Revelations Being Revealed with Mark Steeves

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moon. Welcome for all of youhere that are here spending time with us
tonight. It is definitely a fullmoon, isn't it. It's beautiful.

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You gotta love it so real quick. I don't think I don't think we're
not safe, you know, likeI don't know why people are setting themselves
on fire. I don't care whatpeople say, like especially for politics or
whatever. Like it's that's a prettycrazy thing. But I don't want it

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to scare anybody. I mean,well, every now and then it's something
weird, just like that's insane.That just threw me off? Did it
really did throw me off? Idon't have much to comment about it.
I mean, like people make statementsin all kinds of ways. Let's just
say that I don't understand it.Like I don't understand it. I don't

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understand anything that you would harm yourselfto make a statement. I've never understood
that. I think there's other waysto do it. But like there's nothing
to really talk about. I mean, people have talked to me about it
and asked about it, and it'slike, I don't have what who am
I? I don't know why thatperson did that. I don't it's to
me, it's insane. It's insane. I can't imagine. Like I'm way

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too like self centered to hurt myselffor other people. Like I mean,
I don't see the point in doingit much less like I've really if I
was gonna off myself, I guessI would do it old fashioned style.
Man, I don't know, likesomeone wanted to make some kind of statement,
whether they were in the right stateof mind or not, that they

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were willing to like suffer in frontof people to make their statement. You
know, I know this is goingto sound crazy, but we don't have
freedom, I guess, so who'sto tell that person they can't do it.
The only thing I'm worried about isthe state of affairs, and like
the only thing that bothers me islike the power that politics and religion have

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to begin with, Like they shouldn'thave. It's twenty twenty four. They
shouldn't have. Even though they dorun a lot of things, they should
have no power over us at thispoint. Like we should be aware enough,
I would hope, but whatever,man, Other than that, you
know, I hope you're enjoying fallout. It is kind of crazy, you

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know, Like how they rush thisstuff every time something's going on in the
world. We got TV shows thatkind of resemble the thing that we're most
afraid of, and how to livein that environment, whether it's the occult
zombie what. No, it startedout zombies, then it turned into occult
stuff and now it's nuclear fallouts andthings like that. But have no fear.

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Just come to Arkansas if you startworrying about that stuff, I can
find you a spot here. You'renot in a low enough vibe to comprehend
it. Barefoot Hippie said, Idon't comprehend why. I don't comprehend why
people want to hurt themselves like Ido. Don't get me wrong, I
do understand suffering. That's why I'venever been the kind of guy that's like,

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you know, if someone wants toend their suffering and take their own
life, I think there are peoplethat have good reasons for that, unless
you're a Catholic or something and youthink you're going to burn in hell for
eternity. But that's that's a prettytouchy subject. But I cannot comprehend anything.

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There's ways to fight things or whatyou believe in or what you stand
for. In my opinion, it'skind of old school, but the best
way to make an impact on theworld if you want to make an impact
on the world, it's really notthe Internet. I mean, the internet
is cool for the internet, andthat's kind of like weird that I'm saying

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that, But the internet's cool toexpress yourself. It's like art. To
me. It's what the Internet is. It's cool to communicate to but it's
also like art. If you reallywant to make an impact on the world,
it starts right where you are,your home, your family, your
friends, and your community. Andyou could if we all just fought our
battles in those places, everything wouldchange. County to county, state to

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state, all that stuff. That'sabout as all political as I'm going to
get because the rest of it's adumb ass game. I mean, it's
obvious that you could see the levelsof manipulation that are going on. It's
not that we're not safe. It'snot that an outbreak is going to happen
or a meteor is going to hitus, like any of that stuff could
happen at any point in time.The war that we're fighting is the war

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of our minds. It always hasbeen. We're in this like influencer age
where anybody can say a certain thingand present it a certain way, and
the mind just tends to take itin as truth, you know, So
I don't believe in that. ActuallyI believe in there are fundamental truths like

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if I stop breathing, my bodydies. You know, this body will
die. That's a fundamental truth.Or if someone cuts me. I'm gonna
belied those kind of truths. Butthe rest of like who we are we
should be telling the outside world asindividuals who we are. Not life is
so awesome and precious to me todo that kind of thing. I guess

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I don't know maybe, man,we just don't know, Like you don't
know. It's one crazy month.We lost a friend who was suffering obviously
and took his own life, Adear friend we've lost. I don't know
anything about that person. I don'teven know why I'm talking about. It's

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just so freaking weird that it happened. The last time that happened was right
before war, wasn't it. Yeah, So anyways, we're going to have
a guest on tonight, and Iwant to think I have to thank a
few people that have donated to thestation, but you can. I want

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to tell everybody that if you getthose I probably should put this in the
description. If you get those cryingthose magic Tatua scrying cards, it's going
to take a while for you toget them because they're print to order,
and it's the cheapest place I couldfind to print to order these things that
are that price everybody else wanted,like fifty bucks stuff like that. Like

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I ain't doing that. I'm notgonna charge somebody sixty seventy dollars for freaking
deck of cards. And these thingsare only meant for us to kind of
focus on. And you know,I'm hoping five or ten people at least
will get some and then we'll startdoing some extra. So Henry, yeah,
thanks brother for the donation. Appreciateit. Also, Joseph Man,

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Joseph's been Carrera. It has beensaid your last name, sorry, has
been donating for just like Genevieve fora long time. Man old school.
Okay, So before we have ourguest on tonight, I wanted to I
promised I would review this book.I think you should get this book big
time. Okay. I finished it. Jason Quit, I'm gonna have to

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read it again, Like this isa book you're gonna have to read two
or three times. Okay. ButJason Quit's book, Gates of the Onanaki,
all of this information is probably beingtalked about. I think I saw
a guy commercial where a guy wastalking about some of the same stuff that's
in Jason's book. It's funny.How when does this ever happened to you?
Like when you think of an ideaor something happens and then you like

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put it out there, and thenall of a sudden, everybody's talking about
it. It's weird, right,so and then or other people will try
to take credit for it. Andall kinds of stuff. But you could
tell that Jason did this, didall this work. Now here's one of
the reasons why I'm gonna tell youit's a beautiful thing. One of the

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reasons why I don't like religion becauseof that. Don't they don't They don't
follow their own books and don't evencomprehend. It's like, there's so many
beautiful books, stories, and mythologiesthat we should be reading and picking apart.
And I think when mainly p Halltalks about in his manuscript what the

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ancient Wisdom expects from his disciples,that once you start digging into this stuff,
that there are seven keys in divinerevelation. He said that in his
manuscript. Well, I personally thinkthat Jason Quit has revealed one of those
keys. Now what it means,let's look this up real quick, so

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we don't so I don't missay somethingon the internet, God forbid. Right,
So, what does revelations mean?Right? What there's a revelation.
I mean, it's obvious what itmeans. Revelation is the act of revealing
or disclosing something that was not previouslyknown. This is the definition. So
in a religious or theological context,revelation is the communication of some forth some

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form of truth or knowledge from adeity or other supernatural entity or entities.
Revelation can be seen as a wayof gaining insight into the divine will,
the nature of reality. If thatis indeed the definition of revelation, then

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Gates of the Onanaki has definitely,in my opinion, revealed one of those
keys, if not too so inthis book. In this book he touches
on lots of different stories that gofrom the Bible all the way back to
Mesopotamia, a lot of stories thatI don't I mean, I'm not going

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to reveal the whole book. Idon't think you can anyways, because I
don't want to get ahead of myselftoo. So he goes, there's the
Bible, there's both books of theDead in here. There is all of
the stuff that was in the Cylinder, Seals, zach Charis, stitch and
stuff. But when you get intothe stories, it's it's not like you

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start to see these story where hesays nursery rhymes. Now, I'm not
saying for a fact that none ofthis stuff actually happened, But when you
get through this book, you're goingto find that it reveals a pattern,
just like he said when he wason the show, a fingerprint. This

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fingerprint that he revealed in this bookis amazing, and I think I'm hoping,
I really am hoping actually that thiswakes some people up, because you
remember, you guys, remember whenwhat was that show came What was that
show that came out where they weretalking about all of the birth, death

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and resurrection was in every text wasZeitgeist. That's what it was, Zeitgeist.
So they were talking about that stuff, but there were still like this
orthodoxy or argument that was like,well, you know, those are all
just falsifications and down to YadA YadA. This is what I mean by why
religion is just annoying as politics is. Well, if you look at the

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mathematical structures behind all of these textsand the stories that they're telling, the
stories that they're telling reveal the truth, but not in the nursery rhyme form.
Now I'm just talking about there's differentsides to this book. Okay,
there's the numerology and this sexuggesimal Iguess I say it sexigestimal, that system

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that is set up in every oneof these stories Oh man, I got
another pterodactyl here in the shack.I hope this thing doesn't dive on me
while I'm on the air. Sothe order of the Beast, it makes
you think about, well, whatis the beast? Is the beast in

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divine revelation really talking about a numbersixty sixty six or is it talking about
a code? Dude, that thingis going to dive by me. It's
one of those. It's one ofthose. I'm telling you, this is
what sucks. Like I have tokeep the door open to get air flowing
here in the shack, and likethere is no light anywhere but the shack.

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And it's one of those beatles.Like if you ever biking, you're
riding on a motorcycle and they hityou about knock you off. Yeah,
that's what that is. So thissex suggestimal system could be the beast.
Right, what if worshiping the beastis in fact worshiping the mythology or the
mystery? Now I thought about this. This makes you think about this stuff.

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Now. In this book, Jasonshows you a pattern that's revealed through
what the Bible talks. When theBible says be not a study of the
letter right, it's trying to tellyou something. Let me see if I
can find that verse. So we'rein church now, I think, isn't

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that Peter Paul something like, you'renot a study of the Letter or something
like that. Anyways, there's averse in the Bible. I'll find it
later, not of the Letter ofthe Spirit. There's a whole bunch of
different verses that talk about that,because it wants you to look deeper into
the mystery. So first, whenyou read a story, just like when

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you watch a movie, you understandyour consciousness understands the plot, It understands
the characters, It understands the consequencesof the actions of the characters and the
story. And then there's some kindof arc where there's a problem, and
then there's a lesson to be learned. And just like children, and you
turn the page and you show themthe pictures and you get them to understand
the lesson of the story. Right. The second thing is like the metaphors,

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right, the metaphors of the symbolsof what these characters stand for.
Funny enough, though, you wouldthink think that that was it, right,
you would think that that's as faras this stuff goes. But it's
not when you put these codes toit. We have a couple of codes
that we're taught in the mysteries todecode text. One was okabeaker, another

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one was Gamatria. There's different formsof jamatria or gamatria, however you want
to say it. But when youstart decoding these stories, it shows the
literal numbers of creation in every storyin that order, in the same order
as the story unfolds. It showsthe distances all ready for this between the

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Earth, the Sun, and themoon. The stories, the nursery rhymes
have the mathematical equations built in them. How is that possible. Let's think
about that for a minute. We'veall we've thought about this for a long
time. We thought, man,how in the hell did some of these

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guys, like you know, backin the day know about quantum physics and
all the stuff. It just blowsour mind. Or where certain things were
in space and all these things.And I always thought it was because they
were exploring their consciousness. They wereactual traveling, they were getting out of
body. They didn't have spaceships.I don't think you know, back in
Greece and fucking Mesopotamia and stuff.But these stories are numerologically revealing the mathematics

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of the moon, the Sun,and the stars, the Earth, the
moon and the sun basically, andits relationship to each other. Now,
I dare any of you to getthis book and pick any of this apart.
I think I've went over this booktwice now and see if you can
find that any of this would bea quinc vidents, because there's no way,

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there is no way any of thisis a coincidence. Not only that
new information in this book doesn't justreveal things about the Flower of life,
but also reveals some things in thisbook about the relationship to the Sphinx and
the pyramids. We're always finding somethingnew about that. But I think the

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biggest thing that this book showed meis that whoever created our text, that
basically everything is based off of allof a lot of bad things too.
You know that people that just studythe letter, you know, the religious
people super religious, are missing outon some of the most beautiful stuff because

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they don't ask questions. I mean, all of these stories, not just
the Bible, but all of thestory I think purposely have characters and purposefully
contradict each other so that you willask questions so that if you care enough

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to find the truth, you'll keepdigging, and if you don't, then
you're just going to be like,well, I got other things to worry
about. Cool story. I guessI'll believe it. I guess I'll be
saved or whatever, and hope Idon't burn in hell. And that's where
you stop. But man, thisis amazing. I don't know how long

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you've worked on this book. Idon't know how long this book. I
don't know, Like, there's noway I thought about this too well,
could you do that? There's noway he could have done this with AI
because people are writing books with AInow too, right, No way,
No, he could have spell checkedit with AI. Maybe, But it

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doesn't just go into the stories.Also, architecture, also paintings, all
of the same stuff that we thinkare ancient gods and aliens and all kinds
of crazy stuff. Not saying they'renot okay, but there is a mathematical

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pattern in here that starts to makesense and it really validates some of the
stuff that I have taken from Hermetics, right, because Hermetics is just the
study of like I told you,guys, it starts out with the four
elements, and theurgy, which isall of the operations under the moon.

