August 28, 2025 • 42 mins
Welcome to Like Mother Like Murder's Day 5 Trial updates providing daily coverage in the ongoing trial of Donna Adelson for the murder of Dan Markel.
Today, Rachel and Heather discuss THE BUMP PART 2. The State continues with the testimony of FBI Special Agent Sanford who walks through the calls between Donna and Charlie Adelson iafter "the bump". Rachel and Heather also discuss thier theories about Wendi Adelson.
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Today, Rachel and Heather discuss THE BUMP PART 2. The State continues with the testimony of FBI Special Agent Sanford who walks through the calls between Donna and Charlie Adelson iafter "the bump". Rachel and Heather also discuss thier theories about Wendi Adelson.
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Donna Adelson Arrested
Markel & Adelson - Part 2 (recaps Leading up to Donna's Trial)
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Charlie Adelson on Trial
Charlie Adelson Guilty
Donna Adelson Arrested
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome to Like Mother Like Murder. I am Rachel and
I'm Heather. We bring you the good.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
The badass, and the crime. This is Like Mother Like Murder, and.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Right now is Like Mother Like Murders Trial updates where
we will be providing daily coverage in the ongoing trial
of Donna Adelson for the murder of Dan Markel. We've
been covering this case for years now and so far
four people have been found guilty in the plot to
murder this father of two young boys, and Donna Adelson,
(00:54):
dan Markel's former mother in law, is the latest conspirator
to stand trial for this crime. Rachel and I will
be continuing to provide coverage every day and we'll be
joined by special guests throughout this special series. We will
be bringing you this every day that there is trial coverage.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So let's do this.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Today is day five of the ongoing trial of Dom Adelson.
For the Day five of Dan Day five, day breaking five,
and today we continued continued the direct of special Agent
(01:34):
FBI Special Agent Sanford, who was the lead agent on
the case, and he talked a lot more about the bumps.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
It was like Bump Day Part two.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Oh yeah, Bump Day part two for sure. For sure.
A couple of things that I wanted to say really
quickly is, first of all, you guys can hear me today,
I apologize for the past two days. You know, we're
we're bringing these in real time. We are watching, we
are listening, we are researching, we are updating, and we
(02:07):
all have moms.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, we have lies.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
So I'm like at soccer practice, like, okay, enjoy your
shock practice.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Gotta go get on a call.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
So in the.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
If I'm back in my studio though.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
You know, so that is the exciting thing when it
comes to that portion. The other portion is yesterday I
did not watch enough, and I made that very clear
that I was very bombed that I missed out on
stuff because.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I was not, as I don't want to say, like.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
All knowing or like up to date when it comes
to Charlie or the other arrest and trials, right, but
I didn't pay attention the way that I am paying
attention right now for this trial. And I think that
that came with the fact that Heather, you have.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Been so.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
In tune and like bringing all the updates, and so
I listen to my favorite podcaster as you tell me
all the updates. I haven't had to do this, but
this has been exciting. And today I sat there and
I listened to phone call after phone call phone call
of the wire taps on the phones, and the conversations
(03:24):
that were happening behind the scenes before the arrests happened.
And let me tell you, they did not disappoint.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I mean they disappointed big time.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Because the thing is is, ultimately this is tragic, and
this is horrible and awful.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
But the fact that they.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Do these things and take these measures to get these
people is what I meant when I.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Say no for sure. What's crazy is is like.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
This just goes to show that if a these people,
they just like Charlie is just so pretentious, like every
time words come out of his mouth. And obviously, like
we heard a lot from Charlie today over these calls,
because almost every single call was him to Katie or
him to his mom, and there was a night full
(04:16):
of calls between Katie and Sifrito.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
But like, yeah, like he is just just a pretentious asshole.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
So but anyway, yeah, so we were you know, the
whole day was the special Agent on the stand. He's
gonna start the day again tomorrow, so he'll probably break
Corbett's record for longest on on the witness stand. But
tomorrow I think they'll start his cross. Well, they'll definitely
start his cross. I don't know they'll if they'll start
(04:46):
the day with his cross, but he'll be cross examined
by the defense.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
We'll see how it goes.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
You know, I've had a problem with how well the
defense has mounted their cross examinations.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
We'll see if they do any better.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
But we kind of of what we what they did
was they they had been tracking right, they had been
everything was tapped, they'd been tracking it.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
They had started the bump. This got things moving.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
And where we really start to see this now is
you know, this is after the undercover agent had gone
up to Donna Adelson and said, hey, look, you know
you need to you need to take care of Basically,
he's saying, look, you took care of Katie Macbanawah, you're
taking care of her, you know sick, Fredo Garcia, you
(05:31):
also need to take care of Luis Rivera. You know,
we took care of this job for you. All three
of them were involved. You need to you need to
deal with it. And so Charlie, this pretentious guy, And
of course he's finding a way to talk about this
in this like weird way, and of all things, he
finds a way to talk about I don't know if
you did you catch this part because the audio is horrible.
(05:51):
Of course they have the transcription there, which is helpful.
But he finds a way to talk about his penis,
Like throughout this whole chance, every single thing from penis
to tits to every.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I'm like, what is happened to god children?
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Like you're my godchildren, like godfather to my children, like everything,
I'm like, what is happening? Guy?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Like you are just so ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
But eventually, eventually what he does is he tells Katie,
he says, look, I'm gonna give you ten k to
pay this guy. And he tells her basically, get in
contact with Louis Rivera, however you need to do it,
like tell Sifredo Garcia, whatever you need to do, contact
the guy.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I'm going to give you the number. And he says,
you know, tell them that.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
You heard he got in contact with the people and
that they they they dropped the name, and that basically
tell them, look they had nothing to do with it,
meaning the atal sins they had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
You have nothing to do with it. And but because they're.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Charitable people, he says, make sure you use the word
charity and make sure you you're saying you're just helping
them out. And because they're nice people pretty much and
this charity, they're gonna give you the money. And it's
just like, what the hell, Like this is so dumb,
and just he's like, make sure you tell them, like,
you know, I had to do a lot to make
sure they don't go to the cops. But we're gonna
(07:13):
give you this money, but don't contact them again or
they're gonna go to the police. And so you know,
it's it's so dumb, it's so dumb. But they continue
with the conversation. They're talking about this person. And what
I what I found out of this conversation, out of
this conversation that Charlie's having with his with Katie mcmanawa too,
(07:34):
is like there's one part where he's talking to her
and he goes, you know, this person though he's he's blackmailing.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
This person's blackmailing someone someone. You know, they either take
care of that person who's.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Blackmailing them, and they say, Okay, you're blackmailing someone who
has no problem possibly doing bad things. You're not blackmailing
someone who just you know, like had sex with their secretary. No, Oh,
you're blackmailing someone, yeah, like a criminal, like someone has
actually does this for a living.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
He's like, you're paying with the big boys now or something.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
So like he's like like the way that he's saying it,
he's almost saying like, yeah, you just blackmailed someone who
was willing.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
To kill somebody. And I'm just like you are.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I mean, you're trying to be all big badass, I'm
Charlie freakin' Atalsen and you're basically admitting your guilt here.
So dumb, he's I mean, in all this we saw
at Charlie Aedelson's trial, But how does it connect to Donna?
He has this whole conversation, he walks out, and who
does he immediately call after talking to.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Katie every single time?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Though it's not once, it's not twice, it's not three times,
and it's not only after talking to Katie, it's before
talking to Katie. It's it's every single morning, and it's
it's bizarre to me because I will admit I am
one of the most uh family oriented.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Out there.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, I called my mom. I talked to my mom.
