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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome to Like Mother, Like Murder. I am Rachel and
I'm Heather. We bring you the good, the badass, and
the crime.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
This is Like Mother, Like Murder, and.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Right now is Like Mother Like Murders Trial Updates, where
we will be providing daily coverage in the ongoing trial
of Donna Adelson for the murder of Dan Markel. We've
been covering this case for years now, and so far
four people have been found guilty in the plot to
murder this father of two young boys.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
And Donna Adelson, dan Markel's former mother in law, is
the latest conspirator to stand trial for this crime. Rachel
and I will be continuing to provide coverage every day
and will be joined by special guests throughout this special series.
We will be bringing you this every day that there
is trial coverage, So let's do this.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Welcome back to lm ELM's trial Updates. We are on
day two of the ongoing trial of Donna Adelson for
the murder of Dan Malechal and today we are joined
by Kylie from Primetime Crime with a K and again
by April and special special You guys can totally hear
(01:35):
my dog in the background. She's super excited too, because
today was a day a day, a day, but also
crime to burn special guests. Today we might have some
other folks jumping in to join us, but today.
Speaker 6 (01:47):
Was hell of a day.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
We had the most insane witnesses on stin.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
Today.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
We had Wendy Adelson, Wendy with an I, and for
the first time ever, we had a Bob Frickin' Adelson,
the third brother on the stand.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
He well, there was a small, really.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Quick testimony from the cop who was on site when
Wendy pulled up to Trescott Drive the day.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
That Dan Markel was shot and then pulled away.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
But Rob Adelson kind of us rounded us out for
the day and we've never heard him testify if I'm
not mistaken.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
So that was a hell of a hell of a day.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
So what I'm gonna do right now is I'm gonna
kick it over to Kylie, who got to watch it.
And if you guys don't know or haven't listened, Kylie
did a full on summer series on Primetime Crime this summer.
She actually covered the Pike County massacre, which I'm like
halfway through because Kylie, your coverage is deep on this
(02:50):
side County there's a lot, and it's it's amazing deep dive.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
M But last summer you covered the Dan Markel case.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
You didn't it was last time, right, and you did
an amazing and amazing job. And so I'm gonna could
get to you to kind of open us up. Tell
us what you thought about today's trial, any highlights that
you want to bring to the forefront, and then we
will kind of fill in anything else that we thought
was also.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Highlighted for today. What did you think about day two?
Speaker 7 (03:18):
Real quick?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I want to add Kylie. I want to add April
and Lee. If you guys have anything, Am I allowed
to say his name on the podcast? If you guys
have anything, just go ahead and shout it out there too.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
I know, I just put a duck noise like they
do anyways.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Just ask questions for whatever it is, all right, go ahead, Kylie?
Speaker 7 (03:37):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (03:37):
So I am about halfway through Wendy's testimony, but my
impression of all of it is I love that the prosecutor,
Georgia Kapelman is coming with receipts because she Wendy is saying,
I don't recall, I don't recall, and then Georgia's like
pull up, you know, Exhibit three B.
Speaker 7 (03:59):
There it is.
Speaker 8 (04:01):
She came with the receipts and I loved every minute
of it.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
I have to say, Kylie, I'm living for it because
I've been taking notes literally right and one of the
things I wrote down is like, you know, they they
keep saying like, let.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Me refresh your memory.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Yeah, because she'll say though she'll say, oh, I don't,
I don't recall, and they'll say, let me refresh your memory.
So there, the prosecution is talking to Wendy about her
you know, deceased ex husband who Dan Markell, who was
shot murdered in the driveway of their what used to
be shared home, and the prosecution goes, did you refer
(04:38):
to him as an STD? And Wendy response, I don't
remember saying to just saying that, and the prosecution literally
goes tab five.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
Yeah, it's does not refresh your memory.
Speaker 7 (04:49):
But I'm just like, yes, right there in black and white.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
Yes, I love it. You're right.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
That is definitely one thing I noticed too. Anything else
you want to, you've you've seen so far.
Speaker 8 (05:00):
I don't know about you guys, but I think Donna's
demeanor today, especially when Wendy was up there was just
I mean, I don't even know, like what's going through
her mind.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
She looks upset.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
I just feel like she's staring her down. She's just
star down.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yes, yes, that's like a control tactic from as as
away as possible.
Speaker 7 (05:26):
Like that just.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Shows like her control in her possession over even in
that situation.
Speaker 7 (05:33):
Like it's it's crazy to see that. I agree, it's why.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
Yeah, I have to say, I have to say I
totally agree with you guys.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
And one thing that I don't want to like spoiler
alert the rest of the rest of the testimony for you.
But you know, one thing that you can see that
the prosecution is trying to lay a major foundation of
is that, yes, like Donna Adelson controlled her children's lives,
that she was a major, you know, manipulator, that she
had a big hand in everything that she was, you know,
(06:03):
insofar as like literally helping draft and respond to divorce
proceedings and child custody agreements and things like that. But
one thing that I thought was very interesting about it
is she basically Wendy testified that she felt that her
mother was disappointed in her for the way that she
(06:25):
testified at her brother's trial. She felt that she didn't
she didn't stand up for her brother as well as
she Yeah, And I was like, interesting, second on the
cross examination of Wendy, who's testifying on behalf of the
state under a kind of immunity deal in so much
that anything she specifically testifies to cannot be held against her.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
That doesn't mean she can't.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Ever go on trial herself for any role that she
may have played in her ex husband's murder. But the
cross is almost making it It seemed like Wendy. Wendy
is the maybe one who started off like the way
(07:10):
that the cross was kind of wrapping up their cross
examination of her, their questioning of her, was making it
like this is all Wendy.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
This she was grilling, she.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Was grilling her. There were times that I was I
was very taken aback of, like, wait, who am I
listening to right now? Because you're definitely I thought you
were coming in a very like on the same side
or you know type thing, and not that that's who
she's there for. But and I understand that, But at
(07:40):
the same time, I was like, you're not helping like
some of the stuff she was saying. I was like,
I feel like you're painting the picture more against her.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
It was crazy, right and exactly, and it makes I.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
Mean to a certain extent, like it makes sense like right.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
You're you're there to defend your you know your client,
right and and this person, and it told makes sense
for a defense attorney on Cross to be more aggressive
toward a state Witnan's witness. You know, they're they're there
to defend their client. But it is interesting that they
they really let Wendy have it and they're almost painting
(08:15):
a picture.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
And this is part of this is part of the.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Thing they're they're they're they're they're trying to introduce reasonable
doubt here that it wasn't Donna who's the master conspirator
and who's the mastermind. It's maybe it's Wendy who is
the one who made all this up, and Donna is
just some innocent bystander, right, So I think that's what
they're trying to say.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
Well, so the other thing that I wanted to.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Bring up just because they started the day with more
administrative stuff and this is gonna happen in any trial,
but they they basically were going back and forth again
about this joint email situation because Donna and Harvey they
share this email and they're going back and forth and
back and forth about this whole idea that you know
(08:59):
what they keep calling the Grandma motion or whatever where basically,
you know, three four months before Dan Markel was murdered,
was when he filed emotion against Donna Adelson saying that
she cannot have you know, he does not want her
to have unsupervised contact with his children because of her
(09:21):
disparaging comments towards him that he's heard directly from his sons.
And the you know, the defense is trying to raise
this this idea that hey, you know, we don't know
if she even knew about this motion, because you know,
even though Wendy was was forwarded emails and stuff like.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
This, maybe they maybe only the dad saw it.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
And so they're trying to lay like the prosecution is
trying to say, look, most likely and based on the
pattern of responses and based on everything we know, Donna
saw it and responded to it at most and at
least definitely knew it existed, and and you know, saw
it at the very least.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
And the defense is trying to say, no, no, no,
you can't.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Even admit that into evidence, and they're you know, going
back and forth back and forth about about this and everything.
One thing I did find interesting, and I think we talked.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
About this before, but they really really did.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Hammer in the prosecution and going through these emails about
you know, they donna building out this whole what she
called a plan of action for for Wendy, where you're
gonna enroll the boys and you're gonna get the boys
baptized Catholic, they're gonna go to Catholic Church, they're gonna
(10:40):
go to Sunday School.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
You're gonna put on.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
The best act of your life. You can't tell anyone
this is pretend. You got to pretend it's real. I've
seen you be a good actress before, which I don't
know what that's even referencing.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
But she's like, you really got to give it to them,
and this.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Is so crazy, and I mean, props to Wendy in
this situation. This is maybe one of the only times
I'll ever say prompts to Wendy. But she told her mom,
I'm not doing any of this right, like, you're this
is no and they even, you know, they the prosecution
did even you know, I guess again to Wendy's credit
they have met, although she continuously said I don't remember
(11:20):
saying that, and they had to continuously say.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
Here tap forty five, tap forty.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Six to forty seven, where she's like, my mom is
you know, emotional subterfuge, which I remember.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Being a very specific, like very.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Like, oh wow, that's a very specific phrase that your
mom's a controlling person that you know, do you feel
like your mom is involved in your personal life and
involved in your professional life? The whole part about her
mom creating Imagine this, you guys, and let's get some
audience participation in this. Imagine your mother creating you a
(12:01):
dating profile online and then sending you some of the
people in saying what do you think about this guy?