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This is the earliest mystery teachings thatwe have that go back to like Greek
or I guess it's the Ptolemaic period, you know, where the Greek and
Egyptian stuff was kind of together.And then it goes back even further as
you get into the operations of thesun, which is alchemy. Right,
so this process of under the moondoing your operations, that's all magic is,

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is the outer order. Like youcould say, well, I'm a
magician, but you're even being amagician. You're you're not like you're still
it's still awesome. You still haveto work this process and understanding, but
it's still the operations under the moon. Not we don't take that literally like
under the moon, but there's someliteralness to it. And then alchemy,

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which goes back even further. Andthen the third stage of the mysteries,
which is astronomy astrology or the stars. So you have the moon, the
sun, and the stars. Butin here in Jason's book, he shows
you and he goes back to theQnai form texts all the way to the

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Bible and reveals a pattern or afingerprint that has the mathematics of the Earth,
the Moon and the Sun and howit works together, and the stars
too, And it's amazing. Soif this doesn't this just knowing that it

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makes you wonder one thing, howdoes that happen? Now? We don't
live that long, right, wedon't. Like, there's what eight billion
people on the planet right now.One hundred years ago they were all dead.
So we recycle and die so muchhere, How does something not only

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last thousands and thousands of years?A storyline with the same plot, different
characters, each religion, different gods, different names for things, all kinds
of stuff, but each cycle,this story not only tells the same story
and reveals the same plots. Youknow that the astronomical plots, the alchemy

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plots, the elemental plots. Itdoes all this stuff. But also,
if you dig deep enough, Jasonshows you that it has a numerical code
to it. Now, there's onlytwo things that I can think that would
cause that. Okay, one mymost I guess you could say. The

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thing that I feel is the mostprobable is it's already inside of us that
we've forgotten the truth so much likewe forgot who we are and where we
came from. Our amnesic state isso deep in this life that only through

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our art work and the things thatwe express with our feelings such as music,
art, religion, picture. Andthis is what I think mainly Pall
believed too. A lot of theliberal arts things like that, a patterns
starts to come out, and thispattern is like deja vous. It's something
not only that comes out of us, but it helps us to remember.
And this is why all of ourstories have these same patterns, and it's

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lasted throughout time. And even Manlyp Hall said that in his book,
it's really remarkable how all of thisstuff lasted through all these thousands and thousands
of years and times and things likethat. Could be it could just be
us remembering and this fucking like fractalpattern comes out and all of our stories

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and it tells the same thing,okay, or or someone made sure that
the stories. I don't know howthe hell they did it. How can
someone write such stories with gods anddifferent characters and different plots and all these
different religions and still have the samefingerprint patterns and side of this stuff and

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have five to six more different revelationsinside the stories. How does that happen
unless something of a higher intelligence,far more intelligent than us, wrote each
one of these or guided someone towrite these right, which could be the

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same thing as what I was sayingbefore. Now, you're not going to
understand what I'm talking about at allunless you get this book. I think
I don't know if it's available onKindle yet, but I guess if I'm
going to like narrow this down,I'm going to say that no one's revealed

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what Jason's revealed. You probably willsee within the next year or two all
kinds of TV shows and people talkingabout the stuff, and things about how
the Earth and the moon and thesun, and then all this stuff shows
this stuff that's just marketing people hopon If you built, if you wrote
a book or or made a productthat revealed something like that, there would

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be so many people hopping on yourstuff too, you wouldn't be able to
keep up with it. But itdoesn't matter. In my opinion, what
Jason shows us here is amazing.Always knew there was something about that,
dude. There's some things that Iwant to leave as a mystery so that
you will check it out for yourselfand then we can talk about it.

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For sure, I will tell youthat the pattern that's in here, there
is no doubt that it's real,this pattern that he found, which makes
me go back to what we weretalking about before. What is the beast?

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Think about that for a second.If we're not to be a study
of the letter, then what reallyis the beast? Theer? So this
calls for wisdom. Let the personwho has insight calculate the number of the
beast, for it is the numberof a man. That number is six
six six, Six times six timessix is two sixteen two plus one.

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What is this? Yeah, twoplus one plus six is nine. All
these things come out to be nine. In Ja Matyra, we know that
all these numbers come out to benine. Here's the crazy part. They
show the mathematics. If you don'tlike, if you're a flat earther and
you believe space is fake and allthis other stuff, then this ain't for
you, right, But okay,everything in nature's a sphere except this place.

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I get it. Bye, Okay, but this not only shows the
correlation between all these things, butall of these numbers come out to nine.
So this mystery that's been hidden.Who hit it? Was it on

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purpose? That's another question we gotto ask, like, why why is
it hidden? Why couldn't someone justcome out and say, hey, you
live in this place, this isthe distance between these things. All of
these things are going to affect youin your life and this planet in a
certain way. Why couldn't they justsay that there is a process of birth,

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death, and resurrection. Everything innature is born, dies and is
born again. You're a part ofthat. Why I hide it underneath all
of this stuff, all of thesedifferent stories. I got a feeling as

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we dig into this stuff even more, and now I know I told you
guys I would talk a little bitmore about like ancient history and things like
that, But I got a feelingthat this stuff is not just it's gonna
reveal which we already know what revealsthe astrological correspondences. Now we know it

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has the geometrical and numerological correspondences thatgives us at least four more revelations inside
here. Think about that, sevendifferent stories inside all of these stories,
and they're all true. Maybe themaybe whoever did this, they know our
brains couldn't comprehend it, or maybethe whole thing, if you want to

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get conspiratorial about it, was constructedto control you. But even if they
did that, well, why wouldthey leave pieces of the puzzle there so
we could find the truth? Itdoesn't It's really cool, it is,
but it doesn't quite make sense tome yet. You know, now,

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I'm not here to I'm only hereto like express myself and explore consciousness with
you, guys. I'm not hereto validate what your beliefs are. But
I would ask you, if you'rea person that wants to know the truth,
not just tell it, if you'rea person that like really wants to
find the truth as deep as youcan. I've never said this before,

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but this g You must get thisbook because it's gonna like like all kinds
of shit is gonna unlock in yourhead. Man, all right, I
don't know what else to say aboutit. If I maybe I'll wait a
little bit longer and we can gothrough it together. I don't know.

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There's no way I could do likethe audio version of this book, because
there's so much math in it thatI can't, you know, I just
I can't. But it is amazing, man, it really is. I'm
thinking the next thing that's that it'sgoing to be revealed. As you remember

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the book we did, the cultAnatomy of Man. The next thing is
that's revealed is going to be evenmore biological stuff. So we've got astronomy
or astrology, biology, numerology,geometry. That's four. One of the
other three metaphor, I guess couldbe one mythology. I mean, even

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in this stuff, did you know, like when you get down to it,
when you realize what the arc is, it's amazing, man, it
really is. Life is freaking andawesome. People can There's two ways to
look at this, right. Youcan look at this as like, oh,
it's definitely a programmable matrix prison.Well, I mean technically your body

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is a prison. That's why youfeel crazy all the time, you know.
But consciousness has to experience stuff,dude, Like it wants to experience
things like consciousness wants to make outwith another person, It wants to eat
a steak. And no, Idon't think this is the matrix where you've
got to be stupid in order toenjoy a steak. I don't. I'm

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not a red pill guy, eventhough I like listening to some of that
stuff. But this also kind ofshows too that some of the stuff that
the Masons knew about circling the squareand all these other things were big time.
This is I know what you're thinking. You're like, yeah, I've
heard this already. You got toget into this book because it doesn't just

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reveal like like what I'm doing,Like it's not really vague about it.
It's so specific that if anyone wasto deny this, I think that you
would just be one stubborn ass person. A matter of fact, I'll put
out a challenge right now. Ifyou read this book from front to back,
cover to cover and you find thatbecause I know what era I we're

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in, find some conspiracy that howit's all wrong, because that's what the
era we're in, right, We'restill trying to get out of this victim
mentality and maybe it'll take another thousandyears, I don't know, But find
some conspiracy to where I'm wrong aboutthis. I challenge you because I picked

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this apart man, like I dothat a lot. I over analyze to
like crazy. I mean, I'mhere in the shack by myself. What
the hell else am I going todo? And I'm trying to find flaws
in the mass, or find flawsand how this could be a coincidence,
or find something and it's just toodamn perfect. Nothing's being changed or moved

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around or made to be perfect orany of that stuff. It's just not
He did his homework on this manbig time, Jason Quit. He doesn't
even know I'm doing this. Hedoesn't know I'm talking about it. He
doesn't I'm not here for a marketingreason. I have no other agenda.

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But to me, this is justas big as when you have your first
out of body experience OBE, notastral travel, lucid dream, I think
I had out of body experience,when you have that real Obe. Okay,
this book is just as revealing asthat, in my opinion. And

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I'm so pissed that I rushed toget him on the show, show that
I did not read this damn bookand then get him on the show.
Now, with that being said,there are some things. There are a
few things in here, because hedoes push the limits in here, like

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trying to. When it comes topatterns and stories, he definitely shows you
the patterns and all of these stories, this numerological pattern, not just through
numerology, but also through geometry andangles and distance and things like that.
There are some parts where he doesquestion certain things that could mean more things

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that we need to look into.And that's I mean, that's pretty much
all I can say about that.But this is proof to me too that
there isn't at the very least,there's an intelligence, either inside of all
of us as a collective consciousness orsomething that's separate from us, working through

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us through our need our I guess, our human need for story and something
to have the answers, because wedo ask humans, right, like we
have this natural thing that we wantto we have to know the answer to
something or no. We don't likenot knowing, and we damn sure don't
like to tell people I don't know. We don't like saying that because that

(35:22):
doesn't make us look good. Right. I wonder sometimes if whatever made these
stories, it's like, well,I know human nature, so I'll leave
this stuff in here messed up justenough so they'll dig deeper. I mean,
if you read this book and youare still like an orthodox religious person

(35:45):
at like you're just a study ofthe letter, at that point, I
don't know what to say to you. Man, I just I have no
words for it. This gives mea good vibe, this book, It
really does. I think our guestsis trying to let me see what's up

(36:09):
with them because he's in the middleof another interview. Other than that,
I hope everybody's weekend was good.I was supposed to do a couple of
interviews. Today. I had togo to the doctor. I loved my
doctor, but I man, Ihate sitting in those damn rooms. You
know how when you go to thedoctor and they like put you in a

(36:30):
room so that you'll go in adoctor's office and I have like one,
two, three, four or fiverooms or whatever, and they're got to
go in here and wait and thenthey shut the door. It feels like
hell in there in me for somereason while I'm waiting, I've got some
kind of weird phobia. Man,Like, I went to the doctor today
and they put me in it's likestall number two, shut the door,

(36:52):
and you're just sitting in there,waiting. When's gonna be my turn?
When's gonna be my turn? Can'tyou just crack the door a little?
It's I love my doctor, she'sa great doctor, but it's like don't
get me wrong. I feel likeyou got my money, you put me
in a stall, and you shutthe door. That's what it feels like
to me. I hate it.Get Jason back on the show. I'll

(37:14):
try, definitely try. I soseek external We all seek validation. It's
human nature. Brother, I needvalidation for closure. Joe. Yeah,
Trump's uncle was in the hotel.I don't know about all. That was
the arcs a capacitor. Possibly.Jason's books usually are mine, Yeah,

(37:34):
they are, but this one's likethis one's you gotta you gotta get it,
man, you gotta get this one. Gates of the Onanaki probably astral
Genesis, but to very least getthis one. Get both if you can.
Jason is probably an alien. Tellme I'm wrong next time you stand
next to him. He's not analien, man, He's just he's just
a different dude with a different kindof vibe. I guess maybe he is

(37:57):
an alien. I'll look into thatfor you. What's the book's name again,
It's called Gates of the Onanaki byJason Quit. Maybe there could be
a book club and discord yet,Yeah, we can make a like a
book club if you guys, wantto do that. I hate I can't
get the freaking spam out of Discord. Man. It's like spam Universe in

(38:19):
there. People are marketing entire webcampaigns. Fucking Discord. I don't know
if he's gonna come on. Ifif my guest doesn't come on, we'll
get into a book or something tonight. You Uh, I was gonna speak

(38:40):
with r and Voot, but wehad to reschedule. Everybody's so busy.
Let's see unplugged the matrix. You'reprobably picking up on the negative energy.
I ain't worried about negative energy.Sounds like something in aries would say.
I'll read it, Yeah, readit, dude, Like you guys,

(39:01):
we can't ban them, can't webe? Yeah, you should be able
to ban them. I gave everybodypermission to like ban I don't. The
only reason why a lot of usleft Discord is because they started telling us
what we could and couldn't say.That's why we left. But when we
left, I did everything I couldto try to find another chat room.
And then everybody wants loves Discord somuch. So it's kind of one of

