The Cosmic BUG ZAPPER w/ Nightstocker

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Welcome, Welcome to Lighting the Volume. All broadcasting live from a shack on
a hill in the Mossy Creek bottomsof Kane Creek, Arkansas. This is
Lighting the Void live on the FringeFM. It's Monday night. I usually
do music shows Monday night, sowe don't do video, but it's a
special occasion. It's the only nightI could get a nightstalker on because he's

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such a busy dude, and we'regoing to talk all things. I guess
Wes Penry simulation. It's gonna bea night stalker night. We might throw
on some tunes too as well.And if you're listening live, I'll open
up the phone line soe you cancall in at five oh one triple seven
fifty six thirty one. That numberis always a call line. If if

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I don't, if I don't pickup, then just leave a voicemail.
And I want to thank Barney formaking a donation. Thank you, brother.
That was really awesome of you todo that. Man. And I've
just been busy, busy, busy, busy, busy. I gotta find
a hold on night stalker. Whereare you at? Which input are you
on? Brother? You're here rightyou're still here. I'm here, I'm

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here. Okay, you're here.Good, all right? So man,
how you been, Dude, Iain't talk to you in a long time.
That's a bit. How about yourbrother? I mean fine, we
talked a little bit a few weeksago. Ro Man. Yeah, just
more the more of the same,nothing, nothing too crazy, just the
usual usual grind. But uh gladto be glad to be uh glad to

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be back. Lighting up a littlewelcome back splip to begin the show,
and let's get into it, youknow, welcome back split nice hearing the
intro and everything. It's like alittle nossalga for me. We got a
busy week this week, man.We got Dave Cruiz tomorrow night. We've
got Mike Martin Wednesday night. We'vegot Ronnie Pontiac who Thursday night, who
was the last student of Manley P. Hall or I think one of the

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last students of Manley P. Hallis going to be on the show.
So it's guests all week. Soi'd but to show you how important this
was. Like I was roofing allday, all the way till dark.
I had less than an hour toget ready, hadn't ate anything all day,
jumped off the roof, had tallall over me, went into the
bathroom, just splashed water all overme. You know, ran and got

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some pizza host bath. Yeah exactly, ran and got some pizza and they
came back just to just to hangout with you. Dude's thanks for It
was a tax day for me.I had a bunch of series of like
forty five minute naps, and Ikept waking up and oh shit, I
gotta do this, I gotta dothis, and uh, I'm gonna get
my I'm gonna get my second windright now talking to you guys. But

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yeah, yeah, here we are. Tax it's going to be back.
I'm probably a couple of years behindon taxas. I gotta be honest with
you. I don't like even messingwith the government. I hate I hate
it. So I always leave itto the very last day because I don't
I don't even get mine back anyways. Mine goes to my college loans or
whatever. So I'm in no rushto ever to ever really do it.

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But it's a pain in the ass. Rivers showed up river. She was
she was talking about Elier. She'slike, I don't understand the American tex
system. At all. She saysthat meme of like like dad, like
why do I got to do mytaxes? It's because of like if you
don't, they'll if like you comeand get you, Well do I gotta
do it? Like do we haveto do it right? Like how do
I figure it out? Well,if you don't do it right, they'll
know the like well if they knowhow much I owe, Like why don't?

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What do I need to do it? You know, it doesn't make
any sense. It's like this crazy, weird system where there's just it just
may discrew you. You know,it's only there to like discrewer. I
really don't understand it, so Iapplaud you for for drifting it for the
last few years or whatever. I'mnot trying to do like the Bill Cooper
thing where you know I'm against it. It's just there's so much stuff that

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gets taxed that we don't know whatit is. You know, we just
don't. I mean, you're you'reself employed too, so it was probably
a little a little trigger. Minemind. Couldn't be easier. Mine's the
easiest you can possibly do. You'rethe same same thing for the last like
fifteen years or whatever. It's enough. It's bad enough that it costs,
you know, ten dollars for apack of cigarettes one hundred and twenty dollars

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for a full tank of gas,and then they tax your dollar on top
of that. I know, man, it's bad. Bummer. I don't
want to think about it, tobe honest, what are you indeed talking
about? Tomorrow? Dave is goingto talk about the nephilin. I think
we're going to talk about the Nephilimand the giants and stuff. And because
days really big into that. Anduh, I apologize for my green screen,

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like I've I don't have professional lighting. I got dollar general bulbs in
here, so it's hard to getit to look right. Now that's cool.
I can't even be on video.I'm using for everybody listening, I'm
using my cell phone, so uh, be patient with the audio and everything.
But I just don't want to embarrassmyself using the selfie camera holding it
up all show and everything. Butnow it looks good, it looks cool.

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Experienced some kind of weird AI MichaelJackson set or something like that from
the from the Future. We're somemusic video. It's like it's lagging a
little bit, like something's messing withmy settings on here, you know,
but whatever, man who cares?So I gotta thing I want to talk
to you about. So Michael andMichael's wife, I think her name is

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Angela, they got their shirts.You guys look great in those shirts,
by the way. And then Gareth, our buddy who's we've been I want
to talk to you about this tonightnight start. But he got his T
shirt. So we do ship Tshirts to London, right, So if
we make five to six bucks offevery T shirt you buy, so you

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could donate twenty five to thirty bucks, or if you want to donate thirty
bucks, but you want something,you're still donating, right, So you're
getting a shirt, and that's howit works. But I have my pre
shirts my it's my work bag.I've got it. I've had it in
my work bag. I mean whenI don't wear it, it's like I

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have a sweatshirt let in for sweatshirtstill on right now. Like I wear
it every day since I've since Igot it, and I keep the I
keep the shirt in my work bagbecause like when I first caught both of
them, I was I got likein a fight with like my old boss,
or I got in trouble or something, and I feel like a sigil
protecting me in that moment. Sobecause of that, I don't know the

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shirt in my bag all the timewith me at all times, every single
day, it is a sigil ofprotection. Man, I got like,
I got it tattooed on my arm. Bro, I'm not right on it.
Yeah, hell yeah yeahin the shirtsfor sure, it says I'd like,
I'd love to hit the like button. But YouTube's new using their face

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got rid of it on all thelive streams. That's terrible. Why they
do that. Stupid They shut outthe chat everybody. YouTube is always changing
stuff, man, that's what Thisis why you got to have This is
why like we have to we're onlylike sixty five dollars away from keeping the
Fringe FM up, but we're alsosixty five dollars away from it going getting

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shut down. Yeah, but thisis why we like keep it running because
we don't know what's gonna happen,you know, like what, it's not
that like digital radio is cool,but it really is sometimes the only platform
that we have. I'm not sayingYouTube is gonna like they've been kind of
cool, with me. But thenthe other day they took Dan Henderson's video

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down because I guess he was talkingabout COVID or something. I don't know,
and they just said, we're takingthis down, and I'm like,
okay, well, what can youdo about it? You know, yeah,
I mean I don't I don't followthe I don't have TikTok er all
the kind of stuff. And it'sa it's a different thing, but there
are people who are depending, likeyou're having your career and your like livelihood

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based on some kind of some nebulouscorporation that you can't get in touch with
if you get banned, you can'tget in contact with them, and it's
it's the worst process ever. Andthen you've been Now you have an entire
app in TikTok where people are likequitting their jobs to be TikTok influencers,
and now there's a chance they're goingto like completely lose the app. And
what do they do? You know, they don't have any like friendship them

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or any kind of like infrastructure liketo keep this keep this stuff going,
you know, like I don't know, like it sucks. They have to
be at the whims of a corporation. Yeah. Well here's the thing too,
I'm never going to stop asking fordonations. I'm never gonna stop trying
to keep this thing growing. I'mnever going to stop talking about it.
So if you don't like it,you need to go, you know,
because it doesn't. It's being alistener supported. Like we get partners and

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stuff every now and then, LikeMary's a partner, just bs me is
a partner. But they're small folklike us. Man, they're bumper sticker
businesses, and you know they can'treally afford like major sponsorship stuff, right,
so we do what we can forthem. And bumper stickers are still
cool by the way, you know. Yeah, And I mean, like,

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I mean, money's tight for everybodyto understand that and stuff. But
just when it goes, when itgoes to like places like like this,
I mean, you know where it'sgoing. You know, you know where
it's going. It's it's more importantthan like, I don't know for me,
the extra comic booker, I don'tI don't even know what I'm just
I mean, it sounds cliche,but just help it bread out. You

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know you can hear right now listening, he's giving me free content I mean,
help it bread out. He doesn'task for much. You know,
I've sacrificed a lot for this station. Man, people don't know, and
I don't care to tell him becauseit because I don't want to be that
guy. That's like I've done allthis stuff, you know, and you
just start pouting, you know,like I don't want to be that dude.
I don't like to beg steal orborrow. I don't like to do

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any of that stuff. So butyou know, we all need help me.
Like Night's Talker, We're going We'regonna have to do a fundraiser to
get you a freaking laptop. Bro. Oh yeah, I'll hopepefully. Maybe
maybe I can get some of mysome my my state taxis backet middle you
can go to it towards it.But yeah, hopefully at some point I

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can I can get in the game. But yeah, don'torry about man.
Here's the thing, here's what Iwanted to talk to you about, and
then we'll throw in some music andstuff. So for the past few weeks,
I've been reading this book called DealRyan Books. So just hear me
out so you understand what's going on. So a friend of ours who's really

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a good friend of ours. Garethreached out and he said, look,
man, you know I'm reaching I'vebeen diagnosed with ALS, which means I'm
reaching the end stages of my life. And I've been reading these books,
and these books have been telling methat when I die, it's just a
big trick, like my loved onesare going to be there, but it's
a big trick. Or don't goto the light. It's a big trick.

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It's a trick. And I'm readingthese books. So I've been reading
these books on air trying to youknow, like figure it out, figure
out, you know, like ifthere's any truth to it at all,
just to try to help them.But after reading Jason Quit's book, I
got to say, man, likeI think all these well, I don't
want to skip ahead, so letme tell you the full story of this.

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So this guy is claiming like heknows a lot of stuff, but
he's that we're in this kind ofsimulated reality where the planet is made into
like a prison for energy, andthere is an actual universe, we just
can't see it because it's kind ofsimulated and covered. No souls can get
in and out of the universe,and it's not really a fatherly created god.

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It's a queen that's running things andfrom Orion. Basically it's Orion that's
running. And so they've they've madethis big simulation and that Lucifer, Uriel,
and Inky are the same person andit's actually this queen's I think it's
this queen's son or step son.I forget if it's a step son or

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son. And he rebelled against thequeen and like, so he's it's really
just this Lucifer character that's running everythinghere and inside the simulation, keeping us
in this like recycling bin, youknow. And I read I've been reading
this book. In this book ischalk full of great information, except for
the one hundred and fifty pages onnarcissism and how the gods are narcissistic.

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And then he talks about narcissism,so obviously the guy has been like tortured
by narcissists in his life or something. But I wonder what your thoughts on
something like that, because I knowI could just break this whole thing down
to you and be like, whatdo you think? You know? I
mean, it's a complicated one,for sure. It's it's it's it's it
really when it gets down to it, it's kind of like the ultimate,

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the ultimate question. It's like whatdo you what do you do with that
moment at that at that at thatbig final adventure, you know, and
I and I don't know. I'veheard there's that book like the Trick by
the Late Book where I don't know, it's just kind of that cosmic bug
zapper, that thing kind of whydo why do bugs going to the bug
zapper when like, what's what isit that's kind of fooling them? I

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mean, does it feel good tothem? Kind of like everyone kind of
says, well, at that moment, just trust your trust, your instincts,
trust your intuition, trust your gutthat it'll you in that right direction.
But I'm sure moths and and likeflies or something like that probably get
some kind of oh look at it, it's so beautiful. Oh it feels
so warm and nice before they getzapped to death or whatever. So yeah,

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I mean, I I definitely don'tknow. It's it seems like a
pretty effective mechanism if you were likesome kind of arconic force and this was
like you were feeding on the recycledsouls of everything, and then in a
lot of ancient mythologies to ideas toescape that reincarnation soul recycling process. So

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I mean, yeah, I don't. I don't know. We'll cross that
preture we get to it, butit seems to yeah, I mean yeah,
I don't know. I don't.I don't. If the question is
what are you going to do whenyou die go to the light, yeah,
I don't know the answering. Solook at that DEBD five dollars.
Thank you for that. Appreciate thehound dog five bucks. Thank you,

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Barnie, appreciate that. Thank you, thank you. That's awesome. Thank
you. So here's the thing.What he says is, and this was
the last part of the book thatI read, that we get sucked into
this light tunnel. So there's holes. There's this grid that we're in,
right, and there's holes in thegrid. If we go through this darker

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grid that looks like it's into theunknown, that place is actually going to
take us to a rin so wedon't have to reincarnate. But what what
this this character did was he tookall of our love and all of this
I guess you want to say sexualenergy or loose or whatever people call it,
and made this light tunnel. Sothe light tunnel is made out of

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our love energy. So this iswhy people feel all this love when they
go through it. But the lighttunnel is leading us back to the recycling
bin. So when we die,he's telling us we're supposed to not go
to the light and look for likea black hole or a hole in the
grid somewhere to go through. Yeah, it's good. It's scary, it's
really because if we're dealing with somekind of archonic force that's capable of building

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a simulation reality, then I don'tput it past them that have some kind
of crazy light bait, you know, whatever the mechanism, if it's if
it's our own lover or whatnot,Like you can't you won't be able to
trust your instincts. You won't beable to trust your intuition. Like I'm
sure when a fish like a fishcould be dumb, but also if something
could smell really awesome, when there'sthis like fake worm or whatever in the

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bobbing up and down, they mightnot know any better. So for us
like two, I mean, there'sa whole I'd to call it like the
capital P phenomena when we're dealing withlike some type of some type of phenomena
like non physical that's interacting with usall the time, seems to be feeding
on our reaction first and foremost.See, so it can get inside of

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our mind and kind of like whereour memories, where our thoughts, where
our emotions, like like the wolfin Little Red Riding Hood, you know,
and it's just like really, itmakes it makes you not want to
do anything right, It makes youit makes you not want to do anything.

