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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In nineteen twenty six, Carter G. Woodson gave us Black
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He is credited with twenty eight other inventions, but as
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Speaker 3 (02:29):
Banyang's all right, Ben, you were starting with, welcome to
like it or not go ahead and.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Do that, all right, welcome to like it or not,
where we're free to tell the.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Truth and not care who doesn't like it.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Right here, on Wednesday, April twenty third, Ben, you were
talking about that amazing app which is the Black Harry
Day app. My goodness, and you put that together. Now
I have the blessing to be a part of that
beautiful app. But for the people who didn't catch the commercial,

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tell us a little bit about it.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
About the app, I'm sorry you got me in the
middle of piece of vice.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yes, the one from listen.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
It's three hundred and sixty six days every morning at
five o'clock Eastern stent of time. You get a notification
I do because I do right, And you get a
narration from our historian, our griot. I love the way
he's telling the stories. Doctor Carl Mack, who's on your screen?
Someone says, when is nat a And the audience said,

(03:32):
when is doctor Mack coming back on the show. You
know what, Doctor Mack would jump on any time. You know,
we just we just invite him and he'll be here.
But in the meantime, he's put together this app and
it is so rich. The history is so rich. It's
so many stories that you have never heard of, so
many people you've never heard of, their work, their contribution.

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And this is just one of four calendars that he
has that documents I mean, oh thousands at this point
of contributions of black people. I mean from black women
in history to black sports in history. But my favorite,

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and there's the one that's coming out soon, is Black
Contributions in Film, Science, Technology, engineer and Mathematics three hundred
and sixty six days. And you will simply not believe
how much black people contributed to every aspect of this country,
including and especially science and technology. I'm looking forward to

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for that one to drop soon. But in the meantime,
go to your app store, go to your Google play store,
and download the Black Heritage Day app.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Now, please do, please do. I'm glad that I'm a
part of it. I love that your children are a
part of it. That was such a beautiful thing. Let
me see why this lighting is so off on the camera.
I apologize everybody, I promise you, we all goot, but no,
let me get that in order real quick. Just get
the lighting and order on the camera and I'll be
right back. But your children are a part of it.

(05:07):
Let's run that commercial back or the short version, because
I did play the short version that I was tagged in,
and I heard my voice.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Oh, oh, the one you want, the one uh Jada
my wife put out on her page hang out.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
I loved it. I said, that's me, that's me and
my Rasky boys. I heard me.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Matter of fact, David, if you go to Instagram, I'll
see if I can find the link while we do it.
But no, it's it's been a moment. Yeah, do your thing.
It's it's been a doctor mac has has. I don't
know if people understand how important and how powerful history
is right for for this current moment. And uh, David,

(05:50):
I don't know. As I'm filibustering, I'm realizing I can't
even get to Instagram on uh my computer, So i'mna
have to find another way to get that to you.
But that's said here, I'm just gonna text my wife, uh,
please send me the link to the video of the
kids in the commercial. And I guess what's crazy is

(06:11):
what's even crazier is I have it on my desktop
because I made it. So what am I talking about here?
Let me just tell them.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Why are you acting like a boomer.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Because I listen, my mind is structured on just showing up.
It's never when I saw you the show, I don't
show up to do work. I showed up to participate.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
Which is work?

Speaker 5 (06:36):
Though?

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Which is which is? You know? My mind is not on.
I haven't hosted a show. If you notice, I hadn't
hosted a show in about four years. I've been off
the grid. There it is run that one David through
the Black Heritage Day app download today on Google Play
or the Apple App Store.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
Sirih Low was fun.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
He was born on this Hi.

Speaker 6 (07:01):
This is Jeremi John h.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
But today let us not forget our death to to something.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
That you know.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
Your McMillan was born on this day in nineteen oh four.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Marshall Major Taylor was born in Indianapolis, Indiana, on there.

Speaker 7 (07:17):
On this day.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Eighteen Ben Ben, that's that's that is your baby talking
at the end.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
All three, yeah, no, all three of those. I know.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
I know the kids you're.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Talking about the age wise, I didn't you didn't believe
you hear how deep voice is?

Speaker 3 (07:37):
That's a grown man for one k they've taken away
from people.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, I haven't pushed him around. I have to bully
him because he's taller than me.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Now you told me, you told me you're like, I
could still hit you in your throat.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Look, I don't know if I can reach his throat anymore,
but I can reach his chest. It is uh, it's it's.
I had an experience to have a child who looms
over you, but ain't nothing but a thing. I've dealt
with that my whole life. So I put them in
this place too. Now I'm joking, it's all good, no,
but I'm loving everybody. Do us a favor, though, Go

(08:11):
to your Google App Store for real and your Google
Play Store, your Apple App store, in your Google Play store,
I'm really boomer in this morning, and download that app
and show doctor maximumve.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
We can't be doing them people like that. My daddy's
boom on can't be doing him later that. But yet
this is exactly because whatever is equivalent to that for millennials,
that's where I am. Because if you think I'm doing
a whole bunch of things that I'm not doing that
you expect me to do or whatever, dance move to.
I'm still in twenty fifteen. I don't feel like I'm
not upgrading my phone.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Not at these prices.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Nope, still riding the same vehicle. I don't care to
live where it's aesthetically please. Even though my home is
aesthetical pleasing, I don't care to live where it's aesthetically
pleasing for the city and pay ninety nine thousand dollars.
I'd rather live somewhere else. Pay two dollars. Okay, even
though that's not the case. Right now, we all paying something.

(09:06):
Somebody posted this, and here we go. We're gonna get
right into a lot of things that's been happening, because
a lot of things have been happening. Somebody posted this
recently and said, not, you're getting your.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Blaze already, Like, well, let's go in.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Then was like about, okay, it's just the light ain't
catching me today.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
I don't know what why.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
It's my window.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
We got sunshine and rain. But yes, uh. I saw
somebody post that people from.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
McDonald's, people that are at McDonald's, people who work at
McDonald's should be able to.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
Afford rent food.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Why is that such a take in America that makes
people crazy? Why is it when we talk about, hey,
because you are working a job, you should be able
to sustain your basic living needs, pay for your basic
living needs, feed your children, take care of your animals,

(10:14):
pay your light bil They are like, hell no, no,
you shouldn't be able to do that. McDonald's. The kind
of job is that it's a job. Yes, right, it's
a job. And it's the same job where they are
available when you want to roll around at eleven pm
or six am to get your coffee before work. They're

(10:35):
the ones that are allowing you to get that food
and that whatever you need at McDonald's. And just because
you're going to a corporate job that pays you whatever,
they're working the same hours as you.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Maybe more sometimes Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Everybody from whatever job they're working should be able to
sustain a living. And America, I'm realizing, has made it
so that, no, if you're not at a certain level.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
You have to struggle.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
You got to cross burning sands sometimes until you get
to this level or for the rest of your life
because you are not there, because you're not working at
some weirdo corporate job that's taking your whole entire life.
Because you me being recently fired from a corporate.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Because of my work.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
And I just got this one after the other one
fire me because of my work.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
They don't care.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
They don't care, and to hush you up, they'll offer
you something and say, don't speak about it again, don't
speak of us, don't say our names, don't do anything,
and that ain't enough for you to live. But they're saying,
at least you're getting something.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
You know, that's a great place to start this morning, Rebecca,
because that's at the core of it. That the core
of it is you have a nation of people who
have been brainwashed and indoctrinated to literally not just focus
on getting their own bag, which I think the obsession

(12:15):
with getting the bag is a huge problem, but they
found a way to make it even more disgusting. It's
I want to get the bag, and I want to
make sure that they don't, that they not only not
get the bag, but they can't even afford food, they
can't afford rent, that they can't go see a doctor,
that they can't go see a dentist. Because if they

(12:35):
can get any little decent thing in life, it makes
my bag not as glamorous as it could be. If
I could be the king of the world and everyone
else be my servant, that's where we.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Are, Yeah, they are showing us this even in this
administration right now.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
I don't know if you've heard.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
And I actually just got the news myself, and that
was with our student loans. We didn't ask for any
type of so student loans. Before I get to my soliloquy,
student loans under this administration, which is Donald Trump's administration
have now they said by May fifth, they're gonna start

(13:19):
putting us back into be forced to pay it. So
the Biden administration that had these different particular programs to
either clear them. So whoever was cleared, you made it
through that, but there's other programs that we're able to
have you defer or however for so much long, different
programs that Biden administration did for us, even though we
all ain't get them loans clear. But you know some

(13:41):
people did. I just have to say that, don't. Donald
Trump said, no, you gonna pay these loans back. I
May fifth, we're gonna start reporting y'all behind to the
credit bureaus or or the collection agencies will start calling
you to pay if you guys recall at some point
in twenty twelve, I can tell y'all story I didn't have.

(14:03):
I was straight out of college. Nobody told me nothing
about nothing. There were vultures, financial votures from these financial institutions,
these big name financial institutions that would park themselves. Now
I'm pretty sure you guys heard me say this story
a million times, that will park themselves over at the universities.
So when their parents were dropping them off, they would
wait for the first week, two weeks, then they will

(14:24):
be These people would park themselves at the universities and
offer seventeen year olds, eighteen year olds, first year students,
first week students, first month students at the universities who
didn't have the money, who were coming from struggling, struggling backgrounds,
they would offer them a.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
Credit card to help pay for their courses.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
I took one of those credit cards to pay off
my little brother's first year of college, to to stay
myself for food when I was in my first year
at FAMU, And I'm grateful because my dad paid what
he could pay, But there were so many other expenses
that were coming out of nowhere I didn't know anything about.