(39:22):
those things. Yeah, so uh, what I'll be doing on the show
is like I want to, like, I want to dig deeper when it
comes to when it comes to thiskind of stuff. I've thought about this
because I did a poll and alot of you guys are interested in like
ancient history as well as I am. I just don't like attacking subjects that

(39:45):
I can't explore in a practical waymyself. Like I can explore psychedelics,
I can explore consciousness through the outof body state. I can explore uh,
you know, magical processes and CarlJung and I can explore these things

(40:07):
or understanding like Kundalini, and wellyou can't really. I mean I can
explore and talk about those things,but the kind of intimate stuff you keep
with your partner, right, Butall of these conscious things that open up
our consciousness, I can explore those. But when you go back into history,
we can't time travel back in thepast very well. But this is

(40:30):
a way I can do this becauseI grew up Christian Baptist, that is,
I used to go into a Baptistchurch, and I mean they would
hammer stuff into us. And whenI was a kid, my dad would
as a punishment, he would makeme go into the room and listen to
Alexander Scorby, which I love theguy's voice, and he kind of made

(40:52):
me read the Bible, you know, the King's James King James Bourbon version
of the Bible. And listen toAlexander Scorby the whole time. That was
my punishment after the ass whooping,you know or whatever. So I still
have some of these up here inthe ticker, but I know that they

(41:13):
mean different things, so I canexplore that, like religions, it's going
to piss some people off. Butthere's a how do I say this,
I'll just say it. One ofthe biggest networking fields in this whole area
of everything that we do here onthis side of the internet, in the

(41:37):
fringe, is the Christian conspirators.They're the biggest, the hardest punchers,
and the most stubborn. I dareall of them to read this book.
All of them. Here we go. I got a link. Might have

(42:00):
to take a break before we getour guest on. Maybe not, but
uh, let's see if we canget him on. Can you hear me
you there? Brother? Yes,what's up? Joe Mark Steves, Ladies
and gentlemen. I'll get his videoon here after the break. It's good

(42:21):
to hear you, bro, It'sgood to have you back on the show.
Yeah. Yeah, I don't rememberthe last time I was on,
but not in twenty twenty four,that's for sure. So it's good to
be back. Glad to be here, Glad to see your face. How's
it going, Joe, how's theshow been so far? That's great.
I started doing video, which tookaway my whole stick. My stick was
the voice in the night right,You're supposed to guess what he looks like,

(42:45):
and that worked for me for awhile, actually worked for me so
well that I was able to travela little bit. I think as soon
as showed my ugly mug on video, it just everything up. Man.
Honestly, why are you getting stoppedin public? Now? Now that you
know it ain't like that? Itjust takes away the mystery. Do you
remember when you listened to R andBell like a long time ago, and

(43:07):
you heard his voice, and thenthe first time you saw his picture,
you're like, that's him? Really? Well? Yeah, I think when
I first got into podcasting, thatwas kind of like the I had to
have that to make that decision atsome point in the way, you know,
along the road there. Once youstart liking a podcast, you start
thinking like, what does this personlook like? Then you finally seat,

(43:30):
You're like, that is not whatI expected at all. Yeah, I
did not expect that. Man.I can't remember the first time I heard
your voice. It was probably onthe Grimerica show or somewhere adjacent to that.
And uh and yeah, when Ifirst met you, definitely. I
don't know. Maybe maybe I Ipictured you somehow. I was picturing a

(43:52):
cowboy hat, to be honest,seeing you in a cowboy I hadn't wore
a cowboy hat. But since Iwas like doing the rodeo thing back in
the day, man, you know, well, maybe I did pick up
on something. Then yeah, way, it looks cool that the green screen
looks cool. You got the livechat in there, and you got the
live number. I'd love to heara caller call in. I love to

(44:14):
Yeah, we will open up thephone. Listen. Man, have you
had Jason Quit on your show abouthis new book? Gates they on and
hockey? I think I think Iwas. I meant to God, you
got to get him on. Imeant to reach out to him. You
know what's funny, I meant toreach out to him, but for whatever

(44:35):
reason his name, I forgot it. And I had a great conversation with
James True because I had mistaken Quitfor True. You mentioned, yeah,
it's like two different people too,but yeah, you know, very different,
very different people for sure. ButI I just for whatever reason,
I and I know they have twodifferent first names as well, but it's

(44:58):
like, for whatever reason, Idyslexia, like confuse those two people.
And I had a good conversation withJames True, but I was earnestly I
meant to reach out to Quit.I just I don't. Well, we
can talk about this when we getback. All open up the phone lines
too. I'm I'm so excited aboutthis book, man. You know,
like when people you remember when BonacciSanto's Bonacci first started revealing like the astrological

(45:22):
mysteries of the Bible, and thenthey went back and everybody's like, Okay,
okay, it's kind of a coincidence. It's kind of a coincidence.
It does look pretty it does lookpretty solid, you know. And then
I guess, what's his name,our buddy that's doing it now, what's
his name that's doing this stuff now? All the time astro theology. Yeah,

(45:43):
what's his name? A couple ofpeople, I mean, you know,
Micah dank is one that's it.Yeah, So he's he's doing it
hard now, doing kind of thesame thing. But Jason takes this to
a whole other level. Man,Like, this thing is not This thing
has a real like all the storieshave a real herm. I would say,

(46:05):
a hermetic and mathematical, geometrical numerologicalfootprint, like a perfect print that
shows that I don't even know howto explain it. Okay, So it
shows number one, all of thedistances between the moon, the Earth,
and the Sun and all the stuffexactly how they are. This stuff is

(46:29):
the mathematical equations for these things goall the way back to the Quneiform texts.
They're buried inside the mythologies in ahidden numerological system that we know is
Caimatra even Akbeaker too. There's otherways to look into it. But the
same thing is also revealed in allof the statues that they put up,

(46:52):
all of the architecture, all ofthe freaking pictures, all the way into
the Greek and Roman times, allthe way back to the Babylonian and Mesopotamian
times, right, Like this isthis kind of like a comprehensive framework to
understand kind of like this crypto culturethat's behind a lot of the what we

(47:13):
considered like a cult high politic ritual. No, no, it's not really
well no no, yeah, likethe ritual side of it. It would
be like we're ritualizing a very deeptruth almost, is what we're doing.
But this truth that it's being shownis of it's like DNA. It's like

(47:37):
the DNA of creation inside mythological storiesthat we've turned into religions. It's very
strange. It's it's hard to explainit. Yeah, like the archtypical mytho
poeticism kind of that we see.Okay, Yeah, Like so if if

(48:00):
you see my website, it tellsa story, right, but behind the
story is hypertext. Right behind thestory is HTML and CSS, and these
codes are showing they're building the story. So he's kind of taking like an
analytical approach and kind of deprogramming it. Yeah, I mean like it's yeah,

(48:23):
it's kind of like if you wereto see the the code behind the
website of religion, that's what he'sshowing, right, Yeah, I think
the the astro theology stuff is reallycompelling when they start to compare it to

(48:45):
not just you know, the JudeoChristian framework, but you know other cultures
outside of the Western civilization, youknow, because that's where I think it
becomes truly universal. And you seethese it's like arc types that are I
don't know, maybe part of thisbigger story that we're all trying to figure

(49:05):
out. Right on. Yeah,all right, So here's what we're gonna
do. I'm with you on that. We're gonna take a break. I'm
gonna get Mark's video in here,which means I'm gonna have to do a
lot of technical stuff really fast duringthe break, and then we'll continue this
conversation. We'll also open up thephone lines too. If you guys want
to jump in on the conversation,we'd love to have you, especially if

(49:28):
you've read the book. If you'veread the book, I'm not saying don't
call in if you haven't, butif you've read the book, for sure,
like call in too. The InvisibleHoney. Mark Steves is here with
us, you guys. Sorry aboutthe silence. I had like nine things
going on trying to get the videogoing to uh I did it all on

(49:50):
the fly. That's why this showis live here. I changed the picture,
changed what I was grabbing, changedall the texts, brought Mark in.
Mark is in the shack with usnow. Mark Steve's host of My
Family Thinks I'm Crazy podcast, alsothe big guy over at Alt Media United
and uh CO producer. I guessI only save ten full hat and maybe

(50:12):
producer booker whatever they call you,booker, Yeah, they maybe that's a
generous producer generous. I'm I'm abooker, but I do now produce a
podcast for Danny POLISHUK. So iffolks want to see me on another live
call in show every week, I'mkind of on the Low Value Mail Show,

(50:35):
which is live on YouTube every Monday. Low Value Mail, that's the
name of it. Yep, yep, it's it's a play on words,
but it's spelled M A I L. That's funny. Yes, that's hilarious.
Danny's very funny and he gets somereally interesting guests on and the whole
show is live and you can callin and ask the guests questions yourself.

(50:58):
So similar to this, which Ihope people call in and ask us questions.
Not that I expect people to havemuch to ask me unless they're familiar
with my previous research and whatnot.We've talked a bit on this show before,
so I'm sure you're not. Longtimelisteners may remember, well, you
and I are. We think alot. We do a lot of we

(51:23):
there's a lot of the stuff thatwe do as the same I think,
right, we our podcasts are different. But as far as like what we
do in the world is a lotto me is a lot of the same
stuff. Now, with that beingsaid, I'm going to put you on
the spot here a little bit.Only I've already done my rent. Okay,

(51:44):
So what I can I mean asa podcaster, I'll just tell you,
like, I'm not here to beeverybody's buddy, Okay, but I'm
not. I don't want to bean asshole either. Sometimes I can be
all right, but I don't likethere's a mentality. There's some mentalities that
are going on in these communities thatI feel like are stifling us. Like

(52:07):
I feel like we could be waylight years ahead of where we should be
when it comes to understanding things likethis scary word of the occult, or
looking beneath the religion or exploring consciousnesspractically right, these three things are still
to me so misunderstood. Like I'vegot people just because I've brought up the

(52:30):
name Alistair Crowley, which by theway, I think is just in case
anybody really wants to know what Ithink about the guy. I've never talked
to him, I don't know him, okay, but I've read his books,
and to me, he's like oneof those brilliant dirt bags. That's
it. I mean, he's abrilliant dirt bag, just like if you

(52:52):
read Hitler's mind comp it seems tobe brilliant. But the guy turned out
to be a dirt bag. Youknow. Now, I'm only saying that
based on his books. Like Idon't know the guy. I didn't spend
time with him. That'd be likeme calling you a dirt bag based on
four or five books I read byyou, you know, and saying,

(53:12):
you know what, You're a dirtbag, you're the Mark, You're a
you're a shiel, you're a governmentspy, you know all this other stuff.
Because you've got an opinion on someguy's text that the flat earthers and
a couple other people just driving meup the fucking wall. Honestly, I'm
not gonna lie to you. Theyjust do. They're holding I don't even

(53:36):
at this point, I don't givea shit if the earth is flat or
not. Just like, even ifit is, this whole thing is stopping
us in my opinion. You know, like I don't have any weed to
smoke right now. Probably I shouldsmoke more weed. I think that might
help, so in a way itmight belay your real issue, but I

(54:00):
don't. I don't know, man, I honestly, I'm not going to
have anything constructed to say in termsof like, you know, the people
that I have grind my gears,you know, but hey, that's his
life. You know, like we'regonna we're not gonna get along with everybody.
And I think if you're in theaudience and you see, like,

(54:22):
let's say, you know, onepodcast call out another, right like Joe,
you're not naming names. I'm notnaming names. We don't need to
do that kind of stuff. Whenyou see that kind of stuff happening,
yeah, it's it's annoying. Andyou know, if if that's the type
of thing that entertains you, goodfor you. But personally, I think

(54:43):
it's an indicator of a low standardor a low bar for what type of
I don't know content this person isengaging with, you know, so I
steer clear of that. And youknow, it's inevitable. You can never
judge somebody by first impression. Sometimespeople reveal their true colors and so on

(55:04):
and so forth. But I wastelling you on the phone earlier with the
audience, a lot of times themost negative comments come from people who are
actually your biggest fans. They justthey feel so dedicated to, you know,
their fanship that they, you know, maybe have a disagreement and they
take it out on you disproportionately tohow they actually feel about the show.

(55:28):
So that's the sense I get sometimes, you know, and I've experienced that
before, where I'm over critical becauseI'm maybe I'm too close to something or
I'm or I've I've become, youknow, a fan of Binged a certain
podcast, and then one little thingupsets me. And so I've been there.
Oh yeah, I've been there.I mean I had, I had

(55:50):
I've had a podcast for four years, but I've listened to podcasts for eight
years probably, So you know,there's a one podcast in particular that I
liked when I was younger, thatslowly started to realize, you know,
they were kind of corporate, likethey weren't really like and this is like
a build as a conspiracy show.Oh we talk about this stuff they don't

(56:10):
want you to know about, right, this is the I mean, I'm
not gonna say the name of thepodcast explicitly, but I kind of just
did for people who could read betweenthe lines. But that that was kind
of the notion I got over overtime. It's like, oh, yeah,
these guys kind of have like amaybe like a dishonest incentive. It's
not that they're being dishonest, it'sthat they're incentive to keep this job going

(56:32):
is kind of dishonested in nature.Right. So there's a little bit of
that going on in the world.But I think far often, far too
often you see people take that whenas a allegation when they disagree with somebody's
perspective, right, they say,this person's control, this person's deceiving.

