Carl Lee and Lisa Otey interview the head coaches of The Basketball Tournament (TBT) teams centered right here in the Mountain State, with Ot Elmore of Herd That, and Jarrod West of Best Virginia.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 4 (00:23):
Welcome to Let's Talk with carl Lee. Let's Talk is
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begin on Let's Talk.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, this is Carlee with Let's Talk
and UH today we have uh we're short one of.
Speaker 6 (00:44):
Our we are we miss him.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
Hollis Lewis is not in the studio today, but I
am Carl Lee. I'm one of the co hosts, and
Lisa Odie she is in the studio and has actually
lined up a great group.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Of people to have on the show. So you take
it over.
Speaker 6 (01:05):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (01:05):
I'm so excited so tonight. I don't know if you
guys have heard a buzz in the air here in Charleston,
and it's not the regatta Wheregatta is coming on this
coming Friday, the TBT will be returning to the Charleston
Coliseum and Convention Center. For those of you that don't
know in our audience. The TBT is an acronym for
the Basketball Tournament. It's a unique type of single elimination
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format in basketball. It came into fruition in twenty fourteen
and there are approximately sixty four teams competing for a
one thousand dollars prize. And tonight we are lucky enough
to have two of the head coaches that are affiliated
with the Mountain State and Marshall University's alumni team which
has heard that, and Best Virginia, which is going to
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be later. But I'm going to introduce our first guests,
and that is Aunt Elmore. Welcome ot to the podcast.
Speaker 8 (01:57):
Oh thanks for having me. I'm glad to be on.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Oh so glad to have you.
Speaker 7 (02:00):
So I'm going to give our audience a little bit
of history for you out So audist from Charleston, West Virginia.
He is he is, you know, part of basketball royalty.
We could say he's the son of Jay Elmore and
brother of John and he uh was a former guard
at Marshall University from the years twenty sixteen through twenty eighteen.
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He is also now serving as the GM and head
coach of TBT tournaments.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
Heard that, so I want to ask the first question, Carl.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Well, then I can go on, I can.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
Go on, I can just steal the show.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I'm gonna let you got to run it here a
little bit.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
But you know, my my question is like when you
when you when you're sitting and you're thinking about and
you're hearing someone at let's say, introduce you. The history
of the Elmoares in basketball is really an amazing thing.
And again I hate to say this, but it's probably
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something that has not been talked about enough.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
But what does that feel like.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
When you hear that introduction and you realize what a
legacy that you guys have had.
Speaker 8 (03:18):
I'm really just blessed. You know, one person that you
all forgot to mention as my grandfather who was the
first team All state yeah wall player at Stonewall Jacks
and then a scholarship player at West Virginia University, you know,
following up Jerry West. So from my grandfathers and my
fathers and me and John, we are just extremely blessed,
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and you know, we have a great family legacy, and
you know, we're just fortunate that each of us had
the success that we were able to have.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
That's awesome.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
So we're going to go back a little bit in
your in your career, and we're going to look at
the year twenty fourteen. I know that you and John
were enrolled at vm I and both members of their
basketball team, and some difficulties happened while you were.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
On that team and in that school.
Speaker 7 (04:04):
Could you tell us a little bit about that experience
at vm I.
Speaker 8 (04:09):
Yeah, we were both at v my it was I
had red shirted the previous year waiting for John to
come and we were going to play four years together. Unfortunately,
the first semester his freshman year, which would be my
red shirt freshman year, at this point, my grandfather got
very sick, terminally ill. Unfortunately, me and my brother ended
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up leave him school for that whole semester and coming
home and we lived with him and helped take care
of him. One of us spent the night with him
every night. So it was a tough decision to leave school,
but one that you know, we looked back on and
we're blessed to spent the time with my grandfather that
we did. And ultimately we both were pretty successful and
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I think everything worked out the way it was supposed to.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
When I'd make the case that when you have to
make that type of a decision, which not a lot
of people have ever been in that probably.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Position to have to to pick family.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Over a sport and a sport that you know that
you are really good at and it's possibly going to
bring you a lasting future. I can only compliment you
on on that type of a decision. And I don't
want to ask the question like, was there any point
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in time that you were like, you know, hey, where's
basketball going to be? You know when we get done
with this? You know, because I'm thinking obviously you know,
it's a kind of a cold question, but I think
there's confidence in there and certainty in there that you
guys knew that you know, you could have you could
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have that time with your with your grandfather and and
sports will be fine wherever it ends up being.
Speaker 8 (05:58):
Is that, oh, absolutely exactly right. You know, we didn't
look at it as we're gonna leave school and you know,
this could be, this could be over forever. I think
we were both fairly confident that you know, hey, let's
we're gonna take a break right now, We're gonna go
home be with our grandfather.
Speaker 9 (06:16):
Uh, this is.
Speaker 8 (06:16):
Something we can come back to you know, we we
felt fairly confident that we would be able to come
back to it, and in the end, I think I
speak for both me and John, we ended up making
the right decisions. His path let them to Marshall. My path,
let me, you know, to a school in Texas and
then back to Marshall and ultimately finished up, you know,
making the NCAA tournament at Marshall and a pretty special experience.
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So I think everything worked out exactly how it was
supposed to.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Do you guys think that, because I do. I think
your trip back to Marshall was was really the growth
in Marshall's basketball.
Speaker 8 (06:53):
Yeah, And I wouldn't say it was. It was It
started with coach D'Antoni, to be honest with you. He
came in and Marshall for a while didn't recruit very
many you know, local players to the basketball program. Coach
Santoni came in and he started recruiting immediately the West
Virginia kids. There was Stevie Brownie from Logan, John C. J. Burks,
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Jared West, the son of Jared West that you're gonna
have one here in a little bit, Rondell Watson, and
so not only did he start recruiting local kids, which
sort of built an excitement for the fans. As you know,
you have local kids playing, you're getting more fans support.
It turns out we have some pretty good basketball players
here in West Virginia, and it was the good combinations,
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you know, to lift that program up from where coach
Antoni found it. And it's in a pretty good place now.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
All right.
Speaker 7 (07:42):
So you just touched on this a minute ago out
But let's fast forward to the year twenty eighteen when
you and John contributed to that NCAA basketball tournament run.
It was the first time the heard had been dancing
since nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
I remember it. It was amazing.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
It was so much fun to watch you on the court.
Tell us a little bit about that experience for you.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
And for the team.
Speaker 8 (08:05):
Oh, it was a special, special run. I remember going
down the Conference USA tournament in Frisco, Texas at the
Dallas Cowboys practice facility, and we won our first game,
and playing at the same time as US was the
sort of a thorn in our side was Middle Tennessee State,
who had beat US in the conference championship the year before.
They end up getting upset and it was at that point,
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you know, it was like, oh wow, this really just
opened up for everybody. We were playing our best basketball
of the year. We had won the last couple of
games of the regular season, and in fact, Middle Tennessee
was top twenty five in the country. We won at
their place, So we were on a good little run.
We ran through the conference tournament, played Western Kentucky in
the championship, had a big lead, they cut into it,
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but ultimately we were able to get it done. And
then and then you know, it was just a special week.
And then you go to the NCAA tournament. We got
a great first round matchup that we thought in Wichita
State persunately able to beat them. So it was just
a special, special time and a special thing to be
a part of because that's memories, you know, we'll have
forever and it's just an experience none of us will
ever forget.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Okay, And and we've we've talked, we've talked to different
athletes and and had different types of conversations around the
work ethic that's required to become great. Could you talk
about yours just make you make the case the families
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work work ethic in basketball and what what what kind
of time you spent and what all that you did
to make sure that you guys were going to be
the best that you could possibly be.
Speaker 8 (09:45):
All we worked all the time, and that that was
you know you asked about leaving school. Take care of
our grandfather During the summer while my dad was working
and we weren't in school. My grandfather would pick up
me and my brother every day and take us down
at lunch time and u on the outdoor course of
South Rolston Middle School and put us through an hour
and a half workout every day at lunch, and then
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we'd work out again at night. We'd play one on
one in the driveway or horse in the driveway. So
it's just you gotta love it, and it doesn't then
it doesn't feel like work.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
You know.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
People talk about you have to have a work ethics,
but it's really not grinding it out. It's really just
if you love it and enjoy doing it. The more
time you spend, the more you'll flourish and it'll show.
And uh, we were able to come by it naturally
with my dad and my grandpa. So yeah, we just
spent all the time we had in the gym because
that's what we like to do, and it ended up
paying off for us.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
That's good man, and I have to kind of I've
never really thought of it that way. So I'm glad
that you said it because from we've had we constantly
go back and forth with conversations like this, because my
love for football, like me getting up and running, was
not like a punishing thing. It wasn't like I was
oh gosh or nobody necessarily made me do that. I
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just wanted to be as good as I possibly can,
and I knew that it would take work, and you
didn't need that extra motivation.
Speaker 8 (11:07):
Right, it's my you know, people call it the grind,
and you know I understand that, but you're not really
grinding it, doubt if that's what you like to do.
You know, I'd rather be shooting basketball than you know,
doing anything. So it was it was just what I enjoyed,
and because I enjoyed it, you know, it was that
much easier to do it as much as I wanted to.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Yeah, all right, that that's awesome.
Speaker 7 (11:27):
So so we're gonna We're gonna go to the reason
we have you on the show.
Speaker 9 (11:31):
Now.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
We had to get that history. I could talk about
your your past play and the game. When when you
guys ended up playing WVU in the tournament, that was
that was something that was a thing of beauty and
some of the some of the things that happened. But anyway,
so we're gonna focus now on the TV t So,
you know, in this tournament you have you know, athletes
on teams that are they're just a diverse group coming
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from different styles of play, you know, different schools of thought.
So how do you adopt your coaching style to the
team et format. You've got this mix of former college
and professional players. What do you do to make that team.
Speaker 8 (12:06):
Gel Well, I think the main thing we do is
not so much, you know, not so much as coaching related.
Is we bring the guys in you know, four or
five days in advance. We put them up in a hotel.
We practice a couple of times a day, and it's
not so much practice, But then we do team dinners
where kids are where guys are bringing their kids, where
guys are bringing their wives or girlfriends and just hanging out.
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And more so than the ex'es and o's and basketball
is you know, we have our core group of Marshall
guys that are like brothers from our time at Marshall.
But we've sort of adopted these other guys from the
TVC team into that little family. And I think that's
really our big advantage is guys really like each other.
Speaker 9 (12:46):
You know.
Speaker 8 (12:46):
We'll have JP Tokoto, who's from played at North Carolina,
he's played with us the last couple of years. He
comes in, he'll be playing with John's girls at dinner,
you know, like like that's their uncle JP. So that's
sort of you know, that's sort of the coaching or
chemistry that we tried to build in terms of x's
and o's. These guys are pros. We just let them
go out there and we play the game and you know,
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try to put him in the right direction. But I
think that's where our big advantages is the chemistry that
we've been able to build with our teams.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I see I.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Saw something on I don't know if it was on
Facebook or where it was, but there was a conversation
or an article about not having a like a clipboard
to like draw out your place, like you're just kind
of like writing them down on the floor, you know, And.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Is it that are you that comfortable in the players.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
That you're coaching that, Hey, they're gonna get it.
