Gates Of The Annunaki W/ Jason Quitt

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Welcome, Welcome to Lighting the Volumesof All broadcasting live from a shock on
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new to us. Tonight, JasonQuitt is on the program. We're gonna
be talking about his as a newbook, Gates of the Onanaki. This
one's gonna get deep, folks,So you better strap in, all right.
If we open the phone lines up. When we open the phone lines
up, it's five oh one,triple seven fifty six thirty one. I
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So just go to the Fringe FMand grab those there. We're gonna
jump right into this with Jason Quit, who is here with us today,
an author, a speaker, wellknown in this community. I've been talking
to him for years now on theshow and I remember grabbing his first book
that I read, which was ForbiddenKnowledge, which blew my socks off because

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I was out of body guy.And now we have moved on from that
to Egyptian Postures of Power, AstralGenesis, and now the Gates of the
Onanaki adjacent's here with us. Thanksfor coming on the program. Brother.
This good to have you. It'sgood to be back. It's good to
have you. Man. I don'thave this book yet. But I'm grabbing
this book. I don't have ityet. I've watched a lot of your

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interviews. I'm stoked about it.How did we go from astral genesis to
this thing? Man? Well,that is the question, and the truth
is it has to do with theprocess of writing, and basically I kind

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of go in a direction and Ijust let it lead me completely. So,
for example, I was writing theEgyptian Postures second book, which is
the Salute to the Moon. SoI was going into the different moon gods
from different cultures and just kind ofreading these ancient texts, and one of

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the earliest moon gods there was thatwe know about. It's a Samerian moon
god named Nana, and it's oneof the earliest versions of the motif of
a moon god. Many people knowhim by his Samerian name, which is

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the god's sin. But when yougo back in time, Nana was basically
a herdsman, the shepherd. Hisimage was the bull, the bull's horn,
the crested moon. So you haveall these various symbols and stories that
predate even the Egyptian gods. Now, with the Samerian god Nana as the

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moon, what made him very interestingto me was that he was the father
of the Sun God. So inthe creation stories of the Samearians, the
moon god actually had more authority andmore power than Utu, who was the
sun god. It was actually hisson is the Sun God. So I

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was reading this text from a tabletcalled the Herds of Nana, and basically
this ancient tablet, which we reallydon't know how old these stories really are.
We just know from the fragments andthe tablets that we find and are
dated, and they're usually the earliestare from the fourth and third millennia,

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so we're going back like almost fivethousand years, four or five thousand years.
And in this text, it talksabout Nana, the god in heaven,
and basically it talks about his stables, his temples in heaven, and

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how many cows he keeps in eachof these stables. So it's a very
strange story. Yeah, sounds likea nursery rhyme, almost right, right
right. And he basically he dividesthese cattle from bowls to cows, to
young to old, to different colors, you know, which ones to eat,

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which ones not to eat, andhe numbers all of these and I'm
looking at these numbers that he's puttingto these cows, and these are huge
numbers, like one hundred and eightythousand of this type and fifty thousand and
four hundred of this type. Youknow. So it's like there's all these

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variations and I'm looking at these numbersand I go, these numbers are very
specific, and I've seen them before. They're not random numbers. And you
know, going back into ancient texts, most of the works are allegorical and
symbolic. So even though they're sayingone thing to the story or telling a

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story in one way, they're puttinginformation within the story that, you know,
if you understand what that information is, it changes the story completely.
Sure. Yeah, so that waskind of the first key that got me
interested in writing this book. AndI said, I've seen these numbers before,

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I've written about these numbers before,I know what they are. Let
me see if I can find themin other ancient Samerian tablets. And sure
enough, I've started to find thisnumber code within the Epic of Galgamesh,

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which is my favorite story, theDescent of Nana and the Samerian Kings list.
So this is very interesting because whenwe're looking at these ancient gods.
What we're seeing is that many peoplethink that the Samerian Kings list talks about

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a number of kings and kingdoms thatexisted pre flood, that went back in
time two hundred and forty thousand years, all right, So this is a
huge number that many researchers, especiallywith the ancient alien background, they'll look

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at these numbers and say, Okay, this proves the ancient gods. It
proves you know, the ancient alientheory about these gods living thousands and thousands
of years pre the flood, andit confirms what the Bible says, because
it's written way before the Bible.And I'm looking at this and I'm seeing

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a number code because some of thesekings they lived, Let's say, for
like one king, for example,lived forty three thousand, two hundred years.
Yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, there's something
hidden there obviously, right. Andyou know we know these numbers four three
two, right, like four thirtytwo herts. So this king is forty

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three thousand, two hundred years.And so I started looking at these numbers
and I said, okay, letme add them up. You know,
this kingdom there was two kings.Let's add those numbers together. How many
years did those kings live? AndI just kind of did that with the
different kings and the different kingdoms,and you get this sequence of numbers,

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and it's the same sequence of numberswe find in other stories and in other
places, and it even goes intobiblical texts thousands of years in the future.
So I pose the question is whyis why are these numbers put in
these stories and why are they continuallyrepeated over the span of thousands of years

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but with the same type of contextto them. And it opens up this
huge question about the Samerians and howthey basically dissected reality using numbers. And
we still use the Samerian systems ofnumbers today. The degrees of a circle

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three hundred and sixty degrees, wegot that from the Sumerians. The divisions
of the heavens into twelve constellations ofthirty degrees, we got that from the
Samerians. So all these numbers ofcycles of time, space and dimensions were
first put forth by these early Samerians. And it's not really explained how or

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why, or the spiritual or themetaphysical or even the mystical aspects of why
these numbers are important, and whythey were so important that we have thousands
of years of history of them repeatingthese numbers over and over again again and
passing them down through various stories andsacred texts. So this is what led

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me to write the book The Gatesof the Ananachi, and it completely changed
my view, completely changed my viewof the ancient gods of the ancient Ananachi,
and it put them in a completelydifferent light. I grew up obviously

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reading zacharaistitchen Man. Everybody loves that, right, and so you have that
kind of vision of you know,these ancient gods creating mankind, and you
know all those epics and stories andscience and all these things. Reading them

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again today after all these years,I got a completely different perspective, completely
different view, and I stopped seeingthem as these physical beings walk in the
earth or coming from heaven down toearth. I started to see them as
hierarchies or levels of creation. Sothe basically primeval forces of nature, just

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like the Egyptian Netru and the Egyptiangods. Each god basically represented an element,
they represented a planet, they representeda cycle of life, a season,
and their stories basically were created topersonify a god at that hierarchy of

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creation. So it was a completelydifferent, i would say, a complete
opposite interpretation of Zachariah Stitchen, wherethese aren't physical beings, you know,
editing our DNA and flying from planetNibru to Earth to my goal. These

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were stories used to convey a verydeeper or a very deep metaphysical or mystical
concept of their view of reality.Do you get something I did that on
purpose so stand in the test oftime or something like that. Absolutely.

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And the more that you study ancienttexts, especially Egyptian and Samerian, Akkadian
and Babylonian, you'll start to seethat storytelling is very important and they try
to make it as simple as possible, and they use very various motifs and

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themes to keep it memorable to bepassed down word of mouth for thousands of
years. And you know we stillhave them today because of that and writing
down tablets obviously, but it's whatthey're even using in biblical texts that we
have today and storytelling that we tellchildren. The easier it is to remember,

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the easier it is to be passeddown right, Yeah, like the
parables and stuff pretty much, youknow, like I would. So I
was raised on the Bible, andobviously the questions of that. It wasn't
really stitching. I found stitching later, but the questions of the Bible are
what got my attention. You know, the visions of Ezekiel and things like
that. It just didn't make sense, right, And so it goes from

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not making sense to people saying it'sspaceships, and then you look deeper and
you're like, well, these arejust these are astrological points of the zodiac.
It's even deeper than that. AndI think that's what you're trying to
show people in this book, right, it's deeper than the stories, than
our religion, even the astrology.Right. Yes, they're very complicated stories,

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and I think it's absolutely genius thatthey kind of interwoven the very complicated
understandings into simplistic stories. So likewhat you just said with Ezekiel and the
four the four angels or the fourcherubs or the four animals, which is
the Lion, the bowl, theeagle, and the man, which is

