Mind Beyond Matter Part 5: Eyes Closed, Body Gone

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Have you ever wondered what happens when the mind sleeps
free from the body, when you're not dreaming but watching
yourself from somewhere about. Across centuries and continents, Miss six, monks,
and even scientists have all told stories of traveling beyond
the flesh, journeys through unsimblings, meetings with life versions that
feel more real than reality itself. From the Prophets ascent

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through the Seven Heavens, the Tibetan lamas, navigating the space
between lives, the called war experiments that try to measure
the soul. The human desire to leave the body was
never truly gone away. Tonight we mop the invisible, the
luminous silver cord, the astraplane, and the thin trembling line
between death and discovery. Because maybe the greatest mystery isn't

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where our body goes when we die, but where our
consciousness goes when it decides to wonder. This is episode
five of our miniseries Might Beyond Matter, Eyes Closed, Body, Gun,
projected Consciousness, and out of body Mysteries. I'm your host, Jane,
and this is the Little Weird Podcast. Human history is

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filled these stories of people who say they've left their bodies,
floating above hospital beds, walking and seeing through walls, or
traveling across worlds that shimer beyond our side. These moments,
known as out of body experiences or ubi's, deliberate astral
projections or AP, or precise remote viewings or RB, live

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on the edge between science and spirit. They don't just
challenge what we know about consciousness, take question whether consciousness
needs the body at all. In most spiritual traditions, these
experiences are not dismissed as triaks of the brain. They
are treated as proof glimpses of something larger that awareness

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itself can exist outside the flesh. Though often spoken of
in the same breath, UBI is A and RV occupy
different corners of the same strange map, and out of
body experience often happens without warning. A person may find
themselves watching over their own body from above during surgery, trauma,

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or near death, terrified yet oddly calm, as if their
awareness has an hooked itself for a moment. Astral projection,
on the other hand, is intentional. It belongs to the
language of mystics and occultists, who claim that with training
through breath, visualization or meditation, the astral body can be

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released at will to explore what they call the astral plane,
and like an obi it's a scale one cultivates that
an accident one survives. Then there is remote viewing, a
practice born not from monasteries or temples, but from Cold
War laboratories. It began as an attempt to see distant

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targets without leaving one's seat, to send consciousness out like
a radio signal and bring back data. Yet in spiritual
circles it became something else, entirely a modern form of
clairvoyant travel away to tap into the collective field of mind. Together,
this three form of continue of non physical experience, from

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the spontaneous to the discipline, from the mystical to the methodical,
all point toward one idea that awareness may not be
confined to the limits of the body. When people find
themselves outside their bodies, their first question is rarely scientific.
It's existential. What just happened to me? Some turn to
neuroscience for answers, others to faith. Those who choose the

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spiritual frame often describe the moment as proved that the
soul can leave the body. This interpretation doesn't just comfort,
it transforms many experiencers say that the event feels more
real than reality itself. The clarity, the stillness, the vast
sense of presence changes the world review entirely. For them.

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The experience isn't a hallucination, it's revelation. It confirms what
religions of whispered for centuries, that the self or something
like it can exist beyond flesh and brain. From this
conviction grows a belief in non local consciousness, the idea
that awareness is fundamental, independent of matter and connected to
something infinite. The story of out of body travels stretches

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far back to the Egyptians who described the ba bird
of the soul, the Greek's throut of dream journeys, and
the hindus Ages who thought that the self could move
freely between planes. Later, the Tibetan mystics, the Sufi saints,
and much later still the scientists of the twentieth century,
who tried to measure the unmeasurable. What change in modern

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times was method. Where Asian practitioners waited for divine grace,
modern seekers began developing repeatable techniques, step by step systems
for consciously entering the state. Organizations like the Monral Institute
created structured protocols and auditory tools designed to help the
mind slip free of the body. Technology had entered mysticisms workshop,

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but this shift also raised new questions. In many traditional fates,
the soul is meant to leave the body only once,
the notion of an astral self that wonders at will
and settles that theology. To some astral production looks less
like enlightenment and more like temptation, a shortcut that bypasses

