Hosts Carl Lee and Lisa Otey talk about the history and running of the Charleston Distance Run with Victoria Barksdale and Sissy Laing, Carl's sister. Plus, the discussion turns to the mindsets and training involved with distance running. (Spoiler alert: Carl is NOT a fan of distance running!) Then, the conversation turns to rookie QB's in the NFL this season. Let's Talk!
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, missus Carley with Let's Talk and
Today's show.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Do not blame it on me, all.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Right, you don't have to.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Actually, I actually have well as my as my co host.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Just dogs me. Lisa's in the building.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Hello, My uh my sister, we call her Sissy. Her
name is Carlotte, but we call her Sissy is here
and Victoria Barksdale. She is also here and they are
part of the Charleston Distance Run. Now, my distance is
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no more than three miles, so.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
With a lot of clothing.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Okay, we had that discussion off air, which your estate
off air, but.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
That that had so so one of.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
The things that has always intrigued me about the Charleston
Distance Run was it was the reality of how they
how they kind of market it, and how they get
so many people in it. So since like, I know,
so you've you've done it all but a couple of years.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Or something, you know, I've done it six years, six years,
six years way back when I was in high school.
And then the last year I've done the first leg
of a relay because they offer a relay and again
this year Victoria, I and I and one other person
will be doing the fifteen out relay. So that's somebody
runs three males, somebody runs five, and somebody runs seven.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Oh and somebody runs okay, who's running seven.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
Our friend Beth is going to do the seven which
is the last leg. It's all flat on the boulevard,
but it's on the boulevard and by then it is hot.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
It is hot, hot, hot.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Can imagine and Victoria will be going up what we
refer to bunnies from the hell, which is one nineteen.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Okay, okay, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
To even This is so far out of my mindset
of running. You know, I ran this morning, killed me.
I ran yesterday. I actually ran my three miles. I
got all of it, and you know, NonStop. I couldn't
even run fifteen yards in a road today. I can't
even imagine trying to run fifteen mounds, seven miles.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
None of that.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I mean, so, what are you telling yourself? Because I
know I know when I'm talking, I'm talking to myself.
It's all negative. It's like, we can just stop. We
don't need this. I don't I'm not interested in this.
Who's causing me to do this?
Speaker 6 (03:53):
I literally asked myself yesterday, are you crazy? Every time
the alarm went off at five point fifteen, I got
out of bed about five point thirty, got dressed, drove
from Nitro to u See, met up with girl gang.
It was about twelve of us and we ran ten
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or eleven miles in Kanas City yesterday.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Just and you say it like like it's just a
really super casual thing.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
You know, we run a lot and we're on Garmin.
We keep each other accountable so we can see when
everybody's running and working out. And so I see that
Sissy got up and ran five miles and I'm like, okay,
I gotta get out here. You know. It's that kind
of thing. So it's you know, I'm not one of
those people that I am a natural runner. I hate
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it every time, but it always feels good when it's over.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
Oh sure, yeah, you're always glad you did it. You're
always you're sad if you don't do it, but you're
glad that when you complete some thing like that, right, exactly.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
So I.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Don't even know if I even need to be part
of this show.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
Right, you can just go out the parking lot and
wait for the second half or whatever. But so Victoria
and and Sissy, thank you so much for being on
in the flyer you gave us. That's really nice. It's
got a lot of good information. Is there somewhere on
social media they.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Could they could get they could access this. Is there
a certain paper.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
You can go to Charleston Distance Run dot com. Okay,
and everything is there. There's a link to sign up
you can find out about the race history. You can
look at past races and see the times and everything.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
So I'm guilty of finding that site today.
Speaker 7 (05:40):
So I have some I've gotten some history about the
I'm a former teacher, so I like my research. I
like to be, you know, well prepared. But so, I,
like I said, I did do some research, and I
found that the first race, of course, this is the
fifty second running of it, correct, And the first rate
took place in nineteen seventy three and was organized by
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a man named Don Cohen.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Yes, oh yeah, I got my fight story.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I like it.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
I love it.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
So when he designed this race, and always correct me
if I'm wrong, he wanted to include as many Charleston
neighborhoods as possible, and he involved you know, of course
he started at the state Capitol, I believe, and then
at that time it was you know, he wanted the
east end, the west side, the South Hills area. Does
today's course still follow that original router is a little
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little varied.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
I think it varies because at I rented him in
nineteen seventy six.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Oh wow.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
At one time it was part of the regodds. Yes,
and it actually started over on at the pacifics Okay,
So it has changed a little bit because I start,
you know, at the Capitol, you know, across South Sudbury.
So it's changed a bit, not a lot.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Okay, Okay, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
When you say it's changed.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Are are you talking just specifically how and where you
go or have you seen this huge growth in people
running and the type of people who are running.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
So the race has changed. Like Sissy said, it used
to start at the Civic Center. Now it starts at
the Capitol. We do a loop actually, so you're on
canobul of Art a couple of times and at the
Capitol a couple of times. The race in I think
when it first started the first year was only a
couple of hundred people. But racing road racing itself was
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exploding that time in the early seventies, and so the
second year there were like thirteen hundred people running. Wow,
And I mean elite runners. We had you know, like
Kenyons come and you know, just you know Rogers, Yeah,
a lot of you know, really well known runners. The
marshals at the first one included Jesse Owens oh wow, okay,
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and Prefontaine oh wow. So it was that caliber of people.
They didn't run, but they were the marshals and so
that was just awesome. So there was a lot of
interest in it at that time. So now we have
we're almost at about six hundred people this year registered,
but runners are notoriously last minute for signing up, and
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so we're really looking for to have a lot of
folks come and run this year. So we have over
three hundred signed up for the fifteen mile and I
believe almost two hundred for the five k.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
So you all are not just quote runners, you all
are actually invested in its future and success.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Board members as board members, all.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Right, yeah, we are how many how many is actually
how many people are actually on the board do you know?
Speaker 6 (09:00):
We have about there's probably twenty on the board and
probably a core group of twelve or so that work
on it like year round. So we meet every month
to plan this thing because it is quite an undertaking.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
So you're saying that you meet every month after you've
run it.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
To plan for them, to plan for it. Absolutely, that's
a lot.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
That's a lot of work.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
That's a huge commitment.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
It is, and you know, I think we enjoy running
like I do hate it every time, but again, I
like it when I'm done.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
And I mean.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Charleston, for its size, has a really sizeable running community.
I mean, you'd really be surprised. We run with Girl Gang,
which is a local running group. There's tom and Track Club.
I mean, there's so many running clubs and just people
out running. We were running in Kanos City yesterday. We
passed so many people, you know, just groups of people,
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individuals running and I'm sure a lot of them are
training for the distance sun. So packet pickup is great,
you know, because you see all these people that Hey,
I see you out running in Troe, you running in
Saint Albans or whatever it is, And it's just great
to be able to connect with people and and see
people that are enjoying the same things that you do.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Well, if you all were to pass me when I
when I'm running in the morning, you would not be
able to convince me because all you're asking me to
do is run more. Oh my gosh, I don't think I.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Can have the more.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
I want to see his name. I want to see
him in that that distance run come Labor Day. I
want to see it happen. But yeah, we do too,
do you start training right now to see you will
help you.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
But so I could go in and run my three miles, right,
so there's a five k part of that. See what
what would bother me is as because I'm going I know,
for in fact, I'm gonna be in front of her. Okay,
I don't know that I'm gonna be in front of her.
If nothing else, I'm gonna be in front of her.
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Even if I have to, I will bet on sis.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Please.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Well, here's what I'll know. Here's what I know. By
the time we hit three miles, I'm gone.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
So she can go on as far as she wants
to go that far.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 7 (11:25):
So so Carl kind of touched on what I was
going to talk to you, to you ladies about. But
you know this event is it's kind of nicknamed America's
fifteen Mile Challenge, right, that's what I read. So, but
it's evolved, you said, it's now you know there's two
additional events besides the fifteen mile challenge. That's that's a
solo type of deal. So you've added the events that
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there's the three person relay I think you guys referred
to that a minute ago, and the five K, walk
and run. So tell us about those events. Do those
events take place before or after the main race? How
does how do those work?
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Actually everybody starts at the same.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
You're kidding, Okay, I thought they were different, separate events.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
We all now they divide the stroke. Okay, it's like, yeah,
kind of like five k over here, yeah, fifteen over
here because there is a you know, turn turn off.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Sure, so yeah, it all starts. That's exciting.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
It is very exciting.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
S See, you could, you could do it.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
It didn't do anything for me. I didn't all of
a sudden like the.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Yeah, my goodness.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
If you were doing that for me, you lost.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
A funny story last year, as Sissy mentioned, the five
k lines up on one side of the boulevard, fifteen
milers on the other. Well, there was a young woman
who got in the wrong lane. She ended up running.
She meant to be in the five k, she ended
up doing the fifteen mile. What And I was thinking
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there had to be some.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Point I would have around, and he said, look.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
I got the ball.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I'm sorry, or I'm just gonna stop. I made a mistake.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
That's the longest for the longest five miles I've ever
ran in my year like this will never end.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah that, Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not making
that mistake.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
And if I do make it, like I said, my
mind will, my mind and my body will tell me
I should have been in that other lane.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
I think so for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
And I'm walking out of that line.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
So since you have you you have had a background
in in running track, so I know kind of where
that comes from.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
You and and and they.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
On the we're on the four by four relay or
four by one relay back in the day, I think
you all won the state.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Yeah, when the stated that he did, don't be sure.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
So did you?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Could you ever imagine yourself going from being quote a
sprinter to actually being someone who's just going to go
out and just run, like I'm just running.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
What made you start running?
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Well, what made me start is back when I was
living in Maryland, I got into a group of women
and they were going to walk part of what was
considered the underground railroad. So no problem, we can walk.
But then I met a girl who was a runner
and she wanted somebody to run with. So I started
running with her and then I just continued to run,
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and then after a while becomes a habit.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Yeah. So for me, running is not is a habit.
It's like people who wake.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Up in the morning, you brush your teeth, wash your face.
Running is for me nothing.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
It's in your routine, right, routine. Yeah, and would have to.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Be So Victoria, what leave me alone with?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
So like, what where did you? What prompted you to
get into this?
Speaker 6 (15:05):
You know, my brother teases me all the time. He says,
you know, I tried to get you to run, you know,
when we were living at home growing up, and you
never would. He's like, now, you know, I can't get
you to not run. And I think when I was
in college, I my dorm was near the track. I
went to the University of Tennessee, and so the track
was like across the street and we had this thing
called the Bubble where they had all this workout equipment.
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And so I just started, you know, getting into being
in shape and you know, and kind of taking better
care of myself and things like that. And then I
started running like five k's and ten k's and things
like that. And I didn't run my first half marathon
until like I think it was two thousand and four
or something like that, but like Sissy said, you know
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it's something that I could do. I mean, I don't
I'm not fast. I'm not trying to get faster. I
walk a lot if I want to, sure, but it's
something that I enjoy, and so I just kind of
kept at it after that.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
See if I were if I were to switched out
and started walking, I don't even want to walk fifteen mounds.
There's nothing like And for folks who are interested in
maybe participating in running starting running, don't listen to me.
Yes please, I am not your example. I promise you, Like,
(16:28):
I just don't see, like I don't see being able
to get my mind wrapped around fifteen mounds now in walking,
I can see me seriously talking myself out of out
of walking, probably within a mile and a half.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Like what am I doing?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Like this is I better have a huge long play
this story.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Yes you're a former NFL player.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
That does not necessarily equate to loving working out. I
worked out, and anybody who is listening who knows my
workout regiment, it was. It was huge, Like it was hard.
