July 3, 2025 • 52 mins
West Virginia native and female boxing legend Christy Martin, a.k.a. "The Coal Miner's Daughter," stops by the Let's Talk studio to talk about her boxing journey, coming from a modest upbringing in the coal fields of West Virginia to finding herself in the center of the ring. Billed on some of the world's biggest fights promoted by the boxing icon Don King, Christy kicked open the door for women to enter the boxing world, a true pioneer in the sport. Christy discusses everything from training and boxing to her own work as a promoter today, plus she discusses her important work as an advocate for surivors of domestic violence and abuse.
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Speaker 4 (00:37):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, missus Carl Lee with Let's Talk,
and we have a we have a great guest in today,
and uh, I'm gonna allow my co host, which is
Lise Odie and Hollis Lucy Lewis in the building. I'm
gonna let Hollis introduce them and trust me sit in
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the whole show.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
So we have a West Virginia legend, a pioneer when
it comes to you know, not only women's boxing, but
I would say women's athletics definitely one of probably the
first superstars of women's sports in general. In addition to boxing,
we have Christy Martin, a KA daughter of a coma.
Speaker 6 (01:27):
Here back home in West Virginia.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Well, thank you and thank you for being on the
show and coming in the studio, I just have to
I just have to ask the question because.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I watched the show and.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I'm trying and I'm trying to figure out, like where
did the love.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Of boxing actually?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Like, Like, again, I realized that you kind of just
jumped into it and and and you found you found
that you were just great at it.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
But what was the what was the thing?
Speaker 7 (01:59):
Like?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
When when did you wake up and say, you know what,
boxing is going to be my thing? You know what?
Speaker 7 (02:04):
That is a great question because I'm still I'm still
trying to figure that out.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
I don't know, because it's crazy. I mean, nobody I.
Speaker 7 (02:12):
Had never seen a woman fight before. I didn't have
anybody in my family that was a boxer. I had
never been to a professional boxing match. I had been
to tough man contest. I don't know why I thought
it was a good idea other than the fact that
people told me I couldn't do it. And I got
that a little bit of if you tell me, I
can't git back.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
So so I'm sorry, Hollyday, but this is a trigging
to be okay, So the.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Tough man kind of processed for you?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
So did was that kind of like, Okay, I'm doing this,
I'm doing pretty good at it. I should I should
go to boxing or or you just it just was
that just a transition out of the blue, and and
that didn't have anything to do with the tough man stuff.
Didn't have anything to do with it, like oh I
might be a box.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
Too, No, not really.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
It was crazy because I did these couple tough my
contests back in Beckley, West Virminia, and and then I
got a call from a professional promoter out of Bristol,
Tennessee that asked me to come fight as girl.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
Well I had won like four.
Speaker 7 (03:22):
Times at the tough man thing, so they didn't want
me to do it anymore. And then I saw I thought,
you know what, I'm about to graduate from college. My
degree is in education. Let me go do this boxing
thing one time. So you know, when you're old like
I am now and people ask you that truth or
dare question, you could always say I guess You'll never
guess what I did. I did one professional boxing match.
(03:44):
So when I did that first fight, I really thought
it was going to be one and done. I had
no intentions of ever having a career being a fighter,
but so I go to Bristol, Tennessee, I fight the
promoter's girl, not understanding the business of boxing. When the
promoter caused you to fight his girl, all the cards
are stacked against right. So I beat the crap out
(04:06):
of this girl, knocked her down.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
And it was a draw, and I'm like, oh, so
hold on, that sucks number one.
Speaker 7 (04:15):
And then I'm like, this is not really not a
good story. I didn't win, I didn't lose. Asked me
what I do a rematch, and I'm like, of course,
So now I have a better story for when I'm
this age and I want to tell people that I
one time did a boxing match. So I went back
and I fought again, like two months later. Never been
in a boxing gym before, never had a coach, never anything.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
But I knocked her.
Speaker 7 (04:35):
Out, and oh my god, was that the greatest feeling
in the world. So I knocked this girl out and
the crowd goes crazy, and I'm like, oh, I love
this boxing. And but still never in a million years
could I imagine that I would be promoted by don
King fighting on those big cards.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
You know, I never even dreamed those dreams.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well, we're going to get to that.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
But I just want to take a step back because
to boxing, prior to the tough man, you very athletic
basketball player, softball player. High school. You're from an area
I went to Mullins. Now that area is produced like
the Kurt Warners, the Nick Sabans, the d'An toni brothers. Like,
what was it during that era that just produced Christy Martin?
(05:20):
What was it during that era that produced such great athletes.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
Well, I'm gonna tell you what produced Mallin's High school
great basketball players was coach Don Knuckles. And if people
here in West Virginia, at least my age, they're gonna
probably remember Don Knuckles being the head coach at Mon's
High School. Harry Brooks, the d'An toni brothers, Jerome Anderson,
Mike Anderson, those guys.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
I mean, it's a little bit of town.
Speaker 7 (05:42):
We're talking about a town of two thousand people, and
you have NBA guys coming there coming out.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Of the school. Unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
So I think that you know, coach Don Knuckles, and
he was like very good and so I got some
of that from him.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
Though that struck a.
Speaker 7 (05:58):
Little bit, you know, and when you beat somebody, let
them know you beat them. And I got a little
bit of that, and I got it from Don Knuckles.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
So and on this show we talk a lot about
youth sports and youth development. So do you think that
just coming from that very athletic background, once you transition
to boxing, you were sort of a step ahead of
the other females in the ring because you were just
in general, you're just a good athlete. Besides, you know,
the talent you developed for boxing.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
I think that, Yes, I think that I had a
little step up at the beginning other women because I
was an athlete, truly an athlete. I played played basketball,
played softball, I played basketball over at Concord. Yeah, so yeah,
I was in a little better shape, had a little
better coordination, and a lot more competitive drive.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
There it is, And I think that and I can
feel that with you, you know understand, And I think
if you are that, if the person is that competitive,
they're not leaving the room without a w you know
what I'm saying. They're not gonna let anybody try to
get in front of them that they're not I don't win.
Speaker 8 (07:01):
So yeah, I was just gonna ask you thank you
so much for being with us tonight. I was so exed.
I was so pumped about this last night. I'm watching
the movie and I'm like, oh gosh, I can't believe this.
But anyway, so you just mentioned Christy that your first
pro fight was a draw, but then your breakthrough fight
came through when you were on the Tyson Bruno card
in March of ninety six.
Speaker 9 (07:21):
Correct, right, yeah, walk us through that. What was that
like for you?
Speaker 8 (07:24):
This girl from coming from small town West Virginia in
the big you know the bright lights?
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Are you kidding me? I'm from Mullins.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
I had eighty six people graduated in my graduatingly excuse me, jeez,
And here I am fighting under Mike Tyson at the
you Jim Grand in Las Vegas. Yes, promoted by you
know the cards, Don King's show. We're on showtime, We're
on pay per view.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
There's not even words to explain how I felt.
Speaker 9 (07:49):
And you overwhelmed?
Speaker 7 (07:50):
I mean you just yeah, of course, because look when
I remember getting into the ring and looking out and
I knew every person in the first couple of rows.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
Did I know the person?
Speaker 5 (08:00):
No?
Speaker 6 (08:00):
I had seen every person on TV.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
I mean, you know, SHA's there, sugary lives there, actors, actresses, everybody.
Everybody's there to see Mike Tyson, but I, you know,
I got the chance to entertain him a little bit
before Tyson came out.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
And did you like understand the gravity of the moment
being that and I believe you were the first female
boxer to be in that spotlight. Did you understand sort
of the history that was being set that night?
Speaker 6 (08:28):
No?
Speaker 7 (08:29):
And I don't think I really understood it until recently,
probably two years ago, when Amanda, Amanda Serrano and.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
Katie Taylor fought in Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
And then I thought about, but what if that fight
hadn't happened in nineteen ninety six right with Sabody and
really got people interested in talking about women's boxing, would
this might have happened? And that's when I started really
realizing that, hey, I had a little input in building
women's boxing. Of course, there were women that had box
before me, way back eighteen hundreds women were boxing, believe
(09:01):
it or not, but no one had ever been given
the opportunity and exposure that Don King gave me.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I'm sorry, now go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 9 (09:09):
What was to Christy?
Speaker 4 (09:12):
I can feel what was it about? Did you ever
did he ever articulate to you. Why you why why
did he pick you to be in that spotlight.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
That's a really great question.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
I mean at the time, for those who don't understand,
Don King was he was boxing.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
He was boxing.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
He had been boxing for thirty own you make that cat.
So did he ever say we're we're putting you in
the spot because never.
Speaker 7 (09:39):
And he never gave me any like I'm gonna give
you a little edge because you're a female boxer.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
No.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
He promoted me just like he did his other the mailboxers.
He put me out there sink or swim. He put
me in opportunities just like he gave mail fighters. If
you go out there and put on a great show,
then you're gonna get the fight again.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
And that was my thing.
Speaker 7 (10:00):
Time I crossed through those ropes, I felt like I
had Don King on my shoulder and that I needed
to show show out and so that he would put
me on the next big show.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
And that's that was kind of like the driving force.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
And when I'd be tired, you know, I gotta keep punching,
keep punching, because Don King's sitting in row one and watching.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Wow and and and your power, you know, and again
I went back. Hollis was like, watch the movie. I said, well,
I've already watched it, but I turned around and watched
it again this morning, okay, And and there was there
was there was a conversation about you and the power
and your punching, and they compare you like to Mike Tyson,
(10:38):
and I'm like, okay, So if someone were to compare
me in the National Football League against somebody that great,
I don't know if if I.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Would ever come off of that cloud? What is that?
Speaker 10 (10:51):
Like?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
What is that? How does that make you feel?
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Because in most in most cases, everybody thinks Mike Tyson
is if nothing, he's the probably the best puncher ever.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
And that's who they're comparing you to. They're saying, that's
who you are.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Like awesome.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
I mean, I'm a big Tyson fan and that's all
like Fraser fan, all the punchers.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
That's why I like to watch.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
So Yes, to be mentioned in that same sentence with
Tyson or any of those punchers is awesome. And and
I do believe that for whatever reason, and part of
them being a puncher, I think is in your mentality,
Like I wanted to hurt people, I wanted there are
some people that.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
Want to just rounds.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
No, I want to knock you out in the first round,
get my check and go home and get the you know,
started on the next the next one, get ready for
the next one.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
I I just wanted to knock people out. That's what
I want to do.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
It's crazy to me to to look at you and
hear what's coming out of your mouth, because it's like,
it doesn't like it's like, well, if you gave her,
I gave her a church hug and she still rock.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Hard and all that food, she probably still got a
nice right hook.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Yeah, I mean, it just doesn't it just it doesn't
seem like the person that I'm looking at, the person
that I'm talking to, is saying this, and I'm watching
it on television and seeing that this was this is
how it is.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
It's crazy to me, That's what I don't.
