April 3, 2025 • 57 mins
On this episode of Let's Talk with Carl Lee, the team dives deep into the seismic shifts happening across college athletics. Carl, Lisa, and co-host Delegate Hollis Lewis—who also serves in the West Virginia House of Delegates—break down key legislation currently moving through the statehouse that will shape the future of Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) deals for student-athletes. Hollis gives a clear-eyed breakdown of bills codifying NIL contracts and collectives, raising crucial questions about revenue sharing, transparency, and long-term equity between schools like WVU and Marshall.
The conversation doesn’t stop at policy—Carl and Lisa explore how NIL is rewriting March Madness, potentially stifling Cinderella stories and shifting the motivations of college athletes from pro dreams to immediate paydays. With honesty, curiosity, and a dose of skepticism, the hosts ask: is college sports becoming a farm league for the rich—and what happens to the soul of the game?
Plus, a visit from South Carolina offensive line coach and Marshall alum Greg Adkins brings stories of grit, change, and adapting to a new era in recruiting. This is one of the show’s most layered episodes yet—part policy breakdown, part locker room talk, and fully engaged with the future of sports.
The conversation doesn’t stop at policy—Carl and Lisa explore how NIL is rewriting March Madness, potentially stifling Cinderella stories and shifting the motivations of college athletes from pro dreams to immediate paydays. With honesty, curiosity, and a dose of skepticism, the hosts ask: is college sports becoming a farm league for the rich—and what happens to the soul of the game?
Plus, a visit from South Carolina offensive line coach and Marshall alum Greg Adkins brings stories of grit, change, and adapting to a new era in recruiting. This is one of the show’s most layered episodes yet—part policy breakdown, part locker room talk, and fully engaged with the future of sports.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
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Speaker 3 (00:46):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen. This is Car Lee with Let's Talk.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
And I have my two co hosts in the building,
Hollis Lewis and Lisa Odie and miss Odie. Today she's
brought us a guest. Yeah, she's going to introduce and
we will go from there.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Absolutely. I'm so excited to have this guest on the
podcast tonight.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
He is a son of West Virginia and also a
son of Marshall, so we've got a double thing going there.
Just wanted to give a little background to this guest.
He is currently the offensive line coach at the University
of South Carolina. He has twenty nine years of experience
coaching both at the collegiate and pro levels. He served
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as the assistant coach for the Thundering Herd in nineteen
ninety two when they won the one Double A national
championship Bad and not bad at all, and he also
played on Marshall's football team through the year's nineteen eighty
six and nineteen eighty nine and so, without further ado,
from Charleston, West Virginia, mister Greg Atkins, welcome, Greg.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Hey, how you guys doing it well?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
How you going?
Speaker 5 (01:55):
How did you like that introduction? Greg?
Speaker 6 (01:58):
It was really good. As soon as you came online.
There's uh, there's a fire truck driving by me. I
probably you put it on fire on fire introduction.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Hey, Greg, just just real quick, you probably have to
know Sterling Sharp. I'd have to think if you're if
you're down in South Carolina, have you met.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Well, I don't really, I don't.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
I wouldn't say I know him, But what I do
know is uh him as a golf course and he's uh.
I think he's a guy that absolutely loves to win
at golf.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Well, if by some chance you see him and you
walk up to him and say, hey, Carl Lee has
told you that I'm the reason he's playing golf as
good as he's playing it.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I introduced him to golf here in West Virginia.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
I believe. Don't believe that, Greg, It is not a
minute of it.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
He learned, played golf here and then went back to
South Carolina, took lessons and got better than all of us.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
Well, just one thing. The one thing I know about
Sirlin Sharp is he likes to win. And I don't
know how good his golf game actually is really good.
He usually wins.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
He's really good. But as a side note, well go.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Ahead, oh no, no, so, Greg, we were going to
have you just talk a little bit about some of
the successes you've experienced with the game Cocks so far
with your career.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
Well, I mean, certainly, I had an opportunity. I was
coaching at Marshall when Coach Bamer got this job at
South Carolina, and that was the transition between Doc and
Coach Hull, and I got the opportunity to come to
South Carolina with Coach Baemer and Coach Baemer was actually
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a graduate assistant at South Carolina UH at Tennessee when
I was coaching at Tennessee. Uh So, so there was
a connection. And uh and of course I've known his
father for a number of years. His father actually recruited
me out of high school a little bit at Virginia Tech.
It was his first year at Virginia Tech. So so
there's a lot of connections and and ultimately we we
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we've done a good job here at South Carolina.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
UH.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Coach Beemer obviously learned from his father, but he also
learned from another a number of other people that he's
worked for, Philip Falmer, Sylvester Chrome, she Spur. Uh So,
I mean, the guy's been around a lot of legendary,
legendary coaches, and he's well ahead of his time. I mean,
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his birthday was yesterday. I won't say hell who he is,
but his birthday was yesterday, and I told him all
good people are born in March. And uh uh or
I guess today go now, I'm sorry, I forget it's
spring practice. There's a lot of a lot of stuff
going on, but uh, you know, we we've done a
good job. I mean, you know, it's all about a quarterback,
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you know, and uh, it's all about the offensive defensive
line in this league and the Southeastern conferences. Uh is
a lot of scrimmage league, like a lot of places.
But if you don't have those kind of people on
the O lines and D lines, you you have no
chance in this league at all. And and we've done
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a good job of of uh recruiting the line of scrimmage. Uh,
we actually have a quarterback that is phenomenal who is
just just any second year here and he played phenomenally
well for us last year. And uh, we're excited about
the future. Uh. We have done a great job. And
(05:54):
I'm sure we'll get into it. But the whole portal
situation is I'm going to.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Catch you off. That's what I wanted to ask you about.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
You've been in the game for a long time, You've
been coaching for a while now, so and I know
generally assistant coaches they they are tasked with recruiting not
only their their specific position, but also a region. So
how has recruiting changed for you given the transfer portal
in what it is today.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Well, I mean, we all still have an area that
we're responsible for, but at the end of the day,
there's a lot of position recruiting going on now. So
you have to be you know, you have to be
you know, you have to be good to recruit, you know,
not only high school players because listen, we'll talk about
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the facts. I mean, at the end of the day,
this is a still a developmental SEC program.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
We're not gonna be.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
Able to get the elite of elites all the time.
But we've been able to attract several five star players
UH to come here, and a couple offense linemen, and
and a receiver and a defensive end that everybody's going
to know about which they most Dylan Stewart, who will be,
you know, whatever he wants to be, you know. And
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so at the end of the day, we have a
great product to sell here. But we've done a really
good job of the developmental stage of players. We have
an outstanding weight room, we have an outstanding culture here,
and you know, we have been we have developed players
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and we've supplemented it with the portal. We're still going
to recruit high school players. We signed we signed one
of the most high school players of anybody UH in
the SEC. Last year. We signed twenty four high school players.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Well, because that was one of that was one of
the questions that I was going to ask you was
because we've talked about high school kids are all of
a sudden sudden getting left out because of transfers and
things like that. But you guys are saying you're pretty
much focusing on the top high school players.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Am I hearing that? Is that what I'm here?
Speaker 4 (08:08):
You know?
Speaker 6 (08:09):
We we we are. I mean, it's all gonna start.
I mean, it's all starts at South Carolina with high
school recruiting, and there's a you know, obviously in the
state of South Carolina has produced a lot of number
of great players. And then our footprint with you know,
being a tasted to North Carolina really at tasted to Tennessee,
attached to Georgia and Florida, UH and Alabama to to
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some extent, we're gonna we're gonna live in those states
and we're still going to try to get the best
players out of that state. And the other thing that
we have is we have this little influx of d
m V players because of coach Beemer's connections, our our
dB coach Tory and Gray, who played at Virginia Tech
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who's who played in NFL for a number of years,
and then starting uh Serling Lucas our d n coach,
and then Lennie Teasley, who who's from Jersey and uh
So we have this influx of d m V kids
that have done a great job for us over you know,
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in our first four or five years here.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
That's amazing. Hey, Greg, So you've talked a little bit
about some of the influences and the different teams are
actually coaches and teams that you've worked with. Can you
tell us a little bit about your history with football,
how you got started in coaching, you know, what kind
of things motivated you to this sport and actually to
this position in general.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Well, that's a great question. A lot of people asked
that question, you know, like how did you get started
in coaching? And you know, I was a player at
Marshall from eighty six to eighty nine, and I was
a UH. I played, I played under George Shomp and
uh and then coach Chump left to become the head
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coach at Navy, and I was kind of a part
of the I won't say the search committee, but I
was a part of the informal interviews with potential candidates
to replace George Trump. And there were two guys that
I got a chance to meet with, and that was
Jim donnon and that was a guy named Larry Blakeney.
(10:17):
And uh, and so I'm I'm just hanging out in
grad school after I finished playing and and and like
four or five days after Jim Donnay got the job,
he said, what are you doing? And you know, and
I was like, well, I don't know. I'm just I'm
in grad school. Uh, you know, I'm trying to I'm
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going to do it in my life, you know. And
he said, why don't you come out and help us
out in spring practice and say if you want to
do this coaching thing. And I did and and so
so I did and and uh, you know, I won't
get into the details of how I ultimately, you know,
kept going because it was an unforeseen situation that happened
(11:03):
to somebody on defense that I actually my first year
in coaching, I coached the defensive line and me and
Brad Lambert actually coached the defensive line at Marshall in
nineteen ninety one. And then I moved back to offense
and then you know, coach coach down got the job
at Georgia. I was twenty five years old, and I
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had no I had I had no idea what was
going on.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Like I was twenty five and I like, you know,
you had no idea what was happening in the world.
You know, you just like you have no idea at
twenty five years old, what like what's going on? And
and I'll never forget it. I was, I was at
my I'm sorry, my late wife grandmother's house and uh
(11:59):
and this is like, this is like the evolution of
cell phones, right, yeah, there's no there's no cell phones
in ninety four. You got a backbone maybe if you're lying.
And one of the things I always remember Jim donnad
I always said, was like like, hey, we're going to
have two weeks off. We lost in the National Championship game,
and he said, hey, everybody, uh, make sure you leave
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a number, a couple of numbers where you might be
over the Christmas holidays and no, behold, on Christmas Day,
I get a call from Jim donnah and uh and
he said, hey, uh, where are you at? And I
was like, uh, well, I'm in Bell West, Virginia. Nice,
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that's where that's where her grandmother lived. And uh. Between
Bell and I was just like all right, and he says,
how long before you get to Huntington And I was like, well,
I can be there whenever you need. This is Christmas
Day now and uh and uh. So I drove the
Huntings in West Virginia and I got a job at
the University of Georgia at twenty five years old.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
And so let me let me ask you this coach,
just as like I said, you, you coached a lot
of particularly with that Marshall team. I believe William King
and Mark Mason and a couple of local guys were there.
So let me ask you, like, with all your experience
and where you're at, now, what are you looking for?