It was not a joke, but there was there was
there was something on the end of it though, like
I needed to get the camp in shape.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I needed to be able to play and not.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Have to worry about gettator.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yes, and I have no motivation right now for fifteen
fifteen Miles does not say, well, Carl, you know what,
that's a good job.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
That ain't enough for me. That that just is not
enough for me.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
I dangle and carrot in front of it. Something shirt
I got.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I got fifteen drawers full of T shirt.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Just gonna ask him about that.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
And a metal.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I'm probably gonna lie to you and tell you I
did it, just as if I.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Can get the metal, I ain't gonna run it.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
There's just no way what I do so shameful tell
because what I like though, what this is, this is
what I like. This is like something that I totally
am so far away from and I can't grasp. And
then most things, and I think most people who are
in sports, they think that they can grasp everything. Like
you know, if you play football, you play basketball, you
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know everything.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Running is a whole another thing.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I know, you're running basketball, you're running football, you're running baseball.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Running as a sport, as a sport.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Itself, is a is a is a mind breaker.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Sure because every time I get out there, three miles
can break me.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I can't even I can't.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yes, and I want to continue to make sure that
everybody's clear on.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
That fifteen miles no shot. I'm not even going to
put it in as a goal.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
There's no I can't wake up in the morning and
say I'm going fifteen miles today.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I'm rolling right back over and going to bed. I'm
going to sleep.
Speaker 8 (19:00):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
People finish it in like an hour and fifteen twenty minutes.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
See, that's unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
Are these are those your runners that are professional runners, right,
They're the ones that that from marathon to marathon.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Yeah, and they get at the front of the line.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Yeah, you know they're a chance.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
You can see them, and I mean they run from
that first step and they are doing like, you know,
five and a half six minute See.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
See, I'm seeing your You're like when you're you're defining
you're when you're discussing that, Like I can see it
in your face, like you're like, Wow, I mean they're
doing something special. I'm looking at y'all and I'm thinking, Wow,
they're doing something special. I mean, because I just it
just is a different thing. Like I'm like, I'm impressed.
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To me, I'm impressed, and I hate to give this.
I hate to give her any kind of credit like
I have, but I'm impressed by the fact that she
has done this for so long because I know what
running like I've had, I've had to run it for sports,
and never ever fact that she would be doing this
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like every day, all day for fifteen miles, Like who
runs fifteen miles for what?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Not?
Speaker 4 (20:17):
You not me?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
So I'm I'm I'm highly impressed by that reality. And
then when you watch like track and you watch like
like even like the half moun they're running that thing.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Like it's a sprint, Like it's like it's nothing.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
You know, they finished, they bend over a little bit,
they walk and they're fine.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I'm dying.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
That's like say something called training in run in running, how.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Do they train for that kind of stuff?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
It's endurance, right, I mean, right, ladies?
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Or the longer lane yea, for the longer lives, say
like the half marathons, the marathons.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
How do you train for that?
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Well, I've done at this point, I've done fourteen halfs
and two marathons, and so see, so it is it
is a mindset. What we do is at that point,
a lot of times you will have somebody else that's
training for a marathon or training for something, and like
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uh Victoria said earlier, were part of girl gang and
you can always find somebody that will come along for
the run, even if they're not training for a marathon
or a half.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
They hold you accountable.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Yeah, yeah, we hold each other accountab Where were you?
Speaker 9 (21:39):
Which I beg you'll go, Oh.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
My goodness, I'm going to ask a legitimate question to
these ladies. Take the focus off of your non running
abilities for a second. So Victoria, I noticed your shirt
and it's it's so pretty. I love that collar on
you and it's the Charleston Distance Run from last.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Year twenty twenty four.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
Do you guys have merch available? Do you have to
actually be a part of one of the events to
purchase merchandise or can you go to the website and
do it?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Well?
Speaker 6 (22:15):
You can come to our packet pick up okay, and
that will be at hat Ad Riverfront Park on Friday,
August twenty ninth this year from three to eight and
we will have souvenir shirts. We have some hats there.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Oh yeah, I see your hat now, I like that hat.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I like that hat. Yeah, be mine.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Sometimes it does cost to come on the show.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Don't let them to Charleston dist I like it a
little sass.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
They need to get me a hat.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Yeah, sure, I'm gonna come down to hat Ad. You
can look at our merchandise that we have there, and
you know, hopefully we'll have more in the future that
people can just buy. But usually historically it has been
like for our runners they come into town, sure they
can look at things, but we do have extras and
stuff from previous years as well.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
That's nice.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
What would be what what would be the biggest challenge
for either one of you or for both of you
to try to run? Now, I mean because if you
run marathons, I meant, I mean that's as far as
typically as far as they run it, right, Is there
something out there that intrigues you to say, like, you
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know what I would love to do that? Is there
something that out there there I'll go first.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Both faces was like, oh, yeah, likes.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
Well, I've never done a marathon, okay, and honestly I
don't have the desire to do it, but I'm happy
with the half there. I really am so I've done
a couple of those, and I think that's probably my
length to do. So a challenge for me might be
like doing one, you know, in every state or on
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every continent or something like.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
That, just just just as a way of traveling.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
As a way of traveling. Yeah, I went to Rio
last year and when I was there, we were at
the Christ the Redeemer statue and there was a marathon
and I was like, oh my god, I wish I
checked one off my list. So that kind of you know,
running tourism.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
That's nice.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
When they have these marathons, they also include shorter races
in them, right usually Okay, yeah, I didn't know that.
I didn't really know that as a fact. So when
I hear a marathon, I just flipped the page or
turned the station and I'm out.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
And they know not everyone wants to run a marathon,
or you.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Know, have something for everybody.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
So there's everybody, ok, and K a half marathon as
part of a race as well.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Sissy.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Victoria knows I have ran. They have what they call majors,
so the major marathons, which is Boston and New York
and London and all the majors. So I have what
they call it's called an Abbot star. So I have
my one for Chicago because it's a major. So my
goal is to run the other five. But age also
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is a factor because as you age it gets a
little harder to train at that you know, twenty six
point two miles.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
But that's my goal.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
We'll see.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
That's amazing. You didn't tell me about this.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Because it doesn't register stopping.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
I'm sorry, sissy, Sorry, we love it.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Come on, Carl, there's no thought in my mind.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I'm tired because they're on show, they're talking about on
the show.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
I have a legitimate question, Carl, be quiet, all right.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
So ladies, you know the history of the race. It
originally took place with the storm Will Regatta in conjunction
with that, and that always happened on Labor Day weekend,
so the race continues to be on Labor Day weekend.
Is there any talk or any chance of kind of
reuniting it with the new Regotti since it's come back
and having it like over the fourth of July, have
(26:27):
you has the committee ever considered that or is it
ask about that?
Speaker 6 (26:31):
Okay, okay, and we haven't discussed it. I don't want
to say, seriously, we haven't discussed it a lot, but
it does come up from time to time.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
It's probably nice to have the spotlight just on you
guys on that weekend, right, rather than kind of being
in the shadow of a big city festival or whatever.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
I'd like for us to try it, okay, see, yeah,
you know, because we'd love to have like more people participate,
and the regatta draws you know, a lot of people,
and so I hope that one year we can at least.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
I'm sure the mayor would love that. I'm sure she would.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
What would be the reason why they wouldn't want to
combine that?
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Well, didn't it at one time?
Speaker 4 (27:14):
I'm at one time?
Speaker 6 (27:16):
I think maybe they stopped having the regatta.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Yes, that's what happened, and so they continued to have
the Charleston Distance.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Yeah, that never quit. That never stopped.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
They never stopped. So the regatta at one time had stopped.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
What would it what would what do you all think
it would take to make that I'll just say combining
the two.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
I don't think it's a no necessarily a no. It
would probably be more of getting together with the city
and just you know, talking it out and you know, saying, hey,
you know, here's an idea. Just kind of throw stuff
out there just to see where it goes.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
And the city is a big supporter. They're one of
our major supporters every year, and we're so thankful for
all the services that they provide, the police officers, a
lot of city services go into making this race run.
So I think that might be another consideration, Like because
the regatta is already.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
A lot Yeah, I can understand that could be.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
You know, just that extra manpower and capacity at that
time could be an issue too. But I think it
is worth talking about because we do get that question
a lot.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, that that that really does make sense because you know,
if they're doing all these different things, you know, now
they're spreading themselves out, that could be more of a challenge.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Yeah, because they have the bikes. They do the bikes,
and you know, they just have a lot going on.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Are there is a bike ride?
Speaker 5 (28:46):
There is no it was a bike oh yeah, So
they just they have stuff going on. So, like Victoria
says it, you know.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
But it could be a draw for you guys, Like
you said, I mean, since there's going to be more
out of town people here for the regatta, you know
you're gonna probably naturally get more runners to come and participate,
So I don't know, I thought that was something interesting
to talk about.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
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Speaker 1 (30:45):
I'm gonna do something that I'm totally uncomfortable with, which
I already have to share share my time.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
With with with miss Odi. And she used me, She
usedly dogs me and treats me bad.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
See what they see, Hollis is in here.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
So now I'm going to allow these two young ladies.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
To talk about just make sure that everybody has some
information about the distance run.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
And my fear is is we.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
May be here tomorrow, so hopefully we could get this
done before the show is over. But we'll see, all right, Sis, whichever.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
One, whichever one of you all want to start Victoria?
Speaker 6 (31:35):
Okay, yeah, So the Charleston Distance Run is taking place
on Saturday, August thirtieth. This year, we'll have packet pick
up on Friday, August twenty ninth.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
This packet to pick up.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
Packet pickup is when you come and you get your
what we call your swag bag. Oh okay, and you
also get your bib. So every runner or walker wears
a bib. It has a chip on it that times you.
So you'll cross mats different locations along the route. So
that's how we keep track of you on the course
and also track your time.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Oh that's cool.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Can people register actually that night in Victoria a.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
Packet pick up? Okay, okay, Now it is cheaper. Now
it's going to go up a couple of times, so
you'll save about ten dollars if you go to Charleston
Distance run dot com now and sign up. But yes,
you can sign up online until noon on Friday, or
you can come in at packet pick up and sign up.
Sign up there, okay, yeah, yeah. And so packet pickup
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is also a great time because all of the runners
come in so you kind of see everyone. We have
a pasta dinner there.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Oh nice.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
So everyone can carve up and you can buy tickets
for family members if they aren't registered to run. But
it's a great opportunity to kind of just meet people. Again.
It's a great running community, people that you see from
time to time, so it's really great to be able
to connect with them and see people there packet pick
up and then the race starts at seven point thirty
at the Capitol. We have a short ceremony before that,
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and then all the runners start at the same time
and we meet up at Lately Field.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Since anything else, so I just really wanted to really
shout out the community in general, because on top of
all the board members and things that go into the
Charleston Distance Run, we have over two hundred and fifty
people who man the water stations throughout the race. Some
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of them are we have girls basketball teams and guy
basketball teams, and school teachers and people who are bank
from the bank and people who are families who've done
it for many years. We have people who have manned
the traffic at certain spots and even though we now
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have ambassadors who will be doing that, they come out
every year and you know, help us with the volunteer
and so I just really wanted to shout them out
because without them it would not be possible.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Oh it's nice.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
And we also want to shout out our race director,
Carol Phipps Hade. She is the first ever female race
director for the Charleston Distance Run. This is her second
year doing a fabulous job. We've you know, made lots
of changes to the race, so we're really excited about that.
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I serve as the secretary and then Karen Moore is
our treasurer. So we have an all female race executive
committee for Charleston Distance Run as well. So we're really
really proud of that.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Girl power. Yeah power, you hear that, right, I hear that.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
But we want to shout out our men on the
because they are amazing.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
I mean, it takes everybody what it does, because I.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
Mean T shirt designs we just don't, you know, we
just don't pop up. We have, you know, somebody that
does the T shirts and somebody who does the medals,
and you know, we have medical team at the end.