Speaker 7 (12:19):
Know, if you know, if you guys will remember Lucia Riker,
that was a big fight. It was supposed to be
the first million dollar fight between two women. That was
me and Lucia are supposed to fight each other back
in two or something. But she looked like a dude, right,
and I didn't, So everybody thought she was just going
to destroy me. So looks can be to see the
book by the cover and I do you know, I
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hope that my smile invites people in and then boom.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
That.
Speaker 9 (12:48):
Is perfect.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
So I know, in the parking lot when we were
waiting to come in, Christy, we were talking a little
bit about your promoting events right now for for boxing,
and mainly you're doing it for for male boxing events,
and so we talked a little bit about you know,
with female boxing, what do you what do you envision
for the future of it.
Speaker 9 (13:10):
Do you feel like that.
Speaker 8 (13:10):
It's it's going the way it should be going, or
do you feel like it's going in the wrong direction.
Speaker 9 (13:14):
What's your opinion of that?
Speaker 7 (13:16):
I think I love him or hate him. I think
Jake Paul's doing great things for women's boxing.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
Okay, he has the card.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
Now it's going to be the trilogy with with Taylor
and Soronto happening in Madison Square Garden and on All
Women's Show.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
I don't really like the All Women's Show.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
I think let's don't separate women's boxing from men's boxing.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
Let's just have boxing.
Speaker 7 (13:37):
So let's mix it up and let's have some guys
let's you know, Amanda and Katie Taylor be the main event,
but put some dudes on there too.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Sure, but anyway he's paying them. I mean I think
they're making like double digit millions.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
So yeah, and to that point, I don't like that neither.
I think boxing does a poor job of being one note, right.
I think that you know, if you're gonna have a
big fight, you can have women at various weight classes.
You can have men in various weight classes. Like you
don't have to have an all mid aweight card, all
heavyweight card, all women, all men. I think it's better
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when you mix it up and you have those prominent
fights at each different weight class and gender and everything
like that.
Speaker 7 (14:20):
Because I think that this will a lot of people
are gonna tune in because Taylor Suana is such a
good it's a great fight. It's been a great fight
two times right now, It's gonna be a great fight
the third time.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
And so they're gonna see some of these other female fighters.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
But it's still gonna I think it's still gonna divide
the fans. We're gonna still have some fans that are
not gonna watch because it's all women, and that's just
probably that might be the old school guys. Maybe the
younger male generation will watch it, and then you're, yeah,
it's you're gonna get some of the streaky guys also
gonna watch it.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
I met.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
We gotta call it what it is because early in
my career I had I had guys sending me messages.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
What I them and they wanted to pay me to
spar them. I had freaks like no, no, we like
to see women hit each other. We want to see
and it was a sexual thing. Yeah, so yeah, I
don't know, Yeah, I don't know. That's so that that
part of that keeps playing in my mind when I.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
Think about an all women's card, like I think it's
it hurts women's.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Box And you said something also, you you talked about
somewhat along the same lines that you didn't you don't
necessarily like being considered like the best female boxer. Why
are you just not called a boxer? Why do they
have to put.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
The female part in it?
Speaker 4 (15:42):
So you so, because what you're saying is when you
say it's female, you're saying it's something less than or.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Or whatever.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
Right, I agree with you, well exactly, And that was
the whole thing when when people left the arena, I
wanted them to say.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Wow, Chrissy's a good fighter, a good boxers. I want
to say she's good.
Speaker 8 (16:04):
You think it's because it's been predominantly males. I mean
throughout the years, what people are attracted to on the television,
that's probably why they kind of like categorize it.
Speaker 9 (16:13):
Probably Yeah, yeah, I mean I do.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
I feel like it. Maybe I'm blinded, blinding my own self, but.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
I believe that I did crossover and people started to say, Wow,
she's just a good fighter. And that's what they're saying
about Taylor and Toronto. I mean, they're just good fighters.
It doesn't matter if they're women or sure what.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yes, I see. I would, I would.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
I would slightly disagree with that because I think that
there is a is a space just for like women's sports.
And I would argue, and we've argued on this show
that when I look at women's boxing, it's it's more entertaining.
When I look at women's basketball now, it is more entertaining,
it's it's a better watch.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
So I think it.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
So I think you know, to to to to promote
and and to you know, to say, hey, this is
a women's sport. This is a win things. It's not
necessarily a bad thing. I think where it hurts, to
your point, it hurts when it comes to the final
because they try to lessen it because it's a women's thing,
not because it's it's a better watch, I believe.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
And I'll say that, and I'll say this to agree
with Hollis.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
When when I say female sports, I'm saying it in
a in a in a in a positive. I'm not saying, oh,
it's not a men's thing, you know, it's it's female
and it's something valuable and something that's important. I don't know,
And I and I say that to say to try
to figure out, like the separation, I don't think. I
(17:41):
can't say it's always the separation isn't always negative.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
But I think for the most part, I think it
can be. It can be. It can but I think.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
For most men, and I'll say, especially if you're an athlete,
if you've been an athlete, I think when you're saying female,
she's the best female.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Or she's great, you know, I don't.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
I don't that My intent is not that it's not
like I'm looking at you.
Speaker 8 (18:06):
A lesser as lesser. You're looking at it as the home,
the whole, as the whole.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Yes, And that's why, like in the intro, that's why
when I when I refer to you, I think to
limit you to boxing is very limited in and of itself,
because I think it was a gateway to sports, right,
because a lot of us grew up watching boxing, Right,
that was.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
The big thing.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
That was like the Super Bowl every three months, right,
and we get to see, you know, a female boxer
take the spotlight. And now I think what we're seeing
twenty five thirty years later is just the the proliferation
of female sports. So when you talk about, like I said, basketball, boxing, softball,
to me, it's going to be the next great. Yes,
softball is going to be it, you know, in the future,
(18:50):
I think. So, I just I love the idea of
but I have four daughters, so I'm I'm gonna you
know what I mean. So I just definitely love the
idea of women's and kind of what it represents. But
what I wanted to ask is like kind of going
through your your career, once you get you know, you
have those first couple of fights, you have the you're
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in that spotlight kind of what was your mindset moving
forward as far as like, were you chasing sort of championships,
you chasing the spotlight, or you chasing just straight up
knockouts you just want to be just the best? Or
is like what was your mindset after those first couple
of big fights.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
So it was just I wanted to be the best
that was out there, and at that particular time, the
major organizations didn't even have they didn't recognize women champions.
So the WBC, which is to me, the green belt,
you know, that's the one everybody wants, they actually named
me an honorary champion now sitting. And then a couple
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of years later they started ranking women and started actually
sanctioning their fights, and at WBA did the same thing.
They gave an honorary title. And that was good enough
because I didn't want to fight for the women's titles.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
I didn't.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
I didn't feel like I wanted to be part of boxing.
And what I felt like was part of boxing.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Was the WBC, the WBA, the IVF, those.
Speaker 7 (20:10):
Guys that have been established, not a women's organization. I
wanted to be a fighter, Okay, that makes it right.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
I mean I wanted to be a fighter, So I
didn't give credibility to the women's.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
So did you ever, like what what championships did you
hold during your career?
Speaker 6 (20:25):
The WBC, which the World Boxing Council.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Okay, nice? Hmmm.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
When you look at when you look at sports today
and you see the women's sports, do you have one
that you think, what is your favorite sport?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Is it still boxing or is it something else? And
do you feel like that the that the young ladies
are representing their sports the way that they should.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
Well, I still watch a lot of boxing. I don't
see a lot of women's boxing because it's not.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
You don't see it TV.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
You know. I watched a little bit of basketball because
I think Caitlyn Clark is.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
A bad app.
Speaker 7 (21:10):
But my favorite time of year probably is college football,
you know, Okay.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
When August rolls around, I'm all about Saturday.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
So speaking of just of women's box and I know
one of the sort of the controversies is the time
limit per round. So currently, if you don't know, out there,
women fight two minute rounds. Men fight three minute rounds.
And I think you women's have a max round limit
of ten or is it eight?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
It's ten?
Speaker 5 (21:34):
So what do you think about adding that extra minute,
because a lot of the conversation is like, we'll see
more knockouts if we add the extra minute.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
Okay, So I'm glad you brought that up because when
I first started back in nineteen eighty nine, a long
time ago, I fought three minute rounds because it was
just like the guys, I mean, women's boxing was new.
Somewhere along the line, it got cut down to two
minute rounds, but guess what, I still knocked out thirty
one people.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
So I understand why it's such a big deal. Oh,
we need that extra minute to knock people out. No,
you don't.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
You can knock them out in two minutes if you
can punch and and that's the whole thing, because in
that two to three minute the fight becomes boring, especially
when you get two rounds. Seven eight nineteen. I said, actually, recently,
I'm not sure it would be a bad thing if
the guys started fighting two minute rounds, because some of
the guy fights have been very boring lately.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
And that's in jest. I don't mean that, but.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I agree with that.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
I liked because let's go just go out there and
like punch from bell to bell, let's be exciting. Let's
let's let the fans leave talking about our fights. And
I don't think it's a bad thing. And we're not
gonna get paid more by fighting an extra minute. We're
gonna get paid.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
To say, And one of the like again, I'm I'm
a fan of just boxing a general male female, And
one of like, I like Alicia Bumgardner, I like Christian Seals,
but one of the I guess that the criticisms of
Christian Shields, who probably is at the top of the
pecking order when it comes to women boxing, is just
the lack of knockout power, like.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
From a technical.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
From a technical standpoint, for somebody who knows what, what
do you contribute that to? Because she looks strong, she
looks fit, I mean, but she just lacks knockout power.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
To knock someone out, you have to be willing to
put yourself in position to be knocked out. You cannot
be scared, you cannot have fear, you can't you have
to have the dog in you. You can talk dog
all you want. It's got to show me.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
And see.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
That.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
See to me, that sounds like that sounds like a
football conversation, Like like if I just heard part of
that that could be a football.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Like you either love to hit or you just you
just don't.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
And but I think, but I think that the point
is like you gotta be willing to get hit, exactly hit,
but I'm hit, I don't want to get.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Okay, yeah, you're horrible, you know, for me as and
having a receiver, that receiver's got to be able to
be willing to want to get hit or knows he's
gonna get hit and he's okay, or and or hit me.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
Because I think the keywords are no fear, no fear period.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
You just have to you can't and you cannot have
I just can't.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
To me, boxing would be.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
The sport that you cannot run from, Like if you
get in the ring, like I'm not putting on no gloves,
you you can't. You can't put gloves on me and
sit me on that chair and hit bail and think
I'm coming out.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
But but I think too, Like now I think what
happened is now is that there's a lot of like
branding around everybody. So now the conversation is like, Okay,
I can't afford to take that knockdown. I can't afford
to take that knockout, because even if I win the fight,
it could quote unquote hurt my brand. And I don't
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think that probably existed twenty five thirty years ago.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
It wasn't necessarily like that.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
It was just a Warriors type of sport, where now
it's like it's just a it's a sport.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
And that's why we don't see wars anymore.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
That's why we don't see That's how long has it
been since you were jumping up at your TV, like
right at the front of your TV, like, oh my god,
oh my god, going crazy because the fight is so exciting.
