May 8, 2025 • 54 mins
In this episode, former Cincinnati Reds pitcher Chris Reed shares his baseball journey, discussing everything from being drafted at 17 to the cultural shock of moving from California to West Virginia. The podcast offers a raw, honest look at the realities of professional sports, the importance of work ethic, and the evolving landscape of athletic careers.
Whether you're a sports enthusiast, aspiring athlete, or just love hearing authentic stories from those who've been in the game, "Let's Talk with Carl Lee" delivers compelling narratives that go beyond the scoreboard. Highlights include: - Firsthand accounts from professional athletes - Insights into draft experiences - Discussions on sports culture and career challenges - Personal stories of perseverance and growth New episodes weekly - tune in for real talk about sports and life!
Whether you're a sports enthusiast, aspiring athlete, or just love hearing authentic stories from those who've been in the game, "Let's Talk with Carl Lee" delivers compelling narratives that go beyond the scoreboard. Highlights include: - Firsthand accounts from professional athletes - Insights into draft experiences - Discussions on sports culture and career challenges - Personal stories of perseverance and growth New episodes weekly - tune in for real talk about sports and life!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
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on Let's Talk.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, this is Carl Lee with Let's Talk,
and it's me and the Football Queen today, Lisa Odie.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
We're the only two that made it today. And Lisa
has a friend that.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
She has on the phone and that we will talk to.
So Lisa, if you want to introduce and bring him in,
go right ahead.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
I would love that.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
Okay, So today we have a special guest and I
wanted to give a little background information on our friend.
But he's a former pitcher. Drafted in nineteen ninety one
in round seven by the Cincinnati Reds. He had a
career record of fifty seven wins fifty two losses, with
a four point four to e ra overall in his
one hundred and seventy six game career. He was also
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a part of the Charleston Wheelers team during his tenure.
He's originally from Anaheim, California, and now resides in Charleston.
And here's a little something that I'm going to share,
And I hope he doesn't mind that I share it
because I found.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Out about it.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
You go digging, always go digging too far, carl He
was roommates with Aaron Boone in college. Oh and so
if you if you're not aware of who he is,
he's a current baseball manager and a former player with
the New York Yankees. So, without further ado, I would
like to introduce Chris Read to the show.
Speaker 7 (02:10):
Hello, Chris, Hey, how are you guys doing doing good?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Man?
Speaker 7 (02:15):
So, actually I'll give you a little So Aaron was
actually we didn't we didn't play together in college. We
were we played against each other in high school and
he was at Villa Park High School. I was at
Catella and so we played on some all star teams together,
played against each other in high school. And then I
got drafted to ninety one. He went on to USC oh.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Okay, so that part was wrong.
Speaker 7 (02:39):
Yeah, then he so then he was drafted by the
Reds in the third round. I think it was in
ninety three or ninety four. And then we were we
were roommates in a ball double a.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
Okay, so you were roommates, not in college, Yeah, just
in college.
Speaker 7 (02:54):
Okay, I still talk. I still talk to him, and
I said, we've remained friends. He's a little bit hard
to get a hold of sometimes. Now you got some
other thing, some other press were pressing issues. But yeah,
we texted, you know, at least once a month, and yeah,
still keep in contact.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
That's great.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
So so, Chris.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
One of the one of the things that I have
I think that I find intriguing about sports because have
played in the NFL and had the opportunity to be drafted.
When you got drafted, what was it like Because people
asked that question a lot of times, like what is
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it like to I don't know, I'm assuming that they
give you calls.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
They you know, I don't even know how they do it,
but like, what were you doing? Where were you at?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
How excited were you at that point? I'm taking you
all the way back to the start.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
Yeah, yeah, I know. So obviously, you know, the draft
back then was you know, we didn't have uh Internet,
you know, we didn't have that. We I don't think
we had barely had cell phones at that point. Yeah.
So so I started being like looked at when I
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was a junior in high school. So I I had,
you know, spoken to all of the major league teams.
They watched me pitch, they kind of followed me, and
it was funny. The only team that I did not
speak to my senior year was the Cincinnati Ritz. So
I had, you know, I've spoken to all the scouts, guys,
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National cross checkers would come out and watch, and you know,
I had meetings with them and they talked came into
my house and talked to my family, and you know,
I had ranges everywhere from the fourth round all the
way to being a draft and follow So I I
kind of thought, you know, I was there's three days
in the draft. It was June, second, third, and fourth.
So I kind of figured, you know, hopefully I was
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going to go through the first day. And so we
had a party at my house. And I'd be honest
with you, I wasn't a big baseball guy like I
I wanted. I had a couple of college offers to
play football, and that was kind of my that was
kind of my love. So I wasn't you know, it
was of course, it was an exciting time, but that
was really kind of really what what I wanted to do.
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And so we had a party of my house and uh,
they called at The draft started at like ten in
the morning, and I got a call about noon and
I got the phone and the gentleman said, Hey, this
is Larry Barton with the Cincinnati Reds. He was my
he was the scout in the area and we just
want to let you know we just draft you. And
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I thought it was my buddy, and I hung up.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
You hung up on a scout, I did, I did.
Speaker 7 (05:51):
I thought it was I thought it was my buddy,
Eric Boyd messing with me. So I hung up and
they call. They called right back, and Larry's like, Chris, no, no, no, no, no,
He said, this is Larry. Never from you know, all
the game. I hadn't really I hadn't really talked to
the Reds and he said he, why don't you know
he drafted in the in the in the seventh round,
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and uh, you know we're going to be out to
see you know, see you here real soon and negotiate
your contract and you know, get everything set to go.
So yeah, so it was kind of a funny little
a funny little thing that happened there that first day.
But yeah, obviously, you know, extremely excited and honored just
to you know, have that opportunity because it's you know,
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it was it was, it was it was just really neat.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
It was.
Speaker 7 (06:37):
It was fun to get that call and be like,
oh my gosh, somebody actually does become worth something.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
When when when was the first When was the first
moment that you actually thought about, Man, I'm going to
be playing against people that I have watched on TV, Like,
you know, like when did that come in? Because for like,
for me, it was like really kind of quick, but
it was kind of private. I never really wanted to
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say that, like to anybody, but I was like, man, okay,
so I'm gonna you know, and because you're thinking you're
making it anyway, you know, there's no there's no fight
in not making it. And I'm like thinking, man, I'm
going to be playing against some of these guys and
I can't even imagine, like, you know this guy or
that guy.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
You know, did you go through that process as well?
Speaker 7 (07:26):
Well, yeah, you know, it really hit I mean again,
it was it was kind of that whirlwind there for
that first day. And then they came out a day
later and it was the National cross Checker who was
Julian Mock at the time, and Larry and then Larry's
sudden was also a scouting and Jeff and they all
three came out to my house and it was at
that point when they like laid all this stuff out
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on the table and you know, the headings on all
the papers sitting down your red uh, you know, a congratulation,
you know, a letter for Marge shot whether you what
you think of her.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
You know.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
So I think that's kind of when it really hit me,
because you know, growing up, I wasn't again, I wasn't
a huge baseball guy. Like I played baseball just because
it was fun and I enjoyed it and I've had
a good time being out there with my buddies, so
I wasn't like a kid that avidly watched baseball every
night on TV and went to five hundred Angel games.
Speaker 8 (08:24):
You know.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
I just it just wasn't a huge part of my life.
So I didn't really know a whole lot about like
a lot. I mean, you knew the big names, right,
the Ken Griffis and and then I again when I
saw that stuff on the table and I'm like and
then they brought out my contract. I think that's kind
of when it hit and I was like, oh man,
this is real. I don't know a lot about the
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Cincinnati red but I mean.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
You're about to find out that I heard.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
Them guy guy played for them called Pete Rose I
think bitchy. But yeah, that was probably the first time
it really hit me, is when I when you know,
they were there and I got to see you know
everything you know that was that was Cincinnati Reds, and
they started talking about the money piece and all their stuff,
and it was like, wow, this is really. I was
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seventeen at the time.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
That's crazy, you're a baby.
Speaker 7 (09:17):
Yeah, my parents both sided my first contract. If it
wasn't eighteen years old.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Ye oh wow, oh that amazing.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
Hey, hey, listen, Chris, I was. I was reading some
of the bio that you had sent me earlier, and
I know that you participated in at least five big
league spring training camps.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
So so walk us through that. What was that like
for you?
Speaker 7 (09:40):
Yeah, so that's so, you know, like we were in
plant City at the time. That's where our spring training
contracts was, and you got you know, you have the
big clubhouse and on the left hand side of the
minor league guys, and then you got the offices in
the middle and you got the big league clubhouse on
the other side. So, you know, my first couple of years,
I went to to minor league camp and that starts
a little bit later. You know, the big guys usually
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get there, you know, mid February. Minor league camp doesn't
start until first week in March typically, And so that's
my first couple of years. I think my first big
league spring training was ninety five. So that was really
that was really cool because I got to go down
there early, obviously overwhelmed my Jose Rijo's in there and
very lark and you know these guys are all you know,
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the Don Gullett, I mean, all these you know, the
name George Foster and all these guys you see in
the clubhouse and you're like, oh my gosh. So that
that was that was that was a real eye opening
experience for that that first big league camp, I think
I only lasted about two weeks and they sent me
back down. They'd seen enough like that, you're not going
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to be a part of the Cincinnati Reads this year,
but you know, well we'll keep you up. But anyway,
so yeah, so did that and then I was invited
the next four years and I stayed a little bit
longer every time. But you know, it just comes down
to it, Uh yeah, I just wasn't good enough to maintain.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
Yeah, to get to that level and maintain and it's
that's that's got to be difficult.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
But but but I think, but I think though in baseball,
like I think it's it's more challenging too, because there's
so many skill sets that you have to have. Like
you know, in football, you know, if you can tackle,
if you can throw, if you can do this, you
you kind of got a good shot. I think baseball,
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you you have like a ton of different things that
you actually have to do and and and I think
that to me is is the huge challenge, what was
your what was your best skill set? What do you
think was your best skill set when it came down
to to baseball?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
And and why, you.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
Know, I just I mean, I'm just I'm a poor loser.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (12:02):
Guest. I don't care if it's darts with my you know,
ten year old son. You know, I'm spiking the ball
when I beat him. So yeah, I'm I think just
being just over the top competitive. Always, always was just
trying to get better. I didn't have like the most
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talent obviously out there, but just you know, like you said,
just try to do the little things make you stand out,
you know, just work hard, you know, on and off
the field. Just in the weight room, first in the morning,
last one out. Just show them that you're fully vested
in the in the process that goes a long way.
