Pat Carter on Golf and Grit, Plus Tough Talk on Accountability and Change

On this episode of Let’s Talk with Carl Lee, West Virginia amateur golf great and WVGA executive Pat Carter joins Carl, Hollis, and Lisa for a focused conversation on the growth of golf in the state, junior development, access to the game, and how humility and preparation shape champions.

After Carter exits, the discussion turns raw and reflective as the hosts dig into deeper issues affecting families and communities: the collapse of accountability, the myth of community as a cure-all, and how blame culture stalls real progress. Carl, Lisa, and Hollis speak frankly about parenting, structure, emotional honesty, and the generational habits we’re passing down. It’s about sports, but it’s also about truth, responsibility, and what it really takes to grow—whether you're raising kids or chasing a championship.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
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Speaker 3 (00:51):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Miss Carlee with Let's Talk and my co host Hollis Lewis, Hello, Hello,
and the Queen Lisa is that the building as well,
And we have a We actually have a caller that
Lisa is going to introduce and I can't wait for
this one for a personal reason.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Oh of course, of course.

Speaker 5 (01:14):
So I'm going to start with his resume and it's
going to take me a minute to go through all
the accomplishments that our guest is doe. Our guest has
done over the years. So we're going to start with
this caller or this guest is a native of West Virginia.
He started his career in golf at Barbersville High School
and won three consecutive West Virginia State Tournament championships while

(01:35):
it was there. He then proceeded to go on to
the collegiate route at Marshall. He led the Herd in
scoring averages in both nineteen eighty nine and ninety also
secured the title of team captain and was first team
All Southern Conference's senior year. After that, he moved on
to the amateur scene, where he won the West Virginia

(01:56):
Amateur which is happening this weekend at the Greenbrier by
the Way, thirteen times thirteen times, and he set a
new national record with ten in a row from ninety
five to two thousand and four, and that in that
time he also qualified for the US Amateur Championship nine times.

(02:18):
He was two thousand and one West Virginia Amateur Athlete
of the Year in West Virginia. He's also been the
West Virginia Golf Associate Player of the year nine times.
He's also been inducted into two hall of fames related
to West Virginia sports. He's in the West Virginia Golf
Hall of Fame, inducted in twenty thirteen, and then also
the Marshall Athletic Hall of Fame in two thousand and five.

(02:39):
So with all that, I have to catch my breath.
Let me let me take a minute to casual breath.
I know, right, with all those impressive stats and he's
continuing to pursue greatness, I'd like to introduce Pat Carter.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Welcome, Pat, Well.

Speaker 6 (02:53):
Thank you so much. I'm humbled for that, hey man.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
But here's the crazy thing about so, like when you
hear all of that, like what is that like? You know,
like I know that I know that there's the humble
piece of that. But like when you hear all of that,
you have to really understand like how great and how
special that really is.

Speaker 6 (03:15):
Yeah, the one thing it reminds me of it reminds
me that I'm fifty seven years old.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
We're the same age, so I feel your pain.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Well I'm a quite a bit older.

Speaker 6 (03:24):
So yeah, it took a few years for you know,
for all those accomplishments for sure.

Speaker 7 (03:31):
Yeah, what if you had to pick one right now,
like what was your favorite win?

Speaker 3 (03:40):
And or and and or why.

Speaker 6 (03:43):
Is it that?

Speaker 7 (03:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (03:45):
The you know, Carl, the I think yes, yes, yeah,
the you know, as a matter of fact, it really
wasn't even a win. The I was playing in a
US Amateur in nineteen ninety six and and I found
out when I got to there and it was in
Pumpkin It was at Pumpkin Ridge in Portland, Oregon, and

(04:06):
I ended up being paired with Tiger Woods. Oh you know,
so that's that's probably my most memorable, uh experience was
I was able to play with him in the thirty
six hold qualifying at the Purrement. Two days of golf
with Tiger, and I actually was able to play his
last with him and his last stroke play amateur golf round.

(04:29):
And I have a science scorecard, you know, with all that,
and that's that's pretty it was a pretty memorable time.
And and uh, it was just one experience I'll never forget.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
That's special.

Speaker 7 (04:42):
Yeah, Hey, Pat, this is Hollis now. Coming out of
high school. You go to Marshall, and I believe that
when you went to Marshall they were just starting the
golf program and you were one of the first recruits.
So how was that process going, you know, from high
school going to an upstart collegiate golf program and having

(05:03):
a success that you did.

Speaker 6 (05:05):
Well the actually Marshall was established, West Virginia would have
been the team that had just re established their team.
So Marshall. Marshall had recruited me heavily. I really didn't,
you know INTENDA. I grew up ten minutes from the university,
and uh, you know, I was I was always wanted
to go there. All my he rose in golf, you know,

(05:25):
had played there, you know Harold Payne, who was amazing,
uh you know, amateur you know, uh all American at Marshall,
and uh I just just wanted to always play there
and follow in some people's footsteps and represent uh you know,
be a herd, be a member of the herd, and
uh it just was it was a dream come true
when I signed my letter of intent and was able

(05:46):
to play four years for the herd.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Nice was there?

Speaker 4 (05:50):
What What was the first thing that kind of caught
your attention because you said that you wanted, you know,
golf was your thing.

Speaker 7 (05:56):
What started that? Like what when did you see? You know,
what did you see what made you like, Okay, I
want to be grading golf. What where'd that start at?

Speaker 6 (06:07):
You know, that's a great question because I played all sports.
You know, I fell in love with baseball first and
then then I played you know, high school basketball and
loved it. And I kind of realized that size and
speed matters in most sports as uh as we all know,
I didn't have. I didn't have great size, I didn't

(06:28):
have great speed. I was pretty pretty good. Uh, I
had an amazing hand eye coordination and uh and before long,
golf kind of provided an avenue for me to get
a college scholarship. You know, my parents weren't wealthy, and
you know, I was able to to secure an athletic
scholarship at Marshall and was very happy and and uh,

(06:49):
I'm endeared to the you know, to the university, you
know obviously until now you yeah, well.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
You know, Pat, looking at at all of this, this
resume that you have, and all of these awards and
accomplishments you have in golf and qualifying for the US
Amateur Championship nine times, which is amazing, and setting records,
were there any points in your career that you could
you could step on to the PGA, you know, go
to the next level in golf.