You know somebody's about to get knocked out, and then
you don't know which one.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Somebody and you don't know, you don't know, like for me,
I could be honest, I don't think I know in
the men's division, like I don't know who's the guy
who's knocking everybody out, You know.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (25:59):
Yeah, I think very retired.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
I feel fury and wilder, But I mean even that
fight was a technical mess. But it was like and
I'm talking the first one, not the whatever the second
and third one, but the first one was it has
semblance of that, but that was probably the last ones
I saw that was really like a back and forth.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
That was a great heavyweight fight. I mean they were
both going at it. But yeah, I mean, we just
don't have that warrior mentality. We have a lot of
people talking to a lot of people selling their brand,
a lot of people talking social media crap, but no
one's producing when they get in the ring.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
And that's why I as a.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
Promoter, I just want to find that old school dude
that wants to train his butt off and go out
there and just fight.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
I mean, put on a show for the fans, knock
people out. And I have it.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Victor Hernandez. He's a little one twenty six pounder. He
likes to knock people out and he does a little
shimmy right on.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
Top of him, like at least of my wife. She
manages him and she's like, he needs to stop doing that.
Speaker 7 (26:59):
I'm like, absolutely knocked because everybody leaves here, they either
love him or hating him, it doesn't matter, but they're
going to buy a ticket to see him fight again exactly.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
And I had to shout out Tang Davis too. I
think he has that what I mean, his shots are
devastating to be what.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
One he He is one of those guys that you
sit there, you sit there and you see him getting
out box and you see him losing, and you see
him but you know.
Speaker 9 (27:25):
At one just takes one, just takes one.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
And I think technically sounds sorry you get ready ahead?
Speaker 9 (27:31):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (27:31):
So, so Christy, you're talking about putting yourself out there
to get, you know, possibly knocked out, in order to
knock someone out. So I'm going to take you back
to August twenty third, two thousand and three when you
fought Layla Ali and so that strategy didn't work quite
as well that fight, correct, because I think you guys
went four rounds and.
Speaker 9 (27:50):
She she knocked you out. Did you did you ever
see I took a knee? You took a knee?
Speaker 6 (27:56):
Difference?
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Right?
Speaker 9 (28:04):
Is that a fight that you have ever regretted taking on?
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
No?
Speaker 9 (28:09):
Not, even with the outcome the way it was, you
were good with it.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
Yeah. I just wish I could do it again because
I feel like, I really really feel like it was
whomever hit who first, and she hit me first on
that night. I feel like we would have had you know,
if we would have done it again, I still had
a chance.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
She's big, jumped up a big one pounds right.
Speaker 7 (28:31):
Oh yeah, I went from I was fighting at one
forty two three and then I weighed one sixty two,
which I really lot. I weighed with fatigues on in,
quarters in my pockets, army boots, the whole thing.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
I weighed one forty seven.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
But even And that's one thing I always wondered. I
always wanted to ask a professional boxer because I know
one of my favorite boxer was Roy Jones Junior. I
love Roy Jones Jr. But he lost himself when he
ganged all the weight to move up the heavyweight. Then
he tried to go back down the well to weight.
So physically, when you are going from like a basically
a fifteen to twenty pound difference, how did that? Were
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you sluggage in the fight? Like, how would you like,
how would you assess your physicality during the fight?
Speaker 6 (29:14):
But I really didn't gain the weight. I still was
one forty seven.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Oh you didn't gain it at all?
Speaker 7 (29:18):
No? No, I yea with army fatigues on, boots and
quarters in my pockets.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
So you were twenty pounds lighter.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Okay, that's tough, tough, but I still believed in my
punching power, and I believe that if I hit it
on the chin and I thought I would, you know
that I would, I would win.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
And it is when you when you when you talk
about that, when you're spilling that out to us, is
there something in your mind that says, like I wish
I could have rethought that and done it differently, Like
would you have wanted to maybe gain weight or any
of that.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
No, but I really I I really really thought that Layla,
because she's so big and she's so tall, that she
was gonna come out because she never came out and
like jumped on an opponent. So I really thought she's
gonna use her size, she's gonna jab me. She we're
gonna we're gonna like work into this ten round fight.
That's not what happened. She came right out, jumped on me,
hit me really good on top of my head with
the right hand.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
First round. I was done. She just didn't know I
was done.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
I thought I was sideways and I asked Jim in
my corner, I'm like, am I walking sideways?
Speaker 6 (30:27):
And he said, oh, no, you're fine, You're fine. Well, yeah, no,
I I was done.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
First round wow, and I kept fighting, you know, thinking
it was gonna come back.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
I would get back, but I didn't.
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Speaker 4 (32:03):
Okay, so training, tell me a little bit about what
it took. Let's just say for a huge fight that
you get you're getting ready to fight, how long? And
somewhat of an idea of what you would put yourself through,
not just the boxing piece of it, but like whether
it be running whatever that is, what what commitment did
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you have to put in?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Food wise, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
So food wise is probably the hardest thing because I
love chocolate.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
And I love Mexican food, So it was it was hard,
but yeah, no, I got up every morning early.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
I ran three three and a half miles because Angelo
Dundee said, you're not a runner, you know you're three miles.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
That's what Ali did.
Speaker 7 (32:52):
So I figured if the greatest did it, I'll be okay.
So my little track was three point two actually, and
then I would do sprints and then I would go
to the gym and work about somewhere between twenty and
thirty rounds. That was hand pads, heavy bag, shadow boxing, jumping, rope, speedback,
all those things, and then I would go back to
the gym inspar like three days a week. So you know,
(33:15):
it was just boxing boxing. I watched fights, I watched
my opponent. It was one hundred percent. My focus was
on boxing, So.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
There wasn't much time for any any like. So when
you were off, you were probably more so watching.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
I was never off, I really wasn't.
Speaker 7 (33:30):
I just because Donkey could call me anytime, and when
he called, I was. Actually one time I was home
at Christmas here in West Virginia and he called me
on Christmas Day and told me I was going to
fight January twelfth or fourteenth. So I wow, got in
the car and drove back to Florida to be ready
for the fight.
Speaker 6 (33:50):
The good thing was I was running, I was in shape.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
So because you were, you were still doing all your stuff.
Speaker 7 (33:56):
Always ready, Because how am I going to tell don King, no,
I'm not ready.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
Because you mightn't do that call again.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
Right, So that's one thing I tell my guys, I'm like,
you have to always be ready because some major promoter
might call me and say, hey, we need one hundred
and thirty pounder to fight so and so because some
just fell out.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Be ready, be ready. You have to be ready. You're
a professional fighter. That means that's your job. Be ready
all the time. You have to go to work every day,
whatever you do. Be ready.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
So coming from like I said, the story boxing career
and now you are a promoter, So walk us through
that steps like how did you get involved in promotions
and kind of what are you looking forward to on
that end?
Speaker 6 (34:38):
So I kept trying to find a way to fit
into boxing and what am I going to do? My
career is over. I tried training fighters. No one wants
to work hard enough coaching. Yeah, that wasn't for me.
For me, let me, let me get with the promotion.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
And my goal is to be on somebody's ride that
gets to put one of those title belts around their waist,
because I know how excited.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
That was for me and how I felt so proud, and.
Speaker 7 (35:08):
So I would be so proud to help somebody get
that title and put that around the waist.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Do you find it hard to find the person that
matches up with what you want to be able to
give because and Hollins was talking about coaching, like because
I think players who played and was committed to it
to the game. Today, it's hard to coach because you
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don't you don't feel like you're getting from your players
that the commitment that.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
That you that you feel you want to put in.
Speaker 7 (35:41):
So you want back what you gave and and and
these young guys don't want to give back.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
They don't want to work that hard.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
I actually had a fighter here that was from from Charleston,
Anthony Sevilla.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
On his behalf.
Speaker 7 (35:58):
He called me once and he said, I have an
opportunity to go to fire fighting school and get a
job at the fire department. And I told him, I said, look, Anthony,
you could break your hand tomorrow in the boxing gym
and never be able to fight again.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Go do that. And he did, and so that's his career.
Speaker 7 (36:16):
But I was so excited about Oh, I have this
West Virginia fighter. I had him wearing blue and gold
gloves coming after the country Roads.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
I was excited.
Speaker 7 (36:25):
But that didn't work out. But yeah, that's one of
the things I want from my fighters. I want to
feel like they're working as hard as I work and
put in as much as I did and love it.
You have to love it because normal people do not
get hit in the head for a living.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
But I think that's sort of the missing link. I
think that you can have all the talent, you can
have ability, you can really have everything, but in not
just well particularly boxing, but any combat sport, any you know,
collision sport, you really really really.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Have to love it.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
And I think that's what's separates those professionals from amateurs,
those who are okay good from great. You have to
like love it. You have to be in love with it.
Not only you know just what happens on fight night,
but you have to be in love with probably the
whole process of it.
Speaker 7 (37:15):
Absolutely, And that's the You're so right though about like
social media and all this stuff, the branding, it's just taken.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
I feel like now we have fighters that that's.
Speaker 7 (37:25):
All they're worried about is their brand and their social
media accounts on how many followers they have, and they
forget to go to the gym and learn the basics
and to learn how to be a fighter. But they're
using boxing to promote themselves. I mean, Jake Paul's making
us a lot of money.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
And promoting yourself doesn't necessarily whether and I'm going to
use football promoting yourself, you know, all over Facebook, all
social media.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
It doesn't make you a great player.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Just because you say that, you know you you had
three sacks in a game. That doesn't qualify you as
being a great player, or even a great defensive lineman
for that matter.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
But I think they think if they get a thousand views,
they're good.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
That's all I need.
