April 29, 2025 • 58 mins
On this episode of Let’s Talk with Carl Lee, Carl, Hollis, and Lisa dive into the drama and surprises of the 2025 NFL Draft. They break down trends signaling a return to old-school ground games, debate the impact of athletic quarterbacks, and react to the shocking fall of Shedeur Sanders into the fifth round. Plus, they tackle the prank call scandal during the draft, the unfortunate DUI incident involving Adrian Peterson, and what the future holds for players stepping into a faster, tougher league. It’s a lively mix of insight, speculation, and real talk about how today's athletes are navigating the next era of professional football.
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
This is Carl Lee and I have my co hosts,
Lisa Odie and Hollis Lewis in the building.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Hello, guys. I just I was. I was in us Bank.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Stadium for or for the drive for the Vikings draft pick,
and and it was one of those kind of things
like we didn't get a chance like to pay close
attention to every single one of the drafts. And actually
literally it took just to get through the first round,
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so really we only really covered like the first round
and then we were like kind of we were out
of the place.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
But so how did you all feel? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I don't know if this question is like your team
draft picks or the.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Draft as a whole. How did you see it?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
I thought it was like, from my perspective, I thought
it was cool, but it was you know, it was
busy for me, so it I can't even imagine the
dudes who are taking part of the draft and all
those kind of things. But it was like okay to me.
I mean, it was like, you know, it's getting to
a point like the draft is the draft?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Is the draft?
Speaker 5 (01:59):
Sure?
Speaker 6 (02:00):
I mean, you know, excuse me. This is probably the
first year I watched pretty much every single round. Oh okay,
so I watched pretty much from start to finish. You know,
we'll talk about Shador Sanders later. But I thought it
was pretty good. And I thought, again, this was not
exciting draft. There was there's not a bunch of star
power in this draft. It was kind of Shador and
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Travis Hunter and that was pretty much it as far
as star power is concerned. But I thought overall, I
thought teams did a good job because there was not
a bunch of star power and addressing needs. Right, you've
seen a lot of old linemen. You see a lot
of d lineman. You've seen a lot of sort of
the non sexy football positions go early and often. I mean,
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it was a plethora of offensive lineman's tight ends, like
I said, defensive linemen. So I thought teams did a
good job of overall just pretty much. It wasn't too
many crazy things happening. It wasn't something that made you
necessarily scratch your hit per se. Obviously there were a couple,
but I thought teams did a good job of addressing
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their individual needs.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Yeah, I think that's that's the perfect way to sum
it up, is what Hollis just said. I mean, I
do think there was an emphasis on the trenches, you
know what I mean. People were shoring up their their
offensive line and their defensive line this year, and a
lot of it had to, you know, attributed to the
fact that it was it was a relatively weak quarterback,
you know class other than you know, you've got of
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course cam Ward and what was the Jackson Dart I
think first first round and so other than that, it
wasn't a real like sexy kind of draft, but it
was solid. I mean I think that it kind of followed,
you know, other than the Sanders slide, like you said,
we'll talk about in a minute or so. Other than that,
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it kind of went with, you know, the deep and
strong running backs, the tight ends, the offensive tackles, the
things that that teams met their needs with.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Okay, all right, So I'm going to ask a question
to to both of you all's analysis of the draft.
And I'm wondering, and I said this earlier today, I
feel like the running game is on its way back.
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And to the fact you start looking at running backs,
you start looking at offensive line, defensive line. All of
this to me signals we got to have an offensive line,
not necessarily to throw the ball, but to do what
But to run.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
We need a We need defensive.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Lineman, not just the pass rush, but to be able
to play the run. We is the NFL on a swing?
Is it swinging back to the running game? I would
say yes, And I provides you with a couple of reasons.
I think number one, when you look at the makeup
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of a lot of defense, says you're not you don't
have the big you know Michael Singletary's you don't have
those big, girthy linebackers or those defensive linements. You have
really what we maybe be considered like a safety back
in the day as playing middle linebacker or will or sam.
So I think what's happening is is that Number one,
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I think OC's are seeing that, hey, we may be
able to, you know, have a lane in running the ball.
And number two, I don't think it's sustainable that you
can have a quarterback to do all that at that level. Right,
quarterback can be responsible for running because to the like
I said, we'll talk about it later, but there's only
so many elite athletes that can actually do this, and
I mean at a high level.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Right.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
If you look at the quarterback who got drafted, Melroy
from Alabama, I mean no disrespect, but I had him packed.
I thought he's gonna be a running back, you know
what I'm saying, or maybe a wide out because you
know he's an athlete.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
He was not a great quarter college quarterback.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
He's really good, but not what I would project as
an NFL quarterback. But teams have to take that draft
pick now because you need the athletic guy. So to
answer your question, I think it's swinging back to running
backs because that way you can take the pressure off
your quarterback. You don't necessarily need a quarterback who can
do it all, who can just focus on that position.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Okay, I got a question to that.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Do you think that's that speaks to I'm gonna I'm
gonna call the athletic quarterback being.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Who can throw and run. That is that part of
that change too.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
You have to be if you can't do both, like
like I told you, like when you're talking about those
when you're talking about the Mahomes, the Josh Allen's, the
Lamar Jackson, the Jalen Hurst.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Girls, you have to be that.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
Yeah, you can't do both, and you can't just be
the pocket guy neither. You gotta be able to have
some wiggle to So could a tom Brady draft pick
be possible? I mean tom Brady's tom Brady, but I
think he still has the luxury of going to the
situation that he went into. If you watch a lot
of those Tom Brady clips, he wasn't necessarily he wasn't
get in touch. I mean, yeah, life is a linement
that burnt like you and they always had a pretty
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decent you know running back.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Jesus Sure, Well, I was just going to say, I
think we can thank the Philadelphia Eagles for this rebirth
in the running game as well. I mean they proved
they won a Super Bowl with Saquon Barkley and Jalen Hurts.
You know, they were the perfect perfect storm. You know,
they came in and they showed other NFL teams. You know,
if you have this offensive power, you have a mobile
quarterback and a running back that can you know, run
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the ball, will you have a chance to make it
to the Super Bowl and you know, find a way
to get there.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
And you know, and yeah, that's that's that's a fact
and the and the reality of having that is having
that quarterback to run because now you're looking at Barkley.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Now you fake it, you boot legg around. Now you
get yeah, that.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Because you have to be able to focus on one
of those particular guys and you can't do both.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
And now, even to this, it's sort of a strategic
advantage because again it's not like back in the day
far as practice schedule, you don't really do a whole
lot of hitting in practice more right, like they don't
do that. So if you got to go out and
you got a two hundred and thirty pounds running back
who can run a four four four five and ain't
afraid to stick his head. And I mean I can
imagine tacking tackling Derrick Henry, you know, with thirty players
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a game that's tough.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's a that's an issue, all right.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So this is a tough question.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
And Hollers, you sent this in to me, because here's
I'm gonna I'm gonna give my assessment again. Every draft
pick is not They don't turn out to be what
what you what you want them to be all the time.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
And so to your to your question about who won
the draft, I don't know yet. I don't know until
because there's somebody who needed depth. There was somebody who
needed somebody to come in and play right now, the
question would be did I secure that depth. We may
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not see it because maybe somebody doesn't get hurt. You
look at that guy that that position that you needed,
let's say quarterback.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
We won't know until they get there.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
So I really don't think and I think the draft
itself is as overhyped kind of a thing because almost
everybody's kind of really guessing.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
Well, I mean, I mean, I know the science behind it,
I mean, I know what you're saying, but I'm just saying,
as far as on draft day, who do we think
when obviously the time will tell.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
You know for sure, you.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Told me that the Vikings were like twenty or somebody
told me that the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Gave me the number. I don't even remember who it was.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Somebody gave it to me and they said the Vikings
were like ranked twenty eighth overall at in their draft picks.
And I'm not gonna I'm not going to try to
challenge that, but I'm going to say like that, I
think that the Vikings what they did do, what a
lot of guys were talking about, was they did go
after some things that they really needed. So now my
question to that is, does that mean that they're that
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that that means at least is not going to be
that good at the position she's playing, Hollis, Does that
mean you're not going to be that good at the position?
Speaker 6 (10:24):
How you too far ahead? I'm just talking about just
for the draft. Just who do we think wanted? We
don't Again, Tom will tell we don't know.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Yeah, I mean, it's like going to a restaurant and
bordered your food and don't at least good. Yeah, the
menu said it's going to see they're just missed, but
you know, the meal make them out completely different.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
I'll give you credit for that, and I'll take the
blame on that because because like for me, like I have,
I already have like a chip on my shoulder with
the draft, right, you know, and all the science that
people say that goes in it and all that kind
of stuff, I think that that's I don't know if
that really works because there's too many players that they
have missed. There's too many players that that they let
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that they didn't take that what what.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Other system could you implement that?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I don't know. I can't say that. I don't. It's
just a guessing game at this point.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
But what makes me, what bothers me, though, is how
how they continuously make this like so like, oh, we've
done all this work, We've done all this study, and
I'm not saying that they haven't.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
But own it. When you're wrong, I mean when.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
You're wrong, I mean who do you think one?
Speaker 6 (11:29):
I mean who won and lost? I liked what Cleveland
did initially and what I thought they were going to
do by trading out of that pick they had a
two picks, and I was like, they're doing the right thing,
because I'm saying for a franchise like that at this point,
you all you always want to get quality, but you
need quantity too if you're like Cleveland, Right, So them
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trading out, getting you know, additional picks next year, getting
additional picks this year. I thought they were the ones
that I'm like, Okay, they're finally getting it. But I mean,
I don't know, if you drafted two running backs, you
drafted two quarterbacks, a tight end in a d tackle,
it's like like like come on, man, and then you
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could have had your door rounds ahead. So it's to me,
I don't know if it's like they I thought they
won initially, but they probably end double probably gonna lose.
To me, it's like get the old lineman, get your
foundation set, and then kind of go there. Although you know,
and then people even have questions about make some grams.
So it's kind of like I thought they won initially
by doing the trade, but they probably in the blues.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
I think the Jaguars really benefited from that more so
than the Browns did. I mean, like you said, they
had that opportunity to take advantage of and they didn't.
They fumbled the ball that they seem to do that
a lot. But the Jaguars, I mean, I thought what
they did moving you know, from the fifth spot overall
to second to pick up Travis Hunter was was brilliant.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
You know.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
I think that was a good move on their part,
and you know, kind of a surprise, but you know,
I thought that was probably.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Your address is the need to ye so definitely. And
and and I really really really really.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Think that he can play, like I like, I really
do think like he's he's that good of a player.
Now again, I'm not sure if he'll play both positions,
but I think that there's an opportunity for him to
to step in every now and then if need be.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
But where does he step in at? Where does I'm thinking?