Speaker 6 (12:10):
This guy, and this guy he seems nice? Oh my gosh.
Speaker 8 (12:16):
Wild behavior.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
Can you even imagine?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
No? And I don't know why I would think that
it would make a little bit more sense, you know
how like if you were a young mother, right and
you had like a smaller age gap. I don't know
exactly what their age gap. But she's not young, Like,
she's not young, she's older.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
Why are you? How do you even know how to
download these apps?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
And do this kind of stuff like my mom would
never I know, I.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Know, it's insane. It's it's absolutely insane.
Speaker 8 (12:48):
It's so weird, weird behavior.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
I was just absolutely blown away by the amount of.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
Not just involvement.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
I mean, I've seen parents want to be involved in
their children's lives, and that's fine, but the amount of
like I'm literally going to set up a like set
up a dating profile for you, and then I'm gonna
pick some guys.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
I'm going to I think.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
That the literal word was quote unquote pre screen them
for you.
Speaker 8 (13:17):
Yeah, it's just so weird.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
It's absolutely crazy.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
And then the fact that she picked Dan like she
liked Dan, and then everything that has transpired allegedly has transpired.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, I just can't I know, I.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
Know, it's just again that amount of control.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
It's like the way the way that I see her
in her brain allegedly allegedly is I brought you into
Wendy's life and I can take you out like that's
how I that's how I hear her like talking like
in in in her.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Life, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
The other thing I thought was interesting, especially because the
last witness the way they kind of wrapped up the
way they kind of wrapped up the day was they talked,
they did inter they they did talk to Wendy and
they said, okay, so the day of Dan Markel's murder,
what did you do?
Speaker 6 (14:14):
You had the you know, TV repair guy come by.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
In the morning, and then they they said okay, and
then you did drive by Trescott.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
You did see the.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Police tape, and then you did see the police tape
literally on the street where your ex husband lives, where
your children had stayed the night before, and like maybe
she you know, I mean, she had exchanged text message
with with Dan earlier that day, so maybe she could
confirm that, like, Okay, the boys were definitely at daycare,
(14:45):
so she didn't have any reason to be worried that
the boys were maybe in danger. But like, I'm sorry,
if if you saw, like why wouldn't your first thing
to be like send a quick text to Dan and
be like, hey, there's police tape on your on your street, dude,
Like what's going on?
Speaker 6 (15:06):
Just confirming the boys got dropped off at daycare?
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Everything cool, like you know, but no, none of that
at all, And you know, she but but basically they
had the police officer who was on duty when they
blocked off the street.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
He was standing, you know.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Basically on guard where the tape was, and he said
he found it.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
He remembers it in his.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Head because she was driving the same vehicle that was
his family vehicle, right, And he said he remembered it.
Just stood out that the way she pulled up and
then three point turn.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Didn't say anything, didn't ask any questions.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Pulled up, three point turn, boot booked it back out,
and so just was very suspect behavior.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
Oh yeah, definitely, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
The other thing that I wrote down from her testimony,
which I'm sure I've heard before, but I think I
must have forgotten it, was that one of the things
she had said after, you know, because when she was
originally first questioned the day of Dan Markel's murder, she
had called her mom and said, Mom, sit down, I
have something to tell you.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Dan's been shot.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
And one thing that she is on record saying is, well,
my parents sounded really surprised.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
So that's at least.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
The release, Yes, what.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
She said that, Oh my gosh, she said that during
the interview, like your initial police interview. Oh, I'm so
relieved that they sounded surprise.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
What And I was talking to my husband about this,
I'm like, that's a crazy thing to say, and he's like,
but doesn't that play like well like they were they
were surprised, And I was like, no, it doesn't. What
it tells me if I was a juror, is that
Wendy had it in her head at some point, whether
it was a joke or not, whatever you want to
(17:00):
whatever you want to say, is that Wendy had it
in her head at some point, that her parents were
capable of doing this, and the fact that they are
now quote unquote surprised is that they actually did have
it in there like that. It was like they did
have the capability of doing something like this.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
But on Cross they went right back trying to like
say like, oh, afterwards, wasn't it true that in her voice,
like in her voice you could hear her sound concern,
and it's like, yeah, but she didn't say that off
like off the bat, you know, like she said exactly.
Speaker 7 (17:37):
What was on her mind and what she was thinking
at that moment.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Yeah, yeah, I personally, And again I don't know I
said this, I said this last week.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
I don't know if this is just me being.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Obviously very partial in this case, knowing what I know,
I don't think the defense is mounting very good Cross here, and.
Speaker 8 (17:57):
I agree, not so far.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
I hope that they're gonna I mean, I don't hope
that they'll do a better.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Job, but I feel that they need to do a
better job if they're gonna, if they're gonna be able
to because we.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Know that right now, a lot of this is just foundational.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
We know that, you know, there's definitely more to come,
especially when it comes to you know, they're they're definitely
gonna get to interviews with the undercover agents who uh,
we're doing the sting operation, who are doing the bump,
and that's gonna be where I think a lot of
the really, you know, the the the big evidence is
(18:35):
gonna be specifically against Donna's involvement. So they're really gonna
have to do well on Cross when it comes to that.
But I feel that they're not doing a great job
on Cross.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
But like one of the things that they talk about
over and over or for a while, I should say,
is the fact that when they went to I forget
what the actual well hearing was called, but the custody
one or the emergency motion for her to try to
move that whole situation.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Yes, So they.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Talk about the fact that it was Wendy's doing for
it to have came to that decision, and that she
never gave that information to her mom, and I wish.
Speaker 7 (19:22):
I knew the exact words.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
But what happened was she ended up like calling it
and it was never even the judge's decision. It was
like Wendy's doing that it never went through. And so
when she came out of that hearing about the boys
and stuff and she told her mom, like, no, we
can't do it, her mom thought it was just because
(19:44):
the judge said it, when in actuality, it was Wendy
who kind of like brought it to a close.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
And am I making sense? Do you know what I'm
talking about right now?
Speaker 4 (19:54):
No?
Speaker 3 (19:55):
I know, I wish I knew the exact I was
just trying to find it because there was like a
a name that they kept saying.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
So the thing that they said, right the the whole
thing was they Wendy wanted relocation. She wanted to say,
and she raised all these reasons and the judge basically said,
you're no. With prejudice, you cannot bring up relocation again, Windy, No,
and so.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
But there was something something happened in that court and
it came they went back and forth about it today
where it ultimately ended up being her decision to kind
of like not cancel, but.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
I'm gonna have to look into it. We're gonna talk
about this.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, I'm sorry. No, now I'm super irritated that I
can't think of what it was called. But the whole,
the whole reason it came up was because the person,
the defense one was saying like, well, isn't it true that.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
You lied to your mom?
Speaker 3 (20:59):
You lied to her her, And if you would have just
told her the truth that this is what you wanted
to do, wouldn't she have felt differently? Because if she
knew it was what you wanted to do, why would
she hire something? Why would she do this? Why would
she supposedly go out of her way if she knew
it was what you wanted to do.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
And you saw that line of questioning, Yeah, but I
thought it was because I thought it was because basically
Wendy had told on direct she had said I'm done
pursuing it. Because the judge made the decision relocation was
off the table with prejudice, so I was done pursuing
any type of relocation. And that's what she had said
(21:38):
on direct so I thought that was what they were
referring to. But look into it because maybe.
Speaker 7 (21:43):
Yeah, there was a certain word that there's a lot
not remember that. I was like, take you throw.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Around a lot of like big legalese that sometimes I
was like, wait.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
And with Wendy being an attorney, right, like they even said,
you knew what you were doing. You knew that it was,
you know, going.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
This way in this direction. So for you to go tell.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Your mom, hey, this is what happened, you clearly lied
about it.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
So that's what I'm.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
Really pitting mother against daughter.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
And I did think it was interesting right that when
they asked, Wendy, when's the last time you talked to
your mom? Basically right after Charlie's trial, she hasn't talked
to her.
Speaker 8 (22:18):
Yeah, no, I think she said end of twenty twenty three, right,
November twenty twenty three, I think, which.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Would have been right around the time that Ye was arrested.
Speaker 8 (22:27):
Right, yeah, wow, easy.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
So that's why you know she was sitting there staring
at her trying to make eye contact, and Wendy would
not like.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
I don't know when you're looking at but Donna's staring
her down.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
And when they said, like, can you identify your mother
in the courtroom, she was like yeah, the one I'm like,
she couldn't even.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Like do it. That was like a tense moment.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
It was awkward.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
Yeah, so awkward.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
There was one other.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
So the only other thing because I knew we were
talking about it in the group chat a little bit.