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That'll carry you so far obviously, yeah, the first guy in,
the last guy out, and you're throwing eighty miles an hour,
probably not going to be around for a long but yeah,
work ethic. And I just think that, like I said,
the overall competitiveness of what I do, and I carry
it over today into my work life. I just I
just want to be I mean, I want to be
the best. What what what I what I'm doing and
it doesn't matter what it is.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
See and and one of the things.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
That I it drives me crazy is is that like
people who are in sports, people who have played it
at a high level, had opportunities to play it at
a high level, when when you talk to them, you
hear the same thing, you know, like this commitment and
this work ethic and and and I'm just I just
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have a feeling that I don't see that today in
some of the athletes who want to be great.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
You can you can you can tell.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
They want to be this, this, this player, They want
to be this, they want to get a D one scholarship,
they want to get to the pros, they want to
do all these kind of things. But they're they're at
practice playing the game. At practice playing the game. There's
no off season that they're putting in time, their own time,
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their own commitment into being whatever that is, football, basketball, baseball, track,
whatever that is, a business person, whatever that is. You've
gotta there's got to be a place in there where
there is that you have to be extra. You have
to put that extra in.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
I agree, and I think the times that have changed
now is you know, when back when I was growing
up and going through you know, little league, high school whatever,
you know, we had we had seasons. So I didn't
put all man and went back.
Speaker 8 (14:35):
I didn't.
Speaker 7 (14:35):
I didn't just play baseball, you know, I played football.
I played baseball. I had downtime when I could just
go outside and play you know, basketball and the driveway
with my friends. And I think that's the big difference too,
is I think a lot of these kids nowadays, obviously
all the travel ball and they're playing year round, and
I think it's too much. There's it's just it's too much.
Like I said, I think kids get burnt out. And
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I always say this. I think the bigges problem with
professional baseball was when they started publishing the bonus numbers, right,
so it's it's not always the kid, but when mom
and dad see that so and so out of high
school signed for nine million dollars and a big league contract,
I think there's a lot of pressure from the you know,
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from the parents to push these kids to something that
you know, they may want the other interests. They're gonna
get burned out, like I've seen it, and I'll coach
my kids, you know, little league team, and even at
ten eleven years old, some of these kids they don't
want to be out there, but it's because their parents
and they've got them doing pitching lessons and hitting lessons
and all of this other stuff for kids that are like,
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you know, the world needs tu but players too, And
that's the reality of it, right, And I think I
think a lot of it today again stems from the parent.
The parent piece of it, just push, push, push, push push,
and then as soon as these kids get old enough
to make their own decisions, they're like, I don't want
to do this anymore. So I think it's there's a
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there's a very fine line between you know, kids. I
think every kid that you go out in the little
league fields if they want to be a major league
baseball player. But that's just not reality, you know. Like
I said, it's not and again I think you said
it perfectly. It's not always just the talent piece of it.
It's just the commitment piece of it. But I think
because they're getting so much of it early on, that
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they just lose that commitment piece because they're just burned out.
I heard of doing it too.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Much.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
And and I know, I go back and I and
I look at the work that I put in. If
you go back and you look at the work that
you put in. I don't know if you played travel
baseball or any of that kind of stuff, but a
lot of times you were spending time on your own.
You were running, you were lifting, you were trying to
get stronger, you were trying to get faster, you were
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trying to just do all these kind of things.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Yeah, on your own.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
That that that benefited you going where I think now,
I think they think more games is better, you know.
And I think that that goes for the travel all
the travel sports.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
I think they.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Believe that if we play six games more, that's gonna
give you experience.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
You don't get experience playing the game. You get, you know,
the experience that.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
You need to to be able to play at the
next level is you need to be in shape, you
need to be strong, you need to do.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
All those kind of things.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, and I think that we're stuck in You know,
somebody scored forty points you know, on a on a
on a travel game against a team that's supposed to
be the number one team in the country. We want
to we want to celebrate him and think he's gonna
do something, and that's not a guarantee.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
Yeah, absolutely, I think you know, in sports in general now,
you know, professional baseball, you know, six months, seven months,
and if you play on the West Coast for the
Yankee or the Dodgers, the Yankees just even a little
bit longer usually, But it's a year round sport. I
mean it's you know, you're you're done, and you maybe
take a couple of weeks off and then like you said,
you're right back at it. You know, do a lot
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of running, cardiovascular obviously being a pitcher, a lot of
cardiovascular you know, weight training, and I think that is
improved too. I mean we didn't I think I don't
remember if we had like strength and conditioning coaches went
went with with Cincinnati. I mean, Marge was too cheap
to pay for that. But the seems that actually do
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think as well. You know, their strength and conditioning coaches
are are you know, having the kid that there are
top prospects, not bringing down every kid that's in their
minor league system. But again it's it's a full year
round workout and then you have all these places training facilities,
across the country that these that these kids go to
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and and yeah, it's a it's a it's a full
time job. It's it's definitely a full time job. And
I think that's where a lot of it too falls
up part with younger kids. And again, back when we
didn't have all of those options, you were you had
to do it yourself.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
It was intrinsic motivation. It had to be yeah, yeah,
it had to.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
Be when and when you're eighteen or nineteen, twenty years
old and you've been playing for four or five months
and now you're home with all your buddies, you know,
there's other priorities in your life.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
So at that age, you're.
Speaker 7 (19:23):
Really yeah, you really have to be committed, unless you're
just some freak athlete like you know, David Wells who
looked like a seventy year old You go out there
and throw after you had twenty seven beers and I.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Oh wow wow.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
So yeah, there are those freak ones out there that
don't have to put in the you know, as much work.
But I think now today is even worse. I mean,
to compete today at the professional level or even at
the D one level, I mean, it's it's a lot
of work. I mean, you really have to be committed
to do.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
So I'm going to go a different direction here. Chris.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
So, like we said in the bio, you're from Anaheim, California,
and when you were drafted. You eventually played at two
levels in West Virginia, correct Princeton and then in Charleston
with the Wheelers. So tell us about the culture shock.
What was it like going from California and the weather
and the and the the cities, the people and coming
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to West Virginia.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
What was that like?
Speaker 7 (20:25):
Oh my gosh, that was so. I remember I flew
out of John Wayne Airport that morning. I flew to
blue Field, Oh, West Virginia. That's where we landed, huge, huge,
and then drove to Princeton and we had an apartment
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on Mercer Street behind the Harley Davidson.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Bar So got lots of sleep, crespool, peaceful.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
Oh yeah, like I was my room made. My roommate
in rookie ball was one of my five because you
only made, you know, seven dollars a week play it
played in rookie ball. Uh So, we had five people
in apartment. Pokey Reefs was one of my roommates who
was the first round pick that year, played in the
big leagues for a while, has a couple of World
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Series rings.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (21:19):
But yeah, like that was that was. It was a
huge culture shock and then just the people it was.
You go into games and it was a different crowd
than I was used to play in California coming to
those games, but I loved it. I think it was fantastic.
It was a great experience. Princeton was a short because
it was short season rookie, so it was right after
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I was drafted. I went there. I was only played
in Princeton that season was only three months, two and
a half, three months long, and then came home, went
back for spring train the next year, and then they
you know, they sent me to I went to Billings
after that, which was high rookie ball, and then the
following year I went I came to Charleston and it
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was it was fantastic, Like I met seventy good people.
People again obviously still keep in contact with today and
see on a pretty normal basis, But it was, it was,
it was, It was a really it was a step up,
right like every time you get moved from you know,
low rookie ball the high rookie ball, they've all the
cities get a little bit bigger, you get treated a
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little bit better, you're not eating peanut butter and jelly,
and you're still still having to ride the bus for
fifteen hours. So that was a little bit of a drawback,
But yeah, it was. It was a real culture shock
from going to where I was thinking I was going
to go play for the actual Cincinnati read I got
to go start some point.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Yeah, that's a long way.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
From there, Chris, I have I have a question. I
don't have any idea of how you may answer this
or even if this is something that could be answered. Actually,
why is baseball okay? Like you said you started you
basically went in the baseball professional baseball.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
At how old seventeen?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Like there's no other sport, there's no really any other
sport that actually takes because you're still a kid at
that point and you're you're trying and you're competing against
legitimately grown men.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Right, why and how is that? How does that work?
Speaker 7 (23:33):
Like?
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Like what do you like, what are you thinking at seventeen?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
I get drafted, I'm I'm twenty one, twenty twenty one,
something like that, and so I'm I'm pretty you know,
I've gone through college and all that, so I have
an awareness of me and what's actually happening at seventeen.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Like do you really even know what the whole process
is going to take? What is like? What is that like?
Speaker 7 (24:00):
Tell you it's uh, it was interesting. It was like,
you know, you go in high school and I had
a pretty successful high school career, and so you're you know,
you're the big fish and right in the little, little
little pond, and then all of a sudden, you get
to where everybody else here has been drafted or you know,
signed free agent or whatever. Now you're a minnow in
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the ocean. You realize, yeah, you realize you're just not
as good as you think you are, because you know
the talent of the people you're playing against where the
all stars of they're all stars, you know, they're they're
the they were the cream of the crop from you know,
Texas or Florida, whatever it may be. So there is
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a there's an eye opening effect. I'm in my first
couple of games. The balls that I throw in high
school that just drip people out. They were hitting five
hundred feet over the left field fence and I was
just didn't under in the ninth batter in the lineup,
and like, what is going on? You really have to
you really have to make a lot of an adjustment.
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But you're right, you know, I play against the kids
that were out of college, but I always just kind
of text solace in my thought process was well, if
you're twenty two years old and you're still in rookie ball,
I should be able to handle you.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
There you go. A good players like that.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Good thought.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Hey, Chris, I've got one last question and then we'll
let you go. We appreciate you being on with us tonight.
But what advice would you give to young upcoming players
that are trying to make it to the show? What
are some things that they and I love saying the show,
I feel like I'm on Bulderrham or something. You know,
I feel like I know baseball now. I feel like
I'm so knowledgeable on it. But anyway, let's go back
(25:42):
to the question. So what are some things that you would,
you know, tell these young players. What are some things
that they can do to if they want to, you
know level, what are some things that they should be doing?