We just have you know, lots of people in the
community that make the Charleston Distance Rump possible.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
And we wanted to be a community event. I'm sorry,
we wanted to be a community event and we want
people to come out. And you know, it really is
about health and fitness too. So it's not just about competition,
it's not just about speed. We really see running and
being active, walking, jogging, whatever you can do, just taking
that first step, it's really important to improving the health
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of us as individuals and in our community. So that's
that's another big goal for the Distance Run is to
really give people opportunities and help them become you know,
healthier as well.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
And I think too, to your point, if someone were
to come out and try to run or even walk
the Distance Run, I think they would they would think
to themselves, Okay, I want to keep I want to
keep doing this. This was good. I want to keep
doing this. And then at some point they're going to say,
(36:16):
all right, you know what, I think I'm going to
just try to run a little bit and you know,
just to see it and before you know it, now
they're running now. Once they're running now, and they're starting now,
the first thing comes to their mind is like, let's compete.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
You know, I want to compete, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
I don't want to just I don't want to just
run and be last.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
You know.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I think I've got some people up there. I think
if I train a little bit harder, I can pass it,
you know. And and I think that's an important kind
of process that I.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Think people can look at.
Speaker 6 (36:51):
Just start exactly know, if you just start, get off
the couch.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Get off the couch, just get out there and just
watch people run. And because you can admire them running,
you know, if you're if you're running fifteen miles twenty
kind of if you're running above three miles, I'm impressed already.
So you know, I'm looking at you now. I will
say this, I'm too old to change, so I'm not
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going to I won't necessarily I'll be impressed, but I
won't be trying to do it. But if you're young,
there's really, true, truly an opportunity for you to get
yourself off that couch, get yourself out of the house.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
This is that kind of an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
This is the kind of opportunity that gives you a
chance to like, Hey, I'm out there with.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
All these people with a common goal. Just finish it.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yes, absolutely, not just first, not just just I'm just
gonna finish it. And to me, I think for a
lot of people who could benefit from it, just start it.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Just go out and just start it.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Do it right. Yeah, just do it Mike, you said.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
And a great way to start is Sissy and I
are also part of a group called park Run and
it's really an international group and we are so fortunate
to have one here in Charleston.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (38:14):
It meets every Saturday at Magic Island. It's a free
weekly timed five k. So a five k is three
point one miles. So we start a Magic Island, go
all the way down to the old drug Eporium. I
hate saying that, I'm miss drugging. Wow, back to Magic Island.
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We take a loop around and that's three point one miles.
People are out there, running, walking, jogging, pushing strollers, walking dogs.
I mean it's about seventy people out there every week.
So you have your support community, people who are holding
you accountable, people who are looking for you, to show up.
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And it's not a race. It's not a race. You
get time. I don't look to see where Sissy finished.
I look to see if I got better than I
was last week.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
You're competing against yourself, that's.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
Right, that's it, and you're in community to do that.
So I want to invite everyone out to park Run
every Saturday. People are there, so you have a community
you can meet. Where did you say it starts at
Magic Magic Eyeland one time at eight o'clock and then
it switches when the time changes. But for right now
eight o'clock.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Okay, so you asked that question as if you might show.
Speaker 7 (39:30):
Up for you, I'll think about it.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
I'll cheer them.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Christe, I was I was going to say, Okay, if
Lisa shows up, I'll show up.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
I do walk.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (39:48):
The only problem for me, and this is probably ridiculous,
I'm sure, but I have need issues. So you know,
for me, jogging and running is it's hard, not the
endurance part. I think I would be fine with that.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Carl. I don't know about that high, but I can.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
I can walk.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
I mean I walk long distances you know in Kanas
cities where I live. But but kudos to you guys.
I mean I wish I could do that, you know,
I think it's amazing and I'm impressed.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
We have walkers. Well, so.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
That was not here.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
That's not that's not a get out of because actually
in our group of Girl Gang, we have walkers. We
have a tail walker. Actually, uh, what.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Is the tail walker?
Speaker 5 (40:31):
So the tail walker finishes last in the Charleston distance run,
so nobody else has to oh wow, so.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, sign up. But I can be as far as
I could.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Be, That's not how it works as long as I'm lasting.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
No, you have to at least be close to the
person that's in front of you.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
See, that's that's what that's called, is a family rule
right there. You don't have the ability to change that.
All that matters is I'm last. That's all that matters.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
There is a course limit.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
So okay, so I'm last, and the course is going
to say, what well are you?
Speaker 2 (41:16):
You st you short?
Speaker 1 (41:18):
You were short of you came in too fast, of
your slow?
Speaker 4 (41:25):
What did you just say?
Speaker 5 (41:29):
Anyway, we welcome every pace, every if you walk, we
have walkers we have through the Girl Gang, we have
this thing. We don't leave anybody behind. So if you
come out on a long run, so we usually do
them on Sundays. You're not getting left behind. Somebody is
going to be there with you. So you know, people say, well,
(41:51):
I don't want to do that. I don't want to
slow anybody down. That's just what we do. It's a community,
you know, so you're helping.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
We will get it involved in it. Oh that's cool.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Because people and the camaraderie of it.
Speaker 7 (42:03):
I mean it's got to be just nice just to
see that, you know, get together with your friends and
get some fresh air and yeah.
Speaker 6 (42:11):
And I mean we have new people joining. We have
people when they come into town they are looking for
a group to run with, and so they'll come out
and run with us on Sunday because they have.
Speaker 7 (42:21):
Their own group when they're in their own hometown, so
they just find yours.
Speaker 6 (42:25):
Ye. So we have a lot of tourists that come
and run with us. And there's a tail walker for
the Chalceton distance run and there's always a tail walker,
which is actually I think where we got the idea
for park run. So for people who come out on Saturday,
I promise you you will not be last.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I thought we were going to go for it, but.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
We've been together doing this for a long time.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Well, you know, I'm I'm really super proud of both
of you all for the simple fact that.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Not beyond the past, beyond the running, just the.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Whole concept of all of the things that you're it's
still like reaching out to people to get them part
of something. I think that I think that is that
is critical today for you got people who don't know
what to do, and they don't want to do anything
without somebody, and running sometimes can be that thing that
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you all are using to bring them in. And I
think that's you know, I think that's something that's really
pretty special.
Speaker 7 (43:46):
Especially with today's social and political climent. This is something
that is so needed, is group community partnerships, you know,
being able to get together and and you know, just
take a break from everything.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
Absolutely, I think we all need that we do.
Speaker 6 (44:03):
There are so many people at home who may not
really have a group of friends. I mean, people who
have friends are really fortunate, right and just for a
number of reasons. Sometimes we lose track of people. We're
in a new city whatever, you know, and people are
looking for connection, sure, and so this is a great way.
And again you don't have to be fast. You don't
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have to run, you know, it's just a great group
of people. After park run, we meet at Mia Kaupa
on big Ley Avenue. Lots of opportunities just to you know,
(44:46):
be with people, to meet people, to to get active,
to get healthy, and I mean, it's just it's a
lot of fun. It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
Sounds like it.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
All right, Well, we're gonna let We're gonna let you.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
We we don't have much time left, but we're gonna let
you to go for since you've given us enough information
enough for me to know that I don't run and
run with either one.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
If you are.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
But hopefully, but hopefully it'll inspire a whole lot of
other people who are looking for something to do.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
So I do appreciate you both coming. Thank you, appreciate.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Switching conversations drastically. Yes, all right, let me just I'm
gonna start this way, Lisa with you. All right, So,
typically when you when camp starts and you're you're everybody's
in camp, your first scrimmage is usually something along the
(45:45):
lines against the backups. You know, you don't go against
your first team guys, and so you know, so I'm
my assumption is Shador who I think played extremely well.
And and the question that I have with that is
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was that against.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
The first team.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
I'm going to assume if he was there, if he started,
then he probably faced the first team, because the first
team will be the you know, the first group will
be out there. They could be out there for a
couple of series. They could be out there for a quarter,
maybe half, and then they're pretty much done. But it
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appears though that he can play at this level if
all things are equal, and he's playing against the top rated.
Speaker 7 (46:45):
Guy right right, And that remains to be seen, because
I'm not sure. I couldn't I can give you his numbers.
You know, he had a strong showing and this was
against the Carolina Panthers. He was fourteen for twenty three
passing for one hundred and thirty eight yards. He had
two TD passes and nineteen yards rushing on four attempts,
which is not horrible for his first time out there
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in an an NFL atmosphere. But I think time will
tell their second scrimmage game or scrimmage preseason game. It
is scrimmage in a way, right Their second season game
is preseason is going to be against the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
So I'm thinking if he can.
Speaker 7 (47:24):
Repeat this performance, because I'm thinking the Cleveland staff probably
like what they saw, and he's going to get a
shot against the Philadelphia Eagles in that game. If he
can continue this type of performance, then you know they've
got some quarterback controversy in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
I think so. But here's what is intriguing to me.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
If you're competing against somebody's second team, right, you know, rookies,
basically that's not really the first team. That's not really
what you're going to see. Now, I'm not gonna make
that I'm not making and I'm not really trying to
make the case that he can't play up to that level.
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I'm just what I don't know is who he's actually
playing against. And no matter how long this goes, until
you get to to the realization of can he handle
the pressure? Can he get hit? And because he can
avoid it, he can avoid the hits, which is great,
which is great, great, great, great? What if he gets hit?
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Has he been hit yet?
Speaker 7 (48:34):
And that's something I was going to bring up in
my next next piece of this conversation, But it's not
so much I think what the coaching staff, It's not
so much.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
The numbers. The numbers are good, right, the numbers are impressive.
Speaker 7 (48:46):
I think it's what the staff saw of his performance
on the field past the.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Numbers, leadership and stuff.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
They liked.
Speaker 7 (48:53):
They liked that he was decisive, that was something that
he could he was he was doing well with he
threw the ball.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
I can do really well.
Speaker 7 (49:02):
They did state and this was just what the staff said,
And this is something I want you to kind of
explain in Layman Layman's terms to me, but they said
he needs to handle pressure, which you just brought that up.
The other thing they mentioned was something about cleaning up
his pocket presence. Explain that like in Layman's terms.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
As a as a defensive player, I'll describe what I
can assume that that that's what he what what they're saying. Okay, there,
when you're in the pocket, there's a there's a calmness
that you have to have because there's people coming from
the right, from the left, up the middle. Your presence,
if you panic and you're moving around, you're you're you're
(49:44):
jerking around kind of trying to find a place to go,
and then you still throw the ball and you throw it.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Great, that's good.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
But you've got to be able to stay in the
pocket so that the route itself can develop.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Okay, and you can still stay in the post.
Speaker 7 (49:55):
Do you have to be able to see the whole
field is what you're saying, and not freak out.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
And not yes, not leave the pockets just because you
feel some pressure. Right, most quarterbacks today, you know when
you start talking about that running quarterback, that running quarterback
has to have still has to have the ability to
be able to be in the pocket. Okay, find figure
out what the defense is, figure out where I should
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throw the ball before I have to move. Now obviously,
if there's a blitz and somebody's coming right up the middle, yeah,
you got to move right away. I think what they're
trying to get him to do is to maybe stay
just in the pocket, read it just a little a
tad bit longer and see and anticipate where the opening
is going to be.
Speaker 7 (50:39):
So for you, which which would be your more wanted
quality in your quarterback on the field. Would it be
the decision making in the in the being able to
throw the ball accurately or is it more of the
pocket presence and pressure handling I mean, or you have
to have all of it.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
I think you have to have all of it. But
if I had to pick one, I would probably have pocket.