Speaker 6 (07:18):
Well, you know, golf golf an eerie sport if you
if so to speak, and I say that because you
play against guys that that it, it becomes eye opening
how good they are and the road you'd have to
travel to to be competitive. And uh, you know, and
then you know, when when I established my insurance career,

(07:39):
you know, I was pretty happy. I was. I was
afford the ability to play all over the country, all
over the world actually, and uh, you know, I just
really had no desire to turn professionally, knowing the grind
that it would take and the probability of failure was
much greater than the than the than the idea of success.

(08:00):
And so so I worked on my insurance career. Uh,
got married, had a couple of kids.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Uh, and uh, life happened.

Speaker 6 (08:08):
As they say, as they say, the rest is history.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Yes, you know, it's interesting.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
It's interesting because you know, I just I just well,
I shouldn't say I just started playing golf, but I've
been playing golf for a while.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
And and the challenging thing to me with.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
Golf is before I can even compete against, say Hollis,
I got to compete against yourself. The mindset of a
golfer is to me, is different than any sport that
I participated in. And I played football, I play basketball,
ran track. But for whatever the reason, if you can,

(08:46):
if you can kind of explain it, like what is
this thing that wraps people up in golf, because it's
almost impossible to be good just to people say they're good,
but that's not They're not really good compared to say
somebody like you. What is it that that that that
is in that golf that.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Draws people in but we just can't get there, you know.

Speaker 6 (09:11):
Yeah, that's a that's a great question. And the ironic
thing about this is I was talking to one of
the baseball coaches from Marshall last night, uh and we
were we were discussing that exact same topic about how
you know, you got to forget about the last pitch,
the last air, you know, whatever it is. The and
golf is the same way the you know, And and

(09:31):
the funny thing about golf is a three hundred shot,
uh drive, a three hundred yard drive has the same
value as as a one inch pot. Yeah, and now
the three hundred yard drives are way more fun to watch.
But that's the reason you see these guys on tour

(09:54):
shoot so low because they don't care that they know
that each shot is the same and the and that
once you hit that shot, you move on to the
next one and uh, and that's that's how they go
so low.

Speaker 7 (10:06):
And to build on that question, you won the West
Virginia Amateur I believe ten times in a row, thirteen
times total. So going into you know that tournament, and
particularly when you had your streak, what is the mindset?
Like you you know, it's hard enough to win one
championship and then you win, you know, then they start

(10:26):
to stack up. So like if you're going to that second,
at third, at six one, what is the mindset going
into that when you kind of have the when the
bulls out on your back, so to speak.

Speaker 6 (10:38):
Well, yeah, that's a that's a that's a great question.
You know that I felt like, you know, I won
my first WESTERNI I am in nineteen eighty nine and
I kind of fell into it. Yeah, I wasn't in
the last group and it just said then they announced, Hey,
the winner's Pat Carter, and you know one by one
shot was lucky and it took me a long time.
And I always always felt that the second Amateur that

(10:59):
i'll one, which was in nineteen ninety five, was the
hardest one that I had ever won. Just overcoming you know,
my expectations and being able to play well, you know,
under the gun meant a lot, and that really took
my game to another level. And then once I once
I started stack and wins, I really was about the

(11:21):
only player in the state that played all over the
country all the time. And my experience, you know, at
being a seventy two whole tournament, I knew that a
couple holes early on in the tournament didn't really matter
who was going to win. And you know, that's the
one thing about it was that I felt like, you know,

(11:42):
I was the most experienced player every year, and that
was a big advantage.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
So obviously, Pat, you've you've told us that you've been
able to travel and visit these different courses and play
these different courses.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Do you have a particular course.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
That's one of your favorites that you like to play.

Speaker 6 (12:02):
I would have to think, you know, Nicholas always said
that if he had one round of golf to play
in his life left, it would be at Pebble Beach,
and and I think that, you know, I played the
nineteen ninety nine US Amateur at Pebble Beach and under
us M conditions, USGA conditions. I mean, it was one
of the toughest courses, but one of the most fair

(12:23):
courses I've ever played. So if I had to choose
one over everything, and I played Augusta Pine Valley that
you know, the Old Course at Saint Andrews, the list
goes on and on, I still think I would choose
Pebble Beach to be my last round of golf.

Speaker 5 (12:38):
What about in West Virginia? Do you have a favorite
course here?

Speaker 6 (12:42):
Well, I have special love for all the green brick courses,
you know, obviously, Yeah, you know, I mean they have
a special place in my heart. So, you know, the
Old the Old White before it was renovated was you know,
I had tremendous success there. I loved that golf course.
I love them. I love the Old White. Now it's

(13:03):
I think it's extremely tough, it's very fair. But you
know it's hard for me to pen down one particular
course in the state because I love playing everywhere.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Sure, my wife is from Greenbrough County, and her and
most all of her family has worked at the Greenbrier.
So I've actually got a chance to play all of
those courses. And trust me when I tell you none
of them were good.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
And and again I think.

Speaker 7 (13:32):
None of them were good. And you weren't good, Yeah, yeah,
I was. I just I couldn't compete at that at
that level.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
And and you know, and I think one of the
interesting components in my head was I knew that the
course was better.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Than me, you know.

Speaker 7 (13:51):
And and and that's yeah, that's that's that's hurting.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
I mean, that's a strange thought I've ever Yeah, that's yeah.

Speaker 7 (13:58):
And and golf and and and and bet you could
agree with me or or comment on this. Golf will
tell you. It will it will align you to where
you are.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
Like, it's not gonna lie, Like you can't lie to
yourself in golf, Like it's it's it's gonna tell you.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
It's gonna tell you the tree it's gonna show in
every shot, Am I right?

Speaker 7 (14:22):
That? That?

