The Sovereign Being And Mind W/ Luemas

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Man, I really I don't knowthe reason why I go live is because
I got so much stuff that I'mdoing that I just I canna get lazy,
brother, And if I go live, it's not really laziness. It
just I don't have to like cutup a bunch of video unless I totally
something happens there of the live video. So I already have a recording of
the podcast in the video. Thatall I got to do is just cut

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up the podcast. Good. Youknow the audio? Well, that's good
going live up like you get calledun this yeah sometimes yeah, yeah,
I'm fu. That's more fun.You know, you totally open the phone
lines up if you want, man, and just shoot it. I just
want to get you know, likepar the deal coming on the station is

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is promotion. You know you gottasome people don't even know you exist still,
But I've didn't like to do yourshow off. But it sounds the
way it's growing. It's grown.Yeah, it's been slow grow. I
don't promote like a lot of peopledo I need to promote more of them.
I just have time to do it. That's about it. I probably

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could you Seve Colosal shiit bro Ilike I like you just how you talk
about stuff for the years. Youknow, it's you pretty much talking about
all kinds of stuff. Maw thatI like your training thought about it.
And this is kind of where Iwant goost tonight. Like people people need
to like get a little bit tomugherwith their emotional and mental psychological fear right

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Like people are getting just trampled on. So it's like we have a big
fat narcissistic governments, you know atthe very yeah, that's it, but
it's like, uh, people gotI don't know, like people like starting

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to figure about what happened during COVIDand it's just all that was pretty like
ac separate and it's just crazy,Like I can't believe he went through all
that, you know. Yeah,people everybody that did you know was with
uh was fall before it got awaywith Yeah, and yeah that's the idea.

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I forget about it and then somethingelse happened and then we're back to
that again when we're out ahead ofthe place. So I need to get
you off the air in like fifteentwo, is that what you're saying or
A now, Uh yeah, soI got four O seven. I'm like,
fun, they got to play fourand forty five. But yeah,

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I like to do a longer oneof those, just starting this time to
go me there when you're ready.Oh you'll know. The first turned off
to music on your I don't know. You're okay. Here we all turn

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like something about the situation. Allright, here we go. Okay,

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Say in your mind, say toyourself, I am more than my physical
body. Because I am more thanphysical matter, I can perceive that which
is greater than the physical world.I deeply desire to expand, to experience,

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to know, to understand, tocontrol who use such greater energies and
energy systems as may be beneficial andconstructive me into those who follow me.

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I deeply desire the help and cooperation, the assistance, the understanding of those
individuals whose wisdom, development, andthe experience are equal to are greater than

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my own. I ask their guidanceand protection from any influence or any source
that might provide me with less thanmy stated desires. You as reality,

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and treat me better. Sailors andconsciousness. We come well. Cut,

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you're lighting the vid all broadcasting alivefrom a shack on a hill at the
Mossy Creek bottoms of King Creek,Arkansas. This is Lighting the Void live
here on the Fringe f M,and we're also on YouTube, Twitch,
and I'm trying to get on Umble. I put in the credentials. Maybe
it's lagging or something. I didthe video yesterday and it wasn't live on

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Rumble, and then I got onthere today and the video popped up.
So I don't know if I'm onthere or not. But if you're listening,
Karmo, maybe you could tell me, because I know you're over there
before. The calling number for tonight'sfive on one, triple seven fifty six
thirty one. We're gonna jump rightinto this because our guests time is very

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precious today. And I've been tryingto get this guy on the show for
a while and his name is Loomisand he does a show called chan It
Down Radio and it airs on theFringe FM on Wednesdays as well. You
can go to his website at chanitdownradiodot com. And I really really like
this guy because he talks about alot and when it comes to how we

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should be thinking, so he itto me and I don't want to put
words in your mouth. Brother.By the way, thanks for coming on
finally getting to have you on there. It's cool to have you on the
show. Man, Hey, thanksfor having me on. I appreciate it
so well. I listened to yourshow. I liked your show because and
I was saying this the other day, like I watched this detective thing right