To be able to handle being in the pocket. The
pocket presence, okay, because when you run, you're you're you're
just running. As an athlete. Now that can that can
show up, but at some point in time being a quarterback,
you have to be able to be in the pocket, right,
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find a receiver, throw the ball him, catch it, and
you keep.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
You have to be able to do that. You can't
just run.
Speaker 4 (51:28):
So he's not in the zone yet, as Dante would say.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
No, I don't think. I don't I don't think.
Speaker 7 (51:33):
He's he's and he's young, and he's a rookie, so
he shouldn't be in the zone.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Really, And he understands his athleticism and his ability to run,
and he can and I'm not taking away from his
ability to throw, because he can throw the ball, but
what he can trust all the time is his ability
to run the ball to get out of the pocket
and go. You've got to stay in that pocket. You
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got to find a way to stay in that pocket, sure,
and find that guy that is open. Because you're just
a running back. If you're going to keep running.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
Yeah, well, it's something I wanted to bring.
Speaker 7 (52:13):
I mean, he's been the talk, of course, you know,
dominated all of the shows on ESPN because of the
controversy with the draft and his dad in DIONSO. But
you know, there were thirty I'm sorry thirteen quarterbacks or
drafted in April. Eleven of them have suited up for
their respective teams during the preseason, which I thought was
pretty impressive. I mean, because that doesn't always happen with
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your rookie quarterbox.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
No, no it doesn't. And what I'm thinking has happened,
and I can't confirm this. You might have looked this up.
Most of these guys who were drafted in the first
round are probably guys that they are hoping or expecting
to be Zerios.
Speaker 4 (52:53):
Stars this year.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
Compete, okay, because even if I can compete against you,
I'm making you better.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
So can I compete to early?
Speaker 7 (53:02):
Isn't that early expectation of a rookie to to expect
them to go? I mean I've always like had the perception,
I guess of the draft is you usually have a
quarterback that you have a lot of confidence in, but
kind of like an Aaron Rodgers Jordan Love situation where
you know that the end is near. You know Father
Tom is going to be, you know, victorious in the end,
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and so you're planning for future endeavors. Are these are
these tepics that desperate with their quarter present quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
I think what they what they're seeing is they're seeing
a quarterback, a potential quarterback that they can do a
lot with.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
And I can't pass that up because.
Speaker 6 (53:43):
Right I'm on the gate.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
Well, I might be the quarterback now.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
And let's say I'm seven years in and I'm I'm
good enough to start, I'm good enough to lead us
to the playoffs. But we haven't gotten past that. And
there's a quarterback in the draft aft that's pretty good,
and we've got an opportunity to get him. I can't
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wait till the second round. He's gonna be gone, so
I've got to get him first round. So now I'm
getting him first round. And now I feel like I'm
in a situation where if my if my returning quarterback
is solid, he can he can get a year under
his belt of watching, getting some experience. Then that second year, now,
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now we got some true competition. But you could also
have that competition in the very first year. Okay, because
if you because Cleveland has it, they do have a
starting quarterback Joe Yeah.
Speaker 4 (54:44):
Yeah, and he was pretty secure.
Speaker 7 (54:45):
But now you know, since Shudor and if he repeats
this performance, you know, if if they go in against
the Eagles and he can do this or even better
than what he did, you know you're gonna have some talk.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
But here's the question.
Speaker 4 (54:57):
More talk.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Who's getting the most.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
Or I'm thinking Shador is hitting the most play why
because we already know what we already know what he
can do.
Speaker 4 (55:08):
We know we don't know what this preseason and you
don't want to get your.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Story, don't want to get him.
Speaker 7 (55:11):
We don't want to They need to be wrapped, you know,
in bubble wrap at this point. I mean the way
they some of them have been hurt, I mean some
of the players in the preseason games. But I just
find it, I don't know, I mean, to me, that
seemed like a high number for the thirteen drafted that
eleven have already had a chance to get out there
and play.
Speaker 1 (55:30):
Is most teams are going to put people are going
to put the rookies out in the first preseason game. Okay,
they're going to put them out just as as many
as they possibly can.
Speaker 7 (55:41):
Okay, just so they can get in the value wills
and make some decisions about we don't want to.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
We don't want our starting quarterback to play in the
first preseason game.
Speaker 11 (55:49):
I'm going to throw something out here at you guys,
do Aaron Rodgers forty one years old, Kirk Cousins thirty
six years old, Matthew Stafford thirty six years old, Russell
Wilson thirty six years old, Geno Smith thirty four years old.
A lot of these guys, if they haven't retired recently,
they're getting ready there right there. This is rookie season
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every year for the next few years in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
And and if you're the if you're if you're that
quarterback that's in the draft, you're happy.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
Yeah, absolutely, Because here's here's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
I would love one year to learn from one of
those names. I'd like to watch them, even if they're
at the end of their at the end of the rope,
they're gonna they're mentally they're gonna show you something. They're
gonna show you how to make this drastic decision in
the heat of the pocket.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
That's something that you can't really coach.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
I mean, I would love And I had the opportunity
as a as a defensive back to see a guy
who had played at LSU, who had been.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
Starting with the Vikings for tons of years.
Speaker 1 (56:54):
I got a chance to see him for a couple
of years and see how he operated, how he handled himself.
And I marked that right because like I'm thinking, this
is what you know, this is what a starting quarter
corner looks like.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
I need to I need to mimic that.
Speaker 11 (57:12):
So there's some kind of change that's happened, I feel
like in the last ten or fifteen years too, because
it's not like it used to be where Aaron Rodgers
comes after Brett Favre or Tom Brady comes after Drew bledsoe,
you know, they were kind of in the in the
wings waiting.
Speaker 2 (57:27):
For a few years. Absolutely, that doesn't seem to be
the case. And I think especially Cleveland, and I.
Speaker 1 (57:33):
Think I think that's a bad yeah, And I think
that's a bad thing because I really truly have to
say that seeing somebody watching somebody mimicking what it what
they're doing a little bit and taking some of mine
into it, I think is truly important at that level
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because playing college ball is not playing pro ball. So
what you learned is not what you're going to necessarily.
Speaker 7 (58:04):
You know, it's obviously it's a whole differences afferent animal.
Speaker 11 (58:09):
Don't you think it maybe also has something to do
it maybe contributes to longevity there too. When we spend
two or three years watching the number one guy, when
you're maybe the number two guy that gets to come
in later in the game or when somebody needs a
blow for a play or two, you're not playing every
single down. As soon as you're drafted your first second year,
you got a little bit of time to kind of
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get used to it, get used to that level of play,
and I would have to think that would make you
have potentially no longer career with you know, notwithstanding any
injuries or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (58:43):
Here's the problem though, when you come in, Okay, I'm
a guy who's a seventh round pick, right like, I
want to play now, sure you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (58:51):
I want to and you want a chance to show
that you belong. So you belong on that field.
Speaker 2 (58:55):
So imagine coming as a second rounder or a first rounder.
You you're not thinking you're sitting.
Speaker 1 (59:01):
Yeah, you know, and they're paying me all that kind
of money what I'm making because here's the thing, I
could be making more than you, Lisa, because I came
in this year, you've been you're at the end of
your contract. I'm making more than you. That makes me
think anyway, that I'm already better than you. You're paying
I'm paying You're paying me more than what they're paying you. Yeah,
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that's should be playing.
Speaker 2 (59:23):
Yeah, that's in your head.
Speaker 7 (59:25):
Well, and I'm going to just really quick just switch
lanes here. We're still talking preseason football. But you know,
the past week and we've talked about this in the thread, Carl,
the injuries, Yes, the severity of the injuries. I mean,
you know you had that Ravens cornerback. I think it was,
you know, taking off the field in an air cast.
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For me, I think it's the for the players, you know,
it can be for the unlucky ones, it's a devastating
ending to their career or to their their their year,
possibly their career before or you know, the fans even
know who they are, like what you're saying, they're out
there fighting for their livelihood in these preseason games and
they're gonna hurt They're going to hit people hard, and
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I don't know, I don't want to say they have
the intention of hurting people, but they definitely have the
intention of making a name for themselves right right, And
that's a dangerous situation.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
It's to me, I mean, think about it.
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
You're you're you're you're a first round draft pick, which
I was not, and you go in with the expectation
of playing. You're going to do any and everything that
you possibly can to show that you.
Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
Belong in there, which can be over the top, which.
Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Could be over the top, It definitely can be.
Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
Over the top unsafe.
Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Yes, Okay, you're you're risking that.
Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
That's kind of my point.
Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Okay, you're that physical guy and coming in and you're
going to try to make up a stance so that
you're starting.
Speaker 7 (01:00:53):
So do we need this many preseason games? Then if
that's the case, do we really?
Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
But it could happen in practice, Well, it's sure can
can happen in practice because you've got scrimmages in practice.
Speaker 7 (01:01:04):
But the likelihood when they know the camera's on and
the fans are watching and they're making a name for themselves,
you know, I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Accidents happen
and players get hurt. But I do feel the atmosphere
at a preseason game is more conducive to people. Especially
you've got brand new kids out of college that they
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really don't understand the game, yet they're out there, you know,
feeling their way. And you've got some veteran players out
there probably that have been on the roster trying to
stay on the roster and they're making a name for themselves.
Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
It can be a recipe for disaster.
Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
It can be, But I think that just comes that
comes with with with football. I think it comes with
football at any level, you know, and it comes in it.
I think it's I think it's rooted in every sport
with the idea of the new guy coming in wanting
to play.
Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Sure, and I'm giving you everything.
Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Now, football is a little bit way more physical than
any of the other sports.
Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
We can make that case.
Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
And what you have to do to impress, Like for
me to have to impress the defensive coordinator and the
head coach coach, I got to be able to cover
and I got to be able to hit somebody.
Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
Is it preseason four or three?
Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Matt, It used to be four.
Speaker 11 (01:02:18):
I think it's are we down to two now?
Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
I think I think you're right.
Speaker 11 (01:02:21):
I think it's just too yeah, yeah, because they added
that seventeenth game, and now I think it down two.
Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
What did you do? Well? Are you really doing that swap?
Speaker 11 (01:02:31):
Well, here's the numbers part of it though, too. If
you think about like the NBA, you got what maybe
twelve guys on your roster, eleven twelve, even major League Baseball,
I mean you're only like around thirty or so, You've
got a fifty or fifty six man roster. I think
for the NFL, you got a lot of guys. You
got to figure out what can they do? And some
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of that you're not going to be able to figure
out in practice. Right, So they keep gotting back this preseason.
But I mean, is it really I mean, is it
doing them.
Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
In a well, think about it this way. This is
how I This might be bad, but this is how
I look at it. If I've already given you seven
hundred million dollars, five of us guaranteed, and I'm bringing
Lisa in and she plays the same position as you,
I already know where you're gonna be less, I pay
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her more than you. If I pay her more than you,
then I know where she's gonna be. You gonna you
don't have to worry about getting hurt. You'll be over
on the side.
Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
I mean, yes, I think.
Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Where they are now or they are protecting trying to
protect those guys who are making that money as much
as they possibly can.
Speaker 7 (01:03:42):
And it goes back to our esteemed guest last week, Stirling.
You know when I pose the same question to him,
what do you think of preseason? And he basically answered,
and this isn't exact words, maybe it is, I don't know,
but I can't remember, but he did say, if you
don't think every single move that this league makes is
not related or about money, yeah, then you just you're sadly,
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you know you're miscotted. It's all about money. It's not
about anything else but money.
Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
It's true, and and it's and it's shameful because shame
The money is already so good. Why are you Why
are you worried about it that much more? It's just
it's just a shame, you know. But hey, that's the
game I played and we all love.
Speaker 7 (01:04:28):
So Carl's late for a marathon. He's gonna get out
of here, all right, make marathon Tom.
Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
There's no chance on that one. Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
We appreciate you listening and we will be back again
next week.
