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Speaker 3 (00:59):
Good morning, and welcome to like it or not.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Well, we're free to tell the truth and not care
who doesn't like it. But good morning. How you doing?
I was ready, I was saying we could have had
a whole nother song. Play Rebecca. When you come in.
You got to say hey, hey, hey, let's go, because
me and James just be having too much fun, you know,
for real, doing too much.

Speaker 5 (01:17):
I'd be like, listen, I know I've been coming in late,
but I said, I'm here. No, you guys make it
really good for our audience. Really great there my voices there,
we go really good for the audience. You know, make
sure you keep our you know, our prep going. You
know the what do they call that thing when they
pre game problem? Getting our people, uh, you know ready

(01:40):
for what yep? Tailgating all of the things right, because
I know some people drinking and Saturday, I know some
people working out, and I know some people are listening
to us. I'm in the car. If you're going to
work all the things right, But you do that for us, Bubba.
You know that's why when you aren't here, it actually
makes a whole world of a difference. Not that the
vibes is not being and it's not being gay, but

(02:02):
you do bring that presence to our audience for us,
and you know, you get them ready and prepared for
what is to come. And before we get to what's
what is to come, let me go ahead and adjust. Yeah,
I'll be yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
I hold, we could we could we could talk real quick, James,
what's going on with breet.

Speaker 8 (02:18):
It's going good because the record looking like she was
the Munchkin, and we were like the people from like
my eyes like mine.

Speaker 7 (02:26):
It's good.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
There, Hey you got a super there we go, oh
there you go.

Speaker 6 (02:31):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
I had to do it off camera because the legs
on here, everything is just breaking the bok the legs
on here.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
If I were to move it and adjust.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
This happened actually on I was on Ola and Friends,
which is gonna come out on the Sunday. And as
I was on the Lay and Friends, camera fell because
the legs, the legs, you know, it's just the legs.
Camera tipped over and then I forgot that it was
still on, so here gonna be picking it up. So
camera's all up in here like this. But usually because

(03:05):
sometimes we're it's all of us on air at once,
so it's not we're not able to really remove me
at all times. So and every time I'm on the show,
because we're on, we do record very long baby battery.
But baby, this is the way it was, so if
y'all see it.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
And then it was just in the kitchen.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
Because I was putting all around it was it was
didn't know, no.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
The cameras are great.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
The cameras are actually what I recommend to other people,
thank you, man, I recommend to other people. So if
you see a lot of these people who are using
their cameras and they're like, oh I I actually got this,
the you know, the A six or the A seven,
the Sony and and they always absolutely have the best
quality right and i'm i'm i'm I never get keep

(03:59):
with that. So a lot of people have you know,
came to me with you who have big, big platforms, but.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Their quality wasn't good and it was the camera.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
So aside from that being said, but the legs.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Have gone on for five years strong.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
The battery has been the same battery, but batteries. I
have gotten other batteries, but they don't last as long
I need the long you know, I invested, and it
was it was a good, cute little change for what
I thought was the plug And it ain't the plug
and they won't take it back.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
So uh no, really, it's the same cheap plugs that
you would use for any uh say, Motorola, Oh my goodness,
I'm so old. What's that other one? Not iPhones? What's
the other one? Android? The same charges that you would
use from No, Ben, I tried that.

Speaker 6 (04:46):
No.

Speaker 8 (04:46):
What you gotta do is remember our bad our cameras.
You can't like plug up and use at the same time.
You have to get like it's a battery attachment and you.

Speaker 7 (04:58):
At the bottom.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, I got the camera and I gotta plugged in
right now. We'll talk logistics off there, okay, whole on
because I'm like.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
It was overheating.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
It was overheating.

Speaker 5 (05:13):
Yeah, yes, the USBC it was overheating, and I was like, oh,
so I can't utilize the camera while it's plugged in.
I have to have the battery. And that's when I
started using AnyWho.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Y'all he's in here or there.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
We will talk logistics and we will talk who's right
and wrong camera because it seemed like being got a
different one. But it's okay, it's all right, and good morning.
And you guys, you know, just tell me about your week.
This week has been very they just killing all folks.
We passed away. It's been a long one. But before

(05:49):
we get to that, I want to know how you
guys this week has been so far? Mhm, James always
you want to go, James, how about Ben?

Speaker 7 (05:56):
You start?

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Week has been good. The week has been. It's been sad.
You know, we all lost America, lost our big brother,
theo So we'll talk about that, I'm sure in a minute.
But outside of that, it's been a good week, very
productive week. I'm just you know, Rebecca, did you get
enough to get you did you get to see the
pregame show enough to see the vision you? I mean,

(06:20):
I know you knew the vision all. I mean, I
definitely that Saturday morning energy, like what we did this morning,
what we've been doing lately, like that that that brings
a week to a good good clothes So I'm vibe
in the audience.

Speaker 5 (06:34):
Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, So Bubba, I need you to Bubba
one thing before you do that. I think the camera
is focusing on your your lens, so.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
That's yeah, yeah, there it is. There we go.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
He was a fairy?

Speaker 5 (06:49):
Yeah tell us, mister fairy.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
How was?

Speaker 7 (07:02):
It has been a very interesting week.

Speaker 8 (07:04):
Like being said, we lost our big brother, then uh
Ozzy Osbourne and then the other person that I was
starting a fan that other person that used to be
a fan of when I was younger until all this
stuff came out. But yeah, other than that, it's been
a crazy week. I mean, just all kinds of stuff
going on.

Speaker 7 (07:21):
It's too much. Did did either one of y'all watch
South Park?

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yes, that whole episode.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
I didn't watch. What I did see the clips.

Speaker 6 (07:29):
That's all you need to see.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
Jesus Rice, what if.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
We could play it this morning?

Speaker 5 (07:34):
And I know that allegedly or what's being reported right
now is that Donald Trump And in reference to what
Bubba was saying about South Park, there was you know,
they came back out and they of course had Donald
Trump as one of the characters, of course, and so
they were making fun or doing all the things that

(07:54):
they usually do and talked about the size of where
he was he relax and they you know, made their jokes.
They got their jokes off. Donald Trump felt away, but
not really about the total episode that they dropped, Like
you know, it was more so about them describing the
size of its venus and said that they would he

(08:15):
would now be suing because of that, and they said
a lot, but because of that part allegedly, But we
will talk about that as well. Are you dying about
because I want to talk about my week. There was
nothing so crazy about my look so my week, No,

(08:35):
it was nothing so crazy about my week. I did
experience loss, and I'm like, dang, loss just comes like
nobody's business. My best friend's father whom I grew up with,
he used to be our ride to school. You know,
he was a lot for us. He ended up passing
away from cancer. But she did get to, you know,
after the cancer diagnosis, she had him, you know, and

(08:57):
and got to spend time with him four or five years.
So that's the all of the pandemic. And so that
was some news. And they kind of just had me
thinking about, you know, my own because I was already
supposed to go home. I remember I told you what
my mom my mom's surgery. I was already supposed to
go home and take my dad to his eye surgery.

(09:17):
So I'm gonna go and do that for him, and
then the next day head on out to her father's funeral.
But we we did.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
You know, she's very strong and.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
I love her Miena and her dad was a great,
great man, did a lot for us. Once again, when
my daddy said he wasn't taking me to my dance
my dance class for her because he didn't understand what
it was. Her dad was the one that did that.
When we were supposed to go to the dances at
the school. My parents was like, what the hell is that?
What's she talking about? What are these dances? And her

(09:52):
dad was the one to pick us up in his taxi,
drop us off in his taxi. Uh so shouts out
to her father and all the great things great that
he is. I remember when you bought her first car.
This is crazy.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Her dad is a mechanic and he taught her how
because it was the first car. Back then, you wasn't
getting brand new cars.

Speaker 5 (10:09):
You were getting the cars, you know, off the lot
or off the corners. That was they were selling whatever.

Speaker 7 (10:16):
You know.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
And her dad was like, we gonna see if you can,
if you're responsible enough to have this vehicle.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
So I remember we would.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
It was dangerous, but we would do it.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
We would drive the car and then there was two
little things that we would have to put together and
did it?

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Dies it?

Speaker 5 (10:30):
We back home?

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Baby, and we yeah, wait like yeah, hot wiring the car,
like hot wiring.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
I swear this is touched like the true story.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
We was like hot wiring the vehicle and her dad
her to her dad was like a mechanic and he
taught her to like do that, and we were going
to and from high school for a couple of months
like that. We would hot wire the car to get
it started. Sometimes in the middle of us driving, we
just pull over.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Got got got got got, got gott and we headed
on out.

Speaker 5 (10:59):
We was on that but herd that was was that guy.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
So it was a lot, you know, to have to
deal with.

Speaker 5 (11:04):
But at the same time, I'm just like, she's being
really strong and I thank god that she had the
time with her father that that she did, and so
that's what I'm want to do. But the thing is,
I went online and looked for tickets. Why they so
once they just talking about the people don't want to
fly the most. So they made tickets like a dollar Now, baby,
I look at them, tickets to get home to go

(11:27):
support my friend.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Baby.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
They they were seven hundred dollars, them hundred dollars to
go down to Palm Beach. I said, Okay, what we
usually do is we're flying for a lot of dale.
So it was six hundred and nine dollars to fly
in to Fort Lauderdale. And then I looked, so I said,
I don't want to go to Miami. Nobody likes to

(11:50):
fly into Miami Airport.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
That's what nobody likes to flying to Miami. I looked that.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah, I looked at Miami and I said.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
Oh, you flying, You just gotta read you just gotta
reach there.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Du la over.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
But you're gonna get there, do la over. You're gonna get.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
There in the middle of the night and just hope
somebody is available to come pick you up from the mike.
That's just But I just have to say, you know,
a lot has been going on, as always, and I
was feeling super heavy as always, but I'm fighting through
all that stuff. But I think about what's been going
on the loss of people, not only people who are

(12:27):
my loved ones, but people who are you know, people
that we looked up to watching them, and how this
affects us a lot of people who.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Are like that was just THEO.

Speaker 5 (12:38):
That was just Malcolm, you know, on my off of
Malcolm and Eddie. That was just this And I'm like, no, well,
you know the actor from the Residents. And so everybody's
saying about Malcolm. Jamal Warner, who was the one that
passed away earlier this week, drowning on vacation with his
wife and his daughter. So many so much, so many
people were wondering, why are the millennials mostly going being

(13:01):
so sad about this? You have to understand a lot
of the people that we're losing right now are people
that we.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Grew up watching.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
But these are people who raised us in a way,
and Malcolm was not only people who raised us. People
can relate to them. So I'm pretty sure Ben and Bubba,
you guys were able to relate age wise and experience wise,
and within.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
The show that man find to be that you know,
oh he.

Speaker 5 (13:23):
Was was fine. And you know, Malcolm is somebody who
people don't know was also the voice of the producer
on the Magic School Bus, and that at a very
young age, y'all, the voice of the producer on the
Magic school Bus. Also, Malcolm has I think grammys, I
want to say, for helping to produce.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Music or various artists.

Speaker 5 (13:47):
Recently has a podcast that promotes mental health for black men,
talks about the stigmas around the HIV. Just a lot
of things that Malcolm put out there and was fighting for,
especially if within the black community wasn't always wasn't somebody

(14:07):
who was just talking but always doing, And that's what
we seen a lot of people were just like, you
know why y'all glorifying. It's not glorifying, it's you know,
understanding that not only obvious people that we because when
Michael Jackson died that was a thing. All those things
were things, but these people who actually played a part
and what we watched, how we acted in anything. In

(14:28):
my day and age, reruns of The Cosby.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Show were watch reruns.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
It was on TV, so we were also enthralled into
the whole Cosby characters and THEO. We got to feel
who THEO was just as much as when the show
first came out, I believe what was the eighties, And
so the effect wasn't only from THEO, it was from
THEO to The Resident, which was his latest work on Netflix.

(14:56):
So I say, all have to say, life is precious
and I think about that all the time. And if
you can get a chance to celebrate somebody, do so,
celebrate yourself. But don't let life and how it's lifing

(15:18):
prevents you from living. And I think about that because
right now, Jamal, well Malcolm calling that man Jamal, that's
his middle name, but what's his name? Malcolm has passed,
but his legacy lives on, but he can't take anything
with him. Yeah, he's just not able to take those

(15:39):
things with them. Experience and the people, everything that the
people have said about Malcolms online has been nothing but positivity,
and that's what he left behind. But you can't take
nothing with you. And if you experience life in a
way where all you do is if you're choosing to
live and you're just making it by, but you're just
so angry, Tabatha Brown says something like, have a good day,

(15:59):
and if you can't go around messing up other people's
And that is something I think is really important because
in your passing or in your life or in your living,
you want to make sure that you're good enough. You're
being good to yourself so you can be good to
other people. And if you can't step step away so
you can bring that back to yourself. But worrying is
not gonna You're almost gonna be pushing yourself to your

(16:23):
the end of your days. You're living your life every
day to the end of your days, and you got
to live. But everybody respects Malcolm. All the things I've
been seeing around Malcolm's story, even though some of the
stories were alleged and wrong as far as how he
had passed, but the the honoring has been very beautiful,
which is not like Paul Cogan, who spent his life

(16:45):
hating people and especially the ends of his life hating people, racism,
all of the things. He actually, this is a true story,
thought that the person that was I believe passed away,
the person that passed away with his son or something
like that is something passed away, but the person that
passed away involving something about his son, would reincarnate and attack.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Him because they were black. This is something that he
really believed.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
So because he did people dirty, he couldn't live This
is what I'm trying.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
To get to living.

Speaker 5 (17:17):
His life was always as if it was the end
of his days. He was worried about the end of
his days. When you're nasty, just a bad person, when
you were allowing the life to make you a hardened,
evil person, that's how you will live your life, and
that's how it will be you affect people.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
And right there, right there, we can see that.

Speaker 5 (17:40):
Everybody online was like Hohl Colgan di m exactly from
the store whole Cogun died, Yeah, I mean who Cogun died?
And what else is on TV? Did you see the news,
the latest news. They didn't care.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
But you know who also got it wrong.

Speaker 5 (17:59):
US Weekly believe that was. I want to say it
was you get US Weekly and I don't want to
but they allegedly until I get that them correctly. But
a publication published a photo saying rip too Cosby Show
actor Malcolm ja maul Warner, and they put up Julia White.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
What the white?

Speaker 3 (18:24):
But here's the kicker. They had it on there. It
was and let me see you this week.

Speaker 5 (18:30):
They had it on there for over twenty four hours.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
So listen to me and listen to me.

Speaker 5 (18:36):
Good they utilized, They utilized the the around Malcolm's passing,
and they knew if we post the wrong photo, it'll
bring in a lot of traffic on this post. It
had to be that because all of the people who

(18:58):
commented underneath it, and they still it up for.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Over twenty five hours.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
They still kept it up over or twenty four hours
and kept up Jialil kept up Julia's picture and said rip.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
So here's the problem with that.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
These publications will use will use the likeness the image
of somebody else or whatever for clicks and for likes
and disrespect, especially if it's a black person, but we
hardly really see those errors happen when it's a white
person passing. So the disrespect to not only Malcolm but
to Jalil absolutely not. Julia's still living, okay, and the

(19:43):
I'm realizing that the clicks and the likes and all
the things are becoming Yeah, that's the post are becoming
more where the more you get the clicks, the more
money you'll garner, because clicks are of course they equate
a coin.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
And that's what happened.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
They put up long enough to get as many clicks,
to get as many things, and that is about it.
After that, somebody who I guess everybody was upset with this,
people who were very much using Malcolm and what happened
with Jalil with us weekly.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
They got it wrong because what they were doing is.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
When hul Cogan died, they put Jaleel's picture and said,
Hule Colgan just died and put Jalil's picture.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
And I said, no, we're not gonna do it that way.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
We're not gonna do it that way because Jalil is
again it is still living. If what we're gonna do
is put hate with hate, you're gonna say Hull Colgan
died and put up a picture of the bounty hunter. Right,
that's what you're gonna do. That's how you're gonna do it.
Stop using and and this is the same structure. You're
gaining clicks the same way US Weekly did by doing
it that way while you're trying to think that you're

(20:53):
trying to say that you're making a point and you're not,
and you're not.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Uh So, put some respect on Jalil white name. And
that's where I met with it. I'm sorry you guys.

