Carl Lee, Lisa Otey and Hollis Lewis kick off with Jay Jordan’s third annual YWCA-benefit “Freedom Ride” on Juneteenth—motorcycles, Sling-shots and community support for kids—then unpack the landmark House v. NCAA settlement that brings a $20 million athlete salary cap and a new NIL oversight commission. Next, they break down Aaron Rodgers’ one-year, incentive-laden Steelers contract and what it says about Pittsburgh’s strategy, before closing on the bizarre tale of a high-school state track champ stripped of her title after celebrating with a fire-hose.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
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Speaker 3 (00:51):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen. This is Carl Lee with Let's Talk.
And I have my two co hosts in the building,
Lisa Odie and Hollis Lewis. And I don't know if
I'm going to say this is fortunate or unfortunate, but
we do have another person that's miped up and ready
to go. This is like, uh, this is like a
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guy that I have known for gosh for a long
long time. And I'll even I hate to do this,
but I'm gonna have to give him some credit. This
is the guy who would get up at six in
the morning, five in the morning and run with me
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all off season of football and with with for no
reason other than to help me out. And he has
become part of our family. He does we do Christmas,
we do Thanksgiving, he does all of that. He's at
our house with my mom's house, and there's that expectation
of him being there. Now that doesn't necessarily mean I
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really like him that much. My goodness that that's how
all that has happened. So I like to introduce everybody,
Jay Jordan's and and everybody. There's a whole lot of
people who know him for a whole lot of reasons. Good,
good and but you have you're doing some things sponsored
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by the water company and doing some good things. Tell
us a little bit, tell tell the listeners about some
of the things that you're doing.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Okay, thank you Carl and Lisa and Hollis. Appreciate you
all letting me on for a little bit.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I have a ride that our sponsor. It'll be three
years now, this be my third year going in and
the first thing I did. When I first wanted to
do this was to give back to the community, and
I wanted to find out a good way of how
to do that and where what would be the best
way that I could reach out to the community and
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who would who would need it the most. So I
went and I approached a guy named Bradley Harris, which
was over external affairs and water company, and told him
my idea of what I wanted to do. He come
up and got with me, did a tremendous job finding
out agencies and all that, threw them out there at
me and say which one do you prefer.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
One that was kind of close and dear to me
was y w c A.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
They do a lot of things for the kids. They
got a new center down there on Elizabeth Street where
kids could come in and they could do homework. They
have computers there for kids that don't have computers at
home and all that, and they also.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Get women.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Like they come in and they could get set up
for interviewing and getting started into the work field.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
So they do that part of it.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
And I know when I was growing up, we use
the agency. So my deal, my dream was, let me
when I get an opportunity in a chain. Let me
go back and give back to the community. So I
chose why WCA. They came over the water company and
listened to my presentation. They jumped on it. So they
come in. They sponsored. We have breathfis and stuff like
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that in shirts. So what I do is a preregistration
type deal with is like twenty five dollars for the rider,
ten dollars if you got a if you have an
extra rider with you, but it's twenty.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Five dollars per rider. We'll ride to like State Park.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
These are motorcycles, motorcycles, sling shots. Anything with you go
with a scooter, I'll let you, but mostly it's motorcycles.
And like I said, I did have sling shots. We
was in a parade down there. I do it on
June teenth. I picked that day because I felt that
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it wasn't nobody really getting a lot of tension on
June teenth, so I wanted to go under that June
teens and I called it. Me and Bradley Harres got
together and we came up with a name for Freedom Ride,
which is the June Team. So the first year we
went out and it turned out really well. I had
people that came and supported me from the Water Company
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and other groups, Buffalo Soldiers.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
They are out.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
They do my safety part of it. They adamant riders,
they all over the place. So that makes me feel
a lot comfortable with my right. The other people that
don't ride as much, so that I got them there
and they they do the safety part of the ride,
so they're there for safety part, watched the traffic and
all that. What I do is we usually like we
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went to Hawk's Nest and we come back and I
do pictures and I take pictures of the riders and
some of where we go to. This year, we're going
to Somersville and we're going to do what they call
the swings. I think this is something like a Landmark
type deal now in West Virginia all over where you
go out and you have a big nice view of
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the background. And we're gonna go up to Summersville and
take a picture of that swing set and then we're
gonna ride down. We do breakfics in the morning. We'll
start at nine o'clock and that will be the registration
of preregistration nine and nine thirty and then nine thirty
to ten thirty. We got people that supported that sponsored
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me for Breapics, Chick fil A and all those people.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
So we have Chick fil A, they're sponsoring Breapics.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
We'll do that for nine thirty, ten thirty, then kickstands
for up like ten forty five. This year I added
in cookout down at Shawnee for the riders, so after
the ride they could go down to Shawnee be under
shelter too, probably see us out there, have people down there,
and we'll do that part. And I'll just have Hamburger
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hot off for in some like cokes and pops and
stuff like that for the riders, just sit around, talk
a little bit, you know, how.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
To ride with and all that good stuff. Let me
ask this question, if someone was interested in being a sponsor,
who do they contact? What's the information in order for
them to be able to be a part of it.
If anybody who's a listener they want to get they
want to be part of it, who do they contact?
I'm assuming that you, But what's the contact information and
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where can they find it?
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Okay, they could go under uh, they could get in
touch with myself and that number I could leave a
card here to be three or four, five, five, two
eight one seven one, we're gonna work number. They could
reach out to me or I do have a flyer
here and they could go under that and they could
do all the donations and all that signing up and
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all that if they like to. But any type of
information they would like to have on this ride, they
could reach out to me or share a wade.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I would have to share a wade at amwater dot com.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
They can email her at that and that way you
could get information for how they do donation.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
So they can get to the water company. They can
contact the water company and get information and or direct
information or access to you or yes, okay, want information,
so let me ask you this. So as far as
the like, if you want to make a donation or
you want to ride to ride, it costs you. I
think you said twenty five dollars? Is at it correct?
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And now what specifically does those funds go to.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Those funds will actually go right to YWCA and nothing
comes to me and everything goes to YWC help funding
those events I've talked about about the kids on the
computers and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
They have a library and all.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
That funding to go in there to help them keep
up their center down there.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Gotcha.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
So, Jay, how many riders are you expecting this year?
Speaker 4 (08:48):
We have somewhere like fifteen to twenty riders sometimes all
my goal is the fifty. I don't know if I yeah, yeah,
but I like to do for the starts, right, I
like to get donations and funding for them as much
as almost like five thousand.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I haven't reached that, but I'm working on it.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
You know, and with it, you know, God's help and
everyone that wants to participate and maybe get there time.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
And if there is there a limit, is there a
limit on the number of riders? So if you have
like a club who wants to come in, who already
has like a motorcycle club, they just want to come
in and register and ride along. So there's no limit
or anything limit at all. Everything's wide open because I see
those big like this is becoming really popular at least
maybe I'm just being cognizant of it. Like I'll see
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these big like Memorial Day riders. Yeah, you'll have these.
It'll be like a half a mile long of riders
riding through for different causes, different like that. So I
think you can probably get past fifty. We just got
to get the word out.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
That's right, that's right, and everything helps, and I appreciate
you all forgiving me the time to actually come on
here and get get the word out. I think that's
what some of the things happens here. We don't get
the word out the peach. Sure we have a lot
of good events and you know, for good causes, but
some people don't hear.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Sure, and we know what the weather's been like lately. Jay,
So do you have like a rain date and case
the weather's are not great?
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I do have a rain date. So far, we've been
blessed for good weather every year. I had it little
sun side shining. We had a good time for pictures
and all that. The first year we had that parade,
Junting parade, which they do it on the weekday. I
wish they would put it back on a Saturday. The
first year I think we did on Saturday, maybe a Monday.
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But what happened was, uh, the kids. You have the
chance for the kids to get out there and they
love to see them sling shots and oh yeah, I
got one guy got.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Like forty speakers on the sling shot.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Him and he's an almost every ride or something like that.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, and then I got another one. So yeah, that ride.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
So I take clean shots anything, you know, sure, just
to have a good time.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
What about more paths? Can we can we do more?
The little electric bikes election? Hey Jay, what I'm what
I want you to do is contact Donna and Legends building.
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Legends will make a donation to you as well. All right,
So just contact her and she'll give you a talk.
Maybe two dollars or so something. Don't spend you put
that right? You got anything anything else to say? Anything else?
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You know, I appreciate the time you all. Thanks a lot,
you have a great Give the give the contact information
one more time. Okay, it's the contact information.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
You could reach out to me at L E A
R L dot Jordan at am dot amwater dot com
at also Sharah dot Wade at amwater dot com and
my phone numbers three oh four, five, five, two eight,
one seven one.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
And they can find you on social media as well,
right if they look you up, Yes j Jordan, Yes
the Jjordan on face send a message and they can
probably find you that way.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Also on my Facebook, I have the flyer out where
they can get the q R card.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Let me show I'm share the fly.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Now it's awesome, and they could go right into that
QR code and it take you right there to the
event and you can.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Sign up and do whatever you need to do. Perfect Yep,
all right, And I think, if I'm not mistaken, Hollins
Lewis is gonna take us somewhere with the n c
a A. I do believe, all right. So there was
a recent h Well settlement. There's a recent judicial order.
A settlement of a case is House v. N C
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double A, and that's House that actually stands for a person,
not like House of Delegates or House are representative. And
basically what it is, it's two parts. So there was
a two point something billion settlement which is going to
go to compensating athletes. Will talk about that last, but basically,
the big part of it is that it's going to
allow schools to pay athletes. And that's all athletes, not
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just football and basketball players. So basically what it is
is that each school would have about a twenty million
dollar salary cap budget which they could use to allocate
to pay athletes in their athletics department. In addition, so
the third thing it does, it sets up an NCAA Commission.
It's going to be head by former MLB executive and
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basically they would be responsible for, you know, navigating any infractions,
trying to set rules in different things of that nature.
So you know, I think, you know, this is going
to be a good thing. I think number one, it
is the revenue sharing model that we've discussed previously that
I'm an advocate for, and I think, you know, not immediately,
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but what it will do in my mind going down
the road, it's going to sort of curve the wild
wild West that Nio was right because the bulk of
the money, I ain't gonna say the bull of the money,
but the money is going to be coming directly from
the schools, So the schools would be able to set
the standards, set the salary caps, say hey you're gonna
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get paid this, make you sign a contract possibly that
you got to be here for X amount of years,
and different things of that nature. Now, what's going to
be sort of difficult to navigate is that within that
commission's power, not only are they going to have enforcement power.
So if you got you know, some some issues, something
you're violating some rules, they would be the enforcing mechanisms,
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but it's going to be a little thing which I
believe is going to really have to be worked out
in that now they'll be able to event value wait
those outside NIL deals because the athletes, while they're getting
paid directly from the school, they can still get like
the sponsorships and different things of that nature. So what
this commission will be tasked to do, in part will
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be to say, hey, it is what you're doing, Okay?
