October 15, 2025 • 40 mins
How do tough lessons become your greatest leadership assets and fuel lasting growth?
Jon Goehring, Coach Jim Johnson, and Dr. Rehnuma Karim welcome Gary Daly — global entrepreneur, author of Built by Lessons, and advocate of personal development through authentic experience — for a wide-ranging discussion on transforming challenges into triumphs.
Gary shares his unique journey from sales novice to seasoned leader, including his transformative experience training with Wim Hof and learning the power of breath and mindset.
Drawing from decades of cross-cultural living and leadership, he unpacks:
Check out Gary's Book, Built By Lessons:
https://www.amazon.com/Built-Lessons-Turn-Challenges-Triumphs/dp/B0DW8V9CJY/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2AOD30DG
Jon Goehring, Coach Jim Johnson, and Dr. Rehnuma Karim welcome Gary Daly — global entrepreneur, author of Built by Lessons, and advocate of personal development through authentic experience — for a wide-ranging discussion on transforming challenges into triumphs.
Gary shares his unique journey from sales novice to seasoned leader, including his transformative experience training with Wim Hof and learning the power of breath and mindset.
Drawing from decades of cross-cultural living and leadership, he unpacks:
- How embracing discomfort and surrender leads to flow and growth
- The science and practice of breathwork to regulate emotion and boost resilience
- Storytelling’s power to connect, inspire, and pass down legacy
- Overcoming fears in public speaking and mastering authentic communication
- Navigating cultural diversity and adaptability in leadership around the globe
- Lessons learned from early career setbacks, risk-taking, and mentorship
- Recommended foundational leaders and books for personal and professional growth
Check out Gary's Book, Built By Lessons:
https://www.amazon.com/Built-Lessons-Turn-Challenges-Triumphs/dp/B0DW8V9CJY/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2AOD30DG
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Speaker 3 (00:13):
We really like patience, like you're just accepting the process.
There's no good or there's no bad. It just is
And ultimately, if you surrender to it, you're not pushing
against something, You're just you're in flow.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Do you want to be a leader in a constantly
changing world? Our emerging leaders look different, come from various
backgrounds and from all different age groups. Leadership is changing
and it's hard.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
To keep up.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
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Speaker 5 (01:10):
I'm really excited for today's conversation. It's another try generational
conversation for you, the emerging leader, because we have three
generations representative here. I'm John Kering, you're doctor Ian mccareham,
and the coach Jim Johnson, and we love to bring
on guests to help you, the young and emerging leaders
in different areas of your leadership journey. When you're just
starting out or if you've been doing it for years,
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it's never too late to continue your learning journey when
it comes to leadership. So let's dive right in today. Coach,
you have brought along yet another great guest, So let's
introduce Gary and get our conversation going.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
Yeah, it's our first guest from Dubai. So Gary, we're
excited to have you. I got a chance to have
a zoom call before we did this interview, and so
I'm just gonna share a little bio. He's got a
lot of great things, but he says, I'm Irish and
I'm a twin. He spent the last fifteen years working
in tech sales across three continents Sydney, London, Galway and
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now he lives in Dubai along the way he's grown
up professionally but also personally. He's deeply passionate about personal development,
public speaking, meditation, football and fitness. And I think the
football is actually in our country would be called soccer.
So I just want to clarify it for our audience here,
and this is going to I'm going definitely ask about
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this because I have heard of this gentleman something slightly
out of the ordinary. He once climbed a mountain in
Poland in sub zero temperatures wearing only shorts. That was
with wind Hoff, which I'm very familiar with Wind's work.
In twenty twenty, his personal growth journey has led him
to write a book, and it's called Built by Lessons,
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Turn Your Challenges into Your Triumphs. It's a reflection of
the ups and downs, the mentors and moments of clarity
and hard earned insights that have helped shaped who he is.
He wrote it for anyone feels stuck, uncertain, or just
ready to grow. It's a book I wish I had
in my twenties. He currently now has probably worked at
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Cisco since two twenty fourteen. He also does some personal
and business coaching and without a further ado, Gary welcome
to the Limitless Leadership lunch.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Oh, thank you so much. It's great to be here,
and I love the diversity of the group as well,
so I'm excited to chat to you all.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Actually, we brand ourselves as try generational and I hate
to say this, Gary, but I am the old one
of the three. But I got to ask you right
away because I've heard whim a few times on various
podcasts interviews, and I've studied a little bit of his work.
I do, I'm not I don't know a lot about it,
but you've got to tell us a story about that
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journey on the mountain in shorts and what you learned
from that.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah. Absolutely. So his name is Wim Hoff, So if
you haven't heard of him, google him. So long story short,
he basically would setting sort of world records for the
longest saturation and essentially like an ice and he climbed
Everest in shorts and he was healing his immune system.
So how I found him was quite interesting. So I
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actually came back and landed and to London on a
plane from Vegas and my back.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Seemed to have a serious issue.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
So it turns out I had a slip disc and
then I went to a couple of physios, and no
one was really finding the root cause. And then there
was one physio who was very much focused on like breathing,
and he was saying that I was very tense up
all the time. So he then asked me, like, had
I heard it of wim Hoff And I said, vaguely,
I've read about him, and he said he changed my
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whole practice. So that got the light bulbs at a
moment going off of my head, and basically I then
googled a seminar with him. He was in London, where
I was living at the time. I went to this
seminar and it said basically, bring yoga shorts or yoga
mass and shorts and that's all you need. And I
was very intrigued by that. So he taught us how
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to breathe, which was healing your immune system. And then
when you learned how to breathe, he brought us into
the ice water for two minutes, and it was the
coldest thing I've ever been in, but he got us
to bring our breath back and then you didn't even
realize you're in the ice bat you were just you
were nowhere, and it was really nice. Then I went
to Poland after doing another sort of retreat in Ireland,
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and that was amazing. We learned more breathing techniques, went
into the ice cold water for ten minutes in Poland,
which was phenomenal, met amazing people, and at the end
we climbed the mountain with him in nothing but short
and a backpack, and that was pretty surreal because it
was like a silent retreat almost in terms of a
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walk up the mountain, and there was at one stage
at the top of the mountain someone had to move
their car another say Polish couple because there's like restaurants
at the top of the mountain. All of our group
had to stop and then we suddenly realized, oh my god,
it's absolutely freezing. But we were just so focused on
the mission and our breath that we didn't realize. And
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it's even brought like profound things into how I work
and how I deal with pressure as well. So that's
just a highlight reel.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
I don't I get delve in one thing because I've
started to study and I do some various breathing techniques,
so certainly we can't go through all that, but I
know my co hosts have a lot of questions for
you as well, But I do got to delve in this.
Can you share just because we want to help young
and emerging leaders And usually when you get into leadership,
you have a lot of stress on you and it's
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something that I think is getting bigger, but it's something
still not taught that much as far as using proper breathing.
So can you give us one that maybe you learned
that you could help a young leader that's really stressed with.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And by the way, there's loads
of different methods. This is called the whim half method,
but there's box breathing, all those different things. But in
the morning, I get up and I'll do It's basically
like thirty breaths in and out, and you're breathing from
your belly. So when you're breathing in, your belly's gone up,
and you breathe out, your belly's gone down, and the
focus is more you inhale, but then the exhale is
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a lot more a lot more focus on the excel,
so you're almost like breathing out the pressure. And then
at the end of the thirty bread you hold it
and you hold for as long as you can, and
then you release, and you do three rounds of this
and I sometimes see lights colors, and I just feel
like a lot of gratitude from it now transparently some
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people they might release it could have whatever's inside you
with releases it, so to speak. And I do think
there's definitely and sport for an example, before Ornaldo will
take a free kick, you see the breathing, the bread out,
and I think even in a work situation, I'll give
you a very quick example. Someone spilt coffee or it
could have been me, we still don't know, over my
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laptop at an event and someone said to me like,
how are you not freaking out right now? And I
genuinely think it was because of the breathing and because
I have surrendered into the process, and I found that
it was really helpful to me, and I'm sure it'll
be helpful to younger people because I wish I was
in that mindset when I was younger.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
I just had a clarvey. I'm sorry, Ruman. Just is
when you say exhale, are you exhaling from your mouth
or from your nose?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Very good point, Jess, Why will typically breathe in from
my nose and then exhale with the mouth. Yeah, but
I think either is fine, wim Hoff said, either way,
it's fine, but typically you'll breathe out with the mouth
because you'll get the most oxygen out. I guess, okay.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah, And I think we need this breathing practice nowadays
more than ever because so many stress factors just sitting
in our computer table or so many other things that
are challenging us.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
All the time.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
We have so many tension points in our shoulder back
all the time. So I think this breathing technique really
helps because I've been practicing that a little bit and
it really lets all the stress points a little bit
losing up. So thank you so much for sharing that
needed that one. Just piggybacking on your experience with climbing
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and climbing the mountain, I could feel like once I've
when I started climbing, like trekking through the Colorado Mountain,
when the breathing got heavier because I did not carry
any oxygen mask or anything like that. But going to
that top, there are so many challenges that you have
to internal challenges that you can experience. Oh, should I
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be going, should I feel like cold or this or that.
