June 26, 2025 • 52 mins
On this episode of Let's Talk, Carl Lee and Lisa Otey tackle the intense heatwave sweeping the country and its effects on athletes—from MLB stars to youth players. They reflect on old-school football mentalities around heat, safety, and toughness, and recall Carl’s unforgettable training camp clash with Walter Payton. The duo also relives Carl’s recent weekend with NFL legends like Dante Culpepper and Jim McMahon. A wide-ranging conversation blending humor, humility, and history.
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Speaker 3 (00:51):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen. This is Carl Lee and I'm
here with Let's Talk. And Lisa Odie is my only
guest in the building today.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Good.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
This is a scary thing.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Hollis Lewis is out today and we're we're Lisa. It
has been so it has been like so hot here recently,
Like you know, when you start talking about this kind
of heat and you start talking about like sports, right,
I mean, this is really really really considered what I
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would call danger exactly.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
Yeah, that's the pervading question. At least in our region,
is hot enough for you have you heard that maybe
once over the past weekend and probably the next four
or five days. But but yes, the extreme heat it's
affecting you know, all of the Midwest of course our
area and most of the East coast, and extreme heat
warnings are out and it did play, you know, some
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some havoc with our Major League Baseball over the weekend.
The soaring tempts just affected some of the players, and
some of the bigger name players were affected. I just
wanted to bring that up and we can kind of
discuss a further. But over the weekend, one of the
shortstops for the Cincinnati Reds, Ellie Dela Cruz.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
I think you've heard of him.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
He fell ill during a game at Bush Stadium against
the Cardinals. He actually he left the field and his
manager stated, which I thought this was kind of a
funny way to put what happened, but he said, he stated,
he drank a bunch of water and then he went
right out and got rid of it. So obviously we
know what that means. But so but he was he
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left the game for a period of time. It wasn't
a serious medical emergency. He was able to return and
the Reds were victorious in that game, so he was
able to come back and finish. The other player that
had affected it was a relieve a reliever pitcher for
the Mariners, Trent Thornton, And for him it was a
little more serious because during the fourth inning, I think,
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not not the fourth I think it was later in
the game, but he actually had a physical event and
he actually had to be helped off the field by
the manager and by the assistant athletic trainer, and he
was immediately taken to an ice bath, which tells me
his may have been more closer to, you know, a
heat stroke rather than heat exhaustion. He did not return
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their tempts at that time at the beginning of the
game was like you know, ninety four. They also had
some UMP's fall ill during that game as well. So
the reason I thought this would be a good discussion
obviously it's a current event, but also you've experienced I'm
sure periods of excessive heat during your summer training camps
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the beginning of NFL season.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
You know, how did that affect your play.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Well, I'll start you when you start talking about like
training camp. Yes, you know, I think at the end
of the day, like I think the coaches, the mentality
back then, before all of the notable issues that were
around heat, you know, the heat was like the hotter,
the better, you know, because you know that's gonna get you,
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was the mentality. And and that's gonna get you in shape.
And but you had guys fallout. You had guys who
whatever they had had for lunch, whatever they had had
for breakfast, they couldn't, they couldn't, they couldn't keep it down.
Speaker 7 (04:25):
And but the crazy thing about old school.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
And most types of issues like this, no one sees
it as a issue.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
It's just something. It's not dangerous. It's it's something that hey, sit.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Down, put an ice towel on, you sit for a
little bit, and go right back out. And you and
and we didn't know the risk that we were taking.
And a lot of times it's not even necessarily the coach.
A lot of times it's the player, like you want
to get back out there, you know. And and and
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fortunately for me, you know, the few times that I've
ever really felt like I was i'd been overheated.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
Like again, I'm right back in, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Just get me on the get me on the sideline,
get me on the bench, get me a towel, dump
some water over me.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
I'm good to go. And really, you're not.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
You're not.
Speaker 7 (05:29):
You're really you're not.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
And I think I think in the on the high
school collegiate level, I think, and and and even matter
of fact, I'll even go down all the way down
to the youth levels. You have to be really, really
careful when you're talking about this kind of heat. And
anybody who's gets a little dizzy, feels like they're ready
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to throw up, throws up, any of it.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
That's a that's a signal that.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
You should not medical treatment, you should not ignore, right
because at the end of the day, that practice play,
that practice time, they can make that up.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Yeah, for sure. And what I was going to say,
you know, they really they recommend. I know, there's some
strategies that you just recommended, like with the towel and
with the dump the water and all those things.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
But you know, I guess prior to.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
Training and all of this the season beginning, they also recommend,
like you know, doing those ninety minutes like heat exposures,
like you go out for you know, one one day
or two days a week for ninety minutes and kind
of expose yourself and gradually build that up. Yeah, was
that something you guys did or no?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
If you know, we had, you know, again, at the
professional level, you got you know, you're in camp and
you've got two days, right, so you're coming out. You're
probably out on the field by nine or so, no
later than ten, and you're a yeah, and.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
So why wouldn't they start earlier to avoid the heat?
They want you in the heat right thet.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I'm not going to say that they want you that's
just kind of the schedule, like you know, and it
could have been earlier, but you're gonna get two hours
worth of practice and you're going to be in full
gear and you're gonna get a break, you know. So
but how much of a break can you get, you know,
sipping water bottles and you know, or something in a cup.
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It's it's really just not enough. But it was we
looked at it as this is what it is, right,
We knew knew. We didn't know a difference in you know,
you know it's hot, but you don't really know.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
That was kind of the old school.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
It was an old.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
School, and you didn't really think that anybody was really
gonna fall out. And sometimes even when you think that,
they when they fall out, you're like that, you know
they they couldn't take it, right, They're not tough, They're
not tough enough. They couldn't take it. They can't they
couldn't go through it all. But I'm telling you, like
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this type of heat, it can it can cause you
some really really major issues and.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
You need to take you need to take account for it.
Like I know, we went we went bike riding the
other day and.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
We went about ten fifteen miles or so, and I
could feel, yeah, like man, this was tough.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
You don't even have to be active in no, just
literally like yesterday evening, I had the dogs out after
they'd eaten their dinner and I could just feel my
body like just the perspiration and I'm just sitting there
like out of the sun in the shade because of
the high humidity as well, which plays a huge part
in all of this.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
But you know, the overall thing I think I.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
Wanted to to kind of talk about too was the performance.
I mean, it's going to affect your performance out on
the field regardless. I mean, even if you're able to
stay on the field. You know, there's things that neurologically
and physically that it's it's got to slow you down.
Speaker 7 (09:13):
Yes, I have to.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
And again I'm I'm cautious in answering how you know
a certain kind of way because I don't want to.
I don't want to lead anybody to think like it's
okay what I'm saying, or how somebody handled it, how
I handled it doesn't make it right. I'm just want
to clarify that I think we get I think as
you go up the ladder, especially at the professional level,
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you start to think that there isn't anything that can
can break you.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
There isn't anything that can It shows weakness.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yes, it's it makes you feel like you you it's
a it's a it's a male kind of thing that
like we don't want to you know, I know it's hot.
I don't want to fall out, I don't want to
throw up, I don't want to do anything. I don't want,
you know, I don't need any of those kinds of things.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
And I think we have to be.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
Careful well, don't you think the tides changed in that
whole attitude about the heat exposure with I think it
was two thousand and one. Was it Corey Stringer that
passed away during a practice? It may have been in
college or a high school student, I do from heat
related illness. It may have even been I think it
was a heat stroke, and that started to bring attention
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to the dangers of extreme heat and athletes.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
Yes, and I don't know.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
I'm assuming I have to regulated now.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yes, I was gonna say, I have to assume that
there is a huge regulation or something in place that
you have to do in those types of situations. If
we'd had a you know, maybe a coach or something,
they may know what those regulations have been or are now.
Speaker 7 (11:02):
Because there's no way I can't imagine.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
And if somebody out there can google Corey Corey Stringer
two thousand and one heat exhaustion incident. I couldn't remember
if it was a high school or college or even professional,
but I do remember the incident.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
I remember it.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Was a big deal because he actually died during practice.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
I've got it here.
Speaker 8 (11:23):
It was during the Minnesota Vikings training camp two thousand
and one.
Speaker 7 (11:26):
Oh Okay, okay, that's something I probably should have known.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Yeah, Okay, I knew it was Okay, Yeah, and it was.
It was a big deal.
Speaker 9 (11:34):
It was.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
And that's when it really started to throw light on
the dangers of this.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
And you would like to think that it would have
it should have all maybe should have been already in place.
Speaker 7 (11:47):
But again, at the at that level.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Everything is like, you you know, there's nothing that you
should be able to not do. You know, you got
to be able to deal with the cold, You got
to be able to do deal with the rain, you
got to be able to do with all the heat.
You got to like it's like you have to be
prepared to play in any condition that you that you
get and I do. Look when I look back at that,
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I do get it because we played in every kind
of weather.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
Possible, right right, But at the end of the day,
you know.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
There's there's some safety issues that you have to consider.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
And you could even go a step further with this
beyond the athletes on the field that are you know,
in whatever the you know, the event is what about
you know, like like what happened with that umpire during
that baseball game. You you know, there had to have
been incidents of heat related illness with with probably the fans, spectators,
and officials during some of those baseball games.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Of least, it affects everybody.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
It does you, you because you're in the bleachers right
and cheering and thinking.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
All and having a hot dog and a beer.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah that it's not gonna it's not gonna impact you.