We are very close time constantly.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
But it's the.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Timing timing, yes, but also the content and the the
conversation itself is also like what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Like this is.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
All so bizarre, and she It's very clear to me
from what I heard in all of these phone calls
that he is just trying to make her feel as
secure and as content as he possibly can make her, which,
you know, of course, tugged at me in a way
(09:42):
of like, you know, I know that this this is
Donna's trial, right, this is Donna's trill. I understand that's
what we're here talking about today. But it did kind
of like make me at points think like damn, he
really did bring her through it, you know, and he
(10:02):
told her like things are fine, things are great, Things
are okay, things are gonna be you know, they're gonna
be what they are.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Calm down.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
The amount of times throughout the conversations that I heard
today where he's like, you overreact, you overreact.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
You need to chill out, you need to.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Overreact exactly, and it's like, damn, Like what a manipulative human.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I mean he learned from him. I mean where did he?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Where are you from? Right?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
So yeah, yeah, But the other you bring up a
good point because here's the thing though, If Donna had
nothing to do with it, and I thought about this today,
like let's just say like she had nothing to do
with it, like beforehand, and let's say she only knew
about it like after the.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Fact or whatever, right like.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Like and he's bringing her there, like, let's say that
this this undercover agent or whatever walks up to her,
hands her this piece of paper, and you know, she
she doesn't go to the cops or whatever reason. She
goes to Charlie, and Charlie just says, Mom, I've taken
care of it. And she really didn't know anything, she
would have just dropped it, right. If she really didn't
(11:10):
know anything, it wouldn't be a constant contact.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Of oh don't But it seems like every single day
it was contant, like and I remember there was even
the one phone call where he calls her like right
after you know, him and him and Katie had talked
and they had started using like this real estate like
you know, code words, and she started saying like, oh,
(11:34):
something about where this was where they had started talking
and thinking like, yeah, this might not be real, like
this might be fake, Like this might not be a
real you know thing.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
This might be like the cops pretending that, you know,
it's a it's a this is the cover they're they're
just trying to get something out of us. And he
of course calls his mom right after, and he starts
off the conversation by saying, oh, i'm driving. There's a
lot of lease around giving out tickets or something. There's
a lot of police around. And he says, that's what
(12:06):
I think it is, without question, And it was just
like a non sequitor distraight. There's a lot of police around,
you know, giving tickets. That's what I think it is,
without question. And she goes, oh oh. And then you know,
so there's a lot of stuff like that where Charlie
is just trying to tell his mom, yeah, like, no problem,
don't worry it is. It's definitely what I think it was.
(12:27):
You don't got to worry, no, no, no, And then
there's just a lot of stuff going on, you know,
a lot of him telling his mom that, a lot
of him telling Katie that, and you know this this
Sanford guy is this FBI ag and he's just on
the stand going back and forth talking about you know,
here's here's this this call between Katie and Charlie. Then
(12:50):
Charlie calls Don and then Katie calls Sick righto.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
And then Charlie and Katie talk and then.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
And then I texted chill Us about this today because
I was like, it's just so funny.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Because at one point, though, Katie gets.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Just pissed and she's like like she's on the phone
with Childie and she's like, I'm sticking of this code shit.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Just no, no, no, no. She's like, oh for like
the the code talking. She's like, no more real estate
ble no one of this that or the other.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Like she really she went off in that moment. And
actually the next few phone calls so that day it
was very clear, Like I'm always like, oh, put yourself
in these shoes, da da da.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
This was the day.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
This was the moment that she felt insecure in oh yeah,
in their plan, in their in their method and their
madness all of it. And it showed in every single
phone call. It's crazy because I feel like the more
(13:55):
that you hear from Charlie. He's very manipulative. He reminds
me of people in life, and he's very able to
like keep his cool and keep his composure in high
stressful situations. And at one point today Catherine mag Banawah
was like, there ain't no fucking way and she lost
(14:18):
her I think that, Like there was over a hundred
f words in just that day of phone calls. She
was like, I will, I will figure it out. Like
f this, this is not happening. This is not like
figure it out, you know, And it just showed even more. Yeah,
(14:40):
you know, ye s guilty, which we already knew in
that that aspect, but I mean bringing it back to Donna.
Every single time there was this conversation with Katie Magbanwah,
the phone call ended and the first person that.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Was called was Donna.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
It was here, let me give you an update. There's
nothing to wor worry about, nothing to worry about.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Guess what about?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
There was a lot and he does eventually, So at
the beginning, you know, this all started because the undercover agent, right,
he approaches Donna, Donna calls Charlie.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Charlie calls Katie.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
And tells Katie, you call the number that was given
to my mom. Katie actually tells sick Fredo Garcia, you.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Call the number.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
I could say the number out loud right now, that's
how I mean? How many times? Yeah, so funny?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
How many times they got the number wrong?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
And I'm like, how I mean you guys, like, it's
the fuck you should know what this number is, like, seriously,
it's the blackmail number. But then so so eventually though,
and it's so funny because between Katie and sick Fredo
Garcia saying how many times they called the number?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
A Sanford's on the phone.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Saying no, they never call him the number, which is hilarious.
But then eventually Charlie actually does pick up the phone
and call the number, and the undercover agent picks and
this is like the only time, right, It's been so
long at this point, this is the only time anyone
ever actually talks to the undercover agent.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
And the undercover agent is like, look, this is the deal.
I gave the thing.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
To to missus Adelson. I told her she needs to
take care of you know, Tato, Tuto. You took care
of Katie, You took care of Tato. You need to
take care of Tuto. And and he's like, you need
to deal with it. And Charlie's like, well, I don't
know what you're talking about, but let me look into
it kind of thing d D.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
And you know, he actually is the only one to
ever talk to the undercover agent.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
And at this point, you know, they had approached on
the street, they had sent a letter to their home,
they had called the Adelson Institute, and and so like
they had been trying to to, you know, push this forward,
and so you know they did.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
They did. Charlie did make a call, finally, finally make
a call.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, but after after so much back and forth, so
much I am like, I called, I called, I call
calls like, no, you didn't And of course the undercover
agents like no, no, definitely did not call. And she's like,
I called nothing or they were then after you call,
you call, and they fought and they fought and they fought,
and then the next phone call would be like, oh, honey,
(17:23):
you want a gift? Do you want to let me
you want to meet at the beach, Like.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
It's crazy to me, Like it's crazy. It was so confusing.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
It was definitely so confusing, and this call that was made,
it was very interesting too, because at the end of
the call, the undercover agents like do the right thing,
like do the right thing. And Charlie, you know, when
he talks to his mom after this, he's like, this
is definitely the cops.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
You know, who says do the right thing. No no, no,
And he's like even even more so just believing it's
the it's the police. And so.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
It's just you know, and Charlie every time he's every
time he goes on this like grand standing, like pretentious,
like you know, speeches to his mom or even.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
To Katie, I'm like, well you stop talking.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
It just really really because you know, I don't know
if you remember this. I think I mentioned it like
way way way back when we first covered it, like
very first episode that Charlie Adelson used to.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
When he drove when he was not incarcerated.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
He drove a Ferrari with a vanity license plate and
the and the vanity license plate said, uh, maestro, do.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
You know I do not remember that?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
And you're just like, nobody gets a vanity license plate
on my show. He's just such a oh my gosh,
oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
He's in his mind he was untouchable.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yes, that's the only way that I can like see
it is like in his mind he was this untouchable
person the way and there's so many times like within
his conversations that it's the boys, the gringo, it's the you.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Know, oh I'm white, this that you know.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
And he just lived in this bubble of like security, oh.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
For sure, and anything.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
The man with money, he can get away with anything.
And this whole family kind of had that that thing.