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I think I think My thoughts is I think he
should go to the defensive side, but I think that
they're going to start him on the offensive side. That's
what I think, because because what do you want? You
want to score points? You know what I'm saying. And
and and if he's a guy that can get you
some of that, and it's Trevor Trevor Lawrence, is there too.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
And he needs weapons.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Yeah, so I'm thinking I'm thinking that you you start him,
you start him at the at the O side, and
if we run into a situation where we need him
to shut that shut somebody down. Team that might have
a couple of really good receivers or whatever. Now maybe
we can send them over to the defensive side.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Right.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Well, I'll tell you this, This was pretty interesting. I
found this. But if they considered him to be a
starting cornerback rather than the offensive side of the ball,
then that would be the biggest draft of a non
quarterback position since nineteen sixty seven. Wow, and that's like
a year before I was born. Wow, it's been a minute.
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So yeah, I thought that was pretty impressive.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Story. That's crazy. Yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Highest drafted cornerback ever or not ever, but since nineteen
sixty seven. So that's that's a period of time.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I wouldn't have known. I wouldn't have I wouldn't have
thought like that. That would have never crossed my mind. Yeah,
so let's jump before before we take a break.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Let's jump. And I'm not jumping. I'm not jumped too far.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Sam the prank all the prank call. Yeah, now.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
There would be nowhere in my mind, nowhere in my
lifetime would I think somebody would sit at home and
think about it and say, you know what, what if
we just fake this call and call one?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
How do you get the number? You know how? There
was a story.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
There was a story to that, right, like dad left
an iPad unlocked with that had.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I didn't see that?
Speaker 6 (15:28):
Some numbers his father as a coach for the Falcons.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Yeah, so okay, he's a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Right. Also, okay, all right, I get it. I didn't
get I didn't get that. But still you're looking at
this number and you're like thinking, okay, I'm going to
call holl.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
At least twenty one that did the prank too. Not
a kid is.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
A teenager, but fat.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
The fact that the question is is like what should
what should happen? What should be the penalty for that?
Or should there be one?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Well?
Speaker 5 (16:01):
I will, I will put this out there because I
really think this is important. I know that should Or
has been getting some some bad press for you know,
personality things and just his presentation and the interviews and stuff,
so I know that's out there. But the way he
handled this whole situation was pretty classy. He come out
with his statement and and pretty much, you know, part
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of it, I'm not going to read it word for word,
was you know, he said, of course, I feel like
it was a childish act, but everybody does childish things
here and there, So I felt like, you know, that
was kind of a a a nice way of saying,
you know, I know you made a mistake, and everybody
makes mistakes. So I thought the way he handled it
was was pretty professional.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I think that.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
I think that's huge. But what should be the punish
Should they should they? Should they find the falcons? Should
the coach be punished? Obviously, I can't punish the who
did the prime.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
They punished the coach, though you left.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Your ipack on iPad unattended.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
I think that's a I think that's a team coach situation. Yeah,
the person who makes the call, I think, now you.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Well, I'm going to say one more thing, and I
promise I'll be quiet.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
No.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
No, But the NFL, okay, because we know this, this
particular call has been publicized right because it involves shdor
But the NFL confirmed to CNN just I think today
that you know, they're looking into additional prank calls that
happened with other draft tape fulls during this same period
of time, So it wasn't just an isolated incident. It
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was something that had happened during the draft more than once.
So it's an issue. It's not just this issue, it's
it's it's sounds like it's an overall issue. They needed
to solve the problem, all.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Right, So answer answer me this question.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Like you're sitting home, what makes you think like, oh,
you know what I'm going to I'm going to make
a print call and call somebody off the black like
they're getting drafted in a certain round, Like why why?
Speaker 6 (17:58):
That's like the nature of what kids do now. They
don't get twenty one. But what I'm saying is like
they get attention. You posted online, he he, you get
a bunch of hits. My question is what should happen
or is there something that should happen. Should the coach
be punished? Should the team be punished?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Okay, well let me ask you this.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
I don't think the team.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
I don't think the team should be punished, but I
think the coach. I think the son is I think
he's a grown man. So I don't think it's if
it's a kid, then the parents are accountable. If it's
an adult person making that call.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
You have I seem equipment in somebody breach team equipment
that you left unattended. That's your fault, that's my fault.
So the coach should be punished. So it should be
suspended or fine.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
So what about the other cause, well, we don't.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Know the details of other pranks.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
I'm saying, we know the details of this one that
his son got into his intended I pad, I would.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Find the coach.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
I would find the coach, But I gotta do something
to the person who made the who actually made the call.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
But you don't have an authority. You know, you don't
have any, But I'm.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Saying that that could be. That could with you know,
Shaudre and and and Dion. They're not gonna they're not.
But what I'm saying is you have no authority over
the person who did it. You have authority old person
who allowed the breach to happen. So that person has
to be punished. That sensitive quote unquote sensitive information that
you left just unattended, Like will they tell your work
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you you like if you leave your computer putting on
sleep Most so nobody can get into it, like you
wouldn't punished for that. I would have never thought in
my mind that there would be like people would do
this in the draft during draft time like like I
would have never.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
And I wonder if it's happened in the past, like
I mean, it has to have happened, and it just
wasn't publicized. I think this one was publicized because of
the situation of Shure.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
I think you gotta punish the coach if you ask me,
that's just something gotta happen.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
The twenty one year old has to be accountable.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
How to account he placed the call.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
He placed the call, but it's not illegal. It's not
like he did some crime.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
So what would you think the punishment would be fair
for the coach?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Suspension or fine?
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Okay, so if it was a suspension, what are you
talking two games?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Five games?
Speaker 6 (20:23):
A game or what a game? You know, maybe twenty
thousand dollars something like that.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
So just to make a statements, what you're pretty much saying.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
To like, if you got this equipment, you cannot leave
it lying around.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Now, that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Lock your iPad up, simple.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Maybe the kid found the password for his iPad too.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
I'm just saying you shouldn't be giving out the password
number because whatever information is in there, you might have information.
What I'm saying is this, here's the problem with that.
If you're if you have access that twenty one year
old kid has access to his father's iPad, then he
knows who's hurt, who's playing. So you can even start
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making bets off of this quote unquote insider information. So
you have to be punished to curtail any of that
moving forward. That's gonna open the floodgates to a bunch
of problems potentially.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
All right, well, all right, we got I think we
only got about three more minutes. I'm gonna I'm gonna
I'm gonna address something just because we don't even have
to have a conversation about it. I'll just kind of
speak on it. But if anybody else wants to say
something about it, that's fine. So we were at the
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draft at US Banks Stadium and Adrian Peterson was there
and he uh announced that one of the picks had
it took some time to have a conversation and talk
to the public and and all that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
And then later on that night he got arrested for DUI.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Allegedly allegedly Okay, and uh, you know one of those
kinds you know, being a person who don't has doesn't
drink now, but used to drink and drink a lot
and have driven with alcohol. You know, it's one of
those kind of things that you really don't you really
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don't think about.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
But one of the things that bothers me, and.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Why I've really wanted to say something about it was
because this was something that was to me. This would
be something that you would be proud to have done,
and it would be something that you could hold on
to forever. And I know that every event there's always
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going to be alcohol, there's going to be all of
that kind of stuff, and if you're a drinker, you know,
you may go too far or whatever. But I think
this was one of these kind of situations. This is
one of those moments that you know, as a former player,
that you get an opportunity to do that you just
can't mess up, you know, you just and I know,
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trust me, I know how easy it would be to
mess it up. I know how easy it would be
if I was back in the day and I was
drinking I know how easy it would be for me
to have, you know, go have some drinks and then
not thinking about I got to drive my car and
go somewhere.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
I don't know how you guys feel about this, but
in this day and age, there's no excuse to get
behind the wheel of a car when you know, I mean,
and it's alleged. We'll leave that there, you know what
Holli said. But I mean there's just so many options.
I mean, these guys could hire drivers. I mean, there's Uber.
I mean, there's just so many other modes of transportation.
When you know you're going to an event like this,
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and if you know you're going to be having some
alcoholic beverages and you know, maybe having a little more
fun than usual. I mean, it's just something that that
I don't know. I mean, there's ways to get from
point A to point B safely, more options than you
had probably when you were young. There was not uber.
There was you know, maybe a taxi was it. But
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but you know, and I'm sure, I mean he's he's
made it pretty well, right, I mean in his career,
he's got probably enough money to hire a driver.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah, Well, so why.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Not do something like that for an event like this.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
We we every time I go to Minnesota. So gentleman
by the name of Buddy Becker, who I'll give him
a little bit of a shout out, who picks with
me all the time. But one of the things that
he makes sure that we have is we have somebody
who's driving us. We we typically don't drive anywhere after
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a signing or get to the signing or coming back
from a signing or an event or whatever. You you're
you're never you're never gonna be drinking like or you're
never going to be driving, you know, even even there
will be guys who will pull up to his house, park,
get in a limo and go, you know, because it's
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just not at this point in time, it's just not
worth that type of that type of a risk, you know.
So how dose I don't think you're gonna say anything.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
I know, like situations like this, it's just like I'm cautious,
not the comment just on brewing legal battles, because I
just don't know the details. And I think it's in
our culture we've gotten a little bit you know, irresponsible,
just making all these broad assumptions when there's an allegation uh,
related to a criminal charge. But I think all the
points of valid and just has the bigger lesson, you know,
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don't drink and drive.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Yeah, anyway, which is which is at this point, it's
really simple at this point, It just you just should not.
And you know, and again I can confess that I
have done it way more times than I probably should have.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
But and when you're in a position like he is,
when you have the name and you know that they're
they're they're watching for that, I mean that part.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true too. All Right, we'll
take a break and ladies and gentlemen will be right back.
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Speaker 2 (27:20):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
And I purposely tried who give us the last half
of the show to potentially address Yeah, maybe the biggest
elephant in the room.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
And I don't know how long so Shador Sanders.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Yeah, it's been was considered one of the best players
in college football. And then we get to the draft.
He's expected to go somewhere, probably early in the first round.
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He ends up going into the fifth. Yeah, And as
a player, as a former player who has been in
the draft, it's probably well, I won't even say probably.
It is the hugest drop of any player in the
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draft that I have been a part on this projection.
You know, yes, based on his skill set, his projections
and all of that.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
And one of my concerns with that.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Is one is who he is, who his dad is.
But on the flip side of this, there were things
there were There were straight up conversation or or statements
that he made that I feel like put him in
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a situation as an as for ownerships, you know, for
the people who owned the teams, for the for the
for the team, for the individuals who are drafting him.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Like you're not going to be bigger than the NFL.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
You know.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
I just feel like the NFL felt like because you
can't play in the NFL without some kind of confidence. Sure,
you know, I tell people like for me during or after,
I don't, I don't, don't don't consider. I was like,
don't say to me I'm an okay, I was an
okay NFL player, because okay NFL players do not have
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that my resume. I'm not a Hall of Fame player
because I don't have that resume. You don't you don't
get the opportunity to take action on this skill set
player who's supposed to be a first round player. There's
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zero chances of him dropping to the fifth, fifth round.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
There's just there's just no way.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Unless somebody a group of people are saying, no, we're
not gonna take him.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Hollis is gonna Hollis. If I don't take him.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
And he's still out there, you're gonna take him, you
skip him. There's no way Lease is not taking him.
