S4E1 Black Cat Report | Murder, Mystery and the Paranormal

Life Beyond Six Feet is back from the dead!!! In this season 4 premier Damion brings the show back to the airwaves after a nearly year long hiatus!!  In this highly anticipated return LBSF welcomes back some friends of the show as Gil and Joey from the Black Cat Report are back for round 2!!!  Listen as they talk about reaching 100 episodes, why they continued the show after 2 former hosts left.  Indulge as they chat about serial killer Joachim Kroll and also their favorite haunted episode and more!!!! This is Life Beyond Six Feet!!!

Episode Transcript

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Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to LifeBeyond six feets. The weight is over.
I am back from the dead thisseason. I'll be bringing back some
past guests and I plan on havingsome new guests. Our very first guest
is from season number one, episodeeleven, Gil and Joey from The Black

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Cat Report. Guys, Welcome toLife Beyond six feet. Thank you man,
Thank you so much for having us. We were super stoked, not
only just to be here, whichis an honor, but also like South
that you're coming back. Man.We're both huge fans of your show.
It's like awkward because we're all,like, you know, friends off air,

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but I'm also like a fanboy whenit comes to your show. You're
definitely fanboying over here. And Ididn't know thank you for having us.
I didn't know that we were thefirst guests that you're having back. So
heck, yeah, thank you somuch. We're sureery excited for this,
absolutely, and like I said,I appreciate you know you guys welcome me
back. And what we've been doing, you know, over the last few

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months, which we will dive intoin a little bit, that's actually what's
got the excitement back. For meand wanting to start the show back up.
So that's partially you know, becauseof you guys and Kristen. So
so thank you guys for bringing thatback to me. So of course it
only took about six months of usconstantly coke seeing you and you're just kind
of poking the bear. But heyman, the best success comes slow,

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right, and you know we gotyou there, right sure. So,
like I mentioned, you guys weremy eleventh episode and back then, which
was kind of almost two years ago. Now I think it was a four
person show for a black Cap Report. Now you guys are just a two
man show. Yeah, so howdid it? How did all that go

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down? Like I don't want toget I don't want to like stir the
pot, but how did it becomejust the two guys? Let's go there?
Let's fun to go there? Yeah, so fun. Fact when you
do a podcast and two of thehosts on the podcast are, you know,
in some form of relationship with theother two hosts on the podcast,

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eventually did Sometimes occasionally people separate andthen it's really awkward to do a podcast
with them with the other folks,especially like you know, we we do
a weekly show so you know,frankly, whatever the fuck's going on in
our life every single week, andyou know, in the not that we

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were sitting over there like throwing shitat each other behind the scenes or anything.
But like, for sure, youknow, relationships and shit's awkward.
You need time to kind of getover it and you know, maybe become
friends again and YadA YadA. Lifegoes on. But when you're kind of
seeing that person every single week andspending hours with them and you're you know,
supposed to have the conversational styles oflike a podcast with that in the

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background, it's awkward and you know, people's lives go on. So that's
just part of doing a weekly show, to be honest. So yeah,
it happens, making you know,adding into that. It's like sometimes also
the subject matter can be really darkbecause we were getting you know, a
part of it. We're getting intosome Richard Ramirez stuff and that is like

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awful and a lot of ghost stuff, a lot of haunting stuff as well.
Is you know, it gets kindof dark in some ways, and
so sometimes people don't you know,don't need need need that out of their
lives in some ways, you know. And so you know, me and
Gil kind of I don't want tosay won the custody battle in any way
in a joke joking ways, butI'd say we just like we're the two

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that you know, wanted to continuedoing it, and you know, we
do it weekly and we struggle andwe love and we put so much effort
into this that we just kept going. We're like, heck, yeah,
let's keep going. We love doingthis and a weekly thing is just part
of our lives now, which iskind of nice, right Yeah, and

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kind of like mixing, mixing withthat too, you know, to kind
of piggyback on that part of ittoo. Yeah, Joe, one hundred
percent right. I had actually thejust blink on that. But you know,
you and I kind of had ahigher tolerance level for some of the
darker aspects of things that we've covered, because we go real fucking dark sometimes

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with the topics that were covering thestories behind them, the cases, and
you know, I can I cantell you for certain there's been a handful
of episodes we're doing the research forit, you know, for long periods
of time afterwards, I would seeimagery that I didn't want to see when
I was researching but I came acrossthat, you know, every time I

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blinked, I'd see it. Like, some of that shit gets real dark
and it sticks with you, andyou know, it's a it's a it's
a Highlander scenario. There can beonly two in this case. One.
No, Yeah, I like toI like to say about that too,
you know, talking about how howdark it gets through this. You know,

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you do see horrible stuff sometimes,and we we go through sometimes serieses
of episode or series of topics whereit's just dark, and sometimes me and
Gill are just like, you knowwhat, we just need a light,
cryptid, funny episode, something lightand easy that we can go into that
we can kind of take a breathof fresh air and kind of like look

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up and be like, oh,the world isn't so bad. It's kind
of nice outside, you know.Right. Well, I think it is
pretty pretty rad that you guys didn'tlet your personal lives completely affect the show.
You know, you're like, Okay, well you guys are no longer
with us, but we're going tocontinue to show with them without you.
So I think that's that says alot about you guys in general, that

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you're this dedicated to something that youcontinued it, and you've continued it so
long. You guys just released asof this recording, episode one hundred,
which is fucking amazing for for anything, you know, one hundred episodes of
a podcast, of a TV show, anything. That's a huge accomplishment.