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And then people there's astral beings everywherejust ready to suck your energy.
Like think about all the people thatare about to like this is kind of
you know, graphic, but thinkabout all the people that are about to
masturbate, and then all of asudden they think, oh wait, there's
a there's a wolf here or somethingthat's going to suck my energy. I'm
not going to enjoy this at all. And if I do, this person's

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gonna take my energy. Like Ikind of think this is a stile like
flat Earth. They got this shipgoing so much. Everybody scared to do
anything anything good in life, pleasure, fun, anything, it's all gonna
get sucked into this light tunnel,so we can't you know, like even
does it take our hugs too?Like can we hug people? You know
what I mean, Like, well, what's going on? Yeah, it's

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a thing. Yeah, And whatis safe I mean is that are when
they talk about keep your thoughts likepositive or whatever, could even your own
into a monologue if we're kind ofthe power of positivity idea, if we're
kind of manifesting our own reality typeof thing, if the idea being my
quantum physics is getting to this pointand everything that we are manifesting reality.

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So whatever realm that we're in,whatever, like if it's a prison planet,
if it's a construct, if it'sa simulation or whatever, in order
to render that simulation it has tobe like kind of shot through us.
We're like we're kind of the realityrendering machine. And then something the idea
of being like something got in thatprocess. So so if like if there's
a if there's a machine, there'ssome kind of byproduct of that process.

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So us us rendering reality kind ofif creates some kind of like excess or
some kind of like byproduct that somethingfeeds off of and they seem to like
the negative stuff better. The positivestuff doesn't. It doesn't taste as good
to them. But if they canget us really hyped up and really like
afraid of stuff and really just likeoozing that sweet, sweet fear juice,

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they seem they seem to like that. So the idea is to get that
machine rolling in this fear mechanism.And it just reminds me of like the
news feed reminds me of like AIand that, like we already have AI
and algorithms that are feeding on ourhate clicks, like the things that you
don't like rise to the top ofyour feed and stuff. So we have
this these like arconic sentiences already feedingon our negative emotions. Just ramped that

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up one hundred years, one thousandyears, a million years, and boom
we got we got archons and stuff. And it's just like it's like,
yeah, I don't know, I'msaying lately, the reality kind of seems
like we're in this weird kind ofit be trippy to think about that,
Like you never you think you've hadprivacy, but you've never had privacy.

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I don't even I think I mightbe like slightly not agnostic a little bit
where it's like like because the technologyaspect of it, I'm I'm kind of
big in the AI is like ademon type thing that we're not. We're
not building a sentience. We're likecommunicating with like building high technology and then
communicating with something that already exists.It's we're building like a high tech Wuiji

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board or whatever. So it's like, if you're looking at humanity, it's
like, at what point were wenot using technology? It seems like technology
and so separates us from the animalsto an extent. So it's like,
what if this whole thing is somekind of prison planet or farm or a
giant machine or something like that thatis just getting It's some non physical arconic

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sentience getting us like neat puppet machinesto build something for it, build a
body for it, build a vesselfor it, which is AI, and
then like it takes our, ittakes It's just like how much of our
free will is just we're just machinesfor something else. It's building the body
for some kind of force, thatarconic force, and then when we serve
our one hundred years or seventy fiveyears or whatever, we get sucked back

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into the machine, spit out andcreate like we keep staying in the process.
It really it's scary. It's darkto think about it, and it's
like, that's what that's what thisguy says nine Talker. He says that
lose for in all his minions can'tgo back to Orion. They're not allowed
to go back. The only waythat they can go back is through because
we're these like creative beings, sothey can use our being to go back

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as different avatars that they're trying toHe said that they're trying to do it
through uh nanotech and uh what elsedid he say? Nanotech and something else?
Something something where it'll use like they'llbe like avatars using our soul energy
to go back, almost almost likesome kind of super high tech biological hologram

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technology type thing. It's like it'slike they have to. It's like they
have to in order to exist inour in this reality, they have to
like shoot themselves through us. It'slike the it's the idea that the gods
are kind of always fighting for ourattention. It's like these these non physical
things in order to have power,in order to have any kind of influence
on this realm. They need ourdevotion, our offerings are like our rights

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and that type of stuff. Soand we're sounds so crazy though, it
just sounds trippy, it's all.Yeah, it really does. I don't
know, but I resonate more withthe trick by the light aspect, where
it's like, I mean, whetherit's Ryan or Saturn or or whatever,
like the the reincarnations, the trapyou want to get out of that game.

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Yeah, but the a lot ofthe O Ryan Lucifer Lord he's talking
about. Yeah, I think that'smore like kind of sci fi stuff.
Yeah, he's flipping all of Stitching'swork on its head exactly, Yeah,
exactly, and saying, well,it's not really what you think. So
Lucifer Inky, Lucifer Inky, andthis archangel Uriel all the same person,

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and they've been tricking us this wholetime. The god that we've been worshiping,
especially in our religions, has basicallybeen Lucifer. Especially in the Mystery
schools, they know it's Lucifer,which Lucifer like in the misde Schools,
lucifers and Lucifer is a representation ofa certain type of energy. But nobody's
like worshiping that the altar of Lucifer, Like, no one's doing that in

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the mystery schools that there are Satanicgroups that put up statues of like bapha
Met that look nothing like the originalBaphomet. They put children on it and
make it look all crazy, youknow, and it's like an effigy that
they worship. But it's just thisstuff is so volatile and like is that
crazy? No one can find thetruth, you know exactly. I think

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it's less. It's really super complicated. I have a lot of thoughts on
it, but it's not very linear. I think it's less Lucifer and Satan
and more like Saturn. I meanthat it's it's something, it's something older
like, and you can take thatto like the second the false Sun Saturn
theories. At one point, Saturnwas kind of the dominant like God in

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the sky, kind of the darkFather, the Old Father type type type
of thing. And that ties inwith even like the David Ike type of
type of Saturn death matrix, timecube type, contracts, constructs and all
that type of stuff. Right,But like with narcissism, it gets super
like I have a real conspiracy paradigmwith narcissism. So if you were to

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like ask like Chris Knowles or likethe Aon Bite guys, they would probably
say, I'm not the only onesthat convince me of any of this.
Yeah, exactly, but I'm notsure. Still there's a lot of like
pro pro Christian narcissism out there,so I'm not sure if that's like I'm
My idea of it is that theAbrahamic God the Christian God. And this

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is not necessarily what I believe.This is just my understanding of narcissism.
Is that the Christian Abrahamic God isthe demiurge. It's the bad one and
the and the good one or thecreator, the one that actually like is
the god of the entire universe,is the neutral mondad and that thing does
not interfere at all. And thenthe thing that we've been worshiping as as

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God, as Jehovah, whatever isthe is the creator of this like pocket
dimension, prison planet Earth, orwhatever. So funny enough, all of
magic is based on Jehovah and Jehovah'sangels and the demons that they run like.
It's a big hierarchy of lower energyspirits demons up to angels to Jehovah.
Yeah, exactly, and that theand that the monad or whatever it

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is kind of that loving awareness thatlike Roald Dust talks about, or that
kind of that pure light, likethe not the false light of the the
trick by the light orion type stuff, but like that's true light they talk
about behind behind that darkness that youlook at, you gotta look for inside
that black hole, you gotta lookfor whatever. But it's neutral, it's
not it doesn't act on things,it doesn't have like a will of its

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own. It's just it's just thetotality of all of all that is.
So he calls it like, what'sit? Thank you New England, Derek
Roady for the five bucks, Thankyou brother, thank you? Shut U
tell ya? Uh the uh.So he's stuck on the idea that the
god that created this place is supernarcissistic, which to me it kind of

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makes sense because he acts like atoddler when he doesn't get his way.
I'll just not And that's kind ofwhat narcissists do though, when they don't
get their way. They don't justpunish you or say you hurt my feelings
like they torture you. Yeah,yeah, it's it's just like it's pure
pure shadow, self, pure ego. It's like the neutral Monad in order
to experience. In fact, it'slike it's the it's the Monad just puts

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into the Diad splits eventually into Infinity. It's the it's the neutral Monad having
to experience like infinity, like infinity. Okay, so in order to do
that, they had to split intotwo forces first, and those kind of
the So right now, I'm prepping. You're a Star Wars guy, right
yeah? Hell yeah? Oh yeah. So I'm not sure if he had

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this conversation before back in the day, but I'm not really a huge Star
Wars guy. Like my my Iwas like a big I am right now,
but like, you're not a trekkyman? Are you a tracking well?
So yeah, so this past yearI was not I was not a
Star Wars guy. I was nota star I was not a Star Trek
Trek guy. I was like bornand raised on superheroes and my power ranges
and that type of stuff, butmy my parents aren't sci fi people,

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so I was never really like theyboth both of those franchises seemed a little
old to me. I never gotinto the prequels when they came out for
some reason my parents took me thereor whatever. So I was kind of
like, are we sure like StarWars is good? Are we sure a
Star Trek is good? But thenlast year I just watched everything. I
just I had like a couple months. I just watched everything. It's wild

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and just it's I have appreciation forit and everything, but my perspective on
it is different than like everyone elsebecause everyone else is experiencing it like as
of happening and having to wait andexperiencing as it's hitting the zeitcast and everything.
And I'm watching the entire forty yearhistory in like a six month period,
and my takeaway is like, arewe sure that the Force is good?

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So right now I'm like watching everythingagain in order to form this gnostic
Star Wars thing, which I don'ttheory, which I don't think exists right
yet. And it's like I thinkboth sides of the Force. I think
the Force is the demiurge, andthat both sides light and dark, like
the light side thinks they're doing stufffor good, like a Christian, a

(27:27):
Christian warrior in the Crusades or whateverit thinks they're working for good whatever,
but the end results is blood,death and chaos on earth. But here's
the thing, bro, Like whatyou just said makes sense. So when
you listen to these people, theyact like, oh no, we're being
tricked by religion. And I'm like, I don't think you read your books
enough sometimes, man, like Isaiahin the Book of Isaiah, he says,

(27:51):
I form the light and create thedarkness. I form the good and
create the evil. I make allof it. Oh yeah, so how
is that? I think if youcome from this place like, oh,
God is an all loving god,love light, and and it just only
love, right, then, yeah, I could see where you would feel
like you've been tricked. But itlightly states in that book, I created

(28:14):
both sides of this thing. Yeahto me. To me the reassurance,
to me, it's it's a neutralmondad. So it's everything. So it's
the best stuff and the worst stuffin every shade of grade in between.
And so and you're it's like acombination of destiny and free will you have
like your destiny is kind of yourtrajectory, kind of like your momentum based

(28:37):
on the choices that you're making.But free will is that under that totality,
under that the idea of infinity,it's any single reality that you want
to if you want to be agood person, and those options are available
to you. If you want tobe a bad person, those options are
also available to you. It's justcause and effect. You have to understand
the effects of the causes really exactlyexactly so but so, but just and

(28:59):
then in the moment it's tough tosee, so you can do so again.
If you're like, I'm not sayingagain this is my beliefs, I'm
just saying, under this paradigm,if you're if you're going to live an
entire lifetime being completely pure to theto the Christian word or whatever. But
if you zoom out on the timescale and look at like a two thousand
year time period, if that thosewords and those things could be moving humanity

(29:23):
in a direction that we don't necessarilywant to be, which could be like
creating AI or creating our replacement,or creating this prison planet more so building
the prison bars around us or whatever. In order to do that, you
need, like like locomotion, youneed to push in a pull inhale on
next sale, you need two forcesto tug, like to go to make

(29:45):
it and to go anywhere you mean. So with Star Wars, I'm just
using that of the meniforms make senseback around the Star Wars here it goes
it's HiT's that like in order through. I think the force is not neutral.
So when I bring this up toa Star Wars fan, and again
people don't like this because they spenttheir whole lives believing that they're Luke and