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, missus Carley with Let's Talk and
Today's show.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Do not blame it on me, all.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Right, you don't have to.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Actually, I actually have well as my as my co host.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Just dogs me. Lisa's in the building.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Hello, My uh my sister, we call her Sissy. Her
name is Carlotte, but we call her Sissy is here
and Victoria Barksdale. She is also here and they are
part of the Charleston Distance Run. Now, my distance is
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no more than three miles, so.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
With a lot of clothing.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Okay, we had that discussion off air, which your estate
off air, but.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
That that had so so one of.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
The things that has always intrigued me about the Charleston
Distance Run was it was the reality of how they
how they kind of market it, and how they get
so many people in it. So since like, I know,
so you've you've done it all but a couple of years.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Or something, you know, I've done it six years, six years,
six years way back when I was in high school.
And then the last year I've done the first leg
of a relay because they offer a relay and again
this year Victoria, I and I and one other person
will be doing the fifteen out relay. So that's somebody
runs three males, somebody runs five, and somebody runs seven.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Oh and somebody runs okay, who's running seven.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
Our friend Beth is going to do the seven which
is the last leg. It's all flat on the boulevard,
but it's on the boulevard and by then it is hot.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
It is hot, hot, hot.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Can imagine and Victoria will be going up what we
refer to bunnies from the hell, which is one nineteen.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Okay, okay, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
To even This is so far out of my mindset
of running. You know, I ran this morning, killed me.
I ran yesterday. I actually ran my three miles. I
got all of it, and you know, NonStop. I couldn't
even run fifteen yards in a road today. I can't
even imagine trying to run fifteen mounds, seven miles.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
None of that.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I mean, so, what are you telling yourself? Because I
know I know when I'm talking, I'm talking to myself.
It's all negative. It's like, we can just stop. We
don't need this. I don't I'm not interested in this.
Who's causing me to do this?
Speaker 6 (03:53):
I literally asked myself yesterday, are you crazy? Every time
the alarm went off at five point fifteen, I got
out of bed about five point thirty, got dressed, drove
from Nitro to u See, met up with girl gang.
It was about twelve of us and we ran ten
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or eleven miles in Kanas City yesterday.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Just and you say it like like it's just a
really super casual thing.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
You know, we run a lot and we're on Garmin.
We keep each other accountable so we can see when
everybody's running and working out. And so I see that
Sissy got up and ran five miles and I'm like, okay,
I gotta get out here. You know. It's that kind
of thing. So it's you know, I'm not one of
those people that I am a natural runner. I hate
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it every time, but it always feels good when it's over.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
Oh sure, yeah, you're always glad you did it. You're
always you're sad if you don't do it, but you're
glad that when you complete some thing like that, right, exactly.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
So I.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Don't even know if I even need to be part
of this show.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
Right, you can just go out the parking lot and
wait for the second half or whatever. But so Victoria
and and Sissy, thank you so much for being on
in the flyer you gave us. That's really nice. It's
got a lot of good information. Is there somewhere on
social media they.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Could they could get they could access this. Is there
a certain paper.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
You can go to Charleston Distance Run dot com. Okay,
and everything is there. There's a link to sign up
you can find out about the race history. You can
look at past races and see the times and everything.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
So I'm guilty of finding that site today.
Speaker 7 (05:40):
So I have some I've gotten some history about the
I'm a former teacher, so I like my research. I
like to be, you know, well prepared. But so, I,
like I said, I did do some research, and I
found that the first race, of course, this is the
fifty second running of it, correct, And the first rate
took place in nineteen seventy three and was organized by
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a man named Don Cohen.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Yes, oh yeah, I got my fight story.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I like it.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
I love it.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
So when he designed this race, and always correct me
if I'm wrong, he wanted to include as many Charleston
neighborhoods as possible, and he involved you know, of course
he started at the state Capitol, I believe, and then
at that time it was you know, he wanted the
east end, the west side, the South Hills area. Does
today's course still follow that original router is a little
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little varied.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
I think it varies because at I rented him in
nineteen seventy six.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Oh wow.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
At one time it was part of the regodds. Yes,
and it actually started over on at the pacifics Okay,
So it has changed a little bit because I start,
you know, at the Capitol, you know, across South Sudbury.
So it's changed a bit, not a lot.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Okay, Okay, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
When you say it's changed.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Are are you talking just specifically how and where you
go or have you seen this huge growth in people
running and the type of people who are running.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
So the race has changed. Like Sissy said, it used
to start at the Civic Center. Now it starts at
the Capitol. We do a loop actually, so you're on
canobul of Art a couple of times and at the
Capitol a couple of times. The race in I think
when it first started the first year was only a
couple of hundred people. But racing road racing itself was
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exploding that time in the early seventies, and so the
second year there were like thirteen hundred people running. Wow,
And I mean elite runners. We had you know, like
Kenyons come and you know, just you know Rogers, Yeah,
a lot of you know, really well known runners. The
marshals at the first one included Jesse Owens oh wow, okay,
(08:08):
and Prefontaine oh wow. So it was that caliber of people.
They didn't run, but they were the marshals and so
that was just awesome. So there was a lot of
interest in it at that time. So now we have
we're almost at about six hundred people this year registered,
but runners are notoriously last minute for signing up, and
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so we're really looking for to have a lot of
folks come and run this year. So we have over
three hundred signed up for the fifteen mile and I
believe almost two hundred for the five k.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
So you all are not just quote runners, you all
are actually invested in its future and success.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Board members as board members, all.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Right, yeah, we are how many how many is actually
how many people are actually on the board do you know?
Speaker 6 (09:00):
We have about there's probably twenty on the board and
probably a core group of twelve or so that work
on it like year round. So we meet every month
to plan this thing because it is quite an undertaking.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
So you're saying that you meet every month after you've
run it.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
To plan for them, to plan for it. Absolutely, that's
a lot.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
That's a lot of work.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
That's a huge commitment.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
It is, and you know, I think we enjoy running
like I do hate it every time, but again, I
like it when I'm done.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
And I mean.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Charleston, for its size, has a really sizeable running community.
I mean, you'd really be surprised. We run with Girl Gang,
which is a local running group. There's tom and Track Club.
I mean, there's so many running clubs and just people
out running. We were running in Kanos City yesterday. We
passed so many people, you know, just groups of people,
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individuals running and I'm sure a lot of them are
training for the distance sun. So packet pickup is great,
you know, because you see all these people that Hey,
I see you out running in Troe, you running in
Saint Albans or whatever it is, And it's just great
to be able to connect with people and and see
people that are enjoying the same things that you do.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Well, if you all were to pass me when I
when I'm running in the morning, you would not be
able to convince me because all you're asking me to
do is run more. Oh my gosh, I don't think I.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Can have the more.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
I want to see his name. I want to see
him in that that distance run come Labor Day. I
want to see it happen. But yeah, we do too,
do you start training right now to see you will
help you.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
But so I could go in and run my three miles, right,
so there's a five k part of that. See what
what would bother me is as because I'm going I know,
for in fact, I'm gonna be in front of her. Okay,
I don't know that I'm gonna be in front of her.
If nothing else, I'm gonna be in front of her.
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Even if I have to, I will bet on sis.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Please.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Well, here's what I'll know. Here's what I know. By
the time we hit three miles, I'm gone.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
So she can go on as far as she wants
to go that far.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 7 (11:25):
So so Carl kind of touched on what I was
going to talk to you, to you ladies about. But
you know this event is it's kind of nicknamed America's
fifteen Mile Challenge, right, that's what I read. So, but
it's evolved, you said, it's now you know there's two
additional events besides the fifteen mile challenge. That's that's a
solo type of deal. So you've added the events that
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there's the three person relay I think you guys referred
to that a minute ago, and the five K, walk
and run. So tell us about those events. Do those
events take place before or after the main race? How
does how do those work?
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Actually everybody starts at the same.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
You're kidding, Okay, I thought they were different, separate events.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
We all now they divide the stroke. Okay, it's like, yeah,
kind of like five k over here, yeah, fifteen over
here because there is a you know, turn turn off.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Sure, so yeah, it all starts. That's exciting.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
It is very exciting.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
S See, you could, you could do it.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
It didn't do anything for me. I didn't all of
a sudden like the.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Yeah, my goodness.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
If you were doing that for me, you lost.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
A funny story last year, as Sissy mentioned, the five
k lines up on one side of the boulevard, fifteen
milers on the other. Well, there was a young woman
who got in the wrong lane. She ended up running.
She meant to be in the five k, she ended
up doing the fifteen mile. What And I was thinking
(12:58):
there had to be some.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Point I would have around, and he said, look.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
I got the ball.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I'm sorry, or I'm just gonna stop. I made a mistake.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
That's the longest for the longest five miles I've ever
ran in my year like this will never end.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah that, Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not making
that mistake.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
And if I do make it, like I said, my
mind will, my mind and my body will tell me
I should have been in that other lane.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
I think so for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
And I'm walking out of that line.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
So since you have you you have had a background
in in running track, so I know kind of where
that comes from.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
You and and and they.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
On the we're on the four by four relay or
four by one relay back in the day, I think
you all won the state.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Yeah, when the stated that he did, don't be sure.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
So did you?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Could you ever imagine yourself going from being quote a
sprinter to actually being someone who's just going to go
out and just run, like I'm just running.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
What made you start running?
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Well, what made me start is back when I was
living in Maryland, I got into a group of women
and they were going to walk part of what was
considered the underground railroad. So no problem, we can walk.
But then I met a girl who was a runner
and she wanted somebody to run with. So I started
running with her and then I just continued to run,
(14:37):
and then after a while becomes a habit.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Yeah. So for me, running is not is a habit.
It's like people who wake.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Up in the morning, you brush your teeth, wash your face.
Running is for me nothing.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
It's in your routine, right, routine. Yeah, and would have to.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Be So Victoria, what leave me alone with?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
So like, what where did you? What prompted you to
get into this?
Speaker 6 (15:05):
You know, my brother teases me all the time. He says,
you know, I tried to get you to run, you know,
when we were living at home growing up, and you
never would. He's like, now, you know, I can't get
you to not run. And I think when I was
in college, I my dorm was near the track. I
went to the University of Tennessee, and so the track
was like across the street and we had this thing
called the Bubble where they had all this workout equipment.
(15:27):
And so I just started, you know, getting into being
in shape and you know, and kind of taking better
care of myself and things like that. And then I
started running like five k's and ten k's and things
like that. And I didn't run my first half marathon
until like I think it was two thousand and four
or something like that, but like Sissy said, you know
(15:49):
it's something that I could do. I mean, I don't
I'm not fast. I'm not trying to get faster. I
walk a lot if I want to, sure, but it's
something that I enjoy, and so I just kind of
kept at it after that.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
See if I were if I were to switched out
and started walking, I don't even want to walk fifteen mounds.
There's nothing like And for folks who are interested in
maybe participating in running starting running, don't listen to me.
Yes please, I am not your example. I promise you, Like,
(16:28):
I just don't see, like I don't see being able
to get my mind wrapped around fifteen mounds now in walking,
I can see me seriously talking myself out of out
of walking, probably within a mile and a half.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Like what am I doing?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Like this is I better have a huge long play
this story.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Yes you're a former NFL player.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
That does not necessarily equate to loving working out. I
worked out, and anybody who is listening who knows my
workout regiment, it was. It was huge, Like it was hard.