Because you know, and I'm asking this question because I'm
a I'm a I'm a old quarterback and I love
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nothing more than a good offensive line. So so what
what are we looking for in in a in a
an elite division one offensive lineman?
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Now, well, I mean, I think I think it goes
for every position. Truthfully, I think the world we live
in today in college football is a different world than
it was three years ago, and it'll be different two
years from now. I think you have to change with times.
I think you can't. You can't be so old school
(13:54):
like I like, I'm an old school guy. I'm gonna
coach your I'm gonna cut your yard. I promise you that.
But you also got to figure like, at the end
of the day, you really have to get to know
the player, and this player has to want to be coached,
because today the world is about nli and it's about
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like what's cool and what shoes am I gonna wear?
And what uniform am I gonna wear? And all this
kind of stuff, and I could care less about all that. Truthfully,
all I want is guys who want to play football
and be tough, smart and dependable. And if they're tough,
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smart and dependable, if their high school coach, and through
my investigation, if they can do all those kind of things,
then obviously they got to be able to play the game.
And if they can do that, then I'm really interested,
you know, And it's just a matter of how they're
gonna fit to our program here at South Carolina or
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any other place I've really been. But the world today
is just like crazy, you know, in a number of
different ways. As we all know, but this whole thing's
hopefully gonna settle down here in the very in near future.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Do you think, coach and I'm gonna, we're gonna, We're
gonna let you go here. One one of my concerns,
you know, is when you start looking at players and
you're like, oh, man, I really like this player.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
But next thing, you know, you know, everybody's looking for
that in nil.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
How do you all approach the kid you know that
that you can't reach like that he's just putting a
number out there. And do people do parents understand and
do kids recruits understand that there could be actually a
limit that the school has, but everything.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
At the school might be perfect for you.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
Well, I think it's everybody's learning. I bet I learn
every day. I'm fifty, I'm fifty seven years old, and
I bet this is my thirty six years coaching, and
I learn every day about what's next, right, And I
think the people that are not learning about what's next
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are the people that got to be in trouble. And
I think the people that are looking to the future
needs to also say, Okay, where are these gudrails? Where
are we going? Where is the revenue sharing where's the
NLI and all that. Listen. I'm all for players getting
paid like I love it. I wish I had it
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when I was playing. I mean, I wish I'd got
my dad. When my dad gave me twenty dollars after
a game on Saturday, I was jacked up. What I'm saying,
I was jacked up, and my daddy gave me that
twenty dollars because I thought I made him proud, right,
you know. And at the end of the day, you know,
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I think you've got to manage all that stuff. And
I'm not really involved than too much of that stuff.
What I am involved is is is just trying to
find the best players available and then and then and
and find and make sure they have the right characteristics
that we want, and then we go from there and
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now they they you know, we have this whole other
entourage that can figure out all that other stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
I really don't have to figure that out, even though
there's you know, I'll be honest, if a player brings
that up very early when I'm getting to know a player,
then that that's kind of a turn off for me,
to be honest with you. But if if a player
is trying to figure out, how are you going to
get me better? What are you going to do for me?
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How do you see me fitting in and and asking
from an academic standpoint, and all the things that we
used to talk about. If they're asking those types of
questions and the parents are, then I'm gonna be more
intrigued by that human. Now with that being said, it's
not like there's not money available for certain caliber type player,
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you know. But luckily I don't have to deal with that.
Like my my job is not to deal with that.
My job is to coach and uh and recruit the
best players we can get at South Carolina. And you know,
it's it's it's a beautiful thing. It's a beautiful thing,
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but it's but it's I think the people that can change,
and I think like the old school guys, to be
honest with you, like myself, like us, well we're all right,
like us, all of us that can change are the
people that are going to be really good because we
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were good when this wasn't wasn't an issue and uh,
and now when we're good in the past and we
don't really deal with that part of it we're still
gonna be good and we're gonna be great.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Actually, all right, well coach, we we're gonna have to
take a quick break here.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Man. We appreciate that information.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
And actually when when we when we come out of
this commercial, then I'm gonna also kind of touch back
a couple of things that you said I gotta throw
at these times.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
So we appreciate your time being here today. We really do.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Good luck with spring practice. Greg.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Thanks coach, all right, thank you. We're about a halfway through.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
All right, talk to you seeing. Thanks.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
All right, let me be before we before we run
off to a quick break. Hollis Lewis is gonna have
to leave us early, and so we're gonna we're gonna
give him a little bit of mic time.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
So again when we talk what I love about doing
this show is that we not only talk about current events,
we talk about the future of sports, we talk about
the past sports, and we also talk about all levels
and anything social issues concerning sports. So, you know, we
have a couple of bills in the West Virginia Legislator
that would be affecting sports here in West Virginia. So
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the first one is a house built twenty five to
seventy six. And what that does is that codifies nil
you know, into West Virginia law. Again, not that it
was ever illegal, it's just that, you know, it's such
a new concept that most states didn't have it codified
in law. They would have like a policy and procedure
through like their landmark university such as ours as WVU,
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and normally everybody else would follow that. So you know,
early on a couple of states like Virginia and Florida,
they had codified it. So West Virginia we caught up
when they actually codified in IL. Just to tell you
what it is and what it's not, different things of
that nature, it's really simple bill. Now along with that,
which we can have some discussion on, is House Built
twenty five ninety five, and basically what that does is
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that codifies NIL collectives. Now, previously nil collectives they were
sort of a third party. They were associated with the school,
but not really. And now with sort of the revenue
sharing model that that most schools and most states are following,
n I L excuse me, NIL collectives are directly tied
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to the school. So not only can they you know,
raise money, generate revenue for the school far as you know,
paying some of the athletes through the ni L, but
they can also have kind of property share agreements and
and and you know not only the physical property, maybe
some IP properties. So they're directly tied where those student
athletes are getting paid through the through the school, through
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the NIL collective, so basically through the school.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
So so let me ask you this Hall. So this
did not exist before when these when these non profit
entities were in play, there there were non profit unities
to do the money right, but they weren't associated with, not.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Directly speciated with the school. So like like I said,
they were a third party. Although you had like somebody
like Georgia Tech. They had their collective and they had
sort of a grayish area where they would kind of
tie to the school but not but for most part
they were These collectors were formed of independent boosters who
didn't like you know, these these school Now what was
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going through the school is just like I said, the
NIL agreement. So again as I mentioned earlier twenty five
seventy six that were quodify as in IL the contracts
and the school would say, you know, you can do this,
you can represent these brands like for example, athletes, they
can't represent like tobacco and alcohol.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
And gaming, different things to that nature.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
So they was sort of, like I said, set the policy,
but the third parties would actually do the pain. So
I think maybe what this has the ability to do,
it can sort of hone in some of the things,
make more uniform rules across maybe the nation, and you know,
set maybe some parameters on exactly you know, pay scales
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and different things of that nature. So that almost the
way I look at it, it's almost working like you know,
sort of like a almost like a GM sort of
if that makes sense, because not only can they you know,
pay the players, but they can also help with different things,
like I said, licensing and contract agreements, some educational stuff
and different things of that. And you're talking when you're starting,
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when you start talking about you're talking about like contract
deals with Nike or something like that. So instead of
me dealing with that kind of on my own and
quote I don't have an agent, Yeah, that can be
managed through the school essentially. Yes, So like like exactly
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so branding deals, maybe even some ips. So if I'm like,
you know, remember Johnny Manziel with the money sign and
cool nicknames a lot of a lot of kids. They'll
do now, they'll license those names and copyright those images.
So these n IL collectors we may probably be able
to assist with some of those things. So it basically
it's keeping things in house. Now again, you know, if
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that's a good thing, is that a bad thing? It
can depend.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
My my question to it.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
I think it's great. I think you know to have
the school so you don't get tricked. You know, you
have someone there at the school that's gonna assist you
with this process. What makes what's strange to me is
if I get that, why would I leave? You know,
I don't mean to bring up another subject, but you
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know what I'm saying, like, if this school's gonna do
this for me, and not saying that every school won't
do it, you know, and you're giving me an io
money and you're helping me get it set up and
to where I know I'm gonna get it, that's gonna
be structured and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Why would I leave?
Speaker 4 (24:38):
I think the thing that gives me pause is that,
for example, again it becomes much simpler, well not even so,
like let's say, let's say you get a Nike deal.
Let's say that and you are a sophomore in college
basketball football player. You get a Nike deal. The Nike
deal is structured and the collectors helps set that up. Now,
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what happens when you go pro? If do do they
continue to get a piece of that contract? What happens
if you are a creative college student and you set
up some sort of IP you got some cool I'm
Johnny Cash and you start selling T shirts out of
your own you know, you you made your own brand
and your image, and the collective's help set that up.
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As that grows and continuing you have a professional career.
Do they maintain some sort of IP.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Rights with that?
Speaker 4 (25:29):
So I think it's a good thing, but I think
it could get tricky as we go down the line. Well,
especially when you start talking about the top player. Let's
say you're the top player on the team and I
got I'm working with you. Well, you're gonna be a
first round pick. I ain't letting you go. You know
what I'm saying, I want to keep that because now
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I'm am I your agent or am I just that guy?
That's what I'm saying, and that's what I'm saying the
length of the contract. So I would be it's gonna
be interesting to see how these are going to be implemented.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Man, Yeah, well, I was just gonna ask you. Is
another reason that this this House bill was passed was
it kind of protects the schools from like the NC
double A, from stepping in like if there's any it
blocks them from changing things, like it kind of guarantees
that this is this is the way it has to
be because it's in law.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Rather than the end hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Like I said, this state law, like I said, and
like I said, each state is doing it differently, So
it does give some protection to the schools.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Like I said, far.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
As proceeds the NC double A.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
I don't I'm not, I'm I'm I don't want to
say that. But even within the bill itself, it did
give some protections to from from the conferences in school
from coming down because again, everybody, unfortunately when it comes
in n I L everybody's kind of doing it a
little different from state to state. There's no uniform policy,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
I just wanted to say something that's related to this
really quick, guys, But I was reading through the article
about this bill, and it was kind of layman terms,
not not not so much of the the legal jargon,
but basically it was talking about the money is available
at this time, right now for the schools. And from
what I read, and this was from a reputable news source,
that WU has twenty point five million available to share
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with their student athletes through this new entity, Marshall has
one point five million.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, so it's going to be it's like, and I
think that's.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Been so the disparity.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, and we've we've seen that through like even like
the NCAA and March madness ain't really been much madness.
That's one and two, right, And another interesting thing we'll
move on. But another interesting thing about the collectives is
not only do they you know, help form contracts with
different things in that nxture for the student athletes, but
there can be property move between you know, the collective
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and the school. So it could be a situation in
which maybe that collective could have naming rights over the stadium,
or they could buy and sell land that's you know,
that the school has. And so that's what I'm saying.