Speaker 6 (14:23):
Well, that's that's the one thing you know, when you're
when you're defending a wide receiver out there and you're
by yourself, kind of on an island, right, Well, the golf,
you're on an island. Every single shot there's nowhere to hie.
So you know, it's it's you against you against you,
and uh, you know, and that's what you have to overcome.
And and you know, one of my one of my

(14:44):
coaches long ago said gave me some of the best
advice ever, and it was it was aim small and
miss small. You know, pick a target out there and
if you if you if you don't hit at it,
then that's where you're hitting. You're not looking at that
all the obstacles that are on the side. You're you're
kind of uh, you know, clearing the mechanism or what

(15:07):
however you want to say. But you're focusing on where
you want to hit it and not where you don't
want to hit it.

Speaker 7 (15:12):
Yeah, that's that's I think that could be applicable for
a lot of different sports. I like that mindset. Uh,
and just kind of along those lines, like how do
we because on this show we often talk about sort
of ancillary sports. We just don't focus obviously on football
and basketball, and you know, we believe in, you know,
like sort of building the totality of the athlete. And

(15:32):
when I think about sports like golf, like even tennis,
track wrestling, those sort of individual sports, even bodybuilding to
a degree where it's sort of mind over matter, How
do we get more youth involved in in golf?

Speaker 6 (15:47):
Well that yeah, that's the first t foundation has been
tremendous and getting especially inner city youth you know, playing golf.
Now you see you see smaller courses being built. What
I mean by smaller you see twelve whole courses being
built to speed up play. But you know, you know,
which I think is a wonderful idea, you know, because

(16:08):
because ultimately you want people out there having fun and
they you know, not maybe having goals of being on
the PGA Tour, but spending a couple of hours with
their friends having fun, sin balls go in the air
and h and then getting a few laughs and and
and jokes and whatever it may be, you know, for
a couple of hours with your buddies, and and you know,
that's to me what it's all about these days, and

(16:30):
that you know, I just think that that the U. S.
G A has spent a tremendous amount of money on
trying to get more people involved and and all the
Golf Associations is but you know the w g A
has followed suit and trying to take that route as well.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
And you said, that's the first t foundation. Yeah, I
got it. Thank you. That's perfect. Okay, So, Pat, I
have one question for you.

Speaker 5 (16:54):
You you've experienced so much success in golf, and and
obviously you know you're you're continuing to sperience success. Is
there a particular or a favorite philosophy or a style
of golf play that you endear with to like that
that that kind of guides you to to you know,
all these victories in.

Speaker 6 (17:12):
Golf, well, the uh, playing without the big mistake was
always my forte yes, you know I really I really
never got in trouble, you know, and I made bogies.
I mean everybody makes bogies. But but staying away from
the you know, those big crooked numbers are the is

(17:33):
the key and are the keys to success in a
long tournament. You know, I a seventy two holes on
the tour, you know, seventy two holes in our West
Virginia state am. But you know so, so I always
just tried to limit my mistakes and uh, and then
not worry so much about the results as as the
process as so much the process it took to get

(17:55):
the results. And and if if you do that, then
typically your score ends up being a little bit lower
than than if you if you do have those worrisome ideas.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
What's what was the best part of your game? Was
it putting?

Speaker 4 (18:10):
Was it off the te what you know, your irons,
your approach, what what what?

Speaker 3 (18:17):
What it was your best?

Speaker 4 (18:18):
And then and then what advice would you give someone
who's starting to play golf of where they should focus
most on their skill set?

Speaker 3 (18:27):
First?

Speaker 6 (18:29):
Yeah, everybody, I mean I would think eight, eight or
nine out of ten players would say my short game,
you know, around the greens, when came from one hundred
yards in was was my strength. But however, you know,
I was good at all what I considered, and you know,
I worked hard on my game, but I was good
at all aspects of the sport. But I didn't feel

(18:52):
like I was great at any aspect of the sport.
But you know, so so therefore I didn't have a
lot of weaknesses. The I didn't hit it, you know,
super far as uh as some of them did. But
I hit it far enough. But you know, I didn't
you know, my iron game was you know, elite for
this state, but not not for the national level. Uh

(19:14):
but but still it wasn't the best in the state.
But you know so I just thought my whole all
around game when you put it together, was the reason
was it was the reason that I I did win.
You know what I won?

Speaker 4 (19:29):
Well, you know, one of the one of one of
my issues is like when when if I could get
off the t.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Okay, that's it.

Speaker 7 (19:37):
I think coach trying to get some free lessons and
you send us.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
I just tried to understand. I understand the mindset.

Speaker 6 (19:48):
You know.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
I was never really very good.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
Off the t irons. I was, I was pretty decent.
I used to hit a two iron really well. So
I quit hitting my driver and started using my two iron.
And and I'm saying this only because, like I think
most people who don't have the true knowledge of golf,
we make these kind of changes in our mind thinking

(20:11):
that that's going to actually make our game better.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
But that's really not the case. Am I right on that?

Speaker 6 (20:16):
Yeah? Really, golf has has changed or morphed over the
last ten to fifteen years, especially with the equipment the
golf ball. Now it's all about links, if you don't
have certain speeds at certain ages in your life, you're

(20:37):
never going to get to where you need to be
to be on the PGA tour. So now now everybody
you know is swinging it at one hundred and eighteen
to one hundred and twenty five miles an hour, clubhead
speed ball speeds of one hundred and eighty to one
hundred and ninety. You know, where I grew up with
equipment that your bass speeds were one hundred and fifty, so,

(20:58):
you know, and the courses were you know, we're much shorter,
but they still played the link that they need to play.

Speaker 7 (21:05):
Now.

Speaker 6 (21:06):
It's it's a game of it's a game of youth.
It's a game of kids that come from uh, you know,
golf academies that they really don't even go to high
school mainly, and uh and that's all they focus on
and and they just learn and they're so good at
such a young age that it's just amazing, you know,

(21:27):
watching the you know, where the where the golf has
has gone. You know, over over the last couple of decades.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Do you think that.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Tiger's impact has has because I know for a fact,
Tiger's impact has has impacted as a lot of black
folks that will get out there now and play. His
impact in golf period to all people, male and female,
How big? How big really is that when you when

(21:57):
you look from your vision, how big is that?

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Like? What did he really do?

