Grit, Goals, and Going Pro: Candace Morris & Mayor Amy Goodwin Join Let's Talk

This episode of Let’s Talk with Carl Lee brings together two powerful stories of focus, ambition, and leadership. First, Charleston Mayor Amy Shuler Goodwin shares how USA Cycling is transforming Charleston into a national sports destination—and what it means for the city's economy, culture, and pride. From Olympic qualifiers to para-cycling events, the Mayor offers a behind-the-scenes look at what it takes to host world-class athletes.

Then, All-American sprinter Candace Morris joins the crew to reflect on her journey from the Capital City Striders to breaking records at West Virginia State University. She opens up about training without proper facilities, why she’s transferring, and her dreams of going pro. The team also tackles NIL inequality, transfer culture, and what it truly takes to be elite. A bold and inspiring episode packed with hometown pride, athletic resilience, and the pursuit of greatness.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Cry shin Another mile Saga Dogs.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Welcome to Let's Talk with Carl Lee and frequent guest
hosts Hollis Lewis and Lisa Odie, where sports culture and
community intersect. Join the crew as they dive into engaging
conversations with guests from all walks of the sports life.
Let's Talk as proudly presented by Attorney Frank Walker, Real Talk,
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(00:41):
by the all new historic Choyer Diner in downtown Charleston
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on Let's Talk.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, missus Carl Lee with my co
host Hollis Lewis, Hello, Hello, and Lisa Odie Hello. And
Lisa is going to introduce a individual on the show
today that we are privileged to have her here, and

(01:12):
I'm excited to just kind of hear some of the
things that some of the answers to some of the
questions that we have. I can't wait, So Lisa, Yes,
go ahead and introduce her.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
I guests, please, thank you so much, carl So, I
would like to introduce our honorable guest on the podcast tonight.
She has served as the first female mayor of Charleston,
West Virginia since January twenty nineteen. She has served our
city with distinction during her tenure, and we are beyond
excited to have her with us tonight. Proudly introducing Mayor

(01:45):
Amy Schuler Goodwin.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
Hey, that reminds me of like you ever listen to
the podcast SmartLess with Jason Bateman where they do like guests,
but they don't tell you who it is, but they
give you a little bit of background.

Speaker 6 (01:56):
That's kind I felt like that.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
I was did you like it?

Speaker 6 (01:59):
Who is it going to be?

Speaker 7 (02:03):
I love it so so before because I do know,
I do know that, uh, Hollis and Lisa, I know,
have a ton of questions for you.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
My question, my my off the top question was like
when they brought they brought your name up, and so
I'm like thinking in my mind, like, Okay, that'd be
a great guess, but you know, like I'm not really
sure yet, you know not and I know you, but
I wouldn't like, you know, because some people don't really
they don't want to do this. You know, that didn't cross.

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But then like the moment, like the moment that I
saw you, it was like like, oh, this is an
old friend of mine, you know. I mean, you've come
across like you're It's totally different than I think what
people who may not know you have never been around you.
I think your personality and how you come across to
just people is actually amazing.

Speaker 6 (03:01):
It's sweet.

Speaker 5 (03:02):
It's a wheeling in me. I think it's a little
bit of a wheeling girl in me. Well, I will
say this to you, though, girl. When I was when
I was getting in my I like to say my
big girl jobs. I remember somebody saying to me long ago,
you need to act a little bit more serious. You
need to be a little bit more put together. You
need to you're at a nine, you need to be
at a four. Maybe like tone it down a little bit.

(03:23):
And I will admit in my younger years, in my twenties,
I listened to especially women of influence, and thought, okay,
she's I respect her and I like her, so I
probably should listen to it. And it was the most
uncomfortable time in my life when I took it from
a nine to a four, because that's just not simply
who I am. I tried to be somebody who I
was not because I thought it would fit the professional,

(03:46):
the leadership mold.

Speaker 6 (03:47):
Because there are so few.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
Women in our purview that I latched on to the
women who were in front of me, a very small crowd,
and I messed up for a very long period of time.

Speaker 6 (03:58):
And so now I act.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
Somebody got me a portrait that was done and at
the bottom it says, I don't need to turn it.
It was a phrase that I used to say, I
don't need to turn it down, you need to turn
it up perfect. Yeah, So so I appreciate that. I
really try to be authentic. I'm sure my personality isn't
for everybody, but this is actually who I am and
who I've grown to be.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
What's interesting to me about that, you know, being being
an athlete in Hollists and Lisa you you you both
probably can relate to this too. For the most part,
I think people tend to look at you and judge
you sometimes by the way that you you you look,
your mannerisms, all of those kinds of things. The moment

(04:44):
that I saw you in the moment that you walked
in the door, there was there was this genuine, friendly,
outgoing kind of person that there's no way, I don't
know how anybody could.

Speaker 6 (04:57):
Even you're making me feel good.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
She's starting to blush.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Hard.

Speaker 6 (05:06):
My kids are listening.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
I'm an easy person, and I think Hollis is probably
an easy person that when you look at it sometimes
you can like there's something about him. I don't like.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
You know what I'm saying, Hollis at least are two people.
And this is a compliment when I say this, they're
easy to love.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
I appreciate that. I'm still I'm still working on Holland
I'm still at least.

Speaker 6 (05:30):
They're easy people to love.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
Now, Mayor, you've enduring your administration. You really, you know,
revitalize Charleston. You know, a far as sports is concerned
at high level. So this week we have US cycling
back in Charleston. Why is this an event in particular?
Why is this important to Charleston.

Speaker 5 (05:50):
There are a lot of things that we can talk about.
There are sports. Really why it's important to Charleston. Listen,
It is not lost on me. Uh, the excitement, the
national and internet, national recognition, that we get also, but
let me not deceive you. I also you know, before
I was mayor, I was the Commissioner of Tourism for
the State of West Virginia. Tourism people aren't the fun people.

(06:11):
We're the money people, and so the return on investment
that we receive, it's the reason why you know, I'm
such an advocate as the commissioner of ben Slango is
as well for the Capital Sports Complex. I grew up
in a sports family. I played every single sport available
to women, and I played on the men's golf team
growing up because it is number one. It's not just

(06:31):
for body, it's for brain. But now you know, growing
growing so growing up in a household, that's that's what
we did. I mean, yes, we prioritized academics, but we
went to the schools to play, and we went to
certain schools so we could compete and compete at a
very high level. I raised two boys, and one of
my boys is Delegate. Well knows because he was many

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times there at the hockey tournaments. Every night, weekend and holiday,
we would be out on the road traveling with them.
Sports is important. It's not just important for individuals. It's
important for a community, because it's important to be involved
in something. Why is USA Cycling important? Any mayor in
any city across the country would say, you mean to

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tell me, I'm going to get positive recognition nationally and
internationally for my city, get an unbelievable return on investment
for my hotels. So for our hotels, bars, restaurants, shops.