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where this guy was being just thatall of the evidence shown that he was
not at a crime scene basically,and you could listen to the detectives just
manipulate this guy into where he wasalmost and this is a grown man,
right crying, right, Maybe you'reright. Maybe I was there committing to
a crime he knows he didn't do. And it makes you wonder, like

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that are about our mental state andhow weak we are when it's you know,
it's like we avoid conflict at allcosts, you know. And I
can tell that that's something that reallybothers you too, you know, Yeah,
I do. I do. Iget annoyed by people, well,
and mainly I get annoyed by theworld not being looking at the causal factors
of what's going on instead of justand just looking at the symptoms. And

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you know, I like to getto the bottom of things on my show
and really look at things that wecan make solutions about as well, but
just like really taking a deeper lookat just about everything because a lot of
people just aren't thinking about where thingscome from and why the why things are
the way they are. And sothat it's kind of what I've been doing

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on my show for a long time, amongst many other things. But yeah,
yeah, thanks for that. Iappreciate you having this that what inspired
you is like, man, Iwant to talk to people and just tell
them like you don't have to,you know, just take it in the
teeth man, right, Like,is that what you were thinking when you
started the broadcast. Well, it'skind of a long story, but like

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my build up to doing a podcaststarting in twenty thirteen is really just a
bunch of different events that happened tome. It brought me to the truth
to where I didn't go looking forthis, but it came to me.
So like back in nineteen ninety nine, I met a I was randomly roommates

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with a much older guy who washigh up in the USDA, and he
kind of just explained how the worldworked to me. He told me how
we live in a compartmentalized society andyou know, we don't choose our leaders.
And you know, he went througheverything. It's almost like I sat
down with like someone like David Dikeor somebody that was really, you know,

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highly researched. I didn't know thequestion to ask this guy. But
basically one thing that was the kickerfor me is he told me something big
was going to happen once they getGeorge W. Bush In and Little bush
He said, you watch something.He told me something's going to happen.
Well, you know, I didn'tknow him much after ninety nine this guy

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left my life. I was justkind of a kid still, you know,
just partying and doing my thing.But then you know, all this
information circulating in my head and thennine to eleven happens two years later,
and I was like, oh,this is that thing that guy was talking
about, and all this started tolike make sense and all these synchronicities that
happened to me. Uh and tothe point where I started needing to speak

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the truth to people. And althoughit didn't work with my immediate family and
friends, I still didn't stop.You know. You know how that goes
is you can't really just tell thepeople around you. Those are like the
hardest people to really get to tellthat get to know this stuff, but
more different, a lot of differentsynchronicities happened. I met another insider in

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two thousand and eight and he toldme a lot about Kim trails and things
like that, and this was justanother random situation that popped into my life.
And he left me with he said, you know, there's a good
few he didn't call him podcasters backthen, radio shows that you should check

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out. And I was like,okay, so you just had me check
out Freeman who friends for a whilewe love Yeah, yeah, yeah Freeman.
So then I got I was like, wow, this guy was a
lot of good stuff, and thatkind of helped furnish my perspective and I
got to know people on what wasOracle Broadcasting. I went on Bob Tuskin's
show in like twenty eleven, andthen you know, there was just too

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much coming out of me, LikeI was like ready to explode all this
research and like what the hell amI doing all this for? So in
twenty thirteen, long story short,I decided I needed to put it somewhere.
I'm just gonna do my own show. So that's that's what I did
in twenty thirteen. So it's like, if I didn't start speaking this truth
and making use of it somewhere,it was just useless. And it came

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to me without me looking for it. So I figured I must be meant
to speak all this to people.And you know, I've I checked it
out, researched it. All thisstuff is true. It's just people don't
want to accept it. So that'swhen I started doing in yeah, twenty
thirteen, and been doing it since. I feel like the censorship. I
could be wrong. I hope I'mright, but I feel like the censorship