He's too good of a player. Somebody had some conversation
and say, we're gonna show them that you're not gonna
be bigger than NFLI.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I I really don't.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
It's the same conversation we had about Dak Prescott, right,
because of what we're saying if the analysis is saying
and again, and I'm not even going hypothetical, I'm not
going theoretical. I'm just going on what I see. We
look at the top five quarterbacks over the last several
years in the NFL, Mahomes, Allen Jackson, Hurts Burrow. They're
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all elite athletes, elite athletes playing the quarterback position. They
have the ability to not only scramble and run and
do all the thing and make all the throws, you
can make design runs with each of them. And we've
all seen all five of those quarterbacks win games with
their legs. So the model, the mode the modern quarterback
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has changed, and I agree he doesn't necessarily Again, he
doesn't necessarily fit that model. Again again, these are guys
that are six three, six' four four five four four
four three four to two?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Guys, right who can?
Speaker 5 (31:58):
Throw who can?
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Run who can do all the? RIGHT i, don't and
he doesn't.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
Fit he's a he's a throw back, quarterback six' one,
two ten. Not, Fast right So again, I'm Saying, hollis
lewis he was my second quarterback off. The Board if,
i'm drafting he doesn't get out the, second round, excuse
me the. First round he definitely doesn't even make it
to the second ROUND because i think he. Stills pliable he,
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can Play but i'm thinking for a. Modern quarterback some teams, just,
say look we're looking for. An, athlete hence While mill
rose Out of alabama was drafted.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Ahead, of sanders how does? That happen all be up
that he's an.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
Elite athlete and you made the statement again going Back To,
dak prescott you wouldn't have gave him the money you
would have gave.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Him up why he's not an. Elite athlete and.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
We don't think in this mode of football where you
got de Defensive Lineman ed rudgers running four threes and four,
to two's that he can get away. From anybody and
my last point On ME.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Qui tv their faces. Are awesome my, last.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Point some guys helped themselves playing in the. Bowl games
other guys hurt themselves playing in the. Bowl Game And
shador sanders probably hurt himself playing in that bowl game
taking all those sacks and showing him he couldn't get
away from that level of defensive linement and. Edge rushers,
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So Again hollis lewis ME, Playing gm he's coming off.
The BOARD but i could see why teams were just
like in addition to to all the off, Field stuff
i'm strictly talking on, The, Field okay.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
I'm totally on Board with hollis about the. Physical attributes,
you know all of the you, know this this arm strength, is,
questionable right and just. The, mobility okay so we can
see that definitely with you. On THAT but i think
there were, three REASONS and i think that was one.
OF them i do think that was one of them.
FOR sure i think the pre draft process that he.
Went through, you know he kind, of decided like you Said,
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to carl to, A degree i agree with what you're
saying that he did think he was bigger THAN the
nfl because he felt like he didn't have to participate
in the combat, combine activities, the field, you know the
field things that they. All do, You Know kim, Ward
Did travis, Hunter did so why did he feel like
he didn't have to? Do, That okay so that's, number
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two and then of course number three is the one we.
All know and that's, of course, you know his. Father's influence,
you know he came out in interviews before the draft
even started saying, things, like well, you know there are
certain TEAMS that i want my son to. Go to
in CERTAIN teams i don't want him to. Go to,
you know that hurt him, WHETHER yeah i don't think
he meant to hurt, his son but inadvertently that hurt
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him in, the draft and that calls. THE slot i
think those THREE things i.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
CAN go i can go with. That process There.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
When dion says and this is this Is not, Chador's,
issue no this is This is.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Dion's, Issue right.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Dion is sitting there coming off of maybe being THE
best dB potentially ever in the in THE in, Nfl history.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
And there is this co there is this Confidence that.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Dad, had SURE but, I know i'm not even sure
really in some of the Things that chador.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Was Saying that.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
DION said i don't even Know if deon said some
of the things that, He SAID but I think dion's
making the case about there's teams that he won't.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Play, for dude you can't.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
Pick that but some, people, say Well arch manning did
that with, they might they might, and that and they,
be fair they'd, be fair but.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
You're you're dion and and whatever the reasons are that
it was okay For a manning to, say it but
it wasn't Okay for sanders just saying that's a whole.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Nother, show okay.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
It ain't, really well it's on, the field. It is
it becomes on, The, FIELD okay i think that's what we're. All,
skipping well and and and here's and here's.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
The thing if you say it's on, the field he's
gonna get on.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
The field that's a. Fifth round maybe, you know it's
one hundred quarterbacks in. That Room If, lord brown, look
It most. Brown, thing ever if he's going to be,
the guy well let me just. SAY that i don't
want to say he's gonna be, the guy but if
if he is, the guy he should come out of
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that battle, with quarterbacks the, battle quarterbacks and and be
the and be the guy.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
He'll, be okay if he's if he's what they purport him,
to be He'll.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Be he'll rise to the top. Of, That okay i'm
gonna go on. The, Record okay i'm gonna go on.
The record i'm gonna think this is going to be
twenty five thousand times harder for him.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
To do.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Not saying he can't, do it but because this is all,
the talk this is gonna be all.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
The talk all the talk is gonna be.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
On, him now he may, like that and that he
might he might use that, as, motivation, Motivation motivation, but
dude when you're not the, first guy it, second guy
and you're going you're going into camp as as a
as a fifth, round pick seventh, round pick and there's all.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
These guys that the camps last on the you are
last on. The depth taruck just going in and does it?
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Fuel? You absolutely? But it but there's gonna be guys
that have a better resume.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Than, you now the question Will be i'm, gonna say,
Of course i'm, gonna say, you know there may be
there may not be a quarterback that's gonna be on
his that he would have to, beat out that will
have a better resume.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
Than, Him Nah, Joe Flacco. KENNY picking, i mean the
guys who played IN.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
The nfl they've been around.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
A minute but my my.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
Other, theory though was just that MAYBE the nfl just
did this to make us watch, the draft.
Speaker 8 (38:17):
You know because we would you wouldn't even watch the,
because again they, traded out they could have got both of,
these guys and like they could have wrapped this up
in the first and second round guy who they wanted
and got really the, same, Result right so maybe they
was just, that's why, you know they just pushed him back, and,
said well we got to, get SOMEBODY because, i MEAN The,
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nfl draft it was more.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Viewers than that Didn't, Exactly lakers. Minnesota game more wanted.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
To see where. He, landed seriously did you? HAVE something
i was Just gonna i'm cracking up at what he's
saying about the. Raggedy draft but the other part of.
IT is I mean i saw people on social media
like that that never even followed football that were, watching
this watch around round to see where where.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
HE landed i think they said that it was it
was there were more, people watching continue watching, second THIRD.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Or i watched.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
Every round i've never. Done that I'VE been i watched
EVERY sing I was espn just. Watching everything and by
the time he, GOT drafted i, was, Like man i'm
just gonna ride.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
It out watched it go to the end and and
here's the and here's the. Other thing.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Has anybody really seen Like like shador has never really
looked like he. Was upset dion really has never looked
like he.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
Was upset maybe it maybe.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
HERE'S what, i think but but HERE'S what.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
I think to the degree IN which I think dion
would have gone for his son to go from one to,
fifth round where the issue is going to show up
is in.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
The money, well, no, no wait, wait, no no they
don't need. No money you know that's NOT but, i
mean we all need. Some money it's not about it's.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
Not about it's not.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
About need it's about being the GUY me nfl IN
the nfl, dollars mad but necessarily, to anything but how
you gonna get more money? Than ME because i came
in before You and i'm playing that's that's that's how.
Speaker 6 (40:29):
To lead he ain't gonna, get no but it's all
Set ain't so let me ask, You, that okay talking about,
conspiracy theories do you, think, possibly Possibly maybe dion Orchestrated
this Just what i'm saying is, this though because like,
you know he's been playing with his dad pretty much
his whole, collegiate career pretty his, whole, life right so
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this will be the first time from out under. Dad's
Wing and dad, was, like well we got to do
something to give him a little like to to make.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
HIM face i can. SEE that i could see that
about it. A point that's a.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Good point and and You, know dion and there's so
many fake things. OUT there i fell for a couple
of things that were sytire or just just playing just flat.
Out lies but he did go on the interview Right.
With shador dion Did to cleveland after he Was. Drafted,
cleveland yeah and there were things, out there, you know
floating about in social media saying things like well he
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went up there to, tell them, you know his son
wasn't going to play second to. Any, quarterback now that
wasn't how it. Went down he actually went up there
and just said thank you for drafting. My SON so
i mean, to me he's already kind of like accepted
that my son's got to go. Up here he's got
to show them that he deserves to be here and
show him what he's made of and and, you know
find a way. TO start, I mean i think he's
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kind of accepted the fact and. HE knows i think
he's seen the error of. His, Ways, yes dion.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Poor. HIS brother i don't know if you. Go, NOWHERE yeah.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
I know he kind of dropped his dad as, an agent.
Didn't he said he, Was terrible like he Said that.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Di is dion is.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
Like he he he doesn't Have any this, is good.
HE doesn't i don't want to use. THIS word i
was gonna, use respect but that's not right because he
because he is. Definitely Respectful, respect yeah he's he's one.
Hundred respectful but what he he buys into everything that he.
Believes though when he when he believes in when he believes,
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in something he is locked into it and you can't
bring him out.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Of it, you know you you think he's not gonna
go shut.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
Somebody down when he says he's gonna shut, somebody, down
right he's probably likely gonna shut that dude. Down right in,
THIS situation i feel like he one buys into should
do it like like like like he thinks he's that that's. His,
son yeah, He He but i'm saying he's looking at him.
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Beyond son he's looking at him as, football player, as
quarterback and seeing him as like. He is he is
the next. Great thing you talked about, the metrics size
and all those kinds.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Of THINGS what i like about HIM is I like
i LIKE his i like his HIS his.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
I don't i CAN'T say i know his, work ethic
but the work ETHIC that i believe that he has
in him and the confidence in which HE has i
think his confidence to.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Speak it you can't speak like. Your dad.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
You can't, you know you can't say some of these
things that you're saying because you're disrespecting what the. League
is and you probably should just, get in get in
and then let your game speak for itself because.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
We've already. Had dyon you're, not him.
Speaker 6 (44:05):
YE see i think that's kind of, you know maybe a.
Different conversation but that's kind OF what i, thought too
is that maybe, you know to, Your point dion sort
of jumping the gun in some of the things that
he's saying because he's saying it is though. It's him but,
You Know, deon sanders in, my book is the greatest.
Athlete ever he's the greatest athlete ever to, you know
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put on. Any uniform but so you can't necessarily have
that same pravado for your son because your son ain't
you you Know what. I'm, saying SO like, i SAID like,
I said i would have picked him in the. First
ROUND but i understand why, teams WOULDN'T like i, get
IT like i, Get IT and i think too many
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times when we have, this conversations we'll go, to race
we'll go to, the dad we'll go, to bravado we'll
go to, this well just on, THE field i can
understand why, they wouldn't you Know what. I'm saying so
now he's in a POSITION which, i THINK like, I
said i think again he can rise to. The top
Now whether cleveland is the spots you really want to, be.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
At now that that's.
Speaker 6 (45:10):
Another thing that's, another thing because that seems like a very,
dysfunctional franchise even judging from kind of the moves that
they made. This year hopefully they got a long game
that they are, planning to, you know right this SHIP because,
i MEAN like, i said when you got a core
you literally have with five quarterbacks and a quarterback, make,
sense sanity and you probably have the worst Contract with
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watson ever in the history. Of sports so it's like
it's just one thing.