Speaker 8 (13:46):
Oh absolutely, because you know, John's our point guard, so
he's sort of our coach on the floor. I always
trust him to get everybody in the right spot. But
that's what we look into when we recruit these guys,
is you know, are you good? Are are they good guys?
Mainly because you know they're around everybody's kids, around everybody's
girlfriends and families. So if they're good guys, we bring
them in. And those are the type of guys you
can trust, you know, get stuff done when it starts
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getting tough. And I know what you're talking about. My
grandpa started when he coached my dad. He had a
little piece of chalk and before they had clipboard, and
he would just draw on the sideline a little with
his piece of chalk. And so my dad did that
with us, and you know, he always brings this piece
of chalk and that's just how we get it done.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
You know nowadays, that's that's that's crazy. That's so good
to know.
Speaker 7 (14:31):
So in this tournament, you know, you've got to maintain
team morale. We you know, we we alluded to earlier.
It's unique type of single elimination. There's a lot of
high stakes involved. It's it's intense. So how do how
do you create besides you know, bringing the guys together,
how do you keep the team morale throughout a demanding
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tournament positive? I mean, do you create how do you
create that winning culture in your team?
Speaker 8 (14:57):
Well, I think the winning culture was sort of we
talked about it earlier with Marshall is it's just a
continuation of Coach Santoni. We have guys although they don't
play as much now, Steve Browning, Ryan Taylor, Rondo Watson,
you know, are older, all working real jobs now, not
playing professionally. Those guys may not play a second all game,
but they have good attitudes on the bench over there,
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boosting their teammates up. And that's just something that coach
Santoni said is you know, it's about the team. It's
not about you. It's about you know, it's not about
how far you go in the car ride, It's about
how much you enjoy it. And you guys like that
who just accept their role in our team first, and
that bleeds over to the guys who are playing. If
you know, if the guys who aren't playing are just
there you know, you know, to make sure everything goes
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all right, or having a good time and having a
good attitude. If you're playing and getting time, you know,
you can't help but be positive. And that energy is infectious.
And we have a bunch of good guys on that team,
and uh we recruit we recruit good guys as well,
and that sort of it just sort of builds on itself.
At snowball, it's a snowball effect.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
This this is a little bit off off that path,
But because of what you said, if you were, if
you were talking to a high school coach, maybe even
a college coach who's looking to recruit a player.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Sometimes I think today, the better.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
You are as as an athlete, you know, a coacher
wants you and they'll even sacrifice some of the down
falls that come with that. If you were, if you
were to talk to a coach and say, hey, these
how do you interview a particular player, What do you
sit down and what are you looking for? How do
you evaluate past their skill set? Because I know a
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lot of times when I was recruited back quote back
in the day, the coaches really didn't they they've already
saw what you do as an athlete. Now they want
to try to figure out who you are as a person.
That process I think parents today are not aware of
that that's going to happen. And if your child or
athlete can't can't meet that criteria, Like how important do
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you do you think that is for you guys on
your team and how how how critical is it for
a kid from high school trying to go to college?
Speaker 8 (17:14):
Oh, it's it's extremely critical. I coach college basketball at
Glenville State for a couple of years once I got
done at Marshall as the assistant coach, and that's something
we looked at was, you know, our saying was great
kids do great things. So yes, you can be tremendously talented,
but if you're if you know, if you're doing if
you're not going to class, if you're getting in trouble,
you know it's going to bleed over and infect the court.
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And there's a lot of kids that have talent across
the country. So that's the thing that differentiates these kids
is how good of attitudes you have, what kind of
person you are, because the good tea for are the
ones that you can count on to get things done
when times start getting tough, and uh so that's what
we you know, we we recruited at Glenville like that.
Most colleges do recruit like that, and that's what we
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sort of do with TVT is you want people that
you know, even if you're going to lose some you
want people you're going to enjoy losing with and aren't
going to like turn on each other. And I think
that's one reason we're so successful in this tournament is
even though you know it may go against you for
a little bit, we have guys that rally together and
we always find a way to bounce back.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
That's awesome.
Speaker 7 (18:16):
Okay, So I have a question related to this week's tournament.
I know that you you know, you're aware that Heard
That is in one bracket and you've got Best Virginia
in the other bracket, and it's set up that if
you both teams, you know, respectively, win their games, you
would face each other on Sunday, which in the state
of West Virginia it's kind of viewed as a rivalry game.
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Do you guys feel that like kind of vibe that
it's it's not just Best Virginia versus Heard That, but
it's more like Marshall versus WVU. Do you feed off
of that type of like energy in the crowd.
Speaker 8 (18:55):
Well, yes, we feed off the energy in the crowd
because the crowd is amazing. You know, the people just
love basketball. They come out. But we've you know personally,
you know, we play up to it, but we think
that rivalry is a little you know, overblown because in
the summers, we know those West Virginia guys, they know us.
You know, we play pick up together in the summer.
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We like those guys. I like to think they like us.
So you know, it's not a bad blood rivalry between us.
We both sides realize, you know, the schools are the
two schools in West Virginia. But you know those those
are good guys on that side and we get along
with them. And I would hope that, you know, next year,
if he keeps going forward, they put us a little
bit farther in the bracket, maybe we meet in the
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championship instead. Right, Yeah, but that energy will be electric
at the Civic.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
Center for sure.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
Okay, so we've appreciated your time. We're about to let
you go. Do you is there anything you want to
share with our audience, what you're doing now as far
as business or anything.
Speaker 8 (19:53):
Yeah, I'm a turn in Froston. So if anybody needs
any illegal help, come on down see me. I have
an office in downtown Charston. But outside of that, I
just hope people come out support. We play at six
on Friday, best Virginia plays at eight. Come out root
us both on and then hopefully come out Sunday and
see another heck of a game.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Can't wait to see it? All right, well, thank you,
all right.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Man, we appreciate you being on.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
No, thank you.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
All all right, ladies and gentlemen. We'll take a quick
break and we will be right back.
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Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, you gotta work, You gotta work.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Ry Sin is mine gotta show. Everybody is my sign
you gotta work. Cry shin another mind? Who taga die
this day? Line?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Don't tell you gotta Burt.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
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Speaker 3 (21:27):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back Lisa.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
You know, one of the interesting things about about the
conversation that we have had just here recently, I'm learning
more so about athletes that are that are great. Like
if you listen to this his conversation right like you
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you don't even get that, like you don't get to
feel like of a person who has some kind of
like great history in basketball.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
It's like he's just kind of like talking.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
And I think that that, to me, I think is
so important that you don't get that they're not full
of their selves, but they know that they know how
great they have been, but they don't throw it at you, right,
It doesn't come across like they're saying that.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
The ego and arrogance is out the window. It seems
like when they come on the air with us, which
is refreshing. Yes, it's not the persona of the athletes
some of the athletes you see on television, let's just
put it that way. I do feel like he is
genuine and he was very human about telling his experience
with his grandfather and the VM I think, and I
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think that was just such a dynamic and selfless thing
that they did to put their basketball. They could have
possibly ruined what they had well at VMI, you know,
And what they did was they put their career, their
future on hold to care for a loved one. And
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to me, that just speaks volumes about the kind of
character that Odd has.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
That and family and and and.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
The family and family absolutely.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
And you know, you would think, to your to your point,
you would think that that most people would be like, no,
just you know, he would want you to play. He
would want you to play, so go play, you know,
And and I could see that convincing me to go,
you know. But it was it was so important for
them that there seems to be that there was no
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conversation happening that was going to stop us from because
can can you imagine being a coach? Can you imagine
being a team of teammates like you want, you need
these guys.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Yeah, And I'm not sure what time of year that occurred.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
I don't know if it was in basketball season, but
you know, definitely they weren't there.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
When they weren't it began or ended.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
So another dynamic that I thought was interesting in our conversation.
It's always the same with when you ask players about rivalries.
The rivalries don't exist. And you've even said this, the
rivalries exist between fans. The players all seem to know
each other and get on. And I'll be interested because
I would like to present that question to our next
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guest as well and see what his perspective is. But
to the fans that you know, go to Marshall and
go to WVU when they play each other, it's a
big deal. But to you know, to the players, they
all they all kind of connect and know each other,
and you know they play hard, but it's not the kind.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Of and I think there's also the respect of the
of the of that of that player. So if I'm
if we're rivals, you know, but I know you you know,
so you know, I'm going to go.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
Social media has changed a lot of that. I think
social media it's not like it used to be, like
they can all connect.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
I think social media has taken away that good battery
indifferent you know. But you know, even even the friendship
that you know we had Sterling Sterling sharp one not
too long ago.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
And and the Viking packer raval.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Is that's yeah, yeah, it's constant, you know, you being
a packer brand.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
We joke back and forth about it.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
But but then don'te.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
Calpepper when you told him, was like, ah, that's okay, yeah,
you know, I mean, I guess it's just the whole
attitude of the of the player, of.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
The players of the player.
Speaker 11 (25:25):
Do you guys think that maybe the especially I think
back to like nineties TV, do you think that media
has had a play in sort of creating this almost
larger than life persona for a lot of these players,
Because I'm what I'm with you, Carl. I think, as
we've had these different folks on on your podcast every week,
it seems like humble is the best description for so
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many of these guys. And I think there's maybe this
kind of disconnect on from a fan perspective of thinking, well,
you know, they're a professional athlete, or they've they've done whatever,
so they're this larger than life personally, we forget that
they're all still human at the end of the day.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Yes, And and I think the other piece to that
that's that that that that we need to consider is
when you're on the field, you are that player. You
are everything and anything that somebody has said great about you.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
You're trying to to to confirm that.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
But as soon as you walk off, take your helmet off,
take your cleats off, it's work. It's it was work, right,
I'm off work, so you know.
Speaker 7 (26:32):
At yeah, yeah, it's not that you don't love it,
it's just that that's what you do. And then when
you leave the it's just like when you're at work
or doing anything in life. You have different personalities and
different faces for different audiences.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
And I think that excuse me, I'm sorry, no, I
was gonna say I And one where I think it
is hard for athletes to to figure that out is
when they're young, Like a high school athlete that's really
good he or she a lot of times it's all
about me, and I think that you know, they don't
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know that yet, and at some point in time you
have to get to and I think when you get
into a pro locker room, you have to realize that
every single person in that room is great and you're
just part of the greatness that we can achieve together
because I can't. Yeah, it's the teamwork thing. I can't
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do this thing out here. I can cover a guy
all day long, but they if they throw somewhere else
and score a touchdown and we lose, what what good
was it for me to think, Hey, at list, I
covered my guy. You know what happened to the guy
on the other side, you know? And I really do.
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I can appreciate, you know, that understanding and that humbleness
that comes with that, and and.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
You can you can feel it, you could just have.