(56:54):
And I think there are instances where, yeah, you have a podcast that's
owned and operated by corporation, Yeahthat might be the case, but with
you know, something like me whereyou know, I just have my my
computer, my mixer, and mymicrophone that I paid for, and like
the hosting account that I pay forto put the podcast out. Like that's

(57:15):
all stuff that I'm paying for independently. I don't really have an incentive to,
you know, stick to anyone's agendaother than my don't neither. Like
Dennis Coke and it is one ofmy favorite guys that's been following this.
He's in the chat too. Boughtthis microphone, right, one of the
first coolest things ever got was thisboom in this microphone was from him.

(57:36):
And I thought. I never thoughtfor a minute that Dennis was a guy
that I would have to agree withall the time. But he he is
very opinionated, and he stands strongabout certain things. Certain things piss him
off and that I can respect,right, but it's like, uh,

(57:57):
he's also among other some of thelisteners, he's also like it's I don't
know even know how to explain it. There's there's a certain frame of mind
where people are just like intelligent enoughto be open minded but not stupid,
you know, like open minded butnot like naive, gullible, stupid but

(58:19):
open minded still have some firm beliefsit's hard to explain independent, I guess,
you know, like not so influencedall the time. And now dude,
like I'm not even I'm not wasn'treally talking about all the other podcasters
per se. But what I'm thinkingof, I don't know what it is,
but there's something that's trying to keepus stuck in this like anti Christian,

(58:43):
not anti Christian, but this kindof Christian conspiracy world. And if
that doesn't work, then it's aflat earth thing. And then if that
doesn't work, then the devil hasmade the earth flat. And if that
and I'm thinking, damn, youknow, like when's this mind that's going
to change? Maybe in twenty sixtyfour, maybe in twenty forty four,

(59:07):
Like we got to get past BladeRunner years before we start to realize that
there's something deeper going on here.You know what I'm saying. How many
people are Christian because they've dedicated themselvesto the Church and the Bible. I
would argue probably a small percentage comparedto maybe the people who overcompensate for their

(59:31):
lack of dedication by having strong opinionsonline. You know. Yeah, we
were talking about earlier, off theoff the air off the air that there
are several things that you're aware offrom the Bible that contradict you know,
common statements that you might hear someoneyou know, using the Bible's rhetoric to

(59:54):
view a certain opinion or perspective orworse agenda. You know. I think
this is happening a lot in theconspiracy community kind of, I don't know.
It reflects what I was just talkingabout with a guest on my podcast
about how the the indication of somethinga movement cultural sort of fashion is kind

(01:00:20):
of coming to an end is whenlike the people who comprise it seem to
be like anxiously kind of I don'tknow, obsessed with dark things like the
occult and symbolism. And you know, I'm not here to bully Christians.
I have a sort of neutral stanceon it all. Now, you can't

(01:00:44):
bully Christians man like, you can'tlike they have become like particularly conspiratorial in
ways that almost goes against some ofsome of the things that I thought were
Christian, know, the whole ideaof not judging, you know, well,
whole forgiveness and and things like this, you know, seem to be

(01:01:07):
uh not taken into account and there'sthis like this conservative superstition that's come around
with a lot of I don't knowwhat could be metaphysical subjects. And there's
a dark path, there's a lightpath. I think we both can acknowledge
that, right, But so oftenyou have this very like overly zealous reactionary

(01:01:30):
stance that's taken against anything that resemblesmysticism or the occult. And so yeah,
that's that what you're saying, rightthere is what I'm talking about,
Like, it just gets to anincredible level of anything outside the box is
you're you know, if you're nota shield. You know this, And

(01:01:52):
it's not about me. I don'tcare, but I do have listeners.
Take for example, what started thiswhole video thing. Gareth Right, who
he just got diagnosed with als.Right, he's reaching the end of his
life. He wants to know what'sgoing to happen after he dies. He's
afraid. He's reading books that werewritten by I guess people that have sort

(01:02:14):
of a Christian conspiracy on top ofanother conspiracy on top of it. It's
not really a Christian conspirace, likean anti Christian conspiracy, but we're still
kind of focusing everything around the storyof these characters, right, that represent
something deeper than the characters themselves,is what I'm saying. And here a
guy is who's just like us,but not only is he reaching the end

(01:02:36):
stages of his life, he's suffering, so he's afraid. This is the
reason why I did the show,so we can explore consciousness to not only
extend, like, you know,our understanding of these things to a bigger
level, but to eliminate some ofthe fears once we do these things to
empower us man, you know,not to just keep harping on how much

(01:03:00):
of this thing is a prison orit's a game, or you're you know,
you're a manipulated puppet. And it'slike, it's not just Christianity,
it's it's any religion that has asort of dogmatic, uh, cult like
tendency. You know, Christianity isjust used that way. You know,

(01:03:20):
the original Church of Jesus Christ isnot meant to be used for that.
I don't think so. Yeah,right, Like that's kind of at least
what some of my favorite guests thatI've interviewed have kind of reflected, right,
I mean, I'm not pretending toknow or be an expert Christianity by
any means. You know. Iwas raised Catholic and kind of gravitated away

(01:03:45):
from him and pursued just researching allsorts of things, just a oh no,
no, no, I did.I did do the like CCD,
you know, kind of classes thatyou have to go through and that you
get firmed in the church, andthen after that you're pretty much free to
go show up if you want,you continue going to church if you want.

(01:04:08):
But yeah, no, it neverreally interested me until recently. Now
I've kind of come back to beingmore interested in trying to understand the history
of religions. And I've always beeninterested in history, but but yeah,
I always had kind of a morechildish view of religion that it was like,

(01:04:28):
oh, it was just it's justused to control this man, which
is true to a certain extent.People to control this for sure. Yeah,
But there's so much more to itthan that. And I think,
you know, spirituality is definitely alarger broader topic than religion. Religion's one
facet of maybe a physical embodiment orcultural embodiment of our understanding of spirituality.

(01:04:56):
So I think spirituality is something individualisticfor your you to determine on your own,
you know, and when you haveany religious figure telling you, you
know, to be afraid of onething or to you know, denounce something,
or you know worse, you know, accuse and you know, condemn

(01:05:19):
people for something that you don't agreewith. Like that's where it takes a
step. And you're seeing that withpodcasts, and there's millions of podcasts now
at this point, so you knowit's to be expected. You're going to
have the whole lazy Susan menagerie spinningand spinning and spinning opinions and opinions and

(01:05:41):
opinions and some truth in there.But I think that, yeah, when
it comes to there's a big likeuntrusting vibe going on and every aspect of
not just this front and even TaylorSwift's new album came out, have you
heard any at all? Like I'mnot a Taylor Swift guy, but people
are yapping about it, so Iwould listen to it, Like this chick

(01:06:02):
is like revealing some dark stuff.Man, all of this like untrusting energy
every time she got smashed up andshe doesn't trust this thing. And this
is the vibe I guess that I'mgetting, is like people. It's like
it's an instinct. Okay, weeither as humans we go for what we

(01:06:24):
desire or we protect ourselves from pain. And there's more focus on protecting ourselves
from pain and suffering than there isfor us going for what we desire.
I guess that's my biggest frustration andall of the things that we do to
like to do that, whether it'sflat Earth or demiurging gods or prison Planet

(01:06:49):
or NPCs or whatever the hell itis, because we don't trust nothing,
you know. Yeah, Oh,and I get it. I get it.
It's like a mental contagion, youknow. It's like a parasite that
Fallout like Fallout like Fallout. I'mnot familiar. I know the video game.

(01:07:17):
I know what happens, I think, but don't trust anybody and Fallout,
Yeah, you just don't. That'sit's it's been number one on Amazon
right now for like I don't knowhow long, just the show they came
out with the show, it's beennumber one on Amazon. Yeah, they
made a show for the game.Well everything is like post apocalyptic now.

(01:07:40):
It seems like, you know,you have this Civil war movie that's coming
out, and yeah, it's that'slike and even like, you know,
not that I follow this, butseems like fashions kind of hit that I
don't know, you know, likelike everything is in this post apocalyptic you
know, so woke, it's brokekind of mentality. That's a good phrase,

(01:08:01):
So, well, get's broke.It's the first time I heard that.
When I think, I think there'snothing behind it, it's it's completely
devoid of any meaning. It's it'sutter hypocrisy. It's it's divested of any
value, and it's all from peoplewho have some of the most privileged for
the most part. I mean,there are exceptions, and there are people
who are marginalized who have a reasonto sympathize with these causes that the so

(01:08:29):
liberal agenda espouses, but it's proppedup by people who have nothing but hypocritical
intentions and are just using this asa front to make more money and push
more people into a state of well, uh, dependency on the state.
Right, So yeah, I thinkthat's kind of the post apocalyptic is just

(01:08:55):
to like make people kind of loseany sense of connection to what was meaningful
family values and so on and soforth. So again, that's why I
don't like to bully Christianity because Ithink there are actual, you know,
higher value type of concepts deep within. Oh yeah, religions. It's a

(01:09:17):
beautiful Yeah, it's a beautiful thing. And it's not Christianity. It's not
religion. I'm not here to bullyanybody. I fucking hate bullies. Everybody
knows me, knows that. ButI'm not gonna be bullied by somebody's fear
or misunderstanding either. If you're wrongand I think you're wrong, I'm gonna
say I think you're wrong. Youknow, Like that's it. You know,

(01:09:38):
bullying somebody is kind of like forcingthem to do and think what you
want them to think, or justyou beat the shit out of them or
you punish them for it. That'snot what I'm talking about. I'm just
talking about, Like I said earlier, We've got even all you have friends
that are Christians, bro there,Like I've got friends that are Christians that
are Christian down to the core.Like they don't take their not even arguing

(01:10:00):
this stuff. They're spending their timein their life like spreading love and just
trying to be an example for peopleand actually taking the teachings of Jesus and
just trying to live that life.And that's not the people I'm talking about.
I'm not even talking about the religionitself. It's the people that take
stuff from that religion and pound youto the ground with it, you know,

(01:10:23):
like that's a bully to me.Everywhere they go. They can't stand
anything to be outside of it.Or they'll say things like, oh,
yeah, well you like Alistair Crowleybecause you talked about them, so you
must be a you know, youmust like children or something like that.
These people are mere pieces of shit. Sorry, but they are. Yeah,

(01:10:45):
there's a lot of judgment and alot of you know, I think
with the darker aspects of cults andthe occult like you have, you have
real sick people involved with this stuff. So now there's a reason for people
to get upset. But yeah,I mean it's really it takes a lot
of the seriousness out of it whenyou are just kind of blowing everything out

(01:11:09):
of context. Well, and alsoyou know, taking very serious matters to
a very irresponsible level. You know, you know, you want to you
want to investigate real crimes. Youknow, leave that to people who are
professionals. And I hate saying thatbecause you know, we find that they're
like covering stuff up all the time. A lot of the lot of cases,

(01:11:31):
a lot of you know, I'msure good people, good natured people
in law enforcement, but yeah,a lot of stuff gets covered up.
So who knows. I think whenit comes to like the systematic stuff that's
happening on a level outside of youknow, any one person's control, you
know, those are things that representlike a like a societal evil that are

(01:11:55):
being they're kind of being nursed bycertain factors. And then there are these
like lower order sort of ills andevils that are kind of under the domains
of specific people, and those peopleshould be brought to justice. And we're
seeing, you know, at leastyou know, some of that, we're

(01:12:16):
community with P Diddy. And thenof course, you know they're saying he's
like the Epstein of the rap community. So what does that mean? He's
a fall guy? Right? Soyou know Epstein? Right? We I
don't know, man, I don'tknow. I'm just saying, like,
if we're going to compare him toEpstein there, we didn't see much justice
for the Epstein victims, right,So see any justice for the P Diddy

(01:12:40):
victims? I doubt it are wegoing to find out who's really doing stuff.
The only person who seems to beconcerned is fifty cent and uh or
at least vocal about it. Andhe's you know, he's pretty funny.
I like it. I don't knowwhat his documentary that he's planning is going
to be about, how how like, you know, serious it's going to
be, and if it's going tobe like an actual, like you know,

(01:13:05):
documentary, or it's just going tobe like a hit piece or like
some kind of like stylized recreation orsomething. I don't know what it's gonna
be, but it does seem like, you know, right now, twenty
twenty four, we've seen like aseries of events that have kind of built
upon themselves, and it's it feelslike a big truth's about to come out,

(01:13:27):
doesn't it. Yeah, that's whypeople are so distrusting right now the
way you described it, And maybethat anxiety that people feel is maybe behind
some of those, you know,just general like negative attitudes that you might
perceive from certain people or comments orwherever this is coming from. I get

(01:13:49):
it, dude. I mean Ishould have more empathy for people. I
understand that, but you know,I should have more empathy for people that
react in certain ways. But like, there's some things, dude, that
when you reach a certain age,like you should just have, in my
mind, a certain maturity about things. And I'm not even talking about real