I posted a picture the fact that they have the
photo with Catherine mag Banawha, who is already arrested in charge,
and so it's like three of them at the beach
and they talk about, Okay, well, you clearly had a
relationship or knew this person more than just a hey
(23:16):
she was, you know, hired, and we they talk about
the fact that okay, but Charlie got around. So it's
like very clear that maybe Katie wasn't his only girlfriend.
Speaker 7 (23:29):
And that he had numerous girlfriends it was and so
how do you keep up?
Speaker 5 (23:33):
The prosecution was like, so you knew Katie and she's
like yes, and then you knew.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Like yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, and made me think of the Peggy Pablo song.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
And it was like, yikes, But I did find it
interesting that they said that they were asking Wendy, that
does make me think, like you had WhatsApp?
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Did you ever talk to mag Banawha via WhatsApp? And
she's like yo?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
And the thing is, what's app supposed to be, you know,
encrypted into encryption, So you know, I don't know if
they're keeping something up their sleep or when them maybe
one day allegedly who knows ever if they're going to
do it, charged Wendy adoleson. But that would be interesting
if they ever did have messages WhatsApp messages between Katie,
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Wendy and anybody right about this, So that'd be interesting.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Yeah, yeah, anything else we want to talk about when
we get to a Man of the Hour, Rob.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I know that was that was pretty much it for me.
I feel like there was it was hard for me
at a moment. You know this, I mean our feed,
I know, Kylie, April, you guys, our feed specifically is
mom related stuff and so this was actually there was
moments that were so hard for me to watch in
my heart because it's like, what has she done to
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this family? And then when Rob went on there, That's
why I'm like can we avoid this conversation because I
might cry. Just seeing his face made me so sad.
Speaker 8 (25:03):
But I'm like, so sad, I can't even imagine.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
I had two things go ahead.
Speaker 9 (25:11):
First of all, going all the way back to when
we were talking about the email and you mentioned like
maybe only her dad saw the email and not her mom,
could you imagine getting an email that was that impactful
in your life at that moment and not telling your spouse.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 9 (25:27):
And the second thing is, so from what I'm hearing
from you guys, do you, guys, do you think that
Wendy will be charged in the future or do you
think that she really was surprised when her mom and
we put this together.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
You are such that is such a good question, because
literally Zach asked me that question today and this is
my feeling. Allegedly Heather's opinion one hundred percent alleged Heather's opinion.
I think Wendy had an idea, knew that her family
potentially was planning some thing and.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Had something in the works.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
I really it's fifty to fifty whether she knew exact details.
I think she purposely chose not to know exact details.
Like plausible deniability one hundred percent did not want to
know details because A they've established that like Wendy wouldn't
be able to handle it, and and B I think
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she she was like, I need to stay far away
from this.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
But I think she knew. I think she knew.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
She chose not to know a lot, whether or not
there's enough evidence that they could actually charge her.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Kylie, I need to Yeah, Kylie, I'm with you.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
I I think I think she knew, my opinion, allegedly.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
I do.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
I don't know if she knew details.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
But I also have a really hard time knowing that
Dan had the kids that day, and there is a
chance that one of them could have been sick or
something and could have been in the car.
Speaker 10 (27:14):
And I don't know if I don't know, Like I
don't know if she would have knowingly put her kids
in a situation like that, But.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I don't know that I think about that that part
often too, going into this, like before listening to this trial,
or like hearing a lot from the Charlie trial and.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
So when Heather first told me this, there was part
of me that was very Wendy knew nothing.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
Wendy wasn't a part of it.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
They totally plotted this to try to help their daughter
and their dumb ass idiots. And I don't want to
say I was on her, but I did think that
she was naive to all of it or did not
know that it happened. As we get into some of
the things that came out of Rob's mouth and other
things that I've heard, it makes me kind of go
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the opposite direction and say she definitely knew, allegedly definitely
knew certain things that were happening, because I mean, one
of the things that comes up with Rob is when
she's texting him and sending stuff. So we'll get into that.
Speaker 11 (28:27):
But I switched, I completely switched over where I'm like,
I felt like she was possibly not a part of it,
and now from what I'm hearing, there's not a possibility
anymore for me.
Speaker 12 (28:40):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
So that's and that's that's what we'll we'll talk about
next and maybe April, after you hear this, we can
hear your opinion. Yeah, I want to know and not
you think Wendy. Wendy knows. So they talked to Rob.
Now Rob is the eldest of the three. So it
goes Rob, Charlie and then Wendy's the baby.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
They're asking him so basic, you know.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Okay, so you know Donna's controlling, Yes, Donna's rigid.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Yes, who is she most involved with?
Speaker 5 (29:08):
And he's like he she was. She's always been involved
in Charlie's life. He always needed the most attention. And
then when Wendy started, you know, dealing with a lot
of the stuff with with with Danny, she was very
involved in in that.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
You know, but how how long has he been estranged
from his family?
Speaker 6 (29:27):
See?
Speaker 7 (29:27):
That thing that that's important.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
To add as well, is that he is he has
been separated from his family. He has while yeah, and
so I mean it's not like he that to me
is very different too.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Sorry, Yeah, And that's what's hard, is like he does
not have So you consider when you consider it, like
all the the ato sins, well specifically Charlie and and
Wendy will say like we are a close fan, Well,
we're a close family. Like they spent considerable amount of
time together and we're in pretty constant contact.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
That was not the case with Rob.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
It didn't mean that they didn't speak or talk because
rob will as you'll see through the testimony, like he
was privy to some of the goings on when especially
when it came to a Wendy's divorce and when things
start to go down with Dan, but he wasn't. He
(30:22):
would did not know the daily ins and out because
he was, like Rachel said, as.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Strange and and he he he.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Had kind of distanced himself, I think from from the
controllingness of his mother. Probably a good call in the
long run, right, So he testified to that, he testified
to kind of the dynamic of the family and then
the big, the big kind of kahuna is that. So
(30:52):
he testified too, and that he there was a specific
text conversation between him and his sister, and he remembers
it being unique and weird and suck out to him
specifically because the first thing that was.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
Weird to him was that she texted him and let
him know.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Basically that she was going on a trip with a boyfriend.
And he thought it was weird because A she didn't
tell him when she was dating people. They didn't really
have that kind of relationship, so he thought that was weird.
A B. He thought it was weird that he knew
about this boyfriend, and supposedly her parents didn't. She specifically
(31:36):
told Rob the parents don't know, please don't tell them,
and he's like, bet, I won't tell mom and dad. Cool,
And he thought, that is strange to me that a
Wendy's telling me about her love life and b that
I know before my parents do, especially considering how close
she was with their parents and how not close he.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
Was with the whole family.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
And then when Dan's death happens, and when Dan.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
Is I shouldn't say death.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
When Dan was murdered, Rob testifies that he felt the
need to tell police about this boyfriend that Wendy had
mentioned because he's like, look, I know she had this
boyfriend that may have been a secret boyfriend that maybe
people don't know about, that my parents maybe didn't even
know about. I feel that I need to tell somebody
because I need to clear my conscience here, like I
(32:29):
need people to know. So he tells police about Jeff.
This is really setting a foundation to what will will
probably come to.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
See come out in further testimony. But I'm just making
a prediction here.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
I mean, at some point I'm guessing Jeff will come
and testify because he did testify in Charlie's and Katie's.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
I believe.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Definitely in Charlie's and I think in Katie's that he
felt the Mark Hell's were setting him up to be
a fall guy. He felt that, which would have definitely
which definitely points to Wendy having way more of a
you know, people like being way more involved in this
(33:18):
than you know, maybe not knowing details and maybe just
you know, being plausible deniability. But the fact that Wendy
tells her brother that she doesn't normally talk to, Hey,
I have this secret boyfriend, you know, And and they
also during Wendy's testimony, they ask, Wendy, did you ever
(33:38):
tell your boyfriend Jeff that your brother had looked into
hitman for Dan? And she denied it. Of course, she's
always denied it. But it's a he said, She said
conversation because Jeff says, no, what freaking happened.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
And so it's always gonna be he said.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
She said, They're never going to be able to, you know,
confirm one way or another.
Speaker 6 (34:01):
They're always that's always gonna be a he said.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
She said, But Jeff, you know, and I'm sure the
prosecution is probably my guess is they're gonna They're gonna
also kind of paint this theory that the Markell's were
gonna use Jeff as a fall guy instead of this
being a random hitman, you know, they they were gonna
try to use Jeff as a as a as a
(34:23):
scapegoat for.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
This entire thing.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
The other thing that I found really interesting that I
don't think i'd ever heard before, or if I had,
it's been a long time and I don't remember.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
When.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
After Dan Markell was murdered, the FBI came to rob
and question him. He's obviously connected to the family, and
he spoke.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
To law enforcement. What the fuck does he have excuse
my language, What the hell does he have to hide?
