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How are you guys?

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Wow, thank you, Maara Cutiett.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Well you've got it. Butler, you still make the ladies blush.
You still make the ladies blush. I do got it
all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
They go crazy. But in all serioushness, knowing that you
are well older than me, I know, which didn't I
one hundred, So you all look good. You've kept it together,
just dead serious. He was an actor as a person.
You have kept it together through the years. You've maintained
good health, you exercise, you well, you have to stay
out of the sun because you'd burst into flames.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
It's dream juice, isn't it. Butler.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
He's been taking care of himself. And so there's a
lot of guys younger than you who don't look that good.
You look good. You have kept it together and you're
still cute. And that's why the women at your table
dreamy dream. It's true and that's what happens when you
take care join.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Christine put out some posts of you know, we have
our merch shop in case people didn't know, they have
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house merch stuff, and they posted one with the yours
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my imagine her boyfriend and the Commons girl. They are

(02:58):
wild about Dean Butler.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yes, I'm just really, I mean, I'm so I'm so
grateful and flattered by it. But it's you know, it's like, uh,
I'm very grateful for it, no question, it's very it's
really kind and it's cool and you know, and I
love being able to in those few moments that we

(03:21):
have with people when we meet them. I love being
able to, you know, be that guy. Yes, of course,
still able to be that guy. Right right, that's really cool.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
That's why you're all of our hashtag imaginary boy. It's
reason for the hashtag.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Well, it's better than if people met you and said, wow,
he used to be cute. What happened to him?

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Oh no, no questions.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Now he's he's so weird and terrible and skiviee I
get no. So like, yeah, nobody's saying that. So you
score you you're I know.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Look, I appreciate that. And we're going to get the
opportunity to go out and meet people again soon. I mean,
Charlotte and Wendy and I are going to be and.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Uh yeah, where are you going to be Field?

Speaker 2 (04:07):
You know, on the twenty sixth and twenty seventh, Yes,
of the month, and then I'll be at Dallas Expo
fan Expo on October fourth and fifth, and then we're
going to.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Be Bonny Baratt.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Also we're going to be doing something fun. Now, I
haven't seen the paperwork come through this morning. Has it
come through this morning? No, it has not come this morning. Okay,
well we can't really talk about it yet, but something
fun is brewing for us in Rhode Island, which could
be really funny. Quick thing leading right into our event
in New York, which we are excited about on November

(04:44):
twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Apologize, apologies. I'm actually going to put out a video today,
the day that we're recording, because people have been trying
to buy tickets for our event in New York, our
Live Pasket event. There was a technical trouble with the
venue's website, so they're re vamping their website. Our page
is not up yet, it will be second. I'm literally

(05:06):
awaiting the email from Green Room forty two saying you're
up your live go for it. So patients everyone, I'm
sorry there's a delay.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Well, so people can write it down. What will although
by the time this drops, hopefully shall be Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
I was helping everybody there and they all were like,
I can't get tickets. I can diag get that.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, I'm getting. That's why. That's why I'm going to
be putting out a video today. The amount of emails
and messages I'm getting I can't get tickets. What do
I do? It's not you, it's me.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
So you're going to be sharing. So you're going to
be sharing the url for people?

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yes, And that's.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
I'm just saying sorry for the delay. Just we will
announce when we are officially officially on sale, but it
is happening November twenty second, Green Room forty two, New
York City. I'm super excited, and the fact that people
have been running to buy tickets also makes me super
psyched that you guys are all excited about it.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
I just made my hotel reservation New I'm I'm in
right there, in the right there in the neighborhood. Good,
good good, I'm excited. So and then and then like
what three weeks later, we're going to have our group
in Seami Valley, which.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Keeps growing and growing and growing.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah. No, so we've just added Bonnie Bartlett to the
to our cast. And there's another Really what could be
I think for Little House fans a huge wonderful surprise
if we're able to announce it. You know, when we're
able to announce it, I think people are going to
be delighted. So you know there, Yeah, there are definitely

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fun things happening. Little House on the prairiecast Reunions dot
Com is the u r O SO and all of
this is the year with the bang.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
I mean, they really, who knew you're fifty one was
going to be just as epic as your fifty thought.
I thought it was so stupid and then.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Shows no signs of slowing down. Twenty I've got, I've got.
I had to start my my Excel sheet of twenty
twenty six gigs, and I got things on the calendar
and now I'm plotting something in the January's my birthday.
Me and Dean have books we like to sign them
and it might involve Chili.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
I'll keep you posting, and right right here in the
so Cal area town, Yeah, right in our neighborhood.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
I don't even know what to make of that, but
I'm internet.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Well, it'll be tasty.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
So I think we should get into this. Let's do
get into this right now.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
We will, but first from Prairie Partner. First, you need
to do the yes you go, this is a minute.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
There's a line before that.

Speaker 5 (07:40):
What's I take?

Speaker 2 (07:41):
You know? I take? I take time to write. This
was up till ten.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Sorry, Dean, I passed it. Okay, here we go. I'm
going to read it word for word.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Okay, well you can because you're no.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
No, here we go. Ready, I'm gonna put on my
podcast race.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Here we go.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Here's my NP our voice coming up today, shits okay,
here we go coming up today. It's an episode about
standing up against bad boys.

Speaker 6 (08:10):
Well and now I can say it's a Little House
fiftieth anniversary podcast y'all produced by Ubi n Goat and
Prairie partners booboob.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Okay, Dean head it what are we talking about today?

Speaker 2 (08:41):
All right? Today's episode is is season three, episode nine,
The Bully Boys. It's premiered on December sixth, nineteen seventy six.
Written by B. W. Sanderfer, a writer who was a
big part was a big part of Michael's Bonanza life
and was certainly a significant part served as a writer

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producer on Little House was still writing episodes when I
was stepped into the show.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
These are just I would never know, so I love
hearing this stuff.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Sandifer was a name. There were certain names you saw
all the time. He goes into and you go, oh,
it's a sand It's gonna be funny.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
And this episode was directed by Victor French, so really
fun there. So Allison, what is this episode about?