Speaker 7 (21:02):
Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
I read my mouth for about an hour.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Just now, go ahead, go ahead, Jameson.

Speaker 8 (21:09):
My whole thing is is the person that's behind their
marketing or their pr whoever did that.

Speaker 7 (21:16):
I'm just like, how do you mess that up?

Speaker 6 (21:18):
You know?

Speaker 5 (21:18):
Getting purpose?

Speaker 8 (21:20):
That was definitely no purpose? You know, damn well that's
not no macause, Jama. You've been around long enough to
know that. And if you don't, then if you've been
under a rock that long, you.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
M yeah, yeah. Now for me, some of them just
need their ass beat.

Speaker 6 (21:38):
M h.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
I just if I just keep it like, because when
you do stuff intentionally for money, you need to reap
what you've sown and so whoever concocted that idea the
whole platform somebody, you know, Anonymous, need to crash their
entire website, you know what I mean, a d doss
attack and just make them lose as much money as
they gained by playing this game. But I want to
I want to circle back to Jamal Malcolm Jamal Warner, who,

(22:04):
by the way, was named after I didn't realize he
was named specifically intentionally after Malcolm X. But there was
there's a couple of clips of him that I want
to share. One of them real quick was the last
post before he was on his way to Costa Rica,
where he unfortunately passed away, and just here like this
brother was to me, what's special about this brother was

(22:29):
the fact that he managed to be at the top
of America's empire media. You know what I mean, to
grow up on NBC, you know, the biggest show in
the country as a teenager in New York City, and
not once did you hear a story of him like

(22:51):
losing the plot, you know, you know, crashing out. He
didn't have to have he didn't have a redemption art
because he just held the lines. Freddy is a good
decent dude, and you don't see that hardly at all. Like,
how many child how many children stars do you see
grow up healthy, happy and whole. But this brother did.

(23:12):
Let's listen to him real quick.

Speaker 7 (23:13):
Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 9 (23:19):
As I got the flower in my hair. There's my
daughter's birthday. She put the flower there, so I'm rocking it.
But it's a beautiful day here in Atlanta. I just
wanted to shout out and just spread and some good
cheer and you know, life, life is out here, lifeing
right for me and for everybody else. But I just

(23:40):
wanted to remind you as I remind myself that I'm
not what's going on.

Speaker 7 (23:45):
There's always a reason to smile, Like if you just
take a minute to stop, it takes stock. I guarantee
you can find that as one reason to smile.

Speaker 9 (23:54):
And if for some reason you can't find a reason
to smile, then that's why the best time to be
the reason for somebody else to smile. Pud smile for
yourself and be a reason for someone else to smile.
That's all I got within a minute, peace and love

(24:15):
and I'll be back.

Speaker 6 (24:17):
So mhm wow.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Who And if y'a don't mind. Let me just share
one more because he talked about his legacy and what
his legacy, what he thought his legacy should be or
would be, and what he said was it just floored me.
Take a listen.

Speaker 10 (24:44):
But also because my life, you know, those former years
were always about life beyond Cosby, right, So I feel like, Okay,
there's that legacy there. But then because I've had this
full life, you know, after that show, Uh, there's another

(25:04):
lane of legacy that.

Speaker 6 (25:06):
I get to leave and.

Speaker 7 (25:09):
I'm still working through that.

Speaker 6 (25:11):
There is part of me that I will.

Speaker 10 (25:16):
Be able to leave this earth, you know, knowing and
people knowing that I was a good person, you know.
And I talked to my dad, I talked to me
yesterday and what he said, he said to me often
you know, uh, you know people, you know, people love you,

(25:36):
and people are always talking about, you know, your career and
your success and.

Speaker 6 (25:40):
And all of that.

Speaker 10 (25:41):
He said, but what really makes me the most proud
is that you are a good person.

Speaker 6 (25:46):
You know.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
But I'm a good person because my dad's a good person.

Speaker 6 (25:51):
That's a whole other thing.

Speaker 10 (25:52):
Again, it is possible to walk through this world and
with all of the darkness in the world, is possible
to maintain your soul.

Speaker 6 (26:05):
And be a good person.

Speaker 5 (26:07):
It is definitely, definitely is yeah, man, you know we
lost a good person there. You know, this man died
in a way or passed in a way that was

(26:27):
very tragic, but left behind so much great once again,
and I just didn't hearing him speak about his family.
I seen a clip of him speaking before what he
thought that he wanted for his life. But when he
gave it a chance and you know, became a father
and all the things, his perspective changed. And so seeing

(26:49):
these clips go around and seeing the love attached now
talking about love his exit posts he does, how mess
people want to be the man just passed right, and
people don't understand that people have experienced other people. Is
it okay because we have social media to say other things.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
It's like showing up to the funeral.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
And being like, I once loved him too. It was
giving those type of vibes, but Malcolm saying hush. But
the one of the people that he used to be
on the show, I think it was Malcolm Eddi.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
I think he dated them briefly, and the person was.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Saying, you know, I love you.

Speaker 11 (27:25):
I loved experiencing you.

Speaker 5 (27:26):
I loved you in my life and a lot of
people online tried to make that the center of his passing.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Oh, he has a wife, He has a wife. He
has a wife. Of course he was with his wife, right, But.

Speaker 5 (27:35):
People have loved him before, people have experienced him before,
and the grieving of knowing that you loved someone in
they past, it's a tough one. It's a tough one
you can't even understand. So to make it about you know,
they social media will center and make the small stuff
that's in your mind. Sometimes keep it in your mind
because if the wife hain't got no problem with it.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
She's mourning. So it's this other person that wants to
experience him in love them. They're mourning.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
They're mourning.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Yeah, and that's all to me that matters.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
I know that it may be a thing and maybe whatever,
but people have experienced this person as well in different
ways and loved him, and to hear if his passing
I'm pretty sure devasting devastating.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, no, it's devastating to a whole bunch of people.
And one in the chat asked, you know, okay, what
your channel is that James, uh, this space? This one?

Speaker 8 (28:33):
Yeah, let me see if this and I don't know
how to do this right man, because it's down in
the trade. But it won't let me like share it.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Hang on, it's just let's see. Maybe it's just.

Speaker 7 (28:49):
There you go try that.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
There you go, ah yeah.

Speaker 8 (28:54):
Yeah, my my bad being good anyway, And that's all
I have to bring it in though.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
So the thing with me is it is rare to
be I thought, I thought, I hit play on that.
Oh that's the whole thing. Okay, yeah, it's rare for
someone to be in the Hollywood as long as he
was in Hollywood and be a good person. You know,

(29:22):
somebody in chat was like, you know, was he trying
to prove himself? Not trying to prove himself. It's just
like at a certain point in your life you look
back and say, I might not have a whole lot
of different legacy. I might not have a whole lot
of this. I may not help a whole lot of that.
But I managed to walk through this evil world and
still be a good person and not take advantage of

(29:42):
people and not you know, abuse that. There's another clip
and I'm not gonna play it here. I played another
time where he was with Terrey I don't know Terrey's
last name, or if I even need to give his
last name, but the German, uh yeah, the one with
the hair, and and he was talking about how out
at the height of the Cosby Show he was in

(30:03):
New York City, and Terrey was like, man, I bet
you the women were throwing themselves at you. I bet you.
You know you had the pick of the litter. Like
Terrey was really trying to gas him own talk about
like all of his exploits, and he was like, he said,
I had access, but that meant I could be particular.
He said that meant that I could be selective. I didn't.
I wasn't just running up on anything and everything all

(30:25):
the time. And I said back, and I thought about that.
I'm like, dude, this guy had literally any He could
have any woman that he wanted, but he chose to
carry himself in a way that was honorable in Hollywood
in the eighties. Looked the way he did exactly like.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
What man, you know that being he don't even know
like he was on the Cosby Show at the ages
that he was to him being on the Resident and
becoming the heart throb. When the younger generation experienced who
he was, you know, and so when you are good
at seeps through your pores, through your soul, through all
of those things. But I'm sorry, and I said to

(31:07):
Ray Roberts, to Ray Roberts, is actually part of the
t p H ministries, the one is.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Used to be on a news journalist.

Speaker 6 (31:20):
He used to be.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Used to be on MTV, was MTV journalist.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
Now he's he'd be online saying some sideway stuff all day.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
But yeah, I know, you know tool.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
So I think it is. I think it honestly. I
think one of the most enduring things about his legacy
is the fact that he was a black man in
a system where I mean, and this is not to
knock and I and I hate to do the comparison
and the juxtapositions, especially when it's with black people, but
you look at his arc literally compared to Bill Cosby.

(31:52):
You could just compare to Bill Cosby. I don't even
have to bring in Will Smith and his whole story
about how he was he was smashing so many women
and that he just got sick. He's just like Nazis
to his stomach because he was sleeping with that. Like
when you have access, you have power and platform and
then you and you still choose to do the honorable
thing that is rare. And that's what I think is

(32:16):
what he's saying there, not just in terms of women,
but in terms of how he treated people, in terms
of how he rolled for the culture. He did not
lose one step. In fact, he only deepened his connection
with the culture. He didn't have the most famous career
after the fact, but he also didn't go and sell
out in order to get a career. He just set
event for nobody. He did not buff dance for anybody.

(32:38):
What he did was he rode for the black culture
to the very end. Everywhere he went, he represented Black
people in a way that he would be proud and
in a way that we could be proud. So so, yeah,
I think it's most significant for his memory to be
that of a good man.

Speaker 5 (32:53):
Yeah, even cosby himself had I think spoken with a
journalist locally and all all you could say was good things,
even and even regarded as regard he said that anytime
he was on the show, he would go and study.
He would go study his lines, he would go do

(33:14):
school work, he would go That's what he would do
and make sure he was the best at his craft
and at a.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Very young age. Again he was a producer.

Speaker 5 (33:22):
He took that time on The Cosby Show and did
a lot with it. So you know, shouts out to
the people who who he got, who were blessed to
have him, and but stories about him that like, you know,
so jealous because I feel like that that you were
blessed to have him in your in your orbit an era.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
I mean, think about that. Whole era is gone now
And I got to get another clip. This one is
from uh the podcast reliving single have you have you
been seeing?

Speaker 8 (33:50):
Oh my gosh with with Sinclair.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
Not sing Claire saying with you know, I don't know
they names no, no, Maxine and uh.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
And uh Kyle, Kyle Barker, Kyle Barker.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
But why am I getting it? And I want to
binge watch that show? But so many times? But yes
Kyle Boker and Maxine? Right Maxine at.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
All Maxine show? So she.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
Because she didn't after so find the clip as I
just lead into it, but she actually you just listen,
just listen to it.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Oh you want to hear though? Okay, So in this clip.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
You know, these are actors speaking about working with other
actors and and in this, like you said, there was
an end of an era, an end of an era
specifically for them, because when they left, this was around
the time where we had living single and then we
had friends. Friends was chosen first, Friends was chosen as
they go to and and there were no opportunities and
she's gonna speak about this in the in this piece,
there are no opportunities get into these people. So once

(35:01):
they left the show, it was basically no contact, no relationship.
I know that she did work with him, but then
it was like that was her because the relationship was
so pure. That was her person when it came to comedy,
when it came to like with within the show, when
it came to comedy, just when it came to knowing
herself within the aspect of Hollywood, and she has she

(35:24):
shares that with him, you know, about that relationship and
how you know he was such a pivotal person in
her life and affected who she was and how she
thought about the space. And they shared that moment, and
I think that's that how she's talking to him is
how people feel about Malcolm as well.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yeah, And the other thing though, I want to make
sure people because I know you I know you know this,
but I want to make sure people know this. Friends
copied off of Living Single. Yes, Friends came after Living Single.
That's number one. The number two. They cut Kyle's role
in the last season and brought in some and again

(36:04):
I hate it's not pitting black people against black people,
but the role that they had that brother play was
kind of foolish and it didn't represent the charisma and
the style and what Kyle represented. They replaced him, just
like they got rid of James Evans on good Times.
They're gonna always target a key black male role in

(36:24):
particular and get rid of them. And this is what
Maxine is reflecting on how doing her job after that
was almost impossible because of what they what they had together. Brother,
I missed you.

Speaker 12 (36:40):
You were my comedy partner, yes, and so doing things
without you was weird. Yes, she didn't even know how
to be Max without you.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
You know, like it's part of her.

Speaker 12 (36:56):
The architecture of Max exists inside of a conversation and
a duel with a man named TC Carson who's playing Kyle.
And it was like somebody might have just like take
your twin, rip your soul out of you, and then

(37:19):
say go, and more importantly as my comedy partner like
fred Asterai Neis' Ginger. I just want to let you
know that you were the best partner, comedy partner I
gotta ever have, and the fact that we are star
crossed in November nineteenth.

Speaker 7 (37:35):
It's too many things, So.

Speaker 12 (37:38):
I just want to let you know thank you for
being that partner for me and more importantly our love
and our brother since you were outstanding and you continue
to be.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah, see what they take. Look look what they stole
from us, y'all, see what they took from us. They
constantly take take these things. They can't let these architect
they can't let these characters remain, you know, because there's
too much. It's like we literally are what we see,
whether people admit it or not. But what we view

(38:11):
and what we consume in media is what we shape
our lives after. Sometimes we reject an image, but sometimes
we embrace it. Right, And a lot of people grew
up wanting to be like THEO A lot of people
grew up and they wanted to be Downtown New York,
living single, like the whole crew from Living Single. They
wanted to be these people, and they shape their lives
after them. And then on the other side, you have

(38:32):
people who look and say, oh, I want to be
Donald Trump, and they shape their lives after Donald Trump.
But they look who they keep up, and look who
they take down. They take down the James Evans, they
take down the Kyle Barkers, they erase you know, basically,
we can't even watch THEO, Like where's THEO on television anymore?
Like that's gone. Partly part of that is because of
Bill Cosby himself, but that's a whole different conversation. But

(38:55):
look what they replace us with. You know what I mean,
we don't we don't have these shows anymore. What do
we have? We have reality and.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
You have Sorry I think they are replaying it on
one of the channels, Like what I'm.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Saying, don't we don't have? What current shows do.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
We have that have those? No, we don't have anything,
because that's and that's on purpose.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
Look at the show even if they're newer shows that
are more innovative, that are more current, modern shows that
center black people, that have positive effects on us, whether
it's shows where we are the investigators or we are
just perceived in such a different way, a positive way,

(39:32):
and when I say a different way because this is
usually our regular lives. But they're proceed we're perceived in
positive ways. Those shows are usually canceled. Back then, they
only wanted it was one of those things where it
was one space and if we did have our black
if we did have anything black one television, our black shows,

(39:54):
our black movies, but specifically our black shows, they would
put it in a way where we had to watch
it at night. Same way and we're gonna get to
this conversation too, but the same way that they did
with gospel music and uh, you know Christian white Christian music.
They would make Christian white Christian music all day and
either on the weekends or at eleven pm at night,

(40:15):
they would play the black, the gospel, anything that was black,
and on television throughout the week we would get the
shows like when he was older, the Malcolm and Eddie,
the One on One, the All of Us, the Moesha.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Oh my Gosh, you come back, Parker's.