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spiritual readiness. And yet for those who have crossed that
invisible boundary and return, the experience remains unforgettable, something between
science and prayer, a flitting glimpse of whatever it is
that weighs behind the veil. If consciousness can truly step
outside itself, how does it happen? Mystics say it begins

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it understanding the architecture of the soul, a layered map
of existence where body, mind, and spirit intertwined. Esoteric teachings
describe the human being as more than flesh and bone.
We are said to live inside several subtle bodies, arranged
like translucent layers around the physical form. The denses is

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the physical body. Surrounding it are the eic astral and
mental bodies, each vibrating at finer frequencies. The astral body,
sometimes called the spirit double, acts as the vehicle for
travel beyond the physical. It is through this form that
the consciousness wanders during astral projection are deep out of

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body states. Different traditions give it different names hah bah,
dream body, light body. Some mystics describe a thread or
current of energy connecting it to the physical form, a
reminder that even in flight, the soul remains that are
the life. In nearly every esoteric account there's mention of
aluminous silver cord filament of light linking the traveler's astral

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body to the one left behind. It is said to
stretch infinitely but never break until death. The chord is
the lifeline, the spiritual safety belt, the assurance that the
soul can always return. Interestingly, even the Bible contains imagery
that echoes this ancient idea. In English, Asces Chapter twelve,
verse six, we find the verse remember him before the

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silver chord is severed. Later mystics and scholars took this
as more than poetry. Medieval cabulists and Christian occultists read
it literally, interpreting the silver chord as the sutter between
body and soul, the very thread that preserves life itself. Others,
especially theologians, understood it metaphorically with the delicate connection between

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the material and the divine. Still within mystical thought, the
resonance is striking the same image as shining cord, linking
spirit and flesh, appears across cultures and centuries. When that
connection severs, the journey becomes final. In this view, that
itself is the ultimate projection, a one way passage from

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matter to spirit. The gradual loosening of the cord explains,
in mystical terms, the process of dying, a gentle unwinding
until the tetter snaps and the traveler does not return.
Those who claim to have projected describe entering around both
familiar and strange, a mirror world glowing with thought and emotion.
This is the astral plane, the landscape of dreams, visions,

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and spirit communication. It is said to overlap our world,
but vibrate at a higher frequency, populated by energies, symbols,
and beings born of consciousness itself. For mystics and seekers,
navigating this plane is not about spectacle. It's about learning
within these luminous spaces. One six healing inside, or what

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ancient texts called gnosis or direct knowledge of true Many
associate the astral realm with the Akashic records, a vast,
non physical library said to contain the story of every
soul tershiit is to read the blueprint of existence to
understand who we are, why we suffer, and how our

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choices peopled through lifetimes. In its highest expression, astral travel
is not escape, its revelation, the realization that the soul
and the divine are not separate, but reflections of one another. Interestingly,
the language you used today astro projection, astra self, astro
plane was shaped in the late nineteenth century by the

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Teosophical Society bostwriters sought to systemize these ancient ideas into
modern spiritual science. Yet the essence behind the terms is
far older, across centuries and cultures. The sambition perseis consciousness
as traveler, the universe's map, and the body a temporary
lodging on the way home. Across the world's great faiths,

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there runs a quiet versus idea that consciousness can leave
the body, sometimes to witness, sometimes to learn, sometimes to
meet the Divine. These moments of separation, whether they unfold
us out of body experiences or obis or near the
experiences or ndees, are rarely treated as accidents. In many traditions,

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there understood is sacred passages, gymses of truth that ordinary
site cannot bear in the heart of Islamic mysticism or
suphism lies alonging to purify the selp or taskia until
the heart reflects nothing but God through rhythmic remembrance or
the care, fasting and solitude sophistic a state called isan