It's not a clear cut.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
You're making me feel a little a little one comfortable
with it.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
So I think it's gonna be one of them things
that's gonna have to be. We're gonna have to see
it in action, and then as the years going, it's
gonna be it's gonna need to be probably tightened up.
You can guarantee that somebody's gonna do something wrong.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's the nature of it.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
That you know, somebody's gonna get greedy, somebody's gonna show
up and be like, you know, oh, this took place
behind behind closed doors.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah, there's just no way.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
That with that kind of money out there available. Man,
I just don't see how that stays clean and a
good thing is.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Just and it's kind of independent.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
When you talked about the disparity disparity between Marshall and WVU,
the good thing about it is that collective will be
tasked with raising that money up, so they would try
to one of the probably the primary things to do
is try to raise that difference from one point five up. Yes, Now,
what bill I really like is of House Bill twenty four.
And again, just for the view for anybody listening, these
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are all current. All these haven't necessarily passed, they haven't
gone to the governor's signed these or things that's been
introduced in some passing the House. It's house built twenty
four to ninety one, which allows online raffles to college
is So, for example, if you go into a college
sporting event or prior high school for that matter, there's
fifty to fifty fifty fifty tickets, right. So what this
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would do is that it would end the goo fencing.
So basically you could sell these fifty to fifty tickets
online so you wouldn't necessarily have a fifty a physical raffle,
and you could sell them to anybody across the country.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
So for example, if.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
You're at a WUVU game, you could sell a fifty
to fifty raffle tickets to not only everybody in the stands,
but anybody perceivably probably in the United States. So what
I like about this is that you like Yeah, what
you like about it is that you smaller schools. So
if you had like a state, and I think it
could do two things. Number One, it can raise revenue
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again because you're not limited to the people that are
in the audience. And number two, it might raise viewership
because even like it's like a West Virginia State University,
where we're having our games broadcasting on like a website.
On our website, you may be encouraged to watch the
game in order to see if you won the fifty
to fifty raffle. So I think I think it could
be a net positive, particularly where we're at with with
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n I l okay. So I don't, I don't. This
is not quote gambling, right, this is not like that.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I mean, I guess, but cut the raffle.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
But what what what kills me is the whole the
whole gambling thing, you know, and and NFL and NBA
and all that kind of stuff. How players, Oh my gosh,
you there's no way you can gamble because there could
be a chance that you're gambling. You may be betting
against your team or whatever whatever whatever. So we need
to keep gambling out of sport.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Really.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Now we got now we've got the major commercials at
sporting of scambling. And now and we're gonna we're gonna
we're gonna try to do in college. We're gonna try
to take a step down from actually gambling and and
and let's call it fifty to fifty or you know,
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all this kind of stuff so that we can make money.
I mean, but to you at least's point, Lisa pointed
out why this is important to school like Marshall, where
you got one point five in your collective versus w
VU where you got twenty.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
You need so so so if I'm a player.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
And I and I and I'm out there and I'm
doing this, I'm I'm putting my money in it, and
I can't pay. No, no, no, this is for this is
a this is a fit. It's just like it's damed
a game. Yeah it's not to outside the game, but.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I can't but I can't. I can't put my money
like I think you probably would be prohibited from doing that.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
I'm gonna say that.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
But why why It's just like if you work at
the lottery, you can't play the lottery.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
I mean, I understand what what what Hollis is saying
about a way it's another way to raise the revenues
for these smaller schools and well even for the bigger
schools for that matter. I don't know what it is
about it, and maybe it's because I'm old school, but
the fifty to fifty raffle with the paper tickets at
the ball game seems innocent to me. Going online and
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selling it nationwide takes it to a whole different level.
And I don't know why. I feel like there's just
so many things that could crash and burn with that.
I don't know. I feel like that there's things that
could it could get dirty. Does that Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I don't think so. Because you're selling to your family
is my issue is.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
But you're saying, like you said, yeah, to your family,
but it could be.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
At fad fan base.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Yeah, so it could go outside of the family.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I mean that's true. But normally, like I said, if
you if it's like why stay clean? Like why would
this state? I mean, but why would he get dirty?
It's a fifty fifty?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Why would he get dirty? It's a fifty fifty when
we ever heard of a problem.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
I just think you can manipulate it more, make fifty.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
You can make it when making a simple thing, or
you could actually say okay, it's kind of like I
envisiited like this, all right, so we're we're gonna sell
you the virtual tickets online, so and then you can
actually steal you can make it a spectacle, right because
you can sell these virtual tickets online, put them in
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a huge bucket, and then at the halftime you can
actually pull out the physical the ticket and you can
actually announce it during the game. So I can now
sit and then go on lines and I can call
out who won. So it could be a big spectacle,
and I'm selling it to the fan base that are there.
So if it's a pit WVU, those are the fans
that's gonna be watching that game.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
And to your point, the protein, like we we went
to a spring training game down in when we were
in clear Water, and they actually had something similar to
what you're saying, Like it wasn't the tip paper tickets
like I'm thinking about fifty to fifty you know in
high school games. It was actually they had like a
machine that could take a credit card or cash and
then they printed out all these tickets and then you
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didn't have to be present to win. You could go
on a website and check your number. Not quite you know,
the video production that you're saying, it could could happen,
but it's already here.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I think it would be a good thing.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
And we'll go over house built twenty four excuse me,
twenty twenty seven to seventy four. That basic creates an
increases penalties if somebody attacks a culture official. So I
think that's a good thing. Twenty House Built twenty three
fifty five. This bill would have Again, this bill got
soundly defeated. So this is not going into law. This
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is dead, this is DA This is not a bill
that we'll see. This would have allowed high school and
middle schools to play not only during the end season sport,
but they would have been allowed to play travel at
the same time. This was a horrible bill, horrible nobody
liked it. Like I said, it got soundly pitted the
pasture where it should have been because it was dramatically problematic.
(34:55):
All right, I'm going to break it. I'm going to
bring that up based off of football. You'll be gone,
but me and Lisa we'll touch on that on football. Ladies, gentlemen,
we're gonna take a quick break and we will be
right back.
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Speaker 4 (36:10):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we have lost our one
of our co hosts, Hollis Lewis.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
We were in a fight anyway, when we were leaving.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Mike dropped in the last.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
He made his point, got to get out of the way.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
So all right, so so let's let's we're gonna kind
of change the direction a little bit. You know, we
we talked and again let's go to n Aisle and
let's let's talk the effect and impact that it has
on let's say basketball and collegiate basketball. Yes, in most cases,
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every year, huge upsets, right, everybody like gets excited because
there's these upsets.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
Sure not this year?
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Not this year?
Speaker 5 (37:02):
You plan basketball.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Ones and twos.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Are basically in the semis right.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Now, I'm going to make the case.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Now I could be dead wrong here, Nil, it is
all part of that. I think those particular teams could
very well be the strongest teams based off of their
nil or let's just say, the most skilled players that
any teams could actually feel like, what, what do you
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think that?
Speaker 5 (37:36):
Well, I mean, I would not disagree with that statement.
I mean, obviously, what happened this year during March Madness
was far from madness. We had no cinderellas. It was
you know, pretty much the teams that were supposed to
win won their games, and usually by quite a margin.
It wasn't a lot of close games. Now at the beginning,
I think there was maybe one or two and I
can't think of the names of the teams. It escapes me.
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But there was maybe one that made it pass that
first round, but then the second game it wasn't even close.
So what you're saying with the nil and the and
the portal, I mean that that that is is just it.
It's tamed March Madness, so to speak. I think what's
happened is when you do get a Cinderella team like
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you're I think the Florida Golf Coast, you know that
was one that years ago you had a had a
really great deep run as a Cinderella in the March Madness.
You've had teams like James Madison University. I'm just throwing
names that from the past. You know, probably what's happened
to those teams. They build a great team that could
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that can compete with these blue bloods and these schools
that are typically you know, household names Duke, North Carolina,
and and they they those teams come in and and
they take those quality players, those players that that that
have been developed by that smaller school, and they end
up going to the bigger schools and building dynasties.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
And I think there was like a.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Like maybe like a two or three hundred number of
actual NIL players that have gone somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Sure, Just I mean, like now right, like to me.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
What is the stability of collegiate sports?
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Like, like, I.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Mean, are we can you get a team and say,
oh I love this team. I you know all the
way down to the sixth man, I you know, I
love this team.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
This team is solid.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
You have one season, right to enjoy that group, right,
and as soon as that season gets remotely close to
being over, three or four of those guys are going to.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
Be gone, right sure, because they're gonna go where there's
more money.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
They're gonna go where there's more money.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
And name, you know the name of this and you know, do.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
You think the name? Do you think the name matters
or does the money matter?
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Well?
Speaker 5 (40:04):
I think I think it's a combination, Carl, because I
mean they want a chance. I mean, if you're at
a smaller school, what are the odds that you're going
to make it in March Madness and make a deep run.
Whereas if you're at one of those schools, why do
not have a double bonus? Why not get the money
and have a chance to make a run in March
Madness in the national championship? To me, and they kind
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of go hand in hand.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Anyway, here's what's interesting to me, and everything that you
said is one correct. I'm sitting here and I'm thinking
in my mind as you ask a question and answering it, right, Like,
I'm thinking to myself, well, what am I thinking about?
What would I be thinking about? I'm thinking about trying
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to get the Sunday right, I'm trying to play on Sunday.
I didn't have the access to the money.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
My access to.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
The money was being able to get to Right. We're
we're paying kids now.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Who they don't eat. So how do I motivate them
to get to the NBA? You know what I'm saying.
When you can make life.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Changing money at the collegiate level, at the collegiate level,
right and do nothing after.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
That, right, I mean like that could that could become
a problem for professional sports in the long run. I
mean I truly believe that because you think about it.
I mean, if they can make that kind of, like
you said, life changing money in their youth and they've
got that money and they really you know, if they
if they have risk for injury in the NFL, I
mean other than the NOTORIETI I think a player would
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want to make it to the professional level for the notariate,
but possibly in the future, it won't be for the money.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
And I'm going to make the case to to that point.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
There's going to be a ton of players who will
make a bunch of money at the collegiate level, right
and not play.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
It exactly, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Other than that they don't have to. They won't have to,
nor will they maybe even be good enough.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
Right, they won't have to, yep, or you're right, it
won't matter. They'll have that money and they won't have
that motivation.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
How is that okay?
Speaker 6 (42:13):
Like?
Speaker 1 (42:13):
How is that?
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Like? How are we just okay with that?
Speaker 4 (42:18):
I get a parent, I get a parent from a
from a talented high school kid who's getting ready to
go to college, and there's a bunch of people talking
about a bunch.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Of money for him or her. I'm behind you, because, hey,
the future, what the future? Right?