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the cardinal cross of the zodiac orthe solar crosses. We can call it
which basically is the movement of thesun through the constellations. And when they
say it's a wheel within a wheel, this is a very well known concept
of like the cosmic clock of theZodia. And the amazing thing is that

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that goes back to Egypt and you'llfind stories with the same thing, and
that will go back even to Samaria. So it's a very ancient understanding that's
continually passed down. And when youstart to go into these stories in this
book, what I did is Iactually did break it down astrologically as well,

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okay, and showed parallels in comparisonto Biblical texts or Roman or Greek
texts of the gods because they're repeatedover and over again. Even though the
characters' names may changed and the storylinesmay change, it's still the exact same
knowledge that's being passed down. Wow. So what does it come down to

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then? Right? Because what Istarted to get in from all of your
work so to and you know,I'm glad that you keep writing, man,
because I think that your help peopleexpand their consciousness in a way that's
entirely necessary. Because we've got tolook at the details, right, The
devils in the details. So asI've studied your work, I'm thinking you

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could tell me if I'm wrong here, But I'm thinking that, especially when
you started getting into geometry, thatthere's something metaphysical underlying here that has to
do with more. It's like atechnology of some kind, more geometry and
number than it really is. Andmaybe that might even be a limited understanding
to us, but that's a deeperway to see it, right. It's

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even right now I'm having a difficulttime comprehending the actual understanding or meaning of
this, right because look, wehave ten fingers, right, we have
ten, and the Samerians started withthe base ten system and then from there
they went from the base ten tothe base sixty, and so the Samerian

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numbering systems is six sixty, sixhundred and then three thousand, six hundred,
all right, So these are themain divisions of the Samerian numbering system
that they use, the bases thatthey used in numbering, and those numbers
basically describe creation. It. Youknow, creation is not perfect. So

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when you get these numbers, theseare like perfect sacred geometry numbers, like
a cube or a tetrahesion. They'reperfect angle the numbers. But then when
you get into let's say, likethe scale of the Earth and the Moon
and the Sun. Like we justhad an eclipse, right, the Moon

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is the perfect distance, has theperfect proportions in relation to the Earth that
from our perspective, they seem tobe the exact same size, even though
the Sun is ninety three million milesaway and it's four hundred times larger,

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you know it. But it linesup so perfectly that we say, well,
how can this be a coincidence?How does this work exactly? It's
too perfect. And what these numbersalso show is there's a perfection here.
There's a perfection between the Earth,the Moon, and the Sun. And

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this was known by the Samerians andpassed down since the Samerians. It could
have been much earlier. We don'tknow where this information really comes from,
how long the human race has hadthis information, but we have records that
the Samarians knew about it and theydocumented it in that precise sacred Jobe mathematical

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way, and they learned through numbers, and numbers are completely universal, you
know, we have you know,you could have one, you know,
two, three, four or fiveto ten. And this is a way
of communication. If you don't havecommunication, you could count with numbers.

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You can show something with measure.So I think this is a very advanced
system that we have. And thebiggest question that comes from this is is
this an intelligent design? Because everybody, not everybody, but in the past

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mystics have contemplated the idea of anarchitect or a great creator that created the
earth and the heavens. And youknow, when you start to see the
numbers line up and start to understandthe perfection between the Sun and the Earth

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and the moon, and how itcreates life, creates a cycle of life
here, it's hard to ignore thatthis can just be a random occurrence,
a random perfection in the universe.That everything has to be so specifically correct
that we will live here, thatwe will have biodiversity and life. And

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it has to do with the moon. If the moon was off or we
were a little further from the sun, we'd be dead. There's no surviving
this. Yeah, it's definitely implicationsof a creator or some form of created
technology or a creator or something,right, I mean, it definitely is.

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And so I've talked to people thathave read your book. I talk
to Gigi, who also does ashow on this network. He was on
here Friday and I listened to thatshow too, so and that you know,
in our community, we most ofus, we feel like that this
place was seeded by some kind ofancient race, which still may be the

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truth that it looks that way.And then I had for a few weeks
we've been going to what happens afterwe die? The whole delight is a
trick kind of thing, So we'vebeen digging into the deepness of these stories.
But I think you're tapped into somethingthat's a little bit more leaning towards
the truth, right. And Isay that because it has more to do

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with something that seems more reasonable tome. And I know that I hope
that's not just the left side ofmy brain talking, but number in geometry
seem to show more truth that whatyou've shown us is that all kinds of
stories can come out of right.And you know, when we take everything

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away, it comes down to thesetwo elements of creation that can be defined
as the circle and the square,you know, or the sphere or the
cube. And we know from freemasonryand secret societies and all these things that's
basically their symbol is the circle andthe square, and it's been passed down

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for so long. Where did thisinformation come from? Because you know,
the sphere and the circle, orsorry, the sphere and the cube.
When you look at their geometry,they both equal three hundred and sixty degrees,
you know. So this is avery interesting mathematical thing. And using

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the geometries, using the numbers,we're trying to define creation itself, you
know. So it's a little difficultto get into because there's a lot of
numbers, surely, you know.But the the whole point of it is

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that it's just it's not one sided. It's not like saying this number represents
this one thing, you know.It's this one number represents a fractal of
creation that you can find in manyplaces, you know. So it really
opens up this whole subject into newareas, I believe. And it also

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relates to the other book that Iwrote, the astral Genesis book, which
that was the the key to theopening up this language. And I call
it a language because I have noother way of defining what this is.
And basically it's a hidden language ofnumbers in geometry that are hidden side by

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side with stories, with artifacts,with architecture paintings that tell a very unique
story. So you know when you'relooking at an ancient artifact, which you
know, I break down many inboth Astral Genesis and Gates of the Annachi.

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When you break down these artifacts orthese hieroglyphs or wall reliefs, they
tell a story based on their angles, based on their geometry, and then
what they represent. So like inAstral Genesis, you'll have a let's say,

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a picture of a sun god,and then you measure the Sun God
and you realize that the whole pictureof the Sun God is created on an
angle of fifteen degrees thirty degrees intwenty three point five, which are all
numbers related to the movement of theSun and the heavens. So it's like,

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not only are they showing you apicture and saying this is the Sun
God, but if you measure it, all the angles that create the image
itself are telling the story of theSun's path in the heavens. So it's
like an encyclopedia of information hidden withinthe image itself. And I don't know

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anybody that's caught onto this, Andso that was the basis of Astrogenesis is
trying to decode the underlying geometry,the underlying angles of these images. And
then when we get into Gates ofthe Ananaki, we're going further back into
Sumerian times, at Kadian times,Babylonian times, and we're seeing the formation

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of this knowledge into the artifacts,into the tablets, into the architecture,
and it's telling a story that I'mtrying to piece together as best as I
can, because if what I havefound is correct, which I found hundreds

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of examples of, it tells methat there is this secret knowledge or a
secret understanding of creation and reality thathas been passed down since the Sumerians and
probably before the Sumerians, that it'sso advanced that you would have to be

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read into it. You'd have tobe initiated and taught this language and taught
how to transfer this information to futuregenerations. In the story right into religion,
maybe even into texts or yeah,and you know everybody is so separated.

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You know, my religion is betterthan yours, My God is better
than yours. Type understanding, andwhen you really dissect these sacred texts all
the way to the New Testament andgoing back to the earliest texts that we
know of, like the Descent ofNana, and you will find the same

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stories, the same motifs, thesame knowledge being repeated. So it's a
different story, but it has thesame things in it. In fact,
the Descent of Nana, which isat least four to five thousand years old,
so predates the Bible by thousands ofyears. And I think it's the

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first story that mentions the apple treeand the serpent, you know, really,
and so that's the earliest motif Ican find where it talks about this,
and it talks about it in avery interesting way. Basically, Inanana

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comes out of the underworld. Shewas down there tricked to basically go down
and stay in the underworld, andshe finally gets out, but she has
to be replaced so for her tocome out back to the world. And
many people know Inana as Ishtar,you know, it's easier to know Ishtar.

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But so she comes out of theunderworld and demons come with her to
take another person in to replace herin the underworld, and she comes to
find her husband, the king,sitting undering on his throne under an apple
tree, and she tells the demonsto take him to the underworld instead of

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her, and he he calls outto calls out to his brother Utu,
which is the sun god, andbegs him to transform him into a serpent
so that he could evade capture fromthe demons. Right, so Utu does
change him into a serpent, andhe he was eventually caught and taken.