Speaker 5 (34:53):
You know, his his ex brother in law was brutally murdered.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
He's willing to help. How every this is Dan Markel like,
this was my you know, brother in law for for
several years. I want and they have no idea, they
have no leads. Heck, yeah, I'm gonna talk to law enforcement.
He had spoken to law enforcement.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
His mother called him and said, don't talk to the cops,
and he said, well, mom, I already did. And her
reply was, well, you don't know anything anyway, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
What, Yeah, that was absolutely crazy and my whole jaw
was on the floor. And it goes even further than that,
because then he has more like another conversation on the
phone with her, and then that's the final conversation.
Speaker 7 (35:43):
It like they're done.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
They don't speak anymore.
Speaker 7 (35:46):
You tell about that one.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
It's when he finally sees that there's an arrest and
he calls his mom again.
Speaker 7 (35:53):
So Arna says, he doesn't call her.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
He waits two days until it's his anniversary and then
she calls.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
But so he yeah, so he said that if you
know that, he said that, you know, this is huge news.
It's national news, and it's obviously important to their family.
I mean, the father of his nephew's and his mother's
grandsons has been murdered and there's no suspects for years.
(36:21):
And he's like, it's crazy because whenever I would bring
it up and say, Mom, who the heck do you
think did this?
Speaker 6 (36:25):
Like what's going on?
Speaker 5 (36:27):
He said, the subject would be his his words was
re routed and that like it was just never brought
up in conversation, and he just felt that that was
out of character for his mother.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Let alone people like I if a member.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Of your family was was murdered and there was no suspects, like,
that's a conversation like that's like, oh my god, like
what the hell are like, what's going on? And he
and he definitely felt that it was out of character
for his mother, and so he said what happened was
an arrest was finally made, right, and he was expecting
and he found out about it because this is national news.
(37:02):
His coworkers were even talking about it. He's expecting to
hear about it from his family. Nobody says not a nothing, zilch.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
Two days later, he gets a call.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
From his mother because it happens to be his anniversary.
They're talking happy anniversary, No, no, no, no, no, and finally
he broaches the subject, Mom, there's been an arrest made
and then she's like, Noah has nothing.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
To do with me.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
No words sick and shock.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
I can't even imagine that.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
And I'm correct, right, that was their last conversation. Yeah,
I after that, and I mean they don't go into
the fact, Like my next question would have been, did
you try calling her again?
Speaker 7 (37:50):
Did she try reaching out to you again?
Speaker 3 (37:52):
We didn't hear any of that, but it was left
at that. That was their final conversation, which to me.
Speaker 7 (37:58):
Is telling to me that is even anything else.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
It's like, oh, someone's looking into this in your own
family and you want nothing to okay.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
Weird yep, And I think at that point it's very
telling that like he knows now, and then I think
she also knows that he knows, and it's done.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
Yeah, So that's that's how So April, what do you
think about Wendy based on based on what you've heard?
Speaker 12 (38:31):
Do?
Speaker 6 (38:32):
What do you think about Wendy?
Speaker 9 (38:35):
So it sounds like that, you know, I think I
agree with what you said that she knew her family
was capable of it. Maybe there had been talk of
it in front of her, and she was probably like,
you know, you guys can't talk about this in front
of me, allegedly, and maybe just didn't take as proactive
as a role as she maybe should.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
Have and anything bad from happening.
Speaker 9 (38:58):
But you know, I'm not very familiar with the case.
Basically everything about the case I know from like one
news article expand and then this conversation and the one
we add on Friday, So it's interesting to learn about
it sort of in real time as the trial's word.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
I love that we get to introduce you to this April.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
It's like it's it's exactly how I like living out
my would be newscaster dreams.
Speaker 6 (39:21):
This is amazing.
Speaker 7 (39:22):
For me, This is important. This was the most memorable moment.
Speaker 12 (39:28):
You were asked questions about. You know, your mom never
suggested any harm to Dan Markell to you, but she
did want to bribe him. Yes, yes, take control from him.
Weren't those her words? Yes, Aggravate him, yes, Scare him.
Speaker 9 (39:48):
I don't remember scare him, but I'm I believe that
was part of it.
Speaker 12 (39:53):
Give him some grief, yes, take something from him, Yes,
show that fucker would make him absolutely miserable.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
Yes, but definitely not kill him.
Speaker 8 (40:05):
Right.
Speaker 6 (40:08):
I don't know what the question is.
Speaker 12 (40:10):
Donna was caring and devoted to your boys. You were
asked about that.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
That's true for real, though, I'm telling you prosecution a
plus plus plus plus.
Speaker 8 (40:22):
Plus Yeah, that might drop on that one, for real.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
For absolute real. Yep, who I'm telling you. This was
a This was a day.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
This was a day, Wendy.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
She was on that stam for a why yull a,
why yull I mean, and she's probably I can't imagine
this is gonna be the last time Wendy.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
Adelson's I didn't say so.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Now they didn't release her right like she can.
Speaker 5 (40:53):
She'll be called potentially be called back for something else.
Most likely she's you know, she's done for a big
her big chunk. But she might be called back for something.
But most likely she's done for for the big the
big part of her big part of her testimony.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
But yeah, maybe you guys know the answer to this.
But are we gonna hear from Charlie.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
He's on the witness, he's there, Okay, they pulled him
from where you know, he's serving his prisons and and
so he's.
Speaker 7 (41:24):
He's in state.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
Ready, it's just a matter of you know, but I
don't we'll see if he actually provides anything of substance
because of what he'll you know, what he's actually gonna say,
because he's still you know, he's probably still gonna fight
be fighting an appeal.
Speaker 6 (41:43):
So you know, we'll have to see what he actually
is gonna testify to.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
All Right, Yeah, I'm eager for tomorrow. Today was a lot,
I want to say. I had it on the big screen.
I was watching it as I was cleaning. I was
working on my computer and then at I was supposed
to be cleaning even more and I just stood because
my phone had died. So I just stood attached to
the wall for like two hours, just like at this
(42:08):
like cornered section where I could barely see the TV.
Speaker 7 (42:12):
I'm like, I should get more comfortable, but I never did.
I just stood there.
Speaker 5 (42:17):
I'm telling you, I was on my iPad for the day,
just like walking around like i'd be like working and
like the iPad and like working in the iPad, like
walking around and yeah, it was it was today with
the windy and rob. I was like ready for ready
for the drama. So we will see what unfolds tomorrow.
Please join us again tomorrow if you can, for day
(42:39):
three of the Donna Adolson on Trial for Dan Markel
like motherlike murder coverage. We will be bringing this every
day that there's there's trial, so continue to join us.
We are just ready to continue to bring daily updates
to you all.
Speaker 6 (42:58):
Thank you again.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
We're gonna give another chance for our wonderful special guests
to just shout out very quickly, where are they, who
they are, what they represent? Because this is just so
much better with UH with our special guest. So, Kylie,
why don't you share with our with our listeners where
(43:19):
they can find you.
Speaker 8 (43:22):
So my podcast is Primetime Crime. That's Prime with a K.
And everyone asked me why I did Crime with a K.
I did it for Kylie and I want.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
To give you a friend.
Speaker 8 (43:32):
I wanted to stand out and I mostly cover unsolved
cold cases. You can find my podcast wherever you get
your podcasts and on Instagram. I am at Primetime Crime pod.
Speaker 7 (43:46):
Yeah, she is all right, April, take it away.
Speaker 9 (43:50):
So I'm April. I'm the host of Crime to Burn.
We focus on crimes involving arson and criminal fires because
I'm a fire expert. And you can find me for
Crime to Burn everywhere all the social media's and of
course you can get us wherever you get your podcasts
or on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
I think it's exciting. I love having Kylie here. I
know Kylie has been equally invested in this case, just
right alongside Heather and many others. The majority of what
I've learned has been from both.
Speaker 7 (44:20):
Of you guys. To be honest, and then it's fun
for me, April. I hope you're here.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
The majority of our trial date discussions because seeing I
want to see and rack your brain towards the end of.
Speaker 7 (44:34):
All these conversations.
Speaker 6 (44:35):
I'm excited.
Speaker 7 (44:36):
Someone who hasn't you know, don't into it, so.
Speaker 6 (44:40):
For sure it will be very interesting.
Speaker 5 (44:43):
I know we're always just gonna end end it with
like April, Now, what do you think for having like that?
Because I am super biased obviously, like I'm super partial,
so it is good to have like a perspective from
someone who's just like, you know, I don't know too much,
so let's see.
Speaker 6 (44:57):
I like that. I like the variet we have in
our commentators. I love it. Well, join us here again
tomorrow for day three.