(15:02):
And so when they did that to me, that was
a loan on top of the loans that we got
from FASPA, on top of those. So when I got
out of school, I wasn't at a school two days.
They reached out to me. They reached out to my mom.
That was before there was a law that was put
in place for collection agencies and things like that. But

(15:23):
they reach out to me, to reach out to my mom,
they threatened to sue me, and at that time I
was a barely twenty one, barely they threatened to sue me,
served me papers, and at that time they used languages
as we can take you to jail, because somewhere in
that loan you become legally.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
Like bound to this thing.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
But as a seventeen year old looking to go to school,
because that's what America tells you, you gotta do. You gotta
go to school, you gotta go to college. But after
you get out of college, you get a good job.
But that good job will help you pay back these loans.
And now you can't even afford to live because you
got to pay back these loans somebody put And then
you gotta get certificates to upgrade yourself for the new

(16:08):
systems available, for what's catching up with the kids and
all this other stuff. But I say, this is the
same he said, you. And we know how collection departments
agencies are right now, right now. They're even during the pandemic,
they weren't getting no money because they couldn't collect. So
what they started to do was open up old debts

(16:30):
that were charged off and things like that. They were
opening up Oh that's buying them back and now calling
people up for debt that's twenty years old. Remember I too,
because I don't know why I keep happening to me,
the Lord, but remember when it happened to me and
they came.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
In my account, took everything.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Y'all.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
Recall when I was talking about that.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, yeah, so wait, wait, was that was that student
loans that did that?

Speaker 4 (16:54):
It was this was not the student loans, this was
the credit card.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Well, basically a student loan. I was a student.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
I took a loan for school. Want to pay my
brother's college off. And but you don't get I'm gonna
tell you. They can teach us but so much in
high school they're teaching us all this white history, but
they ain't teaching us. My teacher at the time, mister Days,
who was the Florida A and M graduate that you know,
pushed me to go to Florida, A and M. He
was trying to get us understand the rich dad, poor

(17:24):
dad in a way to help us when we got
on campus. But we weren't grasping that this was a
this was the last few but our last few months
in high school. And he was trying to really get
us to understand finances because I can't lie. He was
really like, it's they're gonna try to get you, guys,
every which way. They really are, They really are. They're
gonna make you think that you have to always be

(17:46):
in survival mode, struggling, and only a certain amount of
people can do, say be because of their financial status,
and it's not fair. So you live your life thinking
you're never gonna get to somewhere and this is all
that you can be.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
I remember my mom. I ain't gonna hold y'all love
my mom and to death.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
But she there are things that we couldn't do, so
she had to use my information to get things from
the household.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
Yeah, you know, and this.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Social this credit system and not social security, the credit
score and all those things. We know, once the credit
your stuff go to credit, your credit score get hit,
you know, once your credit card get hit. They tell
you you're worthless. You can't get no home, so you
gotta keep renting.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
You can't get no car, but you need a car
to go where you gotta go. So you're gonna get this.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Buy here, pay here, not knowing that you're spending way
more on this. Buy here, pay here, because they will
not qualify you, although you may have the money for
a vehicle in a loan process that makes more sense.
But then they'll say, you know what, we got a
good loan for you. We'll put you right here for
this five thousand dollars car. All you gotta do is pay.
By the end of the loan, you have done paid

(19:02):
twenty five thousand dollars just for you.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
To be able to drive this off the lot.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Oh all day, all day long, and they get you
where they get you is not even It's almost that bad.
If you have a bad credit score and go to
a regular car dealership, it's just as bad. They get
you all the way to the end and say, okay,
I need you to sign this, and they show you
what you're actually gonna pay for that car over time,
and you be like, oh my god, but you end

(19:27):
up having to do it anyway because you need to get.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
To work.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
And you don't have and you don't have the money
to just drive it off the lot, even though it's
a three thousand dollars cars, even though it's a five
thousand dollars car, and they note perked it up, shined
it up. But everything inside that hood don't work.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Come on now, come on, come on.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
So I say that to say, I'll tell you even
how they sell it to us. You can only afford this,
but will make you pay for it for life.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
You can only afford this.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Keep you financially illiterate, so that you will think that
this is this circle. This is gonna be like you know,
the people that's on them loans. You know, all of
us raise our hands that got student loans. And you know,
once that thing hits our credit score, that people have
probably been working on and that are a good place
right now and on May fifth, once that hits them

(20:20):
credit companies, and they're going to hound you. And then
they're gonna say your credit score is gonna drop, and
you'll be like, no, it's not leave me alone. Then
they'd be like that push that thing in early. Then
your credit card scored and dropped three hundred points. They
do not care all because you decided to pay for school,
we ain't got the money to pay it back. Who
in their right mind got one hundred thousand dollars, Who

(20:42):
inever mind got twenty thousand dollars? Who like to do
that on a normal day instead of they're gonna push
away their basic needs to pay.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
You know what's education? You know what's beautiful about this moment? Though,
let me tell you what's beautiful. They don't have any
idea exactly how radicalized people really are. It's gonna start
off really nice and pleasant and calm by most of
us not paying them a penny I'm advocating for. If
you want up another the next boycott, boycott your student loans.

(21:16):
Let them hit your credit score. You know why, because
everything else hitting your credit score, everything, all the prices
are going up, rents going up. Anyway, they gonna charge
you exorbitant interest on everything anyway. Don't let them intimidate you.
Let them well now except out here if they got to.
If you got a kind of job that's gonna turn
your information over to the government, they will start garnishing
your wages. Now. I got to tell you that if

(21:37):
you in that situation.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
But if you ask me, because they don't, I'd be like, lord,
am I am I the example that you're trying.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
I don't want to be the example down here on earth.
I want to be a person. I'd be like, dang,
that's crazy. I want to be the person that say
that to somebody. Well it happened to me.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
If you're living off the grid though, you know. But
what's gonna happen, though, is is that people aren't going
to be able to pay it. So it's going to
be its own boycott people. When a person is going
to have to choose between paying their student loans back
and feeding their kids, they are going to feed their kids,

(22:22):
and when those checks started getting garnished, that's when it's
going to not be pleasant anymore. That's when you're gonna
have millions of Americans who are like ready to fight,
ready to rise up, and ready to take action in
a very direct, kinetic action kind of way. Because you're
taking food out of the mouths of their children, you're

(22:43):
taking medication out of the lives of individuals like they
really are playing with a powder keg here. And the
reason it's even more of a power keg is because
everyone sees how much of a money grab this entire
administration is. They see how much, how many billions of
dollars that Donald Trump is making. Right now, they see

(23:05):
that Marjorie Taylor Green has gone from being a broke,
dirty foot to being a pretty rich one. Right She's
she's worth more I think what twenty two million dollars
now she started off being worth less than like one
hundred thousand. Right when people see this happening and then
they realize, my goodness, they just garnished my check and
I can't even pay rent. Yeah, they're gonna have a

(23:27):
problem on their hands.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Absolutely, But that's already been happening, that story right there,
It's been happening before Donald Trump administration. America has always
had an issue when it came to the loan process,
how they give it up and force people to pay
for it. But right now I think there was you know,
little laws that have been placed where we can continue
to some people to furlough for not for low there's

(23:49):
a name for it. Push it back, push it back,
push it back, defer, you know, continue to defer until
you can pay it, you know that, or until you
get to a place where they've cleared it twenty five
years or whatever that number is. However, I think right now,
while he's going to force people, people who've been working

(24:11):
on their credit, people have been trying to get houses,
they're really not going to do anything. We're gonna start
seeing an exodus. We're gonna start seeing lots of that
out of America. And they're gonna and the Trump administration
is gonna think that they won because the bad people
are leaving, because that's what they're gonna name them, mark
my words. Uh. And then the hit is gonna start coming.

(24:34):
Where there's no growth financially or economically. There's gonna be
no growth within people in the population. Uh, there's no
growth in my battery life. But what I do know
is that we have a clip about what could possibly
be happening when it comes to this new loan law
that Donald Trump has for education.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
Here, let's take a look.

Speaker 6 (25:00):
President Donald Trump has not been timid about his desire
to dismantle the Department of Education.

Speaker 5 (25:05):
You go around Washington, you see all these buildings in
the Department of Education. We want to move education back
to the States where it belongs.

Speaker 6 (25:12):
But with the Department gone, what would happen to your
student loans in the Oval Office. On March sixth, Trump
was asked what department or agency would handle student loans
if the Department of Education was dismantled. Trump told reporters
that he doesn't believe student loans should be run under
the Department of Education and will likely instead end up

(25:33):
being run by a Treasury department, a Small Business Administration,
or the Commerce Department. Trump said he hoped specifically for
the SBA to take a hold of the student loan process,
which he says Kelly Loafer, a Republican and the new
administrator of the SBA, has already expressed interest in and
in appearance on News Nation Live, new Secretary of Education
Linda McMahon said that she believed student loans and grants

(25:55):
might be best served in another department, echoing comments made
by Trump.

Speaker 8 (25:59):
Some of that and then comes by appropriations from Congress,
and that money will continue to flow into the States.
Tell grants student loans might best be served in another department,
and we're looking as to where that could best be handled.

Speaker 6 (26:12):
But experts doubt that the SBA would be able to
handle forty million new borrowers. A more likely choice to
take over the over one point six trillion dollars outstanding
federal student loan balance would be the Treasure Department.