Is this sponsorship good? Is are you? Are you getting
paid too much? Getting paid too little? Different things over
that day. So I think that's where it's gonna be
a little fickled at. So that's kind of it in
a nutshell without going too much legal ease. Okay, my first,
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my first like, I like it, okay, but the NIL
piece is my is my issue because let's say the
three of us we're on the same team, we're all
getting twenty dollars, okay, because we're top players and we're
getting twenty dollars. My question. Then then I turn out
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and I get an IL deal from not necessarily quote
a sponsor, but let's just say, you know, somebody who's
got a ton of money who is gonna get me,
you know, a thousand dollars for every game. You know,
I still see the separation and I see all that
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for the for the NIL player, this is just extra
money being paid through the system. Well, I think, and
I think that's definitely a concern. But I'm I'm and
this is just me, Like, this is just my conjecture.
This is just me, you know, forecasting. What I think
is gonna happen is that Number one, they're gonna this
commission is gonna set guidelines and rules this state that hey, okay,
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you're not gonna be able to go to this NIL
collective and just get a check. You're actually gonna have
to do something in regards of like some sort of sponsorship.
There's gonna have to be some some sort of fair exchange.
So you're like, if you're going to go to you know,
Gatorade and they're gonna you know, you're gonna be a commercials,
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then okay, you're sponsoring. And if you're gonna deal with
this NIL, this person giving you this money, there is
something that you're gonna have to do, whether that's posting
them on your social media, You're not just I don't
think And again, let me just say this before I
go on the current NIL deals in place. This this
ruling is not retroactive, so it won't affect any ones'
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current you know, n I l's has already been signed
and happened. But what I think moving forward is that
number one, the money is going to go from the school,
and I think, excuse me, come from the school. The
schools may be able to pull more from that from
the n I L collective under some if they need
it or whatever. And then far as sponsorships is concerned,
you're actually gonna have to be in you know, a sponsorship.
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You're gonna actually be a marketing tool for whoever's giving
you that extra money. That's just my conjecture.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Yeah, and I think too, and you're probably right, hollispect.
I think this is a way to control like the
Cooper flags of the athletic college athletic world, because you know,
this guy's making millions of dollars at Duke on these
you know, supersized NIL deals outside of what he's doing
at Duke with the school. So I think that this,
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I think this clearing house is what they're calling it
something like that. Basically what they're going to do from
what I've read is review these agreements and make sure
they're fair market value, that they're not being overpaid for
what they're doing. I think the question for me is,
and I think this will come out later on after
this is implemented, you know how much power is this
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clearing house going to have? And the second question is
it legal?
Speaker 3 (18:43):
And that's my part because I don't because you can't
necessarily determine fair market value because your your market value
is what somebody's willing to pay, right, So if somebody's
willing to give you a thousand and give you a hundred,
that's my fair market value. Right. I think what they're
from what I understand, what they're gonna determine is the range.
So they're not necessarily determining what you're worth on the
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fair market value. They're they're gonna be tasked to tell
me determined like how much, like like what's the range
that we can allow you to get paid, Which to me,
that's where you're gonna see massive lawsuits because if you
tell me what's going to happen. But but I think
if they just leave it like that, then yes, but
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what I think is going to happen, and if they're smart.
What they're gonna say is that, hey, you could get
paid that one point five million or that two million,
but what are you doing for that? You actually have
to we can't allow you just to accept money, and
then you're just not doing anything like what's been happening
in the past other than just paying, because you're already
getting paid from the school. So I think they're gonna
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determine the parameters in which what is allowable far as
marketing is kept, I think.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
I think it is. But it's also I think there's
gonna be a lot of legal concern in the future
with with athletes challenging it.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
For sure. Well see, and here's the here's the thing
that and and I and please correct me if I'm
wrong when I say this, because this is what's running
around in my head. So the NIL money, let's assume
I'm assuming that. Okay, So I'm going to get one
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thousand dollars for whatever amount of time, But that's not
coming from NIL. That's coming from the school, from the
school out of the million. And so I kind of
want to keep my NIL deal and they want to
give me twenty million.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
And that's when the clearing house comes into play.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Right, and that's when they would come in yeah, yeh yeah,
and then and and because then again you could get
fifteen fifteen million, and then who's the who's judging of
what's the fair market value? Like who's Well, they're not
judging fair market value. They they play a little you know,
language jiu jitsu. They're not saying that fair market value.
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They're saying range of range of payment. They're doing like
a like a range. So in essence, they're sort of
trying to judge fair market value without saying that, because
you cannot judge fair market value. Well, and and here's
here's what I think is the problem with what they're
what they're attempting to do. Because let's okay, let's go
to the NFL. Okay, so let's say you playing on
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the right corner. I'm playing left corner. I go in,
I get I change, I go in. We're pretty close
to the same ability and all that kind of stuff, right,
same kind of honors and all that. I go in,
I sign a contract for for one hundred dollars. You
come in, and then you and then you sign for
three hundred. Now I got a problem, you know what
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I'm saying, Like i'm now or or say the negotiation
we haven't actually signed there are they're promising me a hundred.
They're gonna promise you three hundred, and I'm thinking, well, hunk, no, no,
I'm not taking that hundred. I need four because I
think I'm better than him. Like, are we not opening
that window? I think you are. But I think again,
if it was kind, you're right. But I think if
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the schools are are smart, and if the conferences are smart,
they'll sort of set their own guidelines, so they'll say
this is the vaute. It's just like in the NFL. Right,
to use that example. In the NFL, you got like
a number you can pretty much essentially pay per player
on the roster, and you have the rookie salary cap, right, yeah,
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and then after that rookie salary cap, then you can
renegotiate and that's kind of when the contracts can get
absorbent or whatever like that. So I think if the conferences,
if the school is smart, they're gonna say, hey, this
is the freshman to sowborn do whatever cap and then
after that you're probably gonna have incentives, and then once
that contract is up, you're gonna be able to negotiate
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because what I think is gonna happen. I mean, because
I think this could really quell the noise that the
transfer portal was created. Because again, if I'm paying you
directly from the school, oh yeah, you signing this two
year deal, right.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Which could exclude outside agencies. If it's part of the contract,
they could they could exclude outside agencies from coming in
and paying them even more.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
And that's the point, and that's the perfect because now
the schools are going to have way more control if
the first dollar is coming from the school. Because what
from what I understand is just some of the things
I've been hearing the nil collectives quote unquote now are
going to turn into marketing agencies. So these n I
l uh nil collectives, instead of just paying players arbitrarily,
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they're actually going to be able to transform into finding
you know, sponsorships and deals for players, so you know,
we can find this line and this thing the sponsor,
this quarterback, this thing the sponsor, and they're actually going
to be sort of stream in the deals as opposed
to just giving out the money. So I think again
this is the beginning of it. And let's say this.
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Let me say this, this should have happened twenty five
years ago, said that. It's just I mean, whoever, the
NCAA has just been the worst organization ever, and it
took all this for this to happen. And now the
challenge is going to be the major challenges because to
your point, you've had the wild wild West for the
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last two three years, and now that money's going to
be shrinking, that the money that they was getting, it
ain't gonna be there no more. And I think the
perfect example is just like what rookie contracts in the
NFL were twenty years ago, when they was paying the
first round draft pick one hundreds of millions of dollars,
and then they figured out all you had, all these
guys who didn't make it two or three years in
the league. They say, we ain't doing that no more.
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We got to spell this thing back. So I think
that's the example of what's about to happen here.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Well, and can I play Devil's advocate for a minute, yere,
So we're saying there's a salary cap now basically it's
twenty point five million, right, Well, that's going to do
for in my opinion, it's gonna be good for some schools,
it's it's going to be not so good for others,
and then for some it's not gonna matter anyway. Okay,
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So for example, your Alabama's, your Ohio States, your Notre Dames,
they've been playing with way more money than twenty point
five million dollars. So for them, that's gonna kind of
be a step, you know, a downgrade right for your WVUS,
for your mid tier teams that are playing with that
sort of money right now, that's pretty much where they
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are in the twenty twenty ish million kind of for them,
it's going to kind of level the playing field, right
because now now they can kind of like rein in
the NIL deals, you sign a contract with us all
of that. Let's just face it. The teams like Marshall
and the Sun Belt, it doesn't matter because they don't
have that kind of money to play with anyway, and
it never did. So for me, it's kind of bringing
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down and I just wonder what their thoughts are on that.
You know that those high level teams that are year in,
year out in the National Championship, the Georgia's, all of
those SEC teams that you know, have lots of money
to play with, wonder what that does for them?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Okay, And to that point, just to counter what I
would say is that this is going to be great
for college sports, because what I think is happening is.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
That, well, I think it's good too.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
What and if all the schools, all the coaches, all
the commissioners, all the eighties, what I think they all
can agree on is that nil was not n I
on transperport is not being good for college sports. No, right,
I think, But you're right, and I think they agree.
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So now I think if they can all just get
past their egos, if they can all get past their
egos and say, look, everybody working with the same pot,
at least the upfront pot at the at the upfront level,
then it's gonna come back to recruiting. Then it's gonna
come back to your coach, you seconds, and then it
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can come back to degree. Now to your point, where
I agree is that I think the most challenging part
of this is that if you have a school like
South Carolina Gangcocks, because you have a the stars of
that campus is the women's college basketball team, Yes, and
then you have men's basketball, and then you gotta pay
you gotta pay big Daddy, which is football. How are
you gonna split that pot up that those schools are
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going to be the ones who are going to be
like because Ohio State is just football. Let's face yeah,
you can get a whole twenty this football and they
could work out the rest, right, But teams, but you
got good teams other than football.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Basketball, even that men's men, that's even a little easier.
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Rules already, it's a good thing.
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Where was supposed we're trying to do a fifteen minute
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Speaker 3 (29:41):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are we are back,
and I'm gonna say I'm gonna hang in here on
this conversation just because I'm trying to figure out you know,
we're talking about all this money, and we're talking about
Ohio State, We're talking about all these The teams were
down to we even came down to wv U and
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that conference, and then we kind of skipped through the
Marshall kind of thing. Because my question is, if you
are going to do, if you're going to set a structure,
where does that structure fall when you go to the
Marshall level or when you go to the West Virginia
State levels. Are you are you leaving them out to
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the point of they're going to have to find their
own donors? Yes? And yeah, And and that was that
was my That was my concern because I'm thinking that
I don't I don't really think that that's fair because
I think the twenty million is correct. Me if I'm
wrong we're talking about Power fives, we're talking about the
power I think it's all up to the top, but
(30:51):
I don't, But why can't we create a situation that's
that's that's okay, I'll just use these numbers. It's twenty
at the top tier and five at the bottom tier.
But it's all the same that everybody's getting something. I
kind of I actually like that. I mean, I think
I don't think.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
When you think about a salary cap, I mean it's
basically your money is still coming from your donors, right,
and this is revenue.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah, this is from the conferences, and so this is
a revenue sharing model.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Yeah, but that's just for the like you said, the top.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Teams, because I mean essentially, like if you have a
you know, a Molestay Conference West Virginia State, you see
it seems like they're not generating generating that kind of money, right,
which most they're left out, Yeah, which most even had
like a Power five. If you can take of Alabama,
most of those sports don't generate any revenue. It's football
and basketball it's generating.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Well, let me let me ask you this where where Okay,
So part of the deal was the two point seven
billion dollars settlement for former players.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Normal players going back to twenty sixteen.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Twenty sixteen that have not been able to they didn't
get any benefit from an eye out. Okay, so it's
anybody before twenty sixteen?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Correct?
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Would that be you and Carl as Well?