Speaker 5 (45:06):
Everybody, thank you so much, and we will check you tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (45:09):
Is everybody ready? Three? One? Bye,
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
This is Like Mother, Like Murder, and.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Right now is Like Mother Like Murders Trial Updates, where
we will be providing daily coverage in the ongoing trial
of Donna Adelson for the murder of Dan Markel. We've
been covering this case for years now, and so far
four people have been found guilty in the plot to
murder this father of two young boys.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
And Donna Adelson, dan Markel's former mother in law, is
the latest conspirator to stand trial for this crime. Rachel
and I will be continuing to provide coverage every day
and will be joined by special guests throughout this special series.
We will be bringing you this every day that there
is trial coverage, So let's do this.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Welcome back to lm ELM's trial Updates. We are on
day two of the ongoing trial of Donna Adelson for
the murder of Dan Malechal and today we are joined
by Kylie from Primetime Crime with a K and again
by April and special special You guys can totally hear
(01:35):
my dog in the background. She's super excited too, because
today was a day a day, a day, but also
crime to burn special guests. Today we might have some
other folks jumping in to join us, but today.
Speaker 6 (01:47):
Was hell of a day.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
We had the most insane witnesses on stin.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
Today.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
We had Wendy Adelson, Wendy with an I, and for
the first time ever, we had a Bob Frickin' Adelson,
the third brother on the stand.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
He well, there was a small, really.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Quick testimony from the cop who was on site when
Wendy pulled up to Trescott Drive the day.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
That Dan Markel was shot and then pulled away.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
But Rob Adelson kind of us rounded us out for
the day and we've never heard him testify if I'm
not mistaken.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
So that was a hell of a hell of a day.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
So what I'm gonna do right now is I'm gonna
kick it over to Kylie, who got to watch it.
And if you guys don't know or haven't listened, Kylie
did a full on summer series on Primetime Crime this summer.
She actually covered the Pike County massacre, which I'm like
halfway through because Kylie, your coverage is deep on this
(02:50):
side County there's a lot, and it's it's amazing deep dive.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
M But last summer you covered the Dan Markel case.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
You didn't it was last time, right, and you did
an amazing and amazing job. And so I'm gonna could
get to you to kind of open us up. Tell
us what you thought about today's trial, any highlights that
you want to bring to the forefront, and then we
will kind of fill in anything else that we thought
was also.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Highlighted for today. What did you think about day two?
Speaker 7 (03:18):
Real quick?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I want to add Kylie. I want to add April
and Lee. If you guys have anything, Am I allowed
to say his name on the podcast? If you guys
have anything, just go ahead and shout it out there too.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
I know, I just put a duck noise like they
do anyways.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Just ask questions for whatever it is, all right, go ahead, Kylie?
Speaker 7 (03:37):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (03:37):
So I am about halfway through Wendy's testimony, but my
impression of all of it is I love that the prosecutor,
Georgia Kapelman is coming with receipts because she Wendy is saying,
I don't recall, I don't recall, and then Georgia's like
pull up, you know, Exhibit three B.
Speaker 7 (03:59):
There it is.
Speaker 8 (04:01):
She came with the receipts and I loved every minute
of it.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
I have to say, Kylie, I'm living for it because
I've been taking notes literally right and one of the
things I wrote down is like, you know, they they
keep saying like, let.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Me refresh your memory.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Yeah, because she'll say though she'll say, oh, I don't,
I don't recall, and they'll say, let me refresh your memory.
So there, the prosecution is talking to Wendy about her
you know, deceased ex husband who Dan Markell, who was
shot murdered in the driveway of their what used to
be shared home, and the prosecution goes, did you refer
(04:38):
to him as an STD? And Wendy response, I don't
remember saying to just saying that, and the prosecution literally
goes tab five.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
Yeah, it's does not refresh your memory.
Speaker 7 (04:49):
But I'm just like, yes, right there in black and white.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
Yes, I love it. You're right.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
That is definitely one thing I noticed too. Anything else
you want to, you've you've seen so far.
Speaker 8 (05:00):
I don't know about you guys, but I think Donna's
demeanor today, especially when Wendy was up there was just
I mean, I don't even know, like what's going through
her mind.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
She looks upset.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
I just feel like she's staring her down. She's just
star down.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yes, yes, that's like a control tactic from as as
away as possible.
Speaker 7 (05:26):
Like that just.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Shows like her control in her possession over even in
that situation.
Speaker 7 (05:33):
Like it's it's crazy to see that. I agree, it's why.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
Yeah, I have to say, I have to say I
totally agree with you guys.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
And one thing that I don't want to like spoiler
alert the rest of the rest of the testimony for you.
But you know, one thing that you can see that
the prosecution is trying to lay a major foundation of
is that, yes, like Donna Adelson controlled her children's lives,
that she was a major, you know, manipulator, that she
had a big hand in everything that she was, you know,
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insofar as like literally helping draft and respond to divorce
proceedings and child custody agreements and things like that. But
one thing that I thought was very interesting about it
is she basically Wendy testified that she felt that her
mother was disappointed in her for the way that she
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testified at her brother's trial. She felt that she didn't
she didn't stand up for her brother as well as
she Yeah, And I was like, interesting, second on the
cross examination of Wendy, who's testifying on behalf of the
state under a kind of immunity deal in so much
that anything she specifically testifies to cannot be held against her.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
That doesn't mean she can't.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Ever go on trial herself for any role that she
may have played in her ex husband's murder. But the
cross is almost making it It seemed like Wendy. Wendy
is the maybe one who started off like the way
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that the cross was kind of wrapping up their cross
examination of her, their questioning of her, was making it
like this is all Wendy.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
This she was grilling, she.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Was grilling her. There were times that I was I
was very taken aback of, like, wait, who am I
listening to right now? Because you're definitely I thought you
were coming in a very like on the same side
or you know type thing, and not that that's who
she's there for. But and I understand that, But at
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the same time, I was like, you're not helping like
some of the stuff she was saying. I was like,
I feel like you're painting the picture more against her.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
It was crazy, right and exactly, and it makes I.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
Mean to a certain extent, like it makes sense like right.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
You're you're there to defend your you know your client,
right and and this person, and it told makes sense
for a defense attorney on Cross to be more aggressive
toward a state Witnan's witness. You know, they're they're there
to defend their client. But it is interesting that they
they really let Wendy have it and they're almost painting
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a picture.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
And this is part of this is part of the.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Thing they're they're they're they're they're trying to introduce reasonable
doubt here that it wasn't Donna who's the master conspirator
and who's the mastermind. It's maybe it's Wendy who is
the one who made all this up, and Donna is
just some innocent bystander, right, So I think that's what
they're trying to say.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
Well, so the other thing that I wanted to.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Bring up just because they started the day with more
administrative stuff and this is gonna happen in any trial,
but they they basically were going back and forth again
about this joint email situation because Donna and Harvey they
share this email and they're going back and forth and
back and forth about this whole idea that you know
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what they keep calling the Grandma motion or whatever where basically,
you know, three four months before Dan Markel was murdered,
was when he filed emotion against Donna Adelson saying that
she cannot have you know, he does not want her
to have unsupervised contact with his children because of her
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disparaging comments towards him that he's heard directly from his sons.
And the you know, the defense is trying to raise
this this idea that hey, you know, we don't know
if she even knew about this motion, because you know,
even though Wendy was was forwarded emails and stuff like.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
This, maybe they maybe only the dad saw it.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
And so they're trying to lay like the prosecution is
trying to say, look, most likely and based on the
pattern of responses and based on everything we know, Donna
saw it and responded to it at most and at
least definitely knew it existed, and and you know, saw
it at the very least.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
And the defense is trying to say, no, no, no,
you can't.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Even admit that into evidence, and they're you know, going
back and forth back and forth about about this and everything.
One thing I did find interesting, and I think we talked.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
About this before, but they really really did.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Hammer in the prosecution and going through these emails about
you know, they donna building out this whole what she
called a plan of action for for Wendy, where you're
gonna enroll the boys and you're gonna get the boys
baptized Catholic, they're gonna go to Catholic Church, they're gonna
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go to Sunday School.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
You're gonna put on.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
The best act of your life. You can't tell anyone
this is pretend. You got to pretend it's real. I've
seen you be a good actress before, which I don't
know what that's even referencing.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
But she's like, you really got to give it to them,
and this.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Is so crazy, and I mean, props to Wendy in
this situation. This is maybe one of the only times
I'll ever say prompts to Wendy. But she told her mom,
I'm not doing any of this right, like, you're this
is no and they even, you know, they the prosecution
did even you know, I guess again to Wendy's credit
they have met, although she continuously said I don't remember
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saying that, and they had to continuously say.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
Here tap forty five, tap forty.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Six to forty seven, where she's like, my mom is
you know, emotional subterfuge, which I remember.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Being a very specific, like very.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Like, oh wow, that's a very specific phrase that your
mom's a controlling person that you know, do you feel
like your mom is involved in your personal life and
involved in your professional life? The whole part about her
mom creating Imagine this, you guys, and let's get some
audience participation in this. Imagine your mother creating you a
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dating profile online and then sending you some of the
people in saying what do you think about this guy?