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is lifted a little bit since alittle bit since like Rogan and a couple
other people really stood their ground onfighting some of this stuff. You know,
Like I don't know if it wasthe right way. I wish it
would have happened sooner, but like, yeah, I mean he's even told

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people, look, I'll pay youto come on and debate some of these
people. You know, I justwant the truth. And anytime you just
want the truth or just want totalk about it, it's they just seems
like people want to shut you up. And I think that happens. I
think we're kind of trained like thatindividually, right, And I was talking
about this yesterday or I think itwas yesterday, where if you tell you're

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someone your truth or if you havea genuine, authentic question, you know,
you just start getting gas lit likecrazy, or there's all kinds of
social engineered stuff to happen. Andit's to me, it's just crazy how
fast a crowd can just go withthe flow without even doing their research,
you know, but yeah, thecrowd mind. Yeah, man, Like

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I don't. I don't understand it. I guess it's just that I hope
some people say, well, it'shuman nature. I don't want to believe
that, man, I really don't. Like, Oh, I don't think
it is. I I think it'sprogrammed nature. I think it's it's socially
programmed by social engineers and and youcan you can see it. It's it's

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we're programmable humans, Like that's whatwe are. And so I mean,
we're kind of a blank slate.It just depends on how you're raised.
So I think if you took someonethat was raised in like one of these
uncontacted tribes out in the middle ofPapua New Guinea or the Amazon or somewhere
in Africa. They they'd be atotally different human being because they haven't had

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media control them. They haven't hadall this shit in their food. Sorry
I don't, yeah that stuff intheir food and water. You know,
they'd be totally different human beings withtotally different train of thought. And so
I I just think that humans areprogrammable and they're easily programmed, and our
controllers know that, and they knowwhere to bring us to at the right

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events to make the fear instinct comeout of us, and they know how
to manipulate it. They have theplaybook on us. And that's that's what's
happening. Yeah, karma, Michellesaid. Jim Morrison conducted many social engineering
experiments on his crowd and just provedit. Facebook did it. Facebook did

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it, and they came out andsaid it later. We did social experiments
to see if we could change narratives, right, and everybody's like, oh,
really, it's cool, you know, And it's like that's not cool,
you know, like why are yousaying, oh cool, Well,
it's Facebook. We can't do anythingabout it. It's like you, I
understand people get overwhelmed because of howyou know, how big certain things are.

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But it's just like any other bullyor guide to poker table with all
the chips man, you got tosit in there and fight, you can't.
I have more respect for that thanjust someone saying, well, that's
just how it is. I'm doingnothing, you know. Yeah, I
think that's the defeatist the defeatist stattitude out there is. Really it's really
bad. Actually, I mean there, I don't know. So we got

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to live our lives, so there'sa balance. There's one side, well,
okay, we got to do regularlife because it's you know, we
got to maintain some of that anyway. But then the other side of it
is like we're being played constantly andwe're just going to sit back and let
this happen to us. It's justlike, I don't I don't see why
more people aren't more proactive. ButI guess to fluoride's working really well and

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everything else is working really well.I don't know. That's just I'm surprised
when COVID happened, Especially when COVIDhappened, I was actually more disappointed in
humanity that I thought there. Humanitywas smarter than that. But I was
enough to ask questions, right,like you know what I mean, don't
even if you believe in like oneperson believes that, like there was all

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kinds of stuff right, like thevirus is real. The virus isn't real.
It's real, but it was madeand these are to me, it's
like, okay, well, theseare all good questions. Like the first
thing that happened was a division happened, and you could see it happening immediately,
Like it's just like the bully inthe school yard. If you don't
take everybody take my side and pointyour finger at that guy, you know

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what I'm saying, And like,so it's not hard to stand up to
a Rogan showed people how to doit. Everybody should have did it then,
though, you know, yeah,well I can see this happening.
And I think it's intelligence agencies thatmess with the alternative media too in a
way and put out division because likewith nine to eleven, there was no