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And how did you guys get there? So sorry, I'm having memory problems
because none of us sleep. Butanswer first, no, sheer, perseverance

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and stubbornness to be honest and aand you know you know this too.
It even though so many listeners,like we just see the numbers on our
end, it's it's so rare,no matter how much we encourage it.
It's it's so rare to get listenersto actually reach out to us, which

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is something that straight up we bothget so fucking stoked. We get so
excited about, like like screenshotting messages. I'm like, dude, look at
this person said, oh my god, they sent this. And you know,
we always love that. It's it'snot just welcome, it's encouraged and
desired on our ends for folks,it doesn't matter what the hell they have
to say, just to reach out, even if it's a complaint. You

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know, we're excited just to communicatewith their listeners. And I think,
you know, in the anonymity ofall the numbers, you know, we
see the downloads, and we seehow many followers and certain platforms and all
this, and we only talk toa handful. But there's a there's something
special that happens, you know,when you release an episode and it's uploaded,

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and you check and it's shown upon Spotify and then it's popping up
on iTunes in the next hour,and YadA YadA, and you go back
and you look at the analytics comingin and already within like fifteen twenty minutes
of a getting released, five downloads, six downloads, ten downloads, twenty
downloads, you know, within twentyfour hours, and it's like one hundred
downloads, and you're just like peoplewere waiting, you know, on the

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other end, like people were werewaiting for us to release that, and
it at a certain point, itjust kind of becomes obligations the wrong word.
It becomes a duty, you know, to like to deliver that to
folks. And I know, andthis is part of the reason why we
started Black Cat Report. You know, I know how much podcasts mean to

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me, right and like and meanto us in terms of, like we
look forward to them every week andthey they fit into our our weekly routine,
our schedule. It's like we turnthis on at at this point in
our drive to work because they're generallytwenty five minute shows and that's the twenty
five minute mark before you get toyour job and you listen to it,
and it's it's part of your Mondayroutine or your Tuesday evening or your Thursday

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when you know your your partner hasto work late and you have an hour
free at home and you're cooking dinner, and like it fits into people's lives
and kind of I know, youknow, one hundred percent, I have
my shows. You know you'res includedthat like they fit into a specific time
slot or an activity in my life. And it's you become friends with with

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podcasts hosts, whether or not you'veever met them or talked to them,
you feel like you know them andalways trying to kind of step back and
realize, like we're building that exactsame type of relationship with our listeners.
You know, it's we've gone throughridiculous, ridiculous lengths to always try our

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best to be responsible to this relationshipthat we've built up, even though we
don't we don't know all the folks. We'd like to, we'd love to,
but we but we don't know them. But their emotions are real.
They're not just numbers. They're notjust you know, ad opportunities and sponsorships
and ego of like, ook,how big we are and YadA YadA.

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No no, no, no no. There are folks exactly like us,
and we play a role in theirlives. And I think that that's first
and foremost thing. We always,Uh, if we're gonna get stress over
anything, it's over that. Youknow. We're like, shit, we
gotta get this out. We haveto fucking do this, you know,
Bucket Joey, I know you justworked, you know, to sixteen hour
shifts in a row, and you'refucking exhausted. Drink some goddamn coffee.

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I've been writing for three days.I have this ship that working YadA YadA,
and like that has happened so manytimes, and many times. You
have to do it for the folks, you know, because we appreciate when
it's done for us. M hm. So yeah, we work real real
hard out there, uh, andnot just you know our podcast lives because

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me and Gil we have things inour lives that we do. We work
to at you obviously, we allknow most podcasters know that podcasting doesn't pay
the bills at the beginning or evenclose to the middle. Uh, you
kind of have to go through workingother jobs. So that's the reason we
do it is because we love it. We love scriptwriting, we love the

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characters, and as much as lovingpeople that listen to it, we love
the topics. Like me and Gildon't pick a topic that we don't like.
You know, there's only been onetopic that I stop liking after I
did it, And we don't haveto say it because I've always mentioned everywhere
I go. But every time wedo a topic because we want it,
we're interested in it, and wehope that people are interested in it.

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My my personal favorite is like findinginteresting characters. And I always say this
to Gil. I'm like, Ilove finding like interesting people to research into
because like they could you know,a serial killer can be you know,
murdering people, but like you know, all serial killers murder people. I
just like to find that little interestingthing about them, Like in Gil's what

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was yoakum kroll? He was likethe Forest Gump of serial killers. Yeah,
it was ridiculous, the Forest Gumpof serial killers. And that was
such an interesting, like little detailabout him that like it was brought we
can bring out in an episode tokind of give us this angle of like
this is this guy but like lookat him in this way and it's a

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funny way. And me and Gailare all about a comedic podcast. We
love to add funniness and comedy andsomething into it that doesn't just tell you
exactly what's going on, because again, stuff gets dark, life gets dark,
you know, and everything it's hardto deal with sometimes, but sometimes

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you just want to hear about somethingreally dark and then laugh, you know,
and then just be like what thefuck is what is going on?
You know, like this is justthe ridiculousness of it, you know,
the levity. We like to addlevity, and that makes me happy when
we do it, you know,right, There's Gallows humor is so fucking
important that that kind of like darkhumor where you can laugh in the face

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of death and pain and destruction andthis and that and the other. And
a lot of times too, andI always kind of worry if we're blurring
the line or whatever. But Iand I really hope that it comes across.
You know, never ever ever laughat a at a victim, right,
But sometimes shit is just fucking absurd, you know, like if when

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you break it down to just ifit was black and white on paper,
one plus one equals to kind ofa scenario, Like the actual situation itself
is fucking absurd. And I knowwe're kind of like we're riffing on this
here. But but going back tolike Yokam croll there's a scene in there
where there's some you know, it'skind of like a lover's laying kind of

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situation where this younger couple are,you know, enjoying each other on the
side of a lake in a secludedarea in the woods in Germany. In
Yokam crolls being a creepy stalker,serial killer Forrest Gum kind of person he
is, and he's watching them,and he's like trying to think about,
like, you know, am Igonna how am I gonna get him?
I gotta get rid of the dudefirst and then I can get to her,

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and you know that kind of thingthat serial color shit, and shit
goes down and the lovers like takeoff in their car and it's kind of
like a dramatic scene. You know, they're trying to go through the woods.
They're panicking, obviously not going downthe right roads and shit, and
they end up at a at adead end, and so they're turning around,

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and you know, at this pointthey're an eighth of a mile in
the woods away from where they started. And Yokam Kroll who looks like you
know, if he was still aroundwhen Tom when like that was being casted
for Forrest Gump, he would havefit the the physical appearance of Forrest Gump
better than Tom Hanks would. Let'sjust put it that way. Like he