So what are like some of the challenges or what
are some of the life lessons do you think climbing
can give us? And it could be some of the
leadership metaphors like from climbing the hill, because we often
use these metaphors like it's like climbing the hill, the
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destination is there, but you.
Speaker 7 (09:47):
Would like to give up before going to the top.
What keeps you going?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
So any ide lessons that you have learned from climbing
that you can also translate into your leadership skills.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, really good question. So I think a lot of
it is mindset and all honesty. And just to give
you a bit of context, like we were there for
five days and before we climb the mountain, we had
be gone into like ice cold water, and like you
didn't really believe you were going to go into that
and survive it. And whenever we went into that ice
cold water, you're basically it's like a metaphor for stress,
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Like it's you're going into a stressful situation and everything
is coming up, but you have to just completely focus
on your breath so that you're getting rid of everything
else and then eventually you realize like okay, everything is good, ungrateful,
all of that different stuff. And wim Hoff said to us,
like maybe the day before the mountain, he said, you
guys have already climbed the mountain, like you've already done it,
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like tomorrow is just the actual reality of doing it.
As corny and all as that sounds like, it is,
it's all a mental game.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
It's in your head.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And like for me, when I was climbing that mountain,
I was totally focused on gratitude, and I was looking
around at my colleagues who became really good friends with
and if there was a little moment of struggle, just
like when we're in the water, you'd look at someone
and you'd know like they got your back.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
So for me, that was probably the key.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
So the trust, a trust from your companions, trusting the environment.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
That is important.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
And you are talking about adaptability also like sudden change
and adaptation, so you have to be resilient, so all
these elements. It is so fascinating that you can touch
down so many points of leadership just through this climbing experience.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yes, surrender, I think is the key word. And it's
like when I'm in Ireland, I love good into the
ice cold water that we have in Ireland. And someone
said it to me, like, you're basically surrendering. Wim Hoff said, surrendering,
And then another person who coaches me said, surrenders really
like patience, like you're just accepting the process.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
There's no good or there's no bad.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
It just is And ultimately, if you surrender to it,
you're not pushing against something.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
You're just you're in flow. Stay it almost.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Yeah, the cold is a really fascinating topic to me
because I know a lot of people are trying to
They're not climbing Everson Shorts, but they're trying to replicate
that in their own ways with little home ways of
doing that, which might be ice back or even an
ice shower something like that. Could you talk a little
bit about the benefits of that, because you referenced earlier
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how it forces you to focus on your breath. Would
you recommend even if somebody doesn't have the opportunity to
climb Everston Shorts, what they can do instead to achieve
the same results.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah, it's one hundred percent. And just for context, like
I climbed its amount called Mount Nezie, which is between
Poland and the Czech Republic, so wim Hoff was the
one who climbed Everes, so I definitely. But for me,
when I started off, even going back to the retreat
that I did in London, I made a commitment and
I gamified the experience to say a WhatsApp group of
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my friends, I said I'm going to do a coal
shower every day. And this was like twenty eighteen and
I committed to it. And I remember I went to
a wedding in Ireland and then I was waking up
that morning catching a flight and I said, okay, this
was actually the first David that I committed to it,
so I had to do it. And this was in
Ireland and I may have been like winter, and I
had an ice cold shower at the end of my
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sort of lukewarm shower. Right, you'll just turn the knob
for the last maybe thirty seconds or one minute and
then just completely focus on your breathing. And I found
when I gamified it that sort of got me into
the routine of doing it. And it's a bit like
Brian Tracy's Eat that Frog.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
If you're going to do the.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Cold shower at the start of the morning, like there's
not much that's going to be worse than that. It
actually gives you energy as well. And in Ireland there's
someone who said, I don't like the man who went
in to say the water the cold water, but I
love the man who came out, So he's getting rid
of all the bad energy maybe so to speak, and
you're coming out a different person.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
Wow, Gary, I get a flip because I could talk
all day. I've always intrigued by this, but those research
I saw that you did a global pitch competition where
you pitched an idea to some executives, and it's something
as a leader you've got to do. Often, especially young
leaders are tending to be very nervous about doing that.
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Can you give us some advice because I know you
had some success in that as far as preparing for
a pitch in how to come across so that people
buy into your ideas.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, one hundred percent. A lot of it.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Like everything even in the book, it's all holistic, like
all these little things that I've done are stacking on
top of each other. So once again to give a
bit of context, like I'm not a natural public speaker.
If someone saw me now, maybe they'll think differently. But
I was a person that sweated through a suit and
university and had to leave the room. It was a
joint presentation, Like I couldn't stay in the room because
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it was soaked. So I was always like very anxious,
and this is why I started seeking out things like
wim Hoff and different elements in my life. So there
was global pitching competition in work, and I really just
focus on being myself right because there's no one like me,
there's no one like you.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And if you're.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Authentic, like authentic speakers, I love because it's your truth,
Like you can't fake the truth right like you if
you just keep showing up being authentic. So I thought
that that was the good point to start with. But
then there's three simple things, right, tell them what you're
going to tell them, tell them, and then tell them
what you just told them. So I always liked the
rule of three when I'm presenting because it keeps things simple.
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And of course if you tell a story, that's that's
another way to do it. And I had more advice
then from another mentor who said, what are the three
things that you really want to convey when you're speaking?
And this person was someone I really admired and he
said he was like gratitude, energy, and passion, and I
could completely see that when he spoke, and as he
said to me, my three are going to be completely
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different to hiss. But have a little think about that.
And the obvious one is practiced like I practic just
so much with this practice the front of my parents
and practice the front of my wife, my siblings. I
hit record as well, so that I got used to
my voice. And also, like you have to seek out help.
I was talking about technical details, and you know, I'm
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not a super technical person, so then I reached out
to people who are and asked them how can we
simplify this? So for me it was like fun.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
At the end.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
When I actually pitched to the CEO, it was a
flow state. I don't even remember us. I was just
completely in flow and in the process.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
Yeah, and that is preparation. If we are prepared.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
And also mastered the skill, then the fears suddenly start
to go down.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
So that plays a huge role.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
And you are so right about the mind manifesting things
in the mind. Often before I go to the pitch
to the fundraisers and stuff like that, I play the
whole picture in my head, like I'm entering the office.
This is what I saying. What is going wrong? I
need to hear myself and that makes things easier when
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I'm actually in this scenario exactly, I hear you on
a different note, as we are all observing, especially in America,
we are in a crazy scenario where diversity and all
those things are taking a back seat and.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
We are becoming challenged.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
We are being challenged to understand each other, people from
different races, immigrants, all these elements. And you are now
in a Dubai in a totally different country with different
cultural values.
Speaker 7 (17:38):
And we often hear in America like fear the Muslims.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
The mayor is mayor of New York City is Muslim,
there will be sharia, lah and all.
Speaker 7 (17:46):
Those kinds of things.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
So as a leader, we also have to adapt to changes,
keep an open mind. So all these elements. So from
your experience, you are in Dubai, a Muslim predominant Muslim country.
But what are your take when you embrace this diverse
environment and culture. So if anybody is listening from outside
Dubai embracing a new culture, going into a new world,
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a different shift in the career, what are your takeaways
are your advice or how do you see Dubai when
you went there?
Speaker 7 (18:19):
And now?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, no, a great question. I'm glad that you asked it.
So I've been privileged to live in four different countries.