Speaker 6 (22:02):
Oh my gosh, he took golf to the levels that
nobody ever dreamed of. The you know, that's the worldwide.
It wasn't It wasn't just inner city black youth, right,
and you know a good story about about that, And
it wasn't Tiger per se. I got to meet Michael
Jordan in the early nineties playing in a tournament and

(22:24):
he had the same effect on inner city black youths
as what Tiger did on golf around the world. It
was amazing to see people just wanting to get a
glimpse of Mike of Jordan, you know, in this golf
turn which was the Western Amateur which I was playing in,
and we repaired, you know, one group from each other,
and I got so I got to talk to him

(22:44):
on the t's, got to meet him in the locker room,
and it was it was unbelievable. The thousands and thousands
of kids age eight to twelve or thirteen that just
were running around just trying to see Jordan on a
golf course, not on a basketball Yeah. Yeah, and and Tiger,
you know, you know which it was. Golf was exponentially

(23:06):
more so, uh more impactful than than what what Jordan
was in that aspect. It's just amazing. It's He's the
most important, uh golfer that's been in my life that
I've seen. And I'm sure every almost everybody else would
say that the tour can be the most thankful because
of the amount of money that they play for and
it's solely because of Tiger.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
Hey, so we're gonna we're gonna wrap it up here
in a minute with you packcause we know you have to.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
We have things to do.

Speaker 5 (23:33):
You've you've got to play in the West Virginia Amateur
this weekend at the Greenbrier. You've qualified again, correct, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (23:41):
Fortunately, Uh with being a being a previous champion that
you can play. You know, you have a lifetime exemption.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Okay, okay, So yeah.

Speaker 6 (23:50):
My my game's not great right now. Battle I've been
battling a little bad back, but but it seems to
be progressing a little bit, so I'm hoping to play
all four rounds ever missed the cut. Yeah, you know,
there in my career, so I hope I keep that
streak going.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Oh at least, Well, that was something.

Speaker 5 (24:07):
I wanted to touch on. You mentioned you were fifty seven.
How is the field look? I mean, does it seem
like every year there's a little bit of a younger
push coming in and lesser of the of the guys
that are, you know, in our age group.

Speaker 6 (24:22):
Yeah, I would think that you're going to see people
competing for the championship this year, and you know, I'm
not considering myself one of them. I would say that
the age group will be yeah, thirty and under everybody. Okay,
you know, Christian brand should be the favorite. I mean

(24:42):
he's he's our best golfer nurse in the state. But
youth wise, you'll see sixteen to sixteen year old, seventeen
year old and they are all all good players. And
you'll see that's the most amazing thing about the amateur
is you find one or two so young and so
good and we just kind of just dreamed about being

(25:04):
that young again.

Speaker 5 (25:04):
Yes, well, we wish you the best of block good looking.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Yeah, good luck man.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
We we we're going to get out of here, and
we appreciate your time.

Speaker 6 (25:12):
Man, Well, thank you so much for the for the
opportunity to be on your podcast.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
No problem, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 6 (25:19):
Take care all right.

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Speaker 4 (26:51):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back and uh.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
And Hollis, I and Lisa.

Speaker 7 (26:58):
Normally you're y'all are good co host right, but today.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
I think y'all are trying to look slided. I was
trying to get some tips. You wasn't trying doing you
was getting some tips. I was trying. Hollis, have you
have you ever played golf? Yeah? I played, Yeah, you know,
so I can play sensibly.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Is it the hardest sport that you think you've ever
been associated with?

Speaker 7 (27:29):
Well, I played a lot of tennis outside of football, basketball, baseball.
I would say probably baseball's is probably the hardest sport
that I play. But I think the thing with golf
is just you know, you can tell you have to
spend hours and hours and hours, days and days. You
have to log that ten thousand hours because you can
literally hit a ball. You hit that drive, and you

(27:50):
hit a chip shot, putt it, you get it perfect,
and it goes in, does what you want, and then
the next twenty times you hit it, it does you
left right. You're not doing anything correct. So it's one
of those things. And to like Pat said, it's just
you verse you, It really is. And I think that,
you know, growing up, because we played you know, football, basketball, baseball,

(28:13):
we played the sports where it's kind of a versus
you somebody else, we didn't necessarily think about how difficult
those sort of single sports are where you really are
in your own head, and if you haven't kind of
a you know, you're in your head that day, you're
just not gonna you're in your head.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yeah, I tried. I tried. Can I say that? Can
I try?

Speaker 5 (28:36):
Actually it started in my backyard years many moons ago,
and a friend of mine had played golf at you see,
I was young, obviously, and he was like, you gotta
you know. He gave me a driver, He's like and
I hit the ball and I was like, wow, I
did great, and he said, okay, you know, so let's
take this to coon skin. I lasted three holes and
I threw the club and I was like, this is

(28:56):
not for me. And I rode around in the car
and that was it. That was my big golf experience.
Like I just have the mindset, the everything about it.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
It's really hard, it.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Really is, man, and I've been trying to play it
for for a long time.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
I haven't played.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
I probably played like three or four times in the
last the last few years for a whole host of
different reasons. But my plan is to at some point
I'm going to get what I'm going to consider pretty
good to where I'm sumfortable.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
That's see.

Speaker 5 (29:27):
You guys both are going to be our next golf pressure.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
The amateur definitely going to play. Yeah. My plan is,
My plan is I'll.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Cheer you on, you know, just because like it's it's
difficult not to it's difficult to yourself not to be
good at it.

Speaker 7 (29:42):
And I think it's one of those sports I would
really and that's the reason I asked you the question
about just kids in general play. I would really love
to see more kids play a sport like that so
they just understand how to deal with the middle side
of whatever they're going through and how to auto correct
yourself in like kind of getting your own mind and
then getting out and just playing.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
Yeah, I think that would be cool too, but I
think they would have to start it at a younger age.

Speaker 7 (30:08):
But well, I don't necessarily mean, like he said, not
necessarily that you're going to go be up golf, bro,
but just to play, even like if you just pick
it up in high school and just to kind of
get out there.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
It's a great hobby.