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was a goofy looking motherfucker. Andyou know, he's a piece of shit
cannibal serial killer. I have nobad feelings about making fun of somebody in
that case, so does goofy lookingmotherfucker that's like four foot three skinny is
a goddamn rail And like in Tweed, you know, uh weather with like

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a dress coat, like he lookslike a professor, like the nerdiest,
geekiest weird professor you've ever seen inthe woods with a butcher's knife and he
comes running up the road. Soit's this is this little guy, middle
of the day, running up theroad, and like he's running for so

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long up the road towards them.After they turn their car around on this
one way this one way road inthe middle of the woods, that literally
these people who were getting chased startto have a conversation. They're like,
do you think he's in trouble becausehe's like flailing his arms above his head
like ah, like trying to doa war cry, but he just took
It's kind of like an angry chihuahuah, Like you can't really take him serious,

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you know, as long as yourankles aren't in danger. And he's
a god. And he's like flailinghis arms, running for like what had
to have been ten full on minutestowards them, and the couples are like,
I think maybe his car's broken downor he's in trouble. Like they're
at like what the like they gofrom panic to like huh huh, yeah,

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I don't know, I don't know. The whole time he's running towards
him, planning on killing them,and they're just like, there's no way
this guy's a threat, you know, So the the boyfriend or whoever gets
out of the car and he's likekind of waiting out in front of the
car for you come Croll to getthere. And because at that point they
were convinced they're like, this guy'sjust you know, slightly crazy, but
he's in trouble. And second hegets there, he just you can Croll

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just stabs him, you know,and like kills him, and obviously things
go you know, even worse fromthere. But the absurdity of this,
like this movie esque type of sceneof like doom doom doom, doom doo
doo. I'm just like him runningand them just being like, maybe he
is in trouble. I don't likenobody could take him serious. And when

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he was reported he was basically reportedby everybody to the police. Is this
like crazy little forest gnome guy thatwas just running around town in the world.
But there's an absurdity to that,and you know, like it's okay
to laugh at like that situation isjust fucking absurd. Sucks that somebody died,

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that's absolutely terrible. But like youknow, these murders and these serial
killers, they get they get glorified, and you know, Netflix series and
stuff like that, and they alwayshave this like almost like vampiric kind of
seduction to them, you know,of like they're like suave and they're so
fucking intelligent even when they're not,even when they're not, like in real
life, they're fucking idiots, andlike real life is awkward, Like real

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life is awkward. You know,waiters at fancy restaurants still drop shit and
break things, you know, Likeit's like real life is awkward, and
shit happens, and a lot oftimes people just don't cover that shit when
they cover story, you know,or the to kind of keep riffin.
I'm sorry, you cut all thisout if you want. But something I

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love about that case is the moreI dug into it and the more I
was translating all these these German policerecords and stuff and then comparing what the
police were saying and what the policewere doing from you know, actual government
documents right to uh, what newspaperswere saying and what witnesses and should at
the time we're saying, the moreI and I'm sitting there and I'm kind

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of like, Okay, this happenedon this state, This happened on this
state. This was news this newsarticle about this state that I'm building out
this timeline because this guy basically hadno information on him in you know,
the English speaking world, and letalone outside of Germany. And I realized
there was an active cover up.The police fucked up. They had claimed

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for years that there was wait,we can be rated R on the show,
correct? Is that right? Alreadykind of were the last twes he
had this like issue with not anissue, I don't know how to frame
it. After you do his things, he would he would come on his

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victims, and he had such amassive amount of com His loads were so
huge, right, And again thisis the obscurity and all this that police
thought it was when they would findvictims over the course of years, they
thought it was gangs of boys thatwere raping women. They thought it was
like groups of people. It wasjust one little weirdo dude, and like

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all this transpired. So for yearsthe police were like, oh, it's
gangs of boys, and they werearresting people and doing this and doing that.
Yokom Kroll when he finally got caught, was taking the police out everywhere,
and they the police were just likehyping up there, like we got
this evil serial killer. He's drivingus out to all these sites where he
dumped bodies. He's re enacting themurders. And they were totally feeding into
the media, like because it wasmaking them look good, like, yeah,

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look at that, we're in chargeof the situation. We found it
until Yoakam Kroll started taking police outto places where the case had already quote
unquote been solved and started acting thingsout and was telling you know, detectives
shit that they had never released tothe public, and that was better case,

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it was a better argument for them, the shit that they had assumed
and was showing their own incompetency,showing that they were lying, showing that
they were off for years and yearsand years and arresting the wrong people and
blaming the wrong people, and peoplewere serving time, and Yokam Kroll,
who had an IQ if I thinklike sixty three, was out here making
them look like fucking idiots, whileshit tons of reporters were in the woods

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while the police were doing these investigationsand like getting all the shit reenacted.
And so all of a sudden,it went from a media fanfare and circus
and people who didn't know what happenedto their family members who were stuck to
the newspapers every day, like,who is he revealing now that he was
involved in? Maybe it was theperson I loved, Maybe it was this,
Maybe it was that everybody's hooked onthis. And then the police,

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all of a sudden, we're like, uh, actually, this is infringing
on his civil rights. You know, we shouldn't have the media yeah out
here. And and so I foundthe the before and after of like the
judge and the prosecutor and stuff beinglike this is great and this is good.
And they were doing daily press briefingson everything he was saying and completely
ignoring his lawyer. And then whenhe started to show that they were fucking

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incompetent and they had been fucking up, all of a sudden they were like,
well, this is a concern forcivil liberties. We can't do this.
We can't blah blah blah blah blah, we can't. And so that
as a whole, like his wholestory is barely touched on. When you
look up Yoakam Kroll, like you'llfind like two paragraphs on him most of

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the time, maybe four if you'relucky, and when you'll find less than
Gil just has been talking about.Yeah, no, but it's the truth.
And this is you know, whenJoey's saying, like, you know,
it's things that we get passionate about. It's shit like this. We
look into these you know, serialkillers or UFOs or whatever. It's yeah,
it's these cases that we're like,there's something here, and we dig

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and we dig and we dig,and we actually start putting together resources and
doing original research on it, right, and actually building it, not just
regurgitating a documentary or something, butactually finding our own shit, and it
becomes this bigger thing. And thenit's like it is just so fucking exciting
for us to like get to sharethis ship because we're like, hey,

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guess what, nobody's ever done this, right, You can't find this anywhere
else, And it's so exciting tolike not just create something new, but
to like explore and develop and researchand actually build something new, like new
stories, new cases, and likehave the have the receipts to prove it.