Speaker 4 (42:40):
But on the on on, on my on my professional
athlete side, I look at it, and I'm thinking, you mean,
if if I go back, if I could have gone
back to Marshall and been one of the better players
on our teams that were not very.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Good, how much Nio money could I have made, and.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
Maybe now I don't have all the aches and pains.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
That come along when with the professional football league. I
get it. Yeah, well, you know, I totally agree with
everything you're saying too, Carl. But something I saw and
I wish Hollis was still here, and I wanted to
bring it up, but I know he had to go
in that house spill twenty five seventy six. Something that
caught my eye. It has to do with NI our
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discussion was allowing schools to keep nil deals private. This
was part of the verbiage of this bill in West Virginia,
and it also prevents other schools. What kind of the
intent of it is to prevent other schools from outbidding
for players. Now, I understand the intent of that. I
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understand trying to keep it private, but can you really
keep it private? I mean other than maybe not release
it immediately to the media. But if a school see
a player and he's a quality player, let's say, let's
play along with WVU and and your Georgia Okay, okay,
and you know he is he is just a perfect
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fit for your school. You're gonna find out one way
or the other where there's a will. There's a way
you're gonna find out how much WVU is paying that player,
so that you can obtain him on your on your terms,
with more money.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Probably if if that's if that's my son.
Speaker 8 (44:25):
Yeah, and so WVU gave is going to give him
two million, two million dollars, yes, you know, And all
of a sudden here comes whoever, right, and they're saying,
we think we got a good deal, you know, and
we could really use yourself exactly, And.
Speaker 5 (44:48):
So that the outbidding thing. I mean, I understand the
intent of it, but is that possible even? I mean,
I think that's what's happening with March madness as we speak,
with all these players going in the portal. You don't
enter the portal unless you know where you're somebody's already
somebody's already talked to you. Yes, you're not just going
to enter the portal. Oh, let's see what happens here.
You you have intent, you know where you're going.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
I do think that there are some.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
I'll call them kids, who jump into portal with the
idea of let me see if I could get some bites.
Speaker 5 (45:17):
I think it's a small percentage at.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
A small percentage.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
But I think most of the players who are playing
on another team, who go into the.
Speaker 5 (45:25):
Portal and are starting, and.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
They're starting, there's a there's already been a conversation regardless
of whether or not you see.
Speaker 5 (45:33):
Give that money up. I mean, whatever you're getting paid,
if you're a starter at Saint John's or whatever basketball team,
you're not going to give up what you have. And
they go to the portal and go to the portal
unless you have a better deal.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
That you've got a better.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
So I don't know how. I mean, I understand that
you know, and maybe Hollis can verify that for me.
But I did read that online and I thought to myself,
I understand the intent of it, but is it possible.
I don't know if that's possible.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
I don't I don't know how you can. I don't
know how you can keep contracts like that quiet.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
I mean, where is it? Where is it that it's quiet? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (46:10):
And actually in the NFL it used to be quote quiet,
like you go in, you sign your contract and nobody
really is supposed to quote supposed to know. Well, within
within a couple of days, everybody knows what your contract is.
Speaker 5 (46:25):
Sure, how that happened.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
I didn't say anything.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
I didn't tell anybody, right, but now all of a sudden,
guys now think, oh, well he got fifty dollars, I deserve.
Speaker 5 (46:35):
One hundred, right right.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
There's just no to me, there's two roadways being able
to keep that private or quiet or whatever you want
to call it.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
There need to there needs to be more oversight of
this whole portal, of the of the nil contracts, all
the things. There has to be some rules. I think
there was a clip that maybe you shared in our group,
Carl about It was a sport commentator talking about maybe
a way to possibly remedy these situations with these players leaving,
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you know, from one school to another to another and
not staying is to make a contract two years long
rather than just one, because then they have to fulfill
at least the whole season and they can't just jump
ship and take the money with them.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
I think I think that's the only real way.
Speaker 4 (47:26):
There isn't like a Okay, all right, so you're you're
you're coming in as a freshman, I'm giving you.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
A million dollars.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
To to to to play basketball, right, Okay, Well you
do exactly what we thought you were going to do.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
But now after your first year, you're ready. You you
were so.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
Good, everybody's trying to trying to get you to come
to their place. Well, now I've got a bid for
you again. Yeah, and and and I'm lose. So to
your to the concept of you can't have a one
year deal, right, you gotta have you gotta have either
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a two.
Speaker 5 (48:10):
Year exactly at least at least.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
A two year deal and a max. So let's say
you really want to do the money, you got to
say you do a mix of three years, right, So
now in three years for you to leave your last
year makes no sense.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
Okay, But but depending on whether the team is.
Speaker 5 (48:29):
You I was gonna say it depends, but at.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
Least you get I get you for three years, right,
and guarantee I can lock you up for three years,
so I don't have to.
Speaker 5 (48:37):
Worry about it. And that's really gonna benefit these smaller scoes,
really will because what happens is when they get good
and they build a team and they develop players, immediately
those kids are snatched up by it. Like I said,
it's become a farm league. It's a farm league like baseball.
Speaker 4 (48:51):
And let me let me make that picture even clearer
for people. So you're gonna send your kid to me,
I'm going to pour everything into him or her trying.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
To get them to be the best player.
Speaker 5 (49:08):
They can be well rounded, well rounded.
Speaker 4 (49:11):
Student athlete, the picture perfect student athlete.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
Sure, so I get that accomplished. He or she's playing
playing well, clearly has a future.
Speaker 4 (49:25):
And all of a sudden, you come in and you say, well, coach,
thank you for everything that you've done. I be really
really appreciated. But I think what we're gonna do is
we're going to.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
Go to Florida. Yeah exactly, and we're gonna play for them.
Speaker 5 (49:39):
Or you have to pay the money back one or
the others. Either if you sign a long contract at
least two years with the school or wherever you're going
at least two years, or you give back your in
I own money or whatever it was your compensation.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
I'll even make the case.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
So let's say, let's say I give you I'll give
you a hundred thousand dollars as a as a freshman. It's
true freshman, one hundred thousand dollars, which you probably will
turn down.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
But I'm gonna give you a hundred.
Speaker 5 (50:08):
Buch of my mind. But yes, but one hundred.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
Thousand dollars, you play X number of games, right, will
add to that if you win.
Speaker 8 (50:19):
If you win, maybe you got for this incent in
base Yes, I like it.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
You know, because that's how the league used to be.
Speaker 5 (50:29):
If we're going that route, we might as well like
model after that route. Absolutely, contracts and all, so you
could even have a cap.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
You could get a hundred, you could get one hundred
thousand dollars could be your contract, and then you have
these incentives that you have.
Speaker 5 (50:42):
To reach right to get the rest of your money, to.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
Get the rest of your money. And if you don't
reach them.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
Yeah, now the one bad, the worst one, let's just
say for basketball.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Would be points point score.
Speaker 5 (50:56):
Oh well, you couldn't go because.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
Because now you get the challenge in the and that
is I'm going into the in the last week of
the game and I'm twenty five points short.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
I'm shooting until I get twenty.
Speaker 5 (51:09):
Yeah, you couldn't do it in basketball that way.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
I mean, but there's just there has to be something.
Speaker 5 (51:15):
Better than what we have.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
That's what we have, and I just I really don't
know what it is.
Speaker 5 (51:22):
And and I'll tell you, like I said earlier, this
was eye opening to me when I saw the available
you know, monies for student athletes. And this is just
in the state of West Virginia. When you see that
WU has twenty point five million compared to Marshall's one
point five, right, I mean, you think about that, and
you think about these large Ohio state Georgia, think about
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the money is available to them if WVU has I
mean I thought that was a large amount. Actually I
didn't expect that amount for WVU, so that was kind
of like eye opening for me. But then I think,
you know, WU is not on the same level some
of these you know, National champ big you know, the
the SEC. And I'm not saying they're not great. They are.
I mean, I love w I don't want people to
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take that the wrong way, and I love Marshall as well,
but I'm saying, you think about those teams that are
on a different level as far as Notre Dames, with
their with their alumni, with with with their fan base,
all of that, you know, just the sheer numbers that
these other people or these other teams have behind them.
It blows my mind to think how much, especially these
private schools that don't have to don't have to tip,
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they don't have to tell us.
Speaker 4 (52:30):
And again to your point, the difference in just the
difference in Marshall and WU speaks.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
Volumes of.
Speaker 4 (52:38):
What what's the difference between WU and Alabama?
Speaker 5 (52:42):
That's what I mean. Yeah, yeah, so that that that
is to me just you can't even imagine, you know,
And and I don't know. I don't know how you
regulate that like it's it doesn't I don't know how
you regulate the money. I mean, it'll never be unless
you regulate it. I l because like we said, the
Marshall remember the ninety nineties with the Marshall teams that
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we had back that those would never have existed. They
would have never They would have been destroyed within their
first year or two.
Speaker 3 (53:11):
Everybody would have been gone. They would have been gone.
Speaker 5 (53:14):
Chad Pennington, Randy Moss. There's no way.
Speaker 4 (53:18):
Randy Moss plays one year at Marshall and he's gone
to wherever.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
They are all sure team or the highest bidding team is.
Speaker 5 (53:27):
Why wouldn't Why wouldn't he all of them? Chad Pennington,
all of them? You think about all the great quarterbacks
that came through Marshall, They would they would have been
there one year, one and done one and done.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
And and you and you and you create a situation
to where now your history what you what your history
could have been?
Speaker 5 (53:47):
Yeah, it's now gone, right, And that's what that's what's
happening now.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
It is and I don't and it's getting.
Speaker 5 (53:54):
I don't want to say boring, but March Madness was
not as much fun this year as it was five
ten years ago because especially if your team didn't like
w didn't get invited, So that was kind of a downer. Anyway.
We knew Marshall didn't have a chance, but you know,
we really didn't have a home team to broot for.
So when you go into March Madness, you're kind of
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picking out this cinderellas, you know, like you want those
number sixteams and right for you know, just to give
them a shot to win, you know, and hopefully have
somebody to make it exciting. And that just didn't happen
this year.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
And it's and and and.
Speaker 4 (54:30):
Making the point it's it's not gonna be possible because
you're not even on those teams. They're not gonna be
that good player that's gonna stay around Now long enough.
Speaker 5 (54:43):
Even if they do, they're gone.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
They're gonna be gone.
Speaker 4 (54:45):
Yeah, you know, you're you're not gonna be able to
hold two or three players on age.
Speaker 5 (54:49):
And it's gonna happen the same in college football, car
it is. It's gonna be the same teams every year
competing for the national championship. It almost is now, it
almost is now. It's a rotation.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
Hold me to this.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
When we start getting into next season and you start
looking to who's gone where you know because of inn
I L.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
Right, what's gonna happen is.
Speaker 4 (55:16):
The teams that you thought going into the season was
going to be good, but they're not going to have
the players because those players are going to go wherever
the money is.
Speaker 5 (55:27):
Yes, that's that's the trend, it seems so we'll see that.
Speaker 4 (55:32):
Well, ladies and gentlemen, we clearly you know where we
stand when it comes to in I L and all
of that kind of stuff. It's just crazy. But we've
got to get out of here. We our time is up,
all right. We will look forward to seeing it again.