Speaker 5 (45:38):
After another a graveyard, up there don't they like play
somebody's decorated their yard with all the quarterbacks And.
Speaker 6 (45:43):
The browns and even another point to that is like
when You've, got gabriel he was your first round. Draft
pick so to the point when you're talking about, in
practice you got to give him. The reps you Know what,
i'm saying you at least got to. Start, now again
not to say he'll hold, his position but when you're
coming into the mini camp and where you're going into
the official camp start to the twenty twenty, five season
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he gotta get those, third team second team reps because he's, the,
Investment right so you're really starting from behind the. Eight
ball you really gotta have you got to really be
locked in because being. A quarterback and if you're not
in the first and, second team if you're in the third, or,
fourteen bro you just ain't. Getting reps and it's hard
to sit back there when you just ain't getting. An
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OPPORTUNITY and, i THINK and i think the reality of
the five qbs like and, the yes which.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
Is crazy the order is really going to dictate a
whole lot of things right out of.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
The, shoot yeah, you know and then the first.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
Preseason, game okay so now there's going to be a
couple quarterbacks not. Gonna, play, yeah watchson he already, not
playing so he's going from five. To, four yeah so,
so four you're not gonna play four quarterbacks in the
game in. A, Precision, no no you're gonna probably play
two and maybe unless you're gonna, do quarters which you
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ain't got enough time in. The quarters you might get,
what one you might get, one series maybe. One, series
yeah that might be. The max that. Ain't enough so now.
You're talking so now you're talking about. A half so
you got a quarterback four. A half what does he?
Speaker 6 (47:33):
Look LIKE although, I mean i would say in, this
situation depending on how they, do it because you don't
necessarily need To see joe flaccoh, you know we.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
So you really need. To see who you really need
to See Is.
Speaker 6 (47:46):
Kenny pickett that's who you really need to see if
that guy can be my backup well?
Speaker 4 (47:50):
Or not he gotta go the other piece to what,
you're saying you get a quarterback at the. Fifth round
he ain't your GUY like, i mean he's not your
starter like he's he's a he's he's.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Not a projected he's not your.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Projective starter he's the guy that, you know, you know
he might make, the team, you know and.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
He could be, you know, you, know.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
EXPENDABLE expendable i don't think they gonn do that with, Him,
NOW no i don't think that's what's. Gonna happen but if,
you're four where are? You now because you you know
you're at, The bottom sure doors, behind you you already
know that ain't there's a there's a there's something magical.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Sitting.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
There ye so now you're four and you got three
more guys ahead.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Of you who?
Speaker 4 (48:39):
Are you how many times you're gonna have to how
many times You're, gonna yeah that's a.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Huge task you gotta get on the field and you
got to.
Speaker 6 (48:46):
Show it out into limited reps with, limited reps so
whatever you, do get you gotta be ready. To go so, it's,
like again you cannot, be IN which i think he,
this is he'll probably. BE okay i don't think he's
going to live in. HIS head i think and he'll, just,
say hey whenever it's, My turn i'm gonna show out and.
Show UP so i think that's what you have. To
do because the moment you start to, doubt yourself the
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moment you start to get in, your head.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
You're, Done see. I'm scared i'm scared of.
Speaker 4 (49:11):
The opposite i'm scared of the conversation of talking about
getting in LIKE like i need to. Be in let's
let's say you go the first preseason game and you don't,
play okay and You know. God's play they play, pretty
good one might not play. Really well is there conversation
because where's the? Media going they're coming?
Speaker 2 (49:30):
To YOU but i don't think.
Speaker 6 (49:32):
YOU can i mean hopefully he'll HAVE A PR pr
rep and you can't do that from, That, spot like
from from that spot this has worked your way, up
spot so you can't.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
Do, that okay, but okay TO, your pr TO your,
pr guy or lady. Or, lady yeah here's the problem, With.
That lisen in, My mind dion is out. There now he.
May be he may because he's been. Pretty quiet in.
MY mind i think he's been pretty quiet at.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
THIS point i just.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
Don't know confidence is a, good thing and it's and,
it's beneficial but you can't you can't throw it out
there against TEAMMATES.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Like i should be in front. Of us that's a
fact that, you KNOW and i think that's a.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
Tough thing but even to, the, sorry no you, go
ahead you.
Speaker 6 (50:23):
Know what, I'm saying even To the, Dion, Point, DEAN
honest i got a, whole program. He coaches he ain't
gonna have time to be around. Like that, Good point,
LIKE like i really don't understand how he would even
be that intimately involved, in this maybe making a, phone,
call watching but you know how it is during the.
Colle season he gotta watch it as a private PLAY private.
I Know but i'm, just saying how how? How involved.
Speaker 5 (50:46):
That's, true yeah that's a. GOOD point i want to
go off the Topic of shador just for. A second
this is just something that popped into, My head SO
that's i was gonna run it by. You guys but,
you know this was the first year of the Collegiate
national playoff when we had, you know sixteen teams rather
than just the. Last, Four right i'm just curious to
Think if colorado would have been a part of the
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conversation of making that playoff and maybe making a, you
know maybe winning a game or two in, their run
would it have been Different for, SHADOR rather, i mean
if they would have been able TO prove I just
i'm curious to think how many of these players they've
drafted were a part of the. PLAYOFF scenario, i mean.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
That's actually a. GOOD question i don't know if it
would have made a.
Speaker 6 (51:29):
HUGE difference i think to the point it was Probably
again i'm not playing, you know, conspiracy theory but it
could have been some collusion in addition to his measurables
and different things like that on. The FIELD so i,
DON'T know i don't think it would have played that
much DIFFERENT lesson i mean that a, national.
Speaker 5 (51:47):
Champ well THAT'S what, i, mean like, you know looking, at, him,
like okay did he have the leadership skills to be
able to take his team to the playoffs and, you
know seeing and be able to do the things that
he needed to do to win and help his team.
Be successful he didn't do. Those things ended up in a,
bowl game right that he ended up they, they, lost right.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
He lost.
Speaker 5 (52:07):
So that could have his stock?
Speaker 6 (52:10):
Did?
Speaker 4 (52:10):
Hurt, hi yeah and and and and that's a very
very that's a very very valid point of just seeing
him in in the in the, bowl GAME and i, you,
know yeah but long, after that there was all this
conversation about. How, great NOW what i will say is
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the people who were making those conversations they.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Weren't ownership.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
It, wasn't ownership, you know so from your side, of
it hollers like ownership never really.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Said that they never. Spoke out they never, do though, you,
know no they. Never do but.
Speaker 4 (52:51):
The conversation of where he was going, TO go i
think came from the same places that.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
They all.
Speaker 4 (53:01):
And the problem with that is, Is, like okay what?
What happened there had to, Have somewhere there had to
have been, some conversation.
Speaker 5 (53:11):
They said the interviews WERE really, i heard he just
did not.
Speaker 4 (53:15):
Do well and and and now imagine him sitting in
there and you having a conversation, with him because it's
gonna be, all me all that you talk about Is
going i'm gonna respond to you as all me.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
Now, you, you, you, management.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
You.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
Ownership you you probably are not. Liking that That's what.
Speaker 6 (53:38):
I'm saying if and if and, IF again i, don't
know but if the interviews went left in addition to
the tape that, you had in addition, To again i'm
NOT saying.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
I know i don't think it was.
Speaker 5 (53:49):
ONE thing i think that's a.
Speaker 6 (53:51):
Combination in addition, to like, you know some of the
some of the things that far as what you're deeming
is what quarterbacks should be able to do at this
level now modern and then you at the measurables and
then you're looking at everything around and he kind of
maybe fall out of love, with it, like eh because
it's like if you're drafting a quarterback, that high you
gotta love me well and you know and and and
you got to be and you're listening and, watching everything
(54:13):
everything that plays and everything that everybody else is saying
too about you is calculated into and do you think.
Speaker 5 (54:21):
He hollis you watched the first ROUND on TV like?
I did? Did you and he, Wasn't there like he
wasn't even even before anybody even knew that he was
going to take. This fall he wasn't present at the,
First round like did he? ALREADY know, i think do
you have to?
Speaker 2 (54:35):
BE invited i know he had a.
Speaker 5 (54:37):
Room ready, for him like he had his. Room deck
but you.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Can you can say you're not you can just would you?
Speaker 5 (54:44):
Do that if you're thinking you're going to go in the, first.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
Round why would you you may know you may.
Speaker 5 (54:48):
Not, Go exactly. That's that that was the first thing
that crossed. My mind and, in fact we were all
texting in the GROUP and, i said that's why he's.
Not there, HE'D somehow i mean maybe caught wind of
it that well.
Speaker 4 (54:59):
And, seeing THAT and i kind of led off, with
that and, you know And again hollis doesn't and rightfully
so doesn't want to get into the conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
If, He, knew.
Speaker 5 (55:10):
Well, they talked don't they? JUST talk, i mean they kind.
Of nut but here's. The, thing players somebody would, have
told somebody could have told the.
Speaker 4 (55:16):
Coach could have got to them and told, them, like
look this is probably what's going.
Speaker 2 (55:20):
To happen just want to give you all the.
Speaker 4 (55:22):
Heads up but once it, STARTED happening i mean it
IT went, i mean it just it just took.
Speaker 6 (55:30):
Off, because normally like the first ten picks, are there like,
Those guys yeah.
Speaker 5 (55:34):
You saw his. EMPTY boots i, was like wait, a
minute what's up? With that and then when they didn't call,
HIS name I was.
Speaker 4 (55:40):
I wasn't shocked about not them not being there because
on the on the other side, of IT and i
think a lot of players that are going to be
in that early round typically like to be home with
your family. And friends and it's not like you're not
going to have a camera, in there you Know what.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
I'm saying, you know so you rather. CELEBRATED there i.
Speaker 5 (55:59):
Can't imagine dion missing that opportunity to, you know his
sunshine on, the STAGE and.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
I DON'T and i, say this and we got to
close it. Out here BUT if I if.
Speaker 4 (56:12):
I could get Inside of dion's mind AND if i,
was thinking LIKE if i were trying to think, LIKE
him i don't want to be there NECESSARILY because i
don't want to feel like people THINKING that.
Speaker 2 (56:25):
I am i want my son to have, his moment
you Know what.
Speaker 4 (56:29):
I'm saying and because everybody he knows, everybody's saying, You
know dion is basically running his life and all that
point even.
Speaker 6 (56:38):
Shador itself he'll take all the air off. The room, so, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (56:42):
Yeah well ladies, and gentlemen we hope you enjoyed the
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
This is Carl Lee and I have my co hosts,
Lisa Odie and Hollis Lewis in the building.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Hello, guys. I just I was. I was in us Bank.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Stadium for or for the drive for the Vikings draft pick,
and and it was one of those kind of things
like we didn't get a chance like to pay close
attention to every single one of the drafts. And actually
literally it took just to get through the first round,
(01:19):
so really we only really covered like the first round
and then we were like kind of we were out
of the place.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
But so how did you all feel? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I don't know if this question is like your team
draft picks or the.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Draft as a whole. How did you see it?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
I thought it was like, from my perspective, I thought
it was cool, but it was you know, it was
busy for me, so it I can't even imagine the
dudes who are taking part of the draft and all
those kind of things. But it was like okay to me.