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Now?
Speaker 7 (25:53):
Well, I think I said before, do you seem to
have a balance in their life. Okay, you can't because
and I'll give you a real quick little story when
I when I coach my son's little league team, ten
eleven twelve year olds, you know, I would have a
team meeting with the parents and everybody, you know, the
first night, and the first thing I would say is,
you know, you have a five twenty nine plan, because
(26:14):
you know, the chance of your your kid playing college
baseball is not real high. And that's your chance of
your your child playing professional baseball is probably, you know,
substantially less than that. So you know, let's put things
in perspective. If you're talented enough to play at a
higher level, they'll find you. I don't care if you
(26:35):
live in Princeton, West Virginia, or you know wherever. If
you're the cream rises to the top. So I think kids,
especially in West Virginia, you know, they always see it
as the disadvantage because they come from such a small town.
But I tell you what, doesn't take a lot to
get noticed when you're in a smaller town because they're
scouts everywhere. There's scout every game that you don't even
know about it, especially there no go ahead.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
I was just gonna say it, especially in this day
and age of social media. I mean, you know, you
don't have to be there in person to discover the
talent anymore.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
It's not like that.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
And they might not even be there to see you, right,
they might be looking at one of your teammate or
whatever it may be. So I said, just you know,
but have a balanced life. You know, go play baseball,
but do other things too, Like, don't don't just solely
focus on that, because I think it's like anything else
in life is if that's all you have in your mind,
that's all you want to do, and then you know,
(27:26):
something doesn't happen. I mean there's obviously a huge amount
of disappointment that comes with that, right, And just you know,
keep an open mind. And again, if you're good enough
to play at a higher level, I can watch a
kid run across the field and tell you if he's
got talent or not. Right, does it take then you
have to throw ninety five miles an hour? So just yeah,
(27:48):
I think just you relax, they relaxed, stay focused, like
keep saying you'll work hard, and uh, yeah, I just don't.
I don't think there's a magic potion to to playing
at a higher level in any sport. I just think it's,
you know, you gotta work hard, but again, you also
have to have other things in your life and have
(28:09):
a back and anything else. Absolutely, education or whatever. You
have something else in mind too, because you know it
is a hard it's a hard road.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Yeah, yes, good advice.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
All right, Chris, Well, we're gonna let you go, but
we really appreciate you coming on tonight, and hopefully we'll
have you come back on in future podcasts.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
That sounds great. I look forward to it. Thank you, guys.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Okay, thanks christ Now, Okay.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
So, so basically he said, if you want to make
the show, don't focus on it because the odds are
probably not in your favor.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
That's what it sounded like to me.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yes, yes, and then and I hear and I hear
that as the as the path to go, right, But
I was so totally the opposite it. And I think
it's what drove my mom so crazy, because like I was,
like I didn't even want to be successful at school, right,
(29:09):
I wanted to I wanted only football, like I only
wanted to play football, and and I.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Mom straightened that out real quick.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
She tried. She really did, she really tried.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Like she im at the grades part, Carl, I'm.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Talking about that.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I have no problem my first my first semester, my
first semester at Marshall. You know, I ended up playing
and doing pretty good, and you know, and all this
and and I'm thinking I'm on my way. You know,
this is exactly how I drew this up. To be
sure class I literally had like a one point six DP.
(29:54):
Oh my goodness, I get called in by that.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
I would not tell people that.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
I think I would have left that to myself and
iday honesty policy here.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I'm not the best I'm not the best example for
the person who is a student athlete, okay, because I
was really trying to be just the athlete.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
But Sonny Randall he called me and cussed me up.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
And down shore and I had he put me in
study hall, not for just the semester, not just for
that year.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Ever, but forever. I think if he was alive.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Now, yeah, we're gonna fix this.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
We're gonna he's gonna have me in study hall today.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
That's good. That's good.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
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Speaker 4 (32:12):
You know, right, tide Jersey can be a can be
a source subject.
Speaker 10 (32:14):
Not really, This is the first time I ever seen it.
Sore I got. I don't know if you know it,
but I'm a tired man. I think every Jersey during
that played in his return, so I'm pretty familiar with this.
So it's it's never been sore.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
But why do you think that? What was your message?
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Like?
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Maybe buff nation and buffalom. Sure, I don't have a message.
Speaker 10 (32:33):
I'm praying for my ID. I love him to life.
Rick George, let's get to elephant at the rule. I
don't want to talk about this too long. I'm gonna
just talk briefly and let it go. We talking about
your door. We ain't talking about nobody else but his
last name one Sanders. We wouldn't have discovered this discussion.
The only reason we were happening this discussion is his
(32:53):
last name is Sanders.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Okay, so I at least are like when I when
I when I heard that, like every everything about that
came across to me wrong.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
I am going to preference what you just said wrong
with contradictory. Contradictory because the way, the way that he
came across during that press conference, as my son is
being persecuted for having the Sanders name, is the same
reason that his jersey was retired in the first place. Okay,
(33:36):
it's because he has the Sanders name. In my opinion,
just if you look at the statistics of retired jerseys
and players that have been inducted into their school's hall
of fame and all of.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
That, they've waited a while A hot minute. I get
to his point.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I can attest to a ton of players.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
I'm not the one who's sitting in this room right now,
right you.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Know, yes, I mean to me I'm thinking, okay, what
did he Let's just okay, let's just be honest. When
you forget where he got drafted, he's going to be
able to prove that he's NFL caliber once he's once
he got there. The question becomes, does his statistical effort
(34:25):
at Colorado sound like something that.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
You would put on the wall you would retire at Jersey.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Okay, Okay, so I did. I did a little research.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
Imagine that little research today on some of these successes
that our friend Shador achieved when he was at Colorado
for two years Colorado Buffalo's Okay. So the obvious ones
are personal achievements, which you know, he broke and tied
numerous Colorado passing records during his tenure there. He was
(35:00):
Big twelve Offensive Player of the Year in twenty twenty four.
He also won the Johnny Uniteds Golden Arm Award in
twenty twenty four. In academics, unlike Carl, he maintained a
three point.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
Nine the GPA.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
And then finally you think about his financial successes. He
had great nil deals with the school, with Google, with Nike.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Those are some of his achievements.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Which are all what personal achievements Okay, But then when
we go to the other side of the coin, which
to me is the most important part of being a
retired jersey or part of a retired jersey ceremony or
being inducted to a school's hall of fame, is what
did you contribute to the program. And when you look
at these things, oh yeah, he revived the program to
(35:47):
a degree. He took them from a struggling team to
a more competitive His record overall was thirteen and twelve.
That's a little bit more than fifty percent. Okay, they
weren't part of any national championship chatter at all during
his tenure there. In fact, if you want to look
at it even closer, the bowl game that he did
go and lead the team to, they got spanked. So
(36:09):
when you're looking at to me, when you're looking at
retiring a jersey or giving someone the honors of, you know,
being elite at their school, you have to not look
at just personal achievements, but what they contributed to the program.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
And okay, so let me let me let me clarify
just some just a piece of that. That's the team
that your team has to You have to take that
team somewhere.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
You have to be a leader.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
You have to be a leader. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
If I don't know, see my problem with with with
a lot of the conversation that Chador has had. Okay,
and then some of the or most of what Dion
has said. There is no there is no talk about leadership. No,
there's no talk. What we're talking about is my son.
(37:05):
I get that, But your your son is now part
of a team that should be everybody, it should be
the whole team. Sure, and and what is for the
what is for the what's for the betterment.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Of the the entire team?
Speaker 5 (37:23):
Right?
Speaker 4 (37:24):
And and I just don't I just don't see.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
I think that was part of his demise in the
in the draft, to be honest, I think people saw
that especially and I think clearly the interviews that that
went on behind closed doors played a huge factor in
in you know what, he presented his leadership skills to
those owners and scouts and they didn't like what they saw.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Well, again, if if you heard that clip and you're
and you're a scout, you know what, you know.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
What do you what are you thinking? And we're gonna
We're gonna play another one.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Just just just to keep this conversation going.
Speaker 10 (38:04):
If that means a lot to me. I'm one of
those type of guys who I'm gonna tell you how
I feel.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Right off the rip.
Speaker 10 (38:09):
You know, I'm not gonna really wait, so I give
your flowers now. I'm not gonna wait twenty years down
the street then bringing you back when you limp into
the barrier walk because some tragedy happens to recognize your
greatness and what you contributed to this program. So I'm
thankful that Rick, you know, shot a shot and moved
on on what we all know was inevitable in due time.
(38:31):
You know the time frame. Nobody's gonna be happy with it.
Somebody's always gonna have something to say. But the way
we are right now, we are now generation. You guys
are now people, and this is a now time and
those guys deserve what they deserve right now.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
How are we in the making?
Speaker 10 (38:47):
This is a new generation everything y'all.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Won't you want it right now? And you gonna get
it right now. You don't wait for nothing no more
do it. We want to go, We got over. We
want to.
Speaker 10 (38:56):
Eat, but we go who we eats?
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Everything we get is right now. We want something we
ordered on Amazon. We need no waiting generation, no mode.
That's over. That's a wrap on that.
Speaker 10 (39:10):
Everybody in here is impatience. You download stuff right now,
putting it out as I speak.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Okay, now, I I one get the concept of everybody
wants something to happen now. But that's that's not necessarily
how to me, you don't even have to say that.
(39:37):
If he's earned it. Sure you know, if he's earned it,
then he wasn't in a rush for it or none
of that.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
He just deserved it. But you're now trying to make.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
The case that he he didn't want to wait, You
didn't want to wait, and we wanted it now. So
y'all shouldn't nobody on the outside, nobody on the inside
should be bothered by the weight.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Anybody who has gone, he said, He said, he is
at every level, at every level, he has gone in
to the Hall of fame.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
He had to wait four years at least.
Speaker 5 (40:19):
He waited.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
He least he had four years at least to get
into the Hall of Fame in the NFL. So you're
telling me you can wait four He couldn't wait five ten.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
He didn't even wait a year.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
He didn't even wait, was it was it month?
Speaker 6 (40:36):
Yeah, I was gonna say it wasn't even yeah, I
wasn't even close to that. So once again, I'm going
to use contradiction as my favorite description of this little
clip that we listened to as well. I mean, to me,
it just blows my mind that as a college football coach,
you are putting out there the concept of instant gratification
(40:58):
as being right the the the one thing that these
players need. To me, that is a total opposite of
what a college football coach should be presenting to his future,
his team, his.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
Club is future players.