Speaker 9 (26:25):
I think the Department of Treasury makes the most sense here.
You know, keep finances where finances lie. It makes a
lot of sense to me. The Department in and of
itself is this compilation of different agency services that were
sort of existing under the realm of having some sort
of relationship with education and childwill being But again, the

(26:45):
Department of Treasury is the place that makes the most
sense if we're talking about removing the federal loan oversight
that the Department of Education currently has.

Speaker 6 (26:56):
Activists who advocate for student loan borrowers, including the Student
borrow Or Protection Center, worry that borrower is already struggling
with massive wait times and uncertainty. This will only add
to the chaos. Experts also say that rather than the
Department of Education, the biggest uncertainty with student loans lie
at the courts, with Fight and Safe Program and other
income driven repayment plans making their way through the court system,

(27:18):
and many experts wonder how Trump's actions will impact affordability
promises that you ran on, especially as student loans typically
allow for more affordable access to higher education.

Speaker 9 (27:28):
America has an inequality problem, and it's gotten worse and
worse over time. And one of the few areas for
avenues through which we can think about addressing that inequality
problem has been the education system. It's been thinking about
ways to make our k through GOVE education systems better
at supporting students with different types of needs that are

(27:48):
coming into our schools with different types of disadvantages. And
it's been the place where we've thought about creating more
opportunity through access to our higher education system. And so
if the Department of Education goes away and or if
the capacity of the Department of Education is significantly weakened, well,
this raises serious questions as to whether or not we
will be back on pace to reach an equitable society. Right, Like,

(28:14):
what's the pathway to equality if we're not investing in
an agency that is committed to advancing opportunity through education.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
That's the only other option. Is what Parker just said
in the chat room that enrolling in school here it is.
I'll put it back on the screen and rolling back
in school part time for online classes is not a
terrible idea. For folks who need to get a deferment.
It's not ideal, but better than you're losing your wages.
And I say do that as soon as you can,

(28:45):
because as soon as they start seeing us doing that,
they're going to change the law and prevent us from
being able to do that. The entire goal is to
break the United States of America. The entire goal is
to make sure that you cannot afford to live and
so that you become desperate. If you cannot afford to
live and you're desperate, you do not have the capacity

(29:05):
to organize against the powerful, and that gives them room
to do anything that they want to do. They want
us as serf they would prefer us as slaves. But
if they could just keep us as serfs and shareholders,
that's what they would do. And so they're not only
doing that with education, they're going to make sure that
they make as many of us as sick as possible.

(29:26):
With what they're doing with the Food and Drug Administration.
They're literally coming to harm, actively harm, kill and destroy
their devils. That's what they are.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
No, they're definitely evil, and I think they've putted out
a lot of great things. You're taking away the Department
of Education and you're letting it be run by the
Small Business.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
Whatever association whatever.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
The SPA is still small business because I used to
work with small business accounts when I or the the
whole small business department, when I was working for a
financial institution that was standingau be mean and I did
all of that, and knowing that how that place was ran,
Imagine how imagine the way that they would run that

(30:19):
when it comes to seventeen eighteen year old nineteen year
olds going to get loans for education and the way
that they would handle you as a child. They're saying
that you going to school is a business, my friend.
We signed it in blood. We didn't know we were
signing it in blood at that time. Now they're openly

(30:39):
telling you sign your life away with us.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
We will just get a little bit of education here.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
It's a business.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
It's not really education, it's not really you're probably not
even really going to get a job, but.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
It's it's a business, my friend.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
So for us to give you a coin, sign name
and blood, we're coming after you. Just they're now they're
saying it out loud. Before it was the encouraging I
have not heard any encouragement of going to school. I
know this is this conversation online about black men not
being encouraged to go to school anymore, which I believe
that's the whole thing. Mean, if y'all want to get here,

(31:17):
that whole conversation Donal Lee and friends, we had this
whole breakdown about that. However, I know that's literally systemic
for especially who gets the most loans in this country,
who goes to school and has to do the loan
processing has to do. And I want to say the
loan most loans are the most expensive ones because our

(31:37):
parents ain't got it Black folk, and so when they
put us in a position where we are locked in
and then we can't pay it back, but we think
that we're going to get a job opportunity to pay
it back. Yet diversity, equity inclusion is being hitting black
volk and now credit scores is down, can't get no

(31:58):
homes Black vote.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
And they go one step further. They're making it almost
impossible to rent. Right. It's bad enough to have to
rent when your rent is more far more expensive than
your mortgage it would be, but they're making it so
much more difficult to even rent. They want us on
the streets, homeless and desperate and uneducated.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
They do not want you to have any education whatsoever.
So the more that they can undo, the more that
they can take away from black people. Right now, there
is any race you're going on. You see all the stuff.
Somebody say that it's all part of the playbook, Na Shaquette.
I hope I'm saying that right, Nakaquet. It is all
part of the playbook for sure. And I know I
sound like back in the day, I would be sound

(32:44):
like some conspiracy theorists, some who do whatever, trying to
say that this is no, this is actually a part
of the playbook.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
We have to remember that it's all aligned.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
This is yeah, they're hitting education and they're tying it
to the small business people instead. And they were moving
the education department because we used to benefit from that,
even though we were still at the bottom of the list.
We used to at least be able to get a
loan to go to school, to go get an education.

(33:14):
And now they're like, we're gonna have these people over
here who are known to be loan sharks, who are
known to hit you up, who are on to threaten
to take away your home, your mom's home, your grandmother's home.
That's how the small business people work. We're gonna take
assets away from you. We're gonna take away from you.
On top of that, if you can't go to school,
you can't learn. They're hitting HBCUs, they're suing HBCUs. Right,

(33:39):
they're doing all of these things because they don't want
us to learn. They don't want us to come up.
They don't want us to get housing. They don't want
us to build communities. They don't want us to be
financially stable. They do not want us to have knowledge,
especially knowledge that highlights the truth about American history. They
don't want us so, like you said, they want us
to be out in the streets. They want us to

(34:01):
die early. They don't want us to have knowledge about
our health either.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Right, they're trying it. They are trying it, And my
confidence is in the fact that we see it, we
know it, we're discussing it, and people are all making

(34:27):
as many plans as they can to protect themselves as
much as they can, which gives us a unique advantage.
In history. It feels depressing to see the cycle of
history come back over and over and over again, where
you get monsters in power who are willing to literally
kill their population. Right, this is what MAGA is willing
to do. They're willing to kill as many of us.

(34:50):
They will do it with the military if they have to.
They will do it with the police if they have to.
But if they can get away with it by making
sure our milk is poison, that our water is not
that our air is not breatheable, that we don't have
access to healthcare, if they can do it the slow way,
they'll certainly do it that way. But the only thing
that's really encouraging in this moment is that person after

(35:13):
person after person, by the thousands we see on TikTok,
we see on Instagram, we see on YouTube like the
and Twitter, people are aware and people are calling it
out precisely, people are organizing. Now, how impactful and how
effective can it be against the United States government? We're

(35:34):
going to see, right, We're going to see exactly how
resilient Americans really are when their government actually turns on them.
Because we have a government in power with the express
intention of eliminating as many human beings as they can.
So if all they have is a body, that all
you could do is sit in your bed because you've

(35:57):
got long COVID. You can't move, you can't go out,
you can't work, and all you could do is plug
into somebody's video game and just keep yourself busy all day.
That's what they will want. Even further than that, they
don't even want you to have access to the Internet.
They don't want you to have access to a home.
They want you on the street, desperate so that they
can do whatever they want to do with you. Those

(36:19):
are the demons that are.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
In power, absolutely, and the more that they can function
like that with you, we're never going to grow. It
stunts our growth, destabilizes us here continuously and keep us divided.
I see that those things a lot on top of
how they want control. Look how they're controlling simply in

(36:42):
front of our faces. Again, there's nothing that's being hidden anymore.
They don't even need to hide it behind Project twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
They do not care.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
They have shown us how they can flex their disrespectful,
you know, xenophobic, racist, white supremacist muscles.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
Yeah right, that.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Knows how KKK will always forever be and never recognize
as a hate growl. They've showed us that Nazis, and
the Nazi playbook is exactly what they want to go by.
Truth doesn't matter, and neither does due process, even though

(37:25):
I never believed in due process here in America, for
any minority groups, due process doesn't mean anything. Just like
the immigrants or people who are American born or whatever
that have been shipped off and told they don't need
to come back.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
There was one guy I think out in Florida.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Who was taken away, young boy and his mama had
to present his paperwork ice in order for him to
come on back. The other man, I think it's the
Maryland guy, the guy out of Maryland who.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Is still Garciago Garcia.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Wit him people, and the I think the Prime Minister
or the President. I don't know, but the leader out
said that basically came out and said, listen, y'all, it's
out of my hands.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
I ain't the one calling the shots for real.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Mm hmm. That that m Bukeley, President Bukelly of El Salvador.
He's nothing more than a fancy little fascist, little delicate,
little prissy fascist who fancies himself to be a philosopher king.
But he really is pulled me out of it. Rebecca

(38:39):
I don't have after that.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
He's the devil, he is double to your pastor yes
he is a devil, he is the spawn right of
the devil. And I really want people to understand when
these evils align, these these leaders who are very evil,
and they form this alliance that is super powerful. Unfortunately,

(39:05):
I know we want to say they ain't powerful, they
can't do nothing.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
They have been they are.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
When we can realize and call it thing a thing,
I think we can move forward. We don't want to
stay right there and what's not the truth?

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Right?