Speaker 6 (07:28):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
I was at bucking Bet today buying my you know,
Bike City USA T shirt. I went to Black Sheep
to get a rep for lunch because I was running
late to another meeting.

Speaker 6 (07:37):
If you could give.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
That to any mayor in any city, they say yes, please,
thank you, and please shut the door on your way out.

Speaker 6 (07:43):
This is mine now.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
By the way, it's competitive. I want people to know
that as well. It wasn't just a hey, this sounds
like a really great thing for us.

Speaker 6 (07:51):
It's it's a battle.

Speaker 5 (07:52):
This isn't this you know, it's just like the basketball
tournaments or baseball tournaments. This isn't fun in games. This
is what are you going to give me to bring
my tournament to you? And what am I going to
get in return?

Speaker 6 (08:03):
USA?

Speaker 5 (08:04):
You know, we started with table tennis and we got
a great relationship with USA National Sports right, So it
went table tennis, USA Volleyball, and those relationships spun out
into USA Cycling and an amazing team that we have
here in the city of Charleston. When we were afforded
this opportunity, I will be honest, the most I ever
watched out of any USA Cycling was when we started

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to talk about going out for the bid.

Speaker 6 (08:27):
I think I told you this. I was like, I
need to get on the.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
YouTube, do a little er, let's see what they're doing
in their city. But this is what I do know.
I found out what was important to them.

Speaker 6 (08:41):
It's roads.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
What was important to them were making sure that you
had the guy from public Works who would go on
the roads and change every grate from this way to
this way. The storm dreams because tires that goes. It
was the details of making sure that we had not
just the you know, the the great city in our
great vibe, but also that we had uh the operational

(09:04):
support that we could go out after it. And when
they you know, I really didn't know all that it
was all that it took, but.

Speaker 6 (09:11):
It was a it was a battle.

Speaker 5 (09:13):
I mean, it was a battle for other, you know,
cities who really wanted this, so I you know, I
we joke in the you know, senior staff this morning
we were talking about the traffic calls that we were
coming and that they were talking about MAP this morning
and what.

Speaker 6 (09:25):
A great app is for the city.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
Yeah, it's a it's an ebb and flow and everybody
has to bend.

Speaker 6 (09:30):
It is not it is.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
When you bring in an event like this, everybody has
to participate for it to work. And that, by the way,
means the citizens who are not coming to the races,
who are not watching it, who don't give one whip
stitch about it, but it will impact them because you're
going to be tardy to work or you're going to
have to go a different direction.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
So you know, it's a small inconvenience for the payoff
in the long run.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Charlsie Is sure has like worldwide implications, right we had,
you know, as far as we had this event last
year and had Olympic indications.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
Yeah, I mean so, Kristen Faulkner, if anybody watched the Olympics,
we did. And the good thing about this, by the way,
this is a five year contract.

Speaker 6 (10:15):
So this wasn't a hey, we're going to come this
year and then.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
We're gonna you know, run out of the Yes, big
five year commitment for us, by the way, and that's
big for us. I mean, that's committing our resources for
the next five years.

Speaker 6 (10:26):
Can we do it? Can we afford to do it?

Speaker 5 (10:29):
And so what is so with the benefit for us
is not only do we get one Olympic cycle, we
get two Olympic cycles. So our time trials were the
qualifier for the Olympics. So the person who won the
time trials had that ticket to Paris. Now that's big city.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Right, that is that's pretty amazing.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
So we talk about Kristin Faulkner and as you watched
her with the Eiffel Tower in the background flying underneath
and winning the road race a race and by the way,
she was not originally signed up to ride in but
at the last minute said I feel good today and
I'm gonna go at a separate event. Wasn't even an
event that she initially thought that she had the best

(11:10):
chance of winning, but she did. And so you know
that the road to the Olympics runs through Charleston, West Virginia.

Speaker 6 (11:18):
Take it any day.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
And what's really cool about this, too, Mayor, is is
that it's growing, right. So this is the second year
for the event in Charleston. I recently saw during a
presser Matthew Sutton, your your chief of staff. He was
giving some information, you know, to to the press about
added activities this year. So it's it's surrounding the cycling event.

(11:41):
So what are some of the added events that have tacked.
I know probably live on the levee. That's new, right,
you added a new extra show.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
We added an extra show, and we're going to do
it this Friday, So we're really excited about doing that.
But I will say the biggest, the biggest event that
we added this year was the para cycling. So this morning,
if you were out on the streets of Charleston, you
watched athletes who were amputees. You watch athletes that were blind,
who were hearing impaired, who had other exceptionalities. So I

(12:11):
challenge anyone uh to do the work and the climb
that it takes to compete on that level with exceptionalities.

Speaker 6 (12:20):
Come and get you some. It's hard to do.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Now with those athletes with those is this Olympic implications as.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
Well, not for those athletes, but it's you know what
is so great about USA Cycling and competing is it
takes you to the next level and qualifying for other
events and so you know, here here's the other things,
which you know, Carl, Carl, I'm fifty for and while
I you know, I do my best and I feel

(12:48):
like I am paying attention. Last year when I got
up on the podium to give the award medals to
some of the young cyclists, when they, you know, they're
on these bikes and they're in their uniform and they've
got their gear on, they got their helmets, they've got
their glasses.

Speaker 6 (13:03):
You know, next they're ready to go.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
They come on, they get onto the stage and this
young woman, I was floored. Do you think you know
braces glass? He'd put on glasses And I said, how
was it competing?

Speaker 6 (13:16):
She said, well, you know it was okay.

Speaker 5 (13:18):
I just I had school yesterday.

Speaker 6 (13:21):
And I said to her, honey, how old are you?

Speaker 5 (13:24):
She said, I'm fourteen, and so we're going to go
back with our My mom and my aunt came to
and I was just like and I was just like,
you are a young one, you are a this is
an Olympic athlete. So this fourteen year old, by the way, said.
I said to her, as I'm putting the metal, you're
coming back. Oh yeah, I'll be back. I'm going to

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be back because you've got the Olympics. I'm gonna I'm
gonna try to be in the Olympics.