Speaker 6 (41:14):
We all know football is all about putting in the work,
putting in the time, yes, putting in the effort. It's
not something that just instantly happens overnight. So why does
he think that for Shador that he deserves this, this
no waiting you know now generation all of those things.
(41:37):
To me, sounds like he's covering up for the fact
that his son really didn't need to be his his
jersey didn't need to be retired this quickly without proving
himself further.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I see, I'm I see it like he's using he's
making the case that nobody wants to wait, so.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
He was going to be in there at some point
in time.
Speaker 5 (42:04):
Do you think that for sure?
Speaker 4 (42:06):
No?
Speaker 6 (42:07):
Okay, that's my point that I'm trying to make, not really,
And that's why he didn't wait because he knew that
if they waited that it may not happen.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Because what happens is if he leaves.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
If Dion were to leave, yes, and this season had passed,
I don't think he ever.
Speaker 6 (42:25):
Gets it right, especially if he's not successful at the
next level.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
With Dion being there then of course.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
But my problem with that is and I and I
do think that they're they're having this issue already of
former Colorado players who were who have stats, who have
reasons why they should be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
They were patiently waiting on their turn.
Speaker 6 (42:56):
That's why the ad is the one he said he was,
because he's the one catching all the calls.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
You know, there's no question he's dealing with the fallout
and and.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Let's just be let'sten, you know.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
And again for any listener who's saying that, Okay, this
could have been a black white thing, this could have
been this whole issue is just because it's Dion again,
you're right, it is Dion, Because Dion is the one.
Speaker 11 (43:27):
Who's doing all the talking exactly, and he's he he
talked himself into something right there that is literally wrong.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
What do you say when you're to a freshman that
comes into Colorado? Right, let me say, coach, I want
to play. I want to start right now.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Son. You got to be patient, you got to take
your time. Your time will come.
Speaker 5 (43:50):
It's the complete opposite.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
It's the complete opposite of everything that we know about football.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
There's this zero.
Speaker 6 (43:59):
And that's why to me when he when he goes
on that rant about you know, this is the now generation.
When we want something, we go to Amazon, it's almost
like he's trying to convince himself as much as he
is the press, because it's well deserved.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
To me, that analogy doesn't really work. No, I'm not
in sports.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Well here's the other thing. If I don't have the money,
I don't care what's in Amazon. I can't just go
and get it. I may have to wait for the
next check, I may have to do whatever I need
to do. I might not be able to get it
for a month. The catch to me is can you
get it? Can you work hard enough to go get it?
Sure you you can't. You can't make the case that
(44:41):
it's got to be here, it's got to be now,
you got to have it right now.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
Right, That's that's totally off base. Whether it's it's a
double edged sword, of course, being Deon Sanders dad her son,
I mean him being your dad, because it could go
you know, it could be work in your favor or
in this case when with the draft, I feel like
it didn't work in his favor. And so you know,
(45:06):
I think I think Shador has a long road ahead
of him to earn that Jersey retirement. I think his
his individual achievements are they're good, but are they worthy
of what they did for him?
Speaker 5 (45:22):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
And and either way, there's a already you fall in
line behind a whole host soctly former players who are waiting, right.
Speaker 5 (45:32):
That's that's reality.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
That's the reality of it, all right. So let's let's
get the last clip.
Speaker 12 (45:39):
Jason. At that point, I have a feeling that that
A d. George He's gonna put a pair of sunglasses
up there in that ring of honor and just called
coach Prime gonna give him. Jason, I have a question,
do you have that much of an issue with Travis
Hunter having his jersey or attackers ball will give a
Heisman Trophy winner something.
Speaker 13 (46:00):
Rashan Salom waited twenty three years.
Speaker 4 (46:05):
He won the Heisman.
Speaker 13 (46:07):
He rushed for two thousand yards and you know, some
incredible season, Travis Hunter was going to be in their
Ring of honor and get his number retired. I would
have waited, and they've Look they've diminished Travis Hunter by
attaching him to Shadure. That's overshadowed the kid that actually
(46:30):
was the Heisman Trophy winner. The fact that he piggybacked
Shadu off of Travis Hunter because Okay, put Travis in
this year, put Shadur in next year. He can't do
it because Shadur can't stand on his own two feet
and justify that decision.
Speaker 5 (46:48):
Well, I think that that spec volumes.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
I think so too. And I think the fact that
you look at the two one is a guarantee, you know,
first round pick.
Speaker 6 (47:09):
Pick of the draft the draft. Yeah, I mean that
that's right there.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
I really starting to it almost looks like we have
to get something over here for my son because all
this is happening with his buddy.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
See, I would hate to be I would hate to.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Be on I'd hate to be the friend of in
this situation because you got to sit beside him, hear
all this craziness from him and his day. Yes, and
and I don't know how much are you patting me
on the back because.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
I'm already good?
Speaker 3 (47:50):
Right, you know? And then you're gonna go And then
here's the here's my thing. We're talking about the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
That's where you're going. Okay.
Speaker 5 (48:01):
I love the way you preface that. Yes, we're talking
about the Browns.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
That's where you're Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Being Cleveland used to be my favorite team. I grew
up of Brown's, diehard Browns.
Speaker 5 (48:11):
Anything against the Browns.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
I don't have anything against them either. That they are
where they are right you are there. You don't need
to say anything one All the things that you're saying,
all these clips, the things that you're saying are making
veteran players upset. Sure they're not gonna say it, but
(48:34):
they're not liking they're not liking you talking about all
this kind of stuff. How great you're gonna be. You
haven't even you haven't touched an NFL field yet to
see exactly what it's like. Your Dad dominated it, but
he can't play it for you, and so you're gonna
have to go out. You're gonna have to see it.
(48:57):
And I can tell you how many times have you
seen great quarterbacks, great running backs, great guys at any
position everybody think, oh God, she's gonna be great, goes
early in the draft and does.
Speaker 4 (49:11):
What nothing right?
Speaker 6 (49:13):
And those are the ones that have high expectations that
were drafted early, first second round. Yes, yes, So now
we're looking at Shador, who was almost that he was
in the last round correct basically basically yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
I mean he's too he's too up for me, right,
So you know.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
My question is I want to see what he I
want to see what you do. Yeah, you know, because
I'm not. I don't wish him bad at all. I
wish him. I love for him to be great, but
he's gonna have to learn to because he's I don't
think he's ever going to be deon.
Speaker 4 (49:50):
So he needs to shut up and just play.
Speaker 6 (49:53):
And I think that same advice that you're giving to
Shador applies to Dion as well.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
He's got it, Yeah, he's gonna he's start.
Speaker 5 (49:59):
To let it go. He's got so let it go.
Speaker 6 (50:01):
And let his son go out there and prove on
his own merits that he deserves to be there and
deserved to be drafted higher.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
And you're one hundred percent right. And I'll say this
so and and and you can close this out. But
this is something that I think I see more of
in sports now, parents being you know, involved.
Speaker 4 (50:26):
And I am wondering if.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Dion's active aggressive being part of his son's career, does
that tempt does that encourage parents today to do to
attempt to do the same thing. And I think that
I think that's that's showing us something wrong.
Speaker 5 (50:54):
Right.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
It's not a good exam, It's not it's not a
good example.
Speaker 6 (50:56):
It's not a good example of what to do for
your for your your son or your daughter.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
Old coaches are not gonna deal with you. No, they're
not gonna deal with you or your son. They'll tell
you to take your son. You and your son go
somewhere else. New school coaches may try to try to
make it, they'll try to hang in there with you
at for a little bit. But if you as a parent,
if you go too far, and you have to really
(51:22):
you have to pay attention to where you are and
what you're saying to the football or the head coach
of basketball, whatever that head coach is, you gotta be
careful of what.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
You're saying to him.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
And your son can't sit around and talk about how
great he is before he's even got on the ground.
Speaker 6 (51:41):
And somebody, you know, somebody created that monster. I mean,
somebody created that personality. Yes and so, And I'm afraid
this is just a reflection of society. Like you just said,
it's not the best example we're putting out there, but
unfortunately it's what's happening. And I think the influences of
once again social media, you know, just being everything at
(52:02):
your fingertips, travel ball, everything immediate.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
You know, immediate grati gratification.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
And to his point, there's no such thing as immediate
gratification other than you celebrating your touchdown because that touchdown,
because that touchdown does not mean you're gonna win the game.
It just means you got a touchdown. We may lose
the game, so that celebration, we could we could be
losing the game. You get an interception and we still lost,
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and I'm in the end zone doing a dance, celebrating
my own thing.
Speaker 5 (52:34):
When we lose right.
Speaker 6 (52:36):
So, and that's why we think, once again contradictory all
of this because this is all he's making it all
about a single individual, his son, rather than a team sport.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
Because if you try to get everybody, what if everybody
does their own.
Speaker 5 (52:51):
Thing right, it won't work.
Speaker 4 (52:53):
It won't work. It won't work.
Speaker 3 (52:55):
Now, ladies and gentlemen, we I tell you sports is
getting crazy and and it's just and it just bothers
me that you know, a player as great as Dion was,
he can't he doesn't see it. And everybody I think
wants the best for his son, even and the people
who don't is because of.
Speaker 4 (53:16):
Dia, right.
Speaker 6 (53:17):
And the one thing that's coming to my mind right
now is that quote that we had when Tennessee was
dealing with that quarterback situation. No player is bigger than
the program, and that that that has to be, that
has to be emphasized.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
There's nothing about them too that are even talking about
the team.
Speaker 5 (53:35):
Right, They're talking about him individual.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
Just individual.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, I hope you enjoyed the show,
and we'll be back again next week.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
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Speaker 1 (54:06):
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anything a be a win, yup, even the feet that
says shit's a bath for you. Wise visyy sweet couldn't
play with big kids.
Speaker 4 (54:15):
I had to sit in the street and watch from
a distance. But over time I grew.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
If I put in the work, in no time, I'm
doing everything that I worked and prayed.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
I'm okay.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
If you ask me how did I do it, I'm
gonna say. You gotta work, cry shine, just mine gotta show.
Speaker 4 (54:30):
Everybody is my time.