Thank you, see you later.
Speaker 5 (55:52):
See you later. Thanks guys.
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Speaker 3 (00:46):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen. This is Car Lee with Let's Talk.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
And I have my two co hosts in the building,
Hollis Lewis and Lisa Odie and miss Odie. Today she's
brought us a guest. Yeah, she's going to introduce and
we will go from there.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Absolutely. I'm so excited to have this guest on the
podcast tonight.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
He is a son of West Virginia and also a
son of Marshall, so we've got a double thing going there.
Just wanted to give a little background to this guest.
He is currently the offensive line coach at the University
of South Carolina. He has twenty nine years of experience
coaching both at the collegiate and pro levels. He served
(01:30):
as the assistant coach for the Thundering Herd in nineteen
ninety two when they won the one Double A national
championship Bad and not bad at all, and he also
played on Marshall's football team through the year's nineteen eighty
six and nineteen eighty nine and so, without further ado,
from Charleston, West Virginia, mister Greg Atkins, welcome, Greg.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Hey, how you guys doing it well?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
How you going?
Speaker 5 (01:55):
How did you like that introduction? Greg?
Speaker 6 (01:58):
It was really good. As soon as you came online.
There's uh, there's a fire truck driving by me. I
probably you put it on fire on fire introduction.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Hey, Greg, just just real quick, you probably have to
know Sterling Sharp. I'd have to think if you're if
you're down in South Carolina, have you met.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Well, I don't really, I don't.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
I wouldn't say I know him, But what I do
know is uh him as a golf course and he's uh.
I think he's a guy that absolutely loves to win
at golf.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Well, if by some chance you see him and you
walk up to him and say, hey, Carl Lee has
told you that I'm the reason he's playing golf as
good as he's playing it.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I introduced him to golf here in West Virginia.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
I believe. Don't believe that, Greg, It is not a
minute of it.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
He learned, played golf here and then went back to
South Carolina, took lessons and got better than all of us.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
Well, just one thing. The one thing I know about
Sirlin Sharp is he likes to win. And I don't
know how good his golf game actually is really good.
He usually wins.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
He's really good. But as a side note, well go.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Ahead, oh no, no, so, Greg, we were going to
have you just talk a little bit about some of
the successes you've experienced with the game Cocks so far
with your career.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
Well, I mean, certainly, I had an opportunity. I was
coaching at Marshall when Coach Bamer got this job at
South Carolina, and that was the transition between Doc and
Coach Hull, and I got the opportunity to come to
South Carolina with Coach Baemer and Coach Baemer was actually
(03:59):
a graduate assistant at South Carolina UH at Tennessee when
I was coaching at Tennessee. Uh So, so there was
a connection. And uh and of course I've known his
father for a number of years. His father actually recruited
me out of high school a little bit at Virginia Tech.
It was his first year at Virginia Tech. So so
there's a lot of connections and and ultimately we we
(04:23):
we've done a good job here at South Carolina.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
UH.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Coach Beemer obviously learned from his father, but he also
learned from another a number of other people that he's
worked for, Philip Falmer, Sylvester Chrome, she Spur. Uh So,
I mean, the guy's been around a lot of legendary,
legendary coaches, and he's well ahead of his time. I mean,
(04:48):
his birthday was yesterday. I won't say hell who he is,
but his birthday was yesterday, and I told him all
good people are born in March. And uh uh or
I guess today go now, I'm sorry, I forget it's
spring practice. There's a lot of a lot of stuff
going on, but uh, you know, we we've done a
good job. I mean, you know, it's all about a quarterback,
(05:11):
you know, and uh, it's all about the offensive defensive
line in this league and the Southeastern conferences. Uh is
a lot of scrimmage league, like a lot of places.
But if you don't have those kind of people on
the O lines and D lines, you you have no
chance in this league at all. And and we've done
(05:32):
a good job of of uh recruiting the line of scrimmage. Uh,
we actually have a quarterback that is phenomenal who is
just just any second year here and he played phenomenally
well for us last year. And uh, we're excited about
the future. Uh. We have done a great job. And
(05:54):
I'm sure we'll get into it. But the whole portal
situation is I'm going to.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Catch you off. That's what I wanted to ask you about.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
You've been in the game for a long time, You've
been coaching for a while now, so and I know
generally assistant coaches they they are tasked with recruiting not
only their their specific position, but also a region. So
how has recruiting changed for you given the transfer portal
in what it is today.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Well, I mean, we all still have an area that
we're responsible for, but at the end of the day,
there's a lot of position recruiting going on now. So
you have to be you know, you have to be
you know, you have to be good to recruit, you know,
not only high school players because listen, we'll talk about
(06:44):
the facts. I mean, at the end of the day,
this is a still a developmental SEC program.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
We're not gonna be.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
Able to get the elite of elites all the time.
But we've been able to attract several five star players
UH to come here, and a couple offense linemen, and
and a receiver and a defensive end that everybody's going
to know about which they most Dylan Stewart, who will be,
you know, whatever he wants to be, you know. And
(07:13):
so at the end of the day, we have a
great product to sell here. But we've done a really
good job of the developmental stage of players. We have
an outstanding weight room, we have an outstanding culture here,
and you know, we have been we have developed players
(07:33):
and we've supplemented it with the portal. We're still going
to recruit high school players. We signed we signed one
of the most high school players of anybody UH in
the SEC. Last year. We signed twenty four high school players.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Well, because that was one of that was one of
the questions that I was going to ask you was
because we've talked about high school kids are all of
a sudden sudden getting left out because of transfers and
things like that. But you guys are saying you're pretty
much focusing on the top high school players.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Am I hearing that? Is that what I'm here?
Speaker 4 (08:08):
You know?
Speaker 6 (08:09):
We we we are. I mean, it's all gonna start.
I mean, it's all starts at South Carolina with high
school recruiting, and there's a you know, obviously in the
state of South Carolina has produced a lot of number
of great players. And then our footprint with you know,
being a tasted to North Carolina really at tasted to Tennessee,
attached to Georgia and Florida, UH and Alabama to to
(08:32):
some extent, we're gonna we're gonna live in those states
and we're still going to try to get the best
players out of that state. And the other thing that
we have is we have this little influx of d
m V players because of coach Beemer's connections, our our
dB coach Tory and Gray, who played at Virginia Tech
(08:54):
who's who played in NFL for a number of years,
and then starting uh Serling Lucas our d n coach,
and then Lennie Teasley, who who's from Jersey and uh
So we have this influx of d m V kids
that have done a great job for us over you know,
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in our first four or five years here.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
That's amazing. Hey, Greg, So you've talked a little bit
about some of the influences and the different teams are
actually coaches and teams that you've worked with. Can you
tell us a little bit about your history with football,
how you got started in coaching, you know, what kind
of things motivated you to this sport and actually to
this position in general.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Well, that's a great question. A lot of people asked
that question, you know, like how did you get started
in coaching? And you know, I was a player at
Marshall from eighty six to eighty nine, and I was
a UH. I played, I played under George Shomp and
uh and then coach Chump left to become the head
(09:56):
coach at Navy, and I was kind of a part
of the I won't say the search committee, but I
was a part of the informal interviews with potential candidates
to replace George Trump. And there were two guys that
I got a chance to meet with, and that was
Jim donnon and that was a guy named Larry Blakeney.
(10:17):
And uh, and so I'm I'm just hanging out in
grad school after I finished playing and and and like
four or five days after Jim Donnay got the job,
he said, what are you doing? And you know, and
I was like, well, I don't know. I'm just I'm
in grad school. Uh, you know, I'm trying to I'm
(10:40):
going to do it in my life, you know. And
he said, why don't you come out and help us
out in spring practice and say if you want to
do this coaching thing. And I did and and so
so I did and and uh, you know, I won't
get into the details of how I ultimately, you know,
kept going because it was an unforeseen situation that happened
(11:03):
to somebody on defense that I actually my first year
in coaching, I coached the defensive line and me and
Brad Lambert actually coached the defensive line at Marshall in
nineteen ninety one. And then I moved back to offense
and then you know, coach coach down got the job
at Georgia. I was twenty five years old, and I
(11:26):
had no I had I had no idea what was
going on.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Like I was twenty five and I like, you know,
you had no idea what was happening in the world.
You know, you just like you have no idea at
twenty five years old, what like what's going on? And
and I'll never forget it. I was, I was at
my I'm sorry, my late wife grandmother's house and uh
(11:59):
and this is like, this is like the evolution of
cell phones, right, yeah, there's no there's no cell phones
in ninety four. You got a backbone maybe if you're lying.
And one of the things I always remember Jim donnad
I always said, was like like, hey, we're going to
have two weeks off. We lost in the National Championship game,
and he said, hey, everybody, uh, make sure you leave
(12:21):
a number, a couple of numbers where you might be
over the Christmas holidays and no, behold, on Christmas Day,
I get a call from Jim donnah and uh and
he said, hey, uh, where are you at? And I
was like, uh, well, I'm in Bell West, Virginia. Nice,
(12:42):
that's where that's where her grandmother lived. And uh. Between
Bell and I was just like all right, and he says,
how long before you get to Huntington And I was like, well,
I can be there whenever you need. This is Christmas
Day now and uh and uh. So I drove the
Huntings in West Virginia and I got a job at
the University of Georgia at twenty five years old.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
And so let me let me ask you this coach,
just as like I said, you, you coached a lot
of particularly with that Marshall team. I believe William King
and Mark Mason and a couple of local guys were there.
So let me ask you, like, with all your experience
and where you're at, now, what are you looking for?
Because you know, and I'm asking this question because I'm
a I'm a I'm a old quarterback and I love
(13:25):
nothing more than a good offensive line. So so what
what are we looking for in in a in a
an elite division one offensive lineman?
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Now, well, I mean, I think I think it goes
for every position. Truthfully, I think the world we live
in today in college football is a different world than
it was three years ago, and it'll be different two
years from now. I think you have to change with times.
I think you can't. You can't be so old school
(13:54):
like I like, I'm an old school guy. I'm gonna
coach your I'm gonna cut your yard. I promise you that.
But you also got to figure like, at the end
of the day, you really have to get to know
the player, and this player has to want to be coached,
because today the world is about nli and it's about
(14:16):
like what's cool and what shoes am I gonna wear?
And what uniform am I gonna wear? And all this
kind of stuff, and I could care less about all that. Truthfully,
all I want is guys who want to play football
and be tough, smart and dependable. And if they're tough,
(14:36):
smart and dependable, if their high school coach, and through
my investigation, if they can do all those kind of things,
then obviously they got to be able to play the game.