Speaker 6 (13:50):
I was like, what are you saying?

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah, you know what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
Yes, well she does because you see her on that
bike and she knows. And we talked a little bit
about this in the green room too. I think that
things can be learned and think, I mean, you know,
you can just learn it, you can.

Speaker 6 (14:05):
Be taught it.

Speaker 5 (14:06):
It probably has something to do with who you are inside,
right that that person, that thing, she's got it. All
she has to do is get on that bike and
you go, oh, I see it, I see what you
are shining right there. It comes clear when you watch
these athletes compete, they're at a different level. So when
we were we were also talking about medical teams, because

(14:27):
remember we've got a whole big medical team to thank
you to c AMC and all.

Speaker 6 (14:32):
Of their all of their support.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
But we were talking about okay, so when a physician said,
when do we know when we come in the ropes
the gates, When do we know if a cyclist falls,
and the USA looked at us like, you don't.

Speaker 6 (14:48):
Really, oh, but but what if here she falls, We'll
let you know.

Speaker 5 (14:52):
Okay, okay, what if they're really injured, We'll let you
know because they do have concussion protocol They have lots
of protocols. What he said, I'll give you for an example.
We won't give names here of these cyclists, but there
is an elite cyclists, male, young male who they talked
about when you know, you know, who flipped off his bike,
who obviously had broken his thought he had broken his

(15:14):
wrist or hand, took all of the skin sorry everybody listening,
took his skin off, gone from his knee all the
way down to his ankle, completely gone in one and
a half parts of his leg. Got back on the cycle,
continued to ride, went to his car. By the way,
you can't touch your car, your support car, you're not
allowed to touch it.

Speaker 6 (15:34):
There's lots of rules that.

Speaker 5 (15:35):
Go into this. I'm learning every single day. But he
leaned his hand and then said, just make sure it's
not broken. They looked at it and said I think
you're okay.

Speaker 6 (15:45):
I think you're okay.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
And before they could say I think you're okay, he's gone,
and he came in second. This is after tumbling, you know,
head over teacups. As my mom used to say, these
are athletes beyond what we look at. So you think
like this was his moment, this was his time in
this racis wasn't in Charleston, West Virginia. But these cyclists,
as we watched Kristin Faulkner as well crash on national television. Uh,

(16:12):
this is a just as you get hit on the
football field, just as you get taken down on the courts.
This is the way of their life. This is what
they train for, This is what they do. This is
when I tell people who are thinking about coming, you
won't see this unless you're here. This isn't This isn't
like a regular you know, hey, we're cyclist. Oh, these

(16:34):
are top level cyclists that are true.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, and I think that's a I think that's important too,
to throw that athlete on there, because you people want
to separate athletes and put him into this thing compartment. Yes,
if you're doing something that requires movement, that is I
would consider athletic period. You're an athlete. And the thing

(16:57):
is with the terrain of this area, you're yes uphill,
you go downhill, you go on a round curves. I mean,
I was there last year downtown in the speed in
which those guys and women are hitting those curves believable,
unbelievable making until you go in.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
Person, don't know how because I wasn't sold on it.
I'll I'll be honest, mayor. I thought, oh, bike racing,
How excited by? Can that be right? I mean really seriously?
And so then my husband and I decided to go
check it out and we were just we were stunned
in awe when those guys go by. I mean that
that the sound, the motion, just all of it. I mean,

(17:32):
it is really exciting. I mean, I'm telling you, if
you have not attended this event, you really need to
give it a shot.

Speaker 5 (17:38):
So Carl I asked one of the athletes that I said,
can you hear us? Can you hear the bells? Can
you hear the whistles? Can you hear the screams? The
answer is no. I'm completely focused on what I need
to do, on my breath, on my feet, on my
hands position, and I am taking in everybody around me,
beside me, behind me, and in front of me, and
what my pace is. I can't hear you. I appreciate

(18:00):
it's so nice. Thank you for ringing your cow bells.

Speaker 6 (18:02):
I appreciate it, but.

Speaker 5 (18:04):
I'm not listening to you. The thing so that was
that was a shock to me, like, oh, well, I'm
screaming really loud for you.

Speaker 6 (18:10):
That's number one.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
But we had one complaint, one complaint universally from especially
our top tier and especially our top mail writer Brandon,
who said, when they asked him, what did you think
about the course? He said, it is one of the hardest,
specially Bridge Road, just one of the hardest courses I've
ever done. In fact, it was probably it was probably

(18:31):
too hard. It was too hard because you go up
and down Bridge Road like it is your job, because oh,
by the way, it is.

Speaker 6 (18:39):
It is, girl, it is your job.

Speaker 5 (18:41):
And you go up that, you know, nine times, uh,
ten times, eleven times as fast as you possibly can.
The unbelievable these athletes are. And the other thing, if
you try to get an airbnb in town, you can't, like,
don't don't even try. You're locked down out why something.
I also didn't know they sleep with their bikes. And

(19:04):
this is what I mean by saying it that funny visual.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
Oh, here we go.

Speaker 5 (19:08):
But before they get into bed and the moment they
get up, they're on it right, positioning, loosening up, getting
your juices flowing in the morning. And plus these bikes
are tens of thousands of dollars. We're not leaving a
bike in a trailer. We're not leaving the bike in
the back of your car or in the back of
a truck.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
And you didn't go You didn't just go up up
the street and buy that bike the custom Let me
ask this. So if I'm a spectator, I have I
didn't get to go last year. I want to go
this year. Where should I set up? Where is like
the best spot to see as much as I can see? Yeah?
What day?

Speaker 5 (19:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (19:46):
Sure? So Lisa brought this up a little bit as well.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
We're adding things because you only know what you know
now we know city Center at slack Plaza, live music,
more food, more activities for the littles as well. So Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
well ready, I mean you know tomorrow there'll be there'll
be some continuation of the paracycling again. You want to
you want to see somebody who has overcome life's most

(20:10):
significant challenges. Get out there tomorrow at nine o'clock and
watch those time trials up and down the boulevard. Okay,
so in the morning starting at nine, go ahead, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
Sunday and Monday. You're going to especially on Thursday and Friday,
you're gonna want to be at City Center at Slack Plaza.