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But then his sister, out ofremorse, says, you know, I'll
go down in his replace in hisplace for six months, and he'll come
out for six months, and youknow, going back and forth to the
underworld. And this has the themeof the spring and summer or winter and
summer, you know. So whenthey go down into the underworld, all

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life dies. And that's the firsttheme with the apple tree, because he's
there to basically protect the apple treeas the serpent a symbol of fertility,
and that when they're taking him downto the underworld, basically that it's the

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fall, right, you know.So it's an early adaptation of the cycles,
and it's the same exact story ofPersephon Persephigenome, sorry for my pronunciation,
but it's the Roman goddess Persephone who'staken down to the underworld by Hades

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and when she goes down because they'rethe the goddesses of fertility and agriculture,
so when they go down to theunderworld, everything starts stops growing. So
there's a problem. You know,Zeus says, this can't be. She
has to come out for six monthsand then you could have her for six
months so that you know, theworld doesn't die. So that's a Roman

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story that's like three to four thousandyears after the descent of Nana, but
it's the same story. Do youthink this is consciously done? What I
mean is is do you think thisis consciously done by someone or is it

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secret societies or that these or couldit be that these things are so inherent
in reality that we could even unconsciouslyjust by I don't know, making things
project the truth. I know thisis kind of deep, but a lot
of times people say, well,this is in Hollywood, this isn't stories,
and the same stuff's in religion andthere's some kind of they sold their

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soul to the devil to get this, and YadA, YadA, YadA.
But sometimes I wonder if it's likewe this is so inherent in reality that
when we do create, whether it'sstory are whatever. It just comes out
like the story comes out. Youknow, I would agree that there's a
collective archetype. You know, weall kind of do the same things,

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even if we're separated by time andspace basically. But when it comes to
these specific stories, you can actuallytrace them as they make their way from
text to text, and how theyevolve and change from culture to culture,
so you can see the influence thatyou know, other cultures. Let's say

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they come in and take over anothersociety. That society will have their myths
and their culture, and the newpeople that come in they'll take on that
and they'll kind of evolve it totheir narrative. So they build off of
those stories. And the reason whyI've moved away from let's say the Zacharaistitchen

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type understandings is that there's not onecreation story from the Samarians. There's many
different variations of it, you know, So how do you choose which is
the one you want to focus onand which is the true one, Because
you can see how those stories changeand evolve from the first stories in Samaria,

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then they get changed when you getto the Azarian Empire, and then
they start to change again back intothe Babylonian periods, and then from there
it's taken to the Old Testament.So you know, for example, there's
a lot of stories in the OldTestament that mirror Babylonian and ancient Samearian stories.

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For example, the Great Flood myth, it's identical to the earlier texts.
They talk about the giants, theNephilim, the fallen angels. These
are all stories that originally came fromBabylon, and then from Babylon from to

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his area and from Azaria back intime to Samaria. In fact, Galgamesh,
the Epic of Galgamesh, which isthe most famous story, basically he
is two thirds God, one thirdhuman. He's a giant, and he

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takes all the women for himself.Yeah, I know that story, you
know. So it's like he isbasically the archetype of the Nephelim that is
found in Genesis. It's like theysay, there is giants in this day
and they came from the pre floodand some of them survived, and that

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is literally word for word what's describedin the Epic of Galgamesh. Yeah,
so it's not like, you know, someone is just coming up with the
same stories there's a history of passingthese stories down, and it's not that

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far away. Like Mesopotamia and theBiblical Lands and Egypt are side by side.
It's not that far away from eachother. You know, we're talking
about modern day Iraq, Jordan,Syria, Israel, Egypt. You know,

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they're all connected to one another.Yeah's at some point though, something
had to have became secret. AndI was listening to some other shows that
you did, and you brought upan interesting point like so in the b
they talk about the Tower of Babel, right, and it makes you think

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like, at some point, youknow, power, We know it's human
nature that power corrupts, and absolutepower corrupts that whole saying and stuff.
But if everybody knows, like ifeverybody speaking the same language, or everybody
knows the same thing or whatever,then who's going to really have power?
So at some point some of thisstuff had to have been made a mystery,

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I would think, right, likedo you think there's something to that,
like on a deeper level that verseof you know, they built a
tower or whatever, and then theyhad to knock it down and make everybody
speak different languages and things like that. It's multi leveled, and it goes
with the theme that it's basically anothertheme of the Fall, like the Adam

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and Eve story, because you havelet's say, humans who now have gained
knowledge, and with that knowledge,they're building their tower to heaven basically,
and by doing this they have thepower of the gods. And because of
that, the gods are very worried. They come together and they say,

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we have to stop them from becominglike us, and so they come down
and punish them. Basically, theystop them from building the tower, They
separate them, they change their languagesso they can no longer have that ability.
It's the same thing with the Gardenand have Eaten story, where they

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eat of the fruit of knowledge andnow they know the world, they know
of good and evil, and whenGod finds out, the first thing they
think of is now that they knowand have knowledge. Of course, they're
going to eat of the fruit oflife and live forever and become gods like
us. You know, so becauseof that we have to punish them,

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cast them out. You know.This is the story of the Fall,
same exact theme. Okay, buteven in the book I go into this
whole Tower of Bappel story where Ireally do believe that there was a universal
language. It's it's very obvious tome right now that there was this knowledge,

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and it's the knowledge of heaven andEarth. It's the number of knowledge,
sacred geometry, the stars, thecycles, and the movements. This
is very profound knowledge, and oncewe understand that, we take control of
our reality. Like this is whenwe start to understand when to plant,

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when to harvest, how where tomove on the planet Earth, where to
build. You know, it's avery ancient science and knowledge, and this
knowledge is so advanced that I reallybelieve that it was taken for the power.
They are the people in control,and it was only held for the

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initiative in secret societies. So itwas slowly taught and passed down to those
that were initiated into those orders.And that's why we still have this knowledge
today. But publicly this is notavailable information. Yeah, because like a
long time ago, it was thepriest craft that ran things in order to

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be especially in old Egypt, inorder for you to be an Egyptian king,
you'd have to know like theurgy andalchemy and stuff like I don't know
if that's what they called it then, but you had to know the mysteries.
You had to go through their spiritualteaching and all this stuff and understand
more than what your flock did,which is why they had to crook and

(39:57):
everything, you know, because theyknew more. But somewhere along the line,
yeah, I would think it waswhen the library got burnt down.
They were like, I mean,look at all this knowledge, man,
we could take this stuff for ourselves, and power just started corrupting absolutely as
they say, you know, evenworse. And you know, that's why
we find ourselves in the position we'rein today. And this is why I

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write, and this is why Ispeak, because you know, it's like
six thousand years of broken telephone.We just don't have the right information.
And because we don't have the rightinformation, we have a distortion of reality.
And because of that distortion of reality, the mass public, the populations

(40:45):
of the earth are kept in completeand utter ignorance. And because of this,
they're so easy to control and manipulate. And like you said, with
the priest craft, you know,the words in these texts are used.