It was not a joke, but there was there was
there was something on the end of it though, like
I needed to get the camp in shape.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I needed to be able to play and not.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Have to worry about gettator.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yes, and I have no motivation right now for fifteen
fifteen Miles does not say, well, Carl, you know what,
that's a good job.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
That ain't enough for me. That that just is not
enough for me.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
I dangle and carrot in front of it. Something shirt
I got.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I got fifteen drawers full of T shirt.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Just gonna ask him about that.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
And a metal.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I'm probably gonna lie to you and tell you I
did it, just as if I.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Can get the metal, I ain't gonna run it.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
There's just no way what I do so shameful tell
because what I like though, what this is, this is
what I like. This is like something that I totally
am so far away from and I can't grasp. And
then most things, and I think most people who are
in sports, they think that they can grasp everything. Like
you know, if you play football, you play basketball, you
(18:18):
know everything.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Running is a whole another thing.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I know, you're running basketball, you're running football, you're running baseball.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Running as a sport, as a sport.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Itself, is a is a is a mind breaker.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Sure because every time I get out there, three miles
can break me.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I can't even I can't.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yes, and I want to continue to make sure that
everybody's clear on.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
That fifteen miles no shot. I'm not even going to
put it in as a goal.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
There's no I can't wake up in the morning and
say I'm going fifteen miles today.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I'm rolling right back over and going to bed. I'm
going to sleep.
Speaker 8 (19:00):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
People finish it in like an hour and fifteen twenty minutes.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
See, that's unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
Are these are those your runners that are professional runners, right,
They're the ones that that from marathon to marathon.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Yeah, and they get at the front of the line.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Yeah, you know they're a chance.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
You can see them, and I mean they run from
that first step and they are doing like, you know,
five and a half six minute See.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
See, I'm seeing your You're like when you're you're defining
you're when you're discussing that, Like I can see it
in your face, like you're like, Wow, I mean they're
doing something special. I'm looking at y'all and I'm thinking, Wow,
they're doing something special. I mean, because I just it
just is a different thing. Like I'm like, I'm impressed.
(19:47):
To me, I'm impressed, and I hate to give this.
I hate to give her any kind of credit like
I have, but I'm impressed by the fact that she
has done this for so long because I know what
running like I've had, I've had to run it for sports,
and never ever fact that she would be doing this
(20:11):
like every day, all day for fifteen miles, Like who
runs fifteen miles for what?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Not?
Speaker 4 (20:17):
You not me?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
So I'm I'm I'm highly impressed by that reality. And
then when you watch like track and you watch like
like even like the half moun they're running that thing.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Like it's a sprint, Like it's like it's nothing.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
You know, they finished, they bend over a little bit,
they walk and they're fine.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I'm dying.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
That's like say something called training in run in running, how.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Do they train for that kind of stuff?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
It's endurance, right, I mean, right, ladies?
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Or the longer lane yea, for the longer lives, say
like the half marathons, the marathons.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
How do you train for that?
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Well, I've done at this point, I've done fourteen halfs
and two marathons, and so see, so it is it
is a mindset. What we do is at that point,
a lot of times you will have somebody else that's
training for a marathon or training for something, and like
(21:20):
uh Victoria said earlier, were part of girl gang and
you can always find somebody that will come along for
the run, even if they're not training for a marathon
or a half.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
They hold you accountable.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Yeah, yeah, we hold each other accountab Where were you?
Speaker 9 (21:39):
Which I beg you'll go, Oh.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
My goodness, I'm going to ask a legitimate question to
these ladies. Take the focus off of your non running
abilities for a second. So Victoria, I noticed your shirt
and it's it's so pretty. I love that collar on
you and it's the Charleston Distance Run from last.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Year twenty twenty four.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
Do you guys have merch available? Do you have to
actually be a part of one of the events to
purchase merchandise or can you go to the website and
do it?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Well?
Speaker 6 (22:15):
You can come to our packet pick up okay, and
that will be at hat Ad Riverfront Park on Friday,
August twenty ninth this year from three to eight and
we will have souvenir shirts. We have some hats there.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Oh yeah, I see your hat now, I like that hat.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I like that hat. Yeah, be mine.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Sometimes it does cost to come on the show.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Don't let them to Charleston dist I like it a
little sass.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
They need to get me a hat.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Yeah, sure, I'm gonna come down to hat Ad. You
can look at our merchandise that we have there, and
you know, hopefully we'll have more in the future that
people can just buy. But usually historically it has been
like for our runners they come into town, sure they
can look at things, but we do have extras and
stuff from previous years as well.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
That's nice.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
What would be what what would be the biggest challenge
for either one of you or for both of you
to try to run? Now, I mean because if you
run marathons, I meant, I mean that's as far as
typically as far as they run it, right, Is there
something out there that intrigues you to say, like, you
(23:29):
know what I would love to do that? Is there
something that out there there I'll go first.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Both faces was like, oh, yeah, likes.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
Well, I've never done a marathon, okay, and honestly I
don't have the desire to do it, but I'm happy
with the half there. I really am so I've done
a couple of those, and I think that's probably my
length to do. So a challenge for me might be
like doing one, you know, in every state or on
(24:02):
every continent or something like.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
That, just just just as a way of traveling.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
As a way of traveling. Yeah, I went to Rio
last year and when I was there, we were at
the Christ the Redeemer statue and there was a marathon
and I was like, oh my god, I wish I
checked one off my list. So that kind of you know,
running tourism.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
That's nice.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
When they have these marathons, they also include shorter races
in them, right usually Okay, yeah, I didn't know that.
I didn't really know that as a fact. So when
I hear a marathon, I just flipped the page or
turned the station and I'm out.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
And they know not everyone wants to run a marathon,
or you.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Know, have something for everybody.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
So there's everybody, ok, and K a half marathon as
part of a race as well.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Sissy.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Victoria knows I have ran. They have what they call majors,
so the major marathons, which is Boston and New York
and London and all the majors. So I have what
they call it's called an Abbot star. So I have
my one for Chicago because it's a major. So my
goal is to run the other five. But age also
(25:26):
is a factor because as you age it gets a
little harder to train at that you know, twenty six
point two miles.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
But that's my goal.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
We'll see.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
That's amazing. You didn't tell me about this.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Because it doesn't register stopping.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
I'm sorry, sissy, Sorry, we love it.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Come on, Carl, there's no thought in my mind.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I'm tired because they're on show, they're talking about on
the show.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
I have a legitimate question, Carl, be quiet, all right.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
So ladies, you know the history of the race. It
originally took place with the storm Will Regatta in conjunction
with that, and that always happened on Labor Day weekend,
so the race continues to be on Labor Day weekend.
Is there any talk or any chance of kind of
reuniting it with the new Regotti since it's come back
and having it like over the fourth of July, have
(26:27):
you has the committee ever considered that or is it
ask about that?
Speaker 6 (26:31):
Okay, okay, and we haven't discussed it. I don't want
to say, seriously, we haven't discussed it a lot, but
it does come up from time to time.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
It's probably nice to have the spotlight just on you
guys on that weekend, right, rather than kind of being
in the shadow of a big city festival or whatever.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
I'd like for us to try it, okay, see, yeah,
you know, because we'd love to have like more people participate,
and the regatta draws you know, a lot of people,
and so I hope that one year we can at least.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
I'm sure the mayor would love that. I'm sure she would.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
What would be the reason why they wouldn't want to
combine that?
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Well, didn't it at one time?
Speaker 4 (27:14):
I'm at one time?
Speaker 6 (27:16):
I think maybe they stopped having the regatta.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Yes, that's what happened, and so they continued to have
the Charleston Distance.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Yeah, that never quit. That never stopped.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
They never stopped. So the regatta at one time had stopped.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
What would it what would what do you all think
it would take to make that I'll just say combining
the two.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
I don't think it's a no necessarily a no. It
would probably be more of getting together with the city
and just you know, talking it out and you know, saying, hey,
you know, here's an idea. Just kind of throw stuff
out there just to see where it goes.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
And the city is a big supporter. They're one of
our major supporters every year, and we're so thankful for
all the services that they provide, the police officers, a
lot of city services go into making this race run.
So I think that might be another consideration, Like because
the regatta is already.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
A lot Yeah, I can understand that could be.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
You know, just that extra manpower and capacity at that
time could be an issue too. But I think it
is worth talking about because we do get that question
a lot.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, that that that really does make sense because you know,
if they're doing all these different things, you know, now
they're spreading themselves out, that could be more of a challenge.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Yeah, because they have the bikes. They do the bikes,
and you know, they just have a lot going on.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Are there is a bike ride?
Speaker 5 (28:46):
There is no it was a bike oh yeah, So
they just they have stuff going on. So, like Victoria
says it, you know.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
But it could be a draw for you guys, Like
you said, I mean, since there's going to be more
out of town people here for the regatta, you know
you're gonna probably naturally get more runners to come and participate,
So I don't know, I thought that was something interesting
to talk about.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
Yeah, definitely.
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Speaker 1 (30:45):
I'm gonna do something that I'm totally uncomfortable with, which
I already have to share share my time.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
With with with miss Odi. And she used me, She
usedly dogs me and treats me bad.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
See what they see, Hollis is in here.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
So now I'm going to allow these two young ladies.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
To talk about just make sure that everybody has some
information about the distance run.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
And my fear is is we.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
May be here tomorrow, so hopefully we could get this
done before the show is over. But we'll see, all right, Sis, whichever.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
One, whichever one of you all want to start Victoria?
Speaker 6 (31:35):
Okay, yeah, So the Charleston Distance Run is taking place
on Saturday, August thirtieth. This year, we'll have packet pick
up on Friday, August twenty ninth.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
This packet to pick up.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
Packet pickup is when you come and you get your
what we call your swag bag. Oh okay, and you
also get your bib. So every runner or walker wears
a bib. It has a chip on it that times you.
So you'll cross mats different locations along the route. So
that's how we keep track of you on the course
and also track your time.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Oh that's cool.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Can people register actually that night in Victoria a.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
Packet pick up? Okay, okay, Now it is cheaper. Now
it's going to go up a couple of times, so
you'll save about ten dollars if you go to Charleston
Distance run dot com now and sign up. But yes,
you can sign up online until noon on Friday, or
you can come in at packet pick up and sign up.
Sign up there, okay, yeah, yeah. And so packet pickup
(32:35):
is also a great time because all of the runners
come in so you kind of see everyone. We have
a pasta dinner there.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Oh nice.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
So everyone can carve up and you can buy tickets
for family members if they aren't registered to run. But
it's a great opportunity to kind of just meet people. Again.
It's a great running community, people that you see from
time to time, so it's really great to be able
to connect with them and see people there packet pick
up and then the race starts at seven point thirty
at the Capitol. We have a short ceremony before that,
(33:06):
and then all the runners start at the same time
and we meet up at Lately Field.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Since anything else, so I just really wanted to really
shout out the community in general, because on top of
all the board members and things that go into the
Charleston Distance Run, we have over two hundred and fifty
people who man the water stations throughout the race. Some
(33:33):
of them are we have girls basketball teams and guy
basketball teams, and school teachers and people who are bank
from the bank and people who are families who've done
it for many years. We have people who have manned
the traffic at certain spots and even though we now
(33:53):
have ambassadors who will be doing that, they come out
every year and you know, help us with the volunteer
and so I just really wanted to shout them out
because without them it would not be possible.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Oh it's nice.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
And we also want to shout out our race director,
Carol Phipps Hade. She is the first ever female race
director for the Charleston Distance Run. This is her second
year doing a fabulous job. We've you know, made lots
of changes to the race, so we're really excited about that.
(34:31):
I serve as the secretary and then Karen Moore is
our treasurer. So we have an all female race executive
committee for Charleston Distance Run as well. So we're really
really proud of that.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Girl power. Yeah power, you hear that, right, I hear that.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
But we want to shout out our men on the
because they are amazing.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
I mean, it takes everybody what it does, because I.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
Mean T shirt designs we just don't, you know, we
just don't pop up. We have, you know, somebody that
does the T shirts and somebody who does the medals,
and you know, we have medical team at the end.