Speaker 6 (20:26):
You're going to want to be there as.

Speaker 5 (20:28):
The cowbells are going and the music is playing and
they are zig zanging watching the pace car alone.

Speaker 6 (20:34):
Yeah, and say too.

Speaker 5 (20:37):
I'm not one of those girls like, oh no, thank you,
I'm in like, let's go. I did it once, I
will never do it again. I will eat your shoes
and your hat before I do it again.

Speaker 6 (20:48):
And I'm not assisting.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Now, what time on Thursday and Friday should people start
thank you? Being well?

Speaker 6 (20:53):
You know, I hate to I hate to say this early.

Speaker 5 (20:57):
I mean the music is going to start playing at four,
you know, three point thirty four. If you want to
have a late you know, or early dinner or super
late lunch. The bridge Road is going to be insane
on Sunday and all.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
That's where we were last day.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
It was it was it was unbelievable. We set up
in front of Lolas and it was perfect, sane.

Speaker 6 (21:16):
But you know what's so cool too.

Speaker 5 (21:17):
I mean I have to give a shout out to
our businesses and I don't know if that's okay on
the absolutely, But what is so interesting we These weren't
things that we also asked of our businesses.

Speaker 6 (21:29):
They just did it on their own.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
Scott Petted at Pettit Jewelry did a custom one of
a kind USA Cycling Charleston charm at the jewelry shop.
You know Ellen's ice Cream made a Criterium crunch ice cream.
You know Button Buck and Betty I bought mine today.
You know the Bike City us A T shirts, so

(21:52):
small businesses of the Roadie road Beer that that wife
and others are Black Sheep are selling.

Speaker 6 (21:58):
They're in it.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
Because this is what is so unbelievably cool about our community.
Nobody knew last year what we were doing, but they
were in And that's what I love about us. We're
doing something special for our community. We want to show off.
It's kind of like when guests come over, don't take
the good plates, wait till everybody eats.

Speaker 6 (22:16):
Don't take a good plate. Don't take a good plate.
Wait till everybody have.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
You know, we kind of put on fresh flowers on
the table and we put on our best. That's what
everybody did and what all of our small businesses did,
which made it so much easier for us. When we
were pitching, we had a group of cyclists, you know,
teddy Arnbreckt and Todd Goldman and Jack Hoblitzel who we
brought to the meeting. Who and Tim Brady, our CEO

(22:42):
of the Convention of Visitors Bureau, who really is a
wonderful captain for us in this venture. He brought the
guys who ride the roads, Todd Dorcas, Hey, talk to
him about talk to him about it. My response was,
we'll do anything that you need us to do to
make this happen. That was my response, like what do
we get? What do you what do you need us
to make this happen? Because when I watched Nashville and

(23:04):
I'm watching these other cities, I thought.

Speaker 6 (23:05):
We can do that, right, it can be big boys
and girls, We can do it.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
I know we're running short on time, and I just
want to ask. This's like you talked about. We brought
us a volleyball us a table to the Junior Olympic boxing.
You had that here, we have a tvt we have
a strong Man cut, now we have US cycling. So
what is Mayor good When's dream event in the basketball
tournament too? I forgot to mention that, what's Mayor Goodwin's
dream event for Charleston, West Virginia. What if you could

(23:32):
just have the magic wand and say hey, we're going
to do this, We're going to bring this here. What's
what's that event for you?

Speaker 6 (23:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (23:38):
So it's actually not an event, It is a movement, Okay.
So what I want to see is I want to
see little girls and little boys get to compete and
play on surfaces and in facilities that other kids and
other states get to participated because you know what is
not okay, It is not okay. And what I love, love, love,

(24:00):
love love. You know, we turfed eleven fields in the
past six years. Why is that important? Because when you
go and you watch the little Powderpuff girls and you
watch them play, they now get to compete on a
surface and a playing field that other girls in other
states are playing on every single second of every single day.
And now they can compete at that level. That's what

(24:21):
I want, And so it's not just about the sports complex,
it's not just about inspiring young athletes. I was so
fortunate in my life to be able to see so
many wonderful and powerful athletes in my career watching them play.
But I want us to have facilities and opportunities for
our kids to be able to think I can do that,
to see it, to be it, but actually mean it,

(24:42):
not just say it that's a bumper sticker. You know,
you got to see it to be it. I want
you to be able to play on that surface. I
want you to be able to have seventy two volleyball
teams game on I want that for our girls so
they don't have to travel to Columbus or Pittsburgh or
Cincinnati to play with those Have those girls come in
play with you here. So well, it's not one event,

(25:03):
I mean, you know that's what I want. It is
much bigger than one single event.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
That's awesome, And that's what we would just talk about.
Far as facilities you're looking at, So you know I've
paid since then track and field at the high school
level around the nation, and you're looking at some of
these athletes and some of these times that they're running,
and it's really it's related to having those facilities so
they can you know, get the best out of those
youth athletes.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
That's right, for sure, that's right. It's important. It is
important to give them the equipment. And you know, it's
Carl and I were talking about as we were coming
down from the green room. I still believe that, yeah,
there might be, it might be something right in your core,
in your gut of who you are and your makeup.
But I think giving opportunity and having people like this

(25:47):
guy and this guy and this grow in front of
them doing things and mentoring them has it's it's important.
It's it might be just as important. Just as in Orton.

Speaker 6 (26:00):
You know, I went home. I had to go.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
I had to go home and be with my mom
over the past couple of days and my dad, who
played golf his entire adult adult career and professionally for
a little bit, I went to go hit golf balls
with him, just to blow.

Speaker 6 (26:17):
Up some steam.

Speaker 5 (26:18):
And if I could have my dad standing behind me
and mentoring me every single time I went out to
play golf, I would be I'd be scratch golfer today,
because it does matter who's in your ear. It does
matter who's standing behind you. Because I said to him, Dad,
I can't, I can't, I can't get this new because
it just for my birthday.

Speaker 6 (26:38):
He got me new clops. I'm the baby of the family.
Can you tell me for my dad?

Speaker 4 (26:43):
For my shirt day? I'm fifty four.

Speaker 6 (26:45):
My dad's still buying me day.

Speaker 5 (26:48):
But it does matter to have the right person who
cares about you, who cares about your development. And oh,
by the way, who's not easy on your right?

Speaker 6 (26:57):
Why are you standing?

Speaker 5 (26:58):
Stop going on your haels? Why are you on your hails?
Stop getting on your hails? You did it again? Do
it again?