Speaker 3 (09:29):
There's so much going you.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Have and you were up all night so yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
So.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Here. Indeed, the Gallander brothers, who the Hell's named Gallanders
is made up name. The Gallander brothers ride into Walnut
Grove when they did the quiet little bury down becomes
their personal playground of fear. They drink, they steal, they humiliate,
and they make it clear that no one, not even
Charles Ingalls, can stop them or paralyzed. But the raw,

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uglyus of intimidation. They're really bad. They're really bad. But
terror only lasts as long as silence. When the Gallanders
push too far, Walnut Grove faces a brutal choice stake
out in the shadow of bullies or stand up, risk
everything and reclaim their dignity. The Bully Boys is one
of the little host of the Perry's Rost Morality tales

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be really real, for real, for real, where frontier justice
collides with mob cruelty, and where the soul of a
community is tested in the fire fear.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
But I kind of like the bed guy, I know
you did You're like a freaking mob wife in this episode.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
And he was very nice.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
It was a very nice boy was He did a
really good job in this episode because he believed it.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
And I think this is so timely. I think this
is another way of.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
Watching it.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
So is I mean, the parent you can't deny the perils,
absolutely for sure. Okay, where do we even begin this episode?
Is cray cray?

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah, I just want to say it's interesting. I'm just
going to say right up front, because I always pay
six close attention to the to David Rose's music. The
music at the start of it. I know it's a
little misleading.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
I know there are a couple of music women.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Are we going here?

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Agreed? Okay, Dean, I have that in my notes too.
The opening. There's another part, and when we get to it,
I will point out, like, what were they thinking with
the music in this part?

Speaker 6 (11:36):
I say it, we'll get to it.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
We'll get to it, Okay.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
But you're right. The music starts off really quirky, funny,
right like it's yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
I mean, I feel like it's like it's a point
you know, he's got the.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Going to going to do it.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
I mean, I get, okay, we're dealing with sort of
it's sort of a redneck vibe, get that. But it
also has a little bit of like wistful silly to it.
And this is not wistful so much.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
This is going to be a comedic episode when you
style with the funny music. It's a comedy.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, and it's not.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
There is so much woman beating in this episode. It's
so great.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
They target women their calendar god to fight the men.
They wanted to attack the girls.

Speaker 5 (12:31):
Yeah, a little boy.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Okay. First of all, I was creeped out by all
three of there. The minute they showed up and they
went to their cabin, I was creeped out. I didn't say, oh,
look at the two cowboys and their baby brother. I said,
this is getting Texas chainsaw massacred. Five are these guys?
I mean in breeding going on here? They don't seem right.
There to be something the matter with these three guys,
And why are they all living in this cabin and

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why are they so weird? And I thought they are
creepy and disturbing. I'm feeling Texas chains massacre. I wouldn't
go near that cabin. They are disturbing. There's something wrong
they right away.

Speaker 7 (13:07):
I just wonder about, like why, well, again, in the
interest of serving a story, you make your villain as
reprehensible as possible.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Clearly A. B. W. Sandefer and Michael drew a very
reprehensible group of villains in this and it's like and
they are all equally. Actually, Sam, who is played.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
By I know, he's so familiar.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Oh yeah, the two dudes are in everything, the two dudes,
or you got Roy Jensen and Jeffrey Lewis.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Jeffrey Lewis, that's who I'm He was.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Cole younger in the episode called the Older Brother.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yes, and he had this wonderful handlebar mustache and that
and that and this.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Jensen plays a lot of jerks in the stuff he's in.
You go down there, and yes they did. They did
the Big Trifecta, they did Bonanza, they did a High Chaparral,
they come that, you go down all the Westerns and
then they're in like a bunch of weird movies. But
when you look at like the credits, it's like bad guy,
creepy guy, bank robber, you know, thug. There's horrible people

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like all the time, and.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
They do it really well.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
They are they horrible, Yeah, they do. So you have
this sort of it's it's interesting. It's like, I wonder
what inspires the desire to tell this particular this kind
of story in this way in the little house world. Now,
the morality is crystal clear here. So there's you know,

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with no difficulties knowing who the problem is. But it
it really is interesting that he they go that they
went as dark on this as they did when.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Was the seventy six? Seventy six, so I'm fourteen, by
the way year, it's like, what, Yeah, things were I'm
most saying things were rough in the seventies. You know,
remember we had the huge recession, which is why all
the shows about not Eve enough money or like her horror,
because that was happening. In fact, he was closing. But
there was a sort of in some cities a crime thing. Instead,

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crime was up, and sit you ever now goes is
crime up? Is crime down? Whatever it is, I can
tell you it's way down from the seventies. Yea, seventies
were nuts. There was this par in the seventies where
there was a lot of violent crime and it had
to do with demographics and whole bunch of weird stuff.
But it really does, frankly settled down. And remember what
year was Charles Bronson's death. Wish that was the seventies, Okay.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Look it up.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
And that was reacting to people's feelings about crime and
three feeling threatened in the cities. It wasn't really so
much going.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
On, and that character was what.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
He was sort of like nineteen seventy four.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, he was a regular guy and his wife and
daughter get horribly brutalized by these guys, and the cops
are like, well, we don't even know we can find
them because this is happening all the time, and he
goes berserk and hunts everybody down and start it becomes
a really it's not so much equalizer. There's not a
lot of talk, and he just damn kills more.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Charles Charles Bronson was not famous for dialogue.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
A really nice guy in real life.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
This is really loving, like really you I have talk.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
He's just a beautiful person. I have beautiful Charles Bronze
and story because wow. But yeah, that was a thing
in the seventies. There were a lot of movies when
when was Curpraca when there were a lot.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
Of yeah, yeah, people being visical.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
It was it was the era of the anti hero.
I mean, it was definitely the anti hero era.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Endangered in the seventies and in some cities they were
I know, well, my god, the things are going on
in l A. I mean, it was stranger was happening
it was like it was it was the golden age
of sereal. Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
It was. It was a weird or New York was bank.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
New York was rough. It was rough. I mean I
was running around like Lola. All the thing's wrong. It
was insanely dangerous. Actually they said that a bit out
on the streets. But the seventies were kind of dangerous
compared to now. I mean it's like, by comparison, you
really think it's safer.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Now, which just so you bring into this story, just
right off the bat, can we talk about this all
the time that there was very little but there was
no ambiguity about this. These guys. The kid, the young
guy Bubba arrives at school and you know, shoves show. Now,
Willy sort of deserved it by you know, criticizing his name,