We just have you know, lots of people in the
community that make the Charleston Distance Rump possible.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
And we wanted to be a community event. I'm sorry,
we wanted to be a community event and we want
people to come out. And you know, it really is
about health and fitness too. So it's not just about competition,
it's not just about speed. We really see running and
being active, walking, jogging, whatever you can do, just taking
that first step, it's really important to improving the health
(35:39):
of us as individuals and in our community. So that's
that's another big goal for the Distance Run is to
really give people opportunities and help them become you know,
healthier as well.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
And I think too, to your point, if someone were
to come out and try to run or even walk
the Distance Run, I think they would they would think
to themselves, Okay, I want to keep I want to
keep doing this. This was good. I want to keep
doing this. And then at some point they're going to say,
(36:16):
all right, you know what, I think I'm going to
just try to run a little bit and you know,
just to see it and before you know it, now
they're running now. Once they're running now, and they're starting now,
the first thing comes to their mind is like, let's compete.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
You know, I want to compete, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
I don't want to just I don't want to just
run and be last.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
You know.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I think I've got some people up there. I think
if I train a little bit harder, I can pass it,
you know. And and I think that's an important kind
of process that I.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Think people can look at.
Speaker 6 (36:51):
Just start exactly know, if you just start, get off
the couch.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Get off the couch, just get out there and just
watch people run. And because you can admire them running,
you know, if you're if you're running fifteen miles twenty
kind of if you're running above three miles, I'm impressed already.
So you know, I'm looking at you now. I will
say this, I'm too old to change, so I'm not
(37:18):
going to I won't necessarily I'll be impressed, but I
won't be trying to do it. But if you're young,
there's really, true, truly an opportunity for you to get
yourself off that couch, get yourself out of the house.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
This is that kind of an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
This is the kind of opportunity that gives you a
chance to like, Hey, I'm out there with.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
All these people with a common goal. Just finish it.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yes, absolutely, not just first, not just just I'm just
gonna finish it. And to me, I think for a
lot of people who could benefit from it, just start it.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Just go out and just start it.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Do it right. Yeah, just do it Mike, you said.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
And a great way to start is Sissy and I
are also part of a group called park Run and
it's really an international group and we are so fortunate
to have one here in Charleston.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (38:14):
It meets every Saturday at Magic Island. It's a free
weekly timed five k. So a five k is three
point one miles. So we start a Magic Island, go
all the way down to the old drug Eporium. I
hate saying that, I'm miss drugging. Wow, back to Magic Island.
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We take a loop around and that's three point one miles.
People are out there, running, walking, jogging, pushing strollers, walking dogs.
I mean it's about seventy people out there every week.
So you have your support community, people who are holding
you accountable, people who are looking for you, to show up.
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And it's not a race. It's not a race. You
get time. I don't look to see where Sissy finished.
I look to see if I got better than I
was last week.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
You're competing against yourself, that's.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
Right, that's it, and you're in community to do that.
So I want to invite everyone out to park Run
every Saturday. People are there, so you have a community
you can meet. Where did you say it starts at
Magic Magic Eyeland one time at eight o'clock and then
it switches when the time changes. But for right now
eight o'clock.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Okay, so you asked that question as if you might show.
Speaker 7 (39:30):
Up for you, I'll think about it.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
I'll cheer them.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Christe, I was I was going to say, Okay, if
Lisa shows up, I'll show up.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
I do walk.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (39:48):
The only problem for me, and this is probably ridiculous,
I'm sure, but I have need issues. So you know,
for me, jogging and running is it's hard, not the
endurance part. I think I would be fine with that.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Carl. I don't know about that high, but I can.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
I can walk.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
I mean I walk long distances you know in Kanas
cities where I live. But but kudos to you guys.
I mean I wish I could do that, you know,
I think it's amazing and I'm impressed.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
We have walkers. Well, so.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
That was not here.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
That's not that's not a get out of because actually
in our group of Girl Gang, we have walkers. We
have a tail walker. Actually, uh, what.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Is the tail walker?
Speaker 5 (40:31):
So the tail walker finishes last in the Charleston distance run,
so nobody else has to oh wow, so.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, sign up. But I can be as far as
I could.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Be, That's not how it works as long as I'm lasting.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
No, you have to at least be close to the
person that's in front of you.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
See, that's that's what that's called, is a family rule
right there. You don't have the ability to change that.
All that matters is I'm last. That's all that matters.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
There is a course limit.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
So okay, so I'm last, and the course is going
to say, what well are you?
Speaker 2 (41:16):
You st you short?
Speaker 1 (41:18):
You were short of you came in too fast, of
your slow?
Speaker 4 (41:25):
What did you just say?
Speaker 5 (41:29):
Anyway, we welcome every pace, every if you walk, we
have walkers we have through the Girl Gang, we have
this thing. We don't leave anybody behind. So if you
come out on a long run, so we usually do
them on Sundays. You're not getting left behind. Somebody is
going to be there with you. So you know, people say, well,
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I don't want to do that. I don't want to
slow anybody down. That's just what we do. It's a community,
you know, so you're helping.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
We will get it involved in it. Oh that's cool.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Because people and the camaraderie of it.
Speaker 7 (42:03):
I mean it's got to be just nice just to
see that, you know, get together with your friends and
get some fresh air and yeah.
Speaker 6 (42:11):
And I mean we have new people joining. We have
people when they come into town they are looking for
a group to run with, and so they'll come out
and run with us on Sunday because they have.
Speaker 7 (42:21):
Their own group when they're in their own hometown, so
they just find yours.
Speaker 6 (42:25):
Ye. So we have a lot of tourists that come
and run with us. And there's a tail walker for
the Chalceton distance run and there's always a tail walker,
which is actually I think where we got the idea
for park run. So for people who come out on Saturday,
I promise you you will not be last.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I thought we were going to go for it, but.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
We've been together doing this for a long time.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Well, you know, I'm I'm really super proud of both
of you all for the simple fact that.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Not beyond the past, beyond the running, just the.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Whole concept of all of the things that you're it's
still like reaching out to people to get them part
of something. I think that I think that is that
is critical today for you got people who don't know
what to do, and they don't want to do anything
without somebody, and running sometimes can be that thing that
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you all are using to bring them in. And I
think that's you know, I think that's something that's really
pretty special.
Speaker 7 (43:46):
Especially with today's social and political climent. This is something
that is so needed, is group community partnerships, you know,
being able to get together and and you know, just
take a break from everything.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
Absolutely, I think we all need that we do.
Speaker 6 (44:03):
There are so many people at home who may not
really have a group of friends. I mean, people who
have friends are really fortunate, right and just for a
number of reasons. Sometimes we lose track of people. We're
in a new city whatever, you know, and people are
looking for connection, sure, and so this is a great way.
And again you don't have to be fast. You don't
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have to run, you know, it's just a great group
of people. After park run, we meet at Mia Kaupa
on big Ley Avenue. Lots of opportunities just to you know,
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be with people, to meet people, to to get active,
to get healthy, and I mean, it's just it's a
lot of fun. It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
Sounds like it.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
All right, Well, we're gonna let We're gonna let you.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
We we don't have much time left, but we're gonna let
you to go for since you've given us enough information
enough for me to know that I don't run and
run with either one.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
If you are.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
But hopefully, but hopefully it'll inspire a whole lot of
other people who are looking for something to do.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
So I do appreciate you both coming. Thank you, appreciate.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Switching conversations drastically. Yes, all right, let me just I'm
gonna start this way, Lisa with you. All right, So,
typically when you when camp starts and you're you're everybody's
in camp, your first scrimmage is usually something along the
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lines against the backups. You know, you don't go against
your first team guys, and so you know, so I'm
my assumption is Shador who I think played extremely well.
And and the question that I have with that is
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was that against.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
The first team.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
I'm going to assume if he was there, if he started,
then he probably faced the first team, because the first
team will be the you know, the first group will
be out there. They could be out there for a
couple of series. They could be out there for a quarter,
maybe half, and then they're pretty much done. But it
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appears though that he can play at this level if
all things are equal, and he's playing against the top rated.
Speaker 7 (46:45):
Guy right right, And that remains to be seen, because
I'm not sure. I couldn't I can give you his numbers.
You know, he had a strong showing and this was
against the Carolina Panthers. He was fourteen for twenty three
passing for one hundred and thirty eight yards. He had
two TD passes and nineteen yards rushing on four attempts,
which is not horrible for his first time out there
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in an an NFL atmosphere. But I think time will
tell their second scrimmage game or scrimmage preseason game. It
is scrimmage in a way, right Their second season game
is preseason is going to be against the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
So I'm thinking if he can.
Speaker 7 (47:24):
Repeat this performance, because I'm thinking the Cleveland staff probably
like what they saw, and he's going to get a
shot against the Philadelphia Eagles in that game. If he
can continue this type of performance, then you know they've
got some quarterback controversy in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
I think so. But here's what is intriguing to me.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
If you're competing against somebody's second team, right, you know, rookies,
basically that's not really the first team. That's not really
what you're going to see. Now, I'm not gonna make
that I'm not making and I'm not really trying to
make the case that he can't play up to that level.
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I'm just what I don't know is who he's actually
playing against. And no matter how long this goes, until
you get to to the realization of can he handle
the pressure? Can he get hit? And because he can
avoid it, he can avoid the hits, which is great,
which is great, great, great, great? What if he gets hit?
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Has he been hit yet?
Speaker 7 (48:34):
And that's something I was going to bring up in
my next next piece of this conversation, But it's not
so much I think what the coaching staff, It's not
so much.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
The numbers. The numbers are good, right, the numbers are impressive.
Speaker 7 (48:46):
I think it's what the staff saw of his performance
on the field past the.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Numbers, leadership and stuff.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
They liked.
Speaker 7 (48:53):
They liked that he was decisive, that was something that
he could he was he was doing well with he
threw the ball.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
I can do really well.
Speaker 7 (49:02):
They did state and this was just what the staff said,
And this is something I want you to kind of
explain in Layman Layman's terms to me, but they said
he needs to handle pressure, which you just brought that up.
The other thing they mentioned was something about cleaning up
his pocket presence. Explain that like in Layman's terms.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
As a as a defensive player, I'll describe what I
can assume that that that's what he what what they're saying. Okay, there,
when you're in the pocket, there's a there's a calmness
that you have to have because there's people coming from
the right, from the left, up the middle. Your presence,
if you panic and you're moving around, you're you're you're
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jerking around kind of trying to find a place to go,
and then you still throw the ball and you throw it.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Great, that's good.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
But you've got to be able to stay in the
pocket so that the route itself can develop.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Okay, and you can still stay in the post.
Speaker 7 (49:55):
Do you have to be able to see the whole
field is what you're saying, and not freak out.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
And not yes, not leave the pockets just because you
feel some pressure. Right, most quarterbacks today, you know when
you start talking about that running quarterback, that running quarterback
has to have still has to have the ability to
be able to be in the pocket. Okay, find figure
out what the defense is, figure out where I should
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throw the ball before I have to move. Now obviously,
if there's a blitz and somebody's coming right up the middle, yeah,
you got to move right away. I think what they're
trying to get him to do is to maybe stay
just in the pocket, read it just a little a
tad bit longer and see and anticipate where the opening
is going to be.
Speaker 7 (50:39):
So for you, which which would be your more wanted
quality in your quarterback on the field. Would it be
the decision making in the in the being able to
throw the ball accurately or is it more of the
pocket presence and pressure handling I mean, or you have
to have all of it.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
I think you have to have all of it. But
if I had to pick one, I would probably have pocket.
To be able to handle being in the pocket. The
pocket presence, okay, because when you run, you're you're you're
just running. As an athlete. Now that can that can
show up, but at some point in time being a quarterback,
you have to be able to be in the pocket, right,
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find a receiver, throw the ball him, catch it, and
you keep.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
You have to be able to do that. You can't
just run.