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plain people and the plain people andyou know, they they want us all
arguing about the semantics of all thesethings rather than like coming together and looking
at the bigger picture of it.Yeah, we can argue about all these
little details about no virus or virustill the cows come home. But then
like what then we're just you know, we got nowhere. So and I've

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been turned off by that more recentdays about the alternative media and how many
details people are stuck on about,and that even goes into like the eupology
too, like are they aliens?Are they demons? You get all these
people, Oh no, they don'texist. And you know, there's all
these different people trying to say allthese different things, but not just looking

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at what is happening, you know, And I get frustrated with that myself.
And also another thing that frustrates me, and I'm sure it frustrates you
as well, is no nuance thinking. Everybody's kind of just black or white
one way or the other. Andit's almost no different than the left right
paradigm in some ways, like youknow, the way people are looking at
things, it's just another way theirminds stuck in. Oh it was there

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was no planes on nine to eleven, or there's you know, just all
these little arguing points and we neverget anywhere. Yeah, I think I
think a lot of it has todo with what you said before. There's
a in my opinion, like there'sa narrative that where you're taught or evolution
in biology and you're this way becauseof evolution in biology, and morality is
subjective, and then it's like okay, well that kind of weakens everybody.

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Number one. And then you knowwhen people say, well, yeah,
like we're not programmable, we wereborn this way. No. I mean,
if you go into the studies ofyou know, epiogenics and all this
stuff, it factually shows biologically andpsychologically we are one hundred percent programmable.

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We're just programmable, period, youknow, yeah, exactly, Yeah,
the new science even shows it.So there's an agreement between science and the
so called tenfoil half people right there, you know, right right right,
I mean, and there is objectivetruth and that's and I think there's a
lot of people that are still stuckand like, oh, you know that

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you can't define truth. It's actuallyyou can just like you know, there's
dirt on the ground, that's truth. You know, there's grass growing out
of the dirt. Yeah, Imean life truth is that truth is actually
really simple. It's just people complicatethings more than anything, yeah, for
sure. And then that's is thatsomething that you kind of stay on or

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do you get into a little bitmore of a culture thing or like,
what do you mean by you?Well, first, before you going down
that road, what's the biggest frustrationabout your apology to you? Is it
because people are just asking questions thatyou think are relevant right now? Uh?
No, my biggest Uh let's seewhat do I what first mean to

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I guess you've with upology. Whatfrustrates me the most is, I guess
argue factions. Just like with otherthings too. I think, I mean,
I want to get to the truthand it's a hard thing to get
to the truth about because we're talkingabout things that we have to kind of
fill in the blanks here. Butsure, I guess what frustrates me actually

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this is I mean, I mightbe offending people out there, but okay,
it first rates me the most inmodern times about ufology is the flat
Earth people, because they completely arelike trying to say that we're the only
planet in existence in the stars andplanets are like lights in the sky and

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it's just like there's no space,you know. And I've I've done shows
with some other people about the debunkingof the whole space is fake thing,
because you know, and you justhave to do a little more research.
And this flat earth thing, tome is a sigh up in the truth
community. Thank you. Yeah,I think. I mean, everything in

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nature creates a sphere like everything,so everything in nature that it's observable infinitely
and finitely as it grows, whateverit does connect, it creates a sphere.
But you're going to tell me theplace that we're here is Lego Land,
right right, That's what you're goingto tell me. And I don't
have to look into the well,what is this coming up on the horizon

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or do the math on this,and then I think it. I think
it. I honestly think it's anaddiction to an intellectual stimulation that they enjoy.
That's what I think. Yeah.And it's attached to uh, I
guess it's attached to religion too.I mean, and I don't I don't
have a problem with the Bible oranything, but I just think that people