And it's it's crazy because they played a lot of
conversations to between him and Donna where they're like talking
about Wendy and her love life and at this point
they really really.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
That was the other thing I had written down is.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
They they're not telling Wendy about this situation, the current situation,
and it seems like they had kept it from Harvey.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
The dad for a while too. They did eventually seem
like they.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Told Harvey, but for a while they were trying to
keep it from it. So but the more and more
that he talks to Donna, the more and more he
talks to his and says stuff, the more it just
seems to me, to me, allegedly, in my opinion, it
really implicates that she is a guilty party.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
And like I.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Said, like even if they want to try to say,
like she didn't know anything before, this just really shows
that even if you want to say she was a
party after the fact, even if you want to say
that like you know, okay, she didn't know anything before,
but she definitely at this point knows exactly what freaking happened,
and she is helping, you know, keep all of this
(20:35):
under wraps, and it's just absolutely ridiculous, and it's very clear,
Like it's very clear she knows exactly what's happening. See
with her, it's one of those things where yes, it
is clear, but at the same time, like Charlie, it
seemed like he was working whatever magic he had in
(20:57):
every single relationship and every single conversation, in every single
area of this. So I it's it's crazy because like
in today and in these conversations, I think less of
Donna as the matriarch mastermind and.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
More of the.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Believing in her little boy, and he's doing what he
wants to to keep this family together. You know. The
other thing that I felt at one point was I
know that yesterday or the day before, I don't remember
that I spoke on the fact that I thought, yeah,
(21:41):
two days ago when Jeff Lacouse went up and Katie
magdan while went up, that I felt that.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Wendy was one all knowing, knew.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Exactly what was going on, and in these conversations they
made me believe that sometimes she didn't. Yeah, and I'm
not I don't think that way right now, like with
the other conversations that happened, and I still firmly believe
that she was in the know of what was going on. Yeah,
But they truly, like with their conversations made me think
(22:18):
at certain points that I was like, Ooh, how much.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Did she know?
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Or ooh, how much was yeah, because the way they
talk about it, it's that it's like Wendy doesn't realize
she was given a second chance, and she's not like
blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Blah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I see your point, and I agree with I can
tell like I agree with you, because the way they
make a sound is as is as if she.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Like didn't even know.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
But they also like infantilize her a lot, as if
like she doesn't even know what's good for her, Like
they she doesn't even realize that the man she's dating
is perfect for her, like as if like she's not a.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
You know, a grown woman in another like you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
So it could just a little it's such a pope
teer situation though, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
It's like, Oh, she doesn't know what's good for her.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
It's like that's because you guys are trying to fucking
puppet your way into her life and and make that
thing that wasn't necessary.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Like that's crazy for sure. No, I totally agree. Yeah,
I think that's definitely a big part of it too.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
And I always and I've always wondered too if if
they just never told Wendy that, Like like I wonder
if they told Wendy like we're gonna have someone go
threaten Dan that if he doesn't like agree to it,
he's gonna get hurt. And like maybe she just didn't
know that they were, Like so do actually a question,
(23:43):
like a legit question from from me trying to understand
it's very clear that with or Donna, Charlie, Katie sick
for people are tapped. Yeah, they're being listened to. Yeah,
(24:05):
it was Wendy. First of all, I assumed she was.
I assume she and so therefore there is that part
of me that's like they weren't calling her every two seconds.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
They weren't comment out of it.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Yeah, And it's like so for me, even if there
was a conversation, I mean, obviously Charlie said some ship
that made people question things in the first place. I mean, oh, yeah,
you know what for your divorce gift, I'm gonna buy
you a TV. Yeah, it's cheaper than hiring a hitman.
It's clear that these conversations were had. But maybe that
(24:44):
is the thing. That's like they kept her in the
dark on certain things, and maybe she wasn't asad knowing.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
That's why I believe, Like I.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Think that's what you know. April asked us the other day,
like how much no she knew? And I thought about
it over and over and over. Yeah, that she knew enough,
she knew enough, and or she at least like but
did she know? That's what I'm trying to say, Heather,
(25:15):
let me ask you a question, Okay, And this might
ruin our lives. This might come back to us someday
and ruin our lives.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
That's all alleged.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Everyone that we speak about on this podcast is innocent
until proven guilty. Okay, that should cover us. So you
hear we both have brothers, mm hmm. You hear your
brother saying some stupid ass ship. People say stupid ass ship.
It's not okay, but some people say dumb stuff. She's
(25:45):
grown up with Charlie, she and and and it. To me,
from what I've heard, it doesn't seem like overnight he
was this dumb ass, right. It's like it was very
clear that this is the exactly yep. So you're used
to your brother being this way, making these comments, saying
stupid shit?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Do you report?
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Oh, my brother made a comment that it was cheaper
to buy a TV than hire a hitman, right, so
like in the beginning, do you report that? But then,
of course, like after everything happened, So, no, she doesn't.
It's clear she didn't, But like after everything happens, it's
like and you start putting two and two together, then
(26:32):
is it like, holy shit, this happened.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I remember my brother said this.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
This is what it's looking like?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
What do I do? You know?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
So it does, in a sense like make me think,
like is she more innocent than I thought three days ago?
And here's why I believe that she is not a
truly innocent party.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, allegedly all in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
M hm. She happened to ask Dan while she was
down in South Florida about schedule wise, schedule wise, are
you going to be you know, can I have the
boys this weekend? And is that not common that you're
(27:25):
not in a split marriage. I've been divorced the amount
of times that me and my ex husband had to
talk about you know, hey, are you going to be
around or are you gonna have her?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Am I going to have her? For sure?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Okay, double's advocate here, and it's it's not it's and
you're right. See, this is the thing. It's not just
one of these things. It's never just one thing, right,
It's the the combination of all of these things.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Because it's that it's the fact that she drove by
her old neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah, that's crazy, fucking police tape on the street where
her sons and her ex husband. And I'm so and
I'm really sorry because this is the things Even if
you fucking hate your ex husband, Yeah, your kids, your kids,
those that is.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
The father of your children.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
If you were clearly distraught when you found out your
ex husband had been shot, if you saw police tape
on the fucking street where your ex husband lived.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
I'm sorry. Why is your first call not to your
ex husband?
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Yeah, she didn't call the daycare to confirm that the
kids were there and safe.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
She didn't call Danny. She continued on her way to
her fucking.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Little lunch to uh lunch.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, get the fuck out of here, Wendy. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, if that didn't immediately put a pit in your stomach.
I hear helicopters around my neighborhood and I kind of
freaking out because my daughter's school is down the street.
I send tech messages or concerning things to people that
I know, and I love them, you know what I mean,
Like two friends that I oh, So I heard something
(29:15):
happened in your area. Are you guys good?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
And that's your children and your police tape on the
street where your kids were staying. No, And even if
you even if you had confirmed, let's say she had
confirmed that her kids were at daycare, that's still your
ex husband, the father of your children.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Wouldn't you want again here?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I'm gonna ask you this because you're right, I don't
know what it's like to be in a divorced colle
parenting relationship. If you've heard her news that there were
police tape on the street of your ex husband, the
father of your child, would you not fucking call him?
Of course I would call exactly exactly. And so that
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the fact that so that the other thing and this
is and I bring up Jeff Lacasse and I tell
you that he's one of my favorite witnesses, but and
like maybe he's and and Jeff, he's a character, but
like his testimony to me is she's cut. Her behavior
towards him is so weird, it's so suspect.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
It just seems so odd.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, because because to me, it's one of those she's
at a point in her life where she's at this crossroads.
She has all this shit going on, and I mean,
we've had the theory that were.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
They trying to set up Jeff.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Right, So there's that portion of it, But there's also
the portion of, like if she was just in this
complete like mental distraught of like all of this is happening,
I don't know if I can keep you around, but
I kind of want you around, But I also don't
want you to be near me because I don't know
what's going on, so kick rocks, but also I need
someone who's there.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yeah, like it's all.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
That price, Like I get, yeah, but it's like the
timing of it is so fucking weird.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
And now that we've heard Rob say that she's straight.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Up live, I know, I know, yeah, yeah, and I'm not.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
And I should go back and double check the testimony
because I think they asked Rob about like the timing
of those text messages and stuff, like when did it
because I was like, well, maybe it was at a
time when she hadn't told her parents yet that she
was dating him or something like that, but at that
point he had met her kids, because didn't he sent
like the picture she sent she was about to go
on a trip with him. So I'm like, I'm sorry,
(31:35):
I don't think you go on a trip with him.
