The Fourth Initiate Owen Hunt

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome, Welcome to Lighting the voiding.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
A broadcasting live from a shack on a hill in
the Mossy Creek bottoms of King Greek, Arkansas. This is
Lighting the Void Live and we are live on this
July of the ninth, twenty twenty four. Sorry it took
so long, but we're doing a what is it a
back to back doubleheader, that's what we're doing. So I

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was on Owen Hunt's show. He's going to be on
this show tonight and we're gonna talk the Kabbali on reality, transerving,
the metaphysics and more. That's what we're gonna be talking about.
So strap in we'll also continue. I don't think we'll
get to it tonight, that's a possibility. It depends on

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how long Owen stays with us. But after that we
will get back into the mystical kabbala and get back
into our studies. Right. That's the that's the It's not
me being lazy, honestly, well there's a small part of it.
It's me being lazy reading books online. But also I
feel like once I read these books, I can just

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when people ask questions, I can be like, hey, to
just go watch that video, right, like, that's kind of
one of the reasons why I'm doing it. So it's
going to be a long process to finish the mystical Kabala,
but it's going to be worth it. And you're gonna
understand a lot about the Kabbala. But tonight, uh, we're
gonna talk a little bit about the Kabbalian. Okay. And
so Owen Hunt is with us. He just invited me

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onto his show. He didn't know he was coming on
this show, but I like to balance things out, so
he's here with us, and uh, as well, just bring
him on. What's up? Brother, Let's let the good times roll, man.
We got to let this stuff continue. That's why I
look at thank.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
You so much?

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, brother, for sure? Oh sure? So you what so
you put a fresh copy out of the Kabbalian out there?
Is it in the audio world only or is it
ebook too or what?

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah, I uh, I made it trying to make it
as accessible as possible. I mean I even put it
on YouTube, you know, if you want it without ads.
I got it on Patreon there, but it's on Audible,
It's on Spotify ever, and iTunes all the major platforms
as well. That's also there on YouTube. You know, I

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just wanted to make the information maybe a little bit
easier to understand, a little bit more palatable, a little
bit more contemporary, because I really believe in that book,
but it was always kind of tricky to read.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Honestly, What is it that's tricky about it? What do
you think that? What do you I mean, what do
you think that throws people off the most?

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Well, it's the whole like mystical hermis tres magistus, the
thrust great. It's of greatest great who lived for three
hundred years. You know, it's like, dude, come on, man,
you really hyphen this up. And and don't get me wrong,
the information in the book is it is fantastic. It's
really tell you in the preamble the idea is to

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reunite all knowledge systems because the principles themselves, that's what's
important in the knowledge systems, not who this figure was
or what date this happened, or whether we should eat
this meat or that meat. Right, it's none of that.
It's these principles, these natural law, spiritual principles that are

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in operation in the world. And so I think it's
a very pivotable, pivotal and transformational book. It it's also
maybe a little tough to read and maybe a little
challenging to read. So I wanted to see if I
could simplify some of the concepts and put it out

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there if it's helpful to people. I think from a
production standpoint, it's my best work yet, and I think
I did a pretty okay job translating it. We'll give
myself a.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Give yourself a good score.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
I give myself a pretty you know, yeah, give myself
a pretty good score. I enjoyed making it. Made me
learn a lot, you know, Like I said this somewhere,
but I was like, even if nobody likes it, they
hate it, nobody ever listens to it. I learned a
lot making it, So it was worth it from that standpoint,
because you know, you take something that's kind of high

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thought and try to make it simpler that I think
that's what a good teacher would try to do, or
someone who's relaying information or synthesizing it, what have you.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, make it easy for everybody to understand.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah, that's my that's my goal. That's why I call
the show blue Collar Mystics. You're a prime example that,
and that's why I call it blue collar mystics because
you know, I get to hang out with you and
we talk about this stuff and make it, you know,
absolutely approachable, as opposed to like, I'm so smart. Look

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how smart I am because I know all this shit
and you know, I got my you know, tools and
my whatever. It's all. It's all kind of a show.
We're all learning, and uh I love your approach. You're
you're very much a blue collar mystic.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah, man, well, blue collar is a is a good
term for me, I would say. I mean I've I've
not I've worked for myself for a long time, but
in my whole life, I've worked as a bartender, a painter.
You know, dude, I could go down all the scrub
jobs I've done, but you know what, each job that

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I've done where I've put in energy and time right
like that zen thing. I've also thought about all this
stuff while I was working all those quote blue collar jobs.
You know, I thought about all this. As a matter
of fact, I think they threw me off the car
lot because I wouldn't shut up about it. When I
was in car sales, I'm like, well, you guys, lined everybody,

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It's like, well, They're like, well, we're making more money
than you, and I'm like, yeah, but why you lying?
You know, like, what's the point. It's it's just funny
that you call it blue color Mystics. I think it's perfect.
It's the perfect name for him.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
I mean, I grew up in West Georgia. Man, there
was everybody was doing meth if. I need to be
able to talk to somebody who just changed the radiator
about you know, Melkezedek. You know what I'm saying, like,
that's the kind of world that I want to live
in is a more practical one. I'm just trying to
honestly take concepts that have helped me and see if

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I can make them a little easier to understand for
other people. That's my general you know, m O. Is
that what they call it modus operanda or whatever.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
So people can grab this book anywhere, like you just said,
so there's that we have the stages, and I haven't
pulled up here of the seven Hermetic principles, which this
whole book pretty much. But so you've got mentalism, polarity, vibration, rhythm,
cause and effect, gender and correspondence, and not necessarily in
that order, do you think that these In my opinion,

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these things do work in an order, but I could
be wrong.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
You know, the way that the Kabalion has it laid
out in my opinion, like the good shit is at
the end. Yeah, I think it's like the best stuff
is chapter fourteen and fifteen in my opinion. And that's
the principle of mental gender. So that's applying the law
of gender to mentalism, which separates the consciousness into two parts,

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the eye and the me, the I being the static
observer and the me being the mental womb or the
emotional mind. Sure, understanding those two distinctions is what allows
us to leverage will and actually eight things and have
a little bit more control over our mood, our mental states,

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and then we're more at the cause. That's really a
lot of the book right there, cause and effect being huge.
All these laws are things that we see over and
over in nature and mentalism being the primary ones, which
is basic common sense when you think about it, right,
Like everything starts as a thought first and then it's physical. Yeah,

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if it becomes physical.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, everything isn't a spark of an idea before it
even gets a blueprint, before it even comes into existence.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, right, right, and all that stuff is already exists,
right because infinity is real, so like all that, all
those ideas, they already exist in like the ether, so
it's just a matter of bringing them into physicality.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
It's funny too, because I watched the short video today
of this guy making fun of manifestation. Basically, he was
making he put on this helmet called manifestation. He's like,
I don't need to work a job, I don't need
to do this. I'm going to manifest everything, you know,
kind of making fun of the new age people that
talk like that. And I thought, I get where he's

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coming from, because there's a lot of wo and the
ideas of manifestation. However, if this guy really looked at
the top escalons of money making and manifestation in the world,
they all go with these principles, every single one of them.
You know, Like if you've ever been into a board meeting.

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I don't know how many people have, but I have.
I wasn't supposed to be there, but I have. Right,
they use every single principle, Every single principle is used,
and they manifest exactly to the one and got it.
The higher escalons, if people got it down so good
that they know, as long as they stick to the

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systems of things that they're going to be fine, because
humans are that predictable. Nature is that predictable once you
tap into it, you know.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Well, in the higher vibration is has the momentum because
the universe is moving upward, even if it doesn't seem
like it, and resolving into one. And so higher activity
is higher vibration. Lower activity is lower vibration. The universe
favors higher activity and higher vibration because it's on that momentum,

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on that trajectory already anyway, going up toward the unification
of one. There's so many great ideas in that book,
and it's so freaking dense already, and I think I'm
somehow I think I made it a little easier to understand,
but also it's more dense, So sorry.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
I don't, dude, I'm stoked about it.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
It's dense, you know. But the principles, the ideas, that's
what matters. And you hear a lot of people talk
about natural law, and that's generally what they're referring to
as the Kabalian. It's I think William Walker Atkinson probably
wrote it that's the rumor, but it's the anonymous three
Mason's sort of lower story around it and all the

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preamble and stuff where they talk about how normies or swine.
I left that part out because I didn't feel like
it was important.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
But the lens your swine, what's up with that?