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the awareness of standing in the presence of the Divine
at every moment. This part of inner accent nears. One
of the most extraordinary stories in Islam, the Isra and Miraj,
are the night journey and ascension of the prophet Muhammad.
According to tradition, the prophet was carried by the angel
Gibriel upon the luminous steed, rising through the seven heavens

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to behold God. Along the way, he saw paradise and
the fire, and met prophets who had come before him.
For sufis, the mirage is more than miracle its metaphor.
It is the soul's own clime through layers of illusion
toward Jruth. Each stage of remembrance or surrender mirrors one
of the prophet's celestial ascents. To leave the body in

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distance is not physical flight, but the unbinding of the ego,
until nothing remains between the seeker and the beloved. Far
from Arabia, in the snowy mountains of Tibet, another map
of consciousness takes form the bar the Tuddel, known to
the West as the Tibetan Book of the Dead. It
is a guide whispered into the ear of the dying,
teaching the soul how to recognize the light that appears

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the moment the body falls away. Tibetan Buddhism describes this
in stages called bardos, or in between states the Chicka Bardo,
the moment of death begins citidians of the clear light,
the pure awarenesce studies the true nature of mind. If
the dying recognize it, they awaken instantly. The ch need
Bardo fallows failed visions of peaceful and wrathful deities, reflections

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of one owns consciousness. To fear them is to fall.
To recognize them as one's own mind is to be liberated.
These teachings are not only for the dying. Practitioners whars
the bardoes through meditation and lucid awareness, training the mind
that take clear when ordinary reality dissolves. The message is simple,
yet profound. Liberation does not wait for death. It depends

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on recognition. Seeing through illusion here and now is the
same as passing safety through the bardes. Later, when researchers
began collecting near dead experiences, they notice something fascinating. Across continents,
people describe the same sensations, trifting above their bodies, entering
panels of light, feeling immense peace, but the scenery change
shade culture and faith investor accounts. Those in the tunnel

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often meet family members who have passed, familiar faces, sweeting
in radiant light, in thy reports shaped by buddies, and
in the beliefs, the newly departed are met by yamatots
or yamadutas, or the messengers of Yama, the lord of
the underworld, who escort the soul to its karmic Childgemen.
The Buddha might appear not as a person, but as

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a distant symbol of light. These differences reveal something essential,
but the experience of separation may be universal. The interpretation
is deeply human. Each person's vision is filtered through the language, imagery,
and expectations of their faith. The tunnel, the light, the guides.
Each culture paints its own version of the passage between worlds,

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from the sufis ascent through the heavens to the Tibetan
lama's journey through the birdos to the modern patient who
makes an operating table claiming to have seen the other side.
Every story speaks of the same mystery, consciousness, and bound
Whether their frame as divine gift, discipline, practice, or flitting
glimps of eternity, these experiences all whisper the same truth

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that perhaps what we call the soul does not end
at the edge of the body, and across religions, that
whisper has guided humanity for centuries the seek to remember
and to return with eyes newly open. For thousands of years,
the story of leaving the body belonged to mystics, saints, shamans, monks,
and prophets across unseen thresholds in moments of grace. But

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as humanity moved into the modern age, those same threasholds
began to call the new kinds of seekers no longer
cloistered in temples or caves. They were found in drawing rooms, laboratories,
and suburban basements, ordinary people reaching for extraordinary states. What
was once guided by prayer and actism became reimagined through philosophy, psychology,

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and even technology. By the nineteenth century, a quiet revolution
was steering. The ancient languages of sol traveled, once whispered
in Sanskrit, Arabic, an Tibetan, found new expressions in Western
terms like astro projection, out of body experience, and remote viewing.
Science and spirituality began to intertwine, and mysticism entered its

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most modern renaissance. As the nineteenth century gave way to
the twenty eeth, the Western world rediscovered its appetite for
the mystical. Astral production, out of body experiences and psychic
travel were reborn, not as old world superstitions, but as
from tiers of consciousness exploration. The New Age movement blended
ancient system with modern curiosity, turning meditation, metaphysics, and even

