December 17, 2024 • 9 mins
WIMA's Political Analyst, Ben Rose joined Todd Walker on the Tuesday edition of "Lima's Morning News" to discuss lame duck session activity in Ohio and Presidential transitions.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Time to check in with our political analyst, Ben Rose.
Of course, we're in the last what two or three
weeks of the year, so the General Assembly is in
a lame duck session as we call it, after the election,
before the installation of all the new members of the
General Assembly, some of them of course, repeat members. Nonetheless, Ben,
(00:22):
sometimes bills go to die in the lame duck session.
Other times things are brought up to maybe try to
slip them in under the radar, so to speak. And
I guess you have something that they're working on right now. Right.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Lame ducks are interesting animals, and they require on the
part of the public, on the part of legislators themselves,
and on the part of news organizations, intense attention. There's
a bill dumb the Parents' Rights involving public school, which
(01:03):
deals with students receiving education that their parents might not like,
and that the parents ought to be notified that sex
education mainly, and the students who are having conselting problems
that parents should be notified of that. And finally that
(01:23):
students who want to participate in some kind of religious
education could be excused during school time for a limited
period of time to go out and get religious education.
What's happening is there are fans where students can go
outside the school property and in some cases actual schoolhouse
(01:47):
facilities outside the property and not own but the school
district where students can go for some religious education. There
are differences in the House and Senate, but the outgoing
House speaker does not think that students should be released
from school. But it's a serious issue. But there are
also issues of separation of religion and education the raised
(02:15):
constitutional issues, and so we're going to see how that
works out. There's another one that is a fascinating story.
Who representing Blessing from the Cincinnati area. A Republican has
come up with a concept increasing the size of the
House and sent taking the cent to fifty one from
(02:36):
its thirty three districts and taking the house from ninety
nine up to an increase of over one hundred. And
the idea behind this is it's is you would make
smaller districts which would be cheaper to run in, where
the name idea of local candidates would be higher and
(02:56):
would not require expenditures of thousands of dollars, and where
the interests of the people would be more clearly In
one area. He thinks that this would on its own
mathematically create more competitive districts. He's got some support from
(03:17):
both Democrats and Republicans, and we'll see what happens. It's
a little late in the session for such a serious proposal,
so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Ben, what's your thoughts on the idea that that would
be helpful in any way.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I think that it would clearly reduce the cost of
running for the state legislature. What's happening now is that
in some of these center districts you're seeing the kind
of costs that you see in congressional races, and that
makes it harder for parties to challenge one another and
(03:56):
makes it harder for individuals to get elected. It probably
creates more real contact between the people and the representative
who's representative. On the other hand, it would increase the
cost of operating a legislature considerably.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
One other thing to talk about, Ben, of course, speaking
of Lame Doc, we are also in a presidential transition here,
and you were at one time part of an administration.
You were part of a transition time where I think
there was George hw Bush to Bill Clinton. Right, what
you had an experience there.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Well, I was in the Navy Department at that point,
and I was a principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of the
Navy for Installations and Environment, and that did not require
a approval, but it was one of the higher appointing positions.
And it became really apparent and President George H. W.
(04:58):
Bush was going to lose the election mainly on the
basis of the economy, despite his success in the Gulf
War and his high approval ry earlier in his term.
And the Secretary of Defense, Dick Cheney, scheduled a meeting
a couple of weeks before the election for the day
after the election for all the people that had been
(05:20):
confirmed by a Senate vote in Defense Department positions. So
me was hendld on the morning after the election, and
the publicans entered the Secretary's office with long faces and disappointment,
and Dick Cheney said to his assembled people, and I've
(05:41):
verified this by talking to the former sectory in the
eighty at the time and to the assistant sectory in
eighty that I've reported to, And essentially he says, now
it's clear that Bill Clinton won the election last night.
Is there anybody that doesn't understand, And there was some
(06:02):
nervous laughter, and then Cheney, with a little bit of anger, says, no,
I'm really serious. Is there anybody that doesn't understand that
Bill Clinton is going to be President of the United
States and it's our job to run a good transition.