Speaker 8 (38:18):
Yes, what is a whole different world out there now,
isn't it all of us? It's kind of left me.
But anyway, so Christy, I'm going to go back a
little bit. My husband and I I think we've all
alluded to watching your movie Deal with the Devil, and
and you know, we knew about all your great accomplishments
in boxing and all the things that you did, you know,
(38:39):
in your past career, but we did not have the
idea of the dark times you endured during that period
as well.
Speaker 9 (38:48):
Was that film.
Speaker 8 (38:49):
Difficult for you to make because of that? Because of
the history of the dark times with your ex husband.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
I think it was very important for me to to do.
Speaker 7 (39:01):
As I said, I'm pretty sure. I said this in
the documentary. I haven't watched it for a while, but
I made a deal with God. Went from my hospital
bed and I, you know, God, if you'll just let
me live, I promise you I'll help somebody.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
I'll help one.
Speaker 7 (39:14):
Person before I leave this earth not have to walk
through that same path that I walked. And then, as
I say, the arrogant me came on board and said, no, no, no,
you need to help somebody every day. And that's why
I'm here with you guys. You know, we're going to
talk about domestic bolence a little bit and and hopefully
somebody hears or maybe maybe they just hear about the
(39:35):
boxing story and that'll give them strength at hope if
she can do boxing, because there was no path before.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
There was no one for me to follow, no path.
Speaker 7 (39:42):
Before, right, and I just I believe that I could
get it done, and so hopefully people can that are
in a tough situation with domestic ballence. You can say, wow,
if she did it, and I'm special about her, she says,
a coal miner's daughter from southern West Virginia.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
I can do it. And so that was my deal
with God.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Yeah, and you you should be in you should you
should come into the locker room before a football game
and and and tell that story. And and I mean
that to me, that's something because you're giving away something
that is personal, private, but you make it seem so
(40:26):
inspirational as if it didn't touch you. But here, look,
everybody else, this is how you can get better. And
I don't know if I've I don't know if I've
ever heard you know, I'm gonna give you this, this problem.
I don't know if I've ever heard anybody who's been
an athlete in any sport at any time to find
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that a negative part of your life and make it
into something positive for everybody else.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I don't know if I've ever if somebody's.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Ever hit me with that, and it and I mean
it hits me here in the gut, and I'm like,
you know, it's like that's special.
Speaker 6 (41:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (41:09):
But God left me here for a reason. I mean,
I should not be here. This man stabbed me, punctured
my lung, shot me, missed my heart by two inches.
Speaker 6 (41:18):
I should not be here. But God has a.
Speaker 7 (41:20):
Bigger plan for me, and that's being here with you guys.
You know we're going to talk about domestic violence. We're
going to talk about life. We're going to talk about
doing it, doing it, and whatever doing it is. It
can be numerous things. It could be whatever's happening in
your life. You know, it doesn't matter. We can come,
we can we could cross over any bridge we need to.
Speaker 9 (41:40):
I just needed to follow aud and my life.
Speaker 8 (41:44):
Catch you get this laundry done, Lisa.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
You know what I'm like, so frustrated, like and for
you kidding me? Why do you dust?
Speaker 7 (41:54):
Because it just comes right back by the time you
get to the end of the room, there's dust where
you just let.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
So and again to that point, you walk so many paths,
and you've done so without sort of a path finder,
right you.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
You sort of set these paths.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
And like I said, coming out of southern West Virginia
and rising and not only riding to the top, but
going through the adversity and still coming out on the
other side. Because again I don't I follow boxing pretty closely.
I don't know any too many female promoters at this
point either, So that's another path So and I know
Coach Lee talks about it all the time. Do you
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feel like, just like West Virginia, Like, do you feel
like sometimes it's like, man, they don't know enough of
my story. It's like, do you feel like it's hard
to get it out here? Sometimes like where they should
shouldn't know this because I like I said, I knew,
but I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Before you go. I know he's going jump.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
Yes, let me let me just help before you say it,
so that if anybody who's listening to the show.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
I said it first. Okay.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
I think West Virginia has done a super poor job
on promoting its athletes.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
It's it's people who have.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
Stood up done things and we just don't want to
say it's like we forget them, like we let them
go without any story.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
How do you have a movie?
Speaker 4 (43:30):
Okay? How do you have a movie and there are
kids who still don't know her name? How is that possible?
Whose fault is that? I mean, that's all media. There's
no reason. I'm telling you. I am so happy that
you're here. I'm like, this is like Christmas for me, Okay, And.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
It bothers me.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
I hate that you brought it up, but I'm glad
that you did it because because it it really bothers
me to think that there's a possibility that without you
being on the show. Somebody doesn't know you, somebody missed you,
somebody didn't see your show.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
That makes no sense to me, not in West Virginia.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
Not how huge you are to me in my mind
in West Virginia, what you've done for West Virginia. You
you carried that name every fight.
Speaker 7 (44:30):
I came out to loret Land. I actually went to
see Loretta Land and asked her. I got her blessing
to be the coal miner's daughter. So Jim Martin would
always tell me West Virginia doesn't support you, and I
would fight him because I didn't want to think.
Speaker 6 (44:47):
That West Virginia didn't support me.
Speaker 7 (44:49):
But I and it's a little bit old school, right,
It's still old It was in the nineties especially, and
so there was less people open up to women's boxing
because I was just a woman fighter. If I had
been a man fighter coming from West Virginia, I think
it would have got a lot more support.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Well, I you know, as as a football player, it
didn't work for me, you know what I'm saying, Like
I don't I truly don't feel like there was that
there was that I got any of enough attention to
the career that I had sounds arrogant, but with the
career that I had, I don't feel like the media
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covered me to a point that I could be an
inspiration to another kid, not for me, but just so
that another kid could say, oh, well, Carl Lee, he
came from Old spring Hill down on Greenway.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
He if he could make it, I could make it.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
And to me, my whole, my whole frustration with that
is just because we're not passing on We're not we're
not being able to pass on our our skill set,
our success two kids who may want to dream.
Speaker 5 (46:02):
The same dreams that we dream. And I think it's
to that point, but I think there's a special thing
about coming from West Virginia and you being able to
make it to that sort of limelight where because a
lot of times here the mentality can be smaller and
you don't really think that big, you don't really dream
(46:23):
that big, and then when you have somebody who NFL
pro bo boxing champion, I think it really adds value
to those kids to say, hey, yeah, I'm from this
small town, I'm from this small neighborhood, but I can
do a big world things. And I think part of
our mission on this show is to really highlight that.
Like we had Kurt Warner on the other day, and
(46:44):
you know what I'm saying, So we want to really
give a voice to those West Virginians who really not
only impacted maybe their communities, but impacted their sport, impacted.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
The world through their sport.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
Yeah, and you know, and talking about Kurt, you know,
he's the best, He's the best back in the nation.
He comes out of high school as the best back
of the nation out of Pineville, and you've let him
just fall by the wayside. You don't want to know
anything about his career. Nobody wants to call him and say, hey,
(47:18):
you know, I like to do an interview on you
and talk about you know, your your career. Well we did, yeah,
we did.
Speaker 6 (47:25):
At high school. So he ran lots of touch.
Speaker 4 (47:33):
And here's I played against I played with him in
the North South game, and me and a buddy of mine,
we couldn't wait and I was I told him this story.
We couldn't wait to he because he he was getting
the O. J. Simpson Award, which should have been enough
for us, but we were like, we I want to
see how good he is, right, So we we waited
on him we helped him with his bags and we're like, okay,
we had to wait and see how it gets on
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the field. And as soon as he gets on the field,
we were like, oh, shoot, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
He's he's definitely else.
Speaker 8 (48:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
And and and to me, I feel like you're in
that You're in that situation where you've done something so amazing,
so great, so unbelievable, and and West Virginia is not
celebrating that.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Well, we're celebrating here. Yeah, we are definitely.
Speaker 5 (48:28):
So just before you go, like, tell us just about
your fighters, about your promotion, like what do you have
coming up?
Speaker 2 (48:36):
And and a new book? You got a new book too.
Speaker 7 (48:38):
So I have a book that was written by Ron Borges,
who you guys might know from the from He wrote
Boston Globe all the time, covered football, baseball, everything.
Speaker 6 (48:49):
He's a Hall of Famer actually, Ron Borges.
Speaker 7 (48:51):
So we have the book out, We have the Netflix documentary,
have a movie coming out with Sidney Sweeney playing me Swim, which.
Speaker 6 (48:58):
Is gonna be cool. And I am a promoter.
Speaker 7 (49:03):
So July eighteenth, I will be promoting a show from
Pachanga which is Tamecula California Casino Hotel, Pretty exciting. It's
gonna be on millions dot co if anybody wants to
watch that pay per view. And then we have a
fight coming up at the minor league baseball field.
Speaker 6 (49:19):
The Chihuahuas is.
Speaker 7 (49:21):
In Elfaso, so we have that coming up in October
October fourth.
Speaker 6 (49:26):
This is really important to me.
Speaker 7 (49:27):
October fourth in altamat Springs, Florida, I'm going to be
doing a black tie event for domestic raising money for
domestic violence awareness.
Speaker 6 (49:34):
So that's like, that's the number one thing in my brain.
I want to promote that show.
Speaker 7 (49:40):
And then we have amateur tournament in Tulsa that's September.
Speaker 5 (49:44):
Eleventh, and where can people find you get updates about
all the stuff you have going.
Speaker 6 (49:49):
On, Christy Martin dot net.
Speaker 7 (49:50):
And then I do speaking stuff as well, so I
know my guy's gonna fuss at me if I don't throw.
Speaker 6 (49:55):
That out there.
Speaker 7 (49:56):
I speak at prisons, at high schools, domestic violence centers,
wherever anybody wants to talk about domestic balance. Will allow
me to talk about the domestic balance awareness. I'm all in
one under percents and I always want to help West Virginia,
So anything I can do to.
Speaker 6 (50:11):
Give back to my state. I want to do that.
Speaker 9 (50:13):
She's also a dog lover.
Speaker 8 (50:18):
You'll see a picture of champ on my on my
Facebook page later.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
So I love it all right, Well, anybody have anything else?
Thank you so much, Thank you here. Thank you for
all you represent.
Speaker 5 (50:30):
Like I said, when I saw the story and really
really learned what it was about. Not only like I said,
you just like to me just being that, like I said,
that setting that path to me is just so huge
and coming from where you're coming from and and doing
all the things that you're doing. So I really appreciate you,
and thank you for everything.