(15:32):
sound technology in the doorways to un seen realms. The
story begins in the late eighteen hundreds with Helena Blovatski
and the Teosophical Society Blovatski and her circle brought Eastern
spirituality to Western audiences, teaching of invisible planes of existence
layered around the material world. They spoke of subtle sheets, physical, etheric, astral,

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and mental, each housing a different vibration of being. It
was within these circles that the phrase astral projection was
first coined. Biosophies gathered travel accounts from mystics across cultures,
weaving them into one grand cosmology of the astro world,
aluminous in between realm populated by spirits, angels and the
disembodied consciousness of humanity. Writers like Charles Lee Bitter and

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Annie Besant expanded this vision. The Bitter taught clairvoyance and
astro travel as trainable skills. Besant wrote of the Akashic
records in Theosophy astro travel with more than adventure. It
was a spiritual research, a way to test the truths
of reincarnation, commune with higher beings, or even visit distant worlds.

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For late Victorian seekers, this merging of mysticism and protoscience
felt revolutionary. Theosophy offered a map of the unseen, a
way to prove, or at least to experience, that reality
extended far beyond matter, chump forward essentially, and the mystics
have microphones. In the nineteen fifties and sixties, Robert A. Monroe,

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a broadcasting executive, began to experience a spontaneous obeis. Fascinated,
he started experimenting with sound, particularly the effects of synchronized
frequencies and the brain. His experiments became the foundation of
a new discipline, applied consciousness research. Monuro chronicle histories in
books like Journeys Out of the Body in nineteen seventy one,

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where him mapps changed consistent locals beyond the physical world.
He described feeling connected to his saly being formed by
a silver cord, echoing the same imagery he found in
centuries of mystical literature. In nineteen seventy four, Monroe founded
the Monroe Institute, a non profit dedicated the studying and
teaching other states of awareness. Its technology, HEMISYNK, short for

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hemispheric synchronization, is precise datum binaural bits to guide listeners
into deep relaxation, the competed state of mind awake. Bodies
lived in this liminal zone, Practitioners spported sensations of floating
detachment and heightened intuition. Where ancient ugi once relied on
decades of asthetic training, Monroe offered a headset and a laboratory.

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Physical was democratic mysticism to make transcendent experience available to
anyone with curiosity and a pair of headphones. Then came
the Codor, a time when even governments began peering into
the invisible. At the Stanford Research Institute, physicists how put
Off and Russell targ working with clairvoyant Ingusman, explored whether

(18:27):
consciousness could perceive far of targets. They called it remote viewing,
a neutral scientific term for an ancient idea. The mind's
ability to see began space. The CIA's Targate project eventually closed.
The fascination never reviewed. Remote even entered the public imagination,
and the new age real quickly embraced it, not as espionage,

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but as modern sky workshops and online communities still teach
the skill the day. Blending meditation, intuition and focused visualization,
spiritual remote viewing is seen as confirmation that awareness is
non local, not drapped into the brain, but part of
a wider field of universal consciousness. The view is to

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tune into that shared frequency. To claims how Man and
cosmos intertwined. In metaphysical philosophy, this field of awareness is
often described as the acashic records from the Sanskrit Akasa,
meaning ether or sky. Think of it as the universe memory,
an energetic archive containing every thought, action, and event that

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has ever occurred. Ager Casey, the Slipping Profit claim to
enter this archive while in trance, retrieving information for healing
and spiritual insight. In the new age, red interpretation, remote viewing,
and astro projection begain ways to access this vast living database,
not just to gather facts, but to understand the source

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of Bluebrin first seekers, such journeys are not about proving
psychic ability. They're about awakening the deeper aim is gnoses
or direct knowing. Those who claim to touch this field
often return with a renewed sense of compassion, purpose, and
unity with the divine. What began as a government experiment
game for many a form of modern mysticism. By the

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nineteen sixties and seventies, bookstores overflowed with manuals on leaving
the body. Features like William Bullman, Sylvian Muldon, and Robert
Bruce popularized simple methods visualizing a rope and climbing out,
ruling from one sleeping form, or using crystals, incense, or
binural bits to shift awareness. Neopagan and weakend circles adopted