(30:07):
that the force force is God orit's like some kind of neutral Buddhist thing,
or it is whatever you make it. So I'm like, so,
what's the conversation I'm I could behappening is are we sure the force is
good? And they're always like,no, the Force isn't good, it's
it's nothing. It's whatever you makeit is. The Force just is.
And it's like, no, that'snot what happens though. That's not the
result of anything the force. Theresult is every time balance is achieved quote

(30:30):
unquote, balance is achieved at theend of a trilogy, when it comes
back the next time, it isway worse for the galaxy, way worse.
And what do you mean? Everytime balance is achieved, it's way
worse. What do you mean thatit comes back the next time? So
it's like, for a moment,there's some kind of like pieces achieved.
Oh, we took out Darth.Oh we took out Kylo, Oh,
we took out whatever, and butthen the next time the Empire comes back

(30:53):
ten tenfold worse, with like abigger death Star or like ten thousand ships
that are all at more powerful thanthe Death Star. Or it's like the
average citizens of the galaxy are strugglingreal bad as these like space military magicians
that are fighting amongst each other andjust just blown planets up and everything.
And it's like, I think it'sare there some Darth sifth lord sneaking into

(31:15):
the Republic right after everything is exactlyI mean in the prequel trilogies, it's
literally like it's the it's the Jediswho were in the government at this point,
so it's like one sect of thegovernment versus So there's like an openly
bad side. There's like the darkside, and then there's what we think
is the good side, but thegood side. During the Clone Wars and

(31:37):
stuff, every single mission that they'reon is from Palpatine, who's the most
powerful bad guy possible. So it'slike both sides are both doing the instructions
on for the bad side, andit just it leads to But I think
it's going to happen for the seriesis what we're going to get a Force
wielding droid that the chosen one isnot Anakin. It's not Luke, It's

(31:59):
not you think it's going to belike a Scenti Chi machine. It's a
it's an Ai that it's it's theForce. It's an archonic force puppeting humanity
to make a more perfect vessel foritself, which is a machine in our
case. In reality, it's Aian archon in the Force. It's a
droid. And here's here's what I'mgonna say though, Like Force, the

(32:22):
Force also shows the the sexual forces, especially in the New ones. Right,
So you got the dark Sith Lord, the young guy Ben and the
goodie two shoe girl, right,and that's trying to be a Jedi or
whatever. These two forces are pullingtowards each other. You know the girl's
going to Girls always go for thebad boys in reality, right, because

(32:45):
bad boys represent what pure masculine energy. But they can make them good.
They can put their little circle aroundthis masculine energy and turn it into a
beautiful thing. That's what they alwaystrying to do, right, Yeah,
These two forces are the sexual creativeforces of the universe. These two forces
are the forces that cause us toachieve things, that give us desire and

(33:07):
will and fire. These two forcesare the forces of everything. So,
whether it's power or whatever, it'sall basically sexual. And I don't just
mean in the like physical mundane wordof sexual. So if you look at
it like on a cosmic scale,right from bottom to top. Bottom is

(33:30):
anytime there's an orgasm on the earth. When love comes together and an orgasm
happens, it makes a child.It's also it's the lowest, most densest
form of experiencing God. Right then, Kundalini is when you experience the higher
force in the same fashion. It'sstill the sexual forces, but it's also

(33:51):
the same fashion when you experience itin your body in a higher way,
which is what we're supposed to dospiritually. But these two forces are at
play all the time. Think it'smoney and it's all the stuff, it's
not. It's these two forces allthe time that are running everything you know,
and so I think that's in StarWars for sure, for sure,
for sure. And it's so ifwe're experiencing it as a human, then

(34:15):
there's like different like I don't knowif it's just if you zoom way way
way way out and you're some typeof like watch your figure or archonic force
or something that experiences time or outsideof time or whatever, then then like
the experience of the intermingling between themasculine and feminine energy are or like a

(34:38):
carrot and a stick in order toproduce a new being in order to produce
a new vessel for consciousness to inhabit. Run. Okay, So my point,
the reason why I said that iswhen you if you put consciousness in
a machine and you take away thealpha and omega, which is the creative

(35:00):
forces, right only only saying sexualbecause it's their gender forces, right that
that pull they pull together and theypush apart. They pull together and they
push apart. That's energy, LikeI said, I mean, you know,
I agree. So if if youput that, let's say you put
consciousness in a machine, those twonatural forces start to become less. It's

(35:22):
like taking the force out of theequation. I think it will manifest in
a way that we don't recognize rightnow that that there will be like for
for us, it's like a forhumanity, it's like a sexual energy,
it's like a million of female butfor a black hole it's just open and
closed, or for ampute, formachine in a different way that makes sense.

(35:43):
It's it's it's it's ones and zerosand stuff. It's it's like and
for sure, like like the storyis being told, like even Lucas themselves
says the Star Wars is being toldthrough the narrator of like R two mostly.
So that's why it's in binary.That's why it's it's it's always the
like the the interaction between these opposingforces the whole time, because that was

(36:06):
how a machine would tell it inones and zeros and light and dark and
stuff in this very little intermediary spacewhatever. But I think it's like it's
not just being told by a droid. It's gonna it's the droid story,
and that like under a neutral monadparadigm that like, I don't know,
it's it gets it gets real tricky, like in order it was just yeah,

(36:29):
I don't know, in order foryeah, there's a machine will be
a more perfect vessel for an iconicforce to acts will on the universe,
or even just a neutral monad toexperience reality. Already, it's already in
the workings, man, I mean, if it wanted to, it's already
in the workings, New England dirtRoad. He says, is it possible

(36:51):
for a male to retent? Iguess is what you're saying, ejaculate or
he retains the seed and sends theenergy up the spine to the crown.
Yeah, that's TNTRA. But youdon't have to do it yourself, honestly.
I mean, you could do thatyourself, but if you want to
get into the mysteries of TNTRA,it's better to do it. Whether if
you're a guy, it's better todo with a female partner, honestly,

(37:13):
Like is that you don't you justit's kind of like never ending for play,
but you do it with love.You have to open your heart all
the way. It's a question,a question. So that's kind of the
idea behind don't have sex if you'rea boxer before fight because kind of because
it builds up, Yeah, exactly, It's not like it's not like women

(37:34):
weaken legs, but you're at yourpeak energy. Yeah. So also kind
of also with the gnostic stuff alittle bit, like people who point it
look at the results of the ChristianChurch, look at what so specifically the
Catholic Church, and look at thepriests and the pedophiles and stuff. And
one argument is that because they're notallowed to have sex or even masturbate,
that it like warps their brain.And like, I mean, obviously a

(37:57):
lot of guys can relate to thefact that like, dude, yeah,
I like your thoughts, your thoughtsafter you come versus beforehand. Are you're
gonna make different decisions before and after? So it's like where's the line.
I mean, we're your girl willtell you that's the truth, but it
seems to be a more immediate thingfor like for us a little bit.
But like but why don't you cuddleand you're like you just turn into a

(38:19):
different person and you smoke right,Well I'm done. Thanks. Yeah,
it's like where's the line. Where'sthe line between like retention and gaining superpowers
versus like warping your brain? Andlike yeah, see that's the thing is
like there's a whole practice to likeopen up these energy centers, this whole
TNTRA thing, and then to feelthe energy between masculine and feminine. But

(38:44):
the thing is is you have tobe able to like you don't have to
open your heart. You can strictlydo it from the sexual centers, but
it's blocking everything else. Right,So if you can really and this is
what I think, if there's asign up going on, for sure,
it's to close not only people thirdeyes, but their hearts, right,
they're harsh. So if you canopen your heart up all the way to

(39:07):
someone, which is better if youreally do love someone to practice with,
even though it makes it harder becauseusually if you're that into somebody, it's
hard, right, But that's thepoint. You're supposed to sit in that
energy. And the more you letthat energy build up and the more you
open your heart, like, themore you feel this force, like this

(39:28):
divine energy, right, and itis magical actually, But some people say,
oh, it's just oxytocin or whatever, Like your feelings are not pathological,
they're not. There's something more tothem than that, right, Like
people just don't know that. It'sjust it's it gets complicated to where it's
like, how many of them arelike based on the programming and stuff,

(39:51):
and it's possible. Yeah, Iknow it's possible to do it by yourself.
It's sure possible, but it's I'mtelling you to get the peak effect.
It's better to to really love someoneelse here. You're not here to
be alone, or you would bedesigned to be alone. You had been
designed that way, and you wouldbe alone, you know, yeah,
exactly. But I'm still thinking afterreading Jason Quit's book, like I think

(40:17):
all this is bullshit, and I'lltell you why that could be wrong.
But is that what he's talking about, going full gnostic? Right? Yeah,
he's not. I don't think it'sfull. I got to finish the
book because I promised him I doa review on his book. But basically,
all of these gods, all ofthese all of these cast systems and
gods and the stories and the mythologiesand everything. Like Joseph Campbell is on

(40:40):
to something when he's like, there'sare there all archetype of energies. Okay,
we understand that, but when youreally pick apart their names and the
years they were born and all thenumbers that the stories tell, like if
you use code, Basically what I'msaying, so it kind of is technology.
This code shows the same fingerprint andevery story of creation, It shows

(41:06):
a numerological and geometrical story of creationbehind each character, whether it's Lucifer,
Uriel, Marduke, all these differentstories, it all comes down to the
same fingerprint and code. So thenif that's the case, then this and
all this other stuff can't be real. Or could it be because they're not

(41:27):
even real characters, they're just madeup mythologies of that explain this energy,
right, Yeah, it could be. Like, uh, I was watching
like last year, I watched theAlien documentary, like the making of the
movie Alien and stuff, and theywere just kind of talking about how these

(41:47):
like we're kind of where those ideascome from, and kind of how these
kind of ancient ideas and these likeeven like love Craftyan type ideas seem to
constantly becoming like recyclums over and overagain. And one of the guys compared
it to like cimatics, where it'slike imagine like a speaker or some kind
of like sound or whatever, andyou have the sand on top of it,

(42:09):
and the sound is like creating thepattern, so the sand will vibrate
into a certain shape whatever, andlike, so imagine just we're the sand
and you like turn the machine onit and it's vibrating into that shape and
turn it off. The stand kindof goes back to the normal. Turn
on again, it go back intothe same shape. So it just over
and over again through our history,we just keep all the sand is different,

(42:30):
the people are different, like thecultures are different, but we just
keep resonating and vibrating into into asimilar shape. So the stories might be
the sand. You want to hearsomething trippy though, now that you're talking
about this tech stuff, I thinkthis is all like a big tech that
we don't understand. That's why it'sbeen told in like stories on nursery rhymes
to us, Yeah, because it'slike a technology we don't understand. Yeah,

(42:52):
Like if you look at the Aokianlanguage and even the watch towers of
each element and all, you're supposedto look at them like three dimentionally where
you can see the different dimensions insideof it. And then if you trace
enough sigils, like if you startto look at angelic sigils and everything,
and these some bitches work, Okay, they work. You start to look
at these things, it looks likeif you back up and look at it,

(43:15):
it looks like a crazy motherboard exactly. It looks like all kinds of
different little buses and stuff. Right, it looks weird exactly exactly. It's
I mean, it seems even likethe phenomena even like like when we're talking
about like angels and stuff, it'sit seems just like super super advanced,

(43:35):
uh, like calligraphy, like likeholograms and stuff like shape shifting tangible plasma
hologram type stuff, and just likeit just seems like this constant thing where
we're just like, I don't know, we're building the new thing that will
eventually enslave us, and then we'llbuild a new thing again. It's just
this constant fractal of this continuing thing. I don't know, with the like

(44:00):
yeah, I don't know if thereis an end result or if we're just
like, yeah, I don't know. It just seems very very technological,
like even the the angels angles thing, like the angles being like angles off
of something. It's all math kindof at the end of it, all
kind of breaks down to math andsome kind of some kind of code.