Speaker 3 (32:05):
No? No, no, it's two twenty sixteen two, So it's
twenty sixteen to two whenever they did the nil, which
is probably four or five years.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
And that's what I was it was it twenty twenty
one or yeah, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I say something like that. Yeah, so we're talking about it.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
They did limit it. And where's the money coming from.
That's revenue sharing as well. That you think it's just
seven billion, I.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Want to say that's from that that's in Cuba.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Yeah, I say wow, yeah, I mean that's a check.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
So that's just two eight billion dollars. So they're going
to compensate, like you think about the Baker Mayfields and
Zion Williams and the Kylin Murray's those guys. Yeah, the
question with money, But some of these guys don't need it,
I'm saying, I mean they don't they don't really need it.
I mean I don't know what the point would be.
(32:56):
It is I get to reach back, but you need
to reach back to the players who maybe didn't get
the opportunity to go to the next level. But it's
not about that. It's the players who performed in college
who would have gotten that check. So I think the
house deal. So so you're the quarterback, I'm the center,
so you got the attention, but hey, I gave you
(33:16):
the ball. I mean he would have. He would have
got something too. But I think what they're trying to
do is they're going to go back analyze your fair market,
your market value during that time, teams you played on,
successful accolades, blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
It's going to be who's going.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
To do that. They got a whole squad that's doing
it now. It's going to be incredibly difficult. I don't
know everything about that. That's that's as well.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
Can you imagine there's formal players coming saying why did
not get this nount? You got that amount. There's going
to be more lawsuits coming out that.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
It depends on your situations, like if somebody if you
if you broke busted and disgusting right now, somebody had
your twenty thousand dollars check. I don't think you're arguing
about it, but time, if you're Baker Mayfield, somebody had
your five hundred thousand dollars check in. It's okay, I'll
take the twenty at least I feel like I got something.
But if you ain't giving me nothing, I got a
problem that. Yeah. So all right, so all right, we're
(34:10):
gonna we're gonna move on. And in case anybody's wondering,
there's a there's a person in the in the studio
with the packer hat on. Okay, which is? Which is?
Which is?
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Really for a few weeks. That really offends me that
she can't address you now.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
He puts that on. Yes, that's gonna be bored for sure.
Aaron Rodgers all right, now, let me just say this.
This is what I this is what I see in
this hole.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
I'm gonna interrupt Hollis. Remember in our text conversation, what
what did he say about Aaron Rodgers He needs to
do what he needs to go sit down?
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Is that not what he said? Yes? Yes, I don't
see him. I don't see him being the quarterback he
used to be. I just don't see him being that guy.
Can he get on the team and lead a team.
Maybe I just don't see him being as work as
(35:20):
worthy as he thinks he is. And I and I
and I think the league itself, Hollis is shaking heads.
No upset.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
I agree with you, But I don't think this is
about Aaron Rodgers. What I think this says. This is
about the Stellers organization, and this is their final straw
with coach Tomlin. And basically what the Stealers are saying
is that we're giving you one more year. We're giving
you the best quarterback that we can find that could
(35:54):
possibly give you one year. Okay, now I'm liking this
that can give you, that can give you one year.
And what we need to see during this one year
is that we need to get some progression in the playoffs.
So we want you to get to the playoffs. We
want you to at least maybe get to a conference championship,
and then after that we'll give you back the range.
Because there's no way in the h double hockey sticks
(36:17):
that you're gonna tell me that this was coach Tomlin's pick.
There's no way I can say that. There's no because
he passed up again, you got your door. You got
all the quarterbacks that he passed the basically passed of everybody.
And again, this wasn't the strongest quarterback class he could
have traded. He could have got the kid from from
New York that went to Minnesota thing which is uh,
(36:40):
I can't think of the same right now, but the
quarterback who was in New York. They could have made
some moves other than this, But this was an organizational move.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Okay, well, I'm gonna say this. I'm going to say this.
The details about his contract have come out in the
past few days, right, and I'm gonna just summarize it
real quick. But honestly, the Steelers got quite the bargain
over overall. Listen, no, listen, listen, because they set it
up so that Aaron Rodgers is really going to have
a tough time earning over his ten million fully guaranteed. Okay,
(37:11):
here were some of the things that they put in
the contract. The first thing is he has to play
at least seventy percent of he has to take at
least seventy percent of the offensive snaps throughout the season,
which what that means you cannot have any detrimental injuries. Right,
you can't have anything go wrong that relates to his physical,
you know, ability and his right to play. Right, So
(37:34):
he's got to do that up front. Okay, if he
can get through that, if he can get seventy percent
of the snaps, then they have set up six different
things he has to do to make an additional five
point eight five million. Now that the ten million is
pretty much that's fully guaranteed, right, which.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Is not that much for a quarterback, not for a quarterback, right.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
Okay, so okay, absolutely absolutely, So here are the six
things he has to do, and they're they're pretty they're
all related. There's ae qu actually. So first he has
to make the playoffs. That's part of it. The second
part is he has to win a divisional round and
then he also has to or he has to make
a divisional round playoff game, and then he has to
win it. Okay, those are those are the first three.
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Then he has to win the AFC. That's number four.
Number five is to take the Steelers to the super Bowl.
And then number six, that would complete the whole you
know shebang, would be for him to win the MVP
Award at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
How much is that worth? So we said each piece is.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
Worth they had it broken down. I didn't write numbers down, Hollis,
I apologize, but each piece is worth a part of
the five point eight five. So she would do all
six things and the seventy.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Per can make fifteen exactly. So that's not that's not bad.
That's that's not bad. That's going to be incentives in
the contract. Yes, okay, so the ten is guaranteed and
you get the llion dollars in the five million in
the centive. Yep. So again, now that's what I'm trying
to tell you. This was an organization move about Thomas.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
That's a great thought, because I didn't think.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
I did not think. That never crossed my mind. But
now hearing you say it in the midst of it,
and even with that contract, because that's just saying to
your point least, that is a great deal for organization
for a quarterback of that level, regardless of whether whatever
age he is now. And basically what that says is
that if we ain't accomplishing this, then Aaron Rodgers you're
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gone that and Thomas you go starting fresh. My question
deal right now, So let me ask you this if
I'm Thomlinson and I and I'm looking at this, I
can see I should be able to see that my
career is based off of his performance. Well, I ain't
gonna say career because he'll get another coach. So yeah,
but I'm saying here in Pittsburgh, it's time to one hundred.
(39:56):
But if he didn't want him, how are you gonna
tie me to somebody? I tell you that the organization
don't want you.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
And we had that conversation early in the season, remember that,
how we feel like he never got them past you know,
the playoffs. You know, he got him to a certain
point and then he would lose and the fans. We
had that whole conversation about teams that are happy just
to make the playoffs and those that continually make the
playoffs and they don't produce, they don't win, they don't
(40:24):
make a super Bowl, and they're at that point in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
And that's my problem because for me, for me, if
I have a coach and you're leading me to the
playoffs every single year, you're giving me a chance to
win a super Bowl. So as long as we continue
to get to the playoffs, then I'm going to continue
to make let you to make the moves that you
need to make. I don't understand is that I'm not
if I'm Pittsburgh, I'm not doing this. I'm not getting
(40:47):
rid of the Thomlins because he's getting me there. Now.
We just got to work on, you know, getting over
the hull. And and I think I think there are
and we we as a as an organization, as the Vike,
we we made that. Our general manager made that same
gamble with her with with with herschel Walker like we
(41:08):
were like we we were this ain't say this ain't
de hersche Walker. Wait, yeah, I get that. But the
idea was he was the guy that you needed. He
was going to be the guy that was gonna take you.
We could afford to lose all these different guys because
he was so good that he could get us there.
(41:32):
What But what what you found out was he really
wasn't that good, nor was he.
Speaker 6 (41:38):
Was he.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Acceptable in the locker room. He just wasn't a guy
that that guy. You know, he wasn't there like hey,
hars He wasn't really the team player he was. He
was just himself. And I and I bring this up
only because when you start trying to rely on a player.
When you try to think that that's the guy, you
(42:01):
make some really really bad decisions. Because I don't care
what anybody says. Football in itself, it's a it's a legitimate,
full team thing. And I think what an organization like
the Stillers, they become so spoiled where they think that
every year you're supposed to be like having this super
Bowl run, And I think what they don't realize they're
(42:23):
in the playoffs every single year. They not too many
organizations I can say that, no organization can really say
that when you talk about the number of playoff runs
that they done had over the years, whether your first
second round, division whatever, conference championship, super Bowls, because your
record record out. But they they don't care. And there's
(42:46):
so many teams that are there for one year, then
gone for ten years, then up and down, up and down,
up and down. Where they've been the model of consistency.
So I just moves like it's to your point where
you because basically sort of juxtaposition the vikings and the
vikings where y'all gave up a bunch of players. You
the Stillers in this move have potentially giving up a
(43:07):
Hall of Fame coach, and I just don't understand why.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
You would do that. I think a lot of the
Steeler nation would agree with you. They're not they're not
happy about this Aaron Rodgers move.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Most of that don't make sense to me.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
I mean, and you can see why.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (43:19):
Things that we've talked about me, A lot of them
are are skeptical, skeptical of his locker room chemistry. You know,
we know what he's capable of doing there, the fact
that it's a one year commitment, that that the fans
are like, you know, we know this is temporary. He's older,
you know, even if he gets us there this year,
this is a this is a temporary fix for a
permanent problem. We need a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
And then you don't even have a backup. You didn't
draft the backup, right that they sort of can come
in like a love for the papers, Right, I was
gonna I was going to I was going to say
that that was gonna be my next thing. Who's who
is going to play? Because you're what you're saying is
you're thinking, you're hoping, you're praying that he can play
all season, playoff the contract. Yeah, we're we're making you
(44:07):
go seventy We're making you go seventy percent. But in
all reality, you want him to play if you because
he can play seventy percent, you still not even make
the play shower for sure. So that's not your goal.
Your goal is trying to get to the bowl, right
and win it. That's my thought. You're trying to get there.
Do you think he's your guy that's gonna get you there.
(44:29):
Apparently they do that because they wrote it in the contract.
Apparently apparently they do. And it's just like to me,
if you take like in it's kind of funny that
I would say that, But like, if you take the
Packers and the Steelers, the Packers have done a great
job of cultivating quarterbacks. You gotta go back from Brett
Fahr to the eighties to now. They've always had a
quarter but still he solid quarterback all you says, right,
(44:56):
And if you take the steal and if you take
the Steelers, they've always had a consistent good team. So
it's to me, why wouldn't it Stillers take that same approach,
draft the young guy. At least if you're gonna bring
Aaron Rodgers there for you, a young guys.
Speaker 5 (45:11):
Somebody. But that was Remember, that was the conversation we had.
Aaron watched the draft before he made a commitment to
Pittsburgh because he won.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
You think he did that for real? No, that was
that was part of what I read.
Speaker 5 (45:23):
No, he said he waited until the draft was sober.
No he didn't. I don't know that for sure, but
I mean that's what social media.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Gotcha, gotcha, Yeah, because because think about it. If you
bring in a quarterback you won, You're gonna pay him
and he's expecting to play. But you ain't starting on
Aaron Rodgers if you wanted it not not in this draft.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
Was afraid.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yeah, but I would take Aaron Rodgers probably over any
of these guys a year. But I'm gonna but I'm
gonna tell you if I'm if I'm a college quarterback
and I'm coming out this year and you're you're considering
Aaron Rodgers, my thing is, okay, it's either me or Aaron.