And if they can do that, then I'm really interested,
you know, And it's just a matter of how they're
gonna fit to our program here at South Carolina or
(14:57):
any other place I've really been. But the world today
is just like crazy, you know, in a number of
different ways. As we all know, but this whole thing's
hopefully gonna settle down here in the very in near future.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Do you think, coach and I'm gonna, we're gonna, We're
gonna let you go here. One one of my concerns,
you know, is when you start looking at players and
you're like, oh, man, I really like this player.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
But next thing, you know, you know, everybody's looking for
that in nil.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
How do you all approach the kid you know that
that you can't reach like that he's just putting a
number out there. And do people do parents understand and
do kids recruits understand that there could be actually a
limit that the school has, but everything.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
At the school might be perfect for you.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
Well, I think it's everybody's learning. I bet I learn
every day. I'm fifty, I'm fifty seven years old, and
I bet this is my thirty six years coaching, and
I learn every day about what's next, right, And I
think the people that are not learning about what's next
(16:11):
are the people that got to be in trouble. And
I think the people that are looking to the future
needs to also say, Okay, where are these gudrails? Where
are we going? Where is the revenue sharing where's the
NLI and all that. Listen. I'm all for players getting
paid like I love it. I wish I had it
(16:32):
when I was playing. I mean, I wish I'd got
my dad. When my dad gave me twenty dollars after
a game on Saturday, I was jacked up. What I'm saying,
I was jacked up, and my daddy gave me that
twenty dollars because I thought I made him proud, right,
you know. And at the end of the day, you know,
(16:55):
I think you've got to manage all that stuff. And
I'm not really involved than too much of that stuff.
What I am involved is is is just trying to
find the best players available and then and then and
and find and make sure they have the right characteristics
that we want, and then we go from there and
(17:16):
now they they you know, we have this whole other
entourage that can figure out all that other stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
I really don't have to figure that out, even though
there's you know, I'll be honest, if a player brings
that up very early when I'm getting to know a player,
then that that's kind of a turn off for me,
to be honest with you. But if if a player
is trying to figure out, how are you going to
get me better? What are you going to do for me?
(17:45):
How do you see me fitting in and and asking
from an academic standpoint, and all the things that we
used to talk about. If they're asking those types of
questions and the parents are, then I'm gonna be more
intrigued by that human. Now with that being said, it's
not like there's not money available for certain caliber type player,
(18:12):
you know. But luckily I don't have to deal with that.
Like my my job is not to deal with that.
My job is to coach and uh and recruit the
best players we can get at South Carolina. And you know,
it's it's it's a beautiful thing. It's a beautiful thing,
(18:33):
but it's but it's I think the people that can change,
and I think like the old school guys, to be
honest with you, like myself, like us, well we're all right,
like us, all of us that can change are the
people that are going to be really good because we
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were good when this wasn't wasn't an issue and uh,
and now when we're good in the past and we
don't really deal with that part of it we're still
gonna be good and we're gonna be great.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Actually, all right, well coach, we we're gonna have to
take a quick break here.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Man. We appreciate that information.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
And actually when when we when we come out of
this commercial, then I'm gonna also kind of touch back
a couple of things that you said I gotta throw
at these times.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
So we appreciate your time being here today. We really do.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Good luck with spring practice. Greg.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Thanks coach, all right, thank you. We're about a halfway through.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
All right, talk to you seeing. Thanks.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
All right, let me be before we before we run
off to a quick break. Hollis Lewis is gonna have
to leave us early, and so we're gonna we're gonna
give him a little bit of mic time.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
So again when we talk what I love about doing
this show is that we not only talk about current events,
we talk about the future of sports, we talk about
the past sports, and we also talk about all levels
and anything social issues concerning sports. So, you know, we
have a couple of bills in the West Virginia Legislator
that would be affecting sports here in West Virginia. So
(20:04):
the first one is a house built twenty five to
seventy six. And what that does is that codifies nil
you know, into West Virginia law. Again, not that it
was ever illegal, it's just that, you know, it's such
a new concept that most states didn't have it codified
in law. They would have like a policy and procedure
through like their landmark university such as ours as WVU,
(20:27):
and normally everybody else would follow that. So you know,
early on a couple of states like Virginia and Florida,
they had codified it. So West Virginia we caught up
when they actually codified in IL. Just to tell you
what it is and what it's not, different things of
that nature, it's really simple bill. Now along with that,
which we can have some discussion on, is House Built
twenty five ninety five, and basically what that does is
(20:48):
that codifies NIL collectives. Now, previously nil collectives they were
sort of a third party. They were associated with the school,
but not really. And now with sort of the revenue
sharing model that that most schools and most states are following,
n I L excuse me, NIL collectives are directly tied
(21:11):
to the school. So not only can they you know,
raise money, generate revenue for the school far as you know,
paying some of the athletes through the ni L, but
they can also have kind of property share agreements and
and and you know not only the physical property, maybe
some IP properties. So they're directly tied where those student
athletes are getting paid through the through the school, through
(21:33):
the NIL collective, so basically through the school.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
So so let me ask you this Hall. So this
did not exist before when these when these non profit
entities were in play, there there were non profit unities
to do the money right, but they weren't associated with, not.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Directly speciated with the school. So like like I said,
they were a third party. Although you had like somebody
like Georgia Tech. They had their collective and they had
sort of a grayish area where they would kind of
tie to the school but not but for most part
they were These collectors were formed of independent boosters who
didn't like you know, these these school Now what was
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going through the school is just like I said, the
NIL agreement. So again as I mentioned earlier twenty five
seventy six that were quodify as in IL the contracts
and the school would say, you know, you can do this,
you can represent these brands like for example, athletes, they
can't represent like tobacco and alcohol.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
And gaming, different things to that nature.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
So they was sort of, like I said, set the policy,
but the third parties would actually do the pain. So
I think maybe what this has the ability to do,
it can sort of hone in some of the things,
make more uniform rules across maybe the nation, and you know,
set maybe some parameters on exactly you know, pay scales
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and different things of that nature. So that almost the
way I look at it, it's almost working like you know,
sort of like a almost like a GM sort of
if that makes sense, because not only can they you know,
pay the players, but they can also help with different things,
like I said, licensing and contract agreements, some educational stuff
and different things of that. And you're talking when you're starting,
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when you start talking about you're talking about like contract
deals with Nike or something like that. So instead of
me dealing with that kind of on my own and
quote I don't have an agent, Yeah, that can be
managed through the school essentially. Yes, So like like exactly
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so branding deals, maybe even some ips. So if I'm like,
you know, remember Johnny Manziel with the money sign and
cool nicknames a lot of a lot of kids. They'll
do now, they'll license those names and copyright those images.
So these n IL collectors we may probably be able
to assist with some of those things. So it basically
it's keeping things in house. Now again, you know, if
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that's a good thing, is that a bad thing? It
can depend.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
My my question to it.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
I think it's great. I think you know to have
the school so you don't get tricked. You know, you
have someone there at the school that's gonna assist you
with this process. What makes what's strange to me is
if I get that, why would I leave? You know,
I don't mean to bring up another subject, but you
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know what I'm saying, like, if this school's gonna do
this for me, and not saying that every school won't
do it, you know, and you're giving me an io
money and you're helping me get it set up and
to where I know I'm gonna get it, that's gonna
be structured and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Why would I leave?
Speaker 4 (24:38):
I think the thing that gives me pause is that,
for example, again it becomes much simpler, well not even so,
like let's say, let's say you get a Nike deal.
Let's say that and you are a sophomore in college
basketball football player. You get a Nike deal. The Nike
deal is structured and the collectors helps set that up. Now,
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what happens when you go pro? If do do they
continue to get a piece of that contract? What happens
if you are a creative college student and you set
up some sort of IP you got some cool I'm
Johnny Cash and you start selling T shirts out of
your own you know, you you made your own brand
and your image, and the collective's help set that up.
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As that grows and continuing you have a professional career.
Do they maintain some sort of IP.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Rights with that?
Speaker 4 (25:29):
So I think it's a good thing, but I think
it could get tricky as we go down the line. Well,
especially when you start talking about the top player. Let's
say you're the top player on the team and I
got I'm working with you. Well, you're gonna be a
first round pick. I ain't letting you go. You know
what I'm saying, I want to keep that because now
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I'm am I your agent or am I just that guy?
That's what I'm saying, and that's what I'm saying the
length of the contract. So I would be it's gonna
be interesting to see how these are going to be implemented.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Man, Yeah, well, I was just gonna ask you. Is
another reason that this this House bill was passed was
it kind of protects the schools from like the NC
double A, from stepping in like if there's any it
blocks them from changing things, like it kind of guarantees
that this is this is the way it has to
be because it's in law.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Rather than the end hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Like I said, this state law, like I said, and
like I said, each state is doing it differently, So
it does give some protection to the schools.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Like I said, far.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
As proceeds the NC double A.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
I don't I'm not, I'm I'm I don't want to
say that. But even within the bill itself, it did
give some protections to from from the conferences in school
from coming down because again, everybody, unfortunately when it comes
in n I L everybody's kind of doing it a
little different from state to state. There's no uniform policy,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
I just wanted to say something that's related to this
really quick, guys, But I was reading through the article
about this bill, and it was kind of layman terms,
not not not so much of the the legal jargon,
but basically it was talking about the money is available
at this time, right now for the schools. And from
what I read, and this was from a reputable news source,
that WU has twenty point five million available to share
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with their student athletes through this new entity, Marshall has
one point five million.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, so it's going to be it's like, and I
think that's.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Been so the disparity.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, and we've we've seen that through like even like
the NCAA and March madness ain't really been much madness.
That's one and two, right, And another interesting thing we'll
move on. But another interesting thing about the collectives is
not only do they you know, help form contracts with
different things in that nxture for the student athletes, but
there can be property move between you know, the collective
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and the school. So it could be a situation in
which maybe that collective could have naming rights over the stadium,
or they could buy and sell land that's you know,
that the school has. And so that's what I'm saying.
It's not a clear cut.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
You're making me feel a little a little one comfortable
with it.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
So I think it's gonna be one of them things
that's gonna have to be. We're gonna have to see
it in action, and then as the years going, it's
gonna be it's gonna need to be probably tightened up.
You can guarantee that somebody's gonna do something wrong.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's the nature of it.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
That you know, somebody's gonna get greedy, somebody's gonna show
up and be like, you know, oh, this took place
behind behind closed doors.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah, there's just no way.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
That with that kind of money out there available. Man,
I just don't see how that stays clean and a
good thing is.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Just and it's kind of independent.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
When you talked about the disparity disparity between Marshall and WVU,
the good thing about it is that collective will be
tasked with raising that money up, so they would try
to one of the probably the primary things to do
is try to raise that difference from one point five up. Yes, Now,
what bill I really like is of House Bill twenty four.
And again, just for the view for anybody listening, these
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are all current. All these haven't necessarily passed, they haven't
gone to the governor's signed these or things that's been
introduced in some passing the House. It's house built twenty
four to ninety one, which allows online raffles to college
is So, for example, if you go into a college
sporting event or prior high school for that matter, there's
fifty to fifty fifty fifty tickets, right. So what this
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would do is that it would end the goo fencing.