Speaker 6 (12:10):
This guy, and this guy he seems nice? Oh my gosh.
Speaker 8 (12:16):
Wild behavior.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
Can you even imagine?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
No? And I don't know why I would think that
it would make a little bit more sense, you know
how like if you were a young mother, right and
you had like a smaller age gap. I don't know
exactly what their age gap. But she's not young, Like,
she's not young, she's older.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
Why are you? How do you even know how to
download these apps?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
And do this kind of stuff like my mom would
never I know, I.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Know, it's insane. It's it's absolutely insane.
Speaker 8 (12:48):
It's so weird, weird behavior.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
I was just absolutely blown away by the amount of.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
Not just involvement.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
I mean, I've seen parents want to be involved in
their children's lives, and that's fine, but the amount of
like I'm literally going to set up a like set
up a dating profile for you, and then I'm gonna
pick some guys.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
I'm going to I think.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
That the literal word was quote unquote pre screen them
for you.
Speaker 8 (13:17):
Yeah, it's just so weird.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
It's absolutely crazy.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
And then the fact that she picked Dan like she
liked Dan, and then everything that has transpired allegedly has transpired.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, I just can't I know, I.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
Know, it's just again that amount of control.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
It's like the way the way that I see her
in her brain allegedly allegedly is I brought you into
Wendy's life and I can take you out like that's
how I that's how I hear her like talking like
in in in her.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Life, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
The other thing I thought was interesting, especially because the
last witness the way they kind of wrapped up the
way they kind of wrapped up the day was they talked,
they did inter they they did talk to Wendy and
they said, okay, so the day of Dan Markel's murder,
what did you do?
Speaker 6 (14:14):
You had the you know, TV repair guy come by.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
In the morning, and then they they said okay, and
then you did drive by Trescott.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
You did see the.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Police tape, and then you did see the police tape
literally on the street where your ex husband lives, where
your children had stayed the night before, and like maybe
she you know, I mean, she had exchanged text message
with with Dan earlier that day, so maybe she could
confirm that, like, Okay, the boys were definitely at daycare,
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so she didn't have any reason to be worried that
the boys were maybe in danger. But like, I'm sorry,
if if you saw, like why wouldn't your first thing
to be like send a quick text to Dan and
be like, hey, there's police tape on your on your street, dude,
Like what's going on?
Speaker 6 (15:06):
Just confirming the boys got dropped off at daycare?
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Everything cool, like you know, but no, none of that
at all, And you know, she but but basically they
had the police officer who was on duty when they
blocked off the street.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
He was standing, you know.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Basically on guard where the tape was, and he said
he found it.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
He remembers it in his.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Head because she was driving the same vehicle that was
his family vehicle, right, And he said he remembered it.
Just stood out that the way she pulled up and
then three point turn.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Didn't say anything, didn't ask any questions.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Pulled up, three point turn, boot booked it back out,
and so just was very suspect behavior.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
Oh yeah, definitely, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
The other thing that I wrote down from her testimony,
which I'm sure I've heard before, but I think I
must have forgotten it, was that one of the things
she had said after, you know, because when she was
originally first questioned the day of Dan Markel's murder, she
had called her mom and said, Mom, sit down, I
have something to tell you.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Dan's been shot.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
And one thing that she is on record saying is, well,
my parents sounded really surprised.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
So that's at least.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
The release, Yes, what.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
She said that, Oh my gosh, she said that during
the interview, like your initial police interview. Oh, I'm so
relieved that they sounded surprise.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
What And I was talking to my husband about this,
I'm like, that's a crazy thing to say, and he's like,
but doesn't that play like well like they were they
were surprised, And I was like, no, it doesn't. What
it tells me if I was a juror, is that
Wendy had it in her head at some point, whether
it was a joke or not, whatever you want to
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whatever you want to say, is that Wendy had it
in her head at some point, that her parents were
capable of doing this, and the fact that they are
now quote unquote surprised is that they actually did have
it in there like that. It was like they did
have the capability of doing something like this.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
But on Cross they went right back trying to like
say like, oh, afterwards, wasn't it true that in her voice,
like in her voice you could hear her sound concern,
and it's like, yeah, but she didn't say that off
like off the bat, you know, like she said exactly.
Speaker 7 (17:37):
What was on her mind and what she was thinking
at that moment.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Yeah, yeah, I personally, And again I don't know I
said this, I said this last week.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
I don't know if this is just me being.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Obviously very partial in this case, knowing what I know,
I don't think the defense is mounting very good Cross here, and.
Speaker 8 (17:57):
I agree, not so far.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
I hope that they're gonna I mean, I don't hope
that they'll do a better.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Job, but I feel that they need to do a
better job if they're gonna, if they're gonna be able
to because we.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Know that right now, a lot of this is just foundational.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
We know that, you know, there's definitely more to come,
especially when it comes to you know, they're they're definitely
gonna get to interviews with the undercover agents who uh,
we're doing the sting operation, who are doing the bump,
and that's gonna be where I think a lot of
the really, you know, the the the big evidence is
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gonna be specifically against Donna's involvement. So they're really gonna
have to do well on Cross when it comes to that.
But I feel that they're not doing a great job
on Cross.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
But like one of the things that they talk about
over and over or for a while, I should say,
is the fact that when they went to I forget
what the actual well hearing was called, but the custody
one or the emergency motion for her to try to
move that whole situation.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Yes, So they.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Talk about the fact that it was Wendy's doing for
it to have came to that decision, and that she
never gave that information to her mom, and I wish.
Speaker 7 (19:22):
I knew the exact words.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
But what happened was she ended up like calling it
and it was never even the judge's decision. It was
like Wendy's doing that it never went through. And so
when she came out of that hearing about the boys
and stuff and she told her mom, like, no, we
can't do it, her mom thought it was just because
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the judge said it, when in actuality, it was Wendy
who kind of like brought it to a close.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
And am I making sense? Do you know what I'm
talking about right now?
Speaker 4 (19:54):
No?
Speaker 3 (19:55):
I know, I wish I knew the exact I was
just trying to find it because there was like a
a name that they kept saying.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
So the thing that they said, right the the whole
thing was they Wendy wanted relocation. She wanted to say,
and she raised all these reasons and the judge basically said,
you're no. With prejudice, you cannot bring up relocation again, Windy, No,
and so.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
But there was something something happened in that court and
it came they went back and forth about it today
where it ultimately ended up being her decision to kind
of like not cancel, but.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
I'm gonna have to look into it. We're gonna talk
about this.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, I'm sorry. No, now I'm super irritated that I
can't think of what it was called. But the whole,
the whole reason it came up was because the person,
the defense one was saying like, well, isn't it true that.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
You lied to your mom?
Speaker 3 (20:59):
You lied to her her, And if you would have just
told her the truth that this is what you wanted
to do, wouldn't she have felt differently? Because if she
knew it was what you wanted to do, why would
she hire something? Why would she do this? Why would
she supposedly go out of her way if she knew
it was what you wanted to do.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
And you saw that line of questioning, Yeah, but I
thought it was because I thought it was because basically
Wendy had told on direct she had said I'm done
pursuing it. Because the judge made the decision relocation was
off the table with prejudice, so I was done pursuing
any type of relocation. And that's what she had said
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on direct so I thought that was what they were
referring to. But look into it because maybe.
Speaker 7 (21:43):
Yeah, there was a certain word that there's a lot
not remember that. I was like, take you throw.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Around a lot of like big legalese that sometimes I
was like, wait.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
And with Wendy being an attorney, right, like they even said,
you knew what you were doing. You knew that it was,
you know, going.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
This way in this direction. So for you to go tell.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Your mom, hey, this is what happened, you clearly lied
about it.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
So that's what I'm.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
Really pitting mother against daughter.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
And I did think it was interesting right that when
they asked, Wendy, when's the last time you talked to
your mom? Basically right after Charlie's trial, she hasn't talked
to her.
Speaker 8 (22:18):
Yeah, no, I think she said end of twenty twenty three, right,
November twenty twenty three, I think, which.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Would have been right around the time that Ye was arrested.
Speaker 8 (22:27):
Right, yeah, wow, easy.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
So that's why you know she was sitting there staring
at her trying to make eye contact, and Wendy would
not like.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
I don't know when you're looking at but Donna's staring
her down.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
And when they said, like, can you identify your mother
in the courtroom, she was like yeah, the one I'm like,
she couldn't even.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Like do it. That was like a tense moment.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
It was awkward.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
Yeah, so awkward.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
There was one other.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
So the only other thing because I knew we were
talking about it in the group chat a little bit.