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astroverb io practitioners built astral temples where common members could
meet in subtle form. Gaius magicians use projection siezeals, while
ceremonial magicians fitted astyl travel as a right of initiation.
Protective rittoles in booking, light prayer archangels became common, echoing

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the older understanding that the end scenreals hold both guidance
and danger. In spiritualist churches, psychic development circles met with
it the practice traveling clairvoyance. A medium might describe as
sitters whom miles away, or read the colors of a
client's are. Figures like Andrew Jacques Davis and Edgar Casey

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blurred the lines between healing prophecy and astral exploration, suggesting
that perhaps the mind, once free, could roam anywhere it will. Today,
the journey continues not in secret lodges, but on screens,
online communities, swap astral travel stories, apps, extreme guided projections.

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Virtual reality had set attempt to mimic the sensation of
leaving the bud. A modern practitioner might combine iosca ridles
from the Amazon, chakhra meditation from India, and moneral sound technology,
creating an eclectic, globalized approach to consciousness. Exploration is skepticism perceists.
Of course, science still has no instrument to measure a

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wandering soul. Yet for believers that hardly matters. The experiences
feel undeniably real, bb transformative, and often life changing. Many
describe returning from these dates in their fear of death
gun replaced by oh. Perhaps that's the quiet power behind
all of this, Whether through ancient chants or binaural tones,

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sacred texts, or online forums, it's the same old human
impulse to prove that our minds are more than matter,
that awareness itself is boundless, curious and averaging power the light.
For centuries, people have spoken of journeys beyond the body
as mystics, seekers or scientists of the soul. But as
these experiences enter the modern era, they also enter debate.

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What do they mean? Are they glimpses of another world
or echoes of the brain and their stress. The conversation
slowly shifted from how people left their bodies to what
that departure might prove. This is where spirituality meets philosophy
and where personal revelation begins to challenge the foundations of
science itself. Out of body experiences and near that encounters

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are not only mystical curiosities, they become central to one
of the oldest human questions. Thus consciousness survived that For
philosophers and theologians alike, these moments of separation are seen
as more than visions. They are evidence. They hint that
the mind may outlive the brain and that the story
of the self might continue even after the heart it stops.

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Those who advocate the survival hypothesis to believe that consciousness
perses beyond physical death often turn to obis and and
these as their strongest proof. They argue that these events
reveal non local consciousness, awareness that operates independently of the brain.
The most striking cases involved what researchers call veridical perception moments,

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when people accurately describe events around them while clinically unconscious.
A patient might recall the sound of instruments clattering, or
describe assertion flapping his elbows like wings while giving directions.
Details later confirmed to be true even though the patient's
eag he had flatline such rounds if they can at

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face value upon a core assumption of neuroscience, the consciousness
is generated by the brain. If awareness can perceive when
the brain is offline, then perhaps consciousness is not in
the brain at all, but merely linked with it. The
believers this is not philosophy, it's confirmation. If the mind
can observe where the body lies still, then the soul

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or whatever we call it, may indeed survive death. Even
within spirituality, not everyone agrees on what leaves the body.
Different traditions draw delicate lines between the soul, the spirit,
and the astral self. In orthodox religion, the soulce true
departure belongs only to death, the sacred moment when the
eternal cell moves beyond earthly existence t US. The astral

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body described in esoteric and occult traditions is seen as
a temporary vessel, a traveler that can wonder but must
always return. This theological distinction explains why voluntary astra projection
has often been met with caution. Some view it as
a spiritual overach and act that resolution or even deception

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is spontaneous near that experiences. However, are treated differently because
they occur without seeking, often in moments of trauma or surrendered.
They're viewed as genuine glimpses of divine truth, accidents of grease,
rather than experiments of will. Across faiths, the pattern remains
what comes unbidden, feels sacred? What if someone feels suspect?