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You know, I don't hope Idon't offend anybody, but this is history.
It's used to control people in theworst ways possible, you know,
to you know, to wipe outother groups or you know, they put
themselves as the intermediary between you andGod. Yeah, and it was only

(41:30):
through what they said and you hadto obey them and their orders for you
to be accepted into let's say,the Kingdom of God. And that is
a fundamental inversion of reality because thatkingdom is within you. And that's actually

(41:52):
a quote from the Bible itself.You know, it's it's in you,
You are it, and it's youknow, this is a it's a stupid
illusion if you think about it,right, because when you wake up to
it and you're like, well,you start realizing how powerful everybody is as
individuals. And then if they actuallybelieve that, well, no, we're

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codependent on other things spiritually and creativelyand all this other stuff. It starts
to become very scary because these peoplenot only don't know that their own powers
and what they're capable of, andI don't mean like evil power, but
you know, spiritual power. Thenyeah, it becomes it becomes a scary
place because, like you said,the information isn't fully there, it's not

(42:38):
all the way out. Even thoughwe're getting closer to it, and I
think you're helping us do that,But then we're still bombarded with a lot
of confusion, you know. LikeI said, I've got a listener who's
on the edges of the ends ofhis life and he's reading all this information
and a lot of these stories frankly, scare the hell out of them,

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you know. But when you lookat the underlying sacred geometry and the number
and the power of things, andit's in you, then it kind of
makes it less scary, you know, because you're you're in control of more
than you think you are, youknow, yes. And the thing is
is that with sacred with sorry,with secret societies, it's all about the

(43:20):
initiations and giving keys. Right,So as let's say you're you're given the
key to some certain knowledge. Theknowledge is already there, all right.
So let's say you have the Bibleor a book and you read this whole
thing and you think you know whatyou read, you think you know the
story, and then someone comes alongand says, Okay, now apply this

(43:44):
knowledge and read it again. Andthen you read it again, it's completely
different. Yeah, your your perceptionhas completely changed, and it's altered the
way you've the it's altered the informationin the book. And so you know,
when you're dealing with people that justread the literal word and they don't

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understand and they get very scared ofthis said, the first reaction is they
think that you're trying to go againsta word or you're trying to say something
different that's in the Bible, youknow. And I'm trying to show just
even quoting the Bible or a differenttext, I'm trying to show you that

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the original authors put this in there. Yeah, you know I didn't write
this. They wrote this. Yeah. They put the riddle of the Sphinx
in there, right, So Idon't know why that wouldn't be in there
if we're not supposed to figure outwhat it means. Why would anybody and
I've always said this to people too, Jason, why would anybody put puzzles

(44:49):
into a story for you not tofigure it out? Like, I mean,
there's some literal puzzles in there thatyou know, if you have any
common sense, are supposed to lookat that and go that doesn't even make
literal sense. I need to figureout, like what's the ox, the
line, the bull and the man, right, or the bull, the
eagle, the line and the man, what does that even mean? You

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know, they're supposed to try tofigure it out. The issue is that
you can spend your lifetime doing thisor lifetime is doing this because there's so
much information, Like even just dissectingthe birth of Jesus, you know,
it is so symbolic. There's somany things in there that open up rabbit

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holes of astronomical alignments, and it'sjust too much. And when you really
start to put the pieces together,it just completely blows your mind. You
know, like you know, theVirgin Mary, you know that's Virgo that

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they it's the House of Bread.There's there's so much. It's the baptism
of Jesus, it's you know,he's the fish. They call it Jesus
the Fish because you know, Pisceswe're entering the agyp of But so there's
there's all these things and I justmentioned a few, but like I literally

(46:20):
wrote like a whole chapter in theEgyptian Book Book of or the Egyptian Postor's
Book just specifically on the astrological codewithin that story. And even to even
the past week, I've learned somenew things that completely change that, uh,

(46:44):
not really change it, but likejust at a whole other level,
whole other level of even the words. You know, the word mary,
what's the root of the word mary, Like it comes from the word murr,
which is you know, water likea river. And you get into

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these two levels of baptism, whichis coming in through the earth, which
is the earth sign of Virgo,and then leaving at the spiritual birth of
water and pisces. Like there's thiswhole code that's written in the stars that
they took this information and they cleverlywrote a story. They go, how

(47:29):
do how do we put this informationand change it into a story. So
it's just crazy, No, it'scool. It's actually really cool. I
learned a lot of this through studyinghermetics and the Western mysteries of the Golden
Dawn and stuff. Right, Likepeople think it's all about magic and making

(47:50):
shooting fireballs out of your ass andmaking stuff manifest, but it's not that
at all. It's learning the mysteriesof all this stuff, you know,
and then as you learn, youprogress through you know what herme's called the
sun or the sun, the Moonand the stars or the Earth, the
Moon and the Sun or the Yeah, the earth, moon and sun and
stars. That's the whole progression ofthe mysteries. And even that stuff has
things hidden inside of it. Andwhen you really dig it starts tripping me

(48:15):
out. And I know you understandwhat I'm saying. We're gonna have to
take a break here, but itstarts tripping me out when you see the
geometry and the numerology of things.And I think there's a lot of people
that are talking about sacred geometry anda lot of people talking about numerology.
But being able to put all thestuff together, the stories, you know,

(48:36):
the characters and the stories, thearchitecture, the names of these people,
what they mean, the etymology,and all of this stuff, and
then put it in a line andsay it's all saying the same thing is
really what we're trying not it's thesame thing, but different things, right,
But it is what we're trying towake up to. And our brains
are trying to I think, justnow, trying to comprehend. Oh,

(48:58):
someone can tell me a story hasseven different meanings inside of it and they're
all true. How's that possible?Right? Our brains need to comprehend that,
you know, And the more Iknow and the deeper I get with
this information, it's whoever put thisstuff together originally. There's just on another
level, like I cannot comprehend thegenius that it took or the years of

(49:23):
study and knowledge to then take thatand put it in these type of texts.
Yeah, it's insane. It's reallyinsane. I want to ask you
some questions about that too. Youguys to go check out Jason's book.
His website is the crystalsun dot com. Grab this book. I mean you
should have all of Jason's books ifyou're following this thing for sure, but

(49:46):
grab this book. Check it out. We'll be right back with Jason Quit.
If you got any questions, dropthem in the chat and we may
open the phone lines up to herejust shortly. We'll be right back.
Stay with us here with Jason Quit. His new book, Gates of the
Onanaki. Go check it out thecrystalsun dot Com. Guys, we need

(50:07):
your support. We can the samelike we're leaning on the same people support.
And by the way, thanks forthe five dollars sticker there, hound
Dog, big shout out to you, brother. So Jason quits here with
us. Here's the thing about thisbook. You can tell by this interview,
and I've watched the other interviews thatthis book is so packed full of

(50:28):
information that you're going to have toread it from start to finish. And
it's because Jason's kind of reveals thiswhole pattern and code and what's happening throughout
the whole book. You've got toread it from start to finish. Like
we can't do picture books anymore,even though would be nice to be able
to flip through picture books and understandthe whole universe. But this is some

(50:49):
really cool stuff. From talking toGigi already and everybody that's told me about
the book, you need to grabit and we'll probably I'm betting you.
Yeah there's a picture of papers.Yeah, there's lots of pictures. So
I should have asked, like Ishould have gotten the book before I did
the interview, But I really justwanted to talk to you about it because
I got excited when I heard youon Gigi's show, and because I'm a

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bigger medicist dude, Like when Isee things, it's not like I'm trying
to validate her meticism and say thisis reality, but when I see everything
coming together right through people that Iknow that are bringing this information out.
I want to know about it,right, Like, so the tree of
life, inside the Flower of life, things like vortex math, that stuff

(51:34):
is on the table now and there'seven actors in Hollywood saying, oh,
all our math and science is wrong, and it's all over YouTube now.
So I think I'm kind of excitedabout this stuff coming out. Actually,
it is what I'm saying. Sowhat do you think about that? Do
you think this whole we've got thiswhole thing wrong, even possibly mathematically and
scientifically. I think we do.On I think level. I think that

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we've come a long way. Butif we continue to survive for another couple
hundred years, I'm sure we willlook back at this time as we've we're
off track, you know, sowe'll always find new things. But I
don't know the future, yeah right, Tesla was onto something. Though.

(52:22):
I think Tesla knew the future.I do. I think he saw into
it or something. Man, Teslais actually like one of my huge heroes.
I love Tesla and everything he did, and you know he you know
him saying the key to the universeis three six and nine. You know,

(52:45):
he's really revealing some things just withthat statement. Yeah, and that's
actually one of the keys that opensup this numerology numerology language, which you
know, I just want to saya lot of this stuff is very difficult

(53:05):
to explain on the radio I have, Like in the books, there's a
lot of graphs, there's a lotof pictures to show what I'm talking about.
So it's difficult to elaborate with wordswhat this actually means. But Tesla

(53:30):
was really onto something. And evenTesla back then he said that even even
we didn't even understand electromagnetism, hesaid, we were wrong about that.
So we're still using electromagnetism based onthings that are one hundred plus years old.