So I'm born in Ireland, i lived in Australia, lived
in the UK, and now I'm living in Dubai, and
each country is amazing. Obviously I love my homeland, I
love my people, all that good stuff, but definitely travel
broadens the mind. Living in all these countries has taught
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me something different, but one hundred percent moving to Dubai, Like,
it's so multicultural. There's every type of culture that you
can imagine here in all honestly, there's so many benefits
to living in Dubai. But like for me, it really
comes down to the people. And I'm working with people
from Lebanon, from Egypt, from Sudan, from every country that
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you can imagine. Really and for me being raised in
Ireland and even living in the other countries, like I
can't say that I had someone who is a Lebanese
friend or someone who was from a Man or Kuwait
or wherever it may be. And what I really like
here is it's completely different when you're living in it, right,
And a lot of these people maybe aren't even here
by choice right Their country might be going through some
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sort of hardships and tough times which I haven't experienced
in Ireland.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Like I said, there's a bit.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Of privilege there, but it's actually very there's a lot
of empathy and gratitude that I have for meeting these
people because they really do just broaden your horizons. And
one of my neighbors in Ireland used to say, people
as people, and my dad always says, we all laugh
the same, we all cried the same, So you just
realized that that everyone is I think everyone is good
deep down and like the majority of people that I've
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met in life for great and it's no different to
being here as well. And like I said, they've taught
me a lot of lessons as well along the way.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Do you have to to any of the customs or
cultural elements when you are in Dubai or is it
like everywhere else?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
There's obviously little nuances like maybe you don't shake some
people's hands like you might just acknowledge them. Sometimes it
can be a bit more direct here. They work in sales.
There's a bit more directness compared to maybe say Arlan
in the UK, where you'll ask about people's weekends in
the first couple of minutes of a conversation, whereas here
is very direct. So yeah, there's loads of little nuances.
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But I guess the benefit is of working with people here,
Like you ask, you get curious and you might say
something that you know you're not aware of and people
will just correct you and they know that it comes
from a good place that you didn't know this. It's
ignorance in a way, right, how could you know in
certain circumstances. So yeah, there's little things, but overall you're
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it's it's very similar. But like I said, there's always
nuances here and there.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Yeah, great points and what a powerful way to expand
your horizons. It's literally by living in different places and
travel is so fun and enjoyable and also eye opening
and gary. It's also interesting when it comes to some
cross cultural differences in areas of leadership. Have you noticed
some differences there when it comes to leaders in Ireland
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and the UK versus leaders down in Dubai. How are
there some changes and how are there still skills that
are transferable? But you need to be a bit adaptable
to be a leader in either place.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, that's a really good question.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
And actually I really like this region here because what
I've seen maybe in the corporate world is like people
who've maybe moved from Europe to this region for a
couple of years, then when they go back, maybe they
go back to the US, So they go back to Europe,
like they get even maybe higher positions because they've experienced
everything that I've just spoken about, Like they're learning about
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different cultures. So perhaps then if they go back to
the US, so they go back to Europe, like there's
people from within this region on their teams, and they
understand them, they've learned about them, they've opened their mind
on that. So I guess it's not the easiest question
to answer in away because there's so many different cultures
and there's so many there's benefits, and of course there's
pros and cons to every different set of leadership style.
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Like I can't say that, hey, what we do in
Ireland or the UK is way better than what they
do here. You're gonna you're picking things from loads of
different leaders in all Honestly, I've been blessed with the
leaders that I've worked with. They understand that you're a
human being, that you're not a robot, all that type
of stuff. So I think when it's human centered, human focused,
like everything else is just it just is what it is, right,
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There's different styles, but as long as they understand that
they're speaking to human and that you have a life
outside of work, then I think for me, that's that's
what separates the great leaders. And you could find them
here and you could find them in the US or
Ireland or anywhere else for that matter.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I often I taught the International Tourism class and there
the time management was one of the air things. Like
in Brazil, time is seen as a different way. In
Arab countries, time has a different way.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
So like in.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Dubai Dubai, do you feel that it's it has modernized
that time because there is Bangladeshi time. If you say
that it's seven, then we will go there at nine,
So something like that. What is the time like the
time issue that you have found like time management?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Look, it's a fair point definitely, like in in Ireland
to the UK, if you say a certain time, it's
you have to be there at that time.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
There probably is.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Maybe, like you said that, you might say nine hey,
it could be nine thirty type thing, and it's just
maybe culturally accepted that type of thing.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
But yeah, I know that.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Of course there's little nuances like that you'll start a
little bit later here like then you'll finish a little
bit later. So yeah, no, there's definitely differences like that
one hundred percent. And maybe at the start some people
are like, oh, but we we do that different way
back home. But then you have to be like, I'm
in a different place now, I'm not. You see the
world through your eyes, not other people's eyes. So you
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have to learn to accept those things and just embrace it,
because otherwise you're not going to leave your house in
the morning because there'll be different situations that maybe you
don't agree with. So yeah, it's all about embracing the cultures.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
Good pointy. I wanted augments because I really liked your
thoughts about getting into public speaking, because in fact that
you suffered pretty greatly, which a lot of people do,
including and I've done a lot of private public presentations,
and I wanted to augment that. You said you practiced
a lot, and that's something people forget and I'll just
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say one thing that I add is that, because you've
got to capture people's attention, you should practice your intro
even more than you do anything else, and then practice
your clothes because those are tend to be the two
things that people remember the most. So I just thought
i'd share that, but thank you for that. I got
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to delve into tell us because obviously we'd like to
see people get your book, But tell us about your book,
maybe share one story from them, because it's an intriguing
title built by lessons turn your challenges into triumphs.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
So tell us a.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Little bit of what the reader would get from reading
your book, and maybe share a story from it.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, so here is said book.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
So yeah, built were Gary.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I liked that you teed me up nicely.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Ultimately, what the story is about, so to speak, is
like I had a great upbringing an Ireland, like wonderful family,
like great siblings, fantastic I went to university, and then
after university, in all honesty, I think I froze because
I went backpacking and I didn't really know what I
wanted to do. And I think, now having hindsight, I
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think it's because all of the institutionals that of the universities,
they all put a goal on you. You need to
get this grade, and it's all set on you by them.
But then when it comes to your own goals, like
I didn't really know what I wanted to do in
all honesty, so I fell into a sales role in
Australia and unfortunately the company that I worked for went
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bankrupt and like administration liquidation. So it was a really
testing time. And on this like twenty four twenty three
year old over in Australia, I did have my sibling
and my sister were actually over there as well at
the same time, which helped. But still you're just lost
and you're, yeah, you're looking for ways to yeah, make
your way in the world and understand. So I went
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through a lot of anxiety back then. But then there
was one moment, and it's sort of the key moment
of the book, where my twin brother actually handed me
a ticket to a business and life seminar and Tony
Robbins was one of the flagship speakers, and I was
lying down on the futon sort of feeling sorry for myself,
and I could easily have said, no way, I'm not
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going to go. But it was a little bit like
there was a magic with this ticket, like with the
way he even showed it to me, and I said,
you know what, I'll go and I go into the
business seminar. And if you see Tony Robbins life for
the first time and you've not heard of him, this
was like seeing the matrix. It just completely opened up
my eyes to everything.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Now.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I was in the wrong vehicle with the business I
was in because it was going bankrupt, and no matter
how good I got a public speaking or sales, I
was never going to make it there. So I did
stay in the company for a little bit longer, but
that was just because I was in the business seminar
mode and I was practicing things and speaking to different people,
going to seminars at the weekend, spending like twenty four
(27:31):
dollars on a pubbly like a cold calling program, learning
how to do sales. And then I realized, Okay, I
have all the theory completely down, so now why don't
I go back to Europe and get in the right vehicle.
And ultimately I found that with the company that I
work for today, and I've done like international moves, I've
won global pitching competition. So the whole book was basically,
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how can I reverse engineer what I've done back to
when before I got that ticket to the seminar and
then teach people who are going through something similar to
find their path earlier and accelerate their success as well.
And there's loads of different stories about the mentors that
I've had obviously traveling with wim Hoff and poland understanding
how to set goals, how to set a vision, and
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also understanding that, yeah, there's destiny helpers out there, because
ultimately we're antennas and we're always receiving messages and you
have to be open to the messages.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, and to receive the messages, you have to have
that knowledge, not only information, but knowledge, and that is
when your riticular activating system just go up. And Tony,
I think Tony Robbins talked about this activating system. When
you know that this knowledge is there, when you have
the awareness, then you start to peek on.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
All the information that is coming through you.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
And I always believe that life is not about only
success stories. We have to experience challenges and failures in
order to grow. So you grew from that experience and
probably you won't be here in Dubai. If everything went
nice in Australia, you won't be here in Dubai.
