July 15, 2025 • 11 mins
Ever heard “Sleep when you’re rich”? What if we told you that billionaires are actually getting more shut-eye than you think—and that your late-night hustle might be sabotaging your success?
Welcome to a myth-busting journey through the world of work culture and sleep! In this episode, we pull back the covers on the infamous hustle culture myth, revealing how billionaire bedtime routines and the latest sleep research are rewriting the rules of productivity and health. Forget the sleepless entrepreneur stereotype—Forbes and NCBI show that chronic sleep deprivation is a dangerous trend, not a badge of honor.
We dive into the science behind sleep and cognitive function, explore the real impact of chronic sleep loss on your health, and break down the physiological magic of memory consolidation during sleep (thanks, PubMed Central!). Plus, we tackle the hottest business trends and HR insights—from why senior leaders might be sleeping more than you think, to how AI in the workplace is helping us work smarter, not harder.
With expert interviews (including Edward Guest from UNLIMITED), we debunk productivity myths, champion the anti-hustle movement, and share actionable tips for building a balanced work culture that values breaks, efficient collaboration, and real wellness—whether you’re remote, hybrid, or in the office.
Ready to reclaim your nights and supercharge your days? Hit play, share with your team, and join the movement for a healthier, more human approach to work. Subscribe now and wake up to a better way to work and live!
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/life-hacks-diy-more-transform-your-everyday-with-simple-tricks-and-diy-magic--5995484/support.
Welcome to a myth-busting journey through the world of work culture and sleep! In this episode, we pull back the covers on the infamous hustle culture myth, revealing how billionaire bedtime routines and the latest sleep research are rewriting the rules of productivity and health. Forget the sleepless entrepreneur stereotype—Forbes and NCBI show that chronic sleep deprivation is a dangerous trend, not a badge of honor.
We dive into the science behind sleep and cognitive function, explore the real impact of chronic sleep loss on your health, and break down the physiological magic of memory consolidation during sleep (thanks, PubMed Central!). Plus, we tackle the hottest business trends and HR insights—from why senior leaders might be sleeping more than you think, to how AI in the workplace is helping us work smarter, not harder.
With expert interviews (including Edward Guest from UNLIMITED), we debunk productivity myths, champion the anti-hustle movement, and share actionable tips for building a balanced work culture that values breaks, efficient collaboration, and real wellness—whether you’re remote, hybrid, or in the office.
Ready to reclaim your nights and supercharge your days? Hit play, share with your team, and join the movement for a healthier, more human approach to work. Subscribe now and wake up to a better way to work and live!
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/life-hacks-diy-more-transform-your-everyday-with-simple-tricks-and-diy-magic--5995484/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the deep dive. We're here to cut through
the noise, sit through the sources, and really pull out
the key insights to get you informed fast.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And today we're tackling something huge, this whole you know,
hustle culture thing.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yeah, it's everywhere, isn't it. This idea that you've got
to work NonStop, sleep is for the week, always be.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Grinding, right, that endless work equals success. But what if
that's just wrong exactly.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
We saw that flare up recently, right, that ridit post.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Oh yeah, billionaire on work life balance caused quite a stir,
someone prominent saying everyone should work what was it fourteen
hour days?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, fourteen hours, six days a week. And that's really
our mission today. We're going to challenge that.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
We're going to dig into the real cost of that
relentless pace.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
And show how actually prioritizing rest, understanding your own energy
that's maybe the real secret to peak performance.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So you, our listener, stick with us. You'll get some
practical insights for your own productivity, your own well being.