(53:52):
That even Tesla said one hundred yearsago was wrong and we were not
using it correctly. You know.So if we, for example, knew
what Tesla actually was talking about,we may have a completely different technological world
and a completely different understanding. ButI think they do know it, and

(54:17):
they do understand it, but theykept it out of public domain so that
those technologies would not be accessible tous at this time. The real trippy
question here is is did the Babyloniansknow vortex math. That's what I was

(54:38):
thinking when I heard your other interview, Like, I was thinking, did
they know like vortex math? Becausewe don't want to get away from the
idea that I know, it's hardfor us to get away from the idea
that we were seated by aliens quotealiens. But I don't think we even
understand all of that just yet.I think we were definitely like, does
this show like it definitely was acreated world? When you look at Darwin

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and evolution based on your research,does it show this more or less?
I mean, that's that's a deeptough question. But I think I think
Darwin is full of shit, honestly, especially about the natural selection. I
really do. I think he's fullof shit. I think I'm biased because

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I'm human. You know, itcould be I could be being biased too.
But the thing is is that wehave these numbers within the human body
as well. So the human bodyhas this numbering system of proportions and sacred
geometry, and the Earth has it, the moon has it, the Sun

(55:45):
has it, the stars have itfrom our perspective, right, so how
can this be a coincidence? Andthe only thing I can think of is
what if we are bound by mathematicallaws, so that in this dimension,

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in this reality on planet Earth,to survive, we have to follow a
very specific resonance of vibration just toinhabit this space. Yeah, I give
what you're saying. Yeah, Solike we're talking about let's say like aliens
from another world, right, youknow, they can come here and you

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know, if this is a differentatmosphere, different vibration than there's different gravity,
different everything. You know, theymay come here and just melt.
You know, we don't know thesethings. So we're like, we're designed
a very specific way for our environment. So the environment itself dictates what type

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of life can exist within that sphereof reality. So is that why we've
come with to these numbers? Isthat why we've created these systems that measure
these things and could relate and talkabout how everything is connected. Maybe it's

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only connected from our perspective on Earth. Maybe once you leave the Earth,
Sun and the Moon, it's acompletely different system. You know. You
know, what if you're you're bornand you only have like two fingers and
two toes one, you know,I don't know how it is a completely

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different biology, completely different atmosphere,completely different suns and stars. You may
have a completely different resonant understanding ofnumbers in the universe because that's the only
thing that matters to you and yoursurvival and your life. So it's a
very deep question. Again, Idon't have the full understanding or answer to.

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No. No, I get that, but from our perspective infinitely and
finitely, or even if we lookat only from our perspective infinitely and finitely,
when we look at the sun andthe moon and how it all lines
up, or we look at thecenter of a rose and we're basically seeing
the golden ratio spiral out. We'reseeing all of the mathematics and fractals inside

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of that flower. We're also seeingthe masculine and the stem and the feminine
and the yoni and the flower.Right, we could just trace it all
the way down to zero and watchconsciousness that explode. But we can't see
behind it, right, We can'tsee behind it at all, you know.
And again, the circle is auniversal concept. The sun is a

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sphere, you know, the planetsare a sphere. We have this kind
of constant mathematical understanding. And again, when you take that sphere, that
circle, make it two dimensions,and you take the two like a dividing
cell, and you create the vesicapisces. Just the act that is literally

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the first act of creation. It'sthis separation of this one becoming two,
and all these mathematical numbers come outof that division of two circles. And
in the book, I show howyou can actually create the fifty one point
eight four degree triangle, which isthe math of the pyramid, just from

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the two circles of the vesica pisces. And so we say this is the
first act of creation, is thedivision of the two circles, and it
creates the triangle of the fifty onepoint eight four dig three triangle. So

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when you just know that, justjust the basis of this, I would
say that is universal. It doesn'tmatter what planet you're on. You take
two circles and divide it, youget fifty one point eight degrees, all
right, based on whatever numbering systemthat you put, it'll be the same
triangle the builders of the pyramid.Now, if we take the date,

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the historical date of the pyramid thatwe're taught in school, which is about
forty five hundred years ago, andthen we would say that whoever built the
pyramid or designed the period pyramid.They knew about the vesica pisces. They
knew about the division of the circle, because that creates the fifty one point

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a four degree pyramid. So whotaught math? Who taught math, who
thought it was important enough to teachmath as a language as far back as
before the pyramids? Because we findthe same numbers going back to Samaria again,

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and it's the same numbers of theFlower of life, same numbers of
the platonic solids. And those numbersare then mirrored in physical creation. It's
mirrored in the physical body. It'smirrored in the architecture, like I said,
of the pyramid, and in otherstructures. But it's also mirrored in

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the dimensions of the Earth. It'sin the dimensions of the moon, it's
in the dimensions of the sun.It's also in the orbits, the distances
in the orbits between the planets,and in the human body as well too.
Everything those numbers are there, andthey're very specific numbers. And like

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I said earlier, it's not onehundred percent perfect. There are some instances
where it is actually one hundred percentperfect. But when you look at the
purest form of mathematics of let's saythe platonic solids and the angles, and

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then you look at the scale orthe size of the Earth and the moon
and the sun. It's like ninetynine point ninety nine percent accurate to the
number. You know, it's it'snot eighty percent or seventy percent close,
it's ninety nine point nine percent accurate. And that point zero, zero,

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zero, or zero. Something that'sleft over could probably be just what consciousness
is, you know, who knows? Man? You know, right,
So we have let's say like theperfection of we can say the perfection of
God, which is like the perfectnumber that can defined as geometry. So
let's say like the perfect tetrahedron,as you know, very specific angles,

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goes to seven hundred and twenty degrees, so it's very specific geometry. And
then let's say you come into creationand it's not seven hundred and twenty degrees.
It might be seven one hundred andtwenty one degrees, you know,
so you might be off by thatone, but it's still so close,

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Like how do you say this isby chance or coincidence? So then that
you know, we're talking to alot of different communities here on this show.
So if I asked you, Jason, based on your research with this,
what it seemed to describe an actualcreated simulation. A simulation is a

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whole lot of concept, but itcould be a program of some sort that
we just don't understand. Right again, you know, these are words that
we're using because we're familiar with thesimulation, because we're on a simulation right

(01:04:14):
now using the computer. What Iwould say is that there is some type
of laws or intelligent design that exist. How they exist and why they exist?
That is the question. Because clearlyit does exist. We find it

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in everything. We find it inlife. We find it in form and
structure, and you know, wecould even see it in the mineral world.
How crystals grow. You can lookat a pyrite crystal. It grows
in a perfect cubic form. Itnature is amazing. But it follows this
fundamental law that cannot be denied.So what do we call it? Do

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we call it a simulation? Dowe call it a created reality? Do
we call it, you know,a higher being created this? I think
the closest truth that we can findis through dimensions. And when I say
that, what I'm talking about isthat as a third dimensional reality is what

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we call it is a third dimensionalreality, that there is a higher level
or a higher dimension above us thatwe may be the shadow of that we
cannot experience because we are in thethird dimension. But there is a fourth
dimension and a fifth dimension and somethingabove that that basically is the blueprinter structure

(01:05:58):
that is creating this reality, orwe are the shadow of this or of
that reality. So all right,then this is an even bigger question.
We're just speculating here. This isrupe and quit right, just speculating here.
So then both of us have beenout of body. Obviously you've traveled
more than I have. Right,Could I somnic shows us that things are

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vibrated on it? You know,at certain vibrations things make certain shapes,
right, how things become dense andhow they come together as a whole nother
thing. But we know vibration makescertain shapes. And in the astral realm
there are all kinds of blueprints andvibrations and illusions and all kinds of things.