Speaker 5 (40:37):
Uh you know, all of these shows, you know would
come on at nighttime, even with Tyra Banks being a
host of a show that we were all obsessed with
it over but anything that was black related would come
on in the night or like after hours, and we
wouldn't get any playbacks once you saw it.

Speaker 8 (40:58):
That was the that was the now well, I will
say the show that you named, A lot of those
shows were prime time.

Speaker 7 (41:06):
Yeah back in the day, but.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Now it came on at night on primetime television.

Speaker 8 (41:13):
But like that between that that seven to nine, seven
to ten was the prim.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Mostly not at seven eight pm.

Speaker 5 (41:22):
Remember them on UPN before c W it was UPN
and even.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Going to UPN, even going to UPN from NBC, right
it was they narrowed it down, lower and lower and
lower and lower. In terms of like how many collective
like these used to be events. This used to be
where everybody set Black people all around the country would
sit around and watch. I mean millions of us would
sit around and watch Cosby at the same time, and
then we all talk about it the next day. Millions

(41:48):
of people will watch the Different World at the same time,
talk about it the next day, say such.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
A successful show, sorry man, but such if we're talking
about living single, it was such a success. But they
being then they were on prime time, they decided to
go another route. They decided to go with friends. I
worked in what was that the NBC Universal Store when

(42:19):
I was back in my little days working in New York,
and I worked in the NBC Universal Store when I
was interning for them, and they made uz do slavery work.
So working there and getting paid nothing, I saw how
much people obsessed over.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Friends. They would come and shop for things like the couch.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
Pivot, pivot pivot, you know, when they were doing the
couch and the couch got stuck. I watched that episode
in real time, and I didn't think it was that funny.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Sue me uh.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
And I watched m Living Single Again as an adult,
relatable still to this day, and I loved everything again.
How the representation. You had a lawyer m hmkay, Maxine Shaw,
attorney at law. You had Uh, a journalist, a magazine

(43:19):
owner who had her own business the ups and downs
and still made it work.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
You had a plumber who was very nutsye niggas were Mike's.

Speaker 5 (43:30):
There was a plumber in the house that was making
money okay, had a plumbing business okay.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
And then you had Regime.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
We know her. She she was getting the man, she
was doing what she needed to do, she was working
her beauty, she was she was handling that also an
entrepreneur of all sorts.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
She was.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Very quietly and discreetly and honorably.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yes, yes, very she was going.

Speaker 5 (44:00):
If this is back in the day, she would have
got that money in the problem manner that that white
lady had got from Shanna Shark.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
But that's just back in the day. She all and
all she needed to do was be beautiful.

Speaker 5 (44:11):
Regiene had it, Okay, she had it.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
But cla Clair was she?

Speaker 5 (44:19):
Yeah, she was so used to having everything and you know,
just being so sweet and having things together ended up,
you know, following in these relationships that were just happening.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
But she went to school. She was somebody who was the.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Cousin of.

Speaker 5 (44:34):
I don't know, nobody named the cousin the.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Cousin of Queen of Oh her name just escaped.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
I'm not yeah, my mind is not there.

Speaker 5 (44:44):
But was the cousin of queen and teeth And I know,
I know the chat is eating me up over here.
But literally we had moments and nobody in this whole thing,
nobody in this whole thing, why not come on back?
No nobody in this whole show, you know, and you

(45:06):
even look Kyle's behind an artist and create a creative
early on before what we see it as right now.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Actually he was a Wall Street broker.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
And yeah, a broker made money. But remember he went
through the phase.

Speaker 5 (45:21):
Yeah and then and then my funny Valentine.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
He still singing to this day.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
He sings it up here up the street, right here
in the in the city. He sang it, and I
see him sing it not too Yeah, yeah he's still
singing it.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
But next time you see him, I need you make
that connection because I needed I need to do some
voice over work with that. He's available.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
He's available, he's been before. He got connected with Tyler
Perry recently, that man.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
But he just be.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Outside around town. Yeah he does.

Speaker 5 (45:51):
There's a lot of jazz shows, you know, all the things,
very earthy like, very down to earth vibes, all the things.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
But uh, that show I want.

Speaker 5 (46:01):
My point was they showcased black people of a certain aide,
and especially these are coming out of college and finding
their lives and living together the way that you'd be
saying that people should do being living together.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Because they're living single.

Speaker 5 (46:15):
Living together, figuring out their lives and doing it in
a way where they can even though they have all
these great jobs and are taking all these opportunities. They're
doing these things in a way where it's community.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
That's right, community learning.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
From each other.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
There were different they had fights and all this stuff,
but they weren't being shown as poor, selling themselves or whatever.
And if they did, it was always like a lesson
learned or something.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Yeah, No, they were they were they again And I
hate to always go so deep with it, but what
what what America realized was, Snap, there's a huge aut
for money to be made off of black people. Let's
put up some black shows. And so they put up
black shows that were just like good black shows, authentic.

(47:09):
They had black writers. They finally came along, got some
black writers. And I mean it started well before Good Times,
but I think Good Times was a really interesting flashpoint
because that's what's happening. That's when they started to realize, oh,
wait a minute, we can't let people see not just
a positive image of black folks, but a positive image

(47:29):
of black folks who are surviving despite poverty, still had
family joy despite poverty, you know what I mean, despite
living in the ghetto. On Good Times, they still had
a family unit. So they got rid of James and
then they saw you come forward to Living Single. You
have all of these brilliant black people represented, Like you said,
thank you for pointing out that Overton was a plumber, right,

(47:52):
but he was successful, a successful plumber, ran his plumbing
business and had respect right next to his roommate who
was a Wall Street broker, you know what I mean.
And so you had all these intermixing connect relationships and complexities,
and they all represented the most positive look of blackness
that could exist in the middle of an empire, in

(48:14):
the middle of a nation that used to enslavers. Of
course they start ripping these things down because it's black
people start modeling that and having the expectation of that
and seeing it visually every single week, over and over
and over again. That's a problem. That's a problem when
you have a system that's built off of our destruction,
not off of our success.

Speaker 8 (48:33):
They say, all the black shows throwing the game popularity
and showing too much positivity.

Speaker 7 (48:39):
Just think about it.

Speaker 8 (48:39):
You had Family Matters, them, Single, had Cosby Show Martin.

Speaker 7 (48:45):
It was so dang on many of them that when
all that all that was going on.

Speaker 5 (48:50):
Friends, the Fresh and if we're talking about like the
shows that would come on Disney and stuff like Raven,
even the black I was thinking about this. Anytime we
saw ourselves positively shown even within predominantly white spaces, that's

(49:12):
so Raven. Was a black family Matters was great, but
that's so Raven on the Disney Channel. We know Disney
Channel to be white, and that's so Raven. Sister Sister
a smart guy. Those shows that came out, and they
blessed my life so much because in all of those shows,
the father was working hard, the father was present, the

(49:34):
mother was president.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
If the mother wasn't president, the father still did.

Speaker 5 (49:36):
What he had to do and didn't look like a
you know, a beat dad whatever they call it. What
does it beat d had going crazy today?

Speaker 3 (49:45):
But a deadbeat father or whatever.

Speaker 5 (49:47):
The Coop hanging with mister Cooper, all the things that
we had in the space was it just showed actual
black living outside of what they tried to make us
look like Brandy in Moesha like all of this, I
ain't even gonna purnt you.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
The Steve Harvey Show.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
These were things that we watched and we can still
watch back. There are and they are them shows that
I didn't care for, but I still watched. But seeing
like when I when I mentioned that, so Raven, I
mentioned that because in the space, Raven came out and
gave us something to look forward to as Okay, we
got somebody black in this space, not somebody that is ambiguous, right,

(50:30):
she comes we know she comes from with the Cosby
Show as well. She could like she just has her
presence all throughout. But she made a really huge mark
where she became the face of Disney at once of Disney,
not just the black face, but the face of Disney
was black at one point.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
And it wasn't even Sins Sisters. Sis Sister was huge.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
But Raven came and she took every spot, singing, commercials, dance, clothing,
all the things. When we Cheetah Girls, the original Cheetah
Girls came from the surrounding Raven and they took a
whole girl group that was already created and put it
with Raven.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
We got the Cheetah Girls. So she was a brand
in herself.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Call her what you want today, still holding down over
she sees one of the key voices. She does so
many voiceovers in in uh Big City Greens and a
whole lot of social like she's She's the reason I
think Disney is still even relevant right now with.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
A different world.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
That woman who played I Forget, who does the voiceovers
as well, does Susie does.

Speaker 7 (51:39):
The one from Tiny Twos as well. What was her name?

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Summer pre summer?

Speaker 7 (51:46):
Oh, it was so good seeing her elementary too.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
You know what's interesting, These people don't get enough credit.
People will be like, oh, you know everything on TV.
When we grew up, we had a mix of everything
on TV. We would know where we can see ash
shaking on this day, we would know where we can
find some good family black content. And I'm talking about
before Tyler Perry. Tyler Perry is not the creator of
good family content. There was a time where he came

(52:10):
in for some good family content, some good family movies,
and now he's actually the supplier of the opposite these days. Yeah,
it's crazy and so, but he has I'm not gonna
lie that project Straw very good. Ten out of ten
will recommend the voice Sister Divorced Sisters is better than
the rest of the Sisters thing that he's doing with

(52:31):
a team of answers to himself.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
And it still needs some help. But Tyler Perry, you know, doing.

Speaker 5 (52:36):
What he does, we can't just it's because we lean
so much into Tyler Perry as our god all throughout.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
You see the things that we named.

Speaker 5 (52:44):
And that was these are different generations over time that
we all can say we watched. We all can say
we can rent upon these days. The things that are
out or the things that are trying to be uh,
that they're they're forcing us to consume are things that
don't make us look good. There are things that actually
are not our actual living are they stereotypes that are

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brought to life and sometimes through the eyes and the
lens of someone who looks just like us.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Crazy business.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
But also.

Speaker 5 (53:16):
We're seeing so much where we can't even control how
we're being seen that the younger people believe that's the
only way that we're being seen. Yeah, that's the only way.
That's the only way we are uh. And they are
they go with it so problematic that we're absolutely seeing
this problem leak into the realm of a I and

(53:38):
the stereotyping that AI does when it comes to black people.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
I have not seen a Bill Well.

Speaker 5 (53:44):
And when I say the Cosby's I'm talking about the
Cosmi Show itself, not Bill Cosby.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
We know we don't won't do.

Speaker 5 (53:49):
We won't do Bill Cosby, but the Cosby show itself
and what that wrong. I am not seeing any AI
that's made that relates to that. When we're talking about
like if we want to because they're trying to have
the two thousands vibes. I'm not seeing anything like Raven
or uh Moesha or the Parkers or anything like that shown.

(54:10):
When it comes to AI, AI is depicting all black
people as hood. I seen they put in a Christian
church the AI depicting a man with like his whole
growing area as a pastor. Just it looks very real speaking,
and it's stuff that's not biblical, like just all the
made it such a thing where everybody online believe it

(54:32):
to be real. I seen where they had a young
girl doing a facial thing and they made it sexualized,
like like I seen where a.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Commercial took.

Speaker 5 (54:45):
A full picture, somebody else's picture, somebody an artist, a
photographer's picture, and put it within their commercial, depicting black
people as whatever they're trying to depict it as. I
see where you see men and the black men are
either going to be sexualized as well or looking or

(55:07):
sounding a certain type of way. And the truth is
we grew up. That's why our accents were very, very
very authentic growing up, because we've seen it everybody depicted
and shown as they were or you know, as we
know in our living to be where it was very relatable.
Now everything is one way and one way only, and

(55:29):
it's the way white people see black people. And that's
how we're seeing it shown, and that's how we're seeing
younger black folks just run into and and and and
become themselves. Sorry.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
It's also it has also become another way that white
folks can make money off of black folks without paying
black folks money. Right They're making black images, black models,
black everything, black culture, and they're using AI to do it,
and so they get to steal our culture without even
paying absolutely that you know, they it's not that they

(55:59):
ever paid as well in the first place, but now
they get to take it and not give us anything.
But I want to circle back to the other thing,
like the representation that we see online now just just
look at and sometimes we like shows just because there's shows.
Look at bel Air versus Fresh Prince Fresh prints of
bell Air the original versus bell Air the remake. And

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I know everybody was like really interested in it because
it went viral. At first, it's just kind of an
idea of a dramatic, dramaticized version. But they they've taken
the story and they've made like everybody like kind of
twisted except for Will's character. Right. They made Carlton a
drug addict. They made the whole thing is hyper sexualized. Oh,

(56:42):
I mean it's like really, and then you take another
show like All Stars. I don't know if you've ever
seen that on I think Netflix and one of these platforms,
and it's like they've remade what the aspiration for black
people can be, to not be a healthy family, but
a broken and family, to not be successful and happy,

(57:03):
but to be successful and miserable. Right, And so they've
taken out all of the redeeming values of what what
the you know, not that the shows back in the
nineties were perfect. Certainly that they weren't and the people
weren't perfect, but what they were communicating and transmitting to
us was something that was aspirational. And now the aspiration
is to be rich and miserable, to be rich with

(57:25):
a broken family, to be rich on drugs. Yeah, so
that's what they're selling us now.

Speaker 5 (57:31):
Somebody asked them the comment, why are they talking about
AI so often?

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Are they talking about us? Talking about AI so often?
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (57:40):
Okay, look, got okay, that's how I read it. Why
are we talking about as I wasn't sure before. I
just want to if you are talking about us, I
think it's important that we actually do, if that's where
you were going with it, that we actually do have
the conversations when it comes to AI, because who's controlling
AI are white people, and they're taking our likings likeliness,

(58:01):
uh and and and monetizing off of it, capitalizing off
of it. And they are showing black people the way
that they view us or the way they want us
to be received in the world. And and and that's it.
It's one way. And that's it. You're not gonna see,
uh the if it's a you're not gonna see an
at home black woman who is dressed a certain kind

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of way, takes care of the children, even though I
don't want that to be a thing, but we don't
see them that way. We're gonna see even if it's
an at home mom, someone talking in a certain way,
Nail's probably like mine or you know, and and and
having an accent and sexualized. I've seen the white AIS
and they're giving, they have jobs. They're not gonna show
them as a white couple at a a Cold Play

(58:44):
concert committing adult treat.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
They're not gonna do that. They would never do that.
But they would have black people out here cussing out.

Speaker 5 (58:50):
Somebody at McDonald's saying, that's my why you ain't pick
up the baby, why you ain't do all that? And
it's AI. And you know who put that out and
put it together. A white person put that prompt into
the AI to create it because that's how they perceive
black people.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
And what's gonna go viral.

Speaker 5 (59:06):
It's gonna cause black people to start having conversations underneath
that post, underneath that video, and we're gonna be talking
about us us, how we look at us, how we
view us, and how you know it's gonna believe that
it's real. I remember when AI first came out, they
used to force people to put this is AI, or
there was a fourth there were only there were only

(59:26):
there was an extra finger, or there would something to
make you real. He had to do that, you had
to do that on the air. Now then there's Donald
Trump just uh with Obama. Yeah, the other day he
was talking about how recently that he does it's woke AI.
You know, he doesn't want a He wants AI to

(59:47):
be as free as as possible, but he also does
not want it to have like liberal things or talk
to people in a certain way. He says he doesn't
want it to be called artificial anymore because it's not artificial.
He wanted to be just it's an intelligence, and he
just wanted to be that no rules, nothing surrounding it
and just making it free for all to create, but

(01:00:09):
also limiting it at the same time. About its liberal
thoughts or liberal to him is when it's the AI
is actually computing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Things and saying, you know what, Trump is wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
He considers that to be a liberal thought.