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but okay, the kid definitely established himself right away. And
now they walk into the two brothers, older brothers, walk
into the mercantile, and you know, they take pairs and
they want and they spend all this money and then
they demand credit and yeah, and then they go till
they do.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
It is so smart, but it is such an evil grift.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
I mean, it''s all this trick in the book.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
I said, I know this trick was this when it
was invented in eighteen seventy six. That must have been it,
because the old I'm getting a bank drafted a few
days I've heard this one.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Everyone was just so darn trusting in Walnut Grove. I mean,
even the Olsons who didn't want to put anything on
credit were finally like, okay, sure, I mean.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Because they were scared. Yeah, they were scared, though, he
keep and can I just say Jonathan Gilbert did his
famous hit the wall bit, which is now because it
come like a regular bit where someone sit down and
they shove him and he flings it so you barely
tap him with your elbow because I had one where
I hit him and now in this one, I am
into the wall, this flies Gilbert signature piece. He does
it well yes.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah, yea, okay.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Interesting And we're going to talk more about this as
we go on it because it just gets it, It
just ramps up. I mean, this plot is very simple.
It's like it's really about how much will people take right?
Is really what this is all about. And interestingly, once
again we see that Mary is the is the voice

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of conscience in the community who really speaks up about
this right up front, right and is consistent about it,
although she gets scared and wants to back off too.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
With good reason.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Fully, when she gets punched in the face, she says,
I'm not telling laurds like i'ming out. You go tell someone,
and she says, no, I don't want to be a tattletale.

Speaker 5 (19:32):
And was this like.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Snitches get stitches? What do they don't want to us?
What is going on? This guy just punched He punched
her in front of like twelve people. I'm thinking they're
probably talking someone else. But weirdly, nobody's like, I didn't
see nothing there. I know, all doing the intimidation thing,
like it's the mafia. I didn't see anything, well, like
the olesones because he started smashing stuff in the door
and they freaking out, So he intimidated them enough that

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nobody ratted him out for this. Yikes.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah, mate. We see them at a point in the
second act where there I mean, we're jumping through the
first act. But I think again, this is this is
Michael with a morality tale about good behavior and bad
behavior and what do people do about it? And this
is the This is the allegorical part of this that

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we can relate to today is when we feel like
things are going off the rails and what are we
going to do about it?

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Right?

Speaker 2 (20:29):
And I mean, I think these are I'm just tip
I'm gonna tip here. I hate the way this ends,
but it's but it's okay, you get it, you get
an ending, but there's people have to be willing to
stand up. And Mary establishes that and she says it

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at the end. You have to stand up and not
take it anymore. And that's the only thing that fixes this.
You have to hit a bully in the face.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
That and power in numbers because you right.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Like, I mean, that guy's power. As soon as they
were out numbered. Gotta go, gotta go, gotta go.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Let's go back though to the storehouse. So they've already
been to the to the Olsons. They're starting the grift,
the intimidation factor. They're basically robbing them blind and there's
nothing they can do about it. Then we go to
school and we see Bubba. Right, we're introduced to Bubba,
who's also equally horrible in the school yard. This was
the craziest scene ever when he out of the blue

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punches Mary in the face. I mean over nothing. There's
no you know, she's just sort of standing up to him,
because what was he doing. He was trying to dodgeball.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
He dodgeball, yes, and don't play dodgeball right exactly.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
So he purposely hits He could have killed this girl,
by the way, ps you could kill someone by hitting
someone in the face with a ball like that. So
he purposely knocks cold out this girl. And then when
Mary sort of confronts him, he punches her zero warning,

(22:20):
so freakin' hard. It is jarring, to say the least.
As a viewer watching this, Yeah, Laura is surprisingly a
little more nonchalant than I'd like her to be about it.
I mean, she's concerned, but no one is totally freaking out,
like the way I would be freaking out right.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Right, and a guy hitting a girl, I mean even now,
but oh my gosh, even a bully, even someone who's like,
I'm a bully, I'm terrible girls, you're hitting girls, I
know you ew And then also would have been unmanly,
like what kind of coward are you? You hit a girl? Dude,
I mean relly, But the fact that he did it
in I can't think, Oh, it's like in prison. He's

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in like a prison movie. Figure out who's in charge,
who's the baddest person, right, and she thinked about, oh,
oh she's in charge. Okay, good night, damn take out
the person who might stand up, right, and then the
others will cower.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Right, And it worked, It was correct, right.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
It is just we see it working. We see it
working today. Yeah, of course we see it. We see
we're seeing it every day work exactly that way today. Yes,
in our world. And I know that people who listen
to us that are probably going to go like, I'm
turning this off because I don't like that you're going here.

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But it's pretty tough to miss when you put it
in the context of something like this story.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Well, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Such a bully online.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
That's right, that's right. And the thing is is that
if people say, don't get political, this isn't political, we're
just stating the facts of what the culture is at
this present moment, right, and we're not talking to that's right.
This isn't This isn't We're not talking uh you know,

(24:10):
uh anything political in the sense of laws and rules
and blah blah, blah. We're talking about the culture of
what is going on currently.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
This is this is so the Gallanders are an illustration
of no moral guard rails of any kind. There's just
there is nothing that they won't do, and they think
nothing of it because no one is saying. No one
is pushing back until Mary pushes back. I mean in
this in the case of because these guys have been

(24:43):
doing this for a long time. Clearly this is not
their first stop.

Speaker 5 (24:47):
No, this is.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Right and violence and intimidation is a part of it.
It's because it works. Guess what it works?

