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Today, Rachel and Heather discuss testimony from Jeff Lacasse, Wendi's ex-boyfriend, who was alledgely a fall guy for the whole plot. We also discuss testimony from Katy Magbanua, Charlie's ex-girfriend who was found guilty of the same crime in 2022. We also hear from several experts who testify regarding finances and communication all alledgedly linking the other conspirators and Donna Adelson herself.
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Today, Rachel and Heather discuss testimony from Jeff Lacasse, Wendi's ex-boyfriend, who was alledgely a fall guy for the whole plot. We also discuss testimony from Katy Magbanua, Charlie's ex-girfriend who was found guilty of the same crime in 2022. We also hear from several experts who testify regarding finances and communication all alledgedly linking the other conspirators and Donna Adelson herself.
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Markel & Adelson - Part 2 (recaps Leading up to Donna's Trial)
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Charlie Adelson on Trial
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome to Like Mother, Like Murder. I am Rachel and
I'm Heather.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
We bring you the good, the badass, and the crime.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
This is Like Mother Like Murder, and.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Right now is Like Mother Like Murders Trial updates, where
we will be providing daily coverage in the ongoing trial
of Donna Adelson for the murder of Dan Markel. We've
been covering this case for years now and so far
four people have been found guilty in the plot to
murder this father of two young boys.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
And Donna Adelson, dan Markel's former mother in law, is
the latest conspirator to stand trial for this crime. Rachel
and I will be continuing to provide coverage every day
and will be joined by special guests throughout this special series.
We will be bringing you this every day that there
is trial coverage. So let's do this. So today is
(01:18):
day three of the ongoing trial of Donna Adelson for
the murder of Dan Markel, and today currently it is
just Rachel and I, but there is a chance we
will be joined by some special guests. Today might be
a quicker one. Today we heard from people we've all
(01:39):
heard before. But it was an exciting day because one
of my favorite witnesses. We started the day with the one,
the only, Jeff Lacass or Lacasse however you want to
say it, the ex boyfriend of Wendy Adelson, who basically
(01:59):
they brought oh up like the day before Dan Markell's
murder pretty much.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, but it seemed as if like they kind of
went back and forth anyways, on and off again type
thing where it seemed like maybe he knew things were
gonna happen because of the relocation, but at the same.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Time, you know, he said it.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
I feel like, in his words, he said he was
just being strong.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Along exactly and all the way up to that point,
you know, for someone who I didn't really get to
see or I did not watch a lot from the
other trials, and so this was actually the first time
that I saw a full thing with him. I did
watch the entire thing today, and hearing him talk about
things and hearing him the things that he had to
(02:49):
say about Wendy only allegedly, you know, made me believe
even more so than how we ended it yesterday where
I said she was definitely allegedly involved.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
Oh for sure, for sure.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
One of the big takeaways from Jeff's testimony is yesterday
we talked about how brother Rob thought it was a
weird that Wendy was talking to him about her love life,
you know, aka dating Jeff, which was something she didn't do,
and b that it was a secret from her parents,
(03:24):
and she asked, Rob, you know, don't tell them, And
we hear from Jeff that that can't possibly be true
because he'd met her parents several times, and she would
even talk about how when her sons were down in
South Florida, I would assume with her parents, with the grandparents,
that they would be down there talking about Jeff, that
(03:46):
he dating a woman with children, had hung out with
the boys several times. So you know, of course this
is a you know, at this point a kind of
he said, he said situation in so much that you know,
the brother is saying, well, Wendy told me that, you know,
the parents didn't new, and Jeff of course is saying,
(04:06):
there's no way that the parents didn't know, you know,
but it just kind of sounds like Wendy was not
being truthful in that situation.
Speaker 8 (04:16):
And because instantly I'm like, well.
Speaker 7 (04:19):
I believe both of them, yep, exactly.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Like's I definitely believe they're both telling the truth and
what they believed in what was being told.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Or what was being said to them by these other
people involved.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
So for sure that I agree with you one hundred percent.
We also hear, and this is something we've heard before,
but we hear Jeff testify to the very serious conversation
she had with Wendy uh or he had with Wendy,
where she told him that Charlie had looked into a
hit man when it came to Dan Markel. And as
(04:59):
I predicted yesterday, you know, we also heard the prosecution
question Jeff and he testified to his theory that Wendy
and seemingly her family was you know, pretty much setting
him up to be a fall guy for Dan Markel's murder.
(05:20):
And basically, you know, Jeff almost starts, you know, digging
into it himself because he finds out that not only
the you know, the the actual day that Dan Markell
was murdered, was that Jeff was supposed to be leaving
on a trip that would have put his travel on
(05:42):
a route by Dan Markel's house and his and his
leaving Tallahassee, the same route that the that the killers left.
Not just that, luckily, right, he left early on his
trip because when he was you know, Wendy was get
sick him, really weird messages. But it turns out that
(06:04):
on the on the first trip to Tallahassee that sick
Fredo Garcia and Louis Rivera took where they didn't end
up actually committing the the the hit. He was also
you know, leaving town and the car they rented.
Speaker 7 (06:19):
Yeah, exactly right, and the as close as you could get,
that was his words.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Right, similar similar vehicle, because no it's not the exact
same make and model, but if someone's like, hey, a
gray Ford or Sedan, like it is exactly it was
exactly to a tee what you would think, and putting.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Him right in the exact same location, exactly exactly. So
that's definitely something. If I was in his position, being
strung along by a woman this whole time and then
being broken up with the day before the the husband's
murder in this very cryptic way, yeah, that would make
(07:06):
me very nervous of being And then of course, you know,
it was just point blank asked him, do do you
know that you were considered a suspect? And he is, well, yeah,
I mean who I mean who wouldn't think the boyfriend
you know in this in this situation, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Common without all of the other things, you.
Speaker 7 (07:23):
Know, so for sure, for sure.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
And then we we move on from Jeff and they
interview one of Charlie's ex girlfriends.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
She broke my heart. I just she was so heather,
she was so uncomfortable, nervous.