I don't think you introduce him to your kids and
do the whole thing if he hasn't met your parents yet,
especially for her, like for her family, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
So I'm like, why is she lying to her brother
about it?
Speaker 3 (31:50):
You know? And then they there's just too many coincidences
for her not to have been like in the know
in some way allegedly in my opinion, everybody on this
podcast is no. I totally, I totally see that. And
it's crazy to me how completely sideways this when because
(32:10):
today's Testamenty really had nothing to do with her, but
it's but it's it, but it does because like it's right,
like you're right, like I am. It is interesting that
they've kept Wendy completely out of it.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
But then you go back and like it is true
that they were.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Like they specifically said, like we don't we don't want
to tell Wendy any of this, and even in part
of it, they were like, we don't want to tell
Dad any of this until they did eventually tell excuse me,
tell Harvey like a little bit about it. But like
they I'm still curious as to what they told him though,
because it's like he you know, he skipped work because
(32:45):
he couldn't get out of bed and he was so
messed up from everything they say. I think Harvey didn't
know the whole truth about everything, and then they finally
came clean to him and he was like, oh my god, yeah,
oh my god. And I think that's the reason that
right now Donna is standing child and they haven't arrested Harvey. See,
(33:07):
but and and to me, part of it is like,
so what did they tell Harvey, because it's very clear
that they're keeping things from him, so like when they
told him something, was what they told him? Just the
fact that you know what they kind of brought the
first time around, of well Charlie first time around, of
(33:29):
we were being like blackmailed in a sense. And I
mentioned all of the struggles with exactly exactly because it
seems to me like, oh, I believe we could go.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Layers deep, for sure, layers deep on this. So it's
it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
I would be, I would be, I would pay good
money to be a fly on the wall because we
still do not know. I we still don't know the
conversation that happened between Charlie and his dad at that
restaurant because the audio was.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
So bad and then they got.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Paid and then like we don't We still don't really know,
So it's it's hard to say, but yeah, I don't
know how much they told his dad, or even if
they told the dad the whole truth, Like are they
even still lying to him to the things day and
to this day, I personally I believe it, that's possible.
(34:32):
He's sitting there wave in to them not knowing blood masks,
which is.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Like, it's very sad. It is very sad.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Yeah, but that just goes to show you. I mean,
he's been married to Donna for.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
How long literally dressed people. Man, who cares how long
they were married. I don't care about her.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
I'm just saying, you can never really trust anyone.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
That's what's so crazy. It is crazy. It is crazy.
It's it's.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
It's insane to know that today was literally all.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Phone calls, all phones, yes, pretty much. Yeah, and tomorrow
the text is gonna stay. Yeah, but I mean, yeah,
it was all it was. It was all phone calls. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
I'm interested to see what the defense will do on
the days because I was gonna say, so, what's his name,
what's the FBI's name again?
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Uh? Sanford? Sanford.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
So he he was on two days ago for like
half the day. He was on the entire day today,
at least half the day tomorrow, it's not more, depending
on how long the defense decides to cross. But you know,
the like the defense like there anytime they want to
refute something, they write down, like you said in your testimony, that.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
No, no, no, no, no, couldn't it have been? No, no, no,
no no.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
And I mean he's spent you know, two days on
the stand for for the prosecution.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
He could spend more.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Else had like I mean, no, no, cut it in half,
like so he could spend like half a day to
a day for cross. I was gonna say, if the
defense was doing any good.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, they're so disorganizing her so bad.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
If I was on the defense, it would be two
full days. But since I'm not, it's gonna be And
I'm wondering who's gonna do it. Is it gonna be
the dude or the lady because she's like somehow.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Worse, very true.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
So like I didn't fully watch the first day, and
the guy was on more the first day, and then
the second day was pretty much the girl.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
So it's like, yeah, going back and forth.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Yea, So we'll see and we don't hear from defense
at all today because it was only a prosecution and
she's quiet, you know, And this is kind of like a.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
This is just a little side note.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
But the prosecuting person.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
What's her name, Georgia something, Georgia god Well cares well
something like that. No, but it's okay. Her name is Georgia.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I truly appreciate someone when they're good at what they do,
and she really is. So what's the right word. I
don't want to call her monotone because that's not the
point I'm trying to like make right now. But it's
more of like a she's just matter of fact. She's
(37:51):
very just like here it is Capelman, there it is.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
She makes me.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Think of April in how she expresses what she's trying
to say, and it's just like, here are the details,
here are the fit, straightforward, there's stuff, and I love her.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I love it. I love it so much.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
It well and it's so funny because like it shit
doesn't phase her, like when she can't get a video
to work when an.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Audio on, Yes, that's why there's nothing. There's no emotion
at all.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
When Sandford was like, oh, I don't think there was,
and then she just goes, well, blah blah blah, and
he goes there.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Was, and then like, yeah, nothing fades her. She exactly
right along. She's like, look, I'm not gonna trip up.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Or when like the defense tries to object and then
like a lot of times, what they do is they'll
object over her question, so the jury can't even hear
the question or the response.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
She just sounds.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
The judge says, like, you know, overrolled, she'll just repeat herself. Yeah,
they'll hear the answer, and she just like shit doesn't
face her. She doesn't get like excitable, and it's it's
a perfect way to just make sure like the information
of and the facts is her and you're not going
to get a rise out of me. It's it's a
it's yeah, she doesn't like her job. Props to you,
(39:07):
George Jack for sure, I really really like her. All right,
So tomorrow we are looking at more from Sanford, hopefully
other people, but who knows. At this point, I mean
with thinking that this was only going to be two
weeks because Heather and I for everyone listening, Heather and
I have talked about the fact that guess what, in
(39:28):
seven days we will be at crime con and so therefore,
with us doing this coverage on the Donna Edolsen trial,
it's like, where do we stand when that time comes?
Are we going to be like sitting at the kickoff party, like,
hold on really quick, we need to go do this update.
So it's like I'm hoping that he doesn't have much
(39:50):
longer because we need to get on with it, you know,
I know, but I say, the biggest thing that I'm
hoping is that we next week early next week, I'm
guessing the state. I'm hoping the state will rest their case,
the defense will start their case. And I'm guessing because
I read somewhere I don't know, we'll see. Charlie Adelson
(40:15):
needs to get on the stand. I'm guessing Hill I
need to.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
I need to watch.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Charlie Adelson, And so I'm hoping he gets on early
the next week, tomorrow please. So yeah, well, we'll need
to see that. But if we you know, we fly
on Thursday for crime con and uh so we're gonna
do the best we can, y'all, but we're gonna see
(40:43):
what happens.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
And because the thing is Monday is a.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Federal holiday, they're not gonna have court. Yeah, so we're
gonna see how it goes next week. But we'll be
back tomorrow. We're gonna see what else the state brings.
And uh, we'll see tomorrow, Sucial Agent Sanford, Yes we will.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
I'm ready for more phone calls, and.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
I think he's about I mean, he is about wrapped up.
I think it's just a matter of cross so I
think he's over putting his glasses on, taking them.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
I know he's taking them off.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
I was like, lave him on, dude, Like, geez, he's
he needs the bivocals or something. It's crazy to me.
Why is that one of the most bizarre parts of
this entire thing?
Speaker 1 (41:34):
That's crazy?
Speaker 3 (41:36):
All Right?