I mean, it was like, you know, it's getting to
a point like the draft is the draft?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Is the draft?
Speaker 5 (01:59):
Sure?
Speaker 6 (02:00):
I mean, you know, excuse me. This is probably the
first year I watched pretty much every single round. Oh okay,
so I watched pretty much from start to finish. You know,
we'll talk about Shador Sanders later. But I thought it
was pretty good. And I thought, again, this was not
exciting draft. There was there's not a bunch of star
power in this draft. It was kind of Shador and
(02:22):
Travis Hunter and that was pretty much it as far
as star power is concerned. But I thought overall, I
thought teams did a good job because there was not
a bunch of star power and addressing needs. Right, you've
seen a lot of old linemen. You see a lot
of d lineman. You've seen a lot of sort of
the non sexy football positions go early and often. I mean,
(02:45):
it was a plethora of offensive lineman's tight ends, like
I said, defensive linemen. So I thought teams did a
good job of overall just pretty much. It wasn't too
many crazy things happening. It wasn't something that made you
necessarily scratch your hit per se. Obviously there were a couple,
but I thought teams did a good job of addressing
(03:05):
their individual needs.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Yeah, I think that's that's the perfect way to sum
it up, is what Hollis just said. I mean, I
do think there was an emphasis on the trenches, you
know what I mean. People were shoring up their their
offensive line and their defensive line this year, and a
lot of it had to, you know, attributed to the
fact that it was it was a relatively weak quarterback,
you know class other than you know, you've got of
(03:27):
course cam Ward and what was the Jackson Dart I
think first first round and so other than that, it
wasn't a real like sexy kind of draft, but it
was solid. I mean I think that it kind of followed,
you know, other than the Sanders slide, like you said,
we'll talk about in a minute or so. Other than that,
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it kind of went with, you know, the deep and
strong running backs, the tight ends, the offensive tackles, the
things that that teams met their needs with.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Okay, all right, So I'm going to ask a question
to to both of you all's analysis of the draft.
And I'm wondering, and I said this earlier today, I
feel like the running game is on its way back.
(04:18):
And to the fact you start looking at running backs,
you start looking at offensive line, defensive line. All of
this to me signals we got to have an offensive line,
not necessarily to throw the ball, but to do what
But to run.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
We need a We need defensive.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Lineman, not just the pass rush, but to be able
to play the run. We is the NFL on a swing?
Is it swinging back to the running game? I would
say yes, And I provides you with a couple of reasons.
I think number one, when you look at the makeup
(04:59):
of a lot of defense, says you're not you don't
have the big you know Michael Singletary's you don't have
those big, girthy linebackers or those defensive linements. You have
really what we maybe be considered like a safety back
in the day as playing middle linebacker or will or sam.
So I think what's happening is is that Number one,
(05:19):
I think OC's are seeing that, hey, we may be
able to, you know, have a lane in running the ball.
And number two, I don't think it's sustainable that you
can have a quarterback to do all that at that level. Right,
quarterback can be responsible for running because to the like
I said, we'll talk about it later, but there's only
so many elite athletes that can actually do this, and
I mean at a high level.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Right.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
If you look at the quarterback who got drafted, Melroy
from Alabama, I mean no disrespect, but I had him packed.
I thought he's gonna be a running back, you know
what I'm saying, or maybe a wide out because you
know he's an athlete.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
He was not a great quarter college quarterback.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
He's really good, but not what I would project as
an NFL quarterback. But teams have to take that draft
pick now because you need the athletic guy. So to
answer your question, I think it's swinging back to running
backs because that way you can take the pressure off
your quarterback. You don't necessarily need a quarterback who can
do it all, who can just focus on that position.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Okay, I got a question to that.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Do you think that's that speaks to I'm gonna I'm
gonna call the athletic quarterback being.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Who can throw and run. That is that part of
that change too.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
You have to be if you can't do both, like
like I told you, like when you're talking about those
when you're talking about the Mahomes, the Josh Allen's, the
Lamar Jackson, the Jalen Hurst.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Girls, you have to be that.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
Yeah, you can't do both, and you can't just be
the pocket guy neither. You gotta be able to have
some wiggle to So could a tom Brady draft pick
be possible? I mean tom Brady's tom Brady, but I
think he still has the luxury of going to the
situation that he went into. If you watch a lot
of those Tom Brady clips, he wasn't necessarily he wasn't
get in touch. I mean, yeah, life is a linement
that burnt like you and they always had a pretty
(07:11):
decent you know running back.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Jesus Sure, Well, I was just going to say, I
think we can thank the Philadelphia Eagles for this rebirth
in the running game as well. I mean they proved
they won a Super Bowl with Saquon Barkley and Jalen Hurts.
You know, they were the perfect perfect storm. You know,
they came in and they showed other NFL teams. You know,
if you have this offensive power, you have a mobile
quarterback and a running back that can you know, run
(07:33):
the ball, will you have a chance to make it
to the Super Bowl and you know, find a way
to get there.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
And you know, and yeah, that's that's that's a fact
and the and the reality of having that is having
that quarterback to run because now you're looking at Barkley.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Now you fake it, you boot legg around. Now you
get yeah, that.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Because you have to be able to focus on one
of those particular guys and you can't do both.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
And now, even to this, it's sort of a strategic
advantage because again it's not like back in the day
far as practice schedule, you don't really do a whole
lot of hitting in practice more right, like they don't
do that. So if you got to go out and
you got a two hundred and thirty pounds running back
who can run a four four four five and ain't
afraid to stick his head. And I mean I can
imagine tacking tackling Derrick Henry, you know, with thirty players
(08:24):
a game that's tough.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's a that's an issue, all right.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So this is a tough question.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
And Hollers, you sent this in to me, because here's
I'm gonna I'm gonna give my assessment again. Every draft
pick is not They don't turn out to be what
what you what you want them to be all the time.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
And so to your to your question about who won
the draft, I don't know yet. I don't know until
because there's somebody who needed depth. There was somebody who
needed somebody to come in and play right now, the
question would be did I secure that depth. We may
(09:12):
not see it because maybe somebody doesn't get hurt. You
look at that guy that that position that you needed,
let's say quarterback.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
We won't know until they get there.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
So I really don't think and I think the draft
itself is as overhyped kind of a thing because almost
everybody's kind of really guessing.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
Well, I mean, I mean, I know the science behind it,
I mean, I know what you're saying, but I'm just saying,
as far as on draft day, who do we think
when obviously the time will tell.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
You know for sure, you.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Told me that the Vikings were like twenty or somebody
told me that the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Gave me the number. I don't even remember who it was.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Somebody gave it to me and they said the Vikings
were like ranked twenty eighth overall at in their draft picks.
And I'm not gonna I'm not going to try to
challenge that, but I'm going to say like that, I
think that the Vikings what they did do, what a
lot of guys were talking about, was they did go
after some things that they really needed. So now my
question to that is, does that mean that they're that
(10:16):
that that means at least is not going to be
that good at the position she's playing, Hollis, Does that
mean you're not going to be that good at the position?
Speaker 6 (10:24):
How you too far ahead? I'm just talking about just
for the draft. Just who do we think wanted? We
don't Again, Tom will tell we don't know.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Yeah, I mean, it's like going to a restaurant and
bordered your food and don't at least good. Yeah, the
menu said it's going to see they're just missed, but
you know, the meal make them out completely different.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
I'll give you credit for that, and I'll take the
blame on that because because like for me, like I have,
I already have like a chip on my shoulder with
the draft, right, you know, and all the science that
people say that goes in it and all that kind
of stuff, I think that that's I don't know if
that really works because there's too many players that they
have missed. There's too many players that that they let
(11:02):
that they didn't take that what what.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Other system could you implement that?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I don't know. I can't say that. I don't. It's
just a guessing game at this point.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
But what makes me, what bothers me, though, is how
how they continuously make this like so like, oh, we've
done all this work, We've done all this study, and
I'm not saying that they haven't.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
But own it. When you're wrong, I mean when.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
You're wrong, I mean who do you think one?
Speaker 6 (11:29):
I mean who won and lost? I liked what Cleveland
did initially and what I thought they were going to
do by trading out of that pick they had a
two picks, and I was like, they're doing the right thing,
because I'm saying for a franchise like that at this point,
you all you always want to get quality, but you
need quantity too if you're like Cleveland, Right, So them
(11:50):
trading out, getting you know, additional picks next year, getting
additional picks this year. I thought they were the ones
that I'm like, Okay, they're finally getting it. But I mean,
I don't know, if you drafted two running backs, you
drafted two quarterbacks, a tight end in a d tackle,
it's like like like come on, man, and then you
(12:12):
could have had your door rounds ahead. So it's to me,
I don't know if it's like they I thought they
won initially, but they probably end double probably gonna lose.
To me, it's like get the old lineman, get your
foundation set, and then kind of go there. Although you know,
and then people even have questions about make some grams.
So it's kind of like I thought they won initially
by doing the trade, but they probably in the blues.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
I think the Jaguars really benefited from that more so
than the Browns did. I mean, like you said, they
had that opportunity to take advantage of and they didn't.
They fumbled the ball that they seem to do that
a lot. But the Jaguars, I mean, I thought what
they did moving you know, from the fifth spot overall
to second to pick up Travis Hunter was was brilliant.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
You know.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
I think that was a good move on their part,
and you know, kind of a surprise, but you know,
I thought that was probably.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Your address is the need to ye so definitely. And
and and I really really really really.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Think that he can play, like I like, I really
do think like he's he's that good of a player.
Now again, I'm not sure if he'll play both positions,
but I think that there's an opportunity for him to
to step in every now and then if need be.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
But where does he step in at? Where does I'm thinking?
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I think I think My thoughts is I think he
should go to the defensive side, but I think that
they're going to start him on the offensive side. That's
what I think, because because what do you want? You
want to score points? You know what I'm saying. And
and and if he's a guy that can get you
some of that, and it's Trevor Trevor Lawrence, is there too.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
And he needs weapons.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Yeah, so I'm thinking I'm thinking that you you start him,
you start him at the at the O side, and
if we run into a situation where we need him
to shut that shut somebody down. Team that might have
a couple of really good receivers or whatever. Now maybe
we can send them over to the defensive side.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Right.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Well, I'll tell you this, This was pretty interesting. I
found this. But if they considered him to be a
starting cornerback rather than the offensive side of the ball,
then that would be the biggest draft of a non
quarterback position since nineteen sixty seven. Wow, and that's like
a year before I was born. Wow, it's been a minute.
(14:25):
So yeah, I thought that was pretty impressive.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Story. That's crazy. Yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Highest drafted cornerback ever or not ever, but since nineteen
sixty seven. So that's that's a period of time.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I wouldn't have known. I wouldn't have I wouldn't have
thought like that. That would have never crossed my mind. Yeah,
so let's jump before before we take a break.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Let's jump. And I'm not jumping. I'm not jumped too far.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Sam the prank all the prank call. Yeah, now.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
There would be nowhere in my mind, nowhere in my
lifetime would I think somebody would sit at home and
think about it and say, you know what, what if
we just fake this call and call one?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
How do you get the number? You know how? There
was a story.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
There was a story to that, right, like dad left
an iPad unlocked with that had.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I didn't see that?