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, dude, if you listen to the original work, which
I also have on my YouTube channel too, the preamble
is just talking about casting pearls as swine. Now remember that.
But they literally, Yeah, I mean it's a great book.
I think the principles are universal, and yeah, specifically that
mental gender, and the idea of the book is alchemy, right,

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which they say is like turning lead into gold or whatever.
But what that really means is that it's really transmuting
negative emotions into positive ones. And you do that through
the law of mental gender by identifying with higher and
higher levels of the eye and coming out of the

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me awareness consciousness. You know you're going to resolve those
two right, ironically by separating them, you unite them because
everything's a paradox. But that's the general idea of what
mental transform, transmutation, or alchemy is.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
It's funny too, because everybody's got their own. So Carl
Jung has psychological alchemy, and then they have spiritual alchemy.
Then there's the the energetic alchemy of transformation. And the
thing about alchemy that I think is so cool is
that the stages of alchemy work on all of the
different systems that people try to put them down to, right,

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whether so it's if it's spa jerics, If it's like plants,
those stages work in plants. If it's metals, those stages
work in metals. If it's psychology, they work in psychology, right,
So like that this is the cool thing. If it's so,
if it's energy, then it's obviously something that observable. And

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this is why I think it is like a science,
even though it's Neil de Grasse Tyson obviously would say
it's not, but it is. If it's observable in everything.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Well, I mean a lot of the stuff that the
Kabalion talks talked about in the early nineteen hundred science
is now proving with experiments. It even talks about how
like atoms are made. And that's a whole fun rabbit
hole right there. Just the way the masculine and feminine

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operate in it, and how basically the masculine aspect of
proton will impress upon an impression of the feminine electron
that spins around it, right and like brings it into
its orbit it like makes it vibrate at some certain
level or something. You know, It's crazy the way it
talks about some of these more simple ideas. And I tried.

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What I wanted to really try to do is try
to stay true to the examples that it used and
try to modernize that. But there's a bunch of great
examples that you can look at right there and see,
Holy shit. You know, this is stuff that was speculative
back in the nineteen hundreds, but now science is actively

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proving a lot of this.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
We we like to think that because stuff comes from
a long time ago, that those people are stupid.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Isn't that funny?

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, they were dumb and more primitive. It's like, are
you sure? I don't know about that. I mean, we
may be more dumb down. Honestly, we're a lot more
programmed than some of the stuff that I've been reading.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
You know.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah, we think for ourselves way less. We rely on technology,
which makes us, you know, lazy. We don't challenge our intellect.
When's the last time you drove around with it without
your GPS on?

Speaker 1 (14:56):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
It's just we have to act seek challenge. You know.
I'm not trying to be condescending. It's tough. I mean,
it's one of the biggest challenges is finding way of
finding ways to challenge yourself because challenge doesn't come as
easily as it used to.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
You know, I say, get out of body. That's the
hardest light. Come on, man, that's a challenge, right, get
to a vibratory state, peel yourself out of body, and
then just keep exploring further. Most people like what you're
fucking lunatic?

Speaker 3 (15:26):
You know, that's such a challenge. I just it's too
challenging for me. I need to I guess I need
to figure out a process to try to get into
that state because I do want to try it.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Well, it's it's hard, Like you, you have to. What
I've realized is you got to be healthy. You have
to be balanced to get into that state. You know,
like hard it is to stay balanced. That's what hypnogogic is.
It's the end between state. It's like the middle pillar
of the mind, right, like, don't fall asleep, but stay awake. No, no, no,

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don't fall asleep.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
But way it's consciousness edging.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah yeah, right, and it's like a thin line where
all this cool shit happens. But you're like then you
come out of it and you're like, well what happened?

Speaker 3 (16:10):
And you you can't you can't remember.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
That's pretty funny.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
But if you have a like but if you have
like a full obe like experience, right, uh, what I
call the etheric experience. It is not a dream. There's
nothing that you don't remember nothing. If you slip into
a dream, that's another thing. You can do that, though
I don't do it much anymore. I tried again last

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night and I instantly became paralyzed, right to the point
where I was just like, I think my heart stopped, right.
So I started recording myself again like I used to owen,
and I was like, am I snoring? Is this like
what you call it?

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Sleep?

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Because I'm overweight. I have apnea sometimes, like I snore.
You and I used to have snore fests, so you
know this, like right, I think I do too, But
I was I was recorded. I didn't snore it was
just the paralysis, like the vibratory state is when it
slowly kind of sinks in, you know, and you're you're
actually really awake as you're but if your body just

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goes in, like if you're a hard sleeper, you know
people that just oh, I'm going to bed and next
thing you know, they're snoring like they're down. I think
I'm moving into that sphere, which I'm very upset about
because I don't want to be that person that just
goes instantly unconscious, you know.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yeah, I mean I sleep like a rock, but I
I'm hesitant to like get one of those sleep apnea masks.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Though, yeah shit.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
I mean, god, dude, I've heard people just talk about
how I tried a mouthpiece one time because Brandon Powell
told me, you know, like what happens with our jaw
because we don't, I don't know, eat eat the same diet,
we don't chew as much of our jaws like slip
into like like they slide down and basically block our airway,

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is what he told me. So he told me to
get a mouthpiece. But dude, it's like a fucking scuba
snorkel trying to sleep with you know. Yeah, it's like
what am I? This is awful? You know, it's just
fucking so uncomfortable. Yeah, you can't go to sleep. I
dare you to be able to go to sleep. I
mean you'd have to be on. Yeah, you'd have to

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be on. Yeah, it's it's hard to go to sleep.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
You'll find the if you find the right partner. Anyways,
they'll just tell you it's cute until they're with you
after a long time. Who gives a ship right, sleep
in the other room, Get out of here a starfish.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Anyway, dude, It's why I have two bedrooms.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
I remember when we went to the event to speak
with gr America. People were like, they're putting ear plugs
in because me and Owen was in the same room.
And I was like, I don't hear ship. It doesn't
bother me, you know, so you should just ve us
there because it don't bother me. Because I'm used to it, right,
I grew up around someone was snoring all the time,

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so I just it kind of puts me to sleep
a little bit. But also, you know, if I get
down to a certain weight, I won't snore period, Like,
I just won't happen.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Definitely. The more healthy you are, I think,
the less you have, we're gonna have breathing. But my
grandmother used to have it so bad, dude. She would
just like shake the house and then yeah, it would
she would be so loud and then all of a
sudden she would just stop.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
That's scary, right, like, hey, did you stop breathing?

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Like exactly, dude. Every time it happened, I would be like,
oh my god, Oh my god, and It'd be like
minutes and minutes, and I'd be like, I need to
go check on her. And then I go in there
to go check on her. As soon as I went
in there, like just immediately just like an alien jumped
out of her chest and just so loud and just scary.

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But yeah, it's it's annoying.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
But what law, what law would that file under?

Speaker 3 (20:09):
I'm pretty sure that's vibration, you know?

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, right, it's vibration. Which one's your favorite? Which one
do you like talking about the most?

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Maybe? Uh, I mean mentalism and maybe polarity. I are
to to two of my favorites of the laws, but
I mean it all comes back to mentalism. That's really
the place to start. Everything begins with the thought, and
it has to be a thought first before it can
come into existence. You know, we don't. We don't build

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a sand castle and then think I should build a
sand castle.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, you don't just crying until you have a thought
to a lot of people don't know that, even like
even some girls. I've been around some girls with like
why are you crying? They're like, I don't know, you know,
just but it's like but if but you know, I
wish we could do that. Did I send you that
thing where dudes don't cry or whatever? That you gotta
watch that. It's funny. But like if you talk to them,

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if you're like, all right, you know, hug them whatever
till they stop crying and then start asking what were
you thinking about whatever? Then they know like you had
a thought, you thought about something, right, and you said,
you know, it's not the other way around. Mm hm no,
Well then should I do everything for my mind or
my heart? I'm like, well, you're thinking brain and heart

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like right, So it's kind of the same thing. And
in fact, I think they've they've found brain cells in
our mind and in our intestines and in our heart.
We have a small amount of brain cells in our
heart system too.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, so the mind is a whole other subject of
Like a lot of people think brain, don't they when
you think mind?

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Right, But no, the mind is not in the body.
The body is in the mind. That's what Eileen Day
McKusick says. And I fucking agree because we got that
toroidal field thing going on, that's our aura and stuff,
electromagnetic field. I believe that. I'm pretty sure that's scientifically
proven too. That's a thing that's crazy. But yeah, I

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mean I think and it makes sense with like what
we were talking about before, the elements of the psyche
of our own psyche kind of coming out in those forms.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah. I wish everybody would go to your YouTube channel
and watch that video you you did on unconditional love, UD.
Look like, I don't. Love is not Some people just
run from that subject. I don't. It's the best thing
on the planet. It's the love is the best thing

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that we have going for us, right, And when you
are in love, or when you have a lot of
love in your life, you're just happier, You're more alive,
your life becomes an adventure instead of a fucking prison.
You know, things are different when you have love in
your life and yet listening to you kind of talk
this philosophy about unconditional love while a person's trying to individuate,

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Is it kind of a form of alchemy, wouldn't you
say going through those principles?