Speaker 7 (07:42):
You could just see it.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
And it broke me because, I mean the same thing
with Jeff, the same thing with is her name June?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
This was I think this was one of the jew
one of the I can't remember.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
That you really.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Do not know who you are surrounding yourself with. And
I mean, this could happen to anybody, right, It could
happen to literally anybody. At any point, you're gonna get
a phone call that says, hey, we need to talk
to you about this person.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
That you were right however long ago, you know, And
it's like, what do you mean?
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Yeah, because she starts off saying that it was like
a fairy tale, and then it just slowly devolves into
this whole idea that, oh my god, you know this
guy I'm dating was.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
Was who I thought was? This was a fairy tale?
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Was involved in a murder for hire, and you can
tell she's uncomfortable. You can tell this is not some
a courtroom is not where she spends her time, and
you know she's trying to be as honest as she can.
They're telling her, didn't.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
You say that? Didn't you say that?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
And she's like, well, if it's written there, then I
said it, Like I don't know what else you want
me to. You know, she's doing the best she can,
but she's obviously uncomfortable, and you know this this I
know this girl. I just was like, I'm you know
this is it.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Felt for her for sure. And then after you know,
round one of questioning was done, before you know, the
opposite team can.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Do something about it, she was gonna get up and
walk away.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
They're like you need to sit back down, and she's like,
oh god, okay, I'm sorry, and she was so sweet
about it, but she just you could tell this was
not where and she had testified before, but you know,
this is she's not comfortable with this. She's just like,
this is just you know, not in her in her realm.
And then that's followed by she was followed by one
of Charlie's friends who was almost the exact opposite on
(09:41):
the stand, very confident, very sure of himself, and you know,
but but they were mainly there to establish things about Charlie.
A lot of just you know, foundational stuff, and much
of it didn't have very specific things to do with Donna.
(10:05):
It was a lot laying the foundation to make connections
with Charlie, which is what we see a lot throughout
you know, this trial. Of course, we haven't seen Charlie
hit the stand yet, so what we're seeing is, you know,
we're starting from the beginning, So we're talking now, we're
we're laying the we're lying, we're we're making.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
These connections from you.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Know, the the the killers to Katie mcmanawah to Charlie
and have then eventually to Donna. So then the prosecution
starts bringing in, uh, these experts. So the next couple
of states witnesses, right are these uh is this financial
investigator who basically she was looking through all of the
(10:51):
Adelson's financials and she was basically there to establish that
the Adelson's had a lot of money that they were
moving around and filtering throughout their business and you know,
paying back and forth to each other and through this
and through that and through cars, and through the Adolson Institute,
(11:13):
and to Katie Magbanawa in various ways, through cars, through
insurance payments, through gifts, through flights for her and you know,
for her and her mom, through paychecks from the Adelson Institute.
(11:34):
And the one thing that I thought was really well
done is the way that they graft that these these
actual checks that they that they paid Katie Magbanowa with,
they established the timeline that all of these payments started
after the murder of Dan Markel and then they stopped
(11:56):
right at like right before, right around the top time
of the bump or that you know, that undercover operation
where they pretend to bribe basically or blackmail, not bribe,
blackmail the Adolson's. And that's kind of when everything comes
crashing down. Now, obviously a lot of this is not new.
(12:20):
A lot of this came out at Katie's trial, and
at Charlie's trial.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
We saw a lot of this.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
But to link this all to Donna specifically, we have
to remember this is Donna Adelson's trial. You know, it
was it was specified that Donna is a signing agent
for the Adelson Institute. You know, she was referred to
as an office manager, and so she had the ability
to sign checks move money around. She doesn't need approval
(12:48):
from you know, the owner or the manager or whatever.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
And I think they said that Katie Magbana.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Law was given a total of forty four checked each
and every one of them signed off by Donna Adelson.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
Now they try to raise the you know, the.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
The fact that, look, Donna Adelson signed everyone's checks who
worked at the at the at at that dentist practice.
Now that may be true. It was true that she
did sign everyone's check. But later on they called to
the stand a four more worker from that Adelson institute
who'd worked there for like forty years or something, long time,
(13:29):
a long ass time, and she confirmed that besides the family, Harvey,
Charlie and Donna, there were only like three or four
other employees there.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
So, you know, every month, Donna's signing.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Checks for three or four other employees, right besides, you know,
cutting checks for her husband and her son. And so
it's like she was cutting checks for Katie, right and
then and then they also confirmed that Katie, you know,
other than going into the institute once to get dental
work done, she didn't work there. She she she didn't
(14:06):
work there. This former employee was the sweetest lady. She confirmed,
you know, she worked there for forty years as Harvey's assistant.
She said she knew her as a patient, that she
had come in a few times to get work done,
maybe once or twice to get work done. But she
was not She didn't work there. She didn't work there
as a dental assistant. She didn't work there to.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
Clean.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
They talked about, you know what you guys had you
contracted out cleaning the office?
Speaker 7 (14:32):
Did she clean there? Nothing?
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Katie magbannon Waw was signed Donna Adison exactly.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
She was on the payroll.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Well for something else, and Donna Aedelson signed those checks.
The other thing that was interesting, right that they really
laid out well was that, you know, these were regular
employees that were supposed to get paid every two weeks.
But interestingly, there were several of Katie mad Banewah's checks
that were sequential. So it wasn't like, hey, I'm gonna
(15:05):
pay my you know, three four employees every two weeks,
cut them checks. So you know, all every check you
get is maybe spaced out by four or five check numbers,
whatever it is. No, these were sequential checks, and so
there was a couple times that she got sequential checks
and uh, they weren't spaced out every other you know,
(15:27):
every two weeks with the other employees.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
That was also a really good, uh, really good piece.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Of evidence that that they called out and uh you
know that that those checks along with that that for
more that former worker from the from the dental practice
right there really shows you know that a Katie Magganiwal, Yeah, exactly,
that Katie Macbaniwal was getting paid by Donna Aedelson for
(15:56):
something that she was not. She was getting paid for
something she was not I'm not doing. And then that
brought Katie Magbanua, right, and it's hard with her because
she has a pretty messy history. She was given immunity,
she was given an immunity deal, but she refused it.