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Like here you go, here's allthe fucking research we did, you
know, And that's that shit keepsus going, man, Like that's our
that's part of the best, right, And like you guys don't take a
break from recording. It's like NonStop, like every week you release an episode.
So do you see there being anysort of a break anytime of the

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near future. No, No,Nationally, there's two words, two words.
Me and Gill are going to sayeach one word three two one.
No bananas. There will be nobreaks in our recordings. We will be
following the model of one episode aweek, and sometimes we will do two

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episodes in a week where we justwe've done crazy amounts of work and or
a half episode or something like that. If we have an interview like special
weeks and sometimes we had plans todo one episode a day for seven days.
Was that seven days or twelve days? Twelve days, twelve days of
lofty goals and little time to fulfillthem. Sometimes that will be a future

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episode set of episodes one day.We love the weekly thing because every week
we learn something new. Sometimes weeven do like we do so July.
We'll just make an example too.In July of every year we do a
topic month, so we basically doan episode every week that's on one topic,

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like last year's was Cannibal Month,so it was really exciting to do
four episodes in a Rowbot Cannibals.By the end of it, we're like,
we're not gonna do Cannibals for along long time. We're full,
We're full. Yeah, Thanksgiving dinnerwas beautiful. Don't know why we do
it in July. It just happenedto be randomly month. We were just

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like, let's just do a topicmonth. We haven't a special month this
month as well in July that wehaven't released yet where I don't think we're
going to tell the topic of Wemade jokes that we don't have a topic
we do. Do you want torelease the topic? This is this month,
Let's do it on Damien j We'reepisode one of Damien's new season which

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is getting released on July fourth,so this would just be let's see,
yes, we'd be releasing that Sundayon the seventh, So yeah, man,
go for it. You know,our for our topic this month for
July July month is going to bethe the the Time Travelers. We're gonna

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be four episodes about time Travelers.So we have we have three out of
the four I think already picked maybethe fourth one, and so we are
excited to do that. That's goingto be very interesting because I've never looked
in the time travelers before, soright, I just ran across the video
just a couple of days ago onTikTok about this guy saying he was a

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time traveler and he was there atthe Gettysburg address. But you know,
Abraham Lincoln, there's a picture thathe's shared and he's like that that kid
is me. He's like, thatis me, and it was it was
really strange, and he was likeconvinced, you know, He's like that's
really me. He's like, youknow, I was, I was there,
remember everything that happened, and I'mlike, that's fuck wold dude.

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Now you mentioned you touched on Joeyabout having guests. Do you guys plan
on doing more guests in the nearfuture or are just gonna kind of keep
that to the bare minimum. No, we love having guests. Uh.
We will continue having guests on ourshow because it's it's always like an interesting
Like we just had a guest recentlyfor a two part interview, Gil Gil's

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friend and an amazing, amazing woman. She is crazy smart. If you
haven't listened to the episode, yep, have you ever listened to the first
episode, please go listen to it, because she bended me and Gil's brains
up and to a higher tier.She like literally reached down and pulled us

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up into that higher tier of thoughtand we're like, cool, let's get
into this. And so that alwayshelps us, you know, especially for
future episode episode one hundred and episodeone hundred and one with doctor Emila Boui,
who is one of the world's foremostleading experts on artificial intelligence and data

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and processing and market research, andshe's quite literally a genius, and she's
also just a complete gem of ahuman being and very like endearing and just
super just an awesome person. They'vebeen a friend of mine for a couple
of years now. But yeah,that h that interview. That was again

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something you know, new for us. We never got dipped into like artificial
intelligence. We wan do something specialfor episode one hundred and you know it
was it was an honor afterwards afterrecording talking to her when she said,
like, you pushed me to thinkabout things that I've never considered before,
and pushed me, like, youknow, to explore air and ideas and

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concepts that I would never have thoughtof. And you know, we're just
sitting here like our eyes, youknow, just wide eyed and amazed,
like that's what you did to usthe whole time, so we can deliver
them back to you. So andthat's you know, that's the kind of
stuff that comes with guests. Soyou know, hey, uh, listeners,
specialists, thinkers, whoever the hellit is out there. If you've

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got something super awesome, hit usup, run it by us, like
we we've brought on just listeners thathave hit us up before. They eventually
tell us some crazy story and we'relike, hey, do you want to
do you want to come on theshow and be on an episode, like
hell yeah, come on, let'sgo, you know, and they never
know what may come of it becauseyou know, I was actually on your

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gas show before you were online,and you know, look at us now,
we've been pretty good friends now forabout a good year or so.
So yeah, yeah, now,Gil, I know you've mentioned here recently
you plan on you want to domore interviews promoting Black Cat Report. How
are you going to go about that? You're just going to reach out to
people, like, how how doyou get on podcasts? I have I

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think I have a simple mentality whenit comes to it. It's the same
way that I reached out to youa long time ago, which was you
know, finding finding content, creators, podcasters, whoever, whoever the hell
it happens to be, and justasking. That's how I go because at

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the end of the day, worstcase is no or just no response,
and it's like life goes on whatever, you know. That's honestly how I
got on ninety eight percent of mine, I don't think. I think very
few actually reached out to me.So yeah, So now about a year
ago, Gil, you were apart of something on my show here on
Life Beyond six Feet. It wascalled the Paranormal Roundtable. Yes, and

(30:56):
that was actually your second appearance,so now this is your third appearance on
my show. Yeah. And duringthat, you know that that roundtable another
past guest of mind, which we'reall really good friends with. Now you
met Kristin Amanda, you cast headedoff and then I don't even remember how