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Right, could the fourth dimension itselfbe that world? Even if it
was, though, something is stillmaking sure that this world is perfect regardless
of how elusive that world can be. There is this fundamental structure, and
you know, you can see itwith a magnet, the electromagnetic Taurus field,

(01:07:04):
or for text math, it followsthis kind of donut Taurus shape,
which I think is the fundamental geometryof this universal creation. Follows this donut
Taurus shape, which again follows thetwo dimensional flower of life, creates the

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platonic solids, what creates the boundaries, what creates the electrons, the photons,
what creates this physical world? Tofollow that geometry design? And where

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is that geometry design come from?And again I think that that is the
shadow of the fourth dimension, andthat because we come from a higher dimension,
we are strongly bonded to that fundamentalreality. And that fundamental reality,

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like a vibration, like a soundof mandala, holds that geometry in place,
and the elements of creation not onlyare attracted to it, but they're
bound to it. They're bound tothat Taurus field. It's in everything,
And then you know, well,what's above that? I don't know,

(01:08:35):
how can we see it? Idon't know. I don't either. I
have a theory that the conscious explorationcould help us see it, but I
don't think we're going to be ableto see it with our five senses right,
like not in that sense. Ifeel like, I know this sounds
why I could do, man,But I feel like all of us should
be doing everything possible in the worldto start to start getting out of body

(01:09:00):
right to like learn our spiritual nature. And a lot of people are still
just afraid of it. But Idon't think we're going to get any hardcore
answers until we get to that.I know some people think it was seated
by aliens, but what if aliensare just astral beings that understand this right,
you know, like we don't knowthat we don't know, and you

(01:09:23):
know, I've and I could bewrong, but at least we tried,
man, Because I don't think we'regoing to find the answers here to that
question, even though everything is sofascinating. You know, see, I
got my start there. So it'slike having these out of body experiences led
me on this path of research anddiscovery. Our thoughts, what we believe

(01:09:48):
do influence that, you know,so you know, when you go out
of body and you know you'll seealiens out of your body. The weird
stuff A lot of entities, alot of weird things, and because of
what we're taught or not taught,we kind of create what that reality is

(01:10:13):
from our perspective, which changes aswe evolve, which changes as we get
more information. So, you know, I look at it and I could
just kind of simplify it is that. And this goes back to mysticism and
all these things, is that wehave two births or two baptisms, and

(01:10:36):
we're first spirit. We come fromlet's say the cosmic ocean of spirit,
which is the dark waters in mysticism, the void, and you come into
the physical body and you're basically boundwithin the physical body and your birth through
the waters, and the womb ismade out of salt water. You come

(01:10:58):
out of the womb, you breatheyour air, and it just locks the
spirit within the body. Now thespirit is asleep. This is what many
people, you know, don't understand, is that the spirit goes to sleep.
It's like goes into hibernation when itenters the physical body. And then

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you live your life. And thenat the age of thirty, this is
when you reach your peak. Ohman, it's over man, right,
So when you're in your thirties,you reach your absolute peak of perfection,
and then the body starts to godownhill slowly, but it does. You
know. That's where we are,where we're at. But at the age

(01:11:43):
of thirty, that's when your spiritstarts to awaken again. So your spirit
starts to come out of its slumberaround your thirties. This is why in
the Bible, you know, whendid Jesus get baptized thirty three? No,
No, he got baptized that whenhe was thirty. He died when
he was thirty three. Yeah,right, got baptized when he was thirty.
And but they talk about the twobaptisms in there too, of both

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water and fire. Yes, yes, And what I'm what I'm trying to
say is that the out of bodyexperience is that baptism of fire, all
right, It's the leaving of thephysical form after the spirit is awakened.

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And so when the every person isgoing to have an out of body experience
when they die, every single person. That's how it works. So your
spirit awakens, the physical body dies, you go back to the world of
spirit. Now what we're talking aboutwhen you say everybody has to leave their
body and figure it out. Yeah, and did I sound like that when

(01:12:53):
I did sound like that when Isaid it. Yeah, this thing is
that it's you basically have to dieto leave your body. Yeah, it
is a form of death. Andthat's why it's like the second baptism.
So what you're doing is you're forcingan awakening of the spirit again to be

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conscious and then to have just likethe Shaman of the Masters, You're gonna
have one foot in one world andone foot in the other world, and
you're going to be the bridge orthe portal between the worlds. That's a
lot for a person that is notproperly initiated into it, or I would

(01:13:41):
say that if you're not fully groundedand you have no clue what you're doing,
it could be quite a hell ride. You know. Scaring me,
man, you're scaring me, Like, but I hear you when you just
what you just said makes a lotof sense. Because for the first out
of body experience that I had,I did have to relax to a point

(01:14:02):
of it felt like death, Likethe body doesn't work anymore. You know,
you have to get to that pointwhere you vibrate and your body shuts
off, and it's kind of it'sscared. Some people, I got excited.
But now that you put it thatway, it is pretty much like
the body does have to die foryou to be out of the body in

(01:14:26):
a sense, you know, andthe mind freaks out. The mind freaks
out because you don't know if you'regonna come back. That's the way I
felt when the first couple times isthe mind is basically shattered because it's almost
like you're going through the process ofdeath while you're still alive. And there's

(01:14:49):
been a lot of initiations going backto I don't know about Samaria, but
I know definitely in Egypt that youknow, they they'd place you in the
pyramids or place you in the sarcophagus, and they go through the ritualistic death
and resurrection where they could even giveyou specific plant medicines for example, to

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kind of push you out. Andsometimes these plant medicines are very strong where
you have no control, You cannotstop the process from happening. You just
have to go along with it.And you you know, a lot of
people really freak out because they can'tstop the process of the body. Yeah,

(01:15:36):
you can't make it go away.Yeah it's good. Yeah, I
get that. And you know,there Have you done that? Was that?
Have you done ayahuasca? Yes?Yes? Really, Okay, I
didn't know that. Actually I don'tthink. Yeah, I don't talk about
it too much. But when Ifirst started to leave my body, I

(01:16:00):
really got into Terrence McKenna, right, you know. I started to talk
about my out of body experiences andsomeone came to me. He's like,
man, you gotta read Terrence McKenna. So I read all about it,
and I couldn't believe that you canhave these experiences by let's say, taking
mushrooms or taking ayahuasca. So I'mlike, okay, let's give that a

(01:16:26):
try. You know, this islike twenty years ago. But it's different,
That's all I could say. It'sdifferent doing it naturally and doing it
with medicine for me is too completelydifferent. I think they're both valid experiences,

(01:16:48):
but they for me, they're separate. They're they're different experiences. Okay,
because I've never done like I've doneDMT. But I didn't get out
of body, but I did.You know. It kind of goes back
to what you're saying about the Bible. In these texts. There's versus,
not just in the Bible, butmost people know the Bible. So I'm

(01:17:09):
going to bring it up that sayI saw this vision, but whether I
was in the body, and theysay it specifically, whether I was in
the body or out of the body, I don't remember. You know,
this is very well known. Imean, if you if you go back
to like Egyptian texts, I mean, there is stories written about people having

(01:17:30):
conversations with their soul. There's storiesabout you know, them entering the underworld
while they're still alive. There.Even Plato wrote a whole story about the
person that came back from a neardeath experience, you know, and talked
about their out of body experience.So this is very well known back then.

(01:17:55):
It is written in these stories,and a lot of them are visions,
a lot of them market like evenangels. Like a lot of the
stories of angels basically come when you'resleeping, just like an alien abduction type
of thing. But then there's storieswhere they come and you serve them dinner.

(01:18:16):
You know, yeah, the godsshowed up to my house and you
know I fed them, and yeah, I get what you're saying. So
you have both types of stories,and people get angry with me, like
I'm not gonna lie. People getupset with me, especially in the UFO
community, because I've had experiences withwhat people would describe as gray aliens,

(01:18:45):
reptilians, mantids, you know,the very stereotypical aliens that people talk about.
But they all occurred sleeping in anout of body state, right you
know. And then people will say, oh, well, you know they're
just kind of wiping your memories ordoing something weird, And I said,

(01:19:10):
no, it's like you learn andtrain yourself to leave your body and in
that next world, in that otherworld, they're right there, or some
of them are right there. Sometimesyou have interactions with them. I'm not
discounting the fact that people may seeUFOs in the sky, or an alien

(01:19:30):
may come out of a UFO andgreet somebody physically. What I'm what I'm
saying is that the physical experiences areprobably extremely rare, whereas the spiritual experiences
of the out of body connection tothese things, it's probably ninety to ninety

(01:19:50):
five percent the spiritual side, theother dimensional side, whereas maybe five to
ten percent is physical interaction with anexperience. Well, just to back you
up on that, even Whitley Streemerwhen he came on here and told me
that because he went to them inRoe Institute and learned about how to he

(01:20:14):
got into exploring consciousness more, wentto them in Roe Institute and realized.
He even said, I think that, looking back on it now, the
experience I had when I wrote Communioncould have definitely I could have tapped into
some kind of interdimensional thing or outof body state, you know, to
seen or interacted with these beings.You know, a lot of people do
think it's they the spaceship came in, they kidnapped you, and then they