Speaker 3 (23:20):
I would think so. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
You struggle with it all the time. I saw, like
I was telling you on your show, I saw, I
think today wouldn't make psychology today. It's my favorite one
of my favorite online magazines to read. Right, what makes
a low quality or a high quality person? Right? So
now we have magazines telling us at the first thing

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that popped up on our phone, if we're a high
quality or low quality person? Psychology today? Who has all
this money and all this stuff had three things on there?
You know, three things? Does a person la like empathy?
And are they a habitual liar? Into article? It doesn't
take a genius to figure that stuff out.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
We really need do we really need people to point
this out?

Speaker 2 (24:12):
So, but at the same time, we shouldn't be I
don't think we should be asking psychology today if we're
a good person or not, you know either, but we
we do.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah, well, I mean, we seek authority, even though authority
is completely made up. It's a fake thing. It's not real,
you know, at least in this realm. Respective people pretending.
But yeah, I mean my whole message is love is
all there is. I mean, we're resolving into the infinite consciousness. Ultimately,

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eventually some parts of this might suck and probably will,
and other parts are going to be awesome, and that
kind of balances out. There's compensatory forces that work there.
They say in the Kabalian that you have the capacity
to for pleasure and equal amount to the capacity for pain,
and a lot of other books would reflect that too.

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A lot of people who are creative maybe have a
deep connection and you sense certain things about the world,
You have sensitivities and yeah, that's a gift. But you'll
also be able to it says in the Kabalion, be
able to experience the other side of that. So that

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whole law of paradox is it's everywhere, you know, dualism, polarity. Basically,
they're going to experience that. I think that has a
lot to do.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
When people say karma too, it doesn't necessarily mean you're
going to get paid back for something you did bad
all the time. It might mean that you're going to
get to experience both sides of the equation, you know.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
And the Kabalion says that you go down before you
go up.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Interesting, acting like I don't know, the Cabalian says, but interesting.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
But yeah, no, that should be encouraging.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah, well it does explain it to in a sense.
Why that happens. You know, it's a pressure system. Really,
it has to, you know, it has to. You can
only suffer so much things. And I was telling this
to Gareth as a guy that listens to the show
he was diagnosed with als really good friends with him,

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and I hope that in the next life that we're
hope for best buddies man, because this guy's cool. But
imagine being trapped in your own body. You can't. Every
day you lose the ability to use your body the
way that you normally would, until you don't breathe right
anymore and you die. What the he? I mean, why

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would why would creation even why would that exist? Now
we can get into like the morality of that, or
perhaps perhaps the soul wanted to experience the transformation of
that even though it sounds I know the sounds completely

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fucked up. Okay, but perhaps the soul wanted to experience both.
But regardless, everything's going to transform. And that's what I
told him. I said, no matter how much you're suffering,
is going to get the pressure will not be there
forever you'll transform. Energy has to go somewhere, even like

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when we die, you know, we transform, our bodies can't
take the stuff anymore. We transform to something else. We
just don't know what the hell that is. I personally
think we just pop out another vagina, like there's no
heaven or hell. We just wake up crying again, going
what the hell is going on? Recently? Yikes, that's a
horrifying thought. Isn't it right? You damn it? Or like

(27:57):
it's not it's yeah, it's a horrifying thought.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Mean, I love it here, I love it. Please, Yeah,
don't throw me in the brick. But no, I think
that's kind of likely. I think there the Kabalion says
that reincarnation is a thing, but there are ascended masters
and stuff like that, so it's quite possible that you
move up in the scale of consciousness to where you
don't have to incarnate as a human anymore. You could

(28:21):
be some like a I don't know, weird lizard or
something speaks a crazy language from glip glorp or you.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Know, maybe you could recarnate as any person. Who would
you be? Like, if you could go back in time
and reincarnate into a.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Person, who would you be, Man, that's tough.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
I'd be Elvis.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Dude, Yeah, that's smart.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
I would be I would be Elvis. I want to
experience that Elvis life. I don't care if I die
on the toilet. I just want to experience it.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
I mean, yeah, yeah, that sounds pretty hedonistic, probably pretty fun,
a lot of pleasure, a lot of.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Fun, a lot of kissing people off.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Everybody thought he was satan, right, but he changed the
music game. Yeah he did, Like you just like put
a hamper on the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Hell no, dude, I'm not judging. I was going to
say somebody like Ralph Waller Emerson, But I'm like, do
I really want to sit around a fucking lake?

Speaker 1 (29:29):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (29:29):
A lot of people say like Alan Watch or someone
like that, Alan Watson, super intelligent, A lot of people
loved him, but the truth is he was miserable.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Well, one of my death yeah, he did.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
One of my biggest heroes is Robert Anton Wilson. I
just absolutely love his work. Huge fan. Yeah, but I
wouldn't say that I want to live his life. That's tough.
You know somebody who is just rich and not famous,
I want their life?

Speaker 2 (29:57):
You know, that would be even better.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
You know some anonymous rich person who has you know.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
I have a thing with money that I'm that I'm
like struggling with. Oh, and you're gonna do a coaching
session with me to help me?

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, well we both probably need some coaching on that.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
I don't like. I have not found any like. Even
the people have come into my life and they're like,
you just need to change your ideas about money and
it's all love. And those people turn up to be
some paths.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
They're the ones who will steal money off your coffee
table while you're taking a nap.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah, or if they've helped you out in any way
with money, they think that they've owned you or something.
You know, It's like, I don't I have not yet
seen I am sorry for any list. I have not
yet seen any great thing come from money. I just haven't.
The other only great thing that comes from is the
ability to do things and a freedom. But as far

(30:57):
as like how people are just haven't seen it, you know.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
I think it just amplifies who people already are, you know.
It's like it that's all. It's not. It doesn't make
people bad. It's not evil. The love of money is bad,
you know. But really, I think I like the way
that transerving approaches money because it's a byproduct and you know,

(31:22):
from the perspective of a lot of that old Hindu
stuff and the bagavad Gita of action and taking action
for the sake of action, the pleasure in the action
like really overlaps. And I think thinking of most of

(31:43):
our goals as certainly attainable, but attainable through process of
specific action without outcome attached to that action makes it
a lot easier to attain. So it's really leveraging action
without expectation in order to really make some make some

(32:07):
changes and put the process in place, and then the
goal comes about naturally. So like, specific money goals to
me are kind of off putting, Yeah, like why yeah, really,
it doesn't mean that you shouldn't be like, hey, here's
my budget, I need to make this much or whatever
I'm not saying don't be practical about how much finances
there are, But you.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Mean, like why do you like what's the purpose of
having the money?

Speaker 4 (32:31):
Right?

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Well, that's a great question there, right, Like for most
people it's going to be security, right, it's going to
be emotions. That's the purpose that they think that if
they have this money, then they'll be secure or feel better,
So that's what they're actually seeking. So I think that's
a great question to ask yourself too. What is it
that you are really wanting? What will the money do
for you psychologically?

Speaker 2 (32:52):
If you have.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
It's going to make you feel better, more secure, more
able to help people, right, because those are really the
things to focus.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Only reason why I could see myself wanting money is
just to be like, you know, you want this here, yeah,
just to see it, just to see how people light up,
you know, other than security. But you know what I mean, Like,
if there's no that's just for me personally though. But
I've also had money too, bron, I know you have,

(33:21):
like at some point I've had it, and like I've
had money, I've had a good amount of money. And
the diar ass will tell you that they hate me.
They were after me for once. But but my point
is is like, uh, what was my fucking point? Oh?
My point is is like it doesn't even dude, I
wasn't fulfilled. I realized that.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
You know.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
It was one another moment in my life that I
realized is like, is this all there is? Like when
Scarface was talking, is this what we do? We make
a bunch of money, we get fat, we eat, go
to bed, fuck whatever, you know, wake up again, do
it all over again, you know, when he was saying that, right,
and it's like, so okay, So I understand these people

(34:05):
just want a cozy little place to have sex and
go to sleep and eat food and not have to
worry about losing all that. Let's just be honest, right,
that's security. That's what they want. TV all that shit, right,
just wasn't enough for me.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
It's not enough. It's not enough enough for me, It's
not enough for anybody.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
I mean, well, I think it's really ultimately about fulfillment.
And there's many ways to make money and learn and
different things. You know, like I run a cleaning business
during the day and it's not like very glamorous to
have to sit here and do shit on the computer
and answer the phone and that's pretty much my day
and coordinate things with people. But it's an asset, and
it's a business, and all businesses are businesses, and there's

(34:48):
going to be processes that you have to learn in
any business, regardless of what it is that the business
is in the business of, right like, you have to sell,
you have to have leads, you have to have customers,
you have to retain them, no matter what business that
you're in. If you're selling cleaning services or massage therapy
or you know, whatever it is, it doesn't matter. So

(35:10):
it's been It's a good thing I think for people
to put themselves out there and learn these things no
matter what, no matter what they're trying to pursue, because
I think the more that you actively try things and
just take action, the closer you get to that fulfillment.
It's about trying things. You got to try stuff.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Damn it, Owen sounds like you sound like a big party.
I'll tell you right now. I like, if I want
to go to a party, I want to take Owen
with me.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Dude, I am fun at a party. You do want
to take me with you?