(44:22):
And is that just because that's kindof what the basis of our reality that
just are are Like, it's notthat it's what it's made out of.
It's not made out of code,it's not made out of numbers or platonic
soulis. It's just that's the limitto what we can see. That's that's
the question. I think we figuredit out, man, Like we figured
out ones and zeros, right,we figured that out, and look what

(44:45):
we made with ones and zeros.It's insane happened with ones and zeros.
I think this technology uses like thatkind of thing, but it's like biological
and it's more complex quantum. Iguess you could say we went pretty deep
pretty quick. Yeah hell yeah,so yeah, like a break, he

(45:13):
said. I bet Nicola Tesla didn'tjarge. He probably didn't. That might
be why he was a genius,you know, but he was. I'm
on the I'm on the I don'tknow how much of me is just being
kind of a like piece of ship, like Devil's advocate all the time,
being like are we sure about theforce? Are we? But one of
my first ones is like are wesure about Tesla? Honestly, like,
as a as a conspiracy theorist,like this guy ye. I mean he,

(45:35):
yes, he died broke, butso did crazy broke. I'm like,
you know me, people die broke. That's that doesn't say exactly.
Yeah, love Craft he was acreep exactly, But that's that's the I
was always the argument. But it'salso he was like very famous at the
time. He was hanging out withcelebrities. He was running electricity through them
all the time. If you're asiationmythology, electricity is like of the devil,

(45:58):
It's like of Araman. It's likeit's it's like these demons and stuff
are basically AI. They were explainingit from the first mythology. So it's
like there of electricity. It's liketechnology isn't the problem, but it's like
electrical technology is the problem. Andthat Yeah, I mean like most of
you that he was saying that brokeand you don't know it. You know,

(46:19):
he was on drugs and he diedbroke. I'm like, so does
seventy percent of America exactly what isthat? Just anything? Right? I
mean they took it. Edison tookhis stuff like he's some kind of like
he's some kind of alternative like heroor whatever. But it's just like but
that's kind of the we don't know, like the end result of the things
that we were. He says he'sgetting ideas from from from the dead,

(46:43):
like trying to create spear phone andstuff. He said he was getting ideas
from Venus and aliens and stuff.He was getting ideas from the electricity.
He was like that man, hesaid, but did he Tesla said that?
But I mean I didn't. Ididn't talk to him. But those
are that's the legends. I don'tknow. But he was this guy that
I'm reading his book, he's sayingthe same thing, and like I'm getting

(47:04):
my body sensors are going off,like he's he's putting out some pretty genius
level, well not genius level,not Tesla level stuff, but pretty good
information. But then he's like,I'm getting information from beings from Orion,
but I'm not channeling them. ButI can't tell you how I'm getting the
information. Yeah, like exactly,it's I mean, they're getting you can't
why not? Why can't you tellme? You know? That's so I

(47:27):
don't think Tesla was a Charlatan.That's the difference. It's it's like it's
I don't think he's like I don'tthink he's flying or as a fraud or
anything like that. But I thinkwhat are I mean like the if we're
building some kind of iconic force andsome kind of like AI that's going to
eventually enslave us. Maybe it can'tdo that on fossil fuels. Maybe it

(47:50):
can't do that on an electric grid. It maybe it require Tesla level of
technology in order to eventually build thething that will imprison us forever, build
this matrix that we're all afraid of. It might require like he he,
because just because you get a downloadfrom something, it doesn't mean that download
is good. That's if you aredoesn't mean that's a whole other thing.

(48:12):
Yeah, But like if you're somekind of if you're like a lovecraftan old
one trapped outside of reality and theidea is to get back in. So
or if you're an archonic force tryingto have a grip on reality, which
is you need you need humans tobuild a vessel for you to inhabit.
You need us to build robots,you need us to build AI, you
need us to build something to communicatewith it. Like, then you will

(48:37):
set that's how you will do it. You'll send ideas to visionaries. You'll
send ideas to people in psychedelic states. You will give these people downloads,
channeling sessions. Like all of thesehuge leaps in technology come from the same
type of thing. Steve Jobs hadhis his famous assets. They're all so
it's like it's something is giving usthe idea for technology, and this guy

(48:58):
was straight up shooting electricity through hisHe was like, yeah, give me
the idea. I need it,I need it. And this is like,
yes, just because they stole hisship, just because he died penniless
does not mean he was like hemight have been a good guy first time.
But it's just like, are wesure about Tesla Tech just because like
just because like I don't know,Like just like they use the they use

(49:19):
the mainstream media is trying to stiflethis person as a way to like make
it seem like that's good. Imean, but that's like like that doesn't
that doesn't that's a that's an easytactic to make I mean. So it's
just like maybe the Arkans want TeslaTech, maybe they want us. They
want the richest guy in the worldwho's building AI to name his company Tesla.

(49:39):
I mean, like I don't know. I don't know, Like,
no, you got to take abreak. But I don't know. I
don't think people are sure. Ithink he's just like a lot of people
like like people don't people like Tesla. People think, oh, like people
like Tesla. Yeah, but I'msaying I don't people are gonna, like,

(50:01):
uh, be able to prove everything. But he's one of the people
that, like even Jason Quitt hadlike a Tesla magazine, you know,
he was Teslas one of his biggestfans, or he's one of everyone.
He's this he's this alternative like hero. But so what you sure if in

(50:22):
order to collapse the pillows of reality, it might require the level of technology
that Custla was talking about. Imean, in order to make it palatable,
we might need to like hide itfor a while. They're trying to
hide it for us, give itto us, and then when we give
it to us, it's our ownDenis. I mean, we'll be right
back on n you guys call.I'm gonna open up the phone line five

(50:43):
on one seven seven seven five sixthree one. We got to take the
radio station break. We'll be rightback real short radio live here on the
Fringe FM broadcasting to you live fromthe Shack. We got Nice Stark on
tonight. It's usually we do themusic shows Monday night. We still might
get into a little music. Speakingof music, guys need to follow Barney
aka hound Dog on TikTok. He'sI've been pushing him. I'm like,

(51:06):
come on, dude, put upthose solos. Man, he's been kicking
it on guitars, So give hima follow. And uh yeah, just
to let you know, night stalkor that camera, Mike, if you
rub it it sounds like a paper. I thought you were rolling doobies up
at first, you know, Ithink mansie so I got a bunch of
jackets. He's rolling up doobies,dude. Yeah, or maybe it might

(51:27):
be some beard action too. Sorrywith that, everybody, you're rubbing it
on your beard. So the wholetime you've been hearing your beard is it
bad? It's it's cool now,it's fun. Sorry, sorry, it's
just uh, you know, peoplelike nobody knows that. They don't tell
you that stuff when you get phoneseither, they're like, oh, by
the way, if you touch thisthing with anything, it's going to sound
like a car wreck. But ifyou don't it sounds amazing, right,

(51:51):
The MIC's on the phone sound reallygood though, honestly, they sound a
lot better than some mics do.But but I appreciate your input. By
the way, the calling numbers fiveon one, triple seven, fifty six,
thirty one. If you want tochime in, phone lines are open.
But well, but right now,can you here, Like, there's
really not much I can do.I mean, I'm kind of just like,
no, I don't hear anything openopening my mouth. Basically, I

(52:14):
don't hear anything as hard as justwhen you move. I mean, as
those mics are so sensitive, youcan hardly you can hardly do anything about
it anyways. So but you know, I appreciate your feedback on that,
man, because to me, itwould be like, look, if it
was Genevieve or Barney or any anyof the listeners, They're like, dude,
I'm I got cancer or whatever,Like I'm going to check out in

(52:37):
a little while, and I'm readingthese books and they're telling me like all
this scary shit. You know,Yeah, it's like, I guess worst
case scenario. You're just I mean, if you believe that reincarnation is the
next thing. Anyways, then worstcase scenario, you're just you're just gonna
get recycled anyways. It's not likeI don't think the idea is you get

(52:58):
tricked by the light, sucking tothe light, and then you're in like
a jar forever. It's just likeyou're just back in there in the eternal
process, and the idea is toget out of that game. But we
just don't know how good the goodis. I guess you mean I thought
the idea was to make this placeheaven on Earth. That's what I thought.
Yeah, you know, but it'simpossible. It's not going to happen.

(53:21):
You know, it totally could happen. It's not that it's not impossible.
It's just highly unlikely due to ourbehavior. But it if you just
took the laws of cause and effectand we stopped giving into fear so much,
it could it could totally happen.If we just didn't have a lack
of mindset, or we weren't afraidof shit, it could happen. Yeah,
I'm not saying I was going to, but it could absolutely could happen.

(53:45):
You know, if if I guess, if we're all just kind of
making the six feet in every directionaround us, kind of heaven on earth
in the immediate like environment around us. And if everyone is doing that,
then it does become heaven on earth. You know. If ever, if
everyone is making their little bubble heavenand when ore, that's kind of the

(54:05):
idea of the collective consciousness. Ifall of our little bubbles of consciousness are
heavenly, when they come together,we create heaven. And kind of the
idea is like, well, yeah, but that guy over there, he's
not going to do that. He'she's making terrible stuff. So my bubble
touches up with that bubble, it'sgoing to be a nightmare of reality.
And it's kind of like the economy, well yeah, well that person's spending

(54:27):
on booze and cigarettes and stuff,so it's just like real crap in a
barrel type stuff. And it's justlike, I don't know, there's no
advice here, but it's just likein dey could work, I guess,
I don't know. Yeah, Imean, like I'm buying booze and cigarettes.
Sometimes I just think that we Ithink we create. I'm about to
smoke a cigarette right now because I'mstressed. It relieves stress and anxiety,

(54:51):
you know, the doctors used toprescribe it, by the way, But
I uh, I'm the old schoolman, like I don't care, you
know, I don't care. Butthe the the thing is is the idea
of of the mysteries or spirituality orthis whole Kundalini mystery and the force and
all the stuff we talked about anyways, is to increase your consciousness to the

(55:14):
point of awareness of the higher selfso that when you do reincarnate you it's
you never forget who you are,you know, but now you know people,
I mean, anybody could say anythingis a trap. If you think
about it, like any good information, you could say, well, that's
that's just a trap. It's atrap with the with the remembering on your

(55:37):
next go around kind of. Imean, do you when people talk about
the idea this is a school,we're here to like learn stuff or whatever,
and that the purpose of like havingour memory wiped every time is so
that we can learn stuff or whatever. So that's the that's the goal.
Then then like why are we tryingto hack the game? That's what they

(55:59):
tell you because they want you tostay here because it's a trap. Yeah,
but that's that's that's the thing,which seems like more it's either a
trap or it's a school, likewe chose to come and carr it into
hear and all of our bad choicesare because our higher self decided that beforehand,
and blame him when you get backthere or whatever, or or at
the trap. I mean, likeit can't be the New Age community is

(56:22):
a trap. Yeah, Like there'sso much crap in it, man,
you know, it's like, honestly, it's worse than religion. Sometimes to
me, it's worse in it's worsethan orthodoxy. You hear people, well,
just to wait for the universe andthe unit. You are the universe,
you're the storm, you're the universe. You're waiting around on yourself.
Yeah, you know, it's likewait for divine timing and the universe provides

(56:45):
and I'm just gonna like do aritual or watch a vision board and everything's
gonna manifest. It's like you realizethat's how creation probably came into being to
begin with, but there was actiontaken. You know, you're not you're
the universe, So do it.Don't wait around for it, you know
exactly. Yeah, I get aquestion, it's gonna seem off topic,

(57:07):
but I get applies. So whenwhen when I'm talking about like we are
the manifesting engine of reality, likeI always give the Dark Side of the
Moon album cover as like, sothe monad or the Source or big seat
consciousness or like God or the universeor whatever is the white light. We

(57:27):
are the prism. This is justis just one on one stuff. We're
the triangle prism and then the realitythat we experience. So once the white
light is shot through our subjective prismtriangle, then the rainbow is the reality
that we all experience or whatever.So like with my understanding of sigil,
magic kind of is, or magichonestly in general is to just impact change

(57:52):
the prism slightly so that when thatwhite light is shot through, then the
reality that is shot it's the rainbow. This comes out on the other end,
is the way that you want it. So little tweaks here and there,
little hacks kind of is kind ofwe're going to have to start doing.
You remember all that the crap Iused to talk on here with you
say we're going to do some likemagic experiments on here. So I can

(58:13):
tell you everybody this and you're like, let's do it. Let's do it,
and I never got around to doingit right like so, so,
but that's with with sigil magic whenlike, because I'm into the idea that
they're trying to not like fake analien invasion or not like fake some kind
of apocalypse or whatever or like thatthey're a lot of their power and I'm

(58:37):
using like the nebulous Day or whatever, but a lot of like the power
of the controllers is through us.So I think they're trying to fake it
until they manifest it. They're tryingto surround us with imagery of aliens and
alien heads and titans and watchers andall kinds of demons and crazy stuff so
that like we don't see because makesit happen. Mean, like is that

(59:00):
is that sigil magic? So letme explain. I'm having a hard time
to understanding what you're saying. ThanksMichael for the thirty dollars, Thank you,
brother, thank you, thank youthink so so my I'm understanding of
sigil magic is so like take atake a phrase or take like some kind
of outcome that you want, andlike so say say it's a phrase and

(59:24):
then remove all those vowels from it. Yeah, and you're trying to create
magic and maybe like put that,put that in your your car dashboard or
something in the periphery so that youlike forget about it and your conscious mind
forgets about it, but your subconsciousmind understands what it is in order for
it to manifest. So take thatwith pop culture and the zeitgeist as a

(59:46):
whole, It's like they're surrounding uswith these images, like these kind of
weird subtle like what you're saying,like there's a constant image push be subconscious.
Huh I see what you're saying though, Like there through through all this
stuff we're being manipulated in our toour subconscious through like it's a constant schigil,

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that's what you're saying. And evenin this being memed so like even
like a silly alien thing, solike someone celebrities do kind of crazy stuff
that like it, it's instantly memedonline, we make a joke out of
it, and then we push itto our subconscious. So is that how
sigil magic works, like in orderto manifest. So so you have a
you have to speak to the unconscious, you have to write like you're already

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explaining your question right, You're answeringyour question. So, so the thing
that stops things from manifesting and LiamThomas Christopher just did a video about this,
but it's like one of the basiclaws of magic is the lust for
results. Okay, So the onlyway to get something to manifest is to
put it into your unconscious and you'renot You have no attachment to the outcome.