Speaker 3 (39:19):
So basically having this man who has no evidence of
him being a part of him as thirteen for real,
no evidence of he's just really a father, I believe,
I think, a husband, living, working all the things right,
and then a citizen. And they're saying, well, we had

(39:41):
the opportunity, but then we decided not to move on it.
So in between time and in the meantime they've come
up with other rules with Donald Trump himself and basically
saying buk Lee said, we getting paid the whole this man,
we getting paid the whole other people and that's all
it is. We're not bringing he doesn't have to there's

(40:03):
no ruling the Supreme Courts ain't like said. Look, this
is why Donald Trump. See again, it's all in, it's
all aligned. Remember when he done gathered up before he
left office the first time, his own Supreme Court made
sure that they was all just about somebody. That's his people,

(40:26):
people that would help him in the favor because he
knew what was coming. Now look where we're at and
the disrespectful plans that he has, they can back him.
But thank god, we got a couple of people who
are in the Supreme Court who are striking down and
preventing go ahead.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Even but this is how fascistic Donald Trump really is.
Even in the Kilmar Abrigo Garcia case, the Supreme Court
ruled nine to zero unanimously. I mean you even had
Clarence Thomas, who opposed Donald Trump, owned this saying y'all
have to return this man, and Donald Trump said no, right,

(41:04):
And so we are facing a constitutional crisis. But here
here again I got to give I'm not saying this
to give people hope, but there's hope in this is
that they're so stupid, Rebecca, Donald Trump is so and
it's not just stupid, it's the Huberts and the arrogance
they're doing all of this in the first one hundred days.
He's made an enemy of the Supreme Court in the

(41:26):
first one hundred days. So he's already having a back
off of his tariffs everywhere, including China. In the first
he starts a trade war and then has to back
off of it in the first one hundred days. There
was one professor, one scholar who said, the thing that
we have to worry about the most is if Donald
Trump takes his time and does it right. This is

(41:50):
the exact opposite of what he did. And so because
he has already made a complete crap show of the
entirety of the United States of America, there is a chance.
It might be a chance in hell, but it's a
chance that we can actually survive this because of how
arrogantly they ran through a speed run of fascism in

(42:12):
less than one hundred days.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
Absolutely I can agree with that.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Do I feel hopeful, Not because I'm in a bad
place or anything, But we all got to be on
one accord with that to be able to move forward,
or it'll be just you and your home might go
just be as for me and my house. Type of
vibes but we need for as for us in this nation,
as for us as a people, as that's.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
What we really really need. But yeah, even Clarence.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
This is the thing with even Clarence, because look, even Clarence,
with him even voting for the right side of things,
it turns around and shows you that Donald Trump and
his administration does not care. We've seen them time and
time again, look at the law and say, f off,
I'm doing my own thing where him and Elon Musk

(42:59):
because we haven't seen Vance much.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
But when he killed the pope this week.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
That's what so that would happen.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
He was the last person to meet with them and everybody.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
To mind you, I had just come off, you know,
I was at the doing the Lord's business for Eastern
So when I got online I saw that, I'm like,
oh my god, did he kill the pope?

Speaker 4 (43:20):
I'm like, god, the satire? I didn't know a dang child.
So that was the first thing I did see. Look me,
did he really do it?

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Man? But they said he didn't kill the pope, He
just drained the pope's life will to live?

Speaker 4 (43:31):
It's them eyes. Come on, you ever seen Vance eyes?

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Hey, listen, he knows how they took them, eyes turned
like Dracula.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Have you seen the movie Centers yet? I heard that
there's some similars crazy.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
I'm gonna lookt I'm gonna look at it.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
I'm gonna definitely take a look at it.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Due But anyway, I say that that these people don't
care about none of that. They don't care if there
are people on their team that are like, y'all go
on a little so far they like, hold my beer, okay.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Because we can go further, we go further.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
We ain't going further.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
No, we gotta get up in there. And that's the problem.
They are not scared of authority. They authority doesn't mean
anything to them. Rules, laws do not mean anything to them.
Due process means nothing to them. But as soon as
they get it wrong, all of a sudden, due process works,
all of a sudden, you know, they got to follow

(44:27):
the rules.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
There are rules here in America. All of a sudden.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
This person has family, this person has friends, They've been
raised a certain kind of way.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Look, Look look what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Look how they look to how they treat these people
as if they are This is.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
In Hugh, Maine.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
So the senator, Senator Chris van Hollend did go and
meet out there, fly out there and meet with them,
interview with them.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
I don't know if you have a clip.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Oh, we do, because I'm reading the.

Speaker 7 (44:55):
Run overnight proof of life. Maryland Senator Chris van Holland
posting this picture of his meeting with Kilmar Abrego Garcia,
the L Salvador migrant mistakenly deported last month to a
notorious prison in that country and not seen since. My

(45:15):
main goal of this trip was to meet with kil
Van Holland wrote, from El Salvador tonight, I had that chance.
I have called his wife Jennifer, to pass along a
message of love. El Salvador's president mocking the meeting with
his own post, writing sarcastically that our Brego Garcia has
quote miraculously risen from the death camps and torture, now
sipping margaritas with the Democratic lawmaker, neither official providing information

(45:39):
on how the meeting came about. El Salvador's president, also
writing quote, now that he's been confirmed healthy, he gets
the honor of staying in El Salvador's custody. The White House,
citing local Maryland police reports, claims Abrego Garcia was a
member of the violent MS thirteen gang, which his family denies.
He has no criminal convictions in either country. The White

(46:00):
House press team overnight posting that Van Holland has quote
established Democrats as the party whose top priority is the
welfare of an illegal alien MS thirteen terrorist. He's an
illegal alien and a member of what has been designated
as a foreign terrorist organization. Despite a Supreme Court order
for the White House to quote facilitate a Brego Garcia's
return to the US, the Trump administration has no plans

(46:23):
to do so.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Well, I'm not involved in it.

Speaker 8 (46:25):
I'm going to respond by saying, you'll have to speak
to the lawyers.

Speaker 7 (46:29):
A federal court Thursday denying the White House's latest appeal
and insisting they quote take all steps to facilitate a
Brego Garcia's return, further stating that the government's unwillingness should
be shocking not only to judges but to the intuitive
sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Dear, I want.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
To go over to Garcia's lawyer. Let's take a listen
to what Garcia's lawyer is saying. And mind you, this
is straight from his lawyer. Legal team, legal system. But again,
Donald Trump does not. It'll apply for Donald Trump. But
let's take a listen.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
I can't wait for these people to get their come up,
and oh my.

Speaker 10 (47:07):
Goodness, I'll take each one of those in turn convicted.
He's not been convicted of anything. Mister Abrego Garcia arrived
here in twenty eleven as a sixteen year old fleeing
the gangs himself, who had threatened to kill him if
he didn't join them. He, like many thousands of youth
that left El Salvador in that period, came to the
United States seeking safety, and for the last fourteen years

(47:30):
has not gotten into any serious trouble with the law
at all.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
He's been convicted of nothing.

Speaker 10 (47:36):
But what happened is in twenty nineteen, he was looking
for day labor outside of a home depot in Maryland
and local cops arrested him and three other men there.
Those local cops interrogated him, demanded to know whether he
was connected to a gang. He denied it continuously, and
then a local police detective wrote on a gang worksheet
that a confidential informant had allegedly claimed that this guy

(47:58):
was a member of a gang, a part of MS
thirteen that operated in Long Island. Mister Abrigo Garcia has
never lived in Long Island, and he said this is ridiculous.
And when his lawyers in twenty nineteen tried to reach
back out to the police to talk to the detective
and say, hey, why did you put this down here,
they found out that the detective had been suspended and
the local police didn't even have a record of his arrest.

(48:20):
So that is the only evidence that the government has
ever offered that he is connected to MS thirteen. And
despite that arrest, which did not lead to charges, he
has never been charged or convicted of a crime once
in his life. He also did win protection in twenty nineteen.
That arrest led to him being sent to iceed attention.

(48:41):
He was locked in iced attention for almost a year,
and at the end a judge granted him a protection
known as withholding of removal that said, you are more
likely than not to be persecuted if sent to El Salvador.
So the one thing the government cannot do is deport
ne to El Salvador. And that's exactly what happened on
March fifteenth.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Wow, you see that two process? It never works. It
doesn't work, It won't work when it's actually supposed to work.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
I think that they will sit.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Here on their high horse, and this is the control,
This is the dictatorship. This is the example that they
want to make. They've constantly been and especially when it
comes to immigration policies. Here they're choosing groups of people.
They will bring back. The stereotypes that America already had
about people, they will bring them back. And now we're

(49:36):
starting to see them bleed through in policy right, and
policy that isn't even really policy, and executive orders and
conversations and verbiage and dog whistling, will start to see
it come out in that way. So when it comes
to the MS or thirteen thing, like our producer David said,
he said, he fled from he being Garcia fled from

(49:57):
the nol Savador because of the local gang, not even
as thirteen, but was bothering his family's local business. Right,
so he may know about these games just like everybody
else does, but he fled because of that, and there's
no ties now playing it so safe. He has a family,
a wife, of children, a house, just all the things.
Been working in this country, paying taxes, going to school,

(50:20):
came here at sixteen and they want to remove any
American ties from him and immediately stamp MS thirteen. When
they were interviewing about this, then people had nothing sayme.
They said, well, I said it so.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Right, and y'all could trust I. See this one one
of the reasons why I went so hard after black
folks who were supporting these immigration raids. Use stupid negroes.
You see this white supremacist gestapo called ICE, and you
gonna cheer them on because you want to blame immigrants
for the problems in your community that were there and