Speaker 7 (29:09):
You might be stuck in the pre environment.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yes, the universe has planned for us and we just
walked through it with an open raidar.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
My last question to you, You are in.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
The field of IT technology and all these elements, and
we are hearing so many stories and fear stories about
AI and this we human will be no more needed.
What is your overall take, like, where is leadership or
human skill going with AI becoming more humanistic with the era,
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like within ten years, the AI will be doing all
our thinking, like I don't need to think about and
when I'm using some time, I'm using chat chat GPT,
it is.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
Scary to see like it is surpassing me.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
So what are your thoughts on merging this AI and
human skill together?
Speaker 7 (30:04):
Do we need us in the future at all?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yes, one hundred percent we do. And I think everything
is disguised as maybe they could be. You could see
it as a problem, but then there's massive opportunities from this.
And I'll give you two examples. I was watching this
movie with my wife. It was about there was basically
these ladies who were the mathematicians behind a NASA around
the sort of flying to the moon and basically end
(30:30):
that movie, and I forget who was in it now,
so apologies, but I'll try and dig it out later.
But they were given this sort of a machine and
they were like, oh, we don't really need those ladies
that were doing the maths anymore. And ultimately then it
was like, how do we actually work the machine? And
then they're like, actually, we know how. So then they
were the ones in charge of the machine, and I
and my company asked someone, I need to learn a
(30:51):
little bit more about AI, so they recommended a book
to me, and long story short, at the end of
the book, there was this nursing home and it was
completely automated AI everywhere. So everyone was like, job done, amazing,
we don't need any sort of one to help us.
But what they found was that the help us was
like inundated with calls, like they were getting calls upon calls,
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and they're like, I thought we had everything automated, And
it turns out that the patients just wanted to speak
to human at the end of the phone. So the
moral of the story really is like that human connection.
I don't think is ever going to go away. And
I think if you're not reinventing yourself constantly, then of
course there may be challenges to your career. But I
think if you're curious and you're constantly reinventing yourself, like
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public speaking, like we just mentioned, that's something that's gone
back to the caveman times. So if you learn skills
like that, I think you'll be fine. But also embrace
some of these like CHATGBT, because ultimately we will need
to use that because there's some mundane tasks that you
don't want to have to do. If we can get
that automated, then we can focus on being more creative
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sort of in our life. I think that's so great.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
That a great point, and this is one of my
big takeaways here is the power of public speaking, so
tying that into AI and some of these emerging technologies.
As a public speaker. You talk about your experience with
Tony Robbins and that's proof in and of itself, right,
But how can someone leverage these AI tools but also
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be that genuine, authentic public speaker as a leader that
can get their team or their audience to really buy
into their message for me.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
How I learned public speaking was I started going to Toastmasters,
which is like an international organization. There's one in goal
Away in Ireland where I'm from, there's one in Dubai.
There's definitely ones in the US. And there's a story
in the book about this as well. And it's for
you basically go into it's a room full of strangers.
Like it's very structured. It's maybe twice a month, like
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the fee for the year is not crazy at all.
What you learn is amazing. And I signed myself up
for something called a table topic, and you're basically signing
your life away. It's like maybe if there's five six
people and they give you a random topic. And I
remember I was the first one that was picked and
they asked me, so Gary, why should ant Man win
an Oscar go? And that was the longest two minutes
(33:15):
of my life, Like I froze. I didn't know what
to say, and then I sat down and they gave
me like constructive criticism. Should we say what you did well?
What you could improve on? And then I saw the
next speaker and they were asked a similar crazy question,
but they had a structure like they asked the audience
a question, they pause, they I could clearly see that
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they had learned the structure this. So after attending more
and more these then I realized, Okay, there is a
structure like I could pause, I could ask the audience
a question. I could have done anything except for what
I did. And I didn't see ant Man at the time,
but I knew that, say, Phoebe's boyfriend and friends was
in there, so I could have said, I've not seen that,
but I know Phoebe.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I could have done anything.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
And then what I discovered was like if you then
went to say, an interview like something like a table
topic can help you because you're going to get thrown
a random question, so it can help you with a structure,
and maybe you flip the question back on the interviewer
or you take it in loads of different ways ask
them to repeat the question. So for me, everyone should
definitely attend that if you're looking to progress your career.
(34:17):
And then in terms of AI like even honestly, the
title of this book was helped a little bit by
chat GBT, but I gave chatchy BT the context. I said,
this is like what my book is about, and there
was almost like a back and forth conversation between me
and chat GBT and ultimately then we came up with
built by lessons and the subtitle as well. But I
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did have to get a human too, bolds the ure.
So the bold is on the your because he was like,
it's missing one thing. So like I said, it's using AI,
it's using other human beings, and yeah, that's my answer
probably for that one.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah, the emotions. You have to have the emotions connected
to it. So yet the AI has not become centennial
to act as use the emotion. And I've just wanted
to say that it is so true that we need
to have that merge that can make us better. And interestingly,
(35:15):
there was this podcast host nas Daily, so he used
in the recent time, he used some AI to have
some actors playing things that yet he's talking about, and
his crowd didn't like it at all. Everybody wanted him
in the natural setting. He used to walk around and
(35:36):
talk about those things, but then he became bringing in
all those AI actors and stuff, which people did not
like because it took away the authenticity from the whole thing.
So sometime it might work, sometime it can accentuate and
sometimes it might not at all work with the AI.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Gary. My last question in wrapping up O well, sir,
John and I do a weekly call and accountability call
it and your Table Talk. I've been to a few
Toastmasters and they do a great job. We learned from
a communication coach many years ago on our podcast an
activity called the random word, which is a little bit shorter.
It's basically where you give the other person a word
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and they have to talk about it for a certain
period of time. For John and I, we do it
for forty five seconds and you got to say the
word three times. The amazing thing is because I do
breakout sessions at conferences, and when I first started sharing that,
I would let them go and I would not be
the example because but John and I have done it
so often now I put myself on the spot and
I've become very good at it. So it's a great point.
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And just getting those types of activities in your life,
like jumping into that cold water, it's that part I
haven't done yet, Gary, but maybe someday. I have started
to turn my shower down at the end. But I
have one last question. I know John will wrap it up,
but I do want to thank you for your great
insights today and we really appreciate your time and your wisdom.
(37:02):
But you've mentioned Win Hoff, Tony Robbins, you mentioned a
book that you read. No Personal development was something you
said I read in your bio. So if you were
to share with a young leader, maybe one book or
one person you would recommend, maybe one of each the
foul to learn from to be a better leader. Who
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would you recommend?
Speaker 3 (37:25):
I think ye had books. This is a very tough question,
so this is why you saved it for last. I
think that How to Win Friends and Influence People by
Dale Carnegie. It is a really good book, and it
sets the foundation and sets the basics, and I think
in terms of a person to follow, I mentioned Tony
Robbins already, so I won't mention him, but I think
Jim Roan is someone who I go back and forth
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with quite a lot, and he was obviously the mentor
for Tony Robbins, so I would say Jim Rohan. And
I also have to give credit to There's a guy
called Grank Cardone and people either love him or hate him,
but what he did for me and my sales career
was amazing I don't know the guy personally, but just
the motivation that I got from reading and listening to
his stuff was really good. So I have to acknowledge
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him in that.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
I gotta make one comment because my wife is kidded me.
Jim Rohn passed away in two thousand and nine, and
we actually had his manager, Kyle Wilson on our podcast.
I was a huge Jim Ron and my wife is
kidding me for years that you could keep his seminars
going because I listened to so much of his program
that I could repeat Jim Ron. So I appreciate you
bringing him up because he's been passed away for a
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long time, but he certainly was a treasure chest of insight.
So John, let's wrap it up with Gary.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
Yeah, sounds good.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Gary.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
So obviously we got those great people to look up to,
but we also have you two.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
You do a lot of different things.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
First of all, your book, how do we get that
because we know those stories are valuable to those young
and emerging leaders, And how do we get in touch
with you or learn more about you?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Sure. The book is called Built by Lessons and it's
on Amazon, so that's the only platform that it's on
now so you can grab it on Amazon, and then
I typically hang out on LinkedIn, so at Gary Daily
Sales or if you just search me in LinkedIn, you
should find me and that they're pretty much the two
main places that all hang out.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
On LinkedIn and that book up on Amazon. Those links
down in the show notes too, so you can connect
with Gary and learn more about Gary. And if you've
learned a lot about Gary, let him know. We would
love for you to reach out to Gary and tell
him how much you learned here on The Limitless Leadership Lounge.