You don't got that leverage. It's not in the fifth round,
(46:07):
and use your door saying that you ain't got not
if you're in the fifth round. You but if you
like you said, it was none of those quarterbacks to
your point list is none of those guys livers, So
you got something. I was I was still in the
mood of fighting this issue with with Aaron Rodgers. But
(46:30):
we're gonna We're gonna move on. At least I'm gonna
allow you if you want to say anything else about
the packing success your team. And I know he's going
to Pittsburgh, which I think is okay, it's not your team, Okay,
Jay Jordans was is a diehard Pittsburgh fan. Yes, you
(46:52):
know so, but at least if you want to close out,
if you got anything.
Speaker 5 (46:57):
I just wanted to say. One of my best friends,
we actually the girl I was on vacation with last week.
She is a die hard Stealers fan, and so she
was kind of lukewarm. She was just like, you know,
hope for the best and expect the worst, you know
what I mean. That was her attitude. And we're actually
going to the game. She and I are going to
that Sunday night football game in Pittsburgh, So that ought
to be interesting. I'll maybe go live or something, want something.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Fun with it. But I just don't, like I said,
I just don't see Jordan love again. That's success. I
just don't see. Okay, they gonna make a run, all right,
So we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna change topics. Thank
you track athletes, high school track athletes celebrating. Now you
(47:40):
know what you gotta set up? What does she do?
California trying to run a four hundred? What does she do?
I think it's the independent. California has these weird high
school conference or whatever. Yes, but she's a track athlete.
She's a four hundred runner. This is the state meet,
state final. She runs the four hundred, she wins the
four hundred. In her celebration, she takes a fire hose
(48:01):
in fire hoses her shoes, simulating that you know, she
was super hot and everything like that. And their track
high schoo commission whatever they strip her of the title.
So there you go. Okay, So if I if I
win a hundred yard dash and there's some really good
people in the hundred yard dash one hundred meters, actually,
(48:24):
I guess I should probably say it that way. I
want to be able to have, you know, I want
to be a celebrate. I don't I don't know where
and why you can what? You can? Maybe warn me
you could maybe I don't know, do something, but you
can't take you can't. You can't take me from winning.
(48:46):
I want, you know what I'm saying, I want, and
you're gonna come. You gonna because I'm celebrating and you
don't like that celebration, or you're trying to make a
point to nobody's gonna celebrate in our sport to that degree,
well what what was the warning of that degree? But
it's like if you take a prop. You know again,
(49:09):
I think that the High School Commission was right in
being punitive in this because what happens is that if
we allow you to do this, you actually it wasn't
like you just jumping up, jumping around, take a victory lap.
You celebrate with your teammates, that's one thing, but you
had a coordinated prop. And if that's the start, then
where does it end. It's gonna be all these celebrations,
(49:32):
gonna be all this. So we have to take a stand.
Now to your point, that can't strip you of a
track title when you won the title. It ain't like
he was on pds or something like that. You can't
title you want it. If I'm second place, I don't
want it didn't win it in myselver, so what I
think they should have done. She's an underclassman. We're gonna
(49:53):
punish you from doing that, and then we're gonna make
you sit out next year. Are you sitting out them?
First three meets? You said we're gonna do something next
year to punish you for the thing you did this year.
Not again. Work is complicated if you have a senior
So maybe it's a fine. Maybe I don't know what
it is. But they had to do something. Now, whether
that punishment was right or not, but they had.
Speaker 5 (50:14):
To do it.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Yeah, I agree. I'm OK. No, I'm not. I'm not really,
I'm not. I don't really. I'm looking at what we
do in all other sports and but we don't do
that in football. You can't take no foreign object, no
but but you, but you can celebrate.
Speaker 5 (50:36):
Well, let me talking about a myer extinguisher that has
dangerous chemicals on the field around other parts.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
What you're getting. But the point that you're making though,
is is like my you know I'm on fire, my feet.
Speaker 5 (50:52):
Are on fire, gets a safety hazard, Like it's not
that's you just don't do that. Now. I do know
that that was a reference to another track star. Somebody
did that Maurice Screen, I think it's his name, and
so that's what she was. She was mimicking something that
he did during his celebrations after winning. You know, these
these different sprints. But still you're in high school and
(51:15):
you and and dad was her coach or he was,
I'm not sure, brought her the fire extinguisher from what
I understand, so Dad was an accomplice. And according to
what Dad said, at first, everybody was cool with it, like,
oh yay, woo, it's cool, you know, even the even
the officials. And then they backed up and took a
(51:35):
look and looked and said, you know what, we probably
shouldn't be cool with that, and they shouldn't be. They
shouldn't be, but I will, I will put this in
their Hollis and this was a reporter in California. I
looked up the article because when I when I saw
this in the text, I thought a celebration and I
thought what could this be? And then when I got
into it, I was like, oh my gosh, this is awesome.
(51:55):
So good job, kudos to Hollis. We're bringing this on that.
It was what they revealed after twenty years of state
championship research, no other instance of disqualification was ever given
to any type of athlete for unsportsmanlike conduct.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
This was what she was.
Speaker 5 (52:13):
So there is therein lies the problem. She should, like
you said, she should be punished in some fashion, but
not in that fashion. She should not be you know,
they should not take away what she she won.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
And I hate when Leeds do this. I hate when
like NCAA al Reggie Bush did whatever he took money,
We're gonna take wins away. Like what are you talking about,
We're gonna take your heisman away. Stop it. You can't
take some way that that person earns. Because you know
what I'm saying, it's another way to do this. And
who takes outside of it. Who wants to take that
heisman when you know you didn't win it? Yeah, like
(52:49):
you already know, Like I'm not if I'm this athlete,
if I'm like the second place, I'm not taking the gold.
I don't want it. I didn't. I was the runner
up that year, and that's what it was. And the
fact of the matter is that it kind of going
back to dad, Dad, what are you thinking? Why are
you doing this? Bring? Like I said, even football now
I can say, and I want to correct myself. Football,
we do have little props now, like so when you
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go get an interception, you'll get like the championship belt,
we get the gold chain and all that, but we
do that on the sideline, number one. So that's that's
all into the silent dangerous, not on the field. So
he could have brought her a crown. He could have
brought it like a little championship belt. It's a whole
range of things he could have done other than that.
(53:30):
What I'm saying is that that's taking it too far
because now it's all playing out, You're not You're you're
thinking about the race, obviously because she won, but you're
also thinking about all this other stuff. So it's like
the kid who gets third and fourth place, they probably
are now thinking about their celebration too. In you third
fourth place, like think about your race because you're just
(53:52):
happy that you got third. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
So it's like, again they were correct and punishment, but
I think lawsuit that's probably gonna be rectified. She'll probably
get that crown back, but having something.
Speaker 5 (54:05):
But there should be some type of ramification for what.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
Shouldn't they have prepared themselves for for some potential thing
so that they didn't do this. Because if now we
who whoever the governing body the government.
Speaker 5 (54:24):
I think in California, California Independent Federation, Yeah, it's likes WVS.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
We don't see. We're not dealing with that. We don't
have a we don't have a structure to say, well,
if you if you celebrate that way, we're gonna we're
gonna punish you this way. I don't but I don't
anticipate that.
Speaker 5 (54:48):
I don't think there's a difference between a crown or
a belt and a fire exit. That's like comparing apples
and oranges. I'm sorry, that's just that's not good common sense.
Speaker 3 (54:58):
I'm with you, I'm one hundred percent with I really am.
But what I don't get one Dad knew, That's what
I don't like that. Dad knew you do that. And
I think dad knew and his dad was proud of
his daughter, and he you know, he wanted to put
a show on. He wanted her to put a show on.
But we don't do that. You already pit a show
and you want a four hundred in California, Yes, that
(55:20):
is a four hundred quarter a four hundred meter race
in California. Did you you you put on the show already?
Show over? What's Dad thinking? What's Dad thinking? I think
Dad thinking probably daughter asked him, he just appeased, or
he's trying to get extra He's thinking about the extra
tension that it could generate. He's maybe Dad is thinking
about but maybe Dad is thinking about going viral, you
(55:42):
know what I'm saying. So he could have been thinking
of all those thoughts not even considering any punishment that
could be handed down. Because my thing is, have we
had somebody and it's just high school. I was gonna say,
at least in high school, we've never had anybody. I
don't know if anybody ever disqualified for celebrating. I'm sure maybe,
(56:06):
but I mean even here in our state track we
had and we won't go into it, but we had
a little controversy and our state track meet, you know
what I'm saying, with some paraphernalia that was being worn.
But I just think, I don't I don't know. To me,
this was just way too far and and Dad needs
to take some accountability. Even his comments that he made
in the interviews, he just lacked accountability. He lacked perspective.
(56:29):
He should have just and and I think he was
sort of p o because of the stripping of the title.
But but who's fault with that? That's that? Yeah, from
under the sink. Yeah, yeah, he took the fire sings
from home and see, and I need to check my
fires and I would. I don't buy. I just don't.
(56:54):
I'm not okay, you won, you want and your and
your celebration is a whole other thing. Whether it's a
fine on the coach, which might is probably the dad
or something, but not the kid. The kid doesn't understand
because she probably did what she was told. Nah, I
(57:18):
don't she understood exactly what she was. I think she did.
But what I'm saying is, I'm thinking dad's propping this up. Nah.
I think she was propping it up. And then dad
was just complicit. Now yeah, I'm not to say the
te responsibility. Ultimately, it's the adult's responsibility to say no,
we shouldn't do that. Yeah, but I think her dad,
(57:40):
let's do this all right. I think he was just
like that. I don't think it was his idea to
do that. I don't even know how like, I don't
even know what I would even say if if I know,
I like, I got daughters, you want to do this?
What are you talking about? Like, I wouldn't be like
(58:00):
I couldn't comprehend that, you know, I'm like, you know,
so I don't even believe that.
Speaker 5 (58:04):
Maybe that's why he didn't comprehend it, like he just
didn't know what she was gonna do with it. Maybe
he said she said, I'm just gonna walk around with
it in her hands. Who knows.
Speaker 3 (58:13):
And the thing is, you could have you could have
did that like after the track meet, you mean timely,
this is always yeah, pardon me, right, yeah, but you
could have did that. He could have got that off.
It's just that I'm I'm I'm in and out on
that one. I kind of liked it, but I kind
of liked it, but you know, I guess you know
(58:33):
it is what it is. All Right, ladies and gentlemen,
We're gonna be out of here today and we will
be back with you again next week.
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Speaker 3 (00:51):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen. This is Carl Lee with Let's Talk.