(16:18):
And this is when her original immunity deal was when
her baby daddy was going on trial and she didn't
want to take it, I believe because right and is
her baby daddy. She she was like, no, I can't
do that. And then when she went on trial, she
basically was pleading not guilty, saying like, look, you guys
(16:41):
got everything right except for the fact that I was
not involved in this. And then when Charlie got on trial,
she you know, kind of recanted everything and said, look,
you guys had did you had everything right? And she
testified in so much as that, and so you know,
she's she's she's basically saying the same the same story
(17:04):
that she held at Charlie's trial, and you know, pretty
much the same stuff we've seen before. But the big
takeaway here, you know that that is really pertaining to Donna,
is that when Katie and Charlie would be discussing, you know,
the hit, Basically Charlie straight up asked her, Hey, I
(17:27):
want to I want to hurt this guy. Uh, and
she's like, okay, I know someone who could do that
for you. And they would be discussing what would become
the murder of Dan Markel that she said he would
several times basically, uh, call his mom in the middle
(17:51):
of the conversation.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
She doesn't know what they discussed, but that he would.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Like or look at her and they'd have a just
and come back.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
In mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
So she does know that in the middle of discussing
the murder of Dan Marcel, Charlie would talk to his mother.
I mean and she and she and the prosecution made
it very clear that at the beginning before her testimony
that Katie's getting nothing out of this testimony. She hopes
that one day she'll get the chance to see her
(18:23):
kids again, but no one's offered her a deal at
this point. Right now, she's serving life for the murder
of Dan Markel. She's got there's no deals on the
table for her. She hopes that maybe one day, maybe
she could get paroled and she'll get the chance to
see her kids. But at this point, she's just telling
the truth because she's you know, she's like she I
feel like in her head, she's like, fuck, if I'm
(18:44):
going down, everybody's going down.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Me, right, Yeah, definitely. And I mean the thing is is,
ultimately she was the middleman.
Speaker 9 (18:53):
She has taken she has taken that responsibility. It's disgusting,
oh for sure, Nast. And the thing is is like,
just how you said it, every single person that was
connected to this is going down, right, So yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
You know, the more that comes out, the more I'm like, well,
there's other.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
People that right, right.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
And of course, the the other thing that they said,
which I thought was interesting, was at one point when Katie,
you know, got an initial cash payment right after the
murder of Xan Markel. When she was holding literally holding
the physical cash, she asked Charlie like, why is it wet?
And he said, oh my mom washed the money. And
(19:39):
I was like, okay, that's a I mean, it's a
detail again that connects Donna. But you know there's that
the thing is And again I a get I could
be completely partial and I'm biased here, but the cross
for Katie Magbanna wah horrible. The defense here just does
not I mean, if you were going to uh basically
(20:04):
be able to rip apart a witness, this is a
witness you can rip apart. She's lied under oath, she
her she's she's gone back and forth on her testimony.
She's literally guilty of murder. Like you could, you could
rip this apart. She's a guilty party. And they just
(20:24):
I feel did not do a great job of explaining.
I feel like they could have done a lot better.
I mean, not that I want you know this this woman,
I mean, but but what I'm saying, well, I mean
what I'm saying, no, I mean Donna. Not that I
want Donna to get away with anything, but but what
(20:46):
But I just feel like they they they could have
done a better job. One thing they they tried to
they tried to do and they didn't manage to do
to establish was that Katie because she she said to herself,
didn't have direct contact with Donna. Okay, we've established that,
but you don't need direct contact with Donna to you know,
(21:11):
confirm that she is party to this plot to murder
Dan Markel. I mean, Charlie didn't really have exactly, like
Charlie didn't have direct contact with Sick Fredo Garcia, Lewis
Rivera other than a random you know. I think they
had like a random phone call previous to it because
they thought about something random over Katie. But it's like
(21:34):
Charlie Adelson's in jail without direct contact with the the murderers,
like the actual hitman.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
He's in jail. Katie doesn't need.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Direct contact with Donna to establish guilt, and so they're
trying to prove that, and they did. They successfully proved.
Katie Mcmanawah, did you ever have direct contact with Donna Edelson? Well, no,
it all went through Charlie, But that doesn't mean she's
not guilty.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Exactly exactly yeah, I mean you said it just there.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
That's where my brain went instantly was the fact that,
I mean, this all happened from an envelope.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
Yes, it was all from.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
A chartally handing Katie an envelope and saying to give
it to someone. She never even said who it was
gonna be to.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
Act, She never opened it, he didn't know back and forth.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
So it's like it's one of those things where that
is ridiculous if you think, oh, well, because.
Speaker 9 (22:32):
She never spoke to her face to face, she can't
be a guilty party.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
We already know that.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
That's you know, not accurate.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
That's not something that needs to be Yeah, exactly exactly.
So after Katie's Katie's testimony, then they they bring in
Sergeant Corbett from the TALLAHASSEEPD, who's I think he's like
a forensic communication specialist or something like that, which he's
(23:00):
basically like a numbers guy for yeah, for communications, So
he's numbers and emails and text messages, and basically he's
there to kind of testify about all the convoluted conversations
and you know, communications between all the Adelsons and and
(23:22):
all of the people involved in this plot and a
ventual murder of Dan Markel, and basically they they're saying
that one thing that I found, one thing that I
wrote down in my notes. It actually has not a
lot to do with the actual murder, but really does
speak to Donna Adelson's character and the amount of involvement
(23:47):
she really had in her children's life. Was there was
this email to Wendy where Donna is saying that you
need to make sure you tell the judge Wendy that
because I and your dad have to go up to
(24:07):
Tallahassee so often to help you, we have to go
up to Tallahassee so often to help you, that we're
making less money at our business and that's a hardship.
It's really impacting us and your brother because he's not
able to, you know, do the the business that he
needs to do, and that's really causing a problem. And
(24:29):
I'm like, how does this you know, the how does
the the I mean, I get it, you're helping, you know,
your daughter with the child's care, but at the end
of the day, she's a full grown adult with a
job of her own.