It it it actually will. And and I and I
just don't think that we've and I hate to say
it this way, I just don't think we've had enough
situations to where we look at this as a really
as a major thing, like like like it's not a
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major concern. It's not like you know, to my knowledge,
I don't know that we've taken it serious enough or
or putting.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Maybe because that happen enough.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
I mean, like these extreme heat types of of weather,
you know events, they're not every summer, and they're not
this you know this you know impactful, and they're not.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Every sport, you know. I don't think that we should
you know, we we have. I don't think we should
have to wait to understand prevention. Yes, how how how serious,
how risky it is to be in this type of
heat and exercising outside just you know, guaranteed somebody's out running, yeah, you.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
Know, and and and they're loving it.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
We rode bikes the other day, and and I'm I'm
putting on shirt after shirt after shirt after shirt and
my and my sweat jacket because I want to sweat, you.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Know, And.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
Yes, are you serious?
Speaker 7 (14:29):
Car?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
And when I thought about it is when I got back,
because I was because I was soaked.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
Did you feel like I did feel a little a
little easy a little.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Bit, but I was like, you know, hey, I did it.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I got I got a good sweat, lost a few paunds.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
But you're living in that old school world.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
Carl's using Mother nature sauna out there.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
You know, I can't even believe he's saying this.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I mean, but I say it for the fact that,
like I know for a fact that there are people
like me right who are doing things who may not
even be that don't take it serious, Yeah, that don't
take it serious, may not be in the shape that
I'm not saying you have to be in shape to
do it. I'm not condoning what I did, but it
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does help. And then how far and how much and
how strenuous the things that you're doing. You have to
pay attention to that in order to be safe.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
So here's the question in the room. Here's the elephant
in the room.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
What are some of the strategies that I know, it's summer,
it gets hot, we all know that. But what are
some strategies that may be Major League Baseball on these
other mid summer type of outdoor you know sports, what
could they do to maybe help alleviate or prevent some
of these things happening, like with these two players that
happened over the weekend and the official I mean, what
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are some things they can do.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I think people would people would hate this, but I
think you need, especially in locations that are really hot,
you need indoor stadiums, you know. I think the I
think what solves this is indoor stadiums.
Speaker 7 (16:12):
Okay, you know that solves your problem.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Or you schedule it, like if it's a matinee type
of game, you're gonna have to have it either early
in the morning or late in the evening.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
I mean, whether the fans like it or not.
Speaker 8 (16:23):
Major League Baseball does a little bit as you look
at a team's season schedule, if they move further into
the summer, the games during the weeks start a lot later,
like a lot of them are seven.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
I'm not sure what time these games started. It was
so hot it didn't matter, probably even if they started
at seven.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
Well, and this, this is maybe a deeper rabbit hole
than you want to go down. One of the differences
I think for for me, like talking about football versus baseball.
With football, you if you want to have your legs
the bottoms of your legs exposed, or if you want
your arms exposed. You know, you don't have to have fabric. Baseball,
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I mean they came in game out all summer long.
They're wearing pants, you got that hot glove, you gotta
wear a hat. I mean it's and you know, sometimes
you're just standing out there and the.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Heat is in the sun bearing down on you.
Speaker 8 (17:13):
I wonder if I mean people would revolt. I'm sure,
but I mean, is there something you could do maybe
with the uniform.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Yeah, that's a good that's a good point.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And I could I could see, I could see shorts,
I could see something like that. But again, sliding, yeah,
you know, all those kinds of things would would would
be the reason why you don't go there. But again,
I think the reality that the key piece to this
is indoor stadiums.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Or if you can't do that, sometimes who can't?
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Here's my thing, Well tell me, I mean you got
to have money to build those indoor stadiums.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Some of these cities can't afford that. So I bet
that's an issue.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I bet you again when you start talking about when
you start talking about the NFL, the league itself could
could confirm that every team could have an indoor stadium
if they hadn't, if this was an issue. I'm not
sure how much baseball makes, how much the league itself makes, There's.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
Gotta be there's got to be something.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Well, I will give credit.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
I will give credit to Wrigley Field because they're going
to go a step beyond like the missing you know,
stations and all that. They're actually going to bring in
a portable, some type of a truck or something that
will be their cooling unit so that when a player
gets over you know, heated, or they feel like they
need a break, they can go into that. I don't
know how many stadiums have that, but at least they're trying.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
Well, there are a few that are indoor.
Speaker 8 (18:44):
I mean, you talk about down in Florida or American
Family Field in Milwaukee. They've got the removable roof the
Rogers Center up in Toronto. But other than that, I mean,
like the one I think of is maybe more like Minnesota.
Could you imagine in the spring game in March this Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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you need it for those fringe party sure season.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
Yeah all right, Well.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
You were a busy man this past weekend, Carle, Carly,
let me tell it. Let me tell the audience right now,
the listening audience, Carle is drinking coffee like it's it's just.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
Going out of style.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
And I walked into into the station this evening and
he was like, I'm living on coffee. And I'm like what,
because I've never really seen Carl drink this, drink coffee
like this. So Carl had a very busy weekend that
I'm very curious about. And I want to know what
happened this past weekend in Minneapolis.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Well, there's a there's a gentleman who's who is puts
on these events signings. We had a camp. I think
this is about the third year of the football camp
and he and he brings in a bunch of players
just for you know, for the excitement of it.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Okay, spill the tea.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
We want names and we want we had we had,
we had Dante called Pepper. He was there, Jim McMahon
was there. Chicago and the Chicago Bear quarterback. Now, the
interesting component about that is I think he did play
a year in Minnesota, but you know he was a Bear.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
But he he gets along.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
He's the guy that gets along with any and everybody,
and and and Dante, who I am going to just
just so everybody knows, I'm going to go after him
as a guest, uh to get him on awesome.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
I am shocked.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Did they do the Super Bowl shuffle?
Speaker 7 (20:46):
I don't think. I don't think Jim can do that.
I don't think he could do it.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
But what what was what was amazing to me was
to watch guys who were the epitome of the league
at one point in time, and how genuine they were
and and and personable to anybody who came up to
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to sign like I saw, especially Dante. I'll give him
the huge props like I don't think he turned down
a any anybody signing. Let's say so, let's say we
we we signed for about an hour and we're walking
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around somewhere in.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Now was this this autograph signing event combined with like
a football camp.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
It was with a football camp.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
It was with kind of everything all right, and so
all this stuff is done, but he's he's there and
somebody walks up to him and they'll say, hey, when
you sign this. Yes, I saw him with a couple
of little kids that no way they know who he was,
you know, but he was so kind to them.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
That it was. It was. It was just amazing.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
It made me feel proud, and it made me and
it made me think, like, so, if you're not Dante
colpep r. How do you not sign somebody's paper or
a hat or or something. You know what I'm saying, Sarah.
It was just it was for me, it was an
opportunity to see someone that played the game at a
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very high level but yet could still was so relatable
and so kind to the public.
Speaker 7 (22:40):
That it was.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I mean, it was unbelievable, and I think I think
the fans enjoyed it. I think they were like probably shocked.
And then Jim is just like he's just comical like
the whole time, and his jokes are not anything that
I could repeat, but they were some of them were good,
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some of them were like, oh, you know, but he
was such like he was such he was such fun
that and again someone who you would think, I would
think would not be overly personable, but he was so
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like he'd come get on, get on if we were
riding somewhere, were we were on some vands and stuff,
and he would come over and like he wouldn't sit byself,
he'd come sit right beside you, and then he nudge
on you and joke with you, and like like he
wasn't gonna ride on any of the transportation that we
had and sit beside you and not talk to you
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and joke and and again. People have their ideas of
who these guys are and what they might be.
Speaker 9 (23:53):
Like, and and and I and again I even had
that And it was so amazing to.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
To have to to see guys that had played at
such a high level be so genuinely kind to players
they didn't know, sure players they played against the public kids.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
I mean, it was it was unbelievable to me.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
I was I was kind of like starstruck in my
own right because I just couldn't imagine, like, I don't
know what I thought they would be you know, but
I have seen that before at the high level guys
that are high level, I've seen guys do that, and
I was like, guys, man, I'm just curious about how
they're going to address it.
Speaker 7 (24:42):
And it was so far on the other end of
it that I was amazed.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
So the football camp part of it, now, how did
that work? Did they have like just area youth come
to that, and and did all the participants in the autograph?
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Did you participate in that as well?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yes, we had a couple a couple of guys played golf.
Some of the guys played golf, some of the guys
did the camp. So some of the some of the younger,
more mobile guys worked the camp, and some of the
other guys who have.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
A little bit of what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Not young, just mobile, so I should say young and mobile. Okay, okay, okay,
So you could if you were one of those, then
you you work the camp and and we we just
kind of broke it out into different sections. It's about
eighty kids or so. Yeah, and every every one of
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the players that were there had an opportunity to kind
of speak to the kids, talk to them about life
and sports and all that kind of stuff, whatever they
whatever they wanted, and I thought that was something that
was that was really really kind of kind of special.