(01:14:11):
maturity. I'm talking about just halfass maturity, you know, like half
assed maturity about it. You haveto take stuff. If you want to
like to speak about truth and punchthe ground about truth and you know,
hold up your truth flag and doall this other stuff, you have to
be able to speak your truth regardlessof what people think. And you also

(01:14:33):
have to be able to take thingsinto context. Man. Like empathy is
a part of taking things into context. I get that you have to understand
how everybody's feeling, how everybody thinksabout things, the bigger picture, as
much as you can. I getall that, But like I think it's
look, if I was to beconspiratorial with you, brother, I would

(01:14:54):
say there was a dark force likemy whole if I was to do exactly
what there's doing, and I wouldsay there's a dark force inside the woke
community trying to keep us held backfrom finding the truth, talking about beating
us down the door with like overI guess you could say Puritan Christianity and
like probably ancient alien prison planet stuff. Yeah, well yeah, I mean

(01:15:20):
you can't leave out like the nonsensicalscientific dogmatism, postmodernism. That's like,
that's really what the left, that'stheir drum beat. I mean, yeah,
they're kind of interested in aliens andstuff, but a lot of those
people are skeptical non believers and anythingthat isn't you know, spelled out for

(01:15:43):
you on Wikipedia. And that's atheismtoo, because like you don't you know,
you don't see like an explanation forGod on Wikipedia. If it is,
it's watered down a ton. Butyeah, I just I think that
all of it is representing something suredark, but also maybe like the way,

(01:16:09):
maybe it's a part of the truthprocess. Right. Well, well,
it's almost like like a cycle.Like you look at all the cycles
of life and it's you know,the nature of life is to eat life,
right, So like you know,these people that represent this powerful force
and culture are going to go awayeventually and something's going to replace them,

(01:16:30):
right, So I think that mightbe a little bit of what people are
sensing right now. It's like andI'm I just finished talking to Chris and
Olds, you know, you know, that would do it. So some
of these ideas might be you know, reflecting off of his ideas. So
he's got a good grasp on someof the darker, like the real darker

(01:16:53):
aspects in my opinion, of someof the things that happen not just in
religion, but paganism and all kindsof things. Like he kind of reveals
that, I would say, howpeople can take things too seriously when it
comes to what they believe, whetherit's Pagans, Christians, whatever, how
the extent that they can go tothat gets pretty dark as they kind of

(01:17:17):
worship things right, you know,and what they can do. He's I
mean, he's pretty good at that. I give him that, you know.
Yeah, Well, one thing ishe doesn't pretend to know what's really
going on. It shows you thesymbols and the clues, and you've got
to put it, you know,put it together, because who really knows
the answers We don't know. That'sthe nature of these kind of secret societies

(01:17:42):
and these occult things. But oneof the points that he made pretty clear
is like nothing's hidden anymore. AndI think that's part of the like the
the stress under nowadays when it comesto, you know, the way they
see the world. It's something thatI talked about on my show a few

(01:18:03):
episodes ago called ontological disillusionment maybe iswhat I would coin the term as so
ontology is the study of like theworld or how you see the world,
or like you know, higher orderthinking. Right, and now we live

(01:18:24):
in country at least where you know, people have all these different, very
very opposed ways of seeing the countrythat we live in. Right, some
people think that the world is onfire for this reason, and other group
of people think the world is onfire for this reason. Right. When
you think about that cat to sethimself on fire, what do you think

(01:18:45):
about that? Well, yeah,no pun intended with the fire thing,
but nobody's focused on putting the fireout, I guess is my point with
that analogy. I think that situationis you know, and again me and
Kristenal's just kind of talked about this. So I'll give you guys a little
scoop on on what my tomorrow episodeis going to be about episode four hundred

(01:19:11):
of My Family Things. That's agood plug four zero zero, Yeah,
but yeah, it's it's weird,and I think the fact that they're kind
of trying to describe this guy asa conspiracy theorist is telling you know,
even though he didn't really have aclear political orientation, he was kind of
just like anti government, it seems. And what's interesting is he filed all

(01:19:36):
these different lawsuits, some of themagainst like the Clintons, Mark Zuckerberg,
Mark Cuban, you know, allthese different people. So the guy set
himself on fire. Yeah, yeah, So I don't know if he's like
supposed to represent something symbolically, butif anything, you know, hey,
they're setting a conspiracy theorist, ora conspiracy theorist is setting himself on fire.

(01:20:00):
That's meant to send send a message. You know what is that?
That is hard core? Bro?All of the things that you would do
to be an activist in your life. Bro, think about the like if
someone pushed your buttons, Mark,Let's say, you know, you you
put the weed down and someone reallypushed your buttons and you're ready to wrestle

(01:20:20):
again to that point, and thenthey pushed your buttons even more to where
you're like, all right, okay, fuck it, it's war. Would
you still set yourself on fire?Like that's a whole different kind of my
buttons are pushed, Joe. Youknow, setting myself on fire is not

(01:20:40):
going to do anything exactly. That'swhat I said at the beginning of the
show. I said, I don'tunder the reason I do my podcast is
because you know, it's better thansetting myself on fire, right, I
mean setting yourself on fire. Butto that point, like I take that
same conviction into what I do withmy podcast, Like my life might be

(01:21:02):
burning around me, you know,metaphorically speaking, you know, that's me
setting my life on fire for thispodcast, I guess. But things things
are fine. I'm doing well,I'm paying my bills. Send me one
time donation if you're worried about me. But I'm doing good. I don't
want to give people the wrong impression. But you sure you have no shame

(01:21:24):
in plugging yourself, that's for sure. I dig it, oh not at
all. But I do think thatwhen it comes to like this guy in
particular, he was more likely thannot someone who's just kind of absorbing a
lot of this mental or this conspiracycontent and it's informing a either you know,

(01:21:47):
a mental illness that they got throughthe circumstance through psychology through their their
You know, I don't know genetics, although I don't tend to really believe
in that kind of thing. Iknow some diseases can be passed down heretic
heretically, but I tend to not. I think it's more memetic than genetic.

(01:22:11):
But I don't know, it's justweird, you know. I don't
like to make like conclusions about Idon't think you know exactly what there's no
way in hill, and I don'tI think you know exactly why I did
it. It's just like we talkedabout, we're talking about a person's life
here, right, So I streamthat. Yeah, it's very extreme,
and I just I wonder, like, you know, how much of that

(01:22:33):
was possibly coerced, how how muchhe was coerced into that situation by factors
that might be hard to trace.Will just say, so, uh,
maybe it wasn't his agency alone actingin that moment. But either way,
that's that represents to me like avery mentally ill person, someone who would

(01:22:55):
do something like that. But thenagain, you know, we've seen,
you know, certain types of caseswhere people are influenced by subtle forces that
are hard to trace, right,So read between the lines there folks and
determined. What are you saying?Dennis as a mental health advocate, he
was no mystery to me. Hehad reasons and he made it real.

(01:23:17):
Dude, call in tell me whatyou mean by that, like, because
I mean I understand to me,I've been down so like I can only
relate from my own experience. I'vebeen down in places so freaking mentally straining
that I there was one time inmy life I thought about killing myself.
Had agraphoria I had. I washaving panic attacks every day, you know,

(01:23:41):
like every three a days something.But still, like, I think,
why why burn? Like, ifyou're going to burn yourself, you
know you're gonna suffer, you know, like you know that's that's one of
the most horrible ways to die.So what kind of a mental what do
you What kind of a statement areyou really making? Right? Are you

(01:24:05):
telling us? Like, let's I'mjust assuming here. I don't want to
even even to because I have noidea. I don't know this dude.
But are you saying, yeah,I filed all these lawsuits, I've done
everything I can to be an activistagainst these people, and I'm so pissed
off. I'm just gonna set myselfon fire, because that's pretty much all
we can do. Let me letme explain something though for a second,

(01:24:27):
because I think mental illness oftentimes peopletake the wrong way. Are we going
to call her? Yeah? Yeah, I don't know who it is though,
Okay, Well, I think whenit comes to mental illness, you
know, I think it's it's youknow, we tend to think that these
these crazy events come from a placewithout reason, right, there's reason,

(01:24:51):
you know, And I think,you know, oftentimes the people who are
suffering from mental illness are tapping intoa collective of mental illness, that they
are merely the protrusion of the symptom, right, So like it's affecting the
collective, and they're like the they'relike the the you know, I don't

(01:25:15):
know the correct term is falling awayfrom me, but sure it does seem
like they're they represent something larger forcethan themselves. You know. I think
oftentimes people are frustrated when you say, oh, well, they were just
mentally ill, right, Yeah,yeah, I don't That's not what I'm
saying at all. It looks like, I know, you're not saying that

(01:25:38):
four zero three area code. You'reon the air, who we speak with.
It's me, It's Jenevie' what's hey. I was just calling this guy
who who burned himself. I waswondering if you could give us some more
details because it sounds terrible, butI could. I had some thoughts on

(01:25:59):
it, so, well, whatare your thoughts on it? Well,
there's a very very famous picture ofa Buddhist monk who is protesting. I
don't know exactly what he was protesting, but it was something to do with
maybe it was a Vietnam Vietnam waror right, and so he set himself
on fire and it was a Itwas one of those pictures I saw in

(01:26:25):
the back of a book and youknow how you flipped through things and you're
not really paying attention to it.Just it just stuck with me. It
was just such a profound picture becausethis man was able to just be so
peaceful. I didn't see what happenedto this other guy, but maybe he

(01:26:46):
was trying to emulate him, andhe was protesting what was going on in
our kind of like well, thefirst thing I thought, because I didn't
know what happened till my dad calledme and told me, you know,
the guy Maxwell as a relo ofSaint Augustine, Florida. Is that the
guy's name. Yeah, he wasprotesting, so I mean he protesting.

(01:27:11):
Yeah, So it is like themost profound. It's so profound when you
see something like that, you don'ttake it lightly. I mean, he
wasn't he wasn't trying to get somebodyto murder him. He was just saying,
you know, this sucks, andI want you guys to all pay

(01:27:33):
attention to it. This is like, this is how this feels. It's
worse than this. Yeah, andhis death is a sign is significant and
that we have to pay attention to. It is really weird out there right
now, Like it is. Itis really weird, and I personally feel

(01:27:58):
like I don't know what what's upor down anymore like I used to think,
you know, oh, I believein God and you know, I
want the world to be a happyplace and all that sort of thing,
and I profoundly don't feel that anymore. This is exactly yea, So what
me and Mark are talking about,or what I'm trying to converse with him

(01:28:20):
about right now, is exactly thefeeling that I'm getting from everybody right now.
You know, can I speak tothat because I think in face of
that, you should be brave andyou should bring courage. You know.
I hate to say love, becauseyou know, how could you love something
so awful? But we need totake love and in the form of courage

(01:28:45):
into these situations, whether it's throughthe way we interact with the media or
more importantly, the people around us. I didn't know about this story until
an acquaintance at the gas station broughtit up, only because they know that
I do a podcast and and yeah, so it was interesting that I was

(01:29:06):
presented with that information in that wayand now here we are talking about it.
But I think, you know,your reality is yours too, it's
your realm, you know, tomind, you know, mind your own
realm. That's kind of the protocolthat I go by. And if something's

(01:29:27):
not serving you, it's it's notunhealthy to avoid, you know, especially
media. I'm not saying don't beaware of what's going on, but mitigate,
you know, because if you're feelingthis way, I would definitely recommend
taking a practice to connect with yourhigher self, with your forge, your

(01:29:53):
source, you know, so thatyou can feel rooted and safe in that
allness that at all well, forsure, but what this man or what
this man did, if he hadjust jumped off a bridge or shot himself,
we wouldn't have heard about it.This guy is like his call for

(01:30:15):
help was very significant because now everybody'sgoing to talk about it. It's like
that picture. You just can't putthat picture. I can never forget that
picture. It's one of two picturesthat really stuck out in my mind.
The other one was where these Buddhistmonks were chopping up these bodies that were

(01:30:35):
they were feeding to the vultures,and it was just such a profound picture
because you realize you were looking athuman remains that were being chopped up,
and it was very religious. Butat the same time it was very like
because you know how you flip througha book and you're just not paying attention
to what you're really looking at.Maybe maybe you've got a point, all

(01:30:59):
right, So well, I'm notsaying I agree with what the guy did
at all, but maybe you've gota point. Like, first of all,
astrologically, we are in this Plutostage that we haven't been in thousands
of years, and things pretty crazyhappen in this stage. Secondly, like
the Vietnam War messed up people's trustin the government and everything so bad that

(01:31:21):
they felt exactly And we're not ina Vietnam war. We're in a war
of the mind right now, wherethere's so much dark stuff going on,
in so much mental blobbly. Youknow, nobody knows reality and we can't
even get to the freaking hardcore truthbecause there are things like well, child