Speaker 10 (24:48):
Dude, just make the dad have to screen exactly what
in the world, what in the actual world. I was
just like, oh my god, you're so self centered. You're
like insert arding your problems into your daughters. It was
just it was just very again, I think, just spoke
to Donna's involvement and her manipulation and just like her
(25:13):
her desperation.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
And like the the lengths that she would go to
to get what she wanted.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
And then this this Sergeant Corbett. He also testified to
a lot of.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Texts between Donna and Charlie, a lot of their communication
about Wendy and just like the problems that Wendy was
having with Dan. And then we spoke about this too,
I think briefly. I know we've talked about it before
in the podcast. We might have mentioned it before, you know,
(25:49):
in the last couple of days too, but about Wendy
wanting to buy a house, which Donna and Charlie really
didn't want her to do, and how Donna had basically
tasked Charlie with be like basically convinced your sister not
to buy this house, you know, and then Charlie really
really being like, yes, Mom, yes Mom, I'm gonna make
(26:10):
sure I get her not to buy this.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
House, and then him him.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
You know, running back to his mom, Mom, Mom, I
did it. She's not gonna buy it. And her replying back,
you know, basically.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Good boy, good boy, you did such a good job.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Mom is so happy, you know, and it's just like
the dynamic is just like.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
It's very definitely it's such a i mean the name
of this trial, you know, the matriarch.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
Oh yeah, matriarch, mastermind whatever.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
Yeah, it fits to a team.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
Every single person that goes up there says the exact
same thing when it comes to her character that she
is controlling.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
She is, you know, the one.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Who ran the show when it came the family, which,
let me say, is not particularly a bad thing now.
Speaker 8 (27:07):
The controlling portion, yes, but the the matriarchy, the you know,
bringing your family together, being that solid foundation your family
is such a beautiful thing.
Speaker 7 (27:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
The other details, the manipulation, the controllingness, Yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
That's the problem right there.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Yeah, I'm I I definitely see it, and I think
that you know, they're they're definitely laying a lot of good,
strong foundation. You can see that they're really really uh
doing a good job demonstrating and just setting up this
pattern that a you know, Donna had her hands in
(27:51):
everything when it came to the adel sins that be
you know, Charlie basic would do was in constant communication
with his mom. There's nothing that Charlie was doing that
his mom didn't know about.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
Basically. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
I think part of the communication thing that that that
Corbett did was he you know, established like how much
that Adelson's were talking to each other, and like the
constant back and forth and back and forth and back
and forth. And I mean there wasn't a day even
when they were out of the country, right, that went
by that they weren't in constant communication. And that communication
(28:34):
and a lot of times during this time period, right
had to do about Windy.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
So I think that they're laying a really strong foundation then.
And the next thing that I'm really really looking forward to,
you know, seeing in this is when they interview the
detectives about the bump. I know that's going to come
up this week, it might even be as soon as tomorrow.
But that's really where we're gonna see Donna Adelson's directs interactions,
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uh with this, because she is the one that they
walk up to initially and you know try to basically blackmail.
So that's where she's gonna get super involved, and I
will be interested to see how that goes.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
I'm also I'm.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Really I'm really not sure what the defense because you know,
so far their crosses have been meager, and they they're
they're just not being very aggressive.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Yeah, I thought you were gonna say, what is the defense?
Speaker 5 (29:39):
They're tactics, They're not something that makes sense to me
at this.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I mean, they're they're very I mean, they they are,
you know, they're they're they're asking the right questions. I
guess to show that like look Donna, I mean they're
showing like, yeah, Donna could not have been involved, but
they're just not doing it very aggressively. And I just
I feel I don't know, So maybe they'll bring out
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some witnesses that could be doing a better job. I mean, maybe,
you know, when Charlie comes on the stand, that's where
they'll really be able to do it.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
We'll we'll have to see, but until tomorrow, we'll have
to find out. We'll have to find out anything else
that sticks out for you today, No, I think that's it.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
You know, I've really all I will have right here
is like I don't sit down and watch trials the
way that I have been the past couple of days.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
It's been very eye opening for me to kind of
see the whole process because it's not.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Something I really am super knowledgeable about anything that I've
done research wise for like motherlike murder or anything. It's
like I watch clips or I read articles or.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I kind of.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Don't get the full picture.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
So it's it's really been eye opening for me to
watch all of this happen. So I'm just ego for
the rest of it.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Yeah, it's it is interesting, right how it's hard because
there's there's a there's there's quite a bit of breaks.
If you guys have never watched a trial, like from
start to end, there's a lot of breaks. There's a
lot of especially in trials like this where it's been
I mean they're on their fifth trial at this point
with a lot of the same evidence. So there's a
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lot of back and forth, a lot of sidebar, a
lot of objection, a lot of no, no, no, no, which
isn't you know, which isn't an unheard of but there's
like a lot of sidebar. Okay, you can continue with
this line of questioning and you know, strike this from
from the record, and but there's a lot of breaks,
there's and there's actually like a decent amount of especially
(31:47):
in this one. I don't know if you caught the
joke where before they were bringing in Charlie's ex girlfriend
they couldn't track her down and the.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
And the judge was like FBI.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
So there is you know, a certain amount of levity,
which is hard because you know, someone did die. But
you know, if you're gonna go through two weeks of
of this, it's it's you have to have some certain
amount of levity if you're gonna be able to make
it through. But yeah, it's a it's an interesting dynamic,
(32:22):
right because these trials are supposed to be adversarial. Uh,
but you know, at the same time, these people have
been in each other's company, you know, the this prosecutor and.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
This the for for for months now years at this point.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
So you know, if if if it's just this animosity NonStop,
that's that's got to be stressful.
Speaker 7 (32:41):
So yeah, it's it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
It's interesting and and we shall see if if this
is uh, if y'all like this trial coverage and there's
more trials you want us to cover like this, you
have to let us know. I'm enjoying this so far,
but of course I have a vested interest in this
trial and right now, you know, it is a good time.
I have the I have the time to actually watch
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this one, so it's it's the timing's good. But if
this is something you guys are liking, you'll have to
let us know.
Speaker 7 (33:11):
Yeah, definitely, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
All right, we will be back tomorrow with the next one.
Speaker 8 (33:16):
I mean, I'm already like, who is it gonna be?
Speaker 1 (33:19):
I know, you have like a list for me to
look at it.