Speaker 6 (50:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
I appreciate you. Coming on, so come back.
Speaker 6 (50:55):
When the movie comes out. Let's do it.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
We're holding it that way absolutely all right, all right,
ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna get out of here and uh,
we'll see you again.
Yeah, you gotta work.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
You gotta work.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
By sign it's mine gotta show. Everybody is my time.
Can't you gotta work?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Right son?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Another mile Talking Dogs day line, don't talk, you gotta wurk.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
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Speaker 4 (00:37):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, missus Carl Lee with Let's Talk,
and we have a we have a great guest in today,
and uh, I'm gonna allow my co host, which is
Lise Odie and Hollis Lucy Lewis in the building. I'm
gonna let Hollis introduce them and trust me sit in
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the whole show.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
So we have a West Virginia legend, a pioneer when
it comes to you know, not only women's boxing, but
I would say women's athletics definitely one of probably the
first superstars of women's sports in general. In addition to boxing,
we have Christy Martin, a KA daughter of a coma.
Speaker 6 (01:27):
Here back home in West Virginia.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Well, thank you and thank you for being on the
show and coming in the studio, I just have to
I just have to ask the question because.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I watched the show and.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I'm trying and I'm trying to figure out, like where
did the love.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Of boxing actually?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Like, Like, again, I realized that you kind of just
jumped into it and and and you found you found
that you were just great at it.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
But what was the what was the thing?
Speaker 7 (01:59):
Like?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
When when did you wake up and say, you know what,
boxing is going to be my thing? You know what?
Speaker 7 (02:04):
That is a great question because I'm still I'm still
trying to figure that out.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
I don't know, because it's crazy. I mean, nobody I.
Speaker 7 (02:12):
Had never seen a woman fight before. I didn't have
anybody in my family that was a boxer. I had
never been to a professional boxing match. I had been
to tough man contest. I don't know why I thought
it was a good idea other than the fact that
people told me I couldn't do it. And I got
that a little bit of if you tell me, I
can't git back.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
So so I'm sorry, Hollyday, but this is a trigging
to be okay, So the.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Tough man kind of processed for you?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
So did was that kind of like, Okay, I'm doing this,
I'm doing pretty good at it. I should I should
go to boxing or or you just it just was
that just a transition out of the blue, and and
that didn't have anything to do with the tough man stuff.
Didn't have anything to do with it, like oh I
might be a box.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
Too, No, not really.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
It was crazy because I did these couple tough my
contests back in Beckley, West Virminia, and and then I
got a call from a professional promoter out of Bristol,
Tennessee that asked me to come fight as girl.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
Well I had won like four.
Speaker 7 (03:22):
Times at the tough man thing, so they didn't want
me to do it anymore. And then I saw I thought,
you know what, I'm about to graduate from college. My
degree is in education. Let me go do this boxing
thing one time. So you know, when you're old like
I am now and people ask you that truth or
dare question, you could always say I guess You'll never
guess what I did. I did one professional boxing match.
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So when I did that first fight, I really thought
it was going to be one and done. I had
no intentions of ever having a career being a fighter,
but so I go to Bristol, Tennessee, I fight the
promoter's girl, not understanding the business of boxing. When the
promoter caused you to fight his girl, all the cards
are stacked against right. So I beat the crap out
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of this girl, knocked her down.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
And it was a draw, and I'm like, oh, so
hold on, that sucks number one.
Speaker 7 (04:15):
And then I'm like, this is not really not a
good story. I didn't win, I didn't lose. Asked me
what I do a rematch, and I'm like, of course,
So now I have a better story for when I'm
this age and I want to tell people that I
one time did a boxing match. So I went back
and I fought again, like two months later. Never been
in a boxing gym before, never had a coach, never anything.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
But I knocked her.
Speaker 7 (04:35):
Out, and oh my god, was that the greatest feeling
in the world. So I knocked this girl out and
the crowd goes crazy, and I'm like, oh, I love
this boxing. And but still never in a million years
could I imagine that I would be promoted by don
King fighting on those big cards.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
You know, I never even dreamed those dreams.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well, we're going to get to that.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
But I just want to take a step back because
to boxing, prior to the tough man, you very athletic
basketball player, softball player. High school. You're from an area
I went to Mullins. Now that area is produced like
the Kurt Warners, the Nick Sabans, the d'An toni brothers. Like,
what was it during that era that just produced Christy Martin?
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What was it during that era that produced such great athletes.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
Well, I'm gonna tell you what produced Mallin's High school
great basketball players was coach Don Knuckles. And if people
here in West Virginia, at least my age, they're gonna
probably remember Don Knuckles being the head coach at Mon's
High School. Harry Brooks, the d'An toni brothers, Jerome Anderson,
Mike Anderson, those guys.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
I mean, it's a little bit of town.
Speaker 7 (05:42):
We're talking about a town of two thousand people, and
you have NBA guys coming there coming out.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Of the school. Unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
So I think that you know, coach Don Knuckles, and
he was like very good and so I got some
of that from him.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
Though that struck a.
Speaker 7 (05:58):
Little bit, you know, and when you beat somebody, let
them know you beat them. And I got a little
bit of that, and I got it from Don Knuckles.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
So and on this show we talk a lot about
youth sports and youth development. So do you think that
just coming from that very athletic background, once you transition
to boxing, you were sort of a step ahead of
the other females in the ring because you were just
in general, you're just a good athlete. Besides, you know,
the talent you developed for boxing.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
I think that, Yes, I think that I had a
little step up at the beginning other women because I
was an athlete, truly an athlete. I played played basketball,
played softball, I played basketball over at Concord. Yeah, so yeah,
I was in a little better shape, had a little
better coordination, and a lot more competitive drive.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
There it is, And I think that and I can
feel that with you, you know understand, And I think
if you are that, if the person is that competitive,
they're not leaving the room without a w you know
what I'm saying. They're not gonna let anybody try to
get in front of them that they're not I don't win.
Speaker 8 (07:01):
So yeah, I was just gonna ask you thank you
so much for being with us tonight. I was so exed.
I was so pumped about this last night. I'm watching
the movie and I'm like, oh gosh, I can't believe this.
But anyway, so you just mentioned Christy that your first
pro fight was a draw, but then your breakthrough fight
came through when you were on the Tyson Bruno card
in March of ninety six.
Speaker 9 (07:21):
Correct, right, yeah, walk us through that. What was that
like for you?
Speaker 8 (07:24):
This girl from coming from small town West Virginia in
the big you know the bright lights?
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Are you kidding me? I'm from Mullins.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
I had eighty six people graduated in my graduatingly excuse me, jeez,
And here I am fighting under Mike Tyson at the
you Jim Grand in Las Vegas. Yes, promoted by you
know the cards, Don King's show. We're on showtime, We're
on pay per view.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
There's not even words to explain how I felt.
Speaker 9 (07:49):
And you overwhelmed?
Speaker 7 (07:50):
I mean you just yeah, of course, because look when
I remember getting into the ring and looking out and
I knew every person in the first couple of rows.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
Did I know the person?
Speaker 5 (08:00):
No?
Speaker 6 (08:00):
I had seen every person on TV.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
I mean, you know, SHA's there, sugary lives there, actors, actresses, everybody.
Everybody's there to see Mike Tyson, but I, you know,
I got the chance to entertain him a little bit
before Tyson came out.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
And did you like understand the gravity of the moment
being that and I believe you were the first female
boxer to be in that spotlight. Did you understand sort
of the history that was being set that night?
Speaker 6 (08:28):
No?
Speaker 7 (08:29):
And I don't think I really understood it until recently,
probably two years ago, when Amanda, Amanda Serrano and.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
Katie Taylor fought in Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
And then I thought about, but what if that fight
hadn't happened in nineteen ninety six right with Sabody and
really got people interested in talking about women's boxing, would
this might have happened? And that's when I started really
realizing that, hey, I had a little input in building
women's boxing. Of course, there were women that had box
before me, way back eighteen hundreds women were boxing, believe
(09:01):
it or not, but no one had ever been given
the opportunity and exposure that Don King gave me.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I'm sorry, now go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 9 (09:09):
What was to Christy?
Speaker 4 (09:12):
I can feel what was it about? Did you ever
did he ever articulate to you. Why you why why
did he pick you to be in that spotlight.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
That's a really great question.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
I mean at the time, for those who don't understand,
Don King was he was boxing.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
He was boxing.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
He had been boxing for thirty own you make that cat.
So did he ever say we're we're putting you in
the spot because never.
Speaker 7 (09:39):
And he never gave me any like I'm gonna give
you a little edge because you're a female boxer.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
No.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
He promoted me just like he did his other the mailboxers.
He put me out there sink or swim. He put
me in opportunities just like he gave mail fighters. If
you go out there and put on a great show,
then you're gonna get the fight again.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
And that was my thing.
Speaker 7 (10:00):
Time I crossed through those ropes, I felt like I
had Don King on my shoulder and that I needed
to show show out and so that he would put
me on the next big show.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
And that's that was kind of like the driving force.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
And when I'd be tired, you know, I gotta keep punching,
keep punching, because Don King's sitting in row one and watching.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Wow and and and your power, you know, and again
I went back. Hollis was like, watch the movie. I said, well,
I've already watched it, but I turned around and watched
it again this morning, okay, And and there was there
was there was a conversation about you and the power
and your punching, and they compare you like to Mike Tyson,
(10:38):
and I'm like, okay, So if someone were to compare
me in the National Football League against somebody that great,
I don't know if if I.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Would ever come off of that cloud? What is that?
Speaker 10 (10:51):
Like?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
What is that? How does that make you feel?
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Because in most in most cases, everybody thinks Mike Tyson
is if nothing, he's the probably the best puncher ever.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
And that's who they're comparing you to. They're saying, that's
who you are.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Like awesome.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
I mean, I'm a big Tyson fan and that's all
like Fraser fan, all the punchers.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
That's why I like to watch.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
So Yes, to be mentioned in that same sentence with
Tyson or any of those punchers is awesome. And and
I do believe that for whatever reason, and part of
them being a puncher, I think is in your mentality,
Like I wanted to hurt people, I wanted there are
some people that.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
Want to just rounds.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
No, I want to knock you out in the first round,
get my check and go home and get the you know,
started on the next the next one, get ready for
the next one.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
I I just wanted to knock people out. That's what
I want to do.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
It's crazy to me to to look at you and
hear what's coming out of your mouth, because it's like,
it doesn't like it's like, well, if you gave her,
I gave her a church hug and she still rock.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Hard and all that food, she probably still got a
nice right hook.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Yeah, I mean, it just doesn't it just it doesn't
seem like the person that I'm looking at, the person
that I'm talking to, is saying this, and I'm watching
it on television and seeing that this was this is
how it is.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
It's crazy to me, That's what I don't.