(31:17):
we got into it, but Ithink you were talking to me about something
and you were talking to Christin aboutthe same thing. You're like, hey,
let's just let me put you guysin a group table and we can
all talk about it. And whowould have thought that that would have led
to what we are all doing kindof as a side gig. Now,

(31:37):
let's uh, let's kind of divein to uh beer Booze and Boogeyman for
a minute. Like when you startedthat group chat, that was like the
furthest thing from my mind. Iwas like, this is going to become
another podcast for us to do,you know, and in a you eventually

(32:00):
he added Joey into the group chat, which I didn't really even know other
than talking to him on the interviewswe've done together. And uh, I
think it was initially my idea thatthat me, you and Kristen started like
an extra podcasts as my Oh sorry, if I remember correctly, I think

(32:24):
I was like, hey, let'sstart another because because I was still on
hiatus from this, but I wantedto do something but not like all the
time. Yeah, and I andI think you're the one that actually came
up with the name yes, andI think you were joking about the name

(32:44):
partially yeah, and I was likeno, I was like, that's actually
really a really cool sounding thing.And then it kind of, you know,
just just rolled from there. So, So, what what's your initial
thoughts on on on how this allstarted. Yeah, from from my from
my memory of it, And you'regonna have to ask Kristin if she she

(33:06):
can confirm this. I don't thinkany of us wants to scroll through all
the messages we send each other tofind when it started. But so,
you know, Christina and I webecame friends after the show because they were
such a Playton crossover in terms oflike our love for art Bell. She
was quoting on the Paranormal Roundtable episodeshit that I was literally writing notes about,

(33:29):
like well there's this case a dada da dah, and so like
we were on the same wavelength likethat. And if you ever want to
get an art Bell fan excited,just introduce them to another art Bell fan,
like you're like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my
god. You know, because it'sit's a very small niche community and we're
big fucking nerds. And so herand I became friends. You had started

(33:50):
saying things along the lines of like, hey, you know, I want
to do podcasting again. I missit, you know, like it was
so much fun, but I wantto, you know, to remix and
revamp the way that I'm doing it, you know, to kind of go
off of the lessons that are,you know, basically to grow from the
lessons you would learn from previous previousseasons with the show. And you were

(34:12):
like, I don't know, Idon't know. And so, you know,
you and I were kind of goingback and forth. I had reached
out to Christian and at that pointI was already trying to encourage you to
start some type of call in show. Again, I'm an our bellfan,
So I was like, dude,you should totally do you know a paranormal
call in show? YadA YadA YadA, And You're like, I don't know,
I don't know. And so Ireached out to Christian and I was
like, hey, do you wantto help I want to help me bully

(34:36):
tam into into you know, pullingthe trigger and doing this, and I
think and that's when we created thetext group Future call In Group, which
is like our our notorious behind thescenes text group because it was literally supposed
to be a future call in show, right, so it still is that

(34:58):
now on the And so you know, Kristen and you and I were talking
and da da da dah, andideas developed so on and so forth,
and I want to say it was, uh, sometime before we finalized the
name beer Boos and Boogeyman. Thewhole time, Christian and I kind of

(35:19):
thought you were doing the show.We were trying to help you formulate ideas
and go through it, and thenall of a sudden the language on your
end changed a WII and you werelike, so, when are we doing
this? And I was like thefuck? Oh? And so then it
was like and you were just like, bro, I can't do all the
shit on my own, Like y'allgot all these you know, big plans

(35:40):
and it's all complicated and da dadah and all this other crap, like
come on, man, what thehell? And so we were like,
yeah, you know what, fuckit, let's do it, you know.
And so that's how beer Booze Boogeymanstarted from my memory of it.
But so it was kind of wewere all roping each other into it.
We're all coaxing with each other eachother towards it. And I was constantly

(36:02):
early on being like, Joe,you got to get involved, and He's
like, I don't know, I'mpretty busy. And then I'm like,
damn it, Joe, you gottaget involved. Oh. I would always
forget who was in the group Chapbecause like he never said I read all.
He like would eventually agree to bea part of the show, but

(36:24):
I would still forget he was apart of it because he would never say
anything. I was like, ohshit, I forgot about Joey. And
that's if folks look at the logo. When we were getting the logo designed
specifically, it was very intentional,but we have to figure out a way
to hide Joey in the logo becausewe all kind of picked our avatars like
Dee Booz or Damien, you know, like you're the ghost, Kristen's Bigfoot,

(36:49):
I was the Great Alien, andI was like, how the hell
can we hide Joey and the logosin that way? When he does come
on the show, he already kindof fits in, and so we decided,
like, who's kind of creepy backhanging off on the side because we're
already teasing him about that, andlike Mothman. Mothman is perfect, and
Joey's like, I am definitely Mothman. Yeah. Yeah. So if you

(37:10):
look at the eyes of the logoand I think it's a word boogeyman,
there's two red glowing eyes to representMan, to represent Joey. So all
all four of us are hidden inthere, right and uh, and now
we're approaching was it episode six?Now? Yeah, because you know,
we just said we'll do it oncea month. We'll do it the first

(37:31):
Saturday of each month. And andwe do have some other stuff in the
works which I'm not going to talkabout yet because when this episode releases,
we hadn't we will not have doneepisode six yet, which we're gonna talk
about that stuff on episode six,so I'm not gonna dive into that,
but it would be. But yeah, so some pretty some pretty exciting stuff

(37:54):
we have on on the horizon forthat, and uh, yeah, I
know we're all pretty excited about that. So I'm gonna jump back to BCR
for just a minute now. Ofcourse, you guys do a little bit
of everything, uh, haunting,serial killers, alien stuff like that.