And we'd also appreciate if you shared this episode with somebody,
whether it's somebody who's mentioned diving into a cold shower,
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somebody who's mentioned public speaking, anybody who wants to learn
more about these topics, which I think are transferable for
all young and emerging leaders. So Gary, we can't thank
you enough for your time today on The Limitless Leadership Lounge.
We learned so much from you, man. We look forward
to staying in touch.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
And yeah, as I said, I learned a lot from
all three of you as well, so I really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
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There's no good or there's no bad. It just is
And ultimately, if you surrender to it, you're not pushing
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Speaker 5 (01:10):
I'm really excited for today's conversation. It's another try generational
conversation for you, the emerging leader, because we have three
generations representative here. I'm John Kering, you're doctor Ian mccareham,
and the coach Jim Johnson, and we love to bring
on guests to help you, the young and emerging leaders
in different areas of your leadership journey. When you're just
starting out or if you've been doing it for years,
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it's never too late to continue your learning journey when
it comes to leadership. So let's dive right in today. Coach,
you have brought along yet another great guest, So let's
introduce Gary and get our conversation going.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
Yeah, it's our first guest from Dubai. So Gary, we're
excited to have you. I got a chance to have
a zoom call before we did this interview, and so
I'm just gonna share a little bio. He's got a
lot of great things, but he says, I'm Irish and
I'm a twin. He spent the last fifteen years working
in tech sales across three continents Sydney, London, Galway and
(02:04):
now he lives in Dubai along the way he's grown
up professionally but also personally. He's deeply passionate about personal development,
public speaking, meditation, football and fitness. And I think the
football is actually in our country would be called soccer.
So I just want to clarify it for our audience here,
and this is going to I'm going definitely ask about
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this because I have heard of this gentleman something slightly
out of the ordinary. He once climbed a mountain in
Poland in sub zero temperatures wearing only shorts. That was
with wind Hoff, which I'm very familiar with Wind's work.
In twenty twenty, his personal growth journey has led him
to write a book, and it's called Built by Lessons,
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Turn Your Challenges into Your Triumphs. It's a reflection of
the ups and downs, the mentors and moments of clarity
and hard earned insights that have helped shaped who he is.
He wrote it for anyone feels stuck, uncertain, or just
ready to grow. It's a book I wish I had
in my twenties. He currently now has probably worked at
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Cisco since two twenty fourteen. He also does some personal
and business coaching and without a further ado, Gary welcome
to the Limitless Leadership lunch.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Oh, thank you so much. It's great to be here,
and I love the diversity of the group as well,
so I'm excited to chat to you all.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Actually, we brand ourselves as try generational and I hate
to say this, Gary, but I am the old one
of the three. But I got to ask you right
away because I've heard whim a few times on various
podcasts interviews, and I've studied a little bit of his work.
I do, I'm not I don't know a lot about it,
but you've got to tell us a story about that
(03:48):
journey on the mountain in shorts and what you learned
from that.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah. Absolutely. So his name is Wim Hoff, So if
you haven't heard of him, google him. So long story short,
he basically would setting sort of world records for the
longest saturation and essentially like an ice and he climbed
Everest in shorts and he was healing his immune system.
So how I found him was quite interesting. So I
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actually came back and landed and to London on a
plane from Vegas and my back.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Seemed to have a serious issue.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
So it turns out I had a slip disc and
then I went to a couple of physios, and no
one was really finding the root cause. And then there
was one physio who was very much focused on like breathing,
and he was saying that I was very tense up
all the time. So he then asked me, like, had
I heard it of wim Hoff And I said, vaguely,
I've read about him, and he said he changed my
(04:40):
whole practice. So that got the light bulbs at a
moment going off of my head, and basically I then
googled a seminar with him. He was in London, where
I was living at the time. I went to this
seminar and it said basically, bring yoga shorts or yoga
mass and shorts and that's all you need. And I
was very intrigued by that. So he taught us how
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to breathe, which was healing your immune system. And then
when you learned how to breathe, he brought us into
the ice water for two minutes, and it was the
coldest thing I've ever been in, but he got us
to bring our breath back and then you didn't even
realize you're in the ice bat you were just you
were nowhere, and it was really nice. Then I went
to Poland after doing another sort of retreat in Ireland,
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and that was amazing. We learned more breathing techniques, went
into the ice cold water for ten minutes in Poland,
which was phenomenal, met amazing people, and at the end
we climbed the mountain with him in nothing but short
and a backpack, and that was pretty surreal because it
was like a silent retreat almost in terms of a
(05:44):
walk up the mountain, and there was at one stage
at the top of the mountain someone had to move
their car another say Polish couple because there's like restaurants
at the top of the mountain. All of our group
had to stop and then we suddenly realized, oh my god,
it's absolutely freezing. But we were just so focused on
the mission and our breath that we didn't realize. And
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it's even brought like profound things into how I work
and how I deal with pressure as well. So that's
just a highlight reel.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
I don't I get delve in one thing because I've
started to study and I do some various breathing techniques,
so certainly we can't go through all that, but I
know my co hosts have a lot of questions for
you as well, But I do got to delve in this.
Can you share just because we want to help young
and emerging leaders And usually when you get into leadership,
you have a lot of stress on you and it's
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something that I think is getting bigger, but it's something
still not taught that much as far as using proper breathing.
So can you give us one that maybe you learned
that you could help a young leader that's really stressed with.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And by the way, there's loads
of different methods. This is called the whim half method,
but there's box breathing, all those different things. But in
the morning, I get up and I'll do It's basically
like thirty breaths in and out, and you're breathing from
your belly. So when you're breathing in, your belly's gone up,
and you breathe out, your belly's gone down, and the
focus is more you inhale, but then the exhale is
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a lot more a lot more focus on the excel,
so you're almost like breathing out the pressure. And then
at the end of the thirty bread you hold it
and you hold for as long as you can, and
then you release, and you do three rounds of this
and I sometimes see lights colors, and I just feel
like a lot of gratitude from it now transparently some
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people they might release it could have whatever's inside you
with releases it, so to speak. And I do think
there's definitely and sport for an example, before Ornaldo will
take a free kick, you see the breathing, the bread out,
and I think even in a work situation, I'll give
you a very quick example. Someone spilt coffee or it
could have been me, we still don't know, over my
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laptop at an event and someone said to me like,
how are you not freaking out right now? And I
genuinely think it was because of the breathing and because
I have surrendered into the process, and I found that
it was really helpful to me, and I'm sure it'll
be helpful to younger people because I wish I was
in that mindset when I was younger.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
I just had a clarvey. I'm sorry, Ruman. Just is
when you say exhale, are you exhaling from your mouth
or from your nose?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Very good point, Jess, Why will typically breathe in from
my nose and then exhale with the mouth. Yeah, but
I think either is fine, wim Hoff said, either way,
it's fine, but typically you'll breathe out with the mouth
because you'll get the most oxygen out. I guess, okay.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah, And I think we need this breathing practice nowadays
more than ever because so many stress factors just sitting
in our computer table or so many other things that
are challenging us.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
All the time.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
We have so many tension points in our shoulder back
all the time. So I think this breathing technique really
helps because I've been practicing that a little bit and
it really lets all the stress points a little bit
losing up. So thank you so much for sharing that
needed that one. Just piggybacking on your experience with climbing
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and climbing the mountain, I could feel like once I've
when I started climbing, like trekking through the Colorado Mountain,
when the breathing got heavier because I did not carry
any oxygen mask or anything like that. But going to
that top, there are so many challenges that you have
to internal challenges that you can experience. Oh, should I
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be going, should I feel like cold or this or that.
So what are like some of the challenges or what
are some of the life lessons do you think climbing
can give us? And it could be some of the
leadership metaphors like from climbing the hill, because we often
use these metaphors like it's like climbing the hill, the
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destination is there, but you.
Speaker 7 (09:47):
Would like to give up before going to the top.