And I have my two co hosts in the building,
Lisa Odie and Hollis Lewis. And I don't know if
I'm going to say this is fortunate or unfortunate, but
we do have another person that's miped up and ready
to go. This is like, uh, this is like a
(01:15):
guy that I have known for gosh for a long
long time. And I'll even I hate to do this,
but I'm gonna have to give him some credit. This
is the guy who would get up at six in
the morning, five in the morning and run with me
(01:36):
all off season of football and with with for no
reason other than to help me out. And he has
become part of our family. He does we do Christmas,
we do Thanksgiving, he does all of that. He's at
our house with my mom's house, and there's that expectation
of him being there. Now that doesn't necessarily mean I
(01:58):
really like him that much. My goodness that that's how
all that has happened. So I like to introduce everybody,
Jay Jordan's and and everybody. There's a whole lot of
people who know him for a whole lot of reasons. Good,
good and but you have you're doing some things sponsored
(02:21):
by the water company and doing some good things. Tell
us a little bit, tell tell the listeners about some
of the things that you're doing.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Okay, thank you Carl and Lisa and Hollis. Appreciate you
all letting me on for a little bit.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I have a ride that our sponsor. It'll be three
years now, this be my third year going in and
the first thing I did. When I first wanted to
do this was to give back to the community, and
I wanted to find out a good way of how
to do that and where what would be the best
way that I could reach out to the community and
(02:58):
who would who would need it the most. So I
went and I approached a guy named Bradley Harris, which
was over external affairs and water company, and told him
my idea of what I wanted to do. He come
up and got with me, did a tremendous job finding
out agencies and all that, threw them out there at
me and say which one do you prefer.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
One that was kind of close and dear to me
was y w c A.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
They do a lot of things for the kids. They
got a new center down there on Elizabeth Street where
kids could come in and they could do homework. They
have computers there for kids that don't have computers at
home and all that, and they also.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Get women.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Like they come in and they could get set up
for interviewing and getting started into the work field.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
So they do that part of it.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
And I know when I was growing up, we use
the agency. So my deal, my dream was, let me
when I get an opportunity in a chain. Let me
go back and give back to the community. So I
chose why WCA. They came over the water company and
listened to my presentation. They jumped on it. So they
come in. They sponsored. We have breathfis and stuff like
(04:15):
that in shirts. So what I do is a preregistration
type deal with is like twenty five dollars for the rider,
ten dollars if you got a if you have an
extra rider with you, but it's twenty.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Five dollars per rider. We'll ride to like State Park.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
These are motorcycles, motorcycles, sling shots. Anything with you go
with a scooter, I'll let you, but mostly it's motorcycles.
And like I said, I did have sling shots. We
was in a parade down there. I do it on
June teenth. I picked that day because I felt that
(04:53):
it wasn't nobody really getting a lot of tension on
June teenth, so I wanted to go under that June
teens and I called it. Me and Bradley Harres got
together and we came up with a name for Freedom Ride,
which is the June Team. So the first year we
went out and it turned out really well. I had
people that came and supported me from the Water Company
(05:16):
and other groups, Buffalo Soldiers.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
They are out.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
They do my safety part of it. They adamant riders,
they all over the place. So that makes me feel
a lot comfortable with my right. The other people that
don't ride as much, so that I got them there
and they they do the safety part of the ride,
so they're there for safety part, watched the traffic and
all that. What I do is we usually like we
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went to Hawk's Nest and we come back and I
do pictures and I take pictures of the riders and
some of where we go to. This year, we're going
to Somersville and we're going to do what they call
the swings. I think this is something like a Landmark
type deal now in West Virginia all over where you
go out and you have a big nice view of
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the background. And we're gonna go up to Summersville and
take a picture of that swing set and then we're
gonna ride down. We do breakfics in the morning. We'll
start at nine o'clock and that will be the registration
of preregistration nine and nine thirty and then nine thirty
to ten thirty. We got people that supported that sponsored
(06:24):
me for Breapics, Chick fil A and all those people.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
So we have Chick fil A, they're sponsoring Breapics.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
We'll do that for nine thirty, ten thirty, then kickstands
for up like ten forty five. This year I added
in cookout down at Shawnee for the riders, so after
the ride they could go down to Shawnee be under
shelter too, probably see us out there, have people down there,
and we'll do that part. And I'll just have Hamburger
(06:52):
hot off for in some like cokes and pops and
stuff like that for the riders, just sit around, talk
a little bit, you know, how.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
To ride with and all that good stuff. Let me
ask this question, if someone was interested in being a sponsor,
who do they contact? What's the information in order for
them to be able to be a part of it.
If anybody who's a listener they want to get they
want to be part of it, who do they contact?
I'm assuming that you, But what's the contact information and
(07:22):
where can they find it?
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Okay, they could go under uh, they could get in
touch with myself and that number I could leave a
card here to be three or four, five, five, two
eight one seven one, we're gonna work number. They could
reach out to me or I do have a flyer
here and they could go under that and they could
do all the donations and all that signing up and
(07:43):
all that if they like to. But any type of
information they would like to have on this ride, they
could reach out to me or share a wade.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I would have to share a wade at amwater dot com.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
They can email her at that and that way you
could get information for how they do donation.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
So they can get to the water company. They can
contact the water company and get information and or direct
information or access to you or yes, okay, want information,
so let me ask you this. So as far as
the like, if you want to make a donation or
you want to ride to ride, it costs you. I
think you said twenty five dollars? Is at it correct?
(08:23):
And now what specifically does those funds go to.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Those funds will actually go right to YWCA and nothing
comes to me and everything goes to YWC help funding
those events I've talked about about the kids on the
computers and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
They have a library and all.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
That funding to go in there to help them keep
up their center down there.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Gotcha.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
So, Jay, how many riders are you expecting this year?
Speaker 4 (08:48):
We have somewhere like fifteen to twenty riders sometimes all
my goal is the fifty. I don't know if I yeah, yeah,
but I like to do for the starts, right, I
like to get donations and funding for them as much
as almost like five thousand.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I haven't reached that, but I'm working on it.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
You know, and with it, you know, God's help and
everyone that wants to participate and maybe get there time.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
And if there is there a limit, is there a
limit on the number of riders? So if you have
like a club who wants to come in, who already
has like a motorcycle club, they just want to come
in and register and ride along. So there's no limit
or anything limit at all. Everything's wide open because I see
those big like this is becoming really popular at least
maybe I'm just being cognizant of it. Like I'll see
(09:40):
these big like Memorial Day riders. Yeah, you'll have these.
It'll be like a half a mile long of riders
riding through for different causes, different like that. So I
think you can probably get past fifty. We just got
to get the word out.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
That's right, that's right, and everything helps, and I appreciate
you all forgiving me the time to actually come on
here and get get the word out. I think that's
what some of the things happens here. We don't get
the word out the peach. Sure we have a lot
of good events and you know, for good causes, but
some people don't hear.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Sure, and we know what the weather's been like lately. Jay,
So do you have like a rain date and case
the weather's are not great?
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I do have a rain date. So far, we've been
blessed for good weather every year. I had it little
sun side shining. We had a good time for pictures
and all that. The first year we had that parade,
Junting parade, which they do it on the weekday. I
wish they would put it back on a Saturday. The
first year I think we did on Saturday, maybe a Monday.
(10:38):
But what happened was, uh, the kids. You have the
chance for the kids to get out there and they
love to see them sling shots and oh yeah, I
got one guy got.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Like forty speakers on the sling shot.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Him and he's an almost every ride or something like that.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, and then I got another one. So yeah, that ride.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
So I take clean shots anything, you know, sure, just
to have a good time.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
What about more paths? Can we can we do more?
The little electric bikes election? Hey Jay, what I'm what
I want you to do is contact Donna and Legends building.
(11:25):
Legends will make a donation to you as well. All right,
So just contact her and she'll give you a talk.
Maybe two dollars or so something. Don't spend you put
that right? You got anything anything else to say? Anything else?
(11:51):
You know, I appreciate the time you all. Thanks a lot,
you have a great Give the give the contact information
one more time. Okay, it's the contact information.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
You could reach out to me at L E A
R L dot Jordan at am dot amwater dot com
at also Sharah dot Wade at amwater dot com and
my phone numbers three oh four, five, five, two eight,
one seven one.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
And they can find you on social media as well,
right if they look you up, Yes j Jordan, Yes
the Jjordan on face send a message and they can
probably find you that way.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Also on my Facebook, I have the flyer out where
they can get the q R card.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Let me show I'm share the fly.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Now it's awesome, and they could go right into that
QR code and it take you right there to the
event and you can.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Sign up and do whatever you need to do. Perfect Yep,
all right, And I think, if I'm not mistaken, Hollins
Lewis is gonna take us somewhere with the n c
a A. I do believe, all right. So there was
a recent h Well settlement. There's a recent judicial order.
A settlement of a case is House v. N C
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double A, and that's House that actually stands for a person,
not like House of Delegates or House are representative. And
basically what it is, it's two parts. So there was
a two point something billion settlement which is going to
go to compensating athletes. Will talk about that last, but basically,
the big part of it is that it's going to
allow schools to pay athletes. And that's all athletes, not
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just football and basketball players. So basically what it is
is that each school would have about a twenty million
dollar salary cap budget which they could use to allocate
to pay athletes in their athletics department. In addition, so
the third thing it does, it sets up an NCAA Commission.
It's going to be head by former MLB executive and
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basically they would be responsible for, you know, navigating any infractions,
trying to set rules in different things of that nature.
So you know, I think, you know, this is going
to be a good thing. I think number one, it
is the revenue sharing model that we've discussed previously that
I'm an advocate for, and I think, you know, not immediately,
(14:08):
but what it will do in my mind going down
the road, it's going to sort of curve the wild
wild West that Nio was right because the bulk of
the money, I ain't gonna say the bull of the money,
but the money is going to be coming directly from
the schools, So the schools would be able to set
the standards, set the salary caps, say hey you're gonna
(14:28):
get paid this, make you sign a contract possibly that
you got to be here for X amount of years,
and different things of that nature. Now, what's going to
be sort of difficult to navigate is that within that
commission's power, not only are they going to have enforcement power.
So if you got you know, some some issues, something
you're violating some rules, they would be the enforcing mechanisms,
(14:51):
but it's going to be a little thing which I
believe is going to really have to be worked out
in that now they'll be able to event value wait
those outside NIL deals because the athletes, while they're getting
paid directly from the school, they can still get like
the sponsorships and different things of that nature. So what
this commission will be tasked to do, in part will
(15:16):
be to say, hey, it is what you're doing, Okay?
Is this sponsorship good? Is are you? Are you getting
paid too much? Getting paid too little? Different things over
that day. So I think that's where it's gonna be
a little fickled at. So that's kind of it in
a nutshell without going too much legal ease. Okay, my first,
(15:36):
my first like, I like it, okay, but the NIL
piece is my is my issue because let's say the
three of us we're on the same team, we're all
getting twenty dollars, okay, because we're top players and we're
getting twenty dollars. My question. Then then I turn out
(16:01):
and I get an IL deal from not necessarily quote
a sponsor, but let's just say, you know, somebody who's
got a ton of money who is gonna get me,
you know, a thousand dollars for every game. You know,
I still see the separation and I see all that
(16:22):
for the for the NIL player, this is just extra
money being paid through the system. Well, I think, and
I think that's definitely a concern. But I'm I'm and
this is just me, Like, this is just my conjecture.
This is just me, you know, forecasting. What I think
is gonna happen is that Number one, they're gonna this
commission is gonna set guidelines and rules this state that hey, okay,
(16:46):
you're not gonna be able to go to this NIL
collective and just get a check. You're actually gonna have
to do something in regards of like some sort of sponsorship.