So basically you could sell these fifty to fifty tickets
online so you wouldn't necessarily have a fifty a physical raffle,
and you could sell them to anybody across the country.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
So for example, if.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
You're at a WUVU game, you could sell a fifty
to fifty raffle tickets to not only everybody in the stands,
but anybody perceivably probably in the United States. So what
I like about this is that you like Yeah, what
you like about it is that you smaller schools. So
if you had like a state, and I think it
could do two things. Number One, it can raise revenue
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again because you're not limited to the people that are
in the audience. And number two, it might raise viewership
because even like it's like a West Virginia State University,
where we're having our games broadcasting on like a website.
On our website, you may be encouraged to watch the
game in order to see if you won the fifty
to fifty raffle. So I think I think it could
be a net positive, particularly where we're at with with
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n I l okay. So I don't, I don't. This
is not quote gambling, right, this is not like that.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I mean, I guess, but cut the raffle.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
But what what what kills me is the whole the
whole gambling thing, you know, and and NFL and NBA
and all that kind of stuff. How players, Oh my gosh,
you there's no way you can gamble because there could
be a chance that you're gambling. You may be betting
against your team or whatever whatever whatever. So we need
to keep gambling out of sport.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Really.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Now we got now we've got the major commercials at
sporting of scambling. And now and we're gonna we're gonna
we're gonna try to do in college. We're gonna try
to take a step down from actually gambling and and
and let's call it fifty to fifty or you know,
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all this kind of stuff so that we can make money.
I mean, but to you at least's point, Lisa pointed
out why this is important to school like Marshall, where
you got one point five in your collective versus w
VU where you got twenty.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
You need so so so if I'm a player.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
And I and I and I'm out there and I'm
doing this, I'm I'm putting my money in it, and
I can't pay. No, no, no, this is for this is
a this is a fit. It's just like it's damed
a game. Yeah it's not to outside the game, but.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I can't but I can't. I can't put my money
like I think you probably would be prohibited from doing that.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
I'm gonna say that.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
But why why It's just like if you work at
the lottery, you can't play the lottery.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
I mean, I understand what what what Hollis is saying
about a way it's another way to raise the revenues
for these smaller schools and well even for the bigger
schools for that matter. I don't know what it is
about it, and maybe it's because I'm old school, but
the fifty to fifty raffle with the paper tickets at
the ball game seems innocent to me. Going online and
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selling it nationwide takes it to a whole different level.
And I don't know why. I feel like there's just
so many things that could crash and burn with that.
I don't know. I feel like that there's things that
could it could get dirty. Does that Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I don't think so. Because you're selling to your family
is my issue is.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
But you're saying, like you said, yeah, to your family,
but it could be.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
At fad fan base.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Yeah, so it could go outside of the family.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I mean that's true. But normally, like I said, if
you if it's like why stay clean? Like why would
this state? I mean, but why would he get dirty?
It's a fifty fifty?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Why would he get dirty? It's a fifty fifty when
we ever heard of a problem.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
I just think you can manipulate it more, make fifty.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
You can make it when making a simple thing, or
you could actually say okay, it's kind of like I
envisiited like this, all right, so we're we're gonna sell
you the virtual tickets online, so and then you can
actually steal you can make it a spectacle, right because
you can sell these virtual tickets online, put them in
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a huge bucket, and then at the halftime you can
actually pull out the physical the ticket and you can
actually announce it during the game. So I can now
sit and then go on lines and I can call
out who won. So it could be a big spectacle,
and I'm selling it to the fan base that are there.
So if it's a pit WVU, those are the fans
that's gonna be watching that game.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
And to your point, the protein, like we we went
to a spring training game down in when we were
in clear Water, and they actually had something similar to
what you're saying, Like it wasn't the tip paper tickets
like I'm thinking about fifty to fifty you know in
high school games. It was actually they had like a
machine that could take a credit card or cash and
then they printed out all these tickets and then you
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didn't have to be present to win. You could go
on a website and check your number. Not quite you know,
the video production that you're saying, it could could happen,
but it's already here.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I think it would be a good thing.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
And we'll go over house built twenty four excuse me,
twenty twenty seven to seventy four. That basic creates an
increases penalties if somebody attacks a culture official. So I
think that's a good thing. Twenty House Built twenty three
fifty five. This bill would have Again, this bill got
soundly defeated. So this is not going into law. This
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is dead, this is DA This is not a bill
that we'll see. This would have allowed high school and
middle schools to play not only during the end season sport,
but they would have been allowed to play travel at
the same time. This was a horrible bill, horrible nobody
liked it. Like I said, it got soundly pitted the
pasture where it should have been because it was dramatically problematic.
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All right, I'm going to break it. I'm going to
bring that up based off of football. You'll be gone,
but me and Lisa we'll touch on that on football. Ladies, gentlemen,
we're gonna take a quick break and we will be
right back.
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Speaker 4 (36:10):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we have lost our one
of our co hosts, Hollis Lewis.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
We were in a fight anyway, when we were leaving.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Mike dropped in the last.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
He made his point, got to get out of the way.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
So all right, so so let's let's we're gonna kind
of change the direction a little bit. You know, we
we talked and again let's go to n Aisle and
let's let's talk the effect and impact that it has
on let's say basketball and collegiate basketball. Yes, in most cases,
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every year, huge upsets, right, everybody like gets excited because
there's these upsets.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
Sure not this year?
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Not this year?
Speaker 5 (37:02):
You plan basketball.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Ones and twos.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Are basically in the semis right.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Now, I'm going to make the case.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Now I could be dead wrong here, Nil, it is
all part of that. I think those particular teams could
very well be the strongest teams based off of their
nil or let's just say, the most skilled players that
any teams could actually feel like, what, what do you
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think that?
Speaker 5 (37:36):
Well, I mean, I would not disagree with that statement.
I mean, obviously, what happened this year during March Madness
was far from madness. We had no cinderellas. It was
you know, pretty much the teams that were supposed to
win won their games, and usually by quite a margin.
It wasn't a lot of close games. Now at the beginning,
I think there was maybe one or two and I
can't think of the names of the teams. It escapes me.
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But there was maybe one that made it pass that
first round, but then the second game it wasn't even close.
So what you're saying with the nil and the and
the portal, I mean that that that is is just it.
It's tamed March Madness, so to speak. I think what's
happened is when you do get a Cinderella team like
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you're I think the Florida Golf Coast, you know that
was one that years ago you had a had a
really great deep run as a Cinderella in the March Madness.
You've had teams like James Madison University. I'm just throwing
names that from the past. You know, probably what's happened
to those teams. They build a great team that could
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that can compete with these blue bloods and these schools
that are typically you know, household names Duke, North Carolina,
and and they they those teams come in and and
they take those quality players, those players that that that
have been developed by that smaller school, and they end
up going to the bigger schools and building dynasties.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
And I think there was like a.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Like maybe like a two or three hundred number of
actual NIL players that have gone somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Sure, Just I mean, like now right, like to me.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
What is the stability of collegiate sports?
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Like, like, I.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Mean, are we can you get a team and say,
oh I love this team. I you know all the
way down to the sixth man, I you know, I
love this team.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
This team is solid.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
You have one season, right to enjoy that group, right,
and as soon as that season gets remotely close to
being over, three or four of those guys are going to.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
Be gone, right sure, because they're gonna go where there's
more money.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
They're gonna go where there's more money.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
And name, you know the name of this and you know, do.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
You think the name? Do you think the name matters
or does the money matter?
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Well?
Speaker 5 (40:04):
I think I think it's a combination, Carl, because I
mean they want a chance. I mean, if you're at
a smaller school, what are the odds that you're going
to make it in March Madness and make a deep run.
Whereas if you're at one of those schools, why do
not have a double bonus? Why not get the money
and have a chance to make a run in March
Madness in the national championship? To me, and they kind
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of go hand in hand.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Anyway, here's what's interesting to me, and everything that you
said is one correct. I'm sitting here and I'm thinking
in my mind as you ask a question and answering it, right, Like,
I'm thinking to myself, well, what am I thinking about?
What would I be thinking about? I'm thinking about trying
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to get the Sunday right, I'm trying to play on Sunday.
I didn't have the access to the money.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
My access to.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
The money was being able to get to Right. We're
we're paying kids now.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Who they don't eat. So how do I motivate them
to get to the NBA? You know what I'm saying.
When you can make life.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Changing money at the collegiate level, at the collegiate level,
right and do nothing after.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
That, right, I mean like that could that could become
a problem for professional sports in the long run. I
mean I truly believe that because you think about it.
I mean, if they can make that kind of, like
you said, life changing money in their youth and they've
got that money and they really you know, if they
if they have risk for injury in the NFL, I
mean other than the NOTORIETI I think a player would
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want to make it to the professional level for the notariate,
but possibly in the future, it won't be for the money.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
And I'm going to make the case to to that point.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
There's going to be a ton of players who will
make a bunch of money at the collegiate level, right
and not play.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
It exactly, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Other than that they don't have to. They won't have to,
nor will they maybe even be good enough.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
Right, they won't have to, yep, or you're right, it
won't matter. They'll have that money and they won't have
that motivation.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
How is that okay?
Speaker 6 (42:13):
Like?
Speaker 1 (42:13):
How is that?
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Like? How are we just okay with that?
Speaker 4 (42:18):
I get a parent, I get a parent from a
from a talented high school kid who's getting ready to
go to college, and there's a bunch of people talking
about a bunch.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Of money for him or her. I'm behind you, because, hey,
the future, what the future? Right?
Speaker 4 (42:40):
But on the on on, on my on my professional
athlete side, I look at it, and I'm thinking, you mean,
if if I go back, if I could have gone
back to Marshall and been one of the better players
on our teams that were not very.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Good, how much Nio money could I have made, and.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
Maybe now I don't have all the aches and pains.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
That come along when with the professional football league. I
get it. Yeah, well, you know, I totally agree with
everything you're saying too, Carl. But something I saw and
I wish Hollis was still here, and I wanted to
bring it up, but I know he had to go
in that house spill twenty five seventy six. Something that
caught my eye. It has to do with NI our
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discussion was allowing schools to keep nil deals private. This
was part of the verbiage of this bill in West Virginia,
and it also prevents other schools. What kind of the
intent of it is to prevent other schools from outbidding
for players. Now, I understand the intent of that. I
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understand trying to keep it private, but can you really
keep it private? I mean other than maybe not release
it immediately to the media. But if a school see
a player and he's a quality player, let's say, let's
play along with WVU and and your Georgia Okay, okay,
and you know he is he is just a perfect
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fit for your school. You're gonna find out one way
or the other where there's a will. There's a way
you're gonna find out how much WVU is paying that player,
so that you can obtain him on your on your terms,
with more money.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Probably if if that's if that's my son.
Speaker 8 (44:25):
Yeah, and so WVU gave is going to give him
two million, two million dollars, yes, you know, And all
of a sudden here comes whoever, right, and they're saying,
we think we got a good deal, you know, and
we could really use yourself exactly, And.