Speaker 6 (27:03):
I mean again.

Speaker 5 (27:04):
I'm like, okay, guy, the guy behind us is going
to be like, why is that old guy being mean
to that girl over there? But it does matter. It
matters who's around you and who you surround yourself with.
But I'm telling this crew, this crew knows better than
I even do. But but having you know, having USA
Cycling has been monumental for the city of Charleston. That

(27:24):
we get it not only this year, but another three
years after that and get to watch America's Olympic athletes.
And that's what's And drive our economy and be here
and love what we do. And oh, by the way,
many of them were here last week and the week
before be trained and Sam, they were training, and they
were there because that's also what's important and for us

(27:47):
to be a bike city and to be known as
that and something positive. You do this every day in
your work, delegate, that you try to push positive for
the state of West Virginia. We you know, our chips
on our shoulder or this high, this high, this high right,
we have about who we are and what we've come from.

Speaker 6 (28:02):
And I think to have.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
This, to be able to stick our chest out a
little farther and put ours to say our peacock feathers out,
makes me very very proud that we get the opportunity
to do that.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yes, absolutely, mayor we appreciate you, appreciate it. We may
you come back.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
I hope Mother Nature's kind to the event this week,
but let's keep our fingers crossed.

Speaker 5 (28:28):
Well, I will say to you, if you watch the
Criterion last year, it doesn't matter to them.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
It's probably better training for them, to be honest, right.

Speaker 6 (28:37):
It doesn't matter to them.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
They will ride as hard and as fast if it
is pouring down sideways because by the way it was,
it was it.

Speaker 6 (28:46):
Was some of the worst conditions. But it's training.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
It's where I do.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
That's what they do.

Speaker 6 (28:50):
That's what they do.

Speaker 5 (28:51):
Thank you, sir, Thank you so much.

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Now back to the conversation. What's going on?

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Guys?

Speaker 3 (30:30):
This Hollis, Who's welcome back? We have another special guests.
We have West Virginia State University, All American, All Marriage
and All Conference track and field athlete Candice Morris. How
you doing, I'm good, Hollis. Let me let me ask you.
Let me ask you a question. Because because I'm gonna

(30:52):
I'm gonna test your I'm gonna test you here a
little bit when it comes to when it comes to
All American. Yeah, define that because for the for for
folks who just like have heard that, like when you
when you're an All American, they've just heard it and
they don't necessarily know exactly what it means. Can you
can you can you give? It means out of all

(31:15):
the thousands of athletes that play or participate in the
particular sports, all the hundreds of schools that have that sports,
that you are one of the best, if not the
best athlete in that particular category or sport. So it's
really a finite small small athletes within collegiate sports. And

(31:35):
you have you have performed, if you've earned the spot
of being in the top category, and that is something
that nobody can ever take away right away from. Okay,
so we go. I just wanted to make sure we
got a definition of it. Really, go ahead, Lisa, that
is so awesome.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
I'm so impressed. What is your event actually your specific
event that you are good? You know, we're good at
a run.

Speaker 10 (31:59):
The six d, the one hundred, the two hundred, the
four hundred four one.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
And the four four Okay, Now the sixty meter, that's
that's the indoor speaking to the speaking to the Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
So the sixty out of indoors listening, I can't breath.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
So far as the All American distinction, that was All
American for the indoor track season, Am I correct? Yes,
that's a sixty yeah. So, and just for those who
don't know, you have an indoor and outdoor season as
far as track can feel is concerned. Okay, and you
just wrapped up your sophomore season, and I think we
did pretty well at the conference meeting in my correct,

(32:33):
So what happened there?

Speaker 10 (32:36):
I broke the record in the two hundred, and we
broke the record in the four x one in the four.

Speaker 6 (32:41):
X four, my goodness.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
And I think the All Regional team just came out.
You made All Regional team. So I was I was
a I was a I was a track guy and
ran track, but I was never an elite runner. You know.
It didn't like I wasn't going to ever win one
hundred or two hundred. Give me a little bit of

(33:03):
background on like what did you do? Was there anything
specifically that you do or did that helped you get
to this place and or are you just is this
just a talent that you have discovered?

Speaker 10 (33:21):
Well, I started running track when I was seven. I
ran with the Capital City Striter and then after that
I started running in middle school and then carried on
too high school. And then they had started a track
program at State, and I didn't want to go too
far from home yet, so I committed there. And then
my freshman year didn't go the way I wanted it

(33:42):
to go. So then I trained all summer so my
sophomore year could go the way I wanted it to be.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Go ahead, Hollis now as far as that. So you
spent the first two years at West Virginia State University. Again,
you've had a monumental success, particularly in the emphasy of
a newly resurrected track program. But you are hitting the
transfer portal, as it were, and a lot of the
kids are doing uh these days what again? And you

(34:11):
can go as far as you want into it. What
drove that decision to uh to take your talents elsewhere?

Speaker 10 (34:17):
Well, I kind of wanted to leave anyways because it
doesn't really have like we don't have a track, so
and I didn't see it as getting a track anytime soon.
By the time we got a track, I'd probably be
out of college. So it's like it's not really worth it.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
That's pretty important.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Facilities, Yeah, facilities, and again so it came down to facilities.

Speaker 10 (34:38):
Yeah, facilities, and then like money, they had cut our
scholarship money, which I mean that wouldn't have affected me
because I'm an estate student. It was like everybody I
ran track with from my freshman year with leaving and
I would have been with a whole new team.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
So it's like, okay, so was that part of like
the four by four by one or four x two
that with that have impacted those teams?

Speaker 10 (35:01):
Yeah, both teams are gone.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Wow. And as far as that, like you know, in
track and field, because I think we pretty much like
West Virginia State University, that is, we dominated far as
you know, our conference meet as far as the athletes
that we had, but because we don't have a large number,
it was hard for to get a team championship because
we don't have like the distance runners and different things
of that nature. Because if you look at it, you know,

(35:25):
some of the field the shot put, the discus, the
sprinting events, the sort of those middle eight hundred, four
hundred races, we did really really well on both sides
of men and women.

Speaker 10 (35:35):
Yeah, well, that's what it came down to, because it's
like we're supposed to have sixty people on the team,
and they cut the scholarship money, so we weren't able
to have as many people as we thought we would,
so that we couldn't win a conference championship because of that.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
And how has that affected your like your ability to train, Like,
since you don't have a track, where, how did you
compensate as far as being able to get in shape
and keep in shape for all of these different events
that you had coming up.