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Except that one time I took you to like we
went to what did some night It was like, that's
kind of when we realized we were older. You know,
I went to this night club in Daytona Beach and
it's nothing but just flat out twenty one year olds
maybe the whole time, right, that's who was there, maybe
twenty one year olds whatever.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
It was cool, but you start looking around and you
start feeling like people kind of looking at you that
what the fuck are you doing here?

Speaker 1 (36:07):
You know?

Speaker 2 (36:11):
So, so I want to I want to go to
Maybe Europe is different. I'd like to go to a
besa just before I turn forty five or something and
just rave out really hard, you know, take enough Molly
to her. I feel like I'm gonna die, and then
just be done with it, just one last time.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
You know.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Oh it's funny.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
That's hedonism. See I have a problem with hedonism, I
guess because you.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Know, dude, I don't think there's anything wrong with pleasure.
I didn't say that in any critical way, but it's
just like it made me reevaluate my decision because I
was gonna pick some prominent figure who probably had a
very boring life and read a lot of fucking books
and shit, you know, and if I'm gonna pick somebody's
life that I get to live, I don't mind getting knowledge,

(36:55):
and that's what I do now. But so cause, but
so other things are maybe a little more appealing, could
be even more fun. And I like fun. I'm like
you said, I'm a fun guy. I like to have
a good time. I definitely want to go to a party.
Elvis might be a little much. That's a that's a lot.
It's just a lot of limelight and attention. I would
be exhausted from that.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
I just go up there and do a dance that
freaks everybody out and they're like, oh, what the what
the hell is that? Like, yeah, yeah, I'm shaking it
up around here.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Just be controversial.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
It has to be that controversial figure just to have
people because I maybe that's the Aquarius internes, Jimmy, I
don't know. I don't like the status quo. And the
more I talk to you about this, I don't like
any of it. I don't like all the ship that's
online that talks about well, this is what a real
woman is or this is what a real man is,
and that it's like shut the fuck up, you know,

(37:51):
shut up.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
It will never end.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
You're so sick of it, dude. Yeah, Like let's talk
about dating Joe. Just be yourself and fuck it? Like,
who cares what these people? Who cares what people think?
I don't under It's not high school. I don't understand
this shit. You know. I feel like the Internet is
trying to bring us back to high school all the time.
That's what I feel like.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
You know that's a good Yeah, that's a good take.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
I like that. I agree, like especially the relationship stuff
and the you know that people just trying to evaluate
this shit all the time. It's just like, just go
stop trying to control everything. Go be yourself. If people
want to fucking leave, let them leave, Like, just be free.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Right.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
I don't and I'm not saying it from a sixties
or seventies like let's spread another std That's not what
I'm talking about. I just mean, like, let's let's who
gives a shit? You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Right? It sounds like it sounds very secure attachment of you. Well,
I mean that's a big thing now.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
I like feminine stuff doesn't make me a man. Like
I like to cry sometimes sometimes I might wear a
purple and sing a print song. I don't give a shit, Like,
but I'll still whoop your ass if you mess with me, Like,
what does that mean? Oh, you're not a man, you're
not a woman. You're like, well, who gives a shit
about all that stuff? Or you're nice, you're kind, you
must be one of those nice guys. No, I'm nice

(39:14):
until you fuck with me. Then I'll whoop your ass, right,
Like that's a But this is my point before I
lose it, because I get frustrated with this stuff.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
It's like, there's this modality. It's always trying to categorize
everybody and figure shit out, and I just I want
it to go away, you know, because I feel like
we're missing out on so much exploration of the self
because of it, if that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Yeah, it's like a it's it's like it's a limit.
It's like a cage. It's like a keeps us thinking
in a box, keeps us thinking less creatively. Yeah, you know,
I need to get out in the woods more.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
You know.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
That was the one thing.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Well you did that, you did the raft and things.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
I know, but I still need to get out, you know,
away from Wi Fi for a day or two here
and there, you know, I think it's good for you.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
I'm just yeah, no, that's a good that's probably Mary
was talking about that last night. Actually get out and
get it.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
For a day or two here and there, you know,
just I don't know, it's just so prevalent. I don't know.
I'm not like saying, oh it's bad, but it's like, yeah,
just get away from get away from all the stuff.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
We gotta take the radio station break. When we come back,
I do want to get dive deeper into the Kabalian
because it's like, I really feel like if we're going
to categorize things, we shouldn't be putting people in them.
We should just leave those things in nature, right, like
really studying nature, what does that mean? Natural law, nature,

(40:51):
hermetics and things like that, and how do they run together.
That's kind of what I kind of want to talk
about when we get back. If I don't go on
another narcissistic rant, you know, for it's all over. But yeah,
it's good to have you on here, man, because you
can talk to myself a lot of these nights in
the chat room.

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Speaker 2 (47:13):
That was one of the best concerts I've ever been to.
It was like a Dave Matthews show man. It seemed
I don't know what it is like a lot a
lot of people that there's some people that can't stand
Dave Matthews, Right, I don't know what it is, Dude.
I have a blast when I go to that, when
I go too like shows and stuff.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Man.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
I'm I was a huge, huge Dave Matthews fan high
school and college, went and saw him a bunch of times,
and then for years and years because like all my
friends were listening to like having rock or heavy hip hop,
crazy ship, I had to pretend like I know, I
never told I was like a it was like a
secret you never told them pleasure of mine. It was like,

(47:55):
what do they call it? A guilty pleasure? Dave Matthews.
But then a couple of years ago, randomly, my brother
got tickets for us to go on my dad's birthday
to a Dave Matthews concert and it talk it well
for me, it was a great show. But for me specifically,
it was like accepting a part of myself that I

(48:16):
had hidden. So it was like really integrative and it
was really what we were talking about, like, yeah.

Speaker 12 (48:25):
Individualistic recapitual recapitulation, like having a lot of those memories
come back and those parts of myself that I had
kind of shoved deeper down into my psyche and allowing
those to come back up to the surface.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Last, so when I went to bro it was in Memphis,
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(49:03):
you want whatever whatever you want here. But I remember
when I went to Memphis in May.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
It was like.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
I was nineteen years old and Dave Matthews was there,
and it was one of the first times that I
passed out in the lawn. Like all I remember was
everybody wearing like glow sticks and the you know how
you could buy those rings and glowy stuff. And I
was stoned out of my gorge. And we took some
acid too, and I remember just like having the best
freaking time, like dancing with everybody, like it was some

(49:33):
kind of weird dream almost, you know. And I was
there with a friend of mine, Sarah, and well, I
mean we became more friends later, but we were friends then,
and then my buddy Erin and a couple other people.
I just remember like waking up later and everybody was gone.
Imagine just laying in a field and you wake up

(49:54):
and everybody's gone, and it was like the freakiest thing,
Like where the hell did everybody go?

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Right?

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Almost like I felt like like a little kid that
got left, you know, out in the middle of a field.
But there isn't anything. This is what I was talking
about about music. Right, There isn't anything that makes me
think about not only that time, but that kind of
feeling that I had other than that music. Right, Music

(50:22):
is the only thing that makes me feel that way.
So where would that would that be under like vibration
or correspondence or all of this. So I think we
try to categorize stuff when it could be a lot
of different things.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
You know.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Well, the Cabalion even says that like every law is
reflected in the other laws. It's that much of a
mind fuck, you know, some.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Matrix of natural laws right.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Right right, And the way that they spell it out
is really cool. And then there's other books that spell
it out I think a lot of the same ideas,
but they just use different words, you know, just different
metaphors and things like that. But all these reflectings like
Napoleon Hill's book Outwitting the Devil, Oh my god, that

(51:07):
book is amazing, and he has his seven laws written out,
and his are defined differently, but he's he's you know,
he's explaining all the same stuff.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. His is the biggest one I remember
about that book is the law of like the Devil's
law of hypnotic rhythm. Yeah, yeah, he talks about smoking,
and you know, it's natural charge and discharge and stuff.
So the devil tries to bring you into these things
where you're doing that instead of exploring yourself consciously, you're

(51:46):
just caught in these you know, hypnotic rhythm states all
the time.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Yeah, you're drifting. You're never actively in control of your
own brain, your own awareness. You're not driving. And that's
what he's talking about, is he gets everyone through drifting.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
When you think about society today, right, like, let's take
let's take politics, let's take the stupid thing. I don't
care about Trump and Trump.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
I don't care either.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
It's Trump and Biden. It's like watching the worst WWF shit,
you know whatever. But if you look at the seven
Hermetic principles, what's going on there? I mean, obviously polarity
is one of them, but what other laws are going
on there?