(51:00):
have been there since before any immigrants ever moved into
our communities. So you're gonna turn around and then start
supporting ICE. You completely shiftless and moronic negroes. Ice must
be stopped and abolished. People need to confront ICE. But

(51:20):
you know why because if they're out there without a badge,
they're out there without any identification, and they're just snatching
people off the streets. How do you even know their ice?
How do you know you're not just being snatched up
by some clansmen? And how do you believe that they're
going to stop with just immigrants? And why is it
okay to you that they do this to immigrants. That's

(51:43):
a problem in and of it self, which takes me
with what I want to say about book. Bookayley is
making the clearest case of why we must never treat
criminals this way. I don't care who's a part of
its thirteen. Lock them up, but you still have to

(52:04):
treat them like human beings because if you don't, when
you treat a criminal like they are not human, it
always creeps over to the rest of the population. And
who is it going to hit first? The least of
these is going to hit the immigrants first, Then it's
going to happen to hit the black folks next. And
so we can't look at somebody and say, oh, well,

(52:24):
we're going to support him because he wasn't MS thirteen. No,
you need to support all of them, even if they
are MS at thirteen. Doesn't mean they got to get free,
but it certainly means that you don't send them to
a prison internment camp where they got in the backfield.
You saw the satellite images where it looks like they
just out there literally killing people. Are you okay with that?

(52:46):
Because they're MS thirteen, that's just as problematic.

Speaker 5 (52:50):
I just want to pull this up real quick because
I didn't want to skip over it. So just for
really important detail. After the whole meeting and every thing,
someone on Trump's team decided that it was really really
I don't know, smooth to try to identify that his
tattoos somehow coded MS thirteen marijuana, smiley face, cross.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
And skull.

Speaker 5 (53:16):
But so they put these up there basically trying to
decode the legend. I just wanted to show what other
people have been sharing as actual MS thirteen tattoos that
look absolutely nothing, specifically this one. They actually tattoo MS

(53:36):
thirteen on their hands. They don't tattoo symbols that could
be that signify it.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
And why would marijuana smiley face?

Speaker 3 (53:45):
And I'm like they, I'm pretty sure for them with
with with them what they're they're putting up with these conspiracies. Also,
there are leaders, the national leaders who are going there
putting on like whatever ice outfits or like bulletproof vest
and taking photo ops with the prisoners just out there

(54:09):
whole like and saying like we we rallying them up.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
This is what we're doing.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
And now let's go back to in January or was
it February when they did the asmr of chains and
all the.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
Stuff of immigrants.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
I will never because this is what they want you
to see. They want to use it as some kind
This is soothing to see people who don't even belong,
but who fit a description by what they look like,
or we presume them to be, or because of where
they're from, we'll throw them over there too. We don't
need anybody that might just be even though they're not,

(54:45):
and nothing shows us that they're not, but because they're Haitian,
but because they're from, because they're whatever. We don't want
to take any chances when the real threat is right
here in the America, and that is Donald Trump. That
is the white KKK members, That is the white supremacists.

(55:08):
That are the people who refuse to acknowledge that there
are black and brown people who contribute and contribute every
single day to the growth of this nation. Those are
the problematic people. Those are the ones that are gun
happy and shooting up grocery stores and schools and children.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
It's not the drag queens, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
To say, it's the white psychopaths. Mostly, it's the police
officers who are shooting down the children.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
It's those are the problems.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
It's the Karens that are falsely reporting things about people
who are not.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
White. It's all of that. They're the real issues.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Not the people that keep their head downs in this
country trying to maintain a job, maintain a home maintained
and a family, maintain consistent pay, maintain jobs that American
white American people specifically do not want and will not take.
Those are the real threats. It's not mister Garcia. It's

(56:18):
not Haitian who are coming here in growing cities like Springfield, Ohio.
It's not people who are on the humanitarian program pro
program who are just trying to get by because their
country isn't turmoil. It doesn't make them hate their country.
But it also doesn't make them enemies of this country.
But this country, America has always been anti immigrant. And

(56:41):
I've said this before, I say it a million times
until I can't breathe.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
No Mo.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
America has always been anti immigrant, and especially when the
immigrant is brown, but more specifically and especially especially especially
when that immigrant is black.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Always see their creatre creating a condition. Here's the calamity
of the moment and the confusion. They're creating a condition
where some of I don't doubt that some of these
men who are in this prison in El Salvador, who
are actually a part of MS thirteen, are some pretty
nefarious devils themselves. The stuff they do is the kind

(57:23):
of stuff that you need to get off the streets.
All right, I want to preface with that, But they're
creating a condition where now even the worst criminals in
our hemisphere just you know, just raw violence, you know,
notwithstanding the American Empire, notwithstanding white collar crime, notwithstanding all
the stuff that America does and eat, right, but I'm

(57:44):
just talking about like just the raw violence that we see.
They're creating a condition where these people need to be liberated.
These people need to be set free from this like
they don't. They should not be treated like this. They
should not be paraded out like this and treated like
this and for like show like cattle, like their slaves,
like they just come out in here, let's parade around

(58:05):
and show how cruel that we could be to people
who deserve to be locked up. But now y'all are
really setting the standard where these individuals have been treated
so horrifically that they are going to be due actual liberation.
And I'm talking beyond just liberation. In the course I'm
talking like like divine liberation. Some of these people about

(58:28):
to get set free. And what do you do with that?
Because some of them need to be in jail. Some
of them need to stay locked up.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
No, not only did then these like they need to.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
These people are the ones that ran up in our
nation's capital planning this whole domestic tarist sacking. Ya think'm
gonna let youall forget that because I'm not gonna be
on your behind every time I remember it. But they
need to be locked up for life because they're not
afraid of They're.

Speaker 4 (58:56):
Not afraid of anything.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Those are the people that you should really be See,
that's I'm my MS thirteen.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
I'm talking about J sixus. Okay, that's period. And y'all
want us to forget that that ever happened.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
And those people are still walking this nation and are
working jobs where we gotta present ourselves to them all
the time. And secretly in their heart they got they
got hate in their heart, violence in their heart. They
didn't care about nothing. They didn't care about this country.
It wasn't for good or country at that time. It
was not Those were Donald Trump And we'll sit.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
Here and we will mention it no more.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
We'll keep pulling out some fake MS thirteen problem in
this country. And again, unfortunately MS thirteen does exist and
something has happened with that. But if we are talking
about statistically and we talk about the white dead virus
as they used to call them here in America, they're

(01:00:01):
responsible for so many of the issues, and one of
those things are gun issues, school shootings, mass shootings. White
people are behind them the most.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Talk about a game. If they want to stop out
of game, they want to get every If you look
at the network, the network that is behind the mass shootings.
There was the last the one mass shooting that was
a black kid who did it, who was a Nazi
who hated black people. Craziest thing in the world, right,

(01:00:37):
you're black, young man, you decided to become a Nazi
and you hate black people. Who was a big fan
of Candice Owens. He was recruited to do that. He
filled out a survey online about why he was caught
to do a mass shooting. If you want to get
down to some investigating and sipping out all the violence,
go find that network, Go put them in jail, Go
put the people behind the Florida State University shooter, the

(01:01:00):
mass killer just last week, who happened to be a
son of a sheriff's officer there in talentus go get them,
but they never would do that because they absolutely support
white violence. MAGA supports white the murders committed by white folk.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
Immediately when it happened, my father called me and he
was telling me like, oh my gosh, like I know
you must be talking about this, And I just thought
to myself, you went to FAMI, you and you co
opt at FSU. You know you were going to that school.
I couldn't imagine. I don't know what I would do
if you were there and this shooting happened. And I

(01:01:39):
was explaining to him, hey, dad, you know, thank god
I'm not, But he's like, but what if you were?
That kept rolling through his head, And I thought about
the you know what I read, and I went to
c an End because that was where the only news
I can get. You would think the thing. You would
get news everywhere about a whole shooting that happened. Yet

(01:02:00):
it wasn't even that much. It was like, Okay, FSU
strong here and there, mass shootings are not there or
school shootings or they're not that they're they're so common
that we don't need to talk about them no more. Just
like COVID numbers, right, they're still out there, they're still growing.
This we don't need to talk about the number. We
don't want to have to because we're fear mongering if
we do it. Meanwhile, went on CNN to read about it.

(01:02:24):
Whoever wrote that scene in an article was they were
like literally reaching with dinosaur arms. It started with something
along the lines of it, and I'm pretty sure has
since been updated, but it was like the kid's name
and vaguely said he was going through some mental issues
because of his biological family.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
I'm like, so, who is this? Is this this the
sheriff that rais him? Not his biological mama.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
Uh. It literally was just like trying to already piece together.
It didn't start off with the murderer. It didn't start
off with.