You can't fake that, No, you.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
You can't fake being humble and human, like you said, Matt,
I mean, it's just something that I've been pleasantly surprised
with a lot of our guests. I'm glad we brought
that up because it's been like, you expect something maybe
a little more. And to Matt's point, you know, what
you see on media is a whole different picture of
them painted compared to win they're in person.
Speaker 11 (28:24):
Well, I think we forget to I mean, there's still
twenty four hours in a day. There are what sixteen
seventeen NFL football games a year. What are you doing
for the rest of that three hundred and sixty five?
I mean, even when you were in the league, Carl,
you probably still went home and had to occasionally do
the dishes or laundry.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
I'm sure Donna never asked him to do that.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I watched clothes this morning. I mean a show.
Speaker 11 (28:51):
It's a silly thing to think about, But I mean
it's regardless of what you do day in and day out.
As as you said as your job, We're all still
doing a lot of the same day to day stuff,
regardless of whether you're going to an NFL stadium to
clock in for the day, or you're here recording at
the radio station or working down the street at.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
The coffee shop.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah, you're doing.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Yeah, that's a perfect way to say it.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Yeah, all right, let's take another quick break and we
will be right back.
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Speaker 3 (30:22):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back on the
break and.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Miss Odie is going to going to introduce everyone to
our next.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Game, our caravan of TBT coaches. Tonight.
Speaker 7 (30:35):
I love it so Our next coach is currently the
head coach for the TBT team coming to the Coliseum
on Friday, Best Virginia. I'll give you a little history
for this for this prestigious coach. He's a former mountaineer
who played at West Virginia between the years of nineteen
ninety four nineteen ninety eight. He averaged ten point six
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points per game is senior season, and he is currently
a head coach of the Notre Dame High school basketball program.
And he returns to lead the Best Virginia team after
a break from it. He was their initial coach in
twenty nineteen. So welcome Jared West to the podcast.
Speaker 9 (31:15):
Oh, thank you God, thank you, Thank you guys for
having me.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Thank you So, Jared, this is Caraley. How are you man.
Speaker 9 (31:21):
I'm doing great, doing great. I've heard great things about you.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
They're not true.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
Please don't tell him that, Jared. Come on.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
So I've got one question, because I would always get questions,
and I've tried, I've taken my turn trying to be
a coach and all that kind of stuff. What got
you into the coaching realm? What is it and what
makes you love it?
Speaker 9 (31:51):
So I never expected to be a coach. When I
married my wife, she's from Clarksburg, West Virginia, and I
started doing basketball training, which I have. I love to
do because I love kids and just having to train
the principal of Notre Dame High School and she said,
you know what, you would be a great coach, and
I said, well, I'm kind of old school. I'm big
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on accountability and discipline and struct She did that type
of thing and so I tried it, and to be
honest with you, I immediately fell in love with it.
It's the closest thing to playing. It is very very hard,
especially especially for someone who played at a high level,
because you see things that you know should happen, but
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they might not in that way. So that's about That
was my hardest adjustment. But fell in love with it.
To be able to mentor kids, uh to now I've
been coaching enough that I'm I'm training kids that I've coached,
Their kids are coming through. I've been invited to weddings.
It is the best thing in the world because you
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never know how much impact you have on on on kids.
And my mom, when I told her what I was doing,
she said, that's your ministry, that's uh. That's your way
that you can uh mentor and and speak God into
people's lives. And uh so I've taken it and run
with it. And I've been blessed to have administration who
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have allowed me to be me, which which is very
very important. If you're a situation where you can't be yourself,
it's miserable when you have people that back you, that
allow you to be yourself. So it's been great for me.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
That's good, that's that's amazing.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
So so Jared, let's go back in the day for
a minute before we fast forward to the TV T
Let's just go back to your playing days in Morgantown.
So you were fortunate enough to be a player under
the realm of Gail Catlet.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
What was it like playing for Gail back back then?
Speaker 9 (33:51):
Oh, man kitty cat we called him that, it was.
He was an interesting guy. He was he was if
he was a great exces and old guy. If you
did well, he if we call the time out and
he designed to play, If we did it, we normally
got a pretty good shot of score. He was a
great He was a great guy. Miss Stannis, who recently passed,
was his lovely wife. She was the nicest woman in
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the world. She would bring us cookies for every road trip.
I mean, she was the best. But Coach Kelly was great,
and I tell that. I'll tell all the young guys
like John and Dayshawn, when when we first started with
the TBT and they got this new practice facility. I
tell a story that when back in the day before
n I L and all that stuff, me and Brent
Solheim and Damian Os we come to the coliseum and
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we beg and plead and knock on the door. Nobody
would let us in. Got practice facilities, and they got
managers that come rebound. I mean, you talk about the
title kids, But anyway, it was. It was great. My
junior year, we should have gone to the NCAA Tournament,
and we ended up goingting to the n I t
which was a great experience, but it kind of set
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our senior class up for a big time run we
had sixteen years. We went to the Sweet sixteen. I
was blessed to make a shot that people still talking
about the day and I tell.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
People, pay no, no, you go ahead, sir, you go ahead.
I'm teasing.
Speaker 9 (35:19):
I get rolling. Great. It was great playing on the
coach calling because The most important thing that I like
is I had a special special relationship with the fans.
People don't yes you did them. They don't understand the
the great fans and the great people of West Virginia.
If you would have told me I was going to
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move from Mississippi and never go home, you I ought
to tell you you were crazy because I'd never heard
of West Virginia really before I got here. I heard
of as Harris because they just played yes the boat.
So for me to be here twenty five plus years,
it's a lot due to coach calling and him bringing
me in and my great senior class I was with.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
When you when you when you think back on that
during that time, where where did you did you? Could
you foresee yourself being who you are now.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Because of your coach?
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Because I know when when when Sunny Randall came into
Marshall University and was doing all this yelling and screaming, man,
I was like, who is this dude? I like, man,
this dude ain't gonna have no kind of impact on me.
But to this day, man, I feel like he is
the catalyst of who I am.
Speaker 9 (36:42):
That's a grass One of the best questions anybody's ever
asked me, And I'm gonna give you the PG version
because I have an X rated version, which you probably
have also. Yes, but ask your question. If you would
have told me my freshman year how things it up,
I would I would have thought you were crazy. It was.
(37:05):
It was not an easy road for me. Yeah, it
was not an easy road. But yes, I give it
all the good because it was Adversity in life is
something that until you face it, you don't know how
to deal with it. And I was a big fish
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coming out of high school and when I got here,
it was rough, and it took me a year or
so to deal with, like to kind of handle the adversity.
And once I matured, it was the best thing in
the world for me because it made me a better husband,
a better father. It taught me that life wasn't easy,
and it actually prepared me for my senior year and
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for that moment because as you know, as a as
a college player, I mean, game day of sweet everything
else is rough. It's not what. It's not as fun
and and easy everybody might think it is. So I
had to learn tough, tough skin, and I was blessed
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to have a good group of guys around me my
senior year and we went to the Sweet sixteen and
you know, me and Coach Contay's relationship was was very
interesting up and down. But I can't I can't stress
enough how it molded me as a man, how the
experiences that that I that I went through with him.
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Once again, everything wasn't good. It was easy, but it
made me understand and like you know, life isn't always fair.
You got to continue to work and be diligent in
your process. So but yeah, I would have never thought
my freshman and sophomore year that it would end up
the ways it did.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
I'm gonna promise, I'm gonna give you a chance to
get in. I'm telling you.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
But but to your point, I have I have the
similar story. Like when I go to Minnesota the second year,
there's a coach they bring in, this new coach, Less Steckel,
and he's talking about he's going to be doing all
this kind of stuff, We're going to be working hard.
You need to come up to Minnesota because if you don't,
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you're not going to be able to make it through
the running all the running tests and all this kind
of stuff. And I'm like thinking to myself, Man, I
was with Sonny Randall and what I do know is
I know how to train. And I can't imagine any
of these dudes. I don't care what school you played for.
There's no way that you had to run like I
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had to run at Marshall University and you. And I
told him, I said, look, I'm not coming. I'll come
with camp because you're not paying this. You know, you're
not paying us to come, You're not putting this up.
I can't do that, so I'll come with the season,
but trust me, I'll be ready. And I got there
and it it was a shame because I felt like
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this was I was.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
It was harder for me in colleagues than this was right,
you know, right.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
But I only say that because there are these coaches
who you think you could you you want to hate
them because you don't like the yelling and the screaming
and all of that, but you have no idea of
where and when that's going to impact you and save
you in the future.
Speaker 9 (40:26):
Right, And that's and you're you're you're exactly right. You're
you're you're spot on on that, You're spot on it.
It's amazing the life lessons you learn through the adversity
and emoes you. And I hear myself saying a lot
of things to my kids, and I look at it
and I smile because I'm like, when you're the one
here and that you're like, man, this guy's crazy olds you,
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It mows you. It does it does, Yes, it does.
Speaker 7 (40:53):
So So, Jared, I'm going to go back to that
buzzer beating basket against the Cincinnati bear cat Cats in
the second round of the NCAA Tournament in nineteen ninety eight.
It propelled your team into the sweet sixteen. Walk us
through that play. What was going through your head? There's
that last second shot.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Did you know you were going to take the shot?
Did you know you were going to go?
Speaker 9 (41:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, okay, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
I was hat Oh yeah, okay. I didn't want to
kill you.
Speaker 9 (41:25):
No, No, I got big enough shoulders to win it,
to live and die with the make or miss. That's
how I was raised as a kid. So, to be
honest with you, what I was thinking about is my
sophomore year we played Georgetown. We were up eighteen and
ended up losing the first Big East game. I made
a big turnover late they end up winning the game.
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My freshman year, the crowd was about to storm the floor.
Were playing you mass They had Marcus Camby and Lou
Rowe and we wrote fifteen and national TV game. They
were number one team in the country and we end
up losing that game. Uh, helical helicopter. But he made
he made back to back three and I'm as soon
as that second three went in, I'm thinking those two
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guys justice. This is a true story. Those two games
flashed through my head as I'm getting the ball from
Brian from from Brian Loewill, because I'm thinking this is
the last game I might play. And so when I
got the ball, you know, uh, one of our transition
players that we that we that we ran a lot
of simple high screens. Uh. I give the credit a
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big b because he he switched the screen at at
the last minute. And when I came off the screen,
I actually thought I was going to have a clean
look at it, and uh, because I was reading his man.
But Ruben Patterson's great friend of mine who played in
Bit for lost that Ruben saw the screen and he
came from basically the opposite wing, and when I jumped,
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I didn't know he shipped it until later. But when
it was as soon as I jumped, I saw him jump,
and so I just reached up and shot the ball
as high as I could. And when I really he said,
I saw was online and I knew it had a chance.
And like I said, that day, you know, God God
did the rest.
Speaker 6 (43:07):
There were many couches burned that day, you know.
Speaker 7 (43:10):
That, right.
Speaker 9 (43:12):
Listen, if I had a dollar for every time from
where they were, I'll be.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Sill through it for sure, for sure.