There's gonna have to be some some sort of fair exchange.
So you're like, if you're going to go to you know,
Gatorade and they're gonna you know, you're gonna be a commercials,
(17:06):
then okay, you're sponsoring. And if you're gonna deal with
this NIL, this person giving you this money, there is
something that you're gonna have to do, whether that's posting
them on your social media, You're not just I don't
think And again, let me just say this before I
go on the current NIL deals in place. This this
ruling is not retroactive, so it won't affect any ones'
(17:27):
current you know, n I l's has already been signed
and happened. But what I think moving forward is that
number one, the money is going to go from the school,
and I think, excuse me, come from the school. The
schools may be able to pull more from that from
the n I L collective under some if they need
it or whatever. And then far as sponsorships is concerned,
you're actually gonna have to be in you know, a sponsorship.
(17:50):
You're gonna actually be a marketing tool for whoever's giving
you that extra money. That's just my conjecture.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Yeah, and I think too, and you're probably right, hollispect.
I think this is a way to control like the
Cooper flags of the athletic college athletic world, because you know,
this guy's making millions of dollars at Duke on these
you know, supersized NIL deals outside of what he's doing
at Duke with the school. So I think that this,
(18:16):
I think this clearing house is what they're calling it
something like that. Basically what they're going to do from
what I've read is review these agreements and make sure
they're fair market value, that they're not being overpaid for
what they're doing. I think the question for me is,
and I think this will come out later on after
this is implemented, you know how much power is this
(18:38):
clearing house going to have? And the second question is
it legal?
Speaker 3 (18:43):
And that's my part because I don't because you can't
necessarily determine fair market value because your your market value
is what somebody's willing to pay, right, So if somebody's
willing to give you a thousand and give you a hundred,
that's my fair market value. Right. I think what they're
from what I understand, what they're gonna determine is the range.
So they're not necessarily determining what you're worth on the
(19:05):
fair market value. They're they're gonna be tasked to tell
me determined like how much, like like what's the range
that we can allow you to get paid, Which to me,
that's where you're gonna see massive lawsuits because if you
tell me what's going to happen. But but I think
if they just leave it like that, then yes, but
(19:26):
what I think is going to happen, and if they're smart.
What they're gonna say is that, hey, you could get
paid that one point five million or that two million,
but what are you doing for that? You actually have
to we can't allow you just to accept money, and
then you're just not doing anything like what's been happening
in the past other than just paying, because you're already
getting paid from the school. So I think they're gonna
(19:46):
determine the parameters in which what is allowable far as
marketing is kept, I think.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
I think it is. But it's also I think there's
gonna be a lot of legal concern in the future
with with athletes challenging it.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
For sure. Well see, and here's the here's the thing
that and and I and please correct me if I'm
wrong when I say this, because this is what's running
around in my head. So the NIL money, let's assume
I'm assuming that. Okay, So I'm going to get one
(20:23):
thousand dollars for whatever amount of time, But that's not
coming from NIL. That's coming from the school, from the
school out of the million. And so I kind of
want to keep my NIL deal and they want to
give me twenty million.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
And that's when the clearing house comes into play.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Right, and that's when they would come in yeah, yeh yeah,
and then and and because then again you could get
fifteen fifteen million, and then who's the who's judging of
what's the fair market value? Like who's Well, they're not
judging fair market value. They they play a little you know,
language jiu jitsu. They're not saying that fair market value.
(21:07):
They're saying range of range of payment. They're doing like
a like a range. So in essence, they're sort of
trying to judge fair market value without saying that, because
you cannot judge fair market value. Well, and and here's
here's what I think is the problem with what they're
what they're attempting to do. Because let's okay, let's go
to the NFL. Okay, so let's say you playing on
(21:27):
the right corner. I'm playing left corner. I go in,
I get I change, I go in. We're pretty close
to the same ability and all that kind of stuff, right,
same kind of honors and all that. I go in,
I sign a contract for for one hundred dollars. You
come in, and then you and then you sign for
three hundred. Now I got a problem, you know what
(21:51):
I'm saying, Like i'm now or or say the negotiation
we haven't actually signed there are they're promising me a hundred.
They're gonna promise you three hundred, and I'm thinking, well, hunk, no, no,
I'm not taking that hundred. I need four because I
think I'm better than him. Like, are we not opening
that window? I think you are. But I think again,
if it was kind, you're right. But I think if
(22:15):
the schools are are smart, and if the conferences are smart,
they'll sort of set their own guidelines, so they'll say
this is the vaute. It's just like in the NFL. Right,
to use that example. In the NFL, you got like
a number you can pretty much essentially pay per player
on the roster, and you have the rookie salary cap, right, yeah,
(22:37):
and then after that rookie salary cap, then you can
renegotiate and that's kind of when the contracts can get
absorbent or whatever like that. So I think if the conferences,
if the school is smart, they're gonna say, hey, this
is the freshman to sowborn do whatever cap and then
after that you're probably gonna have incentives, and then once
that contract is up, you're gonna be able to negotiate
(22:57):
because what I think is gonna happen. I mean, because
I think this could really quell the noise that the
transfer portal was created. Because again, if I'm paying you
directly from the school, oh yeah, you signing this two
year deal, right.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Which could exclude outside agencies. If it's part of the contract,
they could they could exclude outside agencies from coming in
and paying them even more.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
And that's the point, and that's the perfect because now
the schools are going to have way more control if
the first dollar is coming from the school. Because what
from what I understand is just some of the things
I've been hearing the nil collectives quote unquote now are
going to turn into marketing agencies. So these n I
l uh nil collectives, instead of just paying players arbitrarily,
(23:46):
they're actually going to be able to transform into finding
you know, sponsorships and deals for players, so you know,
we can find this line and this thing the sponsor,
this quarterback, this thing the sponsor, and they're actually going
to be sort of stream in the deals as opposed
to just giving out the money. So I think again
this is the beginning of it. And let's say this.
(24:06):
Let me say this, this should have happened twenty five
years ago, said that. It's just I mean, whoever, the
NCAA has just been the worst organization ever, and it
took all this for this to happen. And now the
challenge is going to be the major challenges because to
your point, you've had the wild wild West for the
(24:28):
last two three years, and now that money's going to
be shrinking, that the money that they was getting, it
ain't gonna be there no more. And I think the
perfect example is just like what rookie contracts in the
NFL were twenty years ago, when they was paying the
first round draft pick one hundreds of millions of dollars,
and then they figured out all you had, all these
guys who didn't make it two or three years in
the league. They say, we ain't doing that no more.
(24:49):
We got to spell this thing back. So I think
that's the example of what's about to happen here.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Well, and can I play Devil's advocate for a minute, yere,
So we're saying there's a salary cap now basically it's
twenty point five million, right, Well, that's going to do
for in my opinion, it's gonna be good for some schools,
it's it's going to be not so good for others,
and then for some it's not gonna matter anyway. Okay,
(25:15):
So for example, your Alabama's, your Ohio States, your Notre Dames,
they've been playing with way more money than twenty point
five million dollars. So for them, that's gonna kind of
be a step, you know, a downgrade right for your WVUS,
for your mid tier teams that are playing with that
sort of money right now, that's pretty much where they
(25:37):
are in the twenty twenty ish million kind of for them,
it's going to kind of level the playing field, right
because now now they can kind of like rein in
the NIL deals, you sign a contract with us all
of that. Let's just face it. The teams like Marshall
and the Sun Belt, it doesn't matter because they don't
have that kind of money to play with anyway, and
it never did. So for me, it's kind of bringing
(25:58):
down and I just wonder what their thoughts are on that.
You know that those high level teams that are year in,
year out in the National Championship, the Georgia's, all of
those SEC teams that you know, have lots of money
to play with, wonder what that does for them?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Okay, And to that point, just to counter what I
would say is that this is going to be great
for college sports, because what I think is happening is.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
That, well, I think it's good too.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
What and if all the schools, all the coaches, all
the commissioners, all the eighties, what I think they all
can agree on is that nil was not n I
on transperport is not being good for college sports. No, right,
I think, But you're right, and I think they agree.
(26:43):
So now I think if they can all just get
past their egos, if they can all get past their
egos and say, look, everybody working with the same pot,
at least the upfront pot at the at the upfront level,
then it's gonna come back to recruiting. Then it's gonna
come back to your coach, you seconds, and then it
(27:07):
can come back to degree. Now to your point, where
I agree is that I think the most challenging part
of this is that if you have a school like
South Carolina Gangcocks, because you have a the stars of
that campus is the women's college basketball team, Yes, and
then you have men's basketball, and then you gotta pay
you gotta pay big Daddy, which is football. How are
you gonna split that pot up that those schools are
(27:30):
going to be the ones who are going to be
like because Ohio State is just football. Let's face yeah,
you can get a whole twenty this football and they
could work out the rest, right, But teams, but you
got good teams other than football.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Basketball, even that men's men, that's even a little easier.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
But when you women's basketball, women's before we before, we
before we jump there, before we jump there, breaking.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Rules already, it's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Where was supposed we're trying to do a fifteen minute
segment and breaking the complete Okay, we're going to take
the break. We'll take a breaking, we'll cheat again. We'll
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Speaker 3 (29:41):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are we are back,
and I'm gonna say I'm gonna hang in here on
this conversation just because I'm trying to figure out you know,
we're talking about all this money, and we're talking about
Ohio State, We're talking about all these The teams were
down to we even came down to wv U and
(30:03):
that conference, and then we kind of skipped through the
Marshall kind of thing. Because my question is, if you
are going to do, if you're going to set a structure,
where does that structure fall when you go to the
Marshall level or when you go to the West Virginia
State levels. Are you are you leaving them out to
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the point of they're going to have to find their
own donors? Yes? And yeah, And and that was that
was my That was my concern because I'm thinking that
I don't I don't really think that that's fair because
I think the twenty million is correct. Me if I'm
wrong we're talking about Power fives, we're talking about the
power I think it's all up to the top, but
(30:51):
I don't, But why can't we create a situation that's
that's that's okay, I'll just use these numbers. It's twenty
at the top tier and five at the bottom tier.
But it's all the same that everybody's getting something. I
kind of I actually like that. I mean, I think
I don't think.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
When you think about a salary cap, I mean it's
basically your money is still coming from your donors, right,
and this is revenue.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah, this is from the conferences, and so this is
a revenue sharing model.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Yeah, but that's just for the like you said, the top.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Teams, because I mean essentially, like if you have a
you know, a Molestay Conference West Virginia State, you see
it seems like they're not generating generating that kind of money, right,
which most they're left out, Yeah, which most even had
like a Power five. If you can take of Alabama,
most of those sports don't generate any revenue. It's football
and basketball it's generating.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Well, let me let me ask you this where where Okay,
So part of the deal was the two point seven
billion dollars settlement for former players.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Normal players going back to twenty sixteen.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Twenty sixteen that have not been able to they didn't
get any benefit from an eye out. Okay, so it's
anybody before twenty sixteen?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Correct?
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Would that be you and Carl as Well?
Speaker 3 (32:05):
No? No, no, it's two twenty sixteen two, So it's
twenty sixteen to two whenever they did the nil, which
is probably four or five years.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
And that's what I was it was it twenty twenty
one or yeah, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I say something like that. Yeah, so we're talking about it.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
They did limit it. And where's the money coming from.