Speaker 7 (12:19):
Know, if you know, if you guys will remember Lucia Riker,
that was a big fight. It was supposed to be
the first million dollar fight between two women. That was
me and Lucia are supposed to fight each other back
in two or something. But she looked like a dude, right,
and I didn't, So everybody thought she was just going
to destroy me. So looks can be to see the
book by the cover and I do you know, I
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hope that my smile invites people in and then boom.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
That.
Speaker 9 (12:48):
Is perfect.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
So I know, in the parking lot when we were
waiting to come in, Christy, we were talking a little
bit about your promoting events right now for for boxing,
and mainly you're doing it for for male boxing events,
and so we talked a little bit about you know,
with female boxing, what do you what do you envision
for the future of it.
Speaker 9 (13:10):
Do you feel like that.
Speaker 8 (13:10):
It's it's going the way it should be going, or
do you feel like it's going in the wrong direction.
Speaker 9 (13:14):
What's your opinion of that?
Speaker 7 (13:16):
I think I love him or hate him. I think
Jake Paul's doing great things for women's boxing.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
Okay, he has the card.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
Now it's going to be the trilogy with with Taylor
and Soronto happening in Madison Square Garden and on All
Women's Show.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
I don't really like the All Women's Show.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
I think let's don't separate women's boxing from men's boxing.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
Let's just have boxing.
Speaker 7 (13:37):
So let's mix it up and let's have some guys
let's you know, Amanda and Katie Taylor be the main event,
but put some dudes on there too.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Sure, but anyway he's paying them. I mean I think
they're making like double digit millions.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
So yeah, and to that point, I don't like that neither.
I think boxing does a poor job of being one note, right.
I think that you know, if you're gonna have a
big fight, you can have women at various weight classes.
You can have men in various weight classes. Like you
don't have to have an all mid aweight card, all
heavyweight card, all women, all men. I think it's better
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when you mix it up and you have those prominent
fights at each different weight class and gender and everything
like that.
Speaker 7 (14:20):
Because I think that this will a lot of people
are gonna tune in because Taylor Suana is such a
good it's a great fight. It's been a great fight
two times right now, It's gonna be a great fight
the third time.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
And so they're gonna see some of these other female fighters.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
But it's still gonna I think it's still gonna divide
the fans. We're gonna still have some fans that are
not gonna watch because it's all women, and that's just
probably that might be the old school guys. Maybe the
younger male generation will watch it, and then you're, yeah,
it's you're gonna get some of the streaky guys also
gonna watch it.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
I met.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
We gotta call it what it is because early in
my career I had I had guys sending me messages.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
What I them and they wanted to pay me to
spar them. I had freaks like no, no, we like
to see women hit each other. We want to see
and it was a sexual thing. Yeah, so yeah, I
don't know, Yeah, I don't know. That's so that that
part of that keeps playing in my mind when I.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
Think about an all women's card, like I think it's
it hurts women's.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Box And you said something also, you you talked about
somewhat along the same lines that you didn't you don't
necessarily like being considered like the best female boxer. Why
are you just not called a boxer? Why do they
have to put.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
The female part in it?
Speaker 4 (15:42):
So you so, because what you're saying is when you
say it's female, you're saying it's something less than or.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Or whatever.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
Right, I agree with you, well exactly, And that was
the whole thing when when people left the arena, I
wanted them to say.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Wow, Chrissy's a good fighter, a good boxers. I want
to say she's good.
Speaker 8 (16:04):
You think it's because it's been predominantly males. I mean
throughout the years, what people are attracted to on the television,
that's probably why they kind of like categorize it.
Speaker 9 (16:13):
Probably Yeah, yeah, I mean I do.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
I feel like it. Maybe I'm blinded, blinding my own self, but.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
I believe that I did crossover and people started to say, Wow,
she's just a good fighter. And that's what they're saying
about Taylor and Toronto. I mean, they're just good fighters.
It doesn't matter if they're women or sure what.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yes, I see. I would, I would.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
I would slightly disagree with that because I think that
there is a is a space just for like women's sports.
And I would argue, and we've argued on this show
that when I look at women's boxing, it's it's more entertaining.
When I look at women's basketball now, it is more entertaining,
it's it's a better watch.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
So I think it.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
So I think you know, to to to to promote
and and to you know, to say, hey, this is
a women's sport. This is a win things. It's not
necessarily a bad thing. I think where it hurts, to
your point, it hurts when it comes to the final
because they try to lessen it because it's a women's thing,
not because it's it's a better watch, I believe.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
And I'll say that, and I'll say this to agree
with Hollis.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
When when I say female sports, I'm saying it in
a in a in a in a positive. I'm not saying, oh,
it's not a men's thing, you know, it's it's female
and it's something valuable and something that's important. I don't know,
And I and I say that to say to try
to figure out, like the separation, I don't think. I
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can't say it's always the separation isn't always negative.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
But I think for the most part, I think it
can be. It can be. It can but I think.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
For most men, and I'll say, especially if you're an athlete,
if you've been an athlete, I think when you're saying female,
she's the best female.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Or she's great, you know, I don't.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
I don't that My intent is not that it's not
like I'm looking at you.
Speaker 8 (18:06):
A lesser as lesser. You're looking at it as the home,
the whole, as the whole.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Yes, And that's why, like in the intro, that's why
when I when I refer to you, I think to
limit you to boxing is very limited in and of itself,
because I think it was a gateway to sports, right,
because a lot of us grew up watching boxing, Right,
that was.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
The big thing.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
That was like the Super Bowl every three months, right,
and we get to see, you know, a female boxer
take the spotlight. And now I think what we're seeing
twenty five thirty years later is just the the proliferation
of female sports. So when you talk about, like I said, basketball, boxing, softball,
to me, it's going to be the next great. Yes,
softball is going to be it, you know, in the future,
(18:50):
I think. So, I just I love the idea of
but I have four daughters, so I'm I'm gonna you
know what I mean. So I just definitely love the
idea of women's and kind of what it represents. But
what I wanted to ask is like kind of going
through your your career, once you get you know, you
have those first couple of fights, you have the you're
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in that spotlight kind of what was your mindset moving
forward as far as like, were you chasing sort of championships,
you chasing the spotlight, or you chasing just straight up
knockouts you just want to be just the best? Or
is like what was your mindset after those first couple
of big fights.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
So it was just I wanted to be the best
that was out there, and at that particular time, the
major organizations didn't even have they didn't recognize women champions.
So the WBC, which is to me, the green belt,
you know, that's the one everybody wants, they actually named
me an honorary champion now sitting. And then a couple
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of years later they started ranking women and started actually
sanctioning their fights, and at WBA did the same thing.
They gave an honorary title. And that was good enough
because I didn't want to fight for the women's titles.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
I didn't.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
I didn't feel like I wanted to be part of boxing.
And what I felt like was part of boxing.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Was the WBC, the WBA, the IVF, those.
Speaker 7 (20:10):
Guys that have been established, not a women's organization. I
wanted to be a fighter, Okay, that makes it right.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
I mean I wanted to be a fighter, So I
didn't give credibility to the women's.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
So did you ever, like what what championships did you
hold during your career?
Speaker 6 (20:25):
The WBC, which the World Boxing Council.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Okay, nice? Hmmm.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
When you look at when you look at sports today
and you see the women's sports, do you have one
that you think, what is your favorite sport?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Is it still boxing or is it something else? And
do you feel like that the that the young ladies
are representing their sports the way that they should.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
Well, I still watch a lot of boxing. I don't
see a lot of women's boxing because it's not.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
You don't see it TV.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
You know. I watched a little bit of basketball because
I think Caitlyn Clark is.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
A bad app.
Speaker 7 (21:10):
But my favorite time of year probably is college football,
you know, Okay.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
When August rolls around, I'm all about Saturday.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
So speaking of just of women's box and I know
one of the sort of the controversies is the time
limit per round. So currently, if you don't know, out there,
women fight two minute rounds. Men fight three minute rounds.
And I think you women's have a max round limit
of ten or is it eight?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
It's ten?
Speaker 5 (21:34):
So what do you think about adding that extra minute,
because a lot of the conversation is like, we'll see
more knockouts if we add the extra minute.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
Okay, So I'm glad you brought that up because when
I first started back in nineteen eighty nine, a long
time ago, I fought three minute rounds because it was
just like the guys, I mean, women's boxing was new.
Somewhere along the line, it got cut down to two
minute rounds, but guess what, I still knocked out thirty
one people.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
So I understand why it's such a big deal. Oh,
we need that extra minute to knock people out. No,
you don't.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
You can knock them out in two minutes if you
can punch and and that's the whole thing, because in
that two to three minute the fight becomes boring, especially
when you get two rounds. Seven eight nineteen. I said, actually, recently,
I'm not sure it would be a bad thing if
the guys started fighting two minute rounds, because some of
the guy fights have been very boring lately.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
And that's in jest. I don't mean that, but.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I agree with that.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
I liked because let's go just go out there and
like punch from bell to bell, let's be exciting. Let's
let's let the fans leave talking about our fights. And
I don't think it's a bad thing. And we're not
gonna get paid more by fighting an extra minute. We're
gonna get paid.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
To say, And one of the like again, I'm I'm
a fan of just boxing a general male female, And
one of like, I like Alicia Bumgardner, I like Christian Seals,
but one of the I guess that the criticisms of
Christian Shields, who probably is at the top of the
pecking order when it comes to women boxing, is just
the lack of knockout power, like.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
From a technical.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
From a technical standpoint, for somebody who knows what, what
do you contribute that to? Because she looks strong, she
looks fit, I mean, but she just lacks knockout power.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
To knock someone out, you have to be willing to
put yourself in position to be knocked out. You cannot
be scared, you cannot have fear, you can't you have
to have the dog in you. You can talk dog
all you want. It's got to show me.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
And see.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
That.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
See to me, that sounds like that sounds like a
football conversation, Like like if I just heard part of
that that could be a football.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Like you either love to hit or you just you
just don't.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
And but I think, but I think that the point
is like you gotta be willing to get hit, exactly hit,
but I'm hit, I don't want to get.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Okay, yeah, you're horrible, you know, for me as and
having a receiver, that receiver's got to be able to
be willing to want to get hit or knows he's
gonna get hit and he's okay, or and or hit me.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
Because I think the keywords are no fear, no fear period.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
You just have to you can't and you cannot have
I just can't.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
To me, boxing would be.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
The sport that you cannot run from, Like if you
get in the ring, like I'm not putting on no gloves,
you you can't. You can't put gloves on me and
sit me on that chair and hit bail and think
I'm coming out.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
But but I think too, Like now I think what
happened is now is that there's a lot of like
branding around everybody. So now the conversation is like, Okay,
I can't afford to take that knockdown. I can't afford
to take that knockout, because even if I win the fight,
it could quote unquote hurt my brand. And I don't
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think that probably existed twenty five thirty years ago.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
It wasn't necessarily like that.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
It was just a Warriors type of sport, where now
it's like it's just a it's a sport.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
And that's why we don't see wars anymore.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
That's why we don't see That's how long has it
been since you were jumping up at your TV, like
right at the front of your TV, like, oh my god,
oh my god, going crazy because the fight is so exciting.