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You feel the emotional desire for it, but you have no attachment to
the out come, right, Andthen that's usually what that's how it happens.
There's other ways to to boost itinto make it manifesting more like if
you want to get into ritual orsexual energies or just more focused you know

(01:01:15):
stuff. But I see what you'resaying, Like, if there was this
entity that was trying to manifest acertain reality into our reality, he's putting
all kinds of things so that ourunconscious we don't really care about it,
but our unconscious is observing it andtaking it in all the time. Right,
Therefore it's becoming real. Because dude, you just tripped me out,

(01:01:35):
Because what if Wes is right,Like, because we are these like triple
creative beings and this thing knows well, I can't go to oryan or whatever.
I'm not a creative being like ahuman, but I can screw with
it unconsciously all the time and getit to create what I want, which
is basically what a narcissist does.Right. It goes back to like the

(01:01:58):
gods trying to fight for our attentionor whatever. So if you're some type
of like force, if you're sometype of like Zeus, like archetypical Zeus
Force or whatever, or some typeof like father force, you were going
to maybefore time have dominance, andthen that culture kind of forgets about you,
and then the goal will be tolike trying to coax another culture.

(01:02:20):
You might be under a different nameor whatever, but you need to in
order to gain power and gain influenceand gain just whatever, just like lushes
or whatever whatever it is, youneed people to notice you and yeah,
like venerate you in a certain way, and then that will kind of charge
you up. So if we're likea yeah, I don't know, yah,

(01:02:45):
yeah, God's God forgives sign sayon every other billboard next to the
porno billboards, especially if you're inlike Pennsylvania or something, you know.
I mean, So if you're ifyou're like what Coley was talking to,
like like like a wass or lambor something like that. If he's some
type of like weird non physical sentienceand you're trying to get form, you're

(01:03:07):
gonna maybe like inject it to like, you know, find somebody's trying to
communicate with something. Oh this craylet me let me beam a message into
him. He draws this crazy pictureof a big headed, like gray alien
type thing. Then fast forward likeseventy years. Then we get like Whitney
Streeber puts it on his book becauseI rid of the chills. Then it
goes into movies. Fast forward tolike last week, Victor Weberyama, who's

(01:03:30):
like going to be the next LebronJames for the NBA, is going to
be like the next Michael Jordan forthe NBA, unveiled his new logo and
it's just like alien sigil. It'sthis basketball with the green alien head in
it, and it's like, whatwould it do to culture if the Jordan
logo was an alien? That thingis plastered absolutely everywhere? Is that sigil
magic? Would that help this nonphysical entity manifest the form that it wants?

(01:03:55):
You know what I mean? LikeWill Smith yesterday just performed at Coachella
in front of a big gray alien, Lill Smith, a big titan head
men in black and everything. It'slike so all and Drake had a big
green alien thing and a big flyingsaucer and giant titan stuff, and just
all these celebrities are doing it.We just kind of brush it off.
Oh whatever, it's just a spectacle. But it's just like, are all

(01:04:16):
these symbols, all these kind ofme magic type things so that I wass
or whatever this thing is can manifestits form and then and then exists here.
You know, like if you readthe Book of the Law, that'll
trip you out. Have you readit? No? No, I haven't.
We got to read that crap,dude, Like it's a short book.
But it's basically this being the curlyChannel is like the ultimate in my

(01:04:42):
opinion, It's like love is thelaw and everything, but it's also the
ultimate kind of lucifairy and satanic mindset. It's like he called it. If
everybody stan he called it, everybody'stoo stupid or if you're weak, right
then the hell with you. Therest of us, like the magicians,
the people that know how to likemake their will happen. Are just going

(01:05:04):
to take over the Earth as longas you let us run things, and
whoever else doesn't get it, thehell with them, including Jesus. He
talks about pecking Jesus. It's eyeballsout and stuff. You know. I
mean, it sounds a lot likethe Force if you ask me, like
about forget about the regular people inthe galaxy. We're working through just the
ones with the most mediclorians, theones that can like manipulate. They call

(01:05:26):
it. They call it the Bookof the Wheels. That's that's what the
that's what Star Wars was going tobe called originally Book of the Wheels.
And it's just like, let's manipulatethe thing, or let's like interact with
the thing that can best manipulate reality. Let's put him in government. They
just they run society. These militarymagicians, these military wizards screw everybody else.
And it's just like everybody who's everybodywho's quote unquote the chosen one gets

(01:05:49):
there, I'm chopped off and hasa robot part or like dies miserably and
stuff and then gets sucked. Theonly ones who are ghosts who get trapped
in this like prison place a thing. Are the ones who were The Force
wheelers are the Jedi, They arethe ones who everyone else escapes. But
the force ghosts are the ones whoare using the force. I mean,
like the traps they're stuck in here, you know, it's like the force,

(01:06:10):
the forces of them urge. Ithink that's my take, I think.
But Curley was kind of a genius. So he took his wife right
to the Pyramids and channeled this beingthrough the female to the feminine energy.
So he used the masculine wheel tobring it down, channeled the being into
the feminine energy, and she spokethese words that it was coming and it's
hairy and creepy. Secondly, basedon what you're saying, like, I

(01:06:34):
don't this, I mean, I'mnot into like making this reel or anything,
Okay, but if you put itall together, it does like every
since that happened, technology has movedfaster than compound interest. Oh man,
yeah, seriously it has. Andit was like this is that time period
in general seemed like some kind ofdownload like around that time that was that

(01:06:57):
was Lovecraft, that was like CharlesFord, that was like Tolkien. It
was like this brain download type ofthing where we got this I don't know
and like and then we seem tohave another one around like rosswell time and
like all these stuff that cherysonal.Talks about with Lucifer's technology kind of type
of thing, where like we gotthe instructions to build the technology that's damning
us. Basically we got the downWe got it in the form of a

(01:07:19):
downcraft, or we got it inthe form of whatever they gave us the
instructions for the transistor, were aboutto build the Internet, and we built
this like weird digital cage that we'reall just like fighting in and just it's
just we like it's it's we builtthe thing that's literally draining our loose You
will you go on Facebook, youwill see the worst stuff that makes you
mad. You will feel worse afterwards. That's like a very simple, simple,

(01:07:42):
tangible, loose training thing that wehave already and this ramp that up
a thousand years. That's that's whatwe're talking about. That's the Orion thing
that we're talking about. It's thesame thing, same same mechanism. There's
some kind of weird thing just todrain your emotions. And then like right
now, the corporations are the onessucking it out and feeding it off,
feeding our data and our attention,attention, attention. But then in the

(01:08:08):
future Chrisby archons or whatever, justI don't know, it's fractal like we're
doing, we're building it, it'shappening right now, using it on the
internet, but then fractively zoom outa little bit. That could just be
what reality is. I don't know. Yeah, I also know that you,
like, I think we have tobe careful about this is all just

(01:08:29):
like thought stuff. I mean,I'm not saying this, yeah, but
now I'm just saying, like,people really believe what you're talking about,
like to their very core, right, so we have to be careful of
like what if people are unbeknowingly creatingthis too, you know, like this
could just be a big programming motherboard, like if someone was saying in the
chat New York City, if youback up, looks like a big motherboard

(01:08:53):
or whatever. And that's what weare. We're just creative beings. We
are the universe down down into smallerbeings, and so all the stuff that
we get in our heads and weget emotional about and then we all start
agreeing on it, we create it. So think about just that for a
minute. That would create all kindsof hell and havoc just that alone,
you know, are cons included.So I mean so yes, like what

(01:09:17):
I'm saying is is scary, butlike and I think maybe in order to
it's like another I mean it isit is a nosis in of itself.
In order to maybe to receive thatnosis, you have to like be slapped
into that new reality. Again.You got to be like scared. You
got to take that like the repilot, get kind of shocked, shocked to
your system first kind of. Andif you continue to be shocked forever,

(01:09:41):
then that's not productive at all.But if you like like center yourself,
gather yourself and be like, okay, let me use this information to move
forward. Okay, so I'm nota victim to my situation. I'm not
just like experiencing this like at random. It's I'm manifesting it. And then
it's like, okay, they areusing they're like hitting us with so much
trauma, putting us just through theabsolute ringer in order to manifest this healthscape

(01:10:05):
that they want or whatever, andit's just like Okay, that's scary.
But then also if I'm manifesting it, then I can take my power back.
If I'm working at a supermarket andI'm broke and I have a whole
checklist of things reasons for me toor limitations or whatever, let's say the
one thing I have is like,okay, I can control that. I
can for the best of my ability, trying to control my immediate reality.

(01:10:30):
So it's like, yes, ifyou like take if you just stay with
that first initial slap into reality andjust only focus on that, then yeah,
you're not You're not helping stuff atall. But if you take that
slap and then like, then likewhat I mean, does that make sense?
Yeah? Yeah, I don't know. But I got the Book of
the Law and told up here Iwas trying to find the crazy stuff in

(01:10:50):
here, but you know, Idon't have time to go. One day,
I'll do a show on it andyou know where I can read it.
But it's some pretty freaky stuff,man. So what's it saying about
the Like, the the Orion stuff'sweird because like everything is aligned like the
pent Ian I mean, obviously thePyramids, all this kind of stuff is
aligned to Orion. But also,like I member, my friend Claude,

(01:11:12):
shout out Claude. One of likeme and Lindsay's friends said he, I
don't know if you got this fromhe wanted to figured out himself. But
the temples on Epstein's Island are alsoaligned to to Orion's really like the Orion's
belt and everything. Yeah, soit's like it's not just the ancients who
were like, it's like the modernny creepiest of the creeps and everything.

(01:11:32):
It's just like, I wonder,why what are they trying to do?
You mean, like like what's what'swhat? What's that? How does that
tie into the book at all?Does it? Can it? Man?
I I don't think it doesn't tieinto the Book of the Law, but
it could tie into you know,I mean the Orion west Peny's papers probably,
But see O'Rion is supposedly and accordingto his papers, the west Penury

(01:11:54):
Papers, Orion is the real heaven. So the real god of this universe,
according to Wes Penry, is aqueen feminine energy like a like a
Sophia type of thing, or Columbia, but bigger, you know, like
Sophia is just a construct more ofa construct a matter of fact, anything
religious anything in the mysteries, anythingwhatsoever that we've been taught is basically a

(01:12:16):
construct. We're all under this queenin this Ryan universe, you know in
UH in DC Comics, that's Perpetua. That's I think it's the name of
it from UH. It's from ScottSnyder. That's the guy who lost them.
I was on. You asked me, like, who who would want
to talk to if I got tointerview anybody? This guy like gets his
information from like the CIA and stuff, And he wrote Justice League a few

(01:12:39):
years ago, and his like BigBad was like this controlling force of the
entire DC multiverse multiverse. It wasthis Perpetua. Wouldn't it be wouldn't it
be crazy? If Wes Penry waslike, actually this, That's exactly how
I channeled O Ryan's you know,through comic books, because I know that
comic books are actually telling the truth. Like I don't believe people Like if

(01:13:02):
I came to you and you said, hey, man, I got this
really cool thing I want to tellyou about, but I have a source
and I can't tell you who itis or what it is, I'd be
like, okay, cool, Butif you tell me a crazy story then
I'm be like, who's telling youthis? You know? Right? Like
you if you're going to say somethingcrazy, you can't just say I have
an insider or I got the informationfrom like, because I don't believe you,

(01:13:28):
like you got the information out ofyour head and that's your excuse to
make it sound like it's true insteadof you just saying I believe it's true.
Because if it were me, likeand someone told me something like some
god or alien came down and said, look, I'm going to tell you
this truth, but you can't tellnobody, I'd be like, that's not
going to happen. I'm gonna telleverybody. That's just when it gets into

(01:13:50):
the dog my aspect of it,like I don't. I don't like the
idea of like nothing I'm saying isany type of truth at all. It's
all just like what if it's justlike like, well, well this thought,
it's just like thought experiments. It'sjust like what I think is philosophy.
I mean, well this is aI mean, are we sure the
force is good? Like what?I'm not sure? I don't. I

(01:14:11):
don't like I like the I likethe Jedi. I mean I want to
be like I would like to bea Jedi. But it's like I think,
I think it's cool to think aboutto question it. I mean,
what are the results like the force? The force? Man? You know,
it's just like your mind if youplant in my opinion, like I
think, who said this? Forgetwho said it, some one of those
guru guys said it. But youcan plant crap seeds in your mind and