That's revenue sharing as well. That you think it's just
seven billion, I.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Want to say that's from that that's in Cuba.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Yeah, I say wow, yeah, I mean that's a check.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
So that's just two eight billion dollars. So they're going
to compensate, like you think about the Baker Mayfields and
Zion Williams and the Kylin Murray's those guys. Yeah, the
question with money, But some of these guys don't need it,
I'm saying, I mean they don't they don't really need it.
I mean I don't know what the point would be.
(32:56):
It is I get to reach back, but you need
to reach back to the players who maybe didn't get
the opportunity to go to the next level. But it's
not about that. It's the players who performed in college
who would have gotten that check. So I think the
house deal. So so you're the quarterback, I'm the center,
so you got the attention, but hey, I gave you
(33:16):
the ball. I mean he would have. He would have
got something too. But I think what they're trying to
do is they're going to go back analyze your fair market,
your market value during that time, teams you played on,
successful accolades, blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
It's going to be who's going.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
To do that. They got a whole squad that's doing
it now. It's going to be incredibly difficult. I don't
know everything about that. That's that's as well.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
Can you imagine there's formal players coming saying why did
not get this nount? You got that amount. There's going
to be more lawsuits coming out that.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
It depends on your situations, like if somebody if you
if you broke busted and disgusting right now, somebody had
your twenty thousand dollars check. I don't think you're arguing
about it, but time, if you're Baker Mayfield, somebody had
your five hundred thousand dollars check in. It's okay, I'll
take the twenty at least I feel like I got something.
But if you ain't giving me nothing, I got a
problem that. Yeah. So all right, so all right, we're
(34:10):
gonna we're gonna move on. And in case anybody's wondering,
there's a there's a person in the in the studio
with the packer hat on. Okay, which is? Which is?
Which is?
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Really for a few weeks. That really offends me that
she can't address you now.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
He puts that on. Yes, that's gonna be bored for sure.
Aaron Rodgers all right, now, let me just say this.
This is what I this is what I see in
this hole.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
I'm gonna interrupt Hollis. Remember in our text conversation, what
what did he say about Aaron Rodgers He needs to
do what he needs to go sit down?
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Is that not what he said? Yes? Yes, I don't
see him. I don't see him being the quarterback he
used to be. I just don't see him being that guy.
Can he get on the team and lead a team.
Maybe I just don't see him being as work as
(35:20):
worthy as he thinks he is. And I and I
and I think the league itself, Hollis is shaking heads.
No upset.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
I agree with you, But I don't think this is
about Aaron Rodgers. What I think this says. This is
about the Stellers organization, and this is their final straw
with coach Tomlin. And basically what the Stealers are saying
is that we're giving you one more year. We're giving
you the best quarterback that we can find that could
(35:54):
possibly give you one year. Okay, now I'm liking this
that can give you, that can give you one year.
And what we need to see during this one year
is that we need to get some progression in the playoffs.
So we want you to get to the playoffs. We
want you to at least maybe get to a conference championship,
and then after that we'll give you back the range.
Because there's no way in the h double hockey sticks
(36:17):
that you're gonna tell me that this was coach Tomlin's pick.
There's no way I can say that. There's no because
he passed up again, you got your door. You got
all the quarterbacks that he passed the basically passed of everybody.
And again, this wasn't the strongest quarterback class he could
have traded. He could have got the kid from from
New York that went to Minnesota thing which is uh,
(36:40):
I can't think of the same right now, but the
quarterback who was in New York. They could have made
some moves other than this, But this was an organizational move.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Okay, well, I'm gonna say this. I'm going to say this.
The details about his contract have come out in the
past few days, right, and I'm gonna just summarize it
real quick. But honestly, the Steelers got quite the bargain
over overall. Listen, no, listen, listen, because they set it
up so that Aaron Rodgers is really going to have
a tough time earning over his ten million fully guaranteed. Okay,
(37:11):
here were some of the things that they put in
the contract. The first thing is he has to play
at least seventy percent of he has to take at
least seventy percent of the offensive snaps throughout the season,
which what that means you cannot have any detrimental injuries. Right,
you can't have anything go wrong that relates to his physical,
you know, ability and his right to play. Right, So
(37:34):
he's got to do that up front. Okay, if he
can get through that, if he can get seventy percent
of the snaps, then they have set up six different
things he has to do to make an additional five
point eight five million. Now that the ten million is
pretty much that's fully guaranteed, right, which.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Is not that much for a quarterback, not for a quarterback, right.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
Okay, so okay, absolutely absolutely, So here are the six
things he has to do, and they're they're pretty they're
all related. There's ae qu actually. So first he has
to make the playoffs. That's part of it. The second
part is he has to win a divisional round and
then he also has to or he has to make
a divisional round playoff game, and then he has to
win it. Okay, those are those are the first three.
(38:13):
Then he has to win the AFC. That's number four.
Number five is to take the Steelers to the super Bowl.
And then number six, that would complete the whole you
know shebang, would be for him to win the MVP
Award at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
How much is that worth? So we said each piece is.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
Worth they had it broken down. I didn't write numbers down, Hollis,
I apologize, but each piece is worth a part of
the five point eight five. So she would do all
six things and the seventy.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Per can make fifteen exactly. So that's not that's not bad.
That's that's not bad. That's going to be incentives in
the contract. Yes, okay, so the ten is guaranteed and
you get the llion dollars in the five million in
the centive. Yep. So again, now that's what I'm trying
to tell you. This was an organization move about Thomas.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
That's a great thought, because I didn't think.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
I did not think. That never crossed my mind. But
now hearing you say it in the midst of it,
and even with that contract, because that's just saying to
your point least, that is a great deal for organization
for a quarterback of that level, regardless of whether whatever
age he is now. And basically what that says is
that if we ain't accomplishing this, then Aaron Rodgers you're
(39:29):
gone that and Thomas you go starting fresh. My question
deal right now, So let me ask you this if
I'm Thomlinson and I and I'm looking at this, I
can see I should be able to see that my
career is based off of his performance. Well, I ain't
gonna say career because he'll get another coach. So yeah,
but I'm saying here in Pittsburgh, it's time to one hundred.
(39:56):
But if he didn't want him, how are you gonna
tie me to somebody? I tell you that the organization
don't want you.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
And we had that conversation early in the season, remember that,
how we feel like he never got them past you know,
the playoffs. You know, he got him to a certain
point and then he would lose and the fans. We
had that whole conversation about teams that are happy just
to make the playoffs and those that continually make the
playoffs and they don't produce, they don't win, they don't
(40:24):
make a super Bowl, and they're at that point in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
And that's my problem because for me, for me, if
I have a coach and you're leading me to the
playoffs every single year, you're giving me a chance to
win a super Bowl. So as long as we continue
to get to the playoffs, then I'm going to continue
to make let you to make the moves that you
need to make. I don't understand is that I'm not
if I'm Pittsburgh, I'm not doing this. I'm not getting
(40:47):
rid of the Thomlins because he's getting me there. Now.
We just got to work on, you know, getting over
the hull. And and I think I think there are
and we we as a as an organization, as the Vike,
we we made that. Our general manager made that same
gamble with her with with with herschel Walker like we
(41:08):
were like we we were this ain't say this ain't
de hersche Walker. Wait, yeah, I get that. But the
idea was he was the guy that you needed. He
was going to be the guy that was gonna take you.
We could afford to lose all these different guys because
he was so good that he could get us there.
(41:32):
What But what what you found out was he really
wasn't that good, nor was he.
Speaker 6 (41:38):
Was he.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Acceptable in the locker room. He just wasn't a guy
that that guy. You know, he wasn't there like hey,
hars He wasn't really the team player he was. He
was just himself. And I and I bring this up
only because when you start trying to rely on a player.
When you try to think that that's the guy, you
(42:01):
make some really really bad decisions. Because I don't care
what anybody says. Football in itself, it's a it's a legitimate,
full team thing. And I think what an organization like
the Stillers, they become so spoiled where they think that
every year you're supposed to be like having this super
Bowl run, And I think what they don't realize they're
(42:23):
in the playoffs every single year. They not too many
organizations I can say that, no organization can really say
that when you talk about the number of playoff runs
that they done had over the years, whether your first
second round, division whatever, conference championship, super Bowls, because your
record record out. But they they don't care. And there's
(42:46):
so many teams that are there for one year, then
gone for ten years, then up and down, up and down,
up and down. Where they've been the model of consistency.
So I just moves like it's to your point where
you because basically sort of juxtaposition the vikings and the
vikings where y'all gave up a bunch of players. You
the Stillers in this move have potentially giving up a
(43:07):
Hall of Fame coach, and I just don't understand why.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
You would do that. I think a lot of the
Steeler nation would agree with you. They're not they're not
happy about this Aaron Rodgers move.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Most of that don't make sense to me.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
I mean, and you can see why.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (43:19):
Things that we've talked about me, A lot of them
are are skeptical, skeptical of his locker room chemistry. You know,
we know what he's capable of doing there, the fact
that it's a one year commitment, that that the fans
are like, you know, we know this is temporary. He's older,
you know, even if he gets us there this year,
this is a this is a temporary fix for a
permanent problem. We need a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
And then you don't even have a backup. You didn't
draft the backup, right that they sort of can come
in like a love for the papers, Right, I was
gonna I was going to I was going to say
that that was gonna be my next thing. Who's who
is going to play? Because you're what you're saying is
you're thinking, you're hoping, you're praying that he can play
all season, playoff the contract. Yeah, we're we're making you
(44:07):
go seventy We're making you go seventy percent. But in
all reality, you want him to play if you because
he can play seventy percent, you still not even make
the play shower for sure. So that's not your goal.
Your goal is trying to get to the bowl, right
and win it. That's my thought. You're trying to get there.
Do you think he's your guy that's gonna get you there.
(44:29):
Apparently they do that because they wrote it in the contract.
Apparently apparently they do. And it's just like to me,
if you take like in it's kind of funny that
I would say that, But like, if you take the
Packers and the Steelers, the Packers have done a great
job of cultivating quarterbacks. You gotta go back from Brett
Fahr to the eighties to now. They've always had a
quarter but still he solid quarterback all you says, right,
(44:56):
And if you take the steal and if you take
the Steelers, they've always had a consistent good team. So
it's to me, why wouldn't it Stillers take that same approach,
draft the young guy. At least if you're gonna bring
Aaron Rodgers there for you, a young guys.
Speaker 5 (45:11):
Somebody. But that was Remember, that was the conversation we had.
Aaron watched the draft before he made a commitment to
Pittsburgh because he won.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
You think he did that for real? No, that was
that was part of what I read.
Speaker 5 (45:23):
No, he said he waited until the draft was sober.
No he didn't. I don't know that for sure, but
I mean that's what social media.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Gotcha, gotcha, Yeah, because because think about it. If you
bring in a quarterback you won, You're gonna pay him
and he's expecting to play. But you ain't starting on
Aaron Rodgers if you wanted it not not in this draft.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
Was afraid.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yeah, but I would take Aaron Rodgers probably over any
of these guys a year. But I'm gonna but I'm
gonna tell you if I'm if I'm a college quarterback
and I'm coming out this year and you're you're considering
Aaron Rodgers, my thing is, okay, it's either me or Aaron.