Speaker 9 (43:19):
And a great story to go along with this. So
my brother, my older brother, got married that day and
I was supposed to be his best man. And obviously
he wasn't expected we was gonna be in the n
c A tournament. So they were in the church and
they were delaying the service, and then back in the
day they didn't you know. He was looking at one
of those little small you know, eight by eight. Yeah,
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And when I went up to shoot the shot, it
feez out, And when it came back, they said they
saw Dwayne Lewis carrying me off the floor. I thought
that was a great story.
Speaker 6 (43:53):
It was a great story.
Speaker 9 (43:55):
It was a it was a great story from great
great day for the for the West House.
Speaker 6 (43:58):
It was so great. I remember the play. It was awesome.
Speaker 7 (44:00):
But let's fast forward to the TVT since that's that's
you know, what we're what we're here to talk about.
But you know, taking into account first of all, if
you are audience that's not familiar with the TVT, could
you kind of give us a one on one, you know,
just a real basic definition of how the elm ending
works in the TBT.
Speaker 9 (44:21):
Yes, I think it's brilliant and and cargn t talk
to a too. Uh in any sport that in any
sport there's a time and so sometimes you can just
milk the clock and it's played the you know, you
can barely just you can let the clock run out
and sometimes you can sneak a win. The elam inning
is beautiful because you know they stopped the clock and
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it's no time. You have to actually go score points,
you have to create offense. So it's actually I would
love for the NBA Top It would be interesting if
they would ever try to or college because you know,
and you know, you get in a situation where you
just milk the clock and run for five seconds off
the shot clock of thirty seconds and you just kind
of stall the game out, whereas in the elam ending
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you have to continue to play basketball, you had to
continue to score, and it kind of just it makes
it another game in itself. I love it, and it
creates so much drama and because like I said, you
just can't milk the clock. You have to go score.
You got to go make some baskets. You gotta and
it actually it makes you become a better coach because
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you have to what's the time.
Speaker 6 (45:27):
Frame on that chaired?
Speaker 7 (45:29):
I don't mean to interrupt, but what's the timeframe? Is
that the last how many minutes of the game?
Speaker 9 (45:33):
But does that take the last four minutes of the game? Yeah,
they stop it, and then I think it's either is
it great seven? I think that it's seven points or
nine points from wherever the leading they had nine points
to wherever who's leading?
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (45:49):
Right, yes, yes, so yes so Greg he said, if
you're sixty four fifty eight, the winning score will be
seventy three. So then it puts a lot of yeah,
a lot of strategies of all, but it makes you
have to continue to play. So I enjoy, I enjoy.
Speaker 5 (46:06):
All Right, I'm going to ask just I think This
will probably maybe be our last question. But one of
the one of the things that I find interesting in
sports now when I when I when I look at
it is it's it seems different to me. It's like,
I don't know if you have you know, and I
think there you know, there are coaches who coach team
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work and.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
They can maybe find it there.
Speaker 5 (46:31):
But typically for me when I'm when I look around
at sports, there's there seems to be this individualized focus
of me. You know, I'm good. I want to go
to college. I want to go to the pros. I
want to go to high school. I want to be
the start the school. Tell me what what you what
you see? And and how do we? How do we?
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Is there a way to fix it?
Speaker 9 (46:57):
Question? And I've become I never really consider myself an
old school type guy, but the older I get, I
feel like I'm looking. It is hard for me nowadays
to even watch sports because it's it's the level was different.
But I was I was raised you work hard to
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get what you get. The entitlement is just it wears
me out. It's different. To answer your question, I don't
know if we can backtrack it. To be honest with you,
because with nil they opened up the wild wild West,
and I mean, I just don't know. If I don't know,
if you can the NCAA has I don't want to.
(47:38):
They've done a bad job, but they've done that. And
this this is coming from a former player who you know,
trust me, I would have loved to have a little money.
But I mean there has to be a cap. There
has to be some type of limitations. I mean, just
from a coaching STANDFO, you can't coach some of these
guys because some of these guys are making more money.
(47:59):
Like it's it's just it's just different. It's different. And
if you if you if you start a freshman, guess
what he might transfer. If you tell a freshman you
you sit behind an experience, y'all, he might transfer. What
do you do than if you don't? Thank if you do,
it's just a different day. And that's why you see
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a lot of older coaches getting out because it goes
probably against everything in their DNA of how things are
going now. So yeah, that's that's it's gonna take a
special group of people that can fix it or rectify
because I don't know, if I don't think it will
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ever get better, to be honest with you, I.
Speaker 5 (48:41):
Don't know how it can for the simple fact that
you know, you've got You've got guys playing college ball
that are making more money than some of the guys
who play professional ball. So I don't even have to
have a dream to play professional I'm good once I
come out of college.
Speaker 9 (48:57):
So why would you leave? Like hundred he was, he
played ten years in college? Why would he leave? Yeah,
you know, I I just thought, I'm being like, uh,
you know, a Mondo Bay and I just saw a
kid and sign in Texas Tech three year, five point
one million outside linebacker, and I'm thinking, I mean, you know,
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that's to your point, he's making more. He's making more
than some undrafted free agents have signed two or three
years in the NFL. Like it's it's yeah. And And
the thing that it really frustrates me is it affects
the highspool kids trying to come out who uh it
really well, it hit close to home with me when
COVID hit so little Jared was a he was able
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to get an extra year. He went to Louisville. My
son Jayden, So would you rather bring in Jaden who's
a senior in high school or Jared who's the fiftieth singers.
So it affected it affected so many high school kids.
And it's you know, it's it's just you know, and
now they're changed situate. Juco kids might not lose a year,
which I mean, I love, but I mean, what do
you what are we doing? You got kids gonna be
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twenty six, twenty seven years old still then and guess
what why what? While what I leave if I'm making
some money too, So I just don't know what we're thinking.
I don't I don't understand the adults in the room
that's making those sustains. Right, It's like, you know, they're
what's the what's the worst thing we can do for
college sports? And that's what they're doing. And once again,
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I played college sports and wish I had a little money,
But once again, you don't. I mean, you know, these guys,
it's crazy because this is.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Not a little bit of money. This is this is
life changing money.
Speaker 9 (50:39):
Crazy money. Yeah, and I'm gonna go a step bigger,
life changing money. And I'm okay. I can see the
guys who are all league I'm talking about and I
hate to use the word bumps, but like I'm talking
about average guys.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 9 (50:55):
I mean I look you look at it. I'm like,
this guy's making what I'm thinking, this guy average four
points last year. This guy had fifteen catches last year.
Speaker 8 (51:03):
Like what are we talk?
Speaker 9 (51:05):
Like, what are we doing? It's bastling.
Speaker 5 (51:08):
It's really pay off of potential. It's it's payoff for potential.
Speaker 9 (51:11):
Really, yes, and Michael George said it a long time.
You know these you're giving these guys stuff that they
haven't earned it, you know they I mean like the
kid for Tennessee, I think he's a pretty good quarterback. Okay,
we I mean he's young, but like he's turning down
you know, like, so what are we doing? He's turned
down two or three million because he's gonna get four millions,
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Like what are we doing? Like you know what enough
is enough? Like put a put a cap on it
so that these coaches can actually coach, just don't hold accountable.
Like right, it's just the while you it's the wild
wild West, and it's sad because yes it was slightly broken,
but it wasn't as broke as we made it, true.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Right, coach.
Speaker 11 (51:54):
This is producer Matt thinking about kind of this nil
stuff and sort of going back to the team b T.
Do you do you think that something like the TVT
Tournament do you think that is kind of a sort
of a testament to getting back to the roots of
sports and sort of why people play the game?
Speaker 9 (52:16):
Right? I love it and that that's a great question.
And I think the tv T does a great job
of Listen, we're going to the park, you go play,
You bring your crew. I bring my crew and we went.
You know that that's that's the type of mentality that
it brings. Uh. And you win, you advance, you lose,
you go home, and if you win six, you win
a prize. You know. So I love it because it
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makes it It makes it like back to childhood, you know,
like we go, we go hoop and Jared West likes
to be shooting. So yeah, I love the concept of it.
Speaker 5 (52:49):
All Right, all right, well man, we'll let you get
We know you're busy. We'll let you get back to
what you're doing. And we appreciate you giving us your time.
Speaker 6 (52:58):
Thanks Jared so much, appreciate it. Good luck, all right.
Speaker 5 (53:03):
Bye bye, all right, ladies and gentlemen. Oh Lisa, yes
that was good, Okay.
Speaker 6 (53:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
Well, I got to give you the you brought him.
You got both of them. More is he groveling at you?
Speaker 6 (53:21):
Please write this down? Would you please note it somewhere.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
I'll tell you what. I'll even I was gonna say.
Speaker 6 (53:26):
Video recorded. I want to listen to it over and now.
Speaker 5 (53:28):
I'll broadcast it even well if you if you're got
to do that, I need to change my mind.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
At least you got to step it up. No, that
was no.
Speaker 5 (53:38):
Those those two conversations were really really important. And I
think too for parents, for kids who who who should
listen to this and and hear some of this conversation
because I think it's really valuable and important for them
to understand some of the things that were said tonight.
Speaker 7 (53:58):
And once again, and I'll go back to it's a
reoccurring theme with our guests. I mean that we all
seem to view these these changes we're all, you know,
and like like Jared said, I think it's because we're
all becoming older and our values become different. Because when
you're younger, you know things, things are, your lifestyles different,
you're you know, your.
Speaker 6 (54:18):
Way of looking at things.
Speaker 7 (54:19):
The older you get, the more you see that you
know what those older people in our lives, trying to
give us, instilling us these values. They were right after all,
even at the time we thought they weren't right.
Speaker 11 (54:29):
I think it's a testament to that. You know, you
don't always have to have a big end game for sports.
I mean, you may make it to college, you may
make it to the pros, you might not. But it
doesn't mean that you have to stop playing just because
you didn't reach that big dream.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
You know. Sports is a lifestyle basically. Yeah, And I.
Speaker 5 (54:46):
Think too you hear from some of these guys whose
careers were great but ended at a certain point and
get into coaching, and what do they do. They coach
what they were coached, you know, and and they're discipline
and they're all of those kinds of things. They know
that's what needs to be there in order for you
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to have any kind of measure of success, of success.
Speaker 6 (55:11):
They go back to their grassroots for sure.
Speaker 3 (55:13):
Yes, for sure.
Speaker 7 (55:14):
And if you haven't been to the TVT, I highly
recommend it, even if you're not a huge basketball fan.
Speaker 6 (55:20):
It is exciting, it is fun. The elam ending is amazing.
Speaker 7 (55:24):
So you know, if you're you're in the audience and
you're kind of on the fence about it.
Speaker 6 (55:27):
Go check it out. It's really fun.
Speaker 5 (55:29):
Well, ladies and gentlemen, we'll get out of here today
and we will be back again soon
Yeah, you gotta work.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
You gotta work, y son. It's mine gotta show. Everybody
is my son. You gotta work, right son? Another mom
who talking dogs day line, don't talk.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
You gotta Burt.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Welcome to Let's Talk with carl Lee. Let's Talk is
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Real results, Frank Walker Law dot Com. Let that conversation
begin on Let's Talk.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, this is Carlee with Let's Talk
and UH today we have uh we're short one of.