(01:31:44):
traffickers there are, we know thesefacts, but instead my point is we're
focused on flat earth. We're allover the place because what everybody's lost their
faith in all the good things thatlike Hollywood has completely broken people's face in
them. You just don't know whoto believe anymore. You just like you

(01:32:05):
look at like I just said,I don't trust Taylor Swift because I don't
know if she's not being paid bysome subversive creeps out there who want to
use her for their own means andmanipulate people. And I think that's what
everybody's feeling right now, is somanipulated. We've just come out of COVID

(01:32:26):
and we'd be felt hugely mean.I mean, I'm so angry about COVID
died. I just don't know whatto do with myself. I mean,
I can't talk to people about itbecause you know everything, you just feel
like there's one person who you can'tsay nothing right. So now you can't
talk about it. You can't expectlain your truth to people. And you

(01:32:48):
know, we're finding there's a hardbacklash now to back to Christianity that wasn't
there ten years ago. People arelike no, you know, like Ryan
Gosling's left Hollywood to go and beChristian, and there's quite a few of
them actually who you know, protheir Christian roots. I don't keep up

(01:33:11):
with pop culture as well as otherpeople do. That's crazy, you know.
I don't need to be contrarying towhat you're saying, but I found
that, you know, as muchas what you're saying is true, It's
become easier in some ways to makegood connections with people that I do agree
with. And I don't know youknow for sure, but you know,

(01:33:33):
I think most people feel like ifyou find people that you agree with on
this kind of stuff, for everyone person you find that you can really
talk to about it, Like Idid this other day with this lady and
we were just like, can youbelieve all the crap that's gone down and
Canada it's like it's awful. It'sjust this country is I'm not gonna say,

(01:33:57):
but I'm just I just can't blieveall this stuff. You know that
we've gone through it, and justlike it just keeps coming at you,
and you're like, well, Mark'sgot a point though, like do you
I trust Mark? Mark? Trustme. We kind of hang out with
each other when we can. Itrust you. Jim V Well, I
think in this community you can reallysort of hang your hair out and say,

(01:34:21):
Okay, I really think this ishow I see it, and and
it's sort of a uh. Butthe the cultural blaming and the weird stuff
that came down the way you were, I felt like I really understood what
fashion fascism was about. Sure Canadathat went on like if you didn't wear

(01:34:45):
your masks and all that. Idon't want to go back to that.
But I think they had a lotworse than we did. Bro, Let's
just be honest, like Canada didhave a pretty rough I we just booked
the Danger Cats on tinfoil hat.I'm a friend of Sam Walker. I've
been fan of his comedy for awhile and they've been just like canceled threatened
the world in jokes and it's ridiculous. I mean, you know, comedy.

(01:35:12):
I think it's really important to havepeople like you guys out there,
you know, absolutely speaking your truth, because there's people who need to hear
that truth as well, for sure, because there's so many people who don't.
You just don't hear it on yourmainstream media anymore, like it's just
it's not out there or it's forgottenabout it and we're talking about other stuff

(01:35:34):
now. But this man who committedI just will go back to this and
then I'll let you guys go.Man who committed suicide. The way he
did it, it was to getattention. And it was because I think
we are living in these times thatit's like, hey, pay attention,
wake up because this is this isweird. It's weird. I really feel

(01:35:58):
like it's weird. I never feltlike that ever I was growing up,
and I never felt like it whenI was in my twenties. You know,
life was good. But now Ifeel like we're with with our food,
all the stuff that's coming down withthe food, things that you know,
like you don't have decent food toeat anymore because you're being told all

(01:36:18):
the stuff about round up ready cropsand how they're affecting people's got biomes.
Like this stuff is real. You'renot yetting, You're not Uh, people
aren't getting enough good food to eat, and I just don't understand. Maybe
we are finding out the truth ofthe Blue pil just how blissful ignorance is,

(01:36:43):
you know, like, yeah,we're dying. I feel you know
what, we were happy here rightlike we're freaking out. Man. You
know, there's so many people outthere who are just like they're lost,
and I feel like I'm lost,and I mean I just can't even like,

(01:37:04):
honestly, at one point, Iwas like, I can't even think
about going to heaven anymore because Iwouldn't be I wouldn't be a good candidate
for heaven. I would be sayingall the wrong things, like Okay,
I think I'm going to be goingdown and looking in the dark palasis for
friends down there. But I meanit just felt like that. Now I

(01:37:25):
don't know what to think anymore,But I'll let you guys go in and
thanks for listening to me, becauseI just had to share that about that
month. Sure, Yeah, anotherperspective is good. I get it.
You know. Okay, how agood night, guys, all, let's
keep listening. Thanks bye. She'sgot some solid points, bro. Actually,

(01:37:46):
my grandparents are from Canada. Imean, they do they get the
sore end of all that, ofevery part of what happened. They left.
My grandparents left. I think theysaw the writing on the wall in
nineteen forty so yeah, yeah,so yeah, no. I mean sounds

(01:38:10):
like Genevieve could take a nice walkoutside and take a deep breath and butt
sure. Yeah, like there isthe world's not an ending. You know.
This is this is what happens whenwe don't like first and foremost,
like this country. JFK was right, Like this country was bill boss,

(01:38:30):
and it's supposed to be supported andstayed and made boss. When we sit
back and let everybody tell us howthings are all the time, this is
what happens on a one note.One interesting note that Genefe, you've brought
up about the guy in Vietnam.You know, it is kind of interesting

(01:38:51):
that now we're seeing this, youknow, happen twice now just this year,
right with the self emoliation, andthey can conspiracy theorists term was kind
of popularized in that same period,around the Vietnam War, around the time
JFK was assassinated, right, thisconspiracy theorist term was weaponized, and now

(01:39:14):
we see, you know, actualpeople who identify as conspiracy theorists being maybe
possibly weaponized in some former fashion,or at least just exploited in the sense
that you know, this person,you know, had a cause to their
death. I don't know that it'snecessarily appropriate to share it on the media

(01:39:34):
because I think it encourages more peopleto do that, and I think there
are better ways to spread a positivemessage. But I understand, you know,
Genevieve's sentiment with like, yeah,I was, you know, taken
to an extreme because he had anextreme cause. But at the same time,
I really I have problems with thinkingthat way. You know, if

(01:39:56):
you if you want to address theproblems going on in America, there are
ways to do that. You know, in my opinion, is self emoliation.
That represents the same thing that wesaw with Black Lives Matter, where
they burned down neighborhoods in the nameof racial freedom. I mean, I
don't know how that makes sense.Or they burned down you know, businesses,

(01:40:19):
small businesses in the name of Rachel. Well, did this guy hurt
anybody else but himself? No?But at the same time, it's like,
you know, because I agree withyou what you're saying about that,
because that was stupid. His conspiracynotions were vague and not really like you
know, it was just kind oflike, yeah, if that stuff was

(01:40:42):
part of his life, I thinkit had consumed him and taken him to
a dark level. And sure thatcertainly the inevitability with this stuff. I
think in my life it's offered aperspective that's been tremendously valuable, not just
with my podcast but now es Actually, you know, my podcast name is
kind of less meaningful because a lotof my family have come around to thinking,

(01:41:08):
you know, hey, yeah,maybe Mark was right about certain things,
because clearly this country we're in hisnuts, you know. So that's
that's concerning in some ways, youknow, I prefer to be the black
sheep, you know, in somesense and go back to the way it
was maybe ten years ago. Buthey, my whole life has been this

(01:41:30):
way, and our lives and mostpeople listening this, all these things happen
in stages, and I think,really, what's going on is the elites,
whoever's maybe managing what events get exposedin what way and things like that.
You know, I think they gamethese cycles ahead of time. They
know the sort of theme. Theydon't know the plot, they don't know

(01:41:57):
the maybe the exact climax of howthings are going to go down, but
they know this sort of theme andthe setting and that kind of thing,
so they're able to almost make somesort of calculation of what to do based
on going back to what we firststarted talking about when I jumped on,
you know, maybe this astro theologicalmythopoetic arc type that we're all connected to

(01:42:24):
through our consciousness. You know,I know that sounds like, you know,
a million dollar idea or something.But when it comes to this this
Max guy, you know, youhave his name. The word Max means
great, right, Max well andwell implies water. And then at Azarello,

(01:42:45):
you know, I think most peoplehave kind of picked up on the
similarity to the angel of Death asAzrael, right, So maybe he's a
symbol of a transformation that death islike anytime in our lives when we've all
hit rock bottom in our lives,and I mean at least once a lot
of us have experienced it, whetherit's mentally, financially or just all across

(01:43:10):
the board. But imagine hitting likeon top of that, you've hit rock
bottom when it comes to self empowerment, Like you get to this place of
untrusting and paranoia and I wouldn't evensay paranoia, that's a bad word.
Just untrusting and negativity and suffering sobad. We are like, not only

(01:43:30):
am I going to kill myself andto make a statement because I have absolutely
no power to do anything else,but I'm just going to show people exactly
how I feel when I do it. If you get that that is a
symbol of scorpio of death and transformation. But we've all been through it.
Man, you have to go throughit and all of us will physically die

(01:43:55):
and do the same thing. SoI mean, I I'm with you,
But most people are not looking atit like terms. Yeah, their fear.
It strikes fear in their heart,you know. And one point I'm
noticing the live chat New England dirtRoadie shout out to fellow New Englander.

(01:44:18):
Yeah, they said there are Indianfarmers who self emoliate all the time in
protests. I'd love it if youcould clarify, I think he means Indian
as in India, But I wonderwhy that's happening there. Maybe really,
and this is the point, likethis kind of thing, you know,
you to counter again, Not thatI disagree with Genevieve, but I think

(01:44:40):
she had a good point overall.But but it's just like they're showing us
this story. Obviously it's happening ina place where there's already news cameras.
Right, That's probably why he pickedit, because he knew the press is
going to be at the Trump trial. Right. This happened right outside the
courthouse where this is taking place.It also happened right next to where they

(01:45:00):
had a statue of Medusa holding asword in a severed head. Look at
the symbolics nature of all this stuff. Yeah, this will all be in
my podcast, I just record.Why do you think that happens? Man?
Do you think that's like inherent inthe like or is it just a
coincidence? No, it's never justa coincidence. It's it's it's mystical toponymy,

(01:45:25):
it's synchro mysticism, it's set andsetting, it's ritual. You know,
it's just taking taking place in away that are so subtle. You
know, you really need to beable to sit back and look at it
after it's taken place to understand it, which is kind of like the magic
of it, you know. AndI think that's kind of what these groups
game, what I was talking aboutcycles, and they're they're setting the setting,

(01:45:50):
you know, set setting the setting, set set. You know,
who's set right? Who who's sethright? Like, I think it's all
connected and anyways, not to gettoo crazy with the words, but I
think I don't know if it likeif it's a big like conspiracy, or

(01:46:11):
if it's like if it happened becauseit's in our nature, or if it
happened because the guy's just suffering sobad from all this that he thought that
was his only way to make apoint. You know, I would lean
towards what you just said in yourladder statement there, because uh yeah,
I honestly like not that I'm tryingto like put a pin in someone's balloon

(01:46:34):
here, but it doesn't seem tome like we should make this guy out
to be some kind of like herowho had a like a voice. Like
it seems to me like if anything, he was kind of possibly coerced subtly
into doing. Yeah, I do, honestly, no matter how beautiful it
may be to a Buddhist monk orwhatever, like I do. I'm with

(01:46:57):
you on that. I have ahard time. And that's what I say
to beginning to show looking at itlike you're some like you're a hero in
any kind of you. I reallydon't. I don't think of that Buddhist
monk burning himself as beautiful. Millionsof people were dying in his home country,
you know. I mean, that'sthat's suffering, it's anguish, that's

(01:47:18):
yeah. That and also again likewe don't know that that wasn't staged back
then. We have all these cameras, those camera guys that were in Vietnam,
they were with the military, theywere you know, on military detail,
a lot of them. So youknow, are we going to take
that? You know, I brolike if you think about it, though,

(01:47:40):
this is where we get got.This is where we get got.
Like when people say you got got, that's I think. As a society,
this is how we get got becausethey keep us focused on red and
blue, red and blue, youknow, to the point where we're always
looking for conspiracies. We're always gluedto the TV. You were always glued
to pop culture. And the onlything that we can do, like if

(01:48:03):
we really took what the mysteries quotethe mysteries taught us to change all this
is we would turn the fucking TVoff and we would go outside, like
you're saying, we would work ourplant and our own garden. Even though
the outside world is affecting it,yes it is. But the only way
that we are going to change itis from the inside out, right,

(01:48:25):
like yourself, your family, yourcommunity, your friends, and you can't
control the world, but there youcan make the biggest difference if everybody just
did that. Everybody in America isa part of a system, right,
so by yeah, in a lifeaffirming system that you can see directly in
front of you. You're protesting,right, that's real activism. This kind

(01:48:48):
of stuff where you sit and blockroadways and light yourself on fire. Yeah,
just scaring people more man. Well, and you know it just happened
near me down in New Haven,and you know the students block traffic and
they sitting in the road and allthis stuff, and happened on the San
Francisco Bridge, right, It happenedin like cities all across the country.