Speaker 5 (54:32):
He ain't here.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
You gotta work, cry shine. You never mind who talk
of dive this day line, don't talk. You gotta work.
You gotta work. You gotta work, You gotta work.
Speaker 4 (54:47):
You gotta work. You gotta work.
Yeah, you gotta work. You gotta work, ry Shn. It's
mine gotta show. Everybody is my son. You gotta work,
cry Shn. Another mile Saga Dogs.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
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Speaker 3 (00:51):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, this is Carl Lee with Let's Talk,
and it's me and the Football Queen today, Lisa Odie.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
We're the only two that made it today. And Lisa
has a friend that.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
She has on the phone and that we will talk to.
So Lisa, if you want to introduce and bring him in,
go right ahead.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
I would love that.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
Okay, So today we have a special guest and I
wanted to give a little background information on our friend.
But he's a former pitcher. Drafted in nineteen ninety one
in round seven by the Cincinnati Reds. He had a
career record of fifty seven wins fifty two losses, with
a four point four to e ra overall in his
one hundred and seventy six game career. He was also
(01:36):
a part of the Charleston Wheelers team during his tenure.
He's originally from Anaheim, California, and now resides in Charleston.
And here's a little something that I'm going to share,
And I hope he doesn't mind that I share it
because I found.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Out about it.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
You go digging, always go digging too far, carl He
was roommates with Aaron Boone in college. Oh and so
if you if you're not aware of who he is,
he's a current baseball manager and a former player with
the New York Yankees. So, without further ado, I would
like to introduce Chris Read to the show.
Speaker 7 (02:10):
Hello, Chris, Hey, how are you guys doing doing good?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Man?
Speaker 7 (02:15):
So, actually I'll give you a little So Aaron was
actually we didn't we didn't play together in college. We
were we played against each other in high school and
he was at Villa Park High School. I was at
Catella and so we played on some all star teams together,
played against each other in high school. And then I
got drafted to ninety one. He went on to USC oh.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Okay, so that part was wrong.
Speaker 7 (02:39):
Yeah, then he so then he was drafted by the
Reds in the third round. I think it was in
ninety three or ninety four. And then we were we
were roommates in a ball double a.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
Okay, so you were roommates, not in college, Yeah, just
in college.
Speaker 7 (02:54):
Okay, I still talk. I still talk to him, and
I said, we've remained friends. He's a little bit hard
to get a hold of sometimes. Now you got some
other thing, some other press were pressing issues. But yeah,
we texted, you know, at least once a month, and yeah,
still keep in contact.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
That's great.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
So so, Chris.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
One of the one of the things that I have
I think that I find intriguing about sports because have
played in the NFL and had the opportunity to be drafted.
When you got drafted, what was it like Because people
asked that question a lot of times, like what is
(03:35):
it like to I don't know, I'm assuming that they
give you calls.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
They you know, I don't even know how they do it,
but like, what were you doing? Where were you at?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
How excited were you at that point? I'm taking you
all the way back to the start.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
Yeah, yeah, I know. So obviously, you know, the draft
back then was you know, we didn't have uh Internet,
you know, we didn't have that. We I don't think
we had barely had cell phones at that point. Yeah.
So so I started being like looked at when I
(04:11):
was a junior in high school. So I I had,
you know, spoken to all of the major league teams.
They watched me pitch, they kind of followed me, and
it was funny. The only team that I did not
speak to my senior year was the Cincinnati Ritz. So
I had, you know, I've spoken to all the scouts, guys,
(04:33):
National cross checkers would come out and watch, and you know,
I had meetings with them and they talked came into
my house and talked to my family, and you know,
I had ranges everywhere from the fourth round all the
way to being a draft and follow So I I
kind of thought, you know, I was there's three days
in the draft. It was June, second, third, and fourth.
So I kind of figured, you know, hopefully I was
(04:55):
going to go through the first day. And so we
had a party at my house. And I'd be honest
with you, I wasn't a big baseball guy like I
I wanted. I had a couple of college offers to
play football, and that was kind of my that was
kind of my love. So I wasn't you know, it
was of course, it was an exciting time, but that
was really kind of really what what I wanted to do.
(05:16):
And so we had a party of my house and uh,
they called at The draft started at like ten in
the morning, and I got a call about noon and
I got the phone and the gentleman said, Hey, this
is Larry Barton with the Cincinnati Reds. He was my
he was the scout in the area and we just
want to let you know we just draft you. And
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I thought it was my buddy, and I hung up.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
You hung up on a scout, I did, I did.
Speaker 7 (05:51):
I thought it was I thought it was my buddy,
Eric Boyd messing with me. So I hung up and
they call. They called right back, and Larry's like, Chris, no, no, no, no, no,
He said, this is Larry. Never from you know, all
the game. I hadn't really I hadn't really talked to
the Reds and he said he, why don't you know
he drafted in the in the in the seventh round,
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and uh, you know we're going to be out to
see you know, see you here real soon and negotiate
your contract and you know, get everything set to go.
So yeah, so it was kind of a funny little
a funny little thing that happened there that first day.
But yeah, obviously, you know, extremely excited and honored just
to you know, have that opportunity because it's you know,
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it was it was, it was it was just really neat.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
It was.
Speaker 7 (06:37):
It was fun to get that call and be like,
oh my gosh, somebody actually does become worth something.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
When when when was the first When was the first
moment that you actually thought about, Man, I'm going to
be playing against people that I have watched on TV, Like,
you know, like when did that come in? Because for like,
for me, it was like really kind of quick, but
it was kind of private. I never really wanted to
(07:04):
say that, like to anybody, but I was like, man, okay,
so I'm gonna you know, and because you're thinking you're
making it anyway, you know, there's no there's no fight
in not making it. And I'm like thinking, man, I'm
going to be playing against some of these guys and
I can't even imagine, like, you know this guy or
that guy.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
You know, did you go through that process as well?
Speaker 7 (07:26):
Well, yeah, you know, it really hit I mean again,
it was it was kind of that whirlwind there for
that first day. And then they came out a day
later and it was the National cross Checker who was
Julian Mock at the time, and Larry and then Larry's
sudden was also a scouting and Jeff and they all
three came out to my house and it was at
that point when they like laid all this stuff out
(07:47):
on the table and you know, the headings on all
the papers sitting down your red uh, you know, a congratulation,
you know, a letter for Marge shot whether you what
you think of her.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
You know.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
So I think that's kind of when it really hit me,
because you know, growing up, I wasn't again, I wasn't
a huge baseball guy. Like I played baseball just because
it was fun and I enjoyed it and I've had
a good time being out there with my buddies, so
I wasn't like a kid that avidly watched baseball every
night on TV and went to five hundred Angel games.
Speaker 8 (08:24):
You know.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
I just it just wasn't a huge part of my life.
So I didn't really know a whole lot about like
a lot. I mean, you knew the big names, right,
the Ken Griffis and and then I again when I
saw that stuff on the table and I'm like and
then they brought out my contract. I think that's kind
of when it hit and I was like, oh man,
this is real. I don't know a lot about the
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Cincinnati red but I mean.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
You're about to find out that I heard.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
Them guy guy played for them called Pete Rose I
think bitchy. But yeah, that was probably the first time
it really hit me, is when I when you know,
they were there and I got to see you know
everything you know that was that was Cincinnati Reds, and
they started talking about the money piece and all their stuff,
and it was like, wow, this is really. I was
(09:14):
seventeen at the time.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
That's crazy, you're a baby.
Speaker 7 (09:17):
Yeah, my parents both sided my first contract. If it
wasn't eighteen years old.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Ye oh wow, oh that amazing.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
Hey, hey, listen, Chris, I was. I was reading some
of the bio that you had sent me earlier, and
I know that you participated in at least five big
league spring training camps.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
So so walk us through that. What was that like
for you?
Speaker 7 (09:40):
Yeah, so that's so, you know, like we were in
plant City at the time. That's where our spring training
contracts was, and you got you know, you have the
big clubhouse and on the left hand side of the
minor league guys, and then you got the offices in
the middle and you got the big league clubhouse on
the other side. So, you know, my first couple of years,
I went to to minor league camp and that starts
a little bit later. You know, the big guys usually
(10:02):
get there, you know, mid February. Minor league camp doesn't
start until first week in March typically, And so that's
my first couple of years. I think my first big
league spring training was ninety five. So that was really
that was really cool because I got to go down
there early, obviously overwhelmed my Jose Rijo's in there and
very lark and you know these guys are all you know,
(10:25):
the Don Gullett, I mean, all these you know, the
name George Foster and all these guys you see in
the clubhouse and you're like, oh my gosh. So that
that was that was that was a real eye opening
experience for that that first big league camp, I think
I only lasted about two weeks and they sent me
back down. They'd seen enough like that, you're not going
(10:48):
to be a part of the Cincinnati Reads this year,
but you know, well we'll keep you up. But anyway,
so yeah, so did that and then I was invited
the next four years and I stayed a little bit
longer every time. But you know, it just comes down
to it, Uh yeah, I just wasn't good enough to maintain.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
Yeah, to get to that level and maintain and it's
that's that's got to be difficult.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
But but but I think, but I think though in baseball,
like I think it's it's more challenging too, because there's
so many skill sets that you have to have. Like
you know, in football, you know, if you can tackle,
if you can throw, if you can do this, you
you kind of got a good shot. I think baseball,
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you you have like a ton of different things that
you actually have to do and and and I think
that to me is is the huge challenge, what was
your what was your best skill set? What do you
think was your best skill set when it came down
to to baseball?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
And and why, you.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
Know, I just I mean, I'm just I'm a poor loser.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (12:02):
Guest. I don't care if it's darts with my you know,
ten year old son. You know, I'm spiking the ball
when I beat him. So yeah, I'm I think just
being just over the top competitive. Always, always was just
trying to get better. I didn't have like the most
(12:23):
talent obviously out there, but just you know, like you said,
just try to do the little things make you stand out,
you know, just work hard, you know, on and off
the field. Just in the weight room, first in the morning,
last one out. Just show them that you're fully vested
in the in the process that goes a long way.