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
The school shooter. It started off with his name.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
It started off with his age, and it said that
he was going immediately the first few sentences, he was going,
he may have been going through some issues because of
his biological mother, biological parent. But then I'm like, it's
the next line going to tell me that that's not
his biology. It was scrambling for something to already pin
down mental health issue, clear mouth. And it wasn't about

(01:03:19):
the victims. It was about this young boy. But your
MAM's a whole sheriff, well known in the community. And
the gun that you use was hers Not only that
you have been trained to use that weapon. Not only
that other sheriffs and police they know about you. That's

(01:03:41):
why you was taken in the way. You were alive, alive,
That's why it's problematic. And you know, school shootings, immigrant issues, loans,

(01:04:03):
they're all happening simultaneously in the same days, all the stuff,
loan changes, they picking up people from ice. You mentioned, Ben,
how you was upset at black Americans joining in on
the conversation. I didn't even like the pastor Jamal Bryant
mentioning this at his church, where he said, you know,

(01:04:24):
and for those of y'all brown people. He said it
to the church something along the lines, it's one of
those of y'all brown people who was saying things about us.
Look at y'all now getting rounded up. I guess it
was the people who were voting for Trump or whatever.
I don't know where he was going with it, but
the way the people were kicking and clapping in that church,
I'm like, you are talking to the same people who
could not wait to see Ice picking.

Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
Up random immigrants.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Yeah, okay, And I say that to say, just a
story recently, which is the crazy one. But a woman
posed as ICE allegedly to kidnap her ex's new wife.
And the wife is an immigrant. And I'm assuming the
wife just because, but the wife is an immigrant. And
this person got so upset that they presented themselves as ICE.

Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
And the woman who's an immigrant.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Was willingfully going with this person, willingfully until they found
out whoa this is.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
My life is in danger.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
These are the problems that I'm having right now because
people know the fear of immigrants and they're using They're
buying ICE shirts online and going into people's schools. Ice
just presented themselves at somebody's school where the teachers would
let them in, and they said that they spoke with
the parents. When the school called the parents, they said
they never spoke with this person. They are not following

(01:05:42):
due process. People who are out here Americans who are
just mad, mad that immigrants are dating people and things
of that sort. They're also coming in and they're upset
at immigrants and things of that sort, like we ain't
got nothing to do with nothing, but people are going
to now present themselves as eyes. There's no law, there's nothing,

(01:06:03):
there's nothing that says that, like we're all looking at
a mess of a show. But Donald Trump has given
Ice so much power, so much hierarchy when it comes
to enforcing law now, and immigrants as the biggest target
that regular Americans.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
It's causing division all mine every day. There was a
thing I just read about black the Atos or something.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
They're sending out emails to people who are prominent figures,
and this girl shared hers and it's an email saying,
you need to stop presenting as one of us.

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
You are not a Black American.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
And I'm trying to tell Black Americans, I love you
so much and I mean it, but bullets in America
don't care. You may have a feature of the Haitian
next door. May I said this in my last video
about immigrants. If they coming for the brown, for the
black immigrant, they're coming for the gay immigrant, the by

(01:07:05):
the they're coming for everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
If you think you're.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
White behind you're black, behind you, whatever, just because you
was born here or whatever, how long, how further your
generation goals. Kid is not going to be next or
in some form. Please look up a story and I
promise you can find it. There was a white woman
they told it self deport the other day because she's
far removed from her line. They told her to self deport. Wow, yes,

(01:07:32):
this is what we're seeing. And this woman is white
presenting white adjacent. They told her to self deport.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Sorry, I would be the laugh.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
So they coming for everybody, Karen, in between everybody, every
group of person you think just oh may God women's rights.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
It's no baby.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
They coming from your hispanic husband, your mixed baby.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
Everybody is getting God. Everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
So there's no blue bracelet that can fix this. There's
no atos that can fix this, there's no diaspora wards
that can fix this.

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
That's what I was telling you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Been so much division that I would love for is
to have that vision of we can go and we
can do this.

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
But there's so much of this stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
That people are eating up and consuming and it's giving
them no growth, it's giving them nothing nothing. But as
for us in our house, we got the right mindset.
We're seeing right through it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Craziness absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Like I said, you can google any story. You could
google a white person, a Spanish person, and in between
anything about deportation, and I promise you you will find it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
They don't care a picture of her up because she's white,
white like she's like he's from the Caucasus mountains.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Yes, so, but yes, with that being said, all this
is going on right now, I'm going to do a
story Ben, and I know that you are a pastor,
and I just spoke about pastors Jamal Bryant. Right, I'm
going to do a story or and it's it's dropping
tomorrow where I touch on one of the pastors that

(01:09:13):
I actually respect and love their grittiness, Philip Anthony Mitchell
and here in Atlanta, and I'm gonna touch on that.
The funny part about it is I didn't want to
in the beginning because of the reproach that the church
gives if you speak on their anointed. And you know,

(01:09:34):
I didn't want that. But in the church last Sunday,
I know it was about a week and a half ago,
on their inaugural church service.

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
I didn't get it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
I was on my way there because it was so packed,
I didn't get a chance to go in. But when
I got home, I did watch the sermon. The sermon
that I watched didn't have this portion in it, but
there were three services. In one of the portions, the
pastor did mention that black children.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Oh dude, he's in Atlanta.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
Is in Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
Yes, they mentioned that black children are not getting murdered
due to being black by police officers, but because they don't,
they're not being taught authority. And while online I always
want to protect, of course the ministry, the church or
things of that sort, I also know that you can't

(01:10:22):
do that when you're the pulpit that's supposed to be
preaching and prophesying and protecting and teaching the Word of
God is speaking things that are not in the Bible
and that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
Are systemically.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Hurtful, abusive, and spewing out this rhetoric that comes from
a system that is bred and white supremacy. And especially
when you're on a global platform and the moment that
you choose to say something it's against your very own
in the middle of a city that is your very own,

(01:10:58):
and you have children that are fit the subscription that
it may happen to as well. And while he was
speaking about his personal I guess when he heard that
God told him to submit when he was detained by
police officers when he was younger, or to obey. That
still does not say that it justifies the wrongful, the shootings,

(01:11:24):
the murders of children. And please be sure to definitely
watch my job on tomorrow. But I say it to
say the reproach needed to happen because we were never
going to get an apology unless the reproach came.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
And I want to understand.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
I want people to understand that your leaders should not
be above reproach because they're your leader.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
But I do know in this.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
Atmosphere there are so many people who are gonna take
it and say this is why we don't go to churches,
as why Jesus isn't realist? Why And that's why I'm like,
you cannot make that your example. You cannot make that
your example. But also biblically, a lot of leaders were
held accountable, and that's you held accountable is the way
you can do right.

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
And he did.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Since I have an apology, but y'all can definitely listen
to this clip. I will go in on it on tomorrow.
But I know that there were a lot of people,
including myself, who, out of spiritual fear of having the conversation,
you know, didn't know what to exactly say in that moment,
although I knew exactly what to say in that moment.

Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
But let's take a listen to his words.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
Well, yes, and when we come back, I'm gonna tell you,
I gotta address that. What you just said though, okay,
here we go. Here is be strong of my ego
or my submission. Right.

Speaker 11 (01:12:48):
I could flex in that moment and not obey the
authority because my ego will.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Be stronger than my logic. Or I could submit and
walk away with my life. And if I don't submit.

Speaker 11 (01:12:58):
In that moment, man, I'm hurled into eternity by a
tops bullet.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
And I know there's bad cops out there.

Speaker 4 (01:13:08):
We know that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
We know there's cops who's evil.

Speaker 11 (01:13:10):
Man, there's evil people in every in every industry preaching
all that stuff. But man, not every killing of a
black man was because of a bad cop. And in
that moment, I got to decide which one evil on
my submission.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
The part actually is another part It gets worse.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
Mm hm.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
What was the next part, because that's enough for me. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
No, the actual thing that black children are not being
they're being shot because they're not being they're not respecting authority,
they're not obeying authority. So to every mother or father
who has lost their child, you know you haven't taught
your child authority. And I believe that because I shared

(01:13:58):
my own immediately. I just thought about when I was twelve,
going to church, just checking the mail. Didn't know my
neighbor called the cops on us. Didn't know that, just
checking the mail. And I looked up and there was
a chopper in the sky with a cop, a sheriff
chopper in the sky above my home. And if you
know Florida, our homes are just one floor small, you know,

(01:14:21):
homes built for island type areas. You know in South Florida.
You got a chopper over your home, blowing over your home,
and the cop is holding a chopper towards you. Then
you look ahead and you see them hidden in your bushes.
It's about three of them in green holding a gun
towards me, and then one at my door telling me

(01:14:44):
to come, holding a ar towards me, comes behind me,
puts it behind my back.

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
At twelve years old.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
I got a little skirt on, a red T shirt
and some brown and red nikes that I got from
Marshals that was hurting my pinky towel, and I was
checking the mail waiting for my choir practice director to
come pick me up for choir practice on a Saturday,
and they told me to open the door and call
everybody who was my brothers out, and they had us
in handcuffs on our knees in the front yard. And

(01:15:10):
when the neighbor said, oh, sorry, wrong, they lived there,
the neighbor went back into their home. The cops took
off the cuffs off of our arms, and nobody said
anything to us for their at all. We never got
an apology or anything like that. If my brothers would
have made the wrong move or whatever and been shot
down while we obeyed. We didn't know why this was happening.

(01:15:31):
We didn't even question it. We did everything that was said,
everything that was said. I'm going to think about Elijah McClean,
who apologized for even question cops and their motives and
apologizing for being who we asked for forgiveness to the cops,
and they still killed him.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
You know, Rebecca let me. Let me say this to
you as a past the biggest problem in the Black
church is the fact that we are afraid.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
To call out our pastor thank you, thank you, And we.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Got to stop being afraid of calling them out. In fact,
we need to actively called them out, restively called them
out because they are speaking over thousands of people.