(01:49:13):
And again, like, I'm notunsympathetic to that. I believe in what
they're protesting for. I think that'sit's long over two, you know.
I mean a lot of fringe collegekids have been talking about the you know,
Palestine issue for a while. Yeah, but you know one again shout
out New England dirt road. Hesaid, this is the second time someone's

(01:49:35):
been you know, who's lit themselveson fire, the first person that was
covered in the media doing it,because there was a third actually, so
there's someone before these two, andit wasn't really covered in the media,
and I only heard about it becausethe first one that everybody remembers that happened
a couple months ago, and Iwas in front of an embassy, I

(01:49:58):
think the Israeli embassy in New Yorkor some other big city. And he
was in the military, this guy. I don't know if he was inactive
enlisted or if he was former military, But that to me is a red
flag as far as because that's justlike it happens at the most perfect time

(01:50:23):
during Yeah, I did, butalso they filmed themselves doing it. I
don't know if this guy filmed himselfdoing it, but the first guy that
was covered in the media filmed himselfdoing it. I think the one that
wasn't covered in the media also filmedhimself doing it. But yeah, it's
just again, I don't want tobeat the point up, but I don't

(01:50:44):
think the people in the Buddhist monkswho did that were necessarily doing that because
it was some sort of like ancientBuddhist belief like that was activism, right,
And I think it's a very youknow, it's a it's extreme because
of the war or wars are extreme? Is war complex that America is a
part of in other Western countries andother countries around the world, not just

(01:51:09):
English speaking countries. You know,the wars is bad causing effect though it
is so freaking powerful though, likethe ripple effect of cause and effect,
Like we could talk about the greatestlike everything that's on the TV all the
fucking time, and nothing changes,nothing changes when we're focused on that.

(01:51:30):
But you could go out into yourcommunity and a gas station could be ripping
you off forty cents. You onlygot two gas stations in your community.
One gas station's charging you forty morecents than the other one, and the
other one's trying to communize everybody ina certain way, and you could stand
up to that. You don't haveto get crazy. You could just look
people in the eye, be nice, be whatever, show them love,

(01:51:51):
and then ask them do you thinkthat's right? I don't think it's right.
And then one of your neighbors isup there pumping gas and they're like,
yeah, man, this ain't right. That's not right. And it
kind of ripples out, and thenthe owner of the gas stations is like,
shit, you know this isn't right. Maybe we shouldn't do this.
And then that gas station owner talksto his uncle who runs another gas station
in Little Rock or another city,and they're like, hey, we just

(01:52:13):
had this thing. People don't.My point is is like, if you
take it back to her medics,we don't understand our own power by the
hermetics alone. They take that awayfrom us when they get us to focus
on the big thing all the time. Look at the big thing on the
TV. Right, forget about yourcommunity and all that little stuff. Look

(01:52:33):
at the big scary thing on theTV. You see what I mean?
Like, that's what's going on,That's what pisses me off. And it's
not just that, it's in everything, relationships, conscious, exploration, business,
like every little thing. It's sosimple. Treat other people the way

(01:52:54):
you want to be treated and justlook at her metics and do what you
can in your life. And youmay never see the ripple effect of it,
but it's there. It's always there. We don't get the payoff of
the ripple effects sometimes we don't,but I promise you it's there. I
know that sounds cheesy, man,but like it's there. It's powerful man

(01:53:17):
in bad and good, you knowexactly. Yeah, arma, you know.
I think that's how most people mightknow it, karma. But yeah,
when it comes to like this personallike or personal self emiliation, I
think that's kind of again like ait's it's an constructive way to combat this

(01:53:44):
issue going on. And so Idon't think people should like, you know,
take this guy and make him intoa hero, a martyr, like
a saint or something, Yeah,because it's going to play into that whole
thing of like, oh, theseconspiracy theorists are crazy and they're going to
light themselves on fire unless yeah,dude, you're right about that. You

(01:54:08):
are right about that. And thenand it's going to be used, you
know, whether he was pro Trumpor anti Trump, is going to be
used to further confuse people around thiswhole nonsense trial that they have Trump in
right now, which was right infront of it. And again, the
symbolism's all there. Kris Noles andI talked about it. A bunch episode

(01:54:28):
will be out. Look at thebig ritual on the TV. Focus on
the original on the TV, right, Yeah, Yeah, that's really what
it comes down to. Yeah,I didn't laughing because people are like,
they're just constantly chatting about how muchweed you're smoking, and I'm I'm jealous
because, like, I can't smokethe weed they have nowadays. Dude,
if I was smoking what you're smokingright now, I'd be hyperventilating, having

(01:54:51):
a panic attack on the air rightnow. I really I can't. I'm
not. I could drink with thebest of a man. Hell, I
could probably go to a party anddo acid, maybe a few bumps,
even hadn't done that in a while. I could probably do that. But
the weed they haven't nowadays, it'stoo strong for me. Bro. I

(01:55:14):
don't know how you guys Night's Talkeryou too. I guess it's like a
tolerance thing you just build up overtime, you know, it has to
be Yeah, like I was sayingon the break, it's dedication, dedication,
right, dedicated. Oh dude,Like, when's the last time you
got so high you were freaking out? Well, it's it's funny because I

(01:55:38):
I don't know, I have avery positive relationship with cannabis. I think,
you know, I don't think itworks the same for everybody. But
I'll get like paranoia more often thannot that I'm kind of recognizing now is
kind of like just like it manifestus as anxiety sometimes depending on but it's

(01:56:02):
it's usually it's easier to reuice forme when I'm stoned. It's more like
the times that I haven't smoked,where you know, maybe i'm like a
certain way and then I'm like,oh, when you say paranoid, what
do you mean, like the copsare outside or everybody's looking at me paranoid.
Oh, it's more just like hypervigilance, I guess where like there's

(01:56:27):
like today, I was on ahike, and you know, it's not
unreasonable to think that there would bea black bear, Like, oh,
okay, I've seen black bears,but when it gets to a point where,
like I smoke a little bit likeI did today, and then I'm
sitting around and I'm the only oneout there and it's super remote and there

(01:56:48):
are black bears around, and I'mnot I'm not experienced hiking in this kind
of terrain. So I'm just like, you know, it's all new to
me, right, So in thatsense, yeah, I was a little
paranoid today on my hike after Igot high. But other than that,
I really don't. I mean,well, weed is a drug you can
still trust nowadays, too, right, I Mean you can get it in

(01:57:11):
stores if you want. You canstill buy it from buddies. If you
go, you gotta grow yourself.You grow it yourself too. Yeah,
that's my only recommendation because honestly,like I don't really trust street dealers weed
now. I'm sure, no,no, no, I just think that
like it's become like there's a lotof like street tricks that used to exist.

(01:57:35):
You know, people know, likeyou could get ripped off buying weed
because you'll buy like bad quality weed. But nowadays what they'll do is they'll
like candy coat bad weed with likea ton of like wax basically, but
they make it look like kind ofhashy, so it almost looks like just
like a bud that's like super crystally, but then you get you get into

(01:57:58):
it and it turns into like thispowder is just super dry. And I've
gotten bud from dispensaries too that waslike that. So it's just like,
yeah, I don't know. Yougotta you gotta know the person you're picking
up from is interested in organic,high quality natural bud. Is it it's
a conspiracy YouTube? Is Mark reallysmoking weed or is he smoking nicotine?

(01:58:24):
Well that the you, the YouTubersare onto something because I'm smoking uh,
actually tobacco that was grown into thesame state that I live in. But
I'm putting weed inside of this bacco. This is a thing called a backwoods.
Folks, you might not know whata You gotta be a real hippie
to know what a backwood is,right, gotta be cool to know what

(01:58:45):
a backwoods is. I'm not tryingto pat myself on the back, but
now Mark Steves never pats himself onthe bank. When I was younger,
you know, people used to bereally impressed at parties with how quick I
can roll one of these things upand people will be like, like,
oh man, you nobody rolls themlike you. Man. I even had
people hit me up like, ohhey, man, it's four twenty.

(01:59:06):
Could you come by and like rollsome of these up for us? Cuz
we screwed you know, so Ihave a reputation for you got a reputation
my cousin. Man. I don'twant to bust him out. I know
he watches the show every now andthen just to pick on me. But
before he got locked up, weused to go to the mall. You
know, back in the day whenyou go to the mall and do your

(01:59:27):
thing at the mall kind of thugin it a little bit when you're younger.
We would go into the the bathroom, like he just go into the
bathroom, dude, And I swearon everything he'd open a paper right,
he'd just open it up. Hewouldn't even twist the ends or anything.
He just like fold the ends,throw a weed in it, lick it,
and roll it on his leg.A couple of times, I swear
he just roll it on his legand that it was like he'd roll him

(01:59:49):
that fast, and I'm like,there's no way we're gonna be able to
smoke that thing. And but sureenough we go out, you know,
the kind of side exit of themall, walk down the side, and
it would smoke perfect. I'm like, how the hell is he doing that?
You know, I've seen all thetricks, you know, I've seen
people go like that and roll oneup and it would smoke good. But

(02:00:11):
I put a lot of like TLCinto my method, and the way I
smoke it backwoods is it's a specialthing. It's like a connoisseur. When
somebody loves something for a long time, they put time into it. They
you know, like I don't justbuy like any cigar off the rack,
you know, like I look atthe packet, I'm like, hold on,

(02:00:32):
are these fresh orre these grown recently? Or have they been sitting in
a warehouse for two years? Soall that shit matters when you're smoking,
especially it's going I'm a tobacco guy, and people think it's stupid and they're
like, that's dumb. It doesn'tdo anything for you, But it does
for me, right, like itdefinitely does for me. There's a lot
of conspiracy around that because there's allthis propaganda about it that tobacco is bad,

(02:00:58):
and that's just to throw people offfrom the real problem, which is
the pesticides. Because if you lookat history, old men have been smoking
tobacco pipes into their nineties out cancerand all these issues. It was only
when you know, JP whoever andall these big companies came in and put
money into big AG and made theselike super farms, or they spread,

(02:01:20):
you know, spray pesticides on thetobacco. That's when you start having people
I free. I do freak outaround any kind of pesticides, even when
you can weed killers anything, likewhen my neighbors spray it, Like I
get all these way. Yeah,I smell it, and I'm like,
dude, I just I'm like,I want to get away from it so
bad. You know, I quitit. Not a good job. I

(02:01:42):
should have quit it anyways for otherreasons. But I quit a job because
of that once because I was like, they were asking me to do some
stuff with pesticides, and I'm like, you know what, this job isn't
for me. I'm I want tohave this conversation, you know, but
yeah, no, I I'm verywary about it. Called me a hippie,
but you are a Hippi Mark.No one has to call you one.

(02:02:04):
You are one. I think I'ma mystic, but Sam Hippie Mystic
Sam Tripley told me it's it's stupidto give yourself a nickname. Yeah,
because you're branding yourself when you're already. You don't have to do that.
You're just Mark, dude, youknow. Well, yeah, Mystic Mark
is how I introduced myself on myown podcast. I would never introduce myself

(02:02:28):
that way. I might have,but I have never done it in person.
That's Mark flatters himself. Don't getDon't let this guy fool you.
He likes to flatter himself. Neverin person have I ever introduced myself as
Mystic Mark, but podcast probably yeah, my own for sure. What would
I call myself? I don't evenknow, man, Juicy Joe Joe.

(02:02:50):
This is Juicy Joe, Like,can't you already have a name? You
said you called yourself the voice ofthe night when it's the beginning. No,
I said, that's what I usedto want to do, right,
like I wanted to be the Itwasn't even me. It was like a
mystery of the voice, right,is what I liked. Theater of the

(02:03:11):
mind. You know, that's whatradio is all about. But we don't
even have that anymore. You haveto do video now, you know,
but you have to. I ama pretty good Southern voice. Though I
wouldn't see it. I think wehave a natural tendency. It's like we
want to be like this superhero kindof thing. That's why everybody likes watching

(02:03:31):
the WF. You got your ownname, you got your own walk down
music, like you're a big deal, and everybody's like, ah, you
know, it's the hero's journey.Everybody wants to look at themselves that way.
Yeah. Well, and I thinkit helps to have confidence in this
social media world where everybody's trying tobe their own celebrity eminem mystic Mark.