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are trying to make out that inthe beginning, the beginning in Genesis,
they're talking about the firmament being thislike layer that's above our heads and nothing
can escape. I don't think that'swhat it's saying at all. And I
mean there's there's a lot of roomfor interpretation. But yeah, I just
think it's a big sigh oup becauseI remember, I've been around long enough

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to see there's a lot of cohesivenessin the community of truth and stuff,
and then when twenty four happened,sorry, twenty fourteen happened. Around that
time, I noticed a shift andlike a line that like an argument in
the truth community. And ever sincethen, it's been kind of fracknic starting

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for you. Yeah, yeah,I feel like it did. Yeah,
And although I think the ufology doesneed there is some you know, Charlatans
and people that spread a lot ofbullshit in it too, and those people
need to be vetted and stuff aswell. But it's like there's just a
big fracture in the truth seeking community. Since around there, I just started

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to notice more people trying to arguewith me about things like ufology, and
I heard more stuff online about itaround twenty fourteen, and I think I've
talked to other people and they kindof agree with me. Around there,
you know, I think there wasa documentary by Eric Dubey put out around
that time about flat Earth, andthat really got people going on that tangent

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I just I totally think that is. I wonder if some that not maybe
not a sciu, but if itwas somebody that was like, I'm going
to start the craziest rumor you've everand just see what happens and just sit
back and watch it trickle away,you know. I mean, I mean,
it could could have been something likethat, but I don't really I

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have. I think I've had oneperson maybe on the show and talked about
flat earth. But it's like youcan tell when you get into the debates
and arguments about it, that Istart to feel like you're addicted to this
thing, right, addicted to itbecause they're so hardcore about it, you
know. It becomes like Ali,it's like a religion, you know.

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And I've even lost friends through itin this community where now yeah, where
they like now think that way andI don't. So I'm like, yeah,
so I see it as Hey,if you're going to make a division
in uh otherwise was a pretty solidcommunity. At least I thought, there's
that's a perfect one to do it. And it makes us look stupid that

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talk about any the real truth informationbecause I go, oh, and I
bet you believe the earth is flattoo, you know, some normally talking
you know, it's like then weget nowhere, you know. So that's
how I feel about it. AndI've done a lot of travel on this
planet. Luckily I'm not a richguy or anything, but I I save
up and travel and I've visited alot of ancient sites because I'm interested in

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that stuff. But I've nearly flowna circle on this planet, and I
easily could have. And I'm like, okay, this, how does this
fit on a flat Earth model?You know? And I mean it doesn't.
So anyway, I don't mean toget on a flatter at It's fine
about what's happened to ufology, goingback to that, because there's some there

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was some great things going on thereand then all of a sudden flat Earth
comes in there. And then someonelike you or me talking about ufology gets
like like uh, you know,basically like what are you pestered by flat
earther? Is you know, emailingme these like threats? Even I'm like,
what, the space is not real? Yeah, that's what I get

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all the time. It's not real. I'm like, here we go,
you know, yeah, I meanbecause people faked pictures. Okay, well,
or or there's some edited video thatthey found. Well, there's edited
videos in all kinds of other thingsthat have nothing to do with space,
from other different organizations, programs,even your local church. But no one
says, well, they're hiding something, you know, like maybe they did

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need to cover up some kind ofsomething that was I don't know what did
we call it when I worked atVerizon's it's a phrase that you can't let
people see certain things because it's privateinformation, so they don't get docked or
things like that. You know.Well, yeah, and I think if
anything, more likely they're covering upwhat's really going on up there, if

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anything, if they're not going toshow us, you know, exactly what's
up. Yeah, that's it doesn'tmean it's it's fake. Now. The
moon landing's a whole other discussion forsure for me. But like it doesn't
mean all of space is fake andthe Earth is flat. And that's when
I think we were talking about likethat black and white nuance or whatever,

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you know, Yeah, lack ofnuance, you know, like because oh,
if since space is fake, theEarth must be flat. That kind
of thinking, it's just like whoa, Like, how do you get there?
Just like that and just dismiss.There's so much to dismiss it with
the flat earther's dismiss and they reallyneed to take another look at you know,
it's best to put it all through. Like I looked at it.