Speaker 10 (36:03):
Well, we'd go back and forth between lately in St. Albans,
Saint Albans is a terrible track, like honesty, we say that,
and then lately lately it is good, but there's better tracks.
But we just had to go there really early in
the morning because you see, would be practicing there in

(36:24):
the afternoon. And at other schools they have tracks on
campus so they don't have to practice in thirty degree
weather between ages twenty five, Like, I didn't.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Like that, so what so again again you again, you're
all American all Regional, all conference. You you've done and
when you you've broken numerous conference and state records West
Virginia State University, that is records, school records. So where
were you thinking about? Where's the next landing spot? Put

(36:57):
it on the spot.

Speaker 10 (37:00):
I mean, I just I'm having to make a decision
on if I want to go D one or D
two or not.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
That's really what it comes Well, let me ask this
question since he's already kind of opened it up. Since
you said D one or D two, I have to
assume that there's some D ones out there that are interested. Yes, okay,
what what are you particularly looking for? Not necessarily saying
the school, but what what would be your What would
be the perfect scenario for you to walk into a

(37:29):
D one D two school that has everything that you
think you want? What are those things that you think
you want and need?

Speaker 10 (37:36):
Well, I know I want to go to another HBCU.
I know that. Okay, that's what I've really been looking into.
So that's probably where I'll go. I have an idea
where I'm going to go. It just comes down to
like scholarship money.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Right, Okay, sorry, So as far as facilities are concerned,
is that's something that you're definitely like looking at and analyzing.

Speaker 10 (37:55):
Yeah, the schools that told me they don't have no track.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
They're out and that's and that's and you know, and
that's you know, that's a that's kind of a really
a bad thing that you would have to have that
you know, that be on in your mind as and
justifiably a reason why you would leave West Virginia State University.
I think I think that's a bad I mean, that's

(38:21):
a bad sign, you know, I just you know, I
think but but you but obviously to where you want
to go, what you want to be, You're you're in
a situation that you are forced to go. Yeah, you know,
so I don't think there's nothing that anybody could remotely
judge you on other than making a very very smart

(38:43):
decision and finding a place to where you can be
even better.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
Yeah, you've obviously already let your coaching people know that
you know, you're you're leaving. At what was their reaction?
I'm sure it was probably a little bit of a
mixture of sadness And tell me about that process. So
was it if.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
You can only see the face, I.

Speaker 10 (39:04):
Think a lot of people are trying to convince me
yes I can their good but right right.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Yeah, see, and and and I talk about transfer and
all that, and I think like, there are a lot
of transfers that are and I'll say for the benefit
of the athlete, but it may not help them. Okay, Yeah,
that makes you know what I'm saying. They just want
to leave and it may benefit them, but it's not

(39:31):
necessarily going to be beneficial for them in this particular situation.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
This is a whole difference.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yeah, this is a totally different situation to where anybody
who hears the whole story and understands. And if I'm
at the school, if I'm the coach, I'm like, hey,
I'm sorry, and I wish you the best of luck.
Let me know if I can do anything for you. Yeah,
I might be like it, but I also might be like, look,

(40:00):
talk about just being a legend, trying to sell you
something else. And I do I see that. I can
see the coaches, you know, because you may not understand
and and maybe you do when you're this athlete, yeah,
and you that means you're that athlete for that team. Okay.

(40:20):
And and if I'm a coach and that athlete is
legitimately being short changed and I can't help you. Yeah,
you're right, you know what I'm saying. Like, I just
think that it would be extremely difficult for me to
know that I have to let you go. So so
let me ask you this, and I'm gonna get in

(40:41):
your pocket a little bit. So for for tracking, we
hear about the nil money for like track athlete excuse me,
basketball athletes, football athletes, and different things of that nature.
As far as it's track and field, not you personally
per se, it is n I L kind of a
factor in like track and field has it stands today? Wait,

(41:02):
what do you mean like n I L. Like you know,
at a D one level, are they are those athletes
being compensated? Like similar to what like the football and
basketball players are being compensated.

Speaker 10 (41:13):
I could say, yes, but not as much, not as much.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Okay, yeah, let me ask you to something to her
point of saying, maybe not at the level as basketball
or football. That's why I think it has to be.
It has to be across the board. Everybody at whatever

(41:36):
level you transfer this is this is the top money
that you could get, and the only person who gets
that is the top athletes. And then you go, then
it goes down because again, you can have a top
athlete who's gonna go to maybe a go to a
D one school, D two school and change the dynamics there.
You know, I'm already I'm already making the case that

(41:57):
you're gonna change the dynamics. You already did it. Yeah,
you've already done it at State. So you're going to
change those dynamics. And the NIL money, if it's small,
that's unfair because I don't think see I don't think
I think NIL should actually come whether it's the donor

(42:17):
should bring that into the school and the school should
break that out based on athletes in every single sport.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
You want to go ahead, Well, I was just going
to say I think that you're you're you're right. I mean, morally,
that's the way that it should work. But I think
what happens is the school was looking at the sports
that bring in bringing the revenue, and that's who the athletes.
Those are the athletes that are going to be compensated
more because they bring in more revenue for the school.
I'm not saying that's right or wrong. I'm just saying
that's that's probably the bottom line. Like everything else in

(42:49):
this this you know world is it's all about the money.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Yeah, and I think the NCAA unfortunately they forfeited that
sort of scenario, which probably would have been a little
bit good excuse me, a little bit better than what's
currently going on, because the money's coming from third parties, right,
So if I'm the third party, I can earmark said
funds and I can say, hey, I want just to
go to X y Z. So unfortunately, I think the
problem is the way the money is coming in. That's

(43:15):
the problem market. It's ear market or like I said,
it's just not coming in from like then the nc DOUBA,
where they would probably have to be a little bit
more equival the distribution of it. So but Candice, so,
what what is the so you know, like again you
you've reached a lot of success early, So what is
the like the ultimate goal as far as a track

(43:36):
and field career, to go pro, to go pro? Okay,
and we sing like even at the because I think
there was a there was a pro race recently, a
pro meet recently. So they're so track and field is
actually starting to you know, just coming, it's starting to
come out of the Olympics. And we're starting to see
it more on those off years, and and the compensations

(43:57):
going up in a notoriety's going up as well.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Wanted to evolve. So did you actually enter candas that
the portal or was this something that you did on
your own as far as researching the schools that you
wanted to possibly transfer to.