So and I'll give this. The gentleman who puts this
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on his name is Buddy Becker. He's the guy that
contacts everybody, pays everybody gets.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
Their flights, hotel meals, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
You can't like, like, I don't know anybody who does
that kind of stuff, you know, But he, he and
another gentleman named Kevin, they have started kind of working
together doing these kinds of things. And these and the
areas that we go to are a ways from the
cities and you know, the Twin Cities, so they're not
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like right down in the cities. We're out and about
in smaller communities. Yeah, and I think that I think
that's what's really really important about it, is that we
get to those communities who.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
Typically don't see players.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yeah, you know, and then it's so cool to watch
these young kids who you know, don't know, don't know,
you don't know anybody.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
There, and just the way they just small when you sign.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
And I mean, so it's really before yes, yes, for sure, Yeah,
I'm probably I'm.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
Probably me and me and Jim are probably well Scott
Studwell was there who was a linebacker for it?
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Do you play against Jim?
Speaker 6 (27:18):
Yes, okay, I couldn't remember if that was the same
time period.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Unfortunately, Yes, somebody asked me. I think I think Dave
asked me on the show before if I if I
had picked them, and I'm like, I don't know. I'm
gonna have to go back and look at that because
if I, if I did, I want to make sure
he knows that the next time.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
We hook up.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
You need you need to do some research.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
I need to do a little bit of research.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
But I know this. We you know the Bears huge season.
I don't remember which what season that was, was like
eight eighty nine or so or late eighties, late eighties.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I don't think that I would have picked them that
season because I think they were perfect in every category possible.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
So they were still they're still memorable, and you still
remember that run.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I'll make the case to this to this day, I
think that's probably the best defense and possibly the best team.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
That the league has ever seen.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Oh no, I'm gonna let me say really I'm going there,
but let me just say this.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
To the New England Patriots during their era. The let's
think about the recent Kansas City chief.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I get it, I get it. Now, here's what I'm
going to tell you. Okay, why, here's why I say that. Wow,
let's hear the why. The physicality of what the Bears
were then versus what it is today.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
But the rules were different, The rules were different.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
And I'm just saying, if you, if you play the
Bears in the Bears era, they they don't have no
problem putting putting my homes on his back and sending
him to the where he's can't come back. They don't
have no problem with that. You you, that's a bold statement.
I know, I know, but and you're staying on your
(29:18):
business because I just don't know if there was, if
there's ever going to be a more physical team.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
And then again, their offense was even.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Physical, Like yeah, they know they were.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
You're right, and so you.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
The great quarterbacks today are mobile and all those kinds
of things.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
Sure, but the defensive.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Lineman, the linebackers you're talking about, Singletary, you're talking about,
like you, that whole defensive line, that whole defensive secondary,
like it was an.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Amazing fans still talk about it.
Speaker 7 (29:55):
Yeah, it would have been early in your career.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
It was actually nineteen eighty five and one Super twenty.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Yes, okay, okay, the Men eighties, Yeah, we were close.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah, eighties, eighties, And I'm telling you, I don't think
to this day when I think about a team, like
you know, there was some really good teams back then, sure,
but there was nothing.
Speaker 7 (30:19):
Like that Bears team. There was nothing to me that
Bears team was.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
So how old is McMahon now, I think he's I
think he's I mean, I can you.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Look that up because I think I think he's older,
just a little bit older than me.
Speaker 7 (30:35):
I think he might be just a little bit older
than that.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Because you yeah, that would make sense because you had
to been really early in your career eighty five, right.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
Yeah, because I came in I got drafted in eighty three.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
Yeah, so you were, so I was just getting it
just past your rookie year sixty five.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Now he's sixty five. Yeah, okay, yeah, so he was
one year ahead of me.
Speaker 7 (30:55):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
So and again, like I said, man, you know, getting
a chance to kind of like hang out be around
him was was interesting because again he had like he's
just so much fun, like he's he's never serious.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
We need to get him on this show.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
We can we get we we got a shot at
it because I got access to him. So yeah, so
if we can get him and we can get Dante,
yeah yeah, you know, we would be doing good.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
We'd have Uh.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Now, I'm not even gonna go there. We're gonna take
a quick break and we'll be back.
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Speaker 3 (33:04):
So I had to take a quick break for us.
That's something that I probably didn't want to.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Say, and I wish you would have. It wasn't horrible.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
We were just talking about the beauty of podcasts would
take care of things like that. So Carl, I know
some conversations we've had in our text threads with Hollis,
and we miss Hollis because I know he would have
had a lot to say about this subject.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
But some of.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
The things that we were talking about is training camps
and how for some players it is something that they
either they don't enjoy, or they don't complete, or they
get really frustrated with, or.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Some don't even show up.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
So you know, those things tell us a little bit
about your experiences with training camps and what you see today.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I missed two days two days of training camp because
of my contract, of all of the contracts that I signed,
which is.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
One of the major reasons.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Why a lot of players it has got it has
become something that.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
You can use to get out of.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
It, get out of training camp. But back then, you
really didn't want to not go to camp unless you
were truly comfortable with being at a position that.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
You knew that you were going to be.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Like Aaron quarterback.
Speaker 7 (34:26):
Yes, if if if.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
You're unsure of where you're you know whether or not
you're going to start, you're coming to training camp. I
don't care what the contract issue is because you've got
to show up, you know. And but I think now,
I think when you look at what is.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
It six weeks it was technically it was.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
I always thought it was four. It was four weeks for.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
Us extended it. But if if well, that may be true.
But if they have extended it, I'm sure that it
is not at the same level level of what it
was in four weeks. Yeah, because you're talking about again
this type of heat. If you know, if this type
of heat is out there, you're still practicing and you're
(35:12):
still going full gear.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
And now do you get a break?
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yeah, you get a couple more breaks, but still in
this kind of heat and training camp is is the
deciding factor of whether or not you're going to play?
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Yeah, is it once or twice a day?
Speaker 3 (35:30):
It's twice a day you'll do We did. We did
two weeks of two a days back in the day,
and then we go to one day, one a day
as we got closer to the end. And those too
A days, I mean, they were they were, they were tough.
But at that point when you come out of the
(35:52):
two to day's sessions, you're probably either somewhat close to kind.
Speaker 7 (35:57):
Of figuring out.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
The coaches are pretty much trying to figure out who's
going to be playing and who's going to be starting,
who's going to be here, who's going to be there,
and it's starting to kind of pan out to them
at that point now. And I say that because if
you're going to a camp, training camp, camp period, high school, college,
(36:24):
it's really important to show everything that you got as
quick as you possibly can, because you know, if you're
looking to get you know, there's guys that are starters,
who have acculades, who've started for five years, ten years, whatever,
you know, and you're trying to get it on the
(36:44):
field right. You're getting on the field basically because of
training camp, because once training camp's over, unless that guy
is they want, they know who they want. And the
guys who are playing, unless they're really playing bad or
they're just not helping the team, or you're close to
(37:07):
that player's talent, you're gonna likely to get some some snaps,
which is my situation. To get to play was the
opportunity a guy got hurt and decided not to take
a shot, and Bud Grant gave me, gave me the start,
(37:29):
and I think I've said this before, and I get
a game winning interception against Detroit and that was the
beginning of my career. And that was that was in
my third year. That was the beginning of my career
of finding success in the NFL. My rookie season, I
got an opportunity to play and I moved positions the
(37:53):
second year back to safety. So and I didn't start
in the beginning of the season there either, but I
quickly he moved back because safety was a different position.
I thought I was a safety because that's what I
was in college in high school. And I was like thinking, like, Okay,
I'm gonna I'm gonna let me go back to what.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
I started to know. Yeah, and I went back.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
And it was a little different.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
The guys who were breaking through the line of scrimmage
did not look like what they looked like when I
was at Marshall.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
Don't let me get yeah, I had a.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
They were not small and I we talked about Jim McMahon,
I'll talk and maybe I've told this story before, but
Walter Payton actually broke through the line of scrimmage and
I'm at safety and never in my childhood.
Speaker 7 (38:52):
Of all the dreaming of playing in the league.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
That's not the scenario that I ever ever kay on
my mind, and I will never forget it. So I'm looking,
I'm looking, and it just it just blows open, right,
and I'm like, okay, one thing, I for sure he
is not gonna change his direction for me, so you know,
(39:17):
like there's no reason for him to think like he's
gonna shake and bake and and go.
Speaker 7 (39:22):
Around me or anything.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
This was his opportunity to say, Okay, I am Walter Payton,
welcome to the league.
Speaker 7 (39:30):
And I'm like thinking, okay. So I'm looking at.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Him, and I'm like thinking, okay, he's not gonna come
off course, so I can just go ahead and just
run right at him and we'll just see what's happening. Lisa,
Like I'm on my way there, and I'm and again
I'm thinking maybe Marshall.
Speaker 7 (39:49):
I'm thinking maybe high school.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Like, hey, I'm gonna make this play. I do make
the tackle, but when I make contact with him, it's like.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
I hit I hit him, and it was like hitting
a wall.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
So my whole body, my whole body just stopped and
I'm like, Okay, what's happening here?