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Well, there's rhythm there. The swing to the riot is
equal to the swing to the left. You know, you
see it. You look back at history and how people
vote and all that stuff. The pendulum's there one hundred percent.
It's polarizing people and taking energy from both sides, positive
and negative, cause and effect. The politicians are at the

(52:56):
cause and we're at the effect. If we would reverse that,
we'd be at the cause and they would be at
the effect. And maybe some societies have had that where
the public servants served the public because they were at
the effect and they were like, if we don't do
our jobs, these people are gonna shoot us or put
our heads on stakes. But we don't do that. So
I would say probably all of them.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
You know, honestly, I think polarity is the biggest one.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Hilarity.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Yeah, you know, when the like if you if I
take everything back to the tree, right, if you took
the first politicians, what were they they were in the middle.
They were Democratic Republicans, that's what they were called Democratic Republicans.
So you have red and blue all in one person.
Imagine that, you know, imagine that concept. And somehow or

(53:45):
another something came along. It's like, let's just divide this shit.
Let's cause some conflict here.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Yeah, well, you know if you know how to use
that conflict. And one of the things that the Kabalian
talks about is the law of state transference mental states
that people are going to pick up on that and
that you can use these principles and ideas to not
just change your own mind in the principle of mentalism,

(54:13):
but you can also change other people's minds. And certainly
we're under countless spells, an unbeievable amount, so it is
obviously very true. I think the point is to kind
of create your own spell.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Right, Look, that we're doomed, This country is doomed. I'm
just I'm just saying we are.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
I think it was a long time ago. Yeah, it
would be maybe a small I don't know. I think
there's a small window to still make some things happen,
but I think it's closing quick, honestly. Honestly, Costa Rica
sounds nice.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Yeah, right, Well, it's one of those things where I
feel like when we any look, anytime you try to
categorize yourself, anytime you don't understand the balance of things,
or anytime. The whole idea of that magical process and
the psyche is even in genders, bringing the masculine and

(55:15):
feminine together inside you two. So while you're watching either
as a woman all these videos about how you should
be a better woman and more feminine or all or
even as a dude, you're watching all these videos about
how you're not man enough and yet you've got the
who you really are fighting on the inside this shit

(55:35):
all the time until you decide. What I'm saying is
is you have to take that Christ like thing where
the world's going to put you up on a cross
and say you're not this. That's totally different. You can't
be this, you see what I mean, or will kill you,
will destroy you, whatever. And that's the whole That's what
the whole freaking story of Tiferet and the Tree in
Christ is. It's when you come into unification with yourself

(55:59):
and you can it deny it anymore. You can't go
back and play their game anymore.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
You know, Well, people don't really know what they want. Really,
it's all a distraction, you know. I just feel like
it's such a distraction, and I'm guilty of it myself,
so I'm not trying to hate. But it's like, oh,
if I just get this partner, or if I this
thing or this or whatever. But it's like, man, it's
just another illusion to chase, you know. Just try to

(56:28):
truly become better and then you'll get better things. It's
kind of like the money thing, where it's like if
you chase money directly, is that going to work out
for you?

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Not?

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Well, it's a nightmare. It's just like if you try
to chase love directly, it's a nightmare.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
But it is.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
It's also a byproduct or you're.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Going to attract the same toxic needy kind of I
don't want to say needy. That's stupid. I hate that
phrase because we all need companionship in our life, most
of us do. But what I mean is is if
you're following that suffering line of the natural fear of well,
I'm going to be alone, I'm going to die alone
and I don't know anybody, and no one's ever going

(57:07):
to love me before I die, which does happen to
some people. You know what I think, I think a
lot of times, honestly, I think we should spend more
time with old people and children. Just spend time. Go
see the difference between an old person's life when they
have family that cares about them or a partner whatever,
and another old person that's about to die that not
only is getting used for their money, but no one

(57:29):
gives a shit about them and they've thrown them off
the side of the cliff, right, Like we need to
see that, So we realize our fear is natural when
it comes to this thing. And then when now, when
we go experience this thing, when people go, well, you
should be happy all by yourself. Yeah, of course obviously.
But if we don't set love at a high importance,

(57:50):
we could end up like that, or someone we care
about can end up like that. You see what I mean.
It's not as set as high as how much am
I going to make financially, or where do I stand politically?
Who am I psychologically? Or what about my career? What
about the people in your life? You see what I mean?

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Absolutely the people in your life. That's the true riches. Yeah, hint, hint,
just saying yeah, right, because it gets it can't get
better than that. Yeah, it's like the Dave Matthews concert.
You're hanging out in the grass of your people. Dude,
what's better.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
I'm the kind of person that evaluates everything, like I
love people in relationships and stuff, and I like to
keep those things as close to me as possible and
not have the outside categorizations of everything ruin it.

Speaker 10 (58:46):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
All me.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
There's just so much noise out there. I've been watching
a lot of the dating stuff. I'm fascinated by it
because I think, you know, we we are wired on
a biological level, and then we live in this society
that's completely different than our wiring, and I think we've
been sold a lot of false truths about romance and

(59:11):
how the dynamics of nature interact.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
You know.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
So it's been interesting false true, pretty interesting.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Like you're treating like you're either treating yourself as if
you're not a human, or you're treating someone else's if
they're not a human. You know, right, that's a woman,
so they're supposed to be overly emotional, not necessarily, or
that's a man. He's supposed to be just logical and
not have emotions. Yeah, it's like, where do you come
up with this shit? But these are humans, these are

(59:42):
human beings. Man, they have all of that. Yeah, you know,
like a man has certain things that he can do
that a woman don't, vice versa, and they had Like
what that's it, that's the only difference.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Well, we're supposed to be complimentary.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Yeah, no, exactly.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
That's the truth of the matter. And it's just doing
a war divide. It's just bullshit, dividing people and putting
them into categories and this person that or these men
ain't shit or whatever. It doesn't it doesn't change anything
really ultimately, you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
The red pill community that bothers me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
I don't like the red pill community, like the friends
in it. But yeah, not because they're It's not because
they're really wrong about a lot of that stuff. It's
because they just can't accept the truth, just accept it.
They I guess they call it red pill because they're
never gonna swallow the fucking thing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Well, I see all these like podcasts where they're going again,
they're like, well, why do you have a you know,
they're just ridiculing these women that do that are pretty
much don't even share the same values as them, right,
So they're these women are that have like only fans
or they're they're sleeping with people from money or whatever.
So they're bringing these people on the podcast totally annihilating

(01:01:05):
them and then trying to act like, well, this is
the problem with society, and it's like, why don't you
bring a woman on the podcast that has the same
values that you do that you think that don't exist, right,
because you're still coming from a fear, You're still coming
from a lack mindset. There are billions of people in

(01:01:25):
the world, right, Like, you're coming from a lack mindset
that there's not going to be anybody that you relate
to at all. Right, Sure, a woman is going to
have a menstrual cycle and be a little bit more
emotional than you whatever, you know. Like, but the idea
that you're going to try to control them and turn
them into something and teach them a lesson about what

(01:01:46):
they really need to think about, it's bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Let the girl go do what she wants to do.
Let her learn her own lessons. Maybe that's what she
wants to do, and go focus on finding somebody that
shares your values and stop trying to teach everybody a lesson.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
It pisses me off.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Well, I mean it works because of the polarity. It
works because there's friction. It works because it's controversial and
you know, people are going to take sides. That's what
makes it popular. The middle path is not as flamboyant.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
It's not as fun. It's more as boring.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
The truth is the truth is available, freely, freely, fucking available.
Anyone can have it. But most people are going to
turn their nose up at it because it's not entertaining enough.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Yeah, I mean, like the truth if you followed the
in my opinion, if you followed the kabalian as. Let's
say you're a man. Being masculine doesn't necessarily mean, in
my opinion, making a bunch of money and being chiseled,
but it does mean like going after what you want, right, Like,

(01:03:00):
stop being afraid of what you want. Just go after it.
Do what you want, like, vibrate a little higher, and
love will come into your life. You don't have to
chase it, you don't have to do whatever. You can
be as picky as you want to be. It's the
same thing for women, right be be as feminine as
you want to be. Stop trying to be cool and
shit whatever it is you're trying to do. Be as

(01:03:20):
feminine as you want to be, have as much fun
as you want to have, and love will come into
your life. It'll just happen. Like I'm not saying there's
some kind of weird woo thing going on. It just
happens that way, you know, almost like the lust for
results kind of thing, you know, that whole thing. We
have a caller that looks like five or three area code.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
You're on the air.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Who we're speaking with?