Speaker 2 (24:54):
It it does work. I think what you know what
I think what Walnut Grove? I think the less in
here or one of the things we can talk about
or that we do talk about with Walnut Grove is
Walnut Grove and the people of Walnut Grove are representative
of goodness, decency, trust. Now that they are woken up

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to us. But but they but we the community, which
I think is allegorical to what we want, how we
want to think of the larger society is where people
are kind and respectful and honest with each other about
what they do. And this is an episode that just
completely completely turns that upside down and leaves the people

(25:43):
of Walnut Grove wondering, you know what is is our trust,
mistrade misplaced and I mean reveren Old and at a
certain point wants to wants to wants this to be okay.
He wants to think that it's going to be good,
and he ultimately comes around Christian.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
I mean he because he buys there one of there
be a story the most and he believes them this
and I'm going, oh, that's right up there with I
have a bank draft coming Friday, I forget, And he
buys it to the point where he's telling people you
can't be so hard on them. They've been through so much.
They're just acting out. They're traumatized because people have issues

(26:27):
they need their help. And then it's all a lie
and he loses it.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
And the thing that's sad about Reverend Alden two is
that he really is walking the walk right, like he
is being a true Christian in the best possible way.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
Kill him, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
So he is doing absolutely what Jesus's teachings to do.
What he's called he is a man of integrity and
this is the way. And you know, he has a
very horrible rude awakening. Thank god, because you know there's
also at a point you go, Reverend, these guys are

(27:11):
lying there, their grifters. They're bad, they're violent. Although no
one knew about the Mary slap, even though she had
a freaking purple swollen eye for the entire rest of
the episode, did no one realize she was beat up
by someone? No, they didn't tell. They said she just.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Pap puts it together. Yeah, he does have that line
of wisdom, he said one. I guess what, something about
one black eye is better than two? Yeah, something like
that in that realm. So this happens.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
You just they didn't know a boy did it alone.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
She didn't acknowledge that.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, well, I'm terrible person that I am. I'm like so.

Speaker 5 (27:53):
Mary terrible typical.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
She had Mary stood up and come forward sooner, how
much of this crap would have been prevented. I know
he's only a child, and the boyd hit her in
the face hard enough to give her a damn concussion
for godsakes, But you look back, and this is why
when people say, oh, you know, I don't want to
press charge to come forth, but the person who comes
forgets ball rolling and if you come forward, then how

(28:19):
many others later does this prevent? Sometimes and this is
one of the situations where had she done an outcry,
gone to the teacher or whatever, would there been some
awareness of how screwed up these guys were before Carolyn.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Well, and of course the answer is yes. But you
need to play out the narrative of the story. So
of course you're not going to well, we're going to
get a lesson in the cost of not speaking up right.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Okay, before we get to that, though, let's talk a
little Nelly right now. Because Nellie witnesses a girl getting
beaten to the ground and she is not at all
bothered by it, and the friends, like any good mob
wofe becomes partners with the mob boss, which is he cute?

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Now? I got they have it with. There was what Jason,
and there was Johnny Johnson, and there was this Luke
the big farmer. Many many boys, and I was I mean,
Mitch Vogel, great guy, not my type whatever.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
I liked this guy.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Oh you did, Claire, you look Claire. I liked him.
He was very and funny. Oh that kid was funny. Well,
I mean, there's a swat Reverend Alden's given the big,
the big lecture, like the sermon, like and this is
it the And he watched that scene again, Michael Claire,
let me get Claire yawns and it is absolutely realistic.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
That's funny.

Speaker 5 (29:49):
That is funny.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
He just goes yawns right in the middle of it
and it's real. It's like a really I'm like, wow,
that's some nerve.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
That's a choice he did.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, and in real life too, he was charming and funny.
He was a very nice it's always a very nice
person who punched Marry in the face. He was a
lovely boy.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Do you know how old he was? No, really good, not.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Very He wasn't one of these twenty seven year olds things.
I think he was in it just in.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
His teens scenes I have. He was very, very good. Also,
the relationship between Bubba and the two other men his
brother're his brother, he was so disturbing on every level.
You just keep thinking like, oh, he's learning to beat
women from these guys. He's also being treated like a
slave in their little cabin. They you know, such bad news.

(30:40):
Oh it's such bad.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
But we got to walk around arm in arm and
that whole thing.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Get your powermint sticks.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
You clung to him. Actually I found a.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Smart move though, because she was I mean, she was
a friend.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
That man. Before we had Lovely Lou and the Darling Percival.
I always thought that Nelly was going to marry you
someone awful, and when he showed up, ah, well, they
finally found me a boyfriend. This is this is gonna
be the kind of guy. I'm gonna have this guy.
I gotta have a boyfriend in the show, and it's
gonna be someone just terrible. Me and my terrible boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Will live at I mean, the problem would have been
for you if they had gone that direction, and they
never would have done that to you, frankly, is that
you would have become unredeemable, right, and that would have
been a death blow for the character. You know, Bubba
is a one shot deal, and Bubba gets what's coming

(31:36):
to him. You could never be aligned with someone like that.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Because Bubba goes into the vortex of the people.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
And raising a summer fling. But when we're talking about
the candy and he's like, let me see the.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
Sour ball first, yeah, yeah, yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
He's like, so every day he starts going to every
day he's ponying up. I'm like, you can have candy.
Most of my bribery people just say yes, I'll take
a bag of licoric.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Right.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
He sees, oh, you can get all of the candy
every day. He has to have everything. He ratches it up.
These guys are never satisfied, so you can get all
the candy every day. And yeah, and he's like, okay,
well let me see the sour Bolt tries and goes, yeah, okay,
we can be friends. And he's he makes a deal
and he is so funny, and the whole added and
that's scene how Willy plays it in our chemistry. This

(32:28):
guy was great. We got along with Housifier. He was darling.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Well he did a wonderful job. I mean, I mean everybody,
all these guys did their job.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Oh yeah, they you.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Know, there's no quibbling about the performances that they gave.
What we're quibbling. What we're quibbling about, of course, is
the message. Or what we're questioning or what we are
responding to, is the effectiveness of a really horrible message.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
And it worked. And you have women like Nellie attracted
to raw power. I do you know, is he on
the good side. Is he on the bands? I don't know,
but he's powerful, right.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
And again, the thing that's so reprehensible about her in
this is that she sees him beating women and she's.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
Cool with it.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
It's not her and it's Mary Mary right right. It's
so crazy.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
I just I just want to see something about where
how Oh okay, well let's get we need to take
a quick break. Let's get to mad and that the
moment that really flips the episode.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Scary.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Yeah, okay, So they continue the grift. They're grifting. They're
cheating hands in, They're cheating everyone in the town. Right hand, Yeah,
they're they're they're cheating hands in, Reverend.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Everyone knows they're being cheated. It's all in the open now.
Every the Olsons were cheated, they know what. Hanson's been cheated.
He knows it. Everybody knows these guys are bad news.
No one knows quite what to do about it until
the moment comes where it becomes clear something has to
be done. And that moment is with Ma.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
So Ma's coming Ladi Dadi Da with her basket of
eggs to come sell them at the mercantile, and the
two older brothers the Gallander brothers Samon side that they're
going to, you know, give her a little visit and
and h shake ma down, bit, shake her down. Yeah,