Speaker 5 (30:19):
It's a great pastime and something when you get older
and you can't really be like the jogger, the you know,
doing the things with you know, it's.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Something you can do. It's a great mental testest.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
But see, like two, it's not like it's starts. You
can start it like a hobby or something that you
just like to do. But there's a but there's something
about golf that works you into there's obsession over it,
like like you're not okay just being yeah, like you

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you're just not comfortable with being okay, you know you.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
I got to be better than everybody who I'm.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Playing with, and and and I don't know if there's
and I guess that's true for maybe all sports, but
there's something about golf that makes me feel like you
have to you have to be good, like you know,
I've got a couple of golf tournaments coming up, and
I haven't played in a while, so I'm seeing myself
like hitting.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
The ball way left, way right, dribbling it off the
tea and you need to go to the driving range
that I'm not sure that's gonna fix it anyway.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
But now, interesting, interesting conversation. We're gonna switch gears drastically here, Yes,
Kaitlin Carr Clark supposedly, And I guess I don't know
if the suit's going through or but there's been conversation,

(31:50):
so it's not confirmed, but there's conversation about that with
her and and Reese, Angel and Angel Reese and I
and I know this has a has a racial tone
to it, but it's a funny one to me actually,
because to me, and I'll take anybody's criticism here when

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I say this, to me, Caitlin Clark is the reason
why I watch the WBA w NBA, and I don't
really watch the NBA. If I get a chance to
watch her, I'm watching her because because of the notoriety. Now,
I don't necessarily think that the notoriety that she's getting

(32:36):
or what she's got, what she got is unfair because
people are saying, oh, all the attention is on her
just because she's white and she's good.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
I don't really think that that's the case.

Speaker 7 (32:49):
I think, you know, I go back to Bird and Magic, right,
there wasn't There wasn't a racial piece to that. There
was two great players trying to figure out who's the
best player in the NBA. And see that's where and
that's where I'm at because I look at this, I
just and this is gonna be a criticism of the WNBA.
Whoever is the marketing department, it's just awful. They're awful.

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This was the moment in which the w NBA could
take two young superstars. This was their Magic and Bird moment, right,
you know why, and even even going back to when
they were drafted, why didn't one go to the Eastern
Conference and one go to the Western Conference? And you
could literally replicate it what it took the NBA to
get popular because remember seventies, sixties fifty, NBA was not

(33:37):
the sport, right right, Their championships were on delay, tape delay.
They weren't even lying.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
And I'll go, I'll go a step further. I'll go
to step further. The w NBA is capitalizing on all
this notoriety and all this rivalry between Clark and Reese.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
But it's not on the on the court. It could
be on the.

Speaker 5 (33:54):
Court, I agree there, but they're capitalizing on all of
the talk of the you know w NBA analysts saying,
you know, one's a victim and ones being bullied, and
and and.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
They're promoting that.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
And ESPN has been doing the same on some of
their w NBA shows, and and and go a step
further than that. I think they've scheduled these two teams,
the Sky and who's the other team, Fever? Sky and
Fever are going to play. You know normally, I don't
know how many games they normally play like, you know,
competition the teams in the in the league. But they're
playing five times this year and this is the first.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Game they're in the same conference, so they do always
play five Okay, okay.

Speaker 7 (34:33):
But I'm sorry, go ahead, no, you go ahead. No,
I'm just saying to your point, and you're exactly right,
And it's why not make the issue on the court, right,
because they're trying to make all these ancillary issues that
are eventually going to fade right and are are kind
of silly. But why not make the issue on the court,
because what you can do. You can make it about

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the variants of style, Andeur Reese plays one way, Caitlin
Clark plays another one. Right, you can make it about they're.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
The best two players, what they do at.

Speaker 7 (35:04):
Their age and what they're at And then even on
top of just setting them to a side, you have
a sup a megastar, Agia Wilson.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Who gets lost in this.

Speaker 7 (35:15):
Yeah, I mean she's she's she's literally her shoes sold
out like in like five minutes after his release. So
it's like just whoever does the marketing for the w BA.
It's just they consistently dropped the ball.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
I'm thinking it's because I truly think that they think
that this piece of it is.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Is golden by itself. You know, they don't need to
touch it.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
They can just let it be, just let it progress,
and and they're gonna get more viewers.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
They're gonna get more. Do you But do you feel
like it turns people off? It? Kind of? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (35:55):
For me, it's a total and complete turn off. Like,
I don't want it. I don't want I want to
see the sport. I want to see the athletes. I
want to see them, like you said, on the court, competing,
showing their talents and doing what they do best.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
And this this side, you know.

Speaker 5 (36:10):
This little side circus they got going on about, you know,
the racism, and.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
I just don't feel like that's really it. I don't
feel like it.

Speaker 5 (36:17):
I feel like it's two women athletes that are very
competitive and they don't like each other.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
I don't care what color they are, they just don't
like it. That's fun and they make it fun. They
got to compete against others, want to get you want
to do that on the court.

Speaker 7 (36:34):
And you know, and again I understand racial politics and
you know, all things that we do, sports politics, education, whatever.
But at some point it's like, dang, I just like we,
like you said, I want to see the athletes. I
want to see the game. I want to see these
two young superstars lift that incount age. Wilson is to
lift that league to new heights. And I think that's

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the opportunity and that gets lost in all.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
The And I'll say this to me when I when
I try to put those two athletes side by side,
and to your very very valid point, early on they
play different positions, you know, but when you look, when
you look at it, you know, Caitlyn is she's scoring more,

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shooting more, assists more. She's she's she's more of what
She's a Steph Curry.

Speaker 7 (37:29):
She's a modern She's a modern basketball player. Where Reese
is the throw, based is the throw.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
I love it. She you know, she's not going she's
not out there shooting threes.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
She's underneath the basket, she's grabbing the rebound, she's doing
all these kinds of things. And so you could make
the case that it would be like comparing somebody who's
playing who's running track and another person who's playing football
is so different.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
Because they don't do the same thing. And that's what
makes it fun.

Speaker 7 (38:01):
And I think the conversation could really be that, you know,
just about just how they're going to play different and
because you have a throwback player which I can appreciate
it back to the basket player, and then you have
this modern player, and you know, we could really be
talking about that and like which one's gonna win the
championship sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
But go ahead.