(12:44):
That'll carry you so far obviously, yeah, the first guy in,
the last guy out, and you're throwing eighty miles an hour,
probably not going to be around for a long but yeah,
work ethic. And I just think that, like I said,
the overall competitiveness of what I do, and I carry
it over today into my work life. I just I
just want to be I mean, I want to be
the best. What what what I what I'm doing and
it doesn't matter what it is.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
See and and one of the things.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
That I it drives me crazy is is that like
people who are in sports, people who have played it
at a high level, had opportunities to play it at
a high level, when when you talk to them, you
hear the same thing, you know, like this commitment and
this work ethic and and and I'm just I just
(13:33):
have a feeling that I don't see that today in
some of the athletes who want to be great.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
You can you can you can tell.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
They want to be this, this, this player, They want
to be this, they want to get a D one scholarship,
they want to get to the pros, they want to
do all these kind of things. But they're they're at
practice playing the game. At practice playing the game. There's
no off season that they're putting in time, their own time,
(14:05):
their own commitment into being whatever that is, football, basketball, baseball, track,
whatever that is, a business person, whatever that is. You've
gotta there's got to be a place in there where
there is that you have to be extra. You have
to put that extra in.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
I agree, and I think the times that have changed
now is you know, when back when I was growing
up and going through you know, little league, high school whatever,
you know, we had we had seasons. So I didn't
put all man and went back.
Speaker 8 (14:35):
I didn't.
Speaker 7 (14:35):
I didn't just play baseball, you know, I played football.
I played baseball. I had downtime when I could just
go outside and play you know, basketball and the driveway
with my friends. And I think that's the big difference too,
is I think a lot of these kids nowadays, obviously
all the travel ball and they're playing year round, and
I think it's too much. There's it's just it's too much.
Like I said, I think kids get burnt out. And
(14:57):
I always say this. I think the bigges problem with
professional baseball was when they started publishing the bonus numbers, right,
so it's it's not always the kid, but when mom
and dad see that so and so out of high
school signed for nine million dollars and a big league contract,
I think there's a lot of pressure from the you know,
(15:19):
from the parents to push these kids to something that
you know, they may want the other interests. They're gonna
get burned out, like I've seen it, and I'll coach
my kids, you know, little league team, and even at
ten eleven years old, some of these kids they don't
want to be out there, but it's because their parents
and they've got them doing pitching lessons and hitting lessons
and all of this other stuff for kids that are like,
(15:40):
you know, the world needs tu but players too, And
that's the reality of it, right, And I think I
think a lot of it today again stems from the parent.
The parent piece of it, just push, push, push, push push,
and then as soon as these kids get old enough
to make their own decisions, they're like, I don't want
to do this anymore. So I think it's there's a
(16:02):
there's a very fine line between you know, kids. I
think every kid that you go out in the little
league fields if they want to be a major league
baseball player. But that's just not reality, you know. Like
I said, it's not and again I think you said
it perfectly. It's not always just the talent piece of it.
It's just the commitment piece of it. But I think
because they're getting so much of it early on, that
(16:25):
they just lose that commitment piece because they're just burned out.
I heard of doing it too.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Much.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
And and I know, I go back and I and
I look at the work that I put in. If
you go back and you look at the work that
you put in. I don't know if you played travel
baseball or any of that kind of stuff, but a
lot of times you were spending time on your own.
You were running, you were lifting, you were trying to
get stronger, you were trying to get faster, you were
(16:52):
trying to just do all these kind of things.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Yeah, on your own.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
That that that benefited you going where I think now,
I think they think more games is better, you know.
And I think that that goes for the travel all
the travel sports.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
I think they.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Believe that if we play six games more, that's gonna
give you experience.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
You don't get experience playing the game. You get, you know,
the experience that.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
You need to to be able to play at the
next level is you need to be in shape, you
need to be strong, you need to do.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
All those kind of things.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, and I think that we're stuck in You know,
somebody scored forty points you know, on a on a
on a travel game against a team that's supposed to
be the number one team in the country. We want
to we want to celebrate him and think he's gonna
do something, and that's not a guarantee.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
Yeah, absolutely, I think you know, in sports in general now,
you know, professional baseball, you know, six months, seven months,
and if you play on the West Coast for the
Yankee or the Dodgers, the Yankees just even a little
bit longer usually, But it's a year round sport. I
mean it's you know, you're you're done, and you maybe
take a couple of weeks off and then like you said,
you're right back at it. You know, do a lot
(18:09):
of running, cardiovascular obviously being a pitcher, a lot of
cardiovascular you know, weight training, and I think that is
improved too. I mean we didn't I think I don't
remember if we had like strength and conditioning coaches went
went with with Cincinnati. I mean, Marge was too cheap
to pay for that. But the seems that actually do
(18:32):
think as well. You know, their strength and conditioning coaches
are are you know, having the kid that there are
top prospects, not bringing down every kid that's in their
minor league system. But again it's it's a full year
round workout and then you have all these places training facilities,
across the country that these that these kids go to
(18:52):
and and yeah, it's a it's a it's a full
time job. It's it's definitely a full time job. And
I think that's where a lot of it too falls
up part with younger kids. And again, back when we
didn't have all of those options, you were you had
to do it yourself.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
It was intrinsic motivation. It had to be yeah, yeah,
it had to.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
Be when and when you're eighteen or nineteen, twenty years
old and you've been playing for four or five months
and now you're home with all your buddies, you know,
there's other priorities in your life.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
So at that age, you're.
Speaker 7 (19:23):
Really yeah, you really have to be committed, unless you're
just some freak athlete like you know, David Wells who
looked like a seventy year old You go out there
and throw after you had twenty seven beers and I.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Oh wow wow.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
So yeah, there are those freak ones out there that
don't have to put in the you know, as much work.
But I think now today is even worse. I mean,
to compete today at the professional level or even at
the D one level, I mean, it's it's a lot
of work. I mean, you really have to be committed
to do.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
So I'm going to go a different direction here. Chris.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
So, like we said in the bio, you're from Anaheim, California,
and when you were drafted. You eventually played at two
levels in West Virginia, correct Princeton and then in Charleston
with the Wheelers. So tell us about the culture shock.
What was it like going from California and the weather
and the and the the cities, the people and coming
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to West Virginia.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
What was that like?
Speaker 7 (20:25):
Oh my gosh, that was so. I remember I flew
out of John Wayne Airport that morning. I flew to
blue Field, Oh, West Virginia. That's where we landed, huge, huge,
and then drove to Princeton and we had an apartment
(20:49):
on Mercer Street behind the Harley Davidson.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Bar So got lots of sleep, crespool, peaceful.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
Oh yeah, like I was my room made. My roommate
in rookie ball was one of my five because you
only made, you know, seven dollars a week play it
played in rookie ball. Uh So, we had five people
in apartment. Pokey Reefs was one of my roommates who
was the first round pick that year, played in the
big leagues for a while, has a couple of World
(21:17):
Series rings.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (21:19):
But yeah, like that was that was. It was a
huge culture shock and then just the people it was.
You go into games and it was a different crowd
than I was used to play in California coming to
those games, but I loved it. I think it was fantastic.
It was a great experience. Princeton was a short because
it was short season rookie, so it was right after
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I was drafted. I went there. I was only played
in Princeton that season was only three months, two and
a half, three months long, and then came home, went
back for spring train the next year, and then they
you know, they sent me to I went to Billings
after that, which was high rookie ball, and then the
following year I went I came to Charleston and it
(22:03):
was it was fantastic, Like I met seventy good people.
People again obviously still keep in contact with today and
see on a pretty normal basis, But it was, it was,
it was, It was a really it was a step up,
right like every time you get moved from you know,
low rookie ball the high rookie ball, they've all the
cities get a little bit bigger, you get treated a
(22:26):
little bit better, you're not eating peanut butter and jelly,
and you're still still having to ride the bus for
fifteen hours. So that was a little bit of a drawback,
But yeah, it was. It was a real culture shock
from going to where I was thinking I was going
to go play for the actual Cincinnati read I got
to go start some point.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Yeah, that's a long way.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
From there, Chris, I have I have a question. I
don't have any idea of how you may answer this
or even if this is something that could be answered. Actually,
why is baseball okay? Like you said you started you
basically went in the baseball professional baseball.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
At how old seventeen?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Like there's no other sport, there's no really any other
sport that actually takes because you're still a kid at
that point and you're you're trying and you're competing against
legitimately grown men.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Right, why and how is that? How does that work?
Speaker 7 (23:33):
Like?
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Like what do you like, what are you thinking at seventeen?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
I get drafted, I'm I'm twenty one, twenty twenty one,
something like that, and so I'm I'm pretty you know,
I've gone through college and all that, so I have
an awareness of me and what's actually happening at seventeen.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Like do you really even know what the whole process
is going to take? What is like? What is that like?
Speaker 7 (24:00):
Tell you it's uh, it was interesting. It was like,
you know, you go in high school and I had
a pretty successful high school career, and so you're you know,
you're the big fish and right in the little, little
little pond, and then all of a sudden, you get
to where everybody else here has been drafted or you know,
signed free agent or whatever. Now you're a minnow in
(24:20):
the ocean. You realize, yeah, you realize you're just not
as good as you think you are, because you know
the talent of the people you're playing against where the
all stars of they're all stars, you know, they're they're
the they were the cream of the crop from you know,
Texas or Florida, whatever it may be. So there is
(24:41):
a there's an eye opening effect. I'm in my first
couple of games. The balls that I throw in high
school that just drip people out. They were hitting five
hundred feet over the left field fence and I was
just didn't under in the ninth batter in the lineup,
and like, what is going on? You really have to
you really have to make a lot of an adjustment.
(25:01):
But you're right, you know, I play against the kids
that were out of college, but I always just kind
of text solace in my thought process was well, if
you're twenty two years old and you're still in rookie ball,
I should be able to handle you.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
There you go. A good players like that.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Good thought.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Hey, Chris, I've got one last question and then we'll
let you go. We appreciate you being on with us tonight.
But what advice would you give to young upcoming players
that are trying to make it to the show? What
are some things that they and I love saying the show,
I feel like I'm on Bulderrham or something. You know,
I feel like I know baseball now. I feel like
I'm so knowledgeable on it. But anyway, let's go back
(25:42):
to the question. So what are some things that you would,
you know, tell these young players. What are some things
that they can do to if they want to, you
know level, what are some things that they should be doing?
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Now?