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Hey, guys, it's Tami.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Oh yeah, what's up man?

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
This snow day the fucking seat waves that is sweeping
across the northwest right now. I heard one hundred and
four today.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
What's on your mind?

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Yeah, ship man. I was just listening to you guys
over on Holmes stream and Uh. I's had a couple
of questions about uh delineating versus discerning.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Like how.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
How would you necessarily describe focusing on like where you're
at currently versus where you are headed or where you're
trying to head, Like you got into that a little

(01:04:48):
bit on the last show. But I don't know. I've
been having a lot of like orange and magenta popping
up for me recently, a lot of seemingly discordant, like
discon like disjointed. Uh dreams.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
May fall on the tree, Oh you want to know
where it falls on the tree? Magenta and uh magentas
like that pinkish color, right, pinkish want I only get
my colors wrong here? And orange? Oh, I think that
you're trying You're to me, only to me so you
have hode in the sun, right so you're struggling with

(01:05:38):
like what you really want to be and where you
want to be, who you want to be, not just
where you want to be, but who you want to be.
And the mind, So there's the mind is this place
of knowledge and formulas and this is the way things
are supposed to be in communication and intellect and logic.
And hold right, that's fear, and then you have the sun.

(01:06:01):
There's a path between there that's probably bringing these colors
in that where your mind is getting in the way. See,
what you need to do to balance this out is
bring more pleasure and emotion into your life somewhere. I
don't know, if it's nature, fun, whatever it is, that
should be the way back to that childlike energy the

(01:06:23):
mind seems.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
I'll tell you, cutting meat in the slaughterhouse or a
four degrees it does not bring a child like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
What doesn't bring you joy?

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
It doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Why the hell are you doing it? Because you need
to make money, right, because you need to pay bills.
Balance that out with something that brings you happiness, and
then find another fucking job. Get away from it. It
doesn't make you happy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Well, that's the thing about it. I mean, this plant
doesn't make me happy, per se. But I got a
job lined up in Pennsylvania, and I'll be taking a
trip from Oregon to Pennsylvania in August to go out
and meet them and then hopefully uprooting my life and

(01:07:08):
fucking getting done with the three decades I've spent here
and heading and heading out east.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Hey, do you have like a weird dreams? By the way,
I always wondered about, like, so you're what are you
a butcher? You're in like cutting meat all the time?

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Yeah? Exactly?

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Do you have weird dreams?

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Right now? Now?

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Do you have weird dreams from that? Sometimes?

Speaker 6 (01:07:34):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Not necessarily. I don't work on the kill floor. I'm
not an abat fall. I'm a butcher, so I'm working
with the carcasses after they're cold. But even so, but
this plant that I'm at currently, I don't get very
much experience like actually cutting and and working with the carcasses.

(01:07:56):
I'm more like producing sausages, make bacon, working the meat grinder,
like the more menial tasks per se that are a
little bit more detail oriented. Because it's essentially a full
Mexican workforce, and I'm one of two white dudes that

(01:08:18):
work on the floor and so yeah, I mean it's
just not easy to read detailed instructions for spice kids
in the second language, per se or shit like that.
So I kind of got stuck in the in the

(01:08:39):
more monotonous, like drudgery side of the processing plant.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
I can hear it in your like energy, do you
get that, You're getting that vibeboning, like just you need
to have some fun, bro, You need to like have
some fun, make yourself have fun. So now like, yeah, man,
go to the beach in the car and drive just.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
You know, uh that sounds I'm sorry all that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Yeah, it's rough, man, It's been a fucking ciss sssian cycle.
Uh in an Ora Boris hamster Wheel. As I told
on like, it's a it's not a fun fu place
to be. But you know, I got to keep the
lights on for time that I'm living under these lights anyhow.

(01:09:35):
But next week I'll be going and checking out different
ellen Owen cook on my birthday, and then the day
after I'll be going out to uh get a nice
Spanish dinner with one of my buddies at one of
the nice restaurants in town. And hopefully next weekend I'll
be able to get out to a lake or something. Man,

(01:09:56):
But it's been a fucking, very very uphill, repetitive battle.
For sure.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
You got anything you want to add on.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
That.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
I I I concur with Joe. I'm excited for you too,
because you're going to learn a lot when you go
and check how that dude's seminar, and you will have
a lot of fun with your friends. But it's a barrage.
It's a lot of information. But I know James Jamie
was with us at UH contacted the Canyon Real the

(01:10:30):
first one in Arizona.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Yeah, so it was the Shasta. It was UH dude
that was walking around the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know who you are. Yeah, okay,
yeah that's cool. Well, dude, man, like you're like family
to us.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
And I hate to hear this, but no, I mean
getting out here. I'm excited for you see how the
job works or the possibility of something different dude. And no,
you're you're on the way to to doing some new things.

(01:11:12):
But I just I agree with Joe. Man, it's it's
hard to remember. It's easy to get bogged down. We
got to remember to have fun. And I mean That's
the thing that he will teach you in that seminar
is how to turn turn the brain off and get
out of your head. That's the biggest thing is he
holds most of us back.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Do you have children?

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
No, not yet? Okay, but I got a lady waiting
for me out on the East coast.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Listen. Oh, well, you probably should evaluate the shoulds too.
What I mean by that is it's it's depression and
anxiety is at an all time high in this country.
So every I want like, do me a favor and
go over all the things that you're telling yourself that

(01:12:05):
you should do, and are they really coming from you.
I should pay the bills, and I should keep my
lights on, and I should have a bunch of money,
and I should have kids, and I should go to college.
Whatever it is you're telling yourself, and make sure that's
coming from your heart. And if it is, fine, but

(01:12:26):
if it's not, it's going to give you depression and anxiety.
Because you could have the biggest adventure if you really
want to, that you really wanted to, You could look
at life as a whole freaking adventure and not have
to worry about any of that. Now I'm not saying
don't do this or that. I'm just saying only just

(01:12:47):
make sure that it's you that's answering those questions.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
In regards to kids, man, and being in relation. I'm
lucky enough to have a lady that stayed by my side.
You met her out in shafts at Chelsea. Yeah, but yeah,
we've had a rough year. She moved back to East

(01:13:16):
last year and I've been out here by myself since.
I just fucking struggling to keep things afloat. But when
I was a kid and everybody would ask me what
I wanted to do when I grew up, the only
thing that came to mind was to be the best
husband and father that I could. And so if that's

(01:13:40):
been ringing around in my head since I was probably
seven or eight, I don't think that I would have
held on to it if it wasn't from myself.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
There you go, man. So nothing makes you happier than
that idea of family right like this, being a good
partner and having a child. So practice, practice visualizing what
it would feel like to have all those things till
it makes you cry from joy. Then then figure out,

(01:14:09):
then figure out what the adventure would be like to
get to that place adventure, all right, And if it
doesn't make sense, if if, even if you see you
start telling yourself this is all fantasy bullshit. Do daily
rituals where you see these things. Make your life a

(01:14:32):
ritual around this adventure of family. If that's what your
heart really wants, and piss on what everybody else thinks.
I say, have a party with it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
I don't mean drugs and that kind of party. But
it could be able to really do it's it could
be a magnificent, magical thing. That's what children are. Actually,
I've got one. I mean he's now it's been as
magical it was when he was a child. But you know,
but he's dude. He's working a job. He's laying he's

(01:15:08):
laying pipe, right, He's doing a job.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
I don't you know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
He's doing a job I wouldn't want to do. But
he loves to make money, he loves to have things.
He's different than me, and that's okay. You know, as
long as he has he's the one making those decisions,
you know. I know, when you have a partner, you
got to consider the other person too. And if you're
on different sides of the country, I know what that

(01:15:32):
feels like as well. But to have someone still there
with you is a blessing too, So maybe make sure
that both of you can do that. Hell, I don't know,
the times are tough, but you know, I don't know.
Peter Penn didn't always have a good time trying to
kill the hook either, but it was still an adventure.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Yeah, man, I hear that entirely. Definitely been the hell
of a journey to get to the point where it
feels good and stable and exciting to reunite and to
start building that life together because it's been tumultuous. But

(01:16:19):
you know, over the course of the fucking coming up
on three and a half years we've been together, and
I'm just I'm ready for the for the page to
turn and to actually start to get some of these
things that we've dreamt about in action.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
It's just like you were saying earlier, I have such
a fucking tendency of letting my mind get in the
way and sabotage me from actually taking action. And it's
the age old adage of paralysis by analysis, you know,
Like in these last few months of sobriety, I find

(01:16:59):
myself for my cognition working and speed that I haven't
been able to muster in fucking years because it's been
fifteen years of chronic chronic use. You know, you saw
the way that I fucking sucked that bomb, Dude, I
was sucking that bomb. Goddamn pathifire.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Yeah, yeah, it'll it'll do a number on you. And
nowadays I can't handle the weed, Like, uh, I'll have
a freaking panic attack just hitting it a couple of times.
I don't know how to He'll like, I have to
think that there's some that's doing something to your can't
brain chemistry, right, Like I'm not a doctor, and I'm
not gonna preach either, but I wouldn't could probably tell

(01:17:40):
you how to transerve that, although I wouldn't get I
once I've seen, I won't get down on the bong before,
you know, so like yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Man, I mean I took a week off and then
I went back to it, and then I fucking and
I was said, no long, I'm good on This is
not we This is a fucking narcotic listen to smile
what it once was or what it was meant to be.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
I've part like a dude. If anybody gets it, I do.
I've done things that even Owen's looked at me. He's like,
you sure you want to do that? And I'm like, yeah,
why not?