It might even mean doing less to paradoxically achieve more.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Okay, so let's unpack that Reddit post first.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
The billionaire in question Nrianna Murthy. He's the father in
law of Rishie Sunak, the former UK Prime minister. And yeah,
he didn't just say he worked those hours. He sort
of suggested others should too.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
And read it well. Reddit reacted strongly.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Oh, absolutely, a lot of skepticism anger. Even people pointed out,
you know, the massive privilege involved, right.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
They drew a really sharp line between what they called
real work, like physical labor.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah, there was a carpenter talking about ninety hour wix arthwhitis,
tough stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Versus what some called kind of cynically socializing with money involved,
you know, meetings, calls, maybe golf exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
There was this feeling of exploitation, like these comments came
from someone totally disconnected from the reality of physical or
even intense mental work.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
People shared some really harrowing stories, too, didn't they They.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Did that carpenter, the taxi driver pushing sixty plus hours
on energy drinks.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Someone mentioned one hundred and twenty hours in one week,
so they thought their heart would explode.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, and the regret neglecting family health for companies that,
as one person put it, often don't give a shit
about you.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
The overall feeling was just nothing's.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Worth that powerful stuff really highlights the human cost.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So these stories are incredibly compelling, gut wrenching even. But
is it just anecdotes or does the you know, the
actual science back this up, this idea that NonStop work
isn't the answer.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
It does actually quite strongly.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Our sources like clockwise point out how many common workplace
ideas are just well myths, counterproductive even Okay, give me one,
all right, myth one, successful people are mourning people.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
We hear that all the time.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Oh yeah, the five am club, get up before dawn, right.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
But the reality it's much more about understanding your own
biological clock, your chronotype.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Ronotype explain it.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
It's basically your natural inclination for sleep and energy levels focus.
Are you a morning lark, a night owl, or somewhere
in between.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It affects everything, So forcing yourself to wake up early
might actually be bad if you're naturally a night owl.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Exactly, you should design your day around when you are
naturally most creative or focus could be morning, could be
after dinner.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
It's personal.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
That makes so much sense. I definitely tried the early
morning thing because everyone said so, and I just felt
foggy like I was fighting myself.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
You probably were working with your biology, not against it.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
That's key.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Okay, what's another myth?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Myth?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Three?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Taking breaks hurts productivity, the idea that you need to
power through.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, keep your head down, grind it out.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Nope, the opposite seems true. Breaks are critical, even short
micro breaks, getting up, walking around, checking in with family.
They actually boost your mood, your energy.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
So stepping away helps you do more when you come back.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Precisely forcing productivity without breaks, it just doesn't work long term.
You hit diminishing returns, make more mistakes.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Okay, I'm guilty. The next one, I think myth multitasking
makes you efficient.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Ah, the great multitasking lie. We all feel like we're
doing it right.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Jumbling emails, calls, project totally feels super productive, but the brain.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Isn't wired for it.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Switching between tasks takes a surprising amount of energy. It
can cost you up to forty percent of your productive.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Time forty percent just from switching.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, forty.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
So while it feels like you're getting more done, the
quality often suffers and you're actually slower overall.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
It's like cognitive whiplash.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Wow, okay, reality check. Indeed, so less multitasking, more focused work.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
That ties into myth seven. Working longer hours means better.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Results the core of the hustle myth really.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Absolutely, and research consistently shows productivity drops with excessive overtime.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
It's not linear.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
More hours does an equal more output after a certain point.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
You mentioned a stat about the US, right, the.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
US ranks thirteenth globally in productivity, but there are twelve
countries ahead of it where employees work fewer hours per year, so.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
They work less but achieve more per hour.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Essentially, Yes, it shows efficiency isn't just about time logged.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And think about the cost of burnout.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
One source put it at twenty one thousand dollars per
employee plus increased accidents, health issues.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
It makes that whole business equals productivity thing Mith eight
look pretty hollow exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
It's what some call pseudo productivity, looking busy, answering emails, constantly,
being visibly active, but not actually producing much of real value.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
It's about the deep work, the focused effort, not just
spinning your wheels.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Right, quality over just quantity.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Of time, and this relentless drive, this lack of rest.