(34:32):
I mean it's all sexual in the window. It's horrible.
It's horrific.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
It's really bad.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
It's really bad. Of course she drops all the eggs.
The eggs all break. But she's terrified, and rightfully so.
They're horrible. They hold her, they're touching her, they're intimidating her,
and she runs off thoughts about this. The scene is crazy. Also,
the scene is crazy.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
When she's back at the high.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Okay, let's stay, let's stay, let's stay. That's jumping back three.
But the scene, let's talk about. Yeah, let's talk more
about this scene where they come on that's probably in
the Little House world. That's probably as overtly and menacing
scene as we will ever see has ever been shot

(35:21):
on the show.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
And also we got those eggs. That's like a week spent,
that was a lot of money. That's over with eggs
and she, you know, so that's hurting her. It's a
hurting her where she was like, wait, this might be
a lege. It did, and very weirdly creepy symbolic of
all and then they're literally holding her, touching her. Nobody
does that, Nobody does that, and this is Carolyn. I
mean viewers had to have gone, that's your mom's mom,

(35:46):
and they just they're touching her, insane and they're saying
things and touching and they won't literally they have hold
of her. Oh no, no, no, no no, this is
a salt.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
This is And as if you're watching it, it's what
this would be a horrible scene to watch if it
was any female character. But the r rat exactly what
you said, Alison. The fact that it is ma a
as a layer of horror to it that as of
you are watching it is it is unfathomable. It's a

(36:17):
horror story. What's happening right now?

Speaker 2 (36:19):
And as she runs off, screaming, keep your hands off
of me, terrified, running away, Let's take a break.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Do do doo, Cliffhanger, We'll be right back.

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Speaker 3 (37:22):
Okay, and we're back, Cliffhanger. What happens next? Let me
just preface by saying what happens next in the ingles
home between Pa and Ma is the hottest thing Pa
has ever done in the entire episode, in the entire
history of Little House. In the first Okay, so he
comes home. Mas just ran home from being accosted by

(37:45):
the Gallander men, and he clearly knows something is very
wrong with her. And again this episode, everyone doesn't want
to tell, right, No one wants to tell. So she's
going no, no, I just dropped the eggs and he's like,
come on, give it up. Something is wrong. And he
figures out that these men have touching. They say, her

(38:06):
skirt is ripped, she is visibly shaken, she is crying,
and he finds out that they have accosted her, and
his just his response, the way that he handles the scene,
the way that he's forceful with mo but in the
best possible way, like the good.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Really he really. I was struck by the fact that
he really took her, you know, put her face in
his hand. Yes, really took her. Yes, Yes, I thought
that was an interesting choice in that moment to do that,
because that was sort of in some ways like what

(38:47):
the Gallanders were doing to her. The intentions very different. Yes,
he wants her to be honest about what did they
put their hands on you?

Speaker 1 (38:58):
I got this scene is like trigger warrank. Yeah, and
let's go there. Yes, as a survivor.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
She her portrayal of trauma, of trauma from sexual assault
is so dead on, dead on in this scene. The
desperation to say it wasn't that well, it was that
they made me spill the eggs. It was the eggs.
I dropped the eggs. I'm hysterical to the point I'm
going to lose my mind. She's crying, She's absolutely losing it,

(39:27):
but she's going, it was the eggs, the eggs, and
there are the way, and then she tries to blame herself.
She says, if I had sold them to it, maybe
I blame myself, right, Michael, it's Michault. Yeah, yeah, that's it,
that's it. And then she's like they were there, and
she just cried. The more he asked her, know what
really happened, she cries harder and harder, and she's desperately
trying to put up the defense mechanism, which people do well,

(39:47):
there were these men and they said something, and then
I dropped the eggs, and that's what happened. You left
out the entire incident, what really happened, and desperately walk
out the actual incident to try to say, I'm not
crying because I was almost you know, I'm crying because
I dropped the eggs and I should have sold him too.
And it's like anything grasping at straws.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
To make it the n blame it was, and it
was for Charles the reality that the question did they
put their hands on you? And he had clearly that
they did that obviously is the turning.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
And he was right because he grabbed her, and although
it seems harsh, he was ready to go no, no, no.
He was like a really really.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Direct take all those excuses away.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
We're we're going to get We're in a hurry, so
we're going to cut through the denial phase. You need
to tell me now what really happened. It's okay, I'm here,
but you're telling me what really happened. And then she
tells him and it's like, yeah, that's what you said.
He was right. He was like the police having to go, Okay,
we don't have time. We understand you're doing na Defessa
and then and it's like yikes.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
And I will say I mean to be totally pedantic
and stupid about it, but there is a reason why
I'm saying this is maybe maybe the hottest thing he
has ever done. Why in the history of the series.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Because in charge of that, it's the.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Four Yes, there's something about and you know, I am
a uber feminist. This has nothing to do with female
weakness at all. But in a partnership, any partnership, to
know that someone has your back and to know that
you are that kind of supportive that if anything happened

(41:26):
to you your partner, yeah, would do anything to defend you,
to help you, to save you, to get you, to
get the bad guy for better or worse is a
kind of I mean, Alison, back me up on this, Like,
I don't even know the right words were it, other
than there's nothing fricking hotter than that. Like it's and

(41:47):
I don't mean to be silly or stupid about it.
Is incredible.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
He is a protector.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
There's nothing but a protector being protected for women. Yes,
that he is.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Also he is direct, he's a protector, and he is
made or his priority. It is that she did ever question,
am I just the wife? And yeah, I do thee
in the cleaning, I'm cool to hang out with. Am
I his priority? Yes, because you just made it clear
that this is the most important thing in the world
that this happened to you, and he's going to go
kill somebody.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Yes, yes, priority and you are better for worse.