Speaker 7 (25:53):
Well, I think I said before, do you seem to
have a balance in their life. Okay, you can't because
and I'll give you a real quick little story when
I when I coach my son's little league team, ten
eleven twelve year olds, you know, I would have a
team meeting with the parents and everybody, you know, the
first night, and the first thing I would say is,
you know, you have a five twenty nine plan, because
(26:14):
you know, the chance of your your kid playing college
baseball is not real high. And that's your chance of
your your child playing professional baseball is probably, you know,
substantially less than that. So you know, let's put things
in perspective. If you're talented enough to play at a
higher level, they'll find you. I don't care if you
(26:35):
live in Princeton, West Virginia, or you know wherever. If
you're the cream rises to the top. So I think kids,
especially in West Virginia, you know, they always see it
as the disadvantage because they come from such a small town.
But I tell you what, doesn't take a lot to
get noticed when you're in a smaller town because they're
scouts everywhere. There's scout every game that you don't even
know about it, especially there no go ahead.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
I was just gonna say it, especially in this day
and age of social media. I mean, you know, you
don't have to be there in person to discover the
talent anymore.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
It's not like that.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
And they might not even be there to see you, right,
they might be looking at one of your teammate or
whatever it may be. So I said, just you know,
but have a balanced life. You know, go play baseball,
but do other things too, Like, don't don't just solely
focus on that, because I think it's like anything else
in life is if that's all you have in your mind,
that's all you want to do, and then you know,
(27:26):
something doesn't happen. I mean there's obviously a huge amount
of disappointment that comes with that, right, And just you know,
keep an open mind. And again, if you're good enough
to play at a higher level, I can watch a
kid run across the field and tell you if he's
got talent or not. Right, does it take then you
have to throw ninety five miles an hour? So just yeah,
(27:48):
I think just you relax, they relaxed, stay focused, like
keep saying you'll work hard, and uh, yeah, I just don't.
I don't think there's a magic potion to to playing
at a higher level in any sport. I just think it's,
you know, you gotta work hard, but again, you also
have to have other things in your life and have
(28:09):
a back and anything else. Absolutely, education or whatever. You
have something else in mind too, because you know it
is a hard it's a hard road.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Yeah, yes, good advice.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
All right, Chris, Well, we're gonna let you go, but
we really appreciate you coming on tonight, and hopefully we'll
have you come back on in future podcasts.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
That sounds great. I look forward to it. Thank you, guys.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Okay, thanks christ Now, Okay.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
So, so basically he said, if you want to make
the show, don't focus on it because the odds are
probably not in your favor.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
That's what it sounded like to me.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yes, yes, and then and I hear and I hear
that as the as the path to go, right, But
I was so totally the opposite it. And I think
it's what drove my mom so crazy, because like I was,
like I didn't even want to be successful at school, right,
(29:09):
I wanted to I wanted only football, like I only
wanted to play football, and and I.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Mom straightened that out real quick.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
She tried. She really did, she really tried.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Like she im at the grades part, Carl, I'm.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Talking about that.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I have no problem my first my first semester, my
first semester at Marshall. You know, I ended up playing
and doing pretty good, and you know, and all this
and and I'm thinking I'm on my way. You know,
this is exactly how I drew this up. To be
sure class I literally had like a one point six DP.
(29:54):
Oh my goodness, I get called in by that.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
I would not tell people that.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
I think I would have left that to myself and
iday honesty policy here.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I'm not the best I'm not the best example for
the person who is a student athlete, okay, because I
was really trying to be just the athlete.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
But Sonny Randall he called me and cussed me up.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
And down shore and I had he put me in
study hall, not for just the semester, not just for
that year.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Ever, but forever. I think if he was alive.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Now, yeah, we're gonna fix this.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
We're gonna he's gonna have me in study hall today.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
That's good. That's good.
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Speaker 4 (32:12):
You know, right, tide Jersey can be a can be
a source subject.
Speaker 10 (32:14):
Not really, This is the first time I ever seen it.
Sore I got. I don't know if you know it,
but I'm a tired man. I think every Jersey during
that played in his return, so I'm pretty familiar with this.
So it's it's never been sore.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
But why do you think that? What was your message?
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Like?
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Maybe buff nation and buffalom. Sure, I don't have a message.
Speaker 10 (32:33):
I'm praying for my ID. I love him to life.
Rick George, let's get to elephant at the rule. I
don't want to talk about this too long. I'm gonna
just talk briefly and let it go. We talking about
your door. We ain't talking about nobody else but his
last name one Sanders. We wouldn't have discovered this discussion.
The only reason we were happening this discussion is his
(32:53):
last name is Sanders.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Okay, so I at least are like when I when
I when I heard that, like every everything about that
came across to me wrong.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
I am going to preference what you just said wrong
with contradictory. Contradictory because the way, the way that he
came across during that press conference, as my son is
being persecuted for having the Sanders name, is the same
reason that his jersey was retired in the first place. Okay,
(33:36):
it's because he has the Sanders name. In my opinion,
just if you look at the statistics of retired jerseys
and players that have been inducted into their school's hall
of fame and all of.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
That, they've waited a while A hot minute. I get
to his point.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I can attest to a ton of players.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
I'm not the one who's sitting in this room right now,
right you.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Know, yes, I mean to me I'm thinking, okay, what
did he Let's just okay, let's just be honest. When
you forget where he got drafted, he's going to be
able to prove that he's NFL caliber once he's once
he got there. The question becomes, does his statistical effort
(34:25):
at Colorado sound like something that.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
You would put on the wall you would retire at Jersey.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Okay, Okay, so I did. I did a little research.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
Imagine that little research today on some of these successes
that our friend Shador achieved when he was at Colorado
for two years Colorado Buffalo's Okay. So the obvious ones
are personal achievements, which you know, he broke and tied
numerous Colorado passing records during his tenure there. He was
(35:00):
Big twelve Offensive Player of the Year in twenty twenty four.
He also won the Johnny Uniteds Golden Arm Award in
twenty twenty four. In academics, unlike Carl, he maintained a
three point.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
Nine the GPA.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
And then finally you think about his financial successes. He
had great nil deals with the school, with Google, with Nike.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Those are some of his achievements.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Which are all what personal achievements Okay, But then when
we go to the other side of the coin, which
to me is the most important part of being a
retired jersey or part of a retired jersey ceremony or
being inducted to a school's hall of fame, is what
did you contribute to the program. And when you look
at these things, oh yeah, he revived the program to
(35:47):
a degree. He took them from a struggling team to
a more competitive His record overall was thirteen and twelve.
That's a little bit more than fifty percent. Okay, they
weren't part of any national championship chatter at all during
his tenure there. In fact, if you want to look
at it even closer, the bowl game that he did
go and lead the team to, they got spanked. So
(36:09):
when you're looking at to me, when you're looking at
retiring a jersey or giving someone the honors of, you know,
being elite at their school, you have to not look
at just personal achievements, but what they contributed to the program.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
And okay, so let me let me let me clarify
just some just a piece of that. That's the team
that your team has to You have to take that
team somewhere.
Speaker 5 (36:37):
You have to be a leader.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
You have to be a leader. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
If I don't know, see my problem with with with
a lot of the conversation that Chador has had. Okay,
and then some of the or most of what Dion
has said. There is no there is no talk about leadership. No,
there's no talk. What we're talking about is my son.
(37:05):
I get that, But your your son is now part
of a team that should be everybody, it should be
the whole team. Sure, and and what is for the
what is for the what's for the betterment.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Of the the entire team?
Speaker 5 (37:23):
Right?
Speaker 4 (37:24):
And and I just don't I just don't see.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
I think that was part of his demise in the
in the draft, to be honest, I think people saw
that especially and I think clearly the interviews that that
went on behind closed doors played a huge factor in
in you know what, he presented his leadership skills to
those owners and scouts and they didn't like what they saw.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Well, again, if if you heard that clip and you're
and you're a scout, you know what, you know.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
What do you what are you thinking? And we're gonna
We're gonna play another one.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Just just just to keep this conversation going.
Speaker 10 (38:04):
If that means a lot to me. I'm one of
those type of guys who I'm gonna tell you how
I feel.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Right off the rip.
Speaker 10 (38:09):
You know, I'm not gonna really wait, so I give
your flowers now. I'm not gonna wait twenty years down
the street then bringing you back when you limp into
the barrier walk because some tragedy happens to recognize your
greatness and what you contributed to this program. So I'm
thankful that Rick, you know, shot a shot and moved
on on what we all know was inevitable in due time.
(38:31):
You know the time frame. Nobody's gonna be happy with it.
Somebody's always gonna have something to say. But the way
we are right now, we are now generation. You guys
are now people, and this is a now time and
those guys deserve what they deserve right now.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
How are we in the making?
Speaker 10 (38:47):
This is a new generation everything y'all.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Won't you want it right now? And you gonna get
it right now. You don't wait for nothing no more
do it. We want to go, We got over. We
want to.
Speaker 10 (38:56):
Eat, but we go who we eats?
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Everything we get is right now. We want something we
ordered on Amazon. We need no waiting generation, no mode.
That's over. That's a wrap on that.
Speaker 10 (39:10):
Everybody in here is impatience. You download stuff right now,
putting it out as I speak.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Okay, now, I I one get the concept of everybody
wants something to happen now. But that's that's not necessarily
how to me, you don't even have to say that.
(39:37):
If he's earned it. Sure you know, if he's earned it,
then he wasn't in a rush for it or none
of that.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
He just deserved it. But you're now trying to make.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
The case that he he didn't want to wait, You
didn't want to wait, and we wanted it now. So
y'all shouldn't nobody on the outside, nobody on the inside
should be bothered by the weight.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Anybody who has gone, he said, He said, he is
at every level, at every level, he has gone in
to the Hall of fame.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
He had to wait four years at least.
Speaker 5 (40:19):
He waited.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
He least he had four years at least to get
into the Hall of Fame in the NFL. So you're
telling me you can wait four He couldn't wait five ten.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
He didn't even wait a year.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
He didn't even wait, was it was it month?
Speaker 6 (40:36):
Yeah, I was gonna say it wasn't even yeah, I
wasn't even close to that. So once again, I'm going
to use contradiction as my favorite description of this little
clip that we listened to as well. I mean, to me,
it just blows my mind that as a college football coach,
you are putting out there the concept of instant gratification
(40:58):
as being right the the the one thing that these
players need. To me, that is a total opposite of
what a college football coach should be presenting to his future,
his team, his.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
Club is future players.