Speaker 7 (40:15):
Like you know what's right.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
No, he's not going down and he's continuing to move forward.
Speaker 7 (40:21):
Now I can feel myself on my heels, and.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
I'm thinking, okay, I am getting ready to go fall over.
Speaker 7 (40:30):
I am not anymore.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
He hits me, and the only way he falls is
because I'm falling down. I'm falling backwards and he's trying
to run through me, and he trips over me and
falls And I realized, then, okay, you know there's there's
there is a time when you say, okay, I'm in
the NFL. Yes, that was a time that I realized that, okay,
(40:59):
this is this is this is different. Can I coach?
Can I play corner?
Speaker 5 (41:07):
I just had this great idea. I really I think
I should probably say no question.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
I think I am a better corner than a safety.
Speaker 7 (41:17):
Well, you mean to tell me you would have rather
been lined up against Terry Rice twice? I would take
Jerry Rice.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
I would take any receiver in the league instead of
that tackle with Peyton. I'd almost be willing to set
the corner on the gold line with a guard coming
to blow me up.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
He's saying he ate some humble pip. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (41:47):
Well, running running backs were built different. I mean they
were bigger than.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
And their mindset with the mindset was different, you know,
and you had the big safeties you had easily you
had like there was all these Ronnie Lott you had
all these huge safeties that would just knock your head off.
Speaker 7 (42:08):
And corners were little physical. We was kind of physical.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
But we were playing man and man and and that
was the kind of the that was.
Speaker 7 (42:15):
You know.
Speaker 11 (42:16):
So we were chasing receivers and hitting receivers and then
unfortunately for me, for whatever whatever call we had on
the defensive side, it was not the right calling.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
I have to go back and look at these tapes.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Oh look, I'm just telling you they it's the game
was just different, you know. It was it was and
I don't mean this in a bad way, like there's
not men there now, but back then it was it
was men really wanting to dominate other men. And and
the Bears, that Bears team was so full of it.
(42:59):
Like they they they knew what they had, you know,
they had this pressure defense.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
That they had no fear.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
They had no fear, and they were doing everything that
they liked, right, you know. And again a few years
later we end up going to some bumping, we go
when we go, Pete Carroll comes in, we go to
bump and run, and we've got Chris Dowman, Keith Millard,
Henry Thomas, all these guys that could rush the passer. Sure,
(43:28):
all of a sudden, now we're that team, you know.
So it was that it was time where each each
team was building defenses, like you had to have a
defense that had something going, and so quarterbacks feared our
d line and that helped us out on the on
the edges of playing man the man.
Speaker 7 (43:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (43:49):
You know, it's funny how the Pendulums have have swung
from a defensive focus to now it's more of an
offensive focus. Don't you feel like in this day as
absolutely all about the quarterback and the running back and
and what the offense produces.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
I think that's because of the excitement of the fans
who want it's what the fans want. And again, I
don't know where the fans stopped loving the defense, and
I don't know if they stopped and just but they
just decided that.
Speaker 6 (44:19):
Yeah, And I think for a fan that's not truly
understanding the game, they're not going to be as appreciative
of the defensive game.
Speaker 5 (44:26):
As they are the offense, because the offense is you know.
Speaker 6 (44:28):
Exciting to touchdown running, and they don't appreciate, you know,
a defensive type of game.
Speaker 5 (44:35):
As a fan that understands it.
Speaker 7 (44:37):
I think, I think you're spot on. And I think too.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
To to look at a let's say, a corner cover
receiver is not overly exciting.
Speaker 7 (44:51):
You know.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Now you know, if that guy's on your you know,
if that's a guy you're rooting or the team that
you're rooting on, he knocks the ball down, you're like, okay, cool,
second and long. You don't really you're not focused on
that sexy. It's not it's not really sexy. It's just
and again, you go back in those days, so many
people were playing bump and run. The fans liked it
(45:16):
because you're in most cases you're blitzing and you've got
guys coming all over the place. Quarterbacks are getting knocked around. Yeah,
and the and the fans love that kind of stuff.
And now it's just it just is it's a lot,
it's a lot different.
Speaker 6 (45:30):
Well, the quarterbacks are protected more now than right there,
right and right, Lisa, Yeah, they have to be, but
still at during that time period, they didn't have nearly
the protections that they do now, and so they got
hit pretty hard.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Yeah, and and and I make the case to get
a to get a flag on the quarterback, you really
truly have to be late. But anything else, like if
you if you're before the whistle, everything was good all yeah,
and you know, and there was you know, there was
like like the diving on the pal you know, it
(46:06):
is like just a little crack that you can get
your helmet in. You were diving in and that was okay,
but imagine, imagine, And this is this is why I think.
Speaker 6 (46:18):
Probably encouraged even yes, I mean, if it was legal,
your sage probably said, go for it.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
If you could get a guy out of the game,
you know, if you could get a guy out of
the game that's that can beat you, then yeah, more
power to you. Right that now they have to come
up and try to replace that player. So it and
I think the further back you go, I think the
more physical the game was. And again to your point
(46:46):
about rules and regulations that you can't do this, you
can't do that, I think that has.
Speaker 7 (46:54):
Changed the way the game.
Speaker 5 (46:55):
Looks, and it needed to.
Speaker 6 (47:00):
I think we've kind of gone overboard with it, maybe
a little further than we needed to, but definitely some
changes needed to happen.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
And I hate, I hate to say this, but like
I just think, like the guys in the secondary, yeah,
just don't not everybody, not all of them, but there's
a lot who just they don't tackle like you know,
they don't do the they don't have the physicality in
their mindset. They knocked the ball, they knocked the ball down.
(47:28):
They don't necessarily want to make the tackle. If it's
a running back coming at you, they don't necessarily want
to make that or they don't look like they want
to make it.
Speaker 8 (47:36):
Do you think maybe the leagues maybe build a little
bit more around speed you've got, I mean like running
backs that are also potentially a receiver, like I think
about like Christian McCaffrey, or you've got like Travis Kelcey
the tight end spot.
Speaker 7 (47:50):
I mean he's really just a giant receiver receiver.
Speaker 8 (47:53):
Yeah, you get all these people out of the box
and running down the fields. So for one, that's going
to give you more of that protection you look at
on the quarterback, But it's just everybody running everywhere and
you never know where the ball is going to go.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
When you talk about Kelsey, like the crazy thing about
that there were a few tight ends. We actually had
one Steve Jordan, who was so athletic that no linebacker
could really cover him. And and then the other problem
is they're too big for me, you know what I'm saying.
So those kind of guys now are amazing because you
(48:28):
you can't find anybody that can cover him. You can't
put a corner on them because they're too big. They're
bigger there mighty. I mean, they might as well be
an offensive tackle.
Speaker 8 (48:38):
Well, who wants to tackle the guy that's six foot
seven and pounds.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
No, I mean unless you're alignment. Unless you're alignment, you know,
you might be okay with that. But he's down the field,
he's not going to be nowhere near you to have contact.
And then be him knowing you're that size and who
and knowing that no one wants to hitch he's looking
(49:02):
for a Yeah he's got he's trying to make a highlight. Yes,
I'm trying to stay out of the highlight, and he's
trying to make.
Speaker 5 (49:11):
Trying to make one.
Speaker 7 (49:12):
Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
It's interesting just to see the size of guys playing
and and now playing a position. You know, you got
him at running back, you got you know, you got
a good average size of probably six two six three
probably at wide receiver now with amazing speed and now
(49:36):
you're talking about a six six sixty seven tight end speed.
Speaker 6 (49:40):
That's just that's just the way it is every position
now pretty much in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (49:44):
That's a fact speed.
Speaker 7 (49:46):
Do you think their agilities may be better than what
it was? Absolutely? I think in this day and time.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
If if there's anything that the league has, anything that
the players have and a true advantage on is there
everybody the whole group is way more athletic, a whole
lot faster and and I think that in the game
now you're looking at that on offense and defense all
(50:13):
at the same time, you know, and the game is
just faster now, it's just more athletic.
Speaker 6 (50:19):
And you've got to attribute that just the science of football.
I mean, they've learned so much about you know, physical
training and preparation and bodybuilding and all the things that
are required to get to that athletic, you know level,
and they have it now.
Speaker 5 (50:33):
They have all that.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Well you look at you look at quarterbacks. That quote
used to scramble. You look at those quarterbacks, okay, and
they were they were magical. They were like, oh my gosh,
did you see stallback?
Speaker 7 (50:45):
You know?
Speaker 5 (50:46):
But now that's common.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
It's yeah, and and and some of these guys are
amazingly athletic and making people miss. And you're thinking, that's
a quarterback. That's not a running back.
Speaker 7 (51:01):
You know.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
You know, when did a quarterback get to like to
be like a Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 7 (51:07):
Like, how's that pass?
Speaker 5 (51:09):
How the game's evolved?
Speaker 3 (51:09):
Yeah, but that is truly how the game has evolved.
And it's and it's to me, I think it's just
gonna keep going.
Speaker 7 (51:16):
Yeah, you know, so we say anything else.
Speaker 5 (51:21):
I think that's it.