Speaker 4 (51:28):
So he's not in the zone yet, as Dante would say.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
No, I don't think. I don't I don't think.
Speaker 7 (51:33):
He's he's and he's young, and he's a rookie, so
he shouldn't be in the zone.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Really, And he understands his athleticism and his ability to run,
and he can and I'm not taking away from his
ability to throw, because he can throw the ball, but
what he can trust all the time is his ability
to run the ball to get out of the pocket
and go. You've got to stay in that pocket. You
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got to find a way to stay in that pocket, sure,
and find that guy that is open. Because you're just
a running back. If you're going to keep running.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
Yeah, well, it's something I wanted to bring.
Speaker 7 (52:13):
I mean, he's been the talk, of course, you know,
dominated all of the shows on ESPN because of the
controversy with the draft and his dad in DIONSO. But
you know, there were thirty I'm sorry thirteen quarterbacks or
drafted in April. Eleven of them have suited up for
their respective teams during the preseason, which I thought was
pretty impressive. I mean, because that doesn't always happen with
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your rookie quarterbox.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
No, no it doesn't. And what I'm thinking has happened,
and I can't confirm this. You might have looked this up.
Most of these guys who were drafted in the first
round are probably guys that they are hoping or expecting
to be Zerios.
Speaker 4 (52:53):
Stars this year.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
Compete, okay, because even if I can compete against you,
I'm making you better.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
So can I compete to early?
Speaker 7 (53:02):
Isn't that early expectation of a rookie to to expect
them to go? I mean I've always like had the perception,
I guess of the draft is you usually have a
quarterback that you have a lot of confidence in, but
kind of like an Aaron Rodgers Jordan Love situation where
you know that the end is near. You know Father
Tom is going to be, you know, victorious in the end,
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and so you're planning for future endeavors. Are these are
these tepics that desperate with their quarter present quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
I think what they what they're seeing is they're seeing
a quarterback, a potential quarterback that they can do a
lot with.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
And I can't pass that up because.
Speaker 6 (53:43):
Right I'm on the gate.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
Well, I might be the quarterback now.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
And let's say I'm seven years in and I'm I'm
good enough to start, I'm good enough to lead us
to the playoffs. But we haven't gotten past that. And
there's a quarterback in the draft aft that's pretty good,
and we've got an opportunity to get him. I can't
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wait till the second round. He's gonna be gone, so
I've got to get him first round. So now I'm
getting him first round. And now I feel like I'm
in a situation where if my if my returning quarterback
is solid, he can he can get a year under
his belt of watching, getting some experience. Then that second year, now,
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now we got some true competition. But you could also
have that competition in the very first year. Okay, because
if you because Cleveland has it, they do have a
starting quarterback Joe Yeah.
Speaker 4 (54:44):
Yeah, and he was pretty secure.
Speaker 7 (54:45):
But now you know, since Shudor and if he repeats
this performance, you know, if if they go in against
the Eagles and he can do this or even better
than what he did, you know you're gonna have some talk.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
But here's the question.
Speaker 4 (54:57):
More talk.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Who's getting the most.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
Or I'm thinking Shador is hitting the most play why
because we already know what we already know what he
can do.
Speaker 4 (55:08):
We know we don't know what this preseason and you
don't want to get your.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Story, don't want to get him.
Speaker 7 (55:11):
We don't want to They need to be wrapped, you know,
in bubble wrap at this point. I mean the way
they some of them have been hurt, I mean some
of the players in the preseason games. But I just
find it, I don't know, I mean, to me, that
seemed like a high number for the thirteen drafted that
eleven have already had a chance to get out there
and play.
Speaker 1 (55:30):
Is most teams are going to put people are going
to put the rookies out in the first preseason game. Okay,
they're going to put them out just as as many
as they possibly can.
Speaker 7 (55:41):
Okay, just so they can get in the value wills
and make some decisions about we don't want to.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
We don't want our starting quarterback to play in the
first preseason game.
Speaker 11 (55:49):
I'm going to throw something out here at you guys,
do Aaron Rodgers forty one years old, Kirk Cousins thirty
six years old, Matthew Stafford thirty six years old, Russell
Wilson thirty six years old, Geno Smith thirty four years old.
A lot of these guys, if they haven't retired recently,
they're getting ready there right there. This is rookie season
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every year for the next few years in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
And and if you're the if you're if you're that
quarterback that's in the draft, you're happy.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
Yeah, absolutely, Because here's here's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
I would love one year to learn from one of
those names. I'd like to watch them, even if they're
at the end of their at the end of the rope,
they're gonna they're mentally they're gonna show you something. They're
gonna show you how to make this drastic decision in
the heat of the pocket.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
That's something that you can't really coach.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
I mean, I would love And I had the opportunity
as a as a defensive back to see a guy
who had played at LSU, who had been.
Speaker 2 (56:51):
Starting with the Vikings for tons of years.
Speaker 1 (56:54):
I got a chance to see him for a couple
of years and see how he operated, how he handled himself.
And I marked that right because like I'm thinking, this
is what you know, this is what a starting quarter
corner looks like.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
I need to I need to mimic that.
Speaker 11 (57:12):
So there's some kind of change that's happened, I feel
like in the last ten or fifteen years too, because
it's not like it used to be where Aaron Rodgers
comes after Brett Favre or Tom Brady comes after Drew bledsoe,
you know, they were kind of in the in the
wings waiting.
Speaker 2 (57:27):
For a few years. Absolutely, that doesn't seem to be
the case. And I think especially Cleveland, and I.
Speaker 1 (57:33):
Think I think that's a bad yeah, And I think
that's a bad thing because I really truly have to
say that seeing somebody watching somebody mimicking what it what
they're doing a little bit and taking some of mine
into it, I think is truly important at that level
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because playing college ball is not playing pro ball. So
what you learned is not what you're going to necessarily.
Speaker 7 (58:04):
You know, it's obviously it's a whole differences afferent animal.
Speaker 11 (58:09):
Don't you think it maybe also has something to do
it maybe contributes to longevity there too. When we spend
two or three years watching the number one guy, when
you're maybe the number two guy that gets to come
in later in the game or when somebody needs a
blow for a play or two, you're not playing every
single down. As soon as you're drafted your first second year,
you got a little bit of time to kind of
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get used to it, get used to that level of play,
and I would have to think that would make you
have potentially no longer career with you know, notwithstanding any
injuries or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (58:43):
Here's the problem though, when you come in, Okay, I'm
a guy who's a seventh round pick, right like, I
want to play now, sure you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (58:51):
I want to and you want a chance to show
that you belong. So you belong on that field.
Speaker 2 (58:55):
So imagine coming as a second rounder or a first rounder.
You you're not thinking you're sitting.
Speaker 1 (59:01):
Yeah, you know, and they're paying me all that kind
of money what I'm making because here's the thing, I
could be making more than you, Lisa, because I came
in this year, you've been you're at the end of
your contract. I'm making more than you. That makes me
think anyway, that I'm already better than you. You're paying
I'm paying You're paying me more than what they're paying you. Yeah,
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that's should be playing.
Speaker 2 (59:23):
Yeah, that's in your head.
Speaker 7 (59:25):
Well, and I'm going to just really quick just switch
lanes here. We're still talking preseason football. But you know,
the past week and we've talked about this in the thread, Carl,
the injuries, Yes, the severity of the injuries. I mean,
you know you had that Ravens cornerback. I think it was,
you know, taking off the field in an air cast.
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For me, I think it's the for the players, you know,
it can be for the unlucky ones, it's a devastating
ending to their career or to their their their year,
possibly their career before or you know, the fans even
know who they are, like what you're saying, they're out
there fighting for their livelihood in these preseason games and
they're gonna hurt They're going to hit people hard, and
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I don't know, I don't want to say they have
the intention of hurting people, but they definitely have the
intention of making a name for themselves right right, And
that's a dangerous situation.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
It's to me, I mean, think about it.
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
You're you're you're you're a first round draft pick, which
I was not, and you go in with the expectation
of playing. You're going to do any and everything that
you possibly can to show that you.
Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
Belong in there, which can be over the top, which.
Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Could be over the top, It definitely can be.
Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
Over the top unsafe.
Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Yes, Okay, you're you're risking that.
Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
That's kind of my point.
Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Okay, you're that physical guy and coming in and you're
going to try to make up a stance so that
you're starting.
Speaker 7 (01:00:53):
So do we need this many preseason games? Then if
that's the case, do we really?
Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
But it could happen in practice, Well, it's sure can
can happen in practice because you've got scrimmages in practice.
Speaker 7 (01:01:04):
But the likelihood when they know the camera's on and
the fans are watching and they're making a name for themselves,
you know, I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Accidents happen
and players get hurt. But I do feel the atmosphere
at a preseason game is more conducive to people. Especially
you've got brand new kids out of college that they
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really don't understand the game, yet they're out there, you know,
feeling their way. And you've got some veteran players out
there probably that have been on the roster trying to
stay on the roster and they're making a name for themselves.
Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
It can be a recipe for disaster.
Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
It can be, But I think that just comes that
comes with with with football. I think it comes with
football at any level, you know, and it comes in it.
I think it's I think it's rooted in every sport
with the idea of the new guy coming in wanting
to play.
Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Sure, and I'm giving you everything.
Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Now, football is a little bit way more physical than
any of the other sports.
Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
We can make that case.
Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
And what you have to do to impress, Like for
me to have to impress the defensive coordinator and the
head coach coach, I got to be able to cover
and I got to be able to hit somebody.
Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
Is it preseason four or three?
Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Matt, It used to be four.
Speaker 11 (01:02:18):
I think it's are we down to two now?
Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
I think I think you're right.
Speaker 11 (01:02:21):
I think it's just too yeah, yeah, because they added
that seventeenth game, and now I think it down two.
Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
What did you do? Well? Are you really doing that swap?
Speaker 11 (01:02:31):
Well, here's the numbers part of it though, too. If
you think about like the NBA, you got what maybe
twelve guys on your roster, eleven twelve, even major League Baseball,
I mean you're only like around thirty or so, You've
got a fifty or fifty six man roster. I think
for the NFL, you got a lot of guys. You
got to figure out what can they do? And some
(01:02:51):
of that you're not going to be able to figure
out in practice. Right, So they keep gotting back this preseason.
But I mean, is it really I mean, is it
doing them.
Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
In a well, think about it this way. This is
how I This might be bad, but this is how
I look at it. If I've already given you seven
hundred million dollars, five of us guaranteed, and I'm bringing
Lisa in and she plays the same position as you,
I already know where you're gonna be less, I pay
(01:03:23):
her more than you. If I pay her more than you,
then I know where she's gonna be. You gonna you
don't have to worry about getting hurt. You'll be over
on the side.
Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
I mean, yes, I think.
Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Where they are now or they are protecting trying to
protect those guys who are making that money as much
as they possibly can.
Speaker 7 (01:03:42):
And it goes back to our esteemed guest last week, Stirling.
You know when I pose the same question to him,
what do you think of preseason? And he basically answered,
and this isn't exact words, maybe it is, I don't know,
but I can't remember, but he did say, if you
don't think every single move that this league makes is
not related or about money, yeah, then you just you're sadly,
(01:04:05):
you know you're miscotted. It's all about money. It's not
about anything else but money.
Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
It's true, and and it's and it's shameful because shame
The money is already so good. Why are you Why
are you worried about it that much more? It's just
it's just a shame, you know. But hey, that's the
game I played and we all love.
Speaker 7 (01:04:28):
So Carl's late for a marathon. He's gonna get out
of here, all right, make marathon Tom.
Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
There's no chance on that one. Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
We appreciate you listening and we will be back again
next week.
Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
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