Speaker 6 (00:44):
Our we are we miss him.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
Hollis Lewis is not in the studio today, but I
am Carl Lee. I'm one of the co hosts, and
Lisa Odie she is in the studio and has actually
lined up a great group.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Of people to have on the show. So you take
it over.
Speaker 6 (01:05):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (01:05):
I'm so excited so tonight. I don't know if you
guys have heard a buzz in the air here in Charleston,
and it's not the regatta Wheregatta is coming on this
coming Friday, the TBT will be returning to the Charleston
Coliseum and Convention Center. For those of you that don't
know in our audience. The TBT is an acronym for
the Basketball Tournament. It's a unique type of single elimination
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format in basketball. It came into fruition in twenty fourteen
and there are approximately sixty four teams competing for a
one thousand dollars prize. And tonight we are lucky enough
to have two of the head coaches that are affiliated
with the Mountain State and Marshall University's alumni team which
has heard that, and Best Virginia, which is going to
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be later. But I'm going to introduce our first guests,
and that is Aunt Elmore. Welcome ot to the podcast.
Speaker 8 (01:57):
Oh thanks for having me. I'm glad to be on.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Oh so glad to have you.
Speaker 7 (02:00):
So I'm going to give our audience a little bit
of history for you out So audist from Charleston, West Virginia.
He is he is, you know, part of basketball royalty.
We could say he's the son of Jay Elmore and
brother of John and he uh was a former guard
at Marshall University from the years twenty sixteen through twenty eighteen.
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He is also now serving as the GM and head
coach of TBT tournaments.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
Heard that, so I want to ask the first question, Carl.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Well, then I can go on, I can.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
Go on, I can just steal the show.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I'm gonna let you got to run it here a
little bit.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
But you know, my my question is like when you
when you when you're sitting and you're thinking about and
you're hearing someone at let's say, introduce you. The history
of the Elmoares in basketball is really an amazing thing.
And again I hate to say this, but it's probably
(03:03):
something that has not been talked about enough.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
But what does that feel like.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
When you hear that introduction and you realize what a
legacy that you guys have had.
Speaker 8 (03:18):
I'm really just blessed. You know, one person that you
all forgot to mention as my grandfather who was the
first team All state yeah wall player at Stonewall Jacks
and then a scholarship player at West Virginia University, you know,
following up Jerry West. So from my grandfathers and my
fathers and me and John, we are just extremely blessed,
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and you know, we have a great family legacy, and
you know, we're just fortunate that each of us had
the success that we were able to have.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
That's awesome.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
So we're going to go back a little bit in
your in your career, and we're going to look at
the year twenty fourteen. I know that you and John
were enrolled at vm I and both members of their
basketball team, and some difficulties happened while you were.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
On that team and in that school.
Speaker 7 (04:04):
Could you tell us a little bit about that experience
at vm I.
Speaker 8 (04:09):
Yeah, we were both at v my it was I
had red shirted the previous year waiting for John to
come and we were going to play four years together. Unfortunately,
the first semester his freshman year, which would be my
red shirt freshman year, at this point, my grandfather got
very sick, terminally ill. Unfortunately, me and my brother ended
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up leave him school for that whole semester and coming
home and we lived with him and helped take care
of him. One of us spent the night with him
every night. So it was a tough decision to leave school,
but one that you know, we looked back on and
we're blessed to spent the time with my grandfather that
we did. And ultimately we both were pretty successful and
(04:52):
I think everything worked out the way it was supposed to.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
When I'd make the case that when you have to
make that type of a decision, which not a lot
of people have ever been in that probably.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Position to have to to pick family.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Over a sport and a sport that you know that
you are really good at and it's possibly going to
bring you a lasting future. I can only compliment you
on on that type of a decision. And I don't
want to ask the question like, was there any point
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in time that you were like, you know, hey, where's
basketball going to be? You know when we get done
with this? You know, because I'm thinking obviously you know,
it's a kind of a cold question, but I think
there's confidence in there and certainty in there that you
guys knew that you know, you could have you could
(05:51):
have that time with your with your grandfather and and
sports will be fine wherever it ends up being.
Speaker 8 (05:58):
Is that, oh, absolutely exactly right. You know, we didn't
look at it as we're gonna leave school and you know,
this could be, this could be over forever. I think
we were both fairly confident that you know, hey, let's
we're gonna take a break right now, We're gonna go
home be with our grandfather.
Speaker 9 (06:16):
Uh, this is.
Speaker 8 (06:16):
Something we can come back to you know, we we
felt fairly confident that we would be able to come
back to it, and in the end, I think I
speak for both me and John, we ended up making
the right decisions. His path let them to Marshall. My path,
let me, you know, to a school in Texas and
then back to Marshall and ultimately finished up, you know,
making the NCAA tournament at Marshall and a pretty special experience.
(06:39):
So I think everything worked out exactly how it was
supposed to.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Do you guys think that, because I do. I think
your trip back to Marshall was was really the growth
in Marshall's basketball.
Speaker 8 (06:53):
Yeah, And I wouldn't say it was. It was It
started with coach D'Antoni, to be honest with you. He
came in and Marshall for a while didn't recruit very
many you know, local players to the basketball program. Coach
Santoni came in and he started recruiting immediately the West
Virginia kids. There was Stevie Brownie from Logan, John C. J. Burks,
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Jared West, the son of Jared West that you're gonna
have one here in a little bit, Rondell Watson, and
so not only did he start recruiting local kids, which
sort of built an excitement for the fans. As you know,
you have local kids playing, you're getting more fans support.
It turns out we have some pretty good basketball players
here in West Virginia, and it was the good combinations,
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you know, to lift that program up from where coach
Antoni found it. And it's in a pretty good place now.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
All right.
Speaker 7 (07:42):
So you just touched on this a minute ago out
But let's fast forward to the year twenty eighteen when
you and John contributed to that NCAA basketball tournament run.
It was the first time the heard had been dancing
since nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
I remember it. It was amazing.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
It was so much fun to watch you on the court.
Tell us a little bit about that experience for you.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
And for the team.
Speaker 8 (08:05):
Oh, it was a special, special run. I remember going
down the Conference USA tournament in Frisco, Texas at the
Dallas Cowboys practice facility, and we won our first game,
and playing at the same time as US was the
sort of a thorn in our side was Middle Tennessee State,
who had beat US in the conference championship the year before.
They end up getting upset and it was at that point,
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you know, it was like, oh wow, this really just
opened up for everybody. We were playing our best basketball
of the year. We had won the last couple of
games of the regular season, and in fact, Middle Tennessee
was top twenty five in the country. We won at
their place, So we were on a good little run.
We ran through the conference tournament, played Western Kentucky in
the championship, had a big lead, they cut into it,
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but ultimately we were able to get it done. And
then and then you know, it was just a special week.
And then you go to the NCAA tournament. We got
a great first round matchup that we thought in Wichita
State persunately able to beat them. So it was just
a special, special time and a special thing to be
a part of because that's memories, you know, we'll have
forever and it's just an experience none of us will
ever forget.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Okay, And and we've we've talked, we've talked to different
athletes and and had different types of conversations around the
work ethic that's required to become great. Could you talk
about yours just make you make the case the families
(09:31):
work work ethic in basketball and what what what kind
of time you spent and what all that you did
to make sure that you guys were going to be
the best that you could possibly be.
Speaker 8 (09:45):
All we worked all the time, and that that was
you know you asked about leaving school. Take care of
our grandfather During the summer while my dad was working
and we weren't in school. My grandfather would pick up
me and my brother every day and take us down
at lunch time and u on the outdoor course of
South Rolston Middle School and put us through an hour
and a half workout every day at lunch, and then
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we'd work out again at night. We'd play one on
one in the driveway or horse in the driveway. So
it's just you gotta love it, and it doesn't then
it doesn't feel like work.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
You know.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
People talk about you have to have a work ethics,
but it's really not grinding it out. It's really just
if you love it and enjoy doing it. The more
time you spend, the more you'll flourish and it'll show.
And uh, we were able to come by it naturally
with my dad and my grandpa. So yeah, we just
spent all the time we had in the gym because
that's what we like to do, and it ended up
paying off for us.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
That's good man, and I have to kind of I've
never really thought of it that way. So I'm glad
that you said it because from we've had we constantly
go back and forth with conversations like this, because my
love for football, like me getting up and running, was
not like a punishing thing. It wasn't like I was
oh gosh or nobody necessarily made me do that. I
(10:58):
just wanted to be as good as I possibly can,
and I knew that it would take work, and you
didn't need that extra motivation.
Speaker 8 (11:07):
Right, it's my you know, people call it the grind,
and you know I understand that, but you're not really
grinding it, doubt if that's what you like to do.
You know, I'd rather be shooting basketball than you know,
doing anything. So it was it was just what I enjoyed,
and because I enjoyed it, you know, it was that
much easier to do it as much as I wanted to.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Yeah, all right, that that's awesome.
Speaker 7 (11:27):
So so we're gonna We're gonna go to the reason
we have you on the show.
Speaker 9 (11:31):
Now.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
We had to get that history. I could talk about
your your past play and the game. When when you
guys ended up playing WVU in the tournament, that was
that was something that was a thing of beauty and
some of the some of the things that happened. But anyway,
so we're gonna focus now on the TV t So,
you know, in this tournament you have you know, athletes
on teams that are they're just a diverse group coming
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from different styles of play, you know, different schools of thought.
So how do you adopt your coaching style to the
team et format. You've got this mix of former college
and professional players. What do you do to make that team.
Speaker 8 (12:06):
Gel Well, I think the main thing we do is
not so much, you know, not so much as coaching related.
Is we bring the guys in you know, four or
five days in advance. We put them up in a hotel.
We practice a couple of times a day, and it's
not so much practice, But then we do team dinners
where kids are where guys are bringing their kids, where
guys are bringing their wives or girlfriends and just hanging out.
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And more so than the ex'es and o's and basketball
is you know, we have our core group of Marshall
guys that are like brothers from our time at Marshall.
But we've sort of adopted these other guys from the
TVC team into that little family. And I think that's
really our big advantage is guys really like each other.
Speaker 9 (12:46):
You know.
Speaker 8 (12:46):
We'll have JP Tokoto, who's from played at North Carolina,
he's played with us the last couple of years. He
comes in, he'll be playing with John's girls at dinner,
you know, like like that's their uncle JP. So that's
sort of you know, that's sort of the coaching or
chemistry that we tried to build in terms of x's
and o's. These guys are pros. We just let them
go out there and we play the game and you know,
(13:06):
try to put him in the right direction. But I
think that's where our big advantages is the chemistry that
we've been able to build with our teams.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I see I.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Saw something on I don't know if it was on
Facebook or where it was, but there was a conversation
or an article about not having a like a clipboard
to like draw out your place, like you're just kind
of like writing them down on the floor, you know, And.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Is it that are you that comfortable in the players.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
That you're coaching that, Hey, they're gonna get it.