Speaker 5 (38:21):
I was just gonna say, you know, I really feel
like if the if the sports analysts, the w NBA
analysts would just kind of you know, kind of keep
toning it down and let the girls, excuse me, let
them do their spicy tweets toward each other and their
social media, you know, the kind of jag you know,
they jab at each other. That's fun because that's competitive.
It's not really you know, going going that next level

(38:43):
as far as like what the some of the analysts
are doing. They're pushing it to a point that it's
almost a political kind of feel. We don't write that well,
not in sports.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
Well because right now, and I'm gonna say for for most,
for most, for the for what I would think in
the fan base, I would think the fan base really
wants to try to figure out who's just the best player,
and unfortunately or fortunately they're both best players in different things.

Speaker 7 (39:10):
But I don't think they're figuring out who's the best player.
I'm figuring out they're figuring out like who they like stylistically, right.
I think it's that. I think it's like you're figuring
out what style you're like. And the women of the
w NBA are winning so hard if you look at
like their peril line, like I told you, like Angel
Wilson has the hottest shoe right now. Angel Reaches just

(39:32):
released her shoe. Kaitlin Clark is going to be releasing her.
They're doing McDonald's commercials, they're on cereal boxes. They are
winning so hard right now far as on that end.
But yet we're just talking about something.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
That's just not it's not there. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
Has a w NBA taking the wrong path? And this
may even play into how you started a college? Did
they take the.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Wrong path in how to grow your your your league?
Because I think there is some this controversy.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
We're talking about it, ESPN's talking about it, so that's
getting it out, But is that getting the league out
or have they done an injustice to the entire league
and not promoting the advancement of it.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
I think one hundred percent, because I think again they.

Speaker 7 (40:23):
Adage all bad publicity's good publicity doesn't matter long as
this publicity rights.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
As you.

Speaker 7 (40:28):
Yeah, I don't necessarily buy into that. I don't want
some bad publicity. But I think what's happened is that
the opportunity that I saw and we saw, we talked
about a lot a lot of this last year, was
that the style of play, the grittiness, the back to
the basket play. The traditional basketball fan, if you grew
up watching basketball in the nineties and eighties and you

(40:51):
watch the NBA versus WNBA, you're probably going to lean
more to the w NBA just because of the.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Style of play.

Speaker 7 (40:58):
Yeah, And I think that's what they could have played up, Like, look,
we're not soft like the men's league. We're just not
out here just shooting. This ain't pretty because even if
you look at somebody like Andrew, she's a beautiful woman,
but she plays gritty and ugly and I love it.
I love that ses on the floor, I love that
she gets in rebounds. I'm loving that style of play.
And I think in addition to like sort of the

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glamorous side of what they did, which I thought they
do a good job of, like Christy Brinkley and short
of like these women are essentially supermodels, but they have
a style of play that's a throwback. And I think
if they would have wa far as marketing would have
merged those two things, kind of skip the controversy for now,
focus on that, because again, even if you look at

(41:40):
how leagues grow, if you study the NFL, if you
study the NBA, they had to kind of get away
from the controversy, focus on the play, get the play
to where they could get it, and then they were
able to capitalize on the marketing side of it. And
then obviously, you know you can market play, mark right

(42:01):
market that's what is going to keep you coming back
right right.

Speaker 5 (42:04):
And also, this is another point that I want to
bring up about the NBA. You think about the household
names that have come from that league. You know, WNBA
started in nineteen ninety seven, you really haven't heard a
lot about individual players until recently with Caitlin Clark and
Angel Reese and who was the other last Jels. Yes,
so they're they're they're making strides in getting closer to

(42:27):
having those household names, which is something that's essential. You
got to have that to be on the same level
as the NBA. And it's going to take a minute
because you think about the NBA was established in what
nineteen forty nine, and and you know wa WNBA was
nineteen ninety seven, So they've got a hot minute to go.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
But you know, this is a this is a good start.
I mean, they're they're going in.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
The right direction, but they need to steer it back into,
like you said, focusing on the play on the court,
you know, promoting that strategic type of game rather than
the flashy style that the NBA provides.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
Well, and I think and I think where you where
the competitiveness of the w n B A is outstanding
to me. You don't need anything else just if you're
just out there playing, If they're just playing and they're
not talking, if they're not talking off the court about
anything other than the game itself that they playing, I

(43:23):
think it's a I think it's I think it's the
top sport to watch and I and I think they're
losing that.

Speaker 7 (43:30):
I think that I agree with you one hundred percent.
And I just say, like we're living in a time
where it's just like we're constantly innundated with bad news
right where there's politics, where this what is that, it's
it's always something because now we get everything. It's not
even back in the day where you're kind of just
stuck to your local state news.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
We get everything from around the world.

Speaker 7 (43:51):
So at some point when you have the opportunity in
a sport that I believe is on the rise, that
I believe is a had a point inching closer better
to its predecessor. And even like I talked about the marketing,
marketing is important as far as like the shoe deals
and stuff you have, Probably the top three shoe lines
are gonna be women now that far as far as

(44:13):
the new not like not count Jordan's, but the top
when Kaylen Clark, Angel Rees and Angel Wilson when they
got the shoe, they're gonna be the tops. They're gonna
be the number one sellers. So you have an amazing opportunity.
And I just wish to your point, Lisa, that the commentators,
that the talking heads at the national.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Level don't blow it. Yeah, well you're yeah, you're not
gonna be able to point.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
Yeah, when when when those shoes drop and the publicity
comes with those shoes, you don't have time to be
sitting back there talking about some kind of petty stuff
about that happened on the court.