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
So I get it right? Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
I'm sorry brother, No, no, I'm just saying no judgment
from here.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
I think if people do whatever you want. I'm not
trying to tell anybody either, but I do think it
makes a huge difference. Every little bit helps, even if
it's just two five percent, three percent. Think about what
three percent is over the course of five years. A

(01:18:45):
little tiny bits add up. But yeah, man, get out
there and fucking have a ripper of a night.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Bro Hold hold that vision of your happiness for it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
You know, if your brain starts getting away just talking,
even if people think you're crazy, I do it. Sometimes
I talk about it because it doesn't matter. Yeah, like like,
fucking h what do you call it? Socrates. I'll talk
to myself. I'll have a thought that tries to sabotage
what I'm doing or my ultimate happiness, and instead of
getting mad at it, I'll say what my teachers taught me,

(01:19:20):
like Liam Thomas, Christopher and others that taught me and
magic they taught me this like it's like talking to
a demon. Hey, I appreciate what you're offering right now,
but it doesn't really serve my purpose at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
You know, you gotta be careful when you're breaking up
with a demon.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Yeah, they don't like they don't like Ben's they don't
like being told that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
The you know, they don't want to hear No.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
Yeah, I fucking feel that. I definitely feel that. And
for what it's worth, man, I think I'm going to
be reaching out.

Speaker 8 (01:19:52):
To you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
On an individual basis, on a one to one and
start working some of the stuff a little bit more intensively,
because it definitely feels like I have some some shit
hanging over my head, you know, a couple of those
actual demons that I've called in over the years. You know,
my fucking field becomes so fluid, being all water like

(01:20:20):
I've just turned into a puddle with that fucking weed
juice that it just opened me up to all sorts
of shit, and I just feel like, Yeah, there's definitely
like some ancestral shit in there, some weird shit in
regards to the way that my mom came into the
world and the way that my dad's was moving about
the world. Like my great grandfather, the guy that my

(01:20:43):
dad got his name from, died in the First War,
and his wife fucking outlived three other husbands, so she
might have been a fucking serial killer for all I know. Dude.
I never met my great grandma, but like, yeah, there's
a weird shit no lineage for sure, and it all

(01:21:04):
seemingly have the focal point over in Pulas County, Kentucky,
near to Mammoth Caves, which isn't too far from either
of you guys. So it might be cool to get
together and do a little try act group or a
meet up or something out there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
Yeah, we're working on that stuff. We'll figure it out, man.
But hey, look, I wouldn't coaches me on stuff all
the time. I swear I call him in crisises and
I still will to this day, you know, so I
get it. But man, stay in touch, dude, And like

(01:21:42):
you know, we want all the CEC family to stay
in touch even if we never do another CEC event again,
Like we bonded with everybody there, like, so everybody there's
like family to us, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
Yeah, man, uh, I definitely gotta I gotta get in
contact with you one on one Joe, Like, I'm talking
to home and here and there, and I can't stress
enough how much help you know, both of you guys
have been so when I can remember to tune in
and catch you on the live streams in the while
since I've called in just because, like I was saying,

(01:22:17):
I just fucking get in my head and getting my
own way.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Oh dude, man, I'm the master of that. Trust me.
I should see my room right now. I'm the master
of it. But I don't give a shift. That's the difference.
Like I don't like but I'm but I do understand
the family thing. Dude, I get it. Trust me. I'm

(01:22:41):
one of those people that I can relate to that
because there's nothing more that I want in my heart
than just that happy family and that happy partner and
that happy home life. There's nothing. But I still struggle
with a bit of hedonism here and there because I
want to be Elvis too.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you could be a practical Heatonist. I
think that's possible. Yeah, it's a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Yeah, It's like I was saying on uh the other
stream in the chats, it's you know, you're saying hail Airius.
But I don't necessarily see myself as a discordium, but
so much as a conscientious centrarion, when someone that has
the ability to try their hardest to remain open and

(01:23:30):
plastic and flexible in my beliefs and why I do
hold uh in my mental space. It's just seems like
there's been some epoxy and the plastic lately and it's
gotten a little bit stiff. So I just I do
want to give you guys another thanks and really let

(01:23:52):
you both know how much the work that you're both
doing impacts me.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
Oh thanks, man, me, We both appreciate it for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
Thanks for your call too. Man, call back sometime.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
Yeah, brother, I will let a year go by between
this one and the next.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
All right, we'll talk to you, man, take care of
all right, good call man. I remember him.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
He's brilliant. He's brilliant. He is brilliant. Man. That's the
problem with smart people. We get in our way. You know,
I shouldn't refer to myself as smart. I'm really not
that smart. I read a lot because I need to
be smarter. But you know, people that think about stuff
and ask questions whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
It is a real battle the whole getting in your
head thing, and that's just it. You're exactly what we
got to get out of our heads. There's ways to
do it without drugs, by the bye.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Yeah, and dude, like coul it can turn into a
nightmare because if you get into your head, other people
will get into their head. And when there's no there's
no nobody in the room saying hey, that's enough. Like
let's just you know, like you have to be that
person in the room of your head like me, just
let's shut all this down. I don't care how many
demons are chirping at you. That's your kingdom. I know

(01:25:14):
it sounds egoish, but it really is your story. It's
your movie and your kingdom you have all think about.
Just imagine that you have even though it doesn't seem
this way, but you have all the resources at your
fingertips to get to where you want to go. You
just it doesn't seem that way, but it's there, you know,

(01:25:37):
it's really is there? What lack is there besides the
fact that eggs are ten bucks or great right now?

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
Yeah? No, it's and those things are always happening. I mean,
I'm myself to be clear, I'm looking for cracks in
the damn you know, ways to open it up and
gain some steam and moment them and you know, continue
to do better, you know, succeed whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
You're the fourth initiate, bro, I know, right, isn't that's
pretty dope?

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
Self self appointed?

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
So were they? When I will say, when you say
you're the fourth initiate, in my mind, like you did
exactly what they're doing. You took spiritual initiative on something
and did it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
Yeah, I claimed false authority just like every other guru
on the internet. You know what I'm saying, because it's
a fucking lie. It's a troll. No one has authority
over you. Authority is an illusion. But you know, unless
we're talking about spiritual stuff, then I'm the fourth initiate.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
So you're the fourth initiative only only there's only one
place I've seen authority be like a good thing, and
I wouldn't really call it authority. You know, personal authority
is a good thing. I think having personal authority over
yourself is a good thing. That's the Emperor card, right,
That's what that whole Emperor card means, is to have

(01:27:06):
authority over yourself. You give no one else control over
your mind. Nothing else controls your kingdom. There is no excuses,
it's your kingdom. You have authority over yourself. Like Guy
Ritchie is one of my favorite creators. Right You've created
Snatch and really cool you know movies, and he wrote that,
you know, one of his favorite things was is you.

(01:27:30):
You have the authority to everything about your life.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
Is you?