Cheney had a really good background, and as he had
been the chief of staff or President Ford when Ford
(06:25):
was defeated by Jimmy Carter, and the transition was noted
by Democrats and Republicans and by students of the presidency
is being one of the great transitions, the most effective
transition that had occurred in a long time. It created
a bond between two people that didn't agree about policy,
(06:48):
President Ford and President Carter, and they worked together on
a number of non partisan humanitarian issues in the retirement,
and pick Cheney was white the praise for the role
he played in that effort. And here he was and
now in a different position, and he says, now, look,
here's what we got to do. We want to help
(07:11):
these people. We don't want to sabotage them. So help
them in every way you can to understand what the
issues are and what you've learned, and how the defense
department is organized. Secondly, understand the political good manners require
us to leave on an inauguration day. And there's nothing
(07:33):
more pathetic than a political appointing who have done a
darn thing during the whole time that he's been in office,
trying to save the world after the election, Just help
these people and don't sabotage them, and understand that we're
walking out on the day after the election, on the
(07:54):
day of the inauguration, and which is what we did.
And the only criticism we got from the Democrats was
that they want a number of us to stay for
two or three months, Well, they can make the transition.
And our response was, we've gotten acting people that are
our career employees that know what they're doing, and they
(08:14):
can handle these issues for the short term. And that
was in stark contrast to what happened later on when
George W. Bush came in and the outgoing people in
the Bill Clinton and literally sabitize computers in the West
wing and made a nightmare for the incoming Republicans. So
(08:38):
we've seen both sides of it, and both parties at
one time or another doing better than we've seen in
this recent transition. The one we have now is kind
of interesting in that President Trump seems to want to
take advantage of the resources of the federal government and
in vetting his nominees and getting all the help that
(09:00):
they can get. On the other hand, the Democrats have said, yes,
you won the election, which is a plus, and we're
here to help you. But it's really become very politicized
and it's not turned out to be a smooth transition.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
That's our political analyst, Ben Rose. Ben always appreciate you
checking in.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Thank you
Time to check in with our political analyst, Ben Rose.
Of course, we're in the last what two or three
weeks of the year, so the General Assembly is in
a lame duck session as we call it, after the election,
before the installation of all the new members of the
General Assembly, some of them of course, repeat members. Nonetheless, Ben,
(00:22):
sometimes bills go to die in the lame duck session.
Other times things are brought up to maybe try to
slip them in under the radar, so to speak. And
I guess you have something that they're working on right now. Right.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Lame ducks are interesting animals, and they require on the
part of the public, on the part of legislators themselves,
and on the part of news organizations, intense attention. There's
a bill dumb the Parents' Rights involving public school, which
(01:03):
deals with students receiving education that their parents might not like,
and that the parents ought to be notified that sex
education mainly, and the students who are having conselting problems
that parents should be notified of that. And finally that
(01:23):
students who want to participate in some kind of religious
education could be excused during school time for a limited
period of time to go out and get religious education.
What's happening is there are fans where students can go
outside the school property and in some cases actual schoolhouse
(01:47):
facilities outside the property and not own but the school
district where students can go for some religious education. There
are differences in the House and Senate, but the outgoing
House speaker does not think that students should be released
from school. But it's a serious issue. But there are
also issues of separation of religion and education the raised
(02:15):
constitutional issues, and so we're going to see how that
works out. There's another one that is a fascinating story.