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The difference perhaps lies not what is seen, but in
why one seeks to see it. The question of spirit
doesn't just challenge theology. It also exposes the limits of science,
for all its instruments and data. Modern ur science has
no tool the measured consciousness itself. That alone, it's possible survival.

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As one researcher once put it, you can observe the brain,
but not the mind that's watching. Advocates of non local
consciousness argue that science may be using their wrong lens altogether.
Where Western medicine treads the mind, body, and spirit separate,
traditions like Chinese, Hindu, and indigenous medicine see them as

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one continuous flow of energy. By that logic, consciousness is
not confined. It permeates, and our inability to measure it
says more about our instruments than about the phenomenon. It self.
This tension between measurable fact and mystical conviction is where
philosophy now stands. Perhaps the law that governs the spirit

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simply haven't yet been written, or perhaps they exist outside
the reach of any microscope, waiting to be experienced. Rather
than proved. Astral projection, out of body experience, remote viewing.
Across names and sent tre is, they all echoed the
same longing, the human desire to step beyond the veil
of flesh and see what lies beyond. In one sense,

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this quest is epistemological, a search for knowledge that reason
alone get rich. In another, it's theological. I need to
knowity and do it. Whether explored through ancient scriptures or
modern sound frequencies, through mysticism or medicine, the question remains unchanged.
What are we when we are no longer a body?

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And perhaps in every story of leaving the body, from
profits to scientists, from amongst the astronauts of the mind,
humanity is not escaping life, but simply learning to see
it more completely. I was in my secondary of high
school when I first stumbled upon the words astra projection,
remote viewing, and by location. Back then, the idea that

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the mind could lead. The body completely took over me.
It became more than curiosity, it was an obsession. I
spent hours online searching for metods and how the guides.
I learned about the supposed to interest too, but being
young and furious, I didn't really care. I just wanted
to see to travel anywhere in the room without ever
living my room. So I tried. I remember lying down,

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visualizing a cloud above me, imagining a silver cord connected
to my navel. I tried to relax my body until
I could no longer feel it. There was another method
involving flowers and candles, and I don't exactly remember how
it was now, but you were supposed to hold the
objects first, like smell them and litter while lying still,

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replace your steps in memory like the texture, remember the send,
recall the weight of each item. Then there was even
one where you mentally how four musical notes rising from
low to high until your awareness lifted. I also tried
the metals we mentioned before, about visualizing a rope and

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climbing out, and also rolling from once sleeping, but none
of them work. And maybe that is for the best,
because and I think about it now, about what it
really means to leave the body. It doesn't sound so
thrilling anymore. What would you encounter out there, and more importantly,
would you find your way back? What if the experience

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hasn't as clean as the guys made it sound. What
if it left something behind in your mind or your
spirit or something else, just like in the TV series
Behind Her Eyes. At that age, I only want an adventure.
But now I think there are some doors that are
not meant to be opened easily, or to be opened
at all. Some mysteries are beautiful precisely because theory mean unproven,

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like distant stars meant to be admired, not touched. If
I were given the chance that they to achieved a
successful astro projection, I'd probably pass. I'm not of brieve anymore.
Or maybe I've just grown to respect the boundaries that
separate worlds. After all, Not every journey is meant to
be taken, Not every mystery needs solving. Some are simply

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meant to remind us how vast is strange and sacred
existence truly is. So that's it for the fifth episode
in our mini series Mind Beyond Matter. We're down to
the last two episodes. Hey, if you haven't listened to
the previous ones. You can find the links in the
show notes or just scroll down to the earlier episodes.

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stuff waiting for you there in the coffee shop. As always,
all the links are in the show notes. Next episode
will finally dive into the idea that started this entire

(30:45):
mini series. Episode six, The mind that made isself topa
platforms and believe may be this is very it all began,
this change case of minds creating minds. Our told the
psychological tricks or something much older and deeper. Until next episode,
Stay curious, stay grounded, and remember mine can travel far,

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but it's the heart that keeps a statter tule. Thanks
for listening.

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