Speaker 6 (15:28):
Some numbers his father as a coach for the Falcons.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Yeah, so okay, he's a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Right. Also, okay, all right, I get it. I didn't
get I didn't get that. But still you're looking at
this number and you're like thinking, okay, I'm going to
call holl.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
At least twenty one that did the prank too. Not
a kid is.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
A teenager, but fat.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
The fact that the question is is like what should
what should happen? What should be the penalty for that?
Or should there be one?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Well?
Speaker 5 (16:01):
I will, I will put this out there because I
really think this is important. I know that should Or
has been getting some some bad press for you know,
personality things and just his presentation and the interviews and stuff,
so I know that's out there. But the way he
handled this whole situation was pretty classy. He come out
with his statement and and pretty much, you know, part
(16:23):
of it, I'm not going to read it word for word,
was you know, he said, of course, I feel like
it was a childish act, but everybody does childish things
here and there, So I felt like, you know, that
was kind of a a a nice way of saying,
you know, I know you made a mistake, and everybody
makes mistakes. So I thought the way he handled it
was was pretty professional.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I think that.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
I think that's huge. But what should be the punish
Should they should they? Should they find the falcons? Should
the coach be punished? Obviously, I can't punish the who
did the prime.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
They punished the coach, though you left.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Your ipack on iPad unattended.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
I think that's a I think that's a team coach situation. Yeah,
the person who makes the call, I think, now you.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Well, I'm going to say one more thing, and I
promise I'll be quiet.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
No.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
No, But the NFL, okay, because we know this, this
particular call has been publicized right because it involves shdor
But the NFL confirmed to CNN just I think today
that you know, they're looking into additional prank calls that
happened with other draft tape fulls during this same period
of time, So it wasn't just an isolated incident. It
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was something that had happened during the draft more than once.
So it's an issue. It's not just this issue, it's
it's it's sounds like it's an overall issue. They needed
to solve the problem, all.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Right, So answer answer me this question.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Like you're sitting home, what makes you think like, oh,
you know what I'm going to I'm going to make
a print call and call somebody off the black like
they're getting drafted in a certain round, Like why why?
Speaker 6 (17:58):
That's like the nature of what kids do now. They
don't get twenty one. But what I'm saying is like
they get attention. You posted online, he he, you get
a bunch of hits. My question is what should happen
or is there something that should happen. Should the coach
be punished? Should the team be punished?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Okay, well let me ask you this.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
I don't think the team.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
I don't think the team should be punished, but I
think the coach. I think the son is I think
he's a grown man. So I don't think it's if
it's a kid, then the parents are accountable. If it's
an adult person making that call.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
You have I seem equipment in somebody breach team equipment
that you left unattended. That's your fault, that's my fault.
So the coach should be punished. So it should be
suspended or fine.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
So what about the other cause, well, we don't.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Know the details of other pranks.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
I'm saying, we know the details of this one that
his son got into his intended I pad, I would.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Find the coach.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
I would find the coach, But I gotta do something
to the person who made the who actually made the call.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
But you don't have an authority. You know, you don't
have any, But I'm.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Saying that that could be. That could with you know,
Shaudre and and and Dion. They're not gonna they're not.
But what I'm saying is you have no authority over
the person who did it. You have authority old person
who allowed the breach to happen. So that person has
to be punished. That sensitive quote unquote sensitive information that
you left just unattended, Like will they tell your work
(19:31):
you you like if you leave your computer putting on
sleep Most so nobody can get into it, like you
wouldn't punished for that. I would have never thought in
my mind that there would be like people would do
this in the draft during draft time like like I
would have never.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
And I wonder if it's happened in the past, like
I mean, it has to have happened, and it just
wasn't publicized. I think this one was publicized because of
the situation of Shure.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
I think you gotta punish the coach if you ask me,
that's just something gotta happen.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
The twenty one year old has to be accountable.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
How to account he placed the call.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
He placed the call, but it's not illegal. It's not
like he did some crime.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
So what would you think the punishment would be fair
for the coach?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Suspension or fine?
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Okay, so if it was a suspension, what are you
talking two games?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Five games?
Speaker 6 (20:23):
A game or what a game? You know, maybe twenty
thousand dollars something like that.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
So just to make a statements, what you're pretty much saying.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
To like, if you got this equipment, you cannot leave
it lying around.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Now, that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Lock your iPad up, simple.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Maybe the kid found the password for his iPad too.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
I'm just saying you shouldn't be giving out the password
number because whatever information is in there, you might have information.
What I'm saying is this, here's the problem with that.
If you're if you have access that twenty one year
old kid has access to his father's iPad, then he
knows who's hurt, who's playing. So you can even start
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making bets off of this quote unquote insider information. So
you have to be punished to curtail any of that
moving forward. That's gonna open the floodgates to a bunch
of problems potentially.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
All right, well, all right, we got I think we
only got about three more minutes. I'm gonna I'm gonna
I'm gonna address something just because we don't even have
to have a conversation about it. I'll just kind of
speak on it. But if anybody else wants to say
something about it, that's fine. So we were at the
(21:38):
draft at US Banks Stadium and Adrian Peterson was there
and he uh announced that one of the picks had
it took some time to have a conversation and talk
to the public and and all that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
And then later on that night he got arrested for DUI.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Allegedly allegedly Okay, and uh, you know one of those
kinds you know, being a person who don't has doesn't
drink now, but used to drink and drink a lot
and have driven with alcohol. You know, it's one of
those kind of things that you really don't you really
(22:26):
don't think about.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
But one of the things that bothers me, and.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Why I've really wanted to say something about it was
because this was something that was to me. This would
be something that you would be proud to have done,
and it would be something that you could hold on
to forever. And I know that every event there's always
(22:57):
going to be alcohol, there's going to be all of
that kind of stuff, and if you're a drinker, you know,
you may go too far or whatever. But I think
this was one of these kind of situations. This is
one of those moments that you know, as a former player,
that you get an opportunity to do that you just
can't mess up, you know, you just and I know,
(23:19):
trust me, I know how easy it would be to
mess it up. I know how easy it would be
if I was back in the day and I was
drinking I know how easy it would be for me
to have, you know, go have some drinks and then
not thinking about I got to drive my car and
go somewhere.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
I don't know how you guys feel about this, but
in this day and age, there's no excuse to get
behind the wheel of a car when you know, I mean,
and it's alleged. We'll leave that there, you know what
Holli said. But I mean there's just so many options.
I mean, these guys could hire drivers. I mean, there's Uber.
I mean, there's just so many other modes of transportation.
When you know you're going to an event like this,
(23:59):
and if you know you're going to be having some
alcoholic beverages and you know, maybe having a little more
fun than usual. I mean, it's just something that that
I don't know. I mean, there's ways to get from
point A to point B safely, more options than you
had probably when you were young. There was not uber.
There was you know, maybe a taxi was it. But
(24:20):
but you know, and I'm sure, I mean he's he's
made it pretty well, right, I mean in his career,
he's got probably enough money to hire a driver.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah, Well, so why.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Not do something like that for an event like this.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
We we every time I go to Minnesota. So gentleman
by the name of Buddy Becker, who I'll give him
a little bit of a shout out, who picks with
me all the time. But one of the things that
he makes sure that we have is we have somebody
who's driving us. We we typically don't drive anywhere after
(24:53):
a signing or get to the signing or coming back
from a signing or an event or whatever. You you're
you're never you're never gonna be drinking like or you're
never going to be driving, you know, even even there
will be guys who will pull up to his house, park,
get in a limo and go, you know, because it's
(25:16):
just not at this point in time, it's just not
worth that type of that type of a risk, you know.
So how dose I don't think you're gonna say anything.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
I know, like situations like this, it's just like I'm cautious,
not the comment just on brewing legal battles, because I
just don't know the details. And I think it's in
our culture we've gotten a little bit you know, irresponsible,
just making all these broad assumptions when there's an allegation uh,
related to a criminal charge. But I think all the
points of valid and just has the bigger lesson, you know,
(25:49):
don't drink and drive.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Yeah, anyway, which is which is at this point, it's
really simple at this point, It just you just should not.
And you know, and again I can confess that I
have done it way more times than I probably should have.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
But and when you're in a position like he is,
when you have the name and you know that they're
they're they're watching for that, I mean that part.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true too. All Right, we'll
take a break and ladies and gentlemen will be right back.
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Speaker 2 (27:20):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
And I purposely tried who give us the last half
of the show to potentially address Yeah, maybe the biggest
elephant in the room.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
And I don't know how long so Shador Sanders.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Yeah, it's been was considered one of the best players
in college football. And then we get to the draft.
He's expected to go somewhere, probably early in the first round.
(28:10):
He ends up going into the fifth. Yeah, And as
a player, as a former player who has been in
the draft, it's probably well, I won't even say probably.
It is the hugest drop of any player in the
(28:35):
draft that I have been a part on this projection.
You know, yes, based on his skill set, his projections
and all of that.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
And one of my concerns with that.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Is one is who he is, who his dad is.
But on the flip side of this, there were things
there were There were straight up conversation or or statements
that he made that I feel like put him in
(29:13):
a situation as an as for ownerships, you know, for
the people who owned the teams, for the for the
for the team, for the individuals who are drafting him.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Like you're not going to be bigger than the NFL.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
You know.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
I just feel like the NFL felt like because you
can't play in the NFL without some kind of confidence. Sure,
you know, I tell people like for me during or after,
I don't, I don't, don't don't consider. I was like,
don't say to me I'm an okay, I was an
okay NFL player, because okay NFL players do not have
(29:55):
that my resume. I'm not a Hall of Fame player
because I don't have that resume. You don't you don't
get the opportunity to take action on this skill set
player who's supposed to be a first round player. There's
(30:18):
zero chances of him dropping to the fifth, fifth round.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
There's just there's just no way.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Unless somebody a group of people are saying, no, we're
not gonna take him.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Hollis is gonna Hollis. If I don't take him.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
And he's still out there, you're gonna take him, you
skip him. There's no way Lease is not taking him.
He's too good of a player. Somebody had some conversation
and say, we're gonna show them that you're not gonna
be bigger than NFLI.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I I really don't.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
It's the same conversation we had about Dak Prescott, right,
because of what we're saying if the analysis is saying
and again, and I'm not even going hypothetical, I'm not
going theoretical. I'm just going on what I see. We
look at the top five quarterbacks over the last several
years in the NFL, Mahomes, Allen Jackson, Hurts Burrow. They're
(31:18):
all elite athletes, elite athletes playing the quarterback position. They
have the ability to not only scramble and run and
do all the thing and make all the throws, you
can make design runs with each of them. And we've
all seen all five of those quarterbacks win games with
their legs. So the model, the mode the modern quarterback
(31:40):
has changed, and I agree he doesn't necessarily Again, he
doesn't necessarily fit that model. Again again, these are guys
that are six three, six' four four five four four
four three four to two?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Guys, right who can?