Speaker 8 (13:46):
Oh absolutely, because you know, John's our point guard, so
he's sort of our coach on the floor. I always
trust him to get everybody in the right spot. But
that's what we look into when we recruit these guys,
is you know, are you good? Are are they good guys?
Mainly because you know they're around everybody's kids, around everybody's
girlfriends and families. So if they're good guys, we bring
them in. And those are the type of guys you
can trust, you know, get stuff done when it starts
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getting tough. And I know what you're talking about. My
grandpa started when he coached my dad. He had a
little piece of chalk and before they had clipboard, and
he would just draw on the sideline a little with
his piece of chalk. And so my dad did that
with us, and you know, he always brings this piece
of chalk and that's just how we get it done.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
You know nowadays, that's that's that's crazy. That's so good
to know.
Speaker 7 (14:31):
So in this tournament, you know, you've got to maintain
team morale. We you know, we we alluded to earlier.
It's unique type of single elimination. There's a lot of
high stakes involved. It's it's intense. So how do how
do you create besides you know, bringing the guys together,
how do you keep the team morale throughout a demanding
(14:52):
tournament positive? I mean, do you create how do you
create that winning culture in your team?
Speaker 8 (14:57):
Well, I think the winning culture was sort of we
talked about it earlier with Marshall is it's just a
continuation of Coach Santoni. We have guys although they don't
play as much now, Steve Browning, Ryan Taylor, Rondo Watson,
you know, are older, all working real jobs now, not
playing professionally. Those guys may not play a second all game,
but they have good attitudes on the bench over there,
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boosting their teammates up. And that's just something that coach
Santoni said is you know, it's about the team. It's
not about you. It's about you know, it's not about
how far you go in the car ride, It's about
how much you enjoy it. And you guys like that
who just accept their role in our team first, and
that bleeds over to the guys who are playing. If
you know, if the guys who aren't playing are just
there you know, you know, to make sure everything goes
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all right, or having a good time and having a
good attitude. If you're playing and getting time, you know,
you can't help but be positive. And that energy is infectious.
And we have a bunch of good guys on that team,
and uh we recruit we recruit good guys as well,
and that sort of it just sort of builds on itself.
At snowball, it's a snowball effect.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
This this is a little bit off off that path,
But because of what you said, if you were, if
you were talking to a high school coach, maybe even
a college coach who's looking to recruit a player.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Sometimes I think today, the better.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
You are as as an athlete, you know, a coacher
wants you and they'll even sacrifice some of the down
falls that come with that. If you were, if you
were to talk to a coach and say, hey, these
how do you interview a particular player, What do you
sit down and what are you looking for? How do
you evaluate past their skill set? Because I know a
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lot of times when I was recruited back quote back
in the day, the coaches really didn't they they've already
saw what you do as an athlete. Now they want
to try to figure out who you are as a person.
That process I think parents today are not aware of
that that's going to happen. And if your child or
athlete can't can't meet that criteria, Like how important do
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you do you think that is for you guys on
your team and how how how critical is it for
a kid from high school trying to go to college?
Speaker 8 (17:14):
Oh, it's it's extremely critical. I coach college basketball at
Glenville State for a couple of years once I got
done at Marshall as the assistant coach, and that's something
we looked at was, you know, our saying was great
kids do great things. So yes, you can be tremendously talented,
but if you're if you know, if you're doing if
you're not going to class, if you're getting in trouble,
you know it's going to bleed over and infect the court.
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And there's a lot of kids that have talent across
the country. So that's the thing that differentiates these kids
is how good of attitudes you have, what kind of
person you are, because the good tea for are the
ones that you can count on to get things done
when times start getting tough, and uh so that's what
we you know, we we recruited at Glenville like that.
Most colleges do recruit like that, and that's what we
(17:57):
sort of do with TVT is you want people that
you know, even if you're going to lose some you
want people you're going to enjoy losing with and aren't
going to like turn on each other. And I think
that's one reason we're so successful in this tournament is
even though you know it may go against you for
a little bit, we have guys that rally together and
we always find a way to bounce back.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
That's awesome.
Speaker 7 (18:16):
Okay, So I have a question related to this week's tournament.
I know that you you know, you're aware that Heard
That is in one bracket and you've got Best Virginia
in the other bracket, and it's set up that if
you both teams, you know, respectively, win their games, you
would face each other on Sunday, which in the state
of West Virginia it's kind of viewed as a rivalry game.
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Do you guys feel that like kind of vibe that
it's it's not just Best Virginia versus Heard That, but
it's more like Marshall versus WVU. Do you feed off
of that type of like energy in the crowd.
Speaker 8 (18:55):
Well, yes, we feed off the energy in the crowd
because the crowd is amazing. You know, the people just
love basketball. They come out. But we've you know personally,
you know, we play up to it, but we think
that rivalry is a little you know, overblown because in
the summers, we know those West Virginia guys, they know us.
You know, we play pick up together in the summer.
(19:16):
We like those guys. I like to think they like us.
So you know, it's not a bad blood rivalry between us.
We both sides realize, you know, the schools are the
two schools in West Virginia. But you know those those
are good guys on that side and we get along
with them. And I would hope that, you know, next year,
if he keeps going forward, they put us a little
bit farther in the bracket, maybe we meet in the
(19:37):
championship instead. Right, Yeah, but that energy will be electric
at the Civic.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
Center for sure.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
Okay, so we've appreciated your time. We're about to let
you go. Do you is there anything you want to
share with our audience, what you're doing now as far
as business or anything.
Speaker 8 (19:53):
Yeah, I'm a turn in Froston. So if anybody needs
any illegal help, come on down see me. I have
an office in downtown Charston. But outside of that, I
just hope people come out support. We play at six
on Friday, best Virginia plays at eight. Come out root
us both on and then hopefully come out Sunday and
see another heck of a game.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Can't wait to see it? All right, well, thank you,
all right.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Man, we appreciate you being on.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
No, thank you.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
All all right, ladies and gentlemen. We'll take a quick
break and we will be right back.
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Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, you gotta work, You gotta work.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Ry Sin is mine gotta show. Everybody is my sign
you gotta work. Cry shin another mind? Who taga die
this day? Line?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Don't tell you gotta Burt.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Welcome to Let's Talk with Carl Lee. Let's talk is
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Speaker 3 (21:27):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back Lisa.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
You know, one of the interesting things about about the
conversation that we have had just here recently, I'm learning
more so about athletes that are that are great. Like
if you listen to this his conversation right like you
(21:52):
you don't even get that, like you don't get to
feel like of a person who has some kind of
like great history in basketball.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
It's like he's just kind of like talking.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
And I think that that, to me, I think is
so important that you don't get that they're not full
of their selves, but they know that they know how
great they have been, but they don't throw it at you, right,
It doesn't come across like they're saying that.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
The ego and arrogance is out the window. It seems
like when they come on the air with us, which
is refreshing. Yes, it's not the persona of the athletes
some of the athletes you see on television, let's just
put it that way. I do feel like he is
genuine and he was very human about telling his experience
with his grandfather and the VM I think, and I
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think that was just such a dynamic and selfless thing
that they did to put their basketball. They could have
possibly ruined what they had well at VMI, you know,
And what they did was they put their career, their
future on hold to care for a loved one. And
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to me, that just speaks volumes about the kind of
character that Odd has.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
That and family and and and.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
The family and family absolutely.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
And you know, you would think, to your to your point,
you would think that that most people would be like, no,
just you know, he would want you to play. He
would want you to play, so go play, you know,
And and I could see that convincing me to go,
you know. But it was it was so important for
them that there seems to be that there was no
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conversation happening that was going to stop us from because
can can you imagine being a coach? Can you imagine
being a team of teammates like you want, you need
these guys.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Yeah, And I'm not sure what time of year that occurred.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
I don't know if it was in basketball season, but
you know, definitely they weren't there.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
When they weren't it began or ended.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
So another dynamic that I thought was interesting in our conversation.
It's always the same with when you ask players about rivalries.
The rivalries don't exist. And you've even said this, the
rivalries exist between fans. The players all seem to know
each other and get on. And I'll be interested because
I would like to present that question to our next
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guest as well and see what his perspective is. But
to the fans that you know, go to Marshall and
go to WVU when they play each other, it's a
big deal. But to you know, to the players, they
all they all kind of connect and know each other,
and you know they play hard, but it's not the kind.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Of and I think there's also the respect of the
of the of that of that player. So if I'm
if we're rivals, you know, but I know you you know,
so you know, I'm going to go.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
Social media has changed a lot of that. I think
social media it's not like it used to be, like
they can all connect.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
I think social media has taken away that good battery
indifferent you know. But you know, even even the friendship
that you know we had Sterling Sterling sharp one not
too long ago.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
And and the Viking packer raval.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Is that's yeah, yeah, it's constant, you know, you being
a packer brand.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
We joke back and forth about it.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
But but then don'te.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
Calpepper when you told him, was like, ah, that's okay, yeah,
you know, I mean, I guess it's just the whole
attitude of the of the player, of.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
The players of the player.
Speaker 11 (25:25):
Do you guys think that maybe the especially I think
back to like nineties TV, do you think that media
has had a play in sort of creating this almost
larger than life persona for a lot of these players,
Because I'm what I'm with you, Carl. I think, as
we've had these different folks on on your podcast every week,
it seems like humble is the best description for so
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many of these guys. And I think there's maybe this
kind of disconnect on from a fan perspective of thinking, well,
you know, they're a professional athlete, or they've they've done whatever,
so they're this larger than life personally, we forget that
they're all still human at the end of the day.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Yes, And and I think the other piece to that
that's that that that that we need to consider is
when you're on the field, you are that player. You
are everything and anything that somebody has said great about you.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
You're trying to to to confirm that.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
But as soon as you walk off, take your helmet off,
take your cleats off, it's work. It's it was work, right,
I'm off work, so you know.
Speaker 7 (26:32):
At yeah, yeah, it's not that you don't love it,
it's just that that's what you do. And then when
you leave the it's just like when you're at work
or doing anything in life. You have different personalities and
different faces for different audiences.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
And I think that excuse me, I'm sorry, no, I
was gonna say I And one where I think it
is hard for athletes to to figure that out is
when they're young, Like a high school athlete that's really
good he or she a lot of times it's all
about me, and I think that you know, they don't
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know that yet, and at some point in time you
have to get to and I think when you get
into a pro locker room, you have to realize that
every single person in that room is great and you're
just part of the greatness that we can achieve together
because I can't. Yeah, it's the teamwork thing. I can't
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do this thing out here. I can cover a guy
all day long, but they if they throw somewhere else
and score a touchdown and we lose, what what good
was it for me to think, Hey, at list, I
covered my guy. You know what happened to the guy
on the other side, you know? And I really do.
(27:50):
I can appreciate, you know, that understanding and that humbleness
that comes with that, and and.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
You can you can feel it, you could just have.