(01:20:38):
wiped your memory, and then theyput you back in bed, you know,
And it could just be that youwere in another state that you're not
aware of, you know. Andsome people they'll have these experiences completely awake
during the daytime and they'll see somethingor they'll communicate with something, and they'll

(01:21:00):
be witnesses near them, and thewitnesses don't see a thing. That's so
crazy you think about, you know, so how does this happen? The
only way I could explain it isthat we're multi dimensional and we can tap
into other wavelengths of frequency that thesethings could inhabit, and we can be

(01:21:24):
called into or resonated into into thatexperience even though no one around us can
see it or witness it. Andwhen it gets out of hand, you
know, people would call it schizophrenia. Basically, that's the medical term for

(01:21:44):
it. So where do you doyou think with this new book, Gates
of the Onanaki, right, whichwe're all going to get and we're all
going to read it from start tofinish. I guess I go back to
the question is is do you thinkit's possible to find the answers to those
big questions? Number one, That'sa question I've never asked you, right,

(01:22:08):
because I get so many people tocome on here and go, nah,
you know, there's stuff you're nevergoing to know anyways. It's just
we need to understand that it's fascinating. I don't like that. I like
to know things. You know,I want to know man. You know
what I can what I can clearlystate is that this information opens up a

(01:22:30):
whole other intelligence and knowledge about ourpast. We are so divided and separated
that this information could bring us togetherinto a knowledge that the human race did
actually have thousands of years ago thatwe don't have anymore or not acknowledged anymore.

(01:22:54):
It offers a spiritual side, ametaphysical side of knowledge that we are
connect to the Earth, to themoon, to the sun, to the
stars, and that that information isencoded within the physical body itself. So
it gives us this kind of connection. You know, everybody's looking for a

(01:23:14):
connection to the Source, or toGod, or you know, whatever you
want to call it, to nature. Right, And this is not an
abstract concept like if you just believeit, it will be true. This
is not what I'm discussing at all. What I'm discussing is there's physical,
tangible knowledge and evidence that exists thatonce you understand it, you can see

(01:23:41):
that you are completely connected to asystem. You are part of this network,
this system, this resonance, whateveryou want to call it, and
that it basically proves in my mind, it proves this mystical spiritual connection that

(01:24:06):
we're bound by certain laws. Butit goes more, it goes way more
deeper than that, because what thissays, and what this really means,
is that we are part of thewhole. Our spirits, our souls,

(01:24:28):
whatever you want to call the intelligentintelligence in another dimension is eternal. It's
part of this makeup and it cannavigate this makeup. And if we start
to understand this, and this isI think the purpose of initiations and secret
societies and all this stuff that washidden, is that it brings you into

(01:24:53):
this kind of connection where you startto understand your place and things, understand
a side of you that I cancall the God's side of you. All
Right, we have our physical identities. So I'm Jason, You're Joe.
You know, people are listening tothis. We're all individual people with individual

(01:25:15):
needs and responsibilities and paths in life. We're all individuals, but we also
are connected to the same fabric ofcreation, and we're in a boundary and
a body. But if we candissolve that boundary, we can move the
mind and consciousness into this kind offabric of energy that extends out to everything.

(01:25:41):
So I can dissolve the identity ofJason, which is quite scary to
do, and by dissolving that,the energy leaves the body and it becomes
part of the earth, where itbecomes part of the sky or becomes you

(01:26:01):
know, it's very difficult to putwords to describe what I'm talking about,
but basically you realize that what wecall God or source or just nature itself,
the other side of physical reality.We are that as well. We're

(01:26:27):
not just Jason and Joe. We'realso the cosmos in the universe experiencing itself
basically in the simplest terms. Butto experience that, I think that's what
you're talking about, as everybody hasto leave their body. But it goes
beyond that. Yeah, no,I know, it goes way beyond that.
I just think I think that,like you were talking about, we

(01:26:47):
can only understand perspectives inside of thereality that we're perceiving in, right,
That's all that we can do.So in our bodies, we can only
understand the perspectives inside that reality asJoe or Jason or whatever, or that
we're humans on the earth, we'reinside that too. It's like a fractal

(01:27:08):
thing, right, But when wego out of body, we start to
get outside that small fractal we couldThis is why we take in etheric double
with us into the astral realm,because we're still holding on to that consciousness
of that, you know, thatfractal of Joe or Jason. Right.
What I would say is that ourother self. I'm just putting this in

(01:27:32):
words because I can't. That's theonly way I can do it. We
have an other self that is soforeign, foreign to us that we do
not recognize it, and it's basicallyalien to us, but that is literally
us as well, you know,So it's very difficult to explain, Like

(01:28:02):
how do you say, you know, you leave your body and you see
this thing that you know scares thecrap out of you because you don't know
what it is, but it's alsoyou, you know, like, how
do we integrate that? How dowe who do we even talk to about

(01:28:24):
this? This is like I'm talkingto you about this. I can't even
find the words there is. Thereis no support system. There's no people
that have traveled out that far tocome back and say here's the map.
You know, this is what we'vefound. And I know they're trying to

(01:28:45):
do that with DMT, they're tryingto map the d MT universe. But
I don't think that's it possible.I don't think that's possible because I think
it's being co created as you're experiencingit. I don't think it's possible.
You know, I've talked to everyconscious explorer that I know of that has
been out pretty far. Like youand Thomas Campbell and William Buelman. I

(01:29:09):
could think of some more right,and there's you know. The only thing
that I know that like William Bullmanand a couple of other conscious explorers have
said, is that what I wasjust saying is this identity to our etheric
body. We still have an individualityin this fractal thing. But as he

(01:29:29):
kept traveling, he would he startedletting go of his identity, and his
arms went away, and his legswent away, and then he just became
like this ball of light. Butyet he still had an individual identity.
He was still in that kind ofsphere, you know, and that just
where he was could still just bethree dimensional, three dimensional reality. He

(01:29:53):
maybe that's as far as we cango before we can get to the fourth
is a star, you know,I don't know, man. My point
basically is that we're not going toknow without exploring it, and we may
never find out, but we gota better chance not being afraid to explore
ourselves consciously. You know. That'swhat I'm saying. Yes, you need

(01:30:13):
the fearless because you're really going intothe unknown. I mean, we're all
going to go there someday as weleave this body in earth, but to
do it while you're alive, thattakes a very interesting personality well, to

(01:30:38):
want to explore that, because especiallyif you don't have any teachers. It's
like, now, look, we'rethe same age, we're in our early
forties. You know. Hope,I didn't ruin that for anybody. But
here's the thing is that I youknow, when I was in my early

(01:30:59):
twenties, Yeah, I didn't havea care in the world. You know.
If I if I would just leavemy body and go explore, you
know, that's that's a great Fridaynight, you know. But no,
you know, you're married, yougot bills to pay, and you have
to work, and it's like,if I want to go out and do

(01:31:24):
some real exploring, I want toknow that there's like a teacher or someone
here to watch and monitor me.You know, I'm not that crazy kid
anymore. That just kind of says, okay, let's do it. You
know. Yeah, yeah, Ihear you. I'm not. I'm not
married. I still I'm probably goingto be like that crazy kid until I'm
old. Man. You know,but you're a wiser being than I am.

(01:31:46):
I'll give you that. It's justuh, I hope that you keep
digging, man, like you gotto keep writing. I say that to
a few people. I talk toa lot of authors, and you know,
since people will either write about theirexperience or write about what they believe,
or explain research that's already happened,and then put what they think,

(01:32:08):
like this Wes Penry stuff with whatthey're trying to convince us because they have
insiders or whatever, that is ultimatereality, right. You're not doing that
though you know you're not doing that. And that's what I love about this,
is that you are actually showing usa reality that we're not seeing.
When it comes to this, Iguess you could say this on a Knaki

(01:32:30):
thing, this Zacharis stitching. Weall understand the stories are astrological, and
they taught us stuff and alien seatedearth and YadA YadA, but we don't
know that they put codes and geometricalinstructions and all kinds of things in there.
Nobody was seeing that, but yousaw it, you know, And
I don't think you would have seenthat if you weren't a conscious explorer.