Speaker 5 (31:58):
Throw who can?
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Run who can do all the? RIGHT i, don't and
he doesn't.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
Fit he's a he's a throw back, quarterback six' one,
two ten. Not, Fast right So again, I'm Saying, hollis
lewis he was my second quarterback off. The Board if,
i'm drafting he doesn't get out the, second round, excuse
me the. First round he definitely doesn't even make it
to the second ROUND because i think he. Stills pliable he,
(32:23):
can Play but i'm thinking for a. Modern quarterback some teams, just,
say look we're looking for. An, athlete hence While mill
rose Out of alabama was drafted.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Ahead, of sanders how does? That happen all be up
that he's an.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
Elite athlete and you made the statement again going Back To,
dak prescott you wouldn't have gave him the money you
would have gave.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Him up why he's not an. Elite athlete and.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
We don't think in this mode of football where you
got de Defensive Lineman ed rudgers running four threes and four,
to two's that he can get away. From anybody and
my last point On ME.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Qui tv their faces. Are awesome my, last.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Point some guys helped themselves playing in the. Bowl games
other guys hurt themselves playing in the. Bowl Game And
shador sanders probably hurt himself playing in that bowl game
taking all those sacks and showing him he couldn't get
away from that level of defensive linement and. Edge rushers,
(33:25):
So Again hollis lewis ME, Playing gm he's coming off.
The BOARD but i could see why teams were just
like in addition to to all the off, Field stuff
i'm strictly talking on, The, Field okay.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
I'm totally on Board with hollis about the. Physical attributes,
you know all of the you, know this this arm strength, is,
questionable right and just. The, mobility okay so we can
see that definitely with you. On THAT but i think
there were, three REASONS and i think that was one.
OF them i do think that was one of them.
FOR sure i think the pre draft process that he.
Went through, you know he kind, of decided like you Said,
(34:06):
to carl to, A degree i agree with what you're
saying that he did think he was bigger THAN the
nfl because he felt like he didn't have to participate
in the combat, combine activities, the field, you know the
field things that they. All do, You Know kim, Ward
Did travis, Hunter did so why did he feel like
he didn't have to? Do, That okay so that's, number
(34:26):
two and then of course number three is the one we.
All know and that's, of course, you know his. Father's influence,
you know he came out in interviews before the draft
even started saying, things, like well, you know there are
certain TEAMS that i want my son to. Go to
in CERTAIN teams i don't want him to. Go to,
you know that hurt him, WHETHER yeah i don't think
he meant to hurt, his son but inadvertently that hurt
(34:46):
him in, the draft and that calls. THE slot i
think those THREE things i.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
CAN go i can go with. That process There.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
When dion says and this is this Is not, Chador's,
issue no this is This is.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Dion's, Issue right.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Dion is sitting there coming off of maybe being THE
best dB potentially ever in the in THE in, Nfl history.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
And there is this co there is this Confidence that.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Dad, had SURE but, I know i'm not even sure
really in some of the Things that chador.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Was Saying that.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
DION said i don't even Know if deon said some
of the things that, He SAID but I think dion's
making the case about there's teams that he won't.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Play, for dude you can't.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
Pick that but some, people, say Well arch manning did
that with, they might they might, and that and they,
be fair they'd, be fair but.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
You're you're dion and and whatever the reasons are that
it was okay For a manning to, say it but
it wasn't Okay for sanders just saying that's a whole.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Nother, show okay.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
It ain't, really well it's on, the field. It is
it becomes on, The, FIELD okay i think that's what we're. All,
skipping well and and and here's and here's.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
The thing if you say it's on, the field he's
gonna get on.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
The field that's a. Fifth round maybe, you know it's
one hundred quarterbacks in. That Room If, lord brown, look
It most. Brown, thing ever if he's going to be,
the guy well let me just. SAY that i don't
want to say he's gonna be, the guy but if
if he is, the guy he should come out of
(36:40):
that battle, with quarterbacks the, battle quarterbacks and and be
the and be the guy.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
He'll, be okay if he's if he's what they purport him,
to be He'll.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Be he'll rise to the top. Of, That okay i'm
gonna go on. The, Record okay i'm gonna go on.
The record i'm gonna think this is going to be
twenty five thousand times harder for him.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
To do.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Not saying he can't, do it but because this is all,
the talk this is gonna be all.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
The talk all the talk is gonna be.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
On, him now he may, like that and that he
might he might use that, as, motivation, Motivation motivation, but
dude when you're not the, first guy it, second guy
and you're going you're going into camp as as a
as a fifth, round pick seventh, round pick and there's all.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
These guys that the camps last on the you are
last on. The depth taruck just going in and does it?
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Fuel? You absolutely? But it but there's gonna be guys
that have a better resume.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Than, you now the question Will be i'm, gonna say,
Of course i'm, gonna say, you know there may be
there may not be a quarterback that's gonna be on
his that he would have to, beat out that will
have a better resume.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
Than, Him Nah, Joe Flacco. KENNY picking, i mean the
guys who played IN.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
The nfl they've been around.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
A minute but my my.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
Other, theory though was just that MAYBE the nfl just
did this to make us watch, the draft.
Speaker 8 (38:17):
You know because we would you wouldn't even watch the,
because again they, traded out they could have got both of,
these guys and like they could have wrapped this up
in the first and second round guy who they wanted
and got really the, same, Result right so maybe they
was just, that's why, you know they just pushed him back, and,
said well we got to, get SOMEBODY because, i MEAN The,
(38:38):
nfl draft it was more.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Viewers than that Didn't, Exactly lakers. Minnesota game more wanted.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
To see where. He, landed seriously did you? HAVE something
i was Just gonna i'm cracking up at what he's
saying about the. Raggedy draft but the other part of.
IT is I mean i saw people on social media
like that that never even followed football that were, watching
this watch around round to see where where.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
HE landed i think they said that it was it
was there were more, people watching continue watching, second THIRD.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Or i watched.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
Every round i've never. Done that I'VE been i watched
EVERY sing I was espn just. Watching everything and by
the time he, GOT drafted i, was, Like man i'm
just gonna ride.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
It out watched it go to the end and and
here's the and here's the. Other thing.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Has anybody really seen Like like shador has never really
looked like he. Was upset dion really has never looked
like he.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
Was upset maybe it maybe.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
HERE'S what, i think but but HERE'S what.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
I think to the degree IN which I think dion
would have gone for his son to go from one to,
fifth round where the issue is going to show up
is in.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
The money, well, no, no wait, wait, no no they
don't need. No money you know that's NOT but, i
mean we all need. Some money it's not about it's.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
Not about it's not.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
About need it's about being the GUY me nfl IN
the nfl, dollars mad but necessarily, to anything but how
you gonna get more money? Than ME because i came
in before You and i'm playing that's that's that's how.
Speaker 6 (40:29):
To lead he ain't gonna, get no but it's all
Set ain't so let me ask, You, that okay talking about,
conspiracy theories do you, think, possibly Possibly maybe dion Orchestrated
this Just what i'm saying is, this though because like,
you know he's been playing with his dad pretty much
his whole, collegiate career pretty his, whole, life right so
(40:51):
this will be the first time from out under. Dad's
Wing and dad, was, like well we got to do
something to give him a little like to to make.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
HIM face i can. SEE that i could see that
about it. A point that's a.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Good point and and You, know dion and there's so
many fake things. OUT there i fell for a couple
of things that were sytire or just just playing just flat.
Out lies but he did go on the interview Right.
With shador dion Did to cleveland after he Was. Drafted,
cleveland yeah and there were things, out there, you know
floating about in social media saying things like well he
(41:26):
went up there to, tell them, you know his son
wasn't going to play second to. Any, quarterback now that
wasn't how it. Went down he actually went up there
and just said thank you for drafting. My SON so
i mean, to me he's already kind of like accepted
that my son's got to go. Up here he's got
to show them that he deserves to be here and
show him what he's made of and and, you know
find a way. TO start, I mean i think he's
(41:48):
kind of accepted the fact and. HE knows i think
he's seen the error of. His, Ways, yes dion.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Poor. HIS brother i don't know if you. Go, NOWHERE yeah.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
I know he kind of dropped his dad as, an agent.
Didn't he said he, Was terrible like he Said that.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Di is dion is.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
Like he he he doesn't Have any this, is good.
HE doesn't i don't want to use. THIS word i
was gonna, use respect but that's not right because he
because he is. Definitely Respectful, respect yeah he's he's one.
Hundred respectful but what he he buys into everything that he.
Believes though when he when he believes in when he believes,
(42:32):
in something he is locked into it and you can't
bring him out.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Of it, you know you you think he's not gonna
go shut.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
Somebody down when he says he's gonna shut, somebody, down
right he's probably likely gonna shut that dude. Down right in,
THIS situation i feel like he one buys into should
do it like like like like he thinks he's that that's. His,
son yeah, He He but i'm saying he's looking at him.
(43:01):
Beyond son he's looking at him as, football player, as
quarterback and seeing him as like. He is he is
the next. Great thing you talked about, the metrics size
and all those kinds.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Of THINGS what i like about HIM is I like
i LIKE his i like his HIS his.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
I don't i CAN'T say i know his, work ethic
but the work ETHIC that i believe that he has
in him and the confidence in which HE has i
think his confidence to.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Speak it you can't speak like. Your dad.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
You can't, you know you can't say some of these
things that you're saying because you're disrespecting what the. League
is and you probably should just, get in get in
and then let your game speak for itself because.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
We've already. Had dyon you're, not him.
Speaker 6 (44:05):
YE see i think that's kind of, you know maybe a.
Different conversation but that's kind OF what i, thought too
is that maybe, you know to, Your point dion sort
of jumping the gun in some of the things that
he's saying because he's saying it is though. It's him but,
You Know, deon sanders in, my book is the greatest.
Athlete ever he's the greatest athlete ever to, you know
(44:28):
put on. Any uniform but so you can't necessarily have
that same pravado for your son because your son ain't
you you Know what. I'm, saying SO like, i SAID like,
I said i would have picked him in the. First
ROUND but i understand why, teams WOULDN'T like i, get
IT like i, Get IT and i think too many
(44:49):
times when we have, this conversations we'll go, to race
we'll go to, the dad we'll go, to bravado we'll
go to, this well just on, THE field i can
understand why, they wouldn't you Know what. I'm saying so
now he's in a POSITION which, i THINK like, I
said i think again he can rise to. The top
Now whether cleveland is the spots you really want to, be.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
At now that that's.
Speaker 6 (45:10):
Another thing that's, another thing because that seems like a very,
dysfunctional franchise even judging from kind of the moves that
they made. This year hopefully they got a long game
that they are, planning to, you know right this SHIP because,
i MEAN like, i said when you got a core
you literally have with five quarterbacks and a quarterback, make,
sense sanity and you probably have the worst Contract with
(45:33):
watson ever in the history. Of sports so it's like
it's just one thing.
Speaker 5 (45:38):
After another a graveyard, up there don't they like play
somebody's decorated their yard with all the quarterbacks And.