It has serious health implications too, doesn't it beyond just
feeling tired.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Oh, absolutely devastating consequences. Our sources from the NCBI, the
National Center for Biotechnology Information, are pretty clear on this, Okay,
laid out for well, first the scale. We're talking fifty
to seventy million Americans with chronic sleep disorders. That's huge,
affect daily life, health, even how long people live.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
And the old thinking was just you get sleepy.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, that was the old dogma, that sleep loss just
meant daytime sleepiness. But that's been completely overturned. We now
know it impacts well, pretty much everything specifically Okay, consistently
getting less than about seven hours of sleep. It affects
your party, vascular system, your endocrine system, immune system, nervous system.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Wow, so all the major players, all of them.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Increased risk of hypertension, diabetes, obesity, depression, heart attack, stroke.
The list is long and serious.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
It's not just feeling groggy, it's tangible health risks.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Absolutely and specific disorders like sleep APNA are linked directly
to heart disease, stroke, even higher mortality rates. Insomnia is
linked to psychiatric issues. NACOLEPSI severely impacts daily life. Circadian
rhythm disorders mess with work, school, mental health.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
And the real world impacts errors in judgment.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Think major accidents like the Space Shuttle Challenger, which had
links to sleep deprivation, crashes, lower quality of life, more
healthcare needed.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Sleep isn't optional, it's fundamental.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Okay, So the picture is clear. Hustle culture is risky, unsustainable,
But is anything changing. Are people or companies pushing back?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
There are definite signs of a shift.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
At Zuna, the job search engine found something really interesting.
In March twenty twenty four, job listings mentioning anti hustle
terms things like work life balance were up three hundred
and fifty six percent compared to before the pandemic.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Three hundred and fifty six percent. That's massive, it really is.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
It shows companies, especially those desperate for talent, are realizing
they need to actively promote balance to attract people.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
The market is speaking, so it's not just employees wanting it.
It's becoming a business imperative.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Seems that way. Smart businesses are adapting, and.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
We found a great example of a leader who embodies
this shift, right Edward Guest.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, the COO and CFO of Unlimited. His whole philosophy
is basically the anti hustle what does he say.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
He says, quite directly, make sure that when you are
not working, you recover effectively, rest properly, and switch off completely.
And here's the key part. Rest is productivity.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Rest is productivity, not the enemy of it exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
He argues, you achieve more when you're fully recovered. It's
not about how much you do, but how much you
achieve in the time you actually dedicate to work.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Does he practice what he preaches?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Apparently so.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
He talks about his own commitment to recovery, like walking
seven kilometers daily while listening to audiobooks at double speed.
Interestingly enough, so still optimizing.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Huh okay, So it's about strategic recovery, not just laziness precisely.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And he's forward looking too. He thinks the old model
everyone in the office nine to five is gone forever.
Leaders need to be nimble, embrace change, use tools like
AI to work smarter, not just harder.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It's a totally different mindset. Value output, not just visible
effort value. Recovery is part of the process.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
So while we might not have cracked open the secret
diaries for a top five billionaire bedtime routines list.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Right, because the sources didn't really offer that specific kind
of listical.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Exactly, but what we have found is arguably more important.
It's this convergence successful forward thinking leaders like Guest and
the Solid Science all pointing to the same thing that
rest recovery. Understanding your own rhythms. It's not weakness, it's strategy.