Speaker 5 (44:48):
So that the outbidding thing. I mean, I understand the
intent of it, but is that possible even? I mean,
I think that's what's happening with March madness as we speak,
with all these players going in the portal. You don't
enter the portal unless you know where you're somebody's already
somebody's already talked to you. Yes, you're not just going
to enter the portal. Oh, let's see what happens here.
You you have intent, you know where you're going.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
I do think that there are some.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
I'll call them kids, who jump into portal with the
idea of let me see if I could get some bites.
Speaker 5 (45:17):
I think it's a small percentage at.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
A small percentage.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
But I think most of the players who are playing
on another team, who go into the.
Speaker 5 (45:25):
Portal and are starting, and.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
They're starting, there's a there's already been a conversation regardless
of whether or not you see.
Speaker 5 (45:33):
Give that money up. I mean, whatever you're getting paid,
if you're a starter at Saint John's or whatever basketball team,
you're not going to give up what you have. And
they go to the portal and go to the portal
unless you have a better deal.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
That you've got a better.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
So I don't know how. I mean, I understand that
you know, and maybe Hollis can verify that for me.
But I did read that online and I thought to myself,
I understand the intent of it, but is it possible.
I don't know if that's possible.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
I don't I don't know how you can. I don't
know how you can keep contracts like that quiet.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
I mean, where is it? Where is it that it's quiet? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (46:10):
And actually in the NFL it used to be quote quiet,
like you go in, you sign your contract and nobody
really is supposed to quote supposed to know. Well, within
within a couple of days, everybody knows what your contract is.
Speaker 5 (46:25):
Sure, how that happened.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
I didn't say anything.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
I didn't tell anybody, right, but now all of a sudden,
guys now think, oh, well he got fifty dollars, I deserve.
Speaker 5 (46:35):
One hundred, right right.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
There's just no to me, there's two roadways being able
to keep that private or quiet or whatever you want
to call it.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
There need to there needs to be more oversight of
this whole portal, of the of the nil contracts, all
the things. There has to be some rules. I think
there was a clip that maybe you shared in our group,
Carl about It was a sport commentator talking about maybe
a way to possibly remedy these situations with these players leaving,
(47:08):
you know, from one school to another to another and
not staying is to make a contract two years long
rather than just one, because then they have to fulfill
at least the whole season and they can't just jump
ship and take the money with them.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
I think I think that's the only real way.
Speaker 4 (47:26):
There isn't like a Okay, all right, so you're you're
you're coming in as a freshman, I'm giving you.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
A million dollars.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
To to to to play basketball, right, Okay, Well you
do exactly what we thought you were going to do.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
But now after your first year, you're ready. You you
were so.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
Good, everybody's trying to trying to get you to come
to their place. Well, now I've got a bid for
you again. Yeah, and and and I'm lose. So to
your to the concept of you can't have a one
year deal, right, you gotta have you gotta have either
(48:10):
a two.
Speaker 5 (48:10):
Year exactly at least at least.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
A two year deal and a max. So let's say
you really want to do the money, you got to
say you do a mix of three years, right, So
now in three years for you to leave your last
year makes no sense.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
Okay, But but depending on whether the team is.
Speaker 5 (48:29):
You I was gonna say it depends, but at.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
Least you get I get you for three years, right,
and guarantee I can lock you up for three years,
so I don't have to.
Speaker 5 (48:37):
Worry about it. And that's really gonna benefit these smaller scoes,
really will because what happens is when they get good
and they build a team and they develop players, immediately
those kids are snatched up by it. Like I said,
it's become a farm league. It's a farm league like baseball.
Speaker 4 (48:51):
And let me let me make that picture even clearer
for people. So you're gonna send your kid to me,
I'm going to pour everything into him or her trying.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
To get them to be the best player.
Speaker 5 (49:08):
They can be well rounded, well rounded.
Speaker 4 (49:11):
Student athlete, the picture perfect student athlete.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
Sure, so I get that accomplished. He or she's playing
playing well, clearly has a future.
Speaker 4 (49:25):
And all of a sudden, you come in and you say, well, coach,
thank you for everything that you've done. I be really
really appreciated. But I think what we're gonna do is
we're going to.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
Go to Florida. Yeah exactly, and we're gonna play for them.
Speaker 5 (49:39):
Or you have to pay the money back one or
the others. Either if you sign a long contract at
least two years with the school or wherever you're going
at least two years, or you give back your in
I own money or whatever it was your compensation.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
I'll even make the case.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
So let's say, let's say I give you I'll give
you a hundred thousand dollars as a as a freshman. It's
true freshman, one hundred thousand dollars, which you probably will
turn down.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
But I'm gonna give you a hundred.
Speaker 5 (50:08):
Buch of my mind. But yes, but one hundred.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
Thousand dollars, you play X number of games, right, will
add to that if you win.
Speaker 8 (50:19):
If you win, maybe you got for this incent in
base Yes, I like it.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
You know, because that's how the league used to be.
Speaker 5 (50:29):
If we're going that route, we might as well like
model after that route. Absolutely, contracts and all, so you
could even have a cap.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
You could get a hundred, you could get one hundred
thousand dollars could be your contract, and then you have
these incentives that you have.
Speaker 5 (50:42):
To reach right to get the rest of your money, to.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
Get the rest of your money. And if you don't
reach them.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
Yeah, now the one bad, the worst one, let's just
say for basketball.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Would be points point score.
Speaker 5 (50:56):
Oh well, you couldn't go because.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
Because now you get the challenge in the and that
is I'm going into the in the last week of
the game and I'm twenty five points short.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
I'm shooting until I get twenty.
Speaker 5 (51:09):
Yeah, you couldn't do it in basketball that way.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
I mean, but there's just there has to be something.
Speaker 5 (51:15):
Better than what we have.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
That's what we have, and I just I really don't
know what it is.
Speaker 5 (51:22):
And and I'll tell you, like I said earlier, this
was eye opening to me when I saw the available
you know, monies for student athletes. And this is just
in the state of West Virginia. When you see that
WU has twenty point five million compared to Marshall's one
point five, right, I mean, you think about that, and
you think about these large Ohio state Georgia, think about
(51:46):
the money is available to them if WVU has I
mean I thought that was a large amount. Actually I
didn't expect that amount for WVU, so that was kind
of like eye opening for me. But then I think,
you know, WU is not on the same level some
of these you know, National champ big you know, the
the SEC. And I'm not saying they're not great. They are.
I mean, I love w I don't want people to
(52:07):
take that the wrong way, and I love Marshall as well,
but I'm saying, you think about those teams that are
on a different level as far as Notre Dames, with
their with their alumni, with with with their fan base,
all of that, you know, just the sheer numbers that
these other people or these other teams have behind them.
It blows my mind to think how much, especially these
private schools that don't have to don't have to tip,
(52:28):
they don't have to tell us.
Speaker 4 (52:30):
And again to your point, the difference in just the
difference in Marshall and WU speaks.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
Volumes of.
Speaker 4 (52:38):
What what's the difference between WU and Alabama?
Speaker 5 (52:42):
That's what I mean. Yeah, yeah, so that that that
is to me just you can't even imagine, you know,
And and I don't know. I don't know how you
regulate that like it's it doesn't I don't know how
you regulate the money. I mean, it'll never be unless
you regulate it. I l because like we said, the
Marshall remember the ninety nineties with the Marshall teams that
(53:04):
we had back that those would never have existed. They
would have never They would have been destroyed within their
first year or two.
Speaker 3 (53:11):
Everybody would have been gone. They would have been gone.
Speaker 5 (53:14):
Chad Pennington, Randy Moss. There's no way.
Speaker 4 (53:18):
Randy Moss plays one year at Marshall and he's gone
to wherever.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
They are all sure team or the highest bidding team is.
Speaker 5 (53:27):
Why wouldn't Why wouldn't he all of them? Chad Pennington,
all of them? You think about all the great quarterbacks
that came through Marshall, They would they would have been
there one year, one and done one and done.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
And and you and you and you create a situation
to where now your history what you what your history
could have been?
Speaker 5 (53:47):
Yeah, it's now gone, right, And that's what that's what's
happening now.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
It is and I don't and it's getting.
Speaker 5 (53:54):
I don't want to say boring, but March Madness was
not as much fun this year as it was five
ten years ago because especially if your team didn't like
w didn't get invited, So that was kind of a downer. Anyway.
We knew Marshall didn't have a chance, but you know,
we really didn't have a home team to broot for.
So when you go into March Madness, you're kind of
(54:15):
picking out this cinderellas, you know, like you want those
number sixteams and right for you know, just to give
them a shot to win, you know, and hopefully have
somebody to make it exciting. And that just didn't happen
this year.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
And it's and and and.
Speaker 4 (54:30):
Making the point it's it's not gonna be possible because
you're not even on those teams. They're not gonna be
that good player that's gonna stay around Now long enough.
Speaker 5 (54:43):
Even if they do, they're gone.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
They're gonna be gone.
Speaker 4 (54:45):
Yeah, you know, you're you're not gonna be able to
hold two or three players on age.
Speaker 5 (54:49):
And it's gonna happen the same in college football, car
it is. It's gonna be the same teams every year
competing for the national championship. It almost is now, it
almost is now. It's a rotation.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
Hold me to this.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
When we start getting into next season and you start
looking to who's gone where you know because of inn
I L.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
Right, what's gonna happen is.
Speaker 4 (55:16):
The teams that you thought going into the season was
going to be good, but they're not going to have
the players because those players are going to go wherever
the money is.
Speaker 5 (55:27):
Yes, that's that's the trend, it seems so we'll see that.
Speaker 4 (55:32):
Well, ladies and gentlemen, we clearly you know where we
stand when it comes to in I L and all
of that kind of stuff. It's just crazy. But we've
got to get out of here. We our time is up,
all right. We will look forward to seeing it again.
Thank you, see you later.
Speaker 5 (55:52):
See you later. Thanks guys.
Speaker 2 (55:55):
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If you fall, doesn't all for get back up for
your feet.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
Anything could be a win.
Speaker 1 (56:27):
Yup, even the feet that say shug a bath for
you wise very sweet.
Speaker 3 (56:31):
Couldn't play with big kids.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
I had to sit in the street and watch from
a distance.
Speaker 3 (56:35):
But over time I grew.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
If I put in the work, in no time, I'm
doing everything that I worked and prayed.
Speaker 3 (56:41):
I'm okay.
Speaker 1 (56:42):
If you ask me how did I do it, I'm
gonna say. You gotta work, ry shine, just mine gotta show.
Everybody is my time.
Speaker 7 (56:49):
He ain't here.
Speaker 3 (56:50):
You gotta work, cry shine. Never mind who.
Speaker 1 (56:53):
Talk of die this day line, don't talk.
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You gotta work. You gotta work.
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You gotta work, You gotta work, you gotta work.
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