Speaker 5 (42:18):
But yeah, that's it's the assault.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
The kind of people who do that, and especially these
two guys, their whole thing was making the victim unimportant
and not a person. And he's just come in and going, no,
you're actually the most important person on earth right now,
and I'm going to go see.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
About this, and I mean not to get dark or anything,
and we won't harp on this, but there are so
many abuse victims who when they finally do tell, are
not believed, or they're believed, but nothing happens about it,
or was that or wasn't that bad? Or maybe it
was you maybe what did you do to provoke it? Right? Exactly,

(42:53):
So it's it's that she is totally believed. He is
totally there to protect. You're absolute right, Alison, that she
is his number one priority. She comes first. He's going
to do something about it and just to see that made.
Hopefully justice will be served, even if it's physical, right violence.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
And he recognizes the trauma. That's why it doesn't buy
the age store. He is watching, He sees exactly what
you're doing, goes, uh, she's a trauma level ten.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
This is not the age and this is what we
want from all partnerships, whether it's friendships, whether it's lovers,
whether it's you.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Know, of course, and so he races, he races off.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
It's so good.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Steps in he follows Sam into the house, which is
sort of like, probably not a great decision.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
To no, it's a terrible decision.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
But he steps in there and engaged probably in one
of the most aggressive fight scenes I've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
On the side, I know it is an epic, I
mean it is. It is also very raw in it's
violence like it, and it goes on for a long.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Yeah, it's a long it's not punch punch around. It
goes on for a while.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
He just gets on first of all, he whacks the
other guy and managed.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
To get the doors even the odds right away and locks.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
The doors, just gets on him and just whales on
him for a really long time.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Yeah, a really long time.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
So so that that fight very strong. George breaks the
door down, comes in with whatever he's got in his
hand and breaks three three of Charles's ribs. Mister Edwards
sees the team galloping along, pulls the wagon over, sees
Charles crumpled up inside the back. Interesting, they threw him
in the wagon.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
And sent him off right, but then cut to wandering around,
cut to completely inappropriate David Rose music in that moment.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
So yeah, so what I so that was the place
they've just gone.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Through, right, So this is this is the trajectory of
how it goes, right, Ma's accosted. Then the epic scene
in the house, or Pop finds out she's been to it.
Then he goes out this epic fight scene. Right, we're
going dark, dark, dark. Then Paw is found in the
back of erect completely passed out like crazy, and then
the music goes buying, buying, bigger, buying, buying.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Is happening.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
So dead on right all the time.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
But I wonder was that Victor Fringe's choice since he
was directing this episode, or like.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
That's the way the show worked. That's not the way
the show worked. David would have spotted the show on
his own. It's possible that a director could have been there,
But you wonder, what's why with that?

Speaker 1 (45:44):
When Maul runs back to the house and she's traumatizing, screaming,
running back to the house with this music kitchen and
they go kind of it's dark, but it's the weirdest
music theme I think I've heard of the show. One
of the audists, it's really weird. It's like, Okay, this
horror movie music. What is this music? And why is
it so strange?

Speaker 3 (45:58):
And it is just what is that this will understand
the choice?

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Yeah, yeah, it is interesting. So then advancing into the story, now,
you know, Doc Baker's at the house trying to put
Paw back together again. Three broken ribs, you're not you
get your paw shirtless moment.

Speaker 5 (46:18):
And miracles.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
What they've done throwing him in the wagon. This is
the eighteen hundreds equivalent of beating someone half to death
and leaving them in the trunk of their car. Absolutely
what they.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Have done, right, right, and so and then Reverend and
shows up and this is and Pa has a moment,
a real moment of clarity here. Yeah, but this, this
is what you get for kindness to people who don't deserve.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Kindness, right, Which is a conundrum because again the teaching
Christianity of turning the cheek and loving thy neighbors.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
But and Reverinalden can't approve of the decision to have
the fight. He's I can't approve your actions, right, And
then Pa says, there's nothing else to talk about. Paw
knows as the conscience of everybody in this, I mean,
Reverinald is a conscious of everybody. But Paw knows Reverinalden
didn't see it. Pad did see it, he experienced it.

(47:23):
Everyone is going to be with Paw in this Charles
in this moment.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Well, and again the conundrum of like, what do you
do when you see a violent or a criminal act
or pure evil quite frankly right where you go? But
love thy neighbor and forgiveness. And yet no, you actually
have to do something about it too. You can't just
there has to be action as well as humanity.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
There's the outrage, but there has to be a response,
right And and you know at that moment, mister Edwards says,
I'll take care of this. You're my friend. I'm going
to take care of this. And Pas says, no, you
need to stay out of this. This is this is mine.
I've got this now. He's in no position to act
on this now, but you need to stay out of this.

(48:12):
This is mine. And as we whind to the end
here they have the conversation. They then the glendar spid
the lie about the mother.

Speaker 5 (48:24):
That's right, they do all that.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Another favorite favorite migue laclaiir moment. Oh no, she ran
off with the dream drummer.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Yeah, what what the drummer?

Speaker 1 (48:34):
It's always drum it's always it's always good drummer player,
worst one in the bed, it's yeah, and I guess
it's a nineteen seventies joke, but in the eighteen hundreds, yes,
it's still the still.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
The drummer, the drummer I die. And he said that I.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Didn't funny, it's a funny line, delivered a beautiful.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
And that was the reverend's breaking point because he realized, oh,
they lied to me also.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
And then the cont Then then Mary gets that moment
and I'm sorry, I'm speeding us along because we need
to button this up. But so we're speeding along and
we get back to the school yard. Bubba steals the tablet,
he takes the marbles and I think that's where No,
he takes the tablet, and Mary stands up for the front.
We are not going to We're not going to crawl