Speaker 6 (41:14):
We all know football is all about putting in the work,
putting in the time, yes, putting in the effort. It's
not something that just instantly happens overnight. So why does
he think that for Shador that he deserves this, this
no waiting you know now generation all of those things.
(41:37):
To me, sounds like he's covering up for the fact
that his son really didn't need to be his his
jersey didn't need to be retired this quickly without proving
himself further.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I see, I'm I see it like he's using he's
making the case that nobody wants to wait, so.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
He was going to be in there at some point
in time.
Speaker 5 (42:04):
Do you think that for sure?
Speaker 4 (42:06):
No?
Speaker 6 (42:07):
Okay, that's my point that I'm trying to make, not really,
And that's why he didn't wait because he knew that
if they waited that it may not happen.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Because what happens is if he leaves.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
If Dion were to leave, yes, and this season had passed,
I don't think he ever.
Speaker 6 (42:25):
Gets it right, especially if he's not successful at the
next level.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
With Dion being there then of course.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
But my problem with that is and I and I
do think that they're they're having this issue already of
former Colorado players who were who have stats, who have
reasons why they should be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
They were patiently waiting on their turn.
Speaker 6 (42:56):
That's why the ad is the one he said he was,
because he's the one catching all the calls.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
You know, there's no question he's dealing with the fallout
and and.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Let's just be let'sten, you know.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
And again for any listener who's saying that, Okay, this
could have been a black white thing, this could have
been this whole issue is just because it's Dion again,
you're right, it is Dion, Because Dion is the one.
Speaker 11 (43:27):
Who's doing all the talking exactly, and he's he he
talked himself into something right there that is literally wrong.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
What do you say when you're to a freshman that
comes into Colorado? Right, let me say, coach, I want
to play. I want to start right now.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Son. You got to be patient, you got to take
your time. Your time will come.
Speaker 5 (43:50):
It's the complete opposite.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
It's the complete opposite of everything that we know about football.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
There's this zero.
Speaker 6 (43:59):
And that's why to me when he when he goes
on that rant about you know, this is the now generation.
When we want something, we go to Amazon, it's almost
like he's trying to convince himself as much as he
is the press, because it's well deserved.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
To me, that analogy doesn't really work. No, I'm not
in sports.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Well here's the other thing. If I don't have the money,
I don't care what's in Amazon. I can't just go
and get it. I may have to wait for the
next check, I may have to do whatever I need
to do. I might not be able to get it
for a month. The catch to me is can you
get it? Can you work hard enough to go get it?
Sure you you can't. You can't make the case that
(44:41):
it's got to be here, it's got to be now,
you got to have it right now.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
Right, That's that's totally off base. Whether it's it's a
double edged sword, of course, being Deon Sanders dad her son,
I mean him being your dad, because it could go
you know, it could be work in your favor or
in this case when with the draft, I feel like
it didn't work in his favor. And so you know,
(45:06):
I think I think Shador has a long road ahead
of him to earn that Jersey retirement. I think his
his individual achievements are they're good, but are they worthy
of what they did for him?
Speaker 5 (45:22):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
And and either way, there's a already you fall in
line behind a whole host soctly former players who are waiting, right.
Speaker 5 (45:32):
That's that's reality.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
That's the reality of it, all right. So let's let's
get the last clip.
Speaker 12 (45:39):
Jason. At that point, I have a feeling that that
A d. George He's gonna put a pair of sunglasses
up there in that ring of honor and just called
coach Prime gonna give him. Jason, I have a question,
do you have that much of an issue with Travis
Hunter having his jersey or attackers ball will give a
Heisman Trophy winner something.
Speaker 13 (46:00):
Rashan Salom waited twenty three years.
Speaker 4 (46:05):
He won the Heisman.
Speaker 13 (46:07):
He rushed for two thousand yards and you know, some
incredible season, Travis Hunter was going to be in their
Ring of honor and get his number retired. I would
have waited, and they've Look they've diminished Travis Hunter by
attaching him to Shadure. That's overshadowed the kid that actually
(46:30):
was the Heisman Trophy winner. The fact that he piggybacked
Shadu off of Travis Hunter because Okay, put Travis in
this year, put Shadur in next year. He can't do
it because Shadur can't stand on his own two feet
and justify that decision.
Speaker 5 (46:48):
Well, I think that that spec volumes.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
I think so too. And I think the fact that
you look at the two one is a guarantee, you know,
first round pick.
Speaker 6 (47:09):
Pick of the draft the draft. Yeah, I mean that
that's right there.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
I really starting to it almost looks like we have
to get something over here for my son because all
this is happening with his buddy.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
See, I would hate to be I would hate to.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Be on I'd hate to be the friend of in
this situation because you got to sit beside him, hear
all this craziness from him and his day. Yes, and
and I don't know how much are you patting me
on the back because.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
I'm already good?
Speaker 3 (47:50):
Right, you know? And then you're gonna go And then
here's the here's my thing. We're talking about the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
That's where you're going. Okay.
Speaker 5 (48:01):
I love the way you preface that. Yes, we're talking
about the Browns.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
That's where you're Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Being Cleveland used to be my favorite team. I grew
up of Brown's, diehard Browns.
Speaker 5 (48:11):
Anything against the Browns.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
I don't have anything against them either. That they are
where they are right you are there. You don't need
to say anything one All the things that you're saying,
all these clips, the things that you're saying are making
veteran players upset. Sure they're not gonna say it, but
(48:34):
they're not liking they're not liking you talking about all
this kind of stuff. How great you're gonna be. You
haven't even you haven't touched an NFL field yet to
see exactly what it's like. Your Dad dominated it, but
he can't play it for you, and so you're gonna
have to go out. You're gonna have to see it.
(48:57):
And I can tell you how many times have you
seen great quarterbacks, great running backs, great guys at any
position everybody think, oh God, she's gonna be great, goes
early in the draft and does.
Speaker 4 (49:11):
What nothing right?
Speaker 6 (49:13):
And those are the ones that have high expectations that
were drafted early, first second round. Yes, yes, So now
we're looking at Shador, who was almost that he was
in the last round correct basically basically yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
I mean he's too he's too up for me, right,
So you know.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
My question is I want to see what he I
want to see what you do. Yeah, you know, because
I'm not. I don't wish him bad at all. I
wish him. I love for him to be great, but
he's gonna have to learn to because he's I don't
think he's ever going to be deon.
Speaker 4 (49:50):
So he needs to shut up and just play.
Speaker 6 (49:53):
And I think that same advice that you're giving to
Shador applies to Dion as well.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
He's got it, Yeah, he's gonna he's start.
Speaker 5 (49:59):
To let it go. He's got so let it go.
Speaker 6 (50:01):
And let his son go out there and prove on
his own merits that he deserves to be there and
deserved to be drafted higher.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
And you're one hundred percent right. And I'll say this
so and and and you can close this out. But
this is something that I think I see more of
in sports now, parents being you know, involved.
Speaker 4 (50:26):
And I am wondering if.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Dion's active aggressive being part of his son's career, does
that tempt does that encourage parents today to do to
attempt to do the same thing. And I think that
I think that's that's showing us something wrong.
Speaker 5 (50:54):
Right.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
It's not a good exam, It's not it's not a
good example.
Speaker 6 (50:56):
It's not a good example of what to do for
your for your your son or your daughter.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
Old coaches are not gonna deal with you. No, they're
not gonna deal with you or your son. They'll tell
you to take your son. You and your son go
somewhere else. New school coaches may try to try to
make it, they'll try to hang in there with you
at for a little bit. But if you as a parent,
if you go too far, and you have to really
(51:22):
you have to pay attention to where you are and
what you're saying to the football or the head coach
of basketball, whatever that head coach is, you gotta be
careful of what.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
You're saying to him.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
And your son can't sit around and talk about how
great he is before he's even got on the ground.
Speaker 6 (51:41):
And somebody, you know, somebody created that monster. I mean,
somebody created that personality. Yes and so, And I'm afraid
this is just a reflection of society. Like you just said,
it's not the best example we're putting out there, but
unfortunately it's what's happening. And I think the influences of
once again social media, you know, just being everything at
(52:02):
your fingertips, travel ball, everything immediate.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
You know, immediate grati gratification.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
And to his point, there's no such thing as immediate
gratification other than you celebrating your touchdown because that touchdown,
because that touchdown does not mean you're gonna win the game.
It just means you got a touchdown. We may lose
the game, so that celebration, we could we could be
losing the game. You get an interception and we still lost,
(52:29):
and I'm in the end zone doing a dance, celebrating
my own thing.
Speaker 5 (52:34):
When we lose right.
Speaker 6 (52:36):
So, and that's why we think, once again contradictory all
of this because this is all he's making it all
about a single individual, his son, rather than a team sport.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
Because if you try to get everybody, what if everybody
does their own.
Speaker 5 (52:51):
Thing right, it won't work.
Speaker 4 (52:53):
It won't work. It won't work.
Speaker 3 (52:55):
Now, ladies and gentlemen, we I tell you sports is
getting crazy and and it's just and it just bothers
me that you know, a player as great as Dion was,
he can't he doesn't see it. And everybody I think
wants the best for his son, even and the people
who don't is because of.
Speaker 4 (53:16):
Dia, right.
Speaker 6 (53:17):
And the one thing that's coming to my mind right
now is that quote that we had when Tennessee was
dealing with that quarterback situation. No player is bigger than
the program, and that that that has to be, that
has to be emphasized.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
There's nothing about them too that are even talking about
the team.
Speaker 5 (53:35):
Right, They're talking about him individual.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
Just individual.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, I hope you enjoyed the show,
and we'll be back again next week.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
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or Sunday nights at eight for Let's Talk with Carl Lee.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
God doesn't don't for get back up for your feet
anything a be a win, yup, even the feet that
says shit's a bath for you. Wise visyy sweet couldn't
play with big kids.
Speaker 4 (54:15):
I had to sit in the street and watch from
a distance. But over time I grew.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
If I put in the work, in no time, I'm
doing everything that I worked and prayed.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
I'm okay.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
If you ask me how did I do it, I'm
gonna say. You gotta work, cry shine, just mine gotta show.
Speaker 4 (54:30):
Everybody is my time.
Speaker 5 (54:32):
He ain't here.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
You gotta work, cry shine. You never mind who talk
of dive this day line, don't talk. You gotta work.
You gotta work. You gotta work, You gotta work.
Speaker 4 (54:47):
You gotta work. You gotta work.
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