(02:03:56):
There you go. You can't dothe emin m though, No, that
is cool, but like, nah, I'm not listen. This isn't up
for debate. The name of itis what it is, and what I
call myself on my own podcast iswhat it is. I like I said,
I won't be you won't catch meintroducing myself in person that Yeah,

(02:04:18):
don't give yourself a nickname, don'tever do that. That's different. But
it's funny. Someone's like Mark doesn'tinhale. I just did a French in
hale. I could do over anormal You're not He's been inhaling the whole
time, right, Well, Icould blow a smoke ring. I mean,
what what do I have to doto prove that I'm smoking? Do

(02:04:39):
you go down that road and youstart trying to like satisfy them folks.
They're gonna play with you all night. Yeah, they're gonna turn me into
shoe nice out of the cabinet orsomething. Yeah. Yeah, we did
go over. I'm sorry about that. It was a cool conversation. I
hadn't talked to Mark in a longtime, so whatever. You know,
it's like once a year, ye, maybe once every six months. Actually,

(02:05:02):
when I called you today, Iwas just it was out of the
blue. I was like, man, let's just see what Mark's doing.
Yeah, you have a new number. I got like three numbers as in
your for your contact now, butchange my phone number sometimes. Yeah,
when I see the Arkansas on thecaller, idea, Yeah, who else
is calling you from Arkansas? Imean, unless it's some weird federal organization,

(02:05:27):
it's probably Joe. You know,who knows what law I broke but
yeah, the uh, the conversationsare always good and it doesn't have to
be uh you know, in sixmonth intervals. I could be irregular guests
here, but uh, that's upto the audience. I mean if they
if they want to a backwards rollingone oh one class, we can arrange.

(02:05:49):
We should do that. I wantto we should like five have mark
roll like five joints or something andjust judge them like one to ten,
How did he do? In style? How did he do? And yeah,
oh you mean like different types likeI can't just do like, yeah,
can you do that? What's yourlike? Do you have a fast
role like I told you, Likemy cousin he's got the perfect role,

(02:06:10):
but he also has the the legrole thing too, you know. Yeah,
well maybe I shouldn't say this onthe radio, but yeah, no,
I've seen I've seen some tricks.But again, like I don't I
don't need tobacco, guys, comeon, I don't need to do like
some kind of like trick like Icould do it within thirty seconds if you

(02:06:31):
if I have ever, So youcan't do a fast roll, that's a
pretty good explanation of you saying youcan't do it. Fast roll. I
appreciate that. Thirty seconds pretty damnfast, Joe very mellow conversation. Is
your channel, Mark ps, that'smy name on YouTube, but my channel

(02:06:54):
you can find it by doing Ithink YouTube slash put some crazy Yeah,
I just start my fan or goto the website. He's got every single
link to everything on his website too. Well. People listening on YouTube.
You know. I hate to sayit, but not all my best episodes
are on YouTube, just because Idon't want to risk tanking my channel by

(02:07:14):
putting like some you know, edgystuff on there. So if you want
the whole podcast, you got tofind it on a podcast app. But
occasionally, when I have time,I upload the video episodes to YouTube and
rock Finn. Typically the episodes thatget into more of like the supernatural,
spiritual, paranormal type stuff. Isave the conspiracy stuff for the podcast app

(02:07:41):
because I just don't want to risk. I've had my channel taking your strikes
and all that stuff they've taken downlike big Time videos where we but I
never I still have not gotten astrike, like they just take them down.
I had David Ike on the show, so really yeah, he's I
guess he's on some list or whathe's all over YouTube? How the hell

(02:08:03):
is this guy? Like, howare you getting to strocket with him?
I think it was just the timing, like it was right at the beginning
of twenty twenty two, I think, so all the COVID stuff was still
real hot in the algorithms, sothey are just banning, banning, banning
anything that resembled that. So DavidIke was on some list back then,

(02:08:26):
and yeah, so ever since then, I've been you know, certain episodes
don't make their way to YouTube unfortunately. But yeah, if you like YouTube,
I am on Patreon. I uploadall of my stuff to unlisted YouTube,
which doesn't affect my public channel.So if you really really love YouTube

(02:08:48):
and you only use YouTube, youcan pay five dollars a month and then
you can access some of those controversialepisodes. But unfortunately, just the way
zoom is, I don't always havethe opportunity to interview somebody and record the

(02:09:09):
video. Sometimes the connection isn't great, so I tell the guests to turn
their video off. I turned myvideo off and then I only record the
audio. So those there's not avideo version for every episode unfortunately. But
one day, one day I'll haveit, figure it out, and I'll
have it, maybe a stronger WiFi or not Wi Fi, but stronger

(02:09:33):
internet connection bandwidth, So all themore reason to tell people to support the
patreon. But anyways, this hasbeen fun, Joe, I love I
guarantee you. I need support,probably more than you do right now.
Oh you definitely, yeah, maybe, but but it doesn't matter, Like
I feel like it doesn't matter.I feel like the more the merrier,

(02:09:58):
you know, I don't. I'mI don't have a li mindset. Look
if you, if you find valuein the stuff you love, support it.
And even the people that don't supportit financially, they spread the word,
you know. So I think thepeople that can support my five dollars
tier can also pay however much foryour supporter's feed. And you say that,
or we all say that, butthen when they look at their bank

(02:10:18):
account the end of the month,they've got forty five subscriptions on it and
they're using that rocket fucking you know, Like I have a well here's the
thing, and we don't have togo too long. But I have a
kind of altruistic view of it becauseI've been a supporter of like a bunch
of different podcasts for a while,and for there's been periods in my life

(02:10:39):
where I'm like, I can't affordto do this, But I've never really
canceled unless I've stopped listening because Ikind of believe in, like, you
know, supporting this stuff and thatgood karma as well as work. Man
too, it's a lot of work. Secondly, YouTube's got us too,
man, Like, I works sohard to be able to get monetized on

(02:11:01):
YouTube, right just to still domy podcast the way I want to do
it, but get monetized on YouTube. But then they have one hundred dollars
threshold, right, so you can'teven touch it until it reaches one hundred
bucks. So I've got people thathave donated on there for the first time.
It's just hanging there and I'm like, what is that backwoods? So
what are they going to do?They're going to hold that fifty dollars for

(02:11:24):
the next six or seven years.I say, give it back to the
people. Man. You know,YouTube shouldn't have this much power. You
just it's wrong. Yeah, ohyeah, I think YouTube plays games with
people. I know a couple ofchannels that have issues like that. Luckily,
my show's not big enough to havethose issues. I didn't mean to

(02:11:48):
interject with the backwoods. I justsomebody in the chat was like, those
joints don't look like joints, andI'm like, yeah, because there's not
joints. They're back. It's tobacco. He told you it was tobacco scars
people. You know, hey,weed's only becoming legal in a lot of
places recently, and not every statehas like an underground drug culture. I

(02:12:11):
was just fortunate enough to be raisedin a shitty community. Well, it
was good to have you back onthe show, Man, and I recommend
everybody put, at the very leastput Mark's podcast feed in your player and
listen to it, because a lotof us started listening to Mark when he
started out. I kind of thinkI was around when Mark first started out,

(02:12:33):
and the damn Show has become it'samazing, right, Like it's become
a legit, authentic podcast. AndI don't have any personal friends or even
any hardcore personal associates that I dealwith that are not authentic ogs like people
that say what they feel, theyknow what they believe, and they're like

(02:12:54):
like trying to be everybody's buddy.All I would say though Mark is probably
one of the nicer ones, andhe takes a lot of shit from a
lot of people and still puts outheavy content a lot of times. Dude,
So I appreciate what you do,brother, Yep, yep, yep.
Like that flattery. Oh day,the excited say the same about you

(02:13:16):
on my show, Joe. Sodon't worry, it's all reciprocal. Uh
yeah, next time you come on, I might smoke with you. I
haven't smoked in a long time.But if you guys actually wanted to see
me have a panic attack, ifthey'll get more views, i'll do it.
If you'll donate, i'll do it. But I'm not gonna get I'm
not gonna get too. I can'tget stoned. I'll make a fool of

(02:13:37):
myself. Yeah, I told youwhen I went and spoke at the thing
that Grimerica did, like it wasone of the first times I second or
third time I actually did a speech, right, So they paid us to
go down there to speak and presentto people, and freaking Carl Wood got
me so high. The only thingI could do was hear people breathing.
That's it. That's all I coulddo. And I freaked out. And

(02:13:58):
I actually thought I was gonna die, and I think I ruined my speaking
career at that point, Like it'sover. You know, here's the thing.
I've always said that, like thepanic and the paranoia that comes with
smoking weed is is coming from atrue place that you can address, right.
It's not. It's not like anallergic reaction, you know. It's

(02:14:22):
not like peanut butter where you can'tever have it again because it'll kill you,
like some people used to think thatway. I think now in like
legal states, the stress of smokingweed has gone down considerably. But in
the past, like people would freakout because they would get high and they'd
be like, oh shit, likeif I get in trouble right now,

(02:14:43):
I'm fucked, And then that ideawould just screw it. That for me,
dude, Like you know, whenthe crowd's roaring, you're at a
party and everybody's talking, there's backgroundnoise, the vibes are good, right
and zona yeah, and then someone'sjust their passing joints arounds a good time
and it's like, oh, timeto speak, Okay. Then you get
on the microphone and everybody goes quietand they're just looking at you, just

(02:15:05):
mouth breathing, you know, andyour heart's sitting there going because mine.
I don't know which one is thisTV or the other one. One of
them gets me really going. It'san introspective experience, you know. It's
not a party. It's not aparty drug. Me. I've conditioned myself

(02:15:26):
over a long period of time tobe a little a little bit weird.
But I think for most people,cannabis is super introspected, and for someone
like me, who is already reallyintrospective, I think it pushed me out
of my shell very deep. Alot of people it just like draws them
inward so they can't smoke in socialsituations. And I was just talking about

(02:15:52):
this with somebody. I would havebeen fine if I didn't have to speak,
I'd have been fine. It wouldhave been cool. Yeah, it
was just it was just a suddensilence in the mouth breathing, like it
triggered. It triggered it. Let'sput it in your way. It triggered
some existential crisis on the inside ofme, you know. And I was
like I couldn't land the plane,you know. I was like, I'll

(02:16:16):
just do a better speech tomorrow.And then that night what's the same Darren
from gri America, right. Isaid, look, and you're right,
Genevieve. I said, look,if what's about bedtime, If you got
some Indica, I'll smoke that.He's like, yeah, no, here's
here's this and it's dipped in thisright, it's all India. And it
was I should have known better becauseit was Darren, you know. And

(02:16:39):
I hit that thing like three orfour times, and Owen was beside me,
fixing to go to bed, andthen he goes he looks at it
and he goes, oh shit,no, this isn't indika. This is
the sativa stuff, right, Andthen my heart is just beating again.
Dude, Like, I'm trying togo to bed, and now I feel
like a I don't know how toexplain how I felt, but I had
to I am vodka, you know, just to try to level myself back

(02:17:03):
out so I could sleep. Youknow, you wore your heart on your
sleeve, and I think Darren tookadvantage of you there. I think he
played old Indian trick on you,and he he told you it was sativa
even though it was indicat or something. Yeah. Plus you efect got to
your head. No, no,no, it was like for sure because

(02:17:26):
uh Owen told me that too,like he said, and even and this
is the funny part, right,I'm being honest about how I feel.
I'm like, listen, my youknow, I just explained everything I was
feeling in the craziest way, andeverybody's oh, laughing, right. But
when you go to another room.Even his girlfriend come over, she's like,
hey, I'm just telling and twopeople did this. They're like,

(02:17:46):
I'm just wanting to tell you.Like I was freaking out too. I
just didn't want to say anything becauselike I'm afraid I was gonna get made
fun of. And I'm like,doesn't that make you feel like you're going
to freak out even more because you'reworried about what other people think? And
then you're like, oh, I'mfreaking out. Just say it, man,

(02:18:07):
you know, like, just sayit. But it's funny to me.
Anyways, we're gonna we're gonna getout of here. At next time
we have mark on, I'll saythis though, I'll try something. I'll
have to make sure I get theright stuff. Maybe maybe uh here's my
recommendation, maybe maybe get some You'rein Arkansas, so maybe get some Delta

(02:18:31):
nine. I don't know, Maybethat's a bad no. I want some
natural flower man. I don't wantany synthetic stuff. Get well, not
necessarily synthetic. It's just a loophole. But it's still weird. But yeah,
maybe try an edible because you couldmanage the dosage a little bit easier,
you know, and it would hityou in a different way than it

(02:18:54):
would if you smoked it. Youmight let prefer I can smoke. I
think, I think you're right.I can smoke. Fine. Certain things
trigger there's like a trigger moment.You know, well, who knows you're
in Arkansas? I don't know.I've never been there. Maybe you got
some good weed down there. Maybeit's some Mexican dirt weed. Who knows,
So be careful. We're gonna endon that mech See. Mark turned

(02:19:18):
this whole scary situation of a deepthing into like a fun that's what we
does. We should just that's it. That's probably what's going to solve all
of this existential crisis. We're allgoing through just one big smoke fest.
Let's just do it and then moveon with our lives. You know,
right, I'm down with that.Thanks, for coming on Mark my family

(02:19:41):
thinks some crazy dot com. Givethem a follow, support them, help
them out, Support the Friends FMif you can. Oh, by the
way, there's a there's another wayyou can support to the ad free content.
You can subscribe to that eight hundredand something episodes of ad free podcast
for two freaking dollars at speaker tootwo bucks. I get a dollar of
that, They get a dollar.That's not much. Think about that.

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Can you get a dollar? We'llbe back tomorrow night, sweet dreams.
We do not dominate these forces.They dominate us. Life on Earth is
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