Speaker 7 (33:22):
They have it. There is a list somewhere.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Maybe I can try to check it down, but you
never know, you never Yeah, exactly, that's what I was
gonna say. That's what I was gonna say. Yeah, you're
on it. See you're already a pro.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
All right, I'm like, I am this man.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
I love it. All right, Well until tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
All right, We'll talk to you guys tomorrow.
Speaker 11 (33:43):
Okay, love you bye, Okay, I love you bye.
Speaker 9 (34:00):
Was the last days
Welcome to Like Mother, Like Murder. I am Rachel and
I'm Heather.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
We bring you the good, the badass, and the crime.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
This is Like Mother Like Murder, and.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Right now is Like Mother Like Murders Trial updates, where
we will be providing daily coverage in the ongoing trial
of Donna Adelson for the murder of Dan Markel. We've
been covering this case for years now and so far
four people have been found guilty in the plot to
murder this father of two young boys.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
And Donna Adelson, dan Markel's former mother in law, is
the latest conspirator to stand trial for this crime. Rachel
and I will be continuing to provide coverage every day
and will be joined by special guests throughout this special series.
We will be bringing you this every day that there
is trial coverage. So let's do this. So today is
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day three of the ongoing trial of Donna Adelson for
the murder of Dan Markel, and today currently it is
just Rachel and I, but there is a chance we
will be joined by some special guests. Today might be
a quicker one. Today we heard from people we've all
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heard before. But it was an exciting day because one
of my favorite witnesses. We started the day with the one,
the only, Jeff Lacass or Lacasse however you want to
say it, the ex boyfriend of Wendy Adelson, who basically
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they brought oh up like the day before Dan Markell's
murder pretty much.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, but it seemed as if like they kind of
went back and forth anyways, on and off again type
thing where it seemed like maybe he knew things were
gonna happen because of the relocation, but at the same.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Time, you know, he said it.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
I feel like, in his words, he said he was
just being strong.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Along exactly and all the way up to that point,
you know, for someone who I didn't really get to
see or I did not watch a lot from the
other trials, and so this was actually the first time
that I saw a full thing with him. I did
watch the entire thing today, and hearing him talk about
things and hearing him the things that he had to
(02:49):
say about Wendy only allegedly, you know, made me believe
even more so than how we ended it yesterday where
I said she was definitely allegedly involved.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
Oh for sure, for sure.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
One of the big takeaways from Jeff's testimony is yesterday
we talked about how brother Rob thought it was a
weird that Wendy was talking to him about her love life,
you know, aka dating Jeff, which was something she didn't do,
and b that it was a secret from her parents,
(03:24):
and she asked, Rob, you know, don't tell them, And
we hear from Jeff that that can't possibly be true
because he'd met her parents several times, and she would
even talk about how when her sons were down in
South Florida, I would assume with her parents, with the grandparents,
that they would be down there talking about Jeff, that
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he dating a woman with children, had hung out with
the boys several times. So you know, of course this
is a you know, at this point a kind of
he said, he said situation in so much that you know,
the brother is saying, well, Wendy told me that, you know,
the parents didn't new, and Jeff of course is saying,
(04:06):
there's no way that the parents didn't know, you know,
but it just kind of sounds like Wendy was not
being truthful in that situation.
Speaker 8 (04:16):
And because instantly I'm like, well.
Speaker 7 (04:19):
I believe both of them, yep, exactly.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Like's I definitely believe they're both telling the truth and
what they believed in what was being told.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Or what was being said to them by these other
people involved.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
So for sure that I agree with you one hundred percent.
We also hear, and this is something we've heard before,
but we hear Jeff testify to the very serious conversation
she had with Wendy uh or he had with Wendy,
where she told him that Charlie had looked into a
hit man when it came to Dan Markel. And as
(04:59):
I predicted yesterday, you know, we also heard the prosecution
question Jeff and he testified to his theory that Wendy
and seemingly her family was you know, pretty much setting
him up to be a fall guy for Dan Markel's murder.
(05:20):
And basically, you know, Jeff almost starts, you know, digging
into it himself because he finds out that not only
the you know, the the actual day that Dan Markell
was murdered, was that Jeff was supposed to be leaving
on a trip that would have put his travel on
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a route by Dan Markel's house and his and his
leaving Tallahassee, the same route that the that the killers left.
Not just that, luckily, right, he left early on his
trip because when he was you know, Wendy was get
sick him, really weird messages. But it turns out that
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on the on the first trip to Tallahassee that sick
Fredo Garcia and Louis Rivera took where they didn't end
up actually committing the the the hit. He was also
you know, leaving town and the car they rented.
Speaker 7 (06:19):
Yeah, exactly right, and the as close as you could get,
that was his words.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Right, similar similar vehicle, because no it's not the exact
same make and model, but if someone's like, hey, a
gray Ford or Sedan, like it is exactly it was
exactly to a tee what you would think, and putting.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Him right in the exact same location, exactly exactly. So
that's definitely something. If I was in his position, being
strung along by a woman this whole time and then
being broken up with the day before the the husband's
murder in this very cryptic way, yeah, that would make
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me very nervous of being And then of course, you know,
it was just point blank asked him, do do you
know that you were considered a suspect? And he is, well, yeah,
I mean who I mean who wouldn't think the boyfriend
you know in this in this situation, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Common without all of the other things, you.
Speaker 7 (07:23):
Know, so for sure, for sure.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
And then we we move on from Jeff and they
interview one of Charlie's ex girlfriends.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
She broke my heart. I just she was so heather,
she was so uncomfortable, nervous.
Speaker 7 (07:42):
You could just see it.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
And it broke me because, I mean the same thing
with Jeff, the same thing with is her name June?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
This was I think this was one of the jew
one of the I can't remember.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
That you really.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Do not know who you are surrounding yourself with. And
I mean, this could happen to anybody, right, It could
happen to literally anybody. At any point, you're gonna get
a phone call that says, hey, we need to talk
to you about this person.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
That you were right however long ago, you know, And
it's like, what do you mean?