Speaker 1 (41:37):
I love this, Heather.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
I love seeing your excitement on this conversation.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yeah, because it's it's it's it's wild for sure.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
It is. All right.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
We will talk to you guys tomorrow tomorrow at some point,
you know, and hopefully you guys are enjoying this coverage
on the Donna Aedelson file.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
So tomorrow we will talk to you guys literally tomorrow.
How many times do I need to say tom all right? Okay,
love you bye?
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Okay, I love you bye.
Welcome to Like Mother Like Murder. I am Rachel and
I'm Heather. We bring you the good.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
The badass, and the crime. This is Like Mother Like Murder, and.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Right now is Like Mother Like Murders Trial updates where
we will be providing daily coverage in the ongoing trial
of Donna Adelson for the murder of Dan Markel. We've
been covering this case for years now and so far
four people have been found guilty in the plot to
murder this father of two young boys, and Donna Adelson,
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dan Markel's former mother in law, is the latest conspirator
to stand trial for this crime. Rachel and I will
be continuing to provide coverage every day and we'll be
joined by special guests throughout this special series. We will
be bringing you this every day that there is trial coverage.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So let's do this.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Today is day five of the ongoing trial of Dom Adelson.
For the Day five of Dan Day five, day breaking five,
and today we continued continued the direct of special Agent
(01:34):
FBI Special Agent Sanford, who was the lead agent on
the case, and he talked a lot more about the bumps.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
It was like Bump Day Part two.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Oh yeah, Bump Day part two for sure. For sure.
A couple of things that I wanted to say really
quickly is, first of all, you guys can hear me today,
I apologize for the past two days. You know, we're
we're bringing these in real time. We are watching, we
are listening, we are researching, we are updating, and we
(02:07):
all have moms.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, we have lies.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
So I'm like at soccer practice, like, okay, enjoy your
shock practice.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Gotta go get on a call.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
So in the.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
If I'm back in my studio though.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
You know, so that is the exciting thing when it
comes to that portion. The other portion is yesterday I
did not watch enough, and I made that very clear
that I was very bombed that I missed out on
stuff because.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I was not, as I don't want to say, like.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
All knowing or like up to date when it comes
to Charlie or the other arrest and trials, right, but
I didn't pay attention the way that I am paying
attention right now for this trial. And I think that
that came with the fact that Heather, you have.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Been so.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
In tune and like bringing all the updates, and so
I listen to my favorite podcaster as you tell me
all the updates. I haven't had to do this, but
this has been exciting. And today I sat there and
I listened to phone call after phone call phone call
of the wire taps on the phones, and the conversations
(03:24):
that were happening behind the scenes before the arrests happened.
And let me tell you, they did not disappoint.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I mean they disappointed big time.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Because the thing is is, ultimately this is tragic, and
this is horrible and awful.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
But the fact that they.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Do these things and take these measures to get these
people is what I meant when I.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Say no for sure. What's crazy is is like.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
This just goes to show that if a these people,
they just like Charlie is just so pretentious, like every
time words come out of his mouth. And obviously, like
we heard a lot from Charlie today over these calls,
because almost every single call was him to Katie or
him to his mom, and there was a night full
(04:16):
of calls between Katie and Sifrito.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
But like, yeah, like he is just just a pretentious asshole.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
So but anyway, yeah, so we were you know, the
whole day was the special Agent on the stand. He's
gonna start the day again tomorrow, so he'll probably break
Corbett's record for longest on on the witness stand. But
tomorrow I think they'll start his cross. Well, they'll definitely
start his cross. I don't know they'll if they'll start
(04:46):
the day with his cross, but he'll be cross examined
by the defense.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
We'll see how it goes.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
You know, I've had a problem with how well the
defense has mounted their cross examinations.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
We'll see if they do any better.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
But we kind of of what we what they did
was they they had been tracking right, they had been
everything was tapped, they'd been tracking it.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
They had started the bump. This got things moving.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
And where we really start to see this now is
you know, this is after the undercover agent had gone
up to Donna Adelson and said, hey, look, you know
you need to you need to take care of Basically,
he's saying, look, you took care of Katie Macbanawah, you're
taking care of her, you know sick, Fredo Garcia, you
(05:31):
also need to take care of Luis Rivera. You know,
we took care of this job for you. All three
of them were involved. You need to you need to
deal with it. And so Charlie, this pretentious guy, And
of course he's finding a way to talk about this
in this like weird way, and of all things, he
finds a way to talk about I don't know if
you did you catch this part because the audio is horrible.
(05:51):
Of course they have the transcription there, which is helpful.
But he finds a way to talk about his penis,
Like throughout this whole chance, every single thing from penis
to tits to every.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I'm like, what is happened to god children?
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Like you're my godchildren, like godfather to my children, like everything,
I'm like, what is happening? Guy?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Like you are just so ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
But eventually, eventually what he does is he tells Katie,
he says, look, I'm gonna give you ten k to
pay this guy. And he tells her basically, get in
contact with Louis Rivera, however you need to do it,
like tell Sifredo Garcia, whatever you need to do, contact
the guy.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I'm going to give you the number. And he says,
you know, tell them that.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
You heard he got in contact with the people and
that they they they dropped the name, and that basically
tell them, look they had nothing to do with it,
meaning the atal sins they had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
You have nothing to do with it. And but because they're.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Charitable people, he says, make sure you use the word
charity and make sure you you're saying you're just helping
them out. And because they're nice people pretty much and
this charity, they're gonna give you the money. And it's
just like, what the hell, Like this is so dumb,
and just he's like, make sure you tell them, like,
you know, I had to do a lot to make
sure they don't go to the cops. But we're gonna
(07:13):
give you this money, but don't contact them again or
they're gonna go to the police. And so you know,
it's it's so dumb, it's so dumb. But they continue
with the conversation. They're talking about this person. And what
I what I found out of this conversation, out of
this conversation that Charlie's having with his with Katie mcmanawa too,
(07:34):
is like there's one part where he's talking to her
and he goes, you know, this person though he's he's blackmailing.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
This person's blackmailing someone someone. You know, they either take
care of that person who's.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Blackmailing them, and they say, Okay, you're blackmailing someone who
has no problem possibly doing bad things. You're not blackmailing
someone who just you know, like had sex with their secretary. No, Oh,
you're blackmailing someone, yeah, like a criminal, like someone has
actually does this for a living.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
He's like, you're paying with the big boys now or something.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
So like he's like like the way that he's saying it,
he's almost saying like, yeah, you just blackmailed someone who
was willing.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
To kill somebody. And I'm just like you are.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I mean, you're trying to be all big badass, I'm
Charlie freakin' Atalsen and you're basically admitting your guilt here.
So dumb, he's I mean, in all this we saw
at Charlie Aedelson's trial, But how does it connect to Donna?
He has this whole conversation, he walks out, and who
does he immediately call after talking to.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Katie every single time?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Though it's not once, it's not twice, it's not three times,
and it's not only after talking to Katie, it's before
talking to Katie. It's it's every single morning, and it's
it's bizarre to me because I will admit I am
one of the most uh family oriented.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Out there.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, I called my mom. I talked to my mom.