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I didn't just dismiss it right away. I entertained it. I'm like,
okay, well let's see what happensif we start. So I put all
the information gather gather it as muchas I could put it through the filter,
and I realized, wait a minute, this isn't nah, this isn't
adding up, and it's still Istill, you know, I give it
a chance at least, but alot of these people aren't giving anything else

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a chance. It's like you said, it's like this belief system that they
have out there. Now, doyou do your show just totally? Do
you have guests on? Because I'vebeen I know you've had guests on,
but my favorite shows that you've done. I remember I was walking down the
street and like bfe Florida, likecentral Florida where there's nothing around, and
I was bored, and I waslike, well, I'm going to listen

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to Loomis's show. And I listenedto that stuff all night and a lot
of it was just you talking.You know. Yeah, I have guests
on cause I live in Hawaii.I think that it's hard to get guests
on our time zones are harder,so yeah, and I like to keep
my feed going, so if Ican't get a guest on, oh well

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I'll just do a solo. Ido too, Yeah, yeah, I
mean it's hard to line up,as you know. We've been trying to
get this going for a few weeksand it just works that way. And
sometimes I'm like, uh, youknow, I don't want to mess with
a you know, trying to schedulepeople forever, so and make a big
blank space in where my fans are, you know, wanting to hear a

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news show, So I'll just putout a solo. And you know,
it seems to work that way too. Yeah. Yeah, I liked hearing,
so I like hearing that stuff sometimes. And yeah, because you can
you at that point in time,you really get to know a person's thoughts
too, because there's no pressure tolike to do the interview, so you
can really hear what someone's thinking downto their core about stuff. And again,

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I know you got to go herein like ten minutes and we're going
to get back. I can tomainly pee hall after that Loomis leaves.
But one of the biggest things Ireally wanted to tell everybody about with you
is that is the strength of thementality that you have that I admire in
people. But I also think itshould be natural, Like I think it's

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been taken away from us too,you know, like, yeah, it
shouldn't. It shouldn't be something thatI really admire the fact that you can
stand up for yourself, right Likewe should all do that, you know
what I'm saying, but and thinkfor yourself right like, But it's not
I'm not saying people don't. Itjust seems like this with the whole COVID

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thing, for sure, showed methat we can just we just go along
with whatever because we don't want theconflict or the change or the discomfort,
you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, I think people are afraid
to be outside the crowd mind.And I can understand it because it goes
back to like probably tribal things whereyou don't want to be ousted by the

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tribe kind of thing. But Idon't know, I've always been kind of
a soloist as far as like earlyon, how I even met that.
In nineteen ninety nine, I metthat insiders because I broke off from doing
what normal people do. I decidedinstead I want to do what I want
to do and not do a job. So I got fired from the job.

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Yeah, it's great, you getfired from a job. I had
unemployment and I used credit cards,which wasn't wise, but you know whatever,
I floated my boat for a whileand did what I wanted to do,
and I learned more about the worldand myself than in that amount of
time than I really ever have since, just because I had free time not
to focus on a job like youdid. So it's just something really valuable

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about that. But when you getI think, when you get comfortable in
yourself and you know the truth andthere's then you just become you're not afraid
to be outside the tribe, andyou realize that a lot of people are
just pro anyway. They might benice, they might be great people,
but they're still programmed and they're abit crazy and or totally crazy in some
cases, and you just have torealize that and it's not you. Yeah,

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for sure, I took the samementality when I started seeing the slave
thing and I started seeing the moneysystem as it really is, and I
was like, well, you know, this is really if you provide value,
you get compensated for it. Sowhy am I programmed to think that
I have to give somebody forty hoursof something I hate doing or more for