It's essential for peak performance and frankly, sustainable success.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Okay, so let's boil this down. What are the key
takeaways the principles listeners can actually use based on everything
we've discussed.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
All right, let's list them out. First, understand your chronotype seriously,
stop fighting your body clock. Figure out when you naturally
have the most energy and focus, and try to structure
your most important work around those times. Don't just force
the early bird thing if.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
It's not you.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Okay, know thyself, biologically speaking, makes sense. Second.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Second, prioritize sufficient sleep. Aim for enough The science points
towards more than seven hours for most adults. This isn't
just about feeling less tired tomorrow. It's a long term
investment in your physical and mental health. Don't treat sleep
as a negotiable.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Expense, got it. Protect your sleep.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Third principle third embrace breaks Intentionally build short, unrelated breaks
into your workday. Get up, move, talk to someone about
something not work related. These aren't wasted minutes. They refuel you,
boost your mood, and actually make you more productive when
you return. Think of them as essential pit stocks.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Okay, brace are good. Actually.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Fourth, Fourth, focus on achieve, not just do shift your
whole mindset. Stop equating being busy or the number of
hours you sit at a desk with being productive. Identify
the high value tasks, the deep work that really matters,
and focus your energy there.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Like Edward Guest said, it's about what you achieve.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Quality over quantity of time makes sense. And the last
one and fifth, master the art of recovery. This is
crucial when you're not working. Learn to truly switch off,
disengage completely. Effective recovery is what allows you to be
fully present, focused, and energetic when you are working. Don't
just be always sort of on.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Okay, those are five really solid principles. Understand your chronotype,
prioritize sleep, embrace breaks, focus on achieving, and master recovery.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
It really paints a different picture of high performance.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Doesn't It absolutely does, and it makes you think, what
does success or wealth really mean? Is it just the
number in your bank account, accumulated at the cost of
your health, your relationships, or is real wealth something broader?
Does it include well being, the ability to perform at
a high level sustainably, and actually having a life that
feels balanced and fulfilling.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Maybe the most valuable asset we have isn't just our time,
but our truly rested, recovered and focused time
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Something definitely worth thinking about.
Welcome to the deep dive. We're here to cut through
the noise, sit through the sources, and really pull out
the key insights to get you informed fast.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And today we're tackling something huge, this whole you know,
hustle culture thing.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yeah, it's everywhere, isn't it. This idea that you've got
to work NonStop, sleep is for the week, always be.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Grinding, right, that endless work equals success. But what if
that's just wrong exactly.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
We saw that flare up recently, right, that ridit post.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Oh yeah, billionaire on work life balance caused quite a stir,
someone prominent saying everyone should work what was it fourteen
hour days?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, fourteen hours, six days a week. And that's really
our mission today. We're going to challenge that.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
We're going to dig into the real cost of that
relentless pace.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
And show how actually prioritizing rest, understanding your own energy
that's maybe the real secret to peak performance.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So you, our listener, stick with us. You'll get some
practical insights for your own productivity, your own well being.
It might even mean doing less to paradoxically achieve more.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Okay, so let's unpack that Reddit post first.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
The billionaire in question Nrianna Murthy. He's the father in
law of Rishie Sunak, the former UK Prime minister. And yeah,
he didn't just say he worked those hours. He sort
of suggested others should too.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
And read it well. Reddit reacted strongly.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Oh, absolutely, a lot of skepticism anger. Even people pointed out,
you know, the massive privilege involved, right.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
They drew a really sharp line between what they called
real work, like physical labor.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah, there was a carpenter talking about ninety hour wix arthwhitis,
tough stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Versus what some called kind of cynically socializing with money involved,
you know, meetings, calls, maybe golf exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
There was this feeling of exploitation, like these comments came
from someone totally disconnected from the reality of physical or
even intense mental work.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
People shared some really harrowing stories, too, didn't they They.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Did that carpenter, the taxi driver pushing sixty plus hours
on energy drinks.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Someone mentioned one hundred and twenty hours in one week,
so they thought their heart would explode.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, and the regret neglecting family health for companies that,
as one person put it, often don't give a shit
about you.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
The overall feeling was just nothing's.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Worth that powerful stuff really highlights the human cost.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So these stories are incredibly compelling, gut wrenching even. But
is it just anecdotes or does the you know, the
actual science back this up, this idea that NonStop work
isn't the answer.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
It does actually quite strongly.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Our sources like clockwise point out how many common workplace
ideas are just well myths, counterproductive even Okay, give me one,
all right, myth one, successful people are mourning people.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
We hear that all the time.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Oh yeah, the five am club, get up before dawn, right.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
But the reality it's much more about understanding your own
biological clock, your chronotype.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Ronotype explain it.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
It's basically your natural inclination for sleep and energy levels focus.