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
And if Trump is saying that the babies and Gaza
should be obliterated, should be flat lines and you put
that into chat GBT and Chat says, I'm sorry, No,
Trump is absolutely wrong. Donald Trump is saying that that
response is a liberal response, and we have to stop,
you know, associating himself with that. And you know, yeah,
but if you have that clip been, I think you said.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
You're gonna pull it not the original. For some reason,
I thought it would be easy to find.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
That was me just talking until you pulled up. Let's
find it.

Speaker 8 (01:00:54):
Go ahead, James about saying I sent you a clip
to being about this AI, because this really getting out
of hand.

Speaker 7 (01:01:02):
Real bad.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Mm hmm is it playing?

Speaker 7 (01:01:07):
Oh no, it's in Twitter.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Boy. If you don't drop these things in the chat,
I can't.

Speaker 7 (01:01:15):
It never dropped right and where you're where you're dropping
at either one?

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Either one is fine.

Speaker 8 (01:01:23):
I'm lost because when that's Tarted dropping the head, it's
like never shears shows that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Oh there we go.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
I found the clip though, Ben for you, I mean
this would that.

Speaker 7 (01:01:44):
Sound to be no, But it's all AI.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
One more time, let's try.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
The stunning development Canada has declared war on the United States.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Let's go to Joe Braxton, who is live at the border.

Speaker 11 (01:01:59):
I'm currently the border, but there is no war, Mom Dad,
I know this looks kind of real, but it's all AI.
Thank you for sharing. Fine, this is just AI. You
don't need to wire money to anyone. I am not
in love with you, and I do not need your

(01:02:20):
money for a plane ticket. I am AI. This fake
moon landing footage isn't classified.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
It's AI.

Speaker 11 (01:02:28):
You're probably wondering how I got rich with crypto. The
truth is I didn't get rich off crypto.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
I don't even exist.

Speaker 6 (01:02:36):
You might be able to tell this is fake now,
but it's going to keep getting better. Bru.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
There could be aliens, but I'm not one of them.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
AI.

Speaker 11 (01:02:52):
An herbal supplement did not cure my cancer.

Speaker 7 (01:02:55):
I'm not even real, Uncle Fred.

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
Government has not been taken over by wizard people. You
don't need to send us five thousand dollars in gift.

Speaker 7 (01:03:05):
Cards, jury duty, Grandma.

Speaker 11 (01:03:09):
It's not real.

Speaker 5 (01:03:10):
It's a I. It's a I.

Speaker 11 (01:03:12):
It's a I.

Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
Bro, it's AI, fake faces, real consequences. Think before you trust.

Speaker 11 (01:03:24):
Okay, then I dropped that it was all a I too,
So can we even trust?

Speaker 6 (01:03:31):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
I thought I muted it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:32):
I dropped the link that Donald Trump had shared five
days ago that included that included former President barackobas.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Run this one boom boom bam boom. And I don't
I mean this mute that so we don't get unnecessarily.
So this is and this is what Trump. This is
what Trump shared from his play page.

Speaker 6 (01:04:06):
See.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
The thing is, though they think they know what here's
the reason we talk Another reason we talk about AI
so much in this channel is quite as a skip.
I'm the God of AI, folks, not God. I'm the
god King of AI. They haven't seen anything in terms
of what we could do. They're impressed by these little

(01:04:26):
videos and yes, so y'all just stay tuned because we
you know, we gonna And I think here's the other thing.
We on the left absolutely better start using AI. I
know that it is detrimental to the environment right now.
I know two things about that. Number One, it does

(01:04:48):
not have to be detrimental to the environment right now.
They're intentionally building it that way because they're maximizing their profits.
AI literally does not have to be as detri mental
to the environment as it is. That's number one. Number Two,
if we leave it in the hands of the right
and conservatism and MAGA and fascist, they're going to continue

(01:05:12):
doing two things, destroying the environment with it when it
doesn't have to, but then destroying society with it because
that's how they're using it as a tool. If the left,
if we don't get out there and get in front
of using AI the correct way, then that's checkmate for
humanity and I'm serious, like, like, there's no look at
how look at how Israel is using AI in Gaza.

(01:05:32):
They literally have one hundred percent surveillance over Gaza. There's
no movement that can take place in Gaza because they
have satellites drones, and those satellites and those drones are
intersecting with are intertwined with AI, and so they can
track every person's face. Every one of those two million
people that are starving and dying right now, they know

(01:05:53):
where they are, they know their face, they are able
to track it because they have AI. And then they
also use it to target people. They're using artificial intelligence
to make decisions about targeting and then the drone automated
goes out and kills that person. So it's not even
it's not even just soldiers now that are killing people.
They're using AI with drones to go and kill people.

(01:06:14):
This is not going to go the other way. It's
not going to turn around and go backwards. It's only
going to go forward. And if the Left and we
don't get in front of it and gain control over it,
then that's checkmate, folks. There's no coming back from a
society like that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
No, And that's true.

Speaker 5 (01:06:29):
So as much as I don't like how AI to
me limits a lot of people's creativity in my perspective,
but I do think that if we don't get on it,
because the same way everything the technology has grown. People
thought the Internet wasn't going to be the internet. Remember,
people thought we weren't going to have social media. People
thought that we weren't gonna that little chip that we
were using. Now's the tap. Everything has changed and you

(01:06:52):
are going to have to start using it. AI is
now being a part of job's like job requirements when
it comes to what you're going to do, and so
get on it. It doesn't matter. Get on it now.
Don't do it to create your whole sermon. I've been
hearing a lot of people's sermons sound exactly the same
on Sunday movements.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Come on, if you don't know your word.

Speaker 5 (01:07:14):
And you can't you know, and you don't at least
just let chat GPT check it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
But you actually letting it rite up. And I heard
the same sermons a couple.

Speaker 5 (01:07:21):
Of times, not to y'all, but like, honestly, figure out
how it can help you make a coin before it's
in a position where you can't you ain't got no
access to it, or you don't know how to use it.
And it's the only thing that we have no control
on how fast it's It just got in our hands,
and mind you, has been out for a long time.

(01:07:41):
It's just gotten to our hands, and now it's everywhere.
I can tell chat GPT. I can tell the scripts,
I can tell the commercials that use it. I can
tell from the things that I'm watching right now, how
it is it's used with an acting and how they talk.
And because a lot of them, they're not looking for

(01:08:03):
the actors now who come from those areas or who
can be.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Changed their voice that way.

Speaker 5 (01:08:07):
They're just telling chat GPT to write in what is
the way children speak today? And now everybody and everything
is sounding the one way. But outside of that, that's
not stopping people from using chat GPT from building a business,
or from learning formulas or from some people use it
for therapy as therapists, and I don't know what you
like that too much, But some people don't have anybody

(01:08:28):
to talk to. They're learning from it what they could
learn for god knows how much that they can't pay
for through ch GPT. Of course, they're being made to
if you don't get on and figure out how to
make it work for you so that you can work
in the world. Because in the next few years, as
fast as it came, it will become the primary thing
that we use. I know, people are like, stop making

(01:08:48):
that thing. Y'all was saying that when they came to
the end of day, come up with y'all came to
vehicles in the touch screen. Remember y'all was saying all
these things, and they were forced on us in some
parts of New York.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
I remember, reverse cameras was not a thing when they
came with.

Speaker 5 (01:09:04):
The cars, so they made it a law because of
the car accents that happened there where you had.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
To purchase the rear view camera.

Speaker 5 (01:09:11):
They made it a law, and now all cars basically
are built with it.

Speaker 7 (01:09:15):
I changed you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Were you about to say something?

Speaker 8 (01:09:17):
Oh no, I was about to say, I'm about to
start taking prompting classes because I've been starting to use
it my damn self and just seeing some of the
stuff that it comes up with.

Speaker 7 (01:09:27):
Like, Okay, if you had if you.

Speaker 8 (01:09:29):
Knew how to put the right prompts and do everything
like it's supposed to, like, you really can build you
an empire.

Speaker 5 (01:09:36):
Oh. Absolutely, people are using it for the I've seen
people who started using chat gpt and they've made so
much money from how it's prompted them to curate their
pages and things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Now again, do I think.

Speaker 5 (01:09:52):
It's okay to whatever, But sometimes you need a little push,
you need a little help to for them people who
need to figure out how to put like, okay, this idea,
I don't know how to put it together. Chat GPT
will give you a couple of this what you mean,
that's what you mean?

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
It will.

Speaker 5 (01:10:06):
And remember just a year or two ago, I was like, hell,
not a chat GPT. It's forced them self in a
space where I gotta recognize what chattpt is doing, what
it is, but I got to recognize where AI can
benefit me and how I can use it. Because white
people are using it, then once they have it in
their hands, they're going to.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Use it as against More specifically, it's not just that
white folks got a white supremacist habit, white supremacist fascist habit.
Let me answer these couple questions. What does it mean
to gain control? What is control? Number one? The left
needs to have public AI, an AI that is not

(01:10:46):
corporate owned for the service of capitalism at the expense
of the environment. Nobody on the right, nobody in current
currently in America, nobody on the face of the planet
except deep Seek. Deep Seek has a version that I
think is going to be useful. But that's a whole
different conversation. That's over in China. In the United States
of America, they are never going to move in the

(01:11:08):
direction of public access, public owned artificial intelligence. Why because
the government just put half a trillion dollars into it.
Let me answer this next. So I mean when I
say get control over it, I mean get ahead of it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
In US nine billion that he just said he gonna
put into.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Five hundred billion, five hundred billion into a five half
a trillion dollars. So, folks, it's not going anywhere. Number One,
half a trillion dollars has been invested. Number Two, they've
just banned every state on the state level from regulating
AI by any means. There is no regulation that's going

(01:11:48):
to be allowed for the next decade over AI from
the state level. It is a free for all. Number Three,
they are all underneath the control over of people who
are die directly aligned with MAGA. Sam Altman over there
at chat GPT.

Speaker 6 (01:12:05):
He is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
He is just grabbing at the nutsack of Donald Trump
so he can get that five hundred billion dollars. So
if we don't, when I mean getting control over it,
I mean number one, use it better than everybody else,
and start using it now better than everybody else. Number two,
convert that into collectivizing a public AI platform. But then

(01:12:28):
let me address this one. That's what I mean. Ben
seems somehow obsessed with AI. We need to use AI
et cetera. No, it needs to be either regulated or banned.
It can't be salvage and listen, I don't really know
how long you've been a supporter, and I appreciate you
being here, but this is just ignorant. The reason this
is ignorant is because I remember when the automated self

(01:12:49):
checkouts came out and my thought was they got to
get rid of this because it's going to take away
jobs from the workers. And then I really, duh, that's
what they intend on doing. You can't turn around and say, oh,
look here is an evil thing that's being done and
being done to us and then say, okay, we got

(01:13:12):
to stop it. But the entire system is saying we're
not stopping it. We're going further and we're going faster.
And then to sit back and say no, it needs
to either be regulated or band They just put half
a trillion dollars into it and they just said that
it won't be regulated. So how does this position as
a talking point or even a thinking point do anything

(01:13:36):
other than push you in a corner and say, m okay,
your job is going to be replaced. The environment is
going to continue to be destroyed because the people who
have control over it intend on destroying the environment with it.
What are you doing that scenario? Get into a corner
and say I don't want to use it because it's evil,

(01:13:57):
or do you say, okay, if this is the new
playing field, if this is the new chess board, then
we beat them at it. That's not obsession with it.
That's being rational about the possibilities of the present.

Speaker 5 (01:14:10):
I'm sorry, I don't know that's a that's perfect. I
think that's a great place to in the AI conversation
because there's two more stories I really want to get to.
But to be honest, I was anti AI and I
still am. If it was to me in my house,
nobody would use AI but we have to make sure
that the way the world is going, we don't get
left behind. And we have to utilize the same tools

(01:14:32):
that they're gonna use white supremacists or these big old corporations,
and it's how Ben's calls them the oligarchs and all
of this. They are using them to replace people. Also
they are using them to take our likeliness and capitalize
off of it, or to poop spew out misinformation. And

(01:14:53):
we have to learn it so that we can combat it.
And we also have to learn it because this is
gonna be the way of life very very soon. Because
in twenty twenty one a job everybody was skeptical and
there were so many different names and stuff for it.
And now it's that I wish we can ban it.
I wish we could be banned, but we already passed
that stage.

Speaker 8 (01:15:12):
We're saying, we're so, we're so past that now going
it's not going anywhere, y'all, folks.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
The federal government just put half a trillion, not half
a billion, half a trick, five hundred billion dollars into
artificial intelligence and said that the states can't regulate it,
it will not be banned, asking for it to be
banned is almost like asking for us to get all
fossil fuels. At this point, the system is so ingrained

(01:15:42):
in it. We have to beat them at it. That's
that's it. I don't know. I mean, y'all could shout.
I'm not one for shouting at the walls.

Speaker 6 (01:15:50):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
I'm not one to go out in the in the
in the in the wind and just shout at the
wind and feel better because of it. Now, man, we
got to do something about it. And the way to
do something about it is to take you know what
I'm gonna say, less y'all, watch what we do with it,
Watch what I do with it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:05):
Okay, So mind you use it, use it safely, whatever, AI,
We're still gonna have the conversations and I'm going to
actually do a video about how it's it is actually
environmental racism, how they're using it for that and where
it's going and if we don't take control of it's
that's all it's gonna be. It's very hurtful. AI is
hurtful to black people, but not because we're not using

(01:16:27):
it or anything.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
It is. Go ahead, Ben, because I see.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna crash out. But I
need to help y'all again. In what way are we
wrong about the issue of the situation, the lay of
the land. Please tell me how AI is going to
be banned. Please tell me how we're gonna walk this
back asking us to ban AI, Like we could just
go and flip the switch. Oh, we're gonna all go

(01:16:51):
to Washington, DC and protest against AI and they're gonna
listen to us and cancel AI as opposed to how
they're using AI and Gaza. They're more likely to use
AI to kill all of us with drones than they
are to cancel AI. So I just you know, this
whole thinking on the left, this thinking has to go.
It has to stop because it's self destructive, it's self defeating,

(01:17:13):
and we're gonna end up in the corner saying we
don't want to use technology. Meanwhile they're using technology to
destroy us. If that's the route y'all want to go,
I'm not gonna be in that club. I'm gonna use
technology to protect my family, to protect my people, and
to fight back against people who are using it to
destroy everything, including the environment. If there was a way,

(01:17:35):
and I'm gonna say this real quick, believe it longs.
I don't crash out if there was a wave that
we could take all of this AI that's currently destroying.
I mean, for every prompt, here's how bad it is.
For every prompt, you're pouring out a bottle of water.
Did y'all know that every prompt you use on AI,
it pours out a bottle of water. There are one

(01:17:57):
hundred million people who are using chat, GPT forth every
single manager. How many prompts that is? So is it
destructive to the environment, absolutely, but not doing it using
it as an individual? Is that going to do something
that's like you using a paper straw thinking you're saving
the environment. No, here's the alternative. There's absolutely a way

(01:18:20):
to use and build AI that does not require that
kind of destruction. Do you think MAGA and the right
wing is going to go that route? No, So who
has to go that route those of us who know
better and actually care about the environment. But you don't
get that. You don't go there by getting into a

(01:18:41):
quarter and say, folks, come on, man, this is we
gotta we gotta be we gotta be nimble in our thinking.

Speaker 7 (01:18:50):
And I want to read this comment from Ali real quick.