(49:27):
to you anymore. Uh, it's time to stand up for
what was to Mary. By the way, So Mary is
the voice of this is all going to turn now.
And it happens in the school yard. Go talk to
your paw. My brother's taught him how to belly crawl.
And then and then they fight.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
She wags him. I think she wax him with her
lunch pail, which.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
She's done before. Mary and the metal lunch pail.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
It's like we got to save the manicures.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Between Mary and the metal lunch pail.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
It's like I was I actually had to actually rebound
it and watch it again because I was like, did
she just smack him with the lunchmill.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Down? He went down pretty hard. Yes, he did go down.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
That's what happens. Then they get into it around he's
beating up a girl again.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Everyone waits. They wait because again Laura and Mary are
in charge. Laura and Mary are the defenders. They wait.
Maybe Laura and Mary have got it, Laura's him, and
maybe she's got it. They don't.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Okay, So how so at the end of act three,
we're saying we're seeing the children where the adults can't
do it yet, although Pa has started this process, but
the children have said, we're going to stand together and
we're going to We're going to handle this. And this
is the powerful This is anybody watching this, this is

(50:52):
the powerful allegorical moment. Yes, for everybody to see that
it's time to stand up together and be counted.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
There are of you right right, and the power and
numbers absolutely.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
The Mary says we have to stand together. If you
stand together or no, Pas says, is it pays or
is it Ma who says Mary, if you stand together,
you don't have to be Mary says it, If you
stand together, you don't have to be afraid.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Yes, and again, like I said, it's very handsman made
tale where all the women finally come together and beat
the crowd out of the bad guy.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
And Laura should do maybe do my fighting for me.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
It's surprising to me as central a figure, as important
a figure as Laura is in the crafting of these stories,
and she has many wonderful moments throughout the life of
the series, obviously, but Mary is the rock strand she
is and there is no moral ambiguity or doubt in Mary.

(52:08):
She knows what's right and wrong. We call her, you know,
we've called her a narc, we've called her, you know,
we've been all these things we've said about her. But
there's no question that Mary knows right from wrong.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Yeah, yes, and she has a strang they.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Her she will say what's right and wrong.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
And you know, Laura again, she's very much a little
girl in this episode. But you know, after he beats
the crap out of Mary and gives her this horrific
purple swollen eye, you know they're in bed going to
bed that night, and Laura's going, hey, maybe we'll find
a frog and put it down his shirt. That'll teach him.
And it's like, oh, honey, you are you are out

(52:48):
of your depths. Honey, this is not this is not
pee weee. This is this is the big time. Yeah,
the classic frog down the shirt and move. No, it's
not going to work this time.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Now head into the the an ultimate or the the
final moment of this. And this is where I think.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
They whift interesting. Tell me, talk to me about it
in church.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
I mean, if this is the moment where you're going
to you're they're being called out in front of the
town and all that happens is I mean for Dab's Greer,
and I get why it needed to happen this way.
For Dab's Grear was in no way a menacing presence.
The idea that Dab's Greer could take Jeffrey Lewis or

(53:38):
take Sam Gallander by the by the and slam them
up against a wall, hands right, that and that's all
it took. And then you know, then then then mister
Edwards grabs George and pins him back, and that's all
they need to say. All right, we'll leave town. I

(54:01):
just sort of have the feeling that the resolve on
this is going to be much more to really make
this happen. The resolve on this is not just a
twisted arm and and a hard grab. There's something else
that needs to happen here. And well, this is very
surprising to me that this ended like this.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
I kind of got because, Okay, if they have no sheriff,
I would have been can somebody go to man and
get the freaking.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
I know there's no police in a walnut growth, right,
they are their own police.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Someone should have been riding to man Caada to get
a sheriff. But okay, apparently the reverend Alden like wrestled
in college or something like what where did that come from?
The suddenly got a guy up against him? Well apparently
because he's suddenly a bouncer and he's got a guy
against your curricular activity? Did he where did he learn

(54:50):
to do that?

Speaker 5 (54:50):
Where did he learn.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
To do that? It's counter to everything he has ship I.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Know, but as a viewer, it is freaking sad. Is fying?
Do you feel like it was no satisfying the whole time?
You're going Reverend I know you're a good man. I
know you're a good Christian. I know you're doing exactly
what you're supposed to be doing. But come on, come on,
and you're just waiting for it. And so when he
finally does, I mean, sure is would that have happened

(55:19):
in reality? No? No, But as the viewer, it is
so satisfying that the reverend is finally like putting down
setting the boundary.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Like words, he starts with, we let's talk about heaven
and hell, and hell has a purpose and uh, the noble,
it's noble to turn the other cheek. But when the
devil is in our midst that's it.

Speaker 5 (55:43):
He goes, that's it.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
And George says, are you slurring my brothers? Uh, we're
a town in the community. And that's when Reverend Alden.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Which is a ballsy move that right in Reveren's face,
he goes, are you talking to me?

Speaker 2 (55:58):
The man in the community is right there. Everyone know
these guys took a chance even coming to church. It's
amazing that they.

Speaker 5 (56:04):
Came to church.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
I thought it was kind of work because one of
the running premises was these guys are craven, miserable cowards.
Look who they go after they try to scare missus
on the bass. They attacking a woman, Bubba beating up girls.
Do you see Bubba beating up at the boys? To
Bubba beat up a single boy?

Speaker 2 (56:20):
You know he didn't.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Boy. These guys are miserable, craven, little cowards.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Now they beat the hell out of Paw, which was some,
but they teamed up to do it.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
And they even said, hey, this is a great town.
These god fearing people like easy pickens. Easy pickens. So
the idea when they got to church, they were outnumbered.
They were vastly outnumbered, but there were actual men. They
were almost like, none of these guys, you're going to
do it. And when everyone stood up, they went, oh,
grab outnumbered and they didn't.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Want to grif the grift is over, basically grin.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
And that's what I took number.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
That's what I took about it, too, is that they
knew the gript is there nothing more they could do
in that town?

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Because the and I like the reverend because then you
got it's a weird sublime thing. Wait, you mean the
reverend has been physically capable of taking people down and
put them against them all and breaking arms. The Reverend
Alden had that like ace hidden all this time just
because it wasn't because he's so good well, and because

(57:19):
it was a choice a physically powerful man and has
chosen to be a brat when he could have beat
the grap out of the whole time.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Wow, wow, yes, yes, which is why he's such a
good man. And also just can we just reiterate, like
even just what the reverend said in the church, like
that we are a community, right, just those things that
I think the strongest theme of Little House in the
prairie's community. Community, community, And this is just such a
beautiful example, albeit turned violent, but that example of the

(57:51):
community is what matters. The community is what comes together
to defeat evil.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Right.