Are you a morning lark, a night owl, or somewhere
in between.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It affects everything, So forcing yourself to wake up early
might actually be bad if you're naturally a night owl.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Exactly, you should design your day around when you are
naturally most creative or focus could be morning, could be
after dinner.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
It's personal.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
That makes so much sense. I definitely tried the early
morning thing because everyone said so, and I just felt
foggy like I was fighting myself.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
You probably were working with your biology, not against it.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
That's key.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Okay, what's another myth?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Myth?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Three?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Taking breaks hurts productivity, the idea that you need to
power through.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, keep your head down, grind it out.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Nope, the opposite seems true. Breaks are critical, even short
micro breaks, getting up, walking around, checking in with family.
They actually boost your mood, your energy.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
So stepping away helps you do more when you come back.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Precisely forcing productivity without breaks, it just doesn't work long term.
You hit diminishing returns, make more mistakes.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Okay, I'm guilty. The next one, I think myth multitasking
makes you efficient.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Ah, the great multitasking lie. We all feel like we're
doing it right.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Jumbling emails, calls, project totally feels super productive, but the brain.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Isn't wired for it.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Switching between tasks takes a surprising amount of energy. It
can cost you up to forty percent of your productive.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Time forty percent just from switching.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, forty.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
So while it feels like you're getting more done, the
quality often suffers and you're actually slower overall.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
It's like cognitive whiplash.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Wow, okay, reality check. Indeed, so less multitasking, more focused work.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
That ties into myth seven. Working longer hours means better.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Results the core of the hustle myth really.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Absolutely, and research consistently shows productivity drops with excessive overtime.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
It's not linear.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
More hours does an equal more output after a certain point.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
You mentioned a stat about the US, right, the.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
US ranks thirteenth globally in productivity, but there are twelve
countries ahead of it where employees work fewer hours per year, so.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
They work less but achieve more per hour.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Essentially, Yes, it shows efficiency isn't just about time logged.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And think about the cost of burnout.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
One source put it at twenty one thousand dollars per
employee plus increased accidents, health issues.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
It makes that whole business equals productivity thing Mith eight
look pretty hollow exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
It's what some call pseudo productivity, looking busy, answering emails, constantly,
being visibly active, but not actually producing much of real value.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
It's about the deep work, the focused effort, not just
spinning your wheels.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Right, quality over just quantity.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Of time, and this relentless drive, this lack of rest.
It has serious health implications too, doesn't it beyond just
feeling tired.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Oh, absolutely devastating consequences. Our sources from the NCBI, the
National Center for Biotechnology Information, are pretty clear on this, Okay,
laid out for well, first the scale. We're talking fifty
to seventy million Americans with chronic sleep disorders. That's huge,
affect daily life, health, even how long people live.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
And the old thinking was just you get sleepy.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, that was the old dogma, that sleep loss just
meant daytime sleepiness. But that's been completely overturned. We now
know it impacts well, pretty much everything specifically Okay, consistently
getting less than about seven hours of sleep. It affects
your party, vascular system, your endocrine system, immune system, nervous system.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Wow, so all the major players, all of them.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Increased risk of hypertension, diabetes, obesity, depression, heart attack, stroke.
The list is long and serious.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
It's not just feeling groggy, it's tangible health risks.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Absolutely and specific disorders like sleep APNA are linked directly
to heart disease, stroke, even higher mortality rates. Insomnia is
linked to psychiatric issues. NACOLEPSI severely impacts daily life. Circadian
rhythm disorders mess with work, school, mental health.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
And the real world impacts errors in judgment.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Think major accidents like the Space Shuttle Challenger, which had
links to sleep deprivation, crashes, lower quality of life, more
healthcare needed.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Sleep isn't optional, it's fundamental.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Okay, So the picture is clear. Hustle culture is risky, unsustainable,
But is anything changing. Are people or companies pushing back?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
There are definite signs of a shift.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
At Zuna, the job search engine found something really interesting.