What keeps you going?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
So any ide lessons that you have learned from climbing
that you can also translate into your leadership skills.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, really good question. So I think a lot of
it is mindset and all honesty. And just to give
you a bit of context, like we were there for
five days and before we climb the mountain, we had
be gone into like ice cold water, and like you
didn't really believe you were going to go into that
and survive it. And whenever we went into that ice
cold water, you're basically it's like a metaphor for stress,
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Like it's you're going into a stressful situation and everything
is coming up, but you have to just completely focus
on your breath so that you're getting rid of everything
else and then eventually you realize like okay, everything is good, ungrateful,
all of that different stuff. And wim Hoff said to us,
like maybe the day before the mountain, he said, you
guys have already climbed the mountain, like you've already done it,
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like tomorrow is just the actual reality of doing it.
As corny and all as that sounds like, it is,
it's all a mental game.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
It's in your head.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And like for me, when I was climbing that mountain,
I was totally focused on gratitude, and I was looking
around at my colleagues who became really good friends with
and if there was a little moment of struggle, just
like when we're in the water, you'd look at someone
and you'd know like they got your back.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
So for me, that was probably the key.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
So the trust, a trust from your companions, trusting the environment.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
That is important.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
And you are talking about adaptability also like sudden change
and adaptation, so you have to be resilient, so all
these elements. It is so fascinating that you can touch
down so many points of leadership just through this climbing experience.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yes, surrender, I think is the key word. And it's
like when I'm in Ireland, I love good into the
ice cold water that we have in Ireland. And someone
said it to me, like, you're basically surrendering. Wim Hoff said, surrendering,
And then another person who coaches me said, surrenders really
like patience, like you're just accepting the process.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
There's no good or there's no bad.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
It just is And ultimately, if you surrender to it,
you're not pushing against something.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
You're just you're in flow. Stay it almost.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Yeah, the cold is a really fascinating topic to me
because I know a lot of people are trying to
They're not climbing Everson Shorts, but they're trying to replicate
that in their own ways with little home ways of
doing that, which might be ice back or even an
ice shower something like that. Could you talk a little
bit about the benefits of that, because you referenced earlier
(12:22):
how it forces you to focus on your breath. Would
you recommend even if somebody doesn't have the opportunity to
climb Everston Shorts, what they can do instead to achieve
the same results.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah, it's one hundred percent. And just for context, like
I climbed its amount called Mount Nezie, which is between
Poland and the Czech Republic, so wim Hoff was the
one who climbed Everes, so I definitely. But for me,
when I started off, even going back to the retreat
that I did in London, I made a commitment and
I gamified the experience to say a WhatsApp group of
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my friends, I said I'm going to do a coal
shower every day. And this was like twenty eighteen and
I committed to it. And I remember I went to
a wedding in Ireland and then I was waking up
that morning catching a flight and I said, okay, this
was actually the first David that I committed to it,
so I had to do it. And this was in
Ireland and I may have been like winter, and I
had an ice cold shower at the end of my
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sort of lukewarm shower. Right, you'll just turn the knob
for the last maybe thirty seconds or one minute and
then just completely focus on your breathing. And I found
when I gamified it that sort of got me into
the routine of doing it. And it's a bit like
Brian Tracy's Eat that Frog.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
If you're going to do the.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Cold shower at the start of the morning, like there's
not much that's going to be worse than that. It
actually gives you energy as well. And in Ireland there's
someone who said, I don't like the man who went
in to say the water the cold water, but I
love the man who came out, So he's getting rid
of all the bad energy maybe so to speak, and
you're coming out a different person.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
Wow, Gary, I get a flip because I could talk
all day. I've always intrigued by this, but those research
I saw that you did a global pitch competition where
you pitched an idea to some executives, and it's something
as a leader you've got to do. Often, especially young
leaders are tending to be very nervous about doing that.
(14:15):
Can you give us some advice because I know you
had some success in that as far as preparing for
a pitch in how to come across so that people
buy into your ideas.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, one hundred percent. A lot of it.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Like everything even in the book, it's all holistic, like
all these little things that I've done are stacking on
top of each other. So once again to give a
bit of context, like I'm not a natural public speaker.
If someone saw me now, maybe they'll think differently. But
I was a person that sweated through a suit and
university and had to leave the room. It was a
joint presentation, Like I couldn't stay in the room because
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it was soaked. So I was always like very anxious,
and this is why I started seeking out things like
wim Hoff and different elements in my life. So there
was global pitching competition in work, and I really just
focus on being myself right because there's no one like me,
there's no one like you.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And if you're.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Authentic, like authentic speakers, I love because it's your truth,
Like you can't fake the truth right like you if
you just keep showing up being authentic. So I thought
that that was the good point to start with. But
then there's three simple things, right, tell them what you're
going to tell them, tell them, and then tell them
what you just told them. So I always liked the
rule of three when I'm presenting because it keeps things simple.
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And of course if you tell a story, that's that's
another way to do it. And I had more advice
then from another mentor who said, what are the three
things that you really want to convey when you're speaking?
And this person was someone I really admired and he
said he was like gratitude, energy, and passion, and I
could completely see that when he spoke, and as he
said to me, my three are going to be completely
(15:54):
different to hiss. But have a little think about that.
And the obvious one is practiced like I practic just
so much with this practice the front of my parents
and practice the front of my wife, my siblings. I
hit record as well, so that I got used to
my voice. And also, like you have to seek out help.
I was talking about technical details, and you know, I'm
(16:15):
not a super technical person, so then I reached out
to people who are and asked them how can we
simplify this? So for me it was like fun.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
At the end.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
When I actually pitched to the CEO, it was a
flow state. I don't even remember us. I was just
completely in flow and in the process.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
Yeah, and that is preparation. If we are prepared.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
And also mastered the skill, then the fears suddenly start
to go down.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
So that plays a huge role.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
And you are so right about the mind manifesting things
in the mind. Often before I go to the pitch
to the fundraisers and stuff like that, I play the
whole picture in my head, like I'm entering the office.
This is what I saying. What is going wrong? I
need to hear myself and that makes things easier when
(17:06):
I'm actually in this scenario exactly, I hear you on
a different note, as we are all observing, especially in America,
we are in a crazy scenario where diversity and all
those things are taking a back seat and.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
We are becoming challenged.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
We are being challenged to understand each other, people from
different races, immigrants, all these elements. And you are now
in a Dubai in a totally different country with different
cultural values.
Speaker 7 (17:38):
And we often hear in America like fear the Muslims.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
The mayor is mayor of New York City is Muslim,
there will be sharia, lah and all.
Speaker 7 (17:46):
Those kinds of things.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
So as a leader, we also have to adapt to changes,
keep an open mind. So all these elements. So from
your experience, you are in Dubai, a Muslim predominant Muslim country.
But what are your take when you embrace this diverse
environment and culture. So if anybody is listening from outside
Dubai embracing a new culture, going into a new world,
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a different shift in the career, what are your takeaways
are your advice or how do you see Dubai when
you went there?
Speaker 7 (18:19):
And now?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, no, a great question. I'm glad that you asked it.
So I've been privileged to live in four different countries.
So I'm born in Ireland, i lived in Australia, lived
in the UK, and now I'm living in Dubai, and
each country is amazing. Obviously I love my homeland, I
love my people, all that good stuff, but definitely travel
broadens the mind. Living in all these countries has taught
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me something different, but one hundred percent moving to Dubai, Like,
it's so multicultural. There's every type of culture that you
can imagine here in all honestly, there's so many benefits
to living in Dubai. But like for me, it really
comes down to the people. And I'm working with people
from Lebanon, from Egypt, from Sudan, from every country that
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you can imagine. Really and for me being raised in
Ireland and even living in the other countries, like I
can't say that I had someone who is a Lebanese
friend or someone who was from a Man or Kuwait
or wherever it may be. And what I really like
here is it's completely different when you're living in it, right,
And a lot of these people maybe aren't even here
by choice right Their country might be going through some
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sort of hardships and tough times which I haven't experienced
in Ireland.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Like I said, there's a bit.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Of privilege there, but it's actually very there's a lot
of empathy and gratitude that I have for meeting these
people because they really do just broaden your horizons. And
one of my neighbors in Ireland used to say, people
as people, and my dad always says, we all laugh
the same, we all cried the same, So you just
realized that that everyone is I think everyone is good
deep down and like the majority of people that I've
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met in life for great and it's no different to
being here as well. And like I said, they've taught
me a lot of lessons as well along the way.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Do you have to to any of the customs or
cultural elements when you are in Dubai or is it
like everywhere else?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
There's obviously little nuances like maybe you don't shake some
people's hands like you might just acknowledge them. Sometimes it
can be a bit more direct here. They work in sales.