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Even the things that you think that are bringing you suffering.
You have the authority to allow how much it brings
you suffering on a level if you think about it,
you know, I would love a big breakfast though right now.
Give me, give me an example. I'd love a big
breakfast right now. I would love I haven't had any

(01:27:59):
money lately, and I'm used to when I lived in Daytona.
If I wanted a big breakfast, I just go get one.
Right Those days aren't happening right now. Things have shifted,
But I could. I have personal authority. If I really
really want a big breakfast, I can make it happen.
I promise you. If I really really want to go

(01:28:19):
out and get an extra twenty thirty bucks to go
sit down and eat a big breakfast, I could do it.
It just isn't important, or I'm letting other things in
my mind get in the way, you know, like victimhood
or whatever. I could make my whole fucking day an
adventure about that big breakfast Peter Pan style if I
want to. But instead we're spending most of our time

(01:28:45):
looking at all the boundaries, right, and how bad things are.
It's like that mentalism thing you're talking about, you know,
once you don't you think right, Like mentalism, it also
would be the barriers of my life that I'm putting
in my mind are also the barriers that are showing
up in my existence.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
Yeah, well, our mind is it's just our mind is
designed to keep us safe and protect our brain, right,
and so like it's just going to be like no,
don't no stop, you know, comfort safe, you know. But
once you break that open and you get out of
your head, you turn into a crazy Tasmanian devil version
of yourself that's completely unfiltered, that doesn't care. That's just themselves,

(01:29:33):
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
The Tasmanian devil love yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
It's just like you just totally take your mask off. Ultimately,
you know, if you can get into the if you
can get into a good state of mind emotionally. If
you can use the law of mentalism to put yourself
in a good vibration, then you will also transfer that
vibration onto other people. They'll pick it up off of

(01:29:57):
you emotionally, and then it's a lot easier to relate
to them.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
It's like the Beach Boys song good Vibrations. We all
know what that song means.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
I mean, dude, it seems woo woo or whatever, but
it's true. You can walk up to somebody and you
know how they feel. They're broadcasting how they feel. If
somebody's down or angry or happy, you can feel it,
then they can feel you too.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
What's up, Lucas, heyah, he says, man, I think you
should keep doing these books. I'm trying to do audio
books too.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
I did.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Anthony's books, you know, the Hunt Manual and stuff. It's
a lot of work, so I give it to you, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
But I mean, yeah, I mean, I'm honest to God,
I'm trying to put stuff out there that I think
could be helpful. You know, I'm hoping that it could
be because like that was one of those books. So
I'm working on I am working on doing a couple more,
and I'm just trying to figure out what to pick,
you know, because I want to work on, like I said,

(01:31:04):
stuff that I think will be helpful. And yeah, like
I said, I'm real proud of how this one turned out.
I thought I the production qualities, like I said, damn
near perfect. I've gotten a lot better as an engineer.
And then I think I did okay on the translation.
I mean I could have There's a lot of things

(01:31:24):
I could have done, and I don't know if they
would have been well.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
The one thing that I wonder about the Kabalian and
I want to ask you this is like, first off,
these rules are very observable, right, Like, you could observe
all of them to the point where you understand that
they're real. So does that mean you should use them
to your benefit, like to a point to where it

(01:31:53):
can become I think you could use anything to become evil.
I guess is what I'm trying to get at is
if you really understood the laws the way they are,
you could become a super villain if you wanted to.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
That's true, you could.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
I'm not saying that's what you should do, but you
could well.

Speaker 3 (01:32:08):
If you don't learn it, you don't have the ability
to choose whether or not, so it's not real. You're
not really actively choosing a path if you don't know
the material. So that's the first step, and then you
can decide for yourself if you want to be a
heel or if you want to be you know, because
there's heels out there. I can promise you I know

(01:32:29):
very well.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
But what does a heel mean? Like a super villain,
A villain.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
Yeah, that's the villain in the wrestling world, Okay, bad guy,
they turned heel or whatever. But if you don't ask
a manipulator of all things, I mean, yeah, yeah, you know.
Sultanasan says, there's a line that cuts through the heart
of every man, and we choose. But if you don't

(01:32:58):
have the information, you can't choose. You can't be conscious
if you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
Imagine that what he just said, right, This is why
we don't lie to people, right like we well, we
do lie to people all the time, but lying with
this hidden information, therefore, you take someone's choice, You take
someone's love away. That's why we don't like being lied to,
because it takes our choice away, it takes our love away.

(01:33:26):
Everything you're saying, dude, is so spot on the illusions
of authority and the illusions of these rules and laws.
Like I wonder sometimes if the Kabalian is the only laws.
Just that's it, right, Like that's the whole idea of
the book really on that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
I mean, are you gonna make a case for it?
You can certainly make a case for it, but I
mean there's so many I'm not a purist on any book.
You know, when reality transerving your balion whatever, I don't care,
doesn't matter to me. Like I said, I love that
Napoleon Hill outwitting the book. I think he does an
amazing job that whole idea of hypnotic rhythm. It's so

(01:34:06):
observable and real that it just it hits you like
a ton of bricks. The law of the environment that
he talks about, but he just classifies things in his way.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
But I think you know, they didn't release that book
for a long time, bro, because because he claimed that
he talked to the devil, and like, they wouldn't release
it until I guess way after he died or something.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
Right, Yeah, they didn't release it until twenty and eleven
after his wife died, So she wouldn't allow it to
be published while she was still living. He died a
long time before that. But it's really because he Land
based the church, organized religion, basically all authority structures in
that book as being the devil's little bitches, you know,

(01:34:56):
pretty much. He's like he even says the Devil even
says in the book to Napoleon Hill, if you print this,
it's like, I'm going to tell you all the answers.
But if you print this every I own all the newspapers,
I own all the media outlets. I'll destroy you. I'll
wreck your life. You'll have a reputation that you'll never

(01:35:21):
work again. You're done. It's actually the first book he wrote,
because he talks about he talks about in the book
how he was trying to get well, and maybe it
was the second book he wrote, because he had already
written Think and Grow Rich, or the first manuscript of it.
But he was trying to like shop that book and

(01:35:44):
get someone to publish it. And some weird thing happened
where he met this news editor, but a gangster saw
him leaving the office and tried to kill him. Killed
the editor, so he had to go like into West
Virginia for like months and months hiding from some outlaw
that thought he would trying to drop the dime on it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
It's like some weird law, right that as soon as
you start to become successful and original and successful and
original and think for yourself and get out inside the
hypnotic rhythm, this thing just there's this like hater raid
vibration that happens just that wants to take it out,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
Yeah, I was talking to Brandon Thomas about that today.
It's like you first start out in the universe, it's like,
oh yeah, what look at all these synchronicities. It's all
lining up perfectly just for you my suite, and then
you know, you hit that next layer and there's challenges
and that's it's frustrating because it makes you wanna it

(01:36:44):
makes you want to quit sometimes, But well.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
It did line up for you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
You just.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
There's you just have parts of yourself that affect the things.
Cause and effect is still a thing. You know, you
can have synchronicities still the cows come home, But there's
all these aspects of yourself that are still affecting all
kinds of other things You're not paying attention to because
you're focused on your manifestation at all times. You know,

(01:37:10):
you're a godhood, right yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
Anyways, uh yeah, we've got to roll out. Jess is
going to be on in a little bit, I think
top of the next hour. But dude, I have been
podcasting my ass off today. I streamed with wand you know,
we took out Destiny too. I got on your podcast
and you came online, like, bro, I'm happy. I'm happy

(01:37:37):
for you, man.

Speaker 3 (01:37:39):
I'm happy for you.

Speaker 4 (01:37:40):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:37:40):
I'm happy to be hanging out. It's great to hang
out with you. And yeah, man, I'm excited. Great things
are on the horizon. And just keep working, keep keep
moving through the challenges of good times. It's all. It's awesome.
It's about the network and it's great to be connected, man.

Speaker 1 (01:37:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
And can you tell everybody to where they can grab
the easiest place to grab the book that the fourth initiate.

Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
I think that if you go to any of the
audiobook platforms and just type in Bootsy Greenwood, then it'll
probably come up pretty quick on YouTube Bootsy Greenwood, on
my website Bootsygreenwood dot com, there's a store tab you
can grab it there and like it's free on YouTube

(01:38:27):
with ads, and then if you want to go to
patreon dot com slash Bootsygreenwood, then there is a version
without ads there that you can listen to free of ads.
And then if you submit a rating on any of
the public platforms by the end of the week here

(01:38:48):
in the next couple of days, and you shoot and
you shoot it over to me or a screenshot of it,
then I'll I'll be happy to hop on a call
with you. I'll do a goal attainment strategy session with
you for for free for thirty minutes. We'll knock it out.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
Whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
Let's fucking go. I'm trying to I love it. I
want to connect with people anyway as a good excuse
to do that. But yeah, let's bring me, bring bring
it to me, let's make it happen. Let's uh, let's
let's rock. But yeah, bootsy Greenwood dot com that's where
I'm at, Bootsy Greenwood on all the platforms. Please check
out the Kabalian and leave me a review. And yeah,

(01:39:30):
go to Patreon. That's where the information is for the
call link, the link or whatever calls I'm saying stuff.
I'm tired, I've been podcasting my ass off today too.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
Dot com. Thanks, I'm gonna check it out. We're gonna
go out here. We love you, Sweet dreams. Give them,
Give them a

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
Operations director.

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