Speaker 10 (44:10):
I did it on my own.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
Okay, yeah, okay, any What's what's the goal?

Speaker 3 (44:18):
What's the goal when when you when you leave? What's
your goal? Where are you? What? What do you see happening?
What do you think is going to ultimately be your
best race? What's the goal? If if it is the
actually the Olympics, what is that race that you would
be interested in running or would you want to run

(44:38):
them all?

Speaker 10 (44:40):
I think I want to move up to the two
and the four.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Yeah that cord ain't no joke. Hard Well, you know,
it's funny because like I had when I was running track,
and like I said, I wasn't. I was not anywhere
remotely as talented as you, and my coaches kept telling me,
you need to run the four because you're not gonna
You're not gonna You're never gonna run win the hundred

(45:06):
You're never gonna win the two hundred, but you might
have a chance at the four. All I could think
of in the four was how I'm gonna feel coming
out of that car, you know the oxygen? Yeah, Like, man,
that's gonna that's gonna that's gonna kill me. Do you
think you how do you feel about the quarter?

Speaker 4 (45:27):
Like?

Speaker 9 (45:27):
What?

Speaker 3 (45:28):
How was that in your mind? Like when you when
you're thinking about running something like that? Like what is like?
What do you?

Speaker 8 (45:33):
Like?

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Are you? Because my thing is I can't get past
how how bad I'm gonna feel when I when I
get done. I'm standing, I'm standing at the at the
takeoff and I'm like already like, man, when I get
on the other side, and I'm gonna be dead. There's
your block. Yeah that's my block. What what is it?
What is it mentally to you when you're running races
like that?

Speaker 10 (45:52):
Well, the four hundred is not that bad. You just
gotta be in shame for it.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Okay, you're probably wrong. I probably just never got that.

Speaker 10 (46:04):
And it's just really technical, really really really technical, and
if you don't got it down, you just don't got it.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
See, And I don't think people people don't know that
to your point about it four hundred you're one hundred
percent right, and and I and I'm thinking, like, you know,
I don't know if we really work on you know,
I'm not I'm not shooting at coaches, but I don't
know if we are putting in the technicality of the

(46:33):
hundred yard dash, you know, because and again we're talking
about somebody who who is you might as well say
it is professionally ranked at it saying that, and yet
you got kids running the hundred, just getting in the
blocks and just going and just trying to run. And
I think that's the challenge is different. That's why saying

(46:57):
that earlier to Lisa, Like when you look at around
the name and you see in some of these times
with these athletes, and I'm talking about high school athletes
and you know, Texas and Florida and California, it is
amazing the times that we're seeing in the one to
two and the four in the relay races. So no,
go ahead, go ahead, no you god. I was just
gonna say, like, what is what is your what is

(47:19):
your goal for the hundred? Like what is what do
you think where do you think you could be in
the hundred yard dash, time wise, the right training, if
everything was right the way you wanted you you had
all the good training, you had a trainer even and
you're on the line ready to run where where where

(47:41):
do you think what would be a goal that you
would like to hit by the.

Speaker 10 (47:45):
End of junior year? Probably eleven two.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
So what I'm saying, hey, I appreciate that, you know.
That's why I asked because I wanted to hear if
there is an actual goal. And I'm sure that you
have a goal for each single one of the races
that you do. And I think, you know, when we
talked about like what is it that motivates people, I

(48:11):
think it is that dream. I think it is that
time that's that you put out there, that's the thing
that really makes you go. You know, So HOLLI, Yeah,
I was just going to say, like again, we thank
you for coming on and like, you know, again you
you've really done. You know, I'm an alumni, I'm a
support of West Virginia State University. You love the university,
and we're really proud of everything that you accomplished. And

(48:34):
you know, like I said, moving forward, you always be
a yellowjacket in our heart. But for real. We wish
you like nothing but the best of luck, and I
know you're going to do amazing and I can't wait
to watch you on another side. And hey, and make
sure Hollis has your has your phone numbers so that
we can we can reach out sometime once you get going.
We'll be back in touch with and have you back
on the show, even if we got to do it

(48:55):
by phone. Yes, absolutely, all right, Thank good luck to me.
When I when I think about when I listen to
her and I'm looking at her and her you know,
her mannerisms and all that, like she seems so like gentle,
but on the other side of it, it's like she's
so matter of fact about what it is that she

(49:16):
she wants. Now, you know, she may be she said
she named some schools, but she also made a statement
like it was going to be this, Like she feels
like it's going to be this particular school, which again
shows me like some certainty in her. And she's already
got her life in a way that she she can

(49:36):
see her life in a way she has a plan
for it exactly. And I think I think success falls
into that category of when you're so certain about where
and you know where you want to go, why you're
going there, what you want from it. I think, man,
I think that is like, I don't know if it
can get any better.

Speaker 4 (49:56):
Than that, especially a young She's I'm so young, but
very mature for her age, you can tell that and
goal oriented. And that's what people that are successful in
life kind of set those goals early in life and
they don't waste a lot of time on figuring out
what they want. I'm not saying that all people do
that that are successful. You know, some people have to

(50:17):
take their time and kind of take the long way
home to figure out what they want to do with
their life. But it seems like the ones that at
a younger age figure out, this is what I want
and this is what I have to do to get it,
those are the people that make it.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Yeah. And there's nothing that anybody could say to her
to make her like think in her mind, you can't
achieve it. Yeah, one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
Man.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Like I said, I think she's going places and I
can't wait to watch them. So what I wanted to
talk about a little bit while we have a little
bit of time is obviously the Baseball Hall of Fame.
So the Baseball Hall of Fame has opened their doors
potentially potentially back up to Pete Rose and shoeless Joe John,
which I don't understand that one, but just specifically talking

(51:02):
about Pete Rose and I just wanted to get you
guys thoughts on you know, is it too little, too late?
Is it sort of a slap in the face after
he's passed away? And will this lead to potentially Barry
Bonds getting in as well? What do you guys think?
I think let me let me answer the second question first.
That's an easy one. I think yes, it will. It
will ultimately impact it. I think it may impact I

(51:23):
think there was seventeen banded players. Ever, I think there's
going to be. I think it'll it'll change a lot
of those players. Okay, that's so I'm thinking that's opening
the door. Yeah, Okay. On that flip side of that, like,

(51:45):
I don't know, can you can you take this stigma
off me even if you put me in the home.
That's a good question. That's actually a really good question.
That's a good what do you think?