(01:14:32):
you're gonna get crap fruit just likeyou can. All the mind is like
people can plant seeds in it andthen it grows out the fruit of what's
been planted there, and you canlet people into your garden, or you
can think for yourself. You know, we don't live in a day and
age where a lot of people arethinking for themselves, at least from my
observation, because people are just soakinginto information from everything, and we got

(01:14:56):
so many influencers and all this stuff, and all of these things are just
seeds, right, Yeah, Soit's volatile as hell. I mean,
Billy Carson going around, who's Igot no qualms with the guy. But
his whole marketing strategy is based offof the Emerald Tablets of Thoth. But
he's saying, Isaac Newton and allthese people read them, and no,
the Emerald Tablet of Hermes was theone that they read. The Emerald Tablets

(01:15:19):
of Thoft didn't come out to likethe twenties or thirties. But because the
presentation is so good, because itmoves people, because it's cool, people
believe everything he's saying. Oh yeah, he I mean, nobody kires what
I say. I don't even haveI don't I'm not even sure he's aware
of it, you know what Imean, Like, I don't know if

(01:15:40):
he even knows these are two differenttablets too. I mean that's like you're
referring to like any xts. Stuffytalks about everything like yeah, yeah,
but I knew that when back withany XT knew it, Like I thought
it was common knowledge. A lotof people knew that. Yeah. Like
Billy Carson, to me, he'sa little bit of like a grifter.
He seems like he'd be chilled tolike hang out with and smoke with or

(01:16:01):
whatever, but like, but he'sgot he's also like trying to sell like
his ideas and everything and stuff.So he's just like he's spitting. He's
like one step away from like Willcockto me and everything. He's like,
he's just he's on the like Iknow, he's got rich and created an
app or something like that, buthe just people when they get to that

(01:16:23):
level, like when they get thosekind of movements following them, they just
need to be careful, you know. Yeah, I mean, and it
just it gets, it gets.I don't necessarily blame them per se,
but it's just you have to beaware of like the same way with the
twenty four hour news content online it'sjust like I mean, not online,
I mean on TV and stuff.It's it's like they're having a station.

(01:16:44):
If there's a slow news day,they're not going to like not be on
the TV. All right, wellthere's no news today, so we're just
not gonna show up. They're gonnastill present every idea, every piece of
news as if it was the mostimportant thing. Everything is breaking news,
Everything is breaking news. So forhim, it's like you got to keep
going. You have to keep Soit's a commodity of like new ideas,
new cool ideas, new breaking information, new theories or like, and you

(01:17:11):
can't just have to keep cracking themout, keep cranking them out. So
Lendam Molt and the Howe and stuffthat she just like she's foindly not a
bad person, but she is goingto print every story that everyone gives her
because she that's how she pays herbills, right, I mean, so
it so it's like it's just youhave to understand that as a listener,
and if you don't, then likelike yeah, I mean and then yeah,
I don't know. I just don't. Yeah, bro, I don't
care about like just like with thisWest Penry thing, you know, I

(01:17:34):
don't care if people are successful ornot or what they I just want to
make sure that I mean, Iguess what you're saying is sometimes they run
out of cool stuff to say,so they have to make up. Yeah,
if you're if you're to be thetruth, that's all. Yeah.
If you're like whole brand and yourwhole thing is like, oh, I'm

(01:17:55):
going to break this information. I'mgoing to break this information. Like my
thing is like I'm just trying tothink about cool stuff. I was trying
to take something and just think aboutit in a different way so that will
never run out. But if mything was here's this new thing no one's
ever heard of before, here wego, that might make me famous for
like six months. But how amI gonna keep doing that? How am
I gonna make a book every year? How am I gonna do a contact

(01:18:17):
in the desert every year? Howam I gonna do all these things?
I'm gonna keep an app going?I m I going to keep a podcast
going week after week? How amI getting these new paradigm shifting ideas every
week? Every week? You can'tsee? Stop making stuff up. We
stopped being much more like lenient withwhat you like your filter for, Like
this is probably not true, butlike whatever, I'm gonna run with them.

(01:18:38):
Like so it doesn't make you abad person, not necessarily, but
like I also can It's probably thetruest thing I've ever heard of anybody say,
my entire life, Sorry, how'smy cant? Like? Because you
know, I can't help but laughat that because it is it is true.

(01:19:00):
I got to hear me automatic agirlfriend about this, you know,
because when you have a girlfriend youwant to keep. It's the same thing,
right, like if you don't succeedor whatever, you know, they're
not going to be happy because theywant to experience this life, and all
you are is a car to getthem to that kind of life, you
know, And it's like, listen, I said the same thing to her.
I said, look, I can'tkeep just doing shows and just pulling

(01:19:20):
shit out of my ass to talkabout this little stuff, man, Like
I got to take a break orI got to find something to you know,
that I'm interested in, like readbooks or do something. So no,
you got to It's kind of like, have you ever seen that movie
any given Sunday, the football moviewhere he goes up to the woman he's
like, you know, and he'sbeat up and bruised up, and he's

(01:19:41):
like, I think it's time thatI retire, and she just smacks him.
You are a quarterback, and it'slike you need to get rid of
these kind of women, period,because they're going to run you in the
ground, right. But it justI don't want to shoot on Billy Carson
and I don't know the guy.I get what you're saying, like you
got to do something cool every daythat whole frigging I also don't know Jimmy

(01:20:01):
Church and then all kind of thing. Honestly, I see them from Afar
and everything, and they're like they'rejust like sucking their own like so much.
They're like making award shows just togive themselves awards and just like making
red carpets and ship and doing thiswhole frigging like thing just to like just

(01:20:23):
to like jerk themselves off and everything. And it's just like, okay,
cool, buddy, I mean likecool cool, But like I don't know,
I don't I don't listen to thatthat ship nastly whatever. I like
what we're doing better. I don'tknow they're not listening, you know what
I mean though, they're just tossingawards though to whoever wants to like show

(01:20:46):
up to percent an award. It'slike you mean, it's just like like
like lunches, yeah, give mea yeah, I don't know, just
give me, give me a break. Like it's just like Jimmy Church can
like give a selfie of his mansionor whatever. Shut up? Like do
you think do you think we shouldall succeed? Like I'm happy for their
success and everything, but just likeif I'm in are just I want I

(01:21:12):
want everyone to do great. Everyoneshould be getting rich and balling out and
doing their own awards shows for themselvesand like giving themselves oscars and everything.
And that's awesome, but It's justlike, if I'm calibrating what's in good
information what's not good information, I'mnot necessarily going to them, Like I
would love to hang out with themand just chill, but like, I'm
never going to source them as asource of information because I think that's what
they say is bullshit. Kind ofa little bit nothing against them, Okay,

(01:21:34):
So my whole point with the BillyCarson thing was is like, if
Billy Carson can get a fact wrongor kind of mismarket the tablets thing,
don't you think this Wes Penry guycould have a like twenty or thirty forty
things wrong about what he's saying atleast? Oh yeah, for sure,
for sure? Yeah, you knowI think the Yeah, I think I

(01:21:57):
think yeah, yes, I thinka lot of the dogma could be wrong.
So like when you were first atthe beginning of the show, first
talking about it, I was like, Okay, yeah, the trick by
the light, the are we surelike this cosmic bug zapper idea. I
think there's a nugget of truth tothat potentially, But the lore he was
building on on, like in themythology kind of the trappings around it,

(01:22:20):
I don't really resonate with as much. So if you experience like all these
different systems, like these different religionsor whatever as just like and you try
to find these little nuggets, thenthat's good, that's useful information. But
if you get like bogged down withthe dogma or no one has to be
Orion or no one has to bethis because the book says it is,
or this has to be this,like because like like then you're get in

(01:22:42):
trouble and we were off there werescienceist says this year like we're all fucked.
You know, like if I cameto you and said, nice talk,
right, I got I don't knowhow many years I got left to
live. Yeah, I've read thisbook. Scared the all out of me.
If you read it, and it'sgot some pretty intense information. I
mean, it's just like any otherbook that reveals all the scary stuff about

(01:23:04):
religion and the mysteries, throws somestuff in there and some narcissism, and
then says, you know, thisis all a trap. I mean,
what do you like? I guessI'm asking you because I feel bad for
Gareth I have even though he's acool dude, he's really a cool cadd
He's just like us. Even theguy that is he has to you know,

(01:23:25):
he needs someone to take care ofhim now because he can't do certain
things. That guy's cool. Butlike to me, this Gareth is the
reason why I think it should matter. Like a lot of us do this
for intellectual stimulation. We hang outright, we were trying to figure out
the truth deep down. We wantto know it for a reason. But
Gareth is the living example of whythe truth is important exactly so. For

(01:23:51):
if the question is like at themoment, like what am I going to
do at the moment of death?Am I going to go to the light
or not? My answer is Ihave right now, I have zero clue.
I don't I don't know. Andthe way I talk about these things,
I'd always say I collect these theories. I collect these little like nuggets
like their comic books. I takethem in like, well, that's cool

(01:24:12):
to think about, and I canput them away, Like, but I
did a survey on this. ActuallyI'm gonna pull it up. But if
but it's like, what do youjust said? If I if I there
was if I knew my time waslimited, then there's this dunken trustle quote
that I like really like a lotwhen he explains kind of death as like

(01:24:32):
sailing, like way back in theday, where so if you're like like
an explorer and you have to goaround like the cape of Good Hope,
whatever, and you don't know what'son the other side, but you know
the waters are going to kind ofbe treacherous, Like you have to like
build up your kind of sailing experienceand to be able to handle those mysterious

(01:24:55):
and potentially treacherous waters once you getaround that that like the cape, like
once you get to that zone ofwe don't we don't, we don't know,
so that death could potentially be thesame thing. So in order to
practice to be experienced sailor for thesetreacherous waters, you have to cross to
get in their ty a lot orpractice getting out of body a lot,
which is and that's that's that's whyevery single culture has the resurrection rituals to

(01:25:21):
have these ego deaths, to theseimitation deaths, to try to journey to
the end of world and come backwith these little nuggets of knowledge. But
like mainly meditate, like you don'thave to like go to the extreme,
but just try to meditate, butjust like try to. Yeah, I
mean, like you said, like, do practice all these tools the best

(01:25:43):
of your How would yeah, befooseme. I would get serious about meditating
and not like do it from anapp or like casually do it. I
would try to go to like themost ancient systems I can and the ones
who haven't had it figured out,and just try to get build up my
sailing experience as best I can.And so that part of it could be
if we are scared at the momentof death and if we go into it

(01:26:08):
traumatic, then our karma, ourmomentum, our trajectory will be traumatic and
that'll push well next. According toRobert Monroe, he saw people that were
dying and stuff, and that's exactlywhat you just said, is exactly right,
Like not only did they take theirtraumas with them into the afterlife,
but all of their fears, like, yeah, they even thought he was

(01:26:29):
the devil and He's like, no, I don't even know what's going on
here, I'm not the devil.And they were like freaking out, like
oh, please don't take me tohell, and just all kinds of weird
stuff, you know, exactly.Yeah, So if you if you can
get to a place where like,like we're talking about it, like it's
going to be a clear thing,like I'm going to see the light and
know and be like, Okay,I'm gonna make a conscious choice. But
I don't know what that that person, well my grandmother, they're talking to

(01:26:53):
me. That doesn't seem like mygrandmother. I don't know what that.
It might not be that clear.It might be this weird. It might
be this kind of scary, trippything which all colors around you and you
just like you're drowning almost and you'rejust trying to grab for any any piece
of like rock or coral if youcan, just to get your bearings and
stuff. But if you're like amore experienced diver, more experienced swimmer,
then you'd be better to like,okay, here a ticket's breath, Here

(01:27:14):
I am, here, I am, And just the more time you or
the more you have your bearings,the more like the better choice you can
make. You might be able tohave more intuition at that moment or whatever
this seems live, we should alljust get out of body as much as
possible, you know, yeah,safely, Yeah for sure, Like so
I did this poll, I said, if you had two choices, according
to according to Wes Penry, whenyou die, do you go to the

(01:27:39):
tunnel of light or do you goto a hole in the grid to the
unknown? You only have these twochoices, what would you choose? I'm
surprised, honestly, seventy three percent. I mean, I only have sixty
votes so far, but seventy threepercent of people said that they would go
to a hole in the grid tothe unknown. So I mean I thought

(01:28:00):
most people would go to the lightin the tunnel, like honestly, well,
face faced with those two options,if it's a light or a hole
in the ground in the grid,like a hole in the grid, like
I am also like a conspiracy thereis too, So part of me is
like, is this entire narrative anarconic tactic to get us to not go

(01:28:23):
to the light. The light couldbe the answer, so you inject the
conspiracy there is? Don't trust thelight? Like I said, everything could
be a trap. Everything could bea trap. So so if there's this
like heavenly glowing door, and it'slike you hear all your relatives partying,
and you hear music and champagne bottlespopping in this in this other room.
And then there's this little weird dingyshack and I mean not shack, but
like it with a little digy hole, like I don't know. Like then