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Yeah, because she starts off saying that it was like
a fairy tale, and then it just slowly devolves into
this whole idea that, oh my god, you know this
guy I'm dating was.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
Was who I thought was? This was a fairy tale?
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Was involved in a murder for hire, and you can
tell she's uncomfortable. You can tell this is not some
a courtroom is not where she spends her time, and
you know she's trying to be as honest as she can.
They're telling her, didn't.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
You say that? Didn't you say that?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
And she's like, well, if it's written there, then I
said it, Like I don't know what else you want
me to. You know, she's doing the best she can,
but she's obviously uncomfortable, and you know this this I
know this girl. I just was like, I'm you know
this is it.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Felt for her for sure. And then after you know,
round one of questioning was done, before you know, the
opposite team can.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Do something about it, she was gonna get up and
walk away.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
They're like you need to sit back down, and she's like,
oh god, okay, I'm sorry, and she was so sweet
about it, but she just you could tell this was
not where and she had testified before, but you know,
this is she's not comfortable with this. She's just like,
this is just you know, not in her in her realm.
And then that's followed by she was followed by one
of Charlie's friends who was almost the exact opposite on
(09:41):
the stand, very confident, very sure of himself, and you know,
but but they were mainly there to establish things about Charlie.
A lot of just you know, foundational stuff, and much
of it didn't have very specific things to do with Donna.
(10:05):
It was a lot laying the foundation to make connections
with Charlie, which is what we see a lot throughout
you know, this trial. Of course, we haven't seen Charlie
hit the stand yet, so what we're seeing is, you know,
we're starting from the beginning, So we're talking now, we're
we're laying the we're lying, we're we're making.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
These connections from you.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Know, the the the killers to Katie mcmanawah to Charlie
and have then eventually to Donna. So then the prosecution
starts bringing in, uh, these experts. So the next couple
of states witnesses, right are these uh is this financial
investigator who basically she was looking through all of the
(10:51):
Adelson's financials and she was basically there to establish that
the Adelson's had a lot of money that they were
moving around and filtering throughout their business and you know,
paying back and forth to each other and through this
and through that and through cars, and through the Adolson Institute,
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and to Katie Magbanawa in various ways, through cars, through
insurance payments, through gifts, through flights for her and you know,
for her and her mom, through paychecks from the Adelson Institute.
(11:34):
And the one thing that I thought was really well
done is the way that they graft that these these
actual checks that they that they paid Katie Magbanowa with,
they established the timeline that all of these payments started
after the murder of Dan Markel and then they stopped
(11:56):
right at like right before, right around the top time
of the bump or that you know, that undercover operation
where they pretend to bribe basically or blackmail, not bribe,
blackmail the Adolson's. And that's kind of when everything comes
crashing down. Now, obviously a lot of this is not new.
(12:20):
A lot of this came out at Katie's trial, and
at Charlie's trial.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
We saw a lot of this.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
But to link this all to Donna specifically, we have
to remember this is Donna Adelson's trial. You know, it
was it was specified that Donna is a signing agent
for the Adelson Institute. You know, she was referred to
as an office manager, and so she had the ability
to sign checks move money around. She doesn't need approval
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from you know, the owner or the manager or whatever.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
And I think they said that Katie Magbana.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Law was given a total of forty four checked each
and every one of them signed off by Donna Adelson.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
Now they try to raise the you know, the.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
The fact that, look, Donna Adelson signed everyone's checks who
worked at the at the at at that dentist practice.
Now that may be true. It was true that she
did sign everyone's check. But later on they called to
the stand a four more worker from that Adelson institute
who'd worked there for like forty years or something, long time,
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a long ass time, and she confirmed that besides the family, Harvey,
Charlie and Donna, there were only like three or four
other employees there.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
So, you know, every month, Donna's signing.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Checks for three or four other employees, right besides, you know,
cutting checks for her husband and her son. And so
it's like she was cutting checks for Katie, right and
then and then they also confirmed that Katie, you know,
other than going into the institute once to get dental
work done, she didn't work there. She she she didn't
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work there. This former employee was the sweetest lady. She confirmed,
you know, she worked there for forty years as Harvey's assistant.
She said she knew her as a patient, that she
had come in a few times to get work done,
maybe once or twice to get work done. But she
was not She didn't work there. She didn't work there
as a dental assistant. She didn't work there to.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
Clean.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
They talked about, you know what you guys had you
contracted out cleaning the office?
Speaker 7 (14:32):
Did she clean there? Nothing?
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Katie magbannon Waw was signed Donna Adison exactly.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
She was on the payroll.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Well for something else, and Donna Aedelson signed those checks.
The other thing that was interesting, right that they really
laid out well was that, you know, these were regular
employees that were supposed to get paid every two weeks.
But interestingly, there were several of Katie mad Banewah's checks
that were sequential. So it wasn't like, hey, I'm gonna
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pay my you know, three four employees every two weeks,
cut them checks. So you know, all every check you
get is maybe spaced out by four or five check numbers,
whatever it is. No, these were sequential checks, and so
there was a couple times that she got sequential checks
and uh, they weren't spaced out every other you know,
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every two weeks with the other employees.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
That was also a really good, uh, really good piece.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Of evidence that that they called out and uh you
know that that those checks along with that that for
more that former worker from the from the dental practice
right there really shows you know that a Katie Magganiwal, Yeah, exactly,
that Katie Macbaniwal was getting paid by Donna Aedelson for
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something that she was not. She was getting paid for
something she was not I'm not doing. And then that
brought Katie Magbanua, right, and it's hard with her because
she has a pretty messy history. She was given immunity,
she was given an immunity deal, but she refused it.