Speaker 6 (51:22):
We somehow jumped from training camps. But that's okay. We
made a good comeback with our subject at the end.
Speaker 5 (51:27):
So we're good. We're good.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
All right, ladies and gentlemen. We appreciate the time, and
we will be back again.
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Speaker 3 (00:51):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen. This is Carl Lee and I'm
here with Let's Talk. And Lisa Odie is my only
guest in the building today.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Good.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
This is a scary thing.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Hollis Lewis is out today and we're we're Lisa. It
has been so it has been like so hot here recently,
Like you know, when you start talking about this kind
of heat and you start talking about like sports, right,
I mean, this is really really really considered what I
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would call danger exactly.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
Yeah, that's the pervading question. At least in our region,
is hot enough for you have you heard that maybe
once over the past weekend and probably the next four
or five days. But but yes, the extreme heat it's
affecting you know, all of the Midwest of course our
area and most of the East coast, and extreme heat
warnings are out and it did play, you know, some
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some havoc with our Major League Baseball over the weekend.
The soaring tempts just affected some of the players, and
some of the bigger name players were affected. I just
wanted to bring that up and we can kind of
discuss a further. But over the weekend, one of the
shortstops for the Cincinnati Reds, Ellie Dela Cruz.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
I think you've heard of him.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
He fell ill during a game at Bush Stadium against
the Cardinals. He actually he left the field and his
manager stated, which I thought this was kind of a
funny way to put what happened, but he said, he stated,
he drank a bunch of water and then he went
right out and got rid of it. So obviously we
know what that means. But so but he was he
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left the game for a period of time. It wasn't
a serious medical emergency. He was able to return and
the Reds were victorious in that game, so he was
able to come back and finish. The other player that
had affected it was a relieve a reliever pitcher for
the Mariners, Trent Thornton, And for him it was a
little more serious because during the fourth inning, I think,
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not not the fourth I think it was later in
the game, but he actually had a physical event and
he actually had to be helped off the field by
the manager and by the assistant athletic trainer, and he
was immediately taken to an ice bath, which tells me
his may have been more closer to, you know, a
heat stroke rather than heat exhaustion. He did not return
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their tempts at that time at the beginning of the
game was like you know, ninety four. They also had
some UMP's fall ill during that game as well. So
the reason I thought this would be a good discussion
obviously it's a current event, but also you've experienced I'm
sure periods of excessive heat during your summer training camps
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the beginning of NFL season.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
You know, how did that affect your play.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Well, I'll start you when you start talking about like
training camp. Yes, you know, I think at the end
of the day, like I think the coaches, the mentality
back then, before all of the notable issues that were
around heat, you know, the heat was like the hotter,
the better, you know, because you know that's gonna get you,
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was the mentality. And and that's gonna get you in shape.
And but you had guys fallout. You had guys who
whatever they had had for lunch, whatever they had had
for breakfast, they couldn't, they couldn't, they couldn't keep it down.
Speaker 7 (04:25):
And but the crazy thing about old school.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
And most types of issues like this, no one sees
it as a issue.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
It's just something. It's not dangerous. It's it's something that hey, sit.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Down, put an ice towel on, you sit for a
little bit, and go right back out. And you and
and we didn't know the risk that we were taking.
And a lot of times it's not even necessarily the coach.
A lot of times it's the player, like you want
to get back out there, you know. And and and
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fortunately for me, you know, the few times that I've
ever really felt like I was i'd been overheated.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
Like again, I'm right back in, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Just get me on the get me on the sideline,
get me on the bench, get me a towel, dump
some water over me.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
I'm good to go. And really, you're not.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
You're not.
Speaker 7 (05:29):
You're really you're not.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
And I think I think in the on the high
school collegiate level, I think, and and and even matter
of fact, I'll even go down all the way down
to the youth levels. You have to be really, really
careful when you're talking about this kind of heat. And
anybody who's gets a little dizzy, feels like they're ready
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to throw up, throws up, any of it.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
That's a that's a signal that.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
You should not medical treatment, you should not ignore, right
because at the end of the day, that practice play,
that practice time, they can make that up.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Yeah, for sure. And what I was going to say,
you know, they really they recommend. I know, there's some
strategies that you just recommended, like with the towel and
with the dump the water and all those things.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
But you know, I guess prior to.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
Training and all of this the season beginning, they also recommend,
like you know, doing those ninety minutes like heat exposures,
like you go out for you know, one one day
or two days a week for ninety minutes and kind
of expose yourself and gradually build that up. Yeah, was
that something you guys did or no?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
If you know, we had, you know, again, at the
professional level, you got you know, you're in camp and
you've got two days, right, so you're coming out. You're
probably out on the field by nine or so, no
later than ten, and you're a yeah, and.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
So why wouldn't they start earlier to avoid the heat?
They want you in the heat right thet.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I'm not going to say that they want you that's
just kind of the schedule, like you know, and it
could have been earlier, but you're gonna get two hours
worth of practice and you're going to be in full
gear and you're gonna get a break, you know. So
but how much of a break can you get, you know,
sipping water bottles and you know, or something in a cup.
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It's it's really just not enough. But it was we
looked at it as this is what it is, right,
We knew knew. We didn't know a difference in you know,
you know it's hot, but you don't really know.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
That was kind of the old school.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
It was an old.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
School, and you didn't really think that anybody was really
gonna fall out. And sometimes even when you think that,
they when they fall out, you're like that, you know
they they couldn't take it, right, They're not tough, They're
not tough enough. They couldn't take it. They can't they
couldn't go through it all. But I'm telling you, like
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this type of heat, it can it can cause you
some really really major issues and.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
You need to take you need to take account for it.
Like I know, we went we went bike riding the
other day and.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
We went about ten fifteen miles or so, and I
could feel, yeah, like man, this was tough.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
You don't even have to be active in no, just
literally like yesterday evening, I had the dogs out after
they'd eaten their dinner and I could just feel my
body like just the perspiration and I'm just sitting there
like out of the sun in the shade because of
the high humidity as well, which plays a huge part
in all of this.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
But you know, the overall thing I think I.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
Wanted to to kind of talk about too was the performance.
I mean, it's going to affect your performance out on
the field regardless. I mean, even if you're able to
stay on the field. You know, there's things that neurologically
and physically that it's it's got to slow you down.
Speaker 7 (09:13):
Yes, I have to.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
And again I'm I'm cautious in answering how you know
a certain kind of way because I don't want to.
I don't want to lead anybody to think like it's
okay what I'm saying, or how somebody handled it, how
I handled it doesn't make it right. I'm just want
to clarify that I think we get I think as
you go up the ladder, especially at the professional level,
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you start to think that there isn't anything that can
can break you.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
There isn't anything that can It shows weakness.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yes, it's it makes you feel like you you it's
a it's a it's a male kind of thing that
like we don't want to you know, I know it's hot.
I don't want to fall out, I don't want to
throw up, I don't want to do anything. I don't want,
you know, I don't need any of those kinds of things.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
And I think we have to be.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
Careful well, don't you think the tides changed in that
whole attitude about the heat exposure with I think it
was two thousand and one. Was it Corey Stringer that
passed away during a practice? It may have been in
college or a high school student, I do from heat
related illness. It may have even been I think it
was a heat stroke, and that started to bring attention
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to the dangers of extreme heat and athletes.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
Yes, and I don't know.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
I'm assuming I have to regulated now.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yes, I was gonna say, I have to assume that
there is a huge regulation or something in place that
you have to do in those types of situations. If
we'd had a you know, maybe a coach or something,
they may know what those regulations have been or are now.
Speaker 7 (11:02):
Because there's no way I can't imagine.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
And if somebody out there can google Corey Corey Stringer
two thousand and one heat exhaustion incident. I couldn't remember
if it was a high school or college or even professional,
but I do remember the incident.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
I remember it.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Was a big deal because he actually died during practice.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
I've got it here.
Speaker 8 (11:23):
It was during the Minnesota Vikings training camp two thousand
and one.
Speaker 7 (11:26):
Oh Okay, okay, that's something I probably should have known.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Yeah, Okay, I knew it was Okay, Yeah, and it was.
It was a big deal.
Speaker 9 (11:34):
It was.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
And that's when it really started to throw light on
the dangers of this.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
And you would like to think that it would have
it should have all maybe should have been already in place.
Speaker 7 (11:47):
But again, at the at that level.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Everything is like, you you know, there's nothing that you
should be able to not do. You know, you got
to be able to deal with the cold, You got
to be able to do deal with the rain, you
got to be able to do with all the heat.
You got to like it's like you have to be
prepared to play in any condition that you that you
get and I do. Look when I look back at that,
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I do get it because we played in every kind
of weather.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
Possible, right right, But at the end of the day,
you know.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
There's there's some safety issues that you have to consider.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
And you could even go a step further with this
beyond the athletes on the field that are you know,
in whatever the you know, the event is what about
you know, like like what happened with that umpire during
that baseball game. You you know, there had to have
been incidents of heat related illness with with probably the fans, spectators,
and officials during some of those baseball games.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Of least, it affects everybody.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
It does you, you because you're in the bleachers right
and cheering and thinking.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
All and having a hot dog and a beer.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah that it's not gonna it's not gonna impact you.