Speaker 4 (51:55):
I mean? I mean, I don't know. I think that
when all of this went down back in what was
it nineteen eighty nine, I believe, and he was the
manager of the Reds when he was actually caught betting
on Major League Baseball. Not I don't think it was
actually on his own team, but he was, you know,
betting on At that time, betting was not looked at

(52:16):
today like it is. I mean people, it's kind of
arm in arm with sports. Yes, I mean he advertised games, yes,
So you know, I think if something this infraction would
have happened in today's day in time, I don't think
it would have been a lifetime ban. Also, there were
there was some information I looked up some things that

(52:36):
in twenty fifteen, he approached the commissioner I think his
name is Manfred that was the one that reversed the decision,
and he actually he applied to be reinstated, and they
interviewed him. They did some you know talking with him,
and they point blank asked him in twenty fifteen. He
lived in Las Vegas at that time, Pete Rose did,

(52:59):
and they asked him, point are you still betting on sports?
And his first reaction, his first answer was no, I
don't do that anymore. And then later he came back
and retracted that statement and said, yes, but I do
it legally on other sports, you know, not baseball, but
on other you know, different areas in sports. And so
when that when he came back and kind of retracted

(53:21):
that statement, saying he's still betting. That's when Manford come
back and said, you know, you're still a threat to
the game and we cannot reinstate you back to be
able to be inducted into the Hall of Fame. So
I don't know now now whether or not that made
a difference that he first said he keep quit gambling
and then later changed his mind. You know, maybe that

(53:41):
impacted their ideas about whether or not he should be
able to be inducted. But it probably didn't help that
he at first didn't tell the truth.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
My thing is, even at the onset of it, I
don't care you didn't bet, as you didn't. At least
you didn't get caught betting as a player. We're talking
about the Hall of Fame as a player, not a manager,
right And Pete Rose, to me, embodies what a professional
athlete should be like. They go hard, they're passionate about
the game. I mean, he got the name Charlie Hustle

(54:11):
just because of the vigor in which he played the game.
So to me, he should have never been banned again.
The band could have been like, well, you can't work
in professional baseball anymore because you violated rules, and that's fair, fine,
that's right, right, yeah, And for what you did on
the field, you're the hit king. You played your rear
end off. You should be in the Hall of Fame.

(54:32):
Same thing with Barry Bonds. And my problem with the
whole Bonds conversation is this, he played during the steroid era.
He's the best of the steroid era, right, so there's
allegations that he possibly did he never never confirmed. But
here's what we don't know. During the steroid era. We

(54:53):
can tell you who definitively got caught, we can tell
you who we had suspicions of, but we really can't
you who didn't use it, right, because there may have
been a player or to who we all hold up high,
who we say, who didn't you. They could have used
it to get over an injury, to get out of
a slump. There's a variety of ways which maybe you
use it for a short time to get over the

(55:15):
hump and then you just never touched it again. So Durman,
the steroid errors. I'm not saying that we assume everybody
did it, but we don't really know who didn't do it,
you know what I'm saying. So to me, when we
talk about Bonds, when we talk about you know, Pete Rose,
there's no doubt they should be in the Hall of
Fame because they were the best players of their time,
were some of the best players. You you if you're

(55:38):
not going to put them in the hall, okay, you
they are your They are your history. You know, they
are your history. They are if you if you go
back in time and you start to think about who's
shape who's shaping the game, those two names are huge.

(56:04):
And the fact that you can you can actually act
act like they did not exist and or that people
do not love them, Yeah, that's that part. That's that
that part that part too, because if you're thinking that people,
there's some people who might be like, yeah, they don't need,
they don't deserve to get back in, you know, or what.

(56:26):
But I'm gonna make the case there's a ton of
fans of those two players would care what they don't
care what they've done. They saw what they actually did
on the field.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
And this is This is my question, and you guys
may know the answer, because I surely don't. What what
what kind of got this conversation started about, you know,
the permanent bands on these players and allowing them to
expire after you know, they passed away. What what brought
that up? Because Pete Rose passed away like a year
and a half ago. Correct, it's been well maybe two

(56:59):
years a two years ago, and so I just wondered
what precipitated this whole conversation.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
That's actually a good question, which I don't know the answer.
I don't know the answer, but I would also say,
you know, when it comes to you know, particularly the
base I would say any not any hall of fame,
but particularly baseball and football. But we're just talking about baseball.
And I know this is a point that you always
make about who are the people voting on you, Like
we gotta have a better process, Like I need to

(57:28):
know come out front and I need to know your vote.
I need to know your qualifications and more than anything,
I need to know like are you paying attention to
the sport? Are you still engaged in this thing to
give an accurate assessment? Because to your point, Lisa and Coazley.
People love Barry Bonds, people really love p row He
is he loved. Yeah, he's not like a liked figure.

(57:51):
He is a beloved figure. People really want to see him,
and all people have quit watching baseball because he's not
in the Hall of Fame. You come to West Virginia,
talk about you talk about Pete Rose. Yeah right, you
you you got you know, And so.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
Go ahead say, I was in Cincinnati this last week
and at a Reds game, and the monument outside of
the stadium is still people. I guess the fans when
they come from different places, they lay the fresh roses
on his monument. I mean, so you can go any game,
like any time, and you'll see the fresh roses all
around his monument.

Speaker 8 (58:27):
See.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
And I hate the idea of giving somebody, you know,
like Baseball league, football League, basketball league, recognizing a player
you know that they that has had some issue and
you recognize you you punish him his entire off after
his career, you punish him, or during his career, you

(58:49):
punish him, and then you're going to try to celebrate
him when he passes. Yeah, I mean that's it that
you know he he is what he is or she
is what she is to your program now, and whatever
the other things that happened to them, whether they end
up becoming a drug addict, they end up doing this,
they end up doing that's that's over there. They still

(59:12):
make the mark on the leak and the fact that
you want to try to change that you can't. Yeah,
And the fact of the matter is, like, look, that
happened when he was a manager. He ain't got nothing
to do with that. No, no, exactly exactly. I hope
he gets in. Congratulations, Pete Rose, I'm calling him. All right,

(59:32):
ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna get out of here, and
we appreciate your listening and we'll be back again soon.

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