You can't fake that, No, you.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
You can't fake being humble and human, like you said, Matt,
I mean, it's just something that I've been pleasantly surprised
with a lot of our guests. I'm glad we brought
that up because it's been like, you expect something maybe
a little more. And to Matt's point, you know, what
you see on media is a whole different picture of
them painted compared to win they're in person.
Speaker 11 (28:24):
Well, I think we forget to I mean, there's still
twenty four hours in a day. There are what sixteen
seventeen NFL football games a year. What are you doing
for the rest of that three hundred and sixty five?
I mean, even when you were in the league, Carl,
you probably still went home and had to occasionally do
the dishes or laundry.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
I'm sure Donna never asked him to do that.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I watched clothes this morning. I mean a show.
Speaker 11 (28:51):
It's a silly thing to think about, But I mean
it's regardless of what you do day in and day out.
As as you said as your job, We're all still
doing a lot of the same day to day stuff,
regardless of whether you're going to an NFL stadium to
clock in for the day, or you're here recording at
the radio station or working down the street at.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
The coffee shop.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah, you're doing.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Yeah, that's a perfect way to say it.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Yeah, all right, let's take another quick break and we
will be right back.
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Speaker 3 (30:22):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back on the
break and.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Miss Odie is going to going to introduce everyone to
our next.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Game, our caravan of TBT coaches. Tonight.
Speaker 7 (30:35):
I love it so Our next coach is currently the
head coach for the TBT team coming to the Coliseum
on Friday, Best Virginia. I'll give you a little history
for this for this prestigious coach. He's a former mountaineer
who played at West Virginia between the years of nineteen
ninety four nineteen ninety eight. He averaged ten point six
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points per game is senior season, and he is currently
a head coach of the Notre Dame High school basketball program.
And he returns to lead the Best Virginia team after
a break from it. He was their initial coach in
twenty nineteen. So welcome Jared West to the podcast.
Speaker 9 (31:15):
Oh, thank you God, thank you, Thank you guys for
having me.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Thank you So, Jared, this is Caraley. How are you man.
Speaker 9 (31:21):
I'm doing great, doing great. I've heard great things about you.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
They're not true.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
Please don't tell him that, Jared. Come on.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
So I've got one question, because I would always get questions,
and I've tried, I've taken my turn trying to be
a coach and all that kind of stuff. What got
you into the coaching realm? What is it and what
makes you love it?
Speaker 9 (31:51):
So I never expected to be a coach. When I
married my wife, she's from Clarksburg, West Virginia, and I
started doing basketball training, which I have. I love to
do because I love kids and just having to train
the principal of Notre Dame High School and she said,
you know what, you would be a great coach, and
I said, well, I'm kind of old school. I'm big
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on accountability and discipline and struct She did that type
of thing and so I tried it, and to be
honest with you, I immediately fell in love with it.
It's the closest thing to playing. It is very very hard,
especially especially for someone who played at a high level,
because you see things that you know should happen, but
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they might not in that way. So that's about That
was my hardest adjustment. But fell in love with it.
To be able to mentor kids, uh to now I've
been coaching enough that I'm I'm training kids that I've coached,
Their kids are coming through. I've been invited to weddings.
It is the best thing in the world because you
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never know how much impact you have on on on kids.
And my mom, when I told her what I was doing,
she said, that's your ministry, that's uh. That's your way
that you can uh mentor and and speak God into
people's lives. And uh so I've taken it and run
with it. And I've been blessed to have administration who
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have allowed me to be me, which which is very
very important. If you're a situation where you can't be yourself,
it's miserable when you have people that back you, that
allow you to be yourself. So it's been great for me.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
That's good, that's that's amazing.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
So so Jared, let's go back in the day for
a minute before we fast forward to the TV T
Let's just go back to your playing days in Morgantown.
So you were fortunate enough to be a player under
the realm of Gail Catlet.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
What was it like playing for Gail back back then?
Speaker 9 (33:51):
Oh, man kitty cat we called him that, it was.
He was an interesting guy. He was he was if
he was a great exces and old guy. If you
did well, he if we call the time out and
he designed to play, If we did it, we normally
got a pretty good shot of score. He was a
great He was a great guy. Miss Stannis, who recently passed,
was his lovely wife. She was the nicest woman in
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the world. She would bring us cookies for every road trip.
I mean, she was the best. But Coach Kelly was great,
and I tell that. I'll tell all the young guys
like John and Dayshawn, when when we first started with
the TBT and they got this new practice facility. I
tell a story that when back in the day before
n I L and all that stuff, me and Brent
Solheim and Damian Os we come to the coliseum and
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we beg and plead and knock on the door. Nobody
would let us in. Got practice facilities, and they got
managers that come rebound. I mean, you talk about the
title kids, But anyway, it was. It was great. My
junior year, we should have gone to the NCAA Tournament,
and we ended up goingting to the n I t
which was a great experience, but it kind of set
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our senior class up for a big time run we
had sixteen years. We went to the Sweet sixteen. I
was blessed to make a shot that people still talking
about the day and I tell.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
People, pay no, no, you go ahead, sir, you go ahead.
I'm teasing.
Speaker 9 (35:19):
I get rolling. Great. It was great playing on the
coach calling because The most important thing that I like
is I had a special special relationship with the fans.
People don't yes you did them. They don't understand the
the great fans and the great people of West Virginia.
If you would have told me I was going to
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move from Mississippi and never go home, you I ought
to tell you you were crazy because I'd never heard
of West Virginia really before I got here. I heard
of as Harris because they just played yes the boat.
So for me to be here twenty five plus years,
it's a lot due to coach calling and him bringing
me in and my great senior class I was with.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
When you when you when you think back on that
during that time, where where did you did you? Could
you foresee yourself being who you are now.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Because of your coach?
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Because I know when when when Sunny Randall came into
Marshall University and was doing all this yelling and screaming, man,
I was like, who is this dude? I like, man,
this dude ain't gonna have no kind of impact on me.
But to this day, man, I feel like he is
the catalyst of who I am.
Speaker 9 (36:42):
That's a grass One of the best questions anybody's ever
asked me, And I'm gonna give you the PG version
because I have an X rated version, which you probably
have also. Yes, but ask your question. If you would
have told me my freshman year how things it up,
I would I would have thought you were crazy. It was.
(37:05):
It was not an easy road for me. Yeah, it
was not an easy road. But yes, I give it
all the good because it was Adversity in life is
something that until you face it, you don't know how
to deal with it. And I was a big fish
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coming out of high school and when I got here,
it was rough, and it took me a year or
so to deal with, like to kind of handle the adversity.
And once I matured, it was the best thing in
the world for me because it made me a better husband,
a better father. It taught me that life wasn't easy,
and it actually prepared me for my senior year and
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for that moment because as you know, as a as
a college player, I mean, game day of sweet everything
else is rough. It's not what. It's not as fun
and and easy everybody might think it is. So I
had to learn tough, tough skin, and I was blessed
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to have a good group of guys around me my
senior year and we went to the Sweet sixteen and
you know, me and Coach Contay's relationship was was very
interesting up and down. But I can't I can't stress
enough how it molded me as a man, how the
experiences that that I that I went through with him.
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Once again, everything wasn't good. It was easy, but it
made me understand and like you know, life isn't always fair.
You got to continue to work and be diligent in
your process. So but yeah, I would have never thought
my freshman and sophomore year that it would end up
the ways it did.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
I'm gonna promise, I'm gonna give you a chance to
get in. I'm telling you.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
But but to your point, I have I have the
similar story. Like when I go to Minnesota the second year,
there's a coach they bring in, this new coach, Less Steckel,
and he's talking about he's going to be doing all
this kind of stuff, We're going to be working hard.
You need to come up to Minnesota because if you don't,
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you're not going to be able to make it through
the running all the running tests and all this kind
of stuff. And I'm like thinking to myself, Man, I
was with Sonny Randall and what I do know is
I know how to train. And I can't imagine any
of these dudes. I don't care what school you played for.
There's no way that you had to run like I
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had to run at Marshall University and you. And I
told him, I said, look, I'm not coming. I'll come
with camp because you're not paying this. You know, you're
not paying us to come, You're not putting this up.
I can't do that, so I'll come with the season,
but trust me, I'll be ready. And I got there
and it it was a shame because I felt like
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this was I was.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
It was harder for me in colleagues than this was right,
you know, right.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
But I only say that because there are these coaches
who you think you could you you want to hate
them because you don't like the yelling and the screaming
and all of that, but you have no idea of
where and when that's going to impact you and save
you in the future.
Speaker 9 (40:26):
Right, And that's and you're you're you're exactly right. You're
you're you're spot on on that, You're spot on it.
It's amazing the life lessons you learn through the adversity
and emoes you. And I hear myself saying a lot
of things to my kids, and I look at it
and I smile because I'm like, when you're the one
here and that you're like, man, this guy's crazy olds you,
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It mows you. It does it does, Yes, it does.
Speaker 7 (40:53):
So So, Jared, I'm going to go back to that
buzzer beating basket against the Cincinnati bear cat Cats in
the second round of the NCAA Tournament in nineteen ninety eight.
It propelled your team into the sweet sixteen. Walk us
through that play. What was going through your head? There's
that last second shot.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Did you know you were going to take the shot?
Did you know you were going to go?
Speaker 9 (41:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, okay, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
I was hat Oh yeah, okay. I didn't want to
kill you.
Speaker 9 (41:25):
No, No, I got big enough shoulders to win it,
to live and die with the make or miss. That's
how I was raised as a kid. So, to be
honest with you, what I was thinking about is my
sophomore year we played Georgetown. We were up eighteen and
ended up losing the first Big East game. I made
a big turnover late they end up winning the game.
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My freshman year, the crowd was about to storm the floor.
Were playing you mass They had Marcus Camby and Lou
Rowe and we wrote fifteen and national TV game. They
were number one team in the country and we end
up losing that game. Uh, helical helicopter. But he made
he made back to back three and I'm as soon
as that second three went in, I'm thinking those two
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guys justice. This is a true story. Those two games
flashed through my head as I'm getting the ball from
Brian from from Brian Loewill, because I'm thinking this is
the last game I might play. And so when I
got the ball, you know, uh, one of our transition
players that we that we that we ran a lot
of simple high screens. Uh. I give the credit a
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big b because he he switched the screen at at
the last minute. And when I came off the screen,
I actually thought I was going to have a clean
look at it, and uh, because I was reading his man.
But Ruben Patterson's great friend of mine who played in
Bit for lost that Ruben saw the screen and he
came from basically the opposite wing, and when I jumped,
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I didn't know he shipped it until later. But when
it was as soon as I jumped, I saw him jump,
and so I just reached up and shot the ball
as high as I could. And when I really he said,
I saw was online and I knew it had a chance.
And like I said, that day, you know, God God
did the rest.
Speaker 6 (43:07):
There were many couches burned that day, you know.
Speaker 7 (43:10):
That, right.
Speaker 9 (43:12):
Listen, if I had a dollar for every time from
where they were, I'll be.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Sill through it for sure, for sure.