You know somebody's about to get knocked out, and then
you don't know which one.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Somebody and you don't know, you don't know, like for me,
I could be honest, I don't think I know in
the men's division, like I don't know who's the guy
who's knocking everybody out, You know.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (25:59):
Yeah, I think very retired.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
I feel fury and wilder, But I mean even that
fight was a technical mess. But it was like and
I'm talking the first one, not the whatever the second
and third one, but the first one was it has
semblance of that, but that was probably the last ones
I saw that was really like a back and forth.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
That was a great heavyweight fight. I mean they were
both going at it. But yeah, I mean, we just
don't have that warrior mentality. We have a lot of
people talking to a lot of people selling their brand,
a lot of people talking social media crap, but no
one's producing when they get in the ring.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
And that's why I as a.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
Promoter, I just want to find that old school dude
that wants to train his butt off and go out
there and just fight.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
I mean, put on a show for the fans, knock
people out. And I have it.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Victor Hernandez. He's a little one twenty six pounder. He
likes to knock people out and he does a little
shimmy right on.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
Top of him, like at least of my wife. She
manages him and she's like, he needs to stop doing that.
Speaker 7 (26:59):
I'm like, absolutely knocked because everybody leaves here, they either
love him or hating him, it doesn't matter, but they're
going to buy a ticket to see him fight again exactly.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
And I had to shout out Tang Davis too. I
think he has that what I mean, his shots are
devastating to be what.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
One he He is one of those guys that you
sit there, you sit there and you see him getting
out box and you see him losing, and you see
him but you know.
Speaker 9 (27:25):
At one just takes one, just takes one.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
And I think technically sounds sorry you get ready ahead?
Speaker 9 (27:31):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (27:31):
So, so Christy, you're talking about putting yourself out there
to get, you know, possibly knocked out, in order to
knock someone out. So I'm going to take you back
to August twenty third, two thousand and three when you
fought Layla Ali and so that strategy didn't work quite
as well that fight, correct, because I think you guys
went four rounds and.
Speaker 9 (27:50):
She she knocked you out. Did you did you ever
see I took a knee? You took a knee?
Speaker 6 (27:56):
Difference?
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Right?
Speaker 9 (28:04):
Is that a fight that you have ever regretted taking on?
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
No?
Speaker 9 (28:09):
Not, even with the outcome the way it was, you
were good with it.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
Yeah. I just wish I could do it again because
I feel like, I really really feel like it was
whomever hit who first, and she hit me first on
that night. I feel like we would have had you know,
if we would have done it again, I still had
a chance.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
She's big, jumped up a big one pounds right.
Speaker 7 (28:31):
Oh yeah, I went from I was fighting at one
forty two three and then I weighed one sixty two,
which I really lot. I weighed with fatigues on in,
quarters in my pockets, army boots, the whole thing.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
I weighed one forty seven.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
But even And that's one thing I always wondered. I
always wanted to ask a professional boxer because I know
one of my favorite boxer was Roy Jones Junior. I
love Roy Jones Jr. But he lost himself when he
ganged all the weight to move up the heavyweight. Then
he tried to go back down the well to weight.
So physically, when you are going from like a basically
a fifteen to twenty pound difference, how did that? Were
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you sluggage in the fight? Like, how would you like,
how would you assess your physicality during the fight?
Speaker 6 (29:14):
But I really didn't gain the weight. I still was
one forty seven.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Oh you didn't gain it at all?
Speaker 7 (29:18):
No? No, I yea with army fatigues on, boots and
quarters in my pockets.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
So you were twenty pounds lighter.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Okay, that's tough, tough, but I still believed in my
punching power, and I believe that if I hit it
on the chin and I thought I would, you know
that I would, I would win.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
And it is when you when you when you talk
about that, when you're spilling that out to us, is
there something in your mind that says, like I wish
I could have rethought that and done it differently, Like
would you have wanted to maybe gain weight or any
of that.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
No, but I really I I really really thought that Layla,
because she's so big and she's so tall, that she
was gonna come out because she never came out and
like jumped on an opponent. So I really thought she's
gonna use her size, she's gonna jab me. She we're
gonna we're gonna like work into this ten round fight.
That's not what happened. She came right out, jumped on me,
hit me really good on top of my head with
the right hand.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
First round. I was done. She just didn't know I
was done.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
I thought I was sideways and I asked Jim in
my corner, I'm like, am I walking sideways?
Speaker 6 (30:27):
And he said, oh, no, you're fine, You're fine. Well, yeah, no,
I I was done.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
First round wow, and I kept fighting, you know, thinking
it was gonna come back.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
I would get back, but I didn't.
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Speaker 4 (32:03):
Okay, so training, tell me a little bit about what
it took. Let's just say for a huge fight that
you get you're getting ready to fight, how long? And
somewhat of an idea of what you would put yourself through,
not just the boxing piece of it, but like whether
it be running whatever that is, what what commitment did
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you have to put in?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Food wise, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
So food wise is probably the hardest thing because I
love chocolate.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
And I love Mexican food, So it was it was hard,
but yeah, no, I got up every morning early.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
I ran three three and a half miles because Angelo
Dundee said, you're not a runner, you know you're three miles.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
That's what Ali did.
Speaker 7 (32:52):
So I figured if the greatest did it, I'll be okay.
So my little track was three point two actually, and
then I would do sprints and then I would go
to the gym and work about somewhere between twenty and
thirty rounds. That was hand pads, heavy bag, shadow boxing, jumping, rope, speedback,
all those things, and then I would go back to
the gym inspar like three days a week. So you know,
(33:15):
it was just boxing boxing. I watched fights, I watched
my opponent. It was one hundred percent. My focus was
on boxing, So.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
There wasn't much time for any any like. So when
you were off, you were probably more so watching.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
I was never off, I really wasn't.
Speaker 7 (33:30):
I just because Donkey could call me anytime, and when
he called, I was. Actually one time I was home
at Christmas here in West Virginia and he called me
on Christmas Day and told me I was going to
fight January twelfth or fourteenth. So I wow, got in
the car and drove back to Florida to be ready
for the fight.
Speaker 6 (33:50):
The good thing was I was running, I was in shape.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
So because you were, you were still doing all your stuff.
Speaker 7 (33:56):
Always ready, Because how am I going to tell don King, no,
I'm not ready.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
Because you mightn't do that call again.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
Right, So that's one thing I tell my guys, I'm like,
you have to always be ready because some major promoter
might call me and say, hey, we need one hundred
and thirty pounder to fight so and so because some
just fell out.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Be ready, be ready. You have to be ready. You're
a professional fighter. That means that's your job. Be ready
all the time. You have to go to work every day,
whatever you do. Be ready.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
So coming from like I said, the story boxing career
and now you are a promoter, So walk us through
that steps like how did you get involved in promotions
and kind of what are you looking forward to on
that end?
Speaker 6 (34:38):
So I kept trying to find a way to fit
into boxing and what am I going to do? My
career is over. I tried training fighters. No one wants
to work hard enough coaching. Yeah, that wasn't for me.
For me, let me, let me get with the promotion.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
And my goal is to be on somebody's ride that
gets to put one of those title belts around their waist,
because I know how excited.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
That was for me and how I felt so proud, and.
Speaker 7 (35:08):
So I would be so proud to help somebody get
that title and put that around the waist.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Do you find it hard to find the person that
matches up with what you want to be able to
give because and Hollins was talking about coaching, like because
I think players who played and was committed to it
to the game. Today, it's hard to coach because you
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don't you don't feel like you're getting from your players
that the commitment that.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
That you that you feel you want to put in.
Speaker 7 (35:41):
So you want back what you gave and and and
these young guys don't want to give back.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
They don't want to work that hard.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
I actually had a fighter here that was from from Charleston,
Anthony Sevilla.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
On his behalf.
Speaker 7 (35:58):
He called me once and he said, I have an
opportunity to go to fire fighting school and get a
job at the fire department. And I told him, I said, look, Anthony,
you could break your hand tomorrow in the boxing gym
and never be able to fight again.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Go do that. And he did, and so that's his career.
Speaker 7 (36:16):
But I was so excited about Oh, I have this
West Virginia fighter. I had him wearing blue and gold
gloves coming after the country Roads.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
I was excited.
Speaker 7 (36:25):
But that didn't work out. But yeah, that's one of
the things I want from my fighters. I want to
feel like they're working as hard as I work and
put in as much as I did and love it.
You have to love it because normal people do not
get hit in the head for a living.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
But I think that's sort of the missing link. I
think that you can have all the talent, you can
have ability, you can really have everything, but in not
just well particularly boxing, but any combat sport, any you know,
collision sport, you really really really.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Have to love it.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
And I think that's what's separates those professionals from amateurs,
those who are okay good from great. You have to
like love it. You have to be in love with it.
Not only you know just what happens on fight night,
but you have to be in love with probably the
whole process of it.
Speaker 7 (37:15):
Absolutely, And that's the You're so right though about like
social media and all this stuff, the branding, it's just taken.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
I feel like now we have fighters that that's.
Speaker 7 (37:25):
All they're worried about is their brand and their social
media accounts on how many followers they have, and they
forget to go to the gym and learn the basics
and to learn how to be a fighter. But they're
using boxing to promote themselves. I mean, Jake Paul's making
us a lot of money.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
And promoting yourself doesn't necessarily whether and I'm going to
use football promoting yourself, you know, all over Facebook, all
social media.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
It doesn't make you a great player.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Just because you say that, you know you you had
three sacks in a game. That doesn't qualify you as
being a great player, or even a great defensive lineman
for that matter.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
But I think they think if they get a thousand views,
they're good.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
That's all I need.
Speaker 8 (38:18):
Yes, what is a whole different world out there now,
isn't it all of us? It's kind of left me.