It it it actually will. And and I and I
just don't think that we've and I hate to say
it this way, I just don't think we've had enough
situations to where we look at this as a really
as a major thing, like like like it's not a
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major concern. It's not like you know, to my knowledge,
I don't know that we've taken it serious enough or
or putting.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Maybe because that happen enough.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
I mean, like these extreme heat types of of weather,
you know events, they're not every summer, and they're not
this you know this you know impactful, and they're not.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Every sport, you know. I don't think that we should
you know, we we have. I don't think we should
have to wait to understand prevention. Yes, how how how serious,
how risky it is to be in this type of
heat and exercising outside just you know, guaranteed somebody's out running, yeah, you.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
Know, and and and they're loving it.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
We rode bikes the other day, and and I'm I'm
putting on shirt after shirt after shirt after shirt and
my and my sweat jacket because I want to sweat, you.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Know, And.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
Yes, are you serious?
Speaker 7 (14:29):
Car?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
And when I thought about it is when I got back,
because I was because I was soaked.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
Did you feel like I did feel a little a
little easy a little.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Bit, but I was like, you know, hey, I did it.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I got I got a good sweat, lost a few paunds.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
But you're living in that old school world.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
Carl's using Mother nature sauna out there.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
You know, I can't even believe he's saying this.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I mean, but I say it for the fact that,
like I know for a fact that there are people
like me right who are doing things who may not
even be that don't take it serious, Yeah, that don't
take it serious, may not be in the shape that
I'm not saying you have to be in shape to
do it. I'm not condoning what I did, but it
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does help. And then how far and how much and
how strenuous the things that you're doing. You have to
pay attention to that in order to be safe.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
So here's the question in the room. Here's the elephant
in the room.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
What are some of the strategies that I know, it's summer,
it gets hot, we all know that. But what are
some strategies that may be Major League Baseball on these
other mid summer type of outdoor you know sports, what
could they do to maybe help alleviate or prevent some
of these things happening, like with these two players that
happened over the weekend and the official I mean, what
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are some things they can do.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I think people would people would hate this, but I
think you need, especially in locations that are really hot,
you need indoor stadiums, you know. I think the I
think what solves this is indoor stadiums.
Speaker 7 (16:12):
Okay, you know that solves your problem.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Or you schedule it, like if it's a matinee type
of game, you're gonna have to have it either early
in the morning or late in the evening.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
I mean, whether the fans like it or not.
Speaker 8 (16:23):
Major League Baseball does a little bit as you look
at a team's season schedule, if they move further into
the summer, the games during the weeks start a lot later,
like a lot of them are seven.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
I'm not sure what time these games started. It was
so hot it didn't matter, probably even if they started
at seven.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
Well, and this, this is maybe a deeper rabbit hole
than you want to go down. One of the differences
I think for for me, like talking about football versus baseball.
With football, you if you want to have your legs
the bottoms of your legs exposed, or if you want
your arms exposed. You know, you don't have to have fabric. Baseball,
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I mean they came in game out all summer long.
They're wearing pants, you got that hot glove, you gotta
wear a hat. I mean it's and you know, sometimes
you're just standing out there and the.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Heat is in the sun bearing down on you.
Speaker 8 (17:13):
I wonder if I mean people would revolt. I'm sure,
but I mean, is there something you could do maybe
with the uniform.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Yeah, that's a good that's a good point.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And I could I could see, I could see shorts,
I could see something like that. But again, sliding, yeah,
you know, all those kinds of things would would would
be the reason why you don't go there. But again,
I think the reality that the key piece to this
is indoor stadiums.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Or if you can't do that, sometimes who can't?
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Here's my thing, Well tell me, I mean you got
to have money to build those indoor stadiums.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Some of these cities can't afford that. So I bet
that's an issue.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I bet you again when you start talking about when
you start talking about the NFL, the league itself could
could confirm that every team could have an indoor stadium
if they hadn't, if this was an issue. I'm not
sure how much baseball makes, how much the league itself makes, There's.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
Gotta be there's got to be something.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Well, I will give credit.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
I will give credit to Wrigley Field because they're going
to go a step beyond like the missing you know,
stations and all that. They're actually going to bring in
a portable, some type of a truck or something that
will be their cooling unit so that when a player
gets over you know, heated, or they feel like they
need a break, they can go into that. I don't
know how many stadiums have that, but at least they're trying.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
Well, there are a few that are indoor.
Speaker 8 (18:44):
I mean, you talk about down in Florida or American
Family Field in Milwaukee. They've got the removable roof the
Rogers Center up in Toronto. But other than that, I mean,
like the one I think of is maybe more like Minnesota.
Could you imagine in the spring game in March this Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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you need it for those fringe party sure season.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
Yeah all right, Well.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
You were a busy man this past weekend, Carle, Carly,
let me tell it. Let me tell the audience right now,
the listening audience, Carle is drinking coffee like it's it's just.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
Going out of style.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
And I walked into into the station this evening and
he was like, I'm living on coffee. And I'm like what,
because I've never really seen Carl drink this, drink coffee
like this. So Carl had a very busy weekend that
I'm very curious about. And I want to know what
happened this past weekend in Minneapolis.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Well, there's a there's a gentleman who's who is puts
on these events signings. We had a camp. I think
this is about the third year of the football camp
and he and he brings in a bunch of players
just for you know, for the excitement of it.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Okay, spill the tea.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
We want names and we want we had we had,
we had Dante called Pepper. He was there, Jim McMahon
was there. Chicago and the Chicago Bear quarterback. Now, the
interesting component about that is I think he did play
a year in Minnesota, but you know he was a Bear.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
But he he gets along.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
He's the guy that gets along with any and everybody,
and and and Dante, who I am going to just
just so everybody knows, I'm going to go after him
as a guest, uh to get him on awesome.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
I am shocked.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Did they do the Super Bowl shuffle?
Speaker 7 (20:46):
I don't think. I don't think Jim can do that.
I don't think he could do it.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
But what what was what was amazing to me was
to watch guys who were the epitome of the league
at one point in time, and how genuine they were
and and and personable to anybody who came up to
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to sign like I saw, especially Dante. I'll give him
the huge props like I don't think he turned down
a any anybody signing. Let's say so, let's say we
we we signed for about an hour and we're walking
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around somewhere in.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Now was this this autograph signing event combined with like
a football camp.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
It was with a football camp.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
It was with kind of everything all right, and so
all this stuff is done, but he's he's there and
somebody walks up to him and they'll say, hey, when
you sign this. Yes, I saw him with a couple
of little kids that no way they know who he was,
you know, but he was so kind to them.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
That it was. It was. It was just amazing.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
It made me feel proud, and it made me and
it made me think, like, so, if you're not Dante
colpep r. How do you not sign somebody's paper or
a hat or or something. You know what I'm saying, Sarah.
It was just it was for me, it was an
opportunity to see someone that played the game at a
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very high level but yet could still was so relatable
and so kind to the public.
Speaker 7 (22:40):
That it was.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I mean, it was unbelievable, and I think I think
the fans enjoyed it. I think they were like probably shocked.
And then Jim is just like he's just comical like
the whole time, and his jokes are not anything that
I could repeat, but they were some of them were good,
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some of them were like, oh, you know, but he
was such like he was such he was such fun
that and again someone who you would think, I would
think would not be overly personable, but he was so
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like he'd come get on, get on if we were
riding somewhere, were we were on some vands and stuff,
and he would come over and like he wouldn't sit byself,
he'd come sit right beside you, and then he nudge
on you and joke with you, and like like he
wasn't gonna ride on any of the transportation that we
had and sit beside you and not talk to you
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and joke and and again. People have their ideas of
who these guys are and what they might be.
Speaker 9 (23:53):
Like, and and and I and again I even had
that And it was so amazing to.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
To have to to see guys that had played at
such a high level be so genuinely kind to players
they didn't know, sure players they played against the public kids.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
I mean, it was it was unbelievable to me.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
I was I was kind of like starstruck in my
own right because I just couldn't imagine, like, I don't
know what I thought they would be you know, but
I have seen that before at the high level guys
that are high level, I've seen guys do that, and
I was like, guys, man, I'm just curious about how
they're going to address it.
Speaker 7 (24:42):
And it was so far on the other end of
it that I was amazed.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
So the football camp part of it, now, how did
that work? Did they have like just area youth come
to that, and and did all the participants in the autograph?
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Did you participate in that as well?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yes, we had a couple a couple of guys played golf.
Some of the guys played golf, some of the guys
did the camp. So some of the some of the younger,
more mobile guys worked the camp, and some of the
other guys who have.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
A little bit of what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Not young, just mobile, so I should say young and mobile. Okay, okay, okay,
So you could if you were one of those, then
you you work the camp and and we we just
kind of broke it out into different sections. It's about
eighty kids or so. Yeah, and every every one of
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the players that were there had an opportunity to kind
of speak to the kids, talk to them about life
and sports and all that kind of stuff, whatever they
whatever they wanted, and I thought that was something that
was that was really really kind of kind of special.