Who representing Blessing from the Cincinnati area. A Republican has
come up with a concept increasing the size of the
House and sent taking the cent to fifty one from
(02:36):
its thirty three districts and taking the house from ninety
nine up to an increase of over one hundred. And
the idea behind this is it's is you would make
smaller districts which would be cheaper to run in, where
the name idea of local candidates would be higher and
(02:56):
would not require expenditures of thousands of dollars, and where
the interests of the people would be more clearly In
one area. He thinks that this would on its own
mathematically create more competitive districts. He's got some support from
(03:17):
both Democrats and Republicans, and we'll see what happens. It's
a little late in the session for such a serious proposal,
so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Ben, what's your thoughts on the idea that that would
be helpful in any way.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I think that it would clearly reduce the cost of
running for the state legislature. What's happening now is that
in some of these center districts you're seeing the kind
of costs that you see in congressional races, and that
makes it harder for parties to challenge one another and
(03:56):
makes it harder for individuals to get elected. It probably
creates more real contact between the people and the representative
who's representative. On the other hand, it would increase the
cost of operating a legislature considerably.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
One other thing to talk about, Ben, of course, speaking
of Lame Doc, we are also in a presidential transition here,
and you were at one time part of an administration.
You were part of a transition time where I think
there was George hw Bush to Bill Clinton. Right, what
you had an experience there.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Well, I was in the Navy Department at that point,
and I was a principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of the
Navy for Installations and Environment, and that did not require
a approval, but it was one of the higher appointing positions.
And it became really apparent and President George H. W.
(04:58):
Bush was going to lose the election mainly on the
basis of the economy, despite his success in the Gulf
War and his high approval ry earlier in his term.
And the Secretary of Defense, Dick Cheney, scheduled a meeting
a couple of weeks before the election for the day
after the election for all the people that had been
(05:20):
confirmed by a Senate vote in Defense Department positions. So
me was hendld on the morning after the election, and
the publicans entered the Secretary's office with long faces and disappointment,
and Dick Cheney said to his assembled people, and I've
(05:41):
verified this by talking to the former sectory in the
eighty at the time and to the assistant sectory in
eighty that I've reported to, And essentially he says, now
it's clear that Bill Clinton won the election last night.
Is there anybody that doesn't understand, And there was some
(06:02):
nervous laughter, and then Cheney, with a little bit of anger, says, no,
I'm really serious. Is there anybody that doesn't understand that
Bill Clinton is going to be President of the United
States and it's our job to run a good transition.
Cheney had a really good background, and as he had
been the chief of staff or President Ford when Ford
(06:25):
was defeated by Jimmy Carter, and the transition was noted
by Democrats and Republicans and by students of the presidency
is being one of the great transitions, the most effective
transition that had occurred in a long time. It created
a bond between two people that didn't agree about policy,
(06:48):
President Ford and President Carter, and they worked together on
a number of non partisan humanitarian issues in the retirement,
and pick Cheney was white the praise for the role
he played in that effort. And here he was and
now in a different position, and he says, now, look,
here's what we got to do. We want to help
(07:11):
these people. We don't want to sabotage them. So help
them in every way you can to understand what the
issues are and what you've learned, and how the defense
department is organized. Secondly, understand the political good manners require
us to leave on an inauguration day. And there's nothing
(07:33):
more pathetic than a political appointing who have done a
darn thing during the whole time that he's been in office,
trying to save the world after the election, Just help
these people and don't sabotage them, and understand that we're
walking out on the day after the election, on the
(07:54):
day of the inauguration, and which is what we did.
And the only criticism we got from the Democrats was
that they want a number of us to stay for
two or three months, Well, they can make the transition.
And our response was, we've gotten acting people that are
our career employees that know what they're doing, and they
(08:14):
can handle these issues for the short term. And that
was in stark contrast to what happened later on when
George W. Bush came in and the outgoing people in
the Bill Clinton and literally sabitize computers in the West
wing and made a nightmare for the incoming Republicans. So
(08:38):
we've seen both sides of it, and both parties at
one time or another doing better than we've seen in
this recent transition. The one we have now is kind
of interesting in that President Trump seems to want to
take advantage of the resources of the federal government and
in vetting his nominees and getting all the help that
(09:00):
they can get. On the other hand, the Democrats have said, yes,
you won the election, which is a plus, and we're
here to help you. But it's really become very politicized
and it's not turned out to be a smooth transition.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
That's our political analyst, Ben Rose. Ben always appreciate you
checking in.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Thank you
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