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
And this is the global pastor, so hundreds.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Of thousands of people that this man is speaking to.
And what he's doing is nothing new. Right, We've seen
black folks launder white supremacy into the black community for clicks,
cloud and checks. Right, he's just doing it from the
pool pit, and I don't care what rationale he actually
sat with. The Spirit of the Lord did not reveal

(01:16:52):
that to him. The spirit of Candae Owens revealed that
to him, the spirit of conservatism, Thomas Claire's Thomas reveal
that to him because at the end of the day,
when you look at case after case after case after
case that black people stood up for, it was a
clear example of white cops not caring, not even giving

(01:17:13):
black people the chance to breathe. Tamir Rice killed within set.
I think it was less than three to four seconds
of the cop pulling up on the scene. The cop
patrol car did not even stop moving good. This cop
jumped out and shot that twelve year old boy. That
pastor needs to be called out, not just because of

(01:17:34):
the nature of the politics, but because there is no requirement.
There is nothing that God is going to punish a
single person over for correctly calling out their pastor. If
your pastor is abusing somebody in your church, you better
stand up and call them out immediately. I ain't talking
to you, I'm talking to everybody. This potting, these lies

(01:17:58):
from the pull pit. You need to call them out
immediately or you need to find you another church. And
this fascism that happens in the Black church where you
can't say nothing against the black pastor the devil is
a liar. Y'all better get out of there because you're
doing All you're doing is replicating white supremacist fascism inside
of the black power structure that is the Black church.

(01:18:19):
Why do you think the Black church can't even be
really helpful right now in this precise moment when we
need the Black church in lockstep and in alignment. It's
because you got pastors who try to kick people out
because they criticize.

Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
Them absolutely the abusive powers.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
I said so, and I'm also gonna touch on this
because that the reason why I mentioned it is because
I feel obligated to stay silent because no, and this
is not I feel because you know me, I'm not
going to but I felt that's a feeling that I
immediately got was to stay silent because I am going
to offend the church people. When the church when this

(01:18:57):
comment was made, when people were even coming out politely
and saying, hey, pastor, that's not it, people were going
under under there saying that the oh you don't, you
can't speak against this past that he is holy and
he didn't mention anything for a week and this that
comment caused the vision online. And I think what people
don't understand is that we're trained in some way, especially

(01:19:18):
if you grew up in the Black Church, to have
this trauma response to me to religious hierarchy where if
this person is that this position or this position or
this position, we are told you better not speak against
this person. And they take that Bible verse to you know,
touching out my anointings speak against They'll take that and

(01:19:39):
utilize that and weaponize it. So you feel like if
you talk about them, you may die tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
You may What if your profit is a pedophile, what
if your pastor is message, if your past is a
Sultan way and people.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
Will literally say, we can't speak at but they still
God still called them God. But it's like, so you
can't speak about what they're doing, you can't call it out,
you can't do.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Any of that.

Speaker 4 (01:20:01):
They're abusing their position.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
They're abusing their position no matter, They're abusing their a position.
And I think spreading that kind of dangerous theology or
behaviors or whatever it may be. And I've heard it
from multiple pastors. I just named one to you, Jamal Bryant.
What he did, I don't think that was draped in
Oh you know, you should never be speaking to your
congregation in that matter, knowing that there is a big

(01:20:24):
diasporal war situation and you're talking about immigrant in your
church in that way. I think that what we just
heard just now is problematic because it's spewing out and
it's disregarding that systemic issue about why black children.

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
Are being murdered.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
But then online so many of the church community, which
now we can see online in the people drop in verbiage.
But imagine being in a church itself and being afraid
to speak up because everybody will say, you can't speak
about that because that person is a pastor, even though
they did wrong, you can't say anything about that. You
can't do that. And I think again, that was the

(01:20:59):
immediately a response that I had. I'm afraid to speak
about it, But immediately I said God, I want I
prayed about it, and then God gave me the script
literally within myself.

Speaker 4 (01:21:09):
I said, I don't know, because people are going to
get offended.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
They're gonna say that I'm speaking about this, And then
immediately I was told it was so funny. I was
told exactly what I knew I would be told. And
people use that Bible verse touch not my anointed.

Speaker 4 (01:21:30):
Excuse me.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
There's so much division because of this word that came,
and that word is not biblical, and people are online
saying that it is biblical. I looked everywhere which way
I searched that and loan and I couldn't find it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
And I do know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
What I do know is that it was not biblical.
It was personal. And the fact that your leader and
a leader that I actually respected, has this idea when
it comes to black children and pushing out this thing
and removing the pain of mothers have to deal with
the people they taught their children, their mothers and fathers.

(01:22:04):
They taught their children to be obedient, to be submissive too.

Speaker 4 (01:22:07):
Cops.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
Why because they're black? Especially why because they're boys immigrant children?

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
When they come here.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
The first thing that my dad said is when you
see a cop, whatever they say, you do it. You
do not remove your stuff. You don't move too quick,
you don't move too slow. You follow the rules because
you need to make sure that you make it home,
You make it to school, you make it to wherever
you got to go, Let them hand you that ticket,
and you come on home in one piece.

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
That is the truth of the matter.

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
One thing that I do know that we are all,
in some way, shape or form, have been told to comply,
to comply, and that should not be the basis of conversation.
And to specify that even got me to specify black
children in themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
And not talk about how that is more.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Of a system issue, a racist issue, a prejudice issue.
It's not a compliance issue.

Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
To me.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
That's grounds to get rid of that pastor I'm gonna
keep it a hundred, Brother, you're not qualified to lead
a black congregation in the middle of an all out
assault against black people. And this is what you come
up with, Brethren. You ain't hear that from God. You
have just in for And this is where it matters. Right.

(01:23:34):
I don't know how many people he reaches, but let's
say it's one hundred thousand. You need be back in
the minds of one hundred thousand people the exact spirit
that they need to fight according to the spiritual wickednessness
in high places. Right now, white supremacy. The greatest demon
on the face of this planet is white supremacy. The

(01:23:59):
only thing that's close as a second, it's capitalism. White
supremacy and capitalism is spiritual wickedness and high places. And
here you are doing the bidding of that devil. Oh,
and then it's like, that's not He might be anointed
in every other sentence he gives, but right there he
was working in the flesh.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
Oh, that's exactly what That's what I think that people
need to understand, and for the congregation to come out
and to battle with people who were just saying that
was a flesh, that was an opinion that was flesh
that was not at all functioning in the spirit or
anything of that sort. But they were saying, you aren't spiritual,
you can't speak. Have you ever been to a church?
The division and the conversations were also problematic surrounding that,

(01:24:41):
because if you're supposed to be somebody also who is
in the body of Christ, you should be able to
talk to your leader, but get online and be able
to have conversations, say, my leader, that wasn't the proudest moment.
We'll stick right beside them, but that was You should
be able to say those things, but to act like
this person is untouchable and this person is God. The
same way Pastor Keon, who's married to Shannie O'Neil, made

(01:25:03):
those statements about Haitians and Haiti and those type of
things and never wanted to clarify and still went in
again and spoke.

Speaker 4 (01:25:11):
About it again, doubled down on it again.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
This conversation where it's anti immigrant, anti black, anti this
coming from black pastors black congregations, when you know that
your congregation is full of those same people and nothing
in the Word is nothing in the Word is showing
us that what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
Is biblical and it's all fleshly.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
We should not let that just be something that happens
because there's a church or there's that what it was
it God was flipping tables because they was out of
order in his house.

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
He was flipping tables. Jesus was flipping tables.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
Accountability should be something that happens within the church, not
being passive, not saying that this person is anointed and
called so we should not speak to them or against
them or whatever. And it's not even against them calling
out your pastor calling out your leader the same ways
we should be able to do so to our local
leaders or to whoever we're following or wherever, and especially

(01:26:07):
when it comes to your spiritual life and they're teaching
you white supremacists conversations globally, people don't that are not
even in this nation who will believe that thought and
have that understanding about black children that they do not
comply because it was very specific.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
M So, I want to play something for you real quick,
because while you were talking, so I don't know, can
you hear me clicking when I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
No, but I see you putting out the chat gpt up.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
I want to play this because because what I did was.
I just broke it down real quick in chat GPT,
like like, what's the historical aspect blah blah blah blah.
But then I said, let's flip it on his head.
What do you do when the anointed are doing harm
to the least of these? What do you do when
the anointed that you're not supposed to lay hands on

(01:26:58):
is doing harm to the least to these? And this
is what this is what it said, real quick, audience.

Speaker 12 (01:27:05):
Absolutely, here's a succinct, yet version you can use for
a live audience, whether in a sermon, panel or public teaching.
It's structured for clarity, flow and rhetorical power live teaching.
Touch not my anointed when the anointed do harm. We
often hear the phrase touch not my anointed and do

(01:27:26):
my profits no harm. It's quoted to defend pastors, leaders
and spiritual figures from criticism. But let's look closer. This
verse Psalmonth five isn't about protecting leaders from accountability. It's
about God protecting his people, the patriarchs and the nation
of Israel during times of vulnerability. It's part of a

(01:27:47):
historical psalm, not a legal shield. Now here's the real question.
What happens when the anointed person is the one doing harm,
especially to the least of these, Because Jesus flips the
lens in Matthew twenty five. Whatever you did to the
least of these, you did to me. So if an
anointed person harms the hungry, the abused, the silence, or

(01:28:10):
the vulnerable, they are not operating in divine authority. They
are acting against God's heart. Scripture doesn't protect anointed leaders
from accountability. It holds them to a higher standard. Saul
was anointed, God removed him. David was anointed yet rebuked
by a prophet. Priests were anointed yet condemned in Malachi

(01:28:30):
for exploiting the people. Being anointed isn't a pass. It's
a calling to embody, justice, mercy, and humility. So let's
be clear, touch not my anointed was never meant to
silence truth. It was meant to declare that God stands
with the vulnerable, not the powerful who harm them. In
God's kingdom, the least of these are never least to him.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
Yeah, sometimes sometimes sometimes AI be like ready to priest, though,
But the clearest thing in this Rebecca is that you
might be anointed, but once you harm the least of these,
you have neutralized your anointing. You are no longer anointed.
Once you are moving out of that anointing to harm somebody,

(01:29:16):
you need to be touched.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
And I think that's what the Again, there's a trauma
that we've grown up with or that's specifically in the
Black church, and not specifically to the Black American church,
but to the Black church. I think in the church,
even within the evangelical church, you cannot speak against the leader,
even when they're doing wrong, even if it's a financial wrongdoing,
even if it's a physical wrongdoing, sexual abuse, wrongdoing, whatever.