(01:28:46):
it's like from creeping a van beinglike, hey, come here, come
here, come here, don't don'tgo over there, like I don't know,
don't go to the light man,do to light you know? No,
No they don't, they don't.They just want to steal your way.
I don't know. I just wantto steal your soul man. Yeah,
loosh, but come here, comehere. I know the real secrets.
I hey, come here, takethis pill. Looks like at the
red pill and some creepy morpheous guy. That's exactly how I feel about this

(01:29:10):
whole thing. I feel like it'ssome dude in an ice cream truck,
some creepy dude just saying it's alla big trick man, and he's kind
of whacked out of his mind alittle bit because he's been doing meth and
adderall too much, let's face it, and like he's whacked out of his
mind, and he's like, it'sa trick man, I know the truth.
And you're like yeah, exactly,but nobody knows the truth. That's

(01:29:30):
the thing. We can't know truth. These are all just my grandma's at
the top of the light there.I don't know what's in that hole.
I'm honestly surprised that seventy percent ofpeople said they're going to go to the
hole, which tells me that don'tbe mad at me. I don't want
to make my own audience mad,but it tells me that you guys are
pretty convinced. I mean, you'repretty influenced. I mean, that's that's

(01:29:54):
that's my huge problem with I liketo tell myself the conspiracy theorist. Conspiracy
theorists like to really poke at likewhat I can said, it would be
like tropes, mainstream conspiracy things,and it's that's the most frustrating thing for
me is how easy it is foreveryone in all of our communities to be
like sucked into believing somebody it's it'sjust or just it just takes. Like

(01:30:19):
the biggest examples is like I'm notgoing to get in the politics at all,
but just for just like like Trumpand Elon Musk, I'm somebody who
believes that all the presidents are related. None of the choices are for us
all but all it takes to belike, oh, well, the mainstream
media is lying to you. Youdon't like the mainstream media. Well,
the mainstream media does not like thisperson. So it's so fact though,
this person must be good. Andit's like, no, that is dumb,

(01:30:42):
that's that that is that is avery like that's very simple. It's
way too simple. And if Iknow that, there's no way that they
don't know that, and they canprop up anybody. If you if you're
the richest person in the world andyou are like trying to like building in
charge of all like the modern you'rethe modern daya Parsons in Elon Muska.
You have all the rockets, youyour fans building, you goat statues,

(01:31:04):
but your head in a rocket.You're also building AI. You're talking about
AI demons and everything. You're themost powerful, the richest person in the
world, in charge of the thingthat's collecting all of our data. The
way to like keep yourself free fromcriticism or to have like half the people
embrace you is to be like,well, Bill Gates sucks, or the

(01:31:25):
mainstream media sucks, or Disney sucks, or like some like bullshit things that
like, yeah, no shit,Disney sucks a mean but like you are
still trying to plug people's brains intoAI. Well free speech, well,
free speech, yeah, like shutup, buddy. I mean, it's
like it's such an easy thing.It's like, oh, the mainstream media
hates Trump, like, so hemust be good. It's like, no,
he's a billionaire and he's hanging outwith the rest of them, and
he's part of the blood line andhe doesn't like you either. I mean,

(01:31:47):
but like they get you to trunk, they get it all like any
of them of them, they're allpart of the same blood line. You're
not gonna catch me going, oh, Trump's getting ransacked because of the trials.
And I'm like, look, man, Hitler said the same thing.
And I'm not comparing Trump to Hitler, but like, don't be stupid.
Like just because you're watching the TVand somebody puts on a great presentation and
puts on a tie and says somereally powerful stuff, it's it's memes.

(01:32:13):
Like you said earlier, It's justlike everybody's turned into influential memes these days,
you know, that's all they are. And it's like a it's like
a commodity to. I mean,free speech is important. I believe a
community say what you want, butalso it a nooys the hell out of
me where I mean, I saysome like I'm not big on Facebook anymore,
but like when I was, Iwould say some outlandish things and I've

(01:32:34):
never been I've never received a bandI say whatever I want. I would
I go after like wreathing on andcrazy shit like that and everything I was
like that was I was on Freemanfor and stuff like I like, I
don't I never there is people thatneed to go. Like you see that
guy on Instagram. I don't meanto cut you off, but there was
that dude that did get up onInstagram that started crying saying that raything on

(01:32:56):
pretty much the rooms is life inthe military. It's I mean, they're
they're they're having the greatest weekend oftheir their life right now. They're they're
they're like jumping up and up anddown right now. With the World War,
iie on the on the precipice.I live in like a wretheon town
or whatever. But just the pointof that is to say, like I
don't look, I don't know thetrue like I'm not saying I know the
truth or anything, but I cangenuinely tell when someone's, you know,

(01:33:19):
not putting on a show. Likethis guy was like I saw some stuff,
they acted like it was normal.I had questions and then they ruined
my life. Basically, I thinkthey're super. It was a huge Canada.
I won't get into it, butWretheon is is radiant. God,
it's it's just lusive for figure thatyou were talking about the whole show.
It's this semirigrical figure. We're talkingabout this whole show. It's it's they

(01:33:42):
were They were invented by vanerver Bushwho received these Tesla papers from Trump's uncle
and all all the mythology. Hewas at the philled Up Experiment. He
was in charge. He was thehead of Majestic twelve, but the aliens
and everything. He was at theManhattan Project. He was like he invented
the transistor that gave us the Internetand everything like like and then he created
Wratheon uh and and and it's justlike that's where all like, we're not

(01:34:04):
we're not sending money to Ukraine,We're sending money to Raytheon and then they
send the bombs to Ucrae. It'slike it's there. But the point of
the point of that is like likeI've never been canceled on the internet,
but it seems like a lot ofthese especially in these our communities, people
wear the canceling or I've been shadowbanded, or I've been I've been like
I've been got coming up at thirtyday band or coming up or they're trying

(01:34:27):
to cancel me or all this kindof stuff, and they wear it as
like you have to yeah, likelike what I'm saying is true, trust
me, because the mainstream doesn't likewhat I'm saying, so what I'm saying
must be true, and taking alot of people fooled by that. It's
like you can also like the meinlike you mean, it's like because the
mainstream doesn't like what you're saying,doesn't not mean it's not also a lie,

(01:34:48):
you know, and a lot oflike that's a tough thing, like
particular getting grifted a lot like Idon't like we've talked about it. I've
never been I get something to sayabout it. I don't understand that number
one word salad with a ten dollarssuper chap by the being thanks brother,

(01:35:10):
Okay, I don't have a waragainst YouTube, but like I don't,
and if you do something against theirpolicies, they're like, hey, you
can't do this. They give youlike warnings or is there something else you
want to do or you want todispute this, like it takes. I'm
not sure what you actually have todo to get banned to begin with,
unless you're trying to get banned,because I've put stuff up here that technically

(01:35:35):
should be banned and they've came tome. It's like, hey, man,
this goes against our policies. Youcan replace it, you can take
it down, or you can disputeit. We're not taking your channel down
or anything like you directly. Idon't know, Like I don't understand it
honestly, how people get canceled soeasy. Yes, I for sure have
seen people like some people, Imean, free speech is important, trying

(01:36:02):
corporations are bad, so I'm gonnaside with free speech always screw you to
But also I've seen many people withlike podcasts and stuff or whatever like try
to get more money by like,oh I've been canceled, send me money.
I mean, it's it's a hugeI mean, in the in the
comedy podcast send me money. That'sa huge thing. That's not even just

(01:36:25):
conspiracy stuff. That's just like that'sjust like even like in the political sphere.
I mean the joke is like likeget that like sweet sweet Patreon money
from like the conservative right or whatever. It's like, oh, I've been
canceled on Fox News. Let mego make way more money on Patreon from
everyone who's like I mean, it'sit's it's like that's just but it happens
here too. It's people pretend likelike I don't want to say any names

(01:36:48):
or whatever, but some huge,big shows took a huge leap financially.
It's just like it was a gooddecision financially to make. And just to
say, just to make an appand to make a good financial decision,
she should be fine. Everyone's allowedto make money, but I don't like
when you manipulation. Manipulation. Don'tpretend it's for free speech. Don't pretend

(01:37:12):
it's because you were canceled, becauseyou weren't. I mean, like,
just make money. It's fine,Like I like your show, I'll give
you money, Okay, that's whatI say. I say, Look,
if you value this show, giveus you know, donate like my share
to donate or something. If youvalue the show, I'm not going to
trick people tricking dude, you wantto know why. I think it's not
just about that. Like, well, I read Art Bill like I'm a
huge R. Bell fan. Idon't even like this whole I like radio,

(01:37:35):
I don't like the whole influencer world, you know, and R Bell
in his book The Art of TalkRadio, which is one of my favorite
audio books, he did he madeit imperatively clear in his book. He
said, never manipulate your audience andnever lie. You'll be accused of all
these things time and time again allthe time, but the important thing is

(01:37:58):
is that you never do it.Yeah, right, because most people know
just like you know, you don'thave the facts or proof, but you
have a hunch that's something ain't rightabout that, yeah, Versus like if
you knew a person for a longtime and somebody's like, oh, yeah,
this person's a manipulative whatever, andyou're like, I don't know,
I've been listening to for years.It just didn't seem like that, you

(01:38:18):
know, exactly, Like I thinka lot of influencers and anybody that tries
to manipulate or control things, orplay a little game or go to the
drawing board to try to like moveahead in life in any kind of way.
Yeah, it's a piece of shitif you ask me. Yeah,
exactly. Yeah, there's there's athere's a fine line between with the with

(01:38:40):
the TikTok influences and that type ofstuff. It's it's they do more.
It's more like a positive spin.Like with the conspiracy stuff, it's it's
frame more negative, like I'm beingoppressed, so give me money with it.
With the TikTok stuff, it's morelike but just pretending that what you're
doing is organic even though like sponsoredcontent and spawn con. I just came

(01:39:00):
out with an app and now yougot three games more money, right,
yeah exactly, exactly whatever, justlike like all the the whole fitness world
or whatever, and just just likeI don't know people, people are like
the people watching you and sending youmoney are important, you mean, and
like you've been showing in the chatlike and you know, you know the
people in the chat that it's afamily here. But then like these bigger

(01:39:21):
people people you see on TikTok andeverything, they don't treat it like that.
It's like it's it's like the peopleare meaningless and they're just being batted
around, like and it just it'sit puts a bad taste on mouth or
whatever. And it happens a lotwith the biggest stuff to it. I
can tell you that it does gethard. Like there was a point in
time, and I'll just say,like when the show was at a level

(01:39:41):
where I couldn't keep up with everything, you know, and like people just
I had people that would message meon Facebook and if I didn't answer them,
they would get like dramatically. Youknow. I'm like, I don't
understand. So I don't understand howto take this to the next level,
right, because I care abound people. I like deep connections. But if

(01:40:02):
ever, like you, once youget to a certain level, you can't
give attention to like, you know, everybody, right Yeah, But then
again, I also see what you'resaying is some people just disregard to everybody
period, you know, and youdon't have to do that either, you
know. Yeah. Yeah, Imean, like like one of my favorite

(01:40:23):
people is like duncan trustle or whatever, and he's big enough. I mean,
he's like a million downloads a month, whatever. So if I was
like, yeah, if I wasto send him an email, I would
not expect him to return that email. I'm sure he gets a lot of
emails. But I might be loved. He might. He might but like
but I but I also believe thathe loves his audience. I mean,
I don't believe he's trying to manipulatehis audience. That he cares about his

(01:40:44):
audience. But you have to understand, as somebody who like, if you're
in a some kind of weird,nebulous friendship with the people that you're listening
to, like who don't know you, whatever, whatever, you have to
understand like it goes both ways andstuff like they care about you, but
you have to care about them enoughto like give them room to breathe and
stuff like they can't be like youwere. For every email you sending,

(01:41:04):
there's a thousand other ones and stufftoo, every message just sending, there's
one hundred other ones. And soit's like, I believe Duncan, you
have to create an atmosphere where youraudience can trust you. I trust Duncan
like cares about the idea of hisaudience, like he does know it's all
he cares about us, so thatwhen he doesn't respond, it's not a
slight to me. But if likeyou curate an audience where it's like combative

(01:41:26):
or it's like they're all coming toget me, or it's like I'm beeting
cancer and stuff, then your audienceis gonna be a bunch of scary freaks.
Who. Yeah, I read aquote from someone who said propaganda was
created not only to confuse, butto exhaust you from caring to try to
find out the truth anymore. Yeah, which I have. Yeah, I
mean people can just get sick oflike because you can't see through the veil,

(01:41:46):
you know. Yeah, it happens. It happened to me. I
mean, look, I was doingthe news for the for the station before
and then just the pandemic hit andeverything and just my own traumas and just
build up stuff in life. JustI gotta take a break. So you
just even so I probably last yearwere years past, I probably myself and
being like I listened to everything.I don't create content, but I can
assume everything. I'm a taste maker. But you should create content. Everybody