Speaker 8 (01:18:52):
It says Ai kept me alive during an eating disorder relapse.
It's a tool, helpful or harmful depending on the hands.

Speaker 7 (01:19:00):
Holding it, and that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Period.

Speaker 7 (01:19:03):
Friending on hands is holding it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
I agree, and that's that's a great point from David Morris.
In the environmental sense, it's like crypto, Yeah, it is.
Crypto is some one of the most devastating things to
a the environment that ever came around. Do you think
they backed down from it? No, they just put the

(01:19:27):
Federal Reserve just invested into crypto. Y'all, come on, you
know we're not going to beat them by saying and
swearing that it's bad. We know that it's bad, but
that doesn't mean that we sit back and just let
it continue being bad. We have to do something about it.
Absolutely and jump in there. Rebecca gone to that next door.

(01:19:49):
I'm trying that you.

Speaker 5 (01:19:49):
Don't own it with that big said, thank you for
the discourse on it. We are still going to continue
discourse throughout this time, just to at least prepare.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Us on how to use it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:00):
You know, my views are changing on it every single
day and how to protect black people pretty much with it.
When it comes to a not, and how we can
use it as a tool to save ourselves as well.
Now and then also you gotta stay ready so you
don't have to get ready.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
Okay, remember the internet.

Speaker 5 (01:20:17):
So we went from a CD that they were sending
us in the mail and the guy was actually free
for everybody, and we didn't even know it, and they
took it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
And now for it.

Speaker 7 (01:20:31):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (01:20:32):
And when the CD computer, it was a floppy disk.

Speaker 7 (01:20:41):
Yes, it was a floppy disk.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
Three people wasn't paying CD.

Speaker 5 (01:20:48):
It was all nice and shiny, and we were re
upp and because they were sending it for free, because
they knew what it would become in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
He was sending us the damn CDs for free.

Speaker 5 (01:20:59):
We never called them.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
They were sending it to our homes for free.

Speaker 5 (01:21:03):
Forcing but they forced people who didn't have a computer
to purchase a computer.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
So let's get for real. Let's talk about it, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:21:18):
AnyWho, with that being said, we have to find behavor,
We have to find sposed to be able to combat
white supremacy.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
White supremacists.

Speaker 5 (01:21:30):
Uh, there there are platforms and been these next two
stories are going to talk about. But these next two
stories are going to talk about they're going to be
talking about the problem of platforming, right. We're gonna talk
about it in the gospel commun community, and we're also
going to talk about it within politics itself. And it
actually took good hand in hand in some way, shape
or form. But this first one I want to talk
about is Jubilee. The platforms you believe which platforms Nazis

(01:21:56):
and white supremacists and they have conversations with political leader, journalists,
political public figures, and usually ones that are on the
opposite end of whoever's in the room, uh, of the
group of people they're talking to. And so in this one,
we uh these there's actually a few clips and I
grabbed one, I want to say, I grabbed one from

(01:22:17):
the latest oe with Meddi Hassan. So with this one
I think is the Daughter Uh No, it's not. Let
me let me pull it up for real. With this one,
I believe it's the Daughter of Well. I actually want
you guys to just watch it before I even say it.
So Ben, I'm gonna drop the clip right now in
the chat and before I even say because of the
it sells itself. So Meddi Hassan is speaking to these

(01:22:40):
people who are opposed, uh, to immigrants, to education, mostly
about immigrants. They centered the conversation about imigant because they
see a brown person in the room. If you guys
don't know who Meddia's hassan is, he's a public figure,
journalist within you know politics, you know.

Speaker 10 (01:22:55):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
And just Rebecca, you said, the video is not there. Yeah,
the conversations.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
Let me go pull it.

Speaker 5 (01:23:04):
That's this my comment right there, Let me pull it,
hold on right here.

Speaker 7 (01:23:08):
And why y'all doing that? I gotta run, y'all. I
gotta love you mean it. And I wanted to get.

Speaker 8 (01:23:14):
Into this conversation because when I tell y'all, I've been
watching these series and they have just been some of
the stuff I was gonna. I'm glad y'all showing it
because I actually was gonna send y'all that because it
really pissed me off.

Speaker 7 (01:23:28):
That white that that white boy that set in that chair, Like, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
I'm gonna I'm finding more clips. But go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
I love you.

Speaker 7 (01:23:40):
Les, all right, love y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
You who I put it in the chat?

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
All right, here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
Let's so, here's a piece of the medias on.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
And keep coming to your comment.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
Oh, here's the piece of the medicals on Jubilee.

Speaker 5 (01:24:02):
I want to say the segment he was the latest
to come on to their show. And if you guys
know the Jubilee platform, that's what they do. They they'll
put people with the posing views speaking to a leader.
And usually you'll see like candidates who are running for
something go sit and speak with people, even journalists to
work on different various news networks. You'll see public figures

(01:24:24):
and you'll see them sitting in the seat and they
could be on either side of it, but they'll be
in what's called like the hot seat, and they'll be
speaking to randoms and I say raydoms because it's like
constituents the people of the world who will sit and
speak with them. But the clip that I sent you,
which is in the chat, I want you to play
that first, and then I want.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
You to have reads coming up to your comment, the one.

Speaker 5 (01:24:46):
Know, the second one that I put in there. Oh
never mind, it might be still coming up to the still.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
He keeps going to your comment. Now, that could be
if they took down the video.

Speaker 5 (01:24:56):
Maybe they didn't, because I'm looking at it right now
and I really want you to play that. Can you can, Kenny,
can you pull up it on the threads on Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
Well yeah, y'all show you what it's shown me. Young on,
I'll show you what's showing me. This is the last
link that you just sent me, right, it just keeps
coming to your comment. Oh wow, is it not there anymore?
Look at you getting all that that?

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
Uh oh yeah, go viral variously on on on threads.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
Oh wait a minute, I'm not I'm trying to like it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:26):
Yeah, Oh you're not on threads.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
That's why, then, Jones, I ain't seen feminists.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
Yeah, Ben, that's why you ain't on threads, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
That's why you can see the video. Oh okay, Yeah,
it's too many.

Speaker 5 (01:25:40):
Let me go find this video for real, continue with
your life, play some of the clips, then we'll get.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
Yeah, I guess of these other clips over here? Here
go on a second, because.

Speaker 5 (01:25:53):
That's why.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Yeah, I mean, it's just too many platforms, like we
got we get tied every platform I'm on.

Speaker 5 (01:26:00):
Yeah, and I also want to talk about that particular
man on there that was speaking to him.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
But before we do that, I really want you to
play the clip.

Speaker 5 (01:26:06):
We'll play another clip, and I'm going to tell you
what happens when you platform these It.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Was the daughter of an immigrant, right, I remember her,
which which was crazy because I heard I could tell
she was an immigrant. She was the child of an immigrant.
Within the first three four words, she said, I'm like, yeah,
people worth it.

Speaker 5 (01:26:22):
We'll talk about that too.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
Her accent was she couldn't hide her accent, which is cool.
I think accents are beautiful. Right, I ain't one of
those people. But when you over here trying to attack
immigrants and you ain't but one one generation here she go, Okay,
I play the whole.

Speaker 11 (01:26:38):
Many American and both naturalized.

Speaker 7 (01:26:40):
I'm the ones born here and my employ.

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
My parents parents, my parents came as immigrants, became naturalized,
so I'm not necessarily child.

Speaker 11 (01:26:51):
Don't accept the immigrants of America, not at this moment.

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
Your parents America, at this moment citizens, they became naturalized.

Speaker 7 (01:26:57):
You just said you can't be citizens.

Speaker 5 (01:26:59):
I was born here and.

Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
I'm not azation against Are you against naturalization?

Speaker 11 (01:27:05):
I her settles against you began, You're very everyone is here.

Speaker 13 (01:27:08):
They can they can play it back on YouTube. You
said americans or immigrants? Are your parents americans or immigrants?

Speaker 11 (01:27:13):
No, my parents are are United States citizens, they are immigrants.
You said, no, they came here as immigrants, however.

Speaker 7 (01:27:18):
But that I came here as an immigrant at.

Speaker 4 (01:27:22):
This point when they came the United you're not happy
with the way this is going for the United States
economy was not at it's better now.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
The American economy is better than it's been for many years.

Speaker 11 (01:27:31):
And I can say that as somebody was like Donald Trump,
we make billions.

Speaker 4 (01:27:34):
And billions of dollars minority of minorities as well as
the reason.

Speaker 7 (01:27:38):
The economy is doing badly now, Donald policy with.

Speaker 11 (01:27:42):
Migrants, in fact, the commercial businesses.

Speaker 7 (01:27:44):
I'm an immigrant.

Speaker 14 (01:27:45):
I started a business, and I understand because immigrants giving
people millions.

Speaker 7 (01:27:48):
I didn't take any. I didn't take any you did.

Speaker 4 (01:27:52):
But i'stically speaking, they're giving billions.

Speaker 7 (01:27:54):
Should we do statistics?

Speaker 13 (01:27:55):
According to statistics, immigrants are eighty percent more like to
be entrepreneurs than native Americans, more like and start businesses
and higher Americans.

Speaker 11 (01:28:02):
I'm aware, right, Immigrants are more likely to pay.

Speaker 13 (01:28:03):
In taxes than benefits, and they're more likely to add
to innovation and jobs and wages.

Speaker 7 (01:28:09):
This is what the statistics show.

Speaker 11 (01:28:10):
The Congressional Budget Office.

Speaker 14 (01:28:13):
You come back in the Congressional Budget Office, which is
biparties and Republicans and Democrats both use it. They have
said that the immigration surge that you mentioned will lead
to an extra nine trillion dollars of GDP over the
next ten years. That amounts to sixty five thousand dollars
per American household. That's sixty five thousand dollars for each
and every one of you holding up a red flag.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
Oh pause, Mandy is so he's he won? First of all,
he is one of the most brilliant debates I've ever
seen ever in any time period. Like you know, I
watch on the spot. Oh my goodness, but he's also
petty as hell.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
Eddy and I love it. Listen on the Spot.

Speaker 5 (01:28:50):
I say that to say when I watched this, and
I wish we had the beginning of the conversation because
how it led in was very much you know why
you think immigrants supposed to be here when they're taking
our job to do? Listen, and that you know you
would have never she never said, but it's her. It's
people don't understand the proximity to whiteness. It makes you
believe that you are better than and you will always

(01:29:14):
be better than black and brown. You know why America
puts that belief into people, and and and so for
her proximity to whiteness with her immigrant parents moving here,
because everybody want to talk about Elis Island. You know
Ellis Island behind people still thrive better than the black
people who came here forced themselves on here are not

(01:29:34):
force themselves. They were forced here as slaves. So you
saying that you know your parents came here as immigrants.
It's always interesting to see it. And that's my point
when I made it, how they move and how the
definitions begin to change, and how the definitions aren't what
they're like, what they are actually are. When it applies

(01:29:55):
to white people, the definitions don't apply, uh, you know
they do. Process doesn't apply when it comes to brown
and black people. So she was labeling her parents as citizens. Meanwhile,
Mehdi is a citizen and was saying and using immigrant
for black and brown. We know immigrant is a definition,

(01:30:16):
but why are her parents not immigrants who came there
for a better life for the daughter and then him
who thrives, immigrant, works, pays taxes, does all the things.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
It is considered an immigrant. But she can't be her
family kid.

Speaker 5 (01:30:36):
And that's the proximity to whiteness, and how it makes
you believe that their due process is actually a due process. Meanwhile,
I am pretty much confident that the broad and black
who go through the due process have to go through
way more and it still is to the white immigrant,
not enough for them to be considered citizens, you know,

(01:30:58):
or to the white person, not enough for them to
be concealed American.

Speaker 6 (01:31:01):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:31:02):
So the other day I was speaking on the phone
with because I take care of a lot of things
for my parents there in an older age. And now
my mother, you know, she's been doing a lot of
jobs where she doesn't require her to write. I talked
about this or anything like that, where she doesn't have
to use computers. And now they're trying to do that.
So my mom is looking for another job where it's
not forcing her to do so, and she the man

(01:31:26):
said to me on the phone, I was working, you know,
alongside a lot of if you're an immigran child, you
know what I'm talking about, you know, helping out your
parents in this stuff in this way. But the man
on the phone was like, she's gonna need all this
this documentation. I said, oh, I cann't give that email
to you immediately. Then he said, we're gonna need her
like her information for her like residents or her Green
card or whatever. I said, she doesn't need that, she's

(01:31:48):
a citizen. They're like, uh, she's a citizen. And I said, well,
why aren't you getting I said, she's a citizen, and
they said, well, we're gonna need to see her voting
rights to confirm that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
She doesn't have to vote to be a citizen.

Speaker 5 (01:32:05):
My mother is a citizen, right because she has the
last thing that she has, because she has an accent,
because she doesn't use the internets like that, she doesn't
know how to use it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
They wouldn't believe me when I said she was a citizen.

Speaker 5 (01:32:19):
I'm pretty sure that the white person that came up
and said they were a citizen wasn't questioned to bring
in any proof of residence or a green card or
alien or nothing like that. And because I said my
mom is a citizen, she doesn't need all that, they
said that she needs to come in with her voter
registration for them to prove that she is actually a
citizen for the job position. So black and brown people

(01:32:44):
are always going to have it harder. So when you
look at somebody who fought for their right to be
a citizen now that they wanted to be, but they
understand that when they are citizens, they don't have to
deal with all the other pressures of being an immigrant
here because they took them to deal with the pressures of.

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
Being an immigrant here.

Speaker 5 (01:32:58):
But they don't have their their lives won't be where
they have to pick them up and get them out
of here or whatever. Donald Trump is now doing what
they've been doing, but Donald Trump is now put at
a bigger scale. And when you hear this girl talking again,
your closeness, how close you are to whiteness, will determine
how you feel like you can talk to other people
that are in the same boat as you.

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
And that's what we see here. And that's the problem
that I had.

Speaker 5 (01:33:21):
Now. The next problem that I have, you can pull
up the clip of the guy. The next problem that
I have is when these people are platformed in these spaces.
That's why this is the example of why I don't
take any more of those you know things I used
to do, those those interview styles where it was me
debating as softly as possible, debating somebody whose stands is

(01:33:43):
one hundred percent completely wrong, and they are not trying
to be swayed. And it's almost like sitting at the
desk with which I love and I love her for that,
Abby Phillipson. You have those people who are sitting there
and who are fasty, and then the people who are
on the other side saying the other's part of it.
They can't go back and be nasty, because that's the
part that's gonna go viral. They're gonna say the other

(01:34:04):
person was aggressive sitting at this table, and it's usually
a black or brown person, mostly a black woman who
was on there that has to carry herself in a
certain kind of way because the moment she puts her
hands on the table, the moment that she said, you know,
tries to command the room out.

Speaker 3 (01:34:17):
Of disrespect, she's told something.

Speaker 5 (01:34:19):
But these people, these white people and even people who
are not white again, who align themselves with whiteness, who
are sitting in.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
I'm like, bro, I'm sorry, Rea, no, I'm saying that.
Brother from Iran. You said, even those who are not
white people.

Speaker 5 (01:34:38):
Sitting there, and because they they align themselves with whiteness,
and again how close they are to it. They believe
that none of these things are gonna hit their door.
They believe it's never gonna come to them. It's never.
And here is what we're gonna see, where being actually
white and challenging with stupidity, challenging a very intell gent

(01:35:00):
person who knows way more than you, happens to be brown,
happens to come from another country, but who knows way
more than you, who knows process, who knows a lot
of things, sit here with you, and you go back
to back with them.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
And as soon as you feel like your life was
threatened and you.