I posted a picture the fact that they have the
photo with Catherine mag Banawha, who is already arrested in charge,
and so it's like three of them at the beach
and they talk about, Okay, well, you clearly had a
relationship or knew this person more than just a hey
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she was, you know, hired, and we they talk about
the fact that okay, but Charlie got around. So it's
like very clear that maybe Katie wasn't his only girlfriend.
Speaker 7 (23:29):
And that he had numerous girlfriends it was and so
how do you keep up?
Speaker 5 (23:33):
The prosecution was like, so you knew Katie and she's
like yes, and then you knew.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Like yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, and made me think of the Peggy Pablo song.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
And it was like, yikes, But I did find it
interesting that they said that they were asking Wendy, that
does make me think, like you had WhatsApp?
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Did you ever talk to mag Banawha via WhatsApp? And
she's like yo?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
And the thing is, what's app supposed to be, you know,
encrypted into encryption, So you know, I don't know if
they're keeping something up their sleep or when them maybe
one day allegedly who knows ever if they're going to
do it, charged Wendy adoleson. But that would be interesting
if they ever did have messages WhatsApp messages between Katie,
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Wendy and anybody right about this, So that'd be interesting.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Yeah, yeah, anything else we want to talk about when
we get to a Man of the Hour, Rob.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I know that was that was pretty much it for me.
I feel like there was it was hard for me
at a moment. You know this, I mean our feed,
I know, Kylie, April, you guys, our feed specifically is
mom related stuff and so this was actually there was
moments that were so hard for me to watch in
my heart because it's like, what has she done to
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this family? And then when Rob went on there, That's
why I'm like can we avoid this conversation because I
might cry. Just seeing his face made me so sad.
Speaker 8 (25:03):
But I'm like, so sad, I can't even imagine.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
I had two things go ahead.
Speaker 9 (25:11):
First of all, going all the way back to when
we were talking about the email and you mentioned like
maybe only her dad saw the email and not her mom,
could you imagine getting an email that was that impactful
in your life at that moment and not telling your spouse.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 9 (25:27):
And the second thing is, so from what I'm hearing
from you guys, do you, guys, do you think that
Wendy will be charged in the future or do you
think that she really was surprised when her mom and
we put this together.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
You are such that is such a good question, because
literally Zach asked me that question today and this is
my feeling. Allegedly Heather's opinion one hundred percent alleged Heather's opinion.
I think Wendy had an idea, knew that her family
potentially was planning some thing and.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Had something in the works.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
I really it's fifty to fifty whether she knew exact details.
I think she purposely chose not to know exact details.
Like plausible deniability one hundred percent did not want to
know details because A they've established that like Wendy wouldn't
be able to handle it, and and B I think
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she she was like, I need to stay far away
from this.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
But I think she knew. I think she knew.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
She chose not to know a lot, whether or not
there's enough evidence that they could actually charge her.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Kylie, I need to Yeah, Kylie, I'm with you.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
I I think I think she knew, my opinion, allegedly.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
I do.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
I don't know if she knew details.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
But I also have a really hard time knowing that
Dan had the kids that day, and there is a
chance that one of them could have been sick or
something and could have been in the car.
Speaker 10 (27:14):
And I don't know if I don't know, Like I
don't know if she would have knowingly put her kids
in a situation like that, But.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I don't know that I think about that that part
often too, going into this, like before listening to this trial,
or like hearing a lot from the Charlie trial and.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
So when Heather first told me this, there was part
of me that was very Wendy knew nothing.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
Wendy wasn't a part of it.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
They totally plotted this to try to help their daughter
and their dumb ass idiots. And I don't want to
say I was on her, but I did think that
she was naive to all of it or did not
know that it happened. As we get into some of
the things that came out of Rob's mouth and other
things that I've heard, it makes me kind of go
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the opposite direction and say she definitely knew, allegedly definitely
knew certain things that were happening, because I mean, one
of the things that comes up with Rob is when
she's texting him and sending stuff. So we'll get into that.
Speaker 11 (28:27):
But I switched, I completely switched over where I'm like,
I felt like she was possibly not a part of it,
and now from what I'm hearing, there's not a possibility
anymore for me.
Speaker 12 (28:40):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
So that's and that's that's what we'll we'll talk about
next and maybe April, after you hear this, we can
hear your opinion. Yeah, I want to know and not
you think Wendy. Wendy knows. So they talked to Rob.
Now Rob is the eldest of the three. So it
goes Rob, Charlie and then Wendy's the baby.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
They're asking him so basic, you know.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Okay, so you know Donna's controlling, Yes, Donna's rigid.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Yes, who is she most involved with?
Speaker 5 (29:08):
And he's like he she was. She's always been involved
in Charlie's life. He always needed the most attention. And
then when Wendy started, you know, dealing with a lot
of the stuff with with with Danny, she was very
involved in in that.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
You know, but how how long has he been estranged
from his family?
Speaker 6 (29:27):
See?
Speaker 7 (29:27):
That thing that that's important.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
To add as well, is that he is he has
been separated from his family. He has while yeah, and
so I mean it's not like he that to me
is very different too.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Sorry, Yeah, And that's what's hard, is like he does
not have So you consider when you consider it, like
all the the ato sins, well specifically Charlie and and
Wendy will say like we are a close fan, Well,
we're a close family. Like they spent considerable amount of
time together and we're in pretty constant contact.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
That was not the case with Rob.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
It didn't mean that they didn't speak or talk because
rob will as you'll see through the testimony, like he
was privy to some of the goings on when especially
when it came to a Wendy's divorce and when things
start to go down with Dan, but he wasn't. He
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would did not know the daily ins and out because
he was, like Rachel said, as.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Strange and and he he he.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Had kind of distanced himself, I think from from the
controllingness of his mother. Probably a good call in the
long run, right, So he testified to that, he testified
to kind of the dynamic of the family and then
the big, the big kind of kahuna is that. So
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he testified too, and that he there was a specific
text conversation between him and his sister, and he remembers
it being unique and weird and suck out to him
specifically because the first thing that was.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
Weird to him was that she texted him and let
him know.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Basically that she was going on a trip with a boyfriend.
And he thought it was weird because A she didn't
tell him when she was dating people. They didn't really
have that kind of relationship, so he thought that was weird.
A B. He thought it was weird that he knew
about this boyfriend, and supposedly her parents didn't. She specifically
(31:36):
told Rob the parents don't know, please don't tell them,
and he's like, bet, I won't tell mom and dad. Cool,
And he thought, that is strange to me that a
Wendy's telling me about her love life and b that
I know before my parents do, especially considering how close
she was with their parents and how not close he.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
Was with the whole family.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
And then when Dan's death happens, and when Dan.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
Is I shouldn't say death.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
When Dan was murdered, Rob testifies that he felt the
need to tell police about this boyfriend that Wendy had
mentioned because he's like, look, I know she had this
boyfriend that may have been a secret boyfriend that maybe
people don't know about, that my parents maybe didn't even
know about. I feel that I need to tell somebody
because I need to clear my conscience here, like I
(32:29):
need people to know. So he tells police about Jeff.
This is really setting a foundation to what will will
probably come to.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
See come out in further testimony. But I'm just making
a prediction here.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
I mean, at some point I'm guessing Jeff will come
and testify because he did testify in Charlie's and Katie's.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
I believe.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Definitely in Charlie's and I think in Katie's that he
felt the Mark Hell's were setting him up to be
a fall guy. He felt that, which would have definitely
which definitely points to Wendy having way more of a
you know, people like being way more involved in this
(33:18):
than you know, maybe not knowing details and maybe just
you know, being plausible deniability. But the fact that Wendy
tells her brother that she doesn't normally talk to, Hey,
I have this secret boyfriend, you know, And and they
also during Wendy's testimony, they ask, Wendy, did you ever
(33:38):
tell your boyfriend Jeff that your brother had looked into
hitman for Dan? And she denied it. Of course, she's
always denied it. But it's a he said, She said
conversation because Jeff says, no, what freaking happened.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
And so it's always gonna be he said.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
She said, They're never going to be able to, you know,
confirm one way or another.
Speaker 6 (34:01):
They're always that's always gonna be a he said.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
She said, But Jeff, you know, and I'm sure the
prosecution is probably my guess is they're gonna They're gonna
also kind of paint this theory that the Markell's were
gonna use Jeff as a fall guy instead of this
being a random hitman, you know, they they were gonna
try to use Jeff as a as a as a
(34:23):
scapegoat for.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
This entire thing.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
The other thing that I found really interesting that I
don't think i'd ever heard before, or if I had,
it's been a long time and I don't remember.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
When.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
After Dan Markell was murdered, the FBI came to rob
and question him. He's obviously connected to the family, and
he spoke.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
To law enforcement. What the fuck does he have excuse
my language, What the hell does he have to hide?