(38:16):
Of course, my h biggest thingis hauntings and ghosts and stuff like that.
So with the episode you guys havedone, what's been like the one
haunting one that has stood out toyou guys the most. I can go
first on that because I love themix of all the styles of it and

(38:37):
there's one especially that mixes serial killerand hauntings and I think you know this
one too, Fox Hello Farm withher Bo mystick and that one, uh,
the serial killer obviously killed a bunchof people buried, didn't even bury
them in his yard, just kindof let the bones live there and just
put him out there. Eventually wasfound out, went and killed himself in

(38:59):
Canada with a gun. A weirdlittle conspiracy theories on if he killed himself
or somebody did it, eh.But afterwards somebody else bought the house and
it was a beautiful, beautiful almostlike castleish looking house, like a real
tutor style, And the people whomoved in there started to getting hauntings and

(39:23):
like they were just normal people,you know, and started having hauntings of
people with like no legs running walkingthrough the forest, and then people slamming
doors. And one of the guyswho like rented out the place was friends
of the owner. He rented outthe little thing above the garage, which
is a big, like I thinkthree four car garage and there's an apartment

(39:45):
above it, and he was sayingthat like he'd sit in there at night
and just the door would freaking he'dhear a knock on the door and he'd
open the door and nobody's there,and he'd feel somebody rush in, and
just like he'd have all these hauntings, and it was kind of almost surrounded
by this one guy and his anduh, the wife of the owner of

(40:05):
the house because she had her vacuumme be unplugged a few times and looked
at it while it happens, notby her, but it just randomly happens.
So hauntings, like I love whenthey mix with other stuff too,
which is kind of cool because youget the double you know, the double
version of it. You get thekiller and you get the hauntings. But

(40:27):
Fox Hello Farm is probably one ofmy favorite hauntings that's out there right If
you've heard about that one, Damien, I think I have. I think
I've seen something on it. Outof the board it was, but I've
seen I think I've seen something onthem. Mhm. Gilbert would my favorite
be? I mean, Joey,Joey's already got Fox Hell of Farm,

(40:47):
which is definitely literally you know,same reasons, one hundred percent. That's
it's definitely my favorite. I don'tknow, I don't actually actually Okay,
so if we can count demons ashauntings, right, you know, and

(41:09):
in the spiritual plane, let's putit that way, right, or they're
close to the same plane. Recentepisode that we did, which was Demons
of War, and that it thethe concept and stuff came so organically.
You know, I got this thismassive encyclopedia of demons from all around the

(41:31):
world. It's beautifully written, it'sit's just a fantastic piece of research.
Let alone, you know, justthe content itself, and you know,
I'd kind of thumb through it tobe you know, sitting outside smoking a
cigarette and just kind of thumbing throughit and reading about demons from all over
the world, from you know,small Amazonian tribes to the Inuit to you

(41:52):
know, like folks in Malaysia toancient Greece and just kind of scrolling through
and reading. And this pattern poppedup where demons were being mentioned only appearing
on battlefields, that's it, justduring actual warfare, that was it.

(42:13):
They weren't related to before or after, or the hauntings or you know anything,
I don't know, just literally duringbattle that's it. And and so
it kind of gone through when Ipicked out a cultures and time periods and
you know, distances that made surethat there was no cross pollination and ideas

(42:34):
of religion or anything. It's like, there's no fucking way. You know,
these folks in ancient Greece were connectedto this, you know, uh
indigenous tribe in the Amazon with onlyseven thousand people, you know, like
during this time period. But lookat what they're explaining and the behavior of
the demon, and it's identical.It's it's like damn near identical. I

(43:01):
think that was my favorite because itreally pushed me to view the paranormal world,
right, the spiritual plane or thedeath as as an ecosystem, right,
and to not view it as thislike separate thing. But and I
think Joey you pointed it out inthe show. But you know, as
above so below right, you knowthat old adage which just keeps showing itself

(43:23):
to be true over and over again. You know, these demons kind of
come in almost like the crows andthe rats and you know, the roaches
on a battlefield when its scattered withdead bodies and like start the process of
decomposition. And these demons were comingin starting a process of almost spiritual decomposition

(43:45):
the exact same time, right,And I don't know, I think that
I think that might be my favorite. Well, it definitely was an interesting
episode. I'm not a huge podcastlistener because I just don't have a lot
of free time between work and kids, and so when I get to listen

(44:07):
to Black Cat Report or Pairing themGirl, you know, I try to
listen as much as I can,and that was one that I know I
did listen to and it was superintriguing talking about the you know, the
goggles and all that shit, andI was like, dude, that is
insane that that that this happened.It was just it was wild. But
that that definitely was an interesting episode. And that was like episode what like

(44:31):
ninety six, ninety seven somewhere inthere. Yeah, yeah, not too
long, yeah, in the nineties. Yeah, so it was it was
It was definitely interesting, and likeI said, I feel bad that I
don't listen to your guys and soas much as I should. Uh,
but like I said, just betweenwork and kids and and my drive to
work's only like fifteen minutes, soI don't have a lot of time to

(44:53):
actually sit and listen because when I'moff work, I'm constantly going doing something
either at the house or I'm havingto do stuff like errands, and so
I don't have a lot of freetimes. And but that's something I do
want to start doing. Even ifI don't listen to all one hundred,
I want to try to pick andchoose something that that will more interest me

(45:15):
and listen because because you know,I'm I'm not super big into like Bigfoot
and stuff like that, so thatthat one may not ones like that may
not interest me that much to wherelike the demon ones and the haunting ones
and even the serial killer ones,you know, those are those that can
be fascinating too. I found myselfwatching a whole lot of true true true

(45:36):
crime documentary over the last few months, and I never thought I would ever
get into that. Yeah, andsome of that stuff is just like how
the fuck do these people get awaywith this for so long? You know?
And it's just yeah, and Ican say people getting away with it.
So I to add into this,it's probably about ninety five to ninety
six percent cop incompetence. Yep,there's about a four to five percent where

(46:00):
it's like, Okay, there's beencops and they're really looking for these people
and they just have to wait untilthey kill more people to get evidence.
You know. Sometimes, like withthe with Richard Armirez, I would say,
there really wasn't that much cop incompetence in that they were just literally
trying to find this guy that hadreally no no rhyme nor reason to why

(46:22):
I was doing it, you know, And with like her Bomeister, there
was like cop incompetence. They didnot do anything to find this guy.
And again we can always go intolike are they really looking for somebody who's
killing you know, homosexual people ortrans people? Are they really looking for
those people? And those times,you know, do not investigate all those