Speaker 5 (01:35:19):
Was, oh, you were obliterated by an intelligent person that
called you out, gave you receipts, and provided receipts, you
go cry to your white KKK supremacist nationalists people online.
You do that cry, and what happens is the house effect.
But let's take a listen. Let's take a look.

Speaker 11 (01:35:39):
Well, they persecuted the church a little bit. I'm not
a fan of that, But what about the prosecution of
the Jews.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Well, I mean, I certainly don't support anyone's human dignity
being insulted.

Speaker 11 (01:35:48):
I'm a Catholic, but you don't condemn Nazi persecution of
the Jews.

Speaker 13 (01:35:52):
I think that there was a little bit of persecution
this show because you were a little bit more than
a far right Republican.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
Hey, what can I say?

Speaker 7 (01:36:02):
I think you say I'm a fascist?

Speaker 11 (01:36:03):
Yeah, I am, absolutely.

Speaker 13 (01:36:09):
I'm just checking who's clapping, just to get my set
of where everyone because you know that millions of people
are gonna be watching you on YouTube and checking out
who the fascist and the Nazis.

Speaker 11 (01:36:17):
I'm not ashamed of that one.

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:36:21):
Okay, no, it got it got see these clips ain't
doing what they need to do. Uh, it got a
little deeper.

Speaker 5 (01:36:26):
So after we see he called himself a fascist, the
the the young man on there, and well the Nazi
on there, and so uh. At that point Mattie said,
I don't even want to talk to you. You say, say,
I don't even want to talk to you. I don't
want to hear nothing I gotta say, and he just
basically doesn't really reply. After that, the boy keeps going.
He ends up allegedly losing his job and he goes

(01:36:49):
to cry about it to the internet. Then he then
givesin go creates something for him and it's called the
He says, fired for his political I pulled it up,
So Ben, if you want to let me grab it
for you so you can have our look, have our
students follow along. Here here we go and so here

(01:37:09):
is the GIFs and go and it says fired for
my political beliefs. My name is Connor. The thing is
Connor or stuff. My name is Connor. And I recently
was recently shown the latest Jubilee episode. This is immediately
after the episode. As a result, unfortunately, I was subsequently
released from my job. Nobody knows where his job was
and allegedly reported earlier he wasn't working nowhere. Yeah, he

(01:37:30):
was already unemployed. And he and and and he says,
I'm raising money as an emergency fund and for other
expenses while I look for a new job. Unfortunately, voicing
fully legal traditional right wing political views results in real consequences.
This is cancel culture and political discrimination on full display.
I just went on the Rift TV where I shared
my story of what happened, and you can watch it here.

(01:37:52):
Will I won't be I will be guesting on a
podcast tomorrow again on YouTube X. He's promoting himself. It
is not the Kyle Rittenhouse effect. And this again Kyle
Rittenhouse also raised money on gives him go, and that
woman who called that child a nigger is on gives
him go.

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
I think got her money almost a million dollars.

Speaker 5 (01:38:11):
Remember where I'll be reading off the names and donations
to everybody, a verbal thank you to all of those
who gave h and I also read off the names
and tons of people who already gave on that same show.
So that's all people want. They want popularity, and here
he wants money. So for exchange of him saying thank
you for your donation, you know the same thing that

(01:38:32):
we do here. But you know this is for hate.
This is for and sitting there because you got obliterated,
and you get paid to do so. Platforming this white
man who had a plan already had a plan platforming
this person that had nothing to say except for quite frankly,
quite frankly, quite frankly, quite frankly, and gave us.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
Nothing, quite frankly. And he is now put in a
position where he don't have to work. He's been a
year's worth.

Speaker 5 (01:39:01):
Of salary for most people in less than twenty four
hours for his hate. Kyle Ritt and House killed two people,
injured one, and got out of jail. All the white
people even religious leaders, political leaders made sure that he

(01:39:26):
will always be straight for the rest of his life
financially because of the hate.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
And this is what we see here.

Speaker 5 (01:39:34):
That woman who felt like people were threatening her when
they were just saying you were wrong for calling that
child and the N word. The family didn't get as
much as that lady got. They even said, please don't
talk about the story no more, because we're being attacked
so much. We want to silence this. Will take whatever
they gave. We know we don't want to be a
part of this. When that girl kept on putting her
white tears out there, and they said, we'll give you

(01:39:56):
a million dollars because you did the right thing. Align
yourself with haty, do the dirty work for white people,
make black people the problem, and you will get paid
for it. You will thrive and thrive some more within America.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
Yeah, that's true, all of that, everything that you said
is true. But the return he didn't get nearly as
much as that white lady got. I'm certain I'm gonna
start with the white lady. She gonna be broke. Give
her two years. It's just like every lottery winner. She
gonna be broke. This guy, he can't live off of this.

(01:40:34):
Maybe he could live off this for a year, depending
on how much you go out and blow it on women,
because he can't get you know, that's his number one problem.
He gonna be broke. This is they're not gonna be
able to sustain this, as much as they want to
make it look like, hey, go out there and be
a racist and will take care of you as a community.
It immediately dropped from a million for the other lady
to thirty nine thousand dollars and he's not employable anymore.

(01:40:58):
So the long term impact on them, they will pay
the price in the long run. Right now, this is
just fascism and white supremacy trying to say, oh, look
we can invert. We can not only will we not
let you cancel this person, but we could put money
in their pocket. Okay, It's just like their boycott of Budweiser.
They said, oh we can organize, we could buck boycott Budweiser.

(01:41:19):
Budweiser is doing just buying, right so all their best
efforts is it's it's really just to trigger us.

Speaker 6 (01:41:27):
This right here.

Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
He banked. He banked forty thousand dollars. He's going to
have a good year. Great. Ultimately, it's them trying to
trigger us into saying not to oppose these people. But
that's never going to stop. Like he canceled himself, He
canceled himself. That other lady, she canceled herself. She got
a million dollars out of it. Okay, let's see how
that loan that last is going to be another lottery winner.

Speaker 5 (01:41:49):
Yep, and we'll see then if I hope that you're right,
because I feel like when Kyle Rittenhouse recently got out,
he got so much money book deals podcast, and then
he went through something else here give singles the platform
he went to again and raised so much money once again.

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
White.

Speaker 5 (01:42:05):
They will continue to fund the white hate and the
white these these white people. They will continue to sponsor
them so that they can uphold the Nazi rhetoric. They
can uphold the stuff and and and create and and
then created so strong and so big that we get

(01:42:25):
another Donald Trump in the White House. God forbid. But
that's what happened because they showed if we can align
together with hate, we'll continue to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:33):
We'll continue like this guy.

Speaker 5 (01:42:35):
No, remember that girl who she didn't get the money,
but she started getting sponsored and put on as an
analyst or uh a commentator for the all things black
and white, all things racist. That girl that was trying
to be the trad wife in the house, use the
word the N word. Now they started, they started platforming her.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
She's platform but she now makeing any money off her
her podcast, Like she's barely making a living doing her podcast.
Like it only does go so far. Look at this,
Carol Whittenhouse is working at a gun store in Florida. True,
it is true because all of his all the speaking engagements.
First of all, he's illiterate and and I'm not mocking you,
you could say extremely extremely dumb. He couldn't read, he

(01:43:22):
couldn't speak, He couldn't like do the basic things that
one needs to do to capitalize off of a speaking
circuit career. He got booed off the stages he used
to go to, and he got dropped by all of
his handlers, the people who try to make him into
a thing. They was like, oh nah, he's too stupid
for us to even help ends that way, because ignorance
is ignorance. He's working at a gun store.

Speaker 11 (01:43:42):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:43:43):
He might have some money left over, but it's not
going to last him. And even if it does, he's
not going to come back into the spotlight and be
Kyle Rittenhouse again. His moment is coming gone.

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
That that man on a TV show, the one that
murdered Trayvon.

Speaker 1 (01:43:58):
Martin, he's living in isolating that man. He had to sell.
He had to sell the gun. His biggest moment since then,
George Zimmerman's biggest moment since then has been to sell
the gun that he used to Killyle, to kill Trayvon Martin.
And I think he got like one hundred, you know,
maybe a couple hundred grand off of it. That was five, six, seven,
eight years ago. He's broke, He's not going to be

(01:44:21):
able to come back and have a life. They're all
going to end up, and this is inevitable. His other thing,
white folks that are racist and hate field and bigoted,
there's nobody they fight better than themselves. Like their whole
coalition that they used to get Donald Trump in power
right now, that same coalition that sent money to that

(01:44:43):
whatever her name was. They called it boy, the five
year old, the N word. My whole coalition is fighting
each other now. So you know, just look at look
at through Shiloh. Yeah, look through world history, it always
ends because they're not building community off of anything but hatred,
and that hatred is towards each other. Now, so again
I don't let these things trigger me. I do watch

(01:45:05):
them and like, let's see how long it's gonna last.
How long can they keep it up? But this is
already a symbol as big as this Jubilee moment was,
and as big as all the platforms he went on
to promote this. All he got out of it was
forty g's congratulations. It's going to give you a nice
Christmas this year, but I guarantee you by next year,
he's gonna be looking for a job.

Speaker 3 (01:45:27):
And I think.

Speaker 5 (01:45:29):
I'm at a place where I'm like, I love that
they've shown this. I love that even though this is
what they've constantly been showing, but I love that they've
shown this. However, I don't. I feel like platforming the
Nazis is a problem too, because now he done got

(01:45:53):
forty thousand dollars for this, even though it was probably
free for him to come on. Now he got forty
thousand dollars. But he's also strewing out hate, and it's
somebody so unintelligent sitting with somebody so intelligent and not
being able to communicate anything, and.

Speaker 3 (01:46:10):
It's a waste of our time.

Speaker 5 (01:46:12):
But I'm glad that it was shown, even though we
see it every day, Even though we see it every day,
and white folks are in the place where they're like, ah,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
I mean what he was saying, he was making points.

Speaker 5 (01:46:22):
Somebody wrote in my chat and said, not in my
chat right now, y'all some good people, which is share
did you share the video? Do that too? I'm talking
about on threads they said, I mean, if you really
listen to what the white girl was saying, you can
hear her point because most immigrants are coming here to
take our jobs.

Speaker 1 (01:46:41):
The person was black. Yes, yes, that's the kind of
And let me just jump in there, that's the most
ignorant breed of negro in existence. Black folks who attack
immigrants as if you are not seen as less than immigrants,
and they're just working their way around like they're starting
with immigrants. They're inevitably going to always come to attack

(01:47:03):
black people with the same exact ice agents that are
attacking immigrants. But I also want to spend us around
one more time because there's so many clips and I
got to start compiling them of Black Americans who were
descendants of enslaved people who are pushing back on AIDOS
and FBA and all these anti African immigrants people, and

(01:47:25):
they're just showing so much beautiful solidarity amongst the diaspora.
So like, I have a whole collection of them, I
just haven't downloaded them yet. But just every day now
there are Black people from the United States who were
born here because of enslaved ancestors who are showing solidarity
with immigrant Black people from all over the globe. Because
of how ignorant uh AIDOS and FBA were in their

(01:47:49):
all their anti diaspora dasper wars bullsh bs. So you know, uh,
those Black people who align with this ignorance, they're gonna
fade out of existence too, because hatred. Hatred don't work
on our side of the equation. Hatred can get you
a check temporarily from white supremacy, but it don't get
you roots in the community, and who gonna sustain you

(01:48:10):
on the long run. White supremacy are roots, and you
can't Candice Omens can't come back to the black community
now that she's getting alienated by white folks. Nah stay
over there.

Speaker 3 (01:48:22):
By the president France.

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
Oh when she is broke, listen, Oh lord, I'm not
gonna tell them.

Speaker 5 (01:48:30):
White folks, the white colonizers, the actual people, the European
people are suing your blacket.

Speaker 1 (01:48:40):
She gonna be so broke. I ain't gonna tell you
how broke she's gonna be. But the way her hair
is nice now, I mean because she got it. She
got it right, man, split right to the root. She's
gonna go back. She's gonna know what to feel, back
to return to her roots.

Speaker 3 (01:48:56):
She tried, Man, that was good.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
I don't because I don't talk about black women's hair,
even if they somebody said, I don't care how evil
she is, don't you I'm gonna talk about a black
woman's hair again. And I felt that in my spirit,
but I just couldn't let that one.

Speaker 6 (01:49:14):
Uh uh.

Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
She she about to be so broke when France gets
done suing her.

Speaker 5 (01:49:19):
And you talked about that white man's wife and they
ain't do nothing in the beginning. Then you tripled, quadrupled
whatever the.

Speaker 3 (01:49:26):
Five time duple did.

Speaker 5 (01:49:29):
And you went and you said you did an investigative
reporting about his wife being trans h She did.

Speaker 1 (01:49:40):
A whole investig investigative reporting. Watch this, let me, let me,
let me share this. Uh Leaguela Deville Uh says she's
not she's married to a son of aristocrat. I hear you,
and you would think that cracker don't love her. He
gonna dump her as soon as she's no longer useful
to his cause. I'm sorry, I do not he first

(01:50:01):
of all, to lay in bed with white supremacy at
that level we're talking, she got to be looking over
her shoulder at night.

Speaker 3 (01:50:09):
Everything original colonizing countries.

Speaker 1 (01:50:13):
Come on, you're talking about the original dun daughters of
white supremacy.

Speaker 3 (01:50:17):
Like there's no there is no protection for the nikka
in America.

Speaker 1 (01:50:23):
Come on, there's just none.

Speaker 3 (01:50:25):
So you think some outside former rulers are going to have.

Speaker 1 (01:50:30):
Pity on Candice Owens about the boy they are about
to tar and feather her black behind about and she
can't come back to the black community. What I mean,
Doctor Mack, we talked about this extensively. He said, Well
if she he says, first of all, she can't come back.
She tried, he said, but if she does. He gave

(01:50:53):
a long list of all the confessions you have to make,
all the people that she have to take down. He said,
if she does all that, then she can come back.
I'm still of the opinion she can't ever come back,
not after how much damage she did and and and.

Speaker 3 (01:51:04):
Double down on the damage.

Speaker 5 (01:51:06):
People don't understand that when you are naturally a person
who hates and who is nasty, and who believes the
things that are coming out of your.

Speaker 3 (01:51:11):
Mouth can with that hush, that's just what that is.
That's who you are.

Speaker 5 (01:51:19):
We can't make a nasty person a good person when
they are so set on being a nasty person on
somebody who's viewing out hate.

Speaker 3 (01:51:26):
You went after a a a original colonizing person.

Speaker 1 (01:51:33):
Of the president of a colonizer. I mean, like we're
talking about a nation that's still taking money from Haiti
to this day. And tell you, man, Candice is done.
And I'm not rejoicing in her demise. I'm just saying

(01:51:53):
she earned it. She worked. Really, you know, she.

Speaker 5 (01:51:55):
Rejoices in everybody else de mind. She rejoices in George
Floyd Demid. She always in every person's the mind. She
had every nasty thing to say about Michelle Obama, and
she had every nasty thing to say about other black
women and then she went around and she she aligned
herself with Nazis.

Speaker 3 (01:52:15):
The only thing that we can give her.

Speaker 5 (01:52:17):
She had points many a time that we can say, okay,
we agree with that, we agree with some things them
on our op say all the time. That does not
mean our ops are good people. Right, they might follow
the same things that we follow. Maybe once a damn day,
there's one hour a day. There are twenty four hours
in the day. The rest of it still makes this
person where they align themselves with hey and bad things

(01:52:37):
and Nazis and and the Now that's what she is
married to one and now you're seeing that he ain't
coming to her defense.

Speaker 3 (01:52:50):
He came. Ain't no amount of American money can do that.