(01:42:10):
loves you mean, but but Ijust mean, like now because of like
the just everything the pressures of theworld's putting on me. I don't listen
to I'm just I'm in strict comfortshow mode, comfort mode, just re
listening stuff. I'm all pop culturething, just real easy listening type of
just like that's the politics, isn'tthe same thing? Well, I'm checking

(01:42:33):
out of politics, like it's allit's all just blah blah blah. Like
I don't care about that. What'sup a Star Wars? Like the whole
world is kind of is kind ofgoing to that, and for sure it's
the tactic. You know. Theclolest thing going right now on pop culture
is Fallout. Okay, I gottawatch that. I'm gonna if you played
the video game Fallout like I have, religiously, and you're into the end

(01:42:53):
of the world thing, and likeI usually TV shows screw up video game
series big time, like they didwith Halo, but the Fallout one,
it's pretty good. Actually, yeah, you know, did you? Did
you? I gotta I've heard it'sgood. It's a little weird that they
moved they moved the data crazily liketo fit in with this everything that the
Eclipse and World War three and thesort of a war movie coming out and

(01:43:15):
all kind of crazy chaos for thelast week, like they unexpectedly pushed their
head thing up like Fallouts about postnuclear war. Yeah, Fallout right basically,
Yeah, it's a little in tome. I'll play it on this
channel sometimes, you know, butI take it down. I'm trying to
do a gamer channel, but it'sdifferent. I started playing it on this

(01:43:38):
channel and people were like, wait, is this the podcast or is this
a gaming channel? And I'm like, why does it have to be one
or the other, you know,like, I just want to stream this
game because it's fun. Some peopleliked it, you know. Yeah,
if you're playing games, you shouldbe you should be streaming them for sure.
Yeah. Did you do you playFallout? Have you ever played it?
My My most recent system is threesixty. I used to I used

(01:44:00):
to uh on there. No,I used to be a big I would
play. My routine was every dayafter work, I'd play a full game
of NBA, like full twelve minutequarters whatever. So I played a full
eighty two game season, no simulationslike it, like it's like a two
hour game whatever. Put of routine. So I was a gamer in NBA
standards, but not I never hadthe money to get like I never like

(01:44:25):
I spend my money on weed ona video games. Basically. I remember
when we did the Fringe Fest.I was like, dang, dude,
he like you are a professional smokerman? Oh yeah, Snoop Dog beat
Bro, Yeah for sure. Imean it's split, it's spliped. So
like if you see me, it'snot all straight joints. I I gotta
mix a little tobacco on it.But just because I don't have a Snoop
Dog money, you know that,Like I can't be just smoking straight weed

(01:44:49):
all the time. But yes,it's not good. That's a it has
a it has a grip over me. You know, it's a dangerous mistress.
You know. Well, I lovedhaving you on here, man,
Like, if it was up tome, I'd stream twenty four to seven.
Honestly, I would be one ofthose streamers that people are like,
what's Joe doing. I don't know, He's eating peanut butter, you know,

(01:45:11):
Like I love I love doing thiskind of stuff, right, I
don't know why. I love broadcasting. It's fun to me. But if
I had a capable set up tostream video games, I would be I
would that was a mist streaming videogames. I think it'd be fun.
I think if we were like playinggames like we were playing like Cyberpunk twenty
seventy seven, and oh god,I want to play that so bad.

(01:45:34):
I don't have a system that Ican play it with. That'd be fun,
though, right, that would beThat'd be funny, I think.
Yeah. I mean, if you'replaying games anyways, you're going stream it,
you know, why not? Butyeah, it's been a pleasure for
the thank you. See. Well, I'll get like a hundred subscribers a
week and then one hundred people unsubscribe, and that's like every week, one

(01:45:55):
hundred and five subscribe, one hundredand five unsubscribed. I don't understand why
it's happening. I think it's aI us took about like the algorithm being
like like a god, almost likeit's put you through the bases. This
is the last time that mister Beast. He was like he was like he
was doing all the studying and everything, so he was he was putting to

(01:46:15):
the time and work in and stuff. But he was like from I had
just one day where I was allthe same work, all the same preparation,
all the same everything I was undredhundred yews a day, a hundred
years a day, hundred years aday, and then the next day I
changed nothing. I was still doingthe same same work. The next day
ten K, ten K, thirteenK, fifteen K, and just overnight
he didn't change. He was stilldoing work the whole time. But then

(01:46:35):
he didn't change anything specifically, andjust he was rewarded, like he put
in the effort in the algorithm jokinglyrewarded him for it. So I think
if you just keep streaming, streamedto nobody, streamed to ten people,
streamed to ten people, eventually that'skind of the sex story of everyone.
It just manifest. It'll pop offand then have you have you tried kick

(01:46:56):
yet? I mean it doesn't kickgive you like, give you like twenty
doll an hour to stream to liketen people something? No, DG.
Is that is that you bro thelighting the void? Not that fluff or
another? Is that who I thinkit is? Is that Chuck? What's
up? Bro? Uh? No, I've seen kick, But I get
on there and like twitch and kickand it's like it's just like a bunch

(01:47:20):
of girls getting attention man, andyou know, or even twitch did it
where they opened it up, andI get on there and I want to
find some cool people to hang outwith, some gamers, and then there's
just chicks torking them by a hottub or something like. It just ain't
my vibe, bro, Like it'snot my thing, you know, Like
I'm not saying that everybody does thatover there. That's not what I'm saying,

(01:47:40):
but attention. They're all fighting forattention. Yeah, look at me,
Look at me. It's not likeit's they're doing it for fun,
even though you can tell like theones that do do it for fun are
probably the ones that get the moreviewers, unless they're girls trying to show
body parts and stuff. Yeah yeah, like that that that that that Kai
guy, that Kai whatever, thatthat that that number one that I want
to stream or whatever. He seemsjust like a you just having fun out

(01:48:03):
there, but he just like Idon't know, like it's seem to be
like organically having fun and then theviews will come, you know, yeah,
if if you're playing, if youhaving fun, stream yeah yeah,
I mean maybe maybe maybe tied intolike the content somehow, like find like
weird games that could also have likeweird themes. I mean like I'm not

(01:48:25):
a gamer, but all these gamesI've seen, even like like Got a
war just like like like every likeevery single game I'm seeing it has like
a Chronos in it has some kindof giant monster, has some kind of
like giant chronos in it. Likethere's all kinds of esoterica in every game.
Just maybe like maybe tie that intoit. There's I was going to
do a show on that and streamlike with a Destiny. Destiny and war

(01:48:49):
Frame have so much a cult likeconnotations in them, you know, it's
crazy. Yeah, that'd be cool. But I mean even even if without
that just yeah, if it's astreatment even to nobody, might as well,
you know. But yeah, butit's been a it's been a blast.
I don't want to keep you toolong, but thanks for having me.
That's cool, it's cool. Uhyeah, I probably do need to

(01:49:11):
get out of here anyways, Idon't, I don't. I want to
thank everybody for like's the most superchats I think we've ever got. So
that's probably thanks to you, bro. You know. Oh no, hound
Dog and like I'm afraid I'm gonnamiss somebody, you know, but hound
Dog and word Salad and who elsedid I miss Michael? Everybody that donated

(01:49:34):
don was a DJ. Don Iforget who all donated. I'd have to
go back and look. But thankyou, guys. Thank You's the point
in it. Masters. You cansee that it matters. It's like that's
it's it makes an immediate difference.And just think, what how many dollars
kind of just like nebulously kind offall out of your pocket to just giant
corporations all day long, like asmall, small donation always helps you know,

(01:49:58):
well, I I want to makesomething like I've been thinking about,
Like I want to make something thathas to do with like gaming and broadcasting
or something. I just sit aroundand think about something cool I could make
for the with the friend FM otherthan just like a freaking paranormal radio station
like that's it's boring to me,dude, if we've we've been doing that
for a while, you know,I want to make it into something else.

(01:50:21):
The next thing. I don't knowany music tonight, man, Listen.
I have to ask you this though, if there was one song,
and I'm not saying pick one songlike your favorite song, but I am
saying, if there was one tracknights talker that you could pick that you
would kind of be embarrassed that peopleknew that you liked it, but you

(01:50:43):
really like it. That's the topone. Put me on the spot.
I'm sure there is one. Imean for me, it's like Wilson Phillips,
you know, yeah, I mean, but I like Wilson Phillips.
My go Too Easy one is uhthe first CDA ever bought. Like I'm
the I'm the age of the boy. I'm like the boy band. Err
so like like Backstreet Boys, orI was I was five years old for

(01:51:08):
the first or I was first gradefor the first Battory Boys and in SANC
CD, so like my my mygift for summer reading going in going into
first grade was like six six yearsold. Whatever was the first Battery Boys
CD? So, like justin Timberlake. Growing up was like cool to me.
I would like go to the barbershop and I have like I have
like curly ginger here, and I'dbe like, give me like the justin

(01:51:29):
Timberlake look or whatever. So likeI think that so like the SINC and
Batty Boys are like the Temptations inmy era, but I know that they're
stupid or whatever. They don't whenI grew exactly yeah to me, to
me, new kids aren't really great. And then and then like the generation
after, like the generation after islike justin Bieber in one direction, and

(01:51:50):
to me, that's trash. Imean, so you got to kind of
be in a certain like age agerange to kind of like it. You
know, if I was five yearsolder, I would think that I would
think back to Boys are trashed,maybe, but I don't know. I
mean sure, it's probably better examplesthan that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's a quick one. I don'thave that out here. I should
have already had it pulled up.I would have played it on the way

(01:52:11):
out, you know. Uh uhthe good answer that people are gonna hate.
But if like you're like in mygrain basically the call remix or just
a call by the by the BackstoryBoys, it's like it's like a later
Backstory Boys song. So from likeprobably like to like two thousand and three

(01:52:32):
or whatever, when they're starting toget like fallen off a little bit,
but uh it's oh the jam.But you kind of got it. You
gotta you had to. You gottahave been there at the time, or
you think it's like what the hellis you talking about? You know,
wow, bro, answer your question. If you were to choose one,
I could see you doing the BackstreeBoys dance too. You know. Yeah,
I was. I was. Iwas like six years old or whatever

(01:52:55):
the time period was. I diduh karaoke Larger than Life with a watch
of my friends. They did karaokeon the station like Gigi and I are
saying Dick in a Box from SaturdayNight Live. I remember that for that
song. I came later on theshow. I like you. Yeah,
it was fun, man, itwas fun. But uh yeah, like

(01:53:16):
we'll have to do it again onme for a while, you know,
and everybody, Yeah, I'm stillU. I call my dad, dad,
if you're listening, Uh, I'llcall you something. I'm gonna call
everybody me. It's not it's nota it's not to see what don't mean
to leave you hanging in particular,and everything happens, like you said,
when you get popular, you know, you don't just don't even acknowledge people,

(01:53:40):
you know, No, I justuh yeah, just my my,
I'm just in my own head allthe times. And just if you don't,
you don't like, pull me out, then I won't I won't pull
myself out, you know. Somy my best my best friends in the
world at every at every level,my hometown friends, my my college friends,
by just my my my French friends, like all my everybody. I

(01:54:03):
love you. I love you stillthe same as I loved you before.
It's just I don't know. I'mbad at reaching out, so I apologize.
But it's fun, fun coming.I said all my exers too,
I love you the same. Yeah. Yeah, seriously though, I mean,
yeah, I'm not mad. I'mnot mad at anybody. It's just

(01:54:23):
that I going through my own stuffand I'm not good with them responding to
messages that type of stuff. ButI mean, we don't do Monday nights.
It was a special thing. Youknow. Everybody came and hang out,
hung out. It was cool.It was a good time. Yeah,
ibody to figure out what to titleit, you know, yeah,

(01:54:43):
I know, Uh, you getto the Light or the Force or something
to the fourth to the fourth I'msaving that one for I'm still I'm still
writing that one down. So I'mhoping opened by by by Star Wars to
day I'll have that more more polished, ready to unveil to the world.
Maybe the cosmic bugs. Apper,tricked by the light, the cosmic bugs.

(01:55:06):
There we go. I can definitelymake a thumb nail for that one.
Cosmic bugs Apper, colon, willyou go to the light or whatever?
Just a makeable understand what what's about? But yeah, thank you guys.
I'm sorry my mic is all messedup. I'm sorry. I've been
in the same position the whole time. So I'm sorry, uh the staticky
and don't worry about that. Butthank you for being accommodating and forgiving and

(01:55:30):
uh okay again, thank you reallyfor thank you everybody listening. Yeah,
well, when we'll have you backand then tomorrow night Dave Cruz will be
on so nice. All right,I'll meet up. Let you go,
Thank you, brother, all right, nine, I y'all. Sweet dreams, SA

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