(01:29:39):
It's always to cover to cover to cover, to cover
to cover. But I think sometimes we use that and
we say, touch not my anointed. Are the people who
are functioning in the church individually, are they not anointed?
Why are we putting it at this hierarchy value only
for the pastor itself. It's always that, And I think
that the trauma again of speaking against spiritual hierarchy is
what instantly came to my heart in my mind, and

(01:30:01):
that do not speak on that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
Don't ever. Oh yeah, undo unlearned.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
And again I've watched him and I love his preachers
and then and do I think sometimes it's a little
gritty and a little angry all the time. Yes, But
sometimes I felt like we need that in this moment
because it's too much happy, go lucky unbiblical stuff out
there as well, and we got to be real about
what's happening and what's to come.

Speaker 5 (01:30:25):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:30:25):
And he does a good job about that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
However, in this moment, like you said, it was operating
within the flesh immediately. Whatever's on your mind, whatever's on
your heart, was that coming through your mouth?

Speaker 4 (01:30:34):
And was that being something that was taught to the
people and the specifics.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
Of it being black children, black boys at that absolutely not.
And then to allow it to cause the vision for
a week and not say anything.

Speaker 4 (01:30:49):
But then then he did that that was.

Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
The beneficial portion of the people who stood on it
and said there needs to be we need to know
where your mind was, what was coming from that d
He did come out with an apology, and it was
not like a pr apology.

Speaker 4 (01:31:03):
It was like, oh boy, I didn't even know what
to say.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
That was wrong historically, and he went in and the
accountability factor, now, whether I receive it or not, but
but for your church, who.

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
Is following you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
We have to be a leader who is not above reproach,
who can reclaim the title of a leader to show
that you can hold yourself accountable and learn and unlearned
and teach properly.

Speaker 4 (01:31:35):
You gotta be able to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
Let me leave you with one thing on this, Rebecca,
I was talking to a friend last night. Two things. One,
the Bible says that after that I will pour out
my spirit on all flesh, your sons and your daughters
will prophesy. That means, truthfully, the anointing has fallen on
every single one of us. The anointing is on all

(01:32:00):
of us. That's number one. Number two, you do not
have to go through anybody's preacher or pulpit prophet or pastor,
pope or prelate to get to God. You can go
to God for yourself. What does that all add up to.
That adds up to the fact that we need more
power in the pews to stand up to the power

(01:32:20):
in the pulpit, because the power in the pulpit has
become hierarchical. Like you said, it's about how much authority
they have over other people. And in that way, when
a pastor is acting in that way they are literally
by definition, operating in the spirit of the Antichrist, because
power belongs to God, not to a preacher.

Speaker 4 (01:32:42):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
And what's funny is for me, I'm somebody who loves
to be within the church because it's a community. For me,
it helps me stay disciplined in things of that sort.
But I also want to see within the church that
there are we're not treating the pastors as above everybody,
not treating the pastors as they can be there not
to be touched, or they're not to be whatever. They're

(01:33:05):
too great, they're too amazing. They are right there beside God,
and we are way, way, way at the bottom. And
so we can't speak against them. We can't speak to them,
we can't touch them, we cant look them in the eyes.
We can't, we can't, we can't. But I saw people
who were still covering their pastor, which I prefer that
kind of thing, but who were still covering Pastor Philip
and still saying, hey, you were wrong about this, and

(01:33:29):
as our leader, we need that conversation. Back in my
day when I was going to church, there was something
that we used to call your mom when the congregation
would come together and have conversations with the pastor and
be able to hold them accountable for some things, but
do it as a family. But sir, you are streaming
live on and the conversation is all over the internet.
And are you thinking that you can't have you can't

(01:33:50):
talk about this. You got your congregation out here fighting
for you, and you ain't saying a word.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
Come on, come on? So you mean you mean like
all week long his congregation was going to war and
he was just signed. They finally he came out and says,
so yeah, look, look, and I you know, an apology
and all, it's cool, but I don't need to know
where that seed came from and where else is this
seed showing up? Because you don't just scop out of

(01:34:18):
the abundance of the heart. The mouth speaks. He been
sitting on that alone time. He thought he was cooking.
When he said that, he was sweating it all, bending
over the pulpit. He really got into it. So they
need to not just accept the apology, but they need
to investigate the root and the seed of that. Where
is that coming from? Because I guarantee you it's gonna
show up again.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
And that's what I said. You're if y'all still gonna
go there better. I know where his heart is and unlearned,
and you know, let him know, Like pastors should not
be put at a place where it's like immediately the
work is done after they said something, because he wasn't
gonna say anything until until the the online reproach came
and I saw some really great reproaches that were to me,

(01:35:01):
if y'all gonna support this is how reproach needs to look.

Speaker 4 (01:35:05):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
It wasn't just against the people who are agnostic or
anti church or whatever. It was from actual people within
his congregation. Okay, so it's like and then there were
people who were on there like literal people from the church.
This is what happens when you are a leader and
you spew out things that are not true.

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
Now there's the vision that's happening. You got church people
who are out there.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
Like, shut up.

Speaker 4 (01:35:26):
You need to shut up. People need to stop talking
about this.

Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
I don't even know the fact that it's not about
the passion that did it for me. It's about the
messaging that was given on a global stage. That's not
That's not what right now to me, Christianity is that last.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
Thing though we need we need women to take over
all the churches.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
It's it's you know that that ain't that ain't for
the Black church are scared of that?

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
Yeah, yeah, but no, we're just gonna say what it is.
We're gonna call it for what it is. Uh. We
we need black women who have been the backbone of
every Black church. Without them, it does not exist. It's
about time for them to stop playing second chair, not
even second chair, third, fourth, fifth chair to a bunch
of men who God bless them. But mhmm let me.

(01:36:22):
I'mna leave it there.

Speaker 4 (01:36:23):
Yeah, I believe it there. So with that being said,
I do I do have this video dropping on tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:36:30):
Be on the lookout for it. I do hope that
this is a learning lesson. But this is a great
to me example of accountability and how far accountability can go,
because this could have been something that sat there and
they rolled on with the next sermon on the next week,
never touched on it, uh, and those kind of things.
So your congregation, since it is online, he calls them

(01:36:53):
digital disciples, should it should should be able to positively
get you, you know, hold you, hold you accountable, and
I should be able to address address your people.

Speaker 4 (01:37:03):
In that way. I know we're at the end of
the show right now. Ben, it's all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
Becca's voice, please do because your girl, I don't put
it on and y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
Y'ah ain't put in the comments section again so I
can put it on the screen.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
But I appreciate the people who did give the super chats.
But once again, your girl has been let go like
my camera. And I really really really would love if
you guys support because we got bills coming up, we
got things coming up, but we're still gonna do the work.
We got videos coming up still and Ben put the

(01:37:42):
catch up were the catch up, but also we're gonna
read the few because I think three.

Speaker 1 (01:37:49):
We go, we're not. We're gonna read them all. Omega Star,
thank you you always right up my day, Rebecca. Great
to see you. Triz Ramos. I'm reading it like you
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though your cameras two Night and nine. Thank you for
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Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
Shout out to everyone listening at work right now. And yeah,
shout out to everybody listening at work right now. Eat
the rich, Omega said, Eat the rich. Capitalism sucks and
it is for Satan himself.

Speaker 4 (01:38:18):
I like it. I like it a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:38:19):
Thank you so much, not low too for your super chat.
Look look at me waiting for more, and that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
Wait, wait a minute, he listen. Thank y'all for every
We're all five of ours couper chats. We are excited
and ecstatic about our five super chats. Now y'all going
over to uh Cat and drop sister Rebecca Azor some
cash app love. We just needna be honest with you, Rebecca,

(01:38:51):
only gonna need just just a little bit longer to
hang on in there. I gotta share something with you.
I've been sharing it with people one at a time.
I'm sharing with you when we get share that to
go run and do something. But later on I want
to drop something on you. You just come on. You
just hang in there, hanging y'all help her hang in
there by ten people in the audience sending her ten

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to twenty dollars each, and that will get just enough
for this week. And we're gonna do it again.

Speaker 3 (01:39:18):
That light bill, light bill gonna stay on. We're gonna
be right here again on this Saturday. Okay, but no,
I appreciate y'all. Uh and no problem Joe, Joe, be chill.
You know today's a Wednesday. We'll see you on Saturday
morning and then I know you gotta roll. I don't
want to hold y'all. All hearts and minds are clear
on today's episode being it's clear, it's clear, my heart

(01:39:40):
mind's clear. I love you guys, mean it, and I'll
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