Speaker 5 (01:52:52):
When the president of France says, I'm coming for you
and I won't stop until the black of your children
are on my they ain't really say that, but I'm
telling you because they historically that's.

Speaker 1 (01:53:06):
What they do. Now let me tell you, let me
let me tell you. The only time I'll step in
and do something to help Candice owens Is is if
her children need food. We got her, we we we
we Gotildren.

Speaker 3 (01:53:19):
She cared about Gaza as well.

Speaker 1 (01:53:21):
That's what I think she cared that God about guys
are more aligned with her hatred of Jewish people. I
think that that was her route. But you know, we're
gonna let her kids go hungry. Now, she can go hungry,
but her kids, now, we will make sure they get
care packages. We'll make sure they get good education, because
we ain't gonna have no little black kids around our
community who are who are destroyed because their parents were evil. Nah,

(01:53:42):
We'll raise them up, and we just have to teach
her kids how evil their mom was and how they
got into the situation that they're in.

Speaker 5 (01:53:49):
Okay, all right, We're gonna move on from candas owns,
which thank you for bringing up, because we that's so
much happened this week. Before we get out of here,
Ben I was just saying, how platform is that irresponsible? Now,
if this is if you are from the black church,
I want you to come on to the front, right,
come on to the front. This is for us.

Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
This is for us to sit right here.

Speaker 5 (01:54:07):
White people you can you can sit and listen, and
people who don't go to the church you could sit
and listen because you will understand it either way, because
we get things because blackness is even though we're not
a monolith, we still like we we we collide and
connect and all the things in our cultures.

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
But here.

Speaker 5 (01:54:25):
Isaac Curry, if you know him, you know him. Isaac
Currie is a singer we love. Has a voice of
I mean like gospel voice, and I say that with
everything in me, a gospel voice that is like none other,
that has transcended time.

Speaker 3 (01:54:44):
Been in the game since he was little, and won't
let you forget it.

Speaker 5 (01:54:48):
Won't let you forget it. And we'll talk about that
as well. But Isaac Koree platformed Norman and I hope
I'm saying this right, Gimfi. I believe that he's a
Ghanaian American and also a HBCU graduate. It I think
he's also part of Alpha Phi Alpha Incorporated. But I
say all those things because blackness runs up deep through

(01:55:08):
this man. And he is a music executive. But he's
also the co founder, one of the co founders, one
of two co founders of Maverick City. If you know
what Maverick City is, it's CCM, Yeah, Chandler more uh
Naomi they if most recently they had a bet appearance
with none other than Diddy and uh I think Kirk

(01:55:30):
Franklin as well. Recently they were with uh Diddy and
when Diddy they did the BT hip hop whatever for Diddy.
But in this clip, yes, even niggas with Mike's not
It's not only for outside the church, it's within the
church too. Niggas with Mike should be stopped. Put tariffs on,

(01:55:50):
tax them today, tax them today, remove them from Amazon,
remove them from the stores, because now the podcast bros
are now the podcast brows within the gospel industry, within Christianity,
and here we're platforming somebody who is MAGA supporting says
it in just a slip, MAGA supporting, denouncing gospel, saying

(01:56:13):
that when and if you know, when I say Maverick City,
Maverick City is what we call c M contemporary Christian music,
we equate that to white people because again I was
telling you earlier eighty eight point one, WAFM only played
this type of music, and they were only They did
not insert any kind of gospel until Shackles Off My

(01:56:35):
Feet So I Can Dance by Mary Mary came out.
They would drop that throughout the day and at ten
to twelve in Palm Beach County was the time that
They only played anything Trinity five to seven, Demita, even
what's that man's name?

Speaker 3 (01:56:54):
Donald?

Speaker 5 (01:56:56):
All the gospel artists were only playing through the best
biggas gospel artists. We're only playing from the hours of
ten pm to twelve am in the morning, and then
they would go right back to playing just contemporary Christian
music CCM Maverick City is contemporary Christian music with black leaders,
black vocal leaders, and this man created it. He said

(01:57:19):
that gospel john genre is garbage, and he aligned himself
with white people and did their doing to remove the
gospel industry. Now correct me if I'm wrong, y'all listen
to this. Click because might have heard something else. Maybe
I'm hearing incorrectly, but listen to this and again, this
is the co founder of the Christian music group that

(01:57:41):
has taken over the industry overnight. Let's take a listen.

Speaker 10 (01:57:46):
What was the turning point that you made when you
knew that something different had to happen, resurrect or reshape
the Christian slash gospel industry.

Speaker 6 (01:57:54):
I mean, I'm gonna be straight up, I do it.

Speaker 8 (01:57:56):
The first day it was stale, The gospel norms wasn't
working no more. Man y'all sing too hard? Y'all over sing?
Stop doing that? Don't nobody want to hear them? Runs people?
Keet said, we want acquire means that Quiremes would have
never died if people want to listen to it, I said,
Joe Stain, Kirky Franklin, TD Jakes. How can I find
somebody to it me?

Speaker 6 (01:58:13):
That's not normal? Oh my god, I'm so sick of
him a lot. Why what I do to you? I
think people see me as competition when I'm not.

Speaker 7 (01:58:21):
So let's go here, Travis.

Speaker 6 (01:58:23):
At that time, it was one of chumps me.

Speaker 8 (01:58:25):
You know, I find chance for my church. I'm the
one who got the big eyes were running with you
what I'm calling them for? You got my old background,
single leadio thing.

Speaker 7 (01:58:33):
You don't care.

Speaker 6 (01:58:34):
They don't get it. You know who get it? White
people get it?

Speaker 8 (01:58:36):
First off, everybody know I'm a Trump voter, regardless of
how y'all feel about that.

Speaker 6 (01:58:39):
So y'all a really good PPP too, Trump. Thank you
for that one, bro. Oh my gosh, why so many
people dog me?

Speaker 13 (01:58:45):
Man?

Speaker 6 (01:58:45):
People work for me?

Speaker 8 (01:58:46):
That dog me From thirty old young black dude from nowhere,
Georgia with no backgrounding music and I got more those
people you don't, So your next deal.

Speaker 6 (01:58:56):
Likely gonna be with me.

Speaker 8 (01:58:58):
Maverick City outstreams the entire day gospel industry combined. Jesus,
everybody hated on it, nobody called it real, everybody said this.
This is all that happened from that is you saw
the subsequent genre and I gotta.

Speaker 6 (01:59:11):
Go gospel.

Speaker 5 (01:59:14):
Absolutely, And I'm going to before we get into that clip,
I want to read you what Isaac Kree. I remember
I just told you who Isaac Caree was very well known.
Artists all the things love his music. Actually somebody who
put as an alternative. In my opinion, gospel singer doesn't
sing original gospel, but does have a gospel voice and

(01:59:35):
sings music that a lot of you know, uh, former
gospel singers would be like, oh, you know, that ain't gospel,
but it's it's you know he's saying.

Speaker 3 (01:59:44):
Uh, And that's because his influence is gospel.

Speaker 5 (01:59:47):
Just like Maverick City City couldn't be what they were
and became from twenty twenty to now, they didn't have
gospel singing leaders. You had to go grab the gospel
singing leaders to lead Maverick City, which was a white
chair that had had a community of singers with no soul.
So this music EXECTI tied Chandler Moore and Dantebo and

(02:00:09):
Naomi to that church.

Speaker 1 (02:00:12):
Uh huh.

Speaker 5 (02:00:12):
And he created what became Maverick City and the choir.
So it's a white church, and he is okay with
saying that, you know, gospel was gone. So I came
and I aligned myself with the white folks. Because the
white folks, I can, I can relate more to them
than black people.

Speaker 3 (02:00:30):
And I was on the mission to remove and do
the bidding of the white evangelical music execs.

Speaker 5 (02:00:42):
Work dirty work and get I'm pretty sure it was like, hey,
let's stop doing the gospel thing and let's bring this
music and make it all into the black area. And
that's not Who are you to say that gospel is dead?
Who are you to say the removed gospel? You ain't
even no singer. Now people want to take into account
that he's from that he has a good Nayan name

(02:01:02):
and stuff. That has nothing to do with nothing. We
love gospel all around. We know we credit where gospel
is credited. We that sound comes from here, may may
have influences or whatever, but that sound is an American sound.

Speaker 3 (02:01:14):
I can give you that. I won't fight that, but
that does not mean that we don't know gospel.

Speaker 5 (02:01:19):
I know gospel up and now I can sing right
here with Ben with the best of them, my Haitian
behind who went to a Haitian church.

Speaker 3 (02:01:24):
Gospel is something that is every culture knows and we
know it.

Speaker 1 (02:01:30):
We know it.

Speaker 5 (02:01:32):
So for this moment to happen, and it's not a
don't and I want people to not make it no
diaspora war things, because it's not. We're influenced by gospel
all around. What I will say is for this black
man to sit there and say he's a Trump supporter,
Trump voter, PPP loans is you know?

Speaker 3 (02:01:50):
And he said, thank you. That's how you know rich.

Speaker 5 (02:01:52):
Nobody knew you are somebody who made a name behind
the scenes and you grew Maverick City.

Speaker 3 (02:01:58):
You are now in owner of so many Grammys because
of your bidding.

Speaker 5 (02:02:02):
That's what you did. You did, I mean because of
what you did for the white people, the white exacts.
They told you, if you do this for me, we'll
do this for you. Now you own so many Grammys.
You are very rich.

Speaker 3 (02:02:13):
But nobody knew who the hell you was until.

Speaker 5 (02:02:15):
Just now at all? And now the response, and I'll
just go ahead and read it. The response that Isaac
Kareed did is somebody said to him, platforming this is
low key responsible and the tie key is responsible for us,
but anything for clicks and views. Isaac Kareed didn't response.
It's incredibly amazing how you would think it's irresponsible for

(02:02:37):
someone who's been in this industry for over three decades
me would air something with no context. Clearly there was
no context here. We got it though from the clips there.
These are only clips and the story is told. What's
really responsible is that you fail. You felt for the
bait and won't watch the show for context. You'd rather
allow your emotions to lead you down the rabbit hole. Lord,

(02:03:00):
help your people. And that's why I say it's very
dangerous for these types of people to be in this space,
because you are going to open the door to platform
these people.

Speaker 3 (02:03:09):
You're opening the door to people who.

Speaker 5 (02:03:10):
Already have done a lot of damage within the gospel community,
and who is on a mic sitting in front of
you telling you that the very things that you stand for,
Isaac Curree, which is blackness, the black church, gospel music,

(02:03:31):
and you allegedly did not vote for Donald Trump. He's
sitting there in front of you and telling you that
everything that you represent is dumb, it's trash, it's it's
dis finished.

Speaker 3 (02:03:41):
Don't it means nothing?

Speaker 5 (02:03:43):
And you're just like Jesus, Jesus, whoa hah, that's invasive,
that's school.

Speaker 1 (02:03:49):
No.

Speaker 5 (02:03:50):
He also Isaac Caree went on to tell someone else,
we need to in the church give room for these
voices who said that. I know that was a cute
thing to say back in the day, even in the
journalists to be unbiased. Absolutely not when something is hurting
a community of people, just like we saw in Jubilee.
Those people are hurtful, and they're being platformed, and they're
being praised and rewarded for their naziiness. And here we're

(02:04:11):
seeing a black person be okay and being rewarded for
his coonery in buffoonery and tell folks that he is
proud of the dammage he has done. Within the gospel community.
One thing it is gospel isn't dead. But you have
platformed a man who said verbatim on the mic. I

(02:04:33):
made sure that I did not push any gospel music
at all I want. I aligned myself with this White
church because they're good to me, and if I did
what they told me, it benefited me m And that's
what I did, yep. And that's what we're seeing right now.
So this thing has led me to believe why we

(02:04:54):
haven't been hearing or seeing it's not because there's no
gospel music, because I see it all the time. But
why our favorite gospel artists are still singing gospel but
they've given us CCM. They've given us contemporary because that's
what will be pushed.

Speaker 1 (02:05:11):
They don't.

Speaker 5 (02:05:11):
He said, it's hooping, hooping and hollering. Are you really
disrespecting the ancestors? Are you really disrespecting our history? Are
you really that's that comes from pain?

Speaker 3 (02:05:22):
I said this.

Speaker 5 (02:05:22):
I said this a wild back and I have I'm
gonna say this verbadi because Jackie H. Perry said, she asked,
why is CCM something that is so pushed right now
and we're not hearing more gospel? And I said something
along the lines of the reason why we're not hearing that?
And let me find it.

Speaker 3 (02:05:40):
Because look, I want to quote, we want to miss
quote myself.

Speaker 7 (02:05:45):
Here we go.

Speaker 5 (02:05:49):
I was saying to her The reason why they're not
is because they have made our music more palatable for
white people. Everything where we dis spaces that we dominate
and we're thriving in and it's better than and it's
not palatable for white people. So they will go and
they will find a way to make it palatable for
white people. If this black woman is gonna sing, I

(02:06:11):
wanted to feel good for me. So when we're seeing
about pain and sorrow and getting over something and all
those things, because that's our life, that's our actual battles.
A lot of these songs come from slaves and their
music and things like that because those are real issues
and things. And then from the civil rights movements and
stuff that we had to get through or that Black
Americans had to get through and all the things. Those

(02:06:33):
is where these things were birth from. And here you
are trying to take away see godspel. Music challenges you,
it southes you, It makes you look at your life.
It might read you your rights, it might tell you
a little, and then it's gonna tell you're gonna be alright.
It's basically the beaten and then the the the mama

(02:06:54):
of the daddy coming in and telling you you're hungry
because you're gonna be all right, You're gonna feed you,
You're gonna be okay.

Speaker 1 (02:07:02):
And CCM tells you, you know, just I tell.

Speaker 5 (02:07:10):
Clip words say destroy me, Oh God, destroy me. They're
smiling because they know, even while being destroyed, they can
get to rehab. They can get the PPP loan. Okay,
they can move into a community even after murdering somebody
that protects them. Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:07:27):
They can.

Speaker 5 (02:07:28):
They can be covered with white supremacy in the word
of God that's being given on stage.

Speaker 3 (02:07:37):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (02:07:38):
So that's why I got a problem with these people
being platform. I got a problem with people that I
actually like and love their sermons sitting on their stage
and telling folks that police officers, that children are are
the problem and not the police officers, and excuse me,
black are the problem and not the police officers. Those
things are problematic. They're problematic because like it or not,

(02:07:59):
I've said this before, and I'm in the church.

Speaker 3 (02:08:02):
I love the church. I love the church.

Speaker 1 (02:08:06):
It's a cult.

Speaker 3 (02:08:07):
It's you know, a cult of people.

Speaker 5 (02:08:09):
And if you tell these people who are following you
that that is the case, that's how they'll move the
people didn't like that I said something about Maverick City.

Speaker 3 (02:08:19):
They're like, no, no, no, I gotta you gotta watch
the full clip. You gotta go.

Speaker 5 (02:08:23):
They were giving the feedback that Isaac gave and saying
that you guys are just not innovative enough. So the
removal of anything tied to blackness the thing that is
so a sacred thing when it comes to the black church.
But our music, our voice that actually influences every other

(02:08:43):
thing R and B is influenced by the gospel voice.

Speaker 3 (02:08:47):
That pop sound that people white people try to do, influenced.

Speaker 5 (02:08:51):
By the gospel voice. Look, you guys just see in
real time, been commenting on the people's stuff, on Isaac' stuff,
But it is I think we're at a place where
we're watching them find everything every safe space that was
for us. And they said, you know what, We're not

(02:09:13):
gonna go bomb these cities anymore. We're gonna send people
who look like them to do it. We'll pay them
and we'll send them to remove their stuff because we want,
we want to be ahead of it, and we'll just
have black people at the forefront. And that's what it is,
and it removes a lot of people have been saying

(02:09:34):
for the past few years that there was a craving
for gospel music. I said it.