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the lowest pay I can possibly have, or if I don't do that,
I'm going to be homeless, ormy life's going to be ruined or everything's
going to go to hell. Andit just didn't turn out that way at
all, because it turns out wehave all kinds of things that are valuable
to people other than working for majorcorporations, you know. Yes, yeah,

(32:55):
and when you get out on yourown, it's scary. But some
that's where synchronicity comes in. That'swhere like, unique things happen to you
that would never happen to you inthe work world, you know. And
and just the example of me meetingtwo insider kind of people is because I

(33:16):
didn't live in the normal pattern ofgoing to work every day, coming home,
watching TV, taking care of thekids, that kind of thing.
I didn't do that, I thinkbecause I didn't do that I found new
patterns and ways of life on thisplanet. And also it also diffuses the
fear that you have. I mean, it's scary when you go out on

(33:38):
a limb, but you realize thatyou can be caught and you're not going
to fall, and you're not goingto die, and you're not going to
be a homeless bum on the streetbecause you're not self loathing. You're you
can be if you're self loathing andyou just go down a spiral. Definitely,
but it's totally your choice, right, Like you don't have to be
you don't have to be exactly.Yeah, So I mean you can do

(34:00):
it. And when I wandered aroundfor a long time, I continue to
see, you know, random thingsthat I would never see in my life.
Like the following year, I sawUFO kind of up close and that
changed my life again forever. Soit's just like I wouldn't have done that,
hadn't I had I been doing regularlife. And that's the thing is

(34:21):
regular people don't experience much outside thesystem, and so because they don't,
they end up just becoming disbelievers,institutionalized almost right in a sense, Yeah,
Stockholm syndrome in a sense, like, I'm not gonna lie to you.
There's been hard times, you knowrecently, Like there's been hard times

(34:44):
doing this stuff what I do,like even really hard times. But man,
I still felt more miserable working becauseI wasn't free, you know,
Like I just to me, it'slike you got to put it. You
put in the work in if youprovide value. If you don't get if

(35:05):
you don't get something for it,then you need to provide do something different
and provide value. Have you everread that book like The War of Art
by Stephen Pressfield. No, that'sa great I've never heard that book is
so great. It was like itchanged my whole viewpoint on work. Right,
Like I thought work was go towork. That's what I thought work
was. I go to a placeand I go to a place and I

(35:30):
work, and that's where my valueis. And I need to rise up
through the ranks or go to schooland learn something so I can get paid
a little bit more. And ifI make one hundred thousand dollars a year
or more, then I'm middle classor high society. I'm not a loser.
Right. That was the whole program, and that book changed it because

(35:52):
he was like, you know,if you you end up doing actually more
work for what you really want todo with you know, yeah, yeah,
that sounds like a good book.I just pulled it up right here.
Maybe I should just grab it off. Sometimes way more work for way
less pay. But you learn somuch about yourself and sure and your failures.
Like if you go to work andyou fail at work, you're like,

(36:14):
okay, whatever, I'll just fixit, and it doesn't really mean
anything to you. You just don'twant to get fired. But if you
do what you love and you fail, it means a lot to you,
and you really learn something not onlyabout yourself but whatever craft that you're doing
too. You know. Well yeah, and if you think about like what

(36:35):
some people did during the lockdowns,they actually there was a whole slew of
new podcasts that came out during thattime because people had time and people didn't
want to go back to work.And I think a lot of people kind
of still held on to what theycould with their stimulus money and tried to
not go back to work because theyand more people realize that. So yeah,

(37:00):
I think that if you just havesome time away from work, which
we all did, and if youuse it right, You can really like,
you can invent something way better thanjust going somewhere it is to you
know, make the wage. Yeah, and so much of that is mental
too, And I think that's anotherthing that I forgot I should have mentioned

(37:20):
at the beginning is one of thethings I really related to you is about
is your mentality about this whole thingis kind of like mine. Because some
people when like, they'll they'll dowhat they love doing, or they'll try
something and it's like this weird scurve thing that happens. So they see
this big dream, my whole lifecan be different, and they go to