There's a bit more directness compared to maybe say Arlan
in the UK, where you'll ask about people's weekends in
the first couple of minutes of a conversation, whereas here
is very direct. So yeah, there's loads of little nuances.
(20:30):
But I guess the benefit is of working with people here,
Like you ask, you get curious and you might say
something that you know you're not aware of and people
will just correct you and they know that it comes
from a good place that you didn't know this. It's
ignorance in a way, right, how could you know in
certain circumstances. So yeah, there's little things, but overall you're
(20:52):
it's it's very similar. But like I said, there's always
nuances here and there.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Yeah, great points and what a powerful way to expand
your horizons. It's literally by living in different places and
travel is so fun and enjoyable and also eye opening
and gary. It's also interesting when it comes to some
cross cultural differences in areas of leadership. Have you noticed
some differences there when it comes to leaders in Ireland
(21:19):
and the UK versus leaders down in Dubai. How are
there some changes and how are there still skills that
are transferable? But you need to be a bit adaptable
to be a leader in either place.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, that's a really good question.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
And actually I really like this region here because what
I've seen maybe in the corporate world is like people
who've maybe moved from Europe to this region for a
couple of years, then when they go back, maybe they
go back to the US, So they go back to Europe,
like they get even maybe higher positions because they've experienced
everything that I've just spoken about, Like they're learning about
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different cultures. So perhaps then if they go back to
the US, so they go back to Europe, like there's
people from within this region on their teams, and they
understand them, they've learned about them, they've opened their mind
on that. So I guess it's not the easiest question
to answer in away because there's so many different cultures
and there's so many there's benefits, and of course there's
pros and cons to every different set of leadership style.
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Like I can't say that, hey, what we do in
Ireland or the UK is way better than what they
do here. You're gonna you're picking things from loads of
different leaders in all Honestly, I've been blessed with the
leaders that I've worked with. They understand that you're a
human being, that you're not a robot, all that type
of stuff. So I think when it's human centered, human focused,
like everything else is just it just is what it is, right,
(22:43):
There's different styles, but as long as they understand that
they're speaking to human and that you have a life
outside of work, then I think for me, that's that's
what separates the great leaders. And you could find them
here and you could find them in the US or
Ireland or anywhere else for that matter.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I often I taught the International Tourism class and there
the time management was one of the air things. Like
in Brazil, time is seen as a different way. In
Arab countries, time has a different way.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
So like in.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Dubai Dubai, do you feel that it's it has modernized
that time because there is Bangladeshi time. If you say
that it's seven, then we will go there at nine,
So something like that. What is the time like the
time issue that you have found like time management?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Look, it's a fair point definitely, like in in Ireland
to the UK, if you say a certain time, it's
you have to be there at that time.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
There probably is.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Maybe, like you said that, you might say nine hey,
it could be nine thirty type thing, and it's just
maybe culturally accepted that type of thing.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
But yeah, I know that.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Of course there's little nuances like that you'll start a
little bit later here like then you'll finish a little
bit later. So yeah, no, there's definitely differences like that
one hundred percent. And maybe at the start some people
are like, oh, but we we do that different way
back home. But then you have to be like, I'm
in a different place now, I'm not. You see the
world through your eyes, not other people's eyes. So you
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have to learn to accept those things and just embrace it,
because otherwise you're not going to leave your house in
the morning because there'll be different situations that maybe you
don't agree with. So yeah, it's all about embracing the cultures.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
Good pointy. I wanted augments because I really liked your
thoughts about getting into public speaking, because in fact that
you suffered pretty greatly, which a lot of people do,
including and I've done a lot of private public presentations,
and I wanted to augment that. You said you practiced
a lot, and that's something people forget and I'll just
(24:43):
say one thing that I add is that, because you've
got to capture people's attention, you should practice your intro
even more than you do anything else, and then practice
your clothes because those are tend to be the two
things that people remember the most. So I just thought
i'd share that, but thank you for that. I got
(25:03):
to delve into tell us because obviously we'd like to
see people get your book, But tell us about your book,
maybe share one story from them, because it's an intriguing
title built by lessons turn your challenges into triumphs.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
So tell us a.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Little bit of what the reader would get from reading
your book, and maybe share a story from it.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, so here is said book.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
So yeah, built were Gary.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I liked that you teed me up nicely.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Ultimately, what the story is about, so to speak, is
like I had a great upbringing an Ireland, like wonderful family,
like great siblings, fantastic I went to university, and then
after university, in all honesty, I think I froze because
I went backpacking and I didn't really know what I
wanted to do. And I think, now having hindsight, I
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think it's because all of the institutionals that of the universities,
they all put a goal on you. You need to
get this grade, and it's all set on you by them.
But then when it comes to your own goals, like
I didn't really know what I wanted to do in
all honesty, so I fell into a sales role in
Australia and unfortunately the company that I worked for went
(26:10):
bankrupt and like administration liquidation. So it was a really
testing time. And on this like twenty four twenty three
year old over in Australia, I did have my sibling
and my sister were actually over there as well at
the same time, which helped. But still you're just lost
and you're, yeah, you're looking for ways to yeah, make
your way in the world and understand. So I went
(26:31):
through a lot of anxiety back then. But then there
was one moment, and it's sort of the key moment
of the book, where my twin brother actually handed me
a ticket to a business and life seminar and Tony
Robbins was one of the flagship speakers, and I was
lying down on the futon sort of feeling sorry for myself,
and I could easily have said, no way, I'm not
(26:51):
going to go. But it was a little bit like
there was a magic with this ticket, like with the
way he even showed it to me, and I said,
you know what, I'll go and I go into the
business seminar. And if you see Tony Robbins life for
the first time and you've not heard of him, this
was like seeing the matrix. It just completely opened up
my eyes to everything.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Now.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I was in the wrong vehicle with the business I
was in because it was going bankrupt, and no matter
how good I got a public speaking or sales, I
was never going to make it there. So I did
stay in the company for a little bit longer, but
that was just because I was in the business seminar
mode and I was practicing things and speaking to different people,
going to seminars at the weekend, spending like twenty four
(27:31):
dollars on a pubbly like a cold calling program, learning
how to do sales. And then I realized, Okay, I
have all the theory completely down, so now why don't
I go back to Europe and get in the right vehicle.
And ultimately I found that with the company that I
work for today, and I've done like international moves, I've
won global pitching competition. So the whole book was basically,
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how can I reverse engineer what I've done back to
when before I got that ticket to the seminar and
then teach people who are going through something similar to
find their path earlier and accelerate their success as well.
And there's loads of different stories about the mentors that
I've had obviously traveling with wim Hoff and poland understanding
how to set goals, how to set a vision, and
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also understanding that, yeah, there's destiny helpers out there, because
ultimately we're antennas and we're always receiving messages and you
have to be open to the messages.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, and to receive the messages, you have to have
that knowledge, not only information, but knowledge, and that is
when your riticular activating system just go up. And Tony,
I think Tony Robbins talked about this activating system. When
you know that this knowledge is there, when you have
the awareness, then you start to peek on.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
All the information that is coming through you.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
And I always believe that life is not about only
success stories. We have to experience challenges and failures in
order to grow. So you grew from that experience and
probably you won't be here in Dubai. If everything went
nice in Australia, you won't be here in Dubai.
Speaker 7 (29:09):
You might be stuck in the pre environment.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yes, the universe has planned for us and we just
walked through it with an open raidar.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
My last question to you, You are in.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
The field of IT technology and all these elements, and
we are hearing so many stories and fear stories about
AI and this we human will be no more needed.
What is your overall take, like, where is leadership or
human skill going with AI becoming more humanistic with the era,
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like within ten years, the AI will be doing all
our thinking, like I don't need to think about and
when I'm using some time, I'm using chat chat GPT,
it is.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
Scary to see like it is surpassing me.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
So what are your thoughts on merging this AI and
human skill together?
Speaker 7 (30:04):
Do we need us in the future at all?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yes, one hundred percent we do. And I think everything
is disguised as maybe they could be. You could see
it as a problem, but then there's massive opportunities from this.
And I'll give you two examples. I was watching this
movie with my wife. It was about there was basically
these ladies who were the mathematicians behind a NASA around
the sort of flying to the moon and basically end
(30:30):
that movie, and I forget who was in it now,
so apologies, but I'll try and dig it out later.