But anyway, so Christy, I'm going to go back a
little bit. My husband and I I think we've all
alluded to watching your movie Deal with the Devil, and
and you know, we knew about all your great accomplishments
in boxing and all the things that you did, you know,
(38:39):
in your past career, but we did not have the
idea of the dark times you endured during that period
as well.
Speaker 9 (38:48):
Was that film.
Speaker 8 (38:49):
Difficult for you to make because of that? Because of
the history of the dark times with your ex husband.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
I think it was very important for me to to do.
Speaker 7 (39:01):
As I said, I'm pretty sure. I said this in
the documentary. I haven't watched it for a while, but
I made a deal with God. Went from my hospital
bed and I, you know, God, if you'll just let
me live, I promise you I'll help somebody.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
I'll help one.
Speaker 7 (39:14):
Person before I leave this earth not have to walk
through that same path that I walked. And then, as
I say, the arrogant me came on board and said, no, no, no,
you need to help somebody every day. And that's why
I'm here with you guys. You know, we're going to
talk about domestic bolence a little bit and and hopefully
somebody hears or maybe maybe they just hear about the
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boxing story and that'll give them strength at hope if
she can do boxing, because there was no path before.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
There was no one for me to follow, no path.
Speaker 7 (39:42):
Before, right, and I just I believe that I could
get it done, and so hopefully people can that are
in a tough situation with domestic ballence. You can say, wow,
if she did it, and I'm special about her, she says,
a coal miner's daughter from southern West Virginia.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
I can do it. And so that was my deal
with God.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Yeah, and you you should be in you should you
should come into the locker room before a football game
and and and tell that story. And and I mean
that to me, that's something because you're giving away something
that is personal, private, but you make it seem so
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inspirational as if it didn't touch you. But here, look,
everybody else, this is how you can get better. And
I don't know if I've I don't know if I've
ever heard you know, I'm gonna give you this, this problem.
I don't know if I've ever heard anybody who's been
an athlete in any sport at any time to find
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that a negative part of your life and make it
into something positive for everybody else.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I don't know if I've ever if somebody's.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Ever hit me with that, and it and I mean
it hits me here in the gut, and I'm like,
you know, it's like that's special.
Speaker 6 (41:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (41:09):
But God left me here for a reason. I mean,
I should not be here. This man stabbed me, punctured
my lung, shot me, missed my heart by two inches.
Speaker 6 (41:18):
I should not be here. But God has a.
Speaker 7 (41:20):
Bigger plan for me, and that's being here with you guys.
You know we're going to talk about domestic violence. We're
going to talk about life. We're going to talk about
doing it, doing it, and whatever doing it is. It
can be numerous things. It could be whatever's happening in
your life. You know, it doesn't matter. We can come,
we can we could cross over any bridge we need to.
Speaker 9 (41:40):
I just needed to follow aud and my life.
Speaker 8 (41:44):
Catch you get this laundry done, Lisa.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
You know what I'm like, so frustrated, like and for
you kidding me? Why do you dust?
Speaker 7 (41:54):
Because it just comes right back by the time you
get to the end of the room, there's dust where
you just let.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
So and again to that point, you walk so many paths,
and you've done so without sort of a path finder,
right you.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
You sort of set these paths.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
And like I said, coming out of southern West Virginia
and rising and not only riding to the top, but
going through the adversity and still coming out on the
other side. Because again I don't I follow boxing pretty closely.
I don't know any too many female promoters at this
point either, So that's another path So and I know
Coach Lee talks about it all the time. Do you
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feel like, just like West Virginia, Like, do you feel
like sometimes it's like, man, they don't know enough of
my story. It's like, do you feel like it's hard
to get it out here? Sometimes like where they should
shouldn't know this because I like I said, I knew,
but I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Before you go. I know he's going jump.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
Yes, let me let me just help before you say it,
so that if anybody who's listening to the show.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
I said it first. Okay.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
I think West Virginia has done a super poor job
on promoting its athletes.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
It's it's people who have.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
Stood up done things and we just don't want to
say it's like we forget them, like we let them
go without any story.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
How do you have a movie?
Speaker 4 (43:30):
Okay? How do you have a movie and there are
kids who still don't know her name? How is that possible?
Whose fault is that? I mean, that's all media. There's
no reason. I'm telling you. I am so happy that
you're here. I'm like, this is like Christmas for me, Okay, And.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
It bothers me.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
I hate that you brought it up, but I'm glad
that you did it because because it it really bothers
me to think that there's a possibility that without you
being on the show. Somebody doesn't know you, somebody missed you,
somebody didn't see your show.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
That makes no sense to me, not in West Virginia.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
Not how huge you are to me in my mind
in West Virginia, what you've done for West Virginia. You
you carried that name every fight.
Speaker 7 (44:30):
I came out to loret Land. I actually went to
see Loretta Land and asked her. I got her blessing
to be the coal miner's daughter. So Jim Martin would
always tell me West Virginia doesn't support you, and I
would fight him because I didn't want to think.
Speaker 6 (44:47):
That West Virginia didn't support me.
Speaker 7 (44:49):
But I and it's a little bit old school, right,
It's still old It was in the nineties especially, and
so there was less people open up to women's boxing
because I was just a woman fighter. If I had
been a man fighter coming from West Virginia, I think
it would have got a lot more support.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Well, I you know, as as a football player, it
didn't work for me, you know what I'm saying, Like
I don't I truly don't feel like there was that
there was that I got any of enough attention to
the career that I had sounds arrogant, but with the
career that I had, I don't feel like the media
(45:29):
covered me to a point that I could be an
inspiration to another kid, not for me, but just so
that another kid could say, oh, well, Carl Lee, he
came from Old spring Hill down on Greenway.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
He if he could make it, I could make it.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
And to me, my whole, my whole frustration with that
is just because we're not passing on We're not we're
not being able to pass on our our skill set,
our success two kids who may want to dream.
Speaker 5 (46:02):
The same dreams that we dream. And I think it's
to that point, but I think there's a special thing
about coming from West Virginia and you being able to
make it to that sort of limelight where because a
lot of times here the mentality can be smaller and
you don't really think that big, you don't really dream
(46:23):
that big, and then when you have somebody who NFL
pro bo boxing champion, I think it really adds value
to those kids to say, hey, yeah, I'm from this
small town, I'm from this small neighborhood, but I can
do a big world things. And I think part of
our mission on this show is to really highlight that.
Like we had Kurt Warner on the other day, and
(46:44):
you know what I'm saying, So we want to really
give a voice to those West Virginians who really not
only impacted maybe their communities, but impacted their sport, impacted.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
The world through their sport.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
Yeah, and you know, and talking about Kurt, you know,
he's the best, He's the best back in the nation.
He comes out of high school as the best back
of the nation out of Pineville, and you've let him
just fall by the wayside. You don't want to know
anything about his career. Nobody wants to call him and say, hey,
(47:18):
you know, I like to do an interview on you
and talk about you know, your your career. Well we did, yeah,
we did.
Speaker 6 (47:25):
At high school. So he ran lots of touch.
Speaker 4 (47:33):
And here's I played against I played with him in
the North South game, and me and a buddy of mine,
we couldn't wait and I was I told him this story.
We couldn't wait to he because he he was getting
the O. J. Simpson Award, which should have been enough
for us, but we were like, we I want to
see how good he is, right, So we we waited
on him we helped him with his bags and we're like, okay,
we had to wait and see how it gets on
(47:55):
the field. And as soon as he gets on the field,
we were like, oh, shoot, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
He's he's definitely else.
Speaker 8 (48:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
And and and to me, I feel like you're in
that You're in that situation where you've done something so amazing,
so great, so unbelievable, and and West Virginia is not
celebrating that.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Well, we're celebrating here. Yeah, we are definitely.
Speaker 5 (48:28):
So just before you go, like, tell us just about
your fighters, about your promotion, like what do you have
coming up?
Speaker 2 (48:36):
And and a new book? You got a new book too.
Speaker 7 (48:38):
So I have a book that was written by Ron Borges,
who you guys might know from the from He wrote
Boston Globe all the time, covered football, baseball, everything.
Speaker 6 (48:49):
He's a Hall of Famer actually, Ron Borges.
Speaker 7 (48:51):
So we have the book out, We have the Netflix documentary,
have a movie coming out with Sidney Sweeney playing me Swim, which.
Speaker 6 (48:58):
Is gonna be cool. And I am a promoter.
Speaker 7 (49:03):
So July eighteenth, I will be promoting a show from
Pachanga which is Tamecula California Casino Hotel, Pretty exciting. It's
gonna be on millions dot co if anybody wants to
watch that pay per view. And then we have a
fight coming up at the minor league baseball field.
Speaker 6 (49:19):
The Chihuahuas is.
Speaker 7 (49:21):
In Elfaso, so we have that coming up in October
October fourth.
Speaker 6 (49:26):
This is really important to me.
Speaker 7 (49:27):
October fourth in altamat Springs, Florida, I'm going to be
doing a black tie event for domestic raising money for
domestic violence awareness.
Speaker 6 (49:34):
So that's like, that's the number one thing in my brain.
I want to promote that show.
Speaker 7 (49:40):
And then we have amateur tournament in Tulsa that's September.
Speaker 5 (49:44):
Eleventh, and where can people find you get updates about
all the stuff you have going.
Speaker 6 (49:49):
On, Christy Martin dot net.
Speaker 7 (49:50):
And then I do speaking stuff as well, so I
know my guy's gonna fuss at me if I don't throw.
Speaker 6 (49:55):
That out there.
Speaker 7 (49:56):
I speak at prisons, at high schools, domestic violence centers,
wherever anybody wants to talk about domestic balance. Will allow
me to talk about the domestic balance awareness. I'm all in
one under percents and I always want to help West Virginia,
So anything I can do to.
Speaker 6 (50:11):
Give back to my state. I want to do that.
Speaker 9 (50:13):
She's also a dog lover.
Speaker 8 (50:18):
You'll see a picture of champ on my on my
Facebook page later.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
So I love it all right, Well, anybody have anything else?
Thank you so much, Thank you here. Thank you for
all you represent.
Speaker 5 (50:30):
Like I said, when I saw the story and really
really learned what it was about. Not only like I said,
you just like to me just being that, like I said,
that setting that path to me is just so huge
and coming from where you're coming from and and doing
all the things that you're doing. So I really appreciate you,
and thank you for everything.
Speaker 6 (50:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
I appreciate you. Coming on, so come back.
Speaker 6 (50:55):
When the movie comes out. Let's do it.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
We're holding it that way absolutely all right, all right,
ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna get out of here and uh,
we'll see you again.
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