Speaker 9 (43:19):
And a great story to go along with this. So
my brother, my older brother, got married that day and
I was supposed to be his best man. And obviously
he wasn't expected we was gonna be in the n
c A tournament. So they were in the church and
they were delaying the service, and then back in the
day they didn't you know. He was looking at one
of those little small you know, eight by eight. Yeah,
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And when I went up to shoot the shot, it
feez out, And when it came back, they said they
saw Dwayne Lewis carrying me off the floor. I thought
that was a great story.
Speaker 6 (43:53):
It was a great story.
Speaker 9 (43:55):
It was a it was a great story from great
great day for the for the West House.
Speaker 6 (43:58):
It was so great. I remember the play. It was awesome.
Speaker 7 (44:00):
But let's fast forward to the TVT since that's that's
you know, what we're what we're here to talk about.
But you know, taking into account first of all, if
you are audience that's not familiar with the TVT, could
you kind of give us a one on one, you know,
just a real basic definition of how the elm ending
works in the TBT.
Speaker 9 (44:21):
Yes, I think it's brilliant and and cargn t talk
to a too. Uh in any sport that in any
sport there's a time and so sometimes you can just
milk the clock and it's played the you know, you
can barely just you can let the clock run out
and sometimes you can sneak a win. The elam inning
is beautiful because you know they stopped the clock and
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it's no time. You have to actually go score points,
you have to create offense. So it's actually I would
love for the NBA Top It would be interesting if
they would ever try to or college because you know,
and you know, you get in a situation where you
just milk the clock and run for five seconds off
the shot clock of thirty seconds and you just kind
of stall the game out, whereas in the elam ending
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you have to continue to play basketball, you had to
continue to score, and it kind of just it makes
it another game in itself. I love it, and it
creates so much drama and because like I said, you
just can't milk the clock. You have to go score.
You got to go make some baskets. You gotta and
it actually it makes you become a better coach because
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you have to what's the time.
Speaker 6 (45:27):
Frame on that chaired?
Speaker 7 (45:29):
I don't mean to interrupt, but what's the timeframe? Is
that the last how many minutes of the game?
Speaker 9 (45:33):
But does that take the last four minutes of the game? Yeah,
they stop it, and then I think it's either is
it great seven? I think that it's seven points or
nine points from wherever the leading they had nine points
to wherever who's leading?
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (45:49):
Right, yes, yes, so yes so Greg he said, if
you're sixty four fifty eight, the winning score will be
seventy three. So then it puts a lot of yeah,
a lot of strategies of all, but it makes you
have to continue to play. So I enjoy, I enjoy.
Speaker 5 (46:06):
All Right, I'm going to ask just I think This
will probably maybe be our last question. But one of
the one of the things that I find interesting in
sports now when I when I when I look at
it is it's it seems different to me. It's like,
I don't know if you have you know, and I
think there you know, there are coaches who coach team
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work and.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
They can maybe find it there.
Speaker 5 (46:31):
But typically for me when I'm when I look around
at sports, there's there seems to be this individualized focus
of me. You know, I'm good. I want to go
to college. I want to go to the pros. I
want to go to high school. I want to be
the start the school. Tell me what what you what
you see? And and how do we? How do we?
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Is there a way to fix it?
Speaker 9 (46:57):
Question? And I've become I never really consider myself an
old school type guy, but the older I get, I
feel like I'm looking. It is hard for me nowadays
to even watch sports because it's it's the level was different.
But I was I was raised you work hard to
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get what you get. The entitlement is just it wears
me out. It's different. To answer your question, I don't
know if we can backtrack it. To be honest with you,
because with nil they opened up the wild wild West,
and I mean, I just don't know. If I don't know,
if you can the NCAA has I don't want to.
(47:38):
They've done a bad job, but they've done that. And
this this is coming from a former player who you know,
trust me, I would have loved to have a little money.
But I mean there has to be a cap. There
has to be some type of limitations. I mean, just
from a coaching STANDFO, you can't coach some of these
guys because some of these guys are making more money.
(47:59):
Like it's it's just it's just different. It's different. And
if you if you if you start a freshman, guess
what he might transfer. If you tell a freshman you
you sit behind an experience, y'all, he might transfer. What
do you do than if you don't? Thank if you do,
it's just a different day. And that's why you see
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a lot of older coaches getting out because it goes
probably against everything in their DNA of how things are
going now. So yeah, that's that's it's gonna take a
special group of people that can fix it or rectify
because I don't know, if I don't think it will
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ever get better, to be honest with you, I.
Speaker 5 (48:41):
Don't know how it can for the simple fact that
you know, you've got You've got guys playing college ball
that are making more money than some of the guys
who play professional ball. So I don't even have to
have a dream to play professional I'm good once I
come out of college.
Speaker 9 (48:57):
So why would you leave? Like hundred he was, he
played ten years in college? Why would he leave? Yeah,
you know, I I just thought, I'm being like, uh,
you know, a Mondo Bay and I just saw a
kid and sign in Texas Tech three year, five point
one million outside linebacker, and I'm thinking, I mean, you know,
(49:20):
that's to your point, he's making more. He's making more
than some undrafted free agents have signed two or three
years in the NFL. Like it's it's yeah. And And
the thing that it really frustrates me is it affects
the highspool kids trying to come out who uh it
really well, it hit close to home with me when
COVID hit so little Jared was a he was able
(49:44):
to get an extra year. He went to Louisville. My
son Jayden, So would you rather bring in Jaden who's
a senior in high school or Jared who's the fiftieth singers.
So it affected it affected so many high school kids.
And it's you know, it's it's just you know, and
now they're changed situate. Juco kids might not lose a year,
which I mean, I love, but I mean, what do
you what are we doing? You got kids gonna be
(50:05):
twenty six, twenty seven years old still then and guess
what why what? While what I leave if I'm making
some money too, So I just don't know what we're thinking.
I don't I don't understand the adults in the room
that's making those sustains. Right, It's like, you know, they're
what's the what's the worst thing we can do for
college sports? And that's what they're doing. And once again,
(50:28):
I played college sports and wish I had a little money,
But once again, you don't. I mean, you know, these guys,
it's crazy because this is.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Not a little bit of money. This is this is
life changing money.
Speaker 9 (50:39):
Crazy money. Yeah, and I'm gonna go a step bigger,
life changing money. And I'm okay. I can see the
guys who are all league I'm talking about and I
hate to use the word bumps, but like I'm talking
about average guys.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 9 (50:55):
I mean I look you look at it. I'm like,
this guy's making what I'm thinking, this guy average four
points last year. This guy had fifteen catches last year.
Speaker 8 (51:03):
Like what are we talk?
Speaker 9 (51:05):
Like, what are we doing? It's bastling.
Speaker 5 (51:08):
It's really pay off of potential. It's it's payoff for potential.
Speaker 9 (51:11):
Really, yes, and Michael George said it a long time.
You know these you're giving these guys stuff that they
haven't earned it, you know they I mean like the
kid for Tennessee, I think he's a pretty good quarterback. Okay,
we I mean he's young, but like he's turning down
you know, like, so what are we doing? He's turned
down two or three million because he's gonna get four millions,
(51:34):
Like what are we doing? Like you know what enough
is enough? Like put a put a cap on it
so that these coaches can actually coach, just don't hold accountable.
Like right, it's just the while you it's the wild
wild West, and it's sad because yes it was slightly broken,
but it wasn't as broke as we made it, true.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Right, coach.
Speaker 11 (51:54):
This is producer Matt thinking about kind of this nil
stuff and sort of going back to the team b T.
Do you do you think that something like the TVT
Tournament do you think that is kind of a sort
of a testament to getting back to the roots of
sports and sort of why people play the game?
Speaker 9 (52:16):
Right? I love it and that that's a great question.
And I think the tv T does a great job
of Listen, we're going to the park, you go play,
You bring your crew. I bring my crew and we went.
You know that that's that's the type of mentality that
it brings. Uh. And you win, you advance, you lose,
you go home, and if you win six, you win
a prize. You know. So I love it because it
(52:39):
makes it It makes it like back to childhood, you know,
like we go, we go hoop and Jared West likes
to be shooting. So yeah, I love the concept of it.
Speaker 5 (52:49):
All Right, all right, well man, we'll let you get
We know you're busy. We'll let you get back to
what you're doing. And we appreciate you giving us your time.
Speaker 6 (52:58):
Thanks Jared so much, appreciate it. Good luck, all right.
Speaker 5 (53:03):
Bye bye, all right, ladies and gentlemen. Oh Lisa, yes
that was good, Okay.
Speaker 6 (53:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
Well, I got to give you the you brought him.
You got both of them. More is he groveling at you?
Speaker 6 (53:21):
Please write this down? Would you please note it somewhere.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
I'll tell you what. I'll even I was gonna say.
Speaker 6 (53:26):
Video recorded. I want to listen to it over and now.
Speaker 5 (53:28):
I'll broadcast it even well if you if you're got
to do that, I need to change my mind.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
At least you got to step it up. No, that
was no.
Speaker 5 (53:38):
Those those two conversations were really really important. And I
think too for parents, for kids who who who should
listen to this and and hear some of this conversation
because I think it's really valuable and important for them
to understand some of the things that were said tonight.
Speaker 7 (53:58):
And once again, and I'll go back to it's a
reoccurring theme with our guests. I mean that we all
seem to view these these changes we're all, you know,
and like like Jared said, I think it's because we're
all becoming older and our values become different. Because when
you're younger, you know things, things are, your lifestyles different,
you're you know, your.
Speaker 6 (54:18):
Way of looking at things.
Speaker 7 (54:19):
The older you get, the more you see that you
know what those older people in our lives, trying to
give us, instilling us these values. They were right after all,
even at the time we thought they weren't right.
Speaker 11 (54:29):
I think it's a testament to that. You know, you
don't always have to have a big end game for sports.
I mean, you may make it to college, you may
make it to the pros, you might not. But it
doesn't mean that you have to stop playing just because
you didn't reach that big dream.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
You know. Sports is a lifestyle basically. Yeah, And I.
Speaker 5 (54:46):
Think too you hear from some of these guys whose
careers were great but ended at a certain point and
get into coaching, and what do they do. They coach
what they were coached, you know, and and they're discipline
and they're all of those kinds of things. They know
that's what needs to be there in order for you
(55:08):
to have any kind of measure of success, of success.
Speaker 6 (55:11):
They go back to their grassroots for sure.
Speaker 3 (55:13):
Yes, for sure.
Speaker 7 (55:14):
And if you haven't been to the TVT, I highly
recommend it, even if you're not a huge basketball fan.
Speaker 6 (55:20):
It is exciting, it is fun. The elam ending is amazing.
Speaker 7 (55:24):
So you know, if you're you're in the audience and
you're kind of on the fence about it.
Speaker 6 (55:27):
Go check it out. It's really fun.
Speaker 5 (55:29):
Well, ladies and gentlemen, we'll get out of here today
and we will be back again soon
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