Speaker 7 (57:57):
And then the last scene listening to me makers out of.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Town singing onwards, the same song that we sang as
a community as we marched out of town for the
last time at the end of the last farewell yep,
and Carolyn, I just think that's a really interesting choice.

Speaker 5 (58:18):
And he tells Carolyn to lead the lady.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
That's that's Carolyn's comeback, Carolyn, you lead the women in
singing on Christians. So that's her moment to go, Okay,
I can't beat them up for this. The guys, I
get to lead the women and singing the anthem as
we take them out.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
They only had two songs that they sang for sure, soldiers,
bringing in.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
The bringing, bring the bills of Heaven, right.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Okay, But that wasn't as much. That wasn't as much
as the other two. The top two hits were on
Christian Shoulders or bringing in the shees. And you're not
going to sing bringing in the sheaves when.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Virtually identical all of them. There was more compression. There
was more compression on this one. It was a tighter shot.
The people filled the frame more. The last farewell shot
is a wider shot. You see the deeper line of
people coming through town, but it's essentially the same idea. Yes,

(59:18):
visual Was it a callback?

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Was it a callback to this episode? The theme of
running the bullies out of town? Was it like late?

Speaker 2 (59:25):
I mean, they needed to, you know, in the end,
it needed to be leading Nathan Lassiter out of town
in the last farewell. But of course they'd already made
their decision about how they were going to handle this.
It was over, so but I was really struck by
that moment. The song and that shot.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
So you felt let down by the end of this episode.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
I did because I didn't feel like these guys got
really what was coming to them.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
I mean, they should be in prison.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
I feel to another town and do it again.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
You're right, And I didn't go to Mankato.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Get I mean, I'm just all the women. They're going
to be beating their gets.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Right between there and Mankato and the shriff. Bob watches
he kind of liked and he went, oh, oh, it's brother,
where aren't they They're running them out on the rail. Okay,
I like, did they have a rail? It's like that scene.
I get it. So he saw you went okay, like
he kind of got it. But yeah, I mean, what
there's a sheriff in Mancata. They could have come the sheriff,
the ship, the town.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
But they handle themselves. They were maybe their march.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Maybe they're marching into the nearest wagon and taking them
to Marcato to the jail.

Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
To they do.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Let's assume that that's what's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
We can hope that that's what they did. Yes, yeah,
we can hope that that's what they did. I think
it would have been more satisfying for the audience. If
in fact we've seen the clang of the door and
the and the prison wagon.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Drive off, you wanted to see that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
I want them to get what's coming to them, because
I think that's really important today I do too more
operating this way. Need to get what's coming to that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
That's right, that's right, that's right. Consequences, There need to
be consequences.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
These were consequences, but it was consequences light in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
That's why. You know, do you remember that it went
viral that video a couple of months ago of the
people that were having an affair at the Coldplay up
at the Cold Concert and the big jumbo screen Cotham
and they you know, and then you know the the internet.
When correct, I mean this thing when crazy and the

(01:01:39):
guy got fired, Like the whole thing just exploded on them.
And I was like, why why did this thing exploded?
Like why are people going so crazy? And I firmly
believe it's because we are seeking bad guys to get
some sort of repercussion, right, It's it's we don't see

(01:02:00):
it at all or very rarely so when the bad
guy is actually caught and actually consequences happens. People are
going berserk over it, and I know that's why that
thing went via.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Mad about it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Interesting to me, and we need to wrap this up, Pamela.
But but it'll be interesting to me to see what
kind of reaction people have to putting this kind of
a microscope on this episode. It's just I think it's
very powerful as a as a as a looking at

(01:02:38):
the world prescient episode. I'm so glad i'd seen a
clip of this episode like three weeks ago, the scene
where Mary says, We're not going to coward you anymore,
but we have to do this episode. I didn't know
anything else about the episode. I've never seen. Oh, this
is one that I had never seen before. So I

(01:03:00):
so this was a first time viewing in totality for
me last night at at eleven o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Oh my gosh, oh bless you so wow.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
So there we go. I but no, I think a
very important episode. It could have been stronger, in my opinion,
but the point was made.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
And you know what, I think that and that's it exactly.
I mean, there's a simplicity in these stories, even though
they can be also very complex, but the simplicity of
this is right, this is wrong, this is justice, this
is simple, this is simple, and so that it might
not have been fully satisfying to the extent that it

(01:03:41):
could have gone, but the simplicity of the bad guys
got what they deserved at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Right, Yes, bad guys should get what they deserve at
the end. I think that's what we come you know,
that's that should be the clear message in this.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
And the only way that happens is if everyone comes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
To people stand end up and be counted in this
and have some sort of cohesive, universal moment of clarity
that is undeniable, and that's how it gets fixed. That's good.
Let's say good night.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
Well, I've never seen more woman beating in any television.
It's shocking. It's still shocking when I think of this episode,
and then when I rewatch it, it's like, holy moly,
they actually went there. Anyway, we're all okay. Now that
we're all okay, he was a very nice that's good
to know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
I'm glad to know he was a nice boy, because
he was a wonderful good at this.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
He's really good. He's really good. And you know, let's
also pretend that he got away from those brothers and
he ended up having a lovely life.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Maybe this was the moment, or he was permanently poisoned
by this and his life was a complete disaster, and
that sort of feels more like where this goes first.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Maybe this was the turning point. You guys are idiots.
You got run off by a preacher in these people.
I'm done. I'm done with you this, this whole life,
this whole scam of yours, clearly does not work. I'm
out and like bales because they're not nice now, they're
not nice.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
To We didn't see any end if was there any
I just didn't see visually. Was there any indication that
zero zip?

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
I mean the indication is he screwed for the rest
of his life. And yeah, but that's what.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
They're horrible to him. He could at some point to
you guys, are even nice to me, make me do
the dishes a leave.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
Maybe he still hits women so you know, not want wah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Anyway, that's our show.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Thank you guys for being with us this week. Once again.
You can check us out on Little House fifty podcast
dot com or our socials Little House fifty Podcast. Everything's
going to be in the show Notes, Join us next time.
It's time Bob, get the wag, let's lie down the hill.
Get the Gallanders out of here, running down the hill.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
The glinders, we're just chasing me down the hill.

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