(37:43):
do the work. And once theygo to do the work, they get
up the hill and they realize,oh man, there's something hard about this,
or there's something that I didn't knowI had to do that's not so
fun. It's not fun, orI don't know about this, And instead
of grinding that out or making asacrifice or whatever, they just either go
back to work or let's try somethingnew. And then they go back up

(38:04):
that wave again and the same thinghappens. You know what, You know
what I'm saying, Yeah it makessense. Yeah, yeah, Well I
admire what you're doing too. Imean, you're you're sticking with something you
love to do and it feels likeit's the right thing to do. And
that's why I've done my show forso long. It's the right thing to
do. Sometimes I'm like, amI really spending my time right this?

(38:27):
My inner thoughts going, like soreally to keep this podcast going? I
mean, because it does take upa lot of time, But I'm like,
you know what, it it's theright thing to do it because,
yeah, I would love to ifit supported my whole life, but it's
okay because it gives me that thingto vent out to the world and people

(38:49):
relate as well as just it's like, once you know the truth, what's
good? What's good about keeping itinside you? It's just you're not doing
You're doing yourself a disservice, Ithink. So sure, Yeah, that's
right. I've always I kept ondoing this. I mean, even if
it's you know, not really floatingmy boat. But I don't, you
know, I don't care. It'slike, it's just it's what needs to

(39:09):
happen and what needs to be done. It's the great work that needs to
be done. Yeah, it becomesyour work. Yeah, I highly recommend
reading that book or get the audiobookand listen to it. Yeah, because
already on my I already googled yep, I got it right here, so
I check it out because I've Ireally think that people should listen to your
show if they like this kind ofmentality, you know, just any show

(39:30):
that helps you become a stronger personand question things a little bit more,
because like, there's a thousand peoplethat can put on great presentations and still
tell you a bunch of stuff thatit's absolutely crap or it's not it's not
true, and their presentations are sogreat and their charisma is so good that
it's really easy to go yeah,you know, you're probably right, but

(39:53):
yeah, you know what I'm saying. You know, but I could go
into that all day long. Iknow you got to schedule to keep here,
man, so I won't keep you. But if you want to plug
anything right now would be the time. And thanks for coming on, brother.
Oh yeah, well yeah, thanksfor grabbing me on bro. Appreciate
it. Yeah, I'm Lmison.Yes, my show chan It Down podcast
is on any podcast player out there. I do if you'd like to support

(40:19):
the show a bit more, Ihave a Patreon show called Afterthoughts, and
I am currently making a documentary rightnow which is including a lot of footage
from all these ancient sites around theworld and putting together with some good truth
speakers. And yeah, that's prettymuch what I do. I do have
an Instagram account you can find methere, chan it down, and a

(40:43):
Telegram account under the same name.I don't do a lot of social media,
and that's probably why some people havenever heard of me, because I
just I don't have time to selfpromote. I really only have time to
do some podcast but it's ongoing andI get guests on there all kinds of
subject matter. Chat it down radiodot com is the website where you can

(41:04):
kind of really check it out,especially my mini series of shows. You
can check out all the different subjectmatter because really, this this information as
we went all over the place,is covers all kinds of different avenues,
so it has to be all covered, at least in my opinion. So
and he's really interactive too, likeI noticed that you really you interact with
your audience or answer their questions asmuch as possible and tell him thank you

(41:28):
and stuff, and yeah, peoplelove that. So yeah. I'll do
a live stream when I can,and I try to take callers and as
well as anyone wants to email me, they can at people beyond This at
gmail dot com. Right on,all right, I appreciate I have to
get you on my show and we'llkeep doing some stuff. Right on,

(41:50):
man, we'll do it again.Thanks for coming on on us. Thank
you you take care brother, allright, Okay, there goes Loomis.
Y'all. Yeah,

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