Speaker 7 (44:47):
Yeah, because now it's like and it's just like the men,
because now it was like some little some like little
girls and little boys. Now they may know that they
play basketball, but they may just like the shoes, like
we've been with Jordan's and all the other stuff, you
know what I mean. So it's it's like sort of
multi level. So now you can have the play on
the court, you can have the peril, you can have
the personalities. And now the women have taken it a

(45:07):
step further because, like I said, these women are essentially models,
so now it's even that. So now you've got the
little girls who just may look at that Kristin Brinkley
and say she's glamorous, she's beautiful and all. She played
basketball too, So it's like they really got an opportunity
to really do something I think differently.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
So let me ask you guys both the question and
we just I just talked about the household names. They're
covering that base, we're covering the merch. Okay, so that's
the second that's another step in going in the right direction.
How is it that the w NBA can convince the
media to give them as much coverage as the NBA gets,
because we all know they've got to buy into it

(45:47):
just as much, you know, money wise as any other
part of them becoming, you know, a popular brand. So
do you feel like the media is buying into it
like as much as the NBA?

Speaker 3 (45:58):
I do, I will. I feel like a lot of their.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
Games are on ESPN correct rather than the ABC, NBC's
like the NBA is. So how do you convince those
outlets to kind of buy in?

Speaker 3 (46:09):
I think they're in, You think I think that I
think they're in.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
I just think that what they're what what they're doing
is there's just a few stars that they're that they're
focusing on. They're looking at the things that are going
on in between those things. Which is it which is
limiting the actual play of the game.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
When's the last time you heard somebody how many points
they got?

Speaker 4 (46:33):
You only got when you say that, well, Reech got
this many, Clark got that many.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
You know what I'm saying. It's like a comparison right,
and I would say which goes to the household names
to that point, yes.

Speaker 7 (46:44):
I would say the league has they made their I
believe in the future they're gonna maybe think about starting
the season at a different time. Okay, I think starting
the season in the spring, because what happens is you
started after basketball season pretty mint NBA ends, and then
it's awkward because it starts at like the end of
the school year, going in the summer, yes, right.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
So number one, but you go ahead.

Speaker 7 (47:08):
I'm just saying, like number one, like a lot of
people sort of are transitioning as far as kind of
what else they're doing because there's other stuff going on.
So it's like the schedules not necessarily set. And I'm
talking about kids, yeah, summer vacation, different things like that.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
So I think that it's tough just when it starts.

Speaker 7 (47:27):
I don't know far as kind of when that could be,
if that can be tweaked, because I think the goal
for them is to have all eyes on them, but
it's difficult in that season.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
It's just difficult because it's out of season.

Speaker 5 (47:42):
Put it there. Then they're competing with college and NFL.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
That's what I don't have anything.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
That is a major problem because you don't really have
a place. You don't want them competing against football. But
I would say, here's.

Speaker 7 (47:58):
How I mean, I'm I'm not saying that this is it,
but this may be just a suggestion. I would possibly
start it in January. No mid season NBA, because mid
season NBA up until like kind of a little bit
after the All Star Break is just a blah watching
basketball during that season. So I'm saying, if you had

(48:20):
the season started in January, didn't have your championship, either
right before the playoffs or right before the men have
their the NBA has their championship, So I wouldn't possibly
consider moving it to that. I mean, it's a little crowded,
but it's not as crowded. Baseball necessarily hasn't started yet.
College football season's ending, NFL ending, so really the only

(48:43):
thing that's really started that the basketball midway point, and
it's drys heck midway point basketball.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
It's not good basketball during that time.

Speaker 7 (48:51):
So I would start the season in January until January, February, March,
April ended in May, so it's ending now. So my
my champion beion ship series right before the men's So
that way it would you can watch the women's and
then you watch.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
The men's do we I need to be the commitsion.
So you got here, so I'm.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Assuming you're a commissioner. Yeah, I'm gonna treat you as
a commissioner. So the n b A, can you shut
down the number of games? I mean like that, because
that I mean they to me, they they played too
many teams.

Speaker 7 (49:25):
Anyway, Unfortunately, I know that guy. It's the way the guys,
it's about money. It's guaranteed contracts in the NBA. The
guys getting paid exhamited in the amount of money. So
it's just way too much money. So nah, and I
think that's to me, that's the beauty of the w
n b A. It's not as many games, so they
can go a lot harder for a lot that shorter period.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
And what makes it, what makes it attractive is how
hard they go. And if you if you flip through
the channels and you see an NBA game, it's one guy, Yeah,
it's one or two guys.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Even watching the game last night.

Speaker 5 (49:59):
It was just oh yeah, it was yond I turned
it on and they were up by like twenty.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
I can't believe this is like a com final. This
is awful. How do you get a conference final with
with those types of scores?

Speaker 5 (50:14):
It was, it was bad, and you know, the viewership
was like, you know, it's a week not anyway, you're
not work.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
You're not standing up for that.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
What you realized it looks like now we can't say
they can't come back?

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Would you lose me once?

Speaker 4 (50:29):
You?

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Yeah, get on and it's a three to one series.

Speaker 7 (50:32):
So it's just like me many, well, Hallis, I think
you have to you have to run. So me and
recent me and Lisa, well, well we'll close out.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
So you know.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
Kind of going on this theme that we're talking about
with the w n b A and the NBA, I
wonder if there's a way they could partner like the
teams like you know, like Hollis said, start the season
for the w NBA in January. I think that's an
excellent idea because the season does get kind of boring
at that point, and then maybe pair up like you
could do like a doubleheader or some type like you
could have like your Dallas Mavericks versus the WNBA or

(51:14):
not versus, but you could have their game first and
then follow up.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
With the women's team in Texas. I'm not sure which
team it is.

Speaker 5 (51:20):
I'm not that familiar, but do something that would promote
the WNBA kind of get you know, arm in arm
with the NBA to kind of help get them going.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Kin And if I'm understanding you, are they doing that? Well? No,
I don't think so, but I'm wondering. Let's assume Let's
say I just say.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
Minnesota NBA team, NBA team or WNBA team in Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Right, That's what I mean. So could they to me
I'm looking at that, could they play back to back?
That's what I mean? Yes, yes, so I would think
that would be that would be ideal.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
Now, the problem if I'm the NBA is what the
w NBA looks like after me, because it's gonna look
because you're gonna you're you're gonna turn off the NBA
probably and wait on the w n B a game
just because at this point it's a one or two
guy possibly on the team.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
But even that guy's not I don't know. I don't
know if it's they're not necessary.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
I don't want to say not notable, but it's not
a draw like they're not the person.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
You know, there's not. You don't have to w n
B A NBA. NBA is not the draw. Yeah, I
don't think the NBA is the draw. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (52:37):
I think I think I'm gonna go a different opinion
on that. NBA is still popular. I mean, I know this,
especially this time. I like to watch it this time
of you're except for the game last night, I mean,
I like the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
See how many how many times are you getting those
type those types of games?