We are very close time constantly.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
But it's the.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Timing timing, yes, but also the content and the the
conversation itself is also like what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Like this is.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
All so bizarre, and she It's very clear to me
from what I heard in all of these phone calls
that he is just trying to make her feel as
secure and as content as he possibly can make her, which,
you know, of course, tugged at me in a way
(09:42):
of like, you know, I know that this this is
Donna's trial, right, this is Donna's trill. I understand that's
what we're here talking about today. But it did kind
of like make me at points think like damn, he
really did bring her through it, you know, and he
(10:02):
told her like things are fine, things are great, Things
are okay, things are gonna be you know, they're gonna
be what they are.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Calm down.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
The amount of times throughout the conversations that I heard
today where he's like, you overreact, you overreact.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
You need to chill out, you need to.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Overreact exactly, and it's like, damn, Like what a manipulative human.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I mean he learned from him. I mean where did he?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Where are you from? Right?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
So yeah, yeah, But the other you bring up a
good point because here's the thing though, If Donna had
nothing to do with it, and I thought about this today,
like let's just say like she had nothing to do
with it, like beforehand, and let's say she only knew
about it like after the.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Fact or whatever, right like.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Like and he's bringing her there, like, let's say that
this this undercover agent or whatever walks up to her,
hands her this piece of paper, and you know, she
she doesn't go to the cops or whatever reason. She
goes to Charlie, and Charlie just says, Mom, I've taken
care of it. And she really didn't know anything, she
would have just dropped it, right. If she really didn't
(11:10):
know anything, it wouldn't be a constant contact.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Of oh don't But it seems like every single day
it was contant, like and I remember there was even
the one phone call where he calls her like right
after you know, him and him and Katie had talked
and they had started using like this real estate like
you know, code words, and she started saying like, oh,
(11:34):
something about where this was where they had started talking
and thinking like, yeah, this might not be real, like
this might be fake, Like this might not be a
real you know thing.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
This might be like the cops pretending that, you know,
it's a it's a this is the cover they're they're
just trying to get something out of us. And he
of course calls his mom right after, and he starts
off the conversation by saying, oh, i'm driving. There's a
lot of lease around giving out tickets or something. There's
a lot of police around. And he says, that's what
(12:06):
I think it is, without question, And it was just
like a non sequitor distraight. There's a lot of police around,
you know, giving tickets. That's what I think it is,
without question. And she goes, oh oh. And then you know,
so there's a lot of stuff like that where Charlie
is just trying to tell his mom, yeah, like, no problem,
don't worry it is. It's definitely what I think it was.
(12:27):
You don't got to worry, no, no, no, And then
there's just a lot of stuff going on, you know,
a lot of him telling his mom that, a lot
of him telling Katie that, and you know this this
Sanford guy is this FBI ag and he's just on
the stand going back and forth talking about you know,
here's here's this this call between Katie and Charlie. Then
(12:50):
Charlie calls Don and then Katie calls Sick righto.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
And then Charlie and Katie talk and then.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
And then I texted chill Us about this today because
I was like, it's just so funny.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Because at one point, though, Katie gets.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Just pissed and she's like like she's on the phone
with Childie and she's like, I'm sticking of this code shit.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Just no, no, no, no. She's like, oh for like
the the code talking. She's like, no more real estate
ble no one of this that or the other.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Like she really she went off in that moment. And
actually the next few phone calls so that day it
was very clear, Like I'm always like, oh, put yourself
in these shoes, da da da.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
This was the day.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
This was the moment that she felt insecure in oh yeah,
in their plan, in their in their method and their
madness all of it. And it showed in every single
phone call. It's crazy because I feel like the more
(13:55):
that you hear from Charlie. He's very manipulative. He reminds
me of people in life, and he's very able to
like keep his cool and keep his composure in high
stressful situations. And at one point today Catherine mag Banawah
was like, there ain't no fucking way and she lost
(14:18):
her I think that, Like there was over a hundred
f words in just that day of phone calls. She
was like, I will, I will figure it out. Like
f this, this is not happening. This is not like
figure it out, you know, And it just showed even more. Yeah,
(14:40):
you know, ye s guilty, which we already knew in
that that aspect, but I mean bringing it back to Donna.
Every single time there was this conversation with Katie Magbanwah,
the phone call ended and the first person that.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Was called was Donna.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
It was here, let me give you an update. There's
nothing to wor worry about, nothing to worry about.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Guess what about?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
There was a lot and he does eventually, So at
the beginning, you know, this all started because the undercover agent, right,
he approaches Donna, Donna calls Charlie.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Charlie calls Katie.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
And tells Katie, you call the number that was given
to my mom. Katie actually tells sick Fredo Garcia, you.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Call the number.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
I could say the number out loud right now, that's
how I mean? How many times? Yeah, so funny?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
How many times they got the number wrong?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
And I'm like, how I mean you guys, like, it's
the fuck you should know what this number is, like, seriously,
it's the blackmail number. But then so so eventually though,
and it's so funny because between Katie and sick Fredo
Garcia saying how many times they called the number?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
A Sanford's on the phone.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Saying no, they never call him the number, which is hilarious.
But then eventually Charlie actually does pick up the phone
and call the number, and the undercover agent picks and
this is like the only time, right, It's been so
long at this point, this is the only time anyone
ever actually talks to the undercover agent.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
And the undercover agent is like, look, this is the deal.
I gave the thing.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
To to missus Adelson. I told her she needs to
take care of you know, Tato, Tuto. You took care
of Katie, You took care of Tato. You need to
take care of Tuto. And and he's like, you need
to deal with it. And Charlie's like, well, I don't
know what you're talking about, but let me look into
it kind of thing d D.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
And you know, he actually is the only one to
ever talk to the undercover agent.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
And at this point, you know, they had approached on
the street, they had sent a letter to their home,
they had called the Adelson Institute, and and so like
they had been trying to to, you know, push this forward,
and so you know they did.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
They did. Charlie did make a call, finally, finally make
a call.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, but after after so much back and forth, so
much I am like, I called, I called, I call
calls like, no, you didn't And of course the undercover
agents like no, no, definitely did not call. And she's like,
I called nothing or they were then after you call,
you call, and they fought and they fought and they fought,
and then the next phone call would be like, oh, honey,
(17:23):
you want a gift? Do you want to let me
you want to meet at the beach, Like.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
It's crazy to me, Like it's crazy. It was so confusing.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
It was definitely so confusing, and this call that was made,
it was very interesting too, because at the end of
the call, the undercover agents like do the right thing,
like do the right thing. And Charlie, you know, when
he talks to his mom after this, he's like, this
is definitely the cops.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
You know, who says do the right thing. No no, no,
And he's like even even more so just believing it's
the it's the police. And so.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
It's just you know, and Charlie every time he's every
time he goes on this like grand standing, like pretentious,
like you know, speeches to his mom or even.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
To Katie, I'm like, well you stop talking.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
It just really really because you know, I don't know
if you remember this. I think I mentioned it like
way way way back when we first covered it, like
very first episode that Charlie Adelson used to.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
When he drove when he was not incarcerated.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
He drove a Ferrari with a vanity license plate and
the and the vanity license plate said, uh, maestro, do.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
You know I do not remember that?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
And you're just like, nobody gets a vanity license plate
on my show. He's just such a oh my gosh,
oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
He's in his mind he was untouchable.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yes, that's the only way that I can like see
it is like in his mind he was this untouchable
person the way and there's so many times like within
his conversations that it's the boys, the gringo, it's the you.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Know, oh I'm white, this that you know.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
And he just lived in this bubble of like security, oh.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
For sure, and anything.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
The man with money, he can get away with anything.
And this whole family kind of had that that thing.