You don't got that leverage. It's not in the fifth round,
(46:07):
and use your door saying that you ain't got not
if you're in the fifth round. You but if you
like you said, it was none of those quarterbacks to
your point list is none of those guys livers, So
you got something. I was I was still in the
mood of fighting this issue with with Aaron Rodgers. But
(46:30):
we're gonna We're gonna move on. At least I'm gonna
allow you if you want to say anything else about
the packing success your team. And I know he's going
to Pittsburgh, which I think is okay, it's not your team, Okay,
Jay Jordans was is a diehard Pittsburgh fan. Yes, you
(46:52):
know so, but at least if you want to close out,
if you got anything.
Speaker 5 (46:57):
I just wanted to say. One of my best friends,
we actually the girl I was on vacation with last week.
She is a die hard Stealers fan, and so she
was kind of lukewarm. She was just like, you know,
hope for the best and expect the worst, you know
what I mean. That was her attitude. And we're actually
going to the game. She and I are going to
that Sunday night football game in Pittsburgh, So that ought
to be interesting. I'll maybe go live or something, want something.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Fun with it. But I just don't, like I said,
I just don't see Jordan love again. That's success. I
just don't see. Okay, they gonna make a run, all right,
So we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna change topics. Thank
you track athletes, high school track athletes celebrating. Now you
(47:40):
know what you gotta set up? What does she do?
California trying to run a four hundred? What does she do?
I think it's the independent. California has these weird high
school conference or whatever. Yes, but she's a track athlete.
She's a four hundred runner. This is the state meet,
state final. She runs the four hundred, she wins the
four hundred. In her celebration, she takes a fire hose
(48:01):
in fire hoses her shoes, simulating that you know, she
was super hot and everything like that. And their track
high schoo commission whatever they strip her of the title.
So there you go. Okay, So if I if I
win a hundred yard dash and there's some really good
people in the hundred yard dash one hundred meters, actually,
(48:24):
I guess I should probably say it that way. I
want to be able to have, you know, I want
to be a celebrate. I don't I don't know where
and why you can what? You can? Maybe warn me
you could maybe I don't know, do something, but you
can't take you can't. You can't take me from winning.
(48:46):
I want, you know what I'm saying, I want, and
you're gonna come. You gonna because I'm celebrating and you
don't like that celebration, or you're trying to make a
point to nobody's gonna celebrate in our sport to that degree,
well what what was the warning of that degree? But
it's like if you take a prop. You know again,
(49:09):
I think that the High School Commission was right in
being punitive in this because what happens is that if
we allow you to do this, you actually it wasn't
like you just jumping up, jumping around, take a victory lap.
You celebrate with your teammates, that's one thing, but you
had a coordinated prop. And if that's the start, then
where does it end. It's gonna be all these celebrations,
(49:32):
gonna be all this. So we have to take a stand.
Now to your point, that can't strip you of a
track title when you won the title. It ain't like
he was on pds or something like that. You can't
title you want it. If I'm second place, I don't
want it didn't win it in myselver, so what I
think they should have done. She's an underclassman. We're gonna
(49:53):
punish you from doing that, and then we're gonna make
you sit out next year. Are you sitting out them?
First three meets? You said we're gonna do something next
year to punish you for the thing you did this year.
Not again. Work is complicated if you have a senior
So maybe it's a fine. Maybe I don't know what
it is. But they had to do something. Now, whether
that punishment was right or not, but they had.
Speaker 5 (50:14):
To do it.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Yeah, I agree. I'm OK. No, I'm not. I'm not really,
I'm not. I don't really. I'm looking at what we
do in all other sports and but we don't do
that in football. You can't take no foreign object, no
but but you, but you can celebrate.
Speaker 5 (50:36):
Well, let me talking about a myer extinguisher that has
dangerous chemicals on the field around other parts.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
What you're getting. But the point that you're making though,
is is like my you know I'm on fire, my feet.
Speaker 5 (50:52):
Are on fire, gets a safety hazard, Like it's not
that's you just don't do that. Now. I do know
that that was a reference to another track star. Somebody
did that Maurice Screen, I think it's his name, and
so that's what she was. She was mimicking something that
he did during his celebrations after winning. You know, these
these different sprints. But still you're in high school and
(51:15):
you and and dad was her coach or he was,
I'm not sure, brought her the fire extinguisher from what
I understand, so Dad was an accomplice. And according to
what Dad said, at first, everybody was cool with it, like,
oh yay, woo, it's cool, you know, even the even
the officials. And then they backed up and took a
(51:35):
look and looked and said, you know what, we probably
shouldn't be cool with that, and they shouldn't be. They
shouldn't be, but I will, I will put this in
their Hollis and this was a reporter in California. I
looked up the article because when I when I saw
this in the text, I thought a celebration and I
thought what could this be? And then when I got
into it, I was like, oh my gosh, this is awesome.
(51:55):
So good job, kudos to Hollis. We're bringing this on that.
It was what they revealed after twenty years of state
championship research, no other instance of disqualification was ever given
to any type of athlete for unsportsmanlike conduct.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
This was what she was.
Speaker 5 (52:13):
So there is therein lies the problem. She should, like
you said, she should be punished in some fashion, but
not in that fashion. She should not be you know,
they should not take away what she she won.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
And I hate when Leeds do this. I hate when
like NCAA al Reggie Bush did whatever he took money,
We're gonna take wins away. Like what are you talking about,
We're gonna take your heisman away. Stop it. You can't
take some way that that person earns. Because you know
what I'm saying, it's another way to do this. And
who takes outside of it. Who wants to take that
heisman when you know you didn't win it? Yeah, like
(52:49):
you already know, Like I'm not if I'm this athlete,
if I'm like the second place, I'm not taking the gold.
I don't want it. I didn't. I was the runner
up that year, and that's what it was. And the
fact of the matter is that it kind of going
back to dad, Dad, what are you thinking? Why are
you doing this? Bring? Like I said, even football now
I can say, and I want to correct myself. Football,
we do have little props now, like so when you
(53:10):
go get an interception, you'll get like the championship belt,
we get the gold chain and all that, but we
do that on the sideline, number one. So that's that's
all into the silent dangerous, not on the field. So
he could have brought her a crown. He could have
brought it like a little championship belt. It's a whole
range of things he could have done other than that.
(53:30):
What I'm saying is that that's taking it too far
because now it's all playing out, You're not You're you're
thinking about the race, obviously because she won, but you're
also thinking about all this other stuff. So it's like
the kid who gets third and fourth place, they probably
are now thinking about their celebration too. In you third
fourth place, like think about your race because you're just
(53:52):
happy that you got third. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
So it's like, again they were correct and punishment, but
I think lawsuit that's probably gonna be rectified. She'll probably
get that crown back, but having something.
Speaker 5 (54:05):
But there should be some type of ramification for what.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
Shouldn't they have prepared themselves for for some potential thing
so that they didn't do this. Because if now we
who whoever the governing body the government.
Speaker 5 (54:24):
I think in California, California Independent Federation, Yeah, it's likes WVS.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
We don't see. We're not dealing with that. We don't
have a we don't have a structure to say, well,
if you if you celebrate that way, we're gonna we're
gonna punish you this way. I don't but I don't
anticipate that.
Speaker 5 (54:48):
I don't think there's a difference between a crown or
a belt and a fire exit. That's like comparing apples
and oranges. I'm sorry, that's just that's not good common sense.
Speaker 3 (54:58):
I'm with you, I'm one hundred percent with I really am.
But what I don't get one Dad knew, That's what
I don't like that. Dad knew you do that. And
I think dad knew and his dad was proud of
his daughter, and he you know, he wanted to put
a show on. He wanted her to put a show on.
But we don't do that. You already pit a show
and you want a four hundred in California, Yes, that
(55:20):
is a four hundred quarter a four hundred meter race
in California. Did you you you put on the show already?
Show over? What's Dad thinking? What's Dad thinking? I think
Dad thinking probably daughter asked him, he just appeased, or
he's trying to get extra He's thinking about the extra
tension that it could generate. He's maybe Dad is thinking
about but maybe Dad is thinking about going viral, you
(55:42):
know what I'm saying. So he could have been thinking
of all those thoughts not even considering any punishment that
could be handed down. Because my thing is, have we
had somebody and it's just high school. I was gonna say,
at least in high school, we've never had anybody. I
don't know if anybody ever disqualified for celebrating. I'm sure maybe,
(56:06):
but I mean even here in our state track we
had and we won't go into it, but we had
a little controversy and our state track meet, you know
what I'm saying, with some paraphernalia that was being worn.
But I just think, I don't I don't know. To me,
this was just way too far and and Dad needs
to take some accountability. Even his comments that he made
in the interviews, he just lacked accountability. He lacked perspective.
(56:29):
He should have just and and I think he was
sort of p o because of the stripping of the title.
But but who's fault with that? That's that? Yeah, from
under the sink. Yeah, yeah, he took the fire sings
from home and see, and I need to check my
fires and I would. I don't buy. I just don't.
(56:54):
I'm not okay, you won, you want and your and
your celebration is a whole other thing. Whether it's a
fine on the coach, which might is probably the dad
or something, but not the kid. The kid doesn't understand
because she probably did what she was told. Nah, I
(57:18):
don't she understood exactly what she was. I think she did.
But what I'm saying is, I'm thinking dad's propping this up. Nah.
I think she was propping it up. And then dad
was just complicit. Now yeah, I'm not to say the
te responsibility. Ultimately, it's the adult's responsibility to say no,
we shouldn't do that. Yeah, but I think her dad,
(57:40):
let's do this all right. I think he was just
like that. I don't think it was his idea to
do that. I don't even know how like, I don't
even know what I would even say if if I know,
I like, I got daughters, you want to do this?
What are you talking about? Like, I wouldn't be like
(58:00):
I couldn't comprehend that, you know, I'm like, you know,
so I don't even believe that.
Speaker 5 (58:04):
Maybe that's why he didn't comprehend it, like he just
didn't know what she was gonna do with it. Maybe
he said she said, I'm just gonna walk around with
it in her hands. Who knows.
Speaker 3 (58:13):
And the thing is, you could have you could have
did that like after the track meet, you mean timely,
this is always yeah, pardon me, right, yeah, but you
could have did that. He could have got that off.
It's just that I'm I'm I'm in and out on
that one. I kind of liked it, but I kind
of liked it, but you know, I guess you know
(58:33):
it is what it is. All Right, ladies and gentlemen,
We're gonna be out of here today and we will
be back with you again next week.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
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Speaker 1 (59:04):
If you fall, doesn't don't for get back up for
your feet. Anything can be a win, yup, even the
feet that say shit's a bath for you? Wise visitary
Sweet couldn't play with big kids.
Speaker 3 (59:13):
I had to sit in the street and watch from
a distance. But over time I grew. If I put
in the work.
Speaker 1 (59:19):
In no time, I'm doing everything that I worked and prayed.
I'm okay. If you ask me how did I do it,
I'm gonna say. You gotta work, cry shine, just mine
gotta show. Everybody is my time.
Speaker 3 (59:30):
Hein here.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
You gotta work, cry shine. Never mind who talk and
died this day line, don't talk. You gotta work. You
gotta work. You gotta work. You gotta work, You gotta work,
You gotta work.
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