup. Even defeat shit
is a bath for you wise Vinetory Sweet couldn't play
with big kids.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
I had to sit in the.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
Street and watch from a distance. But over time I grew.
If I put in the work and no time, I'm
doing everything that I worked and prayed. I'm okay. If
you ask me how did I do it, I'm gonna say.
You gotta work, rime, Shine, just mine gotta show.
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Everybody is my time.
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Hein in.
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You gotta work, grind Shine, never mind who talk of
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