And it's it's crazy because they played a lot of
conversations to between him and Donna where they're like talking
about Wendy and her love life and at this point
they really really.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
That was the other thing I had written down is.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
They they're not telling Wendy about this situation, the current situation,
and it seems like they had kept it from Harvey.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
The dad for a while too. They did eventually seem
like they.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Told Harvey, but for a while they were trying to
keep it from it. So but the more and more
that he talks to Donna, the more and more he
talks to his and says stuff, the more it just
seems to me, to me, allegedly, in my opinion, it
really implicates that she is a guilty party.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
And like I.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Said, like even if they want to try to say,
like she didn't know anything before, this just really shows
that even if you want to say she was a
party after the fact, even if you want to say
that like you know, okay, she didn't know anything before,
but she definitely at this point knows exactly what freaking happened,
and she is helping, you know, keep all of this
(20:35):
under wraps, and it's just absolutely ridiculous, and it's very clear,
Like it's very clear she knows exactly what's happening. See
with her, it's one of those things where yes, it
is clear, but at the same time, like Charlie, it
seemed like he was working whatever magic he had in
(20:57):
every single relationship and every single conversation, in every single
area of this. So I it's it's crazy because like
in today and in these conversations, I think less of
Donna as the matriarch mastermind and.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
More of the.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Believing in her little boy, and he's doing what he
wants to to keep this family together. You know. The
other thing that I felt at one point was I
know that yesterday or the day before, I don't remember
that I spoke on the fact that I thought, yeah,
(21:41):
two days ago when Jeff Lacouse went up and Katie
magdan while went up, that I felt that.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Wendy was one all knowing, knew.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Exactly what was going on, and in these conversations they
made me believe that sometimes she didn't. Yeah, and I'm
not I don't think that way right now, like with
the other conversations that happened, and I still firmly believe
that she was in the know of what was going on. Yeah,
But they truly, like with their conversations made me think
(22:18):
at certain points that I was like, Ooh, how much.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Did she know?
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Or ooh, how much was yeah, because the way they
talk about it, it's that it's like Wendy doesn't realize
she was given a second chance, and she's not like
blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Blah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I see your point, and I agree with I can
tell like I agree with you, because the way they
make a sound is as is as if she.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Like didn't even know.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
But they also like infantilize her a lot, as if
like she doesn't even know what's good for her, Like
they she doesn't even realize that the man she's dating
is perfect for her, like as if like she's not a.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
You know, a grown woman in another like you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
So it could just a little it's such a pope
teer situation though, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
It's like, Oh, she doesn't know what's good for her.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
It's like that's because you guys are trying to fucking
puppet your way into her life and and make that
thing that wasn't necessary.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Like that's crazy for sure. No, I totally agree. Yeah,
I think that's definitely a big part of it too.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
And I always and I've always wondered too if if
they just never told Wendy that, Like like I wonder
if they told Wendy like we're gonna have someone go
threaten Dan that if he doesn't like agree to it,
he's gonna get hurt. And like maybe she just didn't
know that they were, Like so do actually a question,
(23:43):
like a legit question from from me trying to understand
it's very clear that with or Donna, Charlie, Katie sick
for people are tapped. Yeah, they're being listened to. Yeah,
(24:05):
it was Wendy. First of all, I assumed she was.
I assume she and so therefore there is that part
of me that's like they weren't calling her every two seconds.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
They weren't comment out of it.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Yeah, And it's like so for me, even if there
was a conversation, I mean, obviously Charlie said some ship
that made people question things in the first place. I mean, oh, yeah,
you know what for your divorce gift, I'm gonna buy
you a TV. Yeah, it's cheaper than hiring a hitman.
It's clear that these conversations were had. But maybe that
(24:44):
is the thing. That's like they kept her in the
dark on certain things, and maybe she wasn't asad knowing.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
That's why I believe, Like I.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Think that's what you know. April asked us the other day,
like how much no she knew? And I thought about
it over and over and over. Yeah, that she knew enough,
she knew enough, and or she at least like but
did she know? That's what I'm trying to say, Heather,
(25:15):
let me ask you a question, Okay, And this might
ruin our lives. This might come back to us someday
and ruin our lives.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
That's all alleged.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Everyone that we speak about on this podcast is innocent
until proven guilty. Okay, that should cover us. So you
hear we both have brothers, mm hmm. You hear your
brother saying some stupid ass ship. People say stupid ass ship.
It's not okay, but some people say dumb stuff. She's
(25:45):
grown up with Charlie, she and and and it. To me,
from what I've heard, it doesn't seem like overnight he
was this dumb ass, right. It's like it was very
clear that this is the exactly yep. So you're used
to your brother being this way, making these comments, saying
stupid shit?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Do you report?
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Oh, my brother made a comment that it was cheaper
to buy a TV than hire a hitman, right, so
like in the beginning, do you report that? But then,
of course, like after everything happened, So, no, she doesn't.
It's clear she didn't, But like after everything happens, it's
like and you start putting two and two together, then
(26:32):
is it like, holy shit, this happened.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I remember my brother said this.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
This is what it's looking like?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
What do I do? You know?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
So it does, in a sense like make me think,
like is she more innocent than I thought three days ago?
And here's why I believe that she is not a
truly innocent party.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, allegedly all in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
M hm. She happened to ask Dan while she was
down in South Florida about schedule wise, schedule wise, are
you going to be you know, can I have the
boys this weekend? And is that not common that you're
(27:25):
not in a split marriage. I've been divorced the amount
of times that me and my ex husband had to
talk about you know, hey, are you going to be
around or are you gonna have her?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Am I going to have her? For sure?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Okay, double's advocate here, and it's it's not it's and
you're right. See, this is the thing. It's not just
one of these things. It's never just one thing, right,
It's the the combination of all of these things.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Because it's that it's the fact that she drove by
her old neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah, that's crazy, fucking police tape on the street where
her sons and her ex husband. And I'm so and
I'm really sorry because this is the things Even if
you fucking hate your ex husband, Yeah, your kids, your kids,
those that is.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
The father of your children.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
If you were clearly distraught when you found out your
ex husband had been shot, if you saw police tape
on the fucking street where your ex husband lived.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
I'm sorry. Why is your first call not to your
ex husband?
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Yeah, she didn't call the daycare to confirm that the
kids were there and safe.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
She didn't call Danny. She continued on her way to
her fucking.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Little lunch to uh lunch.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, get the fuck out of here, Wendy. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, if that didn't immediately put a pit in your stomach.
I hear helicopters around my neighborhood and I kind of
freaking out because my daughter's school is down the street.
I send tech messages or concerning things to people that
I know, and I love them, you know what I mean,
Like two friends that I oh, So I heard something
(29:15):
happened in your area. Are you guys good?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
And that's your children and your police tape on the
street where your kids were staying. No, And even if
you even if you had confirmed, let's say she had
confirmed that her kids were at daycare, that's still your
ex husband, the father of your children.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Wouldn't you want again here?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I'm gonna ask you this because you're right, I don't
know what it's like to be in a divorced colle
parenting relationship. If you've heard her news that there were
police tape on the street of your ex husband, the
father of your child, would you not fucking call him?
Of course I would call exactly exactly. And so that
(30:00):
the fact that so that the other thing and this
is and I bring up Jeff Lacasse and I tell
you that he's one of my favorite witnesses, but and
like maybe he's and and Jeff, he's a character, but
like his testimony to me is she's cut. Her behavior
towards him is so weird, it's so suspect.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
It just seems so odd.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, because because to me, it's one of those she's
at a point in her life where she's at this crossroads.
She has all this shit going on, and I mean,
we've had the theory that were.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
They trying to set up Jeff.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Right, So there's that portion of it, But there's also
the portion of, like if she was just in this
complete like mental distraught of like all of this is happening,
I don't know if I can keep you around, but
I kind of want you around, But I also don't
want you to be near me because I don't know
what's going on, so kick rocks, but also I need
someone who's there.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yeah, like it's all.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
That price, Like I get, yeah, but it's like the
timing of it is so fucking weird.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
And now that we've heard Rob say that she's straight.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Up live, I know, I know, yeah, yeah, and I'm not.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
And I should go back and double check the testimony
because I think they asked Rob about like the timing
of those text messages and stuff, like when did it
because I was like, well, maybe it was at a
time when she hadn't told her parents yet that she
was dating him or something like that, but at that
point he had met her kids, because didn't he sent
like the picture she sent she was about to go
on a trip with him. So I'm like, I'm sorry,
(31:35):
I don't think you go on a trip with him.