(01:32:51):
That did go out of your bodyand opened up your perspective, you know,
is what I'm trying to say noand say I really appreciate that,
and see, I have this wholephilosophy. If you would have told me
I would be a writer twenty yearsago, I would have laughed because I
can't write. For you know,I watched in English class class I,

(01:33:16):
when they said to read a book, I watched the movie you know that's
where I was in high school.The audio book at the very least,
you know, or Coles notes,whatever the small book was. So when
I had this spiritual awakening and Ineeded to know these things I needed to
learn for my own conscious survival,I had to find out certain things,

(01:33:40):
and I bought every book I canto thinking that I could find the answer.
And I would buy these books thinkingthat, Okay, this person knows
exactly the answer to my question,and I'll read it from cover to cover
and be so disappointed that I didn'tget what I wanted from the book.
So the books that I write arebasically the books that I can't find.

(01:34:06):
That makes sense, Yeah, youknow, so growing up I really wanted
to know certain information, but Icouldn't find it anywhere. So now that
I'm older, what I'm doing isI'm writing the books that I couldn't find
growing up, So hopefully it'll getinto the hands of people that were in

(01:34:29):
my position twenty years ago. Wellyeah, okay, that makes sense.
That totally makes sense. So,like, so when I read Revelations,
and I've read the part about theytalked about the Kingdom of Heaven. Okay,
so just to give an example,they talked about the Kingdom of Heaven
and they said that the walls werethat linked of a man, right,

(01:34:53):
that had the linked of the man, that of an angel. That meant
something, right, and then thatthe walls and it's the linked and the
breadth and the width of it werethe same. Yes, So I started
drawing this out and it was theVitruvian man, and then you put like
a line around it and it comesout to like a pentagon and that there's
twelve walls and it's linked with inheights. Well that's volume. So now

(01:35:15):
you've got a three dimensional shape withtwelve walls that are the sides of You're
back into the you know, thepythagorast stuff. Here. This is a
no decahedron that Revelations is talking about. And then he's putting gemstones on each
walls with each tribe, which correspondswith an astrological sign, you know,
and then that stuff started like justkind of the same. The same exact

(01:35:38):
numbers in Revelation are actually found inthe Epica Gungamesh and that's the numbers how
to build the arc. It's crazy, man, that's nuts. That is
nuts. We got to decode thiswhole thing, you know. That's what.
Now you can try the rest ofyour life decoding everything, right,
Yeah, you tried. Well,we need to read this, man,

(01:35:58):
because what do you think ultimate ifyou had to narrow it down and say,
look, what I'm trying to showyou is this, even though you
probably can't, what would you say. What I'm trying to say is that
what I'm trying to say is thatwhat we consider God or the creator or

(01:36:23):
the architect of this physical creation thatwe know about, they have a fingerprint,
all right, and it's this fingerprintthat it's this sacred geometry numerical code,
that's the fingerprint of the creator.And what these mystics did was they

(01:36:46):
figured out this fingerprint that proved thatGod existed or that there was an underlying
design or structure to creation, whichit would be translated into the fingerprint of
God basically, and what they didwas once they figured this out, they

(01:37:06):
started to use it as the numberingsystem to define reality. And this is
where we get the Samaran numbers fromthe Cuneiform the shars. This is the
base sixty model of how to dividethe heavens and divide time and space.

(01:37:27):
It's based on this knowledge of thisfingerprint of creation. And by knowing this
fingerprint of creation, you go intoresonance with the design of the Creator.
So all these numbers like you havein Revelations of the design of New Jerusalem
is what you're talking about. Andthe design of the arc from Galgamesh and

(01:37:50):
the design of Heaven from the Herdsof Nana. These numbers represent formula of
creation that exposes the fingerprint of creation, and it's a geometry. So the
last chapter of the book, Italk about the Cube of Creation, where

(01:38:15):
a lot of these geometries that arebeing spoken about in ancient texts actually create
a perfect cube, you know.And the cube is the element of Earth,
it's the element of creation, it'sthe boundary. And then the Metatron's
cube, you know, is thecombination of all the platonic solids within the

(01:38:35):
cube of the Flower of Life.And it's from this cube that basically they
said God resides within this cube.You know, well, what does that
mean. It means that the sacredgeometry structure holds the mathematics of creation within

(01:38:57):
that space, so you could communewith God, you can commune with different
realities, just like the arc ofthe Covenant. You got communication with God
because of this structure within it wasa reflection or a space that contained this
numerical reality of the fingerprint of God. That is basically my conclusion of the

(01:39:20):
math that comes from these documents.That's so cool, man, That really
is that it really is cool becauseI think that number one is going to
psychologically help a lot of people thatwonder if there's even a creator to begin
with. And it is funny thatin the Western mysteries, the one thing

(01:39:42):
that when you sought out the mysteryschools and the exoteric was you had to
believe in a creator. It didn'tmatter who that creator was. And I
think it's because they knew it allled to the same fingerprint that you're talking
about. It all led to thesame thing, you know, which is
why rituals and stories and plays andall the things that we go through kind

(01:40:04):
of glorify this fingerprint, so tospeak. You know what I mean,
I do, I do, Andlike I said, it's part of this
kind of fractal idea or this fractalideology that as we start to really delve

(01:40:25):
deep into this information, like yousaid, there might be seven levels that
are all true. Right, youknow, so someone can tell me something
that's completely different than my conclusions andI'll agree with them because it's part of
this kind of fractal of knowledge thatcan be dissected from this information. But

(01:40:55):
I'm not creating new words. Whatis what I'll say, Sure, what
I'm doing is I'm taking literal quoteswith literal numbers and showing how they add
up, you know. So it'snot like I feorize that this is what

(01:41:17):
they're talking about. No, I'msaying they For example, you're talking about
the astrological connection. Just look upthe word bull of heaven, you know,
which is Taurus in the constellation Taurus, and the bull of heaven can
be found in multiple texts going allthe way back to Samaria to Egypt to

(01:41:41):
biblical texts, you know. Soit's the same word meaning the same thing
over thousands of years, you know, So how if they didn't just make
it up the Bull of Heaven,they literally knew exactly what they were talking
about in those texts. It's uswe don't know what they're talking about,

(01:42:04):
and then we think of ways ofexplaining it. But there is only one
explanation, and the text tells youthe information. It's not like you have
to guess what it means. Thereare certain texts that literally tell you that
the Bull of Heaven is Taurus,you know. So I'm not theorizing.

(01:42:29):
I'm showing you the text where itactually says it, and then you apply
it to the the all the othertexts, and then suddenly it makes perfect
sense. And then you see itas an allegorical story. And then you
start to realize that they're describing starslike Gelgamesh is Orian. You know,
he plays the role of Orion incertain scenes of the Epic of Gelgamesh.

(01:42:55):
So it's amazing. Once you havethese keys and you put them in there,
suddenly the story takes on a completelyother context. Very cool. Well,
I mean we've reached the end ofthe show, Jason, but I
got a feeling when I read thebook, I'm probably going to be begging
to talk to you again, buthopefully if you haven't written another book by

(01:43:15):
the end. But I do wantto go through this book like thoroughly and
I will hopefully everybody in our audiencewill grab a copy. If you go
to the Crystal Sun. I'm sureyou got links to it there. Do
you have any speaking events or anythingcoming up. I am going to be
a contact in the Desert, whichI'm going to be giving the first presentation
of this new book there. Youcould also get this book off Amazon.

(01:43:42):
It comes very quick. I thinkpeople get them in like a day or
two from Amazon. May take twoweeks from me, but yeah, so
I'll be a contact in the desertand that is going to be fun.
I'm going to really work on thatpresentation to make everybody. I'll make it

(01:44:06):
very clear what this information provides.You have pictures. You won't be that
hasn't read the book that doesn't havepictures. You know, they'll have lots
and lots of pictures and lots ofnumbers. And when you do get the
book, the most amazing thing isthat when you take these numbers and you

(01:44:27):
actually place them to scale, itcreates a blueprint, and that blueprint is
the most amazing thing you'll ever see. So just putting that out there,
even though I'm leaving out the bestpart right on. Man, Well,
I hope you guys go check themout. If you're going to contact in
the desert, go check that outtoo. Go to the website, grab

(01:44:51):
the book. Thank you Jason forcoming on. It was a real pleasure
talking to you again. Man,it always is, always is. Thank
you, thank you, Thank youyou guys. We'll be back next week.
I'll be putting out some stuff thisweek into you guys, have sweet
dreams, not night. Go getthe book. The crystalsun dot com

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