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And this is when her original immunity deal was when
her baby daddy was going on trial and she didn't
want to take it, I believe because right and is
her baby daddy. She she was like, no, I can't
do that. And then when she went on trial, she
basically was pleading not guilty, saying like, look, you guys
(16:41):
got everything right except for the fact that I was
not involved in this. And then when Charlie got on trial,
she you know, kind of recanted everything and said, look,
you guys had did you had everything right? And she
testified in so much as that, and so you know,
she's she's she's basically saying the same the same story
(17:04):
that she held at Charlie's trial, and you know, pretty
much the same stuff we've seen before. But the big
takeaway here, you know that that is really pertaining to Donna,
is that when Katie and Charlie would be discussing, you know,
the hit, Basically Charlie straight up asked her, Hey, I
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want to I want to hurt this guy. Uh, and
she's like, okay, I know someone who could do that
for you. And they would be discussing what would become
the murder of Dan Markel that she said he would
several times basically, uh, call his mom in the middle
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of the conversation.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
She doesn't know what they discussed, but that he would.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Like or look at her and they'd have a just
and come back.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
In mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
So she does know that in the middle of discussing
the murder of Dan Marcel, Charlie would talk to his mother.
I mean and she and she and the prosecution made
it very clear that at the beginning before her testimony
that Katie's getting nothing out of this testimony. She hopes
that one day she'll get the chance to see her
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kids again, but no one's offered her a deal at
this point. Right now, she's serving life for the murder
of Dan Markel. She's got there's no deals on the
table for her. She hopes that maybe one day, maybe
she could get paroled and she'll get the chance to
see her kids. But at this point, she's just telling
the truth because she's you know, she's like she I
feel like in her head, she's like, fuck, if I'm
(18:44):
going down, everybody's going down.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Me, right, Yeah, definitely. And I mean the thing is is,
ultimately she was the middleman.
Speaker 9 (18:53):
She has taken she has taken that responsibility. It's disgusting,
oh for sure, Nast. And the thing is is like,
just how you said it, every single person that was
connected to this is going down, right, So yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
You know, the more that comes out, the more I'm like, well,
there's other.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
People that right, right.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
And of course, the the other thing that they said,
which I thought was interesting, was at one point when Katie,
you know, got an initial cash payment right after the
murder of Xan Markel. When she was holding literally holding
the physical cash, she asked Charlie like, why is it wet?
And he said, oh my mom washed the money. And
(19:39):
I was like, okay, that's a I mean, it's a
detail again that connects Donna. But you know there's that
the thing is And again I a get I could
be completely partial and I'm biased here, but the cross
for Katie Magbanna wah horrible. The defense here just does
not I mean, if you were going to uh basically
(20:04):
be able to rip apart a witness, this is a
witness you can rip apart. She's lied under oath, she
her she's she's gone back and forth on her testimony.
She's literally guilty of murder. Like you could, you could
rip this apart. She's a guilty party. And they just
(20:24):
I feel did not do a great job of explaining.
I feel like they could have done a lot better.
I mean, not that I want you know this this woman,
I mean, but but what I'm saying, well, I mean
what I'm saying, no, I mean Donna. Not that I
want Donna to get away with anything, but but what
(20:46):
But I just feel like they they they could have
done a better job. One thing they they tried to
they tried to do and they didn't manage to do
to establish was that Katie because she she said to herself,
didn't have direct contact with Donna. Okay, we've established that,
but you don't need direct contact with Donna to you know,
(21:11):
confirm that she is party to this plot to murder
Dan Markel. I mean, Charlie didn't really have exactly, like
Charlie didn't have direct contact with Sick Fredo Garcia, Lewis
Rivera other than a random you know. I think they
had like a random phone call previous to it because
they thought about something random over Katie. But it's like
(21:34):
Charlie Adelson's in jail without direct contact with the the murderers,
like the actual hitman.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
He's in jail. Katie doesn't need.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Direct contact with Donna to establish guilt, and so they're
trying to prove that, and they did. They successfully proved.
Katie Mcmanawah, did you ever have direct contact with Donna Edelson? Well, no,
it all went through Charlie, But that doesn't mean she's
not guilty.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Exactly exactly yeah, I mean you said it just there.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
That's where my brain went instantly was the fact that,
I mean, this all happened from an envelope.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
Yes, it was all from.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
A chartally handing Katie an envelope and saying to give
it to someone. She never even said who it was
gonna be to.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
Act, She never opened it, he didn't know back and forth.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
So it's like it's one of those things where that
is ridiculous if you think, oh, well, because.
Speaker 9 (22:32):
She never spoke to her face to face, she can't
be a guilty party.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
We already know that.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
That's you know, not accurate.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
That's not something that needs to be Yeah, exactly exactly.
So after Katie's Katie's testimony, then they they bring in
Sergeant Corbett from the TALLAHASSEEPD, who's I think he's like
a forensic communication specialist or something like that, which he's
(23:00):
basically like a numbers guy for yeah, for communications, So
he's numbers and emails and text messages, and basically he's
there to kind of testify about all the convoluted conversations
and you know, communications between all the Adelsons and and
(23:22):
all of the people involved in this plot and a
ventual murder of Dan Markel, and basically they they're saying
that one thing that I found, one thing that I
wrote down in my notes. It actually has not a
lot to do with the actual murder, but really does
speak to Donna Adelson's character and the amount of involvement
(23:47):
she really had in her children's life. Was there was
this email to Wendy where Donna is saying that you
need to make sure you tell the judge Wendy that
because I and your dad have to go up to
(24:07):
Tallahassee so often to help you, we have to go
up to Tallahassee so often to help you, that we're
making less money at our business and that's a hardship.
It's really impacting us and your brother because he's not
able to, you know, do the the business that he
needs to do, and that's really causing a problem. And
(24:29):
I'm like, how does this you know, the how does
the the I mean, I get it, you're helping, you know,
your daughter with the child's care, but at the end
of the day, she's a full grown adult with a
job of her own.