I don't think you introduce him to your kids and
do the whole thing if he hasn't met your parents yet,
especially for her, like for her family, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
So I'm like, why is she lying to her brother
about it?
Speaker 3 (31:50):
You know? And then they there's just too many coincidences
for her not to have been like in the know
in some way allegedly in my opinion, everybody on this
podcast is no. I totally, I totally see that. And
it's crazy to me how completely sideways this when because
(32:10):
today's Testamenty really had nothing to do with her, but
it's but it's it, but it does because like it's right,
like you're right, like I am. It is interesting that
they've kept Wendy completely out of it.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
But then you go back and like it is true
that they were.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Like they specifically said, like we don't we don't want
to tell Wendy any of this, and even in part
of it, they were like, we don't want to tell
Dad any of this until they did eventually tell excuse me,
tell Harvey like a little bit about it. But like
they I'm still curious as to what they told him though,
because it's like he you know, he skipped work because
(32:45):
he couldn't get out of bed and he was so
messed up from everything they say. I think Harvey didn't
know the whole truth about everything, and then they finally
came clean to him and he was like, oh my god, yeah,
oh my god. And I think that's the reason that
right now Donna is standing child and they haven't arrested Harvey. See,
(33:07):
but and and to me, part of it is like,
so what did they tell Harvey, because it's very clear
that they're keeping things from him, so like when they
told him something, was what they told him? Just the
fact that you know what they kind of brought the
first time around, of well Charlie first time around, of
(33:29):
we were being like blackmailed in a sense. And I
mentioned all of the struggles with exactly exactly because it
seems to me like, oh, I believe we could go.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Layers deep, for sure, layers deep on this. So it's
it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
I would be, I would be, I would pay good
money to be a fly on the wall because we
still do not know. I we still don't know the
conversation that happened between Charlie and his dad at that
restaurant because the audio was.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
So bad and then they got.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Paid and then like we don't We still don't really know,
So it's it's hard to say, but yeah, I don't
know how much they told his dad, or even if
they told the dad the whole truth, Like are they
even still lying to him to the things day and
to this day, I personally I believe it, that's possible.
(34:32):
He's sitting there wave in to them not knowing blood masks,
which is.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Like, it's very sad. It is very sad.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Yeah, but that just goes to show you. I mean,
he's been married to Donna for.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
How long literally dressed people. Man, who cares how long
they were married. I don't care about her.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
I'm just saying, you can never really trust anyone.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
That's what's so crazy. It is crazy. It is crazy.
It's it's.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
It's insane to know that today was literally all.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Phone calls, all phones, yes, pretty much. Yeah, and tomorrow
the text is gonna stay. Yeah, but I mean, yeah,
it was all it was. It was all phone calls. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
I'm interested to see what the defense will do on
the days because I was gonna say, so, what's his name,
what's the FBI's name again?
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Uh? Sanford? Sanford.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
So he he was on two days ago for like
half the day. He was on the entire day today,
at least half the day tomorrow, it's not more, depending
on how long the defense decides to cross. But you know,
the like the defense like there anytime they want to
refute something, they write down, like you said in your testimony, that.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
No, no, no, no, no, couldn't it have been? No, no, no,
no no.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
And I mean he's spent you know, two days on
the stand for for the prosecution.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
He could spend more.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Else had like I mean, no, no, cut it in half,
like so he could spend like half a day to
a day for cross. I was gonna say, if the
defense was doing any good.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, they're so disorganizing her so bad.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
If I was on the defense, it would be two
full days. But since I'm not, it's gonna be And
I'm wondering who's gonna do it. Is it gonna be
the dude or the lady because she's like somehow.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Worse, very true.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
So like I didn't fully watch the first day, and
the guy was on more the first day, and then
the second day was pretty much the girl.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
So it's like, yeah, going back and forth.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Yea, So we'll see and we don't hear from defense
at all today because it was only a prosecution and
she's quiet, you know, And this is kind of like a.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
This is just a little side note.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
But the prosecuting person.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
What's her name, Georgia something, Georgia god Well cares well
something like that. No, but it's okay. Her name is Georgia.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I truly appreciate someone when they're good at what they do,
and she really is. So what's the right word. I
don't want to call her monotone because that's not the
point I'm trying to like make right now. But it's
more of like a she's just matter of fact. She's
(37:51):
very just like here it is Capelman, there it is.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
She makes me.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Think of April in how she expresses what she's trying
to say, and it's just like, here are the details,
here are the fit, straightforward, there's stuff, and I love her.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I love it. I love it so much.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
It well and it's so funny because like it shit
doesn't phase her, like when she can't get a video
to work when an.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Audio on, Yes, that's why there's nothing. There's no emotion
at all.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
When Sandford was like, oh, I don't think there was,
and then she just goes, well, blah blah blah, and
he goes there.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Was, and then like, yeah, nothing fades her. She exactly
right along. She's like, look, I'm not gonna trip up.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Or when like the defense tries to object and then
like a lot of times, what they do is they'll
object over her question, so the jury can't even hear
the question or the response.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
She just sounds.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
The judge says, like, you know, overrolled, she'll just repeat herself. Yeah,
they'll hear the answer, and she just like shit doesn't
face her. She doesn't get like excitable, and it's it's
a perfect way to just make sure like the information
of and the facts is her and you're not going
to get a rise out of me. It's it's a
it's yeah, she doesn't like her job. Props to you,
(39:07):
George Jack for sure, I really really like her. All right,
So tomorrow we are looking at more from Sanford, hopefully
other people, but who knows. At this point, I mean
with thinking that this was only going to be two
weeks because Heather and I for everyone listening, Heather and
I have talked about the fact that guess what, in
(39:28):
seven days we will be at crime con and so therefore,
with us doing this coverage on the Donna Edolsen trial,
it's like, where do we stand when that time comes?
Are we going to be like sitting at the kickoff party, like,
hold on really quick, we need to go do this update.
So it's like I'm hoping that he doesn't have much
(39:50):
longer because we need to get on with it, you know,
I know, but I say, the biggest thing that I'm
hoping is that we next week early next week, I'm
guessing the state. I'm hoping the state will rest their case,
the defense will start their case. And I'm guessing because
I read somewhere I don't know, we'll see. Charlie Adelson
(40:15):
needs to get on the stand. I'm guessing Hill I
need to.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
I need to watch.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Charlie Adelson, And so I'm hoping he gets on early
the next week, tomorrow please. So yeah, well, we'll need
to see that. But if we you know, we fly
on Thursday for crime con and uh so we're gonna
do the best we can, y'all, but we're gonna see
(40:43):
what happens.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
And because the thing is Monday is a.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Federal holiday, they're not gonna have court. Yeah, so we're
gonna see how it goes next week. But we'll be
back tomorrow. We're gonna see what else the state brings.
And uh, we'll see tomorrow, Sucial Agent Sanford, Yes we will.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
I'm ready for more phone calls, and.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
I think he's about I mean, he is about wrapped up.
I think it's just a matter of cross so I
think he's over putting his glasses on, taking them.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
I know he's taking them off.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
I was like, lave him on, dude, Like, geez, he's
he needs the bivocals or something. It's crazy to me.
Why is that one of the most bizarre parts of
this entire thing?
Speaker 1 (41:34):
That's crazy?
Speaker 3 (41:36):
All Right?
Speaker 1 (41:37):
I love this, Heather.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
I love seeing your excitement on this conversation.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yeah, because it's it's it's it's wild for sure.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
It is. All right.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
We will talk to you guys tomorrow tomorrow at some point,
you know, and hopefully you guys are enjoying this coverage
on the Donna Aedelson file.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
So tomorrow we will talk to you guys literally tomorrow.
How many times do I need to say tom all right? Okay,
love you bye?
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Okay, I love you bye.
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