Speaker 1 (02:09:39):
The CCM has been such a.

Speaker 5 (02:09:42):
A broken record that I'm like, I am craving for
something to challenge me, something to have me shouting or
lay it out on the ground. I want something to
put me in the corner of my household with something
over me saying this is my prayer, this is my prayer.

Speaker 6 (02:09:58):
Corner.

Speaker 1 (02:09:58):
Don't stop till I get back because I want to
say something, but keep going, okay.

Speaker 5 (02:10:01):
And yeah, and I am not see people want to
say because this is what people are doing online. And
because I spoke up against that one pastor and what
he said on stage. You guys can find that video
on my page, what he said on stage about black
children and police officers and how black children and all
the problems. They came at me and they used the

(02:10:22):
verse touch not my annointed, and we went over this
already been brought it up, and they're trying to use
this in this case too.

Speaker 3 (02:10:28):
And if the church cannot challenge these people, what is
it for. Y'all have to be able to challenge the
wrong as well.

Speaker 5 (02:10:40):
Y'all have to be able to challenge people who are
aligning themselves with white supremacy within the Black church and
doing their work to remove everything black, and to tell
you that you must follow this way or no way.
You got to be able to challenge that. You got
to be able to say, hell, no, you, because did
y'all get the B B B long y'all following this
person that is telling you that they benefited from us,
align themselves with whiteness, align themselves with whiteness.

Speaker 3 (02:11:04):
And this cannot be where you go with it.

Speaker 5 (02:11:08):
All of the church cannot be this Isaac Kree, who
knows damn well you sitting there shucking and jiving, You
sitting there not into this man's stuff. You sitting there
thinking everything this man saying is the way that the
church should move forward. I didn't hear no Jesus talk,
no Kingdom talk, no Black Jesus talk. I mean, none
of it, none of it. And that's not how the

(02:11:30):
way things should work. I don't care who you are.
I don't care who you are well, I don't care
where you've been.

Speaker 2 (02:11:39):
You know.

Speaker 5 (02:11:40):
I need for us to challenge any of these rooms
that are bringing in white supremacy, and they're doing it
by with people who look like us.

Speaker 1 (02:11:50):
I don't care if it's at your.

Speaker 5 (02:11:51):
Job and it's your manager coming in there telling you
that you can't use black emojis, you can't speak about
or immigrants with these people could talk about Nazis and
things like that. You can't defend immigrants, but these people
can defend their rights and their views of gun usage
and children dying and all this stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:12:09):
You got to stand up to that.

Speaker 1 (02:12:12):
You must stand up to that.

Speaker 3 (02:12:14):
HM, go ahead, thank you, as you got your bite
to eat.

Speaker 1 (02:12:21):
No no, no, no, well yeah, it's in that category.
So actually I want to thank Isaac Karee for sharing
this because now I'm going to ensure that we never
play Maverick City in this house ever again.

Speaker 3 (02:12:37):
That's what everybody was saying.

Speaker 1 (02:12:38):
I'm going to and I'm grateful because every upcoming artist
is going to intentionally not go to this nigga. Why
would you want to go to somebody who has this
level of arrogance. And I want to remind this brother
that if you really knew the Lord, you would understand

(02:12:59):
that pride before destruction and a haughty spirit before the fall.
That money don't last forever. Brother, And you can look
at how he's showing off his money that he spends
his money. So it's a good possibility he's gonna be
broke in short order. Not wishing evil on him. But
that's who he is, That's what he was, and that's

(02:13:19):
all I'm gonna say. But but I'm gonna I'm gonna
play something. I'm wanna play something for the who says
that gospel is dead. I just you, let me, let
me hush, let me just let his sister say. I
can't live a.

Speaker 7 (02:13:36):
Dig go by.

Speaker 15 (02:13:39):
Without phrase and his name. Ah can forget from whence from?

Speaker 7 (02:13:52):
Whence?

Speaker 1 (02:13:53):
Iona? Let go bye?

Speaker 5 (02:14:03):
I'm that to count.

Speaker 8 (02:14:06):
Punt that dog cost.

Speaker 7 (02:14:11):
I can't let a dead go by our praising his name.

Speaker 5 (02:14:24):
Okay, let a dank go by.

Speaker 2 (02:14:30):
That phrase, praise his name, Nord. Don't let me forget
from whence from wins.

Speaker 1 (02:14:45):
I he leta din go by counting the cost. Can't
let a deck go.

Speaker 7 (02:14:57):
By aphrasing.

Speaker 6 (02:15:02):
A lord.

Speaker 1 (02:15:05):
I have messed it up. I'll stop it. I'll stop
it there because let me tell you how they're gonna go.
They're gonna keep going. She go for another five minutes.
But let me tell you something. You you Maverick City
can't do that. CCM can't do that. There's a thing
that happens in gospel music that connects literally connect us

(02:15:28):
to the ancestors. Now we'll give you room and we
give you grace for something contemporary and new. They didn't
like Kirk Franklin at first, but now Kirk Franklin has
been coome a part of it. Right. But to come
in and say that you're gonna uproot roots, we'll see
who's let's see who's still around in ten years.

Speaker 5 (02:15:50):
Yeah, And because it wouldn't be because a lot of
the music. I think that the problem was the contemporary
music was not crossing over and gospel.

Speaker 3 (02:16:00):
M For those of you who thought gospel all that,
you know.

Speaker 5 (02:16:03):
We were crossing over into hip hop. We were crossing
over into all these things, because the truth is gospel.
Listening to her, I best you guys got Ray Charles.
I know you heard the blues. I know you heard
a little bit of country. I know you heard a
little bit R and B. I know you're everything because
this is where it comes from. A lot of people
who know how to sing have influenced from the church,
and the one who have influenced from the ones who

(02:16:26):
have influenced from the church. You still going back to
the church. You have to go back and listen to
people like Mahelia Jackson, Aretha Franklin. You gotta go back
and they will. It all goes back to the gospel church.
They not singing today because they don't have that gospel background.
When I'm listening, and I don't get me wrong, Maverick
City is cool, Matt, but the shouting only comes from

(02:16:50):
Chandler Moore, Dante bo who is no longer within the group,
and Naomi, who I think still sounds you know, very CCM.
But she gives the gospel background. And you don't feel
this because even at her age and she is pushing

(02:17:10):
everything she got because she's feeling something.

Speaker 3 (02:17:14):
Every word that she said. It brought me to wherever
the hell she was at that time. It brought me
to it.

Speaker 5 (02:17:20):
It gave me chills, It brings tears in my eyes.
When I hear worship in my culture's language, it gives
me a different feeling because you can hear the pain
and the suffering from the person. You can hear in
the words these people are singing about. And I don't know,
there's a fly on the.

Speaker 8 (02:17:39):
Wall of God.

Speaker 2 (02:17:42):
On the wall of God.

Speaker 5 (02:17:44):
But you help me get it. That is how they
they look d the people is just halleyu yah, halleluyah.

Speaker 3 (02:17:56):
But when there's a fly on the wall, God, you
hear that. It's a difference.

Speaker 5 (02:18:02):
There's a fly on the wall. Oh God, there's a
difference there. You feel like, Lord, there's a fly on
the wall.

Speaker 1 (02:18:10):
Got to be done about it. Help me do something, Lord.

Speaker 5 (02:18:15):
Jesus, to get this flight.

Speaker 3 (02:18:17):
Out of the house.

Speaker 1 (02:18:18):
Like Lord, like you see what I'm saying, We experience
it's it's in this young this young brother, who is this?
But you know what, and it's very consistent. Of course
he voted for Donald Trump. He had the spirit of
Donald Trump. And and and that spirit is an anti
christ spirit, whether they know it or not, and whether
he knows it or not. So you know, I don't

(02:18:38):
I don't fret over even it's it's I don't fret
over evildoers because their time comes. And and to have
the arrogance because you made a little bit of money.
What what What white supremacy gives. White supremacy also takes
away the minute you're no longer useful to them. You're done, brother,
You're done, and you was another one that can't come

(02:18:59):
back to the community, to the tribe. Why because you
built your platform. You built your platform on the destruction
of the tribe. You think we're gonna let you back
in the tribe. Nah, enjoy your money now. I'm sure
it's good. I'm bitch. He eating lobster, he getting all
you can eat crab legs.

Speaker 3 (02:19:16):
I'm sure.

Speaker 5 (02:19:17):
But we didn't even know your name until this moment.
And then it came out and people said they don't
want to listen to Maverick City. And now they know
that Maverick City is a scam.

Speaker 1 (02:19:25):
Yep, now we know we didn't know before. Thank you
for letting us know. Thank you for doing a service.
You know I do shade, shade proper shade do to
Isaac Kree for you know, caping for this capin for this,
you know, even his feelings. You talked about my clip,
your clip was understand what your clip was good for?

(02:19:46):
Exposing a demon. Don't be mad when people recognize that.

Speaker 5 (02:19:50):
Demas That's exactly what I said.

Speaker 7 (02:19:52):
I was a special I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:19:54):
Gonna say special, especially when Isaac Kreed got his start
with John p Key and that in New Life community choir.

Speaker 5 (02:20:01):
Come on, and your voice tone shows that you couldn't
be we You can't even sing regular.

Speaker 1 (02:20:11):
He got a song called Her.

Speaker 5 (02:20:12):
Which I love, which is about him and his wife
and how he used his wife and all that other stuff,
and you can't.

Speaker 3 (02:20:17):
Even sing that in a normal R and B way.
It's fully gospel because that's just how you sing.

Speaker 5 (02:20:22):
Dante Bo, who left the church, who left Maverick City,
is shying to sing worldly music and he can't do
it because his voice is naturally just there. But I
can't imagine what he was experiencing while he was in
Maverick City. I'm pretty sure he's seen what we we
are like, Huh. This group just came out of nowhere.
And it looks like every gospel artist has to align

(02:20:44):
with them or sound like them in order to get
their stuff played or pushed.

Speaker 1 (02:20:50):
Yeah, and see, And here's why that's not If they
feel that way, here's why that's not true. Look at what.
First of all, get your mindset out of the record
industry mindset, because the record industry mindset is itself exploitative.
It is exploitive. It exploited Kirk Franklin in the family,

(02:21:12):
It exploited TLC, it exploited Bell bivdel It exploits, it
takes it robs. But look at the gospel artists that
are doing like amazing just on YouTube revenue alone. Ricky
Dillon and bought him a couple of houses just off
of YouTube money alone.

Speaker 3 (02:21:32):
I could just touch the hem of his garment.

Speaker 1 (02:21:34):
Come on, like if they got to get it. And
so this dude is moving into the quote unquote trying
to take over the gospel scene with the old music
industry mindset. This bless him. He might last a decade,
but he ain't gonna last as long as gospel music.
They said, they said Magic City or Magic City or
Maverick c Maverick. No, no, she's saying, what spirit is

(02:21:55):
the operating Mai City or city?

Speaker 3 (02:22:00):
Flat asses flat?

Speaker 1 (02:22:02):
Not okay anyho.

Speaker 5 (02:22:06):
But yes, we're gonna get to the super Dad. I'm
sorry for holding you all the day I was. I
came with the stories because I know that yesterday I
didn't get it, or the other day I didn't get
a chance to get On Thursday with leftist mafia, I
just was filling over one with emotion. I just needed
a you know, some time to myself and I took
that and so we're here. So I'm glad that I

(02:22:28):
was able to get these stories out. I didn't get
the chance to talk to you, So Tiger, go ahead,
and then you can go.

Speaker 1 (02:22:34):
Tiger said, I ain't moren Ozzy Osbourne or Colgan. Ozzy
was a Zionist and Hogan, well, we all know what
Hogan did.

Speaker 3 (02:22:40):
We didn't even mentioned Ozzie behind because I feel.

Speaker 1 (02:22:43):
Like it was it was a thank you, Tiger, thank
you for that super chat, Sheila Blessing, thank you for
the cup of coffee. We appreciate that. Shadow Finkle said,
cause why not, That's what I'm talking about. Why not?
Tiger sent another one. He said that I've blocked so
many pages that use genera generated AI to push racist

(02:23:04):
nonsense and spread damaging narratives. Soon enough, cops will use
it to make fake evidence all day long. We need restriction,
Tiger said. Again, we need restrictions on the dangerous usage
of generated generative AI on the and the damage it
causes on the environment. It also steals art from people
trying to make a living. Absolutely, I consider myself a
tech This is Tiger again, I consider myself a tech head.

(02:23:26):
And ethical AI is possible. I've seen it, but I'm
concerned about the artist, writers and general workers pushed out
of work. Yep, I agree.

Speaker 6 (02:23:34):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:23:34):
Tiger again serious about this conversation on AI, and I
appreciate it, he said, I get that AI is being
pushed and we can't stop it right now. But how
do we help those who who help the people put
out of work and have their their things straight. I
just my quick thought on that is they need to
jump in there and use AI to move themselves further

(02:23:58):
and faster than than than people can replace that work
on Actually, let me rephrase that they're being put out
of work. We have to adapt. The whole goal was
always to put us out of work, just like the
first I don't know if y'all remember, maybe y'all too young,
but I remember the first self checkout about fifteen twenty
years ago, right or maybe fifteen years ago, And now

(02:24:19):
they're everywhere. They're ubiquitous. We can't even go to the store.
They're more self checkouts than there are people at the registers.
That's by design, that's their intent. And if we know
that that's their intent, we got to find ways to
make ourselves survive. Outside of their system. The whole thing
is how do we opt out of their system because
their system is designed to destroy us. It always has

(02:24:40):
been same thing back with NAFTA, the North American Free
Trade Agreement back in the ninety in the nineties, when
Bill Clinton signed it and made it seem like it
was gonna be so good for America. What it was
good for was Wall Street. What it was bad for
were all the people who lost their jobs. But that's
the design, That's what they're going to always do. Tig
Wick sent it all is saying majority reports. Debrief with

(02:25:02):
Maddy afterwards was so satisfying as you watch it, Well, no.

Speaker 5 (02:25:07):
See it not the majority of port that's Mad I
was thinking about David. David actually did one. The rational
national that actually did one as well. Make sure you
take a look at that. I think two different, I
want to say, thing pieces, but very good things to
talk about.

Speaker 3 (02:25:23):
I think we covered the same the same things here.

Speaker 1 (02:25:26):
Tig Wick said. Fun fact, Connor believed he'd always be
in the end group due to birthright citizenship, but later
in the show, Kai argues to repeal birthright citizenship. They
can't even agree on their supremacy. That part Connor was
the white dude talk about thank you for that super
chat Tiger Ben. Last thing on AI. I'm gonna do

(02:25:48):
some recon overall. I like the idea of AI. It's
the future, but not in its current iteration. We need
to make our own. Let me talk to my boys.
I know some coders. I'm gonna need your help to
test it by all means. Reach out to me absolutely.

Speaker 9 (02:26:01):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:26:02):
I agree that we the people. We need the people's AI.
Otherwise it's a wrap. David Morris sent five five pounds saying,
fascinating show. Thank you, David Morris. Let me see if
there's yeah. That's you got to say it correctly.

Speaker 5 (02:26:18):
That's fascinating. It's gonna bet them people, uh, Brits. I
want to say, you know people who are on the
other side. It just sounds so beautiful to say this
show was fascinating.

Speaker 1 (02:26:26):
I like that you're really interested. That's it? Record anything else?

Speaker 3 (02:26:32):
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to give.

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