(46:43):
kind of things, right, youkind of have to put that into it.
I put that into cop and competenceand just horrible being horrible job being
a cop, So it kind ofadd that in there. But like again,
it is interesting, you're right,like how did they get away with
this? Sometimes and yeah, it'sjust it's wild. And I think what

(47:04):
really kind of got me drawn toit is I don't remember if you guys
remember my sister had started a truecrime podcast last year. She made it
about six episodes in and then justlife took over, but like, like
I was helping her come up withideas. She's like, I don't want
to do episodes about the same peoplethat is always out there. I want

(47:29):
to do ones about people that thatpeople don't know a lot about. And
so I'm like sitting there trying toresearch and I'm like, hey, check
this one out, and she's like, well, that's really fucking strange.
Let me do that one. Andso, like a lot of her episodes,
I found her the ones for herto do episodes on. But it's
it's really intriguing. So people wantto listen to all one hundred episodes of

(47:50):
Black Cat Board. How can theydo that? Yeah, so you can
go to b c R, bioforward slash links. Easy way to find
that, if you're trying to remember, is to just hit us up on
Instagram, black Cat Report, onx on you know, Facebook, on

(48:16):
YouTube, wherever. But you canfind our link tree page. I think
we're on over eighty five different platformsat this point, and they, you
know, they all get updated withina fairly reasonable hour. I've noticed some
random podcastterers it'll be like three daysafter we publish an episode where it's like

(48:40):
a new episode released. I'm like, damn, but more or less you
know it's coming out on a consistentweekly schedule. But yeah, so bcr
dot bio forward slash links, oryou can go to our website, black
Cat dot Report. There's an entiresection there about where to listen. I

(49:00):
have not updated the show listings onour website I think like episode thirty.
So now it's just becoming more ofa task. Yeah, you can find
us on your normal Spotify, Apple, You can find us on any pretty
much any podcaster that's out there.And Gil has had a open open question

(49:22):
to people if you can not findus on Yeah, a bounty. If
you cannot find us on a podcasting, you know, podcaster or service or
something like that, send it tous and Gil, what do we send
them? I'll mail you a stickerimmediately, So we got an active bounty
going if if you want a freesticker, not that we wouldn't just send
you one anyways, but if youwant a free sticker, find a platform

(49:45):
we're not listed on. Hit usup, let us know. We'll get
listed on it, and you knowyou'll get you'll get some some free merchant,
a nice little handwritten thank you letter, from from Juliana. We're also
on all the major social media platformsif you want to find information, that's
where most of our up to dateinformation is. When episode releases are happening.

(50:07):
If we have new information for you, Hey, if we're going to
be late on a week, becausesometimes that happens, you know, we
get an episode not out on Sundaybut Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, so
you can catch on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, uh X. I think
we're on X yes, yes,so you can that stuff for Twitter,

(50:29):
not every day, you know,just Twitter, Twitter. I do know
one you guys on Oh you're noton MySpace? Send me a sticker.
That's not It's still the social mediaplatform. He also said we're on all
major social media technicality. Thank you. I put out a press release stixty

(50:58):
people like, why aren't you wantmast don just be like dude, Yeah,
I think we're on medium too.Actually aren't we on media? I
haven't published, but we are.No. I gotta get on that.
That's my fault. I don't havea life, so I just keep adding
us to everything. So if peoplewant merch, do you have a way
to get merchandized like a mug ora shirt or yeah, so of that

(51:25):
store is ready to go. There'sa couple things you need to get figured
out on the back end, mostlyon the banking side, because at the
moment, the reason why we haven'treleased it publicly yet is anytime somebody buys
something, however much it costs,is being pulled from my bank account at
the moment, and then four orfive days later, whatever they paid gets

(51:46):
deposited into my bank account. That'sa problem because I don't know how much
people are going to buy in whatamounts, and I mean I got rent
sometimes, you know, so likeso waiting until that banking site gets figured
out. The second it gets resolved, hopefully, you know, honestly,
sometime over July, we'll have itup. We've got fifty sixty products and

(52:09):
like merch options and things that areon there. And you know, we're
always down to take ideas for forthings too. We will make stuff for
you if you if you have agreat idea and you're like, hey,
can you guys make this for mewith the BCR format and you know,
black Cat Report format, We'll tryto design something for you. You know.
We we love if you want tohave your own unique thing. You

(52:31):
know. Right now, Gil hasa sweatshirt. I think he's actually wearing
the BCR sweatshirt right now. Yes, so he created I don't have my
hat on. I have a BCRhat that's green, you know at the
logo, a T shirt as well. He's got mouse pats. You know.
We got lots of stuff in theworks. So yeah, we want
you guys to be happy with yourBCR swag, you know. Yeah.

(52:54):
Yeah, So if people want towatch beer Boos and boogey Man, how
do they do that. Well,by the time this episode will be airing,
beer Boos and Bookyman will have itsown dedicated, fully up to date
and running YouTube, so you'll beable to hop onto you just that's the

(53:15):
good thing about the name. You'renot going to have a lot of other
results coming up to confuse it withanything. So just go in to YouTube
type in beer Booze and Boogeyman.We should show up. If not again,
there's another bounty, let us know. We'll send you a sticker,
but we should show up there again. It's its first Saturday of every month

(53:37):
right now is our big shows inhint and generally, depending on your time,
zone between like six to seven o'clockevening evening on Saturdays. Yeah,
got it. Else today you shouldcome join us, you know, and
us tell us your creepy stories andlet's come drink and have fun. Yeah
yeah right. And for those thatmay not know, each episode we try

(54:00):
to come with a paranormally thing drink, which I have the biggest fucking problem
trying to find something, but thatthat's kind of part of our our deal,
you know. We we drink duringthe episode. We try to keep
it paranormally related, whether it's aUFO related beer or a Bigfoot or or
a ghost or whatever it is.We try to keep it with the show.