So and I'll give this. The gentleman who puts this
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on his name is Buddy Becker. He's the guy that
contacts everybody, pays everybody gets.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
Their flights, hotel meals, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
You can't like, like, I don't know anybody who does
that kind of stuff, you know, But he, he and
another gentleman named Kevin, they have started kind of working
together doing these kinds of things. And these and the
areas that we go to are a ways from the
cities and you know, the Twin Cities, so they're not
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like right down in the cities. We're out and about
in smaller communities. Yeah, and I think that I think
that's what's really really important about it, is that we
get to those communities who.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
Typically don't see players.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yeah, you know, and then it's so cool to watch
these young kids who you know, don't know, don't know,
you don't know anybody.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
There, and just the way they just small when you sign.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
And I mean, so it's really before yes, yes, for sure, Yeah,
I'm probably I'm.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
Probably me and me and Jim are probably well Scott
Studwell was there who was a linebacker for it?
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Do you play against Jim?
Speaker 6 (27:18):
Yes, okay, I couldn't remember if that was the same
time period.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Unfortunately, Yes, somebody asked me. I think I think Dave
asked me on the show before if I if I
had picked them, and I'm like, I don't know. I'm
gonna have to go back and look at that because
if I, if I did, I want to make sure
he knows that the next time.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
We hook up.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
You need you need to do some research.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
I need to do a little bit of research.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
But I know this. We you know the Bears huge season.
I don't remember which what season that was, was like
eight eighty nine or so or late eighties, late eighties.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I don't think that I would have picked them that
season because I think they were perfect in every category possible.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
So they were still they're still memorable, and you still
remember that run.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I'll make the case to this to this day, I
think that's probably the best defense and possibly the best team.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
That the league has ever seen.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Oh no, I'm gonna let me say really I'm going there,
but let me just say this.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
To the New England Patriots during their era. The let's
think about the recent Kansas City chief.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I get it, I get it. Now, here's what I'm
going to tell you. Okay, why, here's why I say that. Wow,
let's hear the why. The physicality of what the Bears
were then versus what it is today.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
But the rules were different, The rules were different.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
And I'm just saying, if you, if you play the
Bears in the Bears era, they they don't have no
problem putting putting my homes on his back and sending
him to the where he's can't come back. They don't
have no problem with that. You you, that's a bold statement.
I know, I know, but and you're staying on your
(29:18):
business because I just don't know if there was, if
there's ever going to be a more physical team.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
And then again, their offense was even.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Physical, Like yeah, they know they were.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
You're right, and so you.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
The great quarterbacks today are mobile and all those kinds
of things.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
Sure, but the defensive.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Lineman, the linebackers you're talking about, Singletary, you're talking about,
like you, that whole defensive line, that whole defensive secondary,
like it was an.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Amazing fans still talk about it.
Speaker 7 (29:55):
Yeah, it would have been early in your career.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
It was actually nineteen eighty five and one Super twenty.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Yes, okay, okay, the Men eighties, Yeah, we were close.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah, eighties, eighties, And I'm telling you, I don't think
to this day when I think about a team, like
you know, there was some really good teams back then, sure,
but there was nothing.
Speaker 7 (30:19):
Like that Bears team. There was nothing to me that
Bears team was.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
So how old is McMahon now, I think he's I
think he's I mean, I can you.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Look that up because I think I think he's older,
just a little bit older than me.
Speaker 7 (30:35):
I think he might be just a little bit older
than that.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Because you yeah, that would make sense because you had
to been really early in your career eighty five, right.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
Yeah, because I came in I got drafted in eighty three.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
Yeah, so you were, so I was just getting it
just past your rookie year sixty five.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Now he's sixty five. Yeah, okay, yeah, so he was
one year ahead of me.
Speaker 7 (30:55):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
So and again, like I said, man, you know, getting
a chance to kind of like hang out be around
him was was interesting because again he had like he's
just so much fun, like he's he's never serious.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
We need to get him on this show.
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We can we get we we got a shot at
it because I got access to him. So yeah, so
if we can get him and we can get Dante,
yeah yeah, you know, we would be doing good.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
We'd have Uh.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Now, I'm not even gonna go there. We're gonna take
a quick break and we'll be back.
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Speaker 3 (33:04):
So I had to take a quick break for us.
That's something that I probably didn't want to.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Say, and I wish you would have. It wasn't horrible.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
We were just talking about the beauty of podcasts would
take care of things like that. So Carl, I know
some conversations we've had in our text threads with Hollis,
and we miss Hollis because I know he would have
had a lot to say about this subject.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
But some of.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
The things that we were talking about is training camps
and how for some players it is something that they
either they don't enjoy, or they don't complete, or they
get really frustrated with, or.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Some don't even show up.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
So you know, those things tell us a little bit
about your experiences with training camps and what you see today.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I missed two days two days of training camp because
of my contract, of all of the contracts that I signed,
which is.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
One of the major reasons.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Why a lot of players it has got it has
become something that.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
You can use to get out of.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
It, get out of training camp. But back then, you
really didn't want to not go to camp unless you
were truly comfortable with being at a position that.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
You knew that you were going to be.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Like Aaron quarterback.
Speaker 7 (34:26):
Yes, if if if.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
You're unsure of where you're you know whether or not
you're going to start, you're coming to training camp. I
don't care what the contract issue is because you've got
to show up, you know. And but I think now,
I think when you look at what is.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
It six weeks it was technically it was.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
I always thought it was four. It was four weeks for.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
Us extended it. But if if well, that may be true.
But if they have extended it, I'm sure that it
is not at the same level level of what it
was in four weeks. Yeah, because you're talking about again
this type of heat. If you know, if this type
of heat is out there, you're still practicing and you're
(35:12):
still going full gear.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
And now do you get a break?
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yeah, you get a couple more breaks, but still in
this kind of heat and training camp is is the
deciding factor of whether or not you're going to play?
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Yeah, is it once or twice a day?
Speaker 3 (35:30):
It's twice a day you'll do We did. We did
two weeks of two a days back in the day,
and then we go to one day, one a day
as we got closer to the end. And those too
A days, I mean, they were they were, they were tough.
But at that point when you come out of the
(35:52):
two to day's sessions, you're probably either somewhat close to kind.
Speaker 7 (35:57):
Of figuring out.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
The coaches are pretty much trying to figure out who's
going to be playing and who's going to be starting,
who's going to be here, who's going to be there,
and it's starting to kind of pan out to them
at that point now. And I say that because if
you're going to a camp, training camp, camp period, high school, college,
(36:24):
it's really important to show everything that you got as
quick as you possibly can, because you know, if you're
looking to get you know, there's guys that are starters,
who have acculades, who've started for five years, ten years, whatever,
you know, and you're trying to get it on the
(36:44):
field right. You're getting on the field basically because of
training camp, because once training camp's over, unless that guy
is they want, they know who they want. And the
guys who are playing, unless they're really playing bad or
they're just not helping the team, or you're close to
(37:07):
that player's talent, you're gonna likely to get some some snaps,
which is my situation. To get to play was the
opportunity a guy got hurt and decided not to take
a shot, and Bud Grant gave me, gave me the start,
(37:29):
and I think I've said this before, and I get
a game winning interception against Detroit and that was the
beginning of my career. And that was that was in
my third year. That was the beginning of my career
of finding success in the NFL. My rookie season, I
got an opportunity to play and I moved positions the
(37:53):
second year back to safety. So and I didn't start
in the beginning of the season there either, but I
quickly he moved back because safety was a different position.
I thought I was a safety because that's what I
was in college in high school. And I was like thinking, like, Okay,
I'm gonna I'm gonna let me go back to what.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
I started to know. Yeah, and I went back.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
And it was a little different.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
The guys who were breaking through the line of scrimmage
did not look like what they looked like when I
was at Marshall.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
Don't let me get yeah, I had a.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
They were not small and I we talked about Jim McMahon,
I'll talk and maybe I've told this story before, but
Walter Payton actually broke through the line of scrimmage and
I'm at safety and never in my childhood.
Speaker 7 (38:52):
Of all the dreaming of playing in the league.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
That's not the scenario that I ever ever kay on
my mind, and I will never forget it. So I'm looking,
I'm looking, and it just it just blows open, right,
and I'm like, okay, one thing, I for sure he
is not gonna change his direction for me, so you know,
(39:17):
like there's no reason for him to think like he's
gonna shake and bake and and go.
Speaker 7 (39:22):
Around me or anything.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
This was his opportunity to say, Okay, I am Walter Payton,
welcome to the league.
Speaker 7 (39:30):
And I'm like thinking, okay. So I'm looking at.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Him, and I'm like thinking, okay, he's not gonna come
off course, so I can just go ahead and just
run right at him and we'll just see what's happening. Lisa,
Like I'm on my way there, and I'm and again
I'm thinking maybe Marshall.
Speaker 7 (39:49):
I'm thinking maybe high school.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Like, hey, I'm gonna make this play. I do make
the tackle, but when I make contact with him, it's like.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
I hit I hit him, and it was like hitting
a wall.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
So my whole body, my whole body just stopped and
I'm like, Okay, what's happening here?
Speaker 7 (40:15):
Like you know what's right.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
No, he's not going down and he's continuing to move forward.
Speaker 7 (40:21):
Now I can feel myself on my heels, and.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
I'm thinking, okay, I am getting ready to go fall over.