Speaker 6 (45:43):
The browns and even another point to that is like
when You've, got gabriel he was your first round. Draft
pick so to the point when you're talking about, in
practice you got to give him. The reps you Know what,
i'm saying you at least got to. Start, now again
not to say he'll hold, his position but when you're
coming into the mini camp and where you're going into
the official camp start to the twenty twenty, five season
(46:07):
he gotta get those, third team second team reps because he's, the,
Investment right so you're really starting from behind the. Eight
ball you really gotta have you got to really be
locked in because being. A quarterback and if you're not
in the first and, second team if you're in the third, or,
fourteen bro you just ain't. Getting reps and it's hard
to sit back there when you just ain't getting. An
(46:29):
OPPORTUNITY and, i THINK and i think the reality of
the five qbs like and, the yes which.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
Is crazy the order is really going to dictate a
whole lot of things right out of.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
The, shoot yeah, you know and then the first.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
Preseason, game okay so now there's going to be a
couple quarterbacks not. Gonna, play, yeah watchson he already, not
playing so he's going from five. To, four yeah so,
so four you're not gonna play four quarterbacks in the
game in. A, Precision, no no you're gonna probably play
two and maybe unless you're gonna, do quarters which you
(47:18):
ain't got enough time in. The quarters you might get,
what one you might get, one series maybe. One, series
yeah that might be. The max that. Ain't enough so now.
You're talking so now you're talking about. A half so
you got a quarterback four. A half what does he?
Speaker 6 (47:33):
Look LIKE although, I mean i would say in, this
situation depending on how they, do it because you don't
necessarily need To see joe flaccoh, you know we.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
So you really need. To see who you really need
to See Is.
Speaker 6 (47:46):
Kenny pickett that's who you really need to see if
that guy can be my backup well?
Speaker 4 (47:50):
Or not he gotta go the other piece to what,
you're saying you get a quarterback at the. Fifth round
he ain't your GUY like, i mean he's not your
starter like he's he's a he's he's.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Not a projected he's not your.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Projective starter he's the guy that, you know, you know
he might make, the team, you know and.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
He could be, you know, you, know.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
EXPENDABLE expendable i don't think they gonn do that with, Him,
NOW no i don't think that's what's. Gonna happen but if,
you're four where are? You now because you you know
you're at, The bottom sure doors, behind you you already
know that ain't there's a there's a there's something magical.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Sitting.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
There ye so now you're four and you got three
more guys ahead.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Of you who?
Speaker 4 (48:39):
Are you how many times you're gonna have to how
many times You're, gonna yeah that's a.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Huge task you gotta get on the field and you
got to.
Speaker 6 (48:46):
Show it out into limited reps with, limited reps so
whatever you, do get you gotta be ready. To go so, it's,
like again you cannot, be IN which i think he,
this is he'll probably. BE okay i don't think he's
going to live in. HIS head i think and he'll, just,
say hey whenever it's, My turn i'm gonna show out and.
Show UP so i think that's what you have. To
do because the moment you start to, doubt yourself the
(49:07):
moment you start to get in, your head.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
You're, Done see. I'm scared i'm scared of.
Speaker 4 (49:11):
The opposite i'm scared of the conversation of talking about
getting in LIKE like i need to. Be in let's
let's say you go the first preseason game and you don't,
play okay and You know. God's play they play, pretty
good one might not play. Really well is there conversation
because where's the? Media going they're coming?
Speaker 2 (49:30):
To YOU but i don't think.
Speaker 6 (49:32):
YOU can i mean hopefully he'll HAVE A PR pr
rep and you can't do that from, That, spot like
from from that spot this has worked your way, up
spot so you can't.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
Do, that okay, but okay TO, your pr TO your,
pr guy or lady. Or, lady yeah here's the problem, With.
That lisen in, My mind dion is out. There now he.
May be he may because he's been. Pretty quiet in.
MY mind i think he's been pretty quiet at.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
THIS point i just.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
Don't know confidence is a, good thing and it's and,
it's beneficial but you can't you can't throw it out
there against TEAMMATES.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Like i should be in front. Of us that's a
fact that, you KNOW and i think that's a.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
Tough thing but even to, the, sorry no you, go
ahead you.
Speaker 6 (50:23):
Know what, I'm saying even To the, Dion, Point, DEAN
honest i got a, whole program. He coaches he ain't
gonna have time to be around. Like that, Good point,
LIKE like i really don't understand how he would even
be that intimately involved, in this maybe making a, phone,
call watching but you know how it is during the.
Colle season he gotta watch it as a private PLAY private.
I Know but i'm, just saying how how? How involved.
Speaker 5 (50:46):
That's, true yeah that's a. GOOD point i want to
go off the Topic of shador just for. A second
this is just something that popped into, My head SO
that's i was gonna run it by. You guys but,
you know this was the first year of the Collegiate
national playoff when we had, you know sixteen teams rather
than just the. Last, Four right i'm just curious to
Think if colorado would have been a part of the
(51:08):
conversation of making that playoff and maybe making a, you
know maybe winning a game or two in, their run
would it have been Different for, SHADOR rather, i mean
if they would have been able TO prove I just
i'm curious to think how many of these players they've
drafted were a part of the. PLAYOFF scenario, i mean.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
That's actually a. GOOD question i don't know if it
would have made a.
Speaker 6 (51:29):
HUGE difference i think to the point it was Probably
again i'm not playing, you know, conspiracy theory but it
could have been some collusion in addition to his measurables
and different things like that on. The FIELD so i,
DON'T know i don't think it would have played that
much DIFFERENT lesson i mean that a, national.
Speaker 5 (51:47):
Champ well THAT'S what, i, mean like, you know looking, at, him,
like okay did he have the leadership skills to be
able to take his team to the playoffs and, you
know seeing and be able to do the things that
he needed to do to win and help his team.
Be successful he didn't do. Those things ended up in a,
bowl game right that he ended up they, they, lost right.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
He lost.
Speaker 5 (52:07):
So that could have his stock?
Speaker 6 (52:10):
Did?
Speaker 4 (52:10):
Hurt, hi yeah and and and and that's a very
very that's a very very valid point of just seeing
him in in the in the, bowl GAME and i, you,
know yeah but long, after that there was all this
conversation about. How, great NOW what i will say is
(52:31):
the people who were making those conversations they.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Weren't ownership.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
It, wasn't ownership, you know so from your side, of
it hollers like ownership never really.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Said that they never. Spoke out they never, do though, you,
know no they. Never do but.
Speaker 4 (52:51):
The conversation of where he was going, TO go i
think came from the same places that.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
They all.
Speaker 4 (53:01):
And the problem with that is, Is, like okay what?
What happened there had to, Have somewhere there had to
have been, some conversation.
Speaker 5 (53:11):
They said the interviews WERE really, i heard he just
did not.
Speaker 4 (53:15):
Do well and and and now imagine him sitting in
there and you having a conversation, with him because it's
gonna be, all me all that you talk about Is
going i'm gonna respond to you as all me.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
Now, you, you, you, management.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
You.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
Ownership you you probably are not. Liking that That's what.
Speaker 6 (53:38):
I'm saying if and if and, IF again i, don't
know but if the interviews went left in addition to
the tape that, you had in addition, To again i'm
NOT saying.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
I know i don't think it was.
Speaker 5 (53:49):
ONE thing i think that's a.
Speaker 6 (53:51):
Combination in addition, to like, you know some of the
some of the things that far as what you're deeming
is what quarterbacks should be able to do at this
level now modern and then you at the measurables and
then you're looking at everything around and he kind of
maybe fall out of love, with it, like eh because
it's like if you're drafting a quarterback, that high you
gotta love me well and you know and and and
you got to be and you're listening and, watching everything
(54:13):
everything that plays and everything that everybody else is saying
too about you is calculated into and do you think.
Speaker 5 (54:21):
He hollis you watched the first ROUND on TV like?
I did? Did you and he, Wasn't there like he
wasn't even even before anybody even knew that he was
going to take. This fall he wasn't present at the,
First round like did he? ALREADY know, i think do
you have to?
Speaker 2 (54:35):
BE invited i know he had a.
Speaker 5 (54:37):
Room ready, for him like he had his. Room deck
but you.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Can you can say you're not you can just would you?
Speaker 5 (54:44):
Do that if you're thinking you're going to go in the, first.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
Round why would you you may know you may.
Speaker 5 (54:48):
Not, Go exactly. That's that that was the first thing
that crossed. My mind and, in fact we were all
texting in the GROUP and, i said that's why he's.
Not there, HE'D somehow i mean maybe caught wind of
it that well.
Speaker 4 (54:59):
And, seeing THAT and i kind of led off, with
that and, you know And again hollis doesn't and rightfully
so doesn't want to get into the conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
If, He, knew.
Speaker 5 (55:10):
Well, they talked don't they? JUST talk, i mean they kind.
Of nut but here's. The, thing players somebody would, have
told somebody could have told the.
Speaker 4 (55:16):
Coach could have got to them and told, them, like
look this is probably what's going.
Speaker 2 (55:20):
To happen just want to give you all the.
Speaker 4 (55:22):
Heads up but once it, STARTED happening i mean it
IT went, i mean it just it just took.
Speaker 6 (55:30):
Off, because normally like the first ten picks, are there like,
Those guys yeah.
Speaker 5 (55:34):
You saw his. EMPTY boots i, was like wait, a
minute what's up? With that and then when they didn't call,
HIS name I was.
Speaker 4 (55:40):
I wasn't shocked about not them not being there because
on the on the other side, of IT and i
think a lot of players that are going to be
in that early round typically like to be home with
your family. And friends and it's not like you're not
going to have a camera, in there you Know what.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
I'm saying, you know so you rather. CELEBRATED there i.
Speaker 5 (55:59):
Can't imagine dion missing that opportunity to, you know his
sunshine on, the STAGE and.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
I DON'T and i, say this and we got to
close it. Out here BUT if I if.
Speaker 4 (56:12):
I could get Inside of dion's mind AND if i,
was thinking LIKE if i were trying to think, LIKE
him i don't want to be there NECESSARILY because i
don't want to feel like people THINKING that.
Speaker 2 (56:25):
I am i want my son to have, his moment
you Know what.
Speaker 4 (56:29):
I'm saying and because everybody he knows, everybody's saying, You
know dion is basically running his life and all that
point even.
Speaker 6 (56:38):
Shador itself he'll take all the air off. The room, so, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (56:42):
Yeah well ladies, and gentlemen we hope you enjoyed the
show and we'll be back again to see you.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
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you fall?
Speaker 1 (57:16):
Does it dont for get back up for. Your feet
anything can be, a, win yup even. The feet they
say sugar band for You Wise vinetary sweet couldn't play with.
BIG kids i had to sit in the street and
watch from. A distance but OVER time. I GREW if
i put in, the work in, No time i'm.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
Doing EVERYTHING that i worked. And prayed.
Speaker 1 (57:33):
I'm moka if you ask me HOW did i? Do
it i'm, gonna say you, gotta Work, ry shine, just mine.
Gotta show everybody is. My time, yeah here you, gotta Work.
Cry shine lover a mind who talking died this, day line.
Don't talk you. Gotta work you. Gotta work.
Speaker 6 (57:53):
You.
Speaker 2 (57:53):
Gotta work you. Gotta work you, Gotta work you. Gotta
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