Speaker 3 (52:54):
You know, they're they're they're they're happening more and more.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Yeah, so now you're shutting it off halftime, you know
you're going to bed.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
You know, it's just it just is.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
And you're also there's there's there's not necessarily the old
Laker team, the old Celtics team where you know everybody.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
On the team.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
You know a couple of people on the team, and
and that's it. So the teams are not being they're
not well known overall, right, which they used to be.
Now the w n B A is basically the whole
w NBA is surrounded by maybe three to four or
five players.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Yeah that's about it, and that's about it at this point.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
And but but yet people are attracted to those Well, I.

Speaker 5 (53:42):
Think it's well, it's kind of like what what Hollis
was saying in the beginning about the style of play,
and you've said this too. If you want that strategic
type of old school basketball, then you're you're going to
naturally be attracted to the w n b A and
watching those games. But if you still like those flashy,
dunking three pointer type of games that are you know,

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for some people that's that's what they like to watch
in basketball, not so much fun the fundamentals, then they're
attracted to the NBA. So I think it's two different
entertainment values that people are seeking, and so one league
meets the needs of this type of audience and then
the other meets the needs of the you know, a
different audience. So to me, pairing them up would be

(54:29):
like the best of both worlds.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Right Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
The kind of fan that I am to say, basketball,
I want to see I want to see the guy
or the girl, you know what I'm saying, whoever that
person is or what it used to be used to
be the team, right, you know, I wanted to see
the Lakers. I wanted to see the Celtics.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
I want you know what I'm saying, Like, and you
don't think it's still team oriented.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
I do think a lot of people are kind of
like the NFL, you have a team regardless of the players.
Like for me, I'll bring it up. I like the
Packers and whether Aaron Rodgers fan, I like Jordan Love
So I mean to me, it's the same with the NBA.
People have a team and they follow that team regardless
of who plays plays it.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
They don't follow players. See, I'm thinking you don't think that. No,
I don't just see I don't know, I really don't.
I really your opinion. I really think, I.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
Really think that that they that it does follow the
players now in W the W n b A, I
think it is, well it was, it's all.

Speaker 5 (55:39):
The n b A, the NBA, I still which has
a bigger viewership and and more household names and people
know the names of the teams.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
I mean, I think the I think they remember the team. Well, yeah,
you remember the team. But I'm thinking they're still following now,
they're following players maybe the younger generation. Yes, yes, okay,
you know and and and I'll give you that, Scott,
because I'm gonna say it. I'm just giving you that that.

Speaker 7 (56:07):
Steph Curry, you're following him. If he move the team,
you're following him.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
I don't know what do you mean?

Speaker 5 (56:15):
I mean, I mean, I think people follow teams still.
I don't think we've gotten that far away from it.
Maybe the younger generation, but I mean, I can't see
somebody that has a If you're an.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Old school Laker fan or Celtic fan, you probably are students.

Speaker 5 (56:31):
See a lot of like Oklahoma, what are they thunder
or whatever. I don't see a lot of those jerseys
compared to Lakers jerseys or or or Celtic jerseys. I mean,
I still think the old school Go.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Ahead, all right, producer dropping the help.

Speaker 10 (56:46):
I got one player's name that I think, unfortunately goes
with what Carl is saying here. Lebron James, Well, okay,
he has been with what that's like Michael Jordan's well,
but same level, Brian.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Now, no, I'm at the level of popularity.

Speaker 5 (57:03):
I'm not saying talent, I'm saying popularity.

Speaker 10 (57:06):
I will say this, I have always read it for
the Chicago Bulls because I grew up in the Jordan era,
and so I started becoming a Chicago Bulls fan when
he was in the league, and I still keep an
eye on what they're doing, So.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
I will give you that.

Speaker 10 (57:21):
But I think it just kind of depends because some teams,
like the Bulls, have been in that championship talk for years,
and then there are other teams out there that have
had good players but they never really got all the
way through. And so you know, you developed that relationship,
you kind of follow that player, and so you do
kind of follow them around the league.

Speaker 5 (57:42):
But so you're you're kind of being You're kind of
being Switzerland here.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Yeah, I like it. I like it.

Speaker 5 (57:49):
That's a good way to handle it.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
And I hate and I hate to say this, but.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
When you throw the Bronze name out there, I don't
know if I just don't know if anybody's quote following him.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Oh come on, if you you.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
May have followed him from the start, but now you're
you're twenty teams in.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
That's a fair point. You're twenty teams in. Like, dude,
I can't you know, you took me.

Speaker 7 (58:25):
From the East coast to the West coast, from the
north and south.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
I mean, like, I can't, I can't. I can't roll
with you, you know, because I actually.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Did like that.

Speaker 5 (58:34):
But are they truly fans of the team or are
they just just watching the player?

Speaker 3 (58:38):
I mean, are they rooting actively? Old school?

Speaker 4 (58:41):
I think they were the team and all the players
that were on the team today, I think it's the player.

Speaker 10 (58:47):
With Lebron, he was fine until he went to the Lakers.
He went to the team other than the Chicago Bulls.
You got it's the Bulls, the Celtics, and the Lakers.
If you talk about any of those three teams, Yeah,
you know immediately, And I think when he jumped to
the Lakers, it was almost like the opposite thing. It
was like, Oh, he's going out there because he wants.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
To build a super team.

Speaker 10 (59:09):
Yeah, like it became too obvious.

Speaker 5 (59:11):
Yeah, yeah, oh for sure, I'll agree with that.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Well, we're probably not gonna take this anywhere. I think
we'll just all agree to disagree somewhat. Yeah. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
Well, ladies and gentlemen, we hope that you enjoyed the
show and we will be back again next week.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
We'll see you later.

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