Speaker 7 (40:30):
I am not anymore.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
He hits me, and the only way he falls is
because I'm falling down. I'm falling backwards and he's trying
to run through me, and he trips over me and
falls And I realized, then, okay, you know there's there's
there is a time when you say, okay, I'm in
the NFL. Yes, that was a time that I realized that, okay,
(40:59):
this is this is this is different. Can I coach?
Can I play corner?
Speaker 5 (41:07):
I just had this great idea. I really I think
I should probably say no question.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
I think I am a better corner than a safety.
Speaker 7 (41:17):
Well, you mean to tell me you would have rather
been lined up against Terry Rice twice? I would take
Jerry Rice.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
I would take any receiver in the league instead of
that tackle with Peyton. I'd almost be willing to set
the corner on the gold line with a guard coming
to blow me up.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
He's saying he ate some humble pip. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (41:47):
Well, running running backs were built different. I mean they
were bigger than.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
And their mindset with the mindset was different, you know,
and you had the big safeties you had easily you
had like there was all these Ronnie Lott you had
all these huge safeties that would just knock your head off.
Speaker 7 (42:08):
And corners were little physical. We was kind of physical.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
But we were playing man and man and and that
was the kind of the that was.
Speaker 7 (42:15):
You know.
Speaker 11 (42:16):
So we were chasing receivers and hitting receivers and then
unfortunately for me, for whatever whatever call we had on
the defensive side, it was not the right calling.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
I have to go back and look at these tapes.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Oh look, I'm just telling you they it's the game
was just different, you know. It was it was and
I don't mean this in a bad way, like there's
not men there now, but back then it was it
was men really wanting to dominate other men. And and
the Bears, that Bears team was so full of it.
(42:59):
Like they they they knew what they had, you know,
they had this pressure defense.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
That they had no fear.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
They had no fear, and they were doing everything that
they liked, right, you know. And again a few years
later we end up going to some bumping, we go
when we go, Pete Carroll comes in, we go to
bump and run, and we've got Chris Dowman, Keith Millard,
Henry Thomas, all these guys that could rush the passer. Sure,
(43:28):
all of a sudden, now we're that team, you know.
So it was that it was time where each each
team was building defenses, like you had to have a
defense that had something going, and so quarterbacks feared our
d line and that helped us out on the on
the edges of playing man the man.
Speaker 7 (43:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (43:49):
You know, it's funny how the Pendulums have have swung
from a defensive focus to now it's more of an
offensive focus. Don't you feel like in this day as
absolutely all about the quarterback and the running back and
and what the offense produces.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
I think that's because of the excitement of the fans
who want it's what the fans want. And again, I
don't know where the fans stopped loving the defense, and
I don't know if they stopped and just but they
just decided that.
Speaker 6 (44:19):
Yeah, And I think for a fan that's not truly
understanding the game, they're not going to be as appreciative
of the defensive game.
Speaker 5 (44:26):
As they are the offense, because the offense is you know.
Speaker 6 (44:28):
Exciting to touchdown running, and they don't appreciate, you know,
a defensive type of game.
Speaker 5 (44:35):
As a fan that understands it.
Speaker 7 (44:37):
I think, I think you're spot on. And I think too.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
To to look at a let's say, a corner cover
receiver is not overly exciting.
Speaker 7 (44:51):
You know.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Now you know, if that guy's on your you know,
if that's a guy you're rooting or the team that
you're rooting on, he knocks the ball down, you're like, okay, cool,
second and long. You don't really you're not focused on
that sexy. It's not it's not really sexy. It's just
and again, you go back in those days, so many
people were playing bump and run. The fans liked it
(45:16):
because you're in most cases you're blitzing and you've got
guys coming all over the place. Quarterbacks are getting knocked around. Yeah,
and the and the fans love that kind of stuff.
And now it's just it just is it's a lot,
it's a lot different.
Speaker 6 (45:30):
Well, the quarterbacks are protected more now than right there,
right and right, Lisa, Yeah, they have to be, but
still at during that time period, they didn't have nearly
the protections that they do now, and so they got
hit pretty hard.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Yeah, and and and I make the case to get
a to get a flag on the quarterback, you really
truly have to be late. But anything else, like if
you if you're before the whistle, everything was good all yeah,
and you know, and there was you know, there was
like like the diving on the pal you know, it
(46:06):
is like just a little crack that you can get
your helmet in. You were diving in and that was okay,
but imagine, imagine, And this is this is why I think.
Speaker 6 (46:18):
Probably encouraged even yes, I mean, if it was legal,
your sage probably said, go for it.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
If you could get a guy out of the game,
you know, if you could get a guy out of
the game that's that can beat you, then yeah, more
power to you. Right that now they have to come
up and try to replace that player. So it and
I think the further back you go, I think the
more physical the game was. And again to your point
(46:46):
about rules and regulations that you can't do this, you
can't do that, I think that has.
Speaker 7 (46:54):
Changed the way the game.
Speaker 5 (46:55):
Looks, and it needed to.
Speaker 6 (47:00):
I think we've kind of gone overboard with it, maybe
a little further than we needed to, but definitely some
changes needed to happen.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
And I hate, I hate to say this, but like
I just think, like the guys in the secondary, yeah,
just don't not everybody, not all of them, but there's
a lot who just they don't tackle like you know,
they don't do the they don't have the physicality in
their mindset. They knocked the ball, they knocked the ball down.
(47:28):
They don't necessarily want to make the tackle. If it's
a running back coming at you, they don't necessarily want
to make that or they don't look like they want
to make it.
Speaker 8 (47:36):
Do you think maybe the leagues maybe build a little
bit more around speed you've got, I mean like running
backs that are also potentially a receiver, like I think
about like Christian McCaffrey, or you've got like Travis Kelcey
the tight end spot.
Speaker 7 (47:50):
I mean he's really just a giant receiver receiver.
Speaker 8 (47:53):
Yeah, you get all these people out of the box
and running down the fields. So for one, that's going
to give you more of that protection you look at
on the quarterback, But it's just everybody running everywhere and
you never know where the ball is going to go.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
When you talk about Kelsey, like the crazy thing about
that there were a few tight ends. We actually had
one Steve Jordan, who was so athletic that no linebacker
could really cover him. And and then the other problem
is they're too big for me, you know what I'm saying.
So those kind of guys now are amazing because you
(48:28):
you can't find anybody that can cover him. You can't
put a corner on them because they're too big. They're
bigger there mighty. I mean, they might as well be
an offensive tackle.
Speaker 8 (48:38):
Well, who wants to tackle the guy that's six foot
seven and pounds.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
No, I mean unless you're alignment. Unless you're alignment, you know,
you might be okay with that. But he's down the field,
he's not going to be nowhere near you to have contact.
And then be him knowing you're that size and who
and knowing that no one wants to hitch he's looking
(49:02):
for a Yeah he's got he's trying to make a highlight. Yes,
I'm trying to stay out of the highlight, and he's
trying to make.
Speaker 5 (49:11):
Trying to make one.
Speaker 7 (49:12):
Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
It's interesting just to see the size of guys playing
and and now playing a position. You know, you got
him at running back, you got you know, you got
a good average size of probably six two six three
probably at wide receiver now with amazing speed and now
(49:36):
you're talking about a six six sixty seven tight end speed.
Speaker 6 (49:40):
That's just that's just the way it is every position
now pretty much in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (49:44):
That's a fact speed.
Speaker 7 (49:46):
Do you think their agilities may be better than what
it was? Absolutely? I think in this day and time.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
If if there's anything that the league has, anything that
the players have and a true advantage on is there
everybody the whole group is way more athletic, a whole
lot faster and and I think that in the game
now you're looking at that on offense and defense all
(50:13):
at the same time, you know, and the game is
just faster now, it's just more athletic.
Speaker 6 (50:19):
And you've got to attribute that just the science of football.
I mean, they've learned so much about you know, physical
training and preparation and bodybuilding and all the things that
are required to get to that athletic, you know level,
and they have it now.
Speaker 5 (50:33):
They have all that.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Well you look at you look at quarterbacks. That quote
used to scramble. You look at those quarterbacks, okay, and
they were they were magical. They were like, oh my gosh,
did you see stallback?
Speaker 7 (50:45):
You know?
Speaker 5 (50:46):
But now that's common.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
It's yeah, and and and some of these guys are
amazingly athletic and making people miss. And you're thinking, that's
a quarterback. That's not a running back.
Speaker 7 (51:01):
You know.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
You know, when did a quarterback get to like to
be like a Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 7 (51:07):
Like, how's that pass?
Speaker 5 (51:09):
How the game's evolved?
Speaker 3 (51:09):
Yeah, but that is truly how the game has evolved.
And it's and it's to me, I think it's just
gonna keep going.
Speaker 7 (51:16):
Yeah, you know, so we say anything else.
Speaker 5 (51:21):
I think that's it.
Speaker 6 (51:22):
We somehow jumped from training camps. But that's okay. We
made a good comeback with our subject at the end.
Speaker 5 (51:27):
So we're good. We're good.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
All right, ladies and gentlemen. We appreciate the time, and
we will be back again.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
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