(54:24):
And each episode is you know,has to do with either Bigfoot or
I don't think we've done one onBigfoot yet, we haven't. What we've
done, we've we've done haunted workplaces, We've done on electronics on an AI

(54:44):
and electronics, we've done strange andlights mhm, we've done try to do
truth or trash, but YouTube decidedto trash us along with anybody else live
streaming at the time, off theair, So that's going to have to
be the value on that one isgoing to be in the replay, which
should be released by the time thisis coming out, right, Yeah,

(55:06):
and then we've done one about afterlifecommunication yep. And then our next one
was our next one is Joey's idea, So Doey, go ahead and plug
that one, buddy. Yeah.They pretty much forced me into creating an
episode topic. And I don't knowif I was ready, but as Gil
can appreciate, Actually, I don'tthink Gil can appreciate this. As Gil

(55:28):
can accept I work really good underpressure, and I came up with a
really good topic, conspiracy theories.And I can see Gil and biting his
lip over there making sure he doesn'tconspiracy theories. And that was one of
my big things that I kind oflike. So it's called Theories on Tap
and your favorite conspiracy theory. Sowe want you to call in with your

(55:52):
favorite conspiracy theory. Or it doesn'teven have to be doesn't even to be
history. It can just be oneyou made up. If you have a
conspiracy theory that you made up andyou're like, I want to get this
out there, call in and tellus no matter how wacky, how amazing
you think it is, or howcrazy you think it is. I want

(56:15):
you to call in and tell us. We all want you to call in
and tell us, and we can'twait. And we're all going to have
our own favorite conspiracy to tell,you know, throughout the time as well.
So yeah, I got to dosome research on that. So I've
got a couple of minds. Sokeep it to the show though. Yeah,
we like to push each other's boundaries, you know, as like what

(56:37):
we can like what we learn from, you know. And so you know,
Gil with doing truth y'or trash,you know, having to remember a
story that's truth or trash or youknow, haunted AI similar thing to be
like not always do we have storiesabout it until we like really push ourselves
to be like I actually think Ihave a story, you know, like

(56:57):
it comes back to you, youknow, And so we like to push
each other just a tiny bit tokind of like get into those modes,
get into those topics, right.That's that's really the goal you know with
the show is you know, wekind of start off with the hosts all
kind of sharing their you know,whatever the topic happens to be. You
know, it's the host sharing theirtwo cents on it, and then we

(57:20):
open up the lines we have aphone number for folks to call into and
we take live calls and we respondlive on air. The lifeblood right of
the show itself is really the thecallers calling in us getting to finally freaking
chat with folks that like, youknow, listen to our shows and are

(57:40):
part of the overall paranormal and highstrangeness loving community, you know. So
it's it's you know, hey,it's a it's a it's a drag and
said, if we're not getting youknow, if we're not getting those lines
filled, like, it's the bestwhen folks calling in, when they're engaged,
when they're excited, when they youknow, wanna tell us their stuff,

(58:05):
And that's the excitement behind the showitself. And the concept is we
don't know, you know, oncewe open up the lines, we have
no clue who's gonna call in,what they're gonna tell us, and what
it's gonna be about. But sometimes, you know, like the night be
might be starting off kind of slowand might just kind of be like,
yeah, so we're doing this,and then somebody calls in with a story
about Bigfoot running down the mountain witha glowing member and up to somebody's trailer.

(58:30):
This actually happened, right, So, like we have no idea,
and that's the excitement, right,So nobody, nobody besides you the caller,
actually knows where you're gonna take us, and that's the point of the
damn show, right. We liketo go along for the ride, right
exactly. So I've went fucking blindbecause my wife's actually texting me at the

(58:55):
same time I'm trying to report this, sollo, So I guess I want
to wrap it up on that because, like I said, I kind of
touched on everything I wanted to touchon, and that sounds really bad.
Kind of kind of got the listenersof my show that may have not listened

(59:16):
to your show before or did listento the first episode kind of get caught
up to where what you guys aredoing now. And that's that's a big
part of all I wanted to bringyou on to kind of get you guys,
get my listeners caught up, andand to help promote you guys more.
So I know, Gil, that'ssomething you've been wanting to do.
So yeah, all right, wellguys, I will chat with you next

(59:37):
time. Dude, Yeah, realquick, thank you. This is this
has been a blast. Like wesaid, Top, we are just so
stoked. You're getting back in,You're bringing back life beyond six feet.
You're doing it again. It's likeyou, my man, deserved to be
podcasting. You need to like andsuper stoked. It's such an honor to

(59:59):
to on your show. I dowant to say that that I'm not going
to be releasing them every week likeI was. I'm gonna go every other
week to kind of lighten the loada little bit, because I think that's
partially why I got burned out thefirst time, because I was doing it
every single week, and doing itevery week, at least for me.
You know, I was getting frustratedbecause there would be last minute cancelations and

(01:00:22):
I'm trying to scramble to find somebody, and that was happening more and more,
and I was having Internet issues andI was getting pissed off. I
was like, this is just notfun anymore. Yeah, you know,
you're running it by yourself too,you know, it's just kind of that's
hard. Me and Gil can leanon each other for episodes, you know,
switching back and forth. So runningit by yourself, you and Christen,

(01:00:45):
I have no idea I am allyou know, bowing down to you
guys for that. Yep. Well, what I originally started, you know,
I had a co host and hewas only able to make it on
for like three four episodes. Yeah, and then when I started season three,
I tried to have another co host, and I'm just like it just

(01:01:06):
I feel like this show works betterwith one host because because when you're trying
to interview somebody, you're almost when, at least in my experience, when
there's two hosts, you're running overeach other, and it was just it
was getting frustrating. So but likewith our show, you know, with
four hosts, we kind of knowwhen each other is gonna speak, I

(01:01:29):
guess in a way, and thenwe haven't really run over each other that
much. So I think it's prettyd so mhm all right, guys,
Well again, thank you for comingon. Like I said, uh,
I'm sure I will probably chat withyou guys again soon. I don't know,
you know, it's not like wetalked that much or anything, so

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not on a text group or anything. Great, all right, guys,
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guys, Thank you dammon. Nowthis is my sign off because I don't
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