In March twenty twenty four, job listings mentioning anti hustle
terms things like work life balance were up three hundred
and fifty six percent compared to before the pandemic.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Three hundred and fifty six percent. That's massive, it really is.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
It shows companies, especially those desperate for talent, are realizing
they need to actively promote balance to attract people.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
The market is speaking, so it's not just employees wanting it.
It's becoming a business imperative.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Seems that way. Smart businesses are adapting, and.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
We found a great example of a leader who embodies
this shift, right Edward Guest.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, the COO and CFO of Unlimited. His whole philosophy
is basically the anti hustle what does he say.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
He says, quite directly, make sure that when you are
not working, you recover effectively, rest properly, and switch off completely.
And here's the key part. Rest is productivity.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Rest is productivity, not the enemy of it exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
He argues, you achieve more when you're fully recovered. It's
not about how much you do, but how much you
achieve in the time you actually dedicate to work.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Does he practice what he preaches?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Apparently so.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
He talks about his own commitment to recovery, like walking
seven kilometers daily while listening to audiobooks at double speed.
Interestingly enough, so still optimizing.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Huh okay, So it's about strategic recovery, not just laziness precisely.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And he's forward looking too. He thinks the old model
everyone in the office nine to five is gone forever.
Leaders need to be nimble, embrace change, use tools like
AI to work smarter, not just harder.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It's a totally different mindset. Value output, not just visible
effort value. Recovery is part of the process.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
So while we might not have cracked open the secret
diaries for a top five billionaire bedtime routines list.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Right, because the sources didn't really offer that specific kind
of listical.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Exactly, but what we have found is arguably more important.
It's this convergence successful forward thinking leaders like Guest and
the Solid Science all pointing to the same thing that
rest recovery. Understanding your own rhythms. It's not weakness, it's strategy.
It's essential for peak performance and frankly, sustainable success.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Okay, so let's boil this down. What are the key
takeaways the principles listeners can actually use based on everything
we've discussed.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
All right, let's list them out. First, understand your chronotype seriously,
stop fighting your body clock. Figure out when you naturally
have the most energy and focus, and try to structure
your most important work around those times. Don't just force
the early bird thing if.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
It's not you.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Okay, know thyself, biologically speaking, makes sense. Second.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Second, prioritize sufficient sleep. Aim for enough The science points
towards more than seven hours for most adults. This isn't
just about feeling less tired tomorrow. It's a long term
investment in your physical and mental health. Don't treat sleep
as a negotiable.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Expense, got it. Protect your sleep.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Third principle third embrace breaks Intentionally build short, unrelated breaks
into your workday. Get up, move, talk to someone about
something not work related. These aren't wasted minutes. They refuel you,
boost your mood, and actually make you more productive when
you return. Think of them as essential pit stocks.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Okay, brace are good. Actually.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Fourth, Fourth, focus on achieve, not just do shift your
whole mindset. Stop equating being busy or the number of
hours you sit at a desk with being productive. Identify
the high value tasks, the deep work that really matters,
and focus your energy there.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Like Edward Guest said, it's about what you achieve.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Quality over quantity of time makes sense. And the last
one and fifth, master the art of recovery. This is
crucial when you're not working. Learn to truly switch off,
disengage completely. Effective recovery is what allows you to be
fully present, focused, and energetic when you are working. Don't
just be always sort of on.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Okay, those are five really solid principles. Understand your chronotype,
prioritize sleep, embrace breaks, focus on achieving, and master recovery.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
It really paints a different picture of high performance.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Doesn't It absolutely does, and it makes you think, what
does success or wealth really mean? Is it just the
number in your bank account, accumulated at the cost of
your health, your relationships, or is real wealth something broader?
Does it include well being, the ability to perform at
a high level sustainably, and actually having a life that
feels balanced and fulfilling.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Maybe the most valuable asset we have isn't just our time,
but our truly rested, recovered and focused time
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Something definitely worth thinking about.
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