Speaker 5 (34:53):
You know, his his ex brother in law was brutally murdered.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
He's willing to help. How every this is Dan Markel like,
this was my you know, brother in law for for
several years. I want and they have no idea, they
have no leads. Heck, yeah, I'm gonna talk to law enforcement.
He had spoken to law enforcement.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
His mother called him and said, don't talk to the cops,
and he said, well, mom, I already did. And her
reply was, well, you don't know anything anyway, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
What, Yeah, that was absolutely crazy and my whole jaw
was on the floor. And it goes even further than that,
because then he has more like another conversation on the
phone with her, and then that's the final conversation.
Speaker 7 (35:43):
It like they're done.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
They don't speak anymore.
Speaker 7 (35:46):
You tell about that one.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
It's when he finally sees that there's an arrest and
he calls his mom again.
Speaker 7 (35:53):
So Arna says, he doesn't call her.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
He waits two days until it's his anniversary and then
she calls.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
But so he yeah, so he said that if you
know that, he said that, you know, this is huge news.
It's national news, and it's obviously important to their family.
I mean, the father of his nephew's and his mother's
grandsons has been murdered and there's no suspects for years.
(36:21):
And he's like, it's crazy because whenever I would bring
it up and say, Mom, who the heck do you
think did this?
Speaker 6 (36:25):
Like what's going on?
Speaker 5 (36:27):
He said, the subject would be his his words was
re routed and that like it was just never brought
up in conversation, and he just felt that that was
out of character for his mother.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Let alone people like I if a member.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Of your family was was murdered and there was no suspects, like,
that's a conversation like that's like, oh my god, like
what the hell are like, what's going on? And he
and he definitely felt that it was out of character
for his mother, and so he said what happened was
an arrest was finally made, right, and he was expecting
and he found out about it because this is national news.
(37:02):
His coworkers were even talking about it. He's expecting to
hear about it from his family. Nobody says not a nothing, zilch.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
Two days later, he gets a call.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
From his mother because it happens to be his anniversary.
They're talking happy anniversary, No, no, no, no, no, and finally
he broaches the subject, Mom, there's been an arrest made
and then she's like, Noah has nothing.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
To do with me.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
No words sick and shock.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
I can't even imagine that.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
And I'm correct, right, that was their last conversation. Yeah,
I after that, and I mean they don't go into
the fact, Like my next question would have been, did
you try calling her again?
Speaker 7 (37:50):
Did she try reaching out to you again?
Speaker 3 (37:52):
We didn't hear any of that, but it was left
at that. That was their final conversation, which to me.
Speaker 7 (37:58):
Is telling to me that is even anything else.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
It's like, oh, someone's looking into this in your own
family and you want nothing to okay.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
Weird yep, And I think at that point it's very
telling that like he knows now, and then I think
she also knows that he knows, and it's done.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
Yeah, So that's that's how So April, what do you
think about Wendy based on based on what you've heard?
Speaker 12 (38:31):
Do?
Speaker 6 (38:32):
What do you think about Wendy?
Speaker 9 (38:35):
So it sounds like that, you know, I think I
agree with what you said that she knew her family
was capable of it. Maybe there had been talk of
it in front of her, and she was probably like,
you know, you guys can't talk about this in front
of me, allegedly, and maybe just didn't take as proactive
as a role as she maybe should.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
Have and anything bad from happening.
Speaker 9 (38:58):
But you know, I'm not very familiar with the case.
Basically everything about the case I know from like one
news article expand and then this conversation and the one
we add on Friday, So it's interesting to learn about
it sort of in real time as the trial's word.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
I love that we get to introduce you to this April.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
It's like it's it's exactly how I like living out
my would be newscaster dreams.
Speaker 6 (39:21):
This is amazing.
Speaker 7 (39:22):
For me, This is important. This was the most memorable moment.
Speaker 12 (39:28):
You were asked questions about. You know, your mom never
suggested any harm to Dan Markell to you, but she
did want to bribe him. Yes, yes, take control from him.
Weren't those her words? Yes, Aggravate him, yes, Scare him.
Speaker 9 (39:48):
I don't remember scare him, but I'm I believe that
was part of it.
Speaker 12 (39:53):
Give him some grief, yes, take something from him, Yes,
show that fucker would make him absolutely miserable.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
Yes, but definitely not kill him.
Speaker 8 (40:05):
Right.
Speaker 6 (40:08):
I don't know what the question is.
Speaker 12 (40:10):
Donna was caring and devoted to your boys. You were
asked about that.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
That's true for real, though, I'm telling you prosecution a
plus plus plus plus.
Speaker 8 (40:22):
Plus Yeah, that might drop on that one, for real.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
For absolute real. Yep, who I'm telling you. This was
a This was a day.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
This was a day, Wendy.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
She was on that stam for a why yull a,
why yull I mean, and she's probably I can't imagine
this is gonna be the last time Wendy.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
Adelson's I didn't say so.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Now they didn't release her right like she can.
Speaker 5 (40:53):
She'll be called potentially be called back for something else.
Most likely she's you know, she's done for a big
her big chunk. But she might be called back for something.
But most likely she's done for for the big the
big part of her big part of her testimony.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
But yeah, maybe you guys know the answer to this.
But are we gonna hear from Charlie.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
He's on the witness, he's there, Okay, they pulled him
from where you know, he's serving his prisons and and
so he's.
Speaker 7 (41:24):
He's in state.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
Ready, it's just a matter of you know, but I
don't we'll see if he actually provides anything of substance
because of what he'll you know, what he's actually gonna say,
because he's still you know, he's probably still gonna fight
be fighting an appeal.
Speaker 6 (41:43):
So you know, we'll have to see what he actually
is gonna testify to.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
All Right, Yeah, I'm eager for tomorrow. Today was a lot,
I want to say. I had it on the big screen.
I was watching it as I was cleaning. I was
working on my computer and then at I was supposed
to be cleaning even more and I just stood because
my phone had died. So I just stood attached to
the wall for like two hours, just like at this
(42:08):
like cornered section where I could barely see the TV.
Speaker 7 (42:12):
I'm like, I should get more comfortable, but I never did.
I just stood there.
Speaker 5 (42:17):
I'm telling you, I was on my iPad for the day,
just like walking around like i'd be like working and
like the iPad and like working in the iPad, like
walking around and yeah, it was it was today with
the windy and rob. I was like ready for ready
for the drama. So we will see what unfolds tomorrow.
Please join us again tomorrow if you can, for day
(42:39):
three of the Donna Adolson on Trial for Dan Markel
like motherlike murder coverage. We will be bringing this every
day that there's there's trial, so continue to join us.
We are just ready to continue to bring daily updates
to you all.
Speaker 6 (42:58):
Thank you again.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
We're gonna give another chance for our wonderful special guests
to just shout out very quickly, where are they, who
they are, what they represent? Because this is just so
much better with UH with our special guest. So, Kylie,
why don't you share with our with our listeners where
(43:19):
they can find you.
Speaker 8 (43:22):
So my podcast is Primetime Crime. That's Prime with a K.
And everyone asked me why I did Crime with a K.
I did it for Kylie and I want.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
To give you a friend.
Speaker 8 (43:32):
I wanted to stand out and I mostly cover unsolved
cold cases. You can find my podcast wherever you get
your podcasts and on Instagram. I am at Primetime Crime pod.
Speaker 7 (43:46):
Yeah, she is all right, April, take it away.
Speaker 9 (43:50):
So I'm April. I'm the host of Crime to Burn.
We focus on crimes involving arson and criminal fires because
I'm a fire expert. And you can find me for
Crime to Burn everywhere all the social media's and of
course you can get us wherever you get your podcasts
or on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
I think it's exciting. I love having Kylie here. I
know Kylie has been equally invested in this case, just
right alongside Heather and many others. The majority of what
I've learned has been from both.
Speaker 7 (44:20):
Of you guys. To be honest, and then it's fun
for me, April. I hope you're here.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
The majority of our trial date discussions because seeing I
want to see and rack your brain towards the end of.
Speaker 7 (44:34):
All these conversations.
Speaker 6 (44:35):
I'm excited.
Speaker 7 (44:36):
Someone who hasn't you know, don't into it, so.
Speaker 6 (44:40):
For sure it will be very interesting.
Speaker 5 (44:43):
I know we're always just gonna end end it with
like April, Now, what do you think for having like that?
Because I am super biased obviously, like I'm super partial,
so it is good to have like a perspective from
someone who's just like, you know, I don't know too much,
so let's see.
Speaker 6 (44:57):
I like that. I like the variet we have in
our commentators. I love it. Well, join us here again
tomorrow for day three.
Speaker 5 (45:06):
Everybody, thank you so much, and we will check you tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (45:09):
Is everybody ready? Three? One? Bye,
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