But they were given this sort of a machine and
they were like, oh, we don't really need those ladies
that were doing the maths anymore. And ultimately then it
was like, how do we actually work the machine? And
then they're like, actually, we know how. So then they
were the ones in charge of the machine, and I
and my company asked someone, I need to learn a
(30:51):
little bit more about AI, so they recommended a book
to me, and long story short, at the end of
the book, there was this nursing home and it was
completely automated AI everywhere. So everyone was like, job done, amazing,
we don't need any sort of one to help us.
But what they found was that the help us was
like inundated with calls, like they were getting calls upon calls,
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and they're like, I thought we had everything automated, And
it turns out that the patients just wanted to speak
to human at the end of the phone. So the
moral of the story really is like that human connection.
I don't think is ever going to go away. And
I think if you're not reinventing yourself constantly, then of
course there may be challenges to your career. But I
think if you're curious and you're constantly reinventing yourself, like
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public speaking, like we just mentioned, that's something that's gone
back to the caveman times. So if you learn skills
like that, I think you'll be fine. But also embrace
some of these like CHATGBT, because ultimately we will need
to use that because there's some mundane tasks that you
don't want to have to do. If we can get
that automated, then we can focus on being more creative
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sort of in our life. I think that's so great.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
That a great point, and this is one of my
big takeaways here is the power of public speaking, so
tying that into AI and some of these emerging technologies.
As a public speaker. You talk about your experience with
Tony Robbins and that's proof in and of itself, right,
But how can someone leverage these AI tools but also
(32:20):
be that genuine, authentic public speaker as a leader that
can get their team or their audience to really buy
into their message for me.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
How I learned public speaking was I started going to Toastmasters,
which is like an international organization. There's one in goal
Away in Ireland where I'm from, there's one in Dubai.
There's definitely ones in the US. And there's a story
in the book about this as well. And it's for
you basically go into it's a room full of strangers.
Like it's very structured. It's maybe twice a month, like
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the fee for the year is not crazy at all.
What you learn is amazing. And I signed myself up
for something called a table topic, and you're basically signing
your life away. It's like maybe if there's five six
people and they give you a random topic. And I
remember I was the first one that was picked and
they asked me, so Gary, why should ant Man win
an Oscar go? And that was the longest two minutes
(33:15):
of my life, Like I froze. I didn't know what
to say, and then I sat down and they gave
me like constructive criticism. Should we say what you did well?
What you could improve on? And then I saw the
next speaker and they were asked a similar crazy question,
but they had a structure like they asked the audience
a question, they pause, they I could clearly see that
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they had learned the structure this. So after attending more
and more these then I realized, Okay, there is a
structure like I could pause, I could ask the audience
a question. I could have done anything except for what
I did. And I didn't see ant Man at the time,
but I knew that, say, Phoebe's boyfriend and friends was
in there, so I could have said, I've not seen that,
but I know Phoebe.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I could have done anything.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
And then what I discovered was like if you then
went to say, an interview like something like a table
topic can help you because you're going to get thrown
a random question, so it can help you with a structure,
and maybe you flip the question back on the interviewer
or you take it in loads of different ways ask
them to repeat the question. So for me, everyone should
definitely attend that if you're looking to progress your career.
(34:17):
And then in terms of AI like even honestly, the
title of this book was helped a little bit by
chat GBT, but I gave chatchy BT the context. I said,
this is like what my book is about, and there
was almost like a back and forth conversation between me
and chat GBT and ultimately then we came up with
built by lessons and the subtitle as well. But I
(34:39):
did have to get a human too, bolds the ure.
So the bold is on the your because he was like,
it's missing one thing. So like I said, it's using AI,
it's using other human beings, and yeah, that's my answer
probably for that one.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah, the emotions. You have to have the emotions connected
to it. So yet the AI has not become centennial
to act as use the emotion. And I've just wanted
to say that it is so true that we need
to have that merge that can make us better. And interestingly,
(35:15):
there was this podcast host nas Daily, so he used
in the recent time, he used some AI to have
some actors playing things that yet he's talking about, and
his crowd didn't like it at all. Everybody wanted him
in the natural setting. He used to walk around and
(35:36):
talk about those things, but then he became bringing in
all those AI actors and stuff, which people did not
like because it took away the authenticity from the whole thing.
So sometime it might work, sometime it can accentuate and
sometimes it might not at all work with the AI.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Gary. My last question in wrapping up O well, sir,
John and I do a weekly call and accountability call
it and your Table Talk. I've been to a few
Toastmasters and they do a great job. We learned from
a communication coach many years ago on our podcast an
activity called the random word, which is a little bit shorter.
It's basically where you give the other person a word
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and they have to talk about it for a certain
period of time. For John and I, we do it
for forty five seconds and you got to say the
word three times. The amazing thing is because I do
breakout sessions at conferences, and when I first started sharing that,
I would let them go and I would not be
the example because but John and I have done it
so often now I put myself on the spot and
I've become very good at it. So it's a great point.
(36:40):
And just getting those types of activities in your life,
like jumping into that cold water, it's that part I
haven't done yet, Gary, but maybe someday. I have started
to turn my shower down at the end. But I
have one last question. I know John will wrap it up,
but I do want to thank you for your great
insights today and we really appreciate your time and your wisdom.
(37:02):
But you've mentioned Win Hoff, Tony Robbins, you mentioned a
book that you read. No Personal development was something you
said I read in your bio. So if you were
to share with a young leader, maybe one book or
one person you would recommend, maybe one of each the
foul to learn from to be a better leader. Who
(37:23):
would you recommend?
Speaker 3 (37:25):
I think ye had books. This is a very tough question,
so this is why you saved it for last. I
think that How to Win Friends and Influence People by
Dale Carnegie. It is a really good book, and it
sets the foundation and sets the basics, and I think
in terms of a person to follow, I mentioned Tony
Robbins already, so I won't mention him, but I think
Jim Roan is someone who I go back and forth
(37:48):
with quite a lot, and he was obviously the mentor
for Tony Robbins, so I would say Jim Rohan. And
I also have to give credit to There's a guy
called Grank Cardone and people either love him or hate him,
but what he did for me and my sales career
was amazing I don't know the guy personally, but just
the motivation that I got from reading and listening to
his stuff was really good. So I have to acknowledge
(38:09):
him in that.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
I gotta make one comment because my wife is kidded me.
Jim Rohn passed away in two thousand and nine, and
we actually had his manager, Kyle Wilson on our podcast.
I was a huge Jim Ron and my wife is
kidding me for years that you could keep his seminars
going because I listened to so much of his program
that I could repeat Jim Ron. So I appreciate you
bringing him up because he's been passed away for a
(38:32):
long time, but he certainly was a treasure chest of insight.
So John, let's wrap it up with Gary.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
Yeah, sounds good.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Gary.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
So obviously we got those great people to look up to,
but we also have you two.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
You do a lot of different things.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
First of all, your book, how do we get that
because we know those stories are valuable to those young
and emerging leaders, And how do we get in touch
with you or learn more about you?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Sure. The book is called Built by Lessons and it's
on Amazon, so that's the only platform that it's on
now so you can grab it on Amazon, and then
I typically hang out on LinkedIn, so at Gary Daily
Sales or if you just search me in LinkedIn, you
should find me and that they're pretty much the two
main places that all hang out.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
On LinkedIn and that book up on Amazon. Those links
down in the show notes too, so you can connect
with Gary and learn more about Gary. And if you've
learned a lot about Gary, let him know. We would
love for you to reach out to Gary and tell
him how much you learned here on The Limitless Leadership Lounge.
And we'd also appreciate if you shared this episode with somebody,
whether it's somebody who's mentioned diving into a cold shower,
(39:37):
somebody who's mentioned public speaking, anybody who wants to learn
more about these topics, which I think are transferable for
all young and emerging leaders. So Gary, we can't thank
you enough for your time today on The Limitless Leadership Lounge.
We learned so much from you, man. We look forward
to staying in touch.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
And yeah, as I said, I learned a lot from
all three of you as well, so I really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
Thank you for joining us this week at the Limitless
Leadership Lounge. To listen to this episode again and to
find previous episodes, check us out on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,
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your friends to join it as well. Coach Renuma and John,
We'll be back again next week for another try generational
(40:19):
leadership discussion. We'll talk to you then on the Limitless
Leadership Lounge
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