Speaker 10 (24:48):
Dude, just make the dad have to screen exactly what
in the world, what in the actual world. I was
just like, oh my god, you're so self centered. You're
like insert arding your problems into your daughters. It was
just it was just very again, I think, just spoke
to Donna's involvement and her manipulation and just like her
(25:13):
her desperation.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
And like the the lengths that she would go to
to get what she wanted.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
And then this this Sergeant Corbett. He also testified to
a lot of.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Texts between Donna and Charlie, a lot of their communication
about Wendy and just like the problems that Wendy was
having with Dan. And then we spoke about this too,
I think briefly. I know we've talked about it before
in the podcast. We might have mentioned it before, you know,
(25:49):
in the last couple of days too, but about Wendy
wanting to buy a house, which Donna and Charlie really
didn't want her to do, and how Donna had basically
tasked Charlie with be like basically convinced your sister not
to buy this house, you know, and then Charlie really
really being like, yes, Mom, yes Mom, I'm gonna make
(26:10):
sure I get her not to buy this.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
House, and then him him.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
You know, running back to his mom, Mom, Mom, I
did it. She's not gonna buy it. And her replying back,
you know, basically.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Good boy, good boy, you did such a good job.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Mom is so happy, you know, and it's just like
the dynamic is just like.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
It's very definitely it's such a i mean the name
of this trial, you know, the matriarch.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
Oh yeah, matriarch, mastermind whatever.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
Yeah, it fits to a team.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
Every single person that goes up there says the exact
same thing when it comes to her character that she
is controlling.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
She is, you know, the one.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Who ran the show when it came the family, which,
let me say, is not particularly a bad thing now.
Speaker 8 (27:07):
The controlling portion, yes, but the the matriarchy, the you know,
bringing your family together, being that solid foundation your family
is such a beautiful thing.
Speaker 7 (27:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
The other details, the manipulation, the controllingness, Yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
That's the problem right there.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Yeah, I'm I I definitely see it, and I think
that you know, they're they're definitely laying a lot of good,
strong foundation. You can see that they're really really uh
doing a good job demonstrating and just setting up this
pattern that a you know, Donna had her hands in
(27:51):
everything when it came to the adel sins that be
you know, Charlie basic would do was in constant communication
with his mom. There's nothing that Charlie was doing that
his mom didn't know about.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
Basically. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
I think part of the communication thing that that that
Corbett did was he you know, established like how much
that Adelson's were talking to each other, and like the
constant back and forth and back and forth and back
and forth. And I mean there wasn't a day even
when they were out of the country, right, that went
by that they weren't in constant communication. And that communication
(28:34):
and a lot of times during this time period, right
had to do about Windy.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
So I think that they're laying a really strong foundation then.
And the next thing that I'm really really looking forward to,
you know, seeing in this is when they interview the
detectives about the bump. I know that's going to come
up this week, it might even be as soon as tomorrow.
But that's really where we're gonna see Donna Adelson's directs interactions,
(29:06):
uh with this, because she is the one that they
walk up to initially and you know try to basically blackmail.
So that's where she's gonna get super involved, and I
will be interested to see how that goes.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
I'm also I'm.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Really I'm really not sure what the defense because you know,
so far their crosses have been meager, and they they're
they're just not being very aggressive.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Yeah, I thought you were gonna say, what is the defense?
Speaker 5 (29:39):
They're tactics, They're not something that makes sense to me
at this.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I mean, they're they're very I mean, they they are,
you know, they're they're they're asking the right questions. I
guess to show that like look Donna, I mean they're
showing like, yeah, Donna could not have been involved, but
they're just not doing it very aggressively. And I just
I feel I don't know, So maybe they'll bring out
(30:04):
some witnesses that could be doing a better job. I mean, maybe,
you know, when Charlie comes on the stand, that's where
they'll really be able to do it.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
We'll we'll have to see, but until tomorrow, we'll have
to find out. We'll have to find out anything else
that sticks out for you today, No, I think that's it.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
You know, I've really all I will have right here
is like I don't sit down and watch trials the
way that I have been the past couple of days.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
It's been very eye opening for me to kind of
see the whole process because it's not.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Something I really am super knowledgeable about anything that I've
done research wise for like motherlike murder or anything. It's
like I watch clips or I read articles or.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I kind of.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Don't get the full picture.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
So it's it's really been eye opening for me to
watch all of this happen. So I'm just ego for
the rest of it.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Yeah, it's it is interesting, right how it's hard because
there's there's a there's there's quite a bit of breaks.
If you guys have never watched a trial, like from
start to end, there's a lot of breaks. There's a
lot of especially in trials like this where it's been
I mean they're on their fifth trial at this point
with a lot of the same evidence. So there's a
(31:25):
lot of back and forth, a lot of sidebar, a
lot of objection, a lot of no, no, no, no, which
isn't you know, which isn't an unheard of but there's
like a lot of sidebar. Okay, you can continue with
this line of questioning and you know, strike this from
from the record, and but there's a lot of breaks,
there's and there's actually like a decent amount of especially
(31:47):
in this one. I don't know if you caught the
joke where before they were bringing in Charlie's ex girlfriend
they couldn't track her down and the.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
And the judge was like FBI.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
So there is you know, a certain amount of levity,
which is hard because you know, someone did die. But
you know, if you're gonna go through two weeks of
of this, it's it's you have to have some certain
amount of levity if you're gonna be able to make
it through. But yeah, it's a it's an interesting dynamic,
(32:22):
right because these trials are supposed to be adversarial. Uh,
but you know, at the same time, these people have
been in each other's company, you know, the this prosecutor and.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
This the for for for months now years at this point.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
So you know, if if if it's just this animosity NonStop,
that's that's got to be stressful.
Speaker 7 (32:41):
So yeah, it's it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
It's interesting and and we shall see if if this
is uh, if y'all like this trial coverage and there's
more trials you want us to cover like this, you
have to let us know. I'm enjoying this so far,
but of course I have a vested interest in this
trial and right now, you know, it is a good time.
I have the I have the time to actually watch
(33:04):
this one, so it's it's the timing's good. But if
this is something you guys are liking, you'll have to
let us know.
Speaker 7 (33:11):
Yeah, definitely, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
All right, we will be back tomorrow with the next one.
Speaker 8 (33:16):
I mean, I'm already like, who is it gonna be?
Speaker 1 (33:19):
I know, you have like a list for me to
look at it.
Speaker 7 (33:22):
They have it. There is a list somewhere.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Maybe I can try to check it down, but you
never know, you never Yeah, exactly, that's what I was
gonna say. That's what I was gonna say. Yeah, you're
on it. See you're already a pro.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
All right, I'm like, I am this man.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
I love it. All right, Well until tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
All right, We'll talk to you guys tomorrow.
Speaker 11 (33:43):
Okay, love you bye, Okay, I love